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MGR1

06-30-21, 12:07 PM

The complicated dance that is the NI Protocol continues:

NI Protocol is lawful, High Court rules (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57666255)

The Northern Ireland Protocol is lawful, a High Court judge in Belfast has ruled.

A group of unionist politicians, including Arlene Foster and Lord Trimble, had challenged the protocol in judicial review proceedings.

The High Court summary of judgement (https://www.judiciaryni.uk/sites/judiciary/files/decisions/Summary%20of%20judgment%20-%20In%20re%20Jim%20Allister%20and%20others%20%28EU %20Exit%29%20-%20300621.pdf)

They claimed it was unlawful because it conflicts with the 1998 Good Friday Agreement (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-54380051) and the Acts of Union.

But Mr Justice Colton rejected their challenge on all grounds on Wednesday afternoon.

Mr Colton found that the Withdrawal Agreement Act, which includes the protocol, does conflict with the 1800 Acts of Union in respect of free trade between Britain and Northern Ireland.

However, he added that the relevant parts of the Acts of Union are "impliedly repealed" by the Withdrawal Agreement Act.

That means that the more recent legislation automatically overrides the older laws.

He said the Acts of Union could not be used to override the "clear specific will of Parliament".

Normally, a constitutional law, like the Acts of Union, can only be expressly repealed, but they can be impliedly by another constitutional law.
Emphasis mine.

Boris's probable reaction: Oops, I just broke the Union, what do I do now?:doh:

Mike.:hmmm:

Jimbuna

06-30-21, 12:17 PM

^ It's all one big mess atm and I don't see any way it can be resolved to the satisfaction of everyone.

Moonlight

07-01-21, 09:14 AM

So, it's finally happened, Starmer skewers Johnson at PMQs, it bloody took him long enough, his euphoria will be short lived though, the Batley and Spen bi-election results will be in tomorrow morning and I'm expecting the storm clouds to be hovering over Starmers head once again.

PMQs sketch: Keir Starmer pumped Boris Johnson full of bullets in a Godfather-like massacre
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/pmqs-sketch-keir-starmer-pumped-boris-johnson-full-of-bullets-in-a-godfather-like-massacre/ar-AALCTCw?ocid=msedgntp

Moonlight

07-02-21, 04:17 AM

Labour has unexpectedly won the Batley and Spen by-election in West Yorkshire by just over 300 votes, a result which eases the pressure on party leader Sir Keir Starmer.

Sir Keir hailed the “fantastic result” after Kim Leadbeater took the seat with 13,296 votes – a majority of just 323 over Tory candidate Ryan Stephenson in the bitterly-fought contest.

Batley and Spen by-election result – live: Tories say Hancock affair ‘raised by voters’ after slim Labour win
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/batley-and-spen-by-election-result-live-tories-say-hancock-affair-raised-by-voters-after-slim-labour-win/ar-AALEhvT?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Jimbuna

07-02-21, 05:38 AM

Labour won Batley and Spen with 323 votes to spare but that number being only 10% of the previous majority.

First inclinations are that Kim Leadbeater won because of the memory of her sister Jo Cox who was murdered there in 2016 and was the MP for the seat at the time.

Others are claiming a tory victory was lost because of the recent actions of Matt Hancock.

I can't say for sure which if any of the above are correct but seeing former Labour and Respect MP George Galloway third with 8,264 makes one wonder what the outcome might have been.

Jimbuna

07-02-21, 11:07 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/W1gNvv36/Untitled11.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/Bv3qZVPW/Untitled12.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

mapuc

07-09-21, 11:47 AM

Following post is related to EU and UK.

The EU allocates about 1 million Euros in agricultural support to the Prime Minister of the United Arab Emirates, Sheik bin Rashid Al, who is one of the richest men in the world. His farm consists of expensive riding horses, which he has stabled in Britain.

Well he has knowledge on how to milk the cow.

Markus

Jimbuna

07-09-21, 01:20 PM

Downing St has rejected the EU's estimate of the UK's post-Brexit divorce bill after new figures put the total debt at £40.8bn.

The sum was published in the EU's accounts for 2020, which also state that the UK should pay the EU £5.8bn this year.

No 10 insisted the bill - which covers spending commitments made before the UK left the EU - stands between £35-39bn.

It said the EU estimate did not reflect "all the money owed back to the UK".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57778667

Cyborg322

07-09-21, 01:47 PM

The EU will have to join the queue we may have to pay UEFA First

Jimbuna

07-09-21, 01:54 PM

LOL :)

MGR1

07-11-21, 12:28 PM

Don't be too surprised if Northern Ireland makes the news for all the wrong reasons tomorrow:

It's the 12th of July. LINK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelfth).:doh:

Nor would I be too surprised if we get a bit of violent behavior somewhere in the Clyde Valley.

Mike.

Jimbuna

07-11-21, 01:35 PM

I certainly wouldn't be surprised at all....having been forced to work overtime on said day previously in the past.

MGR1

07-13-21, 12:10 PM

Looks like everyone was well behaved:

Twelfth parades across Northern Ireland 'passed without incident' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57785742)

Good.

Mike.

Jimbuna

07-13-21, 01:54 PM

Who'd have guessed that prior?

MGR1

07-15-21, 09:54 AM

BoJo has managed something few other mainland UK politicians have done - annoyed both sides of NI's political spectrum.:hmmm:

Mike.

Jimbuna

07-15-21, 01:30 PM

True that :yep:

Jimbuna

07-25-21, 10:43 AM

Boris Johnson and Ursula von der Leyen have failed to reach agreement on UK demands to reshape post-Brexit arrangements in Northern Ireland.

The PM and president of the European Commission spoke earlier about the UK's suggested changes to the Northern Ireland protocol.

Ms von der Leyen said that the EU will "not renegotiate" the original deal.

But a Downing Street spokesman said the PM reiterated the protocol is "unsustainable" and must be changed.

Mr Johnson also urged German Chancellor Angela Merkel to consider "significant changes" to the agreement during a call on Thursday, No 10 said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57930799

Jimbuna

07-25-21, 12:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyaVI-k68LA

Catfish

07-25-21, 03:15 PM

Still posting russian propaganda to divide your nation?
What i see is Johnson and the right wing are willfully trying to finally destroy the BBC, this only broadcasting corporation that is in any respect taken seriously outside of England.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/taking-aim-at-the-beeb-the-bbc-is-under-pressure-as-boris-johnson-tightens-the-screws-a-d8e05b82-089b-4439-a21f-240feff3e06c

https://www.blaetter.de/en/2021/07/the-politics-of-lies-boris-johnson-and-the-erosion-of-the-rule-of-law

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-bbc-license-fee-tories-netflix-a9338631.html

Skybird

07-25-21, 04:34 PM

In the politics of polarization, every ground in the middle must be destroyed.

And today, every ownber of a yelling vpoice with power ambitions uses it. From Trump to the EU HQ, from Johnson to putin, from Fridays for Future to Bolsonaro. They all aim at maximum possible polarization,a ccortding to GW Bushs given parole: "either you are with us, or you are against us."

No prisoners taken. No negotiations wanted. The winners wants it all.

mapuc

07-25-21, 04:57 PM

Can't remember if asked it before I don't remember any answer given to me.

Does anyone of you know what the outcome would be if the negotiation between UK and EU on the Northern Ireland - Ireland border issue collapse ?

As I understand it if it fails there will be a hard border between these two.

Markus

Skybird

07-25-21, 05:43 PM

Yes, hard Irish-Irish border.
Plus a full cancellation/invaldiation of the whole Brexit treaty, becasue the EU sees the NI protocol as integrated part of Brexit treaty. "Either all, or nothing at all."

Formally, the UK is to exclusively blame over this. They could and should have know what they signed.

The whole Ireland issue cannot logically, resonably be solved. Its beyond a logical, reasonable solution.

mapuc

07-25-21, 06:00 PM

Jimbuna

07-26-21, 09:15 AM

I watched a documentary a few nights ago which explained the changes since Brexit in paperwork requirements imposed by the EU on exporting from the UK and in some instances a previous requirement of one or two pages has now grown to over two hundred.

Now if the EU continue to play silly buggas and continue to put obstacles in place thinking they are punishing us they are actually playing into Boris hands because the UK resolve is strengthening in this area.

It is widely believed Boris only agreed to the NI protocol to get Brexit over the line which is essentially why he was elected (look at what happened to Theresa May by direct comparison)

The threat of the current NI protocol is a direct threat to the whole NI peace agreement so the EU should consider carefully what its position is.

Next moves if the EU continue to refuse to re-negotiate will probably mean 1) invoking Article 16 2) rip up the treaty paying nothing more in a divorce settlement 3) go to WTO terms.

4) (shudder it should ever come to this) a so called hard border in Ireland and all that chaos it would potentially bring about....who's going to build it? the French? Italians? Germans?

I'm absolutely certain of one thing and that is the fact it won't be the unelected bureaucrat clowns from Brussels who are doing their very best to create this impasse.

When will that political failure of a woman who even makes Jean-Claude Juncker look interesting and intelligent come to her senses and realise there is a growing feeling of unease amongst EU member states therefore putting her own house in order first must surely be the real priority here.

Boris isn't my cup of tea but he turned a Parliamentary deficit (May excelled in doing that) into a sizeable majority on the back of a promise to get Brexit sorted and that he did. Whether you blame the press on whichever side or the bankers or whoever else, the resultant outcome is and was the same.

The eyes of the world look on as both sides jockey for their own preferred outcomes and irregardless of how it pans out there will inevitably be much damage done to both sides.

So on it goes.

Skybird

07-26-21, 09:57 AM

While I agree on the backgroud intentions and motives, I nevertheless must point out the fact that the UK signed a treaty that said this, and said not that. Pacta sund servanda. The inner contradictions were crystalcear and known since years. If the UK now decides that it now wants to break the treaty it has just signed (and it plays absolutely no role WHY it has signed it, what counts only is what is written in it by the letter), then it must accept to be the one who breaks it. Its not the EU this time.

Also, since you asked for it, when the Troubles still were there, who suffered from it and fought it and paid for it - continental Europe and the EEU, or the UK and the Irish? The material and humane mess will be your shares, not "ours". "We" are practically unaffected by it.

Johnson may have broken up a stalled situation, as you described, but he did not make the contradictions in it go away, he only gave them another format. They are still there. As I said, the issue of NI is impossible to solve by reason and logic. Either it is left as it is, or one has to accept to change it by force - and then by getting very dirty hands. This will not turn out nice and tidy - that is not possible.

One side will see a major diplomatic defeat here, and I think it will be the UK, either by accepting the status quo and the NI protocol, or by falling back to WTO rules and then being seen by the eyes of the world as the someone who signs treaties only to break them already in the very first year. Means: treaties with the UK are not worth the paper they are printed on. Thats the lesson many states will take from it.

No matter what is being done, this can only turn nasty and ugly. But currently I must say I absolutely would prefer to shop in a German, French, Danish, Austrian or Dutch supermarket instead of a British one.

mapuc

07-26-21, 10:51 AM

No matter what is being done, this can only turn nasty and ugly.

That doesn't sound expectant at all. Isn't there any solution to this
N.I. problem ?

I thought either a divorce from UK and become fully independent or become part of Ireland would solve it.

Markus

Skybird

07-26-21, 11:05 AM

Ask the Northern Irish.

And London will be pleased as well... I mean it means the desintegration of the United Kingdom. If NI leaves, then Scotland will be next, probably also Wales. And that is it then with the "united" and "kingdom". Then it is only England, and England alone.

The DUP in NI would prefer to stay with the UK. Also a majority of the population, I think.

They ha da referendum early in the 70s, 72 or 73. As far as I recall the Catholics boycotted it almost compeltley, so only 6 in 10 voted. But of these, almost all voted for the UK, 98 or 99%. So even if the Cathllcis would have voted for goping toegtehjr with the RoI, the referebndum woudl have failed.

However, that is almost two generations ago. Half a century. And in the mists of the national historic records looms this ugly beast named religion.

Skybird

07-28-21, 10:58 AM

The Lugano Convention. Another major complication that the EU can and does use to press the UK.

I was not aware of this.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/28/business/lugano-convention-uk-europe-dispute-intl-cmd/index.html

Jimbuna

07-28-21, 11:56 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31zWjdTs-Rw

mapuc

07-28-21, 12:09 PM

This action packed series you post here in our UK Politics Thread, will it be shown on Netflix. How many seasons are there and how many episode ?

If it's a great action series I'll take a look at it when it comes to Netflix.

Markus

Jimbuna

07-28-21, 12:17 PM

Wish I knew what that is supposed to mean.

mapuc

07-28-21, 12:20 PM

Wish I knew what that is supposed to mean.

Sorry it was my attempt trying to be funny about these video clip you post now and then.

Markus

Jimbuna

07-28-21, 12:25 PM

Sorry it was my attempt trying to be funny about these video clip you post now and then.

Markus

I suspected as much but didn't want to respond without an element of certainty.

Jimbuna

08-06-21, 12:10 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/MKVbk57v/Untitled11.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Cyborg322

08-06-21, 01:44 PM

Comment repackaged as an enviro friendly move by Thatcher by a Government who a few years ago had Zero road tax for diesels Another slur and backstab for people of Lancashire Yorkshire and the North East in particular. "Levelling up" is more like beating down

CheckSix

08-06-21, 03:42 PM

...treaties with the UK are not worth the paper they are printed on. Thats the lesson many states will take from it.

Because the EU never break agreements do they?
For years the EU has ignored WTO rulings on GMOs and hormone treated beef. The Court of Justice of the European Union has, at least twice, ruled that the EU does not have to follow international law, once in the context of WTO law (Portugal v Council) and once (the Kadi-Barakaat case) actually ruling that the EU should ignore the UN Charter, the highest order of international law, if it conflicts with the EU’s internal structures.

Neither does the EU abide by its own internal treaty obligations. When France or Germany broke treaty commitments in terms of deficits and debt levels, nothing happened. When Poland and Hungary undermine the very rule of law within the EU, there is much talk and zero action. Whether the European Central Bank is currently operating within the constraints of the treaties is up for debate.

And the EU is not alone. China repeatedly breaks international law, in the South China Sea, in its treatment of Uyghurs, in not abiding by WTO rules, in Hong Kong, etc., etc., etc. Yet the EU expends great energy securing an EU-China trade deal.

Israel has for years lived in contravention of international law with its West Bank settlements. Yet the EU carries on normal relations with Israel.

And on it goes.

On that note, here are the legal reasons the EU has already broken its own treaty with the UK :
An essential condition of participating in the Withdrawal Agreement (WA) was to secure a free trade agreement (FTA);
The EU has been acting in breach of a material term of the WA by denying the UK an FTA;
The EU has attempted to impose wholly unreasonable restrictions on the UK which no other country would accept;
The treaty was therefore entered into by the UK on a false premise from the EU;
The EU has breached its legal obligation to act in good faith;
The WA breaks the terms of the Good Friday Agreement;
The WA is in breach of the ECHR principle of the right to vote;
The WA is in breach of the UN Charter's principle of “self-determination”, its most important tenet;
Therefore the UK Government has no option but to supersede and revoke this deeply flawed, obstructive withdrawal agreement.

Jimbuna

08-11-21, 02:17 PM

A British man has been arrested in Germany on suspicion of spying for Russia.

German federal prosecutors said the man - named only as David S - worked at the British embassy in Berlin.

He allegedly passed documents to Russian intelligence "at least once" in exchange for an "unknown amount" of money.

He was arrested in Potsdam outside Berlin on Tuesday and his home and workplace have been searched.

A spokesman for Germany's foreign ministry quoted by AFP news agency said Berlin was taking the case "very seriously", and said spying by "a close alliance partner on German soil is unacceptable".

The arrest was the result of a joint UK-German investigation, the statement read.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58170872

Jimbuna

08-18-21, 01:31 PM

Boris Johnson has faced a barrage of criticism from MPs over the UK's role in Afghanistan, in an emergency House of Commons debate on the crisis.

His predecessor as PM Theresa May said it was "incomprehensible" the UK was not doing more to maintain a presence, while ex-minister Johnny Mercer demanded more help for veterans.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer accused Mr Johnson of "staggering complacency".

But Mr Johnson argued Nato's "core mission" in Afghanistan had succeeded.

Addressing a packed Commons, he said the country had been largely cleared of al-Qaeda terrorists, while the population had enjoyed better education, women's rights and free elections since the 2001 invasion.

But Conservative MP Tom Tugendhat, who chairs the Commons foreign affairs committee and himself served in Afghanistan, said it had been "shameful" of US President Joe Biden to question the willingness of the Afghan army to fight the Taliban.

And, in an emotional speech that was heard in silence, he told of grief and rage felt by veterans at the "abandonment" of Afghanistan.

UK troops ceased combat operations in 2014 and most of those who remained, primarily to help train the Afghan army, left last month.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58254794

Jimbuna

08-21-21, 08:16 AM

SNP-Greens deal pledges indyref2 within five years
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-58272209

Jimbuna

09-07-21, 01:05 PM

A double Betrayal or Simply the Inevitable?

The government has confirmed a one-year suspension of the "triple lock" formula for annual state pension increases.

The move follows government concern that a big post-pandemic rise in average earnings would have meant pensions increasing by 8%.

Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey said the average earnings component would be disregarded in the 2022-23 financial year.

Instead, the rise will be the consumer inflation rate or 2.5%.

The Conservatives promised in their 2019 election manifesto to maintain the triple lock formula.

Ms Coffey's announcement came just hours after Prime Minister Boris Johnson breached another manifesto commitment by increasing National Insurance to fund health and social care.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58476547

Jimbuna

09-19-21, 06:36 AM

The former shadow chancellor John McDonnell has claimed Labour is losing members "hand over fist".

In a BBC interview, he suggested that disciplinary action against some members on the Left of the party had made many others feel "unwelcome", and in some cases "intimidated".

He is calling for the Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer to call a summit with his critics next week, as Labour prepares for its in-person annual conference, to address their 'grievances".

Otherwise, he said, an internal party row could dominate the first day of the Labour conference in Brighton.

And he was critical of the way Labour's disciplinary process is being applied.

In July, Labour's ruling body - the National Executive - declared that membership of four groupings would be incompatible with party membership.

In other words, these groups were banned, or, in the jargon, proscribed.

Three of the groups - Labour Against the Witchhunt, Labour in Exile network, and Resist - had been criticised by party officials for downplaying the toxic anti-Semitism issue.

Labour is duty-bound to follow an action plan agreed with the Equality and Human Rights Commission to tackle anti-Semitism, following a report published in 2020.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58591455

It would appear the opposition party are intent on destroying themselves from within.

Jimbuna

10-15-21, 09:21 AM

Totally senseless :nope:

Conservative MP Sir David Amess has died after being stabbed at his constituency surgery in Essex.

Police said a man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after the stabbing in Leigh-on-Sea.

They said they recovered a knife and were not looking for anyone else in connection to the incident.

Sir David, 69, had been an MP since 1983 and was married with five children.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58930593

Onkel Neal

10-15-21, 01:01 PM

Good lord, there is no shortage of lunatics in the world today. Sorry to hear.

mapuc

10-16-21, 12:16 PM

The news here said it was a Somalian refugees who did it and something with classify it as terror.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-17-21, 05:00 AM

Skybird

10-17-21, 08:40 AM

We harvest what we have sown.

The - still underestimated - motivational power of Islam's ideology. Religious fanatism already is bad enough and in principle a dangerous mental desease.

Even worse it is if fanatism is the explicit goal and aim and focus of a religion, its content and claimed duty.

Worst it gets when said religion claims the constitutional guarantee for free religious practicing in order to enforce its most secular political goals and to make them unattainable for criticism: "That is my religion, and you owe me my religious freedom according to your very own laws." Powerpolitics under disguise of claiming to be religion.

Western law systems and constitutions are in no way prepared to defend themselves against this abuse, they are totally helpless and just helplessly stand in awe. And Westerners still do not get it. They do not want to understand it, since this would need them to give up precious naive world views.

And thats why I say just this:

We harvest what we have sown.

Good-naturedness is no excuse to be stupid.

Jimbuna

10-17-21, 01:05 PM

The family of MP Sir David Amess have said their hearts are shattered as they called on people to "set aside hatred and work towards togetherness".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58949153

Jimbuna

10-19-21, 12:34 PM

Experts have criticised plans to subsidise low-carbon heat pumps in place of gas boilers for homeowners in England and Wales from next April.

Households will be offered subsidies of £5,000 from next April to help them make the switch.

Although up to 25 million UK homes have gas boilers, the grants will fund just 90,000 pumps over three years.

The government says this will boost demand for the pumps, but critics say the plan does not go far enough.

Homeowners will be encouraged to switch to a heat pump or other low-carbon technology when their current boiler needs replacing.

An air-source heat pump costs between £6,000 and £18,000, depending on the type installed and the size of a property.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58959045

Sounds good but in reality only scratches the surface.

Skybird

10-19-21, 01:26 PM

Its bollocks for most existing houses.

For Wärmepumpen/Heat Pumps to work well you need to have all tubes and heating being adapted to the technology as well, its not just the heat pump itself that replaces the old heater/oven. You need to also isolate the walls of houses well enough. Estimations for germany say that over 90% of existing houses are unsuited for this technology, nevertehless it gets promoted like crazy over here, too. As if it were a free ticket into paradise. It isn't, like so many other super recipes of the smarties, too.

If environmental and weather circumstances work against you, these things switch to electric heating, you heat with electricity then. In Germany at least electricity is extremely expensive, and not just since recent weeks, but since many years.

Its the unforgiving reality catching up with hysterically overacting human beings.

The technology can work well enough. In the right place and almostz ideal circumstances. And if you build a new house around it.

In my property owner's assembly where I am a part of, we have therefor voted to nill against this switch. We will need to go with gas in the future, therefore. Which is not really encouraging.

If we were clever, wichi Germans aren'T, we would have already reversed the killing of nuclear power long time ago, and would have started to build new nuclear powerplants. Instead our last remaining nukies will be switched off next year.

Well, in coming years there will be many more unpleasant surprises from the ideological hysteria politics nowadays get driven by.

Russia has declared almost economic war on the EU over energy, its not so much Nord Stream 2 they are about, but they want the EU states to kill their climate goals that demand end of fossil fuels by 2030. The goal is unrealistic anyway, it will not be met, but Russia has understood that still it could suffer serious loss of income earlier than it thought. Therefore they have started to shoot hot against this policy. Thats why I am very pessimistic that negotiations cna lead them to deliver more gas than they are demanded by existing treaties. They want new treaties of very long duration, far beyond 2030. To deliver more gas additionally now would be against their interests. I wonder why they are expected to act against their interests. They do, tit for tat, what existing treaties demand them to do, and not one bit more. And I expect them to not do one little thing more over this winter. The worse the winter becomes, the better an ally it is for them.

I forsee this winter becoming very disruptive for European states.

Jimbuna

10-19-21, 01:29 PM

Its bollocks for most existing houses.

Most certainly is:yep:

Jimbuna

10-21-21, 08:43 AM

The man arrested by police following the killing of the MP Sir David Amess has been named as Ali Harbi Ali.

The 25-year-old is being held under the Terrorism Act and officers have until Friday to question him.

The BBC understands Mr Ali was referred to the counter-terrorist Prevent scheme some years ago, but was never a formal subject of interest to MI5.

Whitehall officials told the BBC that the man being held was Ali Harbi Ali, a British man of Somali heritage.

Police said a man, who was held on suspicion of the MP's murder in Essex on Friday, was now being held at London police station after being rearrested under the Terrorism Act.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58943184

Almost a week after his arrest but he has now been formally charged with murder.

A 25-year-old man has been charged with murder and the preparation of terrorist acts after the fatal stabbing of MP Sir David Amess.

Ali Harbi Ali was arrested following the attack at a constituency surgery in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, on Friday.

Sir David, a Conservative MP since 1983, suffered multiple stab wounds and died at the scene.

Mr Ali is a British man whose father is a former adviser to Somalia's prime minister.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58997590

Gorpet

10-21-21, 09:48 PM

Almost a week after his arrest but he has now been formally charged with murder.

What i find on the internet, He was stabbed 17 times is this true? If so it's very disturbing. Here in the USA if your stabbed that many times by a person of another culture. They ask what did you do to provoke it. So he must have done something or said something to offend this man. What is the truth?

mapuc

10-22-21, 11:50 AM

Heard he had been radicalized in a mosque near by. By some fanatic Imam.
(Got no confirmation on this-So until it does-it's hearsay)

Markus

Catfish

10-22-21, 01:40 PM

Most people radicalize themselves over the internet nowadays.
Just keep visiting certain forums and make your preferences and interests known by Google that way, and the algorhythms will provide you with the stuff you need to go crazy.
And then "TRUTH social" my donkey :har:

mapuc

10-22-21, 01:43 PM

Jimbuna

10-23-21, 05:10 AM

What i find on the internet, He was stabbed 17 times is this true? If so it's very disturbing. Here in the USA if your stabbed that many times by a person of another culture. They ask what did you do to provoke it. So he must have done something or said something to offend this man. What is the truth?

Only the radicalised nut job can answer that question.

Gorpet

10-27-21, 10:25 PM

Only the radicalised nut job can answer that question.

Your right. I know your country now has as mine does, we have thousands! and if you believe and are"willing" to be woke and radicalised. Murder is on the plate.

Skybird

10-31-21, 05:32 PM

France has privately requested that the European Union steps up its opposition to British actions in the ongoing fishing row, telling Brussels it should demonstrate to the public that it is more damaging to leave the EU than to stay.

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-requests-tougher-eu-action-over-uk-fishing-row-in-private-letter/

Well, it has always been about this. Not the fishing, but demonstrating that it is more damaging to leave the EU than to stay. A precedence is wanted that illustrates that you do not leave the honourable family without

the traitor needing to pay the price for his treason. Family memberhship is for life. In Italy, everybody knows that.

Arlo

10-31-21, 06:08 PM

... woke and (radicalized) ...

Two different things, `ol boy. :shucks:

Jimbuna

11-01-21, 09:39 AM

Jimbuna

11-01-21, 10:40 AM

Jimbuna

11-01-21, 10:41 AM

The UK is prepared to take legal action against France over the ongoing row about post-Brexit fishing rights, Foreign Secretary Liz Truss has warned.

Last month, the UK and Jersey denied permits to dozens of French boats to operate in their waters.

In retaliation, France threatened to block British boats from some of its ports and cut electricity to Jersey.

Ms Truss told the BBC that France was acting "unfairly" in setting a deadline for issuing more fishing permits.

Officials in Paris say that, unless this happens by Tuesday, they will take action.

Representatives from the European Commission, France, the UK and the Channel Islands will hold talks on Monday afternoon.

A commission spokesperson said they hoped the meeting would bring a "swift solution on the outstanding issues".

France has accused the UK of making a "political choice" by rejecting "more than 40%" of French boats' applications to fish in UK and Channel Island waters.

But the UK's Brexit minister Lord Frost has said the UK had been "very generous" in granting 98% of applications from EU vessels.

On Monday, Ms Truss told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that fishing licences had been awarded to French boats "entirely in accordance" with the post-Brexit deal between the EU and UK.

She warned that unless France withdrew its threats, the UK was prepared to "use the dispute resolution mechanism in the trade deal we signed with the EU to take action against the French".

"We're simply not going to roll over in the face of these threats," she added.

For Labour, shadow business secretary Ed Miliband told Sky News he "didn't like the way the French had behaved" and urged both sides to "lower the temperature" of the debate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59117529

mapuc

11-01-21, 10:48 AM

Are we witnessing an upcoming fishing war ?

Markus

Jimbuna

11-01-21, 11:13 AM

Are we witnessing an upcoming fishing war ?

Markus

I doubt it....more likely a trade war if anything.

Macron is obviously desperate to bring the electorate onside for next years election.

He is taking an unnecessary gamble imho because matters could blow up in his face.

Catfish

11-01-21, 12:43 PM

^ I take it the above also perfectly fits for Mr. Johnson. And of course any diversion from the general mess is being welcomed and blown up... :03:
I also thought that the UK does not even have enough crews or boats for fishing, since they "outsourced" their fleet and sold the fishing rights along with that.
Funny how all are always "retaliating" https://theconversation.com/brexit-fish-wars-history-explains-why-france-and-the-uk-get-so-angry-about-access-to-the-seas-170837

Exocet25fr

11-01-21, 03:06 PM

Perfide Albion again! :haha:

Rosbeefs voted Brexit, and now they want the butter, the money from the butter and the creamer......! :har:

And, they forgot to pay about migrants in Calais too....!:D

All French people hope France maintains its threats.....but with Macron we don't know...!

mapuc

11-01-21, 03:35 PM

Those of you who are British defend UK in this and those of you who are French defend Macron/France.

I say let your elected politician do the sand throwing thing.

It's unnecessary that we act in same way.

Markus

Exocet25fr

11-01-21, 06:33 PM

I'm french, but I don't defend our dictator micron !:/\\chop

Jimbuna

11-02-21, 07:46 AM

France will delay retaliatory measures against the UK while talks over post-Brexit fishing rights continue, Emmanuel Macron has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59127717

Skybird

11-02-21, 08:11 AM

Gender fascists strike again, claiming another innocent victim of sane reasonability. Reactions by politicians coming to defence as usual sound halfhearted and hesitent, not convincing me.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-59084446

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/uk-professor-kathleen-stock-quits-her-university-position-amid-transphobic-comments-row-2592246

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/28/sussex-professor-kathleen-stock-resigns-after-transgender-rights-row

Ironically she is said to be close to the feminist camp, so not really a right-wing nutzy or something like that.

It tells a,lot about the cointemporary world if you cannot even say anymore that you cannot change your biological sex at will.

Jimbuna

11-07-21, 02:55 PM

Irish minister says UK 'preparing' to suspend parts of NI deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59198125

Skybird

11-07-21, 06:22 PM

If the UK does that, the EU must and will implement a hard border between the IR and NI to prevent the UK using a hidden backdoor into the EU common market. Its not relevant whether I like that or not - that is what from a purely functional point of view the EU must do to prevent that, its the only way. Thats is the termination of any trade deal between the EU and the UK.

Think I stockpile another year's reserve in Q10 then. :D

The Irish issue was the big trip wire in all the Brexit agreements and negotiations from all beginning on. They ignored it and hoped the fairy queen would solve it magically for them. Did nobody ever tell them that fairies do not exist?

This was to be expected.

Jimbuna

11-08-21, 03:11 PM

^ Only time will tell but either way there are going to be far reaching consequences.

Skybird

11-08-21, 03:34 PM

If you want to earn some additional pocket money, I think in Delphi they seek a new oracle speaker. :D

Jimbuna

11-09-21, 02:26 PM

:up::)

mapuc

11-23-21, 01:32 PM

My Friends from UK

What's your opinion on Boris Johnsons Gurli Pig speak ?

Must be coming to age-First it was Joe Biden who spoke incoherent and now Boris

Markus

Jimbuna

11-24-21, 06:43 AM

He's simply confirming what many people already suspected....a blithering idiot at times.

Skybird

11-24-21, 07:34 PM

Relations with Germany will cool after the new government took to office. Both Scholz and Baerbock, latter being the most likely foreign minister, will be more confronting in their unwavering support of official EU positions that go head-to-head with UK wishes and desires, than Merkel was. And Merkel already was jovial, but cool. For Johnson, this government is no good news.

France gains influence, and tremendously so, with its ambitions, with germany beign weak now and the giovenrment beign far more open for pet hobbies of French goals for the EU (namely the transfer union), and Brussels will benefit. Not good for the UK. Not good for liberty and self-responsibility and serious management of state budgets.

Poland and Hungary will feel colder winds in their faces, too.

Impressing Russia and China and the US ( under both Biden and future Trump 2) this new government cannot, it lacks the weight and the means of power to be taken that serious by these powers.

Jimbuna

11-25-21, 08:32 AM

^ Interesting times ahead then.

mapuc

12-06-21, 04:49 PM

In our elected politician we trust.

Sir Lindsay told the BBC: "The accounts of drug misuse in Parliament given to the Sunday Times are deeply concerning, and I will be raising them as a priority with the Metropolitan Police next week. I expect to see full and effective enforcement of the law.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-59539589

Scary to think about elected politicians who has problem staying on the right side of the law.

Markus

Jimbuna

12-07-21, 08:54 AM

Yes, standards have been steadily declining over recent years but I think the same can be said of quite a few other countries as well.

mapuc

12-07-21, 10:03 AM

Yes, standards have been steadily declining over recent years but I think the same can be said of quite a few other countries as well.

Indeed they found traces of cocaine in the Danish Parliament some years ago and not so long after this, some politician got caught high on cocaine and with x-gram cocaine on him. He was driving.

Markus

Skybird

12-09-21, 03:34 PM

German press titles that the latest scandal is the one scandal that marks the beginning of the end of Johnson, and that he is currently loosing indispensible amounts of trust.

How does the British public see it? Realistic German assessment - or wishful thinking?

Jimbuna

12-11-21, 07:01 AM

Probably end up like Thatcher did and get dragged off his throne but I think that is stil;l a little way off happening.

A majority like he has in Parliament is a good buffer.

Jimbuna

12-16-21, 11:18 AM

^ Are the sands of time beginning to run out?

Tory MPs told they can email letters of no confidence in Boris Johnson over Christmas
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-mps-told-they-can-email-letters-of-no-confidence-in-boris-johnson-over-christmas/ar-AARR8Xs?li=BBoPWjQ

Jimbuna

12-17-21, 09:37 AM

No surprises regarding the election result last night then.

The Liberal Democrats have won the North Shropshire by-election, taking a seat the Tories have held for nearly 200 years.

Winner Helen Morgan took the seat by nearly 6,000 votes, overturning a Conservative majority of almost 23,000

Boris Johnson says he has to accept the voters' verdict and that he understands "people's frustrations"

Morgan says the "party is over" for Johnson and punctures a balloon with his name on it as the Lib Dems celebrate.

The poll came after a turbulent month for the PM, with intense scrutiny on lockdown parties in Downing Street last year.

He also faced a rebellion of 100 of his MPs this week over Covid regulations.

Veteran Tory MP Roger Gale gives the PM a warning, saying: "One more strike and he's out"

Former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron says voters in North Shropshire spoke "for the whole of Britain last night"

Skybird

12-18-21, 10:18 AM

He is not yet gone through the door out, by I think he already got handed his coat.

Corona blew it for him and Brexit.

Could it be that the virus is EU-made? Asking this in all innocence, of course.

Of course. :D

Catfish

12-18-21, 12:51 PM

Corona blew it for him and Brexit.
Could it be that the virus is EU-made? Asking this in all innocence, of course.
Of course. :D
Of course it is all the EU's fault, even what happens at Aldebaran now.
Don't ask how i know :)

mapuc

12-18-21, 01:06 PM

Of course it is all the EU's fault, even what happens at Aldebaran now.
Don't ask how i know :)

Staying OT
Rumours has it that the storm troppers are clones from Frau Merkel.
End of OT.

Markus

Skybird

12-18-21, 02:59 PM

Rumours has it that the storm troppers are clones from Frau Merkel.

^ :D :har: Scheisse der war gut! :haha:

Jimbuna

12-19-21, 01:00 PM

As if things couldn't get any worse.

Conservative MPs are split over the resignation of Brexit Minister Lord Frost, who left his post on Saturday.

The peer told Boris Johnson he had "concerns about the current direction of travel" of the government, including over Covid policy, urging the PM to avoid introducing "coercive measures".

Tory backbenchers who share his views have called his exit a "disaster".

But others in the party said it offered a chance to "press the reset button" in negotiations with the EU.

Lord Frost's departure comes days after the PM faced the largest rebellion of his premiership from his own backbenches over measures to limit the spread of the new Omicron variant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59719912

Jimbuna

12-19-21, 01:32 PM

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss will replace Lord Frost as the UK's lead negotiator with the EU in post-Brexit talks.

She will retain her role as foreign minister alongside the new post leading negotiations over the Northern Ireland Protocol.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59721801

Skybird

12-20-21, 08:05 AM

Another nail in his coffin?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

How dumb and/or reality-disconnected are these people? Did they consider themselves safe or could they simply not imagine what message this would send if ever being reported like it now happenes?

Anti-coronistas will find this to be welcomed ammunition.

Jimbuna

12-20-21, 08:37 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/T3VBQcQG/8064b05a6ffc19e68b5036fd53bd2744.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Catfish

12-20-21, 11:26 AM

^ :D

May 2020:

https://i.imgur.com/edgMEGOm.jpg

Jimbuna

12-21-21, 08:27 AM

Pleading 'Not Guilty' :o

A man has pleaded not guilty to the murder of MP Sir David Amess in an alleged terror attack.

Ali Harbi Ali, 25, from Kentish Town, north London, appeared at the Old Bailey to deny murdering the Conservative politician on 15 October.

Sir David, an MP since 1983, was holding a constituency surgery in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, when he was stabbed multiple times.

The father of five - who was 69 years old - died at the scene.

The defendant also pleaded not guilty to preparing acts of terrorism between May 2019 and September 2021.

It is alleged the preparations included engaging in reconnaissance of locations of targets to attack, namely the Houses of Parliament and addresses associated with MPs, and conducting internet research relating to targets.

Mr Ali entered not guilty pleas at a hearing before Mr Justice Sweeney at the Old Bailey in London.

The senior judge appeared virtually from Manchester Crown Court while Mr Ali was in the dock at the Central Criminal Court in London.

The defendant wore a blue sweatshirt and grey jogging bottoms and stood with his arms crossed as he confirmed his identity and entered pleas without removing his face mask.

Mr Ali was arrested at Belfairs Methodist Church Hall in Leigh-on-Sea where it is alleged he stabbed Sir David, MP for Southend West.

Following the half-hour hearing, Mr Ali was remanded in custody ahead of his trial on 21 March 2022.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59739947

Skybird

12-26-21, 08:11 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/25/one-year-on-most-voters-say-brexit-has-gone-badly

Fairness commands that these results obviously are massively distorted by Covid having tackled Brexit seriously and pretty badly. "Blutgrätsche von hinten" we call it in German.

A time of lack was to be expected with brexit (and without Covid). Not as serious as Covid made it, but still. But then I would have expected a time of compendaiton and then a time of rise above the level possible with having stayed in the EU. I counted in a timeframe of 4-8 years for the final outocme to show up, so, ther eis still time. But I doubt that the deficits and rifts causded by Covid (and a most treacherous France) will be compensated for withion this time. I hope I am wrong.

Not all is Johnson's fault, though much is. But Covid could not have been on anyone's radar screen. For the time being it has crippled and ruined Brexit.

Jimbuna

12-26-21, 08:59 AM

Skybird

12-26-21, 03:26 PM

Immigration rules are to be temporarily relaxed for overseas care workers in a bid to recruit and keep staff, the government has announced.

Social care workers, care assistants and home care workers are to become eligible for a health and care visa for a 12-month period.

The government said this would make it easier to fill gaps in workforces.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59785227
A 12 months visa? I wonder how attractive that is for foreigners when they should enter through a door that already has "Exit" written on it. Not very, I bet. Even less so since many nations seek caretakers and nurses - and offer better conditions.

Catfish

12-26-21, 04:23 PM

What a load of tosh. A 12 month period with all the paperwork, for a country that kicked them out in an air of british superiority on one and bloody foreigners on the other side. Even if, what after those 12 months?
And "easier to fill gaps in workforces", how very "attractive". The image delivered can only be described as snotty and arrogant :doh:

Skybird

12-26-21, 05:42 PM

I must agree with Catfish there. It sounds very - well, politely said: unrealistic. Disconnected.

I know that if I were just thrown out and being told I am not wanted anyway, I would not return anyway, and even less so under these newly formulated conditions. 't would be more expenses than profits gained. "Be welcome, we appreciate your help, you are needed!" looks and sounds very different.

It will not work.

Jimbuna

12-27-21, 06:35 AM

In actual fact, I agree with you both :yep:

Jimbuna

01-01-22, 10:16 AM

More crap during the festive period.

https://i.postimg.cc/VkrWxn5V/Untitled11.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NKtXTy66)
https://i.postimg.cc/Qd2JhCTx/Untitled12.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

MGR1

01-12-22, 12:22 PM

The unfortunate thing about Boris and "Partygate" is that it's reminded me that Michael Fabricant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Fabricant) exists.

Does this... blimp... realise how ridiculous he looks?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Michael_Fabricant.jpg/576px-Michael_Fabricant.jpg

Mike.:doh:

Jimbuna

01-12-22, 12:42 PM

I understand some people think he is the love child of Boris

Catfish

01-12-22, 01:14 PM

:har:

Jimbuna

01-12-22, 01:43 PM

:O:

Skybird

01-12-22, 06:23 PM

Slowly and over time, more and more Tories are joining the swans' choire to sing the vergil for Johnson, or is that a mistaking impression?

And if he goes out, what will this mean for the policies of the UK, namely Brexit-related policy? Dissatisfaction with Brexit seems to have grown, has not waned. Still a majority behind it?

Can the EU hope to see its demands over Ireland through in the light of Johnson's obvious erosion? Can France push harder and more succesfully, even more so now that Germany is obviously the weakest in decades?

Jimbuna

01-13-22, 08:40 AM

It would take 54 'no confidence' letters to the 1022 Committee to force a vote of confidence.

I think it quite telling that Rishi Sunak has not yet publicly supported Johnson.

Most will probably be awaiting the result of the current ongoing enquiry before declaring there position and no doubt Boris will be hoping matters die down nin the next week or so before the findings are released.

Skybird

01-15-22, 05:53 AM

Worse and worse...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-wine-time-fridays-25951853

Jimbuna

01-15-22, 06:24 AM

Worse and worse...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-wine-time-fridays-25951853

Most definitely and I suspect there will be much more revealed by the current ongoing investigation but rather worryingly, it is being said that Boris himself picked the senior civil servant (Sue Gray) who is heading up the investigation, so the outcome may have been dictated to her and even rumours she herself has attended such gatherings.

Jimbuna

01-15-22, 06:26 AM

Boris Johnson must "lead or step aside", senior Tory and former minister Tobias Ellwood has told the BBC.

Mr Ellwood, who chairs the defence select committee, said "we need leadership" following reports of parties being held in Downing Street while Covid restrictions were in place.

It comes as hundreds of angry constituents contact their MPs.

The government has urged people to reserve judgement until senior civil servant Sue Gray's inquiry is finished.

But Andrew Bridgen, Conservative MP for North West Leicestershire, said: "I don't need to see what Sue Gray says to know that for me Boris Johnson has lost the moral authority to lead the country.

"If there's another emergency where he has to call on the public to make sacrifices, he doesn't have that authority. That makes his position in my book, as prime minister, completely untenable."

Mr Bridgen is the fifth Conservative MP to publicly declare they have written to the chairman of the 1922 Committee - which organises Tory leadership contests - to say they have no confidence in the prime minister. Fifty-four Conservative MPs have to write a letter to trigger a vote.

Ahead of Boris Johnson's apology on Wednesday, Mr Ellwood, MP for Bournemouth East and one-time defence minister, said Mr Johnson needed to "show some contrition" and get a grip of the situation - or he would be "out of office".

Another former minister told the BBC: "Johnson is toast... if you were the chief whip looking at him you'd say he's not fit to do any other jobs in government, you wouldn't make him a junior minister, he doesn't work hard enough."

And a senior Tory MP said "there is a lot of scepticism around that there is anyone ready to take the reins. That buys Boris time. But he shouldn't confuse that with another chance."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60005134

Jimbuna

01-17-22, 09:19 AM

Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi has denied the prime minister is in danger over his handling of No 10 parties, amid reports of moves to protect him.

Tory MPs are returning to Westminster after a weekend canvassing public opinion, with some reporting widespread anger with Boris Johnson.

But Mr Zahawi told the BBC Mr Johnson would remain in place, adding that "he's human and we make mistakes".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60022022

Another sycophant pins his colours to the mast.

Jimbuna

01-18-22, 02:30 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/d0cLdqds/f640bb30-0723-4292-ad38-30ad5de6a3e2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Skybird

01-18-22, 07:26 PM

:D .

Jimbuna

01-19-22, 10:26 AM

Former cabinet minister David Davis has joined calls for Boris Johnson to stand down, telling the prime minister: "In the name of God, go."

He said the PM had failed to take responsibility for his actions over lockdown parties in Downing Street.

It came after backbench Tory MP Christian Wakeford defected to Labour, minutes before Prime Minister's Questions began.

The PM batted away repeated calls to quit during the stormy Commons session.

In a letter to Mr Johnson, Bury South MP Mr Wakeford said: "You and the Conservative Party as a whole have shown themselves incapable of offering the leadership and government this country deserves."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60056482

mapuc

01-19-22, 10:58 AM

A question to you Jim.
In the news here I get the info that he refuse to step down-
What happens if his colleague and the opposition vote against him and he still refuse to step down ?

Markus

Jimbuna

01-19-22, 11:14 AM

Officially known as the Conservative Private Member’s Committee, "The 22” is an influential backbench of Tory MPs. The group was originally a private dining group, made up of new Tory MPs elected in the 1922 General Election – where it takes its name. The group has grown to become an important ball part of the system that Conservative MPs use to express views on party leadership, and now plays an important role in the election of a leader to the party.

If 15% of Tory MPs write to the chairman of the backbench committee – currently Graham Brady – a leadership challenge is triggered. As there are currently 360 Conservative MPs sitting in Parliament, 54 Conservative MPs would need to submit letters to the 1922 Committee to trigger an automatic leadership vote.

If Boris wins the vote he can't be challenged again for a period of twelve months.

Jimbuna

01-19-22, 01:25 PM

Boris Johnson grilled by Line of Duty team in spoof video viewed by 5m

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/19/boris-johnson-grilled-by-line-of-duty-team-in-spoof-video-viewed-by-5-million

:haha:

Skybird

01-19-22, 03:29 PM

The wine parties were an offence to and a ridiculing of the public that was under lockdown and had extremely limiting rules to bear. These meetings and his participation are disgusting. His weaseling and hiding behind that "investigation" and his obvious lying to get away with it, is both disgusting and ridiculous.

He should not be allowed to just leave. He should be chased away, with a boot in his lower back and eggs and stones flying after him. Enough is enough. His time is up.

That Corona coincided with Brexit, is not his fault, and we will never know if and how Brexit would have worked out without Corona. But on too many occasions he now has told opportunistic untruths. He must go.

Jimbuna

01-20-22, 10:20 AM

^ Fully agree :yep:

London’s Met Police refers itself to misconduct watchdog over allegations officers failed to step in and shut down ‘lockdown-breaching’ parties in and around Downing Street and didn’t investigate them properly later
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10333913/Met-Police-refers-misconduct-watchdog-No10-party-allegations.html

And so they bloody well should!

mapuc

01-20-22, 10:26 AM

Saw some minutes from the British Parliament and my first thought was If lived in UK I would say What a cirkus it has turned into.

Markus

Jimbuna

01-20-22, 10:42 AM

Saw some minutes from the British Parliament and my first thought was If lived in UK I would say What a cirkus it has turned into.

Markus

https://i.postimg.cc/JzFm2R4Z/poster-840x830-f8f8f8-pad-1000x1000-f8f8f8-u2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/VJX3SQtk)

Jimbuna

01-22-22, 11:32 AM

A Conservative backbencher who accused Downing Street of trying to "blackmail" MPs seeking to oust Boris Johnson is to meet police to discuss his allegations.

William Wragg said he will be speaking to a Met Police detective in the House of Commons early next week, after requesting a meeting with the force.

The MP, who wants the prime minister to quit, said he wanted to leave any probe to "experts" rather than No 10.

Downing Street said it had not seen any proof of the behaviour he alleges.

A spokesman said on Friday they were not investigating the allegations but would look "carefully" at any evidence presented to them.

Chris Bryant, who is chairman of the Commons Committee on Standards, said he had spoken to about a dozen Tory MPs in the past few days who had made similar allegations of whips threatening to withdraw funding for their constituencies, including for campaigning and infrastructure such as bypasses and schools.

"I've even heard MPs alleging that the prime minister himself has been doing this," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

He described the alleged behaviour as "misconduct in public office" and said it was a matter for the police.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60093893

mapuc

01-22-22, 11:58 AM

Here's an If question

What will happen with Boris, if the police find enough proof that he have tried to blackmail and/or threaten other members of the Tory party ?

Markus

Jimbuna

01-22-22, 12:12 PM

Kicked out of office after a Parliamentary vote of no confidence.

mapuc

01-22-22, 12:30 PM

Kicked out of office after a Parliamentary vote of no confidence.

I presume, the police want to have a chat with him based on following

"He described the alleged behaviour as "misconduct in public office" and said it was a matter for the police."

I doubt that blackmail and threat is legal whether you are a politician or not.
(if they find enough evidence-He is innocent until proven guilty)

Markus

Jimbuna

01-22-22, 12:32 PM

The guy (as was predicted by many) has become a laughing stock not only in the UK but also on the world stage.

mapuc

01-22-22, 12:43 PM

Can an elected Politician in the UK Parliament be impeached or do you not have such a thing ?

Markus

Jimbuna

01-22-22, 01:10 PM

No such thing as impeachment as far as I'm aware...the simple method would be a vote of no confidence.

Skybird

01-24-22, 02:49 PM

Birthday party, eh? 30+ guests, and celebrations in his private rooms with staffers not even belonging to Down It Street, eh? MET police strongly blasting away against the Boris's claims on what happened, eh?

Has the political funeral for him already been fixed in the calender? If not, its getting about high time, I think. He's done. A blond scalp will soon be served on the BBC's newsroom desk. Im sure this time the anchorman will smile and not hide is amusement, they have some open bills with him, or not...

Jimbuna

01-24-22, 02:53 PM

Downing Street, the gift that keeps on giving.

Downing Street has admitted that staff gathered inside No 10 to celebrate Boris Johnson's birthday when the first Covid lockdown was still in place.

ITV News reports up to 30 people attended the June 2020 event, sang Happy Birthday and were served cake.

No 10 said staff had "gathered briefly" to "wish the prime minister a happy birthday", adding that he had been there "for less than 10 minutes".

Rules at the time banned most indoor gatherings of more than two people.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60114812

mapuc

01-26-22, 08:44 AM

In a stream from the British Parliament I could hear Boris refusing to resign

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-60134104

I guess he can do that-but if the Parliament vote for a kick-the Prime minister-out-Then he has to leave doesn't he ?

If he still refuse-Will it then be the police who has to remove him ?

I hope he know when he has lost and leave.

Markus

Jimbuna

01-26-22, 10:12 AM

Boris has been proven to be a liar many times over the years, it is in his DNA.

He will dig his heels in until the very end.

The Sue Gray report is expected to be released later today and after a short period of time to allow MP's to read it there may yet be a vote of no confidence in him by his fellow Tory MP's

Should he lose that vote he will be obliged to resign but not a moment before.

Jimbuna

01-26-22, 10:27 AM

The latest revelation...

Boris Johnson authorised the evacuation of animals from Afghanistan during the fall of Kabul, according to emails leaked by a whistleblower.

The PM has previously dismissed as "nonsense" claims he intervened in the evacuation of the Nowzad charity, run by former Royal Marine Pen Farthing.

But an email from an official in minister Zac Goldsmith's office suggests he was personally involved.

It is one of a number of emails released by a select committee.

The August 2021 message to another official in the Foreign Office says: "Charity Nowzad, run by an ex-Royal Marine, has received a lot of publicity and the PM has just authorised their staff and animals to be evacuated."

When asked in December if he had prioritised animals over the Afghan people in the evacuation of Kabul, Mr Johnson said: "That is complete nonsense."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60143279

Jimbuna

01-27-22, 06:29 AM

Jobseekers on Universal Credit will have to look for jobs outside their chosen field more quickly or face sanctions under new government plans.

From Thursday, people will have to look outside their sectors after just four weeks, rather than three months.

If they fail to make "reasonable efforts" to get a job, or turn down employment, they could see their benefit payment reduced.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60149016

Not sure what to make of this.

Skybird

01-27-22, 07:18 AM

Its clear, similiar things are tried in Germany as well. Long term unemployed who refuse jobs, are pushed to nevertheless take offered jobs by reducing their benefits.

In case of the UK it might be even more pressing an issue since there are shortages of workers in certain areas that UK citizens did not want to do and left to seasonal workers and job migrants from abroad that now have been banned to enter or to work in the UK. I must not tell you about the shortages of truck drivers, as an example, further worstened due to Corona quarantines.

In principle I agree with such steps. It cannot be that the community has to pay for the daily bills of somebody who is offered work that would allow hiomn to come up for the costs of his living, but that he doe snto want, expecting to live at th cost of the others.

I would even go a step further, for reasons reaching beyond this imminent context, and exclude people who live of social wellfare and get general benefits like unemployment money from voting rights. Same for prisoners: voting rights are cancelled as long as they are in prison. A prisoner is no citizen in my book, but a prisoner. His citizen rights are temporarily disabled for as long as he is a prisoner.

It cannot be that people who live at the cost of the community are even allowed to vote for conditions and politicians that continue and maybe even widen their personal profits form this scheme. If you accept state aid you are under (moral) obligation to do your best to cut this period as short as possible. Once you are back in any kind of work you make aliving of you then can use this as a platform for looking for another, more wanted follow-on job. But if you are unemployed, the priority is to bring you into work again so that you do not cost the community more than absolutely inevitable.

I did over a dozen jobs in my life. Most of them were not really pleasant, or satisfying, and none of them turned me into a welathy man except just one, and I did not do them because I wanted to do them, but because it was what was available to me at those times. If I could have done and worked so, I can demand others to do the same.

Jimbuna

01-27-22, 07:24 AM

^ I take your points and tend to agree but the timing of all this is what I question.

Catfish

01-27-22, 04:47 PM

https://i.imgur.com/ChM04itl.png

Jimbuna

01-28-22, 08:56 AM

There is confusion over when Sue Gray's report into No 10 lockdown parties will be published after a statement from the police on their investigation.

The Met said on Friday it had asked for "minimal reference" in the report to events they are investigating to avoid prejudicing its inquiries.

Many in the Cabinet Office, where Ms Gray is based, were taken by surprise by the Met's statement, sources say.

The report was due to be sent to Downing Street this week.

Boris Johnson's premiership is potentially at stake, as Conservative MPs wait to see the outcome of Ms Gray's inquiry before deciding to call for a vote of no confidence in him.

In a statement on Friday morning, the Met said: "For the events the Met is investigating, we asked for minimal reference to be made in the Cabinet Office report.

"The Met did not ask for any limitations on other events in the report, or for the report to be delayed, but we have had ongoing contact with the Cabinet Office, including on the content of the report, to avoid any prejudice to our investigation."

It is unclear what the police investigation means for the timing of the report, how much detail will be included or whether it will now be published at all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60166997

Fast turning into a pantomime now.

Catfish

01-28-22, 05:00 PM

Fast turning into a pantomime now.
I propose sealing Gray's report for a hundred years for "security reasons" like so many others :03:

Skybird

01-28-22, 06:47 PM

"To thank all those who do not believe in these party rumours and still stand by me loyally, I throw a very hot super mega party this evening in Downing Street!"

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/megasause_ts/28008004/3-format1007.jpg

Klaus Stuttmann for Der Tagesspiegel.
The way this humorist painted Trump and now Johnson, is priceless. I spit on my screen frequently, laughing.

Jimbuna

01-29-22, 09:39 AM

Sue Gray is expected to deliver her report on No 10 parties to the PM without waiting for the police inquiry to conclude, the BBC has been told.

The senior civil servant is set to hand her report to Downing Street shortly - though no exact date has been given.

But police have asked for "minimal reference" to be made to events they are looking at, in order to "avoid any prejudice to our investigation".

Tory MP Sir Christopher Chope said the Met's actions were an "abuse of power".

Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, he accused the police of "interfering" with the content of the report and trying to prevent it being released in full.

Opposition parties have also insisted the report is released in full.

No 10 has promised to publish Ms Gray's findings on alleged lockdown-breaking parties in Downing Street and Whitehall, but is yet to receive the document.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60177028

Jimbuna

01-30-22, 02:42 PM

Opposition MPs have accused the prime minister and the chancellor of ignoring struggling families, after they confirmed taxes would rise in April.

Writing in the Sunday Times, Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak insisted their £12bn National Insurance increase would go ahead, despite opposition.

Labour, the Lib Dems and some Tory MPs are urging a rethink, arguing workers cannot afford more tax at the moment.

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss the hike was needed due to Covid spending.

She said the Tories wanted to be able to lower taxes to boost the economy - but government support during the pandemic had to be "paid back".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60189393

Catfish

01-31-22, 04:24 AM

The gifts of brexit..

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60191402

Jimbuna

01-31-22, 06:03 AM

In fairness though, Covid hasn't helped matters either.

Catfish

01-31-22, 06:15 AM

Brexit has not magically tranformed "Britain", but agreed it is not calamitous either.

But Covid has also been a welcomed excuse for brexit shortcomings*
As the pandemic recedes, the negative impacts of Brexit will become clearer and its political effects more unpredictable (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/31/covid-easy-scapegoat-economic-disruption-brexit-biting)

* .. or to Johnson's :03:

Jimbuna

01-31-22, 07:31 AM

An initial version of Sue Gray's report into Downing Street parties during lockdown has been delivered to No 10

The report is expected to be released to the public later and the PM will address the Commons at 15:30GMT

But it's unclear exactly how complete it is, after the Met Police asked for it to make "minimal reference" to events it is investigating.

The Cabinet Office said Gray had given Boris Johnson "an update"

Senior Tories have joined opposition MPs in demanding the report be published in full.

Gray's findings are crucial for Johnson as they could see Tory MPs force a vote on his leadership.

Jimbuna

01-31-22, 10:10 AM

An initial version of Sue Gray's highly-anticipated report into Downing Street parties during lockdown has been published.

She finds that some lockdown gatherings in government represent a "serious failure" to observe what was asked of the public.

She says there were "failures of leadership and judgment by different parts of No 10 and the Cabinet Office"

Several gatherings "should not have been allowed to take place or to develop in the way that they did", she adds.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson will address the Commons at 15:30GMT

The report is seen as preliminary because the Met Police asked for it to make "minimal reference" to events it is investigating.

Senior Tories have joined opposition MPs in demanding the report be published in full.

Gray's findings are crucial for Johnson as they could see Tory MPs force a vote on his leadership.

mapuc

01-31-22, 11:07 AM

Are interested in what Boris said to the Parliament-About Sue Gray's report

Markus

Skybird

01-31-22, 11:14 AM

From Catholic churches to political governments and parties, from economic corporations to media and opinion lobbies - its always a conflict of interest that must be refuted unconditionally if the accused amongst these claim they can regulate themselves, examine themselves, sanction themselves, do just on behalf of themselves.

The endless tolerance and forgiveness granted by the wide public, is disgusting. Though the justice in this at least is that the people do not get more than what they deserve - and nothing better.

So let nobody complain.

Jimbuna

01-31-22, 12:53 PM

Theresa May questions Boris Johnson over lockdown rules

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60205731

Jimbuna

01-31-22, 12:59 PM

Gray report: SNP Westminster leader Blackford ordered out of Commons

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60205873

Rockstar

01-31-22, 01:02 PM

Boris Johnson was asked if he had not read or did not understand Covid lockdown rules, or thought they did not apply to Number 10. Former Prime Minister Theresa May said Downing Street "was not observing the regulations they had imposed on the public."

I’m sure he did read them he probably approved them. But as we here in the states witnessed. The democrat mandate Nazis wrote the lockdown rules but only expected the ‘help’ to wear the masks and the follow protocol at their gala’s and balls. While these very vocal Democrat mandate Nazis walked around flaunting their wealth and freedom MASKLESS.

Should we go after them for not following the rules? Or should we be inquiring if the rules they wrote were just a bunch of unnecessary political b.s. to begin with? After all what they said in public was contrary to what they did in public.

mapuc

01-31-22, 06:30 PM

Following is taken from a Danish article and translated into English

"Following the publication of a 12-page - but abridged - version of an official report, Boris Johnson is fighting for his life in the House of Commons on Monday afternoon, where the debate rages after Boris Johnson's opening speech to the elected representatives.

Here, Boris Johnson began by apologizing for what has been going on on his watch, while Britain has been shut down due to the corona pandemic.

‘Boris Johnson said an apology was not enough. And then a shiver went through the room. "

"People thought he was planning to resign. But he did not do that. He suggested that all possible changes be cleaned up and implemented. The problem was everyone but himself
"

Markus

Skybird

01-31-22, 07:37 PM

Gray report: SNP Westminster leader Blackford ordered out of Commons

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60205873

Reading that short news, I cannot express my disgust for this gang of monkeys adequately. What damn hypocrites.

That parliamentary rule is sheer mockery. The naming of the misdeed gets sanctioned, the doing of the misdeed is fully acceptable as logn as the shine is polished and the facade is uphold. Here is where politeness is turned into damaging absurdity. Spit!

https://www.graffitistreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/banksy-monkey-parliament-poster-canvas-900x900.jpg

Buddahaid

01-31-22, 08:59 PM

https://i.imgflip.com/2dnc0p.jpg

Jimbuna

02-01-22, 09:06 AM

Labour have obviously kept a record of my details.

https://i.postimg.cc/MZ1Dw8MJ/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/qM0GMZyh/Untitleda.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Catfish

02-01-22, 10:32 AM

Labour have obviously kept a record of my details.[...]
Why, did you join all 12? :o

Jimbuna

02-01-22, 10:46 AM

Why, did you join all 12? :o

LOL :)

I was a Labour Party member for many years, only resigning my membership the day after Steptoe became the party leader :03:

Skybird

02-01-22, 04:06 PM

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung comments on two years of Brexit:

The Brexit is a success, assures the British government. But the contrast between reality and appearance is unmistakable. The first step toward improvement would be more honesty.

The new Brexit reality is somewhat contradictory. Boris Johnson's government published a position paper over a hundred pages thick on Monday entitled "The benefits of Brexit - how the UK is taking advantage of leaving the EU."

The chairman of the Transport Committee in the House of Commons will read it with interest. He went to see for himself a few days ago in the Kent region, whereupon the regional news portal "Kent Online" reported: "MP steps in human feces on Brexit visit."

It's been two years since the United Kingdom left the EU in early February 2020 - hence the government's desire to use the thick report to create good cheer. Cheering up could also be needed by the truck drivers who have been stuck in traffic jams for hours in Kent for the past two weeks on the approach to the Dover ferry port. Their wait is closely linked to Brexit. That there are hardly any sanitary facilities on the roads to Dover was something the aforementioned member of parliament was allowed to discover for himself.

In the traffic jam, the truck drivers would have enough time to read the Brexit paper, but that would not be conducive to their mood. It is true that the section "successes to date" takes up only 15 of the 108 pages, and even that seems stretched. However, the entries are often euphemistic: administrative hurdles in foreign trade have been lowered, customs processes have been digitized, and London has concluded trade agreements not only with the EU, but with 70 countries.

In fact, many of these "successes" are pure damage limitation measures that became necessary when the country left the EU's single market at the beginning of 2021. Since then, there have been customs controls on the trade of goods across the English Channel. They are being introduced gradually, and the reins were tightened at the turn of last year. Now, British authorities require export and import declarations for goods before they are shipped, not after the fact.

The increased effort in clearance, combined with problems in starting the new customs system, is causing the long lines in front of the checkpoints not only in Dover, but also in Calais. Add to that reduced ferry capacity as ships are serviced - confirming a common pattern: Wherever there are problems, Brexit makes things more difficult.

That explains the desire for easy success stories. The British government is lauding its Brexit tropes: the reintroduction of blue passports, of pint measurements on packaging, and of "Crown Stamp" calibration marking on glasses. Apart from being of less practical relevance: EU membership did not categorically stand in the way of these Brexit "benefits." Neither did the establishment of free ports, the accelerated switch to electric vehicles and the reorganization of the railroad system, which London also cites as Brexit achievements.

The bulk of the Brexit record relates to statements of intent for future policy. Often it is about regulations that London now wants to improve - although details and plans are open. Time will tell whether the promises will be kept. A fundamental tension will remain: If the UK distances itself too much from the regulatory regime of the EU, its largest trading partner, market access for British companies will suffer.

Of course, it is to be hoped that even Boris Johnson's often populist government will find sensible new ways forward. The pressure to make a success of Brexit should be a stimulating incentive. But that requires honesty and diligence rather than window dressing and half-truths. Instead, Johnson says scrapping laws that still date back to EU membership would save firms £1 billion in red tape costs. How he comes up with the figure remains his secret. A trucker in a traffic jam outside Dover wouldn't think of it.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (http://www.DeepL.com/Translator) (free version)
https://www.nzz.ch/meinung/brexit-beim-eu-austritt-beschoenigt-johnson-die-bilanz-ld.1667538

Mind you, the NZZ is no German but Swiss newspaper.

Jimbuna

02-02-22, 08:31 AM

Boris Johnson is facing further calls to resign, as Tobias Ellwood became the latest Tory MP to say he wants to oust him from office.

The Bournemouth East MP said he would be submitting a letter of no confidence in the PM, amid the ongoing row over lockdown parties in No 10.

He joins colleague Peter Aldous, who said on Tuesday he had done the same.

At least 54 Tories must submit letters to set up a vote on the PM's future.

A handful of Tory MPs, including Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross, have said they have submitted letters to the backbench 1922 Committee, which runs leadership contests.

But the exact number of letters submitted is not known.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60227531

mapuc

02-02-22, 08:35 AM

Saw a live transmission from your Parliament on Danish tv. I notice something I've seen several times but forgot to ask who and why

In the opposite end of the Speaker of the house a group of people was standing.

Who are they ?(Spectators ?)
Why are they there ?

Markus

Jimbuna

02-02-22, 09:12 AM

MP's as they are the only people allowed in the chamber.

Probably standing because they prefer not to sit or were late to arrive and PMQ's had already commenced.

Spectators are seated in a gallery above those you are referring to.

Skybird

02-03-22, 03:05 PM

Four top aides to Johnson quit within hours. Is it a desperate attempt to enforce what Johnsons threatens to just sit out, or is it deserting from the sinking ship?
Its so very high time that he goes the way of the Dodo.

Skybird

02-04-22, 10:42 AM

Another top advisor leaves the (s/t/inking?) ship.

Its hilarious, and a display of shame and lacking class and quality, how everwhere those at the top always stick to their thrones as if being nailed onto them, always hijackign the whole country for their narcissistic craving for recognition and hopes to evade the judgement day of their "careers".

mapuc

02-04-22, 10:51 AM

He will leave if he's ordered to do so.

When I read that Mr Boris refused to resign or leave
I was picturing a scandal scene-Where Mr. Johnson in protest sit on his chair while holding to it with his hands refusing to leave-Yelling I'm your elected Prime Minister.

Of course this will not happen-I think he will leave before he is kicked out.

Markus

Skybird

02-05-22, 11:47 AM

"One no longer wonders about anything anymore!"
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/wunder2_ts/28041454/1-format1007.jpg

What will it take to finish him off?, asks CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/05/uk/boris-johnson-leadership-scandals-intl-cmd-gbr/index.html

I have no idea and not enough knowledge about British poltics to see what will happen after him, I only understand this: he must get rid off, he has overstepped all red lines and served way too many lies, lies and more lies. While one could argue that in his position even just one lie already is a lie too much. He lies by habit, and life-long experience that he gets away with notorious lying. Thats why he will never not lie. To lie has been conditioned into him.

Catfish

02-05-22, 02:59 PM

He's not as bad as Trump, so why should he go?

In 1672 a mob of angry dutch killed and ate their prime minister. Options :salute:

Jimbuna

02-06-22, 06:57 AM

The business secretary has appealed to his party to give Boris Johnson the "time and space to deliver" on the government's promises as pressure continues to mount on his leadership.

The PM had another difficult week, with a critical report into No 10 lockdown parties and five senior aides quitting.

More Tory MPs also declared publicly they had no confidence in him.

But Kwasi Kwarteng said the PM was carrying out his commitment for a reset in No 10 and focused on policies.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60279079

Expected from one of the Boris sycophants but how much more time does he need?

Jimbuna

02-07-22, 11:11 AM

Gorpet

02-08-22, 01:00 AM

Boris Johnson told his new director of communications Guto Harri, "I will survive", by singing him lines from the Gloria Gaynor song as he appointed him to the post. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60289339

:haha:

So if if you throw this Boris guy out. Who will replace him? And will they follow the American President and the Democrat party in any future wars against any nation that believes they must defend their own borders. Will you take the 2 flags and go to war?

Skybird

02-08-22, 03:57 AM

The plans for the invasion of the Irish Republic are already finished. And after that - France! :up:

Jimbuna

02-08-22, 08:14 AM

From a $5.7bn loss BP reported in 2020 to a $12.8bn profit for 2021 and all whilst UK households are facing a cost of living crisis, with prices for food and heating rising sharply. Last week's announcement of a huge increase in the energy price cap prompted the government to step in with a council tax rebate and loans to smooth price rises.

It's certainly not going pear-shaped for some.

Jimbuna

02-08-22, 08:20 AM

No 10 has no intention of apologising for the PM's false claim that Sir Keir Starmer failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile, after the Labour leader was targeted by protesters near Parliament.

Boris Johnson is facing fresh calls from Tory MPs to say sorry, after protesters were heard shouting about the sex offender, as well as protesting about Covid measures.

But a senior source told the BBC: "He's got other stuff to get on with today."

Mr Johnson did condemn the harassment.

In a tweet, he said the behaviour directed at Sir Keir on Monday afternoon was "absolutely disgraceful" and "completely unacceptable".

But a No 10 source said it was unreasonable to suggest that what happened on Monday "was Boris's fault and not the mob's fault".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60297998

Not saying it is all the fault of Boris but an apology from him might help to calm matters.

Jimbuna

02-08-22, 10:27 AM

Boris Johnson has embarked on a mini-reshuffle of his cabinet, appointing Chris Heaton-Harris as chief whip whilst Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes the minister for Brexit opportunities and government efficiency and Mark Spencer replaces him as Commons leader.

Feeling totally underwhelmed....a desperate attempt to make improvements despite scraping the bottom of the barrel.

mapuc

02-08-22, 01:03 PM

Could not remember the name of this show-Some minutes ago I suddenly remembered it. Spitting Image

Almost every time I read about your Prime ministers adventure in the Parliament in this thread I could not help thinking about this show-which I now know the name of

Here's a scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOa11o0Do0

Markus

Jimbuna

02-09-22, 07:41 AM

Boris Johnson's premiership is past the point of no return and he should resign, a financier who has given the Conservatives more than £3m says.

John Armitage told the BBC that challenges facing the West demanded "serious, engaged" politicians.

He has given the Tories more than £500,000 since Mr Johnson became PM but donated £12,500 last year to Labour.

A Conservative spokesperson said the government remained "fully focused on delivering for the British people".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60310694

What a load of bollocks!

Jimbuna

02-09-22, 11:14 AM

A photo has been published showing Boris Johnson standing next to a bottle of bubbly at what appears to be a Christmas event in Downing Street.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60319602

Jimbuna

02-10-22, 10:04 AM

Boris Johnson and his officials "broke lockdown laws" over parties held in Downing Street, Conservative former Prime Minister Sir John Major has said.

He accused the government of feeling it "need not obey the rules", adding: "Outright lies breed contempt."

Sir John's comments come while 12 gatherings are still being investigated by the Metropolitan Police.

Mr Johnson, who is coming under pressure to quit, said he was looking forward to the process being completed.

That would be "the time to say something" on the matter, the PM added, as he answered questions during a Nato conference in Brussels.

Downing Street declined to comment on the details of Sir John's criticism, with a spokesman saying: "People are free to give their opinions."

Moonlight

02-11-22, 12:00 PM

I've put this in here as these positions are political appointments.

Danielle Amara Cotton.
Commissioner of the London Fire Brigade.

Dame Cressida Rose Dick.
Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis.

What have these two pillocks named above got in common?, yes, you've got it in one go, they were both failures of the current times. Its not their fault that they were promoted to a job that they didn't have the ability to carry out, no, that fault lies with the wankers who gave them the job in the first place. That is the problem we have with the appointment of the chiefs of these important positions, the people dishing out these disastrous promotions have no accountability, if the two above lose their jobs from incompetence well, surely the people who interviewed and recommended these two should also resign as well, but, as I said, no accountability.

Lets not forget that "one bad apple can spoil the whole barrel" and that brings me to the third person who should also be annointed with the word "failure" and guess what?, this one's even more incompetent than the other two. Priti Patel the "Home Secretary", she talks the talk but has never walked the walk, she's in overall charge and just like we have economic migrants flooding across the channel we also have crime spiralling out of control. Yet Priti is running around like an headless chicken and is getting nothing done, where do they get these useless pillocks from?.

And that brings us back to Dame Cressida Rose Dick, Knife crime at an all time high, police officers murdering women, rape, fraud and every other crime you can think of is on the increase. And yet, Cressida Dick says Londoners are even more safer in their beds than ever, is that pillock on drugs or something?.
So she's proud of "Diversity" she says, well I don't want to rattle your cage too much Cressida but those "Diverse" people you're talking about are the one's who are committing most of the crimes you bloody idiot.

The whole British infrastructure needs to be properly investigated and fully exposed to the public eye. They have failed us "Big Time" and there are no excuses for them to justify their failings anymore as we've heard them all before.
Nothing good will come out of this bleeding mess they're in until those responsible for it are held accountable.

Jimbuna

02-12-22, 06:11 AM

Home Secretary Priti Patel is understood to have clashed with the Labour mayor of London over the resignation of Dame Cressida Dick.

Dame Cressida quit as Metropolitan Police Commissioner on Thursday after losing the backing of Mr Khan.

She is thought to have offered her resignation after declining to meet him to discuss her plan to reform the Met.

The BBC understands Mr Khan did not inform Home Secretary Priti Patel about the meeting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60345805

Skybird

02-12-22, 07:20 AM

Today you must not have skill or competence, but the right tribal identity so that then you can benefit from privileges associated with that group membership and that atke the place of skill, expertise, experience or qualification.

Claiming the onlyright gender also can do this magical trick. Just beware that there is only one correct gender these days.

Welcome in the age of dilettantism where claim is enough to get respect, it must no longer be earned by good performance before.

mapuc

02-12-22, 09:29 AM

Moonlight

02-12-22, 02:36 PM

Here's what a Danish politician wrote about the situation with Boris.

Boris Johnson is ready to fight and far from finished - now challenging the opponents and the press.

He has appointed Jacob Rees-Mogg as the new Brexit minister.
Rees-Mogg is the absolute object of hatred of the media.
The appointment tells me that Boris Johnson is battle-ready and far from finished.

Other things suggest that Boris Johnson may have hit the floor - but he isn't knocked out:

1. The party is unsure who can replace him. Internal opposition to him is not strong and not organized.
That was not the case under Theresa May.

2. No one thinks it is urgent to replace him. There are several years until the next election.

3. No one among the conservatives fears Labor. Labour's hinterland is dominated by woke and multiculturalists. Labor is far from as strong as under Tony Blair.

Markus

Not bad Markus but not true either.

1) Penny Mourdant for Prime Minister?, I haven't seen a male leader amongst the Tories and Penny seems to be potential leader material, me thinks she would do a good job of it too. I'm not sure she'd want to pick up that poisoned chalice though, although she would give the Labour front bench a good kick in their pants without using any smears or slurs like Bozo does.
I would give Penny one, :O: oh my god, my vote you bleeding perverts, my vote, crikey you lot have a one track mind, Penny gets on with her brief until called upon to put the peasants in their place. :haha: Ah yes, when Penny comes gunning for you you've got to be ready for her, she won't stab you in the back, she'll do it in the front, in full view of the nation as well. Did I tell you that I'd give her one?, I did?, :O: that despatch box will be on fire some days and I might even tune in now and again to watch the action. :D

2) That's not true, Tory HQ will be looking at the polls and thinking that its the 90's all over again, John Major was mired in sleaze from start to finish in the 90's.
"Cash-for-questions", he was left reeling by allegations that MPs had taken payments from businessman Mohammad Al-Fayed to ask questions in Parliament, and then there was Jonathan Aitken's "Sword of Truth" debacle, yep, he got 18 months in prison for perjury for that one. :har:
Just a couple of sleaze moments I remember and there was a lot more than those two, the UK couldn't wait to get rid of those corrupt currants. :yep:

3) Wrong again Markus, have you not heard of the "Red Wall Tories", they only lent the Tories their vote to get Brexit over the line last time, that doesn't mean that the Tories will keep those seats at the next General Election, those Tory MP's will be having nightmares until the electorate strike back and put them out of their misery.
The Labour heartlands are NOT dominated by woke and multiculturalists, far from it, only the Councillors are stupid enough to fall for that rubbish, they don't come anywhere near the voters or they'd be getting a smack in the mouth for what they're doing, one day there's going to be a reckoning and it won't be a pretty sight.

I spend half a year in the Labour Heartlands and the other half in the Tory dominated Cotswolds, I think I might know a bit more than the average voter. :up:

mapuc

02-12-22, 03:15 PM

^ Thank you

Now I wonder if I should copy each of your answer to the Danish politician and post it as an answer in his bulletin-His name is Naser Khader. He's Independent

Markus

Moonlight

02-13-22, 05:52 AM

Do what you want Markus, if it helps them get an insight into the mood of the UK voters it might be of assistance to him, don't take what I've said as gospel old boy, I only speak for two small areas of England and some of them can sound like rabid lunatics at times.
People from abroad take a quick look at the city of London and make their assumptions based on the events taking place there, that's where they're getting it wrong. Most voters think that London is a cess pit of corrupt leaders, woke multiculturalists and that promotion is gained by incompetence, the bigger the failure the bigger the promotion. :doh:
Its only when the votes are counted at the local council or general election are the true feelings of the electorate known, and that's why the foreign politicians and press are bemused when things don't go the way of the London centric polls.
Get them out into the Labour and Tory heartlands and they'll be falling over the mutinous voters, language will be fruity in some places so make sure they're ready for it. :haha:
Just one thing more Markus, London has never represented the voters of the UK and neither has most of the Labour or Tory loons either, you know the ones I mean, the ones who would vote for a pig if it wore the Labour or Tory colours.
Dig down a bit and you'll come across the real King makers, the ones who vote not from allegiance to a party but vote using their common sense, the don't knows are in there as well and there's enough of them to decide which political party wins or not.
That's why shockwaves are sent through the two political parties when they speak to those voters, and they'll sometimes change their election strategy midway through an election to try and limit the collateral damage of what they're being told.

Toodle pip

Jimbuna

02-14-22, 09:39 AM

Too little and far too late.

Now PM bans staff from using the Downing Street garden: Boris rules only the Johnsons, Sunaks and their pet dogs can enjoy No10's lawns as cops probe Partygate
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10506193/Boris-Johnson-BAN-staff-10-Downing-Streets-gardens-wake-Partygate-scandal.html

Jimbuna

02-15-22, 11:22 AM

Not exactly UK politics related but rather than starting a new thread.

Prince Andrew has settled a civil sexual assault case brought against him in the US by Virginia Giuffre, court documents show.

Ms Giuffre had been suing the Duke of York, claiming he sexually assaulted her on three occasions when she was 17, allegations he has repeatedly denied.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60393843

Moonlight

02-15-22, 01:47 PM

There's only one person who could have ended this legal dispute and it looks like she has, Queenie has probably put her foot down with a firm hand and told him in no uncertain terms to end this nightmare right now.... or else. :O:

Under cross examination he would have had his royal bubble burst in full view of the worlds press, that tv interview with Emily Maitlis would have been a monkeys tea party compared to this shindig. So its turned into a score draw with no blame attached to any one and a significant financial payday for Virginia Giuffre, if Andy Pandy had gone to court and lost the repercussions to his reputation would have been monumental, as it is this case has almost shredded any honour that he had had.

Now there are questions being asked about his extravagant lifestyle which he couldn't afford to finance by himself, and then there's the allegations that his house was bought by laundered money?, the thick pillock is not out of the woods yet. :doh:

Jimbuna

02-16-22, 08:59 AM

NEXT!

The Metropolitan Police is to investigate claims Prince Charles' charity offered honours help to a Saudi citizen.

The force said it is investigating alleged offences under the Honours (Prevention of Abuses) Act 1925.

There have been no arrests or interviews under caution, the Met said.

The Prince's Foundation said it would be "inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60404077

Jimbuna

02-19-22, 01:29 PM

IDIOT!!

Boris Johnson has returned his questionnaire about allegations of Downing Street lockdown breaches to the police, the BBC has been told.

The PM was one of more than 50 people to be sent the document by the Metropolitan Police, which is looking at potential Covid rule-breaking.

Mr Johnson had until 22:00 GMT on Friday to answer the survey.

He has said he did not believe he was breaking any rules, but apologised "for the things we simply didn't get right".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60440746

Jimbuna

02-20-22, 11:07 AM

I doubt very much he would quit.

Boris Johnson has refused to say whether he will resign if police found he has broken lockdown laws.

The prime minister has returned his questionnaire to the Metropolitan Police who are investigating Downing Street parties.

Asked in a BBC interview whether he would resign if police decide to take action, the PM said: "I can't comment about a process that is under way."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60450444

mapuc

02-20-22, 11:10 AM

I doubt very much he would quit.

Remember you telling me that if the Parliament vote for a kick-him-out, he has to leave. He may refuse to do so-but as I understand it he has no rights to be there if they vote to kick-him-out.

Markus

Jimbuna

02-20-22, 11:14 AM

Markus, this individual is what we commonly term a 'klingon' He has no morals nor cares about anyone but himself.

Skybird

02-20-22, 02:35 PM

Actually Klingons hold honor and empire in high esteem. Find another term, but don't abuse my beloved cute little Klingons!

Jeff-Groves

02-20-22, 02:38 PM

I think it would be more proper to call them Ferringhi.
Like our Politicians. Profit is above all else!

Jimbuna

02-21-22, 08:16 AM

Actually Klingons hold honor and empire in high esteem. Find another term, but don't abuse my beloved cute little Klingons!

:haha:

The term 'klingon' in my neck of the woods is used as a reference to a lump pf poo that sticks to your rear end, refusing to let go :03:

Catfish

02-21-22, 09:22 AM

cling-on :haha:

Skybird

02-21-22, 09:52 AM

:haha:

The term 'klingon' in my neck of the woods is used as a reference to a lump pf poo that sticks to your rear end, refusing to let go :03:
"Did you say something? No...? Better for you!"
https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/characters/test-resources/pics/DS9/3.jpg

Jimbuna

02-23-22, 06:22 AM

Boris Johnson "misspoke" when he claimed Chelsea Football Club's Russian owner Roman Abramovich faced sanctions, his spokesman has said.

During a statement in the House of Commons setting out measures against Russia, Mr Johnson said Mr Abramovich was "already facing sanctions".

But Labour's Chris Bryant later raised a point of order to ask about the accuracy of his remarks.

The prime minister's official spokesman said the PM would correct the record.

Mr Abramovich has had issues with his UK visa before - but has not been sanctioned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60485759

Boris, the gift that keeps on giving :)

Jimbuna

02-27-22, 06:40 AM

Sturgeon's independence nightmare: Scotland could be forced to pay UK massive £200BN debt.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/sturgeons-independence-nightmare-scotland-could-be-forced-to-pay-uk-massive-%c2%a3200bn-debt/ar-AAUkP18?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

Jimbuna

03-01-22, 08:48 AM

Boris Johnson has said the UK could take in 200,000 or more Ukrainian refugees as the government extends its help to more people fleeing the war.

The scheme allowing close relatives of Ukrainian people settled in the UK to come over will be widened to include adult parents, grandparents, children over 18 and siblings.

UK firms will also be able to sponsor a Ukrainian entering the country.

The changes follow criticism that the UK is doing less than EU countries.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60569292

Jimbuna

03-05-22, 09:29 AM

No surprises here then.

https://i.postimg.cc/jdhvKYfM/123518327-birmingham-erdington-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/GHHvJNqD)

Jimbuna

03-07-22, 10:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-IbktKvz1E

Jimbuna

03-07-22, 02:45 PM

This is nothing short of disgraceful.

Ukrainians on way to UK hit paperwork dead-end in Calais
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60652914

Jimbuna

03-08-22, 09:39 AM

You simply couldn't make this up :haha:

Former Commons speaker John Bercow has been administratively suspended from the Labour Party pending an investigation, Sky News understands.

Earlier today, Mr Bercow was found guilty of bullying House of Commons staff by the standards watchdog and banned from holding a pass allowing him access to parliament buildings for life.

A report published by the Independent Expert Panel into the former Commons speaker's conduct states Mr Bercow "has been a serial liar" and "a serial bully".

Former Conservative MP Mr Bercow stood down as speaker in 2019 after a decade in the chair and controversially defected to the Labour Party last year.
https://news.sky.com/story/john-bercow-former-speaker-administratively-suspended-from-labour-after-bullying-inquiry-finds-him-guilty-and-bans-him-from-parliament-12560710

mapuc

03-19-22, 03:10 PM

He must have some superpower or some special skills 'cause he has an ability to put himself in "situations" Like this one

Boris Johnson has caused fury among political leaders across Europe – and outrage among opponents of Brexit at home – after he compared the resistance of the Ukrainian people to Russia’s invasion to the UK’s decision to leave the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/19/pms-comparison-of-ukraine-resistance-to-uk-brexit-vote-criticised-as-crass

Markus

Skybird

03-19-22, 03:19 PM

Shameless sucker.

Johnson, not Markus. ;)

When I look around in the Western world, what great figures are at the helm of nations and supranational institutions, I immediately get stomach cramps. And beyond the West it does not seem to be any better.

Jimbuna

03-20-22, 01:12 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/3rvMxrSh/methode-times-prod-web-bin-16abe786-4070-11eb-83a7-25db7141c256.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

03-23-22, 10:37 AM

Chancellor Rishi Sunak has been delivering his Spring Statement as the costs of fuel, energy and food soar.

Sunak says 70% of workers will get an effective tax cut as he raises the threshold for paying National Insurance (NI) by £3,000

He also announces a 5p cut to fuel duty to come into force at 18:00 tonight.

And he announces that the basic rate of income tax will go from 20% to 19% by the end of Parliament in 2024

The Office for Budget Responsibility says inflation and higher taxes from April mean households face the biggest fall in living standards since records began.

Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves says Sunak should have scrapped the planned rise to NI and put a windfall tax on oil and gas companies.

The chancellor's challenge has been laid bare as prices rose by 6.2% in the 12 months to February - the fastest for 30 years.

August

03-31-22, 12:44 PM

Hope this isn't true but I read that the Scottish government prosecuted a man for a rude tweet!

I cannot resent a lawyer for making arguments that he is obliged to make under existing law, but the British should not lose sight of the fact that, in a free country, none of those things should matter in the slightest. The right to free speech is not contingent upon how many followers one has, or how widely one’s words are shared, and nor is it obviated when some two-bit plod is offended. The government defended its prosecution on the grounds that the man being posthumously insulted “had become known as a national hero, who stood for the resilience of the people of a country struggling with a pandemic and the services trying to protect them.” But this, too, ought to be totally irrelevant. If one is unable to say rude things about popular figures, then one isn’t free. At some point, presumably, the Brits will come to demand better. Alas, today is not going to be that day.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-scottish-government-just-prosecuted-a-man-for-sending-a-rude-tweet/

Jimbuna

03-31-22, 12:48 PM

Looks like it is but on a personal note and because of who the tweet was aimed at I have zero sympathy for said individual.

MGR1

03-31-22, 05:28 PM

Hope this isn't true but I read that the Scottish government prosecuted a man for a rude tweet!

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-scottish-government-just-prosecuted-a-man-for-sending-a-rude-tweet/

The UK doesn't have anything like the 1st Amendment, our Constitution is unwritten and defacto it constantly changes. Successive Parliaments are not beholden to the actions of their predecessors, i.e. our current Tory Government is not legally limited to any agreements or policies enacted by the previous Tory Government and can change or repeal any prior Act of Parliament at will. When it comes to devolved matters, the UK Government can override the Scottish Government if it chooses to do so, but generally doesn't unless it's to protect the integrity of the UK.

What we do have is Freedom of Expression within legally defined limits, those limits change depending on what happens in the courts.

Mike.

Jimbuna

04-10-22, 12:17 PM

This month sees millions of Brits facing energy price increases of over 50% a rise in national insurance contribution, cost of food and petrol etc. etc. and the wife of the Chancellor, the man responsible for most of those tax hikes getting on with her life God Bless her :o

A Whitehall inquiry is under way into how the tax affairs of Chancellor Rishi Sunak's wife were leaked to the media, the BBC has been told.

Akshata Murty has said she will pay UK taxes on her overseas income, following a row over her non-domicile status.

She owns £700m in shares of the Indian IT giant Infosys - founded by her father - from which she received £11.6m in dividend income last year.

Labour has said the row raises questions about Mr Sunak's judgement.

As a non-domiciled (non-dom) UK resident, Ms Murty is not required by law to pay UK taxes on her overseas income. The BBC estimates this would have saved her £2.1m a year in UK tax.

After details of her non-dom status appeared in the press on Wednesday evening, Mr Sunak said his wife had not "done anything wrong" and it was unfair to attack her as a "private citizen".

But on Friday, Ms Murty announced she would change her tax arrangements, telling the BBC she did not want to be a "distraction" for her husband.

Asked about the U-turn on the BBC's Sunday Morning programme, Policing Minister Kit Malthouse said the couple had recognised the situation "offended against a British sense of fair play".

"They recognise that there was a disconnect perhaps in the British public's understanding of what was appropriate, and they've corrected that situation now for the future," he added.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61055789

Jimbuna

04-12-22, 01:03 PM

Boris Johnson has been fined by the police for attending a birthday party thrown for him during a Covid lockdown.

The prime minister confirmed he had paid the fine for going to the hour-long gathering in the Cabinet Room on 19 June 2020.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak has also been fined, while the PM's wife, Carrie Johnson, confirmed she had paid a fine relating to the same event.

Mr Johnson apologised but said he would not resign over the incident.

"I accept in all sincerity that people had the right to expect better," he said in an interview, at his Chequers country retreat.

"[But] now I feel an even greater sense of obligation to deliver on the priorities of the British people."

Moonlight

04-12-22, 04:28 PM

None of them will resign as the current crop of MPs have no honour anymore, if it was Keir Starmer who had been fined he'd make something up as in "Its not in the best interests of the country for me to resign at this time as I'm needed at the forefront of the Labour opposition battles that lay ahead". All of them are self serving corrupt b stards, the sad thing about it all is that the idiots who voted for them in the first place will do so at the next election as well. :har:

Jimbuna

04-13-22, 08:36 AM

IS fanatic Ali Harbi Ali has been given a whole-life sentence for murdering Sir David Amess MP.

Ali stabbed the Conservative MP for Southend West more than 20 times after tricking his way into a constituency surgery in Essex last year.

Sir David's family said it broke their hearts that he would have "greeted the murderer with a smile of friendship".

At the Old Bailey, Judge Mr Justice Sweeney said: "This was a murder that struck at the heart of our democracy."

Sir David, 69, was killed at the surgery he was holding at Belfairs Methodist Church in Leigh-on-Sea on 15 October.

He was stabbed after 26-year-old Ali had gone into the meeting pretending to be an NHS employee moving to the area.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-61094059

Sadly, the death penalty is no longer an option.

Jimbuna

04-14-22, 08:10 AM

Some asylum seekers who cross the Channel to the UK will be given a one-way ticket to Rwanda, under new government plans.

The trial will involve mostly single men arriving on boats or lorries.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the £120m scheme would "save countless lives" from human trafficking.

Refugee organisations have criticised the plan as cruel, questioned its cost and impact, and raised concerns about Rwanda's human rights record.

In a speech in Kent, Mr Johnson argued action was needed to stop "vile people smugglers" turning the ocean into a "watery graveyard", adding the "humane and compassionate" plan was designed to break their business model.

He said he wanted to make clear to people arriving on the Kent coast they were better off taking legal routes and that the new plan would "over time prove a very considerable deterrent".

Last year, 28,526 people are known to have crossed in small boats, up from 8,404 in 2020.

Around 600 people made the crossing on Wednesday, and Mr Johnson said the figure could reach 1,000 a day within weeks.

Mr Johnson said the scheme would be uncapped, affect those who arrived illegally since 1 January, and potentially involve tens of thousands in the coming years.

"We cannot sustain a parallel illegal system," the prime minister said. "Our compassion may be infinite, but our capacity to help people is not."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61097114

Moonlight

04-14-22, 05:15 PM

I expect the Labour MPs and their politically corrupt lawyer friends will do everything they can to oppose this new strategy that's being implemented by the Home secretary.

Catfish

04-15-22, 04:07 PM

As our polish neighbours said today, "England has been trying hard to destroy the EU [... ]... and when Marine LePen becomes prime minister they will have succeeded. What the hell is wrong with them?".
Seems "Yes Minister" was right all along.

Jimbuna

04-16-22, 07:47 AM

Refugees Minister Lord Harrington has declined to comment on government plans to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda.

Asked by the BBC if he thought the scheme was a good idea, he said it was not his responsibility.

The minister - who was appointed to lead efforts to help Ukrainian refugees - said last week there was "no possibility" of sending them to Africa.

Under the scheme, single men who arrive in the UK and claim asylum will be relocated to Rwanda.

In an interview with LBC last week, Lord Harrington said no refugees had been sent to Rwanda and added: "If it's happening in the Home Office on the same corridor that I'm in they haven't told me about it."

On Thursday, he told the BBC that "hundreds of thousands" of people were fleeing Ukraine and none of them would be going to Rwanda.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61105696

What an absolute mess!!

Jimbuna

04-17-22, 12:21 PM

They're all at it now :)

Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail.

She posted footage of the visit on her own Instagram account with her mask on.

The SNP said Ms Sturgeon realised she was not wearing a mask "within a few seconds" of entering the shop.

It is legally required for people to wear face coverings in many indoor settings in Scotland until Monday, when the law becomes guidance.

A Police Scotland spokesperson said: "We can confirm that we have received a complaint which is currently being assessed."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

Jimbuna

04-19-22, 08:40 AM

Boris Johnson will make his first statement to Parliament since being fined for breaking his own lockdown laws.

The PM is expected to apologise but repeat his claim that he did not knowingly break the rules.

His comments are expected to follow a statement by the Home Secretary at 15:30 BST on the government's plans to send asylum seekers to Rwanda.

It's thought Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle will also announce at about 14:30 what measures opposition parties can take to try to hold the PM to account.

Johnson, his wife and Chancellor Rishi Sunak have paid fines for attending a birthday gathering for the PM in the Cabinet Room in June 2020

Opposition parties accuse him of misleading Parliament and have called on him to resign.

Johnson is known to have attended at least two further events of 12 being investigated by police, so could be fined again.

Jimbuna

04-19-22, 10:17 AM

The Commons Speaker says MPs will vote on Thursday on whether the PM should be investigated for knowingly misleading Parliament over breaching Covid laws.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle says he will allow MPs time to debate a motion from Labour on whether to refer Boris Johnson to Parliament's Privileges Committee.

Johnson is expected shortly to make his first statement to MPs since being fined for breaking his own lockdown laws last week.

The PM is expected to apologise but repeat that he did not knowingly break the rules.

Jimbuna

04-20-22, 08:36 AM

Boris Johnson has ignored a Labour call to apologise to the Archbishop of Canterbury over comments the PM made to a private meeting of Tory MPs.

Mr Johnson reportedly told his MPs that senior clergy had been "less vociferous" in their condemnation of Vladimir Putin than of plans to send asylum seekers to Rwanda.

Sir Keir Starmer demanded an apology at Prime Minister's Questions.

The PM said the Rwanda policy was an attempt to save lives in the Channel.

In his Easter Sunday sermon, Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby said the policy of sending some asylum seekers who arrive in the UK illegally to Rwanda cannot "stand the judgment of God".

Mr Johnson accused "senior members of the clergy" and the BBC of misconstruing the policy in a speech to Tory MPs on Tuesday evening.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61163702

Jimbuna

04-21-22, 06:49 AM

MPs will vote later on a Labour plan to open an investigation into whether the prime minister misled the House on lockdown parties.

The vote will happen because the government dropped an attempt to try to delay it by adding an amendment.

It was withdrawn because it was clear any probe would wait until after the report into parties by senior civil servant Sue Gray, No 10 says.

Boris Johnson was fined last week by police for breaking Covid laws.

The prime minister, who is in India, told reporters he was "very keen for every possible form of scrutiny" and denied misleading Parliament.

Opposition parties have accused him of lying to Parliament after he previously told MPs no rules had been broken.

Labour's Sir Keir Starmer says the PM could be found to have broken the law "again and again and again"

Jimbuna

04-28-22, 08:55 AM

A Conservative MP who allegedly watched pornography on his phone in the Commons should be kicked "out of parliament, out of the party", a Home Office minister has said.https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-who-allegedly-watched-porn-in-commons-should-be-kicked-out-of-party-12600533

:o

Platapus

04-30-22, 10:16 AM

A Member of Parliament in British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Conservative Party, Neil Parish, said Saturday he will resign after admitting twice watching pornography in the House of Commons.
Parish told the BBC the first time he viewed the explicit material was an accident after searching online for farm vehicles. The second time was deliberate and a “moment of madness,” the 65-year-old said.

Searching for "farm vehicles" or "farm animals"?:o

Jimbuna

04-30-22, 10:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgZu6BkFCE

Buddahaid

04-30-22, 10:56 AM

Ewe!

Jimbuna

04-30-22, 11:32 AM

Threads merged.

Jimbuna

05-02-22, 06:06 AM

Memories of the Falklands War represent an "open wound" in Argentina, the country's ambassador to the UK has said.

Javier Figueroa described conflict over the islands' sovereignty as ridiculous, comparing it to the relationship between North and South Korea.

Most young people in the UK do not know "Britain has a beef with Argentina regarding the South Atlantic", he said.

His comments were made to mark the 40th anniversary of the war.

Speaking to the PA News agency, the ambassador explained that, despite the 1982 war ending four decades ago, in Argentina it remains a "deeply emotional issue".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61294958

Catfish

05-02-22, 01:08 PM

[...] Neil Parish, said Saturday he will resign after admitting twice watching pornography in the House of Commons.
It is ok when done in the House of Lords ..

mapuc

05-02-22, 04:03 PM

Since it's UK he's threatening I post it here

(Please be free to move it to our Ukraine thread-if you Jim feel it fits better there)

And another nuclear threat to the UK from Russian state TV's Dmitry Kiselyov:
He says his country's Poseidon nuclear underwater drone could cause a tsunami that would "plunge the British Isles into the depths of the sea" and turn them into a "radioactive desert"

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1520846423629213699

Markus

Skybird

05-03-22, 05:52 AM

Britain's Dr. Who in that case will simply pull the plug at the bottom of the Northsea and have the radioactive tsunami waters flushing to the other side of the planet and spilling all over China. Xi will not like Putin better then.

Jimbuna

05-03-22, 06:12 AM

Received my government funded £150 energy rebate this morning.

Makes one wonder if there are local elections taking place on Thursday :hmmm:

Jimbuna

05-03-22, 06:15 AM

Boris Johnson will describe Ukraine's resistance to the Russian invasion as the country's "finest hour" when he addresses its parliament later.

Speaking virtually to MPs on Tuesday, he will also set out details of £300m in extra military support.

Downing Street said it would include electronic warfare equipment, a counter-battery radar system, GPS jammers and night-vision devices.

It follows the PM's unannounced visit to Kyiv last month.

Mr Johnson's speech is expected to echo the words of Prime Minister Winston Churchill, just as Ukraine's President Volodomyr Zelensky did when he addressed MPs at Westminster in March.

The prime minister is expected to say that the UK Parliament met throughout World War Two, just as Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada has done through the war with Russia, and the British people showed "such unity and resolve that we remember our time of greatest peril as our finest hour".

"This is Ukraine's finest hour, an epic chapter in your national story that will be remembered and recounted for generations to come," he will say.

"Your children and grandchildren will say that Ukrainians taught the world that the brute force of an aggressor counts for nothing against the moral force of a people determined to be free."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61297478

Skybird

05-09-22, 03:20 PM

This is an opinion piece from Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:

The Catholic nationalist party Sinn Fein has become the strongest force in the election in Northern Ireland. However, the victory was not so convincing that the Protestant side would immediately fear for the unity of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Nevertheless, the largest Protestant party is refusing to form a new regional government for the time being. The Democratic Unionists (DUP) would have to nominate a candidate for the post of deputy head of government. But they only want to do that if the Northern Ireland Protocol negotiated between the EU and London is changed.

It would be good if the DUP finally took note of the fact that there has never been a majority in Northern Ireland (unlike in England and Wales) for leaving the EU. Second, the party would have to recognize that a blockade will only bring closer the moment that many Protestants fear even more than the difficulties that the Northern Ireland Protocol has brought to the province's economy in its contacts with the rest of Britain.

Those who want to remain in the EU will probably sooner or later come to terms with the idea of Northern Ireland uniting with the Republic of Ireland. The seeds of Brexit are beginning to sprout. Its proponents just don't want to admit it.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Personally I think for merely "geometric-geographic :) reasons, that it just sounds and looks natural if NI and the RoI unite. However, its of course a decision to be made by the natives. I just look from far away, and wonder what all that religious-historical gobbling is about.

Catfish

05-10-22, 02:41 AM

[...]
Personally I think for merely "geometric-geographic :) reasons, that it just sounds and looks natural if NI and the RoI unite. However, its of course a decision to be made by the natives. [...]
You mean, like the Malvinas Falkland Islands :O:

I just look from far away, and wonder what all that religious-historical gobbling is about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhMO5SSmiaA

Skybird

05-10-22, 03:10 AM

You mean, like the Malvinas Falkland Islands :O:

Yes, sure, but that is my sense for geographical closeness. French overseas territories are another example. But I also think the people in place are the ones to have the right to freely choose. True for the Falklanders. The Scots and Catalonians. The Basques - and the Northrrn Irish. Even the Russians on Crimea - just that they choosed the path of violence and war: THAT is what made their choice unacceptable to me.

Jimbuna

05-10-22, 01:26 PM

Yes, sure, but that is my sense for geographical closeness. French overseas territories are another example. But I also think the people in place are the ones to have the right to freely choose. True for the Falklanders. The Scots and Catalonians. The Basques - and the Northrrn Irish. Even the Russians on Crimea - just that they choosed the path of violence and war: THAT is what made their choice unacceptable to me.

Same here :yep:

Jimbuna

05-12-22, 09:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUqN6fHo_Gc

Jimbuna

05-13-22, 05:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w9TjbnD3Ac

Jimbuna

05-14-22, 09:31 AM

Gorpet

05-14-22, 11:17 PM

Fifty migrants have been told they will be the first to be sent to Rwanda in east Africa as part of the government's controversial resettlement policy.

In an interview with the Daily Mail, Boris Johnson revealed the figure, saying he expected a lot of legal opposition but insisted the government would "dig in for the fight".

Under a new deal, people judged to have entered the UK illegally now face being flown to Rwanda for resettlement.

The policy has been widely criticised.

Among its critics are more than 160 charities, the Archbishop of Canterbury, opposition parties and senior Conservative Party backbenchers, including former Prime Minister Theresa May.

Together they have raised questions about the ethics, legality, cost and efficacy of the policy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61447106

I think United Kingdom is what it is today. And let's flood their Island's with Immigrants looking for the woke . Not only can they contribute pounds to another American led war. They can take all the refugees into their country and still get nuked in the next 24 months. Because our two countries have the the oldest politicians and families that support themselves.