Who / What / Where Game

[Jimbuna]

Yes

[Catfish]

The Golden Temple Harmandir Sahib in Amritsar? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Afraid not.

[skidman]

Dakshineswar Kali Temple?

[Jimbuna]

Dakshineswar Kali Temple?

Well done that man :up:

https://i.postimg.cc/90dJJm2r/Dakshineswar-Temple.jpg (https://postimg.cc/N2060w5c)

Terug naar jou :salute:

Over to you :salute:

[skidman]

Hm, I've stumbled across so many very nice palaces, temples, and other landmarks and examples of outstanding architecture tonight, it's a shame I've never made it to India.

Allright. What's this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1bno6mms0alg949/sb3.png?raw=1

[mapuc]

I know it isn't correct
But Titanic popped up in my head.

Markus

[skidman]

You are right, it's not the Titanic :03:

[Aktungbby]

brick?

[skidman]

Metal! :rock:

[Catfish]

Submarine?

[Jimbuna]

Surface vessel?

[skidman]

Surface vessel, not submergible.

[Jimbuna]

Liner?

[skidman]

Nope.

[Jimbuna]

Military?

[skidman]

No civilian.

[Catfish]

research ship?

[skidman]

Nope.

[Jimbuna]

Cargo?

[Eichhörnchen]

Is that top line of arched shapes a row of windows?

[skidman]

Not a freighter, and yes it is a row of windows.

Clue1: Rebuilt in the 1930s

Clue2: Sailing exclusively in coastal waters

Clue3: There is a connection to seafood

[Aktungbby]

european?

[skidman]

Nope.

[Aktungbby]

american?

[skidman]

Yep!

Clue 4: West coast

[Aktungbby]

dinner cruise ship?

[skidman]

It was used for such purposes (buffet and dance), but the everyday routine was much more prosaic.

Clue 5: Scrapped in Tacoma

[Jimbuna]

A paddle steamer?

[skidman]

No, single propeller.

Clue 6: 10 cylinder Busch-Sulzer direct drive diesel engine, 3000 hp

[Jimbuna]

MV Kalakala?

[Catfish]

I think you got it :)

[Jimbuna]

Probably, it was the engine specs that helped.

[skidman]

Bravo Jim. It is the beautiful Kalakala

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqtd7gkaou3jbuq/kalaka.jpg?raw=1

- restored 1933-35 from the remainders of the ferry Peralta that was destroyed by a fire

- the streamline superstructure was inspired by airplane construction, new welding techniques were used

- 1935 part of the Washington State Ferries fleet, service in Puget Sound, first commercial radar system added 1946

- retired in 1967, towed to Alaska and used as a shrimp canning factory (would you believe it?)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Wreck_kalakala.jpg/1280px-Wreck_kalakala.jpg

Over to you :salute:

[Jimbuna]

Cheers, I'll put something up tomorrow. Time to pick the wife up.

[Jimbuna]

Who is this?

https://i.postimg.cc/hv1R0DwG/ggggggg.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Eichhörnchen]

Female?

[Jimbuna]

Male

[Aktungbby]

British?

[Jimbuna]

Yes

[Catfish]

Hmm.. if it is some war memorial in England there are only 157,347 left to check :wah:

Ok, is it a war memorial?

[Jimbuna]

Nope but they do have strong views on the subject matter at times.

[Jimbuna]

Hmm.. if it is some war memorial in England there are only 157,347 left to check :wah:

Ok, is it a war memorial?

Cross posts.....not a war memorial. This is a single person.

[Aktungbby]

political figure?

[Jimbuna]

political figure?

I answered that in #13292. Don't know why you felt the need to delete it.

[Aktungbby]

Your pardon Sire; I thought you were simply answering Catfish.:yep:

[Catfish]

^ umm yes, did i cross-post? :hmmm:

The memorial, something to do with slavery?

[skidman]

A scientist?

[Eichhörnchen]

A monarch?

[Jimbuna]

A scientist?

I would say quite the opposite but a master at his 'trade' :)

Someone I have admired for many years.

[Jimbuna]

A monarch?

Not a monarch but someone I would personally call 'The King of......'

[skidman]

A sportsman?

[Jimbuna]

A sportsman?

I can't find any record of him having participated in sports other than at school but when his identity is revealed I'll post a link from Wikipedia and I think you'll agree he had a wide and varied upbringing.

[skidman]

A musician?

[Jimbuna]

A musician?

One of his talents yes.

[Aktungbby]

is he buried in Westminster abbey?

[Jimbuna]

is he buried in Westminster abbey?

I hope not, he was still alive the other day when on tv :)

[Eichhörnchen]

Is he a comic?

[Jimbuna]

Is he a comic?

Yes, amongst other things.

[Aktungbby]

mitchel john benn?

[Jimbuna]

mitchel john benn?

Nope and I'd never heard of him until now.

[skidman]

Academy award winner?

[Jimbuna]

Academy award winner?

Not as far as I'm aware but he has appeared in some great movies (my personal opinion).

Very hard to give clues without making it obvious but here's one....he has been married twice.

[Catfish]

How i wish it would be Sasha Baron Cohen! :O:

[Jimbuna]

How i wish it would be Sasha Baron Cohen! :O:

He's not a musician though and not nearly as funny imho.

[Jimbuna]

Been five days now. Are we all done?

[skidman]

Hm. Shooting from the hip: Eric Idle?

[Jimbuna]

Hm. Shooting from the hip: Eric Idle?

Afraid not but as chance would have it, Eric Idle was born in my home town.

HUGE clue: he may be a Brit but not necessarily English.

[Catfish]

A statue of two persons?

[Jimbuna]

A statue of two persons?

The statue is of one British comic/comedian/musician but in the photo this was taken from there is a human with there arms resting on the statues left shoulder.

[Catfish]

It cannot be Ken Dodd .. but i also have to admit i am not up-to-date with british actors and comedians.

[Aktungbby]

he may be a Brit but not necessarily English.IS he Welsh?

[Jimbuna]

It cannot be Ken Dodd .. but i also have to admit i am not up-to-date with british actors and comedians.

Correct it is not Ken Dodd, he is English.

[Jimbuna]

IS he Welsh?

Not Welsh :)

[Aktungbby]

a Scotsman?

[mapuc]

Is this Person mostly known:

1. By citizens in UK ?
2. By citizens in English speaking countries ?
3. By citizens in Europe ?

I know I asked many question the reason is, if this person is mostly known by citizens in UK I or others may not know who this person is.
(sorry in advance)

Markus

[Jimbuna]

a Scotsman?

Hurray!

[Jimbuna]

Is this Person mostly known:

1. By citizens in UK ?
2. By citizens in English speaking countries ?
3. By citizens in Europe ?

I know I asked many question the reason is, if this person is mostly known by citizens in UK I or others may not know who this person is.
(sorry in advance)

Markus

Pretty well known around the world I would have thought.

[Aktungbby]

Now that I've led them to the promised land, Cat and Skid may claim the Balmoral bonnet:O:

[Jimbuna]

Now that I've led them to the promised land, Cat and Skid may claim the Balmoral bonnet:O:

:haha:

[Aktungbby]

...but I go with Frankie Boyle 'cause he's a fellow 'Wegian!

[Jimbuna]

Too young.

[Catfish]

Sir ... The Big Yin?

[skidman]

:Kaleun_Applaud:

"Why should I learn algebra? I've no intention of ever going there."
(Billy Connolly)

[Catfish]

^ If it is really Billy Conolly (Jim?) i will gladly give "my" win to Aktung, i would never have found it without his post and i do not want to steal it again :03:

But what a treasure trove, looking for Conolly comedy videos and the Humblebums band :up:
..and i never knew J. Rafferty played with him!

[Jimbuna]

Sir ... The Big Yin?

Yep, none other than Billy connolly :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

https://i.postimg.cc/NFL4CnWq/108589123-48004877.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

^ If it is really Billy Conolly (Jim?) i will gladly give "my" win to Aktung, i would never have found it without his post and i do not want to steal it again :03:

But what a treasure trove, looking for Conolly comedy videos and the Humblebums band :up:
..and i never knew J. Rafferty played with him!

Yes, he is very much muti-talented and imho has a fascinating past history.

I've been a keen follower since my teens but sadly he is now a victim to the dreaded Parkinsons disease since 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Connolly

Over to you :salute:

[Catfish]

Nono, over to Aktungbby please ! :)

[Jimbuna]

Nono, over to Aktungbby please ! :)

Okay matey, your choice :salute:

[Aktungbby]

NOPE Catfish got it; he posts!:O:

[mapuc]

You were right Jim he is very well known around the world. Even I have seen lots of movies and so on with him.

Back to business

Markus

[Jimbuna]

You were right Jim he is very well known around the world. Even I have seen lots of movies and so on with him.

Back to business

Markus

Rgr that Markus

NOPE Catfish got it; he posts!:O:

Fair enough. You heard the man Kai.

[Catfish]

^ :hmmm:

How is it called (name), and why?

https://i.imgur.com/Q9YqD0wl.jpg

[Aktungbby]

is it a steam boiler?

[Catfish]

^ Yes!

[Aktungbby]

of a locomitive?

[Catfish]

No.

[skidman]

Torpedo boat?

[Catfish]

No.

[Aktungbby]

in europe?

[mapuc]

From a movie ?

Markus

[Catfish]

@Aktung: Not in Europe, though this may be misleading :D
@Mapuc: Not from a movie

[skidman]

Hm. But some kind of vehicle?

[Catfish]

Yes.

[Aktungbby]

american?

[Catfish]

Not american.

[skidman]

A tractor?

[Catfish]

^ Yes! A steam tractor.

[Aktungbby]

Russian?

[Catfish]

Not russian

[Aktungbby]

1800"s?

[Catfish]

19th century, yes. The photo is not that old.

[Eisenwurst]

Hmm....misleadingly not in Europe....British ?

[skidman]

Or British Empire?

[Jimbuna]

An exhibit in a museum?

[Catfish]

@Eisenwurst: Built in Europe, now elsewhere - not in Europe.
@Skidman: Not British Empire :03: Though later said country was administered by a country belonging to the BI.
@Jimbuna: Yes, in a museum being built to house this.

[Jimbuna]

In the UK?

Kempton Steam Museum?

[skidman]

"Martin Luther" Steam Tractor Swakopmund, Namibia

https://www.namibia-accommodation.com/listing/martin-luther-steam-tractor-swakopmund

"Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders."
(here I stand and I cannot do otherwise)

Wow, really nice find. :up:

[Jimbuna]

WOW!....most impressed :o

[Catfish]

I am also impressed, give Skidman a cigar! :up:

"Martin Luther" Steam Tractor Swakopmund, Namibia
"Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders."
(here I stand and I cannot do otherwise)
Wow, really nice find. :up:

Yes, this is it! The story behind this is a long and funny one, but i will spare you that :03:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110719114323/http://www.wfg-gk.de/geschichte11.html

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dampflokomobil_Martin_Luther

(The website is not entirely correct, also translation does not seem to work, the photos are ok..)

In short: german Edmund Trost, Lieutenant-Colonel of the german 'Schutztruppe' imported a road-going "Lokomobile" (as steam tractors are being called in german) to Namibia with his own money in 1896, because transports inland were a chore and it had all to be done with oxen (no railway or 'Feldbahn' yet). Unfortunately steam tractors need a lot of (rare) water, and also its weight is not exactly an advantage in sandy deserts like the Namib. So it took weeks to get the machine to its destination, it sank into the ground all the time, had to be repeatedly dug out and propped up, then the water was empty and had to be transported 30 kilometers (price being 30 Reichsmark for a hundred liters), and arrived weeks later.
Edmund Trost later imported a Diesel truck which was a much better choice, but the best were still: Oxen.
(There was another british fellow getting two steam tractors and two boats on trailers to the Tanganyika lake in WW1, to sink the real African Queen, the german steamer Graf Goetzen), who had his own troubles - this unbelievable journey can only be compared to Sysiphus or Fitzcaraldo's ship-mountain adventure! Very good book about this british ordeal is: "Utmost Fish" by Hugh Wray McCann)

The truck was later owned by a fellow who wanted to sell alcohol to the namibians, so he put a big cask filled with Schnaps on one of the trailers - it was then that the steam tractor made its last journey, being scarce of water and spare parts (the security valve disintegrated) the tractor stopped in the desert and no one was able or had the means to convince it of going on.
So the machine remained at the place for the next century(ies) to come, rusting, now and then polished by sand storms, and slowly sinking into the ground.

The back then recently christianised namibians (forced by british and german missionaries ahem) were well aware of Martin Luther's quote in the famous trial when evangelism parted from catholicism, being asked why he was a "traitor of the catholic cause" and to "splitting the church", he answered
"„Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders, Gott helfe mir. Amen."
~ "here I stand, I cannot do otherwise, God help me, Amen.".
The Namibians found this a fitting name for the poor abandoned machine, so they called it "Martin Luther" with a wink, and the name stuck.

The machine has been put under a shed, then a museum, been partly restored, and became a national landmark in Namibia.

I can post no pictures but will try later, Imgur is under overload, surely due to the election.

Over to Skidmark :salute:

[Aktungbby]

I knew I'd seen this gizmo in studying 18 century Namibian death camps(a college term paper in the '70's) but simply couldn't place it! Hitler didn't really need the Turkish Armenian example for his inspiration:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/15/germany-comes-to-terms-with-forgotten-death-camps What took place in Namibia between 1904 and 1908 horribly prefigured the crimes of the century that followed. The Germany army, with the complicity of colonial administrators – bureaucratic, desk-bound killers – exterminated thousands of men, women and children in concentration camps. They transported their victims to those camps in cattle trucks and used labour and hunger to kill. So brazen were they that the ledgers in which the deaths of the prisoners were recorded came with the column “cause of death” pre-printed with the phrase “death through exhaustion, bronchitis, heart disease or scurvy”. All this 30 years before the Nazis even came to power.

[Catfish]

I am not about whataboutism, so i will not go into details of in how good company the Imperial Germany of the time (or before) was.

In Namibia, it was genocide and rightly called that. Thanks to german thoroughness most papers and documents of the time have been stored and survived, minus some material that was destroyed during the firestorms in Hamburg and Berlin during the second great unpleasantness. It is publicly available, with the usual precautions regarding handling like copying etc.
I know a bit about german colonialism since my beloved wife studied ethnology with the focus on Africa, and those german colonies. I am not an expert in any regard of course.

So what is left of the documents is bad enough, and i hope that Germany will go on on its current path (as your link says, near the end) of looking at its past as a cautionary tale rather than calling it glorious.

[skidman]

Not British Empire :03: Though later said country was administered by a country belonging to the BI.

That was a big clue. The number of countries that used to be British colonies and later became administrators themselves is very small. And there are no steam tractors on display in -hm- Palestine.

Again, a nice puzzle and a cautionary, yet funny story behind it. :03:

I knew I'd seen this gizmo in studying 18 century Namibian death camps(a college term paper in the '70's) but simply couldn't place it! Hitler didn't really need the Turkish Armenian example for his inspiration

Maybe this is not the thread for this kind of considerations, but I'd like to add a little remark here. When historians start "connecting the dots" there is a great chance that things are going in a terribly wrong direction, particularly when crimes of the Nazi regime are under scrutiny and correlated to other barbarities in global history. Doing so usually results at the least in a objectionable relativization... ... and suddenly Coventry and Gütersloh are both on the same list.

Back to topic:

What's this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qoeuganp84f8qth/rgtokhd.png?raw=1

[Catfish]

Please, any hint?

19th century?

[skidman]

Yep, second half of the 19th century. Built in Europe.

[Catfish]

England?

[skidman]

Scandinavia.

[Aktungbby]

an exploration vessel?:Kaleun_Salivating:

[Catfish]

Seems to be a cutter.. topmast fixed at the rear - Amundsen's Gjöa?

[Aktungbby]

That's gotta be it or I'm not a true son of St Olaf College! Amundsen leaped into mind at first glance. :yeah: It sat(poorly maintained) in S.F.'s Golden Gate park where I saw it once; 'till restored to its native Scantyhoovia in '72 to Oslo's Fram museum! :yeah:

[skidman]

@Catfish: Not Amundsen's Gjöa and not a cutter though the stem bar would fit a cutter

@Akktungbby: Not a research vessel, but a innovative design

Clue: She was sailing (almost) only in inland waters and by sailing I mean steaming.

Another clue: Though she was built in Scandinavia, you would find her much further south.

[Catfish]

With a more or less vertical bow?

Not a "Haikutter" ? :o
They were not cutters, the name was given to them as an insulting nickname (by traditional fishermen, who despised the fast new ships catching all "their" fish and be first in the harbour again for selling)

[Jimbuna]

Zoroaster?

[skidman]

Bravo Jim, very impressive. :up:

The Zoroaster was the first tanker ever built. Laid on keel in Sweden in the 1870s, transferred to the Caspian and used for transporting crude oil from Baku to Astrachan (Volga). Owned by Brothers Nobel initially it had around 30 cylindrical tanks built into her belly to store the oil. Those were removed later and the oil would then be floating free within the hull with the steam engine separated from the load by water filled compartments. It was sunk to serve as a part of the foundations of Neft Daslari, the town on stilts in the Caspian Sea.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tesil309v0fwy6d/zoroastr-0ce7d42bdab5e13bc9fe0df7edd23772.png?raw=1

Over to You :salute:

[Jimbuna]

Okay...what is this? and by way of an early clue the answer is personal to me.

https://i.postimg.cc/xC27K8zJ/hhhhhh.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[skidman]

Ferry?

[mapuc]

If I remember correctly Jim was some kind of Marine engineer before he became police officer.

Wonder if it has something to do with the his careers as Marine engineer.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

was this ship used on the Malibar coast?

[Jimbuna]

Ferry?

Not a ferry.

[Jimbuna]

was this ship used on the Malibar coast?

Not as far as I'm aware but she may have some time during her life.

[Jimbuna]

If I remember correctly Jim was some kind of Marine engineer before he became police officer.

Wonder if it has something to do with the his careers as Marine engineer.

Markus

Most perceptive Markus.

[Aktungbby]

Did you wear trousers with a jingle in your pocket on this ship?:O:

[Jimbuna]

Did you wear trousers with a jingle in your pocket on this ship?:O:

I'm not sure I know what you mean.

[Aktungbby]

Is it a WWII cargo ship used in the Murmansk convoys?

[Jimbuna]

Is it a WWII cargo ship used in the Murmansk convoys?

I believe an earlier vessel with the same name did but not this one.

Clue: Built in the seventies.

[Catfish]

Zoroaster?
And i was sure it had been a sailing ship .. :o
Never heard of this ship, and even built before the Lawson sailing tanker.
Well done :up:

[Jimbuna]

And i was sure it had been a sailing ship .. :o
Never heard of this ship, and even built before the Lawson sailing tanker.
Well done :up:

Intuitive luck :03:

[Aktungbby]

MV Derbyshire http://themarineexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/mv_derbyshire_sea.jpg

[Jimbuna]

MV Derbyshire http://themarineexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/mv_derbyshire_sea.jpg

I know where your coming from but I've never been aboard the Derbyshire but I have this one.

[skidman]

So, is it a cargo/tanker?

[Jimbuna]

So, is it a cargo/tanker?

A cargo vessel.

Clue: Was owned by a parent company based in London.

[skidman]

70s is too early for containers, bulk load?

[Jimbuna]

70s is too early for containers, bulk load?

Just general cargo and there were containers added on top of the hatches when the holds were full.

Clue: Built in 76

[Aktungbby]

A cargo vessel.

Clue: Was owned by a parent company based in London.Femis Limited?

[Jimbuna]

Femis Limited?

Not Femis but the company name had an association with money.

Clue: 'Shipping Ltd. was the parent company in London that owned and operated the **** ****'

[Catfish]

"Shipping Finance"? Strange but seems to have existed.. but nothing to find on the web.

[Jimbuna]

"Shipping Finance"? Strange but seems to have existed.. but nothing to find on the web.

Definitely connect to finance in name only.

Clue: Looking at the previous clue, 'Shipping Ltd' is preceded by the name of an individual and the ship was operated by **** Line.

[Aktungbby]

Is this ship still in existence?

[Jimbuna]

Broken up in 99

[Aktungbby]

of British registry?..as opposed to say Panamanian, Greek, etc.

[Jimbuna]

Originally British but ended her days under Greek registration.

[Aktungbby]

Was the vessel's name chnged fom time to time in the course of her quarter-century career?

[Jimbuna]

Including her name at launch she had a total of four names.

I remember the pleasurable experience of taking a nice long dip in the 25' square pool she had aft of her funnel as we sailed up the Shatt al-Arab in temperatures of 45C in the shade.

[Aktungbby]

Not Femis but the company name had an association with money.

Clue: 'Shipping Ltd. was the parent company in London that owned and operated the **** ****'

Including her name at launch she had a total of four names.

I remember the pleasurable experience of taking a nice long dip in the 25' square pool she had aft of her funnel as we sailed up the Shatt al-Arab in temperatures of 45C in the shade. Well it's taken
me an hour and two Aricept to find this old post: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2348285&postcount=5791 but I'm on the scent!

[Jimbuna]

Impressed and that answers #13406

[Aktungbby]

Nessbank (2) https://bankline.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/fullsizeoutput_7cfd.jpeg Monafric see Monadnock.
Moraybank (1) 1945 1962 sold to Mullion & Co., Hong Kong renamed Ardrowan. 7,307
Moraybank (2) 1973 1984 renamed Toana Papua, 1986 renamed Moraybank, 1987 renamed Toana Papua, 1987 renamed Moraybank, 1998 scrapped Alang, India. 11,405
Myrtlebank 1925 1960 scrapped. 5,150
Nairnbank (1) 1925 1953 sold to Moller Line UK, London renamed Blyth Explorer. 5,156
Nairnbank (2) 1966 1979 sold to Gulf Ltd, London renamed Gulf Hawk. 7,604
Naneric 1895 ex- Aotea, 1912 purchased from Shaw, Savill & Albion Line renamed Naneric, 1925 sold to A. Ardito, Italy renamed Ballari. 5,609
Nessbank (1) 1953 1973 sold to Paris Shipping Co., Cyprus renamed Paris. 5,690
Nessbank (2) 1977 1981 sold to Buckingham Maritime Corp, Greece renamed Alkaios. 11,231 scrapped 2000
Northbank 1957 1973 sold to Tudor Shipping Co., Cyprus renamed Aegis Lion. 8,504
Oakbank (2) 1926 1942 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.507 5,154
Oakbank (3) 1963 1978 sold to Xerefon Shipping Co., Greece renamed Good Spirit.

[Catfish]

Bank Line ! :o:doh::/\\!!

Well done it seems, Aktungbby

"Fleetbank class vessel finished building in 1977, and in the fleet for only 4 years. Became the ALKAIOS and then the GEORGE. Scrapped in the year 2000."
https://banklineonline.com/2020/08/15/nessbank/

[Jimbuna]

Nessbank (2) https://bankline.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/fullsizeoutput_7cfd.jpeg Monafric see Monadnock.
Moraybank (1) 1945 1962 sold to Mullion & Co., Hong Kong renamed Ardrowan. 7,307
Moraybank (2) 1973 1984 renamed Toana Papua, 1986 renamed Moraybank, 1987 renamed Toana Papua, 1987 renamed Moraybank, 1998 scrapped Alang, India. 11,405
Myrtlebank 1925 1960 scrapped. 5,150
Nairnbank (1) 1925 1953 sold to Moller Line UK, London renamed Blyth Explorer. 5,156
Nairnbank (2) 1966 1979 sold to Gulf Ltd, London renamed Gulf Hawk. 7,604
Naneric 1895 ex- Aotea, 1912 purchased from Shaw, Savill & Albion Line renamed Naneric, 1925 sold to A. Ardito, Italy renamed Ballari. 5,609
Nessbank (1) 1953 1973 sold to Paris Shipping Co., Cyprus renamed Paris. 5,690
Nessbank (2) 1977 1981 sold to Buckingham Maritime Corp, Greece renamed Alkaios. 11,231 scrapped 2000
Northbank 1957 1973 sold to Tudor Shipping Co., Cyprus renamed Aegis Lion. 8,504
Oakbank (2) 1926 1942 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.507 5,154
Oakbank (3) 1963 1978 sold to Xerefon Shipping Co., Greece renamed Good Spirit.

Bank Line ! :o:doh::/\\!!

Well done, it seems.

Afraid not. I'd suggest going back over the clues and look at dates in particular :)

[Catfish]

Olivebank (4), Ex-Nara?

edit: "ex- Nara, 1986 chartered from Chargeurs Reunis, France renamed Marabank, 1987 sold to Greece renamed Christine I, 1989 chartered to Deutsche Afrika Line renamed Rickmers Nanjing, 1990 purchased by Bank Line, Panama registry renamed Olivebank, 1999 scrapped India."

Ah, too late :haha:

[Aktungbby]

http://www.shipspotting.com/photos/middle/6/3/9/3127936.jpg MV Cedarbank I had previously relied on your **** **** implying an eight letter name not a a nine letter name and the year was only off by one... GMT:O: Cedarbank (4) 1976 1983 sold to Harrier Maritime Inc, Greece renamed Elly.

[Jimbuna]

Olivebank (4), Ex-Nara?

Close

http://www.shipspotting.com/photos/middle/6/3/9/3127936.jpg MV Cedarbank I had previously relied on your **** **** implying an eight letter name not a a nine letter name and the year was only off by one... GMT:O:

Spot on, one of the ships I actually had decent voyages on. She took me almost around the world.

https://i.postimg.cc/hGGys9qf/fullsizeoutput-73c1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://banklineonline.com/2019/06/09/m-v-cedarbank-built-76-in-the-pallion-yard-of-sunderland-shipbuilders/

https://industrialhistoryhk.org/andrew-weir-company/

Over to BBY :salute:

[Aktungbby]

If I remember correctly Jim was some kind of Marine engineer before he became police officer.

Wonder if it has something to do with the his careers as Marine engineer.

Markus

Not Femis but the company name had an association with money.

Clue: 'Shipping Ltd. was the parent company in London that owned and operated the **** ****'

Well it's taken
me an hour and two Aricept to find this old post: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2348285&postcount=5791 but I'm on the scent! Nuthin like history major/15 yr appraisal background to set nose to ground. All credit to Mapuc:salute:: I knew I'd seen the post he referred to and that broke it wide open. I mistook the **** **** for the ship name instead of the company name and knew after mistake choice 1 MV Nessbank; Catfish would be hot on my six:k_confused: ...acing him out by 10 seconds is making my day! I also spent a lot of time looking at MV Tananger now a ghost ship renamed MV Alta, off the Irish coast: also built in 1976 as was the MV Derbyshire.:arrgh!: OK what's this? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11601

[Catfish]

Radiation "cleanup" at Runit, Marshal islands?

[mapuc]

^^ I was thinking on writing

You don't have to look outside our forum..because Jim has 2-3 times the last 4-5 years mentioned the ship he was on.

Then I thought no...this is Jim's riddle.

Back to guessing

Back

[Aktungbby]

Radiation "cleanup" at Runit, Marshal islands? Catfish got it! too easy! :Kaleun_Salute:

[Catfish]

^ well this instantly came to mind, don't know why.
Not a cleanup of course, better spare the details :03:

Other guess was the Enterprise in the film where they find "god".

Ok what is this?

https://i.imgur.com/0ONxqcfm.jpg

[Jimbuna]

An experimental jet?

[Catfish]

Not a jet :D

[Jimbuna]

Aeroplane?

[Catfish]

Yes, aeroplane.

[Jimbuna]

Off a movie?

[skidman]

Rocket propulsion?

[Catfish]

Sorry for being late.

@Jim not from a movie, or better i do not know of any :hmmm:

@not rocket propulsion

[skidman]

1950s?

[Catfish]

No.

[Aktungbby]

one of a kind?

[Catfish]

Oh yes!

[Aktungbby]

front propeller or rear?

[Catfish]

Yes, "a" propeller, not literally.
As a bonus, front :O:

[Aktungbby]

single engine?

[Catfish]

No.
Hint: Though it may look like one.

[skidman]

American?

[Catfish]

Yes.

[skidman]

Contra-rotating propellers?

[Catfish]

Yes!

[skidman]

The "Pogo" Convair XFY?

[Catfish]

No, a private venture.
Was said above it has more than one engine - hint: two engines

[skidman]

The RP-4 built by David Rose?

[Catfish]

:haha: Yes! Fom 2005.

"The RP-4 is being built to either kill Dave Rose or catapult him into aviation glory for the fastest piston-power aircraft (something around 529mph)"
It never flew! But maybe it will ..

https://i.imgur.com/DJtg1NCl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bAkmOuKl.jpg

598 cubic inch 2700-hp Dart V8 drag racing engines, throttled down to 1200 hp each, propellers are not geared down, the exhaust stacks alone create 300 pounds of thrust..

https://sandiegoairandspace.org/blog/article/this-week-in-speed-the-rose-rp-4-project

Not a tail dragger, it will be sooo easy to land with its front gear construction and good nose visibility .. ahem


Over to Skidman :salute:

[skidman]

It looks dangerous. The propellers look like requisites from a splatter movie.

But at 530 mph I would expect the whole construction to crumble in the air and come down as bits and pieces.

[Catfish]

It sure does, the propellors look as if designed by Colani high above legal alcohol limit, and it needs a spinner.

[skidman]

:D :03:

OK. Another aircraft:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a3fuw8vyz84sfvi/vjkvoadnk.png?raw=1

[mapuc]

Another One of it's kind ?

Markus

[skidman]

Yep, a prototype.

[Catfish]

no elevator? :hmmm:

[skidman]

No elevator, still it flew. :yep:

[Catfish]

US?

[Jimbuna]

Cierva W.9

https://i.postimg.cc/MpxbQHNX/Cierva-W-9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

Hah i love it, well done :)

I thought of a helicopter or a big/only-wing aircraft, but did not find this. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Pure luck, my search theme was 'aircraft prototypes' and I literally fell upon it. A bit like finding the needle in the haystack :)

[skidman]

Bravo Jim. This 1944 prototype obviously had no tail rotor. The discharge of exhaust fumes through a pipe near the tail was supposed to stabilize the helicopter. The concept turned out to be not very feasible.

Over to you :salute:

[Jimbuna]

Okay, name this.

https://i.postimg.cc/8cS9fNSG/gjl-hg.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Buddahaid]

Same ship as last time?

[mapuc]

The word exodus popped up when I saw the picture.

Markus

[skidman]

Tanker?

[Jimbuna]

Same ship as last time?

Hardly :)

[Jimbuna]

The word exodus popped up when I saw the picture.

Markus

Definitely not the mv, hms or anything else exodus :)

Tanker?

Not a dedicated tanker but capable of offloading relatively small quantities.

Clue: Sailed on her for two days but worked on her shore side for a couple of months.

[Aktungbby]

another banks operated vessel?

[Jimbuna]

another banks operated vessel?

Not a Bank.

Clue: Approximately half the size and a distinctly different type of cargo.

[Aktungbby]

of British registry?

[Jimbuna]

Yes and comes with a past history probably known worldwide.

[Aktungbby]

does it still exist?

[Jimbuna]

Not this one but her replacement was still in service until last year.

[Aktungbby]

based in Newcastle?

[Catfish]

Mixed transport, including ore?

[Jimbuna]

based in Newcastle?

Built in Scotland in the sixties.

[Jimbuna]

Mixed transport, including ore?

Mixed alright but not ore.

Clue: The apprentices in my shipyard would hold fork lift truck races below decks on their lunch hour.

[Aktungbby]

:spammm::hmmm: Australian pokie spins??!!...could this be OP Tarjak?:timeout:

[Aktungbby]

built by Inglis?

[Jimbuna]

Built on the Clyde at the same shipyard Billy Connolly served his apprenticeship at.

Seeing as you appear to be the only one currently interested here is another clue: She was manned by Hong Kong Chinese civilian crew.

[Aktungbby]

Built on the Clyde at the same shipyard Billy Connolly served his apprenticeship at.

Seeing as you appear to be the only one currently interested here is another clue: She was manned by Hong Kong Chinese civilian crew. A fellow 'Wegian', he worked at Govan shipyards which was started after 1972 and purchased from Fairfield shipyard ...your vessel 'built in the 60's'' must therefore have been built at Fairfield shipyard:hmmm: now that I've led the lurkers to the promised shipyard....:D

[Jimbuna]

A fellow 'Wegian', he worked at Govan shipyards which was started after 1972 and purchased from Fairfield shipyard ...your vessel 'built in the 60's'' must therefore have been built at Fairfield shipyard:hmmm: now that I've led the lurkers to the promised shipyard....:D


Definitely not Fairfield.

Connolly was born in 1942 and started his apprenticeship at the age of 16 as has always been the norm in the UK (as I did also).

So that makes it 1958 by my reckoning.

It was after the successful completion of said apprenticeship that he went to work for the Clydebank yard of John Brown & Co.

I'm curious as to where you get Fairfield from :hmmm:

[Buddahaid]

Oh I'm paying attention, and lurking, but I don't have the time to spend digging.

[Aktungbby]

As a long-haired, banjo-playing, bead-wearing welder, Sir Billy Connolly admits he stood out like a sore thumb in the tough Govan shipyard where he served his apprenticeship.

The Big Yin, who worked as a boilerman by day and a folk singer by night, revealed he was given a hard time by his burly co-workers, who branded him “gay” due to his bizarre appearance and effeminate skin-tight costumes.

But despite the constant ribbing and cat-calling, Billy loved every minute he spent as a welder and credits his time at Alexander Stephen and Sons for inspiring him to become a comedian Found under "Billy Connoly's shipyard employers":D Obviously he worked his way up and
down the River Clyde's shipyards! @ Jimbuna:The company was formed in 1972 by way of a purchase of the former Fairfield Shipyard in Govan from Sir Robert Smith, Liquidator of Upper Clyde Shipbuilders (UCS), itself a product of the amalgamation of several Clydeside yards; Fairfields, Alex Stephens, Charles Connell and Company, Yarrow Shipbuilders Ltd. and John Browns.[1]

[Aktungbby]

Oh I'm paying attention, and lurking, but I don't have the time to spend digging. speaking of boilermakers: Be careful doing your job https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/explosion-at-va-hospital-investigated-no-word-on-injuries/

[Jimbuna]

So there we have it. The ship in question was built by the Stephens yard.

[Jimbuna]

Oh I'm paying attention, and lurking, but I don't have the time to spend digging.

No problem but perhaps you should ask yourself why the vessel in question was manned by s Hong Kong Chinese civilian crew.

It certainly surprised me when I first went aboard her and was advised it was quite the norm for such vessels.

[Aktungbby]

Clue: Approximately half the size and a distinctly different type of cargo.Half the size(tonnage & length) of MV Cedarbank? and races with forklifts...a car ferry?

[Jimbuna]

Half the size(tonnage & length) of MV Cedarbank? and races with forklifts...a car ferry?

Don't get hung up on the size and tonnage because I only mean roughly approximately.

Clue: A ship manned by civilians to aid a military arm.

A bonus clue: Made the worldwide news on a specific day because of a specific event.

[Aktungbby]

Don't get hung up on the size and tonnage because I only mean roughly approximately.

Clue: A ship manned by civilians to aid a military arm.

A bonus clue: Made the worldwide news on a specific day because of a specific event. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Galahad82.jpg She was first managed for the British Army by the British-India Steam Navigation Company, before being transferred in 1970 to the RFA, and was manned by Hong Kong Chinese civilian crew.[1] RFA Sir Galahad. sunk by enemy action in Falklands

[Jimbuna]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Galahad82.jpg

Yes indeed and very well done, the RFA Sir Galahad :yeah:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFA_Sir_Galahad_(1966)

https://i.postimg.cc/25JfBvHf/Galahad82.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

There were dozens of clues yet to come if needed but I won't bore anyone with the tales I could tell. I worked on the other five of the Round Table class as well prior to the Falklands conflict.

Over to you Sir :salute:

[Jimbuna]

RFA Sir Galahad. sunk by enemy action in Falklands

Sorry but I've just noticed the above and that is not quite true. She was badly damaged due to an air attack on 8th June and on 21 June, the hulk was towed out to sea by the RMAS Tug Typhoon and sunk by HMS Onyx using torpedoes.

[Aktungbby]

Yes indeed and very well done, ...and an Aussie pokie spammer interdicted into the bargain! :yeah: I'll have something shortly...

[Aktungbby]

Sorry but I've just noticed the above and that is not quite true. She was badly damaged due to an air attack on 8th June and on 21 June, the hulk was towed out to sea by the RMAS Tug Typhoon and sunk by HMS Onyx using torpedoes. I read that too: A little beyond damaged methinks; as opposed to scuttled 13 days later On 8 June 1982 while preparing to unload soldiers from the Welsh Guards in Port Pleasant, off Fitzroy, together with RFA Sir Tristram, the Sir Galahad was attacked by three Skyhawks from Argentine Air Force's V Brigada Aérea, each loaded with three 500 lb retarding tail bombs.[3] At approximately 14:00 local time, Sir Galahad was hit by two or three bombs and set alight.[4] A total of 48 soldiers and crewmen were killed in the explosions and subsequent fire.[5] Her captain, Philip Roberts, waited until the last minute to abandon ship and was the last to leave.[6] He was subsequently awarded the DSO for his leadership and courage.[6] Chiu Yiu-Nam, a seaman on Sir Galahad, was awarded the George Medal for rescuing ten men trapped by a fire in the bowels of the ship IE: imho when the captain abandons ship...alles Kaput!:yep: Hiryu and Yorktown were similarly dispatched.

[Catfish]

I never thought of a military ship, with the crew mentioned.
And Stephens yard, there seem to have been several with this name but none seemed to fit. And, after 1932?
Even checked this site, but also did not seem to fit.. :hmmm:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Stephen_and_Sons
In 1968, Stephens was incorporated into Upper Clyde Shipbuilders[5] and was closed after the latter organisation collapsed in 1971.[6] The engineering and ship repair elements of Alexander Stephen & Sons were not part of the UCS merger and continued until 1976, with the Company eventually wound up in 1982, when the shareholders were repaid.
Somehow misread this and thought the company had seized to exist long before, or changed its name.
Well done Aktung :)

[Aktungbby]

I never thought of a military ship, with the crew mentioned.
And Stephens yard, there seem to have been several with this name but none seemed to fit. And, after 1932?
Even checked this site, but also did not seem to fit.. :hmmm:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Stephen_and_Sons
In 1968, Stephens was incorporated into Upper Clyde Shipbuilders[5] and was closed after the latter organisation collapsed in 1971.[6] The engineering and ship repair elements of Alexander Stephen & Sons were not part of the UCS merger and continued until 1976, with the Company eventually wound up in 1982, when the shareholders were repaid.
Somehow misread this and thought the company had seized (ceased) :know: to exist long before, or changed its name.
Well done Aktung :) Thanks! once I got the vastness of Sir Billy's boilermaking down, I examined all the '60s built Alexander shipyard vessels: and out of curiosity, realized I didn't even know what a 'royal fleet auxillary logistics vessel' ie RFA was...so presto there it was!:yeah: I could go for a boiler maker https://www.bing.com/th?id=AMMS_991b1edc126112d5dd5ecf636d3fee08&w=200&h=160&c=7&rs=1&qlt=80&cdv=1&pid=16.1:Kaleun_Cheers: myself right now! 671 Cargo Vessel MV Iberic 1960
672 Tanker TSS British Bombardier 1962
673 Cargo Vessel MV Antrim 1962
674 Frigate HMS Zulu 1962
675 Passenger Refrigerated Cargo Vessel TSS Chuscal 1960
676 Refrigerated Cargo Vessel MV Piako 1961
677 Passenger Cargo Vessel MV Dumurra 1961
678 Passenger Cargo Vessel MV Markhor 1962
679 Passenger Cargo Vessel MV Mahout 1963
680 Passenger Vessel TSS Avalon 1963
681 Frigate HMS Phoebe 1964
682 Dredger se Skitter Ness 1963
683 Dredger Bangka 1 1965
684 Passenger Cargo Vessel MV Zealandic 1964
685 Cargo Vessel MV Melbrook 1964
686 Dredger de Severodvinski 1965
687 Dredger de Onezhskiy 1965
688 Dredger de Arabatski 1966
689 Dredger Nassau Bay 1966
690 Royal Fleet Auxiliary Logistics Vessel RFA Sir Galahad 1966
691 Royal Fleet Auxiliary Logistics Vessel RFA Sir Geraint 1967
692 Dredger Nikarshaka 1967
693 Sewait 1967
694 Sahayak 1967
695 Refrigerated Cargo Vessel MV Majestic 1966
696 Refrigerated Cargo Vessel MV Brittanic 1967
697 Frigate HMS Hermione 1967
698 Dredger Ribbok 1967
700 Refrigerated Cargo Vessel MV Port Chalmers 1967
701 Refrigerated Cargo Vessel MV Port Caroline 1968

[Aktungbby]

Whats these? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11607

[Catfish]

Related with colonies?

[Aktungbby]

IF you mean a subservient political entity, the answer would be yes.

[Catfish]

?
I mean related to a colony in the classic sense like one of those of the empires, british colonies, american colonies, german colonies.
So is it related to a british colony?

[Jimbuna]

I never thought of a military ship, with the crew mentioned.


Aye, I honestly thought that would lead people down the wrong path but the crew (cooks and laundrymen in particular) were from what was at the time the British colony of Hong Kong.