Who / What / Where Game

[Moonlight]

Bloody hell! :o

Is it ceramic.

[Catfish]

Metal?

[u crank]

Bloody hell! :o

Is it ceramic.

No.:D

Metal?

Yes it is a metal.

[Buddahaid]

Storage shed?

[Catfish]

Hangar?

[u crank]

Storage shed?

Hangar?

No to both.

[Eichhörnchen]

Is it Dick Van Dyke's garage?

[u crank]

Is it Dick Van Dyke's garage?

Sorry but Mr. Van Dyke is not involved.

:O:

[Moonlight]

Is this a part of a military building.

[u crank]

Is this a part of a military building.

Nope.

[Aktungbby]

Aluminum?

[u crank]

Aluminum?

Yes.

[Jimbuna]

Radar related?

[u crank]

Radar related?

No.

[Catfish]

does it fold?

[u crank]

does it fold?

No.

[Aktungbby]

on an aircraft?

[Moonlight]

Is this used al fresco, ie, outdoors.

[Jimbuna]

Garage door?

[u crank]

on an aircraft?

No.

Is this used al fresco, ie, outdoors.

Yes.

Garage door?

No but it is a type of door. In other words it can open and close.

[Aktungbby]

on an storage shed??

[u crank]

on an storage shed??

No.

[Buddahaid]

on an storage shed??

Hey, I asked about storage sheds already....

Is it part a maschine?

[u crank]

Is it part a maschine?

It is not but slightly warmer.

[Moonlight]

Could you buy one of these for everyday use.

[u crank]

Could you buy one of these for everyday use.

No you could most definitely not.

[Jimbuna]

Aircraft hangar?

[u crank]

Aircraft hangar?

No.

[Jimbuna]

Civilian use?

[u crank]

Civilian use?

Yes.

[Moonlight]

Does this door hermetically seal.

[u crank]

Does this door hermetically seal.

What's with the damn hard questions? :O:

That is something I have not been able to find out but considering what this 'door' is used for I would say it has a very good seal when closed.

[Jimbuna]

Nuclear related?

[u crank]

Nuclear related?

No it is not.

[Catfish]

Some refrigerator door?

[u crank]

Some refrigerator door?

No.

[Aktungbby]

is the door hinged, or does it slide to open?

[u crank]

is the door hinged, or does it slide to open?

Hinged.

[Aktungbby]

is it a an container of some sort?

[u crank]

is it a an container of some sort?

That is a very broad discription. I'm going to say no.

[Aktungbby]

a storm door for winter?

[u crank]

a storm door for winter?

No.

[Moonlight]

Are these type of doors accessible to the general public.

[u crank]

Are these type of doors accessible to the general public.

No they are not.

[Moonlight]

Would someone in uniform use this door.

[Jimbuna]

A shipping container?

[mapuc]

I know it may be wrong.

When I saw the picture...the element water popped up in my head

Markus

[u crank]

Would someone in uniform use this door.

No.
A shipping container?

No.
I know it may be wrong.

When I saw the picture...the element water popped up in my head

Markus

Water is not involved.

[Jimbuna]

Associated with measuring weather?

[u crank]

Associated with measuring weather?

Sorry but no.

[Aktungbby]

can a person go thru this door?

[u crank]

can a person go thru this door?

No. Remember I said it was a 'type of door'. There are many types of doors.

[mapuc]

Space related ?

Markus

[u crank]

Space related ?

Yes it is.

[mapuc]

Something who was orbiting in space in the 70's ?

Markus

[u crank]

Something who was orbiting in space in the 70's ?

Markus

No.

[Aktungbby]

space shuttle cargo hatch?

[mapuc]

A famous rocket with the number 5 after the word ?

Markus

[u crank]

space shuttle cargo hatch?

A famous rocket with the number 5 after the word ?

No to both.

[Aktungbby]

did it go into space?

[Catfish]

US ?

[u crank]

did it go into space?

Yes.

US ?

Yes.

[Catfish]

SpaceX door?

[u crank]

SpaceX door?

Nope.

[Jimbuna]

Galileo satellite?

[u crank]

Galileo satellite?

No.

[Moonlight]

Is this door a part of the International Space Station.

[u crank]

Is this door a part of the International Space Station.

It is not.

[Moonlight]

Is this door somewhere in-between the Earth and Moon.

[u crank]

Is this door somewhere in-between the Earth and Moon.

Yes. And again I will say it is a 'type' of door.

[Moonlight]

Is this door smaller than a cat flap.

[u crank]

Is this door smaller than a cat flap.

Much larger.

[mapuc]

This "door" was it sitting on some type of Satellite ?

Markus

[u crank]

This "door" was it sitting on some type of Satellite ?

Yes it is.

[Aktungbby]

is the satellite still in operation?

[mapuc]

I have a feeling that this Satellite had a name starting with the letter S.


Markus

[u crank]

is the satellite still in operation?

Oh yes.

I have a feeling that this Satellite had a name starting with the letter S.


Sorry no.

[Aktungbby]

is it manned?

[Jimbuna]

Nimbus?

[u crank]

is it manned?

No.

Nimbus?

No.

[mapuc]

No it wasn't Skylab-This satellite orbit around earth in the 50's

Markus

[u crank]

No it wasn't Skylab-This satellite orbit around earth in the 50's

Markus

No. More recent.

[Jimbuna]

Corona?

[u crank]

Corona?

No. More recent.

[Aktungbby]

was it ever manned?

[u crank]

was it ever manned?

Nope.

[Jimbuna]

A spy satellite?

[u crank]

A spy satellite?

Nope. No military connection at all.

[Jimbuna]

Communications?

[u crank]

Communications?

No.

[mapuc]

No.

Then it can't be what I came to think of
Astra which was a new type of satellite who was send in orbit in beginning of the 80's and gave us hundreds of tv-channels.

Markus

[Catfish]

Hubble telescope hatch/aperture door?

[Aktungbby]

I've been looking at Hubble photos but still cannot see the texture....:hmmm:

[Moonlight]

Does this satellite scan distant objects.

[u crank]

Does this satellite scan distant objects.

The most distant. :D

I've been looking at Hubble photos but still cannot see the texture....:hmmm:

https://i.imgur.com/DeV1V2b.jpg?1

Hubble telescope hatch/aperture door?

We have a winner. Way to go.:up:

The Hubble Space Telescope has given us an incredible view and understanding of our Universe.

Over to you Catfish. :salute:

[Moonlight]

That was a bleeding cracker u crank. :up:

[u crank]

That was a bleeding cracker u crank. :up:

:salute:

[Catfish]

That was a bleeding cracker u crank. :up:
I second that, i did not find one good picture of this flap :wah:


Ok, what is this?


https://i.imgur.com/ZlldxIMm.jpg?1

[Eisenwurst]

A sausage maker ?

[Catfish]

No, not for Wurst this time :)

[Jimbuna]

Farming related?

[u crank]

Does it have anything to do with food processing?

[Catfish]

^^ @Jim: Not farming related.

^ @u crank: Yes.

[mapuc]

I'm pretty sure that this equipment was used in a bakery

Markus

[Catfish]

Yes!

Hint: Not in every bakery, and not all the time.

[Aktungbby]

pretzel maker?

[Jimbuna]

Pasta maker?

[Moonlight]

Is it a seasonal food.

[Catfish]

Not pretzels, not pasta (pasta in a bakery? :hmmm:)

Seasonal, yes

[Jimbuna]

Christmas cake?

[Catfish]

^ right season and direction, what exactly?

[Aktungbby]

my only vice: stollen?

[Catfish]

Not Stollen.. the baker also makes 'Stollen', but not with this machine.

The product has a special name, i did not know how it was in english and had to look it up..

[Aktungbby]

well my first guess was fruitcake?

[Catfish]

No, no fruits or candies lemon or orange peel involved.

[Aktungbby]

panettone?

[mapuc]

It has something to do with bread

Markus

[Aktungbby]

and osterbrot has fruit too so that's out....:hmmm:

[Catfish]

Not panettone, also not bread.

It is a kind of cake, or better cookie or pastry.. quite common in Germany around Christmas season. Such machines as depicted are usually not used anymore, it all switched to automated bigger ones decades ago.

Further hint: Probably originating in Russia, but often Belgium is said to have invented it, or maybe some germans did at the same time. It is also famous in the Netherlands..

[mapuc]

When I saw the picture Catfish posted I got a Deja vu from my first job in a bakery.
End of the 90's

I tell you the machine we used had same colour, same shape.
Yes he had some very old machinery

I said to myself it looks like a machine who makes breadcrumbs from old dried White bread
It also looked like a machine which I have forgot the Danish/Swedish name and therefore unable to translate into English.

On top(the oblong funnel) was filled with flour.
The closest word I can come up with is
fully automatic sliding table

Then Catfish wrote only used at Christmas-so it can't be that either.

If I by any chance should have hit the nail-Then PLEASE give the ball to some others.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

pepernoten?

[Catfish]

@Mapuc: While the machine may look familiar, it is not flour that is being put into the funnel, but the ready dough, including all that is needed.

@Aktungbby: Not 'Pepernoten' (this would be "Pfeffernüsse" in german = literally "peppernuts", but called "spice nuts" in english).


There are some spices involved.. i wonder whether this kind of cake or biscuit is even known over there :hmmm:. It can be also made at home by hand, but you need some 'tools' - naming them will probably give it away, so...

[Jimbuna]

Lebkuchen?

[Catfish]

No, not Lebkuchen :k_confused:
Big hint: They are being produced at or for a special day, at least in Belgium i think. This is indirectly connected with the name..

In Germany you can get them from Easter on :haha: (not really..)

[Jimbuna]

Marzipankartoffeln?

[Catfish]

No, not Marzipankartoffeln either :D

What do you usually eat around Christmas, when it comes to cookies or biscuits?

[Aktungbby]

Marzipankartoffeln either :D
I read once that Germany lost WWII due to too many long syllable words...can U imagine some Enigma operator transmitting one keystroke at a time: "Liebe Mutter: please send socks, more Pervitin tablets, and Mar zi pan kart of fein! it's cold out here at 'Volgagrad' love, Olaf":O:

[Jimbuna]

KETO CINNAMON STARS?

[Catfish]

re Aktungbby: But it has better grammar, and is not as inexact and sounds as braggin' bigmouthy as if you are speaking with a whole hot potato in your mouth ����
(ouch seems smilies not working on mobile?)

What you are looking for does not sound especially german though, even *in* german..

@Jim: no.. Keto?? :har:

[mapuc]

Laying in my bed I suddenly remembered another machine we used now and then.

We used it to make Croissant/Kipferl

I and the other stood and weight up dough, which the master toke and put in the funnel and the machine then made these croissant/Kipferl

In the end of my job this machine stopped working and I had to learn to do it manually.

Markus

[Catfish]

Kipferl are some of the better tasting christmas sweets, but unfortunately no.
I guess such a machine would look a bit like this one.

[Jimbuna]

Glazed Gingerbread Cookies?

[Catfish]

going in the right direction, but still not it.

I have never heard the english word of it before, it is not exactly the same as in german but close.

[mapuc]

Going to be very interesting to read what it is.

Maybe I have used one of these machine or not.

Markus

[Catfish]

I just read that cinnamon is often a condiment, as can be ginger. There a lot more spices involved.

So it is close to gingerbread, but not the same.

[Aktungbby]

pryaniki spice cakes?

[mapuc]

If I remember correctly(don't feel going through every post since Catfish posted his picture)

This machine produce a popular cake which is traditional German Christmas cake.

During this evening I came to think of Stollen.

A cake my grandma(German) on my fathers side or if it was my grandma(Danish) on my mothers side who use to bake this cake at Christmas.

I was not very old when the first Grandma died-less than ten years old and I guess it was around that time I ate a homemade Stollen.

And boy did I like this cake. Have bought factory made and they taste...dry

Markus

[Aktungbby]

my only vice: stollen?

Not Stollen.. the baker also makes 'Stollen', but not with this machine.

The product has a special name, i did not know how it was in english and had to look it up..

If I remember correctly(don't feel going through every post since Catfish posted his picture)

This machine produce a popular cake which is traditional German Christmas cake.

During this evening I came to think of Stollen.

:nope:

[d@rk51d3]

No, no fruits or candies lemon or orange peel involved.

But can have slivered almonds on the back. :up:

[mapuc]

^^ :oops::oops:
Sorry I know Stollen had been mentioned I just want to tell about my childhood around Christmas and this cake.

I should not have posted it here.

Markus

[Catfish]

^ Nah it is perfectly ok Markus, Stollen is great. Since the unification of Germany the old Dresdner Stollen is available again for all, one of the best industry-made Stollen. Only thing that tops it if you make it yourself..


@Aktungbby: not pryaniki spice cakes

But can have slivered almonds on the back. :up:
Oh yes it can, now the name please! :)

[Jimbuna]

GERMAN ALMOND ICEBOX COOKIES?

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/84864774213477474/?autologin=true

[Catfish]

^ i had to look this up :o no, still not the right ones..

They are rather crispy, not soft.

[Aktungbby]

But can have slivered almonds on the back. :up:is it covered in chocolate and sliced onto servings?:Kaleun_Salivating:

[Catfish]

is it covered in chocolate and sliced onto servings?:Kaleun_Salivating:
Sounds good, but no.

Hint x they are quite thin

[d@rk51d3]

Hint - Made at home with wooden presses............. similar to shortbread.

Hint - Windmills are a common theme.

[Aktungbby]

I spekulate something to do with Dutch windmills here but now that I've led Skidman to the Dutch mountains promised land...:shucks:https://www.thespruceeats.com/thmb/UKfnXYjrvrauiDYQ1txaMfknmqk=/2102x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc() :format(webp)/german-spice-cookies-spekulatius-recipe-1446782-15-d9749e45244d4859932587134635382d.jpg

[Catfish]

Speculoos in english, but I had never heard this before. In Germany it's Spekulatius, coming from latin speculator for Mirror*.
Those Spekulatius cakes were initially made for St Nicholas day on december 6th, and different forms told the story of said bishop.
Since St. Nicholas from Myra in Asia minor is said to leave his later home in Spain and come to Europe on that day, to give presents to good people and punish the bad ones, he was said to be a *mirror of human behaviour.

Later there were other forms, an often used one is indeed the windmill, but there are lots of others.

Here is the machine from another angle, it is only to form several thin cakes at once, they have then to be pulled off the cloth carefully (breaking easily in this condition), and then baked in an oven.
They can be made with or without almonds, also the spices used can vary, but there's always caramelised sugar used.

https://i.imgur.com/lDmGpaNl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8N7uxgEl.jpg

I already thought it'd go on until next Christmas :D

Over to Darksider or Aktungbby? :salute:

[d@rk51d3]

Also now available as a spread............. much like Nutella.

Haven't tried it myself though.

[Catfish]

Ok d@rk51d3 may have led someone to the promised land, but Aktungbby posted the real answer.

SO: Aktungbby takes the cake Spekulatius and the next question :salute:

[Aktungbby]

Ok d@rk51d3 may have led someone to the promised land, but Aktungbby posted the real answer.

SO: Aktungbby takes the cake Spekulatius and the next question :salute: I'm off to bed; but what's this?https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11873

[Jimbuna]

A brick?

[Catfish]

An antique sieve, or strainer?

[u crank]

Is that a drain at the bottom?

[Aktungbby]

A brick?nope

An antique sieve, or strainer?nope-but used in food preparation

Is that a drain at the bottom?probably

[Jimbuna]

Turkish kiln pot?

[Aktungbby]

nope; although it would have seen use in the region

[Catfish]

Was there burned somthing in this "vessel"?

[d@rk51d3]

Something steamy?

[Aktungbby]

Was there burned somthing in this "vessel"? nope although what was 'burned something' was kept in this prior to burning....

Something steamy?not steamy; according to my extensive research.

[Jimbuna]

BC datewise?

[Catfish]

For sacrifical.. actions?

[Aktungbby]

BC datewise?Probably

For sacrifical.. actions?Nope

[Jimbuna]

Hanging Gardens of Babylon?

[Catfish]

Bronze age?

[Aktungbby]

Hanging Gardens of Babylon? nope

Bronze age? Iron age methinks

Too far east; check out the The Satyricon, chapter 35, particularly the dinner of Trimalchio's first course...definitely BC:D https://i.pinimg.com/564x/9f/fe/45/9ffe451813a88ce98966377263b793c7.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Scales?

[Aktungbby]

nope.

[Catfish]

Clock?

[Aktungbby]

nope

[Catfish]

A dish?

[Moonlight]

Are they ventilation holes?.

[Aktungbby]

A dish?Nope

Are they ventilation holes?. YES!:yeah:

[Catfish]

A device to dry something?

[Jimbuna]

An oven?

[Aktungbby]

A device to dry something?

An oven?no to both

[Jimbuna]

For heating the bath water?

[Aktungbby]

nope no water was [
involved bathing wasn't involved; the interior 'ledges' were essential to its fucntion. Upscale homes tended to have one.

[Catfish]

How is the scale of said thing, did one sit on the ledges?

[Jimbuna]

Are you saying water was involved but bathing was involved?

[Aktungbby]

How is the scale of said thing, did one sit on the ledges? about a foot in diameter methinks; something scampered on those ledges...until requisitioned

Are you saying water was involved but bathing was involved?my bad; I meant not bathing... but people, generally of 'the equestrian order' who owned this type of pottery device would have dipped in the caldariums & frigidariums of the day at public baths...probably while out shopping the agora for poppy seeds and honey to augment the delicacy!

[Catfish]

"scampered" ? :o

Roman perfume bowl/bottle?

[Jimbuna]

Farming honey from bees?

[Aktungbby]

"scampered" ? :o

Roman perfume bowl/bottle?yup scamper! not perfume.

Farming honey from bees?nope, the honey is used for dipping the delicacy at elegant dinners.

[d@rk51d3]

about a foot in diameter methinks; something scampered on those ledges...until requisitioned

my bad; I meant not bathing... but people, generally of 'the equestrian order' who owned this type of pottery device would have dipped in the caldariums & frigidariums of the day at public baths...probably while out shopping the agora for poppy seeds and honey to augment the delicacy!

For the Doormice?

[Aktungbby]

You're right on it! "Edible dormouse! :salute: Now what is it called specifically!...U must have read the meal course in Satyricon:Kaleun_Salivating: although 2000 years later, it's still served in Slovenia. Jeeze! Even Slovenian Melania Trump might still snack on these hors d'ouerves!

[Jimbuna]

Glis glis?

[d@rk51d3]

You wouldn’t want to reach into the chamber pot by accident.

[Catfish]

glis glis may well be the right species, but according to the text the "dormice coated with poppy seeds and honey" are presented on a plate..

Etruscan?
A "Gliarium" ?

[Aktungbby]

TAADAA! a glirarium it is! https://i.pinimg.com/564x/f4/7c/72/f47c725806dcc096846eadbd394ac913.jpg Inside there are two or more shelves placed against the vessel walls and additional holes in the bottom of the vessel, generally more numerous than those on the sides.[2] By inducing hibernation via darkness and confinement, the glirarium would cause the dormouse to fatten:Kaleun_Salivating: Bon Appetite!! over to
Catfish:arrgh!: In one version of The Satyricon, the roasted edible dormice are served on racks 'welded to small metal bridges'. ...there is a recipe for use with chicken! https://static.wixstatic.com/media/35d71d_ffd7e859ed4244c5b71b69fa00d9b0c5~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_740,h_493,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/35d71d_ffd7e859ed4244c5b71b69fa00d9b0c5~mv2.webp https://www.historywritesitself.com/post/roman-ostrich-recipe

[Catfish]

Uh, i had not heard of this before..
"Feed your head" the dormouse said :doh:
In one version of The Satyricon, the roasted edible dormice are served on racks 'welded to small metal bridges'. ...there is a recipe for use with chicken

Well, after 2000+ years humanity has not changed this much, only to shift the "production" of meat out of direct sight.

Ok will look for something new

[Catfish]

So, what is that and where does it belong?

https://i.imgur.com/vtjI8S6m.jpg

[Aktungbby]

WWII vessel?

[Catfish]

No. edit: not built during WW2
Should not be too difficult :03:

[Jimbuna]

WWI era?

[Catfish]

Also.

[Jimbuna]

Does the above mean the vessel was active during both world wars?

[Catfish]

Yes, so built before the wars.

[Jimbuna]

A Tug?

[Catfish]

Not a tug.

[Aktungbby]

british?

[Jimbuna]

American?

[Catfish]

Neither.

[Jimbuna]

German?

[Catfish]

^ Yes, german.

[Jimbuna]

Civilian?

[Catfish]

Initially civilian

[Jimbuna]

Sunk as a military target?

[Catfish]

Sunk as a military target?
Hard to answer. :hmmm: It was not sunk by the enemy.

[Jimbuna]

Scuttled?

[Catfish]

Yes.

edit: questions and answers are probably misleading, the story was not over with scuttling it.
In a way it is not over yet.

[Aktungbby]

scuttled at Scapa Flow?

[Catfish]

No.
I know you will hate me.

[Aktungbby]

/\ is that a big hint!??:O:

[Catfish]

No it's a threat thread :O:

A hint would be that it never was a "real" warship, technically. But it was officially listed as one.

[Aktungbby]

Is that canvas or wood in photo? I can't tell.

[Catfish]

You mean the life belt (right word for Rettungsring?) or behind this? It is hard to see even on better/other photos. It looks like some railing covered with canvas.

edit: i'm sure it is canvas or similar, only the railing behind standing out.

[Jimbuna]

Used in a deceptive way?

[Catfish]

It did a (very) few missions using stealth in a way, but not in a way a Q-ship or a "Hilfskreuzer" would have.

[Aktungbby]

weather forecast vessel?

[Catfish]

No.

[Aktungbby]

stealth acroos English channel or in Mediterranean?

[Catfish]

Neither :D

Or let's say it did make its way maybe through the channel or the mediterranean, i just don't know it.
But it did not make the way by itself, and no one saw it.

[Aktungbby]

it performed the same 'stealth mission' in both world wars?

[Catfish]

No.
I said some three or so could be "stealth" missions, but only in a way that it used a moment of surprise, and the night.
This is all so misleading :k_confused:, but i really answer correctly.

Hint 1: We had this here before i think, but I did not find it.
Hint 2: It did not do any "mission" in WWII.
Hint 3: Maybe this was misleading, it was a german ship, but as almost all german ships it "somehow became english" later, and then again switched to other owners.

[Aktungbby]

Does the above mean the vessel was active during both world wars?

Yes, so built before the wars.

No.
I said some three or so could be "stealth" missions, but only in a way that it used a moment of surprise, and the night.
This is all so misleading :k_confused:, but i really answer correctly.

Hint 1: We had this here before i think, but I did not find it.
Hint 2: It did not do any "mission" in WWII.
Hint 3: Maybe this was misleading, it was a german ship, but as almost all german ships it "somehow became english" later, and then again switched to other owners.a confiscated WWI
German vessel that ended up in allied hands then?

[d@rk51d3]

Used around Singapore?

EDIT

Never mind.
I was thinking of the Krait............. but she was originally Japanese.

[Catfish]

a confiscated WWI
German vessel that ended up in allied hands then?
Not a "WW1 vessel", it was built before, but not for WW1. A civilian ship built for trade. "In a way" later "confiscated" by England, which also changed the ship's name. It later became property of another nation. Regarding what i said no real combat mission in WWII, I just read it was probably used for small troop transports in that time.
Even in WW1 you could hardly call this a combat mission, the ship was never intended for war, and it became soon clear that it was also not exactly known for positive "sea"-going properties either. Not that it saw much of the sea (hint, hint)

@ d@rk51d3, as you already concluded not the »Krait«, and the ship in question has never been near Singapore.

[Jimbuna]

Graf von Goetzen/MV Liemba?

[Catfish]

We have a winner :D :up:
YES! The »MV Liemba«, former »Graf Goetzen« it is! The life belt shows the letters "GOE" for Goetzen, and "KI" at the lower side for Kigoma.


https://i.imgur.com/8SIlHUkl.jpg

Still sailing over Lake Tanganjika after 108 years today, thanks to belgian and british efforts to refloat and repair it.
When Tanzania became independent, the ship became property of the new nation, using it until today.

https://i.imgur.com/9yU5wQ5l.jpg

I will keep this short since it can all be read in the 'net, not to mention books and films, one of it being "African Queen". The real queen was of course the Graf..

Built in 1913 as a merchant for the Tanganjika lake to do trade with english and belgian colonies, it was put together at the Meyer wharft Papenburg for a test, dismantled, and then transported in some 5000 boxes via ships to Daressalaam, then German East Africa. From there it was transported via train to Kigoma, the german harbour at the Tanganjika lake.

Since England had declared war and the parts for the dock were not expected to get through, they put the ship together on a wooden frame, and then dug away the earth under it, opening it to the lake, and the ship finally swimming up.

The captain and the engineers from Papenburg were not amused to find out that war broke out, also they were "a bit disenchanted" by the ship's "sea"going capabilities. It would roll in anything but calm weather due to the high center of gravity, and shallow draft.
(because of this english engineers later mounted two bilge keels, and exchanged the old steam engines with Diesel ones).


When England declared war it was at first not sure whether this would extend to the colonies, because initially there was a treaty that should keep the fighting off the colonies, main reason being not to show the locals that there colonial masters were not much better than their own tribes, going to war against each other.

The only "combat" missions were to get back a small german steamer (»Adjutant«) that had been captured by England before, and another small english steamer sunk. The Graf Goetzen stealthily sailed to the hostile harbour by night, attached a rope to the english ship and towed it away, then sinking it. No one was wounded or killed.

They tried to mount some of the sunk »SMS Koenigsberg« guns, fired three shots and the deck buckled. So they kept the guns' shields on the ship, gave the guns to Lettow-Vorbeck to be mounted on wheels, and mounted some painted palm tree trunks as "guns". Two smaller revolver cannons were left on the ship.
Most photos of the "armed" »Graf« show it with the palm tree sticks.

Being attacked by small boats like Mimi and Toutou (an incredible story itself getting those boats to the lake by Mr. Spicer-Simpson) and belgian 'Short admiralty' seaplanes it did not suffer damage; but when Lettow-Vorbeck had to withdraw he ordered the ship to be sunk, so it would not fall in enemy's hands.
The Meyer wharft chief engineer throughly conservated and greased engines and valves, and opened the flood valves; intending to refloat it after the war.

When the war was over Germany lost its colonies, and a belgian engineer tried to refloat the Goetzen, which promptly sank again twice, after storms. Finally in 1927 when England made the area its own colony, the ship was raised and out into service. Later it became property of the young independent nation of Tanzania, serving as a merchant between Ruanda and Burundi.
It was repaired numerous times adnd is still afloat. The Meyer wharft even proposed to overhaul it thoroughly, but most of the money seems to have vanished in some local warlords' pockets.

Lot more to be said but .. it's all on the web


Over to Jim! :salute:

[Jimbuna]

Yes, if memory serves me correctly I do believe we have had this before.

The hint about it being a boat but not seeing much of the sea led me in the right direction.

Okay then, what is this?

https://i.postimg.cc/T3k7CKNY/jjjjjjj.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

Frank Lloyd Wright villa?

[Jimbuna]

Frank Lloyd Wright villa?

As quick and easy as that :yep:

https://franklloydwright.org/site/fallingwater/

https://i.postimg.cc/RFR2xvvg/ghjkl.jpg (https://postimg.cc/njX3vbjm)

Back to you :salute:

[Catfish]

^ oh no :o
I just saw this wall and.. we had this house as an example in an architecture study long ago

[Catfish]

ok what is this ..

https://i.imgur.com/N2VF4cGm.jpg

[Aktungbby]

a Voisin airplane!:yeah: :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up::Kaleun_Party:

[Catfish]

Yesss!!
Now.. which type :O:

[Aktungbby]

ok what is this ..

https://i.imgur.com/N2VF4cGm.jpg

a Voisin airplane!:yeah: :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up::Kaleun_Party:

Yesss!!
Now.. which type :O: HUH!!U asked "what" not " what type"; moving the goalposts in the moment of glorious victory :hmph:is frowned upon....:O: but now that I've led Skidman to the promised land....:shucks:

[Catfish]

Sorry, i did get something wrong or did you change your post? :hmmm:
I read "It is an airplane" and said Yes, and then you put in "Voisin" after i asked for the type?
But it is NOT a Voisin :O:

Hint: you can see a tiny iron cross at the upper side at the left, and it is not a captured plane either, but a german type.

[d@rk51d3]

It was a long time AGO. :03:

[Aktungbby]

It was a long time AGO. :03:
AGO Flugzeugwerke C.I-

https://tvd.im/uploads/posts/2020/04/ago-c-i_1.jpg I have learned to rely on the d@rk51d3 of the force:haha:

[Catfish]

The force was with you, the AGO C.I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGO_C.I) from june 1915 it is :up: Nice photo :O:

AGO being the abbreviation for "Apparatebau GmbH Oschersleben", "Aerowerke Gustav Otto" and later "Aktiengesllschaft Gustav Otto", and then again renamed to "Gustav Otto Flugmaschinenwerke".

When they went bankrupt in 1916, it was merged with the "Rapp Motorenwerke" (Rapp had constructed the high altitude engine for the Fokker D.VII) to become the "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke AG (BFW), which again later became BMW.

Big hint is the second hull of the forked tail visible at the left, otherwise the undercarriage indeed hints to another pusher configuration like Voisin, Bréguet or Farman – but d@rk51d3 was not distracted and Aktungbby named the exact type!

No rodents were harmed this time, over to Aktungbby :salute:

[Aktungbby]

The force was with you, the AGO C.I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGO_C.I) from june 1915 it is :up: Nice photo :O:

AGO being the abbreviation for "Apparatebau GmbH Oschersleben", "Aerowerke Gustav Otto" and later "Aktiengesllschaft Gustav Otto", and then again renamed to "Gustav Otto Flugmaschinenwerke".

When they went bankrupt in 1916, it was merged with the "Rapp Motorenwerke" (Rapp had constructed the high altitude engine for the Fokker D.VII) to become the "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke AG (BFW), which again later became BMW.

Big hint is the second hull of the forked tail visible at the left, otherwise the undercarriage indeed hints to another pusher configuration like Voisin, Bréguet or Farman – but d@rk51d3 was not distracted and Aktungbby named the exact type!

No rodents were harmed this time, over to Aktungbby :salute:I actually located it using "WWI pusher aircraft", then 'otto', which led to 'flugzeugwerke', then realized d@rk51d3's 'AGO' had been a serious hint...and not just Voisin' an opinion:O: I'll have something mysterious shortly.

[Aktungbby]

SHORTLY: What, where, and what 'world record' is associated with this place? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11895

[Catfish]

Part of a pipeline ?

[Moonlight]

Was the record before the 1950s.

[Eichhörnchen]

Is this in Germany?

[Jimbuna]

Inchindown Oil Tanks,Highland, Scotland.

This abandoned oil depot produces world's longest echo in a manmade structure.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/inchindown-oil-tanks

[Aktungbby]

Part of a pipeline ?

Was the record before the 1950s.

Inchindown Oil Tanks,Highland, Scotland.

This abandoned oil depot produces world's longest echo in a manmade structure.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/inchindown-oil-tanksJIMBUNA TAKES IT! Shucks he's probably looked through
it :D I had seen a whole history channel thing on it two nights ago; especially how German bombers had destroyed above-ground tank #13, necessitating going underground in 1939...:hmmm:
so the whole thing was moved underground.:Kaleun_Salute: https://i.rcahms.gov.uk/canmore/l/DP00065163.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Okay then, who can put a name to this?

https://i.postimg.cc/wvsdrtrp/ffffffffffff.jpg (https://postimages.org/)