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MGR1

05-19-17, 12:31 PM

Theresa May and Ruth Davidson launch the Scottish Conservative manifesto:

Election 2017: May and Davidson promise to stand up to SNP (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39968167)

Due to devolution, the SCons are pitching themselves somewhat differently from the main UK Party:

At-a-glance: Scottish Conservative manifesto (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39977611)

Key points from the Scottish Conservative manifesto

In education the manifesto says there should be a review of the national curriculum in Scottish schools - Curriculum for Excellence.
On energy, the party says it would give "support" to the shale gas industry in Scotland.
In local government, the document backs the idea of directly elected "provosts for cities, councils or regions in Scotland who could drive economic policy".
On tax, it would "press the Scottish government to raise the threshold for the higher rate of income tax to £50,000.
In the field of transport the party supports a "Road Maintenance Fund in Scotland, inviting local authorities to bid for money to fix potholes".
On welfare, the Conservatives want to protect universal Winter Fuel Payments for all older people, with no means-testing in Scotland, unlike the policy for England.
And the party wants to see 100,000 homes built in Scotland over the next five years.

However, why didn't they come out with this at the Holyrood election last year? To implement some of this they have to be the biggest party in the Scottish Parliament.....

Mike.:hmmm:

STEED

05-19-17, 06:04 PM

Nah, STEED couldn't be bothered to make the effort at his age.

I am not into having a orange gerbil walking around my head. :)

STEED

05-19-17, 06:25 PM

Vote 2017: Sky News' comprehensive guide to election nighthttp://news.sky.com/story/vote-2017-sky-news-comprehensive-guide-to-election-night-10880578

I know this much I'm working up to 2 or 3 in the morning, woohoo double money after midnight. :DL

I suspect the time i get in from work the Tories would have done it or very near to the winning post.

STEED

05-19-17, 06:30 PM

Time for the first general election caption competition..

http://e3.365dm.com/17/05/1096x616/497bb2481156748c06874a8002f010c141fbcbeb2d2ba120e4 0a1e2df7308b35_3957934.jpg?20170519181515

Ruth Davidson :- Last one on stage is a big stinker.

Jimbuna

05-19-17, 07:05 PM

Hard to choose between the two!!

STEED

05-20-17, 07:28 AM

Hard to choose between the two!!

Jim you need a few beers, that one was dull, try again.

STEED

05-20-17, 07:31 AM

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-lib-dems-have-put-nigel-farages-face-on-theresa-mays-head-in-a-striking-election-poster-2017-5

Another one like that and they may get my vote :haha: :haha:

Jimbuna

05-20-17, 08:51 AM

Corbyn: Labour is committed to renewing Trident

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39984070

I think someone needs to make up their mind and quickly.

STEED

05-20-17, 05:32 PM

Corbyn: Labour is committed to renewing Trident

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39984070

I think someone needs to make up their mind and quickly.

Until he comes to power and puts the whole thing on the back burner. Nothing new there as they all play that card giving their excuses. :03:

MGR1

05-21-17, 08:14 AM

Umm... can anyone see the problem with this Scottish Labour poster in East Renfrewshire?

https://i.redd.it/77ujyh0z8qyy.jpg

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/6cd01c/so_this_is_what_labour_are_reduced_to/?sort=new

Article on SLab's woes in The Scotsman: Euan McColm: Scottish Labour in a mess over Aberdeen Tory coalition (http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/euan-mccolm-scottish-labour-in-a-mess-over-aberdeen-tory-coalition-1-4452123)

Mike.

Jimbuna

05-21-17, 11:12 AM

General election 2017: Labour will 'in effect' end benefit freeze

When pushed about what level of economic growth would be needed for Labour to deliver its plans, Mr McDonnell insisted the party's proposals were "completely cost neutral... because for everything you put in, you get the money back".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39991866

Would love to see some hard facts and figures to back the above up.

Moonlight

05-21-17, 03:30 PM

^Ditto. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/damian-green-winter-fuel-allowance_uk_59216c9fe4b03b485cb22df4?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D613291533 _uk
Tory Minister Admits He Has No Idea How Many Pensioners Will Lose The Winter Fuel Allowance

Damian Green struggled to defend the lack of detail in the Tory manifesto

When asked where the Tories were going to find an extra £8billion promised for the NHS, Green suggested it would not be new cash, and said: “A lot of it is retargeted money from within the system”

Well we know one thing you slimeball it won't be coming from your top 10% earners or your tax dodging companies you're so fond of will it, this is just your typical Tory scum in action, vote for you pillocks?, not a chance you scumbags. :doh:

STEED

05-21-17, 03:43 PM

May had been on course for a landslide with a majority of up to 150 seats, opinion polls had indicated in the early stages of campaigning ahead of the June 8 national vote.
Four polls on Saturday however showed the Conservatives with an expected vote share of between 44 and 46 percent, still easily ahead of the Labour Party on 33 to 35 percent, but pointing to a smaller projected majority of about 40 seats.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-election-poll-yougov-idUKKCN18G0XF

May is losing the grey vote and its the grey vote that really counts.

STEED

05-21-17, 03:46 PM

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised after he refused five times to directly condemn the IRA in an interview with Sky News.http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-labour-wants-fair-immigration-based-on-the-needs-of-our-society-10886500

Jim can you throw any light on JC's reasons why he would not? :hmmm:

Catfish

05-22-17, 03:20 AM

You can bash 'Labour' as much as you want, or like Ukip and Farage.
For me it does not make much sense.

The Tories publish a manifesto that says what they will do, without presenting any numbers or how to finance that. Out of the single market and "hard brexit" and sh!t on Scotland and Ireland. Bravo!
Labour publishes a paper where they exactly say how they want to finance their plans. But they are all idiots!

Then this "election" next time, May has always ruled out holding an election, because it would bring additional uncertainty to the UK at a time when continuity was needed.
May is not popular, she has no mandate, the opposition is as weak as never and she sees a chance to move the UK to the right.
Does no one see what is being done there?

Then that: Uk should be the global leader in internet regulation:
"The plans will allow Britain to become "the global leader in the regulation of the use of personal data and the internet", the manifesto claims." (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html)

:doh:

Catfish

05-22-17, 04:13 AM

http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-labour-wants-fair-immigration-based-on-the-needs-of-our-society-10886500

Jim can you throw any light on JC's reasons why he would not? :hmmm:

Clear as mud. Tories/Rights want to bring up the tide against Corbyn, because they hope voters will be outraged blahblah.

"Mr Wallace, who served as an Army officer in Northern Ireland, said: "People up and down the country will rightly be outraged that Jeremy Corbyn won't unequivocally condemn the IRA for the bloodshed, bombs and brutal murders they inflicted on a generation of innocent people."

No wonder some Security Minister Wallace says that. What do you expect from a former army officer, now in security? I guess they just could not find any Irish person for a comment.
So, BS. Corbyn directly says he condemns the bombing, but he also clearly sees what went wrong back then. He obviously wants to keep the door open, since the last the UK needs now is an uprising of the militant IRA due to Mays snobbing and the course out of the EU, on which Ireland and Scotland now have to follow. Because of England.

Jimbuna

05-22-17, 05:41 AM

http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-labour-wants-fair-immigration-based-on-the-needs-of-our-society-10886500

Jim can you throw any light on JC's reasons why he would not? :hmmm:

I gave up trying to understand what Corbyn was about the day after he became the leader of my party but a quick Google search will unearth the number of meetings and rallies he has attended that were pro-terrorist.

All of that his his business and certainly none of mine.

STEED

05-22-17, 05:58 AM

Then that: Uk should be the global leader in internet regulation:
"The plans will allow Britain to become "the global leader in the regulation of the use of personal data and the internet", the manifesto claims." (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html)

:doh:

Nothing new there, personal data is being collected here there and every where and also being stolen off your PC's. No doubt some one has had a good snoop around on mind and tough luck I keep all sensitive and personal stuff off my PC. I said it years ago your personal information is the new currency, and it is going to get worst world wide.

STEED

05-22-17, 06:12 AM

The Prime Minister has climbed down on her social care reform after an angry backlash over the so-called "dementia tax".

Theresa May has announced there will be an "absolute limit" on how much people will have to pay for their social care in a watering down of her reform, announced at the party manifesto launch less than a week ago.http://news.sky.com/story/conservatives-climbdown-over-dementia-tax-after-backlash-10888708

Hmmm that 150 now looking like 40 has caused a flap at Tory HQ. :hmmm:

Jimbuna

05-22-17, 11:05 AM

Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said: "This is May's Manifesto Meltdown - in a matter of days she has gone from Margaret Thatcher to Corporal Jones. It's more don't panic Captain Mainwaring than strong and stable."

I thought the above was great :)

Jimbuna

05-22-17, 11:09 AM

Anyone not yet registered in the UK has until midnight tonight to do so.

General election 2017: Voter registration deadline looms

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39994892

STEED

05-22-17, 11:37 AM

STEED

05-22-17, 11:40 AM

Anyone not yet registered in the UK has until midnight tonight to do so.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39994892

Yes the young will make a mad dash to register and come the big day most will not vote then go screaming into the night while some others will say..What more I had to vote, yea right my pint and chips come first.

STEED

05-22-17, 11:45 AM

Green Party manifesto outlines plans for four-day weekhttp://news.sky.com/story/green-party-manifesto-outlines-plans-for-four-day-week-10889120

I may go hippy on the big day. :|\\ :haha:

STEED

05-22-17, 12:08 PM

How should politicians reconnect with voters?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40000449

How about trying to work for us for a change. :yep:

Catfish

05-23-17, 01:44 AM

^ working for the people, i'm sure most politicians already say so, only that they behave a bit different. "They" in power only want to make it appear as if power was closer to the people, not to really act like it.

"Both Labour and the Liberal Democrats are promising a constitutional convention on ideas for a more federalised country and the Conservatives say they are committed to "ensuring that power sits closer to the people of the United Kingdom than ever before".

Really, decentralising London and physically (!) scattering ministries all over the country will bring more power to the people? People are not that easily fooled.
And, a federalised country? I thought this was why the EU was rejected.

"Money that comes back from the EU after Brexit will, they say, be put into a UK Shared Prosperity Fund designed to reduce inequalities between communities across the four nations. Although Whitehall will still have the final say, there is a promise to consult widely including with the devolved administrations."

"They say", well. Interesting, this is exactly what the EU has done and does all the time, helping smaller communities and projects that would not see help by their own government for lack of funding money. Not to forget defending rights and values against the "greater good" of local governments. I do not think that any of the four countries of the UK will be better off regarding local and infrastructure help, after wrexit ;)

Eichhörnchen

05-23-17, 03:36 AM

Catfish

05-23-17, 03:55 AM

Of course I have no stake in this matter. I understand Jim B. for his being against Corbyn for the troubled past, i can understand how one can be against or for May, depending on p.o.v. Still both 'strong' candidates are much better than someone like Trump, whoever gets through in the end.

imho it depends on whether you vote "strategically", so to speak give the one the vote that has a real chance, and who suits you better (if only a tiny bit), or vote with your real idea, or ideal. Like .. UKIP :O:
Ok i guess i'll better stay out of here –

MGR1

05-23-17, 06:23 AM

No electioneering today, for obvious reasons.

SNP manifesto was to be unveiled, but has been put on hold until further notice.

Mike.

STEED

05-23-17, 07:29 AM

How to vote? I have no inclinations to any party except maybe the Greens and their support for the idea of the National Wage and I don't normally get into the political threads on the forum, but in my (uneducated) view we've got a stark choice: (a) Jeremy Corbyn (who's said plenty of things I couldn't agree with) and his plans to SPEND UP on the NHS, education, social care and mental health; this might see him run out of cash and borrow the Nation in a financial pit... then (b) Theresa May, who will likely take OUR our pension guarantees, social welfare (i.e. disability benefits), OUR houses (social care in old age) and dump EACH of us lower income types into our OWN personal financial pit. No difficult choice for me.

Eichhörnchen it comes down to who is going to slap you in the face the less and how much they are going to rob you.

No electioneering today, for obvious reasons.

SNP manifesto was to be unveiled, but has been put on hold until further notice.

Mike. Probably the week end or early next week a low key event in the light of Manchester.

ikalugin

05-23-17, 07:48 PM

So Conservatives are now set to win in a landslide and impose all the internet censorship that they would like?

Catfish

05-24-17, 01:37 AM

The United Pingdom.

Jimbuna

05-24-17, 06:58 AM

So UKIP decide not to be party to the current agreed position regarding the terrorist attack and the election campaign.

I reckon this decision will only damage UKIP even more so than they already are.

UKIP leader Paul Nuttall says he is set to resume election campaigning in the wake of the Manchester terror attack.
Explaining his decision to launch his party's manifesto on Thursday, Mr Nuttall said: "We cannot be cowed or allow our life to be undermined by those who wish to do us harm."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40026416

STEED

05-24-17, 01:23 PM

UKIP is a dead duck at this election so his thinking is so we loose a few more votes so what. Question is like Labour can they recover enough in five years well as it stands for both i would say no.

MGR1

05-24-17, 03:12 PM

I can see Nuttal's point - either you carry on as before or you let the terrorists force you into changing your behaviour.

It's a tricky balancing act.

Mike.

Jimbuna

05-25-17, 10:17 AM

UKIP is a dead duck at this election so his thinking is so we loose a few more votes so what. Question is like Labour can they recover enough in five years well as it stands for both i would say no.

I can see Nuttal's point - either you carry on as before or you let the terrorists force you into changing your behaviour.

It's a tricky balancing act.

Mike.

I agree with all of the above :yep:

STEED

05-25-17, 04:56 PM

I had Labour banging on my door the other day and choosing too ignore my NO COLD CALLERS sign. Lucky for them i was busy and noted their departure though my gate from the bathroom. Lots of Labour and LibDem leaflets rec'd, none from the Tories and Greens so far.

Jimbuna

05-26-17, 05:35 AM

There's time yet, I'm sure the postman is looking forward to lugging them over his shoulder for most of the day :)

Jimbuna

05-26-17, 05:37 AM

Well, the election campaign resumes today and Captain Obvious makes the first move: Corbyn links terror threat to wars abroad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427

MGR1

05-26-17, 01:40 PM

Seems the IFS isn't altogether convinced by the spending/tax proposals of either the Cons or Lab:

Tories and Labour not being honest with voters: IFS (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40057115)

Neither the Conservatives nor Labour are being honest with voters about the economic consequences of their policy proposals, an influential think tank has warned.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said the Tories had very few tax or spending commitments in their manifesto.
Labour, in contrast, was proposing very big increases in tax and spending.
However, the IFS said Labour's plans for paying for its proposed expansion in state activity would not work.
Meanwhile, Ruth Davidson was the last of the Scottish party leaders to appear on Good Morning Scotland:

Election 2017: Davidson says immigrants find Scotland 'unattractive' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40044927)

Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson said there were issues around why Scotland appeared to be "uniquely unattractive" to immigrants.
She told BBC Radio's Good Morning Scotland programme that being the "highest taxed part" of the UK disadvantaged the country.
Ms Davidson said she believed there was a need for a better immigration system.
TBH, immigration is neither here nor there - what isn't being discussed is Scotland's emigration problem. Arguably, Scotland's biggest export has always been it's population. Perhaps the various parties should be discussing how best to persuade Scots to stay and help the local economy develop rather than squabble over immigration.

Mike.

STEED

05-26-17, 03:55 PM

There's time yet, I'm sure the postman is looking forward to lugging them over his shoulder for most of the day :)

A Tory leaflet has landed on the door mat, i could not be bothered to pick it up.

Jimbuna

05-27-17, 05:47 AM

A Tory leaflet has landed on the door mat, i could not be bothered to pick it up.

You must have a messy passageway then :)

STEED

05-27-17, 07:07 AM

You must have a messy passageway then :)

Slipped on the heavy duty gloves to remove it.

Well as we head into the home straight the big guns will come out and the campaign will get nasty. As for posters and bill boards around here most are LibDems with a splatter of Labour and Greens.

STEED

05-27-17, 07:24 AM

STEED

05-27-17, 07:33 AM

The Labour leader will kick off Cup final day by highlighting a party manifesto commitment to ensure 5% of the Premier League's TV income goes to the grassroots game.http://news.sky.com/story/labour-seeks-back-of-the-net-with-pledge-to-divert-cash-to-grassroots-game-10894602

Too be honest the economy is far more important than this one.

Jimbuna

05-27-17, 10:03 AM

Listening on the radio last night about a poll by The Times, care too note I'm not sure if that is the correct newspaper, any how It was bad for the Tories looking at a victory of 3 to 4 seats or a hung Parliament. One thing is clear the big 150 Tory mayoralty is now a pipe dream.

I would agree, the margins are closing according to some of the polls but I still believe the major stumbling block is the unpopularity of Corbyn.

STEED

05-27-17, 04:17 PM

I would agree, the margins are closing according to some of the polls but I still believe the major stumbling block is the unpopularity of Corbyn.

In many ways jim it would be better if the Tories have a small majority instead of a run away majority. And if a Hung Parliament comes around this would weaken PM May and cause in fighting in the Tory party.

STEED

05-27-17, 04:25 PM

Gids hits out..

Former Chancellor George Osborne has said the Conservatives have failed to think through commitments made in their election manifesto.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40071822

He also defended an Evening Standard headline denouncing Mrs May's pledge to get annual net migration below 100,000 as "politically rash and economically illiterate".
"The Evening Standard is saying `You have got a promise to reduce immigration so tell us how you are going to do it.
I can not believe I am agreeing with him but yes I would like too know.

Jimbuna

05-28-17, 11:19 AM

The time is ripe for Gideon to get his revenge for his dismissal by May.

Let the bun fight begin.

STEED

05-28-17, 04:20 PM

The time is ripe for Gideon to get his revenge for his dismissal by May.

Let the bun fight begin.

This is just a broadside, bet he will fire all guns and make her know it and feel it when May slips up.

Moving on to this...The Yorkshire Party

That's in your neck of the woods jim, now you can vote lucky you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40017537

STEED

05-28-17, 04:22 PM

May and Corbyn to face live TV audience in 'Battle for Number 10'http://news.sky.com/story/may-and-corbyn-to-face-live-tv-audience-in-battle-for-number-10-10896898

Better get a beer in and a bag of popcorn.

Jimbuna

05-29-17, 07:24 AM

http://news.sky.com/story/may-and-corbyn-to-face-live-tv-audience-in-battle-for-number-10-10896898

Better get a beer in and a bag of popcorn.

Yeah, should make for some worthwhile entertainment. I've got the son and heir (staunch Tory) coming round to watch it as he says "Dad, you're not in the Labour Party anymore so surely that makes you a Tory". :o

STEED

05-29-17, 11:59 AM

Jim, he just gave you a reason to stick his his rent up. :haha:

STEED

05-29-17, 12:05 PM

UKIP leader Paul Nuttall has suggested the detention without trial of suspected terrorists.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40086126

Interesting he should say that as on LBC Radio last night the same thing came up from remarks by a high ranking police officer who was a Muslim. Most people agreed even other Muslims, getting back to UKIP he's got bigger issues on his plate like the state of his party and why are the Tories picking up votes from them.

STEED

05-29-17, 12:25 PM

The traditional third party, the Lib Dems, are not cutting through with their promise of a second referendum; having achieved Brexit, UKIP have all but collapsed; and even the SNP are under pressure.

And it's not so much a fight between Labour and the Conservatives, but one defined in a battle between Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn.http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-tide-turns-against-smaller-parties-10896947

:hmmm: May have a point.

Jimbuna

05-29-17, 02:07 PM

Jim, he just gave you a reason to stick his his rent up. :haha:

Fat chance, he bought his own property three or four years ago.

I could charge him for the beer though :hmmm:

Less than half an hour to go before the entertainment begins :)

STEED

05-29-17, 03:13 PM

I could charge him for the beer though :hmmm:

And electricity too keep the beer cold. :03:

When he moans you can say that's the Tory way doing things. :03:

STEED

05-29-17, 03:15 PM

IT''S HALF TIME....

Well the first part was dull not enough hard hitting questions and Paxman has lost the plot.

I will pass judgement on JC and May later.

Second half just the same.

STEED

05-29-17, 04:02 PM

Well TM and JC no real difference's on the grounds the whole show came across as damage limitation. No doubt lots of do's and do-not's set down by both party's resulting in a typical pile of guff and tripe.

Jimbuna

05-30-17, 04:46 AM

Nothing much to really get excited about other than the real star of the show, Jeremy Paxman.

I thought Corbyn got the most out of it by a whisker (no pun intended) not that either were brilliant outstanding performances but I doubt May will be bothered because the eventual election outcome will not be changed.

STEED

05-30-17, 05:25 AM

The audience Q&A was far too short and not enough hard hitting questions and both TM and JC should have been forced to answer the questions and not side step them.

Paxman was a wast of time and space listening to this fart trying too recapture Paxman's golden age that has long pasted into TV history film cans gathering dust on a shelf in a forgotten store room.

What came out of this if TV and radio want this sort of thing they have to agree to the rules laid down by the politician's which results in this boring load of guff and rubbish.

STEED

05-30-17, 05:46 AM

SNP manifesto launch..

Nicola Sturgeon is painting a rosy picture of the land of oil and technology and all is nice in this land bar one thing. The dark Tory cloud of doom and gloom that threatens Scotland.

STEED

05-30-17, 06:08 AM

Boris Johnson and Labour election chief Andrew Gwynne in fiery spat

The political opponents lock horns in a heated exchange on Sky News before Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn's TV interviews.
http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-and-labour-election-chief-andrew-gwynne-in-fiery-spat-10897829

Far more entertaining than what followed. :)

MGR1

05-30-17, 08:29 AM

SNP Manifesto at-a-glance: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40091999).

Since much of this is reserved to Westminster, the only way the SNP policies can have any real affect is if they either go into coalition (very unlikely) or agree to a confidence and supply arrangement (more likely) with a Labour or Labour/Lib Dem government, which isn't very likely at the moment - even Sturgeon thinks the Tories are going to win. So this is all about making sure that Scotland has a loud and strident voice to stand up to the nasty Tories and hang the rest of the UK.....

The SNP are a difficult problem to tackle - regardless of how many seats they might loose, they'll still have the most MP's from the Scottish contingent and the largest vote share to go with it. As far as they're concerned, that would be enough of a mandate (as far as they're concerned) for what they wish to do - which is Indyref2.:hmmm:

Mike.

Jimbuna

05-30-17, 03:26 PM

I notice independence ranked only 11th out of thirteen on the manifesto list.

What I'm unsure about is if the list was compiled in order of importance.

STEED

05-30-17, 04:47 PM

One for BossMark..

Theresa May protest song 'liar liar' hits No 1 on iTuneshttp://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-protest-song-liar-liar-hits-no-1-on-itunes-10898670

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxN1STgQXW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpSIzx0Ta0Y

STEED

05-30-17, 05:06 PM

YouGov poll nine days before election predicts hung parliamenthttp://metro.co.uk/2017/05/30/yougov-poll-one-week-before-election-predicts-hung-parliament-6673577/

Theresa May could lose her overall majority in the general election, a shock YouGov poll has predicted.
The survey of voters, commissioned by the Times, predicts that the Conservatives could fall short of winning an overall majority of seats on June 8.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/latest-general-election-poll-predicts-conservatives-will-lose-seats-02zfwl8lc

That would be a result, the Tories would rip themselves apart.

Moonlight

05-30-17, 07:07 PM

Will Theresa May be the next prime minister, highly probable, but how long will her cronies put up with her media car crash moments, that is the question.
I can see her in less than a year as being just another victim of her own backbenchers, no one from the opposition has to do anything, all they have to do is sit back and watch the show, another Maggie Thatcher exit is on the way, and that's a near as dammit certainty.

Catfish

05-31-17, 03:54 AM

Is there any possibility Northern Ireland and Scotland can remain in, or at least keep ties with, the EU, or will England's and Wales' majority rule this out? If i understand May right she will leave not much room for alternatives :hmmm:

A "strong hand during Brexit negotiations" seems to be her answer to everything, even regarding the NHS. From here it looks likes he is doing her best to lose an unlosable election :doh:

Jimbuna

05-31-17, 09:05 AM

As far as I'm aware, BREXIT appertains to the whole of the UK and all its constituent parts.

MGR1

05-31-17, 09:55 AM

Very true, though (for Catfish's benefit) the SNP and Scottish Greens in Scotland, the SDLP and Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland and Plaid Cymru in Wales have a different opinion, albeit for different reasons. Since these parties have very different views on what the UK is in comparison with the Conservative and Unionist Party it's not altogether surprising that there's disagreement.

Mike.

bertieck476

05-31-17, 10:15 AM

An independent Scotland would be a net receiver from the EU, so the only attraction for them to be allowed to rejoin would be so that the EU countries can continue to rape their seas of fish.

Aktungbby

05-31-17, 10:46 AM

MGR1

05-31-17, 10:47 AM

An independent Scotland would be a net receiver from the EU, so the only attraction for them to be allowed to rejoin would be so that the EU countries can continue to rape their seas of fish.

Many SNP supporters are anti-EU - the independence means independence crowd. As they comprise something like 40% of the SNP support they're a bit of a knotty problem for La Sturgeon's pro-EU line.

For my part I'll probably be voting for the Tories - I won't touch SLab with a bargepole. I'll be wasting my vote, but I may as well waste it with style!:D

As for the Scottish fishing industry, TBH I'd say it's very slowly dying. Too many of the youngsters in the area aren't going into fishing - they're either high on drugs or they have other ambitions. Most of the crews are Poles or Filipinos with Scottish senior hands and skippers.

Anyway back to the election, here's an article from the New Statesman giving at least one perspective from Northern Ireland:

Forget Jeremy Corbyn - English politicians are strangely silent on Northern Ireland's real problems (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/northern-ireland/2017/05/forget-jeremy-corbyn-english-politicians-are-strangely-silent)

An article on Northern Ireland from Conservative Home:

Henry Hill: The dividends of May’s tough new Northern Irish position (http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2017/05/henry-hill-the-dividends-of-mays-tough-new-northern-irish-position.html)

and their latest Scotland article:

Political gravity looks to be catching up with the SNP (http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/05/political-gravity-looks-to-be-catching-up-with-the-snp.html)

Mike.

Jimbuna

06-01-17, 05:32 AM

Looks like May actually won the debate even though she didn't appear and once more the 'loony left' those who helped force my hand in my decision to leave the party, once again shot themselves in the foot.

The polling company chosen to select the audience for the BBC's election debate has defended its political make-up amid claims of "left-wing bias".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40118629

Moonlight

06-01-17, 06:45 AM

^Theresa May did more damage to the Tory election campaign by not turning up than if she'd attended and had defended her own manifesto.
The reason why she didn't turn up is pretty clear, if the questions aren't scripted she can't think straight on her feet and the Tory media gurus didn't want another car crash moment happening.....again.
The wheels have been loose since her manifesto was revealed and now they're starting to come off, Tory candidates are getting naffed off with Theresa for ruining a campaign that was there to be won easily.
Confidence in her ability to be Prime Minister is starting to take shape and this is just the start of her impending demise, I hope its going to be a long and painful one as she deserves it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-election-error-polls_uk_592ecc58e4b0540ffc834f06?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

STEED

06-01-17, 07:10 AM

Looks like May actually won the debate even though she didn't appear and once more the 'loony left' those who helped force my hand in my decision to leave the party, once again shot themselves in the foot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40118629

The BBC is left wing and love putting the boot in, a good example would be Nigel Farage on question time but the BBC is also dim witted not to see Nigel is so thick skinned it's water off a ducks back too him. As for the debate which i did not see yet another pointless debate.

STEED

06-01-17, 07:20 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-election-error-polls_uk_592ecc58e4b0540ffc834f06?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

Tory candidates are “CESORED off” with Theresa May for running a campaign that has “shattered” confidence in her ability to be Prime Minister.

The stark warning comes from a Conservative candidate seeking re-election in a marginal seat, and they told HuffPost UK that other colleagues across the UK share their frustration.

Another way looking at it at the start of the campaign the polls were suggesting the Tories would win 150 seats and allow them to do what they heck wanted. I think its more down to the voter who thinks no thanks to that and as we now see in the polls the Tories will win 20 seats or a Hung Parliament.

I don't give a stuff about stuffed pigs moaning and groaning they could loose their seats. I hear that rubbish from all the party's, they know they are on to a good number and rather keeps their seats.

Moonlight

06-01-17, 08:27 AM

Theresa May is like a bloody parrot, she can't answer questions that she hasn't been taught, she didn't give an answer to 1 question from a recent reporters interview. :haha:
Gordon bloody Bennett we're going to have 5 more years of this bleeding strong and stable rubbish, :doh: OI Theresa, your horse has bolted off down the road you stupid mare. :D

Theresa May Didn’t Answer A Single One Of This Reporter’s Questions
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-local-newspapers_uk_592fd315e4b09ec37c31cd63?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D155475239 2_uk

Jimbuna

06-01-17, 09:13 AM

For me the fundamental question is who is trusted the most and atm I honestly believe May is still streets ahead of Corbyn.

MGR1

06-01-17, 10:16 AM

Conversely, despite Ruth Davidson's best efforts, May is distrusted in Scotland whilst Sturgeon isn't. May fits in with the stereotype of the English Tory that the Nats (and before them Scottish Labour) love to demonise.

Mike.

Moonlight

06-01-17, 12:03 PM

For me the fundamental question is who is trusted the most and atm I honestly believe May is still streets ahead of Corbyn.

^:haha: Trusted on what! soundbites, I'm more interested in what she can't be trusted on and so are a lot more people. What she can't be trusted on is the NHS, the Police, the Armed Forces, the Fire Service, Social Care and Immigration to name just a few, it was that silly mare who as Home Secretary lost the whereabouts of over a 100,000 immigrants wasn't it. :har:

Trust has to be earned and so far the Tories record on it is bloody abysmal, there'll soon be more Foodbanks and more Zero Hours employment for the less well off while her large corporation donors and the better off get even more tax cuts.... trust her you say, I say that's bollocks.

Your judgement has been clouded for a long time old boy, if I were you I'd go and get yourself tested for mad cow disease because I think you've caught it off of Theresa May and her cronies. :yep:

Moonlight

06-01-17, 02:16 PM

It's alright Jimbuna I'm not a cow I'm a horse.

http://i65.tinypic.com/wjxtuo.jpg

STEED

06-01-17, 03:50 PM

Eichhörnchen

06-01-17, 04:44 PM

I'd rather be cashing Corbyn's cheques than paying May's :yep:

Moonlight

06-01-17, 04:58 PM

Corbyn comes across like a mad man handing out cheques here there and every where without a care in the world. Sounds like the last Labour government that got us in the mess we are in now. This gave the coalition Con/Lib government to cut hard and even more harder when the Tories won the last election.

I see that you were taken in by the Tory spin machine as well, before you go spouting off on things that you know nothing about I suggest you read this first and bloody learn something for once instead of listening to all that Tory drivel you're all so bloody fond of.
http://www.economist.com/news/schoolsbrief/21584534-effects-financial-crisis-are-still-being-felt-five-years-article

Theresa May keeps harping on about being Strong and Stable, every time she's come under the spotlight she's screwed up big time and U-Turned, and now her manifesto is starting to get a going over as well, she's the weakest of the lot of them.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/28/far-from-strong-and-stable-mays-economic-plan-is-weak-and-unstable

At the end of the day those Tory parasites won't slap you around old boy, no, they'll punch you in the kisser so that you'll remember your place is in the gutter along side the rest of the peasants. :haha:

MGR1

06-01-17, 05:24 PM

I'm voting Tory because it sends a more effective message to the SNP than voting for useless old SLab will.

I disagree with many of the policies in the main Tory manifesto, but the ones in the Scottish Branch Office one are a bit more reasonable. One of the consequences of devolution, I guess. Things are a bit different up here now in comparison with England.

Mike.:hmmm:

STEED

06-01-17, 05:47 PM

Moonlight let me make it clear to you I don't vote Tory.

And where I am sitting judging all my local candidates not one of them is fit to vote for.

Jimbuna

06-02-17, 07:48 AM

^:haha: Trusted on what! soundbites, I'm more interested in what she can't be trusted on and so are a lot more people. What she can't be trusted on is the NHS, the Police, the Armed Forces, the Fire Service, Social Care and Immigration to name just a few, it was that silly mare who as Home Secretary lost the whereabouts of over a 100,000 immigrants wasn't it. :har:

Trust has to be earned and so far the Tories record on it is bloody abysmal, there'll soon be more Foodbanks and more Zero Hours employment for the less well off while her large corporation donors and the better off get even more tax cuts.... trust her you say, I say that's bollocks.

Your judgement has been clouded for a long time old boy, if I were you I'd go and get yourself tested for mad cow disease because I think you've caught it off of Theresa May and her cronies. :yep:

I will simply respond by pointing out a couple of my previous psst comments...

#6460 it hurts me to think that the party I was a former member of for over 25 years has been taken over by this individual and his supporters

#6521 I gave up trying to understand what Corbyn was about the day after he became the leader of my party

What annoys me more than anything else is the fact that Labour are no longer viewed as being a serious opposition and that is predominantly down to one man and his band of left wing sycophants. So every time the Tories decide to stick the boot into the working class perhaps he, Corbyn would like to explain why he can't even muster the support of those Labour MP's who were elected to represent the millions who voted for them in the now vain hope their hopes and aspirations will be fulfilled even if only partly.

The bottom line being....the electorate will most probably return the Tories back into power with a greater majority and therefore embolden them to do as they please.

'Mad cow disease' indeed....their is a greater madness spreading amongst a small clique in Westminster and that madness is impacting on many less fortunate people across the UK because said clique have now achieved what they have wanted for many a year now, control of a national political party from which to spout their left wing socialist propaganda. They know full well the British electorate will never elect a government so ultra left but they care not one jot, the platform and the news coverage is enough for them.

In the meantime, the masses are promised the earth and the end to all their woes but no explanation of where all the money (the true cost) needed will come from and the effects on the British economy.

It is really quite easy for any politician to write cheques they will never be called on to cash.

One day, the cancer at the top of the Labour movement will eventually be eradicated and I'll most likely rejoin, but right now I doubt I'll be able to vote.

My MP who I know personally was recently quoted in the national press as stating the constituents in my town were so poor they were reduced to burying their deceased loved ones in their back gardens because they didn't have the financial means to pay funeral costs.

Go figure that one out!!

Moonlight

06-02-17, 07:55 AM

^Same here old boy, :up: my local candidates are a bunch of bleeding nobodies and that's what's making me so bloody angry about the poor fare these politicians are dishing up.

I'm going to be voting for the last time this time as I'm done with the bloody lot of them. :doh:

MGR1

06-02-17, 10:32 AM

What annoys me more than anything else is the fact that Labour are no longer viewed as being a serious opposition and that is predominantly down to one man and his band of left wing sycophants.

Corbyn isn't responsible for the mess Labour's Scottish Branch Office is in. The rot there started much, much earlier.

He isn't helping SLab, but they're not exactly helping themselves either.

Mike.

Eichhörnchen

06-02-17, 12:42 PM

MGR1

06-02-17, 01:02 PM

That's the problem and always has been.

Now, if anyone is curious as to what powers are held by Holyrood and what are still held be Westminster, BBC Scotland put this handy guide up:

Election 2017: Who has power over what in Scotland? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40015816)

The catch is with the current hybrid arrangement is that funding in Scotland isn't fully devolved. It's still linked to what's spent in England via the Barnett Formula. Until that link is severed it's still possible for a Scottish MP to vote on funding arrangements in England. However, the risk is that full fiscal control would then effectively make Scottish Independence cost neutral and it also has the potential to create an economic threat to England.:hmmm:

Mike.

STEED

06-02-17, 04:38 PM

Good evening everyone as you all know I gave my reasons why I am not voting and after tonight I can say 100% I will not be voting.

I had to listen to the biggest load of BS from the Con/Lab/Lib and Green candidates yes I was on duty and the Hustings was on my watch, I was turned off by their bile and BS which really got on my man boobs so to speak.

I am going to say it again Westminster needs a bloody massive tidal wave of a shake up.

STEED

06-02-17, 04:41 PM

I am trying hard to think "Vote Labour" instead of "Vote Corbyn". That's how we should think at election time, but it's always portrayed as being a vote for a personality by both sides... they all play this same cheap game.

VOTE FOR THE STEED PARTY IN 2022 THE NO BS TELL IT STRAIGHT PARTY :DL

Have a jam doughnut and smile. :)

Eichhörnchen

06-03-17, 05:15 AM

I grew up in a working-class Tory voting household; my parents read the Daily Sketch and then the Daily Mail and always voted Conservative. So did I until the treachery of the Poll Tax. I swore then never to vote Tory again... I remember.

Whatever Jeremy Corbyn is, I'll be voting Labour because I see the Tories as the enemies of the self-employed and small business. Plus we have disability concerns in our family. Measures introduced to give everyone a minimum wage will force many small businesses out of business (the Tories know this) and incidentally, NONE of this benefits the self-employed and is never balanced by any kind of relief for the self-employed. And now they've learned that these self-employed are rocketing in numbers, what do they do? Start dreaming up more ways of squeezing them, i.e. the N.I.measures. They've made it virtually IMPOSSIBLE for the self-employed to get Universal Credit, and now they are planning to force us to submit accounts quarterly... online... knowing full well that this will be an almost impossible burden for many. But it will save the Civil Service (the IR) a packet. They don't want the self-employed... we are too expensive and independent.

As for the disabled, news stories of them having their benefits curtailed are legion, and if they get a mandate to do what they want then these are only likely to increase.

This is why I will be voting for Labour.

STEED

06-03-17, 05:27 AM

As said I just can not bring myself to vote for my candidates as all of them were dreadful. As for the audience that was there the Libs got the biggest thumbs up followed by Lab and a mix thumbs up and down for the Cons. Greens don't count they get no where, any way moving on to the latest polls seem to be pointing at a Tory victory but less seats down to four or five and if this is the case the Tory Wolfs will be after Mrs May for sure.

MGR1

06-03-17, 05:38 AM

Frankie Boyle on May v Corbyn:

All the average British punter wants is to be paid less than £10 an hour and be incinerated in a nuclear holocaust, and good luck to em (https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/870744050676236288)

Mike.

MGR1

06-03-17, 07:01 AM

Election 2017: Nicola Sturgeon says independence 'no magic solution' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40134386)

Nicola Sturgeon said independence is not a "magic solution" to Scotland's problems as she was questioned over her government's record.
Appearing on BBC Scotland's Ask the Leader, she defended her mandate for a second independence referendum.
But the first minister said it would happen only after the outcome of the Brexit negotiations became clear.

Taken her long enough to come out with that.

IndyRef2, if/when it happens, will be very interesting.

Mike.:hmmm:

Jimbuna

06-03-17, 07:26 AM

You just couldn't make this up :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2017-40140992/boris-johnson-and-labour-s-ian-lavery-have-heated-debate

Moonlight

06-03-17, 12:45 PM

While the mainstream media focuses on Jeremy Corbyn’s alleged “support” for the IRA, it is conveniently ignoring a Conservative politician who actually used to be a member. Maria Gatland is a Tory councillor in Croydon South London but her past life was not so squeaky clean, just more Tory hypocrisy at work and there's another 5 years of this to come.
http://evolvepolitics.com/realise-current-conservative-politician-literally-member-ira-right/

STEED

06-03-17, 04:29 PM

Nigel Farage could return as UKIP leader if Brexit 'unfinished'

The former party leader tells Sky News his political future will depend on whether Theresa May "delivers" on leaving the EU.
http://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-could-return-as-ukip-leader-if-brexit-unfinished-10903428

Nigel old bean you were the party and without you the party is nothing. Just look at UKIP more in fighting, your only MP resigns you lost all your council seats granted you did win one new one. UKIP's vote has collapsed because you achieved what you set out to do.

STEED

06-03-17, 04:34 PM

May refuses to rule out income tax rise, despite ministers' pledge

Theresa May's refusal to be drawn on income tax rises puts her at odds with her ministers Boris Johnson and Sir Michael Fallon.
http://news.sky.com/story/absolutely-no-income-tax-rise-for-high-earners-say-tories-10902919

Another bog up taking lessons from Labour. :03:

The last two elections were awful but this one has been a bloody joke.

Moonlight

06-03-17, 04:56 PM

Salman Abedi was condemned last month for killing 22 ppl with a bomb, Jeremy Corbyn was also condemned for not wanting to kill millions with a bomb, yet a woman, Theresa May, was applauded enthusiastically for threatening to use nuclear bombs. :doh:
You couldn't bloody make this up.

STEED

06-04-17, 04:20 AM

National campaigning by the Cons/Lab has been suspended due to the London terror attack, no word from the LibDems yet but they will probably do the same only UKIP will continual as usual.

Jimbuna

06-04-17, 07:41 AM

Shouldn't be long now before Jeremy backtracks on these statements made in November 1915.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xHz7qPr0ss

MGR1

06-04-17, 08:51 AM

UKIP's Scottish face, David Cockburn, on his party's decision to keep campaigning: Twitter (https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/871325662400966656).

I'm not sure if the second part was really needed....

There was also a large pro Scottish Independence march in Glasgow yesterday:

Thousands march in Glasgow in support of independence (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40143671)

As it's that part of Scotland I can't say I'm surprised - I'm not seeing anything from the big two on how to tackle the "Glasgow Problem". Why they aren't trying to figure out why Scotland's largest population center is effectively in revolt against the UK government I have no idea....

Graphic of the latest predictions on the GE result for Scotland:

https://i.gyazo.com/02ae783598c4816fa57d4f37f23ad018.png

All based on uniform swing, so arguably to be taken with a pinch of salt. Regardless of what happens on the day, the SNP will still provide the majority of Scottish MP's.

Mike.

STEED

06-04-17, 01:45 PM

I hate to say this but these terrorists have most likely given the Tories a boost and Mrs May we must get robust over JC's lets have a chat.

Catfish

06-04-17, 03:44 PM

This 'interview' was rubbish,
He was asked whether he would order the police too protect citizens, what kind of question is this? Of course he said "yes".

And the next question is "if he would be happy to shoot to kill". WTH ?!
Should he have said "Yes i am happy to shoot to kill"? :doh: Appropriate would have been a question like if he sees the necessity to do that, and she would have received a firm "yes". :roll:

STEED

06-04-17, 04:08 PM

STEED

06-05-17, 05:57 AM

OK chaps as you all know I said I'm not voting so give me a good reason(s) to vote and I may change my mind. It's down too you can you change my mind. :) :03:

STEED

06-05-17, 11:31 AM

Jeremy Corbyn has said he does not think Theresa May should quit over police cuts just hours after suggesting she should resign.http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-under-pressure-over-police-cuts-in-wake-of-london-terror-attack-10905008

Did he? :hmmm:

avers

06-05-17, 02:05 PM

Are you guys looking fwd to the election thursday? Who do you guys think will win?

Jimbuna

06-05-17, 03:14 PM

Are you guys looking fwd to the election thursday? Who do you guys think will win?

Perhaps more appropriate would have been the question "Do any of you guys reckon Theresa May will lose?" :03:

STEED

06-05-17, 04:11 PM

OK chaps as you all know I said I'm not voting so give me a good reason(s) to vote and I may change my mind. It's down too you can you change my mind. :) :03:

Come chaps, Thursday draws nearer..

Are you guys looking fwd to the election thursday? Who do you guys think will win?

No...no wait yes I'm working double money so yes. Who will win me of course double money. :DL

Moonlight

06-05-17, 05:38 PM

If you can't make your mind up Steed I'm not going to try and make it up for you. :o

The race for the biggest prize in politics is entering the final stages and here is how I see it. :D

Its a bloody fascinating election campaign with all 4 of the main contenders doing their best not to win this two bit handicap known as the Political Grand National, I wish it could go on for another month but....alright David I'll shut up, its back to the commentator, David Dimbleby.

The 4 main Runners and Riders are.

Knickers Down ridden by Theresa May (Conservative) starters odds 1-7.
Lollipop ridden by Jeremy Corbyn (Labour) starters odds 100-30.
Another Referendum ridden by Tim Farron (LibDems) starters odds 16-1.
Big Dick ridden by Paul Nuttall (Ukip) starters odds 25-1

And its right back to the commentary with Knickers Down just entering the final furlong, Theresa has almost come a cropper at a couple of previous fences but the Canal Turn with Knickers Down doing a complete U-Turn was almost her nemesis fence. Theresa has now got her whip out and is caressing it lovingly ready to flog Knickers Down as though it was a nurse asking for a pay rise, it looks as though she's going to win but that victory celebration is not a certainty yet.

Coming up in second and closing in is Lollipop, it wasn't a great start from Lollipop when stable girl Diane Abbott got her numbers wrong and Lollipop started the race a furlong behind but Jeremy has pulled it around and is now making some serious headway. I heard Jeremy shout to Diane on the 2nd circuit that the prize money won't cover his running costs and that was causing Lollipop to jump to the left a lot.

In third place is Another Referendum who is 16 length off the pace, It all went south for Tim on the 2nd circuit at Becher's Brook when he shouted in the horses ear that fateful word "Brexit". Some jockeys never learn and Tim was unseated with no chance now of catching the two front runners, you can teach an horse to jump you idiot but you can't make it jump if it doesn't want to.

Well what can I say about this horse Big Dick and its jockey Paul Nuttall, its had its ups and downs in the past but this race has proven that its finally a spent force and a date with the knackers yard is on the cards for Big Dick.
It was up with the leaders for the first circuit but lacking in stamina it couldn't stay the distance, if you can't satisfy your bride Paul old bean she'll be off looking for some one else.
Oh dear its tailed off in the distance and it looks as if it will never be seen again. :D

MGR1

06-05-17, 06:28 PM

England - Tories most seats.
Wales - not sure: 50/50 Lab or Con most seats.
Northern Ireland - DUP most seats.
Scotland - SNP most seats.

Total UK result - Tory majority. By how much is open to debate.

Mike.:hmmm:

STEED

06-05-17, 06:38 PM

Oh dear me it must be bad no one can change my mind but may be jim could when he gets back from the pub. :03:

Catfish

06-06-17, 02:26 AM

@Moonlight: ^^ Post of the month, if not of the year! :rotfl2:

@Steed: You know i have no stake and say in this matter, cannot tell you as a bloody foreigner.

Some observations without claiming this to be of any value, or sense :03:

May is somehow the status quo, and often enough those are elected, just because they are already there. Does not need any more. What germans call the "normative Kraft des Faktischen" (~normative power of the existing). But should one vote for her just because of that? Lots of rhetorics, but does she really have a plan? Then, tax rises. Maybe they are needed though, to finance the transition zone of wrexxit. Weapon deal just of all with Turkey, setting a sign to accept the new dictator. hmm. And Boris Johnson .. omfg.

Corbyn, no idea. More sympathetic but with a past that surely is not seen as loyal or pro-english, by the english. But maybe this is a good thing in dealing with or better against terrorism? He had at least his numbers right or so it seemed from here, advocating for the common man (clear as mud with Labour), rhethorically not as sophisticated as May, but seems to speak from the heart. Seems to have a plan at least. Does he have the support of his own party? All very subjective.

Ukip? Your choice. I would not and if hell froze over. What do they even stand for, with this retreat after just of all they succeeded.

Please bear with me, can only say how it looks from here, and from my p.o.v.

Jimbuna

06-06-17, 05:42 AM

I'm expecting a Tory victory with a majority of between 20 to 30 seats and one hell of an argument after the event at Labour HQ over the fact they will realise they might have been in with a chance if Corbyn had of stood down when first losing the support of his MP's.

Sadly, a consequence of the above will be that Corbyn once again cites the majority he holds amongst the party membership (loony left) and there will be no visible change hence Labour will sail on throegh the fog banks with no end to their journey in sight.

On a personal basis, I'm not sure if I'll bother voting at all but I will admit to having a small desire to vote Tory as some form of protest vote which at the end of the day would mean absolutely nothing at my local Labour stronghold level so the chances are I won't bother at all.

On the other hand, I have my sons proxy voting paper and his clear instruction to vote Tory and I will respect and carry out his instruction.

STEED

06-06-17, 09:17 AM

I tell you what folks I shall flip a coin and let fate take the strain. :03:

STEED

06-06-17, 10:57 AM

Diane Abbott cancels radio appearance after embarrassing Sky News interviewhttp://news.sky.com/story/diane-abbott-bins-appearance-after-embarrassing-interview-on-sky-news-10905847

Oh heck not again!

Catfish

06-06-17, 12:07 PM

Well what do you expect when the people wo really know, do not inform the politicians about what really happens and what to do.
But those interviews and especially the recent attacks of course give the Tories a boost. Because... why? "We need a stronkk leader!" ? Or wouldn't it be better to understand how and why this happens, instead of bigmouthing.

Sorry, just saw the news :doh:

Jimbuna

06-06-17, 12:09 PM

^ :har:

Never fear, Diane is here :o:oops:

Jimbuna

06-06-17, 12:13 PM

In light of recent events I'm not sure this is the right time for a state visit :hmmm:

Boris Johnson rejects calls to axe President Trump's state visit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40172537

Fubar2Niner

06-06-17, 12:19 PM

http://news.sky.com/story/diane-abbott-bins-appearance-after-embarrassing-interview-on-sky-news-10905847

Oh heck not again!

Yep again, and we are worried about JC ??..!!! God help us all if Labour do get in, imagine the total meltdown with Diane as home sec :har::har::har:

Jimbuna

06-06-17, 12:35 PM

Yep again, and we are worried about JC ??..!!! God help us all if Labour do get in, imagine the total meltdown with Diane as home sec :har::har::har:

http://i.imgur.com/AnFAEOK.jpg

STEED

06-06-17, 01:21 PM

Is she and old JC still rolling around the sheets? :03:

Jimbuna

06-06-17, 01:37 PM

I doubt it, that was supposedly way back in the seventies.

http://i.imgur.com/p0TuHlb.jpg

STEED

06-06-17, 01:57 PM

:haha:

Jimbuna

06-06-17, 03:31 PM

I'm all for this :yep:

Theresa May has said she will change human rights laws if they "get in the way" of tackling suspected terrorists.
The PM said she would make it easier to deport foreign terror suspects and "restrict the freedom and movements" of those that present a threat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40181444

Don't worry Jeremy, you'll never be in a position to need to hide from making such important decisions.

Jimbuna

06-06-17, 04:27 PM

http://i.imgur.com/UPSxwb8.jpg

eddie

06-06-17, 04:52 PM

I read what May wants to do about terrorism Jim, and agree with her on that , but would it stand up to a legal challenge?

Jimbuna

06-07-17, 09:14 AM

I would hope she is taking sound and strong legal advice before implementing any changes to current legislation Eddie but my understanding is that the government would have a stronger hand in many respects once it unshackles itself from Brussels.

Skybird

06-07-17, 10:36 AM

If she "plans" to manage the brexit negotiations as chaotic and improvised as she has run the election campaign, then I must withdraw my support for the idea of Brexit and must fear the worst for poor lil' Britain.

Where do you Brits find such weired creatures? Mays, Corbyns, do you import these strange animals from some undiscovered dark hole on Galapagos islands, or did the English zoos just refused to host them?

:O:

MGR1

06-07-17, 01:13 PM

Looks like Sturgeon's what we call a "clype/clipe" (http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/people-places/scottish-word-of-the-day-clipe-1-2440624):

General election 2017: Sturgeon stands by Dugdale indyref claim (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40186357)

Nicola Sturgeon has said she stands "100%" behind her claim that the Scottish Labour leader offered to drop opposition to an independence referendum.
Ms Sturgeon told a leaders' debate on Tuesday that Kezia Dugdale made the remark to her after the Brexit vote.
Ms Dugdale insists the allegation is a "categoric lie" and "gutter politics".
And she said it showed the first minister would "say anything to deflect from the SNP's appalling record".
The exchanges came on the final day of campaigning ahead of Thursday's general election.
The row was raised by Conservative leader Ruth Davidson at first minister's questions at Holyrood, when she asked Ms Sturgeon "why she believes that private conversations shouldn't stay private".
Brian Taylor's review of this rather unedifying spectacle (plus todays events at Holyrood): LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40187219).

TBH, I think this'll do more harm to SLab than it will the Nats. It might lead them to try and get rid of Dugdale but since SLab's talent pool is so shallow I have no idea who'd make a suitable replacement.

Mike.

STEED

06-07-17, 02:23 PM

I tossed the coin and the coin said vote, sod it now I have to pick some useless candidate.

Von Due

06-07-17, 04:19 PM

I tossed the coin and the coin said vote, sod it now I have to pick some useless candidate.

Any of these?
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39926534

STEED

06-07-17, 04:21 PM

Any of these?
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39926534

Nah..stuck with the big three and the hippy Greens.

Von Due

06-07-17, 04:24 PM

Nah..stuck with the big three and the hippy Greens.

Sounds like any election here in Norway. Sure you're UK based?

STEED

06-07-17, 04:39 PM

Sounds like any election here in Norway. Sure you're UK based?

Fish and chip shops check
Chips not French fries check
Pint of beer £5 check
Useless bus service check
Town full of coffee shops check

Sounds like England to me. :)

Well here's my forecast..

Conservative victory 5-30 seats.

Labour mixed night and may just hang in there depending how well they do.

LibDems will be lucky to keep their seats as for Tim saying 18 seats dream on.

UKIP will suffer the most no seats and a voter collapse.

Greens will probably keep their one seat due to back room deals and they too will loose votes.

SNP will remain the biggest winners in Scotland but will loose 10-20 seats.

Plaid Cymru mixed night for them.

Outside chance of a Hung Parliament with the Tories being the biggest.

More chance of a alien invasion than a Hung Parliament with Labour being the biggest.

More chance of the end of the world than a Labour victory.

Dowly

06-08-17, 06:17 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-39973936If you could have anyone in the world as PM (alive, dead or fictional), who would it be?

Clive Lewis: Captain John Sheridan of Babylon 5. He was smart, principled, a diplomat, a soldier and a fighter for justice. A fallible human being that tried to do what was right. He'd have made a great prime minister.:haha:

Jimbuna

06-08-17, 07:05 AM

MGR1

06-08-17, 09:09 AM

Well, that's my vote in. I doubt it'll have much affect as Aberdeen North will probably stay SNP. A chance Labour might get it back but I'll believe that if it happens!

Two interesting articles from the Scottish section of the BBC news site:

Election 2017: Five unanswered questions in the Sturgeon-Dugdale row (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40187213)

With one day to go, there has been a sudden flurry of excitement in the general election campaign in Scotland thanks to Nicola Sturgeon's claims about a private chat she had with Kezia Dugdale.
For six weeks, it felt like we hadn't really heard anything new from Scotland's political leaders. Seven elections in just over three years will do that - policy platforms and attack lines get very familiar.
It had been a fairly tepid election, in truth. But Nicola Sturgeon changed all that during the STV debate (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40182304).
Now maybe a she-said-she-said rammy isn't the most mature look for a nation's political discourse, but at least it was something new.
Election 2017: Scottish voters targeted by 'dark ads' on Facebook (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40170166)

Political adverts are being targeted at specific Facebook users in Scotland, data seen by BBC Scotland has shown.
All the main parties appear to have been influencing voters with so-called "dark ads" - tailored messages visible to certain audiences.
The SNP and Lib Dems used ads focusing on pensions while the Conservatives and Labour targeted users in key seats.
As one of the little revelations from the 2014 IndyRef was the SNP's use of social media to get it's message across to a wider audience it doesn't surprise me that the other parties have followed suit.

One way to appeal to a younger audience, but we'll see what percentage of those eligble to vote actually do so.

Mike.

Jimbuna

06-08-17, 10:19 AM

Call me sad but I'm quite looking forward to seeing the early results on tv when I get home at 11 pmish tonight.

Moonlight

06-08-17, 02:34 PM

I'm waiting for the EXIT POLL tonight on BBC1's Election Results 2017, that one will say for definite whether all these other polls were right or wrong, it could all be over between 1.00 and 2.00am and Theresa May will have that large majority in her hands, on the other hand it could be a 5.00 or 6.00 am time before she is crowned the winner.
If its taking any longer than that the voting could be closer than we all expected but she could still end up with slightly more seats than she has now, probably not enough to go for a Fox Hunting vote but enough to push through her other manifesto policies, time will tell.....

Catfish

06-08-17, 03:57 PM

May has won. Good luck.

MGR1

06-08-17, 05:58 PM

Exit Poll: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40208731).

The Tories will be the largest party but may not have a majority, according to the general election exit poll.
The survey taken at polling stations across the UK suggests the Tories could get 314 MPs when all the results have been counted in Thursday's election.
Labour would get 266, the Lib Dems 14, UKIP none and the SNP 34, the NOP/Ipsos MORI poll for BBC/ITV/Sky suggests.

If the poll is accurate, then that's egg on May's face and she's finished as Tory leader.:hmmm:

See what tomorrow brings.

Mike.

MGR1

06-08-17, 10:29 PM

Bad night for the Tories in England and Wales but a pretty good one in Scotland for them with two major scalps:

Angus Robertson, SNP Deputy Leader and Commons Leader.:yeah:

Alex Salmond..... the now former MP for Gordon.:D

Some reflection will be needed on the SNP's part - I'd say that Stewart Hosie (Dundee East) will be filling Robertson's shoes in the near future.

A surprising bounce for Labour - looks like Corbyn isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It appears old school Labour does still have an appeal - UK wide as well as Scotland (7 Scottish seats so far).:hmmm:

As for May, she has to step down before she's pushed. The knives will be out big time!

BoJo next?

Oh, and Cleggy-boys gone but Jo Swinson is back for the Lib Dems.

Mike.

Eichhörnchen

06-09-17, 12:30 AM

kraznyi_oktjabr

06-09-17, 02:38 AM

Moonlight

06-09-17, 02:53 AM

We're saved, saved I tell ya, well done Jeremy well done and you'll get your reward for failure very soon Theresa May and it won't be a pretty ending. :haha:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1a/48/f9/1a48f9d20f50e42de3123522f8c72dd3.jpg

Moonlight

06-09-17, 02:58 AM

The Conservatives have always been in bed with the Democratic Union Party so there's no change there, they will extract a high price from the Tories for their support and Theresa Failure knows it. :yep:

Skybird

06-09-17, 04:07 AM

Whoever will be PM in the next two years, we now will learn how serious Brits are with "hard Brexit", for the EU will take this result as an invitation and will negotiate even harder and will set up even more pressure.

When it works, it works. Did nobody ever tell you that one does not change a winning team? It may not have been a winners' dream team, but it was a team with a majority in parliament.

Eichhörnchen

06-09-17, 04:41 AM

There was far more to this than Brexit; there were many domestic issues upon which the tories would have used a strong mandate to impose their will. Reducing help for the disabled; placing the burden of old-age care on the individual instead of considering equitable funding solutions; bullying of the self-employed (NI contributions, quarterly tax assessments and exclusion from Universal Credits). The British people suddenly became aware of what might be done to them at home. I don't think Brexit was then such a big issue.

Catfish

06-09-17, 05:02 AM

Whoever will be PM in the next two years, we now will learn how serious Brits are with "hard Brexit" [...] ... one does not change a winning team? It may not have been a winners' dream team, but it was a team with a majority in parliament.

A "winning team" with Theresa May and Boris Johnson? well :)
And she won, didn't she. Just with some less support or so it seems. But she can still stay and push through with her agenda, Corbyn did not make it and i do not foresee any pact or government between the two.

May wanted a "hard" brexit, and this would have been even better, also for the EU. "No one likes a quitter" and the faster all this bovine scatology goes off without a hitch, the better.
"Imagine we built a better world for nothing", or for Skybird. Better not then.

But i agree this election was not about brexit, question of the latter was already finished months ago.

MGR1

06-09-17, 05:43 AM

There has been speculation in Finnish media that Conservatives may seek coalition with Democratic Union Party. At the moment (646 of 650 seats declared) that would provide 325 seats (315 Con. and 10 DUP). Is this realistic option and if so how stable such government would be?

That's the current rumour, with the Sinn Fein MP's not taking their seats as usual that would provide a small but workable majority.

After all the warnings from the Tory's about a coalition of chaos of Labour and the SNP they now have to get into bed with the DUP - Ulster nationalists in all but name!

The anti-celtic element of the Tory party are now hoisted by their own petard.... 10 DUP plus 13 Scottish Tories isn't a small amount!

There's a high probability of a soft Brexit now which translates into Farage making a comeback.

Mike.

Skybird

06-09-17, 05:52 AM

A "winning team" with Theresa May and Boris Johnson? well :).
As I said, maybe not a winner'S dream team - but one with an absolute majority in parliament. Her position against the EU now is weaker than before. And she must fear a home front in parliament, enforcing concessions that soften up "hard Brexit". And the EU takes note of this vulnerability, thats a safe bet.

Jason Brennan could not get any better advertising for his books. I just have finished reading my second book by him, this time even in English. Britian was made to illustrate Brennan's points. :LOL:

Until German elections. :har: Holy messy mass.

Eichhörnchen

06-09-17, 06:09 AM

Of course it's understandable that you guys on the continent will be focussed on Brexit, but Brexit only really preoccupies the finance and business communities over here now.

STEED

06-09-17, 06:26 AM

Well here's my forecast..

Update comments

Conservative victory 5-30 seats. Well that was wrong

Labour mixed night and may just hang in there depending how well they do. I think this one is about right

LibDems will be lucky to keep their seats as for Tim saying 18 seats dream on. Well they are now on 12 not a breakthrough

UKIP will suffer the most no seats and a voter collapse. Spot on

Greens will probably keep their one seat due to back room deals and they too will loose votes. Spot on

SNP will remain the biggest winners in Scotland but will loose 10-20 seats. Not that far out down 21 seats

Plaid Cymru mixed night for them. No comment

Outside chance of a Hung Parliament with the Tories being the biggest. Well my outside chance was spot on

More chance of a alien invasion than a Hung Parliament with Labour being the biggest.

More chance of the end of the world than a Labour victory.

:hmmm:

Catfish

06-09-17, 06:36 AM

@Eichkatz understood.. though the leaving will have some impact on everything, since a lot of laws and rules that are meanwhile self-evident all over Europe (also regarding inclusion), could all be changed now unless it violates other, international treaties. I heard that the UK will adopt all european laws after brexit (really?), and will then seek out and change certain ones as it sees fit. In the long run, of course.

I take it personal liberties and free travel will be the first casualties. We will see whether May or Farage rhetorics are more helpful than clear analysis and dedicated action of people knowing their stuff. A lot of Eu laws protected and helped also people in the UK, from tariffs, to workers rights, to infrastructure, archeological or science funding, just to name a few.
But since all seems to be expressed in war terms and hitlerisms over there, "London can take it". :03:

Jimbuna

06-09-17, 06:40 AM

Ding-dong, the witch is almost dead. So many voters have disability concerns; so many are homeowners moving rapidly towards old age; so many are now (of necessity) self-employed and faced with quarterly tax returns, National Insurance rises and effective expulsion from Universal Credit... wtf did she expect??

There was far more to this than Brexit; there were many domestic issues upon which the tories would have used a strong mandate to impose their will. Reducing help for the disabled; placing the burden of old-age care on the individual instead of considering equitable funding solutions; bullying of the self-employed (NI contributions, quarterly tax assessments and exclusion from Universal Credits). The British people suddenly became aware of what might be done to them at home. I don't think Brexit was then such a big issue.

Fully agree and whilst I admit hindsight is a wonderful thing I reckon she miscalculated on the response from the young and the older voters based much on what you've already posted.

I'll even go so far as to say....if it hadn't of been for Corbyn and his lack of appeal regarding defence, Labour might well have been in with a decent chance of snatching victory.

STEED

06-09-17, 06:49 AM

Well Mrs May rolled the dice and lost leaving her no option but to have this loose agreement with the DUP but there is another factor that seems to be over looked, SF has seven seats but as we all know they will not sit in HOC.

Well we have a weak government and the EU Wolfs and Tory Wolfs along with the opposition wolfs are going to make Mrs May's life a living hell. I would be surprised if she survived a year in office and could we be facing a another general election before 2022.

Has the tide turned against the SNP? Maybe. :hmmm:

So old JC hangs on in there but yet the result shows me the country wants Labour but not the current leadership or the loony wing within the party.

Nick Clegg...:haha:
Sarah Olney...:har:

STEED

06-09-17, 07:00 AM

Just to add the Greens hold there one seat but their vote was down, as for UKIP now in intensive care on a last support machine as another leader steps down. If the UKIP don't make massive changes then they have sealed their fate. Brexit will not save them from the brink.

Eichhörnchen

06-09-17, 08:09 AM

I'll even go so far as to say....if it hadn't of been for Corbyn and his lack of appeal regarding defence, Labour might well have been in with a decent chance of snatching victory.

That's got to be true. Plus, as you suggest, the young were galvanised this time as never before, with lots of them being turfed out to vote by their more active brethren over student loans.

@Catfish, Indeed Brexit will affect lots of things for us here in the long run, but at election time I think people are still more influenced by what they see immediately outside their own front door, i.e. will there be enough teachers at the kids' school today and are there some beds (not gurneys) to lay on at the local A&E.

Jimbuna

06-09-17, 08:25 AM

Well we have a weak government and the EU Wolfs and Tory Wolfs along with the opposition wolfs are going to make Mrs May's life a living hell. I would be surprised if she survived a year in office and could we be facing a another general election before 2022.

Should that come about and it may well, the Tories will learn from last nights mistake regarding a clear cut and costed manifesto, elect another leader and tidy up their policies bringing about a clear majority in government, especially if Corbyn clings on to power.

Jimbuna

06-09-17, 08:37 AM

Nick Clegg...:haha:
Sarah Olney...:har:

You could add Alex Salmond, Angus Robertson (The SNP leader at Westminster) and nearly Amber Rudd (Home Secretary) whose majority was just 346 to the above.

Quite an eventful evening.

MGR1

06-09-17, 08:38 AM

I'll even go so far as to say....if it hadn't of been for Corbyn and his lack of appeal regarding defence, Labour might well have been in with a decent chance of snatching victory.

Maybe, maybe not in certain cases. The analysis for Scotland suggests that SLab did well because of Corbyn rather than any innate qualities it had itself. In other words, the UK Labour manifesto appealed to many yes voters, particularly young ones.

I think what that indicates is that traditional Labour support in Scotland is indeed at the far left end of the party's support. I would actually say that Mhairi Black would be more at home in the Labour party than the Nats, it's just that Labour isn't left wing enough for her! But we all know that the Clyde Valley is pretty hard left by tradition - Red Clydeside and all that.

As for the North East... I wrote that Aberdeen North would stay SNP, I was right. I also remember posting this a while ago:

The simplest way to put it would be: the North East of Scotland voted SNP because Glasgow voted Labour. Now that Glasgow is voting for the SNP, the North East will start voting for someone else! It's also a former Unionist stronghold, so swinging back to the Tories is not outwith the realm of fiction.

Again I was right and it happened in some style unseating both Robertson and Salmond. No one expected Fat Eck to be turfed out so the SCons are right to be happy. Apart from Aberdeen North the NE is a sea of blue.

Mike.

Skybird

06-09-17, 08:55 AM

German newspaper titled: "May now is in a political PVS (persistent vegetative state: Wachkoma)."

The most correct description I found so far. The EU will enjoy profiling itself as a Zombie hunter.

Jimbuna

06-09-17, 09:08 AM

Should that be the case then the EU would be well advised to remember how the British people react in times of threats and adversity.

Eichhörnchen

06-09-17, 09:08 AM

German newspaper titled: "May now is in a political PVS (persistent vegetative state: Wachkoma)."

http://i.imgur.com/h0kIFrI.jpg "100 POINTS!"

Moonlight

06-09-17, 10:08 AM

http://i64.tinypic.com/n3pwtf.jpg

Eichhörnchen

06-09-17, 11:48 AM

WHACK!

STEED

06-09-17, 12:25 PM

I have to conclude people have had enough of Austerity as the number one reason the Tories lost, followed by their dreadful manifesto hitting pensioners. I suspect the polls at the start of the campaign or so played their part suggesting crazy predictions like the Tories could win 100 to 150 seats. And in both cases of the Tories and LibDems Brexit being rammed so hard was getting people down.

Labour had a chance being the largest party like the Tories just not enough to pass the post but in their case they had the SNP to side with them. As I already posted it looks like the voters want Labour back but not JC and his fan club. That said if the Tories botch it up Labour could slip back into power not because they are winnable because the Tories lost the plot.

Interesting side line about UKIP voters it seems most voted Labour therefore proving UKIP was a one trick pony that won the trick and nothing more to offer.

kraznyi_oktjabr

06-09-17, 12:30 PM

WHACK!Was that the starting whack in Whack-A-May(bot)? :hmmm:

:O:

Skybird

06-09-17, 12:42 PM

Should that be the case then the EU would be well advised to remember how the British people react in times of threats and adversity.

But May needs acceptance by the DUP which she has choosen as king maker, so to speak, and while I did not knpow anythign about the DUP until today :) it is clear however that the DUP seems to press for softer Brexit and will insist on concessions made regarding EU core demands, in order to make Ireland great again :D

The EU will note this constellation and will try to make maximum use of it. They would be stupid if they don't try.

As long as May stays as PM, and wants to continue negotiations, she has a snake in her bed now.

Many younger ones seem to have voted who did not go to the referendum one year ago. These do not want a hard Brexit, many do not want a Brexit at all. So why do you think the British people in total will resist too much if the EU presses for a soft Brexit that gives the Eu more of what it wants? This is not WWII, and the young generation today is less nationalistically and more internationally oriented.

And already these two other issues you have in domestic policies in your country, which some say have decided the election, had nothing to do with Brexit. But when Brexit with the not-so-young voter groups is already 3rd rank only on their list of interests, this seems to not be a sign for strong interests of rallying around the Union Jack once the clash with the EU negotiator team has begun, or do I overlook something?

I also do not take it for granted that May will still be PM in two or three years. I currently think chances are that she will go early. At least as long as she does not manage to trump, sink and defeat the EU, and I can no longer see her accomplishing that. Or as a German paper yesterday titled, in reference to the Iron Lady: May is no "eiserne Lady", but an "eiernde Lady" (herumeiern: wobbling, rolling around).

STEED

06-09-17, 12:54 PM

I have been thinking about Brexit and now conclude forget it, why? Well simple the EU monster is entrenched in our education system the young like the EU and one day they will get the UK back in the EU club.

So what is now the point of wasting money on a pointless exercise just to break free for a few years and then decide to kiss the EU to get back in.

Conspiracy maybe but with a weak wash out PM the EU is holding all the aces and the DUP all the kings and PM May a couple of jokers and the rules card.

STEED

06-09-17, 01:00 PM

PM May promises to provide 'certainty'

Fat chance, I got more chance getting a beer in the post from jim. :03:

Eichhörnchen

06-09-17, 01:15 PM

Was that the starting whack in Whack-A-May(bot)? :hmmm:

:O::haha: Could be...

My one and only election prediction came to pass: Paul "That Bloke's A Nuttall" Nuttall lost his pants up here in Boston... the one remaining UKIP MP, I could've told him he might as well go to bed early last night.

Catfish

06-09-17, 01:23 PM

Was that the starting whack in Whack-A-May(bot)? :hmmm: :O:

May be.

"The Merkel of Maidenhead" and other nicknames (https://www.indy100.com/article/11-new-nicknames-for-theresa-may-you-cannot-use-if-you-want-to-still-have-friends--byg0EKQMarW)

Martin James

06-09-17, 01:56 PM

...

Moonlight

06-09-17, 02:09 PM

So you're a turkey that votes for Christmas are you, I never thought that I'd actually meet one of them, don't come to the attention of these Tories matey or you're going to be well and truly plucked. :03:

Eichhörnchen

06-09-17, 02:17 PM

We might all be a bit slower-moving now... but we can still make it to the bloody polling station :)

Skybird

06-09-17, 02:20 PM

British politicians are totally dreadful.

They all are, not just the British. Wanting to become a polticians usually only appeals to the scum of the Earth, the deformed characters, the narcissists, the power-hungry, the unscrupulous, the cheaters, liars and fraudsters, the psychopaths, the antisocial and parasytical. The system demands it. And usually they are not even oned tenth as compoetent as thry think of themselves they are. At best they are wily.

Martin James

06-09-17, 02:26 PM

...

Moonlight

06-09-17, 02:45 PM

^If that post was directed at me Martin James I've been physically disabled since I broke my neck in 1990, so you or anyone else can't tell me anything about being disabled old boy. :o

Martin James

06-09-17, 03:04 PM

...

Eichhörnchen

06-09-17, 03:05 PM

Hey, get back in yer prams, you two and be nice :) Maybe we all can chill and go visit the Subsim Skippers' Brewhouse, or even Lechers' Corner... I'll buy you both a pint

STEED

06-10-17, 05:03 AM

Place your bets..
>My answers in Yellow<
Feel free to copy this section and put in your answers.

How long will you give Mrs May before she is bought down within?
(within the Tory party only) (B)

A. Less than six months
B. Six months to a year
C. One to two years
D. She will go full term

How long will you give Mrs May before she is bought down from outside? (Labour/EU/combination/nothing to do with the Tories) (B)

A. Less than six months
B. Six months to a year
C. One to two years
D. She will go full term

How long will you give Mrs May before she is bought down from all sides?
(Within the Tory party and Labour and the EU) (A)

A. Less than six months
B. Six months to a year
C. One to two years
D. She will go full term

If Mrs May falls which party will be the government? (C)

A. Conservatives with a new leader with the DUP
B. Labour with the SNP
C. None of the above there will be another general election

STEED

06-10-17, 08:04 AM

First threat down and dusted, next threat..:hmmm:

Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill, Theresa May's closest advisers, have resigned in the wake of the Conservatives' failure to win the general election.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40231107

STEED

06-10-17, 08:17 AM

Angela Merkel has said she sees no obstacles in the way of beginning Brexit talks as scheduled after Theresa May failed to win a majority in Thursday's UK election.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40231314

Or another way putting it she can't wait too have a dam good laugh and kick Mrs May up the backside.

Moonlight

06-10-17, 08:35 AM

Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!.
You're jumping on another bandwagon STEED, first it was Corbyn's head you and other's in this thread were after and now its Theresa May's head you want on a platter. :nope:
I won't be taking part in your game of political double standards as I already predicted this on 05-31-2017, 01:07 AM when every one was crowing about May and her upcoming whitewash election. :har:

I can see her in less than a year as being just another victim of her own backbenchers, no one from the opposition has to do anything, all they have to do is sit back and watch the show, another Maggie Thatcher exit is on the way, and that's a near as dammit certainty.
So how many people were predicting the upcoming political death of Theresa May then, What! nobody else...... :doh:
Some of us see the bigger picture long before the blinkered view of the right wing media does, perhaps you might do the same one day. :O:

Jimbuna

06-10-17, 09:47 AM

Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill quit No 10 after election criticism

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40231107

Totally predictable and inevitable in light of the election outcome.

MGR1

06-10-17, 09:50 AM

Sooo.... considering the sudden scrutiny of the DUP and Northern Ireland's political landscape, what does everyone think of Arlene Foster and co. propping up a May government?

People complain about money being shovelled up to Scotland, but per head Norn Iron gets even more back than it actually puts in. I think DUP backing will come with an extensive list which will cost a bit for mainland British taxpayers. We're also coming up to Marching Season (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parades_in_Northern_Ireland) as well.....:hmmm:

Also there's been a bit of a stramash over what the Scottish Tories may do next:

Ruth Davidson: 'No plans for breakaway party' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40232374)

As Ruth was voted in as Scots Cons leader on a non-split platform I think it would have to be something truly, irreparably, serious for her to change her position on that. They now find themselves having to go "Scotland Stronk in Union!!", too.

"Scotland Stronk" wins votes up here, as I've alluded to before.:03:

Moving on, I like Brian Taylor's analysis on the recent election:

Contemplating a remarkable election (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40226505)

Mrs May, the vicar's daughter, will undoubtedly be pondering Macmillan-style events. Her motivations for calling an early election were several and varied, mostly driven by partisan advantage.
The notion of "strengthening her hand" in Brexit negotiations never seemed particularly credible to me.
Were we really to believe that the other 27 EU nations would sideline their own national interests just because Mrs May won a bigger majority in the Commons?
Nevertheless, that was advanced as an objective. More, Mrs May envisaged a substantial Commons majority giving her a personal mandate and an opportunity to get her policies, Brexit included, past a potentially sceptical House.
In truth, she expected and anticipated a landslide over Jeremy Corbyn, who was supposed to play the role of pantomime villain, to be hissed and treated with contumely.
She has now failed in all three aims.
Couldn't say it better myself.:up:

Mike.

Jimbuna

06-10-17, 10:09 AM

http://i.imgur.com/kM15D0R.jpg

Moonlight

06-10-17, 10:09 AM

@MGR1 Yep! on that I can agree with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtCittJyr0

STEED

06-10-17, 12:51 PM

Lesbo Ruth is already very unhappy about the DUP. Will she breakaway with the Scots Tories? Only if it all went bad big time, as for the suggestion a leadership challenge from her direction yea sure that would get the DUP saying stuff you.

Come on guys place your bets..

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2490026&postcount=6693

Just fun only not serious at all.
At the moment jim is the King he won the last one.

STEED

06-10-17, 12:57 PM

JC is safe for now but can he make capital of it at PMQ's With a weaken Mrs May and a weak government. I am looking forward to round one.

But here is the big question will he call for a vote of no confidence in TM?

STEED

06-10-17, 01:13 PM

MGR1

06-10-17, 01:52 PM

Ed Miliband on Twitter:

@David_Cameron You know that coalition of chaos thing... (https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/873500850768969729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpoliti cs%2Flive%2F2017%2Fjun%2F10%2Fgeneral-election-2017-theresa-may-team-dup-live)

John Prescott:

Watching the Tories be like... (https://twitter.com/johnprescott/status/873562702874112000)

George Osborne after hearing the election result: LINK (https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/6gfn5o/george_osborne_after_hearing_the_result/). I think there'll a bit schadenfreude (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude) at May's position on his part.:03:

Cameron probably feels the same.

Mike.

MGR1

06-10-17, 02:13 PM

We now have a Confidence and Supply agreement between the Tories and the DUP: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40236152).

Mike.

STEED

06-10-17, 04:36 PM

Bet Ruth Davidson will have no time for the DUP. :03:

I can not see this lasting more than six months before the rot sets in.

In the mean time old JC is writing his queen's speech ready to take office according to the radio report.

STEED

06-10-17, 06:45 PM

Breaking News No.10 has cocked up..

The DUP says it has not yet agreed to back the Tories on a "confidence and supply basis", but talks are continuing. http://news.sky.com/story/dup-agrees-to-principles-of-confidence-and-supply-deal-with-tories-10911387

Right sack the silly sod who got it wrong releasing the news earlier.

STEED

06-11-17, 06:20 AM

No Deal yet so no government!

http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt167/misterbluntman/Bender.jpg

Moonlight

06-11-17, 06:38 AM

Theresa May and her "Strong and Stable" government is now in talks with the DUP which has had close connections with terrorists in the past, excuse me but I'm just not getting this, is it because this lot are Unionists whereas Sinn Fein are not?.
You've got some strange bedfellows Theresa but with less morals than an alley cat you'll try to sweep your hypocrisy under the carpet and try to carry on as normal. :doh:

A "Confidence and Supply" deal instead of a "Coalition of Chaos", what a useless pillock you're turning out to be Theresa, you based your main election strategy on Brexit but all you said on this fundamental question was "Brexit means Brexit" WTF! was all that about you silly mare, you've got to go Theresa and you've got to go now to preserve whatever dignity you've got left, which isn't much I can tell you.

Skybird

06-11-17, 06:47 AM

Too bad that despite all Google AI and Alexa, translation software still is in an infant stadium. This comment on May's situation and her maybe real intentions is - brilliant if being proven correct, foolish if being proven wrong. :D

IN GERMAN:
http://bazonline.ch/ausland/europa/theresa-may-hatte-nicht-recht/story/24668882

The author reflects on that May's real intentions maybe have been this: she wanted to get the Thather wing in her party, supporting a hard Braxit, under control by getting a strong majority in parliament - which would have allowed her to ignore the Thatcherists the more the stronger her general support in parliament would have been . That way she would have been allowed to lean more towards softer Brext negotiations, than the hard-Brexit Thatcherists would have forced her to deal out.

Interesting theory. If true, this ironically means that with her weakened position now she actually might need to accept hard Brexit conditions more than she planned to. However, one needs to see how the DUP will pull its new strings in government course plotting.

P.S. I know I know what she says in public, all the paroles and claims of her intentions, and that the media say she wanted a hard Brexit anyway. That is just the usual politicians' babbling, I do not give a penny for claims politicians make about what they want and what they plan and what they will do if only. Politicians lie if they find it opportune, that simple.

STEED

06-11-17, 01:18 PM

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says he can "still be prime minister" as he aims to thwart Theresa May's attempt to run a minority government.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40237813

You what!

Jeremy even with anyone else the Tories are still the largest party. They will vote against you as much as they can and make your life a nightmare.

Labour 262
SNP 35
LibDems 12
Greens 1
Plaid Cymru 4
Others 1
TOTAL 315

I have not counted Sinn Fein as they refuse to sit in the HOC
Sinn Fein 7
Grand TOTAL 322

Conservatives 318
DUP 10
GRAND TOTAL 328

That is 6 more than you old JC. :doh:

You can not do it old boy, your only hope is another general election and to be honest a lot of people are fed up and want a break from all of this for the rest of the year.

Catfish

06-11-17, 01:43 PM

^ :o Corbyn?! Maybe in a few years, if at all.
Seems politicians not only in Germany suffer from delusion :03:

STEED

06-11-17, 01:50 PM

^ :o Corbyn?! Maybe in a few years, if at all.
Seems politicians not only in Germany suffer from delusion :03:

Yea its a mad house now, leave your brain out side the HOC and collect it in 5,4,3,2,1 year(s) or some time soon. :doh: :haha:

Skybird

06-12-17, 02:16 AM

Any new liferafts spotted at Drowning Street 10 today? Rumour says Madame May now dreams in French at nights, flying like Macronman.

STEED

06-12-17, 08:26 AM

Theresa May delays Queen's Speech as she grapples to lead minority governmenthttp://news.sky.com/story/david-davis-admits-government-may-pursue-softer-brexit-10913263

Quick drop that and cross that out and put that lot on the back burner and keep the DUP happy very happy.

Beginning to look like the makings of a new carry on film..

Carry On May...Coming soon this winter.

Moonlight

06-12-17, 11:38 AM

She's meeting with the 1922 Committee right now, Instead of a Prime Minister standing tall and staring them down she'll be getting torn to shreds by them instead, in effect she'll become a puppet Prime Minister who'll be controlled by her cabinet and her backbenchers if she doesn't win them over.
Good luck Mrs Maybot you're going to need it, you're going to have to think fast on your feet for once because these pillocks will not take any more of your useless soundbites. I can see her surviving this encounter but any more screw ups from her and she'll be got rid of just like they got rid of Margaret Thatcher and Ian Duncan Smith.

BEWARE THE MEN IN GREY SUITS.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3778773/what-is-1922-committee-members-leadership-election/

STEED

06-12-17, 02:39 PM

From SKY News..

Theresa May is quoted as telling Tory MPs: "I got us into his mess, I'm the one who will get us out of it"
:har: :har: :har: :har:

Get the popcorn out this is going to be a roller coaster of a year. :haha:

George Osborne says Theresa May is a 'dead woman walking'
The former chancellor, who was sacked by the PM last year, says it's a question of "how long she is going to remain on death row".http://news.sky.com/story/george-obsorne-says-theresa-may-is-a-dead-woman-walking-10911970

Old Gids is having a field day giving old May a bashing..

STEED

06-12-17, 02:51 PM

And now this..

How's Larry the cat doing post-election?http://news.sky.com/video/hows-larry-doing-post-election-10912240

Jimbuna

06-12-17, 02:51 PM

From SKY News..

:har: :har: :har: :har:

Get the popcorn out this is going to be a roller coaster of a year. :haha:

http://news.sky.com/story/george-obsorne-says-theresa-may-is-a-dead-woman-walking-10911970

Old Gids is having a field day giving old May a bashing..

Aye,old Gideon has certainly got the bit between his teeth :yep:

Jimbuna

06-12-17, 03:03 PM

Nicola Sturgeon admits plan for second independence vote backfired after dismal SNP result.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nicola-sturgeon-snp-independence-referendum-blamed-election-losses-tories-defeat-a7782561.html

Good to see Sturgeon has come around and senses the reality of the feeling in Scotland....but for how long will it last?

STEED

06-12-17, 05:14 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nicola-sturgeon-snp-independence-referendum-blamed-election-losses-tories-defeat-a7782561.html

Good to see Sturgeon has come around and senses the reality of the feeling in Scotland....but for how long will it last?

Half an hour before the itch gets the better of her. :03:

Moonlight

06-12-17, 05:22 PM

That poison dwarf should shut the hell up, any more talk of that independence claptrap she keeps spouting and she'll consign the SNP back to the old days of political obscurity, whoa, keep talking fish face and do us all that favour. :D

Meanwhile Mark Mardell the Presenter of, (The World This Weekend) has this to say on the predicament that Theresa May has got herself into.

Theresa May: The prisoner of No 10
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40245800

The premiership is a poisoned chalice right now and no one else wants to drink from it, I don't know how TM can pull this bloody mess around but in her favour is that she's got a bloody stubborn streak in her and she won't accept defeat lightly, if anyone can do it she can, the alternative is bloody anarchy and no one wants that. :up:

Jimbuna

06-13-17, 05:27 AM

The premiership is a poisoned chalice right now and no one else wants to drink from it, I don't know how TM can pull this bloody mess around but in her favour is that she's got a bloody stubborn streak in her and she won't accept defeat lightly, if anyone can do it she can, the alternative is bloody anarchy and no one wants that. :up:

True that :yep:

Jimbuna

06-13-17, 05:31 AM

The prime minister will host Arlene Foster to thrash out the terms of the DUP's backing for her minority government.
Mrs May says they will have no veto on key policies. Mrs Foster says her party has the national interest at heart.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40255958

Theresa May to hold talks with DUP leaders on government deal and I'm going to be totally selfish (fast approaching 60 years of age) and hope the partnership works long enough for the triple-lock and social care changes to be kicked into the long grass.

STEED

06-13-17, 07:44 AM

Don't hold your breath folks, if the DUP pushes the boat out too far the mess will continual. The EU can smell blood and are already ramping it up lets get on with these talks. May is slowly being torn apart from all directions, question is how much more can she take?

Catfish

06-13-17, 07:48 AM

Appearing strong and being stubborn always gets them through.. especially when they are complete nuts. I do not mean any certain politicians here of course :03: or only german ones

STEED

06-13-17, 08:14 AM

Michel Barnier warns UK it faces cliff-edge 'no deal' Brexit
Michel Barnier, the EU's point man on Brexit, sounds increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I can't negotiate with myself."http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

Attention rest of the world visit the UK now before we go under and up in flames.

August

06-13-17, 08:22 AM

It's tough to change the state when the state doesn't want to change.

Catfish

06-13-17, 08:34 AM

http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

Attention rest of the world visit the UK now before we go under and up in flames.

Ah Barnier why don't you just shut up?
On the other hand, the british people have voted. How can it be so difficult to just start negotiations, what does this have to do with someone being prime minister, or for a time, or not, or whatever? The UK sure has non-political economical-savant negotiators who know what to do in the interest of the people, whoever accidentally happens to be "pm". I mean this is what a democracy is for eh?

STEED

06-13-17, 09:03 AM

Ah Barnier why don't you just shut up

NEVER...:O:

I live here and have every right to stick it to the government of the day. That's what us Brits are best at..MOANING.

Government, weather, cost of living you name it we moan at it.

STEED

06-13-17, 09:07 AM

BBC Rolling News

Bercow is re-elected as Speaker

House of Commons
Parliament
Posted at
15:01
John Bercow is re-elected as new Commons Speaker.

Boring..How about Dennis Skinner now there is a man who speaks his mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvIUa47x_Oc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZWM_3q4Pe0

Jimbuna

06-13-17, 12:12 PM

Catfish

06-13-17, 12:13 PM

I just heard that the government declaration cannot be read, because (here it comes!) it is written with ink on goatskin, and the drying takes three days. Is that true?

STEED

06-13-17, 12:21 PM

Theresa May is certainly not doing herself many favours currently but if she gets the backing of her cabinet and other senior figures she will always have her fall back position of being to walk away from the negotiating table and I don't think either side would want that.

Question is the Tory backbenchers could cause problems but I doubt they would go all the way as Mrs May can play the general election card and walk away. One thing is for sure Mrs May going to have to shape up fast....

Ken Clarke: "Theresa's A Bloody Difficult Woman"

Well now she has been weaken we shall see how difficult she can be.

Catfish

06-13-17, 12:27 PM

Ken Clarke: "Theresa's A Bloody Difficult Woman"

I heard something similar from Mr. Juncker, also that she suffered from delusion. At that time i thought it was him.. but now :03::haha:

Skybird

06-13-17, 01:34 PM

While the British government rips itselves apart and some of May's ministers and several Tories are said to meet with Labour to discuss a soft Brexit, the already short time reserve for the actual negotiations with the EU over thousands if not tens of thousands of single regulations and laws and treaties is ticking away. Mind you, two years, 24 month,s are the limit. And two and a half months already have been wasted.

For nothing more but weakening oneself.

And May's majoirty, if it materilaises by will and cooperation of the DUP, is anything but a solid one. I would not count on Tories always completely backing just any decision on Brexit by her. And the DUP seems to be a difficult "partner", from what I read.

Not a good outlook anymore.

STEED

06-13-17, 03:40 PM

Jimbuna

06-13-17, 04:20 PM

I just heard that the government declaration cannot be read, because (here it comes!) it is written with ink on goatskin, and the drying takes three days. Is that true?

Yes actually, it is very true :yep:

Jimbuna

06-13-17, 04:25 PM

I heard something similar from Mr. Juncker, also that she suffered from delusion. At that time i thought it was him.. but now :03::haha:

Comparing the clown Juncker with the clown Boris would have been a better example.

I'm honestly of the opinion that May, even in a bruised and weakened form commands more respect on the world stage than Juncker and lets be honest here, first minister of the United Kingdom brings a lot more kudos than that given to a self proclaimed king of nothing, even if he does come from that world leader in all things statelike....Luxembourg.

STEED

06-13-17, 07:01 PM

I just heard that the government declaration cannot be read, because (here it comes!) it is written with ink on goatskin, and the drying takes three days. Is that true?

Yep but for the love of peace do not tell the Green Party.

The plot thickens..

'Don't blame the goatskin, the Govenment are using the wrong ink', says vellum maker http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/could-produce-queens-speech-ten-minutes-says-vellum-maker/

Catfish

06-14-17, 01:46 AM

Skybird

06-14-17, 02:27 AM

^The worst case scenario no deal no brexit and that raises the question could there be a UKIP big come back? This could be the case again if there is a deal but its a soft brexit. One thing is for sure the odds of a hard brexit have slumped big time, so the last option we walk away without a deal well even that looks slim.
Wasn't there a high court ruling that she cannot just walk away from parliament either (although that was what originally she wanted) ? Even if she leaves the table at Brussels without a deal, at home she might not get the acceptance for that that she needs, or did I memorize that wrong? I live by the impression that she needs the parliament's acceptance for any outcome she wants to approve.

STEED

06-14-17, 09:02 AM

Juncker back in 2015 seems to be drunk at a European Summit in Riga. :hmmm:

If he every did that to Mrs May it would be more than a few eyebrows raised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU

STEED

06-14-17, 09:16 AM

Wasn't there a high court ruling that she cannot just walk away from parliament either (although that was what originally she wanted) ? Even if she leaves the table at Brussels without a deal, at home she might not get the acceptance for that that she needs, or did I memorize that wrong? I live by the impression that she needs the parliament's acceptance for any outcome she wants to approve.

Very complex SKY and with this new weaken government needing the DUP to prop it up the road to Brexit has become even more foggy.

Hope this helps..
Parliament and the Brexit dealhttps://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/brexit-explained/parliament-and-brexit-deal

The EU’s role in Brexit negotiationshttps://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/brexit-explained/brexit-explained-eu-role-brexit-negotiations

STEED

06-14-17, 09:20 AM

Veteran Tory MP Ken Clarke says May has to work with Corbyn for a Brexit dealhttp://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-tory-mp-says-a-cross-party-deal-needs-to-be-agreed-2017-6?r=US&IR=T

Mrs May is without question facing a very tough time, can she work with Labour only time will tell. And one major stumbling block is below in the next link.

Labour rules out working with Theresa May on Brexit until she dumps 'no deal' rhetorichttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-conservatives-corbyn-may-cross-party-approach-ruled-out-no-deal-rhetoric-a7788486.html

Jimbuna

06-14-17, 09:21 AM

Juncker back in 2015 seems to be drunk at a European Summit in Riga. :hmmm:

If he every did that to Mrs May it would be more than a few eyebrows raised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU

Yep, he's a real class act....not.

Jimbuna

06-14-17, 09:25 AM

Thanks for clearing the goatskin question :)

@Jim regarding May or Juncker.. true from the english point of view. Though the intention of the Eu is that all participating states have the same rights within the EU, so even small Luxembourg with its elected (yes he is) leader has the same say and right as all other bigger) nations.. officially..
No i don't think Juncker is sympathetic, but despite all media bashing i take it he's better than the gossip tries to portray him.
May.. well i am not sure. For England and brexit it is maybe better if she stays and gets all the support, on the other hand she as a person is not necessary for negotiations with the EU. She is the figurehead, but the hard work is done by others who know their stuff well enough. Or so i hope.

I really fail to see all that much equality within the EU if I'm to be honest and in particular regarding the differing amounts of contributions paid in by member states and that which is paid out.

Hopefully the negotiations will not turn acrimonious in nature but for that to happen, there are a great many who should leave their comments to the media in particular, better worded.

STEED

06-14-17, 12:53 PM

Tim Farron has stepped down as leader of the Liberal Democrats after the general election.
In a statement, he said he was "torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader".http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40281300

I found him arrogant and will not miss him, after all in the last six months he only appeared three times at PMQ's. Old Angus former leader of the SNP in the HOC before losing his seat attended and asked questions at every PMQ's.

Catfish

06-14-17, 02:02 PM

I really fail to see all that much equality within the EU if I'm to be honest and in particular regarding the differing amounts of contributions paid in by member states and that which is paid out. [...]

And i am tired of the whining how much the UK have to pay, since obviously no one can say for sure how much it is, nor how much it really gets back. Germany also pays a lot of money, as does France. Freedom, ideals but also stalwart advantages like access to the markets or speaking with one major voice towards hegemonial efforts from China or the USA cannot be exactly measured of course, but you could as well describe that as invaluable.

Each and every family in the UK gets more out of the EU than it has to pay. Payments to the EU is around £214 /household (Institute for Fiscal Studies), but the Confederation of British Industry estimates that an EU membership is worth £3,000 for each household. Roughly ten times of what is being paid. And this money comes backthrough lower prices for everyday goods, jobs created, increased investment in the UK and trade not only with EU countries, but through them.

Apart from that nations that are better off, help finance those who are not, for special improvements like a better infrastructure or help in competition, that is and was clear as mud when the UK joined the EU. Which is why e.g. Wales and Scotland and Malta get money. During this time their competition improved but also the personal wealth of their citizens. Is this so bad? Wait for ten years and look at the picture then. Well not anymore now of course.
This has been the idea all the time, and i wonder why people suddenly regain their patriotism as a vehicle to more or less hide xenophobism and hate towards the EU and others.

There seems to be some romantic idea of how great this Empire was and that it will come back just because England will be alone and great again against all instead of working together.
The major advantage of brexit will that someone like Farage cannot blame the EU for everything anymore, and that this woeful EU 'leadership' will change for the better :nope:

edit: Sorry i think i just had to vent, bad form. Not a good answer to serious concerns, especially in the light of the latest tragedies. Will not delete it since it is up now for a day and only leads to more confusion.

Skybird

06-15-17, 03:55 AM

The EU does and wants and demands many things that nation's leaders did not have on radar at the time they decided to join (no matter whether their people wnated it or not). My quarrel with the EU is not what it once was about - but what it meanwhile claims wanting to become.

I reject the idea that any "Yes" in the past necessarily must be taken as agreeing to future projects that were not even planned or talked about at the time the first Yes was approved.

If compoanies or banks or insurrances would imply that, they usually get immediate troble and legal challenges from consumer rights protection organisations. These laws exist, for the better of the consumer's protection against such arbitrariness. Just plticians time and again think they stand outside of the laws' and treaties' reach.

Free trade in Europe, okay. More there should never have been. Military cooperation: NATO business. Continental superstate, shared currency, own taxes, enforcing monoculturalism everywhere, erasing different national identities, the own fianncing the mismanagement and debt-rising of th eother: that never was set up to decide on to the people of Europe. Though some - the net receivers may have aimed at getting more money back than they have to put in.

What the EU and what EUrocrats want, in the end is nothign else but total power. That simple it is. Total power. Cultural cleansing. A central planned society, a central planned economy. We allow a totalitarian dictatorship forming up there. Like we have had it before. In the GDR. The USSR. Even the Third Reich'S social and economic order was like this.

And you applaude it. But socialism never can work, since it always ignores inescapable aspects of reality.

The more I have learned about this man, the more I am being impressed and feel great respect for him. Such a sharp mind, but his time witnesses described him always as such a friendly, kind, polite person and a man of utmost humility. Some youtube videos show the old man, and still there he is at the same time so witty, so calm and friendly. - This quotation site is a treasure chest of wisdom for those who do not care to read whole books by him. For a start in book readiong, I necessarily and always will recommend The Road to Serfdom.

http://www.azquotes.com/author/6429-Friedrich_August_von_Hayek