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Skybird

06-18-17, 05:55 PM

^ i do not understand May, while i understand that she has to fulfill the will of the people (at least after she has been officially elected), she herself was against brexit, while BoJo was not, and she saw that obviously the Uk prefers a soft brexit, but to show strength she says she wants a hard one.
Alright, so lets start the mess :doh::06:

A "soft" Brext means that the Uk mor eor less have to fulfill all its cureewnt duties and has to pay memberhsip fees for years and years to come and has to not claim back sovweriengt yover its borders and has to let all foreigners from Eu coutnrties in as it is now. All duties - but no participation in decision making anymore, no sitting at the table, and nothing of what the Brexit decision was much about about in Britain: sovereignty, migration, and m arket access newly negotiated with unknown outcome. The Brits pride themselves with being an old democracy, and to ignore the votum the peope gave last year seems to be unacceptable for quite many. May was against Brexit, but she seems to obey the votum. For now. Going for a hard Brexit only is consistent if the votum is to be taken serious. Anything else is just an alibi.

It tells quite a lot aboput the EU that it does not accept easily a de mocratioc votum of a property , sorry, I mean a people of course. But it snot the first timen that the EU prefers to ignore dmeocratic votings and decisions and demands expressed by national majorities. People shall only have their say if they say what the EU wants them to say. Its like in just any one-party-dictatorship with an alibi parliament of self-prfiting claqueurs.

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On a sidenote, France's Macron has had less than the half of the people going to the election, second round yesterday. 56% of people did not vote again. That puts his claimed "majority" into some relation, I think, its not as if a majority of French people are really behind him. Macron now gets hyped by Germans like once they went almost hysteric about Obama. But I think Germans do not see the situation in France realistically, but like what they would like to see. Macron puts France first, at the cost of Germany and German private savers, and he is up against very strong resistance by the unions etc. I predict in two year he will have lost most of his magic, and the German government will be by one desillusionment richer. I doubt that French people love Macron so much. They more expressed their total disgust with the established parties.

And in two years, the hot running German economy already could be in troubles anyway. The current economic boom is overheating, the signs are written on the wall already.

Jimbuna

06-19-17, 01:30 PM

A "soft" Brext means that the Uk mor eor less have to fulfill all its cureewnt duties and has to pay memberhsip fees for years and years to come and has to not claim back sovweriengt yover its borders and has to let all foreigners from Eu coutnrties in as it is now. All duties - but no participation in decision making anymore, no sitting at the table, and nothing of what the Brexit decision was much about about in Britain: sovereignty, migration, and m arket access newly negotiated with unknown outcome. The Brits pride themselves with being an old democracy, and to ignore the votum the peope gave last year seems to be unacceptable for quite many. May was against Brexit, but she seems to obey the votum. For now. Going for a hard Brexit only is consistent if the votum is to be taken serious. Anything else is just an alibi.

It tells quite a lot aboput the EU that it does not accept easily a de mocratioc votum of a property , sorry, I mean a people of course. But it snot the first timen that the EU prefers to ignore dmeocratic votings and decisions and demands expressed by national majorities. People shall only have their say if they say what the EU wants them to say. Its like in just any one-party-dictatorship with an alibi parliament of self-prfiting claqueurs.

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On a sidenote, France's Macron has had less than the half of the people going to the election, second round yesterday. 56% of people did not vote again. That puts his claimed "majority" into some relation, I think, its not as if a majority of French people are really behind him. Macron now gets hyped by Germans like once they went almost hysteric about Obama. But I think Germans do not see the situation in France realistically, but like what they would like to see. Macron puts France first, at the cost of Germany and German private savers, and he is up against very strong resistance by the unions etc. I predict in two year he will have lost most of his magic, and the German government will be by one desillusionment richer. I doubt that French people love Macron so much. They more expressed their total disgust with the established parties.

And in two years, the hot running German economy already could be in troubles anyway. The current economic boom is overheating, the signs are written on the wall already.

Very well put Sky :yep:

Jimbuna

06-19-17, 01:36 PM

^ @Catfish: Why delete? You are perfectly entitled to your opinion.

Catfish

06-19-17, 02:00 PM

Skybird for the new Ukip leader, great career chance ahead.
"brexit is brexit".
No it is not very well put, Sky, it is indeed very wrong on a lot of levels and contains plain lies. Skybird uses his rhethorics with no regard of the truth. I know that this is enough to win in a debating club, but it remains pure rhethorics. It is so much easier to quote Bild or The Sun and follow those easy-to-understand prejudices, instead of reading this boring stuff what the EU is and does, and what it is not.

Beginning to understand Oberon, it is as if no one had never explained what it is about, next day some forget, others keep hating just because they do not want to understand, and accusating instead of looking in the mirror is so much more fun.. you people just can't help it.
Quoting the same BS again and again, hoping that when you throw dirt again and again it will stick at some point. Maybe it will with the easy-impressed, but i still hope that some people can think for themselves.

Yes, the EU was founded too early. People are too dumb to understand or support it. I guess mankind deserves no better, and if this new right wing stuff spreads further i really hope that mankind becomes extinct asap.

edit: @Jim i had to add some acid :nope:

Jimbuna

06-19-17, 04:06 PM

edit: @Jim i had to add some acid :nope:

Absolutely no problem, the more comments and opinions the better overall for the purposes of debate.

My thinking is that both parties in the Brexit negotiations are playing a game of chicken. Neither want to be the first to concede any ground for fear of the media giving it great spin but sooner or later a compromise will be reached, a compromise both sides can adhere to so long as saving face is not the price paid.

STEED

06-19-17, 04:23 PM

Mrs May has blown two months on a general election that backfired and still no agreement with the DUP puts the EU in a position of wearing the bigger boxing gloves. The UK will back down first and when that happens the rest of the domino's will fall.

The UK is tearing itself apart on many levels which adds up to a future that looks bleak. Unless politician's and the voters wake up and get their act together I see little hope for the UK.

Jimbuna

06-19-17, 04:30 PM

So what is the answer in your opinion?

Corbyn to lead a coalition?

Jimbuna

06-19-17, 04:33 PM

So, who will drink from the poison chalice?

A Lib Dem MP tipped to become the party's next leader has ruled herself out of the race.
Jo Swinson, who regained her East Dunbartonshire seat at the general election, had been the bookies' favourite to replace Tim Farron.
But she said she would seek to become deputy leader instead.
Mr Farron quit last week, saying he was "torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40321277

STEED

06-19-17, 04:38 PM

So what is the answer in your opinion?

Corbyn to lead a coalition?

I don't trust any of them jim as one way or another they are all feathering their nests ready for the golden egg. As for us the voter under the voting system we have we are screwed, as you know jim i want to see the system kicked up the backside with a new fresh broom but it will never happen we are screwed.

Today's politician lusts for money power greed corruption in some shape and form so we are screwed yet again.

Moonlight

06-19-17, 06:14 PM

^We the voters and the media have let this happen, when an MP can tell a TV interviewer what questions they will answer and which they won't its bloody pointless listening to it as it just becomes a political broadcast. :doh:

Those MP's will stick their greedy snouts into any filthy trough they can find and they have been held less accountable for it for bloody years.
We shall see those Kensington councillors and MP's finding a scapegoat from somewhere to try and deflect the blame from themselves, some stupid sod is going to cop all the flak but you can be rest assured those councillors and MP's will do there best to be fully exonerated of any blame. :damn:

Skybird

06-19-17, 06:53 PM

STEED

06-19-17, 07:11 PM

Jimbuna

06-20-17, 06:07 AM

Diane Abbott: 'I'm back to fighting fitness'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40338820

Heaven help us :nope:

Jimbuna

06-20-17, 06:08 AM

Sir Vince Cable to run for Lib Dem leadership

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40339334

Possibly the only one left who can save the Lib Dems....if it isn't already too late.

Catfish

06-20-17, 06:20 AM

^ What do the Liberal Democrats stand for, in the UK? Do you think they have better ideas of how to go on?

Quote Jim:
My thinking is that both parties in the Brexit negotiations are playing a game of chicken. Neither want to be the first to concede any ground for fear of the media giving it great spin but sooner or later a compromise will be reached, a compromise both sides can adhere to so long as saving face is not the price paid.

We almost agreed about that before, and it will probably happen (i hope). While i am no fan of brexit at all, a "hard brexit" would be even better for the EU, only problem is the demanded complete access to the Eu-domestic market like when being in the EU. I guess it will not be easy to have both.

STEED

06-20-17, 07:17 AM

^ What do the Liberal Democrats stand for, in the UK? Do you think they have better ideas of how to go on?

If you like smoking cannabis then they are for you. :|\\

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/the-liberal-democrats-will-pledge-to-completely-legalise?utm_term=.vtKRkEq2Q#.wj9Ya7oXd

Speaking of the LibDems here is my prediction Jo Swinson will win the Deputy Leadership as at the moment she is the only name down for this position and at 5pm today it closes. I think she will from there go on to be the leader of the LibDems in around 3 to 4 years time. The hot candidate is Vince Cable and I can not see him taking the party into a GE at the age of 80. I think VC will get the leadership and will steady the boat and pave the way for JS.

STEED

06-20-17, 07:18 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40338820

Heaven help us :nope:

Relax jim she will muck up again and again and then that will be the end of her.

We hope.

MGR1

06-20-17, 10:40 AM

Relax jim she will muck up again and again and then that will be the end of her.

We hope.

Unless she resigns as an MP, there will be enough people in Abbott's constituency who will vote for her. Even after her performance during the GE campaign she was still returned as an MP. That means she's available to fill a shadow cabinet role and will do so until Corbyn can put someone else he trusts into that position. The only way to get rid of Abbott would be to remove of Corbyn as Lab Leader. Considering what he's done recently, that may be difficult especially if more Lab MP's knuckle down and start working with him rather than against him.

Moving on to the SNP:

Nicola Sturgeon's indyref2 statement 'likely' next week (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40345359)

Logic says if they're still determined to have one, park it until after the Brexit process is complete.

Mike.:hmmm:

STEED

06-20-17, 10:54 AM

Wee Nicola seems to be less in the news after her set back in the GE.

STEED

06-20-17, 11:01 AM

Mrs May still having late nights..:hmmm:

Democratic Unionist Party sources have urged the Conservatives to give a "greater focus" to negotiations between the parties.
A senior DUP source said the party could not be "taken for granted" - adding that if the PM could not reach a deal, "what does that mean for bigger negotiations she is involved in?"
The Conservatives are hoping the DUP will sustain their minority government.
But no deal has been reached after 10 days of talks between the parties.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40339330

Jimbuna

06-20-17, 11:12 AM

Jobs and living standards must come first as the UK negotiates its exit from the EU, Philip Hammond has said.
The chancellor said it would require "every ounce of skill and diplomacy" to get the right deal, warning that people didn't vote for Brexit to be poorer.
Speaking in London, he said changes to customs arrangements should be phased in and there should be transitional measures to protect key industries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40339331

This guy is currently making more sense than the PM.

MGR1

06-20-17, 11:30 AM

Wee Nicola seems to be less in the news after her set back in the GE.

That's due to the national news having other things to report on. Within Scotland we've always heard a lot more. As the SNP form the devolved administration and Sturgeon is the First Minister that's to be expected.

On the political front, this is some of what's been going on north of the border:

Independent commission sets out 75 Holyrood reforms (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40330058)

An independent review of the Scottish Parliament has set out more than 70 recommendations for improvements.
The Commission for Parliamentary Reform was set up in October 2016, tasked with giving Holyrood "an MOT".
Suggestions include having committees with elected conveners which can sit at the same time as the main chamber and expanding the legislative process.
Chairman John McCormick said the changes suggested would equip Holyrood to meet future challenges "head on"'Historic' islands bill published (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-40247214)

The Scottish government has introduced what it has described as a "historic bill" to create a sustainable future for Scotland's islands.
The proposed legislation (http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/105168.aspx) aims to offer greater powers to island local authorities, including the Western Isles, Orkney and Shetland.
The bill includes giving island councils powers over activities on and around their coastlines.
Changes to named person law published (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40341333)

The Scottish government has published changes to its controversial named person scheme.
The scheme will appoint a named person, usually a teacher or health visitor, who will be responsible for ensuring the welfare of every child.
It had been due to come into force last August, but the Supreme Court ruled that sections covering information sharing did not comply with the law (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36903513).
The changes published on Tuesday (http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/105191.aspx) aim to overcome those concerns.
etc, etc, etc.

Mike.

STEED

06-20-17, 06:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dpt-dSFwzc

Catfish

06-21-17, 04:16 AM

^ you people are obsessed with Hitler, i tell you!

But then :rotfl2::rotfl2:

Jimbuna

06-21-17, 07:54 AM

Queen's Speech: Brexit bills dominate government agenda.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40345280

ikalugin

06-21-17, 08:12 AM

^ you people are obsessed with Hitler, i tell you!

But then :rotfl2::rotfl2:
True, Stalin had a vastly superior moustage:
http://ru-an.info/Photo/News/n4671/2.jpg

STEED

06-21-17, 09:20 AM

^ you people are obsessed with Hitler, i tell you!

But then :rotfl2::rotfl2:

Some funny folk out there do some real corkers. :03:

STEED

06-21-17, 09:36 AM

DUP seeks £2bn deal to support Conservativeshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-40347632

Bet there is more to come. :hmmm:

Jimbuna

06-21-17, 10:02 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-40347632

Bet there is more to come. :hmmm:

I doubt they will get anywhere near as much as they are asking for....too many third parties would jump on the bandwagon or cry foul (I doubt I need to name them).

Dropping the proposals to axe the winter fuel allowance for well-off pensioners and scrap the triple lock on pensions will be sufficient for little selfish me :smug:

STEED

06-21-17, 06:25 PM

The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) has played down reports it is seeking £2bn in extra funding for Northern Ireland in return for supporting the Tories.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40360060

The plot thickens. :hmmm:

STEED

06-22-17, 07:01 AM

Around 600 high rises across England are using similar cladding to Grenfell Tower, says Downing Street.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40366646

Old JC will make hay with this by pouring it on to May who has so much on her plate with the DUP and Brexit.

Mind you the DUP problem maybe at last light in the tunnel..

There is a "very good" chance the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Conservatives will agree a parliamentary deal by next week, a DUP MP has said.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40362475

Catfish

06-22-17, 07:06 AM

^ Regarding the cladding, can a government be held responsible for all that happens, in a country?
I guess not.. but how are certain standards (like house-building) being settled, or enforced? :hmmm:

Jimbuna

06-22-17, 07:56 AM

Gentlemen, if you please, we already have a thread dedicated to Grenfell Tower:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2493812#post2493812

Jimbuna

06-22-17, 07:57 AM

Back On Topic:

European Council president Donald Tusk has quoted lyrics from John Lennon's Imagine to suggest the door remains open to the UK staying in the EU.
Ahead of a Brussels summit he said of the prospect: "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40362594

You just couldn't make this up :hmmm:

Catfish

06-22-17, 08:13 AM

... to suggest the door remains open to the UK staying in the EU. :haha: Too late.
I thought this EU summit isn't about brexit? Seems i was wrong:
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/european-council/2017/06/22-23/

ok so no brexit negotiations, but what to do about relocations of yet UK-based EU agencies.

STEED

06-22-17, 05:44 PM

Gentlemen, if you please, we already have a thread dedicated to Grenfell Tower:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2493812#post2493812

Yes Boss, pot noodle is in the post. :DL

STEED

06-22-17, 05:46 PM

I am not convinced at all, I smell a rat called May..:ping:

Skybird

06-23-17, 03:11 AM

As predicted, the first crahs has already happened, and nobody noticed it. May offered that EU citizens can stay in the UK and ask for citizenship if they lived there for five years already. One can certainly talk about the date from when on the count should start: May says the day when the letter for Brexit was sent, the EU wants the day when Brexit will be finally sealed.

But unacceptable from British perspective is that the Court of Justice in Luxembourgh should be the court guarding over this - to-be - right of EU foreigners in the UK. The Court of Justice is an entity of the EU and was created to especially watch over the EU treaties . That such a foreign court should also be authorizd now to watch over internal affairs of a to-be non memberstate, is a ridiculing of the British demand for claiming back national sovereignty.

London must fear that the EU uses this to create a precedence for other issues in the future when then the EU will claim this precedence to demand authority of the Luxembourgh court again.

If I were to represent the British side, I would be adamant over this so that already now the negotiations could be declared as failed, and could be ended, if the EU does not give up. That is true for the other two red lines the EU already has demanded in the past weeks as well - they all in principle are a denial of the end of British membership, and accept only the end of British rights, not its membership duties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Justice_of_the_European_Union

That the EU already some time ago said that they see this as one of their red lines and claim the EU court should be responsible for parts of British legislation, shows that they have not understood that Brexit means Brexit: end of EU membership.

Question always is how hard a Brexit May still can sell in parliament. The bRitish side has weakened itself tremendously with those election results.

STEED

06-23-17, 06:45 AM

Jeremy Corbyn has overtaken Theresa May for the first time on the question of who voters think would be the best Prime Minister, a poll suggests.
The survey, by YouGov for The Times, puts the Labour leader on 35%, ahead of the Prime Minister on 34%.
http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-overtakes-may-in-pm-suitability-poll-for-first-time-10924618

And next week King Kong is voted ice cream seller of the year. :D

Jimbuna

06-23-17, 10:27 AM

http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-overtakes-may-in-pm-suitability-poll-for-first-time-10924618

And next week King Kong is voted ice cream seller of the year. :D

:haha:

STEED

06-23-17, 04:07 PM

Gids strikes again..

May 'blocked Cameron's bid to guarantee EU citizens' rights'

The explosive claim comes in an Evening Standard editorial - the paper edited by former chancellor George Osborne.http://news.sky.com/story/may-blocked-camerons-bid-to-guarantee-eu-citizens-rights-10924937

Gids must have many dagger's in his closet.

Skybird

06-23-17, 05:25 PM

^ But I would have blocked it, too. I do not believe in negotiating from a position of weakness, and why giving up a strong argument needlessly, for nothing? That argument is: reciprocity: "You want us to protect existing EU citizens' status - you have to agree to protect existing UK citizens' status in EU countries as well. Quid pro quo."

STEED

06-24-17, 04:27 AM

Jeremy Corbyn is off to Glastonbury today getting down and dirty with the young promoting herbal tea.:|\\

Groovy :|\\

Catfish

06-24-17, 06:13 AM

Jimbuna

06-24-17, 09:22 AM

May tried to sell the "allowance for EU citizens to stay after having lived in the UK for five years" as a generous offer, when it was assumed earlier to be a matter of course, by all.
That UK citizens may live in the EU was already taken as self-evident, and the proposal already made in 12/2016, by Charles Goerens from Luxemburg.
This is non-news.

I tend to agree but if the early indications are anything to go by, and I repeat the word 'if', there is a possibility of both parties coming to an early position of 'failure to reach agreement' and the inevitable consequence may well mean the UK simply walking away.

A lot will depend on what spin the media put on such a situation before it will become clear if the public are with or against the government on the matter.

STEED

06-24-17, 04:55 PM

Jeremy Corbyn gets rapturous reception at Glastonburyhttp://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-gets-rapturous-reception-at-glastonbury-10926081

Groovy Jezza the king of the young tells them what they want to hear. :|\\

This one is for Jezza..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOU0o9K89g

STEED

06-24-17, 05:13 PM

MPs lose email access as Parliament targeted in 'sustained' cyberattackhttp://news.sky.com/story/parliament-targeted-in-cyberattack-peer-says-10926078

I wonder former Tory PM dodgy dave's password was.. ILovePigs. :hmmm:

Jimbuna

06-25-17, 11:11 AM

Brexit Secretary David Davis has told the BBC he is "pretty sure", but not "certain", that he will be able to get a free trade deal with the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40397312

I certainly hope so.

STEED

06-25-17, 04:18 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40397312

I certainly hope so.

I have my doubts, news reporting ranges from a deal to no chance. I'm fed up with it all now as no one knows anything worth reporting. And the media seems to report here say and whispers.

Catfish

06-26-17, 05:51 AM

May has a pact with DUP:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40403434

Jimbuna

06-26-17, 06:24 AM

Yeah, just looked through the article and it would appear nothing overly majorly has been given so the agreement may hold water for a year or so.

STEED

06-26-17, 06:30 AM

The deal with the DUP is a two year deal so if the Tories hold on the DUP will be back knocking on the door for more in two years time, bound to happen they got the Tories where they want them.

STEED

06-26-17, 06:40 AM

Meanwhile in Wales all is not well over the DUP deal..

Tory/DUP deal an outrageous straight bung, Carwyn Jones sayshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-40406396

Jimbuna

06-26-17, 06:41 AM

Agreed but even more so they (DUP) have got Labour even more so where they want them.

STEED

06-26-17, 06:47 AM

Jeremy Corbyn says he will be Prime Minister 'in six months' - report
Big Head..

Jeremy Corbyn has predicted he will be Prime Minister within six months and said he wanted to scrap Trident "as soon as I can", it was claimed last night.

The Labour leader's unguarded comments, apparently made backstage, were revealed by Glastonbury festival founder Michael Eavishttp://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-will-be-prime-minister-in-six-months-report-10927252

So his hotch botch coalition which totals less the the magic winning number will step in just like that! I'm sure if that happen the SNP Greens PC and the rest will make demands.

MGR1

06-26-17, 12:41 PM

Brian Taylors take on the DUP deal:

The DUP deal via a Helensburgh swimming pool (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40405542)

Naturally the SNP are taking the opportunity to use this as a club to beat up the Scotland Office and David Mundell after he said he'd oppose any deal that bypassed the Barnett formula: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40318441).

........Mr Mundell also insisted any extra funding given to Northern Ireland as part of a deal between the Conservatives and the DUP should adhere to Barnett formula rules.That would mean any wealth being distributed across the UK.
He said: "I certainly won't support funding which is deliberately sought to subvert the Barnett rules.
"We have clear rules about funding of different parts of the United Kingdom. If the funding falls within Barnett consequentials, it should come to Scotland.Since that isn't the case he now has some egg on his face as it looks like Tory negotiation team bypassed him in agreeing this deal with the DUP.

Of course what Carwyn Jones, Nicola Sturgeon and others aren't saying, assuming they've actually thought of it (or care), is that the money for Norn Iron isn't translating as extra funding for England either.

NI and the DUP win, the mainland in it's entirety loses.:hmmm:

Mike.

Jimbuna

06-26-17, 02:06 PM

Moonlight

06-26-17, 04:46 PM

Oh look what the "evil" DUP have secured, triple lock for pension, no means tested heating allowance, 2% GDP for defence, Military Covenant to be implemented in Northern Ireland.

Can't say anything other than how pleased I am :smug:

I can see why people like you voted for the Tory party old boy, I'm alright Jack screw you, there's only been one thing worse than being a Tory voter and that was the Bubonic plague, it tells you what kind of person you Tories are doesn't it. :o

So Theresa May has found Jeremy Corbyn's magic money tree down the back of the Downing street sofa, its costing over £1 billion quid for just 10 bleeding votes just to keep her in power and this after recently telling a nurse that she didn't have a magic money tree. :doh:

I thought David Cameron was the worst Prime Minister we've ever had but you Theresa May have overtaken that useless pillock in just one year. :yep:

MGR1

06-26-17, 05:04 PM

Oh look what the "evil" DUP have secured, triple lock for pension, no means tested heating allowance, 2% GDP for defence, Military Covenant to be implemented in Northern Ireland.

Can't say anything other than how pleased I am :smug:

The first two never applied in Scotland, Jim, as they come under devolved authority. So that was never an issue up here anyway.:O:

The 3rd should be good news for Scottish defence and support firms too.:03:

The last should be good news for anyone who served in NI during the troubles, including those who served in Scottish regiments.:up:

My main concern is that the deal makes things a bit awkward for the Scots Cons and gives ammo to the Nats again.:down:

Mike.

Eichhörnchen

06-27-17, 01:55 AM

Catfish

06-27-17, 02:16 AM

^ well it costs the taxpayer dearly, just to make a deal and secure May's power. And what about the rest of Ireland, or Wales, or Scotland? Ireland gets already the major part before this deal, or so i read(?)

Yes i know EU again, but what i liked is that at least the EU tried to distribute money evenly, adapted to need and to raise and get econonomical power going. Enough other nations in the club to limit certain power deals on the back of the citizens.

And i read that working hours in England will have to be raised, in order to stem the financial effort after brexit. Whatever happens, May will have to sell a lot of unpopular decisions, which will all fall back on her, while she was not even for a brexit herself. Tough.

Jimbuna

06-27-17, 04:21 AM

I can see why people like you voted for the Tory party old boy,

Me? Vote Tory?

You're not one of them pollsters who never seem to get it right are you?

Just for the record and in particular FYI: I was a Labour Party member of over 25 years standing and only resigned my membership when 'My Party' was taken over by a democratically elected left wing, terrorist sympathiser and his bunch of unelectables.

Tis because of those aforementioned people that we are now stuck with an abomination of a woman who is quite clearly trying to emulate a certain Iron Lady and cares not one jot on who she makes suffer during the process.

Jimbuna

06-27-17, 04:23 AM

The first two never applied in Scotland, Jim, as they come under devolved authority. So that was never an issue up here anyway.:O:

The 3rd should be good news for Scottish defence and support firms too.:03:

The last should be good news for anyone who served in NI during the troubles, including those who served in Scottish regiments.:up:

My main concern is that the deal makes things a bit awkward for the Scots Cons and gives ammo to the Nats again.:down:

Mike.

Wasn't sure what was covered under devolved authority Mike but I certainly agree with the above :salute:

STEED

06-27-17, 07:17 AM

So Theresa May has found Jeremy Corbyn's magic money tree down the back of the Downing street sofa

That tree was always there it helped to bail out the banks. Of course it only gets used on certain things, can't keep pulling the money off here and there on this and that.

STEED

06-27-17, 07:23 AM

Snuggling up to the DUP is about only one thing: desperately staving off another election, which the Nasty Party know would sweep Labour to power with the kind of majority they had expected last time.

Unfortunately both Labour and the Conservatives are locked in this nasty situation where Labour spends all the money giving the Conservatives the power to put the screws on way to hard.

Both party's can not be trusted, when you look at the rest under them two there is no hope as the whole political system sucks.

STEED

06-27-17, 07:26 AM

Nicola Sturgeon is to make an announcement later today on the "way forward for Scotland" following the general election result.
Ms Sturgeon had called for an independence referendum to be held in the autumn of next year or the spring of 2019.
But she has been considering her options since the SNP lost 21 seats in the election earlier this month.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40415457

May tune in to hear what she has to say 2pm onwards.

Jimbuna

06-27-17, 09:22 AM

^No real change, just a short postponement.

STEED

06-27-17, 11:41 AM

^No real change, just a short postponement.

Yea it was rather drull, what came out of it the cock a hoot Nicola Sturgeon clearly has had her wings clipped by the GE result for now.

STEED

06-27-17, 02:46 PM

Brexit Secretary David Davis has blamed the Tories' general election losses on a "badly designed" campaign and Theresa May's social care "U-turn".http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40415925

What!.. Still banging on about this oh come off it.

Moving on to WW3..

The UK could carry out military strikes in response to cyber attacks, the UK defence secretary has said.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40423164

Watch out Russia we got Win3.1 so there. :O:

Jimbuna

06-28-17, 10:24 AM

http://i.imgur.com/pwX7iCL.jpg

Skybird

06-28-17, 11:07 AM

No party's can ever be trusted, when you look at the rest under them there is no hope as the whole political system sucks.
Just sorted out those typos of yours.
:D

STEED

06-28-17, 05:04 PM

Just sorted out those typos of yours.
:D

Strange, Sky forums are like newspapers read them bin them. I will admit I am sloppy unlike in real life filling forms out where I take more care and due attention. :) :03:

Right lets get back on form...

Nicky Morgan: Tories should consider replacing Theresa Mayhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40437737

Please don't say this Bitch will throw her hat in the ring. Man she has one big grudge, get over it you silly cow.

STEED

06-28-17, 05:08 PM

Brexit 'will blow hole in budget', EU commissioner warnshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40433450

Oh boo-hoo to you live with it. I will have to live with Brexit for better or worst.

German finance minister hopes UK 'will realise Brexit mistake'http://news.sky.com/story/german-finance-minister-hopes-uk-will-realise-brexit-mistake-10930445

How can you say its a mistake at this stage? Try again in 10 years then you will have your answer, no one knows if Brexit will be good or bad its far to early to say as we are in the very early stages of talks.

STEED

06-28-17, 05:20 PM

The Government has defeated a Labour bid to end the cap on public sector pay in the first parliamentary test of the Tory-DUP deal.
Labour had attempted to push through an amendment to the Queen's Speech calling on ministers to recruit more police officers and firefighters and to end the 1% limit on annual pay rises for public sector workers.
But their efforts were defeated in the House of Commons, with 323 MPs opposing the amendment versus 309 in favour. The result gave the Government a majority of 14.
http://news.sky.com/story/government-defeats-labours-bid-to-end-public-sector-pay-freeze-10930469

First blood to the Tory/DUP but how long will the DUP back the Tories?

Catfish

06-29-17, 01:46 AM

[...] Labour had attempted to push through an amendment to the Queen's Speech calling on ministers to recruit more police officers and firefighters and to end the 1% limit on annual pay rises for public sector workers.
But their efforts were defeated in the House of CommonsYes, why even support the police and firefighters in these days?!
While Labour probably proposed that in part for populistic reasons, it is not the badest of ideas? It does not matter what's best for the country when there's a chance to give the opposition a kick :doh:

@Steed don't you think the DUP might love backing the Tories in that respect? For me the DUP somehow looks like Northern Irish Tories. On the other hand i got the impression that the DUP's ties to 'national military forces' (they do not call them terrorists) are stronger than Corbyn's(?)

Moonlight

06-29-17, 06:19 AM

Theresa May and her cronies can't throw the IRA sympathizer jibes at Jeremy Corbyn without revealing that one of their own was a former member of the IRA now can one.
Keep sweeping Maria Gatland under the carpet long enough and its eventually forgotten about, some of us have long memories though. :yep:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/maria-gatland-from-terrorist-to-tory-28457193.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBa8k00XYAEOzHf.jpg

STEED

06-29-17, 06:41 AM

@Steed don't you think the DUP might love backing the Tories in that respect? For me the DUP somehow looks like Northern Irish Tories. On the other hand i got the impression that the DUP's ties to 'national military forces' (they do not call them terrorists) are stronger than Corbyn's(?)

I think anything that effects NI in a bad way the DUP would probably abstain from supporting the Tories. The DUP will always put NI before England Scotland and Wales, they are indeed hard line centre right probably some what more further right than the Tories. And just to add if the Tories are still in power in two years time bet you the DUP will be back demanding a greater share of power and money.

Moonlight

06-29-17, 06:45 AM

^How convenient that there was no mention of Maria Gatland in your last post STEED, or are you happy to sweep it under the carpet as well?.

http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/c0.11.640.640/18723720_439352116431113_7616546070440443904_n.jpg ?ig_cache_key=MTUyNjg4MTMwMDQ0MjkyNzkyNQ%3D%3D.2.c

STEED

06-29-17, 06:49 AM

I was not responding to you Moonlight.

Jimbuna

06-30-17, 05:41 AM

The Government has defeated a Labour bid to end the cap on public sector pay in the first parliamentary test of the Tory-DUP deal.
Labour had attempted to push through an amendment to the Queen's Speech calling on ministers to recruit more police officers and firefighters and to end the 1% limit on annual pay rises for public sector workers.
But their efforts were defeated in the House of Commons, with 323 MPs opposing the amendment versus 309 in favour. The result gave the Government a majority of 14.

This being a classic example as to why they are rightfully known as the 'Nasty Party'.

Jimbuna

06-30-17, 05:49 AM

Doesn't look like all is rosy in the Labour garden either, despite what many believed was an excellent general election result.

Three Labour frontbenchers have been sacked for defying Jeremy Corbyn and backing a call for the UK to stay in the single market after Brexit.
Ruth Cadbury, Catherine West and Andy Slaughter had supported Chuka Umunna's amendment to the Queen's Speech.
Staying in the single market is not Labour policy and Mr Corbyn had ordered his MPs to abstain - but 50 rebelled.
His deputy Tom Watson said he was disappointed with Mr Umunna for trying to "divide" Labour MPs with the vote.
Mr Watson added: "I just felt that given we'd come out of the general election with such an unexpected result, and there's a real euphoria, to try and divide Labour MPs a week and a half in was a little disappointing.
"But, you know, we're still buzzing, we still want to hold the government to account, we'll get over it and move on."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40451301

STEED

06-30-17, 04:47 PM

^Yes the nasty anti public sector party is back in the roost but how far can they keep it up as the DUP bound to have their own hit list for NI which some Tories may find bitter. Many fuses have been lit question is what is at the end of those fuses.

Jimbuna

07-01-17, 07:25 AM

I'm at a total loss as to how and why they keep the public sector pay cap in place, especially in light of recent events :nope:

If I was still in uniform I'd be absolutely outraged :shifty:

Jimbuna

07-01-17, 07:28 AM

Theresa May has 'hamstrung' David Davis in Brexit talks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40461496

No big surprises there then.

STEED

07-01-17, 09:08 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40461496

No big surprises there then.

It's all on course to remain in the EU in some form and shape. :03:

Jimbuna

07-01-17, 10:08 AM

It's all on course to remain in the EU in some form and shape. :03:

Not so sure about that but most importantly I'd much prefer a soft Brexit as opposed to a hard Brexit.

STEED

07-01-17, 04:08 PM

Not so sure about that but most importantly I'd much prefer a soft Brexit as opposed to a hard Brexit.

Some recent survey's now show if we voted now the result would be remain. And I firmly believe we are going to remain as the powers to be once again pull the wool over the voters eyes.

STEED

07-01-17, 04:11 PM

Mr Corbyn said: "The Tories are in retreat, austerity is in retreat, the economic arguments of austerity are in retreat.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40468881

Tell that to the public sector who have just been stung yet again.

STEED

07-01-17, 06:44 PM

From The Sun..

NIGEL Farage said he would not throw his hat in the ring to replace Paul Nuttall as Ukip leader – but refused to rule out a future return to the helm.

Jim you should give it a spin. :)

MGR1

07-02-17, 06:19 AM

Some recent survey's now show if we voted now the result would be remain. And I firmly believe we are going to remain as the powers to be once again pull the wool over the voters eyes.

Arguably that's a result of what happened in the run up to the EU referendum.

The quality of the debate was utterly appalling - the 2014 IndyRef debate up here was at a much higher level than what happened in 2016. I remember a number of journalists who came up from England after that infamous poll which showed Yes as being ahead actually said they were surprised at how high level the indy debate was.

All I can say to that is - naturally. You don't make a decision on something so huge without making sure all the t's are crossed and the i's dotted, which is something the SNP failed to do convincingly.

The EU debate was infantile in comparison. Sounds snotty, I know, but that's how it was percieved up here.

Mike.

STEED

07-02-17, 06:50 AM

MGR1, I posted on here my disgust at the way the EU referendum was conducted by both camps and how short it was. The EU vote was big and people needed to be told the facts not sound bites along with politician's treated it like a day out at the circus.

Moonlight, I now read the link you posted and for the record I do not agree with former terrorists like Maria Gatland going into politics as clearly she should be in prison. Politics is corrupt from top to bottom you can see it along with plenty more like myself but many people don't want to know, this brings me once again to that great scene from the film NETWORK when you listen to what is being said in today's world you come to a conclusion and my one is we are boned.

BTW: I have shouted out loud..I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to take this anymore..A few times and it was met with silence! Well that's a rap for the human race, stick around it's going to get bad very bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGIY5Vyj4YM

Jimbuna

07-02-17, 06:55 AM

The government should listen to review bodies' recommendations for public sector pay, Michael Gove has said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40471474

I've got absolutely no time for this individual but for once I wholeheartedly agree with him.

STEED

07-02-17, 07:31 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40471474

I've got absolutely no time for this individual but for once I wholeheartedly agree with him.

Cracks in May's cabinet are showing but how big will they get? :hmmm:

STEED

07-02-17, 07:41 AM

May could walk out of Brexit talks over exit bill - Telegraph

British business leaders have been told to brace for the possibility that Prime Minister Theresa May's government may walk out of Brexit talks this year, according to the Sunday Telegraph.

The move would be designed for "domestic consumption" to show the government is negotiating hard with the European Union, the newspaper reported. The newspaper did not reveal how it obtained the information.http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-bill-idUKKBN19M3UX

Well we shall see..

Jimbuna

07-02-17, 07:46 AM

That much information and disinformation being circulated currently by the press it would make just as much sense to spin a coin at this, the earliest of stages.

STEED

07-02-17, 07:50 AM

That much information and disinformation being circulated currently by the press it would make just as much sense to spin a coin at this, the earliest of stages.

Indeed, the Brexit headline war is hotting up with spin spin super spin.

STEED NEWS BRINGS YOU THE NEWS..

No news today folks it's all spin and now over to jim for political cartoons. :)

Not bad a, nice and short straight to the point. :DL

STEED

07-02-17, 08:10 AM

Jeremy Corbyn 'safe for years' as Labour leader, Tom Watson sayshttp://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-safe-for-years-as-labour-leader-tom-watson-says-a3577836.html

Well there is no one to challenge him.

MGR1

07-02-17, 10:27 AM

MGR1, I posted on here my disgust at the way the EU referendum was conducted by both camps and how short it was. The EU vote was big and people needed to be told the facts not sound bites along with politician's treated it like a day out at the circus.

Oh, I quite agree with you there. Perhaps what it shows is that there's a difference between the two sets of politicians at Westminster and Holyrood. At least at the latter the Jolly Hockeysticks brigade doesn't really have much of a presence.

Mike.

STEED

07-03-17, 11:56 AM

Downing Street insists its position on public sector pay has not changed despite several ministers calling for the 1% cap on increases to be scrapped.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40477136

Jimbuna

07-03-17, 03:40 PM

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-safe-for-years-as-labour-leader-tom-watson-says-a3577836.html

Well there is no one to challenge him.

Which means we are stuck with the nasty party :shifty:

Jimbuna

07-03-17, 03:41 PM

Downing Street insists its position on public sector pay has not changed despite several ministers calling for the 1% cap on increases to be scrapped.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40477136

Absolutely short sighted, blinkered and disgraceful :nope:

STEED

07-03-17, 07:03 PM

Ex-Coronation Street actress Tracy Brabin is among Labour MPs to have been given frontbench jobs by Jeremy Corbyn.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40484051

A few more and we can sit back and watch soap. :03:

STEED

07-03-17, 07:04 PM

Which means we are stuck with the nasty party :shifty:

With or without the DUP. :o

STEED

07-04-17, 05:35 AM

MPs will not vote on whether to repeal the Hunting Act for at least two years, the government says.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40491921

What ban? As i understood it the hounds were not allowed to dispatch the fox and had to be shot by a marksman. :confused:

STEED

07-04-17, 05:48 AM

Lets pop over to the EU..

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has launched a bitter attack on members of the European Parliament for failing to show up.

Standing up in almost empty chamber in Strasbourg, he denounced the body as "ridiculous, totally ridiculous".http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40492396

Its called tuning up to collect the fat cat money on the way out the door. :haha:

STEED

07-04-17, 06:03 AM

Here is a good one for May & Boris..

IS recruiter Sally Jones 'wants to return to Britain' from Raqqa

Sky News is told Jones - one of Islamic State's top recruiters - has been "crying and wants to get back to Britain".http://news.sky.com/story/is-recruiter-sally-jones-wants-to-return-to-britain-from-raqqa-10935755

I SAY THIS..SOD OFF BITCH WE DON'T WANT SCUM LIKE YOU BACK!

Jimbuna

07-04-17, 06:13 AM

"She was crying and wants to get back to Britain but ISIS is preventing her because she is now a military wife. She told me she wish to go to her country," Aisha said.

This, of course, is a ludicrous claim - unless Jones has given up on her jihadi campaign and is now prepared to swap martyrdom for a lifetime in prison.

It's often termed as 'being caught between a rock and a hard place' :)

Jimbuna

07-04-17, 06:15 AM

Hammond says UK must 'hold nerve' over public pay.

Philip Hammond has insisted pay policy has not changed and the "right balance" must continue to be struck in terms of what is fair for workers and taxpayers.
The chancellor, who is under pressure from colleagues to lift the 1% public pay cap, said he understood people were "weary" after seven years of austerity.
But speaking in London, he rejected calls to "take the foot off the pedal".
Government must "hold its nerve" in the face of calls for a "different path" of higher taxes and borrowing, he said.
Mr Hammond is facing a growing chorus from within his own party for him to reconsider the 1% limit on increases in public sector salaries, which has been in place since 2012.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40487982

It would appear a certain female has had a word in his ear.

STEED

07-04-17, 06:19 AM

It would appear a certain female has had a word in his ear.

The Tories are divided and the DUP are pulling the strings on high. Shaping up to be the worst government to date.

STEED

07-04-17, 03:53 PM

Yes Dodgy Dave is back..

Looks Like Mrs May has a fan.
David Cameron calls austerity opponents 'selfish'http://news.sky.com/story/david-cameron-calls-austerity-opponents-selfish-10937029

Jimbuna

07-04-17, 04:01 PM

^He can afford his opinion, unlike many public sector workers.

Hypocrisy at its finest :nope:

STEED

07-04-17, 04:04 PM

^He can afford his opinion, unlike many public sector workers.

Hypocrisy at its finest :nope:

TAX sexual acts on pigs. :shifty: :roll: :03:

Jimbuna

07-05-17, 06:20 AM

A government minister has played down cabinet divisions about whether the cap on public sector pay should be lifted.
Transport Secretary Chris Grayling said there would always be a debate, adding: "We're not all clones."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40504088

Well, you certainly had me fooled :hmmm:

Jimbuna

07-05-17, 06:33 AM

http://i.imgur.com/T2mQyL0.jpg

STEED

07-05-17, 09:17 AM

Theresa May now second most unpopular Tory in Cabinet after support in party collapseshttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-prime-minister-second-most-unpopular-tory-in-cabinet-conservatives-party-support-a7822651.html

Yea but what do the DUP think.

PMQ's 0-0 what a dull one.

STEED

07-06-17, 06:31 AM

Tony Blair was not "straight with the nation" about his decisions in the run up to the Iraq War, the chairman of the inquiry into the war has told the BBC.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40510540

So..

Jimbuna

07-06-17, 10:15 AM

Boris Johnson has dismissed leadership speculation, saying Theresa May has shown "unbelievable grace and steel".
The foreign secretary said the PM had "put things back together and got the show back on the road" after a "difficult" election.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40517324

What's this guy on? :hmmm:

STEED

07-06-17, 07:08 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40517324

What's this guy on? :hmmm:

If it cools you down in hot weather i want it now. :)

Catfish

07-07-17, 02:09 AM

Perfectly easy, if May shows all that "unbelievable grace and steel", all what happens now can be blamed on May, and not on him.It is all a game, for those who have received the education to become politicians and "leaders".
"Asked about about any leadership contest, he said there would not be a vacancy "for a very long time"."
Boris Johnson won his brexit campaign, why should he carry the burden of seeing it through and take the blame :yeah:

Regarding "praising Donald trump's approach to politics", at least he said it only is an approach :haha:

Jimbuna

07-07-17, 08:27 AM

At this rate she'll soon be changing her name from May to Thatcher.

Theresa May has rejected claims the UK is losing global influence because of Brexit, insisting it will continue to be "bold" on the world stage.
Speaking at the G20 summit in Hamburg, the prime minister said in areas like free trade and counter-terrorism, the UK remained a key international player.
Amid speculation about her future after the election, she said she would take a lead, not "sit back" and be "timid".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40530261

Catfish

07-07-17, 11:40 AM

^ What shall she say, she was not for brexit, and now she has to defend it against all.

Let Johnson be prime minister, at least we will have fun :yeah: :yep:

STEED

07-08-17, 04:35 AM

I placed this one in here jim as i'm going to make a broad comment and not focus all of it on Grenfell.

Jeremy Corbyn says Grenfell fire was a 'terrible consequence' of austerity

The Labour leader will criticise Conservative "hypocrisy and dishonesty" and accuse the Tory party of "doing things on the cheap".
http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-says-grenfell-fire-was-a-terrible-consequence-of-austerity-10941057

Granted JC has not made his comment yet but i find that sort of headline cheap and nasty, please do not tell me JC and labour have never done anything on the cheap because in my book they all are at it.

And to use this terrible event for political capital is dam right low of JC who claims he rises up above this sort of thing. I find any politician from any party using terrible events just like this one to score points dam right repugnant. Shame on you JC if you do.

STEED

07-08-17, 04:41 AM

Theresa May unpopular across Europe, YouGov poll findshttp://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-unpopular-across-europe-yougov-poll-finds-10938747

So who likes Mrs May?

Count me out as i find her just as bad as dodgy dave was.

Jimbuna

07-08-17, 08:30 AM

Jimbuna

07-08-17, 08:41 AM

This can only stregthen Mays hand in in Brexit negotiations I should imagine.

US President Donald Trump has said he expects a "powerful" trade deal with the UK to be completed "very quickly".
Speaking at the G20 summit in Hamburg, he said he would visit London. Asked when, he said: "We'll work that out."
In one-to-one talks, Mr Trump and UK Prime Minister Theresa May agreed to prioritise work on a post-Brexit trade deal, a UK government official said.
The president made it clear he believed Britain would "thrive" once it had left the European Union, the official added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40540340

STEED

07-08-17, 12:17 PM

This can only stregthen Mays hand in in Brexit negotiations I should imagine.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40540340

What could be done is a framework of the talks to take place if we leave the EU, that way it would speed things up a bit post Brexit.

Moonlight

07-08-17, 01:00 PM

I placed this one in here jim as i'm going to make a broad comment and not focus all of it on Grenfell.

http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-says-grenfell-fire-was-a-terrible-consequence-of-austerity-10941057

Granted JC has not made his comment yet but i find that sort of headline cheap and nasty, please do not tell me JC and labour have never done anything on the cheap because in my book they all are at it.

And to use this terrible event for political capital is dam right low of JC who claims he rises up above this sort of thing. I find any politician from any party using terrible events just like this one to score points dam right repugnant. Shame on you JC if you do.

Now give me the answer to this old boy, if the boot was on the other foot how much capital would the Tory party and the right wing media be making out of this, Hillsborough disaster and the Sun newspaper anyone?. :o https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/jul/07/pressandpublishing.football1

Theresa May and the rest of her Tory filth would be milking it for all its worth, there's no depth deep enough that these political parties won't sink to even if it involved the deaths of hundreds of people.
To these politicians its all a bloody game old boy, they don't care one bit for the devastated families involved in these tragedies either, any tears shed by these muppets are crocodile ones so why you haven't realised this yet is beyond me. :doh:

STEED

07-08-17, 04:30 PM

^ I do, they are all the same in my book.

STEED

07-08-17, 04:34 PM

May must quit now, says chief Davis ally: Devastating attack by former Chief Whip as 'kamikaze' hardliners move against the PM

Former Tory Cabinet Minister Andrew Mitchell, a close ally of Brexit Secretary David Davis, reportedly said Theresa May had lost all authority and should go
The comments were made during a secret Commons dinner on June 26
Disclosure came amid reports Mr Davis's allies urged him to challenge Mrs May
A 'kamikaze' group of Right-wing Tory MPs said they are ready to risk handing over power to Jeremy Corbyn as it would boost the Tories in the long term

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4678266/May-quit-says-chief-Davis-ally.html

FAT CHANCE.

Catfish

07-08-17, 04:40 PM

This can only stregthen Mays hand in in Brexit negotiations I should imagine. [...]

Good luck with your new friends Erdoghan and Trump :yeah:
if there ever was a reason for the EU to stay together, it has become obvious in this G20 summit.

Jimbuna

07-09-17, 08:07 AM

Good luck with your new friends Erdoghan and Trump :yeah:
if there ever was a reason for the EU to stay together, it has become obvious in this G20 summit.

No friends of mine, my comment was a generalisation, presumed recognition as to how May would perceive the situation and outcome of the meeting.

STEED

07-09-17, 03:18 PM

Labour's "ambition" is to write off all student debt, which would cost £100bn, shadow education secretary Angela Rayner has said.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40547740

Must be great when any party sits on the opposition benches. :03:

STEED

07-09-17, 03:25 PM

Labour's Andy Burnham has told Sky News he is prepared to go the police if the Government does not act on the contaminated blood scandal.http://news.sky.com/story/contaminated-blood-scandal-labours-burnham-threatens-to-go-to-police-10942488

I say go to the police and stop pussy footing around.

Senior Liberal Democrat Sir Vince Cable has said he is "beginning to think Brexit may never happen".http://news.sky.com/story/lib-dem-sir-vince-cable-brexit-may-never-happen-10942299

They will say we are out but we remain in, Brexit is a con job.

Catfish

07-09-17, 03:44 PM

No friends of mine, my comment was a generalisation, presumed recognition as to how May would perceive the situation and outcome of the meeting.

I took it too literally, without thinking; though i should have known what you meant. Sorry.
I just cannot understand the people who voluntarily voted for Trump, or Erdoghan. And i hate our government for obviously thinking that appeasement is the right way.

STEED

07-09-17, 06:07 PM

Theresa May is to say she has an "unshakeable sense of purpose" to build a "fairer Britain" in her first big speech since losing her majority.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40549253

Nice one Mrs May another corker. :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

http://clipart-library.com/images/AcbK4Gd6i.gif

Jimbuna

07-10-17, 11:16 AM

Jeremy Corbyn urges Theresa May: Give us early election

Yeah, right, she'll get straight down to it no doubt. :haha:

Skybird

07-10-17, 11:23 AM

This can only stregthen Mays hand in in Brexit negotiations I should imagine.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40540340
The Donald always talks like thunder, his muscles pumping in his chest. What May needs is that it in fact rains.

Don't bet on it happening.

Jimbuna

07-10-17, 01:17 PM

The Donald always talks like thunder, his muscles pumping in his chest. What May needs is that it in fact rains.

Don't bet on it happening.

Wouldn't dream of it.

There is a saying here in the UK that I firmly believe in: How do you know that a politician is lying? Their lips start moving.

STEED

07-11-17, 05:43 AM

There is a saying here in the UK that I firmly believe in: How do you know that a politician is lying? Their lips start moving.

And their pockets for those secret brown envelopes. :03:

STEED

07-11-17, 05:55 AM

Taylor Review: All work in UK economy should be fairhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40561807

Yea right another feel good report, oh yea how nice it is, will the good bits be bought in to help people? What a hoax, all they will do is bring in more TAX and screw us even more. Lies lies stinking rotten lies.

STEED

07-11-17, 06:02 AM

Tory MP Anne Marie Morris has whip suspended over n-word remarkhttp://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-anne-marie-morris-investigated-over-alleged-n-word-remark-10943881

She should be booted out of the HoC and a by-election to be held and as for the rest of that lot in the meeting who did not raise a eyebrow they too need sorting out.

Jimbuna

07-11-17, 12:46 PM

Boris simply can't help himself :haha:

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has told MPs the European Union can "go whistle" for any "extortionate" final payment from the UK on Brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40571123

STEED

07-11-17, 05:01 PM

Boris simply can't help himself :haha:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40571123

I bet we will give them a big pay off if we leave.

STEED

07-12-17, 05:46 AM

The big knobs are away so for PMQ's we have in the Blue corner Damian Green and in the Red corner we have Emily Thornberry. Who will win, who will loose and will jim be watching eating his curry well in 15 minutes we shall see.

PMQ's comments to follow after i have watched it.

Well 1-0 to Labour giving me a good laugh about Mrs May suggestion boxes all around the HoC. Over all it was a lite version of the normal banter we get.

'Anniversary blues' as Theresa May marks a year as PMhttp://news.sky.com/story/anniversary-blues-as-theresa-may-marks-a-year-as-pm-10945207

Not going to plan Mrs May?

Skybird

07-12-17, 06:01 AM

EU insists on EU court of justice having ultimate jurisdiction in Britain to oversee rights of U citizens living in the renegade province of Britain. Chief negotiatior Barnier says that else British laws just could be unilaterally changed later, at EU foreigners disadvantage.

What he did not say is that if Britain would accept this, Barniers' words are true the other way around as well: the EU court then could legitimize chnages to the final Brexit treaty affecting status of Britains and EU citizens in the "diaspora" :).

What irks me her eis that the EU still acts and wants to deal with this all as if Brexit means nothing and the EU could still be ruling Britain as if it were a member that must obey to the house rules.

The European Court of justice is an explicit body of the EU administration structure and was formed to overlook the implementation of EU laws, treaties and legal framework of the EU. The court is part of the EU's own framework.

If I were a Brit I would already here say: "Lets quit and call it a day. We're done."

STEED

07-12-17, 06:29 AM

If I were a Brit I would already here say: "Lets quit and call it a day. We're done."

The elephant in the room Sky its clear we have no Plan-B or C. No exit plan what so ever if we walk away as it stands.

Skybird

07-12-17, 06:58 AM

Yes, I think so. Threatening a hard Brexit while wanting a soft , a non-Brexit that allows to save one's face by the wordings, but that does not change the substance of the present rules. A mess. The British side should have said before the referendum "Either a clear cut, more or less unnegotiated, or no Brexit happening, period." Instead: weasling, scheming, opportunistically misleading the public, and not meaning what one was telling them.

Result: a position of weakness and helplessness. In such conditions you do not negotiate - you suffer what you must. The other side is determined to turn this into a precedence case, and exmaple that scares all others for all time to come to ever think about leaving the glorious EU.

Johnson, Cameron, May, they all have blown this one big time. And they do not stop their scheming eggdances.

I only would wish those claims by the EU for being paid out by over one hundred billion, would indeed by valid and real, then Britain would have a heavy pound for negotiations, maybe. On the other hand: what do one hundred billions mean if money and value mean nothing anymore, and the differentiation between debt and wealth has become blurred so much that you cannot see it anymore?

Jimbuna

07-12-17, 10:34 AM

I still believe a deal/compromise will be reached but failing that the UK must be prepared to walk away if it becomes necessary.

kraznyi_oktjabr

07-12-17, 11:28 AM

I still believe a deal/compromise will be reached but failing that the UK must be prepared to walk away if it becomes necessary.Although I personally like the idea of flipping a finger to Brussels there is one big financial elephant in the room: if there is no agreement, EU can simply implement import tarifs to cover what you "owe" to them. Although both would lose in that scenario, the hit would be worse in the UK's side than EU's.

Skybird

07-12-17, 01:12 PM

Although both would lose in that scenario, the hit would be worse in the UK's side than EU's.

Tell that Germany. German exports to the UK in 2016 surpassed 86B Euros, with the UK exporting to Germany worth 36B Euros. Thats a factor of roughly 2.5. In totals, Germany has more at stake in having no deal here or getting hit by a regime of mutual economic sanctions between the UK and the EU, than the UK has to loose in totals. Germany is Britain's most important export destination, and Britain is Germany's third biggest export destination (after the US and France). 12% of German EU exports went to the UK. If listing it by foreign trade saldi, the UK even is Germany's biggest partner. As importer to Germany, the UK ranks on 11th place for Germany. In total turenouts, the UK ranks 5th place in Germany's trade statistics.

https://www.destatis.de/DE/ZahlenFakten/GesamtwirtschaftUmwelt/Aussenhandel/Aussenhandel.html#tab175736No2
https://www.destatis.de/DE/ZahlenFakten/GesamtwirtschaftUmwelt/Aussenhandel/Tabellen/RangfolgeHandelspartner.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

Any fail to achieve a mutual agreement will most likely do more damage to Germany, than to Britain. I make no prediction on whether Euronanny Merkel will agree to let her German peasants pay that price, or not. She will chose a decision purely opportunistically, as always, only this is certain. And the Germans will obey. They are very good in that.

Add to that the compensations for membership fees Britain will no more pay once Brexit indeed has turned into an exit.Who do you think is expected to pay most of that? And France's Macroman has blocked regulations and the implementation of EU rules to control banks even tighter, in a bid to convince Banks leavin Lonmdo9n not to go to Frankfurt, but Paris, he also pushes agressively for the collectivisation of debts in th eeurozone, and wants that EU members not havign the Euro nevertheless must sooner or later participate in that debt relief. Net profiteer of all this: France.

So much for the announced honeymoon of the French-German axis.

Total losses for Germany could be higher than British losses, if no deal gets agreed on. However. Germany can digest higher losses probably more easily than the UK can digest even smaller losses. But that is valid for the Germany of the present only. In three years already, this could look completely different already. Wehat goes up, must come down, and Germany flies incredibly high alreeady since incredible eight years already - maintianing that high cruise at the cost of low wages and accumulating plenty of social dynamite.

When we go Baddaboom! , you all will take note of it even if you have been in deep sleep, promised.

kraznyi_oktjabr

07-12-17, 01:35 PM

@Skybird, Thank you! I didn't know it is thtat way in Germany. Ratio for whole EU which I have heard previously was almost exact opposite.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Compromise on UK's departure payments could be win-win in long run, but can you sell that to voters? Scheduled departure for UK (unless agreed otherwise) is spring 2019 which is also when next parliamentary elections will be held in Finland.

mapuc

07-12-17, 03:07 PM

About our election, I have changed a known saying

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on you

Here is what I have changed or added to it

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on you, fool me every time, I will put my vote on you.

Markus

Skybird

07-12-17, 03:19 PM

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on you, fool me every time, I will put my vote on you.

Markus

To cover and hide the disgrace that you allow to get fooled time and again?

https://www.amazon.com/Against-Democracy-Jason-Brennan/dp/0691162603/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499890408&sr=8-1&keywords=against+democracy

https://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Economics-Politics-Perspectives-Democratic/dp/0765808684/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499890632&sr=8-1&keywords=hoppe+democracy

https://www.amazon.de/Prolokratie-Demokratisch-Pleite-Christian-Ortner/dp/3990010476/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499890710&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=ordner+prolokratie

Jimbuna

07-13-17, 08:58 AM

Tell that Germany. German exports to the UK in 2016 surpassed 86B Euros, with the UK exporting to Germany worth 36B Euros. Thats a factor of roughly 2.5. In totals, Germany has more at stake in having no deal here or getting hit by a regime of mutual economic sanctions between the UK and the EU, than the UK has to loose in totals. Germany is Britain's most important export destination, and Britain is Germany's third biggest export destination (after the US and France). 12% of German EU exports went to the UK. If listing it by foreign trade saldi, the UK even is Germany's biggest partner. As importer to Germany, the UK ranks on 11th place for Germany. In total turenouts, the UK ranks 5th place in Germany's trade statistics.

https://www.destatis.de/DE/ZahlenFakten/GesamtwirtschaftUmwelt/Aussenhandel/Aussenhandel.html#tab175736No2
https://www.destatis.de/DE/ZahlenFakten/GesamtwirtschaftUmwelt/Aussenhandel/Tabellen/RangfolgeHandelspartner.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

Any fail to achieve a mutual agreement will most likely do more damage to Germany, than to Britain. I make no prediction on whether Euronanny Merkel will agree to let her German peasants pay that price, or not. She will chose a decision purely opportunistically, as always, only this is certain. And the Germans will obey. They are very good in that.

Add to that the compensations for membership fees Britain will no more pay once Brexit indeed has turned into an exit.Who do you think is expected to pay most of that? And France's Macroman has blocked regulations and the implementation of EU rules to control banks even tighter, in a bid to convince Banks leavin Lonmdo9n not to go to Frankfurt, but Paris, he also pushes agressively for the collectivisation of debts in th eeurozone, and wants that EU members not havign the Euro nevertheless must sooner or later participate in that debt relief. Net profiteer of all this: France.

So much for the announced honeymoon of the French-German axis.

Total losses for Germany could be higher than British losses, if no deal gets agreed on. However. Germany can digest higher losses probably more easily than the UK can digest even smaller losses. But that is valid for the Germany of the present only. In three years already, this could look completely different already. Wehat goes up, must come down, and Germany flies incredibly high alreeady since incredible eight years already - maintianing that high cruise at the cost of low wages and accumulating plenty of social dynamite.

When we go Baddaboom! , you all will take note of it even if you have been in deep sleep, promised.

Spoken/written like a true Englishman (most of it anyway) :)

Jimbuna

07-13-17, 09:00 AM

Theresa May has revealed she shed a "little tear" when she learned the result of the election exit poll suggesting she would lose her majority.
The prime minister said her husband Philip told her the news - and it came as a "complete shock".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40592808

On that I have absolutely no doubt :yep:

Moonlight

07-13-17, 11:06 AM

Only shed a few tears you say, from what I heard about that night If anybody else was in that room with her they would've needed a bleeding canoe. :haha:

Jimbuna

07-14-17, 08:35 AM

Outgoing Lib Dem leader Tim Farron has revealed he decided to quit several weeks before the general election but did not announce his decision publicly.
Mr Farron said he had put the decision "to bed" about two weeks into the campaign, and denied deceiving voters by continuing to fight the election.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40598913

Little more than a lying, hypocritical fraudster imo.

STEED

07-15-17, 07:50 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40592808

On that I have absolutely no doubt :yep:

More like she threw a major fit and demanded blood.

STEED

07-15-17, 07:52 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40598913

Little more than a lying, hypocritical fraudster imo.

Never liked him he is so full of himself busy showing off. As for his PMQ's the bets were if wee tim was in the house as most of the time he was never there.

STEED

07-15-17, 08:22 AM

Teflon Tony is back..Again.

Some EU leaders may be prepared to compromise on the free movement of people to help Britain stay in the single market, Tony Blair has said.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40615119

Go Away. :x

Paging Mr Blair can you give a 30 minute talk for £1Million?

Jimbuna

07-15-17, 09:23 AM

Was wondering how long it would be before Phony Tony made his appearance.

Must be the smell of cash in the air somewhere.

Catfish

07-15-17, 03:30 PM

Spoken/written like a true Englishman (most of it anyway) :)

Question is if that is a compliment :O:

Jimbuna

07-16-17, 08:01 AM

Question is if that is a compliment :O:

Now that is totally dependent on which side of the coin you bet on :03:

Jimbuna

07-16-17, 08:06 AM

Time for a little backtracking me thinks.

Chancellor Philip Hammond hits back over public pay leaks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40623343

STEED

07-16-17, 11:13 AM

Tony Blair: I think Corbyn could be PMhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40624245

http://t00.deviantart.net/VrlR0nlH09lSWdod_ZSIXTHgwsA=/300x200/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre08/1bc6/th/pre/i/2015/092/a/4/ay_caramba__by_juniorgustabo-d48ga36.png

STEED

07-17-17, 07:47 AM

Ministers will be told by Theresa May they should be keeping cabinet discussions private, Number 10 says.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40631522

Yea as if, they can't keep their gobs shut. :03:

Skybird

07-17-17, 11:32 AM

When I said months ago I support and wish the best for the British Brexit and the UK, I was basing on the assumption that the British side would act with determination, swiftness and, most importantly, competence. What I had to take note of instead in the months between the referendum and the present, is a calamity of self-deconstruction, reality denial, and anything but determination. Its a disaster, and I think the Brexit will become a soft/non-Brexit and the path from today to then will be a self-tormenting road of pains and mockery. I would not have believed that the British government could run it so ill-prepared, reality-denying and incompetent, like it does. Naive, and incompetently.

This is the worst way it could have gone so far.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit_uk_596b3fe4e4b03389bb17ed2d?utm_hp_ref=uk

I still have strong sympathy for the idea of Brexit, and wish the UK the best, but I expect the worst now. There are not many encouraging reasons left. Or are there any left at all?

Maybe it is wanted, to torpedo the Brexit vote this way while avoiding criticism of the kind of "You ignored the referendum!" ...?"

Or maybe I just have no clue of the internal rules and ways of British politics. As a foreign observer I nevertheless must say: what I have seen from the UK since the referendum, does not make sense. None at all. I start to think that those wanting to have the referendum getting ignored, will get their way. The question being negotiated now is how to make that non-Brexit happening without getting called out for it.

It was always clear that the EU would not forgive that narcissistic wound cut by the British people. They took their right for freedom, and that is not what a feudal aristocracy forgives. It was clear that the EU would therefore want to create a deterring precedence so that no other EU peasantse ever would dare - would even be capable to imagine - to reject the EU again. Thus it also was clear - at least to me - that Brexit would need to include the will to be determined and to accept inital disadvantages while needing to reorientate/restructure the economy so that Britain could survive economically, as a nation, in a post-EU time, and to sustain the determination to strictly and unwaveringly reject the EU market access. I expected determination. What I see instead so far, is an ungoing process of self-dissolving, and a creeping erosion of the meaning and substance of what "Brexit" necessarily must mean.

If you seek rumble with the Kraken, be prepared to deal with more than just one pair of hostile hands. It becomes more and more obvious that the UK is unbelievably ill-prepared - and still denies realities.

Things run the worst way they could run for the UK so far. No betterment in sight. Blind chicken running around in Downing Street 10. Disasterous. Dear Brits, if this is you idea of how to manage Brexit, you better surrender yesterday.

Moonlight

07-17-17, 11:54 AM

Don't worry about us Brits Skybird as we've got "Strong and Stable" Theresa May in charge of Brexit, someone pass me the sick bag. :o

Skybird

07-17-17, 12:04 PM

^Well - remember one of the first things May did after she became the big fish in Drowning Street 10? She went to Washawaytington. Maybe those hopes she had attached to that, need to falter, too...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4027315/trump-may-tape-leak/

And yes, I warned back then to put your faith in The Donald. With thunderous voice he promised special trade relations and quick deals. Because he knew that words never cost you something, but can make the other happy.

STEED

07-17-17, 12:12 PM

It becomes more and more obvious that the UK is unbelievably ill-prepared - and still denies realities.

Things run the worst way they could run for the UK so far. No betterment in sight. Blind chicken running around in Downing Street 10. Disasterous. Dear Brits, if this is you idea of how to manage Brexit, you better surrender yesterday.

The whole thing was a con and once again the voter has been duped by the very people who are supposed to work for us, Members of Parliament.

We are not leaving people.

Jimbuna

07-17-17, 03:07 PM

Don't write the UK off just yet.

Admittedly it isn't looking too good atm but the UK has stood alone before and will no doubt again.

STEED

07-17-17, 04:18 PM

Don't write the UK off just yet.

Admittedly it isn't looking too good atm but the UK has stood alone before and will no doubt again.

I wrote the UK off 20 years ago jim and its still going down hill to the cliff's edge. Until people wake up there is not much hope.

STEED

07-17-17, 04:23 PM

David Cameron says Tories must do more to inspire peoplehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40630843

That's bloody rich coming from you. :har: :har:

STEED

07-17-17, 04:27 PM

The Electoral Commission is investigating "troubling" claims some voters cast more than one ballot at the General Election.
The watchdog said it had not discovered evidence of widespread abuse, but had received more than 1,000 emails from members of the public, as well as 38 letters from MPs, raising the issue.
The watchdog said it was working with police on how to investigate the claims.
http://news.sky.com/story/electoral-commissions-concerns-over-troubling-voter-fraud-claims-10951815

Old Jezza will be screaming for another General Election. :03:

Moonlight

07-17-17, 05:13 PM

STEED

07-18-17, 04:49 AM

I wonder why these 38 MPs didn't write these letters after the 2015 general election, perhaps they were too busy getting their snouts in the trough before anyone else beat them to it, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eight-police-forces-launch-investigations-into-tory-general-election-2015-fraud-accusations-a7017976.html it'll all be swept under the carpet as per usual.

It will, its been a known fact for years postal voting is way open to abuse and still not a dam thing is done about it. As long as these pigs can walk over us, make a heap of money and not forgetting screwing us that lot will roll around in pig muck laughing all the way.

STEED

07-18-17, 05:11 AM

Five ways Jeremy Corbyn could take powerhttp://news.sky.com/story/five-ways-jeremy-corbyn-could-take-power-10944658

6. A Red Revolution. :hmmm: :03:

Jimbuna

07-18-17, 04:23 PM

I don't think anyone in the cabinet currently want the job and all it currently entails but give a year or so and I expect all that will change.

Just before or after Brexit decisions are finalised.

STEED

07-18-17, 04:26 PM

I don't think anyone in the cabinet currently want the job and all it currently entails but give a year or so and I expect all that will change.

Just before or after Brexit decisions are finalised.

The fire pokers are warming up nicely. :)

Jimbuna

07-18-17, 04:34 PM

The fire pokers are warming up nicely. :)

You into that sort of thing like? :o

STEED

07-18-17, 04:48 PM

You into that sort of thing like? :o
NO..:stare:

Nor pigs heads nor public toilets nor brothels, Tories are perverts.

STEED

07-18-17, 04:54 PM

Nicky Morgan says May should not fight next electionhttp://news.sky.com/video/nicky-morgan-says-may-should-not-fight-next-election-10953213

Bet this BITCH will throw her bra in the ring when the fire pokers come out.

STEED

07-18-17, 05:04 PM

HOW TO SPOT A DUMB TORY..

Lord Mancroft says only hunting groups care about foxeshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40632948

What a http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uUhjsfv7fZk/U5iYgPeP68I/AAAAAAAAI0g/9JBmEs2TGI8/s1600/censored-smiley.png

STEED

07-19-17, 08:11 AM

Breaking News from Sky..

The increase in the state pension age from 67 to 68 will be brought forward, the Work and Pensions Secretary has announced.
It will now take effect between 2037 and 2039, up to nine years earlier than previously planned, Work and Pensions Secretary David Gauke revealed in the Commons.
More follows...http://news.sky.com/story/state-pension-age-increase-from-67-to-68-brought-forward-10954020

No further info yet, will update in due course.

STEED

07-19-17, 08:35 AM

Last PMQ's before the summer break and its 0-0 to both sides still using the same old worn out dull as ditch water.......:yawn: :zzz:

Jimbuna

07-19-17, 09:39 AM

Breaking News from Sky..

No further info yet, will update in due course.

A further stab in the back from the Nasty Party :nope:

The rise in the pension age to 68 will now be phased in between 2037 and 2039, rather than from 2044 as was originally proposed.
Those affected are currently between the ages of 39 and 47.

I'm too old for it to effect me but my children will suffer :shifty:

STEED

07-19-17, 03:12 PM

Six million men and women will have to wait a year longer than they expected to get their state pension, the government has announced.
The rise in the pension age to 68 will now be phased in between 2037 and 2039, rather than from 2044 as was originally proposed.
Those affected are currently between the ages of 39 and 47.
The announcement was made in the Commons by the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, David Gauke.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40658774

I am above that age group but saying that the number of over 65's staying on working is rising. I'm not buying the saying they love work and see no need to retire yet, that may be the case for some but not all.

Many can not afford to retire and have to work on, we are on course for a pension crises and once again that bloody useless lot at Westminster rather kick the can down the road.

STEED

07-19-17, 03:20 PM

Prime Minister Theresa May has warned her warring Cabinet ministers that none of them are "unsackable".http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-there-is-no-such-thing-as-an-unsackable-minister-10954235

Mrs May banging the table with one of her kitten heel shoes. :lost:

Jimbuna

07-20-17, 06:58 AM

If and when May goes she will probably take a few with her.

The burning question is who?

ikalugin

07-20-17, 07:07 AM

Is it true that T26s are twice as expensive as the original estimate was? If so, how would it affect procurement?

Jimbuna

07-20-17, 07:12 AM

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator has urged the UK for more "clarity" on where it stands on key issues such as citizens rights and the "divorce bill".
Michel Barnier said progress had been made in talks with David Davis in areas where the UK position was clear.
But there were still differences on how citizens' residence rights will be "guaranteed" and how it will maintain the common travel area in Ireland.
He was speaking at a media conference at the end of the second week of talks.
Mr Barnier said there had been some areas of agreement about how Britons living abroad and EU nationals living in the UK should be treated after Brexit.
But he said Brussels believed citizens' rights should be backed by the Court of Justice of the European Union - something Prime Minister Theresa May has ruled out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40662740

Some positivity at last but I'm not sure I agree with this so-called 'divorce bill'.

Read this (below) on another forum recently and thought to myself 'the UK certainly repaid all of the lend lease but did the UK receive anything in return for what she gave in Europes hour of need?

It may be the case but if so I honestly can't recall.

A little food for thought Messrs Barnier, Juncker, Tusk et al.

http://i.imgur.com/mIK00wk.jpg

Jimbuna

07-20-17, 07:14 AM

Is it true that T26s are twice as expensive as the original estimate was? If so, how would it affect procurement?

Care to explain the above?

ikalugin

07-20-17, 07:29 AM

I was talking about the Type-26 Global Combat Ship procurement program, which appears to be 1.3b GBP per ship vs 0.6b GBP originally planned for.

Which makes me wonder, if the cut down to 8 ships from 13 was done due to 0.6b GBP being a price too high, what would happen at 1.3b GBP price?

Jimbuna

07-20-17, 07:53 AM

Some information can be found here: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/britains-future-frigates-06268/

But this is getting off topic I believe.

ikalugin

07-20-17, 07:57 AM

But this is getting off topic I believe.
:(

I wish there was a topic for RN discussion, the good old RN really seems out of luck, atleast in terms of procurement programs, in recent years.

Jimbuna

07-20-17, 08:09 AM

:(

I wish there was a topic for RN discussion, the good old RN really seems out of luck, atleast in terms of procurement programs, in recent years.

You could consider creating a thread in the 'Sub & Naval Discussions: News, Books, Films, and Models' part of the forum: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=186

STEED

07-22-17, 09:38 AM

The new Liberal Democrat leader is Vince Cable....AGAIN! :haha: :har:

Doing a Nigel a Vince. :03: :O:

Jimbuna

07-22-17, 09:45 AM

Well he's certainly got nothing to lose....the Lib Dems haven't won a thing :)

Skybird

07-22-17, 11:01 AM

On the NHS' misery: https://mises.org/blog/does-britain-have-world%E2%80%99s-best-health-system-only-if-you-ignore-outcomes

STEED

07-22-17, 04:20 PM

UKIP News..
Beverly Martin defection: UKIP loses control of its only councilhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40691149

Yes again..:doh:

UKIP to probe AM's racial slur about black MP Chuka Umunnahttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-40693162

UKIP like the Tories and Labour are tearing themselves apart and only the LibDems seem not too but no one gives a hoot about them.

Jimbuna

07-23-17, 07:13 AM

Some food for thought in the video contained within this article.

Why did (almost) everyone call the election wrong (again)?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40633025

bertieck476

07-23-17, 12:35 PM

I see Jeremy Corbyn is now back pedalling on one of his election bribes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40697326

STEED

07-23-17, 03:49 PM

I see Jeremy Corbyn is now back pedalling on one of his election bribes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40697326

During the campaign, the Labour leader said he would "deal with" the issue of graduates burdened with debt since tuition fees rose to £9,000.

Not sure if that is true as his wording is open to interpretation.

STEED

07-23-17, 03:55 PM

Scottish Conservative Leader Ruth Davidson has warned the UK government it must show greater leadership if it wants to survive.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40699161

Butch Ruth gunning for the No.1 spot? :hmmm:

Jimbuna

07-24-17, 06:19 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40699161

Butch Ruth gunning for the No.1 spot? :hmmm:

Not a hope in hell whilst David Davis and Boris Johnson are still drawing breath.

Jimbuna

07-24-17, 06:23 AM

This guy must be a serious contender for blithering idiot of Westminster....he simply can't help himself :hmmm:

A traditional Maori greeting could be mistaken "in a pub in Glasgow", Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has joked.
On a visit to New Zealand, Mr Johnson thanked locals for teaching him the hongi greeting, in which people touch their noses together.
He said it was a "beautiful form of introduction - though it might be misinterpreted in a pub in Glasgow if you were to try it".

Responding to the Glasgow reference in Mr Johnson's joke, the SNP said he had "made a career out of travelling the globe with his foot firmly in his mouth".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40705216

bertieck476

07-24-17, 11:39 AM

Not sure if that is true as his wording is open to interpretation.
It was very clear at the time how it was being interpreted, with labours better than expected results partly due to the younger vote turning out, maybe because they thought that tuition fees would be scrapped and there debt written off, perhaps they should have clarified the position at the time.
As it is, Jeremy's admission that they didn't know how much it would cost just enforces the fact that labour cannot be trusted with the economy.

STEED

07-24-17, 05:53 PM

It was very clear at the time how it was being interpreted, with labours better than expected results partly due to the younger vote turning out, maybe because they thought that tuition fees would be scrapped and there debt written off, perhaps they should have clarified the position at the time.
As it is, Jeremy's admission that they didn't know how much it would cost just enforces the fact that labour cannot be trusted with the economy.

If it was made crystal clear wonder how many young voters would have bothered if Labour had no plans.

STEED

07-24-17, 05:57 PM

Not a hope in hell whilst David Davis and Boris Johnson are still drawing breath.

BJ is out the running for being a fruitcake and DD is not doing a grand Brexit. Big butch Ruth could rock the boat and look good in the modern voters eye.

Jimbuna

07-25-17, 12:32 PM

BJ is out the running for being a fruitcake and DD is not doing a grand Brexit. Big butch Ruth could rock the boat and look good in the modern voters eye.

I doubt the English voter would select a Scottish based politician.

Sad state of affairs IMHO but I honestly believe that to be the case.

Jimbuna

07-25-17, 12:34 PM

Plans to ban leaseholds on new-build houses in England

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40711013

Now this measure certainly has my support.

I remember back in the day when I first went into home ownership and my first property was subject to a lease which went up each year by 25% or more.

Just another measure by the financial institutions to wring more blood out of the stone.

MGR1

07-25-17, 03:56 PM

I doubt the English voter would select a Scottish based politician.

Sad state of affairs IMHO but I honestly believe that to be the case.

Agreed. The only way around that would be for Ruth to stand in an English constituency.

Unfortunately for her, if she "runs off to Westminster" it'll do a tremendous amount of harm for the Tory comeback in Scotland. It'll reinforce the idea that the party cares not a jot for this part of the UK. It does appear that she appreciates this:

Con Home article. (https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/06/andy-mciver-im-sorry-to-bring-more-bad-news-but-davidson-wont-be-heading-to-westminster.html)

Ultimately, Davidson would serve Scotland better by staying put at Holyrood. If the Tories ever manage to form a workable administration there, then they might be able to repair the bridges and goodwill toward Scotland in the rest of the UK broken by the SNP. However that's a big ask - the voting system for Holyrood is designed specifically to prevent one party majority rule (2011 was a fluke result), thus enforcing coalitions (SLab's machinations again). At the moment, none of the other parties at the Scottish Parliament would be likely to support a Tory government. FPTP would be even worse due to likely voting patterns - 41% of Scotland's population live in the Western Central Belt with the result that's where most of Scotland's constituencies are concentrated. The political proclivities of that area would effectively guarantee a left wing one party state (Greater Weegiedonia?) under such a system.

The political right still has some way to go in Scotland.

Mike.:hmmm:

Moonlight

07-25-17, 06:11 PM

Ruth Davidson has hit the nail right on the head in this article, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4082268/conservative-ruth-davidson-has-scot-what-is-takes-to-ko-undeserving-rich-fatcats/ she would make a better PM than all those other muppet contenders if she'd just ride roughshod over those parasites who don't deserve their privileged status, put your name in the hat Ruthy babe and go and kick some Westminster ass. :D
Unfortunately she'll be corrupted almost immediately by her new found power and she'll backtrack on everything she's said in that article above.
It won't be long before the working class will say enough's enough and start downing tools, so go on Ruth grow a pair and put into practice what you preach.

Jimbuna

07-26-17, 09:37 AM

Employment tribunal fees unlawful, Supreme Court rules

Fees for those bringing employment tribunal claims have been ruled unlawful, and the government will now have to repay up to £32m to claimants.
The government introduced fees of up to £1,200 in 2013 to reduce the number of malicious and weak cases, but that led to a 79% reduction over three years.
Trade union Unison argued the fees prevented workers accessing justice.
The Ministry of Justice said the government would take immediate steps to stop charging and refund payments.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40727400

Another small step but in the right direction.

STEED

07-27-17, 05:36 PM

^Don't worry governments always rack back any lost. :03:

Jimbuna

07-28-17, 10:27 AM

Diane Abbott: 'Single market is still on the table'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40748965/diane-abbott-single-market-is-still-on-the-table

Oh, just shut up woman!!

STEED

07-28-17, 05:39 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40748965/diane-abbott-single-market-is-still-on-the-table

Oh, just shut up woman!!

:har::har::har::har::har:

Diane bleep bleep that's all folks barking mad Abbott. :doh:

STEED

07-31-17, 01:35 PM

Iraq War: Bid to prosecute Tony Blair rejected by High Courthttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40775725

No http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uUhjsfv7fZk/U5iYgPeP68I/AAAAAAAAI0g/9JBmEs2TGI8/s1600/censored-smiley.pngman..

Catfish

07-31-17, 02:01 PM

Iraq War: Bid to prosecute Tony Blair rejected by High Court

What's next, prosecuting the then US president and the CIA for lying, along with all those who joined voluntarily? Freedom fries! :haha:

STEED

07-31-17, 05:42 PM

Remainers in the Cabinet take advantage of PM's holiday absencehttp://news.sky.com/story/remainers-in-the-cabinet-take-advantage-of-pms-holiday-absence-10969179

The whole thing was a mess to present and what is around the corner will be a mess. Political in fighting among the cabinet to the party and opposition is going to land this country into a mess. That is to say another mess on top of so many others people just to quote Winston Churchill..Keep buggering on.

STEED

08-01-17, 03:37 PM

Theresa May sings God Save The Queen in Italian hotel barhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40788672

Crap we got a barking mad PM!..:doh:

Jimbuna

08-02-17, 07:14 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40788672

Crap we got a barking mad PM!..:doh:

Well, that's more than Corbyn ever did.

Jimbuna

08-02-17, 07:15 AM

Corbyn snubs war dead: Labour leader turns down Passchendaele memorial to go on holiday.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/835927/Jeremy-Corbyn-Passchendaele-battle-invite-holiday

Hopefully the electorate will treat him similarly at any future election :nope:

Skybird

08-02-17, 09:23 AM

Considering the severity of the consequences of certain political decisions and misjudgements, no longer voting somebody into office hardly can be seen as an adequate form of holding that someone "responsible". Thats like giving a bank robber who killed two clerks and injured customers before escaping with 2 million, an order to stay away form the house, and thats it.

Everybody is liable for his deeds and actions. Politicians are the only ones who make it a rule to escape that rule. Unacceptable. That the scum raises to the top in government (Hayek) maybe has somethign to do with this state of things...? If evolution fails to sort out those unfit to survive (not imaginable a scenario if you understand what the term evolution means in processing existence, but just for a imaginery illustration), what do you get? A species of unfit individuals. No surprise then if such a species fails and fails and ever growing frequency and intensity. Medicine knows exmaples of that it is right like this.

Never shall politicians be allowed to exclude themselves form the rules they lay down for others - or to make a legal claim that they shall not be responisble for what they do. And responsibility - is more than just a ritualised verbal phrase. It is action, compensation, maybe penalty.

Catfish

08-02-17, 10:52 AM

[...]Hopefully the electorate will treat him similarly at any future election :nope:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoRsF3pAj-4

Skybird had posted this, do you still think that this public "mourning" (you could call it populistic abusing and justifying wrong decisions) can be a real excuse to dead men, or really reminds "patriotic" politicians like May of the past, and how to avoid it?
It is May's job as the prime minister and others in charge to go there, and not Corbyn's. Why weren't you there, or me?

STEED

08-02-17, 04:59 PM

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/835927/Jeremy-Corbyn-Passchendaele-battle-invite-holiday

Hopefully the electorate will treat him similarly at any future election :nope:

Considering the youth vote boosted old JC the bulk of the youth rather go out and get drunk and laid. The kick in the ballot box will only happen if old JC snubs his youth vote and kicks them in the wallet.

Jimbuna

08-03-17, 07:52 AM

UK diplomats' families withdrawn from Venezuela

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40800727

Matters are fast escalating over there.

STEED

08-03-17, 05:19 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40800727

Matters are fast escalating over there.

And here..

Jeremy Corbyn under pressure to condemn Venezuela http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-under-pressure-to-condemn-venezuela-10970635

Venezuela: Labour row over crisis in South American nation rumbles onhttp://news.sky.com/story/venezuela-labour-row-over-crisis-in-south-american-state-rumbles-on-10971891

Jimbuna

08-04-17, 05:38 AM

I'm hopeful the border arrangements with Ireland will remain unchanged.

It took many years and cost many lives to get to where we are at now.

The Irish prime minister, Leo Varadkar, has said he does not want an economic border between Britain and Ireland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40819687

STEED

08-05-17, 04:45 AM

Election 2017: Tories 'should have focused on change'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40835888

Sour grapes as I see Nick Timothy...

was joint chief of staff alongside Fiona Hill, and co-wrote the Conservatives' manifesto going into the general election.

I would say you bogged up so live with it. :O:

Jimbuna

08-05-17, 09:33 AM

Lord Sugar: Theresa May would be fired on The Apprentice

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40827527/lord-sugar-theresa-may-would-be-fired-on-the-apprentice

Too bloody right!!

:haha:

STEED

08-05-17, 04:27 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40827527/lord-sugar-theresa-may-would-be-fired-on-the-apprentice

Too bloody right!!

:haha:

The whole rotten filthy perverted corrupt load of money grabbing pigs on the take are unfit to be PM and MP's. Better off voting for jim's dog. :)

STEED

08-06-17, 08:10 AM

May wasted a year and has no 'Brexit plan B', warns former Bank of England boss King as he blasts PM for failing to prepare for EU talkshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764636/May-wasted-year-no-Brexit-plan-B-warns-King.html

I still think we are staying and the whole thing was a lie. :yep:

Jimbuna

08-06-17, 08:17 AM

I hope it isn't the case but I can see the UK simply walking away if May believes she has a majority in Westminster to see her through the process.

STEED

08-06-17, 08:20 AM

I hope it isn't the case but I can see the UK simply walking away if May believes she has a majority in Westminster to see her through the process.

That could play right into Labour's hands and force a vote of no confidence in the government.

Jimbuna

08-06-17, 08:29 AM

In the meantime, the new leader of that large and powerful political party the LibDems, has stated that he believes the older generation have 'shafted' the younger generation over the Brexit votr.

Older people who voted for Brexit have "comprehensively shafted the young", Sir Vince Cable has said.
Writing in the Mail on Sunday, the Lib Dem leader accused the over-65s of being "self-declared martyrs" who claim leaving the EU is worth the cost.
"The martyrdom of the old comes cheap," he said, as fewer have jobs to lose and living standards are protected by the triple lock on pensions.
"For the Brexit martyrs, paradise beckons," he added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017

Most strange because I was of the understanding the referendum allowed equality in giving everyone the same single vote :hmmm:

Of course, it is common knowledge that the elderly generally get to the voting stations to exercise their voting rights whilst a considerable number of the younger generation usually can't be bothered....so who's fault is that then?

STEED

08-06-17, 08:37 AM

In the meantime, the new leader of that large and powerful political party the LibDems, has stated that he believes the older generation have 'shafted' the younger generation over the Brexit votr.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017

Most strange because I was of the understanding the referendum allowed equality in giving everyone the same single vote :hmmm:

Of course, it is common knowledge that the elderly generally get to the voting stations to exercise their voting rights whilst a considerable number of the younger generation usually can't be bothered....so who's fault is that then?

Right on jim, I recall the young at the Glastonbury festival were moaning and groaning at the result the day after. Well excuse me you bunch of slobs who felt partying it up and rolling around in the mud was far more important too you than voting to remain. The fault lays with them so....SHUT UP YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO VOTE AND YOU BLEW IT!

As for VC clearly doing a JC copy cat and sucking up to the young.