Who / What / Where Game

[Jimbuna]

I wouldn't have thought so.

CLUE: Try thinking closer to home, historically.

[Aktungbby]

closer to homegerman WWII tank with Zimmerrit anti-mine coating..."very powerful"...:hmmm: Tiger II (angular glacis)?

[Catfish]

^ Yep just found it :yep:

[Jimbuna]

german WWII tank with Zimmerrit anti-mine coating..."very powerful"...:hmmm: Tiger II (angular glacis)?

At long last but not a Tiger II

^ Yep just found it :yep:

Not quite :)

[Aktungbby]

Tiger I?:k_confused:

[Jimbuna]

Nope :haha:

Look back in the clues for the bang on giveaway.

[Catfish]

Sturmgeschuetz (StuG 3) ?

[Jimbuna]

Nope and I once built a Tamiya 1/35 scale model of one :03:

CLUE: I've made two references to what should now be a major giveaway already.

[Catfish]

Panther?

[Jimbuna]

Sorry Kai but no cigar.

I honestly thought you would be on it very quickly.

CLUE: There are not many left today and there certainly isn't one in the UK such as Bovington Tank Museum for example.

[Catfish]

There were at least 26 different tanks, storm guns and Moersers with zimmerite..

Porsche?

[Aktungbby]

Stürmpanzer IV Brummbär? Buildings at Stalingrad were certainly a consideration...and the Warsaw Ghetto I believe. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

There were at least 26 different tanks, storm guns and Moersers with zimmerite..

Porsche?

Shows I chose well then :03:

Stürmpanzer IV Brummbär?

Bingo! and the two clues to buildings was down to the fact they were used during the Warsaw Uprising as well as many other theatres of action.

https://i.postimg.cc/MG0mFg5h/Sturmpanzer-Brummbar-Saumur.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Over to you :salute:

[Aktungbby]

Anytime and old 70 year-old can ace out T.H.E. Cat on Teutonic Armor turf stuff, I'm having a good day! Thank god I played Panzer Elite for decades and did my homework! I recalled this pic from 20+ years ago!!??> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/27/f4/2c/27f42c3e317ae8327ce0de614b330308.jpg:O: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?pictureid=12089&albumid=815&dl=1635018081&thumb=1 < What's this?

[Catfish]

Nope and I once built [...]
CLUE: I've made two references to what should now be a major giveaway already.
That's why i thought of a StuG, made for obliterating houses.. congrats to Aktung :03:

Apart from that the Porsche Tiger Sturmgeschuetz was the essential house killer used back then.

The "Brummbaer" used either 38 kg explosive bullet (against buildings and enemy fortifications, usually three bullets destroyed any building (where a later Porsche Storm Tiger needed only one), or a 25 kg hollow bullet (to destroy armoured enemy crafts).

First use was in mission 'Zitadelle' (1943 against Soviet forces in the Kursk salient against russian fortifications).

Not mich are left, 1 in Russia, 1 in Germany Munster tank museum. Well amoured, excellent punch, only 306 in all were built, with that number surely not "kriegsentscheidend" against ten thousands of enemies.

The Sturmpanzer IV "Brummbaer's" correct designation is:
Gerät 581
Sturmpanzerwagen 60416
Allkett (a company meaning 'alltrack')
SiG auf Panzer IV (SiG gun on Panzer IV chassis)
mit kardanischem Fahrwerk (with cardanic chassis frame)

No wonder they just called it "StuPa" (Sturm Panzer) or "Brummbaer" (~Buzz Bear) :03:

It was also used to destroy enemy tanks, but the short 15 cm gun had a specal ballistic curve to hit far away targets, a task it was not designed for.

[Catfish]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?pictureid=12089&albumid=815&dl=1635018081&thumb=1 [COLOR="Lime"]< What's this?[/QUOTE]

a screw/propellor?

[Aktungbby]

a screw/propellor?of a sort; designed to prove a fluid concept...:hmmm:

[Catfish]

so is t real or is it a computer simulation?

[Aktungbby]

it is real and generally aligned with the most powerful force on earth...or the heavens for that matter...in theory.:yep:

[Jimbuna]

A screw from an Ohio-class SSBN submarine?

[Aktungbby]

not likely, not unless it's made from a 3D printer

[Jimbuna]

Space related?

[Aktungbby]

not at the time the theory involving the item's use was concieved.

[Jimbuna]

Sea related?

[Aktungbby]

Only when dropped in salt water above 273.15 K, but below 373.15 K:know:

[Rockstar]

Anything to do with Lorentz Force?

[Aktungbby]

Very vaguely as one of the 2 subsequent British mathematical describers of Lorentz Force https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Lorentz_force_particle.svg/300px-Lorentz_force_particle.svg.png also conceived of a theory of motion involving the puzzle's device and both theories were of the same era. Big hint: the theory involving the gizmo in the puzzle has been shown to be invalid....:hmmm: You're on the scent; keep sniffin'!:yep:

[Jimbuna]

Is this submarine related?

[Aktungbby]

nope

[mapuc]

Just jumping in to say:

It will be interesting to know what it is, ´cause I have absolutely no clue whatsoever.

For me they look like Radar/Satellite dishes

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Just jumping in to say:

It will be interesting to know what it is, ´cause I have absolutely no clue whatsoever.

For me they look like Radar/Satellite dishes

Markus Well Radar dishes turn.... apparently this did not; as originally theorized by the Brit in question: already referred to Thrice in the posts above:yep:

[Jimbuna]

Dambusters related?

[Aktungbby]

nope...theory conceived of in the previous 19th century; but like the dambuster's bouncing cylinders, involved a theory of kinetic motion involving fluid...but in the vertical; not the horizontal as with the laterally traveling bombs. Nor was it involved with weaponry. Big hint: I've referred twice in above posts to the theorist's name and was a Brit.:yep:

[Jimbuna]

Sorry but I'm presently clueless.

[Aktungbby]

good Lord! What's British and can tell the temperature.?:O:

[Jimbuna]

Langmuir probe?

[Aktungbby]

Nope, solid plastic; and can be dropped into fluids to test motion theory....:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Some kind of thermometer?

[Aktungbby]

not at all. The 150 year old theory by Brit mathmetician focuses on drag coefficients in a viscous fluid.

[Buddahaid]

Viscometer?

[Aktungbby]

What is the working principle of viscometer?
Image result for viscometer
These viscometers use the principle of 'rotational viscometry', i.e. their measurement of product viscosity is based upon immersing a specifically selected spindle within a sample of the product followed by measurement of the torque required to rotate the spindle at a set speed whilst immersed within the product sample ...You're getting there; but this is
not a measuring device; more a visual device. Here's another view:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12096

[Buddahaid]

Sightglass flow indicator?

[Aktungbby]

nope

[d@rk51d3]

Well Radar dishes turn.... apparently this did not; as originally theorized by the Brit in question: already referred to Thrice in the posts above:yep:

So, something to do with Lord Kelvin then?

[Aktungbby]

Bingo! you're on the scent!

[Jimbuna]

Kelvin water dropper?

[Aktungbby]

/\ nope! A project of Lord Kelvin indeed; but one that didn't use electricity, and was unsuccessful. The spherical bladed object was intended to move in a certain fashion as it descended through a fluid filled tubular container.

[Jimbuna]

Sounding machine/echo sounder?

[Aktungbby]

no machinery involved; just drop it in viscous fluid and observe the motion...if any, chiral interaction with fluid; as proposed in 1871:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Lord Kelvin’s isotropic helicoid?

https://i.postimg.cc/9XYJGLJz/download.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

BINGO!over to U!:Kaleun_Salute:https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/188/960/3c1.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/188/951/681.png

[Jimbuna]

Okay then, what is this?

https://i.postimg.cc/V6Q5LBtc/ththhhh.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

wood?

[Jimbuna]

No so far as I can ascertain.

[Buddahaid]

Petrified wood?

[Jimbuna]

Petrified wood?

No wood involved.

[Catfish]

Stone/Rock?

[Jimbuna]

Concrete

[Catfish]

Looks quite rough .. military connection?

[Jimbuna]

Looks quite rough .. military connection?

Definitely a military connection and one of the materials used is described as being 'rough concrete'

[mapuc]

Some type of bunker ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

in Britain?

[Jimbuna]

Some type of bunker ?

Markus

in Britain?

No to both.

[Aktungbby]

in Europe?

[Jimbuna]

In Europe

[Catfish]

WW2?

[Jimbuna]

WW2?

Most definitely :yep:

[Aktungbby]

german?

[Jimbuna]

Nein

[Aktungbby]

French?

[Jimbuna]

Non

[mapuc]

An idea on our rules in this Who/What/Where game.

If a person gets a no/non/nein as the answer they must wait until some other have asked a question or tried to guess.

If the answer is yes they can ask the next question and do so until they get a no or guess who,what or where it is.

Just an idea.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

So obey your own new rule and ask!:O: or do U deign to play?:haha:

[Catfish]

A kind of gun emplacement?

[Jimbuna]

A kind of gun emplacement?

Closest yet.

CLUE: Static, does not move.

[Catfish]

Hm i thought of Denmark, but the site i think of was built by Germany :hmmm:

Italian?

[Jimbuna]

No but you are getting geographically closer.

[Aktungbby]

Mediterranean island?

[Catfish]

Norway?

[Jimbuna]

Mediterranean island?

Has a Med coastline.

[Jimbuna]

Norway?

Further south.

CLUE: Even though WW2 related, didn't exist till later in the 20th century.

[Aktungbby]

Has a Med coastline.African side?

[Catfish]

Greece?

[Aktungbby]

^Its all greek to you!:O:

[Jimbuna]

African side?

No further north.

[Jimbuna]

Greece?

Getting close.

[Catfish]

Monument Podgaric, Croatia?

[Jimbuna]

Monument Podgaric, Croatia?

Hot as mustard Kai :yeah:

https://i.postimg.cc/T2FwR8ZD/1280px-Spomenik-revoluciji-Podgaric.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
http://architectuul.com/architecture/memorial-to-the-revolution-of-the-people-of-moslavina

Over to you :salute:

[Catfish]

Thanks Jim. Phew, was a kind of a wild guess, but "to do with WW2" but "did not exist until later" :)
^Its all greek to you!:O:
Croatian is even more greek to me than greek itself :O:


Ok what is this ..

https://i.imgur.com/VsdJ1AYm.jpg

[Jimbuna]

The front end of a vehicle?

[Catfish]

^ No

[Jimbuna]

A ship?

[Catfish]

^ Yes

[Aktungbby]

skylight over ship's cabin: illuminated at night?

[Jimbuna]

Warship?

[Catfish]

@Aktungbby: I do not see what you mean :hmmm:, this is not a skylight.
edit ah i see what you mean, no.

@Jim: Yes

[Aktungbby]

old time sailing ship?

[Aktungbby]

@Aktungbby: I do not see what you mean :hmmm:, this is not a skylight.
edit ah i see what you mean, no.

@Jim: Yes https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/NWPpOZpeeKJP20MdIbp7aKVb-8fMs8qKA0aXbVxmhk7IZwRhXpeOEIuBf--yeW6yqoEDqQwJoraWtKx1KxgoIq5pHcDqdwX2p21FSFy6gN_Te GrDZ4CZSw5KRQw0uj8bUT6uH-brVTe7vA75ZmD7xABMfg HMS Victory? note skylight on poop deck!

[Catfish]

ok, but not such a thing

[Catfish]

old time sailing ship?
First yes and second no. But .. two questions.

[Aktungbby]

German?

[Catfish]

^ not german

[Jimbuna]

Royal Navy?

[Catfish]

^ no

[Jimbuna]

Spanish?

[Catfish]

^ no

[Jimbuna]

Italian?

[Catfish]

no.


hint: not european

[Jimbuna]

American?

[Catfish]

Yes!

[Jimbuna]

USS Constitution?

[Catfish]

No..

[Jimbuna]

A Frigate?

[Catfish]

It is not a frigate, as said befoe it is not a sailing ship..

[Aktungbby]

coal burning steam vessel?

[Catfish]

Do not know exactly, my guess would be no coal.
It is a steam vessel

[Aktungbby]

1800's?

[Catfish]

Yes

[Aktungbby]

armoured cruiser?

[Catfish]

armed and armoured, yes. twoooo questions lol

not a 'cruiser', btw do you know of unarmoured cruisers?

[Aktungbby]

FYI: the USS Maine and sister ship USS Texas are classed as armoured cruisers both built prior to 1900. Does your vessel have turrets?

[Catfish]

No turrets

[Aktungbby]

Post Civil War?

[Catfish]

No.

[Aktungbby]

pre-Civil War?:doh:

[Catfish]

pre-Civil War?:doh:
No!
This leaves only one time interval :haha:

[Aktungbby]

union ironclad?

[Catfish]

FYI: the USS Maine and sister ship USS Texas are classed as armoured cruisers both built prior to 1900. [...]
Thanks, yes. But i think that every cruiser was armoured, even if it left a lot to be desired, just like with the later Light Crusisers of the RN.
Just looked for the »Texas«, i think those early ships look gorgeous.. once built a model of the USS Olympia in similar colours with white and yellow, not this ugly battleship grey. http://www.nhgallery.org/uss-maine/

The ship in question was never called a cruiser, had no turrets, and was of an entirely different build than the »Maine«, or »Texas«. Also earlier.

[Catfish]

union ironclad?
Yes, sort of.
Hint: One name is enough, it had two ..

[Aktungbby]

invented by fulton?

[Catfish]

No.
edit i do not know, but i do not think so.

Hint: It was not called an ironclad.

[Catfish]

Sry just read it was built before the war with its first name.
The name was changed in the war.
Not initially designed as a warship of any kind.

[Aktungbby]

screw or paddle wheeler?

[Catfish]

Paddle, side.

[Aktungbby]

used on mississippi river?

[Catfish]

^ Yep!

[Aktungbby]

used as warship or hospital ship?

[Catfish]

Used as a warship, saw a lot of action in the western rivers operations

[Aktungbby]

captured Confederate vessel?

[Catfish]

No, Union all the time.
Had a special role or deployment, in the war.

edit: the "armour" is not very strong ..

[Aktungbby]

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44639798?seq=17#metadata_info_tab_contents Not coming up with anything...yet:hmmm: https://books.google.com/books?id=wqWdCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=Name+changes+to++civil+war++paddlewheelers&source=bl&ots=Yhe7zFcNKw&sig=ACfU3U3mKjiiYeDL6KL0W5cv9vgDQC37AA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj66uCTvpP0AhW4IjQIHfpjApYQ6AF6BAgoEAM#v =onepage&q=Name%20changes%20to%20%20civil%20war%20%20paddle wheelers&f=false < TAA DAA! (persistence pays off!) the The New Uncle Sam: built in 1848; renamed the USS Blackhawk was luxury paddle wheeler till purchased and used as Adm. David Porter's flagship(retaining luxury fittings?!!) in the inland riverine war to cut the Confederacy in half. It uniquely carried an observation balloon. Although armed with 6 large ordinance pieces: Two thirty-two pounder smoothbores, two thirty pounder Parrott rifles and two twelve pounders, it only fired once in anger once at Haynes Bluff Mississippi in April 1863...being deemed too valuable to risk in combat. https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/images/h00001/h00499.jpg:Kaleun_Salute: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/USS_Black_Hawk_CW01.jpg

[Catfish]

^ Yes, this is it, former »New Uncle Sam«, then »Black Hawk«, Admiral Porter's flagship ! :up:

One of the first brownwater navy warships , called "gunboat", or "tinclad".

"USS Black Hawk, a 902-ton side-wheel "Tinclad" river gunboat, was built at New Albany, Indiana, in 1857 as the civilian steamboat New Uncle Sam. She was purchased by the Navy in November 1862 and commissioned the following month under her original name. Soon renamed Black Hawk, her large size made her especially suitable for employment as the Mississippi Squadron flagship, and she served in that capacity under Rear Admirals David Dixon Porter and Samuel Phillips Lee.

Black Hawk participated in most of the major Western Rivers operations during the remainder of the Civil War, including the long campaign against Vicksburg in December 1862 to July 1863, the capture of Fort Hindman in January 1863, the attack on Haines Bluff in April-May 1863 and the Red River campaign in 1864.

On 22 April 1865, as the great conflict was coming to an end, Black Hawk accidently burned and sank near Cairo, Illinois. Her wreck was salvaged and sold in 1867."

Photo detail was from here (further south on the page):
http://www.mkwe.com/ohio/pages/h009-01.htm

Some more..

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-b/blk-hwk.htm

https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/nh-1---nh-3067/nh-400---nh-499/nh-499-uss-black-hawk--1862-1865-.html

https://hd.housedivided.dickinson.edu/node/40978#

@Aktungbby Well done, you really deserved the win with your tenacity – over to you :salute:

[Aktungbby]

@Aktungbby Well done, you really deserved the win with your tenacity – over to you One good turn deserves another!:salute: What's this? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12189

[Jimbuna]

Animal?

[mapuc]

It looks like a closeup picture of a bulls nose.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Animal?yes!

It looks like a closeup picture of a bulls nose.

Markuslooks like?:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Llama?

[Aktungbby]

Damn! "You're in the'hood now bro'! "not a llama; but in a peculiar way U R on the right track...and Perusin' correctly!? Big hint: it's not an alpaca nor a vicuña either.:o

[Jimbuna]

Four-legged?

[Aktungbby]

nope

[Catfish]

An owl?

[Aktungbby]

nope

[Catfish]

Bird?

[Aktungbby]

yes

[Catfish]

Himalayan griffon vulture?

[Jimbuna]

Geranoaetus?

[Aktungbby]

Himalayan griffon vulture?nope; wrong continent

Geranoaetus?nope... I had to look that one up! You're in the right neighborhood...now just get closer to the coast. Big hint: one made it to Hawaii!!

[Catfish]

North American?

[Aktungbby]

nope...Jimbuna's already got ithe geography narrowed down! Seldom seen north of Ecuador.

[Catfish]

A buzzard type?

[Aktungbby]

It eats live critters

[Catfish]

^ insects or larger prey, like monkeys?

[Aktungbby]

anchovies and other small critters of the Humbolt Current.

[Jimbuna]

Buteo solitarius?

[Aktungbby]

not a hawk, buzzard or eagle; this bird eats small shallow-swimming seafood on the fly while skimming close to the surface in the Humbolt Current...lives at low altitude...the hungry one that made it to Hawaii(Oahu in 2020)was a fluke (but this critter doesn't nibble whales' tails either:O: and that's putting it Blythely)

[Jimbuna]

Plumbeous kite?

[Aktungbby]

Too far north; strictly western coast of Sud America south of Ecuador for 1000+ miles . The plombeous kite has similar coloring(you're in the grey zone):yeah: but it's bill doesn't match it's feet and it has no bigotes magnificos!

[Catfish]

i found no image with a close frontal view, but could it be this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX43SMHE7gM

[Aktungbby]

One good turn deserves another!but in a peculiar way U R on the right track...and Perusin' correctly!?https://static.munchable.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Inca-tern-birds-768x402.jpg The Inca tern is one of the world’s most beautiful and interesting birds. It occurs along the Pacific Coast from northern Peru to central Chile. This bird is easily recognizable with its dark gray body, and red-orange beak and claws, and its lovely white moustache. It is an adept flier that swoops and hovers before it dives after its prey. It sometimes plucks pieces of fish out from between sea lions’ teeth. Unfortunately, their populations are declining quickly because of the loss of nesting sites. It was amply described by the English ornithologist Edward Blyth. Well done Catfish!:Kaleun_Salute: the Inca Tern its with great mustachios! bigotes magnificos! over 2 U :yep: I was running out of
hints this wouldda been my next one https://youtu.be/W4ga_M5Zdn4 :shucks:

[Catfish]

Well i still was not sure, your detail photo did somehow not match, i indeed had the inca tern on the list but ignored it - due to the mismatch colour..

Got the hint with Peru of course, but when the bigote word fell i remembered this mustachio'ed bird.. learned a lot about south american birds in the last days lol


Ok the next is a bit mean(?), but .. what's the name of the thing in the middle?

https://i.imgur.com/5gypCxcm.jpg

[Aktungbby]

pure vengeance for my tedious Perusal of Missouri (Far West)and Mississippi (Blackhawk) river boats!:O: Is your puzzle space related?

[Catfish]

pure vengeance for my tedious Perusal of Missouri (Far West)and Mississippi (Blackhawk) river boats!:O:
I'm a bit of a US western history nut when it comes to steamboats and locomotives, especially early 4-4-0s :03:
Is your puzzle space related?
Oh yes!

[mapuc]

Artificial ?

Markus

[Catfish]

Artificial ?
Markus
Yes.

[Jimbuna]

From a film?

[Catfish]

Not from a film. Unfortunately.

[Aktungbby]

a real spacecraft?

[Jimbuna]

Used in a docking operation?

[mapuc]

Russian ?

Markus

[Catfish]

a real spacecraft?
No.

@Jim: not a docking operation

@Mapuc: not russian

[mapuc]

Satellite ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Costume jewellery?

[Catfish]

Satellite ?
Markus
Not a satellite.

@Jim not costume jewellery :haha:

hint. with not a real spacecraft i mean it is fictional.

[mapuc]

From a book Written by some well known sci-fi author ?

Markus

[Catfish]

^ Exactly :)

[Aktungbby]

Scene from Kubric's 2001 A Space Odyssey based on Clark's short story: The Sentinal?

[Catfish]

No.

edit: There is a similarity to 'Space odissey' as far as centripetal force is being used for artificial "gravity", in the outer ring.

[mapuc]

As I understand it, we need to find the title or the name of the author and thereby get what Catfish want us to guess what's in the picture.

Could be wrong though

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Ok the next is a bit mean(?), but .. what's the name of the thing in the middle?

https://i.imgur.com/5gypCxcm.jpg

:salute:

[Aktungbby]

https://videos.pond5.com/space-ship-interstellar-flight-footage-054096642_main_xxl.mp4 From a game?

[Catfish]

^ hm can you tell me where this clip is from? I have no idea which game this is.
The scene depicted in the riddle has never been turned into a game, or a film as far as i know. Which is a pity, but maybe someone now did? :hmmm:

The ship in your clip looks a bit like that in the riddle (though some differences), so.. where is this from?


As I understand it, we need to find the title or the name of the author and thereby get what Catfish want us to guess what's in the picture. Could be wrong though
Markus
You are perfectly right. Knowing the author and even better the story will help you find the name asked for, as Jim also wrote.

[Catfish]

small hint: some authors lend their stories to film makers, one of this author's story ideas (not the one depicted here) was used for Star Trek.

[Buddahaid]

Larry Niven's Ringworld?

[Catfish]

Two questions..
Larry Niven is correct.

edit: okok. The author is correct, but the scene does not take place in 'Ringworld'. For the initiated, the scene *does* take place in Niven's "Known space" universe.

[Buddahaid]

A Slaver ship?

[Catfish]

No.
The slavers play no part in this story, but one of Niven's stories about the slavers made it to Star Trek: 'The soft weapon'.

[Buddahaid]

Yes, I jumped too far. The answer is Angel's Pencil ship.

[Catfish]

Yes, I jumped too far. The answer is Angel's Pencil ship.
This is it, the »Angel's Pencil« from Larry Niven's short story "The Warriors". :up:

Earth is trying to spread out colonies in the early years of space flight, with sub-lightspeed ships like the 'Pencil'; Niven describes it "like a pencil with a turning bracelet", and this is how it looks like, almost as in the video posted by Aktung further north.
Here is a demo depiction of the ship itself (only two spokes though, wrong..):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iCNNU8w6Wo

It is a turning away from the probably naive thinking that alien contact will be necessarily peaceful, after any civilisation having reached a certain level of education and technology.

So Niven is introducing the "Kzin", an aggressive feline-like alien race, and making first contact with them mankind is up to a rude awakening. The Pencil has no weapons of any kind aboard, indeed the sheer thinking of fighting has been tried to be eradicated from human thought on earth, with wars and history being concocted.

When the Kzin find out the Pencil is defenseless they try to kill the humans without damaging the ship too much by overheating it; and the human crew trying to make contact all the time via radio, becomes aware of the attack.
The Kzin ship is far more advanced than the human's, and using telepathy they know the Pencil has no weapons aboard. So they think it is easy prey.

Violating his peaceful education, one of the crew turns the ship around, starts the drive and directs it (also used as the ship's laser communication device) against the Kzin's »Tracker« ship, splitting them in half – which can be seen on the picture:

https://i.imgur.com/T44g9Arl.jpg

What i found hilarious is that the crew has a nervous breakdown afterwards, because they just had killed someone, which violates all they knew, their education and their psychological conditioning. And they smoke still cigarettes in approximately 2355 C.E.. well why not.
When they transmit the news home (taking years due to light speed restraints) no one on earth believes them.

Full story is online and can be read here:
https://www.baen.com/Chapters/9781451639001/9781451639001___5.htm

I find Niven's stories always well thought out and intriguing :)


Sorry for being so late! Over to Buddahaid :salute:

[Jimbuna]

Well, I'll readily admit I was absolutely clueless :doh:

[Buddahaid]

Well, I'll readily admit I was absolutely clueless :doh:

I've read everything he wrote plus the Star Trek reference shortened the list of choices.

What does this belong to?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/4889/wv2E4c.png

[Jimbuna]

Dornier Do-X aircraft?

[Buddahaid]

Dornier Do-X aircraft?

Well yes. I guess that wasn't tricky enough.:Kaleun_Salute:

[Jimbuna]

Well yes. I guess that wasn't tricky enough.:Kaleun_Salute:

Simply lucky....I remembered seeing that picture not all that long ago :03:

[Aktungbby]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-10658%2C_Flugschiff_Dornier_%22Do_X%22%2C_Maschine nzentrale.jpg This was the shot I had recalled! But Jimbo beat me to
the draw!:salute:https://silentlondon.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/great-train-robbery.jpg:O:

[Jimbuna]

Okay then, what is this?

https://i.postimg.cc/7Z3P1Xd9/gnynhh.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Buddahaid]

Part of an F1 car?

[Jimbuna]

Not an F1 car.

[mapuc]

Train or part of a train is my first impression when I look at the picture.

Markus

[Catfish]

English?
Belay that.

Does the dark slim horizontal structure in the upper middle stand out from the left part/counterweight?

[Jimbuna]

Train or part of a train is my first impression when I look at the picture.

Markus

Not a train Markus.

[Jimbuna]

English?
Belay that.

Does the dark slim horizontal structure in the upper middle stand out from the left part/counterweight?

Only in the sense that it is painted like that.

Others were painted differently sometimes.

[Catfish]

no, i thought it could be the twin tail of a bomber, but for eg the Lancaster the upper middle dark streak at the top should be a counterweight, a wire holding it standing out from the rudder, cant see this on the photo...

[Jimbuna]

no, i thought it could be the twin tail of a bomber, but for eg the Lancaster the upper middle dark streak at the top should be a counterweight, a wire holding it standing out from the rudder, cant see this on the photo...

In that case I must offer my apologies and state you are actually spot on. The aircraft is in fact 'VeRA', one of only two still in flying condition and in which I had the good pleasure to be aboard during her visit to Teesside Airport back in 2014.

The bottom two photos (taken by a friend who is absolutely clueless at photography) were going to be offered as clues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Lancaster_FM213

https://i.postimg.cc/63pWc7mT/IMG-4399.jpg (https://postimg.cc/FfwXsKmQ)

https://i.postimg.cc/cCVddF48/IMG-4421.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/d1Nqxqb6/IMG-4422.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Over to you sir :salute:

[Catfish]

Thanks, just "back from the woods", what i meant is this "rudder mass balance tab" visible here:

https://i.imgur.com/parWJuYm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CJEKukum.jpg

In your photo it could have been a 'flat' hinge, so i was not sure ..

You had a chance to have a look inside! Great :up:

[Jimbuna]

Here are a few more shots to illustrate what you are referring too (obviously taken by me this time) :smug:

https://i.postimg.cc/nLy8jXf6/IMG-4279.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Lq3QG6XT)
https://i.postimg.cc/nVY8rVRP/IMG-4280.jpg (https://postimg.cc/w3v4bzdX)
https://i.postimg.cc/qMkP3fWM/IMG-4281.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NLzJ3ngW)

[mapuc]

< My favorite bombeplane from WWII

Markus

[Catfish]

Here are a few more shots to illustrate what you are referring too (obviously taken by me this time) :smug: [...]
Thanks for posting :salute:

[Catfish]

What's this?

https://i.imgur.com/v63ApUNm.jpg

[mapuc]

Part of a car ?

Markus

[Catfish]

Yes!

[mapuc]

French ?

Markus

[Catfish]

Yes!

[mapuc]

In the 50's ?

Markus

[Catfish]

Yes!

[mapuc]

I rest my case and let others take over.

Markus

[Catfish]

What? You were asking all the right questions :hmmm:

[mapuc]

What? You were asking all the right questions :hmmm:


I also know or are pretty sure the car is unique.

The reason is I don't want to win-I had the ball once never again.

Markus

[Catfish]

The car is not 'unique'.

[Aktungbby]

Citroen?

[Jimbuna]

A 2CV?

https://i.postimg.cc/WzS2nqF3/citroen-2-cv-18.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

Sorry for being late once more, I just did not quite understand Mapuc :hmmm:

@Aktung: yes a Citroen..

@Jim: that's it, the Citroen 2CV "Deux chevaux" in its second form, from the 1950ies. At least it now had two headlights ..

https://i.imgur.com/JojwU89m.jpg

Over to Jim :salute:

[Jimbuna]

8pm here so it'll be tomorrow morning chaps :salute:

[Jimbuna]

Anyone know what this is?

https://i.postimg.cc/Wzk0h5gP/ggnggnng.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

^ I somehow doubt it is a car, but .. ist it a car?
Well, I'll readily admit I was absolutely clueless :doh:
Glad to see i'm not the only one :o

[Jimbuna]

Not a car but I have you down as the current favourite to find the correct answer :03:

[Aktungbby]

does it have wheels?

[mapuc]

Some type of airplane ?
(It looks like a tyre)

Markus

[Jimbuna]

does it have wheels?

It does.

[Aktungbby]

piston engined?

[Jimbuna]

Nope

[mapuc]

Amfibier ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

A wheeled frog? :o

[Aktungbby]

jet engine?

[Jimbuna]

Nope

[Catfish]

Does it have an engine at all?

[Jimbuna]

Yes

[Aktungbby]

steam engine?

[Jimbuna]

Afraid not.

CLUE: I took the picture.

[mapuc]

Since you didn't answer my question whether it was some type of
airplane I can't ask if it's a kind of a glider.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Since you didn't answer my question whether it was some type of
airplane I can't ask if it's a kind of a glider.

Markus

Apologies Markus, I must have missed that and yes it is an aeroplane.