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Skybird
02-28-18, 11:59 AM
Maybe he's older than he claims. :shucks:
Maybe he's older than he claims. :shucks:
I am..........
More latter. :DL
UK doing well..
Toys R Us UK goes into administrationhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43225248
Maplin collapses as rescue talks failhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43223175
Not for these poor sods who face a kicking on UC and jumping though lots of hoops.
Catfish
02-28-18, 02:26 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43224785
That's another step closer to simply walking away.
So how does Mrs May think North Ireland will be able to keep an open border (and peace..), without having a customs union of any kind.
When it threatens the "constitutional integrity of the UK" maybe just leaving the latter might be in order?
"You can't have your cake and eat it" :hmmm:
Jimbuna
03-01-18, 08:19 AM
So how does Mrs May think North Ireland will be able to keep an open border (and peace..), without having a customs union of any kind.
When it threatens the "constitutional integrity of the UK" maybe just leaving the latter might be in order?
"You can't have your cake and eat it" :hmmm:
I've read that the UK has suggested new IT systems could be introduced to avoid the need for physical border checks but as yet, there is scant detail about this.
May is meeting with Tusk on Friday so no doubt he will have all the answers....j/k
Catfish
03-01-18, 09:27 AM
I thought May and UK politicians have the answers to all things brexit, especially when it comes to Ireland..
Better let Farage and Johnson handle it ;)
Jimbuna
03-01-18, 11:31 AM
I thought May and UK politicians have the answers to all things brexit, especially when it comes to Ireland..
Better let Farage and Johnson handle it ;)
Heaven spare us :o
I see the Westminster pigs have given themselves a 1.8% pay rise. :nope:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43244088
And not a single complaint or rejection from the Labour party. The working class party what a load of rubbish. :nope: :nope:
Skybird
03-01-18, 06:20 PM
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Same here in Germ,any, Steed. Since months parties babble about governments and coalitions and initially could not agree on anything - just that shortly after the election the parliament agreed on giving themselves all a rise. I seem to recall it were 5 or 9%, but I am not certain.
Parasites, I will not stop calling them by their real names. Antisocial parasites, claiming to solve problems that without them would not exist. Or as you called them, "pigs". PIGS stands for Pestilentia Infernalis in Government Service.
A people shoud enver alloow that those it allows to lead them can avoid and can exylcude thmesleves form the consequences of their laqws and rules. In this casE: inflation. It is unaccepotable that wid epoarts of the poublic have to stuggle with inbflation and decraidng buying power, and the fact of inflaiton and higher porices fat cats allow themsleves according pay rises that most other are beign denied by the same fat cats.
And a people allowing this - and many other bad things - to happen and getting turned into law "in the name of the people", is a stupid people that - lets face it - does not deserve it any better. True for Britain. True for Germany. And any other country.
Jimbuna
03-02-18, 07:59 AM
PM May will soon be making her eagerly awaited speech regarding what it is exactly what the UK wants regarding BREXIT. I hope she is clear and concise in order that meaningful and transparent talks can begin.
The clock is ticking.
Former PM Tony Blair claims there is now a 50% chance Brexit won't happenhttps://news.sky.com/story/former-pm-tony-blair-claims-there-is-now-a-50-chance-brexit-wont-happen-11272200
OH SHUT UP WILL YOU!
Catfish
03-02-18, 05:02 PM
^ Oh yes he is wrong.
Because even if now more than 50 percent are against it, the banks and industry say it is the wrong decision and all experts agree, you will have your brexit, be sure. You just won't have what the brexiteers promised, because they lied.
Mr Quatro
03-02-18, 06:54 PM
PM May will soon be making her eagerly awaited speech regarding what it is exactly what the UK wants regarding BREXIT. I hope she is clear and concise in order that meaningful and transparent talks can begin.
The clock is ticking.
Sounds like fence sitting to me, but also sounds like she doesn't want the will of the people to go through as planned ... :yep:
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-brexit-theresa-may-20180302-story.html
Prime Minister Theresa May speaking in London, she said she sought the
"broadest and deepest possible partnership" with the European Union,
arguing that it was in the interests of both sides to make that happen.
^ Oh yes he is wrong.
Because even if now more than 50 percent are against it, the banks and industry say it is the wrong decision and all experts agree, you will have your brexit, be sure. You just won't have what the brexiteers promised, because they lied.
Ha ha got you. :03:
I was having ago at that busy bod who can not keep his dam nose out and always interfering between his dinner speeches. He is a bloody liar as well, we have not forgotten the "dodgy dossier" and a few other things as well. The PM who promised to deliver and we got nothing, only Scotland and Wales got what they wanted.
Jimbuna
03-03-18, 07:29 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/former-pm-tony-blair-claims-there-is-now-a-50-chance-brexit-wont-happen-11272200
OH SHUT UP WILL YOU!
^ Oh yes he is wrong.
Because even if now more than 50 percent are against it, the banks and industry say it is the wrong decision and all experts agree, you will have your brexit, be sure. You just won't have what the brexiteers promised, because they lied.
https://i.imgur.com/owUdNfo.jpg
Jimbuna
03-03-18, 07:32 AM
Sounds like fence sitting to me, but also sounds like she doesn't want the will of the people to go through as planned ... :yep:
You could well be right, she did vote to remain but since becoming PM she has to balance her own feelings with the will of the electorate and not having a majority in parliament makes everything all that more awkward.
Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.
https://i.imgur.com/owUdNfo.jpg
https://media1.tenor.com/images/d787d33adb362e8a7cfe38aa37194c20/tenor.gif?itemid=9682311
Brexit: Theresa May urges EU to buy into 'ambitious' vision
Theresa May has urged the EU to get on with discussing her "ambitious but practical" vision for economic relations with the UK after Brexit.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43277176
Oh come on! :har:
The EU is not going to get Hugga-Mugga with you MayBot so stop living in a dream and get back to the real world.
Jimbuna
03-04-18, 07:51 AM
Jeremy Corbyn urged Momentum founder Jon Lansman not to stand for the vacant post of Labour's general secretary, the BBC understands.
The Labour leader failed to persuade Mr Lansman not to put himself forward in a phone call on Tuesday.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43256181
Scratch below the surface and you'll uncover the true reason for the power struggle and the reason I gave up my 25 year membership.
Ian McNicol's resignation as Labour general secretary earlier this week has sparked a potential power struggle between Unite, Labour's largest financial backer, and Momentum - the campaign group which was set up to support and sustain Jeremy Corbyn's leadership,
POWER AND CONTROL IS EVERYTHING!!
Jimbuna
03-04-18, 09:14 AM
https://i.imgur.com/uZjphzs.png
Oh really :hmmm:
Catfish
03-05-18, 05:04 AM
^ i always wonder why you are wondering about this.
I mean after all England is the inventor of capitalism, and it is still a class society, much more than most other western countries. House of lords?
Bankers and such get much more money, than those PMs.
You really expect equality, same chances and deserved loans?
At least the more money those politicians get, the less likely they are to get bribed by big business :03:
Jimbuna
03-05-18, 09:54 AM
House of Lords is probably the best example I could have thought of also and given the fact they aren't even elected but rather 'chosen' makes them even more resented than those fools who sit next door in Parliament.
http://www.parliament.uk/business/lords/whos-in-the-house-of-lords/members-and-their-roles/how-members-are-appointed/
Jimbuna
03-06-18, 04:29 AM
Sinn Féin shared a meeting of minds at talks with the EU's chief negotiator on Monday, the party said.
Party President Mary Lou McDonald made the comments after she and her party colleagues met Michel Barnier in Brussels.
It follows comments from Prime Minister Theresa May that she did not want to see a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
Ms McDonald said the issue was now "in Mrs May's court".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43279861
Hopefully Sinn Féin are as supportive in private as they currently appear to be in public.
STEED's new PMQs score card.
PM Theresa May (Conservatives) 2
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour) 2
Vince Cable (LibDems) 0
Ian Blackford (SNP) 0
Caroline Lucas (Greens) 0
ON GOING SCORE CARD AFTER 8 PMQs
PM Theresa May (Conservatives) 13
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour) 12
Vince Cable (LibDems) 1
Ian Blackford (SNP) 5
Caroline Lucas (Greens) 0
Jimbuna
03-07-18, 08:35 AM
Donald Tusk has insisted the EU "does not want to build a wall", but Brexit means "we will be drifting apart".
The EU Council president said Theresa May wanted to "demonstrate at any price that Brexit could be a success", but that was not the EU's objective.
He was unveiling draft guidelines for the EU side for negotiations on post-Brexit relations with the UK.
Mr Tusk said he wanted continued security and research cooperation and to ensure flights were not grounded.
On trade, he said that the UK's decision to rule out membership of the single market or the customs union meant a free trade agreement was the best option - but it would be, he said, the first such agreement that would "loosen, not strengthen economic ties".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43314976
First bit of common sense from this guy in a while.
Catfish
03-07-18, 09:20 AM
Theresa May gets all the Flak that Johnson and others should :hmmm:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autoshow-geneva-britain/carmakers-warn-theresa-may-brexit-barriers-make-our-plants-more-expensive-idUSKCN1GJ1Z8
Jimbuna
03-07-18, 11:14 AM
I think we'll eventually end up with a mutual free trade agreement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tetk_ayO1x4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2MN3pZAhXk
Catfish
03-07-18, 04:37 PM
I think we'll eventually end up with a mutual free trade agreement.
I still hope, but i am not sure anymore.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/eu-rules-out-bespoke-trade-deal-for-uk-a3783841.html
Jimbuna
03-08-18, 07:34 AM
I still hope, but i am not sure anymore.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/eu-rules-out-bespoke-trade-deal-for-uk-a3783841.html
The big question for me being....will we be handing over somewhere in the region of £40 billion for such an agreement? :hmmm:
It will be a bloody massive mess, trust me it will. Today's Politicians are a bunch of power mad money grabbing grubby B'stards who want their cake and eat it. Not forgetting stealing your cakes out of your cake tin as well, greed power and corruption is the most powerful drug and they are hooked on it. :03:
The UK will seek an exemption from President Donald Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminium imports to the US, according to Trade Secretary Liam Fox.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43342246
So who gets the job kissing Butt? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
03-09-18, 07:08 AM
Well you of course.
Well you of course.
Nice try. :O:
I am not in the government. :O: :O:
Jimbuna
03-12-18, 02:45 PM
The PM said the government concluded it was "highly likely" Russia was responsible for the Salisbury attack in Parliament today and all Corbyn could do was respond with a verbal attack on wealthy Russians supposedly contributing to the Tory election campaign.
The PM told the house that current existing rules regarding financial support are strictly adhered to which resulted in condemnation from ALL parties deriding Corbyn and rightly so.
Jimbuna
03-12-18, 02:46 PM
Commons leader Andrea Leadsom has called for an inquiry into allegations of bullying in Parliament.
It is likely to consider whether all Commons staff should be covered by the independent grievance procedure, not just those working directly for MPs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43374635
This should be an automatic given :yep:
Jimbuna
03-13-18, 12:00 PM
Chancellor Philip Hammond has unveiled upgraded projections for growth and predicted falling inflation and borrowing in his Spring Statement.
He claimed the UK economy had reached a turning point and there was "light at the end of the tunnel".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43380212
That light could well be coming from a train entering the tunnel and rushing headlong :)
Jimbuna
03-15-18, 07:41 AM
I see Corbyn yet again manages to make a fool of himself and alienate not only Tories but many of his own politicians into the bargain :nope:
Nia Griffith distances herself from Corbyn aide's Russia comments.
It followed a number of Labour MPs being at odds with the Labour leader's response to Theresa May's statement on the Russian spy case.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43414185
Jimbuna
03-15-18, 07:44 AM
Alex Salmond: Russian TV station 'not propaganda'
Alex Salmond has launched a staunch defence of his weekly show on Russian broadcaster RT as he warned regulator Ofcom against closing the channel down.
Opponents have accused the former Scottish first minister of being a "useful idiot for the Kremlin".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43414025
He couldn't even manage to be a "useful idiot" for the SNP :haha:
Catfish
03-20-18, 09:47 AM
Britain pulls out of EU defense force:
https://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-uk-military-britain-pulls-out-of-eu-defense-force/
"Brexit means brexit"
Good to know :03:
Skybird
03-20-18, 10:17 AM
Britain pulls out of EU defense force:
https://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-uk-military-britain-pulls-out-of-eu-defense-force/
"Brexit means brexit"
Good to know :03:
Tja-tja.
Britain also is one of the two only nuclear military powers in the EU capable to provide deterrance (assuming that Corbyn's idea of SLBMs without warheads does not become a reality).
Jimbuna
03-20-18, 03:30 PM
In the letter informing Brussels of the U.K.’s decision, Britain’s Lieutenant General George Norton said the decision to withdraw from the program was because of the logistical problems caused by Brexit, and insisted Britain could still remain part of the program further down the line if a political agreement could be struck.
Makes complete sense to me and the UK remains fully committed to NATO.
Jimbuna
03-21-18, 08:05 AM
More than one million NHS staff, including nurses, porters and paramedics, can expect pay increases of at least 6.5% over three years - with some rises being as high as 29%.
The deal has been formally agreed by unions and ministers on Wednesday and could cost as much as £4bn.
Pay rises will be backdated to April this year, if staff agree to the deal.
The deal is tiered - with the lowest paid workers in each job receiving the biggest rises.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43481341
This is long overdue but desperately needed for so many dedicated workers on low incomes.
Hopefully this will mean many job vacancies will end and in so doing make a step toward getting the NHS into functioning as it should, for the good of the people.
Jimbuna
03-21-18, 09:34 AM
How could anyone condone such a decision :nope:
https://i.imgur.com/M81VGER.jpg
Jimbuna
03-24-18, 08:35 AM
Owen Smith says he "stood by his principles" in calling for another EU referendum - a move which resulted in his sacking from Labour's shadow cabinet.
The former shadow Northern Ireland secretary said Jeremy Corbyn had made a "mistake" in firing him.
He also said the party should "shift its position" on Brexit.
Mr Smith was asked to stand down on Friday after he wrote an article for the Guardian calling for a second vote.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43524945
Yet further proof of how anti-EU Corbyn is and has always been.
Jimbuna
03-25-18, 09:28 AM
https://i.imgur.com/ihcU116.jpg
Catfish
03-27-18, 02:36 AM
I do not know whether it works, it is just a try..
'Why I voted for brexit' – not that i entirely understand it, but.. (Google website translation):
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesspiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fei n-jahr-vor-dem-brexit-warum-ich-fuer-den-brexit-gestimmt-habe%2F21111242.html&edit-text=
Jimbuna
03-27-18, 06:01 AM
Labour MPs are pressing Jeremy Corbyn for more action to "root out" anti-Semitism in the party after he issued a new apology to Jewish groups.
Some of Mr Corbyn's MPs joined a protest against his stance on anti-Jewish prejudice outside Parliament.
Frontbencher Rebecca Long-Bailey said it was "devastating" to "realise that the Jewish community had lost faith in our approach to anti-Semitism".
But she said the party took a "zero-tolerance" approach to the issue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43549831
Here is a man who knows Hizbollah commits terrorist atrocities against Jews, but calls them his friends and attends pro-Hizbollah rallies in London. Exactly the same goes for Hamas. Raed Salah says Jews kill Christian children to drink their blood. He opposes his extradition and invites him for tea at the House of Commons. These are not the only cases. He is repeatedly found alongside people with blatantly anti-Semitic views, but claims never to hear or read them.
I'm wondering if Corbyn has suddenly found himself stuck between a rock and a hard place :hmmm:
Jimbuna
03-30-18, 06:11 AM
Theresa May has said that Brexit means there will be more money available to spend on the NHS and schools.
Meanwhile ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair said Brexit could still be stopped, saying it was "not too late".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43577208
She must deliver on this or it will be the cause of her downfall.
Oh, and Tony, stop being a dafty.
Jimbuna
04-01-18, 09:06 AM
Child burial fees waived in England
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43609657
I wholeheartedly support this :yep:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43549831
Here is a man who knows Hizbollah commits terrorist atrocities against Jews, but calls them his friends and attends pro-Hizbollah rallies in London. Exactly the same goes for Hamas. Raed Salah says Jews kill Christian children to drink their blood. He opposes his extradition and invites him for tea at the House of Commons. These are not the only cases. He is repeatedly found alongside people with blatantly anti-Semitic views, but claims never to hear or read them.
I'm wondering if Corbyn has suddenly found himself stuck between a rock and a hard place :hmmm:
He has blown it...Eddie Izzard appointment! :doh:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43577208
She must deliver on this or it will be the cause of her downfall.
Oh, and Tony, stop being a dafty.
She has gone way over time on the easy stuff and now the hard stuff is on the way. Another one who has blown it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43609657
I wholeheartedly support this :yep:
Agreed with that.
Jimbuna
04-02-18, 09:31 AM
The comedian Eddie Izzard, newly appointed to Labour's ruling body, has said the party must "stamp out completely the stain of anti-Semitism".
His comments came as Labour distanced itself from a series of controversial pro-Jeremy Corbyn Facebook groups.
A report published in the Sunday Times claims to have uncovered more than 2,000 anti-Semitic, racist or abusive comments in them.
A Labour spokesman said the groups are not connected to the party in any way.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43613464
Tough times ahead for the party currently led by the 'unelectable one'.
Momentum, the Labour movement backing Jeremy Corbyn, has said that anti-Semitism in the party is more widespread than it had understood.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43620717
While the mess gets bigger old JC got one thing right. He deleted his FB account, good move as social media is a hate machine in most part.
Jimbuna
04-03-18, 02:18 PM
Jeremy Corbyn has defended his decision to attend a dinner organised by a left-wing Jewish group following criticism from mainstream Jewish leaders.
Asked if he had any regrets about being at the Jewdas event, the Labour leader said: "Not in the slightest."
The Board of Deputies of British Jews and other groups said it cast fresh doubts on Mr Corbyn's commitment to tackling anti-Semitism in Labour.
The Jewish Labour Movement said Mr Corbyn's attendance at the Jewdas event "topped off the worst week on record of awful relations between the Labour Party and the Jewish community".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43624231
I'm not sure if Corbyn is acting naively, stupidly, or both :hmmm:
Catfish
04-04-18, 02:48 AM
"Theresa May has said that Brexit means there will be more money available to spend on the NHS and schools."
Bovine scatology. It has already been proven that Boris Johnson was lying (or "he did not know better", though i doubt it).
So people still believe in the red bus polemics? Has Mrs May also been hit by the red bus?
Then Mrs May is really dumb to repeat it. After all it was not her who had invented the lie. She was not for brexit, she does not believe it is better (whatever she has to say to please) and she did not lie about it. Not until now.
bertieck476
04-04-18, 04:49 AM
Im sure once we have finally left and stop paying into the EU that there will be more cash for the NHS and schools, what we dont know and Mrs May hasn't told us is how much.
Catfish
04-04-18, 05:10 AM
You will overfish without regulation, unless you regulate it yourself. Where is the advantage for UK fishery? Infrastructure and modernising or rebuilding of (very) old houses has been postponed for decades because of lack of money, but has been recently begun with help of the EU.
Look at the rebuilding of Manchester. Not only the money, but expertise was transferred without economical advantage for the EU.
Creation of jobs in the UK, plants, production, then all those scientific projects - well at least the latter will probably continue because scientists usually do not care about politics.
Maybe you can then do it all by "yourself", but this "yourself" is becoming obsolete. There is no point in doing anything alone anymore, economy and technology is too much intertwined, which is a good thing for prosperity of all.
More money for the NHS, and the "common man", within England and maybe later the UK. I believe it when i see it.
Jimbuna
04-04-18, 08:24 AM
More money for the NHS, and the "common man", within England and maybe later the UK. I believe it when i see it.
Me too actually but the main reasons the vote went for BREXIT was to enable the UK to regain control of her borders, law making and immigration.
Jimbuna
04-05-18, 09:27 AM
Labour has called for an investigation into whether Boris Johnson "misled" the public over Russian involvement in the Salisbury nerve agent attack.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn earlier implied the foreign secretary had exaggerated the findings of the UK's defence laboratory, Porton Down.
Mr Johnson responded that Mr Corbyn's remarks were "lamentable".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43639801
Is it possible Corbyn could be a Russian spy? :hmmm:
:O:
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s sugar tax on soft drinks came into effect on Friday, a move that will lead to some higher prices...https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-sugar/britains-sugar-tax-on-soft-drinks-comes-into-effect-idUKKCN1HD1K2
How about reducing the cost on healthy food like fish that around here cost near on £7:00 for a small portion. I have noticed the cost of veg as well has been going up but you can still buy a 150g bar of chocolate for under or £1:00!
I think this tax on full sugar drinks is just a half-arse typical dumb government move. They will not tackle the food industry head on and its the consumer who cops it every time.
Jimbuna
04-08-18, 07:23 AM
A bitter row has broken out between Labour and the Conservatives over their language and response to the nerve agent attack in Salisbury.
Boris Johnson accused Jeremy Corbyn of refusing to "unequivocally" blame the Russian state, describing him as "the Kremlin's useful idiot".
But Labour said Mr Johnson was the "idiot" having "undermined his own government's position" on the evidence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43686718
:haha:
A new political party with access to up to £50m in funding has been secretly under development for more than a year by a network of entrepreneurs, philanthropists and donors keen to “break the Westminster mould”, the Observer can reveal.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/07/new-political-party-break-mould-westminster-uk-brexit
May get my vote as I am fed up with the big three. Mind you saying that, I suspect they will go the same way as the others if they get off the ground.
Jimbuna
04-10-18, 05:49 AM
Tony Blair does not want to lead a new centre-ground party "at this or any stage", he has told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43710726
Thank God!! :o
Jimbuna
04-11-18, 06:43 AM
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have not invited Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn to their wedding.
US President Donald Trump will not be invited.
It has also been confirmed that Barack and Michelle Obama, who are friends of the prince, have not been invited.
No more soup for you and you and you and you and you.
Among the 1,200 members of the public who will be allowed into the grounds of Windsor Castle on 19 May will be a 12-year-old girl injured in the Manchester Arena attack.
As her plus one, the schoolgirl will take grandmother Sharon Goodman, whose grand-daughter Olivia Campbell-Hardy died in the bombing.
Far more worthy :yep:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43714329
Catfish
04-11-18, 06:57 AM
No more soup for you and you and you and you and you.
Hey i was not invited either! :hmph:
Far more worthy :yep:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43714329True.
Jimbuna
04-12-18, 08:14 AM
Big Ben clock tower hands removed for maintenance. The clock hands of Elizabeth Tower have been removed during maintenance and restoration work in the Palace of Westminster.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43740795
Oh well, that's it then, we're all doomed :o
Oh well, that's it then, we're all doomed :o
Ever the optimist. :03:
Labour will fund free bus travel for under-25s if they win power, Jeremy Corbyn will announce on Thursday.https://news.sky.com/story/labour-promise-to-fund-free-bus-travel-for-under-25s-11326924
Vote grabbing in my book. :03:
So the rest of us will have to pay more so this lot can go free! Clear off, only pensioners and people with mental and physical health problems have the right. Everyone else pays just like I do.
bertieck476
04-13-18, 04:56 PM
Just another gimmick to win votes from young people who never normally vote in large numbers, just like the cynical pledge to wipe off student debts before the election, only to admit weeks after that it had not been costed accurately and he didnt know how much it would have cost.
Jimbuna
04-14-18, 07:23 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-promise-to-fund-free-bus-travel-for-under-25s-11326924
Vote grabbing in my book. :03:
So the rest of us will have to pay more so this lot can go free! Clear off, only pensioners and people with mental and physical health problems have the right. Everyone else pays just like I do.
Rgr that :yep:
UKIP has confirmed Gerard Batten as its new leader - and he has said he will resign in 12 months' time.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43769408
Jolly nice of him to give a years notice to step down. :haha:
Jimbuna
04-15-18, 06:49 AM
MPs, celebrities and business leaders have launched a campaign calling for a public vote on the final Brexit deal between the UK and the European Union.
The People's Vote drive aims to unite anti-Brexit groups, with a rally being held in Camden, in London on Sunday.
Actor Sir Patrick Stewart, who backs the campaign, said that if people voted to reject the exit deal, the UK would "simply stay" in the EU.
Both the Conservatives and Labour have ruled out a second referendum.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43774200
And so they should.
Please no second referendum unless folks pay for it out of there own pocket which I can not see happening.
Local elections here in May and after viewing the usual suspects I will not be voting for any of them. Wet washouts with no fiber or righteousness the lot of them.
Jeremy Hunt has apologised after it was discovered he may have breached anti-money laundering law when he didn't disclose the purchase of plush flats on England's south coast.http://www.itv.com/news/2018-04-13/jeremy-hunt-apologises-for-honest-mistake-after-failing-to-declare-luxury-flats-purchase/
'honest mistake'
What a load of rubbish.
Actor Sir Patrick Stewart, who played Charles Xavier in the X-Men films based on the comic books, said the famous character would have voted Remain.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43774200
What garbage, when actors and singers get on the wagon I always think how much did you get paid. Just to add I would have posted this comment if PS was a brexiteer.
Jimbuna
04-16-18, 10:25 AM
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has spent his life campaigning for peace and speaking out against military action.
He was one of the UK's leading campaigners against the 2003 Iraq war - and also voted against British involvement in military action in Afghanistan and Libya.
In fact, he has voted against every military action proposed by the UK government during his 35 years in Parliament. He is also firmly opposed to air strikes in Syria in response to chemical attacks, arguing that it will escalate tensions, although it looks increasingly likely that MPs will not be given a say on that.
Before entering Parliament, he spoke out against the Falklands War and cut his political teeth campaigning against the war in Vietnam, a conflict Britain supported without committing troops.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43737547
Pacifist, Traitor, Anti Royalist, Anti EU? I guess there may well be many voters out there who believe him to be at least one of those if not all :hmmm:
Corbyn: Time to change approach on Syria
The Labour leader advocates a diplomatic approach over military action to help resolve the conflict in Syria.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-43775575/syria-air-strikes-time-to-change-approach-says-corbyn
Shadow Attorney General Shami Chakrabarti says the government did not meet its own tests for launching an airstrike in Syria over the weekend.
"I don't think the government can demonstrate convincing evidence and a general acceptance by the international community that they had to act in the way they did a few days ago."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-43782971/chakrabarti-no-convincing-evidence-for-syria-strike
Thank the Lord this pack of spineless folk are not in power https://i.imgur.com/I6B3Q0h.gif
Voters will head to the polls on 3 May for the first England-wide test of electoral opinion since last year's dramatic general election.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43489456
I am not voting for the bunch of washout candidates around here. I have noticed the same old houses putting up their Lib/Lab/Green posters, year in year out every year the same old posters.
I am wondering if they are so brainwashed or thick as two shorts planks, have they tried some one else? Bet not, may as well put pigs up for candidates as long as they are orange or red or green these mugs will vote for them.
Is there something odd going on with UKIP?
What have Anne Marie Waters and Henry Bolton got in common?
Both left UKIP and both formed new party's. For Britain far right party formed by AMW and OneNation a mish mash of right and left wing by HB.
Jimbuna
04-17-18, 12:44 PM
I'm thankfull Corbyn wasn't running the country in 1938, he makes Neville Chamberlain look like a real warmonger :)
Jeremy Corbyn urges MPs to assert authority
It is time for Parliament to "assert its authority" over UK military action after it was not consulted over Syrian air strikes, Jeremy Corbyn has said.
The Labour leader told MPs Theresa May had shown "flagrant disregard" for the convention that MPs should be consulted beforehand on foreign interventions.
He said the PM had "tossed aside" the precedent, set by the 2003 Iraq War vote, because it was "inconvenient".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792159
The government won the vote easily, by 317 votes to 256 - a majority of 61.
https://media.makeameme.org/created/woohoo-dont-vote.jpg
Jimbuna
04-18-18, 07:10 AM
Theresa May has said the decision to destroy the landing cards of Windrush migrants was taken under Labour.
The prime minister told MPs she was not home secretary when the move was approved, saying it happened in 2009.
Jeremy Corbyn said "vital historical records" were shredded and suggested the PM was trying to "blame officials", suggesting Theresa May's government had shown itself "callous and incompetent".
Asked by Mr Corbyn whether she had signed off the decision to destroy documents which could have proved Caribbean migrants' arrival in the UK, she told MPs the decision was taken in 2009 while Labour was still in power.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43806710
Looks like another own goal for Corbyn and Diane Abbott :haha:
"He talks about being callous, I will not take that from a man who allows anti-Semitism to run rife in his party."
Corbyn really got a verbal kicking from Mrs May.
Jimbuna
04-19-18, 06:28 AM
Windrush: Investigation urged over landing cards
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43818860
Lets have an enquiry and see just who is lying :yep:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43818860
Lets have an enquiry and see just who is lying :yep:
If it was the Tories and they know it you will not see a investigation. If it was Labour and they know it they will say no investigation is needed and move away from this issue. :03:
Jimbuna
04-20-18, 05:42 AM
If it was the Tories and they know it you will not see a investigation. If it was Labour and they know it they will say no investigation is needed and move away from this issue. :03:
Now that sounds like political reasoning :hmmm:
The decision to destroy the landing cards for Windrush migrants was taken under Labour, former home secretary Alan Johnson has said.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43835664
Bong, back the the Tories. :03:
Jimbuna
04-21-18, 08:50 AM
I know Alan Johnson and certainly believe his take on the sorry sad affair :yep:
Jeremy Corbyn has called for an end to the government's so-called "hostile environment" immigration policy, saying it has "ripped apart" people's lives.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43857089
Best form of defense about anti-Semitism in your party go on the attack making people look the other way at the Tories.
Catfish
04-23-18, 05:02 AM
^ We have seen and know how you like to bite yourself and smirk and despise your various peoples and inhabitants and political parties rather than working together or at least find any solution, but now after all you decided you hate all other bloody foreigners more than Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Not for the first time of course, but it led to some slightly raised eyebrows. :hmmm:
So you had your victory of nationalism and your brexit. And now?
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-far-right-finally-has-brexit-and-its-making-a-royal-mess-of-it/
I guess changing the passsport's envelope back to blue by a french-dutch company for some 490 million pounds is to be considered as a step forward?
https://qz.com/1236955/the-post-brexit-blue-passport-saga-symbolizes-the-conflicted-mess-britain-is-in/
:yeah:
Jimbuna
04-23-18, 06:48 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43857089
Best form of defense about anti-Semitism in your party go on the attack making people look the other way at the Tories.
A large slice of hypocrisy imho.
Jimbuna
04-23-18, 11:40 AM
Is this silly sod trying to model himself on another world leader? :hmmm:
Jeremy Corbyn reiterates plan for four new public holidays, including St George’s Day
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-bank-holiday-commitment-st-georges-day-labour-manifesto-a8317091.html
I see Corbyn is like a mad dog over this Wind Rush business. And yet his meeting with the Jewish group did not go well for him.
Jimbuna
04-26-18, 07:37 AM
I see Corbyn is like a mad dog over this Wind Rush business. And yet his meeting with the Jewish group did not go well for him.
Its only just begun.
Unite leader Len McCluskey has warned Labour MPs who attack Jeremy Corbyn over anti-Semitism that they "can expect to be held to account".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43897221
Its only just begun.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43897221
Len has his own problems about the union elections I hear.
MPs have urged Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg to speak to them after evidence given by his chief technology officer was deemed unsatisfactory.
Yea sure he will. :roll:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43906956
Jimbuna
04-27-18, 06:27 AM
Livingstone: I'd 'do anything' for Corbyn if I was an MP.
The ex-London mayor, who is suspended from Labour over 2016 comments about Hitler and Zionism, told LBC if he was still in Parliament he would "do anything now that Jeremy wants".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43920224
This surely smacks of desparation, having met this guy the comments just don't sound right to me :hmmm:
UKIP Leader Gerard Batten has admitted the party faces "difficult" local elections in England as it seeks to hang on to gains made four years ago.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43920556
Its the Death Knell of UKIP, I bet they will not make any gains and could loose the last of their seats.
Government plans to make people prove their identity before voting are "deeply flawed", the Electoral Reform Society (ERS) has warned.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43932073
I would gladly wizz over the ballot box to give them a sample. :03: :roll: :shifty: :haha:
Jimbuna
04-28-18, 09:42 AM
Labour has expelled an activist for bringing the party into disrepute after he criticised a Jewish MP at the launch of an anti-Semitism report.
Marc Wadsworth accused Ruth Smeeth of working "hand in hand" with the media to undermine Labour.
Labour's National Constitutional Committee found he breached the party's rules and should be thrown out.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43920227
Looks like an own goal by Momentum.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43920227
Looks like an own goal by Momentum.
Mr Wadsworth said he would see whether he could launch a legal challenge.
He could play the race card. :03:
Jimbuna
04-29-18, 07:11 AM
Doesn't look fit enough to run any kind of race.
BREAKING NEWS
Amber Rudd resigns as home secretaryhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43944988
This is a major blow to PM May and a boost for Boris if Rudd can not bounce back when the time comes for a new leader. Meanwhile this mess has now landed right on PM May's door now as she was the HS before Rudd. Old JS must be grinning and rubbing his hands with glee.
Jimbuna
04-30-18, 07:34 AM
Sajid Javid to be her successor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43946845
Sajid Javid to be her successor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43946845
Never mind. :rolleyes:
Meanwhile back with dead brexit the HoL's has has driven another nail in the coffin by giving the remainers in the HoC ammo to insure we stay in.
http://jacksanger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/mary-poppins.jpeg
Jimbuna
05-01-18, 05:14 PM
Ghe beginning of the end of the House Of Lords perhaps?
Ghe beginning of the end of the House Of Lords perhaps? Its going the way of the HoC according to a green brexiteer. So the Lords are getting like feeding time at the zoo.
Theresa May has asked officials to draw up "revised proposals" for post-Brexit customs arrangements after a key meeting with her most senior ministers.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43983592
One big mess and a clueless government, still it could be worst if old JC and his parrot and Co were in charge.
People are heading to polling stations across England to cast their vote in local elections. But what can and can't you do in there?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43983595
For those of you who will be voting. I clearly can not as I would write on my ballot paper you want my vote pay me £1000 and you got it. :03:
Jimbuna
05-03-18, 08:58 AM
The EU Commission President, Jean-Claude Juncker, has urged Belgium to grant citizenship to British EU staff worried about their post-Brexit status.
About 1,100 UK citizens work for the EU in Brussels and Luxembourg.
The UK and EU have already pledged to protect citizens' rights after Brexit, but that does not mean granting nationality.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43987980
Is this guy a full shilling? :doh:
Catfish
05-03-18, 09:25 AM
^ more tax payers for Belgium? :hmmm:
"Many British EU staff are longstanding residents with families."
At least some don't want to leave.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-39590751
Jimbuna
05-03-18, 10:08 AM
^ I've no problem with that, each to their own but the politicians shouldn't be getting involved with scaremongering (both sides) if guarantees have already been agreed,
So why did I not vote?
Not one election campaign leaflet and no candidates or their representatives from the Con/Lib/Lab/Greens. If you lot can not be bothered why should I make the effort to vote for a bunch of self-righteous candidates who can not make their case to me.
So what was the over all picture in the UK? The Tory wipe out was a no show and Labour bounce back we are ready for government was also a no show. The biggest winners the LibDems and the biggest looser UKIP near on wipe out.
The picture is clear as of today, the country wants Labour back in power but not under old JC and his gang of arrogant front bencher's. As the the Tories the choke hold is still firmly in place as they are on course to win the general election but needing another partner to get them over the winning line.
This could be good news for the DUP as they can now make bigger demands for money and if they turn out to be the Tory partner again they will tighten their demands even more.
Jimbuna
05-04-18, 05:38 AM
Ovberall clearly a Tory win and what is most worrying is the fact they will learn from last night and JC will maintain his blinkered stance a remain the political bridesmaid.
The PM must be rubbing her hands with glee considering the pee poor opposition she is up against despite being in a perilous position herself.
Looks more like a draw between Con/Lab and it could be the LibDems in a good position to make demands if this plays out like this at the general election. But after getting stung big time climbing into Doggy Dave's bed the chances getting into bed with Mrs May is very very unlikely.
Shaping up to be another interesting GE in 2020.
Local elections: Greens say they are 'England's fourth party'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44002065
1 MP
39 Councilors
Right on. :|\\
And just like the big three no show at my door or leaflet dropped in. :roll:
Local election results 2018: No clear winner as Labour and Tories neck and neckhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44014076
I already came to that conclusion yesterday ahead of you BBC. :smug:
Jimbuna
05-05-18, 07:11 AM
UKIP is "dormant" like the Black Death, its general secretary said after it suffered heavy losses in the English local elections.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44002060
Yeah, something like that but UKIP have achieved what they initially set out to do, forcing a referendum on UK membership of the EU.
Alastair Campbell: Labour is a long way from power
https://news.sky.com/story/alastair-campbell-labour-is-a-long-way-from-power-under-jeremy-corbyn-11359237
I agree to a point, the results show the Tories are not in a safe place crossing the line on their own and Labour could make merry with that. One thing is for sure JC and his gang must go but will they even if they lost big time? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
05-07-18, 07:09 AM
In a word...NO
Four more blows from the HoL's
The House of Lords has backed calls for the UK to remain, in effect, in the EU's single market after Brexit.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44038476
Time for these old duffers to pack their bags and sod off. :yep:
Jimbuna
05-09-18, 07:44 AM
Some pundits are saying Corbyn won PMQ's by a margin of 6-0 but IMO it was the usual non-event.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44054676
Some pundits are saying Corbyn won PMQ's by a margin of 6-0 but IMO it was the usual non-event.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44054676
Won what? The reason PM May was treading on egg shells was Corbyn was asking questions to reports that have not been released yet. PM May could not really give a direct answer. Info SKY News.
Did you see his parrot giving it large next to him, must have fed her extra millet.
The award for dimbat suck up goes that Tory MP sucking up on the council results.
Skybird
05-09-18, 03:49 PM
Yeah, something like that but UKIP have achieved what they initially set out to do, forcing a referendum on UK membership of the EU.
Kamikaze.
Jimbuna
05-10-18, 06:10 AM
Yeah, you could say that :03:
Anger at Labour 'stitch-up' over Lewisham East candidate selection
Critics claim the process for choosing a by-election candidate is at odds with Jeremy Corbyn's promise to democratise the party.https://news.sky.com/story/anger-at-labour-stitch-up-over-lewisham-east-candidate-selection-11366236
Richard Angell, director of pressure group Progress, said: "In a by-election with little risk of losing, in Labour London, in a seat with a 21,123 majority, why are the Momentum NEC officers drawing up a by-election behind closed doors?"
Good question. :arrgh!:
Jeremy Corbyn will commit "a serious evasion of duty" if he does not change his stance on Brexit, former Labour leader Lord Kinnock has said.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44092538
Jeremy Corbyn has called for navy shipbuilding contracts to stay in the UK in a speech in Glasgow.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44074894
I have to agree.
Jimbuna
05-12-18, 08:47 AM
Meanwhile, SNP MSP Bill Kidd said Mr Corbyn had a "brass neck coming to Glasgow to make more empty statements on shipbuilding".
He added: "Workers on the Clyde and people across Scotland haven't forgotten Labour's betrayal of the industry in 2014 - making promises they couldn't keep in order to shore up votes in their grubby alliance with the Tories."
Old JC obviously has selective memory loss and one could easily add to the above that more pits closed under Labour rule than under Tory rule.
Poundworld 'put up for sale' after expressions of interesthttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44093731
Don't tell PM May as the country is doing well. :03:
Jimbuna
05-14-18, 11:38 AM
Extremely saddened but not surprised to learn of the death of Tessa Jowell today.
RIP Tessa, you were certainly one of the most sincere politicians I had the honour of meeting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44106894
Jimbuna
05-17-18, 08:35 AM
John Bercow investigation blocked by MP standards committee.
An investigation into allegations of bullying by Commons Speaker John Bercow has been voted against by a committee of MPs.
The standards committee voted by three to two that Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards Kathryn Stone should not hold the investigation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44148019
So much for transparency :hmmm:
Neil Hamilton has been ousted as UKIP group leader in the Welsh Assembly.
The former Conservative MP has been replaced by Caroline Jones.
It comes after a day of wrangling over the Mid and West Wales AM's future at the helm of the group, and after reports of a heated meeting of the party's AMs on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-44152343
May have something to do with him being a bit of a nutcase. :doh:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44148019
So much for transparency :hmmm:
Plot thickens jim..
Commons Speaker John Bercow has acknowledged that "strong and differing views were expressed" in the House of Commons, after claims he called a cabinet minister "a stupid woman".
The Daily Telegraph reported he made the comments about Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom under his breath.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44163727
Jimbuna
05-18-18, 09:35 AM
He currently has a great deal of support but that would soon evaporate should a formal investigation be instigated.
Hence no formal investigation me suspects.
He currently has a great deal of support but that would soon evaporate should a formal investigation be instigated.
Hence no formal investigation me suspects.
We have been down this road before and nothing came of it. Teflon works you know. :03:
UKIP has no future and should fold if the right Brexit deal is done, the party's former leader in Wales has said.
MEP Nathan Gill said the party "could have been amazing" in Wales but had achieved nothing - due to internal rows.
Mr Gill, who quit the assembly after infighting, said if Brexit was done properly UKIP would be "dead".http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-44187815
UKIP died the second Nigel stepped down, even when he came back it was clear the party was over with the in fighting in their NEC. They are dead party that will not drop dead.
Russian leader Vladimir Putin and his allies are continuing to use London as a base for their "corrupt assets", according to a foreign affairs committee report.https://news.sky.com/story/mps-scathing-report-says-uk-is-turning-blind-eye-to-putins-dirty-money-11380342
Well Putin and Co did buy London from the Arabs. :03:
Jimbuna
05-21-18, 01:46 PM
Ken Livingstone has said he is resigning from the Labour Party.
The ex-London mayor has been suspended since 2016 in a row over allegations of anti-Semitism following comments he made about Hitler and Zionism.
Mr Livingstone said he did not accept he was guilty of anti-Semitism or bringing Labour into disrepute but his case had become a "distraction" for the party and its political ambitions.
Jeremy Corbyn said it was a sad moment but it was the "right thing to do".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44196298
I'm sorry Ken but you're no longer the man I've known for all these years :nope:
Jimbuna
05-21-18, 01:48 PM
He currently has a great deal of support but that would soon evaporate should a formal investigation be instigated.
Hence no formal investigation me suspects.
Commons Speaker John Bercow has said he "respects all his colleagues" after admitting using the word "stupid" during Commons exchanges.
He said he used the word, reported to have been directed at Commons leader Andrea Leadsom, as a "muttered aside".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44196297
There's only the one person involved in this who is or has been 'stupid'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44196298
I'm sorry Ken but you're no longer the man I've known for all these years :nope:
Well this is a right turn around from Ken, only last week on the radio he said he was staying and fighting on and backs jezzer to the hilt. :hmmm:
News from LBC..Ken could be reinstated latter this year. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
05-22-18, 12:54 PM
A Conservative MP has made a formal complaint to the Commons standards watchdog Kathryn Stone about the behaviour of Speaker John Bercow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44208858
Looks like this one isn't going to go away.
Voter ID: 340 did not vote after failing to show documentshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44197338
No need to turn me away I did not vote for any of these numb nuts here. The way its going I may not vote again so you can stick the ID proof. :O:
Voters think the House of Lords is outdated, out of touch and wrong to thwart Brexit, poll reveals
Poll shows 76 per cent of voters say peers are out of tune with the general public
The House of Lords has angered Britons with recent defeats on the Brexit bill
Peers have defied conventions over voting in line with a Government manifesto
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5759969/Poll-reveals-voters-think-House-Lords-outdated-touch-wrong-thwart-Brexit.html
I know this is the DM bog roll but this is just about a poll.
I have been saying for over 30 years to scrap the HoL's and massive reform of the HoC's and still nothing. This poll means nothing even if it was 99% public or 100%. Parliament thinks they know best and we the little people should shut up and go away.
Boris Johnson says he would like 'Brexit plane' to travel the worldhttps://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-says-he-would-like-brexit-plane-to-travel-the-world-11382346
You want it Boris you pay for it and all the running costs as well you loony. :doh:
Catfish
05-23-18, 05:02 AM
It is all a game, when you grow up like this.
To spare some promised money for the NHS, he may screw some wings on this red bus and take a fly towards Europe, from the Dover cliffs.
Jimbuna
05-23-18, 07:19 AM
Labour is in the "worst of both worlds" on Brexit and will suffer at the ballot box, according to Tony Blair.
The former Labour prime minister said the party's position was not appealing to either Leave or Remain voters.
He claimed people now have a "greater understanding" of Brexit and that supporting another EU referendum would win over both sides.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44208481
Do people still listen to this has been?
There is absolutely no party I can vote for here in the UK and still look at my self in the mirror the next morning. I'm done.
Jimbuna
05-24-18, 05:34 AM
What is left to agree in the Brexit Treaty?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44125197
Taxes are going to have to rise to pay for the NHS if the UK is to avoid "a decade of misery" in which the old, sick and vulnerable are let down, say experts.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies and Health Foundation said the NHS would need an extra 4% a year - or £2,000 per UK household - for the next 15 years.
It said the only realistic way this could be paid for was by tax rises. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44230033Someone is telling a pack of lies, who?
PMQ's PM May hit back at Jezzer about years of Labour scaremongering about the Tories whom PM May said have put money into the NHS.
I know who is to blame, its the whole stinking lot at Westminster using the NHS as a political point scoring ball.
There is absolutely no party I can vote for here in the UK and still look at my self in the mirror the next morning. I'm done.
I was disgusted at my candidates in the local elections this year, not a single leaflet or visit to the door and they think I should vote for them! Clear off, you lot can not be bothered with me putting your case forward then nuts to them and I stayed in and not voted.
@Steed, I would really like to vote for some one, Its not that I don't care - but there is no one that I find remotely credible or believable. I live in a Conservative strong hold anyway so it would make no real difference given the way the system works.
@Steed, I would really like to vote for some one, Its not that I don't care - but there is no one that I find remotely credible or believable. I live in a Conservative strong hold anyway so it would make no real difference given the way the system works.
Oh I agree, I try to vote but as pointed out in my last post the Con/Lab/Lib and Greens failed so they can go and spin. I'm a swing voter with no loyalty to any political party making me more important to them to get my vote. And just to add same here blue all the way from top to bottom where I live.
Jimbuna
05-25-18, 05:56 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44230033Someone is telling a pack of lies, who?
PMQ's PM May hit back at Jezzer about years of Labour scaremongering about the Tories whom PM May said have put money into the NHS.
I know who is to blame, its the whole stinking lot at Westminster using the NHS as a political point scoring ball.
Nah, you're simply scared taxes will rise and you'll have to start paying some :haha:
The NHS is completely unsustainable in its current form.
What gets on my nerves is in the UK when people throw around the phrase 'free health care'
There is no such thing, some one has to pay for it, Individuals, Insurance companies, taxpayers or government borrowing (tomorrows taxpayers). Its never free.
'Affordable health care' is a better term
Jimbuna
05-25-18, 07:30 AM
*Playing devils advocate* Taking into consideration there are a great many out there with extremely low incomes, means tested may be an option to consider but then the dilemna is what criteria and outcome levels would be applied.
I think the only fair way is as it was intended....free for all.
I've not really looked in to all the ins and outs, but its costing what? 124 billion a year now? thats about about a quarter of the governments annual budget isn't it? - yet its still under funded.
Maybe its badly managed and it doesn't help the uk population has doubled since 1980, (bearing in mind most are taking out more than they individually put in)
and we have an aging population on top of that.
I don't want the NHS to go as much as the next guy, but something will have to give sooner or later.
Jimbuna
05-26-18, 09:34 AM
Scotland 'would keep pound' in years after independence
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44237957
Under those circumstances Scotland would have to accept monetary policy and interest rates set by the Bank of England without any concern for the economic circumstances in Scotland :doh:
Catfish
05-26-18, 09:41 AM
I do not think Scotland really strives for indepencence.. i guess they use the threat to have a better position in negotiating their position in the UK's future :hmmm:
Jimbuna
05-26-18, 09:54 AM
^ you may well be right because my current understanding is that the Scots are tired of the independance rhetoric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtpk0dH9LJM
Jeremy Corbyn puts Labour on 'permanent notice' for snap general electionhttps://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-puts-labour-on-permanent-notice-for-snap-general-election-11385295
The People.....DO NOT WANT ANOTHER SNAP GENERAL ELECTION!
Jezzer and his loonies confirm they are barking mad.
Heheh, nice one Steed (Video) :haha:
Jimbuna
05-27-18, 06:24 AM
Talks between the UK and the European Union need to "speed up" if a deal on a future relationship can be made in time for Brexit, the EU's negotiator says.
Speaking in Lisbon, Michel Barnier said the UK needed to stop playing "hide and seek" and instead clarify its demands.
Earlier this week, UK officials warned the EU that its approach to Brexit negotiations risked damaging its security and economic relationship.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44266857
It would appear that both parties have once again strayed into the political minefield of accusations and counter-accusations.
Place your bets for a botched brexit now..:03:
Jimbuna
05-28-18, 06:44 AM
Take it to the extreme and some might say there won't be an EU left to exit from in 3 1/2 years time.
Catfish
05-28-18, 07:08 AM
^ But who will the UK blame, after this? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
05-28-18, 07:10 AM
^ Anyone but themselves, you can bet on that :yep:
Catfish
05-28-18, 07:15 AM
Then they have a lot in common with the EU :haha:
Jimbuna
05-28-18, 07:17 AM
True that :03:
Leading Conservative Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has rejected press speculation he is planning to challenge Theresa May for the party leadership.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44270966
No one will challenge PM May as they don't want the Brexit burden.
Jimbuna
05-29-18, 05:46 AM
Boost foreign secretary's powers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44288772
Oh for the love of God!! :o
Don't put the lunatic in charge of the asylum :nope:
Caroline Lucas is to step down as the co-leader of the Green Party of England and Wales in September.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44297817
Hey jim job for you. :03:
A group of major European companies has warned the Prime Minister they may cut investment without more clarity over the terms of Britain's EU exit.
Business leaders, including from BP, BMW, Nestle, and Vodafone, told Theresa May that "time is running out".
In a statement after the Downing Street meeting, they said that a trade deal with the EU must be "frictionless as with a customs union".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44310224
https://www.louisville.com/sites/default/files/u4027/animated-clock3_0.gif
Jimbuna
05-31-18, 06:33 AM
We are well into the game of 'chicken' now but the EU are supposedly desparate for our £40 million and our position is clear (as far as I'm aware)....no deal, no money.
The UK must not allow President Trump to "bully" his trading partners, the shadow international trade secretary has said, amid fears of a looming trade war over US tariffs on metals imports.
Labour's Barry Gardiner said the move to impose levies on aluminium and steel from Europe was "based on a lie".http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44326627
Well then the Labour party should get on with Trump with all their lies.
Jimbuna
06-01-18, 07:41 AM
#7924 should have read 'billion' and not 'million'
Nigel Farage is to embark on a speaking tour of Australia, an experience his promoter promises will be "immersive and brag-worthy at the highest level".http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44332733
Watch out Reece here comes Nigel..Boom boom. :03:
Jimbuna
06-02-18, 07:29 AM
Lord Lawson has been accused of hypocrisy by anti-Brexit campaigners after it emerged he is applying for a French residency card.
The Conservative peer, who chaired the Vote Leave campaign, said he had started the "tiresome" paperwork to prove he is legally resident in France.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44313941
Had to re-read this to be sure I wasn't involved in any misunderstanding :doh:
Jimbuna
06-02-18, 09:33 AM
The UK must submit written proposals on how it plans to keep a frictionless Irish border after Brexit in the next two weeks, Ireland's foreign minister has said.
Simon Coveney said if that does not happen the UK will face an uncertain summer of talks.
Both the UK and EU say they are committed to keeping the Irish border open after Brexit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44342590
Not sure how this one will pan out but whatever is eventually decided it will have to be most innovative.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44313941
Had to re-read this to be sure I wasn't involved in any misunderstanding :doh:
So bloody what, am I going to throw the book at remainers who flee the UK when we leave the UK? No, do what you want.
Sod this dire tripe and get on with it.
Jimbuna
06-03-18, 07:24 AM
Key parts of the UK's immigration policy - including on foreign students and doctors coming to the UK - are be reviewed, the home secretary has said.
Sajid Javid told the BBC there was a "perception problem" over the decision to include students in net migration figures.
And he said he would "think more carefully" about the cap on the number of skilled workers given visas.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44346900
I'm all for that and would like to see a points system as used by some other countries put into operation.
If you have a skill that is in demand then you've more chance of gaining entry.
Jimbuna
06-04-18, 03:03 PM
The EU Withdrawal Bill will return to the House of Commons for a series of crunch votes on 12 June, it has been announced.
The legislation suffered 15 defeats in the House of Lords, which will now be debated by MPs.
Numbers are tight with the Tories needing the support of the Democratic Unionist Party for a majority.
Conservative MPs have been told to be on site "at all times" during the day of the votes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44360020
I'm not yet convinced the PM will get the support she so desparately needs :hmmm:
Jimbuna
06-05-18, 12:57 PM
Heathrow Airport: Cabinet approves new runway plan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44357580
About time too....it'll still not be operational until approximately 2026 though.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44346900
I'm all for that and would like to see a points system as used by some other countries put into operation.
If you have a skill that is in demand then you've more chance of gaining entry.
I think that's what most sane people want.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44346900
I'm all for that and would like to see a points system as used by some other countries put into operation.
If you have a skill that is in demand then you've more chance of gaining entry.
Long over due.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44360020
I'm not yet convinced the PM will get the support she so desparately needs :hmmm:
And add to the mix Labour's soft brexit.
Heathrow Airport: Cabinet approves new runway plan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44357580
About time too....it'll still not be operational until approximately 2026 though.
Too late and out of date, when it goes on line they will find its too late. Better start campaigning for yet another one now.
Catfish
06-06-18, 05:49 AM
^ regarding airports or runways.. Berlin could use some advice :03::haha:
Brexit will cause a new ice age.
Regarding its diplomatic consequences, yes. :03:
Heathrow Airport: Cabinet approves new runway plan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44357580
About time too....it'll still not be operational until approximately 2026 though.
They should upgrade London city airport - Its a bit like taking off from an aircraft carrier :O:
http://hotelsbrit.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/london-city-airport-view.jpg
Just tarmac the crappy o2 and build it there :P
Old JC duffed up PM May today at PMQ's. May failed to answer any of his questions and did her normal deflection stance. Many are saying PM May is the worst PM ever and Brexit will be her downfall. We shall see if Brexit will bring her down.
Old JC duffed up PM May today at PMQ's. May failed to answer any of his questions and did her normal deflection stance. Many are saying PM May is the worst PM ever and Brexit will be her downfall. We shall see if Brexit will bring her down.
She is a disaster, she should be gone already after the last election..
IMO JC is a nice guy but he is weak, naive and an ideologue,
dismantling most of his arguments shouldn't be THAT difficult.
Jimbuna
06-07-18, 05:14 AM
Not disagreeing with the comments regarding May but I fear who might replace her.
As for Corbyn.....I can only repeat what I have previously stated....I cancelled a membership of just over 25 years as a Labour Party member the day after he became the leader and shall never forgive Margaret Beckett for what she more or less started.
I doubt she'll ever forgive herself either :)
Catfish
06-07-18, 07:54 AM
So is there any other reason for you to be against Corbyn, than his former life and what he did in Ireland? :hmmm:
I am not sure whether i understand that right, on one hand "one does not negotiate with terrorists". On the other hand it is obvious for the rest of the world, that what England did to Ireland (and other parts of the Commonwealth, and the colonies) was neither legal by international law, nor did it (mostly) end in a good relationship.
Jimbuna
06-07-18, 09:17 AM
He is a far left socialist, anti-royalist, supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah and believe it or not during his years in politics he has voted with the Tories over forty times against the EU.
I could go on but where I see no good I think it best to say as least as possible but I come from a proud working class background, have worked since leaving school at the age of sixteen and have been fortunate enough to enjoy some lucrative salaries because of my engineering qualifications and during service to my country (some people would disagree with that part but a LEO IMHO certainly serves the community at the very least) and as such I have hard worked for investments and an inflation proof pension.
Corbyn would say those are the meanderings of a Tory but how wrong he would be, David Miliband (former Labour Foreign Secretary) is a personal aquaintance of mine and we both share similar opinions.
Current Labour policies under Corbyn lean very much toward those who........
Best if I stop there I think but I would certainly consider rejoining the party should someone sensible take the reigns of leadership.
Catfish
06-07-18, 10:50 AM
^ Thank you, now i think(!) i understand. :salute:
So it has not so much to do with his 'the troubles' background, as with his recent or general attitude, and opinion?
You do not get too much background here about him, maybe should start reading UK info about him to make up an own opinion :hmmm:
So is there any other reason for you to be against Corbyn, than his former life and what he did in Ireland? :hmmm:
How about he and his ilk (Mcdonnell in particular) worship an ideology that repeatedly though out history, resulted in tyranny, famine and genocide.
Yet they use the consistent excuse of, "oh it just wasn't done properly"
They push for more censorship & language policing to 'protect peoples feelings' of course. They support Middle class post modern Identity politics garbage (intended to raise up the marginalized) but in fact does nothing but divide people in to resentful bitter groups (along racial, religious and gendered lines,) - Imo they just use those they deem as 'the marginalized' as leverage to gain power all under the guise of progressive middle class empathy.
The far left drive to make society 'equal' inevitably ends up the same way - capital flight and the march towards mediocrity via dragging everyone down the lowest common denominator.
Labour do not give a monkeys about the working classes they used to stand up for, they now seem to despise them for being lazy ignorant, uneducated, xenophobic slobs with 'white privilege' where applicable.
The tories don't give a damn about the working class either, but Labour have fallen so far in to the swamp of Momentums Marxist activism, that many working class have switched to voting for the toffee nosed blues!, that really takes some doing!
Do you need more or.....?
Don't get me wrong I got nothing against having some socialist policies, and a dose of Labour might well be good for the NHS, schools and social housing. But I don't trust ideologues who pitch enforced equality of outcome and privilege/oppression theory - while opposing classic liberal principles and meritocracy (two things that actually made the UK a half decent place to live.)
Labour are dead to me.
Boris Johnson calls for more 'guts' in Brexit talkshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44407771
Too bloody right, get the Donald that should make things more interesting. :03:
Jimbuna
06-08-18, 06:13 AM
How about he and his ilk (Mcdonnell in particular) worship an ideology that repeatedly though out history, resulted in tyranny, famine and genocide.
Yet they use the consistent excuse of, "oh it just wasn't done properly"
They push for more censorship & language policing to 'protect peoples feelings' of course. They support Middle class post modern Identity politics garbage (intended to raise up the marginalized) but in fact does nothing but divide people in to resentful bitter groups (along racial, religious and gendered lines,) - Imo they just use those they deem as 'the marginalized' as leverage to gain power all under the guise of progressive middle class empathy.
The far left drive to make society 'equal' inevitably ends up the same way - capital flight and the march towards mediocrity via dragging everyone down the lowest common denominator.
Labour do not give a monkeys about the working classes they used to stand up for, they now seem to despise them for being lazy ignorant, uneducated, xenophobic slobs with 'white privilege' where applicable.
The tories don't give a damn about the working class either, but Labour have fallen so far in to the swamp of Momentums Marxist activism, that many working class have switched to voting for the toffee nosed blues!, that really takes some doing!
Do you need more or.....?
Don't get me wrong I got nothing against having some socialist policies, and a dose of Labour might well be good for the NHS, schools and social housing. But I don't trust ideologues who pitch enforced equality of outcome and privilege/oppression theory - while opposing classic liberal principles and meritocracy (two things that actually made the UK a half decent place to live.)
Labour are dead to me.
Very well put, far more detailed than I could have gone into :yep:
A year on from the snap election and what have we got?
LibDems still lost in the woods, PM May weaker than ever and it shows, I picked up on some info her cabinet is so divided over Brexit she has broken the cabinet down even further on this one. Brexit could be her downfall. The cress of the wave old Jezzer has been riding on has gone and in most PMQ's he fails to deliver, granted the last one was a rare one. The Conservatives are deeply divided over Brexit and Labour has a number of its own problems going on.
The cold fact is this...All three party's are unfit for government and should not be trusted. My advice is not to vote for any of them as it stands at the moment.
Jimbuna
06-09-18, 08:03 AM
Boris Johnson calls for more 'guts' in Brexit talks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44407771
It's really about time to got this monkey/clown off her back.
Just a pity she isn't strong enough to do it.
Jimbuna
06-09-18, 08:05 AM
Detailed plans on the UK's post-Brexit future will not be published until after this month's EU summit.
Theresa May will summon senior ministers to an away day at Chequers in July to settle details of the white paper and find a common way forward.
With ministers aiming to complete the negotiations by October, many had expected the plans to be released earlier.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44420045
Long overdue Mrs May. Put your cards on the table and leet us see what you've got.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44407771
It's really about time to got this monkey/clown off her back.
Just a pity she isn't strong enough to do it.
I'm with Boris on this one, that last document released by PM May a few days ago was a joke. The EU laughed at it and why? Full of if's but's and maybe's. I fear we are heading for the worst Brexit ever from this weak washout PM. Stand by people its going to be bloody awful.
Jimbuna
06-10-18, 06:49 AM
Love it or hate, either way, you live in a democratic society and the referendum decided the outcome.
If you're so disatisfied with your country and the leadership try moving somewhere else. How about North Korea? You'll be able to maintain your current taxless position but I'm not sure you'll have or be allowed anything worth taxing and I hear their leadership are turning over a new leaf.
Love it or hate, either way, you live in a democratic society and the referendum decided the outcome.
If you're so disatisfied with your country and the leadership try moving somewhere else. How about North Korea? You'll be able to maintain your current taxless position but I'm not sure you'll have or be allowed anything worth taxing and I hear their leadership are turning over a new leaf.
You do know you just had ago at millions of people who have been lifted out by the government paying tax. That decision was taken by the government of the day not by us millions who have been lifted out of the tax band. :O:
PM May is without question far to weak and the way she has handled Brexit has been a poor show.
A year on from the snap election and what have we got?
LibDems still lost in the woods, PM May weaker than ever and it shows, I picked up on some info her cabinet is so divided over Brexit she has broken the cabinet down even further on this one. Brexit could be her downfall. The cress of the wave old Jezzer has been riding on has gone and in most PMQ's he fails to deliver, granted the last one was a rare one. The Conservatives are deeply divided over Brexit and Labour has a number of its own problems going on.
The cold fact is this...All three party's are unfit for government and should not be trusted. My advice is not to vote for any of them as it stands at the moment.
:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
May should really have gone after the last election result. I guess she (and the Tories in general) got too cocky about their pre-election poll lead - going by that dire manifesto.
Jimbuna
06-12-18, 08:49 AM
You do know you just had ago at millions of people who have been lifted out by the government paying tax. That decision was taken by the government of the day not by us millions who have been lifted out of the tax band. :O:
I envy you actually you lucky bugga but one thing that does annoy me is the fact that because I retired at the age of 52, I am three years short on NI contributions to receive a full state pension (£12 per week less than the wife will recive) and to make up the difference I am required to pay £2500 approximately.
Stll being 5+ years away from state retirement age I've yet to decide whether or not to make up the shortfall because you need to be in receipt of the pension for three years before you break even.
Jimbuna
06-12-18, 08:52 AM
PM May is without question far to weak and the way she has handled Brexit has been a poor show.
The next two days of debating and voting on the EU Withdrawal Bill may prove crucial for her.
Personally, I think she'll survive because even the Tory remoaners fear the alternative....a Corbyn (one of the biggest anti EU donkeys in the stable) led government.
Well, at least you get a state pension Jim, I don't reckon it will exist when I hit retirement in 25-30 years :P
Jimbuna
06-13-18, 06:45 AM
Well, at least you get a state pension Jim, I don't reckon it will exist when I hit retirement in 25-30 years :P
I should imagine scrapping the state pension would be the death knell for any government contemplating it.
My main worry is if the rules changed whereby only those not in receipt of an alternative would be the only ones to receive a state pension.
I envy you actually you lucky bugga but one thing that does annoy me is the fact that because I retired at the age of 52, I am three years short on NI contributions to receive a full state pension (£12 per week less than the wife will recive) and to make up the difference I am required to pay £2500 approximately.
Stll being 5+ years away from state retirement age I've yet to decide whether or not to make up the shortfall because you need to be in receipt of the pension for three years before you break even.
I too will be facing this situation as a non Tax/NI contributor when I get to retire in 15 odd years time. In my case jim I like the job I'm doing and the hours as well, in the terms of my rotten sciatica and knee and upper Back pain I'm able now take less pain killers by having more rest up time. I would rather do full time but I pretty sure I would be hooked on pain killers and in a poorer state health wise.
I do agree with you as you seem to me worked all your life and find out you got a short fall no fault of your own. Trouble is jim until you hit the state retirement age I don't think there is much you can do about it other than cough up the short fall.
I know I will not be able to when the time comes but hopefully I will be at the retirement age when I can bang on the DHSS desk and see if I can get any benefits. But that will be years away and the whole system would have been changed a few times by then.
Well, at least you get a state pension Jim, I don't reckon it will exist when I hit retirement in 25-30 years :P
I feel the way its going it will but to make it less of a blow it will hit those who have yet to be born while slowly facing it out on certain age groups.
I was going to be off for a break as i got things to do but it all kicked off today at Westminster. I agree with the media the SNP walkout was a stunt and they will not be able to pull that off again, that said news info suggests both Cons and Lab were doing a number on the SNP directly or indirectly.
PM May is all over the place trying to please the remainers and brexiteers which is weakness and no doubt the EU has seen this. Yes PM May has won the votes at the time of me posting this comment but she is far from standing on solid ground. I see Jezzer got a bit of surprise from his side going against him, Labour like the Tories are a long way from being united.
I should imagine scrapping the state pension would be the death knell for any government contemplating it.
My main worry is if the rules changed whereby only those not in receipt of an alternative would be the only ones to receive a state pension.
Possibly yes, But it will have to go eventually as its not sustainable, given our demographics. more than quarter of the governments budget goes on social protection - most of that being state pension, and it will keep growing for the foreseeable future. I'm betting they will start by raising the bar as to the retirement age and earnings threshold. So less people will qualify, they will probably try to transition it, e.g encouraging the next generation to set up private pension schemes etc. If they remove it slowly enough, few will complain. - That would be the Tory way and anyway -quiet and sneaky dismantling, lots of: 'shh oh look there's something more interesting over there!'.
The Labour version would be keep it going, prop it up with borrowing and continued mass immigration until it all implodes (likely during a major economic /sovereign debt crisis where our grandchildren / children of immigrants will decide they've had enough.)
Skybird
06-14-18, 04:27 AM
A slow shift towards something new is in order - now, while we still have - maybe - a small remain of control and influence. The social wellfare state as we know it, is unsustainable.
Preferrably we start relaising that the problem also is the idea and concept of a state itself. Becasue we cannot hold a state accountable. When state mismanaged something - and it does that a lot - it has no consequences for "state". It cannot be sued. Also, state can at any time - and always does so, all the time - uniliaterally chnage the terms and conditoons of its relation to "citizens". Whereas citizens in return cannot do that.
Needless to say that those thinking they benefit from "state", support it. Thats why there is a professional officialdom. But if you think about it: its nothing else but bribery, at the cost of the non-officials. And there is nothing that "state" that could not be provided by private service providers as well. Even settling of legal disputes. Even police work. Even military defence.
In the end, every state is just a giant wallow of corruption, bribery, and looting that legitimises itself by forming a mob that is stronger than the other mobs. What rules is the law of the jungle. And nobody knows that better than the state itself.
Reason alone obviously is not sufficient to make people understand this in huge numbers. So - once again - they will need to be lectured by reality cracking down on them. My pity will be extremely limited. Pain and suffering are the best teachers.
Jimbuna
06-14-18, 07:25 AM
Possibly yes, But it will have to go eventually as its not sustainable, given our demographics. more than quarter of the governments budget goes on social protection - most of that being state pension, and it will keep growing for the foreseeable future. I'm betting they will start by raising the bar as to the retirement age and earnings threshold. So less people will qualify, they will probably try to transition it, e.g encouraging the next generation to set up private pension schemes etc. If they remove it slowly enough, few will complain. - That would be the Tory way and anyway -quiet and sneaky dismantling, lots of: 'shh oh look there's something more interesting over there!'.
The Labour version would be keep it going, prop it up with borrowing and continued mass immigration until it all implodes (likely during a major economic /sovereign debt crisis where our grandchildren / children of immigrants will decide they've had enough.)
Just for the benefit of any members following this 'pension' part of the discussion.
1995 - women's state pension age to be equalised
Following pressure from Europe, the Conservative Government was forced to announce plans to equalise state pension age for men and women. The timetable was the most relaxed possible and would raise pension age for women to 65 slowly from April 2010 to April 2020.
2007 - further rises in pension age to 66, 67, and then 68 introduced
The Labour Government passed a new law to raise state pension age to 66 between April 2024 and April 2026, then to 67 between April 2034 and April 2036 and to 68 between April 2044 and April 2046.
http://www.web40571.clarahost.co.uk/statepensionage/SPA_history.htm
Jimbuna
06-14-18, 07:31 AM
At long last, some common sense regarding immigration.
The government is to relax immigration rules to allow more non-EU skilled workers into the UK.
On Friday, the Home Office is expected to confirm that foreign doctors and nurses will be excluded from the government's visa cap.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44477095
At long last, some common sense regarding immigration.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44477095
That seems sensible enough, but 'brain drain' is thing too. We have our own home grown doctors and yet we need more from other nations too, do those nations still have enough trained doctors for themselves? and if so why/how are they producing more than us?
I dunno its weird how people will argue for immigration based on the need for more NHS doctors, surely the elephant(s) in the room, is that we aren't producing enough doctors & nurses or - we are and they just don't want to work for the NHS because its horrible.
Fixing a nations skills shortage with migrants, should be considered a band aid or gap plug rather than a proper sustainable solution.
The current model begs the question, what are we going to do the day skilled migrants no longer want to come here for what ever reason?
E.g housing shortage, wages vs cost of living, economy tanks, political climate etc.
Jimbuna
06-15-18, 05:57 AM
That seems sensible enough, but 'brain drain' is thing too. We have our own home grown doctors and yet we need more from other nations too, do those nations still have enough trained doctors for themselves? and if so why/how are they producing more than us?
I dunno its weird how people will argue for immigration based on the need for more NHS doctors, surely the elephant(s) in the room, is that we aren't producing enough doctors & nurses or - we are and they just don't want to work for the NHS because its horrible.
Fixing a nations skills shortage with migrants, should be considered a band aid or gap plug rather than a proper sustainable solution.
The current model begs the question, what are we going to do the day skilled migrants no longer want to come here for what ever reason?
E.g housing shortage, wages vs cost of living, economy tanks, political climate etc.
Some fair and valid points but it has worked for Canada, Australia and New Zealand to name a few.
My understanding is that a growing number of our trained medical staff prefer to go abroad once qualified for higher renumeration packages and a higher standard of living.
Jimbuna
06-18-18, 01:28 PM
Households could be left up to £1,000 a year worse off because of Brexit trade barriers, a report will suggest.
Global consultancy firm Oliver Wyman will say that under the most negative scenario of high import tariffs and high regulatory barriers the cost to the economy could total £27bn.
Business profits for supermarkets and restaurants could be wiped out because of supply chain disruption.
A rise in costs would likely be passed on to consumers, the report will argue.
The analysis, to be published next week and seen by the BBC, will make clear that even under the most favourable scenario of no tariffs and few regulatory barriers, there are likely to be increased "red tape" costs.
It will suggest that increased paperwork and delays for customs checks are likely to increase household costs by 1% a year, or £250 per household. The total cost to the economy would be £6.8bn.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44511829
This looks quite alarming if it turns out to be true :hmmm:
Jimbuna
06-19-18, 12:33 PM
The UK will be kicked out of the European Arrest Warrant deal after Brexit, EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said.
The warrant allows EU members to request the arrest and detention of criminals in other countries without extradition talks between them.
The UK wants to stay part of the system when it leaves the EU next March.
But Mr Barnier said the UK could not, because of its desire to leave the EU's court and free movement scheme.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44532500
Now here's the real rub....so much and so many rules intertwined :doh:
Okay, no problem we'll continue to govern our own people and observe and make our own laws and you lot can stop being ever more reliant on our security services.
Jimbuna
06-21-18, 08:14 AM
The Bank of England has held interest rates but signalled an August rate rise is more likely than previously thought.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44562162
Yes please.
em2nought
06-21-18, 10:00 AM
Some fair and valid points but it has worked for Canada, Australia and New Zealand to name a few.
My understanding is that a growing number of our trained medical staff prefer to go abroad once qualified for higher renumeration packages and a higher standard of living.
Maybe now that Cuba has the Obama stamp of approval you can get some coyotes to bring some Cuban doctors to you from the hell holes where they've been sold into a form of slavery. I'm sure they'd be happy to get all their pay instead of having the Cuban government get three quarters of it. :03:
Jimbuna
06-22-18, 06:34 AM
Holyrood will not give consent to any further Brexit legislation until the "broken" devolution system is fixed, Scotland's Brexit Minister has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44565070
Hardly surprising and I should imagine a new independence campaign will commence shortly after brexit.
Just popped in before the heatwave strikes, not much going on at the HoC apart from the usual BS and backstabbing along with Scotland and Wales having a bitch session.
I will be back when the heat wave breaks, when that will happen no idea as the weather forecasters keep gloating how hot its going to be a possible records will be smashed.
Jimbuna
06-24-18, 05:52 AM
Some call it 'Broken record' syndrome.
"Britain to be hotter that Spain!"
....Checks the weather in Spain
....about 25 degrees or something
ok then....
Our weather forecast is about as accurate as a V1 flying bomb.
Jimbuna
06-25-18, 10:35 AM
Who was it that said he'd lie down in front of the bulldozers to prevent the building of a third Heathrow runway yet happens to be conveniently abroad during the parliamentary vote on the matter today?
Answer: Most certainly a clown but I'm not sure if his name is Ronald McDonald :hmmm:
Jimbuna
06-26-18, 01:50 PM
Boris Johnson has refused to deny claims he used an expletive when asked about business concerns about Brexit.
The foreign secretary is reported to have used the swear word at a diplomatic gathering last week.
Asked about this in the Commons, he said he may have "expressed scepticism about some of the views of those who profess to speak up for business".
Theresa May said it was right the government listened to business voices about the terms of the UK's exit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44618154
This clown just can't keep his mouth shut :nope:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC2b5XkQQvY
Its almost not even satire.
Jimbuna
06-29-18, 06:04 AM
I remember it well :)
https://s.faketrumptweet.com/jj1p4u6r_g6cvdg_uerxhm.png
Oh I so wish...:) :03:
Catfish
06-30-18, 02:20 PM
^ Probably the best for all, if you would only do it eventually. :haha:
Jimbuna
07-01-18, 06:57 AM
^
^
Possibly from that fake tweet meme creator :hmmm:
https://faketrumptweet.com/fake-tweet/jidkbke7_167yrn3_1chzz5i
It is, a mate sent it to me. I think the wall bit was a give away. :03:
Jimbuna
07-02-18, 02:31 PM
Theresa May has insisted the UK will leave the customs union and single market while maintaining a "close relationship" with the EU after Brexit.
Updating MPs on negotiations, she urged the EU to consider her blueprint for future relations - due to be published next week - "seriously".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44671507
Looking forward to seeing just what is in the document.
Catfish
07-02-18, 03:05 PM
Biggest problem as expected is the irish border, and it does not look like there's any advance :hmmm:
So appx. 50 percent felt overwhelmed by those bloody foreigners while it does not seem to be really an issue, and this gut feeling is worth all that hazzle.
OT for UK: And I am really tired of this right wing neonazi AfD in Germany, just brazen lies and propaganda. They can take their hate and racism and shove it up their donkey!!! I would re-introduce the burning of witches, and then take Mrs Alice Weidel an Beatrix von Storch, and slowly roast them.
Lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv-3Chxwl0A
@ Cat fish, So nations protecting their borders against illegal immigration and wanting to sustain the population are 'Nazis'?
If so - can you name one nation on earth that aren't Nazis? How about China are they nazis too? Iran? India? Brazil?
Its not rocket science, If there is an influx of people of one or two demographics into any nation in a very short space of time - the result in the short term is going to be social upheaval and tribalism.
10-20 years down the line the latter can (hopefully) settle down. But if you want to sustain a peaceful multi cultural society /melting pot, it essential that the flow of migration is controlled, and those arriving are as diverse as possible, thus more likely to integrate with the existing population.
Personally I don't care how ethnically diverse or homogeneous a place is, that is irreverent. so long a people are decent to each other and have common ground. but understand that only reason the western nations want migrants at all - is that governments (faced with dwindling birth rates) need more tax payers to cough up for an otherwise unsustainable system. Corporations love it too because it usually means cheaper labour. Thats it, terms like 'cultural enrichment' are just the way its sold to the masses.
Immigration is also a quick band aid fix for any nation with challenging systemic societal problems (e.g low birth rates and lack of skills,) which never need to be confronted, so long as you keep applying those band aids.
What the west has done in the past 50 years is one giant social/economic experiment. Has it worked? Yes and No.- depends where you cherry pick.
While being overwhelmingly anti immigration is unrealistic in the modern world. Being overwhelmingly Pro migration at this stage is little more than being pro - kick the can down the road.
Western societies have in someways become of the most free, advanced, open and accepting societies, but have also become some of the most apathetic, fattest, laziest, spoiled and infantalised.
Jimbuna
07-03-18, 05:36 AM
To encapsulate the two posts above, for me, it is simple.....forget about race, colour or religion. If you are 'illegal' then you should go or be forcibly removed if all else fails.
Catfish
07-05-18, 03:16 AM
To encapsulate the two posts above, for me, it is simple.....forget about race, colour or religion. If you are 'illegal' then you should go or be forcibly removed if all else fails.
^ Yes this is self-evident, even in the EU.
And England also has those rules, they have never been changed. What changed is you want to put a cap on overall immigration numbers, not distinguishing between those in need, and criminals. Farage and Trump just want to block them all.
Criminal immigrants from other countries can and could always be sent back, or to jail. Where is the change in sovereignty and border control when you just put laws in effect that already exist? IMHO any aggravation and expecially eugenic rhethorics are morally indefensible.
You can say about it what you want, Nigel Farage or Dump's rhethorics are trying to connect adjectives like illegal and criminal to the word immigrant, and they know well that if this is being repeated often enough, people will do it automatically, in their mind.
Of course it is all clad in patriotism, pride, abusing instinctive fear of foreigners. This is why those arsonists are so dangerous. I had just thought 'we' had overcome it.
When Farage had so much success in England and lead to brexit, it was like you ride with a decade-old friend, who suddenly explains he has always been a Nazi and welcomes their views. Wow. Just wow!
Exagerrated of course, and no you are not Nazis, but this is the feeling that most in Europe and obviously around 50 percent of the people in England experienced, after Brexit and Trump. And Victor Orban. And Poland's PiS party. And Turkey. And so on. The bubble bursted. What we had taken for granted never was, and it is all like the 1930ies again.
Whatever comes of it, i doubt the immigrant wave which is already ebbing away will lead to the downfall of the occident. Problems yes, maybe crisis yes (though i still have to see westerners really suffering and starving because of it), but the rest of us will not run away when there's a bit of trouble on the horizon, after decades of prosperity and no wars.
I might add that there is some reason for the migration from e.g. Syriah, or Iraq. I might also add we should just maybe charge those countries who are responsible for that.. and then make up a new bill.
I do not like Merkel, but when it comes to that i have to say just of all this stubborn stance makes me a bit proud. Still we have to carry the can for others' interventions only serving their own selfish policies, economical and political.
Merkel will probably be gone soon, and then Germany still has a lot of right wing racists and Nazis just waiting for their chance.
And what will stay when the immigration crisis is long gone, are the right wingers, the abuse of propaganda, racist hate, and the rough awakening that mankind still consists of uneducated, dumb animals falling for whatever demagogue.
As this german rural proverb says, "Jeden Tag wird 'ne andere Sau durchs Dorf getrieben"
Skybird
07-05-18, 05:28 AM
Some key points on migration.
1. A local population has the right to own its place where it lives in. It thus has any right one wants zto proclaim to decide whom it lets in. And it can say No. Of course it can say No. Nothing illegal, nothing Nazi, nothing immoral in that.
2. There is no general human right to move whereever you want, to stettle whereever you want, to get allowed in whereever you want. Such a human right would be in itself a violation of human rights - those of the local residents.
3. Lets face it, in the end, integration means peaceful, voluntary assimilation. Anything else necessarily means to establish a parallel or sub culture. Maybe about no other detail there is so much sentimkental confusaion about in Europe than about this: if you integrate yourself that means you allow getting assimiliated. Thats what integration is about.
4. One must differentiate between the various migrant groups, not just legally, but especially regarding the cultural background of theirs. Some of these groups give massively higher probabilities for troubles and intentional rejection of integration, than others. The problematic groups best are ignored and left out. Who is not willing to integrate, must leave. Even years later, if integration has seen no substantial improvement.
5. You go to another place - you respect the house rules of the people there, in full. Period. You do not negotiate them. You do not set up demands. You do not commit criminal acts. - You ask. You accept the answer, positive or negative. You walk on somebody else's land - you ask for permission before. His land is not yours. His home is not your home.
6. You do not have claim for the fruits of the labour and maintenance local residents and societies have collected inside their realms where they rule and live. If you are foreign to their lands and people, you have no such claim. Because you did not contribute to forming their place and history. You are an alien. Being an invited guest does not make you a shared property holder.
All the above is true for refugees as well. But unfortunately, political agitators of the left and the mainstream - which nowadays more or less is the same - have made it a tactict to talk of ALL migrants as refugees. Combat rhetorics.
7.Activists are right, nobody can be illegal. That would be nonsense, yes. But the status you have in a foreign established society - that status can be illegal indeed: then when you are staying although not beign invited and being told you have to leave. And that is what its about. Activists should and probably do know that, still use this phrasing. More combat rhetorics.
8. Many Muslim leaders and countries use migration as a weapon, use demography as a weapon. It is planned. The goal is to suck the blood of the better places in this world, and to spread their own influence in those places, and acchieving Islamic dominance. He who still denies this, needs his eyes cleaned out with soap and water.
9. The general asylum right there is now, is invalid. It must be, inherently, naturally. It necessarily must be, because in its current undiscriminatory generalising format it necessarily comes at the cost of violating another human right: the right of the local residents for freedom and the right of the local residents for owning private property. That is violating two of the just three human rights there are. The asylum laws there are now, internationally, must be replaced. Also, granting asylum does not mean automatically to give that person unlimited right to stay. It only means to give that person shelter and supply for a certain limited time. The staying time is finite, asylum does not automatically mean the person gets infinite right to stay forever. You enter hospital, or seek protection from a danger in a police HQ: fine. But you definitely do not make your new home in there, you do not stay forever. Nationalising an asylum seeker neither his is right he cna claim, nor an automatism, in fact it should be individually decided on the grounds of whether or not the asylum seeker is asset or liability for the social system. I understand it to be the exception from the rule. People offering qualifications needed in - in my case - Germany and able to maintain themselves, are welcomed more than people who arte unqualified and unlikely to integrate or unlikely to maintain themselves over the long run.
10. Westerners are not responsible for all the evils in the world. The historical conflicts of tribes in africa, are not their conflicts. The claims of people in the Middle east must not be their command. The West is not the world's servant. Others have the right to want to be where we are. But they have no right to demand beign given a free ride. The path from their status to our status - they have to walk by themselves. And if they cannot because their old tradiitons and views and rites and habits are so dera and precious to them, then this is their decision and it is them who have to face the consequences of their choice. Its not the West's moral duty to catapult everybody else into the 21st century. There were times when this would have been called "imperialism".
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11. And people coming here, cannot be at the same time "there". Their working force to rebuild their countries, is missing. Most of those being allowe din today, will never return. The Syrians beign here, risk their lives if they would return, and Assad already said he doe snot let them in anymore. The longer the stay, the lesser the remainign chance that the foreigner will ever leave again.
12. Official statistics claim just one in four migrants in Germany work, mostly in the low wage sector, I am sceptical about that humber, however. But of these one-in four, around 90% work in jobs that are not future proof, will not survive once the German boom gives up. Then all these success stories that politicians now tell, will turn into stories of net social wellfare receivers. Hooray.
13. More and more people claiming the same material life style like the excessive consummerism in the West - what does this mean for ecological preservation and resource management? Asking this question is considered to be coldhearted and inhumane. But its a decisively important question. We are too many already now. Recycling bottles in Germany and sorting our garbage means nothign in the great scheme of things. Alternative farming misses the needed efficiency to create the high itensity harvests needed to feed such a huge world population. High intensity farming however poisons the groudn water, lowers groudn water levels, poisons the environment, keeps the extinction of species in high gear. Three quarters of the biomass formed by insects is said to have gone since I think the mid or late 70s. Count the flies on your windshield of your car - therwe wont be many, if any. When I was still at school, it was impossible to drive into summer holiday without cleaning the screen twice or three times during the trip.
This migrant stuff, it always gets evaluated on the gorund os pure sentiment and hyperactive "emotionality". That is the worst it can be. He who thinks he can make good decisions while being in a state of roused emotions or moral absolutes, errs: he gets decided.
Jimbuna
07-05-18, 08:03 AM
^ Yes this is self-evident, even in the EU.
And England also has those rules, they have never been changed. What changed is you want to put a cap on overall immigration numbers, not distinguishing between those in need, and criminals. Farage and Trump just want to block them all.
I'm not in the least bit interested in what Farage or Trump spout out, I'm on about taking control of our own borders and who can and cannot enter.
The UK joined the EEC to partake in freedom of trade initially, not what has evolved since, the EU dictating what laws we must adhere to and total freedom of movement (Sky has already adequately explained that).
If someone wants to come to the UK then they should be prepared to meet the criteria of our sovereign government who control our sovereign territory.
The criteria would and should include what skills they have to offer as in 'are they going to be an asset or a liability on an already overstretched welfare system'?
Those at risk in their own country must also be given condideration but every case would be decided on individual merit/circumstances.
I don't take any political side on this matter but the UK will hopefully take back her borders and law making processes soon and it is not before time.
A British rural proverb: "My house, my rules".
All aboard on the buses with JC in yesterday's PMQ's. He had some good points and bad points but once again fell into a hole. I am a bus user and i'm sick of the high fares i have to fork out, unfortunately in my case i fall short of any benefit getting a weekly or monthly pass as i would have to use the buses more than i do now.
Sailor Steve
07-05-18, 09:27 AM
Sky, I agree with most of your points, but I have a problem with the second one.
2. There is no general human right to move whereever you want, to stettle whereever you want, to get allowed in whereever you want. Such a human right would be in itself a violation of human rights - those of the local residents.
The problem I have here is with the concept of the community having rights over the individual. I agree, people as individuals and as a group do have a right to defend themselves, and this is especially true where the newcomers seem to have a tendency toward violence. It's just that I've seen that same argument used against groups who were harmless, on the basis that "they" are trouble by their very nature, or that "they" need to be controlled on moral grounds. The target changes depending on the circumstances, but the argument is used to keep out all sorts of "undesirables" - Italians, Irish, Jews, Blacks, Homosexuals - you name it. The reasons vary, but the argument remains the same: "We as a group have the right to say who can be a part of our community and who can't".
I'm not saying you're wrong, because I don't know that to be the case. I am pointing out what I've observed and continue to observe.
Bleiente
07-05-18, 10:17 AM
The UK joined the EEC to partake in freedom of trade initially, ...
Personally, I find it a pity that the UK wants to break out of the EU.
It will be really bad for the simple and thus largest population of Britannia, since they then have to make this decision socially and economically.
One should not forget why UK ever wanted to join the EU (at that time still EEC).
I'm afraid there will be similar problems in the UK as before joining the EEC.
Skybird
07-05-18, 10:35 AM
Steve,
do you let every stranger from the street walking straight through your living room? Do you allow any stranger knocking on your door to camp in your garden?
Whats more, do you let any army, even a friendly one, simply navigate on your soil, any police in pursue cross the border and conduct operation inside your nation's territory? It is beign done a bit like this in parts of Europe, Dutch and German police for exampel can pursue some kilometers into the neighbouring state. For more, they have to ask first. Its a special regulation, however, this border-crossing policing.
The farmer having fields and meadows, has he any obligation to allow people camping on his ground, in his forest? Anyone who has declared a private street that leads through his property, must he nevertheless allow everybody using it?
This is the iindividual property right. I think social communities like cities or provinces or states have something similiar. They were formed up over history because of shared characteristics and company and cooperation of the people living there: it starts with race an skin colour indeed (whether political correctness fans like it or not, these factors count heavy for many people), goes over religion and habits and rites and values, and results in past and present economic cooperation that resulted in building manifestations of this civilization's realm: cities, law codices, a grown sense of cultural identity, an own culture, language, monuments... Those who formed and lived and worked for in these contexts, are the rulers and owners of the place, this land. And that gives them property rights that override wishes of foreigners arriving and wanting to pass through or settle there. That is the sovereignity of states defending their borders.
When I was there, in Libya in the 90s, I learned that until today sometimes conflicts form up or are maintained since generations, because a man of some Tuareg tribe once drank without asking or having permission - or was explicitly forbidden - to drink from a well in the desert that was laid claim for by another tribe.
Human communities claim territory on which they live and that they have declared as theirs by using this ground and tranforming it into their living place as they saw fit. These property rights are most fundamental and in my view almost natural. It can be a hierarchy of such claims for land property rights - the individual owning a flat, the clan owning a house with surrounding farming ground, a small village or regional community, a town, a city, a province, a state. And I do not see how a foreign person from outside this context could just walk in and claim to have any rights inside the contexts. He can ask to be allowed passing, and he can ask to be allowed to stay. But he has to accept the reply he gets. Jim said it: my house, my rules.
What do you think Neal would say if I travel over to Houston and tell him I now build my little house on his land, and that he has to live with that since I declare that to be my right? :) I assume he would be pissed and my action probably would end our mutually polite behaviour very quickly. LOL Texan chainsaw against German Katana comes next.
Jimbuna
07-06-18, 06:41 AM
Cabinet ministers have gathered at Chequers in a bid to thrash out an agreement on the shape of the UK's future relationship with the EU.
Theresa May has said they have "a duty" to reach agreement on Friday, amid splits over how closely the UK should stick to EU rules after Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44728807
Hopefully after this they can all start singing from the same hymn book.
Jimbuna
07-07-18, 08:32 AM
Theresa May is seeking Conservative MPs' backing for the cabinet's proposal for UK-EU relations after Brexit.
The plan was agreed by the prime minister's senior ministers at a 12-hour cabinet awayday on Friday.
Mrs May said the plan "will be good for the UK and good for the EU".
But there has been unhappiness among Tory Brexiteers, with Jacob Rees-Mogg telling the BBC that when the detail emerged, it could yet be worse than leaving the EU without a deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44750250
They may yet be reading from different hymn sheets.
Catfish
07-07-18, 10:22 AM
One of the problems is (apart from leaving at all) that the "UK government" (which predominantly cares about England, not Scotland, Ireland or Wales) seems to have so many opinions that the EU is being confronted with another brexit "plan" every week, if there is one at all. If England wants to run without a deal (and apart from May it meanwhile seems so) it does not mean that the UK's other countries will just shrug it off. Wales, of course. Ireland will be a problem, but it has never been taken seriously as a partner anyway, by english politicians. Scotland..? Nor will the EU simply accept, if signed treaties are being cancelled one-sidedly.
Young people may also have to say something, about the angyry old men who created this mess, but will not have to pay for it.
So it looks like the Lord High Mayor of London Sadiq Khan is going to get a bit of comeuppance:
Baby Khan Balloon fund blows baby Trump balloon out of the water!
In the first 24 hours of the campaign for the baby Trump balloon, they ‘smashed it’ raising £1,500. Yesterday, the campaign for a baby Khan balloon (http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/giant-sadiq-khan-baby-balloon-to-fly-over-london), to also be flown over Parliament during President Donald J. Trump’s visit to the UK next week, has blown the Trump fund out of the water, blowing past the £10K goal in less than 24 hours.
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/07/baby-khan-balloon-fund-blows-baby-trump-balloon-out-of-the-water/#.Wz-FcLffHCM.twitter
:haha:
Catfish
07-07-18, 10:45 AM
Dump will be more peed off to see Sadiq Khan's balloon, than his own one. He would probably be flattered of the latter. You know he is not that clever.
Edit: maybe there will be both.. and they can add some more balloons of politicians or 'leaders' who annoy the people. It might even become an english tradition :D
edit2 There's some back story to it, no wonder they want to see Trump fly
"Donald Trump declared Vauxhall an 'off location',"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5262375/Batterseas-fury-Trump-refuses-south-river.html
That baby Trump balloon is disgraceful, the Mayor of London is a disgrace to allow it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44728807
Hopefully after this they can all start singing from the same hymn book.
The threat of sacking and the long walk down the drive was all i needed to know. Spineless power loons who have no guts to stand up to May.
Certainly a lot of frothing over on Conservative Home:
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/conhome-snap-survey-newsflash-is-mays-plan-good-or-bad-should-it-be-backed-or-not-our-poll-is-now-live.html
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/the-governments-chequers-brexit-agreement-from-canada-plus-plus-plus-to-brexit-minus-minus-minus.html
I do feel that the Tory Party has to do something about it's Europe problem. I think the only thing that can cure that is a full-blown split between the eurosceptics in the party and the europhiles.:hmmm: As for the UK as a whole, a discussion on what exactly the UK is and is not and the status of it individual components is now sorely needed.
More than a few people up in this neck of the woods are now of the opinion that the Brexit referendum was really a symptom, not only of the Conservative Party's internal quarrels over the EU, but of English nationalism itself.
If you want to be gloomy about the whole thing you could argue that the referendum result represents the will of the majority the English people and is therefore incompatible with the continued existence of the UK itself. In order for Brexit to happen, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland must cease to exist.
You know something is truly out of whack when one of the SNP's more outspoken supporters actually proposes a plan so mad, it's actually sounds almost reasonable in contrast to the omnishambles the Tories have allowed to happen:
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-divided-kingdom/
Mike.:hmmm:
Jimbuna
07-08-18, 06:43 AM
Can't say how accurate the details are but it's a beginning.
At-a-glance: The new UK Brexit plan agreed at Chequers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44749993
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