Who / What / Where Game

[mapuc]

It's looks like a part of a cathedral

Markus

[skidman]

Yes it is a cathedral.

[mapuc]

I'm pretty sure it isn't but
the word cologne(City) pops up every time I see the picture

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Gothic I believe so how about France?

[skidman]

Not in Cologne and not in France. But it is early Gothic and construction began in the 12th century.

[Aktungbby]

in Germany?

[Jimbuna]

Spain?

[skidman]

Not in Germany, not in Spain. The place is darker and colder.

[Aktungbby]

Norway?

[skidman]

Yep.

[Aktungbby]

What and where is this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wj7gnfyohyikibp/dt.png?raw=1

It's looks like a part of a cathedral

Markus

Gothic I believe so how about France?

Norway?

Yep. Nidaros Cathedral Tondheim, Norway https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Nidaros_Cathedral%2C_Trondheim%2C_West_view_201506 05_1.jpg/800px-Nidaros_Cathedral%2C_Trondheim%2C_West_view_201506 05_1.jpg

[skidman]

Yes it's the Nidarosdom in Trondheim. A lovely little town in the summer. But summer is very short up there.

Over to Aktung :salute:

[Aktungbby]

What's this? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11490

[Jimbuna]

Lena Blackburne Baseball Rubbing Mud?

[skidman]

A product for gardeners?

[Jimbuna]

A product for gardeners?

Two posts up.

https://i.postimg.cc/gjpPFnj5/open1lb.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[skidman]

Two posts up.

https://i.postimg.cc/gjpPFnj5/open1lb.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I thought you were joking. Rubbing mud, eh? Baseball is a weird kind of sport me thinks.

[Aktungbby]

Lena Blackburne Baseball Rubbing Mud?
JEEZE! Did I give it away somehow? I tought this would be a tuffy. THAT's IT! used by every major league baseball team in America. Before all major- (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball) and minor-league baseball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_League_Baseball) games, an umpire or clubhouse attendant rubs six dozen or more balls with the mud to give them a rougher surface, to make them easier for pitchers to grip, and to comply with MLB Rule 4.01(c), which states that all baseballs shall be "properly rubbed so that the gloss is removed." The rubbing mud's unique feature is that it is "very fine, like thick chocolate pudding" and it has been considered the "perfect baseball-rubbing mud" Over to Jimbuna. Or as they say in baseball..."You're UP!" :salute:

[skidman]

Before all major- and minor-league baseball games, an umpire or clubhouse attendant rubs six dozen or more balls with the mud to give them a rougher surface, to make them easier for pitchers to grip, and to comply with MLB Rule 4.01(c), which states that all baseballs shall be "properly rubbed so that the gloss is removed." The rubbing mud's unique feature is that it is "very fine, like thick chocolate pudding" and it has been considered the "perfect baseball-rubbing mud" [/COLOR]

And 2,75 pounds is just 65 bucks. Now that's a bargain.

[Aktungbby]

Gives new meaning to the old drinking toast: "Here's mud in your eye...Grasshopper! :Kaleun_Cheers:" ...and it's a true 'vertical' monopoly 'from the ground up':shucks:: ie :harvest the mud; package the mud; ship the mud. The MLB rules require it!:yeah:

[Jimbuna]

What is this and where would it be found?

https://i.postimg.cc/FKPTgyPr/lkjjj.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

A 'modern' sculpture?

[Aktungbby]

A WIND ERODED ROCK FORMATION?

[skidman]

A skull?

[mapuc]

My brain says it can be found in some area of the Arabic world or in the Southern part of Europe-especially those who was either occupied by the Arabs or had trade with them
(Of course this is not true)

Markus

[Jimbuna]

A 'modern' sculpture?

20th century.

[Jimbuna]

A WIND ERODED ROCK FORMATION?

A skull?

Neither unfortunately.

[Jimbuna]

My brain says it can be found in some area of the Arabic world or in the Southern part of Europe-especially those who was either occupied by the Arabs or had trade with them
(Of course this is not true)

Markus

You are correct Markus....it is not true :)

[Catfish]

Russian?

[Jimbuna]

Russian?

Nein

Clue: There are many countries and cities that have one.

[Aktungbby]

Nein

Clue: There are many countries and cities that have one.stone sculpture?

[Jimbuna]

stone sculpture?

The majority are as far as I'm aware.

[Catfish]

I thought it was concrete, but stone, ok.
A fountain?

[Aktungbby]

Nein

Clue: There are many countries and cities that have one.A war memorial?

[skidman]

Religious background?

[Jimbuna]

I thought it was concrete, but stone, ok.
A fountain?

Not a fountain.

[Jimbuna]

Religious background?

There is a religious connection.

A war memorial?


Yes

[Aktungbby]

WWI?

[Jimbuna]

Not just WWI

[Aktungbby]

Nein

Clue: There are many countries and cities that have one.In Germany? assuming 'nein' might be a subtle hint:hmmm:)

[Jimbuna]

Not Germany.

[Aktungbby]

France?

[Jimbuna]

Not Europe.

[Aktungbby]

America?

[Jimbuna]

Not America

[skidman]

Japan?

[Jimbuna]

Japan?

Yes and I suspect you're now ready to pounce :03:

[Aktungbby]

:arrgh!:I'm awaitin' on Skidman's pounce!:up:

[Jimbuna]

Me too or he is busy looking.

[skidman]

Hm.
Is it the War Memorial monument at Okunoin Cemetery in Koyasan?

[Catfish]

A bit unlikely, but Hiroshima Peace Memorial A-Bomb Dome ?

[Aktungbby]

built prior to WWII?

[Jimbuna]

Hm.
Is it the War Memorial monument at Okunoin Cemetery in Koyasan?

Afraid not and I seriously thought you'd be back with the correct answer after guessing the correct country.

[Jimbuna]

A bit unlikely, but Hiroshima Peace Memorial A-Bomb Dome ?

Not that Kai and it looks brick built to me. I may be wrong but looking at pictures of what I'm alluding to leads me to believe it is built with textured stone.

[Jimbuna]

built prior to WWII?

Post WWII

I can only apologise for the lack of clues but I don't have that much information to go on.

How about this: A ceremony and memorial service is held every year.

[Aktungbby]

does the emperor ever attend?

[Jimbuna]

I've absolutely no idea.

[Aktungbby]

not in Tokyo?

[Jimbuna]

not in Tokyo?

Quite a way from there.

[Aktungbby]

on the main islands?

[Jimbuna]

The same one as Tokyo

[Aktungbby]

In Nagoya?

[Jimbuna]

Closer to there than Tokyo

[Aktungbby]

Kyoto?

[Jimbuna]

No but closer than Nagoya.

[Aktungbby]

Chugoku province?

[Gerald]

Tottori?

[Jimbuna]

Chugoku province?

Afraid not but you're not a million miles away either.

[Jimbuna]

Tottori?

That is in Chugoku province.

[Aktungbby]

Kansai Province?!:yeah:

[Jimbuna]

Yes

[Aktungbby]

Osaka?

[Catfish]

^ i think yes :03:

PL Peace Tower, Dai Heiwa Kinen Tō in Osaka

[Aktungbby]

Nice pounce! U just beat me out https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Torre_da_Paz.jpg/800px-Torre_da_Paz.jpg which is ok I didn't have anything good to play. The tower is 180 m in height, white in color, and built by the Church of Perfect Liberty in August 1970.
The cenotaph is designated for the souls of all war victims in history, regardless of race, ethnic group, sovereign state, border, region, religion, religious denomination and creed. The cenotaph is also used as a tomb for unidentified war victims. A ceremony and memorial service, where participants pray for world peace, is held annually on 1 August.

[skidman]

Nice find Catfish. I had searched for a much smaller object. And I must say: Impressive architecture. Godzilla's skeleton...

[Jimbuna]

^ i think yes :03:

PL Peace Tower, Dai Heiwa Kinen Tō in Osaka

Spot on Kai.

https://i.postimg.cc/52H7NggT/gghhhhh.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NKc7d1Wk)

Over to you :salute:

[Catfish]

Hello, sry for being late - with apologies to Aktung, only able to get this with his hint :03:



So what is that? Should be easier, but you never know ..



https://i.imgur.com/gwtYxrrm.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Aeroplane?

[Catfish]

^ yes

[Jimbuna]

German?

[Catfish]

German, yes.

[Aktungbby]

Civilian?

[Catfish]

Yes, it was later used for other tasks, but not typically military ones

[Aktungbby]

1940's?

[Jimbuna]

Junkers G.38?

[Aktungbby]

^https://i.imgur.com/gwtYxrrm.jpgvs https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d0/93/a0/d093a0ede89facc43139e9cd0c096b22.jpg??:hmmm: :doh: :nope:

[Catfish]

@Aktungbby: Before 1940, but i am sure it has been in service by the Luftwaffe in 1940, if not as a bomber or in a typically military role as far as i know.
@Jim, and Aktungbby: Not a Junkers G38
(and the photo of the Junkers is nice though the Mercedes seems to have been photoshopped into it :hmmm:. The G 38 is worth an own thread, it was gigantic for the time and almost futuristic, if there would not have been this old-fashioned tail. Junkers had planned to build a giant flying wing, and this was an experiment in this direction, with some passengers sitting in the wings and havin a a nice view ahead..)

[Catfish]

Another photo to drive you crazy :O:

https://i.imgur.com/XkHD39jl.jpg

1938, b.t.w.

[skidman]

Junkers Ju 90?

[Catfish]

^ the form is a bit like the Junkers 90, streamlined and elegant, but the plane asked for is smaller and not a Junkers.

[skidman]

BMW engines?

[Aktungbby]

Using Daimler-Benz DB 603 engines?

[Catfish]

@Skidman: BMW engines were not planned for this plane, and it never flew with engines from BMW.

@Aktungbby: It never flew with DB engines. There were special altitude engines planned from another company (not BMW or DB), but not ready at the time. So they intendend to use Daimler-Benz DB 601 engines, but they soon became to be reserved for fighter planes.
So they had to initially use smaller engines with less power, but the plane still performed promising.

The plane was built for special civilian purposes and had some very special features. The second version of this plane had a different nose, another had a changed layout for military use.
Not much were built, but it was not an experimental plane.

[Aktungbby]

Jumo 211 engines?

[Jimbuna]

Blohm & Voss BV 138?

[Catfish]

Not a Junkers engine, not a Blohm und Voss..

[Jimbuna]

Dornier Do 26?

[Catfish]

Not a Dornier -

[Jimbuna]

Less than six built?

[Eichhörnchen]

Was it originally built to break some record?

[Catfish]

More than six built, though they were different versions, mostly less than six planes per version i think. So it was not mass production..

@Eichhörnchen not planned originally, but it later did.

[Aktungbby]

It is the Heinkel varient V2Schleisen D JAIE with four HIRTH HM 508 C engines: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Hirth_HM_508.jpg/300px-Hirth_HM_508.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hirth_HM_508.jpg)
The design started in response to a 1936 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_in_aviation) request by Lufthansa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Luft_Hansa), which planned a route over the Pamir Mountains (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamir_Mountains) in Afghanistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan). This was the primary difficulty in producing an aircraft able to meet the range requirements, because the aircraft would have to lift its large fuel load to 7,600 m (24,900 ft) to clear the mountains. At the time there were simply no engines available with that sort of altitude performance, although Hirth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirth) was working on one in the 370 kW (500 hp) class. The Günter brothers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_brothers) proposed to adapt their basic He 70 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_70) Blitz airframe to carry four of these engines to provide enough power for the massive fuel load.
The He 116 would use a modified version of the He 70's two-spar elliptical planform, skinned (like the He 70) with plywood. The fuselage was all-new, consisting of a semi-monocoque (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-monocoque)duralumin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duralumin) body with watertight bulkheads in case the aircraft were forced down over water. The design shared enough construction with the He 70 that the first prototype He 116 V1 was completed in early 1937 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_in_aviation). The new engines were not ready at this point, so the prototype was instead fitted with the much smaller Hirth HM 508C (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirth_HM_508C) of 180 kW (240 hp). https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Heinkel_He_116_photo_L%27Aerophile_October_1937.jp g I tracked through list of all German aircraft hitting on Heinkel 1937 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_Nazi_Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_Nazi_Germany)
Heinkel He 112 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_112) fighter
Heinkel He 113 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_113) (propaganda designation for He 100)
Heinkel He 114 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_114) reconnaissance seaplane
Heinkel He 115 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_115) general-purpose seaplane
Heinkel He 116 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_116) transport + reconnaissance https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/He_116_2013.jpg/300px-He_116_2013.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:He_116_2013.jpg)
Heinkel He 118 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_118) dive bomber
Heinkel He 119 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_119) high-speed reconnaissance/bomber (prototypes), 1937
Heinkel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_162) I've been at this for at least twelve hours...aggravated; as I knew I'd seen this aircraft before. 'Smiling Albert' Kesselring used the same engines in his Seibel Fh104 Hallor: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1981-066-21A%2C_Albert_Kesselring_in_seinem_Flugzeug.jpg/300px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1981-066-21A%2C_Albert_Kesselring_in_seinem_Flugzeug.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1981-066-21A,_Albert_Kesselring_in_seinem_Flugzeug.jpg)And the engine trail led to Heinkel....

[Catfish]

@Aktungbby Yes this is it! Can get some more info tomorrow, not at home now.

Powered by Hirth engines with first 250 and later 500 hp, built for the german-japanese postal service. For this the plane had to climb to 22,000 feet to cross the hindu kush mountains, and use as little fuel as possible. It was also riveted in a way that the fuselage was watertight and would swim in case of an emergency landing. Wings were partially made of wood.

China edit: Japan bought two of those.

To spare fuel during the start and ease taking off when fully loaded, starting help RATO rockets were mounted and tested at Peenemünde in 1938.

edit: some more pictures

https://i.imgur.com/MCRJ2fb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MLlQifnl.jpg

Test in Peenemuende with RATO rockets:

https://i.imgur.com/lsyZZftl.jpg

I think it is a beautiful plane..

Over to Aktung 👍

[Aktungbby]

Here's an easy one: what's this?https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11500

[Jimbuna]

A musical instrument?

[Catfish]

Quick shot.. DC 3?

[Aktungbby]

A musical instrument? NO; but only insofar as one might hear ''the music of the spheres''.

Quick shot.. DC 3?NO; too small

[Jimbuna]

Space related?

[Aktungbby]

NO....or at least not yet.:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Starlink internet satellite?

[Aktungbby]

too high! 43,000 feet is the optimal altitude. This is a strategic device not a tactical one; Material invented in 1952; first deployed in 1980; here's a little more:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11501

[Jimbuna]

Strategic Air Command HGU-55/P Helmet?

[Aktungbby]

no; but getting warm...:03:

[Jimbuna]

too high! 43,000 feet is the optimal altitude. This is a strategic device not a tactical one; Material invented in 1952; first deployed in 1980; here's a little more:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11501

Strategic Air Command HGU-55/P Helmet?

no; but getting warm...:03:

Well, I'm certainly looking forward to the definitive answer. Unless your referring to the EEU-2/P anti-flash blindness goggles which aren't depicted in the original picture. https://www.flightgear.ch/ch-hgu-55-eeu-2-p

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11453914_40011-strategic-air-command-hgu-55p-helmet-with-eeu-2

https://i.postimg.cc/fyBp31Zc/11453914-1-x.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

U got it! I drew on several sources and snipped from this https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7975/this-is-what-usaf-bomber-pilots-would-wear-during-a-nuclear-apocalypse (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7975/this-is-what-usaf-bomber-pilots-would-wear-during-a-nuclear-apocalypse) : https://www.thedrive.com/content/2017/02/hhhdhdh1.jpg?quality=85&width=1440&quality=70My next clue would have been: "hope you're having PLeaZanT day in Northhuumbria!:DThe original PLZT goggles, military designation EEU-2/P, were developed for nuclear bombers such as the B-52 and B-1 in the Strategic Air Command (SAC), where the crew members would hopefully be just outside the blast, radiation, and/or heat damage radius of the weapon. Used only in strategic bombers, not tactical fighters. (What are the Swiss in your source flying??!!)I imagine if my 'Raybans' were made with PLZT I could observe the eclipse of the sun directly...instead of the onset of 'nuclear winter'....https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/people-watch-the-solar-eclipse-at-saluki-stadium-on-the-campus-of-picture-id836330180?s=2048x2048:hmmm: Note Russian protective goggles in '61: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSbxoRDhtqU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSbxoRDhtqU) I tried to look up what they're wearing now....:nope: OVER TO JIMBUNA!:salute:

[Catfish]

^ "Easy" :doh: :wah: :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Probably teatime (GMT) but I'll be back.

[Jimbuna]

What is this?

https://i.postimg.cc/jCVr9K7s/u7upkljj.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[u crank]

Well ... it looks like a jet engine.

[Jimbuna]

Partly correct.

[Catfish]

Attached to a plane and you want to know which? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Yes please.

[Catfish]

That?
https://www.businessinsider.com/van-life-camper-trailer-caravan-jet-engine-transformation-england-2020-7?r=DE&IR=T
:haha:

edit: ok saw your answer too late

[Catfish]

Mounted on the back of the plane?

[Jimbuna]

Mounted on the back of the plane?

Nope.

[Catfish]

civilian jet?

[Jimbuna]

Nope.

[Aktungbby]

Warplane?

[Catfish]

british?

[Jimbuna]

Warplane?

That was what it was designed for.

[Jimbuna]

british?

Not British.

[Aktungbby]

American?

[Jimbuna]

American?

Not American.

Clue: There weren't that many made.

[Aktungbby]

European?

[Jimbuna]

European?

Yes

[Catfish]

German?

[Jimbuna]

Not German.

Clue: Built pre WWII

[Catfish]

Italy?
But afaik the Caproni Campini N1 flew in 1940, not before WW2 :hmmm:

[skidman]

Rgr that. But I think You nailed it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/687u551q83vdeq8/IT.png?raw=1

[Jimbuna]

Italy?
But afaik the Caproni Campini N1 flew in 1940, not before WW2 :hmmm:

Spot on...

https://i.postimg.cc/5NVFFs1D/fffggh.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The Caproni Campini N.1, also known as the C.C.2, was an experimental jet aircraft built in the 1930s by Italian aircraft manufacturer Caproni. The N.1 first flew in 1940 and was briefly regarded as the first successful jet-powered aircraft in history, before news emerged of the German Heinkel He 178's first flight a year earlier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Campini_N.1

Over to you :salute:

[Catfish]

huh thanks, and you wrote "built before.." so it was perfectly correct :up:
I was looking for another design, but none fitted ..

[Catfish]

ok, what is that?

https://i.imgur.com/MHQJuSul.jpg

[skidman]

The Junkers Ju 287?

[Catfish]

^ Yes. this is it :up:
This was fast. Not even rotating the picture a bit made it difficult enough.

I thought most would think the plane's fore end would be at the left side overlooking a staggered wing.. ok the airfoil at the wing's end gave a directional hint but still well done.

Over to you :salute:


edit some photos, a bit late but ...

https://i.imgur.com/lmgdIEil.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/da9S0pdl.jpg

[skidman]

Truth is: I went through so many pictures of weird aircrafts when I was searching the web trying to solve the helicopter riddle You posted some weeks ago and the Junkers was a leftover from this quest :03:

You are going to hate me:
What's this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h9mktc8v70fht52/FT23.png?raw=1

[u crank]

Is it something that goes under water?

[skidman]

Not in specified normal operation. No.

[Jimbuna]

Front end of a helicopter?

[u crank]

Is it used on the surface of water?

[skidman]

Not a helicopter, not a watercraft.

[Jimbuna]

A mine?

[skidman]

No, less explosive.

[Aktungbby]

does it have a military application?

[skidman]

Some were used in military areas, but most were solely civilian.

[Catfish]

Does it fly?

[Jimbuna]

Land based?

[skidman]

It doesn't fly and yes, it is land based.

[Jimbuna]

Spherical in shape?

[Catfish]

You are going to hate me:
[...]
Yes, but this was yesterday. Things have deteriorated :arrgh!:

[Catfish]

I thought of an autogyro like Bond's Little Nelly, but if it does not fly.. hmm

Some kind of train/railcar/trolley ?

[skidman]

@Jim: Part of it is round, part of it is angular.

@ Catfish: A trolley? Close but no cigar.

[Catfish]

A vehicle of a roundabout?
Never used in war but you never know :D

[skidman]

:haha:
Obviously you want a clue: It was made in France.
BTW: Roundaboutism won't help You here :D

[Jimbuna]

A sleigh/sledge?

[skidman]

No, wheels.

[Catfish]

Obviously not the "Jamais contente".

Does it have an own engine?

[skidman]

Yes it does. A four cylinder petrol engine from Peugeot.

[Jimbuna]

Motorcycle?

[skidman]

Nope

[Eichhörnchen]

Four wheels?

[skidman]

Nope.

[u crank]

So .. three wheels?

[skidman]

Yep, a three wheeler. :03:

[Catfish]

Post WW2?

[skidman]

Yep, built in the sixties.

[Catfish]

Then it cannot be a Morgan, hmm.


A kit car?

[skidman]

It was not assembled by the customer, no.

You guessed it was a trolley.

A trolley is used for...

A trolley goes nowhere, if...

[Jimbuna]

Isetta?

[skidman]

Much smaller.

[Jimbuna]

A French sidewheel mower?

[u crank]

Does it carry people?

[skidman]

@Jim: Not a mower, no sidewheel

@u crank: It can transport 900Kg of whatever you want, but it carries only the driver's weight.

[Catfish]

Does it have one driven wheel at the front, and two in the rear, and can the pulling part be uncoupled?

[skidman]

No, the front wheel is for steering, the rear wheels are for drive, and all three wheels are attached to the same rigid framework.

[u crank]

Can it be licensed to drive on the public roadway?

[skidman]

I don't think so and I haven't found a picture with a license plate on it. It was mainly used in places where road traffic regulations don't apply.

[Catfish]

Smaller than an Isetta? :hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

Smaller than an Isetta? :hmmm:
It can transport 900Kg of whatever you want, but it carries only the driver's weight. Really! 900 kg is 1984Lbs of cargo and the Isetta has a 1 cylinder engine; not 4 ...:hmmm:

[skidman]

@Catfish: Yep. No cabin. Models used by the military had no seat (might have caused a severe reduction of the procreative capacity of the driver).

@Aktungbby: It can not carry 900Kg. It can transport 900kg. How does a Ford F150 transport a 25ft Yacht?

[Aktungbby]

Yes it does. A four cylinder petrol engine from Peugeot.
Is it a 1468-cc inline four-cylinder engine?

[Eichhörnchen]

Made by Citroen?

[skidman]

@Aktungbby: Sorry, no additional info on the engine available here.

@ Big E: No it was made by a small company based in Marseille.

[Eichhörnchen]

Why are you doing this to us?

[skidman]

Well, those vehicles were quite common, when I was a child. Not in Germany, but in Belgium and France You could find them in every railroad station (big clue). Later I discovered they were used on airports and in harbors as well. It's a pity they only survived in small numbers, because if I ever need to use a invalid car I'll rather choose this one.

[Eichhörnchen]

I think I know the kind of thing you mean... they were found at railway stations, as you say, and towed a trolley for luggage or freight, but the only ones I know of were electric powered

[skidman]

Ah, I have given it away again. OK, I'm not asking for make and model (I'd love to, but...) So, how do you call a vehicle that is towing something?

[Eichhörnchen]

A tractor? I think you should make us suffer and hold out for the make & model... this is a good one

[Jimbuna]

An Ape?

https://i.postimg.cc/WpJYxFcs/Piaggio-Ape-C.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[skidman]

Yep. A tractor or tracteur in French. And because of Eichhörnchen's request let's go the extra mile and try to guess make and model (You noticed, it's not my fault any longer :D).

Intermediate result:

- a small tractor used at railway stations, airports and harbors to tow trolleys

- single seater, no cabin, 4 stroke petrol engine, can tow up to 900Kg

- made in the 1960s by a small French company based in Marseille

[skidman]

An Ape?

https://i.postimg.cc/WpJYxFcs/Piaggio-Ape-C.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Ah the beautiful Ape.

Sorry, no: smaller, uglier, simpler

[Jimbuna]

Closer?

https://i.postimg.cc/2SKr2Lfn/61xx-Fhsoso-L-AC-SX679.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

Something like the Lister auto truck?

[skidman]

Closer?

https://i.postimg.cc/2SKr2Lfn/61xx-Fhsoso-L-AC-SX679.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Closest guess so far. But it has two feet engine and front wheel drive :03:

[Eichhörnchen]

Is it your own photo?

[skidman]

Something like the Lister auto truck?

Very similar to the LAT but the engine is beneath the driver's seat and no cargo bed.

[skidman]

Is it your own photo?

No, the photo is on a Swiss website.

[mapuc]

I have seen a lot of these on Danish and Swedish train stations, during my childhood and youth. Where a driver toke postal stuff/things from one place to another.

Markus

[Eichhörnchen]

I've worked every angle on this but just can't come up with a picture, even though we all know what it is :haha:

[Aktungbby]

what is it actually called? A 'tracma' tug or cart donkey??:hmmm:

[skidman]

tracteur de gare :D

[Aktungbby]

In looking half the night, at everything jimbuna posted as well, I came across this but passed on it still hung up on 'Tracma'!! Still cannnot find the Swiss photo yuo referenced but this looks good: from railroad Modelling....Where's our model train guy, Gargamel, when you need him:O: https://www.maketis.com/20717-large_default/xset-1-tracteur-peg-2-chariots-ho-artitec-de-010-.jpg.pagespeed.ic.ZmHEBTlkSS.jpgat least its 3 wheeled, green with a yellow stripe:O: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h9mktc8v70fht52/FT23.png?raw=1

[skidman]

This is a cute matchbox tracteur Aktungbby: Actually it's a later model by the same manufacturer that runs on butane (notice the little red gas container behind the seat).


I think everybody has been trying really hard to solve it, I can not make you suffer any longer. So:

Googling for pictures with "tracteur de gare" (with quotation marks) gives us this:

http://www.cfchanteraines.fr/lvdc/lvdc0243/depot4_11.jpg

The picture is on a website published by some French railway enthusiasts:

http://www.cfchanteraines.fr/lvdc/lvdc0243/depot4.htm

And the picture's cutline says: "La remise en route du tracteur Griffet touche à sa fin."

Now, picture-googling for "tracteur Griffet" brings up some promising results:

https://www.zerotrois.ch/images/derivate/griffet-1.jpg

And on the corresponding website

https://www.zerotrois.ch/index.php/203/derivate

we find:

https://www.zerotrois.ch/images/derivate/griffet-2.jpg

and

https://www.zerotrois.ch/images/derivate/griffet-3.jpg

Whoohoo! So its a "3R" built by "Etablissements M. Griffet Constructeurs Marseille".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZLO5l7Gf-U

I want one for Christmas and I love the sound of the horn

ETABLISSEMENTS MAURICE GRIFFET are a bunch of real estate agents today (I hate real estate agents).

Aktungbby's picture counts as the closest approach. So, please step in :salute:

[Catfish]

Yes, this should be it:
https://forum.e-train.fr/album_mod/upload/911e3ff719ed7508b0a823ddb75fa785.jpg

Also called "chariot de gare" or "chariot à bagages" in french. Here you can buy it in HO scale:
https://www.aux-modeles-reduits.fr/set-de-tracteur-peg-chariot-velos-chariot-bagages-ree-modeles-de010-ho-xml-1333_1081_1109_1110-54475.html

This was a nice one :D

[Jimbuna]

Would never have got that in a million years and imho is by far the hardest puzzle yet on this thread.

[Aktungbby]

https://www.zerotrois.ch/images/derivate/griffet-3.jpgI spent a lot of time looking for 'Marsailles contractors' building ''Tracmas' with 4 cylinder Peugeot engines:D So it's to me by a nose eh? I'll be back with something good!:yep:

[Jimbuna]

Not too hard, give some of our heads a chance to stop spinning :)

[Aktungbby]

Not too hard, give some of our heads a chance to stop spinning :) AS you command sire:shucks:
What's this? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11514

[u crank]

Would never have got that in a million years and imho is by far the hardest puzzle yet on this thread.

I here by move that skidman be permanently banned from this thread.:D

Yea that was a really good one. Very unique object. On more than on occasion I just gave up.

Kudos skidman. :salute:

[Jimbuna]

Have you added the artistry to the photo?

[Aktungbby]

Have you added the artistry to the photo? Nope, I merely snipped it freeform. @UCrank, I thought the astronaut photo on the moon was tougher... with Eich and Mapuc all saying they'd seen the three wheelers "all over", more a matter of picking the right French word: 'tracteur' or 'chariot' instead of 'tracma' de. baggage;" which tended to be airport equipment....

[Jimbuna]

In a museum?

[Aktungbby]

yes

[Jimbuna]

Hunley?

[Aktungbby]

nope...move it up 80 some years-big hint: You've seen this! :D

[Jimbuna]

USS Texas?

[Aktungbby]

nope you're way too far west; but both vessels are on an even Keel...after considerable effort!:O: On 12 June 2017, a 6-by-8-inch (15 by 20 cm) hole about 15 feet (4.6 m) below the waterline caused the ship to list (tilt) six degrees to the starboard side. After emergency repairs, crews pumped out about 2,000 US gallons (7,600 l) of water per minute out of the ship for more than 15 hours. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Battleship_Texas_-_exterior_-_DSCN0072.JPG/800px-Battleship_Texas_-_exterior_-_DSCN0072.JPG

[Jimbuna]

HMS Belfast?

[Catfish]

I'm sure i saw this before, something to stow ammunition?

[Jimbuna]

I'm sure i saw this before, something to stow ammunition?

I'm pretty sure now it isn't the Belfast but I'll let my post stand.

[Catfish]

Hmm, i visited HMS Belfast, but while it may have such a part fitted somewhere, i saw it somewhere else - but where lol


edit: rear plug for torpedo tubes, like in U 995?How do you translate "Torpedo Ausstosskolben". ~ "t. ejection piston" ?

[skidman]

In Europe?

[Aktungbby]

I'm sure i saw this before, something to stow ammunition?yes,...however temporarily. I'm sure U have seen it also:haha:

HMS Belfast?nope! This vessel is not on the water and you're still too far West.:arrgh!:

In Europe?:yeah:yup; and my apologies for being late. My mancave HP computer died at midnight; so I'm ordering(my tech savvy wife actually)a new setup and doing this post from my Samsung Verizon tablet. The well-worn machine had been faltering gamely for a year, the local wizkid shop having declared it unsavable, so I stored everything on a flash drive in anticipation of the final "boot disk not detected" that appears on my screen.:shucks:

[Aktungbby]

Hmm, i visited HMS Belfast, but while it may have such a part fitted somewhere, i saw it somewhere else - but where lol


edit: rear plug for torpedo tubes, like in U 995?How do you translate "Torpedo Ausstosskolben". ~ "t. ejection piston" ?I just caught your edit; precisely! My "12 gauge to a 'ma deuce' .50 " thread,, post 48, photo 12; has the photo of U-995 and all details. The piston was evolved to prevent pressure air bubbles from giving away a submerged U-boat's position. Transferring photos on this tablet is beyond my limited abilities or I'd do it.. Over to Catfish!...and I kept it simple!...to any true:subsim:er! :arrgh!::Kaleun_Salute:

[Catfish]

Well i guessed right, and learned a thing or two while reading through the torpedo plug threads :03:

Since Aktung's pc is temporarily o.o.o. ..
This is the rear torp. tube of U-995, the plug is stored at the right and only partially visible:

https://i.imgur.com/CRDy3url.jpg


Be back with something soon, if i find anything new :doh:

[Catfish]

I guess it should not be too difficult..
With a distant relation to something that happened to a friend's ancestor, only a tiny footnote of history.

Some hints in this picture i guess..

https://i.imgur.com/WHloVxnl.jpg

[Aktungbby]

Well i guessed right, and learned a thing or two while reading through the torpedo plug threads :03:

Since Aktung's pc is temporarily o.o.o. ..
This is the rear torp. tube of U-995, the plug is stored at the right and only partially visible:

https://i.imgur.com/CRDy3url.jpg


Be back with something soon, if i find anything new :doh: Thanks for posting the pic Kai; Some 'eel' tubes are 'groovier ' than others!:shucks: a very informative article indeed ie 'required reading' imho. A'larnin' U a thanger 2 is a favorite pastime of mine!:O::arrgh!: Is your photo a wood hulled vessel?

[Jimbuna]

Ice March of the Baltic Fleet, the icebreaker Ermak?

[skidman]

Russian ship?

[Catfish]

@Aktungbby: no, steel.

@Skidman: yes

Ice March of the Baltic Fleet, the icebreaker Ermak?
Yes. Hmm. This was fast .. :D

https://i.imgur.com/o2otEfAl.jpg

Also called the Jermak in german, or Yermak. The first real ice breaking ship ever. Private notice: It helped a german Captain Krause and his ship to continue its way in the frozen baltic in winter 1911.
The Jermak was in service from 1899 until 1964, it even earned the Order of Lenin after 50 years of service.

Over to you! :up:

[Aktungbby]

Ice March of the Baltic Fleet, the icebreaker Ermak?


Yes. Hmm. This was fast .. :D

Also called the Jermak in german, or Yermak. Over to you! :up:YA THINK! Talk about simple : It was built in Low Newman yard at Newcastle-on-Tyne...nuthin'n like feeding a hometown tiger ...by hand:arrgh!:...but methinks his head won't spin!:O:

[skidman]

Puh, super fast! :up:

[Jimbuna]

@Aktungbby: no, steel.

@Skidman: yes


Yes. Hmm. This was fast .. :D

https://i.imgur.com/o2otEfAl.jpg

Also called the Jermak in german, or Yermak. The first real ice breaking ship ever. Private notice: It helped a german Captain Krause and his ship to continue its way in the frozen baltic in winter 1911.
The Jermak was in service from 1899 until 1964, it even earned the Order of Lenin after 50 years of service.

Over to you! :up:

Danke, currently cleaning window blinds but I'll put something up this afternoon.

[Jimbuna]

YA THINK! Talk about simple : It was built in Low Newman yard at Newcastle-on-Tyne...nuthin'n like feeding a hometown tiger ...by hand:arrgh!:...but methinks his head won't spin!:O:

I honestly didn't know that :hmmm:

[Catfish]

^^ not only that, built 1898 by no less than the shipyard of Armstrong Whitworth & Co. at Low Walker on the Tyne for the Imperial Russian Fleet:

https://blog.twmuseums.org.uk/the-icebreaker-ermack-a-great-tyne-built-ship/

[Jimbuna]

Yes, back in the days when the Tyne was one of the busiest shipbuilding rivers in the world.

I served my apprenticeship as a mechanical engineer/fitter in one of the ship repair yards....sadly all gone now.

[Jimbuna]

Okay, what and where is this?

https://i.postimg.cc/qMSkwVGq/rfthtyjyj.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[skidman]

In the UK?

[Jimbuna]

Nope

[skidman]

In Europe?

[Eichhörnchen]

Part of a warship?