Who / What / Where Game

[Buddahaid]

Not the A-12 or XF-104.

[Jimbuna]

Larger dimensionally than the 104?

[Buddahaid]

Difficult to answer as it is in some dimensions but not in others. Generally about the same.

[u crank]

So a prototype. Did it ever actually fly?

[Buddahaid]

Not in the version shown.

[Jimbuna]

Ah, okay. I was thinking of a largish bomber.

[u crank]

Was it intended to be a combat aircraft?

[Catfish]

Is it a jet at all?

[Buddahaid]

Was it intended to be a combat aircraft?

Yes as conceived.

[Buddahaid]

Is it a jet at all?

It was a jet but the picture shows it without the engine for NACA wind tunnel testing.

[Aktungbby]

trycycle gear?

[Buddahaid]

trycycle gear?

Yes.

[Jimbuna]

McDonnell XF-85 Goblin?

[Buddahaid]

McDonnell XF-85 Goblin?

Not that one and not intended for air launch. Close to the same era though.

[Jimbuna]

Yeah, I noticed after I posted that one was 48 or 49.

[Buddahaid]

Yeah, I noticed after I posted that one was 48 or 49.

The proposal was soon after VE day.

[Aktungbby]

The plane Richard Ira Bong flew? and tried to bail out of....
variant EF-80? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/EF-80.jpg/1280px-EF-80.jpg

[Buddahaid]

No mention of Bong but of another recently deceased figure.

[Aktungbby]

the Wright Stuff!?:D Convair XP-92 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Convair_XP-92_mockup.jpghttps://c8.alamy.com/comp/BTJHB4/chuck-yeager-with-a-convair-xf-29a-plane-during-flight-test-operations-BTJHB4.jpg the key was the juxta position of the AF logo to the cockpit....and my post on the recent death of Chuck Yeager.:Kaleun_Salute:

[Buddahaid]

Bingo. This one posed as much challenge to answer the questions as figure out. I hope I didn't get anything wrong.

[Aktungbby]

Well after staying up half the night studying every prototype trycycle jet of the '40's-50's...and using the last of my collectible Pervetin tablets...:wah: WHAT's this? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11768

[mapuc]

First thing that came into my mind was the sci-fi movie Star Trek First contact.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

First thing that came into my mind was the sci-fi movie Star Trek First contact.

Markus

I'm trying to visualize that. :hmmm:

First this I thought of was a jet exhaust but instead I'm going to guess some type of wind tunnel.

[mapuc]

I'm trying to visualize that. :hmmm:

First this I thought of was a jet exhaust but instead I'm going to guess some type of wind tunnel.

Could also be an afterburner on a jet.

Will be interesting to know the answer.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

I'm trying to visualize that. :hmmm:

First this I thought of was a jet exhaust but instead I'm going to guess some type of wind tunnel. Damn! You're right on!:yep:

Could also be an afterburner on a jet.

Will be interesting to know the answer.

Markus Of course it will be interesting...that's what this thread is all about!:arrgh!: :O:

[skidman]

NASA?

[Aktungbby]

Not NASA: BIG HINT Similar in one important aspect to this:D https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11769 My bad: 2 aspects!

[skidman]

Owned by a commercial enterprise?

[Buddahaid]

Hypersonic?

[Aktungbby]

Owned by a commercial enterprise?YES

Hypersonic? no

[Buddahaid]

Not NASA: BIG HINT Similar in one important aspect to this:D https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11769 My bad: 2 aspects!

Time Tunnel
https://cdnmetv.metv.com/hNYbF-1460408583-315-lists-header.jpg

Is this wind tunnel in the US?

[Aktungbby]

Yes

[skidman]

Aviation industry?

[Aktungbby]

nope! https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11770 :D

[Catfish]

I initially thought of a missile launching silo, but it indeed is a wind tunnel?
The first quest picture does not look like the second at all :wah:

[Jimbuna]

General Motors wind tunnel?

https://soft.bashny.net/t/en/82611

[Aktungbby]

CORRECT! The big hint was the interior of the Hughes 'Spruce Goose"; both are the largest in the world, hollow/round, and the windtunnel blades on the the GM wind tunnel are Sitka spruce...and it is the world's largest windtunnel mostly used on cars. Here is a huge tunnel, in fact is a powerful automotive wind tunnel, which is equipped with fan blades with a diameter of 43 feet (13 m 1). Fan blades can be blown with air stream at 130 miles / hour (208 km / h). The blades are made of laminated spruce. The event was timed to coincide with the thirtieth anniversary of Aerodynamics Laboratory of General Motors, located in Warren, Michigan, USA. To date, this object is unique and the most powerful on the planet. Over to Jimbuna!:Kaleun_Salute: https://bashny.net/uploads/images/00/00/39/2013/08/18/7b412ce865.jpg

[Jimbuna]

What and where is this?

https://i.postimg.cc/htNPrHh8/klililio.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

in England?

[Buddahaid]

Is that a cowling over a Spandau MG?

[Jimbuna]

in England?

Afraid not.

[Jimbuna]

Is that a cowling over a Spandau MG?

Good guess, I see where your coming from but no, not a weapon.

[skidman]

Work of art?

[Buddahaid]

I've no idea where to go with this one. Is it a building as in people occupy it?

[Catfish]

Space related (rocket/module and such)?

[Eichhörnchen]

A fence?

[Jimbuna]

Work of art?

Some may consider it to be that but that was not the initial theme.

I've no idea where to go with this one. Is it a building as in people occupy it?

It is a building and people do occupy it but not on a residential basis.

[Jimbuna]

Space related (rocket/module and such)?

Space related yes but a building as mentioned earlier.

A fence?

Not a fence but a type of building that was or considered to be an icon.

[u crank]

Is it in America?

[Jimbuna]

Is it in America?

Not America

[Eichhörnchen]

NASA blimp hangar at Moffatt Airfield?

[Jimbuna]

Is it in America?

Not America

NASA blimp hangar at Moffatt Airfield?

Not all that far away though.

[u crank]

In Mexico?

[Catfish]

Or Canada? :D

[Jimbuna]

In Mexico?

Wrong direction :)

[Jimbuna]

Or Canada? :D

Yes :)

[Aktungbby]

Maritime Launch in Nova Scotia? TNX CatBBY 4 getting me to the promised land!:O:

[u crank]

Is it in Alberta?

[Jimbuna]

Maritime Launch in Nova Scotia? TNX CatBBY 4 getting me to the promised land!:O:

Afraid not, nothing maritime this time.

[Jimbuna]

Is it in Alberta?

No and I must humbly apologise because I have just realised it is in fact located in the USA :/\\!!:oops:

[u crank]

No and I must humbly apologise because I have just realised it is in fact located in the USA :/\\!!:oops:

:D

Is it in California?

[Catfish]

Some say California does not belong to the US :har:

[Jimbuna]

:D

Is it in California?

Double checking :)

No but by way of an apologetic clue, it is on the west coast.

[u crank]

Space Needle, Seattle, Washington?

[Jimbuna]

Space Needle, Seattle, Washington?

Spot on and thank god after that stupid mistake earlier :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Needle

https://i.postimg.cc/ydjC7TWr/Space-Needle-101-Where-Can-I-get-best-shots-from-ground.jpg (https://postimg.cc/5YXR3LBw)

Over to you Marcel :salute:

[Buddahaid]

I rode up it during the world's fair it was created for as a young boy of six years. All the futuristic constructions and displays made a big impressoon on me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_21_Exposition

[u crank]

Spot on and thank god after that stupid mistake earlier :)


We all do it.

OK then what would this be?

https://i.imgur.com/vQLjFWs.jpg?2

[Jimbuna]

A building?

[Buddahaid]

That metal pole doesn't look like any religious symbol I'm aware of.

Is this an outdoor work of art?

[u crank]

A building?

It is a building.

That metal pole doesn't look like any religious symbol I'm aware of.

Is this an outdoor work of art?

It is not art but a very unusual structure.

[Jimbuna]

Middle East?

[u crank]

Middle East?

No.

[Jimbuna]

Far East? :)

[Catfish]

Does it have technical purpose, or did an architect just wanted to become famous :D

[skidman]

Ex Soviet Union?

[u crank]

Far East? :)

No

Does it have technical purpose, or did an architect just wanted to become famous :D

It is a functioning structure. The architect drank a lot.:()1:

Ex Soviet Union?

Yes.

[Aktungbby]

UKraine?

[u crank]

UKraine?

No.

[Aktungbby]

Baltic states?

[u crank]

Baltic states?

No.

[skidman]

Pavilion of Cotton-Growing, Tashkent, Uzbekistan

[Buddahaid]

Good one but it doesn't look quite right to me, but hey, what have I got that's better. Nothing.

[u crank]

Pavilion of Cotton-Growing, Tashkent, Uzbekistan

Sorry no.

[skidman]

Central Research Institute of Robotics and Technical Cybernetics, Saint Petersburg

[Buddahaid]

:Kaleun_Salute::Kaleun_Cheers:

[u crank]

Central Research Institute of Robotics and Technical Cybernetics, Saint Petersburg

Correct. Not home right now so I will post pic later.

Over to you.

[skidman]

You are going to hate me. But answering your questions will be hard as well.

What's this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jlieiczjrd4plf4/ypctcas.png?raw=1

About 23h to go in the Daytona 24h, I'll be AFK unless there is a full-course caution.

[Catfish]

Is this the normal horizontal position of the object?

[skidman]

Yes it is.

(No. 81 Oreca LMP2 puncture after hitting the barriers in the international horseshoe and coming to a halt in the bus stop while limping home)

[d@rk51d3]

Venturi of some kind?

[skidman]

Nope.

[Aktungbby]

a tool ?

[skidman]

Yes.

(Stricken No. 52 Oreca LMP2 in turn 3 after collision with a LMP3 machine.)

[Catfish]

a burner? :hmmm:

[skidman]

No.

[Jimbuna]

My search is coming up with a bathtub spout :doh:

[skidman]

Well, it isn't a bathtub spout :03:

(No. 52 again, this time spun in the Western Horseshoe, turn 5)

[Jimbuna]

Used to extinguish small flames?

[u crank]

Is it used for food preparation?

[skidman]

Used to extinguish small flames?

afraid not

(Debris on the front straight, 10th full-course caution)

[skidman]

Is it used for food preparation?

Nope.

[u crank]

Is it used to dispense a liquid?

[Jimbuna]

Measuring device?

[skidman]

Is it used to dispense a liquid?

No, but a little bit of liquid is dispensed, when it is used.

(DPi No. 01, in third overall position, puncture @300 km/h on the banking, turn 7, holy moly)

[skidman]

Measuring device?

Nope.

[Jimbuna]

In current use?

[Aktungbby]

No, but a little bit of liquid is dispensed, when it is used.
a lubricant of some sort?

[u crank]

Is it an exhaust pipe?

[skidman]

In current use?

Yes.

[skidman]

a lubricant of some sort?

Not a lubricant.

[skidman]

Is it an exhaust pipe?

No it isn't.

[Aktungbby]

is used in conjunction with a heat source?

[skidman]

No, it is used in conjunction with a sharp knife. :03:

[Aktungbby]

in the kitchen?

[Buddahaid]

in the kitchen?

Not used for food preparation.

[Aktungbby]

a specialized knife or any run of the mill sharp knife?

[skidman]

in the kitchen?

Hopefully not in the kitchen.

[skidman]

a specialized knife or any run of the mill sharp knife?

A wide variety of knifes. The sharper the better.

[Aktungbby]

for cutting organic matter?

[skidman]

Oh yes.

[Aktungbby]

Is it open at both ends?

[Catfish]

Some shredder, hmm. But if for meat, it is not used in a kitchen as you said :hmmm:
For cutting plant material? Wood/Branch shredder?

[Aktungbby]

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Victoria_Sandilands/publication/269101452/figure/fig3/AS:614307175874584@1523473652485/Example-of-a-killing-cone-where-the-neck-clamp-bar-stops-with-about-10-mm-to-spare-to.png poultry killing cone?

[skidman]

Is it open at both ends?


It is.

[skidman]

Some shredder, hmm. But if for meat, it is not used in a kitchen as you said :hmmm:
For cutting plant material? Wood/Branch shredder?


Not a shredder and not for plant material, sorry.

[skidman]

poultry killing cone?


No. Less deadly. :D

[Jimbuna]

A circumcision/castration tool for sheep, cattle or horses?

[Catfish]

Some sausage-making device?

[skidman]

A circumcision/castration tool for sheep, cattle or horses?


Yes, but not for sheep, not for cattle and not for horses :D

[skidman]

Some sausage-making device?


It is somehow involved in the process of sausage making. :D

[Catfish]

Looking back at Jim's and my last posts .. :oops:

An intestine/guts cutter. Does something like this even exist :hmmm:

[u crank]

It is somehow involved in the process of sausage making. :D

:har:

Piglet Castration Device?

[skidman]

Spot on :up:


https://5.imimg.com/data5/NY/MG/BL/SELLER-3883353/pig-castration-tool-500x500.jpg


For Yorkshire pigs. And I'm not gonna post a picture with the piglet in it.


Over to u_crank. :salute:

[Jimbuna]

:har:

Piglet Castration Device?

Bleedin pickpocket! :nope:




:O:

[u crank]

For Yorkshire pigs. And I'm not gonna post a picture with the piglet in it.


Thank you.:O:

Ok then what would this be?

https://i.imgur.com/kN520k6.jpg?1

[Jimbuna]

A motor vehicle?

[u crank]

A motor vehicle?

No.

[Jimbuna]

Jukebox?

[Aktungbby]

Is this the normal horizontal position of the object?

Yes it is.


a specialized knife or any run of the mill sharp knife? Scalpel appears more likely

Spot on :up:


https://5.imimg.com/data5/NY/MG/BL/SELLER-3883353/pig-castration-tool-500x500.jpg


For Yorkshire pigs. And I'm not gonna post a picture with the piglet in it.


Over to u_crank. :salute: Well I am! Horizontal is not its 'normal postion' and i looked at a lotta sheep and pig castration; never getting much past ball cutting pliers https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61sIx1O5ZXL._AC_SL1001_.jpg Twixt U crank's salt water issue, Jimbo's geography, and Skid's difference between horizontal and vertical normalcy, we gotta have spot-on answers!:doh: ...and I'll never let my wife see this gizmo!:O::/\\chop:Kaleun_Mad:

[Buddahaid]

Scalpel appears more likely

Well I am! Horizontal is not its 'normal postion' and i looked at a lotta sheep and pig castration; never getting much past ball cutting pliers https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61sIx1O5ZXL._AC_SL1001_.jpg Twixt U crank's salt water issue, Jimbo's geography, and Skid's difference between horizontal and vertical normalcy, we gotta have spot-on answers!:doh: ...and I'll never let my wife see this gizmo!:O::/\\chop:Kaleun_Mad:



Too late. Erosion as set in over all the years.....

[skidman]

Scalpel appears more likely

Well I am! Horizontal is not its 'normal postion' and i looked at a lotta sheep and pig castration; never getting much past ball cutting pliers https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61sIx1O5ZXL._AC_SL1001_.jpg Twixt U crank's salt water issue, Jimbo's geography, and Skid's difference between horizontal and vertical normalcy, we gotta have spot-on answers!:doh: ...and I'll never let my wife see this gizmo!:O::/\\chop:Kaleun_Mad:



Sorry Aktung,
I've seen this (or a very similar) device in operation twice. And it looked more or less like this:

http://www.depts.ttu.edu/animalwelfare/research/pigcastration/pigcastration.jpeg
http://qpc.adm.slu.se/5_Entire_Male_Pigs/images/pic003.jpg

I didn't realize the piglet can be pivoted into vertikal position. Maybe this is the modus operandi for very tall farmers, or a special cutting technique (3-60-horizontal-nutscrew?). And I've seen farmers using small skinner like hunting knifes and even kitchen knifes for the procedure (admittedly some 20 years ago). Maybe a scalpel these days is the mandated tool of the trade.:hmmm:

So, sorry again. Didn't mean to lead you astray.:oops:

[skidman]

Thank you.:O:

Ok then what would this be?

https://i.imgur.com/kN520k6.jpg?1

A fermenter?

[u crank]

A fermenter?

No.

[Aktungbby]

Sorry Aktung,
So, sorry again. Didn't mean to lead you astray.:oops: No worry! U can lead me astray anytime BBY!https://i.pinimg.com/564x/af/d1/38/afd13819ce7183d9eaa1e4790ddf6265.jpg Thanks fer shoating me that; it makes fer a less boaring lockdown!:shucks: @ U crank: is this item near salt water?

[Jimbuna]

Jukebox?

?????

[u crank]

?????

Sorry Jim I missed that post. Not a jukebox.

[Jimbuna]

No problem.

Is it energy/power related?

[u crank]

No problem.

Is it energy/power related?

No but it could be operated manually (human power) or by electric motor.

[Aktungbby]

a Bicycle?

[u crank]

a Bicycle?

No.

[Aktungbby]

If on electricity: plugged in or batteries?

[Buddahaid]

Farm equipment?

[u crank]

If on electricity: plugged in or batteries?

Electric motor plugged in.

Farm equipment?

It could be used on a farm.

[Jimbuna]

Suction pump?

[Buddahaid]

Coffee grinder?

[u crank]

Suction pump?

Coffee grinder?

No and no.

[Aktungbby]

is it a household tool?

[u crank]

is it a household tool?

No.

[Buddahaid]

Is it a butter churn?

[u crank]

Is it a butter churn?

No but you are on the right track.

[Jimbuna]

Poultry feeder?

[u crank]

Poultry feeder?

No.

[Buddahaid]

A cheese vat and agitator?

[u crank]

A cheese vat and agitator?

No.

[Aktungbby]

is it used on a dairy farm?

[u crank]

is it used on a dairy farm?

Yes. That is where I saw it used.

[Aktungbby]

is it used with bovine lactation products?:D

[u crank]

is it used with bovine lactation products?:D

Speak English for cryin' out loud.:O:

Yes it is.

[Aktungbby]

Speak English for cryin' out loud.:O:

Yes it is.U can blame Stormin' Norman Schwartzkoff of Iraqi War fame: his expression, 'Bovine Scatology', during a televised briefing, still resonates! :Kaleun_Salute: Does the gizmo provide suction to the milking machine(s)? Possibly a 'single cow' milking machine https://mittysupply.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/TEK1-PS-TCK1-PS-600x400.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Vacuum Pump For Cow Milking?

[u crank]

Does the gizmo provide suction to the milking machine(s)? Possibly a 'single cow' milking machine

Vacuum Pump For Cow Milking?

Not for milking cows.

[Aktungbby]

Is cow milk poured into it? ...At least I've led Jimbo to the 'promised Barnyard'!:O:

[u crank]

Is cow milk poured into it?

Yes.

[Jimbuna]

An animal feeder/blender?

[Catfish]

A device for heating/pasteurising?

[u crank]

An animal feeder/blender?

A device for heating/pasteurising?

No and no.

[Jimbuna]

Milk filter?

[Catfish]

Milk sampling device?

[u crank]

Milk filter?

Milk sampling device?

No to both.

Hint. This device uses a basic principal in Newtonian mechanics.

I've always wanted to say that. :D

[Catfish]

You said it was not a butter churn :hmmm:

Centrifugal separator? Cream/skimmed milk and such?

[u crank]

Centrifugal separator? Cream/skimmed milk and such?

We have a winner!

https://i.imgur.com/DUvC2jW.jpg?1

My grandmother had one of these on her farm. My uncle ran the farm. This would have been in the late 50's and early 60's. They still milked cows by hand and separated the raw milk into cream and skim milk. The cream was sold to the local dairy to make butter.

My aunt Mary turned this thing. She was blind and this was a way that she could contribute to farm chores. When that upper container was full of milk it took a lot of muscle to get it spinning fast enough. I was always nice to her.:D

Over to you Catfish. :salute:

[Catfish]

:/\\!! I remember such a device from an exhibition, but it looked somehow different
:oops:

[Catfish]

oookay, what is that?

https://i.imgur.com/gUjTP9Jm.jpg

[u crank]

I couldn't find a picture of the one my grandmother had. It was a deep red color. But the same idea.

^^^ Is it broken?

[Catfish]

^ yes

[skidman]

Vers nice milk riddle! My grandma used to be a milkmaid in Pomerania (one of the big manors) and told me she had to turn the crank on a similar device. She had upper arms like a wrestler.

Hm. The joint tells me there is a lot of pressure on this thing. Water or a combustible gas? I say gas.

[Catfish]

Vers nice milk riddle! My grandma used to be a milkmaid in Pomerania (one of the big manors) and told me she had to turn the crank on a similar device. She had upper arms like a wrestler.
Yes nice one by u crank :)
Water or a combustible gas?
Yes :O:

okok, gas.

[skidman]

Natural (domestic) gas?

[Catfish]

not domestic. I do not think this exists in a "natural" environment anywhere.
Something tells me you already have it lol

[skidman]

A radioactive gas?

[Aktungbby]

Is cow milk poured into it? ...At least I've led Jimbo to the 'promised Barnyard'!:O:

My grandmother had one of these on her farm.
I couldn't find a picture of the one my grandmother had. It was a deep red color.
Vers nice milk riddle! My grandma used to be a milkmaid in Pomerania clearly a case of
multigenerational conspiratory Bovine lactation...I never stood a chance:wah::O: Is that a ruptured gas main joint?

[Catfish]

@Skidman: Not radioactive

@AktungBby: ruptured, destroyed, yes. "gas main joint" :hmmm: not part of a pipeline, if you mean that

[skidman]

In a power station?

[Buddahaid]

Is this related to SpaceX?

[Catfish]

@Skidman: Not a power station, mobile.

@Buddhaid: "In a way", yes. Not directly.

[u crank]

Does the object in photo come from a famous incident?

[Catfish]

I would not say so.

[Jimbuna]

Gas turbine from a drilling rid?

[Catfish]

^ this is a clever idea and almost looks like it, but no.

[Jimbuna]

A pump?

[Catfish]

No.. not this part. A very special pump is involved somewhere else.
Better follow the Buddha(id) ..

[Jimbuna]

So part of a space rocket of some kind?

[Catfish]

Umm, yes and no. 'Of some kind', yes.

big hint(s):
It has quite an infamous history.. The man who invented the part shown, and his wife, have been killed by a mythical serpent.. not literally of course :03:

[skidman]

Rocket car?

[Aktungbby]

big hint(s):
It has quite an infamous history.. The man who invented the part shown, and his wife, have been killed by a mythical serpent.. not literally of course :03:Jormungund?:D

[Jimbuna]

Orpheus?

[Eichhörnchen]

Is this from science fiction?

[Catfish]

ok.. sorry for being late, but the magazine data have finally been transferred :rock:


@Skidman: Not a r... car. More simple, just remove the word "car".:D

@Aktungbby: WTH is "Jormungund" edit: Manga :o. Manga?! :doh: No.

@JimBuna: not from Orpheus (if you mean the comedy by Jacques Offenbach?), nothing to do with this name. This one is real. The people being killed are also real. The name of this mythical beast has something to do with the killing, but it is far fetched and does not really help here. The name of this man is not as famous as others, who worked on the design.

@Eichhörnchen: Not SF, it is real.

Hint:
As said before its history is mostly 'infamous' and gruesome.

[Buddahaid]

Part of a V2 weapon?

[Catfish]

Yes! Finally :up:
But which part? (approximately, not exact name)

Bit of explanation, the scientist who developed this part was killed in an aerial raid on Peenemuende by bombs, during british operation "Hydra" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Hydra_(1943)) (named by the multi-headed mythical serpent). It was not until this invention that the A4 (Aggregat 4) began to fly as intended.

[Aktungbby]

Jormungund?:D another name for the Norse serpent Midgard that encicles the eart...U had once posted the German equivalent for Thor and the Hindu elephant God, so I figured U'd know this!:hmmm: Walter Thiel's annular ring guidance flow mechanism for V2's?

[Catfish]

This norse serpent.. ok now i see .. no, i did not know this. I meant the Hydra..

Yes, Mr. Thiel was the one who invented this mechanism, but "annular ring guidance"? No idea what you mean ..
The mechanism shown is almost the same as used in the Saturn V and now SpaceX rockets, certainly with some changes.

[Aktungbby]

Ah ok, now i see .. no, i did not know this. look again:O:

[Catfish]

If Buddahaid does not show up here after he (almost) nailed it i'd like at least the name of the part shown, or what's it for :O:
"Annular ring guidance" does not seem to be the right name. What do you mean by this?

[Aktungbby]

https://v2rockethistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/3D-CAD-modeling-the-V2-rocket-turbopump-678x319.jpg https://v2rockethistory.com/3d-modelling-v2-rocket-turbo-pump/ Dr. Thiel's development of the 25 ton rocket motor relied on pump feeding, rather than on the earlier pressure feeding. The motor used centrifugal injection, while using both regenerative cooling and film cooling. Film cooling admitted alcohol into the combustion chamber and exhaust nozzle under slight pressure through four rings of small perforations. The mushroom-shaped injection head was removed from the combustion chamber to a mixing chamber, the combustion chamber was made more spherical while being shortened from 6 to 1 foot in length, and the connection to the nozzle was made cone shaped. The resultant 1.5 ton chamber operated at a combustion pressure of 220 pounds per square inch. Thiel's 1.5 ton chamber was then scaled up to a 4.5 ton motor by arranging three injection heads above the combustion chamber. By 1939, eighteen injection heads in two concentric circles at the head of the 0.12-inch thick sheet-steel chamber, were used to make the 25 ton motor.[11]:52–55[28] Or the injector pot https://v2rockethistory.com/wp-content/grand-media/image/Pot_and_LOX_2.jpg If Buddahaid does not show up here after he (almost) nailed it i'd like at least the name of the part shown, or what's it for BuddhaBBy won't care so long as the Linda Vista Continuum prevails!:arrgh!:

[Catfish]

Ok I guess that's exact enough :up: Sorry Budddhaid :salute:

"By 1939, eighteen injection heads in two concentric circles at the head of the 0.12-inch thick sheet-steel chamber, were used to make the 25 ton motor."

https://i.imgur.com/4x1HQ5Ql.jpg

That is the main invention, apart from the turbo pump (located elsewhere and not shown in the picture).
The photo shows two ruined injection heads in the former "Brennkammer"/ combustion chamber (ruined due to a 'Flammabriss'/flame-cutoff and the following crash). So it is part of the "18-pot combustion chamber" of the A4.

A single injection head

https://i.imgur.com/MJPmlGOl.jpg

The idea was to keep the the flame and fireball away from the atomizers (lose direct contact), to keep them cool enough and not melt, having the latter cooled by alcohol before it ignited in the burning chamber (the chamber also simply called Ofen, or 'oven').
Before this, the nozzles and atomizer jets often gave in under the heat.
After this change, the burning chamber was kept cool enough for a long time of propulsion, under full load.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://museum-peenemuende.de/zeitreise/raketenantrieb/

Interesting enough, the turbo pump used in the SpaceX 'Falcon 9' looks almost the same as the one used in the A4

https://physik.cosmos-indirekt.de/Physik-Schule/Datei:A4-Turbopumpe.jpg

The A4 was the first man-made rocket that was able to rise above earth's atmosphere up to appx 106 kilometers in a vertical test 'shot', still during the war. There were lot of people involved in developing this rocket, and especially its liquid fuel drive. This was much more complicated than a 'booster' rocket with solid fuel, but had the advantage to be able to be regulated (fuel consisting of alcohol mixed with water, and liquid oxygen ("LOx"). Space X still uses Methanol and LOx thrusters. Also the bell-shaped thrusters used in the Saturn V are not very far from the initial A4 design).

The development and use of the A4 (=Aggregat 4) - (called V2 (=Vergeltungswaffe/'revenge weapon') by propaganda minister Goebbels) cost the most civilian lives ever caused by a single weapon type - apart from the atom bomb.
It was not only the belligerent use against London, Antwerpen and other targets, but some 50,000 civilian concentration camp prisoners died to produce this rocket. There were more than 3000 built, after the raid on Peenemünde production was transferred to the infamous "Mittelwerk", a hidden cave-like underground production facility.

The initial idea of Hermann Oberth was to invent a rocket that could leave the earth's atmosphere. He had read the Jules Verne books about reaching the moon, and soon found out that the method Verne had proposed would not work.
After serving in WW1, being wounded, then working as a paramedic, he had the idea that a rocket would be the ultimate weapon to stop all wars.
If an unstoppable rocket could reach the government of an aggressive nation in no time, all wars would be futile. In a way he was later proven right, with what was then called nuclear deterrence.
Wernher von Braun had been his scholar, at the university. Almost of the german rocket scientists later worked for the USA, developing the Redstone and later Saturn V rockets.

Over to Aktungbby.

[Buddahaid]

Sorry I was buried in conference calls. I need a couple of hours to post something I've already prepared. The continuum remains intact!

[Aktungbby]

Sorry I was buried in conference calls. I need a couple of hours to post something I've already prepared. The continuum remains intact! U think U've got problems! Elder abuse starts at 70. My drivers license is due 2 expire and as I'm turning 70, I've got to do the full monte in person tomorrow. Written test; eye test; thumbprint; and the license is to be a REALid suitable for boarding an aircraft....even though I've a passport booklet and passport card which is considered Federal 'real ID'. I need also to present the title to my house; a tax 1099; the passport card; and a vehicle or boat current registration (4 forms of ID) to get the damn license...just making the appointment on line was aggravating enough to a man of the 20th not the 21st century!! :Kaleun_Mad: all while winning at WWW!!??:O: talk about multitasking and goin' downtown to get the DMV driver handbook to prep for the test...:oops: Plus i wonder how much extra they charge for real ID over the $38.00 for a regular license I've had for 54 years:wah: rant ended.... Ill have something shortly.

[Buddahaid]

U think U've got problems! Elder abuse starts at 70. My drivers license is due 2 expire and as I'm turning 70, I've got to do the full monte in person tomorrow. Written test; eye test; thumbprint; and the license is to be a REALid suitable for boarding an aircraft....even though I've a passport booklet and passport card which is considered Federal 'real ID'. I need also to present the title to my house; a tax 1099; the passport card; and a vehicle or boat current registration (4 forms of ID) to get the damn license...just making the appointment on line was aggravating enough to a man of the 20th not the 21st century!! :Kaleun_Mad: all while winning at WWW!!??:O: talk about multitasking and goin' downtown to get the DMV driver handbook to prep for the test...:oops: Plus i wonder how much extra they charge for real ID over the $38.00 for a regular license I've had for 54 years:wah: rant ended.... Ill have something shortly.


Been there and you will also register to vote again, but hey, all the testing is done on computer terminals to weed out the relics..... :arrgh!:

[Buddahaid]

Okay then what is this thing?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/2668/JYwXIa.png

[Aktungbby]

does it fly?

[Catfish]

I see you changed the winner identity(?), ok if you are ok with it :)

A manned device?

[skidman]

A glider like the ME321?

[Buddahaid]

does it fly?

Oops my obvious mistake. I'll flip it back next time.

It does fly.

[Buddahaid]

I see you changed the winner identity(?), ok if you are ok with it :)

A manned device?

Yes, manned.

[Buddahaid]

A glider like the ME321?

Not a glider.

[skidman]

Pre WW2?

[Buddahaid]

Pre WW2?

Yes but not that variant.

[u crank]

Is this a combat aircraft?

[Buddahaid]

Yes it is.

[skidman]

US?

[Buddahaid]

US?

Not US.

[Catfish]

I guess not, but .. Fokker?

[Buddahaid]

I guess not, but .. Fokker?

Not a Fokker.

[Jimbuna]

Is this the tail end?

[Buddahaid]

Is this the tail end?

It's the nose end.

[Catfish]

edit saw it is the front end. Hmm.


Single seater?

[u crank]

Is it a sea/float plane?

[Buddahaid]

Is it a sea/float plane?

It could only "land" on water once. No not a sea or float plane.

[Jimbuna]

Fieseler Storch?

[Buddahaid]

Fieseler Storch?

Not STOL.

[Jimbuna]

German?

[Buddahaid]

Not German.

[Jimbuna]

Italian?

[Buddahaid]

Not Italian.

[Aktungbby]

German?

[Jimbuna]

German?

:haha: :har:

[Jimbuna]

In terms of WWII is it an allied country?

[Buddahaid]

Yes indeed.

[Catfish]

edit saw it is the front end. Hmm.

Single seater?

:hmmm: