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No comment from Dennis Skinner this year at the state opening of parliament, unexpected and a shame. Perhaps what he wanted to say wouldn't be allowed to be broadcast on television. :O:
Meanwhile at 5pm this afternoon thousands are expected to join an anti-austerity protest in London. Expect the usual silence from the media until someone breaks something. :03:
The main problem that Labour face in Scotland is that the SNP have pretty much taken over their part of the political spectrum. From being "Tartan Tories", the Nats are now "Tartan Labour/Lib-Dem".
Do you think the SNP will move south into Northern England and if so would the SNP do a lot of damage to Labour?
Meanwhile at 5pm this afternoon thousands are expected to join an anti-austerity protest in London. Expect the usual silence from the media until someone breaks something. :03:
A protester throws a empty can on the ground and the media will be all over it like VD.
Dam protestors turn our capital into a filthy dirty slum as they litter up the place causing health and safety issues. :arrgh!:
Jimbuna
05-27-15, 08:37 AM
Do you think the SNP will move south into Northern England and if so would the SNP do a lot of damage to Labour?
Hardly....that's why we built Hadrians Wall.
XabbaRus
05-27-15, 09:49 AM
I've been dipping in and out of this thread and I have questions for BossMark. You rain hate down on the Tories, slagging them off every second with some, in my opinion, not great word play on his name. However I'm at a loss to what you want? A socialist country? Appropriation of the majority of the income of those who build businesses that then employ people, because these people enjoy the fruits of their labour? You just seem to come across as someone who has a massive chip on your shoulder yet I have yet to see and explanation as to why you hate the Tories so much. Yes Maggie really did lose the plot and did some wicked things, but that was 30 years ago.
The Labour you support are no better and have zero policies. Do we go back to how it was in the 70s? Where the unions could and did hold the country to ransom? I'm 39, so I'm old enough to remember the miners' strike, crikey I was born and lived in West Yorkshire until I was 9. I saw the picket lines, I went to school with a coal miners' son. (which incidentally just happened to be a private grammar school which required my mother to go work full time to pay the fees. This boy, his mother stayed at home like the good traditional yorkshire miners' wife of the time in their terraced council house. They weren't short of a bob or two. So don't give me the miners' badly paid line. Especially given how the work ethic. In short work the hours needed to get the pay and then stay home - virtually unsackable.)
However I see no issue with tackling the benefits culture. Especially from the comments I see on the BBC Have Your Say.
I'm probably what you'd call middle class. I have a professional job, work hard. My wife is a housewife so mine is the only income. We do OK, no not much to spare at the end of the month but we manage. So yes I get sick of seeing people claiming as a lifestyle. I'm not saying there aren't people who need support and really can't work. For many however it has become a lifestyle. A cycle of excuses not to work. You can blame the Tories all you want, but for me it seems to have started with Labour when they had their turn.
It's really easy to make silly names from behind a keyboard but if you came up with some solutions to the issues you see it would make for better reading.
BossMark
05-27-15, 11:14 AM
@XabbaRus
OK a bit of an explanation, but first off I have not a chip on my shoulder :O: My hatred for the Tories goes all the way back to 84/85 coal miners strike, as a former coal miner myself what Thatcher did to me and my family and friends along with 1000s of other people she wrecked lives and destroyed communities ( I know Scargill was partly to blame as well) So that I am sorry to say that my hatred for the Tories will never change, yes as you said its over 30 years ago but things what happened can not be forgiven or forgotten.
I am a Labour party member and activist well known in my area for loyalty to the said party, dont get me wrong I do not agree with everything Labour do or say.
Not too much going on at the protest at the moment, current turnout is low, but it is early in the day yet, seems to be mainly an anti-capitalist protest than an anti-Tory movement although the two do tend to overlap.
They've started in Trafalgar square and are moving out, police are around and about, a brief mention in the BBCs live coverage of the Queens speech but live coverage on RussiaTodays page.
I suspect that this is just the dry run for the big protest that's due on the 20th June.
Links:
Streaming live - http://bambuser.com/v/5546118
And here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2866&v=sOOZbTBb9mM
http://rt.com/uk/262361-opening-parliament-live-updates/
In lighter news, the protesters outside Downing Street have stripped down to their waists and begun DJing against Austerity:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGBkrnpWIAATzde.jpg:large
The look on the coppers faces in the background is priceless.
Do you think the SNP will move south into Northern England and if so would the SNP do a lot of damage to Labour?
Highly unlikely. Pretty much every olive branch the SNP has made to the North of England has been met with pruning shears. Jim's feelings towards the SNP is not uncommon in the North as I believe the area feels itself at a disadvantage vis-a-vis both Scotland and the South of England.
Mike.:hmmm:
Not too much going on at the protest
So the revolution is still on hold. :/\\!!
Nothing on SKY News 6pm.
Highly unlikely. Pretty much every olive branch the SNP has made to the North of England has been met with pruning shears. Jim's feelings towards the SNP is not uncommon in the North as I believe the area feels itself at a disadvantage vis-a-vis both Scotland and the South of England.
Mike.:hmmm:
I wonder if that will change if the Tories make life hell for us all. Just have to wait and see. :ping:
Tony Blair Quits As Middle East Envoy
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/reports-tony-blair-quits-middle-east-envoy-141115917.html#FbWFype
Dose this mean he is going to rush back to the UK and a Labour MP in a safe seat steps down causing a By-election which Blair stands and wins then takes over the Labour party again? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
05-28-15, 07:55 AM
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/reports-tony-blair-quits-middle-east-envoy-141115917.html#FbWFype
Dose this mean he is going to rush back to the UK and a Labour MP in a safe seat steps down causing a By-election which Blair stands and wins then takes over the Labour party again? :hmmm:
I wouldn't think so....he's made his retirement packet and I doubt he could turn Labours misfortunes around.
BossMark
05-28-15, 08:02 AM
I wouldn't think so....he's made his retirement packet and I doubt he could turn Labours misfortunes around.
Or it could make things even worse.....
Legal bid to oust Alistair Carmichael as MP for Orkney and Shetland:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-32930488
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32930228
Orkney and Shetland are the only constituency seats (they're separate constituencies at Holyrood) the Lib-Dems hung onto in the 2011 election, they lost all their others in the SNP's landslide win. The Scottish Local Authority elections are in 2017, so things could get very dire indeed for them. The absolute worst case scenario for the LD's is this affair could lead to them being completely wiped out in Scotland, at Westminster, Holyrood and Council level.
Mike.:hmmm:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/28/scotland-bill-human-rights-act-repeal
"David Cameron has strengthened the ability of the Scottish government to block Tory plans to repeal the Human Rights Act, in a move that has caused alarm in some parts of Whitehall.
A brief, little-noticed provision in the Scotland Bill, which implements the findings of the cross-party Smith commission, will establish in law a convention that Westminster seeks the consent of Holyrood for legislation relating to Scottish matters.
Some senior Whitehall officials say this will effectively allow the Scottish parliament to veto Tory plans to the repeal the legislation on the grounds that Scotland’s separate legal system would make it impossible for Westminster to act without the consent of Holyrood."Ooops.:/\\!!
Mind you, it may cause yet more issues in Northern Ireland as the EU Human Rights Bill is integral to the Peace Process. I dare say any changes to it would have to be negotiated with the Irish Government.:hmmm:
On a slightly more humorous note, the sole Conservative MP in Scotland is now glad the "There are more pandas in Edinburgh Zoo than Tory MP's" joke now applies to Labour and the Lib-Dems:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/there-are-more-pandas-in-scotland-than
Mike.
BossMark
05-31-15, 02:41 AM
*Now that I have got rid of Clegg my darling, my room or yours"
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee374/rothwellwhite1/bossmarks%20pictures/475072996-1-362x204_zps3p0jq0x2.jpg
"Oh Dave I so am glad that he as gone, my room of course you naughty boy"
Catfish
05-31-15, 06:24 AM
^ perhaps a vomiting icon would be appropriate ? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
05-31-15, 10:34 AM
Grab a granny :o
BossMark
05-31-15, 12:56 PM
A tall bald man in a blue suit has been standing outside post offices and taking disabled peoples money off them.
Police have issued an arrest warrant for Iain Duncan Smith.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/1/9/1357746436277/Steve-Bells-If-...-10.01.-004.jpg
Jimbuna
06-01-15, 09:57 AM
Childcare providers in England say the system is at "breaking point" as plans to double free provision for three and four-year-olds in England are sped up.
The warning from one industry body, the Pre-School Learning Alliance, comes as ministers say trials of the new scheme are being brought forward to 2016.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-32928117
This measure should be of great benefit to young working parents.
First news story I come across took me back!
Ex-Lib Dem Leader Charles Kennedy Dies Aged 55
Former Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy has died suddenly at his home aged 55.
The ex-MP's death was not believed to be suspicious and the cause has yet to be confirmed.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/charles-kennedy-aged-55-dies-home-050856820.html#f1Qdfd
I do have respect for Mr Kennedy who took over from Paddy Ashdown who started the rebuild of the LibDems. Mr Kennedy did well to get the numbers of MP's up to a all time high. Later it came to light he had a drinking problem but that a side it's a shame his hard work vanished over night thanks to Clegg's poor leadership.
He also came out with what I think was the best quote of this year's General Election:
"The night of the long Sgian-dubhs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgian-dubh)"
http://www.libdemvoice.org/cahrles-kennedy-on-the-night-of-the-long-sgian-dubhs-46217.html
http://www.north-star-news.co.uk/News/The-night-of-the-long-sgian-dubhs-in-pictures-08052015.htm
Mike.
BossMark
06-02-15, 01:44 PM
Yes it was a bit of a shock was the passing of Charles Kennedy saw it on breaking news this morning while at work.
BossMark
06-02-15, 01:57 PM
I do have respect for Mr Kennedy who took over from Paddy Ashdown who started the rebuild of the LibDems. Mr Kennedy did well to get the numbers of MP's up to a all time high. Later it came to light he had a drinking problem but that a side it's a shame his hard work vanished over night thanks to Clegg's poor leadership.
Maybe it was delayed shock after Clegg destroyed his party.
Jimbuna
06-02-15, 02:19 PM
Another burdon he was having to live with was the death of his father two months ago.
RIP Charles, you were one of the few that were worthy of their position in Westminster.
BossMark
06-04-15, 10:57 AM
Gideon has told MPs he is cutting government spending by £3bn.
I don't know how they will cope with just one bottle of champagne each at lunch time.
Interesting little article from the Guardian about the effects of proposed boundary changes on Labour:
"Election swing Labour needs for majority has doubled, study finds":
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/01/election-swing-labour-needs-for-majority-has-doubled-study-finds
I think that what it boils down to is that Labour needs to find the sweet spot in order to make itself acceptable to the English electorate. The popular policies they need to win in England will make them effectively unelectable up here. That means abandoning any attempt to appeal to voters in Scotland. In that scenario, they'd better just split the Scottish branch of the party off so it can find it's own niche within the Scottish political spectrum, if it can. The way that England and Scotland have diverged politically since devolution make it near impossible for any party to have policies that are popular in both countries. This is where PR is needed as well as a fully federal structure for the UK.
In the meantime, it appears that the penny may have finally dropped in SLAB's hierarchy:
"Scottish Labour has not put Holyrood at the centre, says Kezia Dugdale":
https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/scottish-labour-has-not-put-holyrood-centre-says-kezia-dugdale
It's only taken them how long to figure that bit out?!!!:doh:
Mike.
Jimbuna
06-05-15, 09:38 AM
Watched Ed stand up and speak for the first time since the election and thought he was a shadow of his former shadowly persona, he did however manage to crack a joke from one of his kids regarding him supposedly once being famous.
A rather interesting perspective on what's happening in this part of the woods:
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/how-different-is-scotland/
Nice map showing which party came second in each constituency. As the blog says it shows the older political preferences in Scotland prior to the SNP's landslide, with the exception of the three constituencies which they didn't get:
https://flipchartfairytales.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/screen-shot-2015-05-11-at-13-00-45.png
There are more than a few similarities between the SNP and Ireland's Fianna Fáil. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fianna_F%C3%A1il)
It would be interesting to hear a non-Scottish perspective on the article?
In the meantime, it does appear that Charles Kennedy's death was alcohol related, at least indirectly:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33025795
Mike.
On the radio last night it was reported the former president of the Ed Milliband fan club said the country did not deserve to have Ed for PM as he was such a nice guy.
Nice map showing which party came second in each constituency.
That map clearly shows TFPTP system is now out of date. :ping:
I think that what it boils down to is that Labour needs to find the sweet spot in order to make itself acceptable to the English electorate. The popular policies they need to win in England
Problem is Labour is in real big trouble and any chance winning in 2020 going to take more than a miracle. Reading news comments from those who support Labour are waving the big stick at all the leadership candidates.
The Tories propaganda against Labour's last government will still bang on in 2020 and many people will buy it.
Jimbuna
06-07-15, 09:25 AM
UNITE and its public shenanigans will get more people voting Tory than those voting Labour.
Very true. Less political posturing and bit more concentration on actually supporting their members in the workplace would be good. They also have too much bias towards protecting public sector conditions, where their core support is. Would be nice if they were to look after those of us who are members but work in the private sector?! :timeout: They might actually do a bit better if they took a less 1970's confrontational style and looked more towards co-operation.
Anyway, they have a major problem in Scotland. A large proportion of their members vote for the SNP, not Labour. Due to the Nats party structure, they won't be able to have the same degree of influence as they do with Labour. As far as I'm aware, SNP party members won't stand for any interference from the Unions in how the party is run. Soooo, the Unions have screwed themselves somewhat, at least up here!:haha:
Naturally, I can't say what's happening in the rest of the UK?
Mike.
BossMark
06-08-15, 02:20 AM
David Cameron says ministers must back any EU deal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33043694
Vote as I tell you or be sacked in other words.
Well this may take a bit of pressure off Labours problems :yep:.
Dave is ready for any rebellion in his own ranks.
http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/OperationHummingbird1.JPG
Jimbuna
06-08-15, 07:13 AM
Camerons real problem being he has a small majority of 12 and any rebellion however small from within his party can have far reaching consequences for anything he tries to push through.
I'm all for the UK staying in Europe, but any rebellion in the Tories will be amusing to watch, even though it will sadly give more power to UKIP. :/\\!!
http://www.cinemasitter.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/avp_tag.jpg
BossMark
06-09-15, 01:35 AM
Dave is ready for any rebellion in his own ranks.
Dave's next speech in the house of commons.
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee374/rothwellwhite1/bossmarks%20pictures/hitler47_zpsmepfrqqf.jpg
^ "The back-bench rebellion over Europe is this big!"
LONDON (Reuters) - The Labour Party will run a separate campaign to keep Britain inside the EU when the country holds a referendum on the issue, the party said on Tuesday, ruling out sharing a platform with Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/opposition-labour-run-separate-pro-eu-campaign-071302637.html#XPwLN7K
The damage is done its too late to try and distance yourselves from the Tories, your fault jumping on Dave's Scottish bandwagon last year.
Secret hand shacks all round, George & Ed got their gold rings on.
Chancellor George Osborne and his former counterpart Ed Balls are among those on the list for the Bilderberg conference today.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/osborne-balls-bilderberg-231443264.html#cVMbGIO
Jimbuna
06-12-15, 06:32 AM
Over four days they are due to discuss issues ranging from artificial intelligence and chemical weapons to the status of the United Kingdom and the US elections.
Pointless Ed being there then :hmm2:
Ed Balls is off to America to teach economics! :huh:
Moving on I noticed on the home Yahoo news page they are running a poll.
Who do you think should be the next Labour leader?
Chuka Umunna (2263) 18%
Liz Kendall (1260) 10%
Andy Burnham (2740) 22%
Yvette Cooper (1606) 13%
Tristam Hunt (738) 6%
Other (4124) 32%
As of posting this post.
It seems more of the general public want a new face. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
06-13-15, 07:54 AM
Received a text on my iPhone from Andy Burnham this morning...the only candidate that has made the effort.
Sailor Steve
06-13-15, 10:08 AM
Who do you think should be the next Labour leader?
So, do you think Mr. Other will make a good PM?
BossMark
06-13-15, 10:46 AM
Who do you think should be the next Labour leader?
Andy Burnham gets my vote :yep:
Burnham would be a good choice, but I think since he was Chief Secretary to the Treasury in Browns regime, he's a bit too close to the Great Depression and thus probably tainted too much by it. Too easy a target for Cameron.
Same with Cooper, and since her husband is Ed Balls (TM) that's another free goal for Dave.
Umna has withdrawn from the race, which is a shame because he'd probably have been the strongest hope for a Labour that would get votes, clawing it back from the far left into more central ground. Of course, doing that without running into the legacy of Blair and 'New Labour'.
Jeremy Corbyn? :har::har::har: Ain't gonna happen. Far too far left.
Liz Kendall is a potential runner. She would make for a fairly good leader, she's untainted by the 2008 crisis, she's not far left and she's done well in her seat. I think it'll be a two horse race between her and Burnham.
Who would I pick?
:hmmm:
Probably Kendall, Burnham is good, but as a member of the financial team on Browns government, that's now become public political suicide. Dave can just bring that up, time and again with his little favourite prop and Labour will not recover from the nose-dive it took this year.
To be honest, I think it's going to take another term before it does fully recover from the mauling its taken anyway, and it'll be at least three terms before the Lib-Dems manage to pull themselves back together, what's left of them.
BossMark
06-15-15, 07:36 AM
I had an accident which rendered me unconscious for a while, I awoke in hospital with a doctor asking me if I knew who the prime minister was. I attacked the doctor and started smashing the place up.
"He's ok, " said the doctor, "he obviously knows who the prime minister is. "
Jimbuna
06-15-15, 12:06 PM
Burnham would be a good choice, but I think since he was Chief Secretary to the Treasury in Browns regime, he's a bit too close to the Great Depression and thus probably tainted too much by it. Too easy a target for Cameron.
Same with Cooper, and since her husband is Ed Balls (TM) that's another free goal for Dave.
Umna has withdrawn from the race, which is a shame because he'd probably have been the strongest hope for a Labour that would get votes, clawing it back from the far left into more central ground. Of course, doing that without running into the legacy of Blair and 'New Labour'.
Jeremy Corbyn? :har::har::har: Ain't gonna happen. Far too far left.
Liz Kendall is a potential runner. She would make for a fairly good leader, she's untainted by the 2008 crisis, she's not far left and she's done well in her seat. I think it'll be a two horse race between her and Burnham.
Who would I pick?
:hmmm:
Probably Kendall, Burnham is good, but as a member of the financial team on Browns government, that's now become public political suicide. Dave can just bring that up, time and again with his little favourite prop and Labour will not recover from the nose-dive it took this year.
To be honest, I think it's going to take another term before it does fully recover from the mauling its taken anyway, and it'll be at least three terms before the Lib-Dems manage to pull themselves back together, what's left of them.
I'm beginning to think that Burnham is the only real choice when looked at in terms of popularity and public awareness but I'm struggling to convince myself any of the candidates will make any impression on the electorate in the short to medium term.
I'm struggling to convince myself any of the candidates will make any impression on the electorate in the short to medium term.
Labour will only get back in when the country gets bored with the Tories.
Jimbuna
06-15-15, 12:47 PM
Labour will only get back in when the country gets bored with the Tories.
I honestly don't think it's about boredom but more about credibility and trust.
I honestly don't think it's about boredom but more about credibility and trust.
Yup, and Labour have done poorly ever since Brown became PM, then Milliband Jr. took over. I hope that the main party hierarchy have taken note of two things:
1. Don't abuse your electorate by taking them for granted, assuming they will always vote for you no matter what - see Scotland.
2. Listen to what the electorate is trying to say to you - see the rise of UKIP in the North of England.
Ultimately, Labour is torn between two conflicting ideas of society. That which their support in the North of England, Scotland and Wales believes in (traditional left, communitarian, small "c" social conservative), and that which they need to curry to in order to win constituencies in the Southern part of the England (right wing, individualist, entrepreneurial, big "C" Conservatism) which gets them enough seats to form a government.
Blairism squared the circle for them, but I can't see Labour managing that again, at least in the short term.
If I were to make a recommendation to Labour's leadership, it would be this: You've lost Scotland, the SNP have stolen your clothes, so don't try to get back. If you want to win again, concentrate on England and Wales, that's where the seats you need to win are.
Mike.:hmmm:
I honestly don't think it's about boredom but more about credibility and trust.
Indeed, Blair did a lot of damage to Labours credibility thanks to Iraq, and Brown was in the wrong place at the wrong time, as well as being as about as likeable as a dead pigeon. The after-effects of both has given the Tories enough ammunition for a decade, I think that the concensus someone came to earlier in this thread is probably accurate, Labour won't get a look in again until the election after next. :/\\!!
Protests in London on Saturday (http://www.cityam.com/217951/tens-thousands-take-over-london-part-huge-anti-austerity-demonstration-heres-where-protests), probably going to be a big one.
Protests in London on Saturday (http://www.cityam.com/217951/tens-thousands-take-over-london-part-huge-anti-austerity-demonstration-heres-where-protests)
So we can can look forward to a news ban again. :hmmm:
Labour won't get a look in again until the election after next. :/\\!!
Too me it comes back to what I said, Labour will only get back in when the country gets bored with the Tories. That or they make everyone's life even more a living hell.
BTW: I agree about 2020 a write off for Labour as it stands, best chance a Hung Parliament and that depends on the grass root level. Keep a eye on the council/county council election results 2016/19.
Interesting essay by Professor John Curtice on IPPR.org:
A defeat to reckon with: On Scotland, economic competence, and the complexities of Labour’s losseshttp://www.ippr.org/juncture/a-defeat-to-reckon-with-on-scotland-economic-competence-and-the-complexities-of-labours-losses
Mike.
XabbaRus
06-17-15, 10:36 AM
Fir Kin SNP and their supporters getting their knickers in a twist on the voting down of the amendment to 1A of the Scotland bill...They accuse the rest of spin but hell SNP are up there with them..
Also could someone please do something about the Rev. Stuart Campbell.
So we can can look forward to a news ban again. :hmmm:
RussiaToday will probably do a live streaming report on it.
http://www.greatmining.com/mining_images/California_Iron-ore_Mine.jpg
ExFishermanBob
06-17-15, 11:13 AM
Fir Kin SNP and their supporters getting their knickers in a twist on the voting down of the amendment to 1A of the Scotland bill...They accuse the rest of spin but hell SNP are up there with them..
Also could someone please do something about the Rev. Stuart Campbell.
Would that be the bit that Cameron promised? You know, the permanence of the parliament?
Also could someone please do something about the Rev. Stuart Campbell.
Ah, yes, the "Wings Over Scotland" website impresario (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Campbell_%28game_journalist%29).
I wonder if any of his neighbours in Somerset realise what he's up to?:hmmm:
Anyone want to tell them?:arrgh!:
As an aside, I haven't seen much evidence of the Pro-SNP crowd in General Topics since the referendum?
Mike.
gemelis
06-17-15, 01:14 PM
I had it with uk politics and uk and moved to France.You will never change the system.
VOTE WITH YOUR FEET
XabbaRus
06-17-15, 03:54 PM
Would that be the bit that Cameron promised? You know, the permanence of the parliament?
And it is. The amendment the SNP wanted was to require a referendum should Westminster want to dissolve it. However the amendment in legal terms is pointless because should any Westminster government want to dissolve it, they'd just royal the referendum amendment and them dissolve the Scottish parliament. Not that any would as it would be political suicide and there would be rioting. I'm afraid this is just another stick for the SNP to breast the other parties over the head with, especially the Tories. To do what the SNP proposed would require a new constitution where Holyrood isn't subordinate to Westminster which it currently is. Also about full fiscal autonomy. The SNP and their friends won't admit it to your have but as things stand they have got their cake and eaten it. Significant tax raising powers but still a safety net. Under FFA they would not have it.
ExFishermanBob
06-18-15, 01:16 AM
Ah, so it was related to the one that Cameron promised to put into law, then. I guessed it would end up as "SNP BAD!" rather then "Cameron fails to follow through".
The same 'not binding' also applies to the proposed law to ensure fiscal responsibility but that isn't stopping it being put in place. Strange that.
BossMark
06-18-15, 01:43 PM
Boris Tells Taxi Driver: '******* Off And Die' :nope:
http://news.sky.com/story/1504125/boris-tells-taxi-driver-f-off-and-die
Not just a nasty Tory bastard, but foul mouthed nasty evil Tory bastard :yep:
And this thing wants to PM one day god help ii that ever happened :nope::nope:
XabbaRus
06-18-15, 01:48 PM
I didn't say it wasn't related.
The permanency of the Scottish Parliament is in the Scotland Bill, just because an amendment requiring a referendum should a Westminster government ever decided to dissolve it does not stop that.
Do you really think that it will be dissolved? Before now it could have been done but it hasn't? Ever thought why? Because it would cause absolute havoc. I'm afraid the SNP are trying to have their cake and eat it. They are in the position where they can paint anything where they don't get what they want as the evil Tories being obstructive. Do they really think that they will just get whatever they want. I'm no friend of the Tories, what Maggie did in Scotland with the poll tax was despicable, however that was repealed and replaced. Unlike the miners whose pits were closed, (I apologise for Bossmark too, I didn't get around to replying to his explanation and how he was personally affected), but the SNP were not too long ago know as Tartan Tories. I wonder why that is? Just that they have been politically astute to occupy the middle ground vacated by Labour. They make a big fuss about this amendment but don't see too much complaining really how FFA didn't go through. I bet Swinney is breathing a sigh of relief. Though I am also sure that if FFA had been granted the SNP would have found some way to twist it to show how the Tories were screwing Scotland by hanging the potential £7.6 billion deficit around Holyrood's neck.
XabbaRus
06-18-15, 01:50 PM
Boris Tells Taxi Driver: '******* Off And Die' :nope:
http://news.sky.com/story/1504125/boris-tells-taxi-driver-f-off-and-die
Not just a nasty Tory bastard, but foul mouthed nasty evil Tory bastard :yep:
And this thing wants to PM one day god help ii that ever happened :nope::nope:
Ha ha, yes not too clever. Saying that I think any MP being foul mouthed is a disgrace. Suppose it could have been worse. He could have done a two jags and lamped him.
BossMark
06-18-15, 01:56 PM
Ha ha, yes not too clever. Saying that I think any MP being foul mouthed is a disgrace. Suppose it could have been worse. He could have done a two jags and lamped him.
I agree and yes if it had been two jags he probably would have let have right hook or two....:haha::haha:
XabbaRus
06-18-15, 01:59 PM
I agree and yes if it had been two jags he probably would have let have right hook or two....:haha::haha:
I wouldn't want a right hook from him.
Jimbuna
06-19-15, 06:19 AM
I wouldn't want a right hook from him.
I wouldn't mind but the dilemma one would have to contemplate would be one of either going to prison for manslaughter (in relation to hitting the bugga back) or how to spend all that compensation money awarded in a civil court for personal injury and damages :hmmm:
XabbaRus
06-19-15, 08:47 AM
Take the money and run, and then milk it for all its worth as the guy Prescott punched.
Meanwhile in London:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH8VcnuWsAAHEv1.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33210014?ocid=socialflow_twitter
Also:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH8NylMWUAA-B-I.jpg
XabbaRus
06-20-15, 10:22 AM
But what can we do to lower the debt? Cuts have to be made or taxes increased. Yes Amazon and their ilk should be made to pay more tax, and yes bring back the 50p tax band for those earning over £150,000. But generally until the economy picks up general tax receipts won't have increase. Shall we borrow to see invest? That's what the SNP wanted it labour had got in, but how do we propose to pay it back? I'm not by the way agreeing with Tory cuts and I don't have the answers.
I think cuts are really just the reason of the day for protests, the general disquiet is, I think, something that has been growing since the banking crisis began, possibly even before then, as the wealth gap has grown. It's a fairly logical extension of the 99% movement, when the government targets the lower end of the social spectrum for the heaviest of cuts and only skims off the top end. When the news features reports of corruption amongst ministers, bankers and the rich, then resentment is going to grow, and that resentment expresses itself in 250,000 people marching in London.
I don't hold out much hope on them achieving anything, let's face it, when three million people marched in 2003 we still traipsed merrily into Iraq. :/\\!!
Betonov
06-20-15, 01:23 PM
Why the UK election results are worst in history, the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5I
Meanwhile in London:
I see in most part the press hyped it up look at the great unwashed! Listening to the radio last night and the presenter put it into a better prospective, just glad their are still a few in the media that don't play the Establishment mindset.
Moving on to the up coming cuts I see Housing Benefit is going to be on top of the list. There are more people claiming HB who are in work than those who are not I wonder how they feel about the matter. :hmmm:
Why the UK election results are worst in history, the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5I
Thanks that was a good find. :up:
BossMark
06-21-15, 06:32 AM
Moving on to the up coming cuts I see Housing Benefit is going to be on top of the list. There are more people claiming HB who are in work than those who are not I wonder how they feel about the matter. :hmmm:
I wonder if any of these voted Tory, if so hope they regret that dreadful mistake and hang their heads in shame.....
BossMark
06-21-15, 06:35 AM
Headlines
Boris Johnson has confirmed his "$^^£ off and die" remark was accidental...
leak of new Tory welfare policy.
Jimbuna
06-21-15, 07:26 AM
Why the UK election results are worst in history, the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5I
Love it :)
Pretty much true as well :shifty:
BossMark
06-23-15, 01:24 AM
David Cameron speech: I'll end welfare merry-go-round
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33221966
Well I just hope that those who voted this evil nasty cruel party into power will live to regret putting an X next to a Tory candidate when they voted last month.
Jimbuna
06-23-15, 08:20 AM
It is now being rumoured the Labour Party are affectionately being termed as the Wilderness Party in Westminster :hmm2:
David Cameron speech: I'll end welfare merry-go-round
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33221966
Well I just hope that those who voted this evil nasty cruel party into power will live to regret putting an X next to a Tory candidate when they voted last month.
Until we see the full info on this not much can be said, on saying that he is hinting those in work on low pay claiming benefits could be about to be hit. And if they are also claiming Housing benefit that will be a double blow. Any chance of Labour wining in 2020 is so low you got better odds on 16 year old's getting the vote.
This country is already ugly bittier and twisted and 10 years of total Tory rule to come! Like Oberon I fear the future it's only going to get worst a lot worst and the worst thing about it many people will go along with it without stopping to think what the hell are we doing this is wrong we should work together for a better UK and not this self destruction. :/\\!!
XabbaRus
06-23-15, 02:38 PM
I'll agree with you on that Steed. This country has become one of envy and it will only get worse. I fear for my kids. Hell I fear for myself. No real jobs which could have been created if they had used the QE money for public infrastructure projects instead of giving it to the banks who were supposed to use it to loan to businesses but didn't. Hell we are even letting the Chinese build our nuclear power plants. What the hell happened there? In the country that practically invented civilian nuclear power generation and we don't have the expertise to do that. We have become a country where nothing happens. Government is scared. People are apathetic and it's all FUBARed to oblivion.
I'm sure good old Wavy Davey our wonderful Prime Minister will soon have this all sorted out in 100 years time. :rolleyes:
I'll agree with you on that Steed. This country has become one of envy and it will only get worse. I fear for my kids. Hell I fear for myself. No real jobs which could have been created if they had used the QE money for public infrastructure projects instead of giving it to the banks who were supposed to use it to loan to businesses but didn't. Hell we are even letting the Chinese build our nuclear power plants. What the hell happened there? In the country that practically invented civilian nuclear power generation and we don't have the expertise to do that. We have become a country where nothing happens. Government is scared. People are apathetic and it's all FUBARed to oblivion.
Few of us can see what is going on why the heck can't the rest? :/\\!!
I think Oberon has a point, you can slap these people in the face and they do not react! :o
100 Years? Oh, you optimist, you...
<O>
100 Years? Oh, you optimist, you...
<O>
Someone has to have faith in David Cameron. :DL
What did I just say! :/\\!! :/\\!!
Some British politician said today they France should concentrate on its own borders, if I were French I'd let the buggers through and say 'they're on your soil now, concentrate on your own vorders'.
I think that's pretty much what they want to do, and I can't say I blame them. This is turning into a crisis a bit like the Mediterranean one.
Honestly, the best solution, I think, would be to find a large patch of land somewhere that's not being used, heck even in the Sahara desert would do the job, and build a city there. Use all the modern tech to make it self-sustaining, vertical farms, clean transport, and they can move there. Despite what the Daily Mail will tell you, they'd only be too happy to work, so you could set up any kind of factory there, and the teachers who have fled could teach, and so on and so forth.
Heck, with the technology we have you could even make it from a floating city, start with chaining some old carriers together with some old merchants. The Med doesn't get too choppy so it would be safe there.
But the cheaper solution is the one we're doing, just shuttling them around from pillar to post until they get eaten up by the criminal underworld and wind up on our streets as prostitutes or drug pushers. :/\\!!
XabbaRus
06-24-15, 02:47 PM
They need more than a slap in the face.
As Wolfie Tone said: "Come the Revolution"
wind up on our streets as prostitutes or drug pushers. :/\\!!
That will please David Cameron & George Osborne as prostitution & drug dealing is part of our GDP figures. :o
Just little question how the hell do they work out the prostitution & drug dealing figures? :hmmm:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/10/prostitution-drugs-uk-gdp_n_4758825.html
Betonov
06-24-15, 03:23 PM
Just little question how the hell do they work out the prostitution & drug dealing figures? :hmmm:
They brief the MPs
They brief the MPs with little sealed packets of funny white powder no questions asked
There you go, fixed it. :shifty:
BossMark
06-25-15, 02:00 AM
I'm sure good old Wavy Davey our wonderful Prime Minister will soon have this all sorted out in 100 years time. :rolleyes:A bit longer than that me thinks :haha::haha:
Few of us can see what is going on why the heck can't the rest? :/\\!!
They've got Tory blinkers on
Someone has to have faith in David Cameron. :DL
What did I just say! :/\\!! :/\\!!
I have more faith in trusting a rabid dog not bite me if I stroked it....
Jimbuna
06-25-15, 09:15 AM
All should be revealed 8th July
https://www.gov.uk/government/topical-events/budget-july-2015
All should be revealed 8th July
https://www.gov.uk/government/topical-events/budget-july-2015
Take from the poor give to the banks and swindle the rest with a ponzi scheme that looks so good your fall for it.
As a point of interest about us and the Greeks we're both in trouble the only difference's is we have long term Bonds while Greece had short term Bonds. Signs are now showing the Bond market is about to pop like a balloon. It's flooded with junk bonds, buyer beware! So if old George trys to temp people with Bonds don't fall for it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11587143/The-global-bond-bubble-is-finally-bursting-and-here-is-why.html
http://moneyweek.com/money-morning-bond-bubble-how-the-bond-market-works/
Jimbuna
06-26-15, 08:29 AM
Keep the faith STEED :)
Keep the faith STEED :)
Keep the faith with the down to earth people right on baby. :DL
BossMark
06-26-15, 02:43 PM
Keep the faith STEED :)
Keep the faith with the down to earth people right on baby. :DL
Its a bit hard having any sort of faith while the Tories are in power :wah::wah:
Jimbuna
06-27-15, 04:57 AM
Its a bit hard having any sort of faith while the Tories are in power :wah::wah:
I'd start getting used to the idea if I were you because until some credible opposition appears it looks like they'll be around for some time.
I'd start getting used to the idea if I were you because until some credible opposition appears it looks like they'll be around for some time.
Labour can write off a 2020 victory no question, at the very best a Hung Parliament but that will depend on the local election results in the next four years. There is a slight glimmer of light Doggy Dave said he would step down in year four and looking at the Tories I don't see anyone but Boris. And that raises the question if Boris gets in with his ho-ho I'm a good laugh down with the people will the people fall for it? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
06-28-15, 10:07 AM
Don't forget Gideon and Lady Theresa.
if Boris gets in with his ho-ho I'm a good laugh down with the people will the people fall for it? :hmmm:
It got him the position of mayor of London. :doh:
Don't forget Gideon and Lady Theresa.
Gideon is a toffee nose toff no one likes and May is a crab. Smart money is on Boris. :yep:
https://www.facebook.com/WatchBritishTv/videos/712933135505665/
Some strong language
BossMark
06-29-15, 07:06 AM
Gideon is a toffee nose toff no one likes and May is a crab. Smart money is on Boris. :yep:
Bloody hell not much of a choice there Gideon or the wicked witch of the west or worse that idiot Boris "I am a tit") Johnson
BossMark
06-29-15, 11:26 AM
David Cameron has ordered the BBC to stop referring to 'Islamic State' as the term could offend peace - loving Muslims.
Are you going to tell him, or shall I?.
Jimbuna
06-29-15, 12:28 PM
Gideon is a toffee nose toff no one likes and May is a crab. Smart money is on Boris. :yep:
Trouble is....they all got elected :know:
Trouble is....they all got elected :know:
Well yes because people are not on the ball what ever the colour it is.
Jimbuna
06-29-15, 02:22 PM
Well yes because people are not on the ball what ever the colour it is.
One factor underpins all else....
Pensioners always do alright because they are the most likely section of the electorate to bother voting :know:
:smug:
One factor underpins all else....
Pensioners always do alright because they are the most likely section of the electorate to bother voting :know:
:smug:
Problem is the pension crisis, State Pension takes the biggest chunk out of the welfare budget. Tories long term goal is to bring about the end of the welfare system, true today's pensioners don't give a hoot but the rest of us should, like me.
Jimbuna
06-30-15, 07:48 AM
Problem is the pension crisis, State Pension takes the biggest chunk out of the welfare budget. Tories long term goal is to bring about the end of the welfare system, true today's pensioners don't give a hoot but the rest of us should, like me.
I honestly believe that the pensions element of the welfare system, however large is also the safest element.
Fubar2Niner
06-30-15, 08:40 AM
Take this how you wish, but I read an interesting comment in the *cough* Metro yesterday. It read something like this,
'Why does this country borrow so much money only to give a huge stash away in foreign aid, then complain we are in debt and that NHS,education etc. etc has to be cut.'
I know it is a comic, but interesting comment never the less :hmmm:
Jimbuna
06-30-15, 11:30 AM
I think the answer to the above from David Cameron would be along the lines of...
It's a moral and pragmatic one, the delivering on the 0.7% pledge is the right thing to do, as well as advancing national interests. It is not only a moral obligation that the better-off countries have to tackle poverty in our world when we still have over a billion people living on less than a dollar a day, but it's also in our interests that we build a more prosperous world. If we don't, the problems of conflict, the problems of mass migration, the problems of uncontrollable climate change are problems that will come and visit us at home.
Some of the above I agree with but much of it I don't.
This was on the second page! STEED, Bossmark, you guys feeling alright? :o
Anyway...
http://www.tvchitchat.net/images/g3511.jpg
I'm...still alive? The Budget has come and gone and I haven't been completely shafted by it?
Is Gideon feeling ok?
That living wage plan is going to really make Labour happy, that's another arrow from their quiver gone. But I do feel sorry for the younger people, they took it fairly hard this time around.
Still, we shall see...still feels like I'm waiting for the other boot to drop.
Fubar2Niner
07-09-15, 02:40 AM
The 'Living wage plan' is complete bs. £9.00 ph is less than the living wage needed by approx 50 pence (depending on the report you read. In 5 years it will be worthless.
Jimbuna
07-09-15, 07:21 AM
I'm all for phasing out a life on the welfare state but to hit working families in the whole process is fundamentally wrong.
Make it worthwhile for people to work then cut benefits a little at a time.
Jimbuna
07-09-15, 08:58 AM
Doesn't make good reading...
Thirteen million familes will be £260 a year worse off and for three million it could be as high as £1000.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33463864
Fubar2Niner
07-09-15, 01:41 PM
Myself and a lot of other Osbornes in this country are hoping this arse (any more appropriate expletive will get me thrown in the brig) isn't a relative in some way shape or form. Deed poll is looking more and more inviting. :arrgh!:
XabbaRus
07-09-15, 02:05 PM
So where are the SNP ganging up with Labour?
I thought the SNP were going to be the conscience of the parliament.
BossMark
07-10-15, 02:27 AM
I have got just one word for Gideons budget and that is
Bollocks
Jimbuna
07-10-15, 09:48 AM
I'm beginning to give serious thought to whether it is worth maintaining my party membership because their policies (the few they are rumoured to have) don't fit in with my current thinking or position in life.
I'm beginning to give serious thought to whether it is worth maintaining my party membership because their policies (the few they are rumoured to have) don't fit in with my current thinking or position in life.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PNA3MhTgaXw/Swqco46D07I/AAAAAAAAAL0/aFZnXo7pmZE/s1600/m-and-m-red-propaganda-poster1.jpg
Looks like the young got well and truly screwed, clear aim of this was too weigh them down with more and more debt allowing more printing of fiat money. The destruction of the welfare system could not be in safer hands with the Tories. I saw this dreadful picture of IDS with raised arms and clenched fists as too say take that you filthy dirty low life scum, death to you all.
Jimbuna
07-10-15, 10:29 AM
I guess a lot of the blame for that is with Labour for being so out of touch with the electorate.
BossMark
07-11-15, 04:26 AM
I'm beginning to give serious thought to whether it is worth maintaining my party membership because their policies (the few they are rumoured to have) don't fit in with my current thinking or position in life.
Hopefully things will change when Andy Burnham takes over as leader....
Hopefully things will change when Andy Burnham takes over as leader....
Jeremy Corbyn is moving up fast now hes in front of Liz just behind Andy.
http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.3724856.1407934842!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg
Stinking rich pigs take them out and flog them and shoot the corupt bankers, are you with me?
It seems the people are.
Anyone catch that CH4 investigation of London estate agents? All five would deal with a poorly paid Russian government worker who stole a heap of drug money! Funny thing the investigator/fake Russian buyer was up front with his info!
Well Gideon what do you think about that?
I bet he dose not care as this makes the London housing market figures look good.
UPATE
Look what I found reported a few days ago..
London is now the global money-laundering centre for the drug trade, says crime expert
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-is-now-the-global-moneylaundering-centre-for-the-drug-trade-says-crime-expert-10366262.html
Well Gideon what do you think about that one as well?
I bet he dose not care as this makes the GDP figures look good.
Jimbuna
07-11-15, 09:17 AM
Jeremy Corbyn is moving up fast now hes in front of Liz just behind Andy.
http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.3724856.1407934842!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg
Stinking rich pigs take them out and flog them and shoot the corupt bankers, are you with me?
It seems the people are.
Only because he has the backing of the trade unions such as Unite....a sure recipe for backward thinking and even longer in the political wilderness in the eyes of the vast majority of the UK electorate.
Cameron must be wringing his hands with glee.
Should Labour do...
A. Dump all the unions and have no more to do with them?
B. Dump the backward thinking unions?
C. Try kicking the backward unions up the backside and bring them kicking & screaming into the 21st century?
D. Do nothing to rock the boat?
Jimbuna
07-11-15, 09:54 AM
D. The unions are the major financial backers to the party....unfortunately.
D. The unions are the major financial backers to the party....unfortunately.
And there is their problem the unions got Labour by the balls. This is a opportunity for Labour to get its house in order and the unions, 2020 election is a write off so concentrate on the big clean up or they will go the way of the LibDems!
BossMark
07-11-15, 11:18 AM
It should C but I agree with Jim it will be D.
Jimbuna
07-12-15, 05:30 AM
I've decided I will vote in the leadership election then give it till the end of the year to see what impact the new leadership has before deciding on my party membership.
I'm not all that hopeful though.
I've decided I will vote in the leadership election then give it till the end of the year to see what impact the new leadership has before deciding on my party membership.
I'm not all that hopeful though.
Cut your losses now jim as labour is finished, I was was watching a news interview with some miners who are going to lose their jobs due to closer of the mine and they had no faith in Labour any more and looked upon the contesting next leaders as a joke and said none of them don't care.
True to a point as British politics is being Americanized, glossy image is everything and the rest can go to hell. That's why in part Diamond Dave won and Ed did not. I think we could be witnessing the fall of Labour and the LibDems could they be replaced by UKIP and the Greens or something else to come. :hmmm:
Listening to the radio sounds like those evil Tories are going to hit agency workers removing their holiday pay and sick pay. These Tory slugs will not be happy until they have turned back the clock to the days of the poor work house.
BossMark
07-13-15, 10:53 AM
Listening to the radio sounds like those evil Tories are going to hit agency workers removing their holiday pay and sick pay. These Tory slugs will not be happy until they have turned back the clock to the days of the poor work house.
And they've got 5 years to do this, but I think it will take them less :nope:
Jimbuna
07-13-15, 02:54 PM
Cut your losses now jim as labour is finished, I was was watching a news interview with some miners who are going to lose their jobs due to closer of the mine and they had no faith in Labour any more and looked upon the contesting next leaders as a joke and said none of them don't care.
True to a point as British politics is being Americanized, glossy image is everything and the rest can go to hell. That's why in part Diamond Dave won and Ed did not. I think we could be witnessing the fall of Labour and the LibDems could they be replaced by UKIP and the Greens or something else to come. :hmmm:
Should that come about and bearing in mind I'm only eight years from state pension age....I may become a Tory and reap the triple-lock pension benefits :)
Can you guys hear a crazy man shouting out...Dam you Bitch and Dam you SNP?
Fox-hunting: SNP forces Cameron to delay planned Commons vote
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33520547
Is this the start of the SNP getting under Diamond Dave's skin? :hmmm:
Let cheer up Cameron and send him this..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Books-by-the-Sea-PILLOWCASE/dp/B00X60EYGC/ref=sr_1_129?ie=UTF8&qid=1436895680&sr=8-129&keywords=UKIP
Moonlight
07-14-15, 05:17 PM
Sturgeon has scuppered the Tory plans for now but it would have been much better if she had kept her mouth shut until the fox hunting debate and vote had actually begun.:nope:
Cameron will introduce it again when the EVEL debate is done up like a kipper so it gets the chance of becoming law, he might also decide his MP's need whipping into line as well to try and force it through parliament that way. :/\\!!
Cameron is as sly as a fox and as slippery as an eel, this isn't over by a long way yet.:hmph:
Sadly I think you're right Moonlight, Cameron has to dance to the tune his masters play him. Still, it was briefly nice to see his plans derailed slightly, even if it was only temporarily.
Speaking of Sturgeon, I see Mhairi Black stood up in the commons and smashed it out of the park. Hopefully the lass will go far, providing Westminster doesn't taint her.
BossMark
07-15-15, 02:27 AM
Trades Union Bill: Ministers unveil strike law reforms
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33529248
Here ago again Tories back in power and wanting to stop workers rights....
There would also be a minimum 50% turnout for strike ballots to be valid
Didn't the Tories only get in with 37% of the vote???, with 63% telling them to piss off....
Jimbuna
07-15-15, 08:39 AM
The fox hunting issue has simply brought the EVEL debate forward which is precisely what Sturgeon wants....a step closer to independance.
Cameron has been out manoeuvred.
Stand by for U-Turn George who said no.
Osborne Considers Approving EU Funds For Greece
George Osborne has signalled that he could allow the use of a controversial European Union fund to help provide Greece with a short-term loan - but only if the UK is protected from a possible default
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/treasury-approves-eu-wide-funds-greece-104652799.html#BbeRAQZ
This is how it starts, another climb down on the way? :hmmm:
BossMark
07-15-15, 11:38 AM
A 94-year-old Nazi has been found guilty of 'facilitating mass murder' for his role in the confiscation of wealth from poor, vulnerable, politically-disadvantaged people.
I never realised that Iain Duncan Smith was so old.
Bad news everyone looks like we're have to keep our bio suites on, the government has ruled out water canons to wash away their BS.
Trades Union Bill: Ministers unveil strike law reforms
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33529248
Here ago again Tories back in power and wanting to stop workers rights....
Didn't the Tories only get in with 37% of the vote???, with 63% telling them to piss off....
Not long before all strike action will be outlawed then the unions, result this will put labour in the brown stuff.
You can tell the election is over.
The UK unemployment total has risen for the first time in two years, according to the Office for National Statistics.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33535114
Government must be running out of ideas to hide the real figures. Mine you they got four years to come up with new super ideas to loose the real figures forever.
XabbaRus
07-15-15, 12:55 PM
Yes, but Sturgeon is playing the game too. I wonder if the Fox hunting bill was introduced as they knew what was going to happen.
However I sit next to a hardcore SNP/Independence supporter and everything is a conspiracy from the BBC, to any UK party. Gets tiresome listening to it. Mhairi made a good speech granted however I am distrustful.
I don't like the Tories, and I'm sure the SNP will run them close, but it is the politics of destruction which in the long run will cause more resentment. Of course then SNP are riding the wave but it is the politics of divisiveness.
Jimbuna
07-16-15, 06:06 AM
It would appear Jeremy Corbyn is currently ahead in the Labour Party leadership race.
Quickest way to destroy a party and become totally unelectable to the British public...
BossMark
07-16-15, 06:18 AM
It would appear Jeremy Corbyn is currently ahead in the Labour Party leadership race.
Quickest way to destroy a party and become totally unelectable to the British public...
Andy Burnham 5\6
Yvette Cooper 11\4
Jeremy Corbyn 7\2 (was 8\1 just under two weeks ago)
Liz Kendal 10\1
It would appear Jeremy Corbyn is currently ahead in the Labour Party leadership race.
Quickest way to destroy a party and become totally unelectable to the British public...
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ec/d8/ac/ecd8ac7292f5caf28893b570e2e79cde.jpg
It's a pity, because I do like Corbyn, but he's just going to be cannon-fodder for the Tory spin cycle. :nope:
Jimbuna
07-16-15, 08:22 AM
It could be argued that Len McCluskey is currently the most dangerous man in UK politics atm.
It would appear Jeremy Corbyn is currently ahead in the Labour Party leadership race.
Quickest way to destroy a party and become totally unelectable to the British public...
http://www.007james.com/i/thumbs/articles/top_10_villains/mr_big.jpg
Relax baby Mr Big is here.....
I always wanted to do that. :haha:
Why is anyone getting so worried about Jeremy Corbyn? We all know Labour hasn't a hope winning the 2020 general election so if old Jeremy Corbyn is the leader he will step down and make way for a proper leader. Best thing for Labour if he wins as the end result they will finally understand why they are not electable and dump the backward thinking Unions.
The New LibDems Leader is...
Tim Farron is the new leader of the Liberal Democrats, the party has announced.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33545779
I just hope you LibDems will never ever jump into bed with the Tories ever again.
And now stinking news..
MPs' salaries will rise from £67,060 to £74,000, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority has announced.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33552499
This is so wrong. :nope:
BossMark
07-17-15, 01:31 AM
Tim Farron is the new leader of the Lib Dems.
For those of you asking "Who?", it's a political party.
Jimbuna
07-17-15, 06:14 AM
And now stinking news..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33552499
This is so wrong. :nope:
I think you're being a tad disingenuous old fruit.
The pay rise would not cost any money because it was being combined with cuts to expenses, pension and severance payments for MPs.
Added to the above...
In future MPs' pay would rise in line with average rises in the public sector.
Not the best timing when considering current austerity measures I agree but the writing has been on the wall for a long time now and MP's pay is not comparable to those enjoyed by politicians abroad, many countries with a lower standard of living than the UK.
Over to you Labour guys, does he have a point?
Chuka Umunna accuses Labour 'behaving like a petulant child' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-is-behaving-like-a-petulant-child--chuka-umunna-hits-out-10395856.html
Jimbuna
07-18-15, 06:37 AM
^ That is the most sensible piece I've read from Chuka Umunna in a good while :yep:
It would appear Jeremy Corbyn is currently ahead in the Labour Party leadership race.
Quickest way to destroy a party and become totally unelectable to the British public...
Problem is Jim, if Corbyn becomes Labour leader, the sort of policies he favours might, just might, get Glasgow voting for them again. They voted SNP, not because they necessarily want independence, but because they believe in Old Labour Values. The SNP cunningly adopted left wing rhetoric specifically to woo that particular area. The Red Clydeside spirit is still there.
If you control Glasgow, you control Scotland.
Thus many former Labour voters went for the SNP because the believe that the Nats are where Old Labour used to be. What they haven't noticed is that in terms of actual policies, there ain't much difference between the SNP and Labour!
That should give the party leadership an indication of what went wrong for them in their oldest citadel. The current Labour Party is too right wing for the Western Central Belt!
Mike.
Here we go again..
UK WORLD POLICE STRIKES AGAIN!
I don't give a dam which party is in government as all of them have screwed up and now Cameron is going to do his bit making the UK even more of a target!
Brilliant idea rob the poor and build bombs so we can drop them on a handful of hot heads in the Middle East and say we're just made the UK safer...NO YOU BLOODY WELL HAVE NOT YOU MORONS!
Moonlight
07-20-15, 12:18 PM
Come on old bean, you've got to let the flaming idiot go around strutting his stuff just like Blair and Thatcher once did.
Point 1
He can't be called a proper Prime Minister until he's gone and got plenty of blood on his hands.
Point 2
One's got to keep one's standards up old boy, having that Labour pussy Blair screwing up more than he has must be causing him some sleepless nights.
Point 3
A fanfare of bullets and bombs will deflect attention away from our £1.5 trillion of debt now won't it. :/\\!!
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
We're on the road to hell.:nope:
BossMark
07-20-15, 02:38 PM
I agree the terrorists must be stopped, but toffboy shouldn't be bragging and spouting off about it as we all might as well walk around with a big target on our backs..
I see old Gids wants 40% more cuts, hang on we're not in do-do according to the government. :hmmm:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33610801
From - The Times
Labour war as Corbyn closes in on leadership
The hard-left MP Jeremy Corbyn is on course to become the next Labour leader, according to the first public poll of the campaign.
As the party descended into open warfare over its future yesterday, a YouGov poll for The Times found that Mr Corbyn would beat the previous frontrunner, Andy Burnham, by 53 per cent to 47 per cent in the final round of voting. A poll of first-preference votes puts Mr Corbyn 17 points in front.
You have to log in to read the full story
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4504838.ece
If this is true Labour could very well crash out with the LibDems. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
07-22-15, 08:13 AM
If Corbyn wins I'll be cancelling my party membership and I have told Andy Burnham that.
BossMark
07-22-15, 08:40 AM
If Corbyn wins I'll be cancelling my party membership and I have told Andy Burnham that.
I have thought of doing that as well, even though I don't really want to...
Jeremy Corbyn is in front in this poll.
http://news.sky.com/story/1523051/blair-warns-labour-dont-lurch-to-corbyn
Aye, the Times reckoned he was front runner in the polls, but then again we've had a very good demonstration lately of how reliable polls can be... :dead:
Jimbuna
07-23-15, 09:50 AM
Never really rated Margaret Beckett all that much but her stock rating shot up when I read about this...
Ex-Labour Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett has described herself as a "moron" for nominating Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership contest.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33625612
BossMark
07-23-15, 10:52 AM
I'm applying government policies to my house. I'm going to cut my kids pocket money and pay myself more.
Jeremy Corbyn wins the leaders debate on LBC Radio and 9 out of 10 callers back him to the hilt.
He speaks common sense
He meets the people and talks with them not down at them
He has time for the voter and will win back votes that went to UKIP
He will restore faith in the labour party
^Just some of the comments from the general public
Now a bit of balance from the 1 out of 10
He will destroy the labour party
He is clueless
One caller suggested he will destroy the labour party which will be great as labour is a stinking right wing party and the result a true northern socialist labour party will rise from the ashes of the dead labour, just to add he was a labour member.
Well the publis like him but I see within labour the backlash against him is rising so his days on the stage could be drawing to a end.
Lord Prescott has criticised Tony Blair's intervention in the Labour leadership contest, telling the former prime minister to "calm down".http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33634194
Bloody calm down Tony or I've give thee a left hook. :har:
Fubar2Niner
07-23-15, 03:17 PM
Bloody calm down Tony or I've give thee a left hook. :har:
:har::har::har::har:
'Ello John gotta new ..... ?'
:har::har::har::har:
'Ello John gotta new ..... ?'
A. Jag
B. Motor that is not a Jag
C. Wife
D. Hair cut
Jimbuna
07-24-15, 06:54 AM
I can see the possibility of a split in the Labour party and a new party being formed similar to the SDP in the eighties.
Betonov
07-24-15, 07:56 AM
http://i.imgur.com/iKgRgdM.png
http://i.imgur.com/LeD5Z94.png
http://i.imgur.com/SVMl9hy.png
http://imgur.com/gallery/flyJj
Fubar2Niner
07-24-15, 08:20 AM
A. Jag
B. Motor that is not a Jag
C. Wife
D. Hair cut
E. Pair of boxing gloves
The bulk of Labour voted in favour with the government on the welfare bill. Makes me wonder if that ex-labour guy on the radio is right about labour now being a right wing party. :hmmm:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/welfare-cuts-vote-welfare-bill-that-will-cut-welfare-spending-by-12bn-passed-in-parliament-with-a-majority-of-184-despite-large-labour-revolt-10403340.html
This is how a friend sees the state of the party's.
Extreme Right wing
BNP 5/5
EDL 5/5
Right wing
UKIP 4/5
Conservative 3/5
Labour 2/5
Centre
?
Centre left
LibDems 2/5
Left wing
Greens 5/5
He rates it in a block of five how far the party's are in that block, he had the Conservatives on 4/5 until they went in favour of gay marriage.
He may have a point I too feel so far there is no party in the centre ground. :hmmm:
I'd have Labour more center since half the party is Blair Right, and the other half is Kinnock Left and both are pulling in seperate directions and tearing the party apart.
Think its possible that if Corbyn does get in, the Blairite group might splinter and form their own party? :hmmm:
I have been wondering if we will see a break away party from Labour as jim said we saw the SDP come about before it joined forces with the Liberals then as we know it went all the way to become the LibDems.
Just to add my mate dose change those figures every so often depending on the party's.
Too me looking at the big three you got coke, coke life, coke diet just nothing really to separate them.
Only the Greens seem to stand clear on Dr Pepper so to say. :)
Getting back to the labour leadership I picked up on this comment from the comments section on SKY.
The truth is that none of the candidates have what it takes to have credibility on the world stage
And I have to say I agree with this, on saying that I don't think the new LibDems leader has it and when Cameron steps down nor do I see anyone in the Tories.
When Dave steps down the big shark in the water will be Boris, and God help us all if he gets a hold of Downing Street. :doh:
Fubar2Niner
07-24-15, 01:19 PM
When Dave steps down the big shark in the water will be Boris, and God help us all if he gets a hold of Downing Street. :doh:
Possibly shipmate, from where I stand atm, all parties are a shower. If Boris gets in, if nothing else it will be entertaining. He will be undeniably outspoken, stupid, blonde (if not bald) and a complete twonk. Hmmm quite similar in all but policies to everyone I feel.
Possibly shipmate, from where I stand atm, all parties are a shower. If Boris gets in, if nothing else it will be entertaining. He will be undeniably outspoken, stupid, blonde (if not bald) and a complete twonk. Hmmm quite similar in all but policies to everyone I feel.
http://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif
I can't disagree with that. :haha:
Expenses: Speaker's £172 Bill For 1km Car Trip
http://news.sky.com/story/1524624/expenses-speakers-172-bill-for-1km-car-trip
Use a Taxi next time you pig! :stare:
I dunno, with taxi prices these days he probably wouldn't have got it much cheaper. :haha:
Fubar2Niner
07-25-15, 07:25 AM
God forbid that he might even use his bloody legs :/\\!!
Jimbuna
07-25-15, 09:39 AM
Put your money on Gideon replacing Dave...he has all but silenced Boris and unless he drops a major gaff in the next four years he should have cemented his place for the top job.
BossMark
07-25-15, 12:14 PM
Put your money on Gideon replacing Dave...he has all but silenced Boris and unless he drops a major gaff in the next four years he should have cemented his place for the top job.
Cant bet on any Tory to win anything, got 100 quid on Andy Burnham though..
Put your money on Gideon replacing Dave...he has all but silenced Boris and unless he drops a major gaff in the next four years he should have cemented his place for the top job.
Fat chance put your money on the dark stalking horse..http://www.austria-forum.info/images/smilies/huldigen.gif
http://i2.thejournal.co.uk/incoming/article8011325.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS31735198.jpg
Zac Goldsmith, that's a leaders name for a start. :yep:
This contest is going off the rails...
Labour Leadership Race 'Should Be Halted'
There are fears thousands have joined the Labour party just to vote in the leadership ballot, with the aim of splitting the party.
http://news.sky.com/story/1525332/labour-leadership-race-should-be-halted
BossMark
07-26-15, 06:00 AM
^^
Yes I did read somewhere that a lot of Tories are joining just so they can vote for Corbyn :hmm2:
Jimbuna
07-26-15, 10:08 AM
Labour Leadership Race 'Should Be Halted'
There are fears thousands have joined the Labour party just to vote in the leadership ballot, with the aim of splitting the party.
You can't split that which has already been torn asunder.
XabbaRus
07-26-15, 03:58 PM
When Dave steps down the big shark in the water will be Boris, and God help us all if he gets a hold of Downing Street. :doh:
From what I have been reading most of the new intake don't think much to him so I don't see Boris getting elected PM.
I think Boris has been outmaneuvered. I'd say next Tory leader will either be Osborne or May, with the former being more likely as he's Chancellor.:hmmm:
In the meantime I see that the Eckster's opened his mouth again on the Marr show:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-33668002
It does seem that the SNP are convinced that the Referendum was won by underhanded tactics. They are definitely wanting a re-run, and soon.:hmmm:
I also see that David Mundell committed a major tactical blunder by attending the opening of a food bank in Dumfries a few days back:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-33644000
He got the "Farage" treatment for his troubles. I think the Scottish edition of the Daily Mail on Saturday had a point about political debate in Scotland descending into acrimony and division. I'm beginning to think that the SNP are so determined to get what they want they don't care if Scotland turns into a re-run of Northern Ireland!:/\\!!
And to cap it all off, some sleaze from the upper House, Baron Sewel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sewel,_Baron_Sewel) (of Gilcomstoun in Aberdeen) quits as Lords deputy speaker after a "Sun" sting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33667676
As he's an ex-Aberdeen Councillor, I can't say I'm surprised he's turned out to be "morally dubious". Aberdeen Council's as corrupt and incompetent as they come, regardless of political persuasion!
Bleh!
Mike.
BossMark
07-27-15, 07:16 AM
New political slang - the "Full House":
Slandering members of the Government - check.
Sexist comments - check.
Racist comments - check.
Taking drugs - check.
Consorting with prostitutes - check.
Bravo, Lord Sewel.
Fubar2Niner
07-27-15, 08:41 AM
Boris strikes again;
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-signs-%C2%A3500k-book-deal-to-write-shakespeare-biography/ar-AAdvGbm
Jimbuna
07-27-15, 03:29 PM
Boris strikes again;
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-signs-%C2%A3500k-book-deal-to-write-shakespeare-biography/ar-AAdvGbm
Well his biography of Churchill did become a best-seller.
BossMark
07-28-15, 01:27 PM
It's all just sex and drugs on television these days.
Mind you, I only watch the Parliamentary channel.
I see our so called recovery is based on the banks, fast food and spending. I believe we have been down this road before which resulted in recession so here we go again the boom before the bust.
Jeremy Corbyn gets more backing.
The Communication Workers Union has backed left-wing MP Jeremy Corbyn in Labour's leadership contest, saying the "grip of the Blairites" on the party must be "loosened once and for all".http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33722135
Calais migrant crisis: PM pledges extra fencing and dogs
I feel so much safer now, I can sleep safely in my bed knowing those fences will keep those illegal migrants out of the UK. :03:
Jeremy Corbyn is looking good from where he sits..
Constituency party nominations -
Jeremy Corbyn 152
Andy Burnham 111
Yvette Cooper 106
Liz Kendall 18
From what I understand this dose not mean much but could be pointing the way to whom will take over.
I see Mr Big our PM is very busy saying he will look into shutting down porn sites, put a stop to corruption in the housing market, more fences to keep those illegal immigrants at bay and tackle child abuse corruption in Westminster.
Has he got time to take a leak? :03:
How much of the above will be put on the back burner or dropped and of course job done thanks to that sticky plaster.
Is anyone falling for this guff?
BossMark
08-01-15, 04:23 AM
Jeremy Corbyn is looking good from where he sits..
Constituency party nominations -
Jeremy Corbyn 152
Andy Burnham 111
Yvette Cooper 106
Liz Kendall 18
From what I understand this dose not mean much but could be pointing the way to whom will take over.
Defiantly something to worry about :hmm2:
Jimbuna
08-01-15, 08:03 AM
Jeremy Corbyn is looking good from where he sits..
Constituency party nominations -
Jeremy Corbyn 152
Andy Burnham 111
Yvette Cooper 106
Liz Kendall 18
From what I understand this dose not mean much but could be pointing the way to whom will take over.
The forerunner to the big split.
We may see another sort of scandal and this time it could be the House of Lords. Listening to the radio last night a number of peers have turned up to the Lords and never spoken in any of the issues/debates call them what you want. They were paid thousands of pounds and none of them need the money as all of them are stinking rich!
Edward Heath abuse claims: Four forces investigating ex-PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33770021
I don't know what you think jim but for me this whole ongoing investigation stinks of cover ups and bribes in high places. I feel this is another white wash to cover up the filth in all the party's.
BossMark
08-04-15, 11:44 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33770021
I don't know what you think jim but for me this whole ongoing investigation stinks of cover ups and bribes in high places. I feel this is another white wash to cover up the filth in all the party's.
No smoke without fire, no matter what party is involved the truth must come out about this horrendous scandal.
ExFishermanBob
08-05-15, 01:48 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/541793/SNP-activist-killed-over-child-sex-files
I've always wondered what he meant when he said “I’ve got them this time.” - never thought it might be kiddy-fiddling.
Interesting "suicide" if you read the details.
Jimbuna
08-05-15, 10:24 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33770021
I don't know what you think jim but for me this whole ongoing investigation stinks of cover ups and bribes in high places. I feel this is another white wash to cover up the filth in all the party's.
Too early to make a call matey but one question I would be asking is why it has taken so long for alleged victims to sally forth :hmmm:
Too early to make a call matey but one question I would be asking is why it has taken so long for alleged victims to sally forth :hmmm:
I think the general feeling was fear of the establishment. :hmmm:
I think the general feeling was fear of the establishment. :hmmm:
I think partly that and also it's only been within the last decade that authorities have started taking these allegations seriously.
Has Jeremy corbyn finally made a error?
I noticed the cover of the i Newspaper said..
Corbyn:
rich people
want to pay
more tax
..and I will help them to do thatReally? :hmmm: :har:
More wishful thinking I think. :haha:
Jimbuna
08-07-15, 06:47 AM
Corbyn:
rich people
want to pay
more tax
..and I will help them to do that
Get me a pint of whatever he is on :doh:
Make mind a double, can we whip Cameron and co in the bargain. :03:
Jimbuna
08-08-15, 07:26 AM
Spoke to Tom Watson this morning and during the course of the conversation I promised to give him my vote for Deputy Leader.
Spoke to Tom Watson this morning and during the course of the conversation I promised to give him my vote for Deputy Leader.
Pints for votes I see, how many pints did he buy you? :03:
Boris is making his move for leader..
the party must help the poor and drive social mobility.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/boris-johnson-wants-tories-burst-down-doors-social-124939850.html;_ylt=AkDIcXmHiRWE2LOfV5suBTnFfMl_;_ ylu=X3oDMTFzdTRzOTh0BG1pdANVSyBzZWN0aW9uIG1peGVkIG xpc3QEcG9zAzg4BHNlYwNNZWRpYUJMaXN0TWl4ZWRMUENBVGVt cA--;_ylg=X3oDMTBhY2IwdWc5BGxhbmcDZW4tR0I-;_ylv=3#ZTBTB63
http://leftfootforward.org/images/2010/01/Gideon-Osborne.jpg
Help the poor, what poor...Gideon asks.
Bad start there...
Jimbuna
08-08-15, 09:51 AM
Pints for votes I see, how many pints did he buy you? :03:
None yet but....maybe later :03:
None yet but....maybe later :03:
Going rate for a vote is 10 pints. :)
BossMark
08-08-15, 11:50 PM
Spoke to Tom Watson this morning and during the course of the conversation I promised to give him my vote for Deputy Leader.
Spoke to him during the general election campaign, seemed a decent guy so he will be getting my vote as well
Going rate for a vote is 10 pints. :)
Just for starters :D
All the Labour deputy candidates have confirm that they would serve under Jeremy corbyn, does that worry you guys?
Jeremy Corbyn to 'bring back Clause Four'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-to-bring-back-clause-four-contender-pledges-to-bury-new-labour-with-commitment-to-public-ownership-of-industry-10446982.html
Bring back British Rail. :yep:
I am a fan of British Rail, I grew up in the era of Network South-East, of BR Blue/Grey and the infamous Pork Pies.
That being said, I am not convinced that renationalising the railways will be the panacea that it is often touted as. I think that we do suffer a bit of rose-tinted spectacles when we look back at BR, particularly in regard to ticket prices and reliability.
That being said...if Corbyn promised to bring back BR Blue/Grey and Slamdoor third rail units...I could be persuaded to change my mind. :haha:
http://www.kentrail.org.uk/31st_March_1989_cep_1507_hastings.jpg
Jimbuna
08-09-15, 09:42 AM
All the Labour deputy candidates have confirm that they would serve under Jeremy corbyn, does that worry you guys?
Doesn't worry me in the slightest because if Corbyn wins I'll be cancelling my membership.
BossMark
08-10-15, 12:17 PM
Yvette Cooper says Jeremy Corbyn is set to take us all back to the 1970's.
If that means getting rid of the X factor and bringing back Top of the Pops , count me in.
Jim'll get his Party Seven back so that'll keep him happy. :03: :haha:
Bilge_Rat
08-10-15, 02:34 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33770021
I don't know what you think jim but for me this whole ongoing investigation stinks of cover ups and bribes in high places. I feel this is another white wash to cover up the filth in all the party's.
As I see it, it is very easy to attack someone who is dead and can no longer defend himself, but so far all you have are vague rumours and not a single supposed victim has come forward.
The Heath story is underpinned not by what used to be called “evidence”, but by a deluge of vague and anonymous “claims”. Each day another police force climbs on to the bandwagon by following allegations said to be “pouring in”. They are never enumerated, dated or specified.
As far as Heath is concerned, there appear to be only two firm allegations. One comes from a man who says he was raped by Heath in 1961 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sir-edward-heath-child-abuse-6188388) in a flat in Park Lane full of sailing paraphernalia. (Heath had no such flat and was not a sailor then, according to his biographer, John Campbell (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v15/n14/peter-clarke/tale-from-a-silver-age).) The Daily Mirror printed an immaculately written letter from the unnamed man, now in his 60s. The Metropolitan police investigated it some weeks ago and said it offered “no lines of inquiry that could proportionately be followed up”. That seems a not unreasonable response.
The other is from an anonymous former policeman in Wiltshire who alleged that a Myra Forde had, in the mid-1990s, threatened to expose Heath as a paedophile if she was prosecuted for running a brothel. She denied the whole story (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/05/ted-heath-child-abuse-claims-brothel-keeper-expose-threat) on Wednesday, which perhaps explains why Wiltshire’s police and prosecutor say they were never told of the threat, although they nevertheless held a press conference outside Heath’s former home in Salisbury last weekend.
But the case against Heath rests on two allegations from questionable sources, unsupported by any evidence of his sexual proclivities over 60 years of adult life, for most of which he was monitored around the clock by police close protection. They strike me as plain implausible.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/05/convict-dead-defenceless-case-edward-heath
Jimbuna
08-10-15, 04:01 PM
Jim'll get his Party Seven back so that'll keep him happy. :03: :haha:
LOL :)
As I see it, it is very easy to attack someone who is dead and can no longer defend himself, but so far all you have are vague rumours and not a single supposed victim has come forward.
Not just Heath, this investigation has been going on for years now and most that have been named are six feet under apart from Lord Janner. This is a investigation that dates back to the 70's to the 90's in to all the political party's.
Even Jimmy Savile a famous celeb was not fully investigated when he was alive. What came out of it was a wall of silence, people knew it was going on but would not speak up in fear of being called a liar.
I see The Times has a poll showing Jeremy Corbyn is set to win.
I am a fan of British Rail, I grew up in the era of Network South-East, of BR Blue/Grey and the infamous Pork Pies.
That being said, I am not convinced that renationalising the railways will be the panacea that it is often touted as. I think that we do suffer a bit of rose-tinted spectacles when we look back at BR, particularly in regard to ticket prices and reliability.
That being said...if Corbyn promised to bring back BR Blue/Grey and Slamdoor third rail units...I could be persuaded to change my mind. :haha:
http://www.kentrail.org.uk/31st_March_1989_cep_1507_hastings.jpg
I liked the old slam doors, one of the few sounds I like and miss. Ticket prices were so cheap I would go every where unlike now the robbing bastards, ok reliability was not perfect but hey its still not perfect and when you have to change from one company to another its a bloody nightmare!
Jeremy Corbyn dose have my support to re-nationalist the railways.
Jimbuna
08-11-15, 10:58 AM
I see The Times has a poll showing Jeremy Corbyn is set to win.
Last I saw Corbyn was on 51% and Burnham was on 21% :o
Last I saw Corbyn was on 51% and Burnham was on 21% :o
Stand down from condition red to condition orange even the man himself has said..
Jeremy Corbyn has urged his supporters to be "a bit cautious" after an opinion poll suggested he will romp to victory in Labour's leadership contest.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33860521
BossMark
08-12-15, 12:53 AM
Well the latest odds from Skybet
Jeremy Corbyn 1\3
Andy Burnham 100\30
Yvette Cooper 13\2
Liz Kendall 100\1
Jimbuna
08-12-15, 08:30 AM
Stand down from condition red to condition orange even the man himself has said..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33860521
Mr Corbyn, a backbencher who was seen as a rank outsider at the start of the campaign, has been packing out meeting halls across the UK, with many of his supporters joining the Labour Party to vote for him.
And there is the problem...there should have been a one year membership period as a minimum for those who could vote, not a £3 voting ticket for those who have an agenda to cause a civil war within the party.
Dave and his gang must be thinking that all of their birthdays have come at once.
And there is the problem...
I noticed on the news Labour had around 200,000 members before the election and now has gone up some 160,000! Double edge sword on one side you have real labour supporters and on the other Tories UKIP Greens Liberals Anarchists Communists the far right all with their own agenda's to cause trouble.
The last days of the Labour party? :hmmm:
BossMark
08-13-15, 01:30 PM
And there is the problem...there should have been a one year membership period as a minimum for those who could vote, not a £3 voting ticket for those who have an agenda to cause a civil war within the party.
I defiantly agree and same goes to those affiliated to unions as well.
Jimbuna
08-14-15, 06:43 AM
You're in a 'defiant' frame of mind then? :)
New poll in The Times suggests Jeremy Corbyn has won, he's so far ahead the others have no chance. Watching SKY News paper review and the guests were saying we all know where Jeremy Corbyn stands and wants but the other three have no clear ideas no substance no political agenda apart from vote for me I'm the best better than the rest. :hmmm:
Do you think they may have a point?
Moonlight
08-14-15, 07:42 AM
Meh! all of them spliced together couldn't make a half decent leader, the Labour party needs someone with some brains and charisma, sadly these 4 muppets are short of at least one of the requirements. :/\\!!
Edit, I listened to Yvette Cooper on C4 last night, it was as though she was reading from a script, no passion, no sincerity, no nothing, God help the Labour Party supporters because they'll need it if she wins.:nope:
Edit, I listened to Yvette Cooper on C4 last night, it was as though she was reading from a script, no passion, no sincerity, no nothing
That was spotted in the others apart from Jeremy Corbyn. Its like the dull as ditch water three Vs the court jester.:huh:
Jimbuna
08-14-15, 08:34 AM
Really looking forward to Jeremys first PM Q&A :)
Really looking forward to Jeremys first PM Q&A :)
http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.3724856.1407934842!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg
Shut your face toff boy you dirty old gang banging bastard!
Jimbuna
08-14-15, 09:09 AM
Or more likely...."Oh dear, what am I expected to say now"?
Or more likely...."Oh dear, what am I expected to say now"?
Nah...I hear some one here is teaching him how to take on and beat Toff Boy, wonder who? :hmmm:
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