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All comes down to the EU to agree to it and going by their record so far they will probably find fault with it.
Jimbuna
07-08-18, 07:34 AM
No or little doubt about that but I believe there is a growing list of countries in the EU who want a deal....the alternative may well be something similar to what Trump is currently in the process of creating.
It is in EVERYONES interests to come to a deal.
It only takes one EU country to reject it. We got a hotch-pot soft brexit plan that could result in a mess. We shall see when we fully 100% leave if that happens.
Jimbuna
07-08-18, 07:57 AM
Despite the fact you state the obvious I find it rather peculiar that certain countries vote a certain way and the others tend to fall into line on numerous occasions.
Despite the fact you state the obvious I find it rather peculiar that certain countries vote a certain way and the others tend to fall into line on numerous occasions.
EU's version of the three line whip is probably a sneaky vote the way we want or will do..ABC to you. :03:
Hey Jim you will not believe this but in a radio poll a week or so go the country would have old JC as PM if Labour was in a coalition government with another party! :o
It seems a little yes for old JC that Labour is held in check with their partner. Looking at the last Con/Lib one the Tories still had most of the control and threw the odd bread crum Libs way to keep them happy.
Jimbuna
07-08-18, 10:24 AM
JC is more for Brexit than possibly anyone else on the Labour benches and that is just one of the numerous reasons Mr Hypocrite will never become the PM.
Sailor Steve
07-08-18, 11:54 AM
Dump...
Is it really necessary to use offensive nicknames? I'm no fan of the guy either, but that sort of thing just doesn't seem right to me.
JC is more for Brexit than possibly anyone else on the Labour benches and that is just one of the numerous reasons Mr Hypocrite will never become the PM.
We live in strange times..:03:
I'm not saying he will or not as it's some time off but... :confused: :rolleyes: :eek:
Brexit Secretary David Davis resigns
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44761056
United cabinet....YEA! :roll:
Looks like PM May has been walking over Davis and telling us a load of dribble.
Dominic Raab has been appointed Brexit Secretary by Theresa May after David Davis resigned from the government.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44763998
Jimbuna
07-09-18, 07:21 AM
Probably the first of a few.
Jimbuna
07-09-18, 07:27 AM
After many months of rumours that he would pull the plug, David Davis has actually quit as Brexit Secretary.
His unhappiness in government has been no secret for some time, but after the prime minister's Chequers agreement with cabinet ministers to pursue closer ties with the EU than he desired, he found his position untenable.
After a visit to Downing Street on Sunday he concluded that he had no choice but to walk. Junior ministerial colleague Steve Baker has also quit alongside him from the Brexit department. David Davis' move, while not completely surprising, throws doubt on to how secure the government's Brexit strategy is.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44747445
Looks like one Tory that has a few more principles than most.
Dominic Raab has been appointed Brexit secretary by Theresa May after David Davis resigned from the government.
Mr Raab, who is currently housing minister, was a prominent Leave campaigner during the 2016 referendum.
Mr Davis quit late on Sunday night, saying Theresa May had "given away too much too easily".
The 44-year old Mr Raab, a lawyer before becoming an MP in 2010, will now take over day-to-day negotiations with the EU's Michel Barnier.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44763998
Cometh the hour, cometh the 'yes' man.
Jimbuna
07-09-18, 12:30 PM
Boris Johnson has launched a scathing attack on Theresa May's Brexit strategy, saying the "dream is dying, suffocated by needless self-doubt".
In his letter resigning as foreign secretary he claimed the prime minister was leading the UK into a "semi-Brexit" with the "status of a colony".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44770847
The clown has finally left the circus but I can honestly say I fundamentally agree with him :yep:
What next, a leadership challenge? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
07-09-18, 01:40 PM
Brussels fears UK cabinet crisis may be a path to no-deal Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44770630
A fairly balanced article IMHO.
Catfish
07-09-18, 01:47 PM
...was leading the UK into a "semi-Brexit" with the "status of a colony".
Do they even think before they speak out :doh:
Jimbuna
07-09-18, 01:59 PM
Boris never has and probably never will :)
Catfish
07-09-18, 03:42 PM
Is it really necessary to use offensive nicknames? I'm no fan of the guy either, but that sort of thing just doesn't seem right to me.
Offensive. I consider everything that Trump says and does, as 'offensive'. And he is not a sympathetic 'guy', but an angry old man who destroys all he can for the sake of his narcistic self-portrayal. His hate, despise and racist speech is disgusting, and his "twittering" (lmAo) ridiculous.
I have not yet found the right words to describe him properly, but for the sake of the forum and hurt feelings of his worshippers i shall try not to mention him again, at all.
edit: –
What next, a leadership challenge? :hmmm:
No one has got the guts because they know the mess Brexit is in. Even if someone did PM May will win.
Nigel is back sort of, he is thinking to stand for the UKIP leadership next March after this Tory mess came to light. Sorry Nigel its to late by then.
Jimbuna
07-10-18, 10:35 AM
Boris Johnson's resignation letter and May's reply in full.
Dear Theresa
It is more than two years since the British people voted to leave the European Union on an unambiguous and categorical promise that if they did so they would be taking back control of their democracy.
They were told that they would be able to manage their own immigration policy, repatriate the sums of UK cash currently spent by the EU, and, above all, that they would be able to pass laws independently and in the interests of the people of this country.
Brexit should be about opportunity and hope. It should be a chance to do things differently, to be more nimble and dynamic, and to maximise the particular advantages of the UK as an open, outward-looking global economy.
That dream is dying, suffocated by needless self-doubt.
We have postponed crucial decisions - including the preparations for no deal, as I argued in my letter to you of last November - with the result that we appear to be heading for a semi-Brexit, with large parts of the economy still locked in the EU system, but with no UK control over that system.
It now seems that the opening bid of our negotiations involves accepting that we are not actually going to be able to make our own laws. Indeed we seem to have gone backwards since the last Chequers meeting in February, when I described my frustrations, as Mayor of London, in trying to protect cyclists from juggernauts. We had wanted to lower the cabin windows to improve visibility; and even though such designs were already on the market, and even though there had been a horrific spate of deaths, mainly of female cyclists, we were told that we had to wait for the EU to legislate on the matter.
So at the previous Chequers session we thrashed out an elaborate procedure for divergence from EU rules. But even that now seems to have been taken off the table, and there is in fact no easy UK right of initiative. Yet if Brexit is to mean anything, it must surely give ministers and Parliament the chance to do things differently to protect the public. If a country cannot pass a law to save the lives of female cyclists - when that proposal is supported at every level of UK government - then I don't see how that country can truly be called independent.
Conversely, the British government has spent decades arguing against this or that EU directive, on the grounds that it was too burdensome or ill-thought out. We are now in the ludicrous position of asserting that we must accept huge amounts of precisely such EU law, without changing an iota, because it is essential for our economic health - and when we no longer have any ability to influence these laws as they are made.
In that respect we are truly headed for the status of colony - and many will struggle to see the economic or political advantages of that particular arrangement.
It is also clear that by surrendering control over our rulebook for goods and agrifoods (and much else besides) we will make it much more difficult to do free trade deals. And then there is the further impediment of having to argue for an impractical and undeliverable customs arrangement unlike any other in existence.
What is even more disturbing is that this is our opening bid. This is already how we see the end state for the UK - before the other side has made its counter-offer. It is as though we are sending our vanguard into battle with the white flags fluttering above them. Indeed, I was concerned, looking at Friday's document, that there might be further concessions on immigration, or that we might end up effectively paying for access to the single market.
On Friday I acknowledged that my side of the argument were too few to prevail, and congratulated you on at least reaching a cabinet decision on the way forward. As I said then, the government now has a song to sing. The trouble is that I have practised the words over the weekend and find that they stick in the throat. We must have collective responsibility. Since I cannot in all conscience champion these proposals, I have sadly concluded that I must go.
I am proud to have served as Foreign Secretary in your government. As I step down, I would like first to thank the patient officers of the Metropolitan Police who have looked after me and my family, at times in demanding circumstances. I am proud too of the extraordinary men and women of our diplomatic service. Over the last few months they have shown how many friends this country has around the world, as 28 governments expelled Russian spies in an unprecedented protest at the attempted assassination of the Skripals. They have organised a highly successful Commonwealth summit and secured record international support for this government's campaign for 12 years of quality education for every girl, and much more besides. As I leave office, the FCO now has the largest and by far the most effective diplomatic network of any country in Europe — a continent which we will never leave.
The Rt Hon Boris Johnson MP
Dear Boris,
Thank you for your letter relinquishing the office of Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs.
I am sorry - and a little surprised - to receive it after the productive discussions we had at Chequers on Friday, and the comprehensive and detailed proposal which we agreed as a Cabinet. It is a proposal which will honour the result of the referendum and the commitments we made in our general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. It will mean that we take back control of our borders, our laws, and our money - ending the freedom of movement, ending the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice in the United Kingdom, and ending the days of sending vast sums of taxpayers' money to the European Union. We will be able to spend that money on our priorities instead - such as the £20 billion increase we have announced for the NHS budget, which means that we will soon be spending an extra £394 million a week on our National Health Service.
As I outlined at Chequers, the agreement we reached requires the full, collective support of Her Majesty's Government. During the EU referendum campaign, collective responsibility on EU policy was temporarily suspended. As we developed our policy on Brexit, I have allowed Cabinet colleagues considerable latitude to express their individual views. But the agreement we reached on Friday marks the point where that is no longer the case, and if you are not able to provide the support we need to secure this deal in the interests of the United Kingdom, it is right that you should step down.
As you do so, I would like to place on record my appreciation of the service you have given to our country, and to the Conservative Party, as Mayor of London and as Foreign Secretary - not least for the passion that you have demonstrated in promoting a Global Britain to the world as we leave the European Union.
Yours ever,
Theresa May
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44772804
Catfish
07-10-18, 01:55 PM
Maybe he wrote it later, because he did not want to go home by foot :hmmm:
Jimbuna
07-11-18, 07:50 AM
Always expect the unexpected where Boris is concerned :)
https://s.faketrumptweet.com/jjid2p67_rtujiz_ueqwqp.png
Jimbuna
07-12-18, 06:17 AM
The UK's blueprint for future EU relations is to be published today hopefully.
https://i.imgur.com/viGU31p.jpg
Catfish
07-12-18, 07:33 AM
^ I think you should spare your "Express" and "The Sun" opinions, after all we will not demand money back for the Personal Union, fighting Napoleon or whatever happened in the stone age, when England was not yet an island. As we saw England has always tried to divide (Europe) and rule (alone), but it remains to be seen if the EU breaks apart now.
As for 'Realpolitik' following article 50 beating 70 if you obviously like to see it that way, the 'UK' (further called 'England' here :03:) does not need to pay anything and can walk straight out of the room. No deal.
This will then apply for all sides. No. deal.
Problem for the EU is that it is no sovereign state, so legally it probably cannot sue England. But.. there are 27 single sovereign nations who then will. No deal, and money back. And just walking away would also do some reputational damage to the UK - if it can't trusted on past obligations, why should anyone trust it on future ones?
There are however some pro-brexit who would prefer to pay, coming full circle back to Realpolitik:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/the-truth-about-britains-eu-divorce-bill-and-why-we-should-pay-it-a8051891.html
Regarding T.'s tweet further north, i wish England a happy time with him and all that (but yes i suppose it's a prank).
The UK's blueprint for future EU relations is to be published today hopefully.
Don't care jim, Davis told the truth and that document is a sham.
Jimbuna
07-12-18, 10:09 AM
Forty eight signatures is all that is required.
Forty eight signatures is all that is required.
PM May's trump card the fear of handing the keys to No.10 to old JC and his loons. :03:
Here you go folks 108 pages of guff...
BREXIT PAPER
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/724982/The_future_relationship_between_the_United_Kingdom _and_the_European_Union_WEB_VERSION.pdf
Jimbuna
07-12-18, 10:32 AM
PM May's trump card the fear of handing the keys to No.10 to old JC and his loons. :03:
Now aint that the truth :yep:
Catfish
07-13-18, 03:04 AM
It is all becoming a bit awkward after 'the visit', including the NATO prequel.
It is not May's fault, she was against brexit but has to carry the can for the likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Fagare, who should be in charge for all by now, including the blame for trying to make the best of a divided society, and opinion.
And Trump.. big deal, no deal, i love England, i hate England, i support NATO, i do not support NATO. I mean apart from the elephant being in the room, how should anyone understand, plan, or calculate with this rubbish. :hmmm:
'Interesting' times ahead, not only for England.
A warm welcome yesterday for President Trump and today a frosty meeting.
TRUMP'S BREXIT BLAST I told May how to do Brexit but she wrecked it — the US trade deal is off, says Donald Trump
In a world exclusive interview with The Sun, the US President said Theresa May had ignored his advice by opting for a soft Brexit strategyhttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6766531/trump-may-brexit-us-deal-off/
Catfish
07-13-18, 04:19 AM
^ quote from 'The Sun'
"the US President said Theresa May had ignored his advice by opting for a soft Brexit strategy" ? Really? :hmmm:
"Johnson tipped as future PM"
"The US President described the former Foreign Secretary as
“a very talented guy. [...] I have a lot of respect for Boris. He obviously likes me, and says very good things about me."
Of course, if Trump says Johnson would be better...
Next: Farage for foreign office, and Corbyn for financials? :hmmm:
Skybird
07-13-18, 04:22 AM
https://www.dw.com/en/did-angela-merkel-approve-theresa-mays-brexit-plan-in-advance/a-44643799
Jimbuna
07-13-18, 05:35 AM
^ I think you should spare your "Express" and "The Sun" opinions, after all we will not demand money back for the Personal Union, fighting Napoleon or whatever happened in the stone age, when England was not yet an island. As we saw England has always tried to divide (Europe) and rule (alone), but it remains to be seen if the EU breaks apart now.
As for 'Realpolitik' following article 50 beating 70 if you obviously like to see it that way, the 'UK' (further called 'England' here :03:) does not need to pay anything and can walk straight out of the room. No deal.
This will then apply for all sides. No. deal.
Problem for the EU is that it is no sovereign state, so legally it probably cannot sue England. But.. there are 27 single sovereign nations who then will. No deal, and money back. And just walking away would also do some reputational damage to the UK - if it can't trusted on past obligations, why should anyone trust it on future ones?
There are however some pro-brexit who would prefer to pay, coming full circle back to Realpolitik:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/the-truth-about-britains-eu-divorce-bill-and-why-we-should-pay-it-a8051891.html
Regarding T.'s tweet further north, i wish England a happy time with him and all that (but yes i suppose it's a prank).
We are definitely in the midst of a political minefield atm Kai but I reckon your choice of examples above could have been better thought out.
There were allies with Great Britain in the fight against Napoleon, Germany being amongst them and as for dividing and ruling Europe surely there is no better example than that of Germany.
As for future trust I readily admit I'm proud of our history in particular over the two world wars and surely it is plain to see that Europe has learned to trust Germany....twice over.
I'm a brexit supporter and voted accordingly. I simply post an image here or there to show the depth of feeling in many parts of the UK (the north especially) and whilst not fully endorsing the actual contents or way it is displayed it is nonetheless indicative of much of the population, what percentage wise probably depends on what side of the equation one is most comfortable with.
https://www.dw.com/en/did-angela-merkel-approve-theresa-mays-brexit-plan-in-advance/a-44643799
That wouldn't surprise me in the least Sky, there is much scheming and conniving yet ahead I've no doubt.
This tells me it is a frosty meeting..
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/CQ-DXeTHN3M3SzXqG-qWYQ/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/J7mi3tWMS1OK3wqiJFUp_trump.JPG
Aktungbby
07-13-18, 10:49 AM
This tells me it is a frosty meeting..
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/CQ-DXeTHN3M3SzXqG-qWYQ/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/J7mi3tWMS1OK3wqiJFUp_trump.JPG >>>:har: http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/properties/danziger/art_images/cg5b4593beb2dc4.jpg (http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/store/add.php?iid=172839)
Catfish
07-13-18, 03:47 PM
^ lol
barrage balloon
Not long before those lazy sods at Westminster break up for their summer holiday's and I say don't bother coming back you shower. :O:
Jimbuna
07-14-18, 06:11 AM
Even the president of the United States now sees fit to weigh in on the Brexit path Theresa May is taking.
Donald Trump has said, amongst other things, that if the prime minister is successful in her plan - formalised on Thursday in a White Paper - then that would make a future trade deal with the US far less likely.
So how come key player Brussels remains so uncannily quiet about the paper?
Brussels badgered the UK for months and months and months about coming up with a detailed proposal on how it envisions the future EU-UK relationship after Brexit. Now they have it, surely they have an opinion about it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44816048
I wait with bated breath.
Catfish
07-14-18, 01:59 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44816048
I wait with bated breath.
You better don't :03:
When i read parts of it i immediately thought that this the same old english proposal of "having your cake and eat it" of some time ago. Certainly it will be read thoroughly.. and at least if all fails with the EU, you will instantly have humongously huge trade relations with the US.
Still, I hope this time some EU people react a bit smarter, and more benevolent (for my lack of a better word); time to reintroduce a bit of sanity in the current world.
Jimbuna
07-15-18, 08:36 AM
Donald Trump told Theresa May she should sue the EU rather than negotiate over Brexit, she has told the BBC.
The US president said on Friday at a joint press conference he had given her a suggestion - but she had found it too "brutal".
Asked by the BBC's Andrew Marr what it was he had said, she replied: "He told me I should sue the EU - not go into negotiations."
She defended her blueprint for Brexit and urged her critics to back it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44838028
Well, he would do, wouldn't he? :)
Catfish
07-15-18, 01:07 PM
^ and it would be tremendous :)
It looks like the visit has been entertaining.
Jimbuna
07-16-18, 02:38 PM
^ Probably only in his own imagination.
According to the radio Boris Johnson is going to step down as a MP and give a damning resignation speech against PM May. We shall see if this is true. :hmmm:
Get your popcorn ready for the last Punch & Judy PMQ's today before that lot sod off on their summer holiday's leaving the county in a mess.
The Grey man returns..
Sir John Major: May faces more 'hardline' rebels over Europe than I ever did - and they could spark an autumn electionhttp://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-17/sir-john-major-brexit-rebels-theresa-may/
I can not see it, the chance has passed when David Davis stepped down.
According to the radio Boris Johnson is going to step down as a MP and give a damning resignation speech against PM May. We shall see if this is true. :hmmm
UP DATE
It seems he is not stepping down as MP but a statement why he stepped down from the F.O.
Catfish
07-18-18, 07:37 AM
He does not look like such an expert, apart from being able to make it in the headlines regularly?
"Few at the Foreign Office will mourn his departure" (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/09/few-at-foreign-office-will-mourn-boris-johnsons-departure)
If England really wants its brexit, it better had someone with Johnson's opinion, but better expertise and stamina. For me it still looks as if he was put into this position as a chastisement, for running away after the referendum.
Well there are worse politicians, in Germany :03: (and in the USA)
Jimbuna
07-18-18, 10:16 AM
He does not look like such an expert, apart from being able to make it in the headlines regularly?
"Few at the Foreign Office will mourn his departure" (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/09/few-at-foreign-office-will-mourn-boris-johnsons-departure)
If England really wants its brexit, it better had someone with Johnson's opinion, but better expertise and stamina. For me it still looks as if he was put into this position as a chastisement, for running away after the referendum.
Well there are worse politicians, in Germany :03: (and in the USA)
True that :yep:
The next election is going to be interesting....
The Tories will take a beating and Labour are unlikely to do nearly as well as they did in the last one. Both are falling out of favor with many voters -But one of them will likely still 'win' by some narrow margin + forming a coalition.
If May is still leader there is little doubt in my mind that Labour will snatch a victory, While enthusiasm for Jezza has significantly dwindled. She has virtually no credibility left.
I can see alot of strong remainer Labour voters defecting to Lib Dems and Alot of hard brexiteer Con voters going back over to Ukip which seems to be coming back from the dead atm.
Boris is no fool, he is clever but his drawback is his attention span. He can not focus on the main issues for long before going out his way to pile more workload on his plate and get bored with that. Is Boris leadership material? No because of that fact how can he be.
Will PM May face a challenge this Aug/Sept? No because no one in their right mind wants the job and take the can for her mess.
Both Con and Lab are in big do-do, the Cons are in a right mess and Lab is living in cloud cuckoo land thinking they are going to sweep in to power. As i see it the Libs could be on the rise again and if Nigel stands for UKIP leadership again next March and wins this or so may see their rise again.
But there is always the voter like me who thinks we are screwed who ever wins so what is the point of voting for rubbish? I see no point voting for anyone at the moment they are all a wast of space, better off scrapping the whole bloody lot and starting a fresh.
Jimbuna
07-19-18, 08:34 AM
The UK's new Brexit secretary will hold his first talks with the EU's chief negotiator in Brussels later.
Dominic Raab was appointed when David Davis resigned in protest at Theresa May's plans for post-Brexit trade.
It now falls to Mr Raab - part of the winning Leave campaign in the 2016 EU referendum - to continue negotiations with the EU's Michel Barnier.
Their meeting comes as the European Commission is instructing other EU states to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44880968
I'm not sure I have much confidence in this guy either but let us give him a chance :hmmm:
Catfish
07-19-18, 08:58 AM
What is true is that Russia managed to succeed with two of its greatest foreign policy triumphs in quick succession, in 2016
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/the-british-russia-collusion-scandal-is-breaking-wide-open.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/world/europe/russia-britain-brexit-arron-banks.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/top-brexit-backer-passed-trump-team-info-to-russians.html
?
This has far reaching consequences, including a split of the western alliance. What they did not manage during the cold war, seems to work now. There was a cold war, after the classical cold war, but no one wants to see this.
Next they try to get back lost territory, test run accomplished with Crimea and eastern Ukraina.
Next, manoeuvre 'Zapad'.
Ok, this is all no need to think that Russia will physically invade the west anytime soon, but their kind of attacks have obviously changed. :hmmm:
Skybird
07-19-18, 09:12 AM
Catfish is right there. The less American influence in and ties to Europe, the more prone and vulnerable Europe is to Russian bullying and Russian moves to turn Europe into a Russian playground. Thats why Putin activated an old sleeper, Trump, and thats why he supports British politicians campaigning for Brexit.
Divide et impera at its best. And many people in the West and especially America still do not want to see it. :har:
The European Union has issued a 16-page document outlining the preparations that need to be made for Brexit. It includes advice on how countries, companies and individuals should prepare for the prospect of the UK leaving with "no deal" in place.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44887513
Panic, PM May is making a dogs dinner of Brexit. :eek:
Jeremy Corbyn will take action against a senior Labour MP who branded him an "anti-Semite" and a "racist" in a dramatic House of Commons clash.https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-to-take-action-against-mp-margaret-hodge-who-branded-him-an-anti-semite-11440743
Clearly this one is not going away any time soon.
Poor Jezza, learning the hard way that becoming a too extreme 'anti-bigot' will often just lead you right back to being a bigot. :)
Maybe not so 'poor'. Live by identity politics, die by identity politics. All that crap is going out of fashion anyway.
Jimbuna
07-20-18, 08:27 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44887513
Panic, PM May is making a dogs dinner of Brexit. :eek:
Brussels must be told that the prime minister's blueprint for future UK-EU relations is "the final offer", Commons leader Andrea Leadsom has said.
Mrs Leadsom told The House magazine the Chequers plan must be taken seriously or the EU risked a "no deal" Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44890199
I wonder if we're nearing the end game :hmmm:
Catfish
07-20-18, 03:34 PM
"A woman who was exposed to the nerve agent novichok in Amesbury, Wiltshire, has died in hospital. "
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/08/woman-exposed-to-nerve-agent-novichok-dies
"The package has been delivered"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/19/skripal-novichok-suspects-identified-cctv-cameras/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/11/russian-tv-thrown-salisbury-hospital-trying-undermine-spy-assassination/
Is there real evidence? Is the 'telegraph' a credible site?
How do you guard people against coming accidentally in contact with such stuff
I see the EU is not very happy with PM May's latest botched Brexit plans. How bad this will get only time will tell.
Is the 'telegraph' a credible site?
I don't think any news site is above 70% in being credible. As for the telegraph i would give it about 62%. It has slipped in the last few years heading towards the mass media in your face headlines that make you mad..sort of.
Andrea Leadsom 'told cabinet she hated Chequers deal'
The pro-Leave Commons leader's private comments, revealed in leaked minutes, are in stark contrast to her public statements.
Leaked minutes of Theresa May's Chequers summit two weeks ago reveal Andrea Leadsom said she "hated" the prime minister's Brexit compromise and claimed it betrayed the result of the EU referendum.https://news.sky.com/story/andrea-leadsom-told-cabinet-she-hated-chequers-deal-11444024
Another one who hated it but too weak to resign.
Jimbuna
07-21-18, 06:51 AM
Didn't someone say "We are all in this together"? :hmmm:
Didn't someone say "We are all in this together"? :hmmm:Dodgy Dave?
John Major: 'I think Theresa May will survive'
The former prime minister said a leadership election would be "absolutely absurd" whilst speaking on The Andrew Marr Show.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-44915461/john-major-i-think-theresa-may-will-survive
The Grey Man is right.
Dominic Raab: We can get Brexit deal done by Octoberhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44913982
I find that hard to believe.
Jimbuna
07-22-18, 07:43 AM
Dodgy Dave?
Correct :yep:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44913982
I find that hard to believe.
Not if their is a transparent willingness from both sides.
British reject May's Brexit plan, some turn to Boris and far right - pollhttps://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poll/british-reject-mays-brexit-plan-some-turn-to-boris-and-far-right-poll-idUKKBN1KC0ES
Bloody twonks, Boris is clever yes but his attention span is very short and you need some one to be focus on the task and Boris is not that person.
Jimbuna
07-23-18, 03:16 AM
YouGov spoke to 1,668 adults in Britain on July 19 and 20, according to The Sunday Times, which did not provide other details about how the poll was conducted.
Pretty sketchy :hmmm:
Catfish
07-23-18, 03:52 AM
^ sketchy.. i take it the pro/contra numbers are still around 50/50.
"Brexit campaigner Nigel Farage and U.S. President Donald Trump’s former adviser Steve Bannon are in discussions about forming a new right-wing movement, according to The Sunday Times."
Ah, why don't they go to Iran? Because democracy lets them do what they want?
So let's say the population is roughly divided (or 48/52, whatever) and the likes of Bannon, Farage and Johnson know that.
So they want to form a right-wing movement and influence people with the usual right-wing populistic crap, so more people want to leave and support their "movement". Has this much to do with democracy?
Or isn't this only to serve their ego, put them in the spotlight, and penetrating what they think is right?
Skybird
07-23-18, 10:17 AM
This all is what you get if you let every clueless Peter and Mary have his vote, and let every parasitical Susan and every career-horny Paul "do politics".
And since even the "leaders" are anything but failsafe in their judgements and often wreak havob with their decisions, the only consequence to be learned from this is that one needs not to allow politicians every bigger playgrounds to sunbath their formidable egos on, but that yiu need to cut their range dramatically so that the fallout of their faults remains to be limited, small and hopefully: managable.
This is oen oif the biggest arguments of mine why I totally reject constrzuciton like xcontinetal centlaised govenrments like the U wants to become. Becasue if the playground a potlicans fails in increases by a factor of 100, so does the seriousness of the bad consequences of his mistakes.
If it calls itself "politician" and makes politically commanding its model to make its living, damage control is the utmost priority to focus on. "Trust" is the one quality that should be thrown out of the window, first, before anything else, immediately.
Nobody should be allowed to ever serve more than two terms in an government office, in a party, in a parliament. After two legislation periods, everybody has to leave politics again, forever. Nobody should be allowed to make a living by being politically engaged. Serving in government, should be seen as a burden, not as a benefit to crave for.
And nobody should be allowed to vote in elections who has no own skin in the game, but just lives of the system, and of the others.
Ah, an ideal world... Its discouraging, depressing, how far away form it we are.
Jimbuna
07-23-18, 03:41 PM
Democracy at its finest :doh:
WE HAVE NO GOVERNMENT.....!!!!!
They are on holiday! Looks like we need to put Jim in charge. :)
A senior member of Labour's shadow cabinet has criticised the party's decision to launch a disciplinary inquiry into MP Dame Margaret Hodge.
Shadow defence secretary Nia Griffith said it was "completely absurd" and she felt it was unlikely to go ahead.
Dame Margaret could face possible disciplinary action for accusing Jeremy Corbyn of being an anti-Semite.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44954363
Old JC just can not get to grips with this or is he....:hmmm:
Jimbuna
07-26-18, 05:33 AM
I doubt the stains will ever be washed off.
I doubt the stains will ever be washed off.
Jewish newspapers unite against Labour 'threat'
The UK's three main Jewish newspapers have published the same front page, warning that a Jeremy Corbyn-led government would pose an "existential threat to Jewish life".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44957906
Wow a lot would leave the UK if old JC wins the next election. Once again this one returns to haunt JC.
Brexit: Barnier rules out key UK customs proposal
The EU's chief negotiator has ruled out allowing the UK to collect customs duties on its behalf, a key UK proposal for post-Brexit trade.
Michel Barnier said the UK wanted to "take back control" of its money, law and borders - but so did the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/44964521
More evidence to suggest Brexit is dead in the water as it stands. PM May get your arse back to Westminster along with the rest of you MP's we are facing a total sham and crash bang its all going to pot situation.
Prime Minister Theresa May is to hold Brexit talks with the Austrian chancellor on Friday before heading off on her summer holiday.
Mrs May will also attend a music festival in Salzburg as a guest of Chancellor Sebastian Kurz.
She is holding talks with Mr Kurz and Czech PM Andrej Babis as she seeks to win support for her proposals for the UK's future relationship with the EU.
But the EU's chief Brexit negotiator has rejected a key element of her plan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44975696
So what is the point? This women is a sham of a PM.
Boris is at it again...
Boris Johnson in call to ‘chuck Chequers’ as he renews assault on Theresa May’s Brexit plans
Boris Johnson has fired another broadside at Theresa May’s Brexit plans, branding them unworkable and calling on fellow Tory MPs to “chuck Chequers”.
The former foreign secretary – who walked out of the Cabinet days after signing up to the package at the Prime Minister’s country residence – said Mrs May’s blueprint would leave the UK in “vassalage, satrapy, colony status” to the EU.
http://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-26/johnson-in-call-to-chuck-chequers-as-he-renews-assault-on-mays-brexit-plans/
Jimbuna
07-27-18, 08:39 AM
Pro-Brexit Labour MP Kate Hoey has vowed to resist efforts to deselect her after her local party in Vauxhall passed a vote of no confidence in her.
The activists are calling on Labour to suspend her from the party and declare her ineligible to stand as a candidate.
They have accused her of "colluding" with UKIP's Nigel Farage and "propping up a failing government".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44979281
The madness from within is still rife apparently.
Catfish
07-27-18, 08:51 AM
^ As usual, the comments are the best :haha:
"This morning Sky News reported that Mrs May was going to Australia. Whilst I was busy thinking that Savid Javid had reintroduced transportation, it transpired she had only gone as far as Salzburg. What a disappointment!
For the next month or so we are going to see UK ministers up to their old game of trying divide and rule on the natives of Europe. I can't see it working somehow."
Jimbuna
07-27-18, 10:15 AM
It's all in the detail :03:
Catfish
07-28-18, 03:51 PM
John Cleese "I don't make jokes, i just point them out" :arrgh!:
I admit i had to listen to it two times to really understand what he means :03:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA
British public opinion has shifted sharply against Brexit, according to a new Sky Data poll.
The survey reveals:
:: The government is haemorrhaging trust regarding the Brexit negotiations
:: Two-thirds of the public - including a majority of Leave voters - now think the outcome of Brexit negotiations will be bad for Britain
:: A significant increase in the proportion who think Brexit will negatively affect themselves personally, the economy and the country overall
:: Most people would like to see a referendum asking between the deal suggested by the government, no deal, and remaining in the EU.
https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shifting-sharply-against-brexit-sky-data-poll-reveals-11453220
I knew PM May would botch it the second she delayed Article 50 for six months. Stand by for a massive mess next March as PM May orders the Army out on the streets. :doh: :ping: :o :wah:
That last bit about the Army is another story. :03:
Ian Austin: Labour MP faces action after anti-Semitism code rowhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44997634
And it rumbles on and on...
Catfish
07-30-18, 06:40 AM
Does "78% thinking the government is doing a bad job about brexit" mean they are also against brexit? Probably not.
Up jumps Nigel Farage, the saviour of the suppressed.
And Steve Bannon, if god does not help you.
Jimbuna
07-30-18, 10:25 AM
Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt mistakenly referred to his wife as Japanese during a visit to Beijing to discuss post-Brexit trade deals between the UK and China.
Mr Hunt's wife is actually Chinese.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-45005329/jeremy-hunt-gaffe-my-wife-is-japanese
:haha:
Does "78% thinking the government is doing a bad job about brexit" mean they are also against brexit?
I don't know about the poll but when this subject comes up on the radio I hear those who voted stay and leave both think its all gone to pot. Seems like both sides have something in common. :hmmm:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-45005329/jeremy-hunt-gaffe-my-wife-is-japanese
:haha:
What a prat..:yep:
Downing Street say there are no plans to use the Army to maintain food and other supplies in the event of the UK leaving the EU with no Brexit deal.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45007787
Dam right use the TA instead. :03: :D
Labour is facing growing calls to take action against an ally of Jeremy Corbyn after he was recorded criticising members of the Jewish community.
During a meeting of the ruling National Executive Committee, Peter Willsman suggested Jewish "Trump fanatics" were behind accusations of anti-Semitism in Labour ranks.
Mr Willsman also said he had never seen anti-Semitism in the party.
He has apologised and said not all his remarks were accurately reported.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45014771
Hey ding dong we all know what you said. :doh:
More proof Labour is barking mad and unfit to open a packet of crisps.
Jeremy Corbyn apologises over 2010 Holocaust eventhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45027582
Some what late in the day.
The government's official plan for the post-Brexit economy would leave a major dent in Britain's national income equivalent to about £500 a year per person, a leading think tank has warned.https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-mays-brexit-plan-would-cost-500-per-person-annually-11455638
Jim cancel the holiday the new credit crunch is on its way. All thanks to PM May Botch.
Catfish
08-01-18, 06:08 AM
Why is that such a big theme with this holocaust and/or nazi stuff?
It is quite simple and honest to say that Israel does a lot of things wrong, no need to swing the nazi club.
Am i personally responsible for what happened back then ? No.
Should we remember what happened before and during WW2 in Germany? Of course.
Shall we make sure that this never happens again? Absolutely.
Shall we therefore never criticize what Israel does today, because of the past? To me it seems like a cheap accusation to discredit Labour.
Jimbuna
08-01-18, 07:29 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-mays-brexit-plan-would-cost-500-per-person-annually-11455638
Jim cancel the holiday the new credit crunch is on its way. All thanks to PM May Botch.
Too late, already paid for.
Jimbuna
08-01-18, 07:29 AM
Shall we therefore never criticize what Israel does today, because of the past? To me it seems like a cheap accusation to discredit Labour.
Politics is usually a durty business.
Too late, already paid for.
PLAN-B REMAIN IN MEXICO.
Councils preparing for social unrest amid Brexit uncertainty
Local authorities are struggling to work out what they need to plan for after the UK leaves the EU, a Sky investigation finds.https://news.sky.com/story/councils-preparing-for-social-unrest-amid-brexit-uncertainty-11455918
It's all going to pot. :doh:
BREXIT MARCH 2019..:03:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0NPodmP3TU
Jimbuna
08-02-18, 08:46 AM
The Bank of England has raised the interest rate for only the second time in a decade.
The rate has risen by a quarter of a percentage point, from 0.5% to 0.75% - the highest level since March 2009.
The move will increase the interest costs of more than three-and-a-half million residential mortgages that have variable or tracker rates.
But it will be welcomed by savers, who could see a lift in their interest rates over the coming months.
However, after the last rate rise in November, half of savings accounts did not move at all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45043776
I don't expect to see much if any change in my saving accounts rates.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45043776
I don't expect to see much if any change in my saving accounts rates.
Hang on you were jumping for joy when they went up and now you are saying yea well and the rest.
The rest being the pound and stock markets and all the rest that are interlocked. Jim has woken up, watch out BoE jim is watching you. :03:
Jimbuna
08-04-18, 08:19 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45027582
Some what late in the day.
And later stil...
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has said "people who dish out anti-Semitic poison need to understand: you do not do it in my name".
In an article for the Guardian, he said anti-Semitism was a "real problem" that Labour was "working to overcome".
But he did not give in to demands to adopt all the examples of anti-Semitism cited by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA).
Critics in the Labour Party said the article had changed nothing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45058728
He is in charge he can end this mess but.....
What that but is place your bets.
Theresa May meets Emmanuel Macron to find way through Brexit impassehttps://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-meets-emmanuel-macron-to-find-way-through-brexit-impasse-11459769
And Macron probably said hard cheese you ding dong.
Labour's deputy leader warns his party may "disappear into a vortex of eternal shame" and render itself unfit to lead if it does not tackle anti-Semitism.
Tom Watson told the Observer (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/04/tom-watson-labour-antisemitism-eternal-shame) that Jeremy Corbyn should adopt all the examples in the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition.
He also called for internal inquiries into Jewish Labour MPs Margaret Hodge and Ian Austin to be dropped.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45073081
I suggest if you don't want to sort it out Jezzer then give it to your deputy leader to sort it out.
Liam Fox says the chance of a no-deal Brexit is growing, blaming the "intransigence" of the European Commission.
The international trade secretary and Brexiteer put the chance of failing to come to an agreement at "60-40".
He told the Sunday Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/liam-fox-says-there-is-a-6040-chance-of-no-dealbrexit-lpsgm2gdf) that Brussels' chief negotiator had dismissed the UK's Chequers proposals simply because "we have never done it before".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45073294
In out in out shake it all about and off to the pub we go..:03:
Catfish
08-05-18, 05:01 AM
Well this is hardly new.. England wants to leave but keep all the advantages the EU enjoys, but then "can't have your cake and eat it" and so forth. Either it accepts certain values or not. I wonder who is so "intransigent" here :03:
The 'new' proposal seems to be the same as the old proposal, so what does England expect.
On the other hand Trump will be pleased, and don't we all really want that. lol.
The 'new' proposal seems to be the same as the old proposal, so what does England expect.
FREE MONEY, BEER, CURRY AND POT NOODLE. :03:
That's what jim would say. :DL
Jimbuna
08-05-18, 07:11 AM
A no-deal is beginning to look increasingly likely.
Boris Blunder Number...I lost count.
Former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has been accused of Islamophobia after saying Muslim women wearing burkas "look like letter boxes".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45083275
Another nail in his if there is leadership challenge.
Meanwhile the Labour mess goes on as another moron is caught out on social media.
A member of Labour's National Policy Forum has been suspended from the party over an alleged anti-Semitic post.
George McManus said deputy leader Tom Watson had received "£50,000+ from Jewish donors," adding: "At least Judas only got 30 pieces of silver".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45086365
Jimbuna
08-06-18, 03:08 PM
Well as has been said for many a day noe......no deal, not a penny.
The Labour Party has dropped an investigation into MP Dame Margaret Hodge over a confrontation she had with leader Jeremy Corbyn.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45085682
As they should.
Jimbuna
08-07-18, 09:08 AM
Interesting if true but I hope they aren't claiming expenses for these 'perks'.
SENIOR Labour MPs have been holding secret away days at a luxury 12-acre holiday estate in Sussex to make plans to oust Jeremy Corbyn.
The group would catch the 7.18pm train from Waterloo East on a Thursday evening to Stonegate before taking a seven-minute taxi ride to the luxury bed and breakfast estate Fair Oak Farm in Sussex.
The £144 for one night accommodation on a 12-acre site is set within wonderful gardens accommodation includes a stunning Grade II Listed Sussex farmhouse built around 1600.
It was claimed attendees at the events included former leadership candidate Liz Kendall, former shadow cabinet members Chuka Umunna and Chris Leslie, and other senior MPs Stephen Kinnock and Gavin Shuker.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/999804/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-coup-brexit-antisemitism
Jimbuna
08-07-18, 09:16 AM
Will he or won't he?
Conservative chairman Brandon Lewis has asked Boris Johnson to apologise for saying Muslim women wearing burkas "look like letter boxes".
Mr Johnson said full-face veils should not be banned but looked "ridiculous".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45096519
Old JC has that dreadful movement backing him so i see no chance of removing him. As for Boris the only thing they can do is to deselect him at the next GE if he will not say sorry.
The pressure on Boris goes up..
Boris Johnson should be kicked out of the Conservative Party for his remarks about the burka, a Muslim peer says.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45107089
Interesting to note this was debated on the radio last night and all muslim women rang in saying they were moderates had no real issue with Boris making that remark. Some men as well just looked at it being stupid and nothing more, of course a couple of hard liners rang in having ago at everyone who is not like them.
As for Boris yes he made a crass comment but i have heard these sorts of comments before so there is nothing really new here.
Jimbuna
08-08-18, 08:06 AM
Should blow over in a couple of days I suspect but if not then he's certainly in a bit of trouble.
Should blow over in a couple of days I suspect but if not then he's certainly in a bit of trouble. I don't know how many in the party hate Boris and want him gone but the grass roots members love him and they are the voters. This puts PM May in the hot seat.
Jimbuna
08-09-18, 05:06 AM
Oh I agree, she's too weak atm to lose the support of those who support Boris and he knows that very well, hence his childlike antics.
>>>BREAKING NEWS<<<
Boris Johnson is facing a possible investigation into breaches of the Conservative Party code of conduct.
The party has received a number of complaints about the former foreign secretary's comments about women wearing burkas, who he said looked like letter boxes.
The complaints will be looked at by an independent panel.
A Conservative Party spokesman said: "The code of conduct process is strictly confidential."
Mr Johnson has rejected calls to apologise for his remarks, in a Daily Telegraph column opposing a ban on full face veils.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45130532
There is some talk if Boris is expelled from the Conservative party he and a few others would set up a new right wing party taking a heck of a lot of grass roots tory voters with them. I feel this is some what a hear say story with no real proof.
Jimbuna
08-09-18, 06:42 AM
Much will depend on whether Boris and his followers are willing to risk the downfall of a Tory government and therefore allowing the 'unelectable' one to take the keys to no 10.
Nope, I think at best we would see a leadership challenge against May.....IIrc it would only take forty signatures to set the wheels in motion.
Skybird
08-10-18, 03:18 AM
May-Day on the Johnson atoll? :D
Jimbuna
08-10-18, 06:29 AM
https://i.imgur.com/vboXbeM.jpg
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.330968397.4018/ap,550x550,16x12,1,transparent,t.u2.png
Boris Johnson has been defended by comedian Rowan Atkinson following his recent comments about burkas.
The actor, best known for playing Mr Bean and Blackadder, described the remarks as funny.
The former foreign secretary has also won the support of ex-cabinet minister Andrew Mitchell, who called the comments "colourful" but not against the law.https://news.sky.com/story/rowan-atkinson-among-those-leaping-to-boris-johnsons-defence-over-burka-comments-11468114
Has PM May got the guts to answer the....BLACKADDER. :hmmm: :03:
Jimbuna
08-11-18, 07:13 AM
A Conservative Party investigation into Boris Johnson is a "show trial" and is being used to stop him becoming leader, Jacob Rees-Mogg has claimed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45153483
Well, he would, wouldn't he?
Probably been promised the deputy PM's job by his mate Boris.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45153483
Well, he would, wouldn't he?
Probably been promised the deputy PM's job by his mate Boris.
I can not see any challenge to May before the election on the grounds no one wants to take the can for the brexit mess. Boris has a dreadful attention span which makes him unfit to become leader. OK the Tory party members may appoint him leader but I can not see the country trusting him as PM on his own. Like JC I would say both would have to form a coalition with another party.
https://s.faketrumptweet.com/jkperac8_1c1aiqj_8nrn62.png
As a swing voter i look at Cons/Lab and all i see is both are falling apart from internal wars about this and that. Both are bloody awful so what of the Libs, the Libs who are they? Oh wait i remember them sort of didn't they vanish into the woods smoking pot...Groovy baby. :|\\
British politics is without question sinking. :lost:
Punishing Boris Johnson risks 'open warfare' - Conservative MP
There will be "open warfare" in the Conservative Party if Boris Johnson is severely disciplined over his burka comments, an MP has said.
Tory MP Andrew Bridgen, a supporter of Mr Johnson, issued the warning in the event the former foreign secretary is suspended in such a way that he cannot not take part in a future leadership contest.
But Mr Bridgen told the Sunday Express: "If Boris is suspended it will be open warfare in the Conservative Party.
"If Theresa May dares engineer a leadership contest while Boris is suspended it will be World War Three."https://news.sky.com/story/punishing-boris-johnson-risks-open-warfare-conservative-mp-11470683
PM May is crap and she knows it but she is not suicidal letting Jezzer in while the side door.
Jimbuna
08-12-18, 09:04 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/punishing-boris-johnson-risks-open-warfare-conservative-mp-11470683
PM May is crap and she knows it but she is not suicidal letting Jezzer in while the side door.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2564424&postcount=8120
Jimbuna
08-12-18, 09:05 AM
Christine Hamilton has been removed as a charity ambassador after comparing burkas to the hoods of the Ku Klux Klan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45160466
Next...
Israel's PM has criticised Jeremy Corbyn over his presence at a ceremony said to have honoured the perpetrators of the 1972 Munich terror attack.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45170622
Jezzer's past is now catching up on him.
Jimbuna
08-14-18, 08:06 AM
How young and old would vote on Brexit now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45098550
https://i.imgur.com/vpzuEJA.png
The widow of one of the victims of the Munich Olympics terror attack has accused Jeremy Corbyn of hypocrisy and has demanded he apologise.https://news.sky.com/story/munich-attack-widow-jeremy-corbyn-must-apologise-for-laying-wreath-11472972
AND ON IT GOES...
If anyone thinks this will bring down Jezzer think again.
Jimbuna
08-15-18, 08:44 AM
Jeremy Corbyn will not apologise over Tunisia wreath row.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45185931
The keys to no10 have moved even further out of his reach.
The Scottish Bruiser is back!
Gordon Brown: Jeremy Corbyn has got to change
Gordon Brown has said Jeremy Corbyn “has got to change” to address concerns over anti-Semitism in the Labour party.
The former prime minister said the issue was a “running sore” that had to be dealt with immediately because it was “simply wrong”.
http://www.itv.com/news/2018-08-15/gordon-brown-jeremy-corbyn-has-got-to-change/
Jim may get worried about this..
Brexit could have 'hugely damaging' effect on football clubs, say chairmen
Burnley chairman Mike Garlick says uncertainty over a deal with the European Union is already making it harder for clubs to sign players.
Stoke chairman Peter Coates added that the Premier League could be hit by freedom-of-movement restrictions.
"The destructive Brexit path being pursued by the government threatens to have a hugely damaging effect on clubs across the country," said Garlick.
"It threatens to make the widening inequality gap in our top division even worse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45206066
Jimbuna
08-16-18, 07:07 AM
Heaven forbid it should give British born footballers a better chance of playing football.
Heaven forbid it should give British born footballers a better chance of playing football.
Great answer Jim, send that to Garlick & Coats. :) :up:
Jimbuna
08-17-18, 05:42 AM
Jeremy Hunt has clarified his comments about a no-deal Brexit, saying Britain "would survive and prosper" - but it would be a "big mistake for Europe".
On Thursday he told ITV News a "messy" no-deal Brexit "would be a mistake we would regret for generations".
But he later tweeted that his words "should not be misrepresented" and the UK would only "sign up to a deal that respects the referendum result".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45216061
Make your mind up Jeremy :hmmm:
Rules around e-cigarettes should be relaxed so they can be more widely used and accepted in society, says a report by MPs.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45212444
Sod the so called evidence I hate that crap blown in my direction more so from vaping. I hate people vaping its like the industrial revolution walking pass these people who do not care if they blow that crap in my direction. I say no keep them off buses after all no food or drink are allowed and some bus company go further telling people to keep their music down.
Brexit: Nigel Farage to go 'on the road' with Leave group
Nigel Farage has said he is going "back on the road" to campaign against the prime minister's Brexit plan.
In the Daily Telegraph, the UKIP MEP said Theresa May's Chequers agreement was a "sell-out" as it included regulatory alignment with the EU.
He wrote he would join pro-Brexit group Leave Means Leave at UK public events.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45229426
To late face facts remain won end of, all the polls now show a swing back to remain if the whole thing was run again they would clearly win the vote. The whole thing was designed to suggest we are leaving when clearly we are not. I would have not bothered voting in that fix if I knew back then the whole thing was a con job.
A Labour MP has accused Dame Margaret Hodge of making "absurd" and "hyperbolic" criticisms of the party over its handling of anti-Semitism.
Chris Williamson, a close ally of Jeremy Corbyn and former member of the Labour leader's shadow cabinet, accused the Jewish MP of "casting aspersions against veteran anti-racists".
He added many Jewish people had got in touch to say her comments were "abhorrent", a "disgrace" and "had no place in the political discourse".https://news.sky.com/story/labour-anti-semitism-row-corbyn-ally-brands-hodges-complaints-absurd-and-hyperbolic-11475129
Prove it.
Jimbuna
08-18-18, 05:35 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-anti-semitism-row-corbyn-ally-brands-hodges-complaints-absurd-and-hyperbolic-11475129
Prove it.
Chris Williamson, a close ally of Jeremy Corbyn
Says it all for me.
Jimbuna
08-18-18, 05:36 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45229426
To late face facts remain won end of, all the polls now show a swing back to remain if the whole thing was run again they would clearly win the vote. The whole thing was designed to suggest we are leaving when clearly we are not. I would have not bothered voting in that fix if I knew back then the whole thing was a con job.
I still believe we will leave.
Jimbuna
08-18-18, 05:37 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45212444
Sod the so called evidence I hate that crap blown in my direction more so from vaping. I hate people vaping its like the industrial revolution walking pass these people who do not care if they blow that crap in my direction. I say no keep them off buses after all no food or drink are allowed and some bus company go further telling people to keep their music down.
We can certainly agree on that :yep:
Ex-UKIP leader Bolton 'can't register new party due to name clash with Islamic charity'
One Nation cannot be formally registered because it shares its name with an Islamic relief charity, according to a report.
The new political party launched by former UKIP leader Henry Bolton cannot be formally registered with the Electoral Commission because it shares its name with an Islamic relief charity, according to a report.
https://news.sky.com/story/ex-ukip-leader-bolton-cant-register-new-party-due-to-name-clash-with-islamic-charity-11475222
Oh my not off to a good start. :doh:
http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/poster.php?line1=Theresa+May+is+clearly+unfit+to+r emain+Prime+Minister+of+the+UK.&line2=I+urge+you+to+vote+for+Jeremy+Corbyn+who+cle arly+is+a+good+solid+right+wing+leader.&logo1=VOTE&logo2=LABOUR&logo3=2020&tagline1=The+Conservatives+are+wet+liberals+not+wo rth+voting+for%2C+vote+labour+for+a+strong+UK&size=3
BREXIT SHOCK: 100 Tories to rebel against May deal as Brexiteers fight backhttps://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1005292/Theresa-May-facing-Brexit-rebellion-100-Tory-MP-Brexiteers
And pigs will fly. :har: :har: :har: :har:
No-deal Brexit will be 'catastrophe' for NHS and increase risk from deadly pandemics, BMA warns
Exclusive: Doctors have a duty to set out the harm of crashing out of the EU and this is not scaremongering, union says
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-no-deal-nhs-pandemic-bma-final-say-voters-referendum-a8493221.html
I give up. :rolleyes::roll:
Jimbuna
08-19-18, 07:33 AM
Brexit vote campaign gets £1m from Superdry co-founder
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45235655
This guy must have money to burn.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45235655
This guy must have money to burn.
Better off giving it to homeless people to help them to get back up and running.
A joke about being fired from a Job Centre was named the funniest at this year's Edinburgh Festival Fringe https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/a-joke-about-being-fired-from-a-job-centre-was-named-the-funniest-at-this-years-edinburgh-festival-fringe/ar-BBM91tR?OCID=ansmsnnews11
"Working at the JobCentre has to be a tense job - knowing that if you get fired, you still have to come in the next day" - Adam Rowe
Ding bat, the rules a few years ago were you could not claim for six months as it was your fault. I suspect the rules are still the same, as for tense job what a load of rubbish try faceless wonders or robots.
I have seen better jokes come out of a Xmas cracker. :O:
Jimbuna
08-21-18, 05:18 AM
It's actually quite a good one in my estimation as were a few other contenders.
Jimbuna
08-21-18, 05:22 AM
Jeremy Corbyn has condemned comments about the Jewish community allegedly made by a former Scottish Labour MP.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45244081
Looks like the hypocrite is seizing the opportunity to try and win back some credibility.
Jimbuna
08-22-18, 08:25 AM
At-a-glance: The UK's four Brexit options.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44858385
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45244081
Looks like the hypocrite is seizing the opportunity to try and win back some credibility.
I was not aware he had any. :03:
Must have bought some off eBay. :03: :haha:
At-a-glance: The UK's four Brexit options.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44858385
Leave with a deal
30% and falling the way it seems to be going.
Leave without a deal
70% and rising the way it seems to be going.
Stay in the EU
??% how much via the back door hard to tell. It will probably will only come to light six months to a year.
Hold another referendum
50% as this could go ether way, lots of talk there will be but no action as yet.
The Dead prop up the Tories more than the living! :o
Bequests to Tories twice as large as income from members
The Conservatives received twice as much money last year from the wills of deceased supporters than it did from living members, new figures reveal.
Legacy payments totalled £1.69m while membership fees contributed £835,000, according to the party's 2017 accounts.
Among the bequests the party received was £582,358 from German-born Gerda Winder, who died aged 86 last year.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45271284
Jimbuna
08-23-18, 05:20 AM
Hold another referendum
50% as this could go ether way, lots of talk there will be but no action as yet.
I could imagine mass riots on the streets nationwide should that come about.
Jimbuna
08-23-18, 05:21 AM
The Dead prop up the Tories more than the living! :o
They're certainly getting zilch from me.
They're certainly getting zilch from me.
Oh go on after all....
Corbyn reported to MP standards watchdog over Zionist comment
The Conservatives have reported the Labour leader over the 2013 comments, arguing they bring parliament into disrepute.
https://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-reported-to-mp-standards-watchdog-over-zionist-comment-11481350
Jimbuna
08-25-18, 08:56 AM
The grassroots group Momentum - set up to support Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party - looks set to begin a consultation of its members on its Brexit stance, ahead of the party's conference in Liverpool next month.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45300521
This could prove 'interesting' :hmmm:
Jimbuna
08-25-18, 08:58 AM
A newspaper has published details of one of the complaints of sexual harassment made against Alex Salmond.
The Daily Record claims to have seen the wording of an allegation by a Scottish government staff member.
She alleges the former first minister touched her bottom and breasts through her clothing while she was alone with him at Bute House, the paper reports.
Mr Salmond strenuously denies the claims and insists he has never sexually harassed anyone.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45307158
Could this slippery fish have been finally caught out of the water? :hmmm:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45300521
This could prove 'interesting' :hmmm:
Momentum is slowly taking control, question is will they have more power than the days of the unions controlling labour?
Jimbuna
08-26-18, 09:09 AM
I very much doubt it because they will never be able to match the numbers of people with that of trade union membership.
The Liberal Democrat's Sir Vince Cable is to announce a shake-up of the party's rules, in a move that could see someone who is not an MP become leader.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45313399
What is this fruitcake on? Lets say the LibDems win the next general election are they going to tell the voters your next PM is unelected?
Yes i know the chance is good as zero but lets just say this did happen. I for one would be saying no you don't.
Jimbuna
08-27-18, 06:51 AM
A party leader is not an automatic MP or vice versa.
Nigel Farage is an earlier example.
The People's Vote campaign, which wants a new referendum on Brexit, is attempting to change Labour Party policy, according to a leaked memo.
It wants MPs and activists to submit a motion at the Labour conference next month, committing the party to backing a new referendum on the final deal.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45316697
Roll on next March I'm bored with Brexit. Everyone is jumping on this one, only today i was reading the BBC News the Grand National could be hit by Brexit! What bloody next the British weather could suffer from Brexit! :doh: :doh:
Jimbuna
08-27-18, 07:55 AM
Jeremy will not be pleased.
Jimbuna
08-27-18, 07:58 AM
Nicola Sturgeon has said there is "no legal basis" to suspend Alex Salmond from the SNP amid allegations of sexual harassment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45315001
Can't say I'm surprised by her statement.
Electric shock collars for cats and dogs will be banned in England, the government has announced.
The training devices deliver up to 6,000 volts of electricity or spray noxious chemicals to control animals' behaviour.
Environment secretary Michael Gove said this causes unacceptable "harm and suffering".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45320038
And about bloody time, bloody barbaric thing should never had been allowed in the first place.
Jimbuna
08-28-18, 04:10 AM
Agree with the ban but I'd be thinking about using them on human offenders (insert type of crime here).
Theresa May pledges Africa investment boost after Brexithttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45325701
And we get to buy spears and shields, i got my order in ready for the riots to come next year. :03:
Jimbuna
08-28-18, 01:35 PM
A former chief rabbi says Jeremy Corbyn's comments about British Zionists are the "most offensive statement" by a politician since Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech.
In an interview with the New Statesman, Lord Sacks accused the Labour leader of being an "anti-Semite".
A video from 2013 of Mr Corbyn accusing British Zionists of having "no sense of English irony" emerged last week.
A Labour Party spokesman called Lord Sacks's comment "absurd and offensive".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45333268
On the contrary, I would say it is Corbyns comments that are "absurd and offensive".
There was a time MP's would step down knowing their career was over for making offensive comments. Clearly those days are over, this has been dragging on for months and still Jezzer sits on the Labour throne.
FRANCE DECLARES WAR ON UNITED KINGDOM!
Scallop war: French and British boats clash in Channel
French and British fishermen have clashed in the English Channel in an escalating battle over scallops.
About 40 French boats tried to stop five larger British boats from fishing 12 nautical miles (22km) off the Normandy coast, in the Bay of Seine.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45337091
Where is our PM, this is a crises and she's dancing in Africa! :ping:
Jimbuna
08-29-18, 08:24 AM
It's hardly the Cod War.
Jimbuna
08-29-18, 08:30 AM
Peers question Raab on Brexit negotiations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-45345056
It's hardly the Cod War.
Send in the RN. :03:
Oh forget that we have no real Navy any more, most ships are in port needing repairs and upgrades. Surrender to the French is the only option unless PM May comes up with a great idea.
Peers question Raab on Brexit negotiations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-45345056
Hope they got plenty of towels, he sweats like a pig. :03:
Jimbuna
08-29-18, 09:24 AM
Hope they got plenty of towels, he sweats like a pig. :03:
You'd know that from personal intimacy would you? :haha:
You'd know that from personal intimacy would you? :haha:
No, did you see him on the news? Man he was sweating like a pig due to all those Brexit porkies he came out with.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6098767/BLACK-DOG-Sweaty-Brexit-Secretary-Dominic-Raab-feels-heat.html
Jimbuna
08-29-18, 09:55 AM
TBH I have little to no time for the man...just another yes man.
TBH I have little to no time for the man...just another yes man.
Woohoo, jim's got more time for me. :DL
Jim's going on my Xmas card list. :)
Will Mayor Sadiq Khan allow another blimp?
Sadiq Khan blimp to fly over London one month after Donald Trump balloon stunthttps://news.sky.com/story/sadiq-khan-blimp-to-fly-over-london-one-month-after-donald-trump-balloon-stunt-11485378
Tim Farron tells pro-EU MPs to 'grow a flipping backbone' and form new partyhttps://news.sky.com/story/tim-farron-tells-pro-eu-labour-and-tory-mps-to-grow-a-flipping-backbone-and-form-new-party-11484824
Cleaver, divide and conquer Lab/Cons and pick up more votes. Are the LibDems on the rise again? Only time will tell. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
08-30-18, 07:53 AM
Will Mayor Sadiq Khan allow another blimp?
https://news.sky.com/story/sadiq-khan-blimp-to-fly-over-london-one-month-after-donald-trump-balloon-stunt-11485378
Heaven preserve us.
Heaven preserve us.
If he bans this one of himself he will go down as the biggest hypocrite Mayor of all time.
Jimbuna
08-30-18, 07:57 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/tim-farron-tells-pro-eu-labour-and-tory-mps-to-grow-a-flipping-backbone-and-form-new-party-11484824
Cleaver, divide and conquer Lab/Cons and pick up more votes. Are the LibDems on the rise again? Only time will tell. :hmmm:
He said: "I'm at the stage now ... I'd be content for my children's future if the Labour Party just sorted its act out, got a decent electable leader and gave the country an alternative."
Yeah, sure.
Jimbuna
08-30-18, 07:59 AM
Nicola Sturgeon's 'huge sadness' as Alex Salmond resigns
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45350594
Crocodile tears.
Yeah, sure.
He has a good point but we all know Jezzer will not give up or be toppled from his throne any time soon.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45350594
Crocodile tears.
Dam right, she is against him for appearing on his own show on RT News.
Jimbuna
08-30-18, 08:02 AM
Precisely.
Veteran Labour MP Frank Field has quit the party's group in Parliament, saying the leadership has become "a force for anti-Semitism in British politics".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45359009
Jezzer must be bored with this one.
Mr Field, a Eurosceptic who is among a handful of Labour MPs to back the government in some Brexit votes, says he will remain as a member of the party but will sit as an independent Labour MP, who will not be subject to the parliamentary party's disciplinary procedures. Just leave and be done with it.
Jimbuna
08-31-18, 06:57 AM
This won't bother Corbyn because it will be an opportunity for another member of Momentum to get a seat at the next election.
This won't bother Corbyn because it will be an opportunity for another member of Momentum to get a seat at the next election.
I agree jim, but Frank can not have it half and half. He goes back to being a whip or step down and call it a day. As for Momentum they really disgust me they are full of hate.
Former Labour home secretary Lord Blunkett has said the resignation of veteran MP Frank Field must be seen as a "catalyst for seismic change".
Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Lord Blunkett called for a rethink of the "so-called Corbyn project".
Mr Field quit the Labour group at Westminster over the party's handling of anti-Semitism allegations and what he called a "culture of nastiness".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45381117
Corbyn with Momentum have taken the Labour party back to the bad old days but this time more vile and twisted.
No doubt Corbyn's gang will say Blunkett is the past and we are the future.
Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has revealed he is "worried and saddened" about the prospect of the Labour Party splitting over the anti-Semitism row.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45382486
I can not see it.
The granddaughter of Tony Benn has said she is considering leaving Labour following online trolling over her stance on anti-Semitism in the party.https://news.sky.com/story/emily-benn-threatens-to-quit-labour-party-over-trolls-11487445
I think she should leave, the vile element in Labour are showing signs they are out of control.
Jimbuna
09-02-18, 05:43 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45381117
Corbyn with Momentum have taken the Labour party back to the bad old days but this time more vile and twisted.
No doubt Corbyn's gang will say Blunkett is the past and we are the future.
Blunkett and the word 'seen' just don't go well together :)
Jimbuna
09-02-18, 05:44 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45382486
I can not see it.
Now that I wouldn't mind seeing.
Jimbuna
09-02-18, 05:44 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/emily-benn-threatens-to-quit-labour-party-over-trolls-11487445
I think she should leave, the vile element in Labour are showing signs they are out of control.
The tail has been wagging the dog since Corbyn took over but who removed the dogs muzzle?
Gordon Brown has said the Labour party must adopt the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism in full, saying it would be a "stain removed".https://news.sky.com/story/gordon-brown-says-adopting-full-anti-semitism-definition-will-remove-stain-11488590
That's only part of the problem King Jezzer is the other.
Theresa May has said that "giving in" to calls for a second referendum on the final terms of the UK's withdrawal from the EU would be "a gross betrayal of our democracy".
The Prime Minister dismissed calls from the People's Vote, a cross-party group that includes several high-profile figures and MPs, for a second Brexit vote.https://news.sky.com/story/pm-slams-call-for-second-brexit-referendum-as-betrayal-of-trust-11488381
That will not stop them, in fact it could make them step up the pressure even more.
The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has said he is "strongly" opposed to key parts of Theresa May's proposals for a future trade deal.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45389610
Theresa May has insisted she will not be forced into watering down her Brexit plan during negotiations with the EU.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45385421
Holiday is over back to the war of words.
Stop farting around and just get on with it. Bloody politicians, no wonder our planet is a bloody mess.
Jimbuna
09-03-18, 02:10 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/gordon-brown-says-adopting-full-anti-semitism-definition-will-remove-stain-11488590
That's only part of the problem King Jezzer is the other.
Nope, not now...
Margaret Hodge now says Labour adopting IHRA definition will ‘not be enough’ to solve antisemitism row
https://evolvepolitics.com/margaret-hodge-now-says-labour-adopting-ihra-definition-will-not-be-enough-to-solve-antisemitism-row/
Jimbuna
09-03-18, 02:11 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/pm-slams-call-for-second-brexit-referendum-as-betrayal-of-trust-11488381
That will not stop them, in fact it could make them step up the pressure even more.
How many further referendums?
Keep on having them until they get the outcome they desire?
Jimbuna
09-03-18, 02:15 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45389610
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45385421
Holiday is over back to the war of words.
Stop farting around and just get on with it. Bloody politicians, no wonder our planet is a bloody mess.
They negotiate a deal or get no money, telling overseas car manufacturers they will be limited to the number of British made parts they can put into a new build car smacks of a nanny state keeping a tight grip of everything they can keep control of.
Do a Trump on them I say and hit them tariff for tariff....they export more to the UK than we do to the EU.
How many further referendums?
Keep on having them until they get the outcome they desire?
They want a Ireland..Leave...No wait re-run...stay.....result. :) :03:
PM May must hold firm on this one as they will ratchet it up.
Jimbuna
09-04-18, 07:12 AM
They want a Ireland..Leave...No wait re-run...stay.....result. :) :03:
PM May must hold firm on this one as they will ratchet it up.
I'm still hoping a sensible deal will be agreed upon but failing that, a no deal brexit will be acceptable because the democratic will of the people must be respected.
Catfish
09-04-18, 12:20 PM
I'm still hoping a sensible deal will be agreed upon but failing that, a no deal brexit will be acceptable because the democratic will of the people must be respected.
If the democratic will of most of the people would really be be respected you would pobably wonder what happens next..
Jimbuna
09-04-18, 01:16 PM
If the democratic will of most of the people would really be be respected you would pobably wonder what happens next..
Not sure what you mean.....the referendum took place, the votes were counted and a majority voted to leave.
Catfish
09-05-18, 07:30 AM
^ yes, it is so easy. A referendum that was generously allowed to happen.. next please then be Scotland and Ireland, regarding their future relation to England. As you said the will of the people(s) shall always be asked for, and respected. Allowing this referendum but not another is perfectly democratic?
Next: Boaty McBoatface lol
It seems a lot of people did not vote for or against brexit, they did not vote at all for whatever reason. A lot of people realised too late what they missed. Maybe there should be a certain number of percentage be necessary and requested to 'vote' as a real majority, for far reaching decisions like that.
Another idea would be the changing will of the people over time, and be asked once more when they realise they have been betrayed by wrong numbers or propaganda.. or been hit by a bus.
"Democracy was not served:
Firstly, David Cameron used the promise of a referendum in order to pacify the eurosceptic section of his party and stop any more defections to UKIP before the General Election. This referendum was NOT about the best interests of the country, but about him gaining an advantage at the election. So that's abuse number 1.
Secondly, the British public were not asked to make up their minds on the basis of sane, rational argument and a full presentation of the facts. Both the Remain side and the Leave side ran appalling campaigns, with George Osborne promising a ‘ punishment budget’ if we left and Johnson and Gove making ridiculous promises that amounted to outright lies. The level of our public discourse sank so low that Boris even compared the EU to Hitler. A hardworking and principled MP was murdered in the street. And as soon as the Leave result was announced, it became clear that nobody, least of all those who had campaigned so hard for it, had the faintest idea what to do next."
And they do not have an idea now.
Jimbuna
09-05-18, 07:36 AM
Parliament (the democratically elected representatives of the people) are sovereign in/on this matter and will have the final say.
I don't see a problem in that.
Catfish
09-06-18, 05:53 AM
Some minds are changing.. A new constituency-by-constituency model by data scientists at Focaldata, which uses new YouGov polling, has found that 14 Welsh constituencies swung from Leave to Remain this year, putting Wales firmly in the pro-EU camp.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/brexit-swansea-leave-voting-turns-against-brexit-remain
It is not only a UK problem of course, lots of companies and industry do not know where to invest now, and where. Sure it will not be the UK, but it also is not necessarily the EU. Seems like a real win for all :yeah:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-conservatives-theresa-may-plan-deal-draft-job-losses-eu-chequers-cabinet-a8433241.html
:nope:
Skybird
09-06-18, 07:38 AM
There need to be rules. One cannot let the crod vote again and again untiul one has the vote one wants to see. You can repeat votings, yes. But such important stuff should not be repeated after just 18 months. Once in a generation or so is more to my idea.
We should not want to have "we cnaged our minds" and "we did not know what we did" and "last time we did niot care this time we do" be a valid arugment to just bypass the very idea of decision finding by majority vote.
The voting process has spoken. Now let the result be felt.
Alternative: have campaigning special interests groups taking over, declaring the meaning of votings as "pointless". Be careful what you wish for - and that aims at both pro and contra Brexit campaigners.
Hm. I just have this image on my mind, a sprinter at the Olympic finals saying: "I got out of the block quite late, could be repeat the race, please?"
Catfish
09-06-18, 08:21 AM
Question is whether such far-reaching polls changing the constitution should be organised for obviously uninformed people. What about a referendum about the further existence of the Royals and the Kingdom, about the House of Lords, about defense spending or the death penalty? Or a referendum for higher loans? Populistic and short-sighted referendums will always pass.
If the same people decide in five years that it is all a mess, will you forbid them to vote and change things again? Who decides when to vote in a referendum uncoupled from regular elections, and when to vote again?
China is gloating about brexit, Trump and all the MiniTrumps popping up in the 'EU', turning efforts, achievements and proven values into disarray. Then Romania, Hungary, Poland's PiS party abolishing democracy, Turkey. No own propaganda could have been better to justify their dictatorship, or Erdoghan's. A quarreling Europe (including the UK) and the current USA are their wet dream.
Jimbuna
09-06-18, 10:06 AM
The Northern Ireland Secretary is to cut Stormont Assembly members' pay.
Northern Ireland has been without an executive since January 2017 after a bitter row between the governing parties, the DUP and Sinn Féin.
Karen Bradley has also ruled out calling a fresh Assembly election and she is to bring forward legislation to allow civil servants to make decisions in the absence of devolution.
MLA pay will fall in November from £49,500 to £35,888.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45434415
If the buggers don't come to their senses I'd be stopping their pay altogether until they returned to work.
Jimbuna
09-07-18, 07:51 AM
Always sad to hear of marriages falling apart. The couple have been married for 25 years and have four children.
Former foreign secretary Boris Johnson and his wife Marina Wheeler have confirmed they have separated.
In a joint statement, they said they are now in the process of divorcing, after the Sun newspaper broke the news of their split.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45446254
Jimbuna
09-07-18, 07:55 AM
Not often the lying king speaks sense but I reckon he does here.
Tony Blair says he is "not sure it is possible" for Labour "moderates" to take the party back from the left.
The former Labour leader told the BBC's Nick Robinson Labour had been through a "profound change" under Jeremy Corbyn.
"It is a different type of Labour Party. Can it be taken back? I don't know," he said.
Mr Corbyn responded: "I think Tony should recognise that party membership is now much bigger than it has ever been."
Asked about his predecessor's comments, the Labour leader added: "I've been in the Labour Party all my life. I am a socialist. I am determined to see a fairer and more equal society.
"That's what the Labour Party exists for. We're there for human rights. We're there for social justice. We're there for the future of the people of this country.
"It's not personal, it's about us as a movement. That's why we were founded. That's why the party is so big. And that's why I'm so confident that we are continually challenging this government and we will win a general election."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45438855
Today's news has reinforced my belief voting is a wast of time.
I don't like Tony Blair but I do agree with him that Labour can not be saved while Jezzer is king. I also see that Norris women in the Tories calling for Boris to take over, you must be joking Boris is cleaver but his attention span is so small it would fit on a pin head. And finally the loony tree hugging smoke dope party known as the LibDems are still in the woods.
I would not wast any time voting for these lot and any of the smaller party's. Unit I see a party fit to vote for but I got more chance spotting a flying pig.
Two Labour MPs who lost no-confidence votes among local party members have told constituents they will not quit.
Former minister Joan Ryan, MP for Enfield North, blamed the 94-92 vote defeat on "Trots, Stalinists, Communists and assorted hard-left".
Luton South MP Gavin Shuker said he was "sorry a handful of people" wanted to overturn his 2017 win.
Both are among MPs to have criticised Jeremy Corbyn and faced no confidence votes in their local parties.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45445297
Labour is the centre ground...yea sure they are under King Jezzer. :roll:
Jimbuna
09-08-18, 06:48 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45445297
Labour is the centre ground...yea sure they are under King Jezzer. :roll:
This sums it all up...
In July, Momentum's national co-ordinator Laura Parker suggested Ms Hoey, Mr Stringer, Mr Field and John Mann - who also backs Brexit - should be deselected, saying there was "no room" for them in the party.
Jimbuna
09-08-18, 06:51 AM
You sort him out Chuka....not that I reckon he or his supporters will listen.
Labour MP Chuka Umunna has accused leader Jeremy Corbyn of driving centre-left MPs like himself out of the party.
The MP - a leading member of the cross-party People's Vote for a second EU referendum - urged Mr Corbyn to "call off the dogs".
In a speech, the MP said so-called moderates face a "clear and present danger" of being run out of the party by hardline factions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45453807
You sort him out Chuka....not that I reckon he or his supporters will listen.
King Jezzer will be on State run Iranian TV at this rate. :03:
The bad old days are well and truly back as the mad dogs have tasted a hint of power and they want more.
The Trades Union Congress has warned Theresa May it is poised to throw its "full weight" behind calls for a referendum on the final Brexit deal.
TUC leader Frances O'Grady said that unless the government struck "the deal that working people need" with the EU, she would demand a "popular vote".
"It's only right that people should get a say," she told the BBC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45464115
More pressure for Mayday.
Boris Johnson has attacked Theresa's May's Brexit plan, saying she had "wrapped a suicide vest" around the British constitution and "handed the detonator" to Brussels.
Writing in the Mail on Sunday (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6146853/BORIS-JOHNSON-JEREMY-HUNT-debate-Chequers-deal.html), the former foreign secretary said the Chequers deal had opened the UK to "perpetual political blackmail".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45462900
Boris seems to be enjoying himself as he puts the boot in again.
Jimbuna
09-09-18, 07:20 AM
King Jezzer will be on State run Iranian TV at this rate. :03:
The bad old days are well and truly back as the mad dogs have tasted a hint of power and they want more.
Most likely :yep:
Jimbuna
09-09-18, 07:23 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45464115
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45462900
Boris seems to be enjoying himself as he puts the boot in again.
I reckon quite a few are happy for Boris to be the front man, thereby taking any political flack but I doubt they are prepared to join him in his cavalry charge.
Jimbuna
09-10-18, 12:28 PM
Michel Barnier has said a Brexit deal is possible within six to eight weeks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45470674
She loves me, she loves me not....she loves me :hmmm:
I reckon quite a few are happy for Boris to be the front man, thereby taking any political flack but I doubt they are prepared to join him in his cavalry charge.
That is so true.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45470674
She loves me, she loves me not....she loves me :hmmm:
:haha:
One minute its hugs and kisses and the next its war. They say only six months to go and normal service will return and Brexit will be a passed memory. I will say Brexit will go on and on for years to come.
Jimbuna
09-11-18, 01:00 PM
https://i.imgur.com/RSUXxVQ.jpg
:har: :har: :har: :har:
Please tell me that is real. :)
The government's refusal to increase police pay by 3% in England and Wales is a "punch on the nose", Britain's most senior police officer has said.
Cressida Dick said she was "extremely disappointed" by the decision to give police a 2% rise, against the recommendation of an independent board.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45487244
Stop farting around and give them what they need.
Labour would extend workers' rights and "restore the balance of power in the workplace", shadow chancellor John McDonnell has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45479544
Really?
A Labour government would ban zero hours contracts and introduce a "real living wage" of £10 an hour, as well as scrapping "anti-trade union" laws, he told the TUC.
Result many ZHW's will be signing on and don't give me that rubbish about £10 an hour the Greens and Libs have already said that.
BREAKING NEWS
Just heard on the radio PM May could be facing a vote of no confidence in days before their conference. Fifty plus signatures, this should be interesting to see who has the guts or fools hat to challenge Maybot.
Good job i'm here and wide awake to bring jim this snippet of news. :)
Jimbuna
09-12-18, 06:50 AM
Right now those jostling to remove her know they don't have any guarantees they would have the numbers to force her out, even though they may well be able to pull together enough MPs to submit letters to the chair of 1922 committee to trigger a contest.
Jimbuna
09-12-18, 07:03 AM
https://i.imgur.com/XoP1Mw2.png
Right now those jostling to remove her know they don't have any guarantees they would have the numbers to force her out, even though they may well be able to pull together enough MPs to submit letters to the chair of 1922 committee to trigger a contest.
Looks like the hot news has tuned cold, what made this hot they got the 50 signatures unlike all the rest of the guff up to now. What would be interesting those who voted remain will also put up candidates but like the leave who? Both camps don't seem to have anyone worth putting up.
Prime Minister's Questions: The key bits and the verdicthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45496373
It was a heated one as fire from both sides was full on today.
Jimbuna
09-13-18, 09:20 AM
Looks like the hot news has tuned cold, what made this hot they got the 50 signatures unlike all the rest of the guff up to now. What would be interesting those who voted remain will also put up candidates but like the leave who? Both camps don't seem to have anyone worth putting up.
That is the million dollar question.
Jimbuna
09-13-18, 09:24 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45496373
It was a heated one as fire from both sides was full on today.
https://i.imgur.com/gdIIYKv.jpg
Jimbuna
09-14-18, 07:02 AM
MP George Freeman has said he will put his name forward to be the next Tory leader if "asked to" amid continuing speculation over Theresa May's future.
It comes after the ex-minister, who once chaired Mrs May's policy board, said there should be leadership contest next summer after Brexit was settled.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45519604
He's got more chance of being bit on the bottom by a cabbage :haha:
Electoral Commission 'misinterpreted' Vote Leave expenses, court rules
The Electoral Commission misinterpreted EU referendum spending laws allowing Vote Leave to break them, the High Court has ruled.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45519676
I can not say that I'm that surprised unbiased electoral commission sure they are.:roll:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45519604
He's got more chance of being bit on the bottom by a cabbage :haha:
Who? :-?
Catfish
09-15-18, 06:24 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45519676
I can not say that I'm that surprised unbiased electoral commission sure they are.:roll:
Vote leave can pay their fines with the billions earned through brexit
Lord Heseltine predicts Boris Johnson will become next Conservative leaderhttps://news.sky.com/story/lord-heseltine-predicts-boris-johnson-will-become-next-conservative-leader-11498158
And Jezzer will be King PM if that happens!
Labour would likely vote down any Brexit deal, says shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberryhttps://news.sky.com/story/labour-would-likely-vote-down-any-brexit-deal-emily-thornberry-11497431
So Labour wants a HARD Brexit then? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
09-15-18, 07:10 AM
Who? :-?
George Freeman
Jimbuna
09-15-18, 07:13 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-would-likely-vote-down-any-brexit-deal-emily-thornberry-11497431
So Labour wants a HARD Brexit then? :hmmm:
Basically, yes....Corbyn has always been anti-EU
Theresa May has said she gets "irritated" by the ongoing speculation over her position as prime minister.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45535490
Well Maybot what you should say is...."Put up or shut up".
Put up as in a candidate(s) or shut up and tow the line.
Jimbuna
09-16-18, 07:40 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45535490
Well Maybot what you should say is...."Put up or shut up".
Put up as in a candidate(s) or shut up and tow the line.
Actually and as much as it worries me to agree with her I think she has a valid point.
The clown is quite happy hiding behind his makeup and providing the bullets for his supporters to fire.
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