Who / What / Where Game

[Aktungbby]

the Red Sea?

[skidman]

Not the Red Sea.

[mapuc]

I think we should look at the history of architecture to figure out what type of t buildings we see in the picture and in which countries these type of building was common.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Yes, but that looked to me like something from Constantinople so I asked about the Black Sea.

Then again could be the Aegean Sea?

[Aktungbby]

Nah, it's the Tyrrhenian Sea obviously... those are the Leaning Towers of Syracuse!:know:

[skidman]

Not the Tyrrhenian Sea and not the Aegean Sea.

[Aktungbby]

is it fresh water?

[mapuc]

Is it near the Mediterranean?

Markus

[skidman]

Not fresh water.

Is it close to the Mediterranean? Hard to say. Let me put it this way: For an European who usually walks to the grocery store for his daily shopping, and reaches his office after a 10 minutes bus ride it is a long journey but your mileage may vary.

[Aktungbby]

is it somewhere east of Gibraltar and west of the Dardanelles?

[skidman]

No.

[Jimbuna]

A place of worship?

[skidman]

No.

[u crank]

Is it in the Middle East?

[skidman]

No.

[Catfish]

India?

[Jimbuna]

South America?

[skidman]

Not in India, not in South America.

Clue: The architect was a Frenchman.

[Jimbuna]

Italy?

[skidman]

Not Italy.

Clue: The project was financed by the Portuguese.

[Jimbuna]

15th century?

[u crank]

The project was financed by the Portuguese.

Was it built by the Portuguese?

[skidman]

@Jim: later

@ u_crank: The Portuguese built it, some non Portuguese extensions were added later.

[Aktungbby]

the Azores?

[skidman]

No.

[Jimbuna]

Moorish Barracks; b. 1874, Macau?

[skidman]

No, but a building with a military function.

[Catfish]

In Portugal?

[skidman]

No.

[Buddahaid]

Mazagão Fort?

[Aktungbby]

is it an old Portugues slave fort on the Atlantic coast of Africa?

[skidman]

@Buddahaid: Close, very close, but no cigar.

@Aktungbby: Atlantic coast? Yes. Africa? Yes. Slave fort? No.

[Aktungbby]

What and where is this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q8a0hts4p7ldd7x/csc.png?raw=1

In present day Morocco? EDIT: Portuguese castle in Essaoura, Morocco? The missing spires were deceptive...Buddahaid led me to the promised
land!:O:https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.8195975.7641/flat,1000x1000,075,f.u2.jpg

[skidman]

Spot on. It is the northern bastion, Borj Nord, part of the Scala de la Kasbah in Essaouira, Morocco. Construction started in the early 16th centuryby the Portuguese and was finished in the 18th century by the Arabs.


Over to Aktungbby :salute:

[Aktungbby]

I wonder where the spires went? I now know more about 'Portagee' slave-fort archetecture on both African coastlines than I dreamed of! Many of the forts were wood rebuilt with stone imported from Portugal, destroyed by Dutch or French slavers in trade wars...and then used to build something else...stone being a vital commodity not to be wasted. Several are ruins classified as UNESCO world heritage sites. Many of the forts or castles(approx 40),incl Brit and Swedish!!?? were white coral instead of brown stone which narrowed it down. I'll be back with something unsolvable.:D

[Aktungbby]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11625 Where and what is this historic place?:Kaleun_Salivating:

[skidman]

South-East Asia?

[Jimbuna]

Europe?

[Buddahaid]

Newfoundland?

[Aktungbby]

South-East Asia?

Europe?

Newfoundland? No to all!

[u crank]

East coast of America?

[Aktungbby]

NO but played a prominent rôle in the history of the east coast of America.

[Catfish]

Something to do with a plane?

[Aktungbby]

NOPE

[skidman]

Caribbean?

[Aktungbby]

Nope. Big hint 4 U though; one of the two major participants of this place probably caused the start of the 4th Anglo-Dutch war:D

[skidman]

In Guyana?

[Aktungbby]

Wrong continent; it is near a few countries that begin with 'G' though!:up:

[Buddahaid]

Channel Islands?

[Aktungbby]

you are too far west (WNW)...by 6,864 miles.:arrgh!: HINT: A center of international trade 140 years straight, it was attacked by naval forces in 1695, 1704, 1779-during the American Revolution- by ally, France, & 1794; additionally, it was looted by pirates in 1719 & 1720. In 1728, the Portuguese burned the castle located there. It was declared its nation's first historic protected site in 1948...

[Jimbuna]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11625 Where and what is this historic place?:Kaleun_Salivating:

Bunce Island and the site of the former British slave castle?

https://i.postimg.cc/597681DM/111.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/Hsrj2RC8/222.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/zX4vP7Jt/333.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

Exactly! Henry Laurens, a wealthy South Carolina slave dealer and rice planter, was Bunce Island's business agent in Charles Town before the American Revolutionary War. After the war began, Laurens became the President of the Continental Congress, and when the fighting finally ended, he was named one of the American Peace Commissioners who negotiated U.S. Independence under the Treaty of Paris. Amazingly, Richard Oswald, Bunce Island's London-based owner, was appointed head of the British negotiating team in Paris. In other words, United States Independence was negotiated, in part, between Bunce Island's British owner and his American business agent in South Carolina. The relationship between these two men reflects Bunce Island's importance in the commerce that linked Britain, North America, and West Africa during the Colonial Period.Mr Laurens, first president of the Continental Congress, was captured at sea, returning from his duties as Ambassador to Holland. The Brits found the documents pertaining to a commercial treaty with the Americans, and declared war on Holland. Mr Laurens was imprisoned in the Tower of London for years till rescued by his Mentor, Richard Oswald, under whom he'd apprenticed in London as a youth; Laurens was exchanged for General Lord Cornwallis after Yorktown...https://study.com/cimages/multimages/16/unfinished_painting_of_the_paris_treaty_peace_nego tiations.jpg <Laurens is depicted standing in this unfinished painting (4th from left) next to Paris peace negotiators: John Jay, John Adams, Ben Franklin. U.S.General Colin Powell visited the island to "get in touch with his roots"; and the Gullah people of South Carolina trace their ancestry(American east coast) back to Sierra Leone to this day. Over to Jimbuna!:Kaleun_Salute: http://www.bunce-island.org/

[Jimbuna]

May be tomorrow morning I'm afraid.

[Jimbuna]

Nope, just found this.

What might this be?

https://i.postimg.cc/LXCN1TwS/kkkkkkk.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Buddahaid]

A building?

[Jimbuna]

A building?

It is yes.

[Aktungbby]

in England?

[Jimbuna]

in England?

Not England but it would fit in well here.

[Buddahaid]

Lighthouse?

[Aktungbby]

India?

[mapuc]

is it a sort of a special building ?

Markus

[skidman]

A sports facility?

[Jimbuna]

Lighthouse?

I can see why you'd think that but this is a stranger shape.

[Jimbuna]

India?

No but it is in a large country.

[Jimbuna]

is it a sort of a special building ?

Markus

It is a special shape.

A sports facility?

A companies headquarters building.

[Catfish]

Office building for a Chinese liquor company based in central China's Hubei?

[Jimbuna]

Office building for a Chinese liquor company based in central China's Hubei?

Very very close but not in Hubei as far as I'm aware.

[Buddahaid]

This building? Wuliangye Yibin Building
https://i.redd.it/wp1drs7nkgl21.jpg

[Jimbuna]

This building? Wuliangye Yibin Building
https://i.redd.it/wp1drs7nkgl21.jpg

That's the one.

https://i.postimg.cc/hv0h86jY/ccccc.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Over to you :salute:

[Buddahaid]

Let's see if I can make this happen at work.

What is this?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IsiQ9zBv5F47zJdaEFluQpm8gzwR2408/view?usp=drivesdk

I don't think it's viewable and I don't have my image shack password handy to make a better link.

[Aktungbby]

Let's see if I can make this happen at work.

What is this?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IsiQ9zBv5F47zJdaEFluQpm8gzwR2408/view?usp=drivesdkDIDN"T happen at work; access denied at my end; message I get from your site: Request Sent
You'll get an email letting you know if the file is shared with you

[Jimbuna]

Yep, access denied :yep:

[Buddahaid]

Sorry, I'll have to fix it after work.

[Aktungbby]

Stay away from hospital steam tunnels till you do BBY!:O:

[Buddahaid]

OK, fixed. What is this?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/3352/KpEgGM.jpg

[Aktungbby]

A sinkhole?

[Buddahaid]

Not a sinkhole.

[Aktungbby]

a natural phenomenon?

[u crank]

The Lochnagar mine crater, the Somme battlefield.

[Buddahaid]

The Lochnagar mine crater, the Somme battlefield.

Yes, that's the one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQZJS4YqSEk&t=3489s

[u crank]

Ok then what would this be?

https://i.imgur.com/jbUrFV7.jpg?2

[Jimbuna]

A vehicle of some kind?

[u crank]

A vehicle of some kind?

Broadly speaking, yes.

[Jimbuna]

Train?

[skidman]

Made in the USA?

[u crank]

Train?

No.

Made in the USA?

Yes.

[Jimbuna]

A ship?

[u crank]

A ship?

No.

[mapuc]

I think we are in the airplane section

Markus

[u crank]

I think we are in the airplane section

Markus

Yes we are. Please have a seat and put your seat in the upright position. :D

[Aktungbby]

commercial aircraft?

[skidman]

A jet?

[u crank]

commercial aircraft?

No.

A jet?

No.

[Jimbuna]

Post WWII?

[u crank]

Post WWII?

No but used after that war.

[Jimbuna]

Used by the UK?

[u crank]

Used by the UK?

Yes.

[Jimbuna]

Douglas C-47 Skytrain?

[u crank]

Douglas C-47 Skytrain?

No.

[skidman]

Prototype / Experimental?

[Jimbuna]

Twin engine piston?

[u crank]

Prototype / Experimental?

No.

Twin engine piston?

No.

[skidman]

Three radial engines?

[u crank]

Three radial engines?

Sorry, no.

[Catfish]

Four engines?

[Buddahaid]

Balloon cabin?

[Jimbuna]

Single engine piston?

[u crank]

Balloon cabin?

No.

Single engine piston?

No.

[u crank]

Four engines?

Yes.

[Catfish]

Hmm no idea, so just a guess: Avro Lincoln?

[u crank]

Hmm no idea, so just a guess: Avro Lincoln?

Sorry but no.

[Catfish]

Used by the UK, but made in the US?

[u crank]

Used by the UK, but made in the US?

Yes.

[Catfish]

I only find US planes with 4 radial engines that served in the UK after WW2, so .. i thought it was not a radial-engined plane?
Douglas C-54 Skymaster?

[u crank]

I only find US planes with 4 radial engines that served in the UK after WW2, so .. i thought it was not a radial-engined plane?
Douglas C-54 Skymaster?

Skidman asked "Three radial engines?". I was saying no to three. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Not a C-54 Skymaster.

[skidman]

Boeing B-17?

[u crank]

Boeing B-17?

No.

[Catfish]

Consolidated PB2Y-2 Coronado ?

[u crank]

Consolidated PB2Y-2 Coronado ?

No.

[skidman]

Consolidated B-24 Liberator?

[Aktungbby]

Boeing bomber?

[u crank]

Consolidated B-24 Liberator?

No.

[u crank]

Boeing bomber?

It is a Boeing and it is a bomber.

[Aktungbby]

No but used after that war.

Four engines?

Yes.

Boeing bomber?

It is a Boeing and it is a bomber.https://i.imgur.com/jbUrFV7.jpg?2https://www.b29-superfortress.com/images/sdasm/b29-superfortress-legal-eagle-ii-484112-closeup-nose-section.jpg B-29 Superfortress were used briefly in the Korean war...death traps against MIG fighters there! My dad flew as Nav/Engineer on those in WWII... and avoided getting recalled up for Korean War service in 1950 as, by then, his Dehydration-engineer's job producing instant coffee for National Foods: grocery chains and GI ration mess kits:Kaleun_Cheers: was deemed integral to the war effort. I have his deferment papers; I essentially exist since March 1951 'cause of an instant ''cuppa joe"!!??:D hose huge radial engines run fine once they're warm. But they don't care to start when cold, and especially at Colorado Spring's 6,187 foot elevation. The flight engineer starts the engines, and it takes numerous switches, dials, and levers to do so. And a bit of technique, and lots of patience. The engines belch smoke when they start, and a ground crew person with fire extinguisher is poised in front of the engines. From his station, the flight engineer can look out his window and observe the right-side engines as he starts them. The navigator's window is positioned so the flight engineer can also see the left-side engines. Once all four engines were started and warmed, the flight engineer gave control to the pilot. However, as long as those engines are turning there is no rest for the flight engineer; he is constantly monitoring numerous gauges and making minor adjustments.

[skidman]

:Kaleun_Applaud:

[u crank]

And we have a winner. :up:

https://i.imgur.com/EoLC5Ha.jpg?2

The $3 billion cost of design and production of the B-29 (equivalent to $43 billion today), far exceeding the $1.9 billion cost of the Manhattan Project, made the B-29 program the most expensive of the war.

Over to you Aktungbby. :salute:

[Aktungbby]

what's this?!!https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11650 EDIT: I had actually seen the 'starboard' side of Enola Gay at the Smithsonian at niece's Xmas wedding in Washington DC last December; in contrast to the usual 'portside' shot with Enola Gay in big print seen in history books etc. > http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2470/5779781052_bce2b74178_z.jpg

[Buddahaid]

A bird.

[Aktungbby]

yes!

[Catfish]

Well done! I did not know that B29s were ever used/in service by the UK :o


re Aktung an actual check through for start:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN588tjeRpE

[Aktungbby]

Well done! I did not know that B29s were ever used/in service by the UK :o


re Aktung an actual check through for start:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN588tjeRpE A little added treat for Catfish from just up the road where I live:Note the VW beetle in background with radial propeller engine also!!??:arrgh!: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/st-helena-hobbyist-collects-cold-war-era-engines/126321/

[Jimbuna]

Southern rockhopper penguin?

[Aktungbby]

you're getting warm

[Jimbuna]

A penguin type?

[Catfish]

^ i take it you are up to something, something to do with noodles :D

[Aktungbby]

A penguin type? Yes; but the species is now determined to be very specific and separate; based on the specific parasites of each of 3 species! What is the specific species? :hmmm:

[skidman]

My money is on Eudyptes pachyrhynchus, Moseley's rockhopper penguin. And should I be wrong, I still want to thank you for making me going through at least ten papers on the Eudyptes species, their parasites, their breeding and mating patterns, their abundance in different Subantarctic habitats and of course their taxonomy. Felt like I was preparing for my diploma examination in zoology again.

[Aktungbby]

My money is on Eudyptes pachyrhynchus, Moseley's rockhopper penguin. And should I be wrong, I still want to thank you for making me going through at least ten papers on the Eudyptes species, their parasites, their breeding and mating patterns, their abundance in different Subantarctic habitats and of course their taxonomy. Felt like I was preparing for my diploma examination in zoology again.Well U jus' moseley on over to the winner's circle!:yeah: It is the Moseley's or Northen Rockhopper penguin. When Jimbo said Southern Rockhopper he was gettin' very 'warm'!! The rockhopper penguin was split into three distinct subspecies in 1992; the southern, (E. c. chrysocome), eastern (E. c. filholi) and northern rockhopper penguin (E. c. moseleyi). The three subspecies are distinguished by differences in the length of the tassels of the crests, the size and colour of the fleshy margin of the gape, colour pattern on the underside of the flipper and differences in the size of the supercilliary stripe in front of the eye. Additionally, the northern rockhopper penguin is larger than the other two subspecies.[8] Proof that the three subspecies were truly different, in terms of more than reproductive isolation and some morphological features, was found in the mitochondrial sequences of the three species. It was found E. c. filholi and E. c. chrysocome were not as different genetically as E. c. moseleyi was to the other two subspecies. The level of genetic differentiation was similar to the genetic difference found in other penguin subspecies groups.[3]Another way that scientists were able to differentiate the different subspecies of rockhoppers were in the parasites that fed off each separate rockhopper penguin species. Penguins are parasitised by 15 species of chewing lice in two genera, Austrogoniodes and the monotypic Nesiotinus. Within rockhopper penguins, the host-specific louse Austrogoniodes keleri is present only on southern rockhoppers; the multi-host Austrogoniodes concii parasitises only northern rockhoppers and Austrogoniodes hamiltoni parasitises only eastern rockhoppers.[9][10] Cross contamination of the lice is not possible naturally due to the fact that chewing lice have limited mobility and heavily rely on their host for survival, meaning that the lice can only be transmitted across species by way of close physical contact.[11] https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11649 Over to our resident 'zooologist'!:Kaleun_Salute:PS: that study time was vengeance for a long night of looking at 40+ Portuguese African slave forts!:arrgh!:

[skidman]

:har::har::har:

Fair enough. But honestly I enjoyed browsing some biological publications again. There is too much computer and technical gibberish in the stuff I have to read these days, sometimes its nice to go back to your roots again. And penguins are amazing birds, seeing them "fly" under water always makes me wonder, if any human submarine designer will ever reach this level of elegance.

Hm. What's this and where can it be found?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9imn6v7ovv8lt54/gdsg.png?raw=1

[Aktungbby]

Is it a window of a dwelling?

[Buddahaid]

An observatory?

[skidman]

@Aktungbby: Not a dwelling.

@Buddahaid: Not an observatory.

[u crank]

Is it stationary?

[skidman]

No, it moves.

[u crank]

Is it designed to move on water?

[skidman]

No.

[Jimbuna]

Caravan?

[skidman]

Not a caravan.

[Jimbuna]

On wheels?

[skidman]

Afraid not.

[Jimbuna]

On caterpillar tracks?

[skidman]

Sorry, no.

[Buddahaid]

Does it move from one location to another, or move in place?

[Jimbuna]

Can't be a windmill surely?

[skidman]

Does it move from one location to another, or move in place?

It moves from one location to another and then back again to the first location. I'm not trying to be a philosopher here, but if "place" is very large (several miles) then it moves in place.

[skidman]

Can't be a windmill surely?

Not a windmill. Giving a clue here would mean giving it away. Sorry.

[Catfish]

I had thought of the macaroni Penguin (whence my noodle comment futher north), i still wonder how you differ between those "Goldschopfpinguin" species headwise :haha:

Ok, is the new one a portable sauna? :D

[skidman]

This Kai is a very clever Kai. C'mon, solve it.

[Buddahaid]

Well it moves on rails then? A rail car?

[Catfish]

"Thanks for the flowers" (german saying if you think you are being complimented without a cause) :oops:

On a trailer? Iceland?

[skidman]

A cable and no rails. :D

[Catfish]

On a sled?

[skidman]

No. I really thought you already had nailed it.

[Catfish]

I had thought of a portable Sauna in Iceland or Russia, where they pull it over different hot wells for steam .. but on trailers.

Ylläs, Finland, a gondola :03:
https://matadornetwork.com/read/craziest-saunas-around-world/

[skidman]

Yup:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s37eeqh7tbxa69p/Finnland-c-Sport-Resort-Yll%C3%A4s.png?raw=1

The only gondola sauna in the world, so no surprise the windows are shaded. Up to 4 persons can have a very special sauna experience: 20 minutes in one direction, and 20 minutes back again. And if you need to cool down, just open the door and take a jump. There is no doubt the Fins are true genius...

[Buddahaid]

Looks like a Christmas tree ornament...:hmmm:

[Catfish]

Never heard of this, it just was the wood and the tinted window. But.. moving.
Looks like a Christmas tree ornament...:hmmm:
That's an idea, build it some 8 cm big, and hang it on a christmas tree. If anyone asks: "Obviously a finnish gondola sauna" :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Looks like a Christmas tree ornament...:hmmm:

I was thinking in terms of a portable loo :)

[Catfish]

Ok, what is that? And most important: Where was that found?

https://i.imgur.com/VK8VOSDl.jpg

[Buddahaid]

The Holy Grail and you've been hiding it forever? :haha:

Is it bronze?

[Catfish]

^ :haha:
Not the Holy Grail, maybe for some archeologists but i guess not even that.
Made of bronze alright.

[skidman]

A scratch pan used for salt production found in the wadden sea near the former settlement Rungholt?

[Catfish]

A scratch pan used for salt production found in the wadden sea near the former settlement Rungholt?
Not a scratch pan. They call it a handle cup.
Not found near Rungholt, though i guess I know what you are up to.
It may be connected to this though, the Rungholt story is more recent.
Hint: Yes, found in Germany.

I can tell you i was dumbfounded when i saw this, at a museum's exhibition.

[Buddahaid]

Can't be bell beaker people. :hmmm:

[Catfish]

No, a bit later - bronze age.

edit OT here, bell beaker people have nothing to do with this, but just found this:
"Ancient DNA shows that the culture that brought Bronze Age technology to Britain was connected to a migration that almost completely replaced the island's earlier inhabitants."
Poor Britain, no wonder they dislike immigration so much.

[Aktungbby]

found at Tollense battle dig?

[Catfish]

found at Tollense battle dig?
No.

edit: i think i made a mistake, i cannot find anything about this on the web (or at least not in english), so how should you :hmmm:

Ok so i will make it easier, where does this cup come from/where was it made. Greater area will do.
If you find out where it was found it is certainly also ok.

[Buddahaid]

Ikea?

[Catfish]

:rotfl2: No, not in Sweden :D

[skidman]

So it was made outside of Germany but found at a archeological site in Germany?

[Catfish]

^ That. "made outside of Germany but found at a archeological site in German"

and re Buddahaid, it is indirectly connected to the bell beaker people as i just found out :oops:
This is because the "bronze age" does not begin or happen at the same time all over the ancient world.
What can be said for sure is that this cup was not made by the bell beaker people.
There even seems to be a difference between the Trichterbecher and the Glockenbecher people/culture, but both are called bellbeaker in english literature :doh:
As usual things are more complicated than i thought.

[Aktungbby]

was it found in a peaceful settlement dig?

[Catfish]

It was found in a "bell beaker" burial site. "Bell beaker" being a late stone age description here, better "Glockenbecher" indicating the late stone age.
The people were buried peacefully, but they had been killed quite brutally.

[Aktungbby]

single. Grave burial or mass burial?

[Catfish]

Neither, just a "normal" bigger burial site.
It seems there were ony a few people in the settlement (no village to be called this at the time) when enemies killed them, the others buried them when they returned. This is all highly speculative though.

It all took place around 1800-1600 before Christ. The cup is a bit (~200 years) older.

[skidman]

I have to agree here. :03:

OK, I know that artifacts made of metal can be analyzed for the origin of the ore they were made of. And I've just read that Cornwall in the bronze age was famous for its tin reserves and superior bronze quality. So, was this cup made in Cornwall?

[Catfish]

^ Most probably not.

But things get difficult here. Bronze is made of copper and tin, and tin was scarce at times. This was usually due to climate changes, trade changes or due to toppling cultures the tin was derived from before.
Some say that some tin used at this time there, came as from far away as Cornwall - maybe.
But if this cup contains tin from the british isles/Cornwall it was definitely not made there. And not made in Germany, but this was already clear..

[skidman]

I see. One early center of bronze production and maybe the first "industrial size" smelting site was located in Cyprus. Is the cup of Cyprian origin?

[Aktungbby]

buried in Palatinate or Bavaria?

[Catfish]

buried in Palatinate or Bavaria?
No.

[Catfish]

I see. One early center of bronze production and maybe the first "industrial size" smelting site was located in Cyprus. Is the cup of Cyprian origin?
This is not certain, but it is close enough. :up:

This cup is said to be of minoan or mycenian origin, if the latter is true it can well have been produced in Cyprus. Or in what is Greece today, or in Crete. They also had large metal-melting ovens there, at Knossos.
They estimate the age of the cup of being around 1800 years before christ, and it was buried with the killed settlers around 1800 to 1700 before Christ in a large stone burial site at Dohnsen near Celle, Germany.

There are several theories of how this cup ended up in Germany, but it can well be that minoan traders sailed to Britain and the North sea/Germany to exchange goods and resources, or along those trade routes over the Alps. So the tin of this cup can be from Britain, transported to the "helladic/greek region, used with copper to form an alloy called "bronze", and then transported back over the Alps, or by boat.
The finding of especially seals hint to a ship or overland trading excusion, since seals never were traded and transported by other than their bearers.

"This "Henkeltasse" (Handle cup) is from the middle helladic period (appx. 1800-1700 before Christ) and is a minoan-mycenean product. It has been found in Germany near Drohnsen near the city of Celle, in a layer that has been also estimated to appx. 1700 b.c..
It is a good example of the export enterprises and cultural contacts between the Aegean area and Northern Europe during the bronze age. Some real Bronze age globalism."

The bronze and stone age time tables are not "unified" over the ancient world, the mesopotamian and Levante/greek/egyptian people entered the bronze age earlier than say Britain, or what is now Northern Germany.
This explains how a "modern" bronze cup could be buried in an "older" stone age tomb.
Some peoples near the mediterranean momentarily fell back to the stone age when tin became rare and the knowledge of forming bronze was lost. Some people of the time were attacked by others, or they did not respect treaties anymore, so one of the trading posts in the transport chain was interrupted, with terrible consequences. E.g. Crete was trying hard to search for other regions to get tin when the trade routes from Thrakia or Mesopotamia collapsed. This time around 1800-1700 b.c. was also a time of a harsh climate change.

In his book "The voyage of the Argonauts" author Peter Duerr claims he has found minoan pottery, seals and a typical stone anchor of mediterranean origin near the sunken city of Rungholt in the North sea wadden. He also explains how and why such a route could have been led over sea, not necessarily via the Biscaya, but sailing up the river Rhône, and then pulling the ships overland for a short way, as traces of such action have been found along said river.

This may be of interest https://www.academia.edu/17283618/Von_Troja_an_die_Saale_von_Wessex_nach_Mykene_Chro nologie_Fernverbindungen_und_Zinnrouten_der_Fr%C3% BChbronzezeit_Mittel_und_Westeuropas?auto=download

Over to Skidman :salute:


edit P.S. And sorry for the fuss, i will try to use a more unambiguous riddle if i ever win again here :oops:

[Aktungbby]

what is your source for the cup photo?

[Catfish]

^ Made the photo myself, the object was part of a loan collection from the lower saxony archeology museum for an exhibition about ancient minoan ships, their sailing and building and general minoan "sea culture" in Hannover's Kestner museum, the exhibition was also shown elsewhere over time.

Here is the whole photo i made, just made it a bit brighter and cut it, for the forum.

https://i.imgur.com/lQsniRXl.jpg

Some more photos from the exhibition. Had some discussions about the alleged sailing capabilities, this is why i asked you ages ago whether you saw something special on the ships of the Thera plaster 'frieze', what you called the "wine-dark sea" theme.
The back of some of the ships (last picture further down here, the bigger ship with the cow/bull hide 'castle' down here) show an attached elongation that was interpreted here as a ramming device, which is imho wrong. If you ever were on a sailing ship you will know what i mean ;).

https://i.imgur.com/wbvLxVVl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jVkBFFvl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bFi3Tznl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FkSD9o3l.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0mjWJyYl.jpg

A fascinating culture, thoguh by far not the first to roam in the mediterranean sea, and elsewhere.

[skidman]

The transition from late Stone Age to early Copper and Bronze Age is a truly enthralling period in history. And it makes you wonder, if Europe and the Middle East back then can not only be seen as a single economic area, but as a region where a second cultural revolution, comparable to the neolithic revolution, has taken place.

And thanks for reminding us that this kind of cultural evolution is not a one way street and achievements can easily be lost.

Ah, trading without deals and tariffs. Fishing without quotas. Labour mobility, settling and ploughing where you wanted to cause land was plenty. And nobody would blame the Germans for anything, cause Germany didn't exist. :D

Easy Sunday riddle: What and where is this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pa8o9jqsrk1nfoo/dvddewf.png?raw=1

[Jimbuna]

In Europe?

[skidman]

No.

[u crank]

Was this part of a structure built for a special event such as the Olympics or World's Fair?

[Jimbuna]

A diving platform?

[skidman]

Not built for a special event and no diving platform.

[u crank]

A commercial building?

[skidman]

No. It is a building without any function. It just exists. A ticket is needed to get inside, but the ticket is free of charge.

[Jimbuna]

In the US?

[skidman]

Yep.

[Jimbuna]

Empire State Building?

[Aktungbby]

No. It is a building without any function. It just exists. A ticket is needed to get inside, but the ticket is free of charge.

Empire State Building?It couldn't be the Empire State Building that has a function:O:https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/09/26/realestate/Scapes-1/Scapes-1-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

[skidman]

Not the Empire State, but it is a building in New York City.

[u crank]

The Vessel in Hudson Yards?

[Jimbuna]

It sure is and the bloody dog wanting to be out in the garden for a leak stopped me posting :/\\!!

[skidman]

A cigar for u crank :up:

2500 steps, 46 m high, opened in March 2019. Looks like it was inspired by Maurits Cornelis Escher.

https://www.dieweltenbummler.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Vessel-in-Hudson-Yards-2048x1366.jpg

https://www.dieweltenbummler.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Genau-vor-dem-Turm-2048x1366.jpg

https://www.dieweltenbummler.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Erinnert-an-Escher-2048x1366.jpg

https://www.dieweltenbummler.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Genau-in-der-Mitte-2048x1366.jpg

[u crank]

Wow. A stunning example of architectural design. But at 70 years old I hate stairs. :D

Ok what or where is this ....

https://i.imgur.com/3aFRsJ0.jpg?1

[Jimbuna]

Building?

[skidman]

Stadium?

[Aktungbby]

a corporate logo?

[u crank]

Building?

Stadium?

a corporate logo?

No to all.

[Jimbuna]

Vehicle?

[u crank]

Vehicle?

No.

[skidman]

Aerial shot?

[u crank]

Aerial shot?

No.

[Jimbuna]

Balloon? :)

[u crank]

Balloon? :)

Nope.

[Catfish]

Space shot?

[u crank]

Space shot?

No. Photographed on earth.

[Catfish]

:hmmm:
A soap bubble?

[skidman]

A weather phenomenon?

[u crank]

:hmmm:
A soap bubble?

No.

A weather phenomenon?

And no.

[skidman]

A piece of furniture?

[u crank]

A piece of furniture?

Not furniture. It is located outdoors. :03:

[Catfish]

From the "Big Blue Ball project"?
https://realworldrecords.com/releases/big-blue-ball/

[u crank]

From the "Big Blue Ball project"?
https://realworldrecords.com/releases/big-blue-ball/

No nothing to do with music.

[skidman]

A piece of art?

[Aktungbby]

does it move?

[u crank]

A piece of art?

No nothing to do with the arts.

does it move?

No.

[skidman]

Is it man made?

[Aktungbby]

is it inthe US?

[u crank]

Is it man made?

Oh yes.

[u crank]

is it inthe US?

No.

[Aktungbby]

Canada?

[u crank]

Canada?

No.

[Aktungbby]

China?

[u crank]

China?

Nope.

[Aktungbby]

Europe?

[u crank]

Europe?

No.

[Aktungbby]

Asia?

[Catfish]

Has it a ball/globe shape?

[Jimbuna]

Is it edible?

[u crank]

Asia?

No.

Has it a ball/globe shape?

Yes.

Is it edible?

No.

[Jimbuna]

Used for weather-proofing purposes?

[u crank]

Used for weather-proofing purposes?

No. Much smaller than that.

[Jimbuna]

Smaller than a car?

[u crank]

Smaller than a car?

Yes. I don't know the exact size but I would guess about the size of a soccer ball.