Who / What / Where Game

[ikalugin]

Thanks. Wish there were 2 such games running at the same time, though I do see the point of not diluting the audience.

[u crank]

R3Y? Or is it one try only?

Not R3Y.

Is this guy with 2 fingers up coming out the door of the plane?

No he is not.

[Eichhörnchen]

Unusual for a 1950s plane, but looking at the angle of it, is it a tail-sitter?

[ikalugin]

Is it in any way related to the Holy Grail?

[u crank]

Unusual for a 1950s plane, but looking at the angle of it, is it a tail-sitter?

It is not.

Is it in any way related to the Holy Grail?


Not this baby. :O:

[ikalugin]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/W1-qbiMbUUk/maxresdefault.jpg
One wonders though if we did try all of the western planes of the time period yet.

[u crank]

One wonders though if we did try all of the western planes of the time period yet.

Who said western?

[Eichhörnchen]

Is the pilot with the digits famous, or just Joe Bloggs, pilot?

[ikalugin]

Doesn't look like a Soviet plane to me. The other major non Western aircraft builder would be Japan and China I guess.

The other western plane would be Nord Noratlas, but now I am just blindly guessing.

[u crank]

Is the pilot with the digits famous, or just Joe Bloggs, pilot?

Not the pilot.

[Eichhörnchen]

Is this person, who isn't the pilot, famous?

[u crank]

Doesn't look like a Soviet plane to me.

Oh, Ok....:D

[u crank]

Is this person, who isn't the pilot, famous?

No, just friendly.

[ikalugin]

Oh, Ok....:D
None that fit the time line criteria.

[Eichhörnchen]

4 engines?

[u crank]

None that fit the time line criteria.

I said came into service in early 50's. Didn't say when it went out of service.

4 engines?

Yes.

[ikalugin]

I said came into service in early 50's. Didn't say when it went out of service.
I have noticed, yet I still did not find any relevant planes that fit that criteria. This makes me sad.

The only 4 engine Soviet military transport that (I know of) went into (some sort of) service in early 1950s is Tu75. It ain't it.

[u crank]

Post # 2246.


Not a cargo aircraft.


I have noticed, yet I still did not find any relevant planes that fit that criteria. This makes me sad.

The only 4 engine Soviet military transport that (I know of) went into (some sort of) service in early 1950s is Tu75. It ain't it.

Not Tu75.

[ikalugin]

My bad, I thought you were refering to the C-1A not being a cargo aircraft and thus wrong.

[Oberon]

Tu-95? :hmmm:

[u crank]

Tu-95? :hmmm:

Finally. Tu-95RTs D to be exact. Aircrew waving to their NATO counterparts.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p759/marcelanthonypineau/tu-95_zpscbb32769.jpg (http://s1349.photobucket.com/user/marcelanthonypineau/media/tu-95_zpscbb32769.jpg.html)

Over to you Oberon. :salute:

[ikalugin]

First flight in 1962. (nor did any other Tu95 model enter the service in "early 50s") Better name would be RC really, because целеуказатель, though due to transliteration RT designation is used for some reason.
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/tu-95.htm

p.s. please check the information before posting it as a clue, as it could be misguiding.

[Oberon]

The Tu-95/I, with 2TV-2F engines, first flew 11 November 1952 with test pilot Alexey Perelet at the controls

:hmmm:

Anyway, I'll see what I can dig up. :up:

[ikalugin]

Not in service, nor was the RT in service in early 50s. Acceptance in the service - 1957, even if we count the the entire Tu95 series rather than the RT, thus the hint was plain wrong.

[u crank]

Not in service, nor was the RT in service in early 50s. Acceptance in the service - 1957, even if we count the the entire Tu95 series rather than the RT, thus the hint was plain wrong.

Yes you are right. I should have said first flown. On the other hand I was not looking for a specific variant, making Oberon's answer correct.

It's just a game.

[Oberon]

Moving on...

What is this from?

http://i.imgur.com/Mfl4yGr.jpg?1

[ikalugin]

Technically the hint is still wrong, as Tu95 was accepted into service in 1957. Unless 1957 is "early 50s" now.

It's just a game.
So posting misguiding hints is fine, ok. I am out of here then.

[Oberon]

Technically the hint is still wrong, as Tu95 was accepted into service in 1957. Unless 1957 is "early 50s" now.


So posting misguiding hints is fine, ok. I am out of here then.

Bye.

Ok, first clue.

It was built in the UK.

[u crank]

Technically the hint is still wrong, as Tu95 was accepted into service in 1957. Unless 1957 is "early 50s" now.

Technically I just admitted that. What do you want? A redo?


So posting misguiding hints is fine, ok. I am out of here then.Don't be so serious. It's still a game.

[u crank]

Is it used for drilling?

[Oberon]

Is it used for drilling?

Nope.

[Aktungbby]

Roman water screw on Nero's great ship

[Eichhörnchen]

It looks like some kind of Archimedean jobbie, so would it be for moving something along rather than drilling, as u crank asks?

[Oberon]

Roman water screw on Nero's great ship

Negative

It looks like some kind of Archimedean jobbie, so would it be for moving something along rather than drilling, as u crank asks?

Indeed it is.

[Eichhörnchen]

I am presuming a martial use for this?

[Aktungbby]

Irrigation for Hanging Gardens of Babylon(eureka eureka)

[Eichhörnchen]

Hey, that was a good one, Aktung...

[Oberon]

I am presuming a martial use for this?

Good question...it may have been indirectly used in a war effort, but not directly.

Irrigation for Hanging Gardens of Babylon(eureka eureka)

Nope

Hey, that was a good one, Aktung...

Indeed, but still wrong. :03:

[u crank]

Does it move a product or does it move the object it is attached to?

[Oberon]

Does it move a product or does it move the object it is attached to?

It moves a product, lots of them down the screw to the destination...and that then helps move the object that it is attached to.

[u crank]

Coal in a steam locomotive?

[Oberon]

Coal in a steam locomotive?

Indeed...but what steam locomotive? :03:

[Eichhörnchen]

D'you know, I was just about to say coal, but for excavating the stuff!

I've removed my next suggestion, which was too simplistic. This has now moved beyond my own General Knowledge, I'm afraid...

[u crank]

Indeed...but what steam locomotive? :03:

Stickler.:O:

[Oberon]

Stickler.:O:

Well, let's go over the clues.

It was made in the UK
It has seen wartime use

And another clue for you:

Although built in the UK, it was not made for any British railway.

[Eichhörnchen]

This won't get me far 'cos I have to go to bed, and u crank's probably only just finished his tea: it's India again, isn't it? Made here and shipped to India.

[Oberon]

This won't get me far 'cos I have to go to bed, and u crank's probably only just finished his tea: it's India again, isn't it? Made here and shipped to India.

Close but not the correct country I'm afraid.

Another clue...the picture itself was taken in the UK.

That should help you. :up:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Chinese KF 7, presently residing at York NRM?

[ikalugin]

So not lend lease ones, as only Canada ever built those for the USSR.

[Oberon]

Chinese KF 7, presently residing at York NRM?

Boom, on the money. :salute:

Figured one of the York boys would probably get that one. :haha:

http://i.imgur.com/jTXIWuL.jpg

The tender of the Chinese KF class locomotive at the NRM in York.

And here's the big beastie in all her glory:

http://i.imgur.com/ntItEeW.jpg

[Aktungbby]

Boom, on the money. :salute:

Figured one of the York boys would probably get that one.
Indeed! The 'worm has turned' :timeout:

[ikalugin]

Can we get one related to modern subs please?

[Oberon]

Can we get one related to modern subs please?

We had one a few turns ago. :yep:

[ikalugin]

I know that it is selfish of me, but I wasn't participating back then.

[Oberon]

I know that it is selfish of me, but I wasn't participating back then.

Well, we'll see what Herr B comes up with. :salute:

[ikalugin]

I hope it is better than cutting out the tiny bit of Severodvinsk picture I have linked :shifty:

[Jimbuna]

Bad day at the office eh?

[Herr-Berbunch]

http://i.imgur.com/08EkiCh.jpg

What is this? :hmmm:

[u crank]

It's a very modern sub.:D

Seabreacher X, the shark submarine?

[Betonov]

Shark gills.

Guessing great white.
Could be a bath toy :O:

[Jimbuna]

Killer whale?

[Herr-Berbunch]

Damnit u-crank, thought it'd last longer than one go. :/\\!!

http://i.imgur.com/gmEKvdN.jpg

[Jimbuna]

I thought he was joking :o

[u crank]

Damnit u-crank, thought it'd last longer than one go. :/\\!!


:haha: Sorry about that. Because of someone's request I had a feeling it would be sub related. Googled 'shark submarine' and there it was.

Non-sub one coming up.:O:

[u crank]

What is this?

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p759/marcelanthonypineau/7784d0ed-70b5-4944-a5ab-379a25101aae_zpsbc53568f.jpg (http://s1349.photobucket.com/user/marcelanthonypineau/media/7784d0ed-70b5-4944-a5ab-379a25101aae_zpsbc53568f.jpg.html)

[Eichhörnchen]

Is this weaponry?

[u crank]

No....but it can hurt you.

[Herr-Berbunch]

A turntable? For vinyl records, not trains.

[Eichhörnchen]

Those are little hard points all over, aren't they... I think it's a grinding-wheel on a power-tool.

[swamprat69er]

Bastard file

[u crank]

A turntable? For vinyl records, not trains.

Nope.

Those are little hard points all over, aren't they... I think it's a grinding-wheel on a power-tool.

Not mechanical.

[u crank]

Bastard file

Nope.

[Armistead]

are the points made of rubber or metal?

Some type of food shredder..

[u crank]

are the points made of rubber or metal?

Rubber.

[Eichhörnchen]

Is it a tool you hold in your hands?

[Aktungbby]

drill chuck knurl?

[u crank]

Is it a tool you hold in your hands?

drill chuck knurl?

Not a tool.

[Eichhörnchen]

Getting near my signing-off time again; is this a wheel-shape or a cylinder?


(PS/ As you're good at it, how about giving me another film title while you're waiting for Oberon to come crashing in with the answer, like he usually does?)

[u crank]

Getting near my signing-off time again; is this a wheel-shape or a cylinder?

This may give it away but it is a disk.

[Eichhörnchen]

Ah! Is it the focusing-wheel on a pair of binoculars?

[u crank]

Ah! Is it the adjusting-ring on a camera lens?

Sorry but no. It has no moving parts but moves when in use.

[Eichhörnchen]

That was my fault: I was busy changing my post when you replied. sorry!

Is it an ice-hockey puck?

[u crank]

No problem. :salute:

[u crank]

Is it an ice-hockey puck?

That's it . Nice job. You're up. :salute:

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p759/marcelanthonypineau/fedbccbf-e9c9-41fc-b25e-237ae03a7f12_zpsa1a73c0f.jpg (http://s1349.photobucket.com/user/marcelanthonypineau/media/fedbccbf-e9c9-41fc-b25e-237ae03a7f12_zpsa1a73c0f.jpg.html)

[Eichhörnchen]

That was pure guesswork: never seen one close up.

I just got up, so back fairly soon...

[Eichhörnchen]

http://i.imgur.com/2rvjC8f.png?1

(My next guess was going to be a discus)


This thing I don't know much about, so I've cropped it less severely in order to not still be here looking at it in a week's time.

[ikalugin]

I assume it is not a part of a plane with a jet engine?

[Eichhörnchen]

Your assumption is correct

[ikalugin]

Is it a snow blower/jet cannon (ie something using a jet engine for non transportation purposes)?

[Eichhörnchen]

Good guess but regrettably no. And I'm pretty certain this is not a jet...

[ikalugin]

I give up, because when I google "impeller driven zeppelin" and "impeller driven air cushion vessel" and "impeller driven aerosani" I get immages completely unrelated to those topics, eg:
http://gineistatic.com/w/images/b/b5/Alliancebattleship102(DVD-CA).jpg

[Eichhörnchen]

Do not give up, tovarich! If you abandon me I shall be left here talking to myself.

Perhaps a couple of clues: (a) it is clearly unmanned, looking at my reference photograph and (b) I would expect that this is a solitary mockup or prototype of something which did not go into production.

[ikalugin]

Well you could go to another thread :)

That said, my efforts here are futile if only for my failing google-fu, I should probably go and train in the mountains or something.

[Eichhörnchen]

The best way to play this game, Ivan, is to watch and wait while other people ask questions you might not have thought of. That way a picture gradually emerges, until BANG! Oberon appears suddenly, almost biblically, from the ether and delivers the answer, while the rest of us look on helplessly.

Maybe you'd better wait until some of those other so-and-so's come back: they're probably all off doing what I should be doing right now: some proper work...

Tell you what: why don't you think of an entry for my "Animal Film Club" while we're waiting?

[ikalugin]

Not into the animal related films, so can't help you there. Unless Gepard (akula class sub) counts as an animal or something.

[Eichhörnchen]

Ah, but if you look carefully you'll see that it is not about animal films at all; that is the joke. You take a film which was NOT about animals, and change one word in the title into something related to animals, such as "Das Hoot" (see? Boot becomes Hoot so you might imagine this would be a film to appeal to owls). And "The Davinci Toad" might appeal to amphibians.

Never mind, it's probably just an English thing, which a Russian would not think was funny...

[Jimbuna]

The Aerodyne, meant as an unmanned military machine, designed by Lippisch.

[Eichhörnchen]

http://i.imgur.com/6DwdK8v.png?1

This is apparently a full-scale model of a proposed VTOL unmanned Drone.
Well done, Jim, I should've made it harder...

[Jimbuna]

Yes, you should have :03:

Back with something hopefully a little more challenging soon.

*Checking what has previously been posted by himself on other threads before u crank does*

[Jimbuna]

What is this? (all may not be as it seems).

http://s17.postimg.org/u3r691g3z/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[Betonov]

Wood :O:

Let the guessing begin: part of an old ship, I'm guessing not seaworthy anymore :hmmm:

The Mary Rose or post fire Cutty Sark :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Nope but you are correct about the material.

[Armistead]

is it a wood fortress from past history.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Part of a groyne? :doh:

[Tango589]

Is it the Yangmeizhou timber arch lounge bridge?

[Oberon]

Looks like a gatepost to me. :hmmm:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Let's hope so, I don't think we really need a picture of Jim's groyne.

[Jimbuna]

is it a wood fortress from past history.

Part of a groyne? :doh:

Is it the Yangmeizhou timber arch lounge bridge?

Looks like a gatepost to me. :hmmm:

None of the above but as I stated earlier, it is made of wood and Armistead is getting warm regarding it being past history.

[Jimbuna]

Let's hope so, I don't think we really need a picture of Jim's groyne.

Heaven forbid, yours was worrying enough at York :)

[Eichhörnchen]

Is it the remains of the timber structure of a WW1 trench, maybe in Flanders?

[Jimbuna]

Nope but closest yet, it is WWI era.

[Eichhörnchen]

Is it a WW1 equivalent of a u-boat pen

[Jimbuna]

Not a U-boat pen, that would be in or on water.

[Tango589]

Is it a dummy tree used as an observation post, like the one used by the Aussies on Hill 63 during the battle of Messines?

[Eichhörnchen]

(Or the one in "Dad's Army")

[Aktungbby]

A 'timber tommy' flip up from WW I trench warfare?http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/12/article-2579642-1C38746900000578-402_634x691.jpg

[Herr-Berbunch]

Former flying boat ramp between the groyne and the south pier near Lawe Top :hmmm:

[Eichhörnchen]

"All may not be as it seems"... is it an early example of a dummy structure to fool the enemy?

[Jimbuna]

Is it a dummy tree used as an observation post, like the one used by the Aussies on Hill 63 during the battle of Messines?

That be the winner...A British false tree, a type of disguised observation post used by both sides.
http://s17.postimg.org/yd0g77ven/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Over to Tango.

[Tango589]

Hot damn, what a lucky google search with 'world war one wooden object'!:rock:

Ok, back soon with something...

edit:

here it is:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm260/tango589/newpic.jpg

Good luck!:salute:

[Eichhörnchen]

Part of the Starship "Enterprise"?

[Tango589]

nope.

[Aktungbby]

is it in space?

[Jimbuna]

An oil rig platform or sea-related vessel?

I must say I consider your picture size to be rather miserly.

[Eichhörnchen]

Good luck!:salute:

We're going to flaming well need it!

(Is it a missile or rocket launch?)

[Tango589]

(Is it a missile or rocket launch?)
yes.

[Tango589]

I must say I consider your picture size to be rather miserly.

Point taken, new better pic of the same thing has been put up.

[Jimbuna]

Hot damn, what a lucky google search with 'world war one wooden object'!:rock:

Ok, back soon with something...

edit:

here it is:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm260/tango589/newpic.jpg

Good luck!:salute:

Danke....Russian?

[Eichhörnchen]

Indian?

[ikalugin]

Chinese AShM launcher.

[ikalugin]

Second image by the game host:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm260/tango589/newpic.jpg
Chinese DF21C launcher, full image: http://356007295890291112.weebly.com/uploads/1/8/3/5/18358769/8554143_orig.jpg?364
Lino to the news article posted below to avoid editing the "winner" post.

[ikalugin]

http://356007295890291112.weebly.com/military-hardware-tech/radar-defence

[Tango589]

Goddammit, I thought I picked a hard one there!:nope: Well done Ikalugin, lets see what you've got up your proverbial sleeve...:hmmm:

[ikalugin]

Well I could do the old one (I did not know the rules when I have posted my original riddle) or a new one. Which one do you wish to see?

[Betonov]

Well I could do the old one (I did not know the rules when I have posted my original riddle) or a new one. Which one do you wish to see?

New one, of course :up:

[ikalugin]

Are there any conventions on how simple/chalenging should the starting immage be?

[Tango589]

Just don't make it too small, or people get miffed.:)

[ikalugin]

Ok the "new" one, though if a respected member of comunity (ie a mod) so requests I would change it back to the "old" one.
http://i62.tinypic.com/30t5rh2.jpg
I think this immage is sufficiently generous. Ie you could see -several- objects inside the immage. Though I do hope it would be challenging enough, so I would try to reduce a number of hints otherwise given.

clarification - the question for the "new" one is: "What is it?"

p.s. here is the old one below the spoiler for anyone bored:
Question is "What", bonus points for "Where" and "When".
http://i58.tinypic.com/2dhv021.jpg

[niwo]

The navigation table of a russiian sub
2nd roter platz cold war, an icbm

[ikalugin]

The navigation table of a russiian sub
2nd roter platz cold war, an icbm
Both wrong. Good try though. (as a clarification, you need to get the "What" in the 2nd one right to get it right, then the bonus points go. For them you need to get both the specific location and date)

[niwo]

Hungary ww2?

[ikalugin]

First (for the "old" one) you should get "What" right, then try to get the place.

[Betonov]

A chair in front of a desk tat was not used for navigation tells me it's either a commanders office or a command center of some sorts :hmmm:

[Oberon]

PVO Strany? :hmmm:

[ikalugin]

PVO Strany? :hmmm:
No. Though it was a good guess.

[ikalugin]

A chair in front of a desk tat was not used for navigation tells me it's either a commanders office or a command center of some sorts :hmmm:
Well, noone precludes you from thinking it out loud. Asking specific questions would be a different story - I would have to answer those truthfully.

[Armistead]

NORAD

[ikalugin]

NORAD
No.

[Oberon]

Fylingdales? :hmmm:

[ikalugin]

Fylingdales? :hmmm:
No. Feel free to ask specific questions though.

[niwo]

Does it have something to do with photography?

[Oberon]

No. Feel free to ask specific questions though.

Okie Dokey.

Is it a control center?

[ikalugin]

Does it have something to do with photography?
No.

[ikalugin]

Okie Dokey.

Is it a control center?
Not exactly, but it's role is simmilar. Note in my understanding control center is to, well, control operation of a specific system (or platform) or fascility. The role of the system component shown on picture 1 is different, though it could be said that it is close to a control center.

That said the over all system (consisiting of multiple components) does have what you could call control center.

Obvious hint - it is a military system.

[Jimbuna]

Interior of a submarine?

[ikalugin]

Interior of a submarine?
No, first one is not submarine related, though the lowest level of command this was a part of is an equivalent of a naval vessel in terms of seniority.

[Jimbuna]

A radar tracking station?

[ikalugin]

A radar tracking station?
No. (was close to giving a substantial hint though).

[Jimbuna]

A fire control area?

[ikalugin]

Close, but not it.

[Oberon]

ICBM launch facility?

[ikalugin]

Not ICBM releated.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Fighter Command Ops Room c WWII

[ikalugin]

Fighter Command Ops Room c WWII
Not WW2 related.

[niwo]

A sonar plotting device?

[ikalugin]

A sonar plotting device?
Not sonar or submarine related.

[Oberon]

Mainstay? :hmmm:

[ikalugin]

Mainstay? :hmmm:
Not on an aircraft.

[ikalugin]

I knew that it would be hard to get for the Western community due to how the answer is just outside of the box, but I never thought it was that bad.

To summurise:
- it is military.
- it is not on a naval vessel or an aircraft.
- lowest level of command at which it was employed is equivalent to a naval vessel in seniority.
- it is not sonar or ICBM or missile attack EW radar related.

[Eichhörnchen]

Is it a backup radio control centre for tactical direction of military assets in the event of normal digital systems being destroyed?

[ikalugin]

Is it a backup radio control centre for tactical direction of military assets in the event of normal digital systems being destroyed?
Not a back up. Not control, but close. Not only tactical level, but also operational level.

[Jimbuna]

Control section of an air raid shelter in the event of nuclear war.

[ikalugin]

Control section of an air raid shelter in the event of nuclear war.
No, not in a stationary facility.

Note I differentiate between "control" and "command" (and C3 for that matter).

[Eichhörnchen]

So is it inside a trailer?

[Oberon]

K1Sh1?

[Jimbuna]

Tigr-M MKTK REI PP Leer-2 VPK-233114 Mobile Electronic Warfare vehicle?

[ikalugin]

So is it inside a trailer?
Normally in a mobile all terrain vehicle.

[ikalugin]

Tigr-M MKTK REI PP Leer-2 VPK-233114 Mobile Electronic Warfare vehicle?
Accepted into service in 1982.

[Jimbuna]

Does that mean I was correct?

[Oberon]

Does that mean I was correct?

I'd say no, since the Tigr didn't come in until 2006.

[ikalugin]

Does that mean I was correct?
When was Leer-2 introduced into service? :shifty: Or Tigr vehicle for that matter.

[Oberon]

Tsunguska?

[ikalugin]

Tsunguska?
Not an air defense vehicle.

[Oberon]

Not an air defense vehicle.

BMP-2K? :hmmm:

[ikalugin]

Closer, but this is not BMP2K.

[Jimbuna]

Next service.

[ikalugin]

Next service.
What do you mean?

[Oberon]

Is it involved in Anti-aircraft activites in any manner?

[ikalugin]

Is it involved in Anti-aircraft activites in any manner?
This particular element is not, overall system is (amongst other things).

[Herr-Berbunch]

55Zh6me - Nebo M?

[ikalugin]

55Zh6me - Nebo M?
I said already that it is not a radar. Nor is Nebo-M mobile.

[Oberon]

9S470?

[Eichhörnchen]

Ranzhir-M vehicle

[ikalugin]

Not a SAM command post or specialised IADS command system.

[Eichhörnchen]

Well then it must be the mobile canteen: that's the only thing left!

[Armistead]

Is it on or in a ship or?

[ikalugin]

Is it on or in a ship or?
The component of the system shown on the photo is on a land, tracked, all terrain vehicle. Operational level elements of the system may be on non tracked all terrain vehicles.

It is not on a ship of aircraft of any kind.

[Oberon]

A Command tank? :hmmm:

[ikalugin]

A Command tank? :hmmm:
Close, however this system does not have elements on a tank chassis.

[Armistead]

Russian mobile nuclear plant.

[ikalugin]

Russian mobile nuclear plant.
No.

[Armistead]

a type of Russian mobile nuke missile launcher

[ikalugin]

a type of Russian mobile nuke missile launcher
No.

[Armistead]

anything to do with jamming radar

[Oberon]

Is it found at Varshavsky?

[ikalugin]

No idea what "Varshavsky" is.

[Oberon]

No idea what "Varshavsky" is.

A railway station at St. Petersburg with a museum there.

[ikalugin]

It is not on a railway platform, so I don't think that it would be in. Nor have I seen it in any museum for that matter. Nor is the pic from the museum of any kind as far as I know.

[Armistead]

Lost, you said the overall system is involved in surface to air, but this component isn't?

Only thing I can find 1982 is 9K22 "Tunguska-M" Gun/Missile Air Defence System.

Getting stumped...

[ikalugin]

Lost, you said the overall system is involved in surface to air, but this component isn't?

Only thing I can find 1982 is 9K22 "Tunguska-M" Gun/Missile Air Defence System.

Getting stumped...
One of the roles the system does is managing the air defenses of it's level of command. There is another system accepted into service in 1982. If a mod asks me I would give up and give you an answer :(

[Armistead]

One of the roles the system does is managing the air defenses of it's level of command. There is another system accepted into service in 1982. If a mod asks me I would give up and give you an answer :(

We don't give up, just give more clues or more parts of the bigger picture.

[ikalugin]

It is a C3I system for command at tactical and operational level.

[Buddahaid]

Hmmmm........

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-i_rZEQKR7I0/UAVa7tQ1YNI/AAAAAAAAGtM/UUNW9aCDHvI/s1600/you_shall_not_pass.jpg

[ikalugin]

Another hint - you would expect this system to come in service in 90s or even 00s, however it was accepted into service in 1982, as I have said.

[Betonov]

OK; Wild guess: Ilyushin Il-80 command aircraft ???

[Catfish]

Hi,
nothing against you, Ikalugin, but i think this kind of device is not what is intended here. This drawing or navigational or whatever board could be located anywhhere, and no one woul be able to locate it.

For example, if i sent a picture of a U-212 dining table taken from underneath, i suppose no one will riddle me this :03:

[Eichhörnchen]

I agree with Catfish: it'd help if we could see more of what actually defines this vehicle or whatever it is. In other words, see some part of what makes it special or different. How about seeing a bit of the outside?

Thank you, tovarisch...

[Oberon]

Universal-1E? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Next service.

What do you mean?

See Catfish below.

One of the roles the system does is managing the air defenses of it's level of command. There is another system accepted into service in 1982. If a mod asks me I would give up and give you an answer :(

Not how the thread is or was intended....see Armistead below.

We don't give up, just give more clues or more parts of the bigger picture.

Hi,
nothing against you, Ikalugin, but i think this kind of device is not what is intended here. This drawing or navigational or whatever board could be located anywhhere, and no one woul be able to locate it.

For example, if i sent a picture of a U-212 dining table taken from underneath, i suppose no one will riddle me this :03:

Precisely.

[ikalugin]

There is sufficient information, it is just that the system appears to be (sadly) outside of the box in the sense that you are not aware of it's possible existance, which makes the research difficult.

Here is a unique part of this system (not used elsewhere I believe), the keyboard:
http://i62.tinypic.com/9fo6d1.jpg
Component of the system responsible for the air defense on tactical level:
http://i58.tinypic.com/24oztbr.jpg

[u crank]

MP-22 UBKP Ranzhir E Battery Command Post

[ikalugin]

MP-22 UBKP Ranzhir E Battery Command Post
Very, very, very close, but it is not a specialised air defense command system.
OK; Wild guess: Ilyushin Il-80 command aircraft ???
Not on an aircraft as I have said.

[ikalugin]

I already said that, mate, but 'e shot me down! :D
Because Ranzhir is a separate system, even though it does (indirectly, via an intermidiate element of the system) comunicate with the vehicle that I have posted.

[Eichhörnchen]

Cor! You're quick: you picked up that last post while I was changing it!

[Oberon]

Agat Polyana?

[ikalugin]

Agat Polyana?
Again a specialised IADS (air defense) C3I system. The system that I am talking about is not a specialised IADS system, even though it does have an air defense related sub system.

[Oberon]

Panorama-TsM? :doh:

[Eichhörnchen]

I'm going home...

[ikalugin]

Ok, how about I provide some more hints, the system I am looking for was integrated with:
- Kapustnik B and S.
- Mashina and Mashina-B
- Ranzhir

And others.

The pannel (keyboard) that I have shown was for sending formalised and non formalised messages..... the kind of messages that could be sent via Т-235-1У datalink from Rys to the system in question.

[Jimbuna]

Here it is but I've not translated the page it came from:

http://s8.postimg.org/yyj4cz7md/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

The army MT-66, a mobile electron-computing system for the rear item management front, the army MT-513, a command post vehicle commander of a brigade of material support (repair and recovery database) front, the army MT-67 were taken to supply the troops.

Take yer pick...

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[ikalugin]

And we have a winner - it was Manevr automated troop command (C3I) system that I have been looking for. That said, I have assumed that Jimbuna is a winner because he has produced the article talking about (a subsystem of) Manever and of one of the hint immages posted by me (actually the Divisional CP for the air defense).

Congradulations!

Tactical level of this system:
http://st.otvaga2004.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/otvaga2004_manevr_10.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/qmxks8.jpg

Operational level of this system:
http://st.otvaga2004.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/otvaga2004_manevr_04.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/x3iio2.jpg

The system as one could see not only coordinated the air defenses (most guessed that much from my original) and logistsics (the forum post shown by our winner and writen by Murahovsky), but also the artillery fires (one of the earlier guesses), but also allowed the networked command of troops in general (manuevering them around), allowed feeding the data from reckon assets into the command system via a datalink and formalised messages.

Hence why (probably) noone really got it, such known (integrated network centric) systems appeared much later, thus most people were looking for a specialised system and got it wrong.

[Oberon]

http://bostonstitletowntalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/rejoicing.gif?w=700

[Tango589]

Reading that made my brain ache. I'm looking forward to something good from Jim...:hmmm:

[Herr-Berbunch]

I'm looking forward to something relatively easy from Jim. :yep:

Nice one ikalugin, that must be the longest one so far?

[Jimbuna]

http://bostonstitletowntalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/rejoicing.gif?w=700

Reading that made my brain ache. I'm looking forward to something good from Jim...:hmmm:

I'm looking forward to something relatively easy from Jim. :yep:

Nice one ikalugin, that must be the longest one so far?

LOL....looking now :smug:

[Jimbuna]

Put a name to this.

http://s21.postimg.org/fru7jnm4n/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[Herr-Berbunch]

Gertrude.

I win.

[Jimbuna]

LOL, not quite :)

[Oberon]

HMS Furious?

Looks like something with a dazzle camouflage on it. :hmmm:

[Catfish]

Put a name to this.

http://s21.postimg.org/fru7jnm4n/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

And my name to it is:

A bad black and white photo, with an unidentifiable content.

Have i won ?

[Armistead]

Chloe

[swamprat69er]

A really grainy picture.

[Eichhörnchen]

Is that a little sailor-man right there in the photo?

[Jimbuna]

And my name to it is:

A bad black and white photo, with an unidentifiable content.

Have i won ?

Nope.

HMS Furious?

Looks like something with a dazzle camouflage on it. :hmmm:

It is a ship in dazzle camouflage but not RN.

[Jimbuna]

Chloe

???

A really grainy picture.

You'll understand why when you see the original.

Is that a little sailor-man right there in the photo?

Sure is.

[Oberon]

It is a ship in dazzle camouflage but not RN.

Empress of Russia? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Empress of Russia? :hmmm:

Not that big in tonnage terms.

[Eichhörnchen]

Well until the dazzle camouflage thing, I was going to say that the dark part with the little guy on it looks like a sub tied up alongside a ship, so is it?

[Jimbuna]

Well until the dazzle camouflage thing, I was going to say that the dark part with the little guy on it looks like a sub tied up alongside a ship, so is it?

No sub I'm afraid but under normal circumstances there would have been on occasion.

[Eichhörnchen]

So is it a WWII Allied Submarine Tender?