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Jimbuna
09-13-16, 11:57 AM
He will be missed by many but I suspect the opposite by many as well.
I think this was more to do with the grammar schools, May wants them and he doesn't and since he was once PM the media would be all over him for his opinion as 'former PM'. Honestly, he can make more money on the lecture circuit and book writing trail too, I mean look at the Blair, he hasn't done bad for himself since he ejected.
Jimbuna
09-14-16, 09:23 AM
Corbyn reckons Mays proposals would take the country 'backwards'. A bit like how you have taken the Labour party Jeremy?
Corbyn reckons Mays proposals would take the country 'backwards'. A bit like how you have taken the Labour party Jeremy?
The leadership debate try spineless debate, both were rubbish and unfit to be leaders.
Jimbuna
09-15-16, 09:01 AM
The leadership debate try spineless debate, both were rubbish and unfit to be leaders.
Rgr that :yep:
So UKIP has a new leader and we wait to find out what we all know that JC will remain in his job next weekend.
Jimbuna
09-17-16, 09:21 AM
Add to that the fact that the UK political system as it currently stands means the SNP will always prevent a Labour government being formed and bookies wouldn't offer any realistic odds on a Tory government in the next election.
Add to that the fact that the UK political system as it currently stands means the SNP will always prevent a Labour government being formed and bookies wouldn't offer any realistic odds on a Tory government in the next election.
True, Labour always relied on their Scottish contingent to provide an extra safe core of support alongside their equally safe seats in the North of England and South Wales. Doing so allowed them to contest the marginal constituencies in England with the Tories and the Lib-Dems.
Let's be honest here - the Scottish branch of Labour became fat, dumb and a bit too happy with their position. So much so that they ended up abusing that position, even if they can't or won't accept that they did, despite Kezia Dugdale's efforts. You just have to look at the mess they made of Glasgow, for starters. Using devolution to try and cement their position in Scotland has bitten them on the rear-end - they couldn't control the monster that they created. The result being that SLab got themselves wiped out in what were once safe seats for them.
This has had the result that, although it is possible for Labour to get a majority in England alone, things are much, much harder. Under Corbyn it's nigh impossible.
Anyway, here's the second part of Andrew Marr's "Scotland and the Battle for Britain": LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07wzw02/scotland-and-the-battle-for-britain-episode-2). BBC iPlayer, so again, UK residents only.
Mike.
Jimbuna
09-21-16, 07:15 AM
Voting has now ended in the Labour leadership contest and the result will be announced in Liverpool on Saturday.
Any takers on Corbyn losing?
Corbyn wins with 61.8% of the vote: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37461219).
Slab leader Kezia Dugdale says Corbyn "could win election": LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37461892).
Ah-huh.
I seem to recall that Dugdale wasn't one of Corbyn's admirers before he became leader. It also seems she can't press a button properly: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37438056).
NEC backs greater autonomy for Scottish Labour: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37417697).
So SLab thinks it can try and out-SNP the SNP, though minus the independence part? To late, they've lost Glasgow to the Nats and I don't think it'll be coming back to SLab any time soon.
If I were Theresa May I'd be wondering why the British State has managed to lose control of Scotland's largest population area.
Mike.
SDP TIME! :yeah:
They don't have the guts to breakaway and form a new party which shows them up for what they are...spineless.
See you all next year for a another whacky episode of leadership challenge.
Jimbuna
09-25-16, 06:12 AM
I should imagine there are a lot of Tories out there rubbing their hands with glee now that Corbyn has cemented his position as Labour leader.
A car crash interview by SLab Leader Kezia Dugdale: LINK (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJhpu2XZHbQ).
Note, it's cringe worthy.:lost:
May I point out that Dugdale is arguably one of SLab's better MSP's. If Dugdale goes, there isn't anyone really capable of replacing her.
It's little wonder the SNP have managed to utterly crush Labour in Scotland when you realise just how outclassed they are. No talent or intelligence whatsoever.:doh:
Mike.
Former SNP and now Independent MP Natalie McGarry has been charged with fraud offences: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37487841).
She resigned the SNP Whip after allegations were made of financial irregularities in both the "Women for Independence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_for_Independence)" organisation, which McGarry co-founded, and also the SNP's Glasgow Regional Association. Her lawyer is Aamer Anwar (LINK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aamer_Anwar)), who is about as slimy an individual as can imagined, even for a lawyer!:Kaleun_Sick:
I'm a little surprised that Police Scotland took so long to charge her but I'd imagine that the requirement under Scots Law for Corroboration in prosecution cases (where "at least two different and independent sources of evidence are required in support of each crucial fact before a defendant can be convicted of a crime": LINK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corroboration_in_Scots_law)) had something to with it.
We'll see what comes of it. I'm not holding up much hope of a conviction, though.
In the meantime, back at Labour's conference, the motion giving SLab greater autonomy has been passed: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37483113).
The reforms mean that:
The Scottish Labour Party Executive Committee (SEC) will be responsible for the procedures and selection of all UK parliamentary candidates in Scotland
The SEC will have overall responsibility for the management of constituency Labour parties in Scotland
The Scottish Labour Party will be directly represented with voting rights on the NEC
Scottish Labour will have full control over policy making, including in reserved policy areas
But Scottish Labour is not becoming a separate party and is expected to continue to share finances with the UK party
Mike.:hmmm:
Jimbuna
09-28-16, 07:56 AM
Wondering how much under £100,000 'five-figure sum of money' is :hmmm:
If there was evidence that the human race is going dumb look no further than JC's followers, I have be listening to the radio this week and when the subject of a JC leadership victory comes up out come the fools. The amount of fools who seriously believe old JC is going to pull off a 2020 victory was deeply worrying.
Some examples from voters..
We will see a Labour landslide victory
Socialism is back and will win
JC will pull off the greatest victory ever
You get the drift..
These voters have forgotten the elephant in the room the SNP. Old JC can not win just from England and Wales he needs Scotland as well.
Tens of thousands of people claiming the main benefit for long-term sickness will no longer face repeated medical assessments to keep their payments.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37526324
Long over due and about time too.
Jimbuna
10-02-16, 06:48 AM
May has announced the UK will trigger Article 50 by end of March 2017.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37532364
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37526324
Long over due and about time too.
Amen, colour me astonished that they actually did it. More reasonable actions like this and Labour will be even more sunk than they are now. :doh:
I also think that the idea of enshrining all current EU laws in UK law and then trimming back gradually is also a smart move, although what they choose to get rid of will be controversial.
These voters have forgotten the elephant in the room the SNP. Old JC can not win just from England and Wales he needs Scotland as well.
That would require Scottish Labour to be worth voting for.
They aren't.
Amen, colour me astonished that they actually did it. More reasonable actions like this and Labour will be even more sunk than they are now. :doh:
I also think that the idea of enshrining all current EU laws in UK law and then trimming back gradually is also a smart move, although what they choose to get rid of will be controversial.
The SNP will still gurn - TORIESBAD/BREXITBAD after all!
Oh. I forgot to add that Labour's autonomy policy for Scottish Labour also applies to Welsh Labour as well. That'll keep Carwyn Jones happy!
So you now have SLab and WLab as semi-autonomous parties umder the broader Labour banner. English Labour (ELab) next?
Mike.
The markets took the news of Article 50 in March as well as can be expected:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct02LoIXYAApub2.jpg
The fact that we seem to be lurching towards a hard Brexit and exiting the single market permanently...well, I think we'll be seeing more of the above.
God alone knows what the farmers are going to do when their subsidies go. :o
Catfish
10-03-16, 06:35 AM
[...] well, I think we'll be seeing more of the above. God alone knows what the farmers are going to do when their subsidies go. :o
Easy, Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson will pay for all..
They knew so well what is better for England and how to handle the situation, so they will pay for it. Personally.
Seriously, the "markets" and "economy" is nothing what you can really predict, or plan. So it still may go up at some point. Also, look at the small numbers at the y-axis, it is not as bad as it seems to be.
Ok, up to now the rest of Europe is not overly impressed by what England does, but i guess as long as London remains the main money laundering place for drug cartels (along with Frankfurt), at least the rich can have their say and celebrate their patriotism.
Jimbuna
10-03-16, 09:50 AM
We'll bounce back.......won't we :hmmm:
"Does the Scottish Parliament hold a veto over Brexit?" by Brian Taylor: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37544592).
More potential for constitutional wrangling: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37540552).
You could end up in a situation where Westminster as the ultimate UK sovereign body overrules the wishes of the devolved legislatures in Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh.
Cue constitutional crisis and not necessarily Holyrood vs Westminster either. It could easily be Stormont or the Senedd.:hmmm:
Mike.
Jimbuna
10-04-16, 10:00 AM
Yeah, interesting times ahead I suspect.
Bit of a stooshie at Holyrood:
"Row over scrutiny as Scots budget delayed until December": LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37543638).
Related articel;
"'Fundamental' review of Holyrood budget process launched": LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37317619).
There seems to be a fundamental dichotomy when it comes to greater power.
On the one hand, the SNP are being extremely cautious, even outright timid, in their plans on how to use what's being devolved just in case they screw up. Therefore they carp on and on that what's being offered doesn't go far enough, i.e. the ability to raise or lower income tax isn't much use without all the other taxation policies which Westminster has at it's disposal. They do have a point.
On the other, Scottish Unionists, particularly the Tories, seem to be afraid of giving any more powers (Full Fiscal Autonomy for example) to the Holyrood parliament just in case the SNP actually make a success of using them. This would completely undermine their main argument, which is that Scotland is economically better off in the Union. Afterall, what good the Union if Scotland is better off running it's own economy using a full suite of powers?
Thus, impasse.
Mike.:hmmm:
Jimbuna
10-04-16, 03:56 PM
Theresa May insists UK economy can withstand Brexit turbulence.
I'd really be interested in knowing what makes her so confident :hmmm:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37549796
Catfish
10-04-16, 03:59 PM
Theresa May insists UK economy can withstand Brexit turbulence. [..] ]
"Wir schaffen das."
"Ihr schafft das."
:hmmm:
So UKIP has a new leader.
Aaaand now they don't, after 18 days in the job she's thrown in the towel.
Wonder if the UKIP emergency committee will elect Nigel Farage to act as leader? :haha:
Jimbuna
10-05-16, 08:05 AM
Was wondering that myself :)
EDIT: Announced only one minute ago.
Nigel Farage says he is back as UKIP's leader after Diane James unexpectedly quit the job after 18 days at the helm.
Speaking to the BBC, Mr Farage said he would be the UK Independence Party's interim leader until a fresh election was held to find Ms James' successor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561065
And now UKIP leadership hopeful Steven Woolfe is in serious condition in hospital, collapsing after an 'altercation' at a UKIP meeting in Strasbourg.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37572377?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
https://catmacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/what_hell_going_on_cats.jpg?w=720
Jimbuna
10-06-16, 09:59 AM
Certainly keeps them in the news but hopefully he'll make a full recovery.
UKIP is tearing itself apart just like Labour. At this rate may as well vote Tory the way things are going.
Were it not for their attempts to poach UKIP supporters by going full whacko on foreign workers they would certainly seem like an interesting concept...or perhaps just one of the parties that a) isn't tearing itself apart or b) actually has more than one member.
As it stands though, well:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuEH2LaW8AANkml.jpg
Catfish
10-08-16, 04:55 AM
Oh no problem, soon you can blame all on yourself.
Anyone heard Amber Rudd?
How the hell can international students be counted under net migration numbers :doh:
I wish you all the best, but it really is not looking like it.
Oh no problem, soon you can blame all on yourself.
Anyone heard Amber Rudd?
How the hell can international students be counted under net migration numbers :doh:
I wish you all the best, but it really is not looking like it.
Plan B
King (flat cap) Jim 1st. :)
DPRUK. :up:
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Kim-Jong-un.gif
Jimbuna
10-09-16, 06:32 AM
Plan B
King (flat cap) Jim 1st. :)
The way things are going I'm thinking of emigrating to a warmer climate.
The kids are up now so not much stopping us....until grandkids make an appearance.
The way things are going I'm thinking of emigrating to a warmer climate.
Move South its warmer here and winter is something we only get every 10 years give and take.
Give you a free late night tour where I work as well. :03:
Jimbuna
10-10-16, 02:39 PM
Move South its warmer here and winter is something we only get every 10 years give and take.
Give you a free late night tour where I work as well. :03:
Any openings for an elderly gargoyle? :)
Jimbuna
10-10-16, 02:41 PM
Brexit: No vote on talks but MPs may have say on EU deal
Looks like this lady is not for turning either.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37606228
Takeda Shingen
10-10-16, 02:42 PM
Move South its warmer here and winter is something we only get every 10 years give and take.
Give you a free late night tour where I work as well. :03:
I've said before, come stateside. We'll put you up while you get settled. No barter economy here, and our election cycles are way more fun. We've got this one guy, he's nuts. You have no idea what is going to come out of his mouth next.
Any openings for an elderly gargoyle? :)
Sure we can slot you in some where. :)
Jimbuna
10-10-16, 02:46 PM
I saw your change and deleted :shucks:
Brexit: No vote on talks but MPs may have say on EU deal
Looks like this lady is not for turning either.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37606228
Too much here say at the moment, just hope next year we get more solid facts on what is going on.
Jimbuna
10-10-16, 02:56 PM
Too much here say at the moment, just hope next year we get more solid facts on what is going on.
Probably after Article 50 is invoked.
Probably after Article 50 is invoked.
Agreed, all of us will have to keep a eye on this and ask questions. Make the effort to write or phone or email or see your MP.
The Scottish Government backs third runway at Heathrow: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37605123).
The Scottish government has said it is backing the plan to add a third runway at London's Heathrow airport.The project has been heavily debated for a number of years, but Scottish ministers have said it offers significant strategic and economic benefits for Scotland.
The government said this would include up to 16,000 new jobs.
Heathrow Airport and the Scottish government have signed a Memorandum of Understanding.
Bit of an irony that the May government can rely on 54 SNP votes should Heathrow's expansion get the go-ahead. Apparently it might counterbalance in any stroppy Tory back-benchers.
Mike.:hmmm:
Jimbuna
10-11-16, 08:56 AM
UKIP begins inquiry into Woolfe incident and Farage, when asked if UKIP could be taken seriously as a political party following the fracas, referred to other scuffles involving former Labour MPs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37606386
UKIP begins inquiry into Woolfe incident and Farage, when asked if UKIP could be taken seriously as a political party following the fracas, referred to other scuffles involving former Labour MPs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37606386
Don't recall any Labour MPs requiring hospitalisation after them though. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
10-11-16, 02:13 PM
Don't recall any Labour MPs requiring hospitalisation after them though. :hmmm:
True that but one was broadcast live on national TV :)
Catfish
10-11-16, 02:17 PM
It's like peeing in a public bath: everyone does it, but probably not from the spring board :03:
Jimbuna
10-12-16, 07:55 AM
Corbyn performed fairly well at PMQ's (for a change) but watered down the effect by asking questions on Brexit that everyone knows there are currently no answers to.
Skybird
10-13-16, 07:20 AM
Sturgeon announces consultations for second referendum. If you get more than you give, you surely know whom you want to line up with.
But with Brexit-hostile EUcrats indicating the Scots would be given special deals bypassing current EU laws and treaties to help Scotland getting into the EU as an "independent" nation, there also are many polticians who makde already clear that Scotland should not take it for grnated to just pick up what Britain has left behind laying on the ground in EU terms and benefits.
Me, I tell the Scots the same what I said last time: my sympathy for your independence - but you have to make sure you actually can afford it and you have to make sure you can make a living by your own means. If you expect us others to pay your bills, then you depend on us, and thus you are not indepednet and soverign a nation at all, no matter what your referendum claims. The last thing that I want and what the EU needs, is another net-receiving hungry mouth at the table. And that is what it would come down to. Britian was/still is a net payer. Scotland would be a net-receiver. The total balance regarding Scottish EU membership, from the EU's POV is negative. Thus, I want such a membership being denied by the EU.
A sovereign nation is only sovereign, when it can come up for its living by itself, and it is only independent, when it can come up for its bills by its own economic power. If it cannot secure this, then all talking about sovereignty and independence is just empty, pathetic kerfuffle. You cannot claim to be independent when you de facto are dependent.
Jimbuna
10-13-16, 09:52 AM
^ I can agree with that :yep:
Brian Taylor's take on the matter: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37646408).
Sturgeon has two problems:
1. The polls don't show any significant shift towards independence in Scotland. Yet. I would say most people are taking a wait-and-see approach.
2. This is probably her biggest concern - internal party tensions between the Gradualists, like her, and the Radicalists, like Salmond. Note that the Gradual/Radical wings within the SNP don't corrolate strictly along Right/Left lines.
At the end of the day, any IndyRef2 would require authorisation by Westminster as the constitution is a reserved matter.
Mike.
Jimbuna
10-14-16, 07:12 AM
I can't see Westminster agreeing whilst May is at the helm and in all probability that might help Sturgeons cause in the medium term.
Once Brexit is finalised and the Scottish position regarding the EU is clarified once and for all I should imagine the Scottish people will be in a better position to make an informed choice.
No disagreement there.
One thing I do find quite irritating, which has reared it's head again in the papers with this, is the use of "Scotland" and "SNP" interchangably. The SNP isn't Scotland, nor does everyone up here vote for them! :/\\!!
Mike.:dead:
Jimbuna
10-15-16, 08:42 AM
Yep, my lad works with three fellow officers who are Scottish and they all say the same.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/168882
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rLrG_IZZ67k/VJ2SdIFly9I/AAAAAAAAASI/xebGfeH8b1w/s1600/beeker-what-is-this-i-dont-even.gif
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/168882
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rLrG_IZZ67k/VJ2SdIFly9I/AAAAAAAAASI/xebGfeH8b1w/s1600/beeker-what-is-this-i-dont-even.gif
I would not bother getting hot under the collar over that one due to the fact you can put up any old petition as long as you have four backers. I used to work with a guy who wanted to put up a petition demanding the British government come clean about secret worm holes in time and space, he couldn't get four backers wonder why. :03:
Most of these petitions do not reach the number to be vetted by a panel who decide if Parliament should debate it. And even if it did the chance of it being passed is less than 1%.
No disagreement there.
One thing I do find quite irritating, which has reared it's head again in the papers with this, is the use of "Scotland" and "SNP" interchangably. The SNP isn't Scotland, nor does everyone up here vote for them! :/\\!!
Mike.:dead:
I think the SNP has peaked and under that power mad crazy women the everyday Scots will start to see through her. The fall will take time unless there is a uprising in Scotland against the SNP.
I would not bother getting hot under the collar over that one due to the fact you can put up any old petition as long as you have four backers. I used to work with a guy who wanted to put up a petition demanding the British government come clean about secret worm holes in time and space, he couldn't get four backers wonder why. :03:
Most of these petitions do not reach the number to be vetted by a panel who decide if Parliament should debate it. And even if it did the chance of it being passed is less than 1%.
It's more who put it up that's the problem...sad indication of the people in politics. :dead:
It's more who put it up that's the problem...sad indication of the people in politics. :dead:
Politics as it stands now is a right bloody mess and I just don't see it getting any better.
I may sign a petition if the question is Parliment should back Subsims and donate £5000 a year. :03: :)
Speaking of right royal messes, Steven Woolfe has left UKIP after the punch-up saying that it is in a 'death spiral'. I dare say he'll probably join the Tories again soon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37682828
Jimbuna
10-17-16, 01:08 PM
Yep, a golden opportunity to eat into the Labour traditional vote and they implode.
Perfect timing.
UKIP is doing a Labour ripping itself apart. Bet the Tories are enjoying this as two party's fall apart and the LibDems are still lost in the woods.
Your next voting paper..
Conservative Far Right Wing
Conservative Right Wing
Conservative Centre
Conservative Left Wing
Conservative Mixed Bag that changes each year in government
Catfish
10-17-16, 03:56 PM
Meanwhile during fall 2016, Mr. Farage finally got some time for himself, at the english-european front:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/Farage%20HE%20Shell_zpsfoffl7wj.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/Farage%20HE%20Shell_zpsfoffl7wj.jpg.html)
Schroeder
10-17-16, 05:53 PM
Speaking of right royal messes, Steven Woolfe has left UKIP after the punch-up saying that it is in a 'death spiral'. I dare say he'll probably join the Tories again soon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37682828
Looks to me that they know that they've messed up royally with their Brexit referendum and are now leaving the sinking ship in a hurry.
You know when even the staunchest supporters of a Brexit now show signs that they actually didn't want to win it and have no clue what to do then it was obviously a terrible idea to begin with. Well, I guess only time will tell...:-?
Meanwhile during fall 2016, Mr. Farage finally got some time for himself, at the english-european front:
You know...they say some of those shells are still live and can explode with no warning...
Just a thought...
Anyway, apparently UKIP is in a much worse place than I initially realised. Turns out that they are actually in debt to a turn of around five or six figures, and their chief donor (Arron Banks, sort of a pound shop Trump I guess) was refusing to put forward the money unless Woolfe became leader, or at least if Woolfe was prevented from becoming leader.
So whoever does take over from Diane James's brief tenure at the reins will have a party which will probably be bankrupt within a few months.
That's what happens when you make a political party which revolves around one man, when that man is no longer there, the party collapses.
In other news, according to businessinsider, the number of people who now regret voting for Brexit is larger than the margin of victory for the Leave campaign.
http://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-vote-regret-leave-margin-victory-2016-10?r=UK&IR=T
Still, Brexit means Brexit, we're riding this bomb aaaaaaall the way down.
http://i.imgur.com/2IWvDCb.jpg
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/faebd469bd02eb746032de8a6829e2889646ceef/0_0_650_441/master/650.jpg?w=940&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&
Jimbuna
10-18-16, 08:04 AM
Meanwhile, down on the ranch.....
The airports expansion decision is to be announced next week. Wonder what the long overdue decision will be :hmmm:
My money is on Heathrow...either that or they'll postpone the decision again. :har:
My money is on Heathrow...either that or they'll postpone the decision again. :har:
Aaaaaand my second guess was right, from the Beebs Norman Smiths twitter account: "No final vote on Heathrow or Gatwick before winter of 2017/18"
There'll be a bloody pile-up on one of the runways before someone will get off their arse and do something about the traffic. :nope:
Jimbuna
10-18-16, 02:29 PM
My guess is she'll test the waters in her cabinet first then possibly await a larger majority in the house.
Skybird
10-19-16, 11:53 AM
I wonder if and how this will make waves.
https://www.rt.com/uk/362910-mod-german-infantry-vehicles/
A potent deal in these times of dawning Brexit negotiations . Germany may not want to threaten this deal if it indeed becomes reality, also, Britian is an extremely important export market for Germany, a very important one, so there is quite some serious economic interest on the German side to not play too hard on the British, like the EU demands to intimidate other EU members. On the other hand, this German government has demonstrated repeatedly now that it is allowing to get German economic interests getting severly damaged (Euro disaster, sanctions against Russia for the main do damage Germany, more than any other Western economy, and then the triggering of the mass migration movement to Germany) for idealist daydreaming. also, with the UK leaving, the side of the net payers led by Germnay, lose their blocking minority option in the eU council of ministers - all the net receivers in the South can then overvote and overwhlem any resistance of net payers agains decisions for tunring the EU even more into a transfer uniton where the few have to pay for the mismanagement of the many. Not even mentioning that already now, with Brexit turning into reality, the German funding of the EU budget would grow from 21% to 25%. For no other country the Brexit has so serious consequences in net volume, than for Germany. The British poll therefore was a shock, and a nightmare scenario.
The Boxer is not a bad buy, no doubt, in its class it often is claimed to be the dominator. It also comes at a hefty price tag, however. Competing vehicles are cheaper, and do not lag that far behind the Boxer. Whether the Boxers claimed superior qualities are worth the additional money, only insiders can assess.
Jimbuna
10-20-16, 10:08 AM
^Certainly agree with you on the Brexit trade negotiations but the immigration subject is probably the more important factor where the majority of the British people are concerned.
Back on the topic of trade: Britain imports a lot more from the EU than it exports so the outcome of negotiations will potentially be very damaging to either side.
Can the EU prevent that at the possible cost of showing weakness to other EU members and in so doing, encourage others to follow the UK lead?
Putting aside the other by-election and just looking at the Witney by-election I was a little surprised the Tories hold was slashed by a good 20,000 votes! Of course we all knew the Tories would win but to see that majority shrink by that much was a interesting note. So the LibDems have finally found a path out the woods beating Labour in to second place. Next years local elections could be interesting and may proved a surprise or two.
If the Lib Dems manage to get some more air time they could push back towards the center ground, especially if the Tories (which by the way, the word Tory comes from an Irish term for criminal) go after the UKIP vote as UKIP disintergrate, which leaves the center ground open for the taking as Labour go hard left and the Tories hard right.
Jimbuna
10-22-16, 09:58 AM
^ Agree :yep:
Jimbuna
10-25-16, 12:20 PM
Sooooooooo, MP Zac Goldsmith resigns over the decision to build a third runway at Heathrow, even though it could be as many as ten years away, if it eventually does go ahead.
A man of principal or the spoiled son of billionaire businessman and financier Sir James Goldsmith?
Only time will tell :hmmm:
^ He is standing as a Independent, question is a Tory Ind? :hmmm:
Time the third runway is built the world's oil will be running low. :haha:
Jimbuna
10-27-16, 07:50 AM
The UK economy grew by a better-than-expected 0.5% in the three months following the Brexit vote.
Far better than some expected.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37786467
Jimbuna
10-27-16, 07:53 AM
Looks like the village idiot is out on temporary release again!!
Labour has accused the government of favouring a "bankers' Brexit" at the expense of the wider economy.
Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the Tories wanted to "cut special deals" for the financial sector.
Asked about Nissan's announcement of investment in Sunderland, he said the government had a "chaotic" approach on a "factory-by-factor" basis.
And he said Labour would not make "cynical promises" to reduce immigration post Brexit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37782041
So much for the lies from the remain camp we would crash and burn not long after we voted leave the EU. I'm not interested in the stock market as that has become the casino playground for the rich and as for this threat from the banks we are leaving well get on with it. Over ten years I have been hearing this BS from them and they will never leave as the UK regulators are a load of spineless gits on the take.
UKIP says it will be backing Zac Goldsmith in the Richmond Park by-election and will not be fielding a candidate against him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37786753
Is anyone else standing apart from Zac? I have been hearing the Tories and Labour will not field candidates and the LibDems don't know. True to say this is not set in stone yet.
Catfish
10-27-16, 10:07 AM
So much for the lies from the remain camp we would crash and burn not long after we voted leave the EU. I'm not interested in the stock market as that has become the casino playground for the rich and as for this threat from the banks we are leaving well get on with it. Over ten years I have been hearing this BS from them and they will never leave as the UK regulators are a load of spineless gits on the take.
You can calm down, just of all the banks along with the playground for the rich will stay in London, only without Brussels kicking them in the donkey anymore, everytime they do something illegal. :)
Well...we haven't actually left yet...
Skybird
10-27-16, 11:24 AM
^ He is standing as a Independent, question is a Tory Ind? :hmmm:
Time the third runway is built the world's oil will be running low. :haha:
Check out the history of the airport BER Berlin-Brandenburg and learn that German humour beats British one easily. :o
I hear old Tony Blair is leading a rebellion against Brexit! :ping:
Is he planning to take back No.10? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
10-29-16, 10:21 AM
I think it best if Blair remains consigned to the history books.
If he is serious about returning he should start by trying to take over the leadership of the Labour Party first.
I think it best if Blair remains consigned to the history books.
If he is serious about returning he should start by trying to take over the leadership of the Labour Party first.
Too busy making big dinner speeches and raking in the money. :03:
Mr Quatro
10-30-16, 07:35 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/93876b33-0e5b-38a0-872e-1da162eb4028/ss_queen-offers-to-restore.html
In an unexpected televised address on Saturday, Queen Elizabeth II offered to restore British rule over the United States of America. Addressing the American people from her office in Buckingham Palace, the Queen said that she was making the offer “in recognition of the desperate situation you now find yourselves in.” “This two-hundred-and-forty-year experiment in self-rule began with the best of intentions, but I think we can all agree that it didn’t end well,” she said. The Queen urged Americans to write in her name on Election Day, after which the transition to British rule could begin “with a minimum of bother.”
Maybe she will win, uh?
Jimbuna
10-30-16, 11:45 AM
The UK told Nissan it would seek tariff-free access to EU markets for the motor industry as part of Brexit talks, the business secretary has said.
Greg Clark said this statement of the government's objectives had helped persuade Nissan to boost its investment in the UK, securing thousands of jobs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37815864
The first of many such deals/understandings I expect and no doubt the EU leaders will be watching carefully.
Catfish
10-30-16, 12:32 PM
^ yep there will be alot of talk and new negotiations, and maybe the "UK" (or let's better say England will be even better off – i doubt it – Skybird says the sky is falling on the EU – we will see.
What i really find absolutely *lotsofstars* is that because of a gut feeling that is already being considered as wrong even by the probrex voters, decades of trade talks and all the work and hard-accomplished agreements have just been dumped in the litter box.
I wish you luck, because of your decision not only you and Ireland and Scotland, but also the rest of the current EU will need it. :D
Gove doing a spin off Cameron! :doh:
Michael Gove has given rise to debate after he left his son alone in a bed and breakfast for six hours in order to go to a party.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37815355
Come on BossMark we miss your witty sarcastic comments, go for it.
A group of MPs says the government is incorrect to keep claiming it is allocating an extra £10bn to the NHS in England over the next five years.
The Health Committee has written to the chancellor to say using the figure gives the "false impression that the NHS is awash with cash".
The group said the figure was closer to £4.5bn and called for more NHS funding in November's Autumn Statement.
But the government insisted the £10bn figure was accurate.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37801100
The NHS has always been under funded and money has been drained off for flash cars. Its about time it got proper funding and every penny is counted for being spent on what it should be.
Jimbuna
10-31-16, 09:50 AM
Far too many agency staff means the employment agencies rake in a veritable fortune.
Far too many agency staff means the employment agencies rake in a veritable fortune.
And that is another side of the problem which is a little more tricky to deal with.
Jimbuna
11-01-16, 01:05 PM
Hunt does have a five year plan to recruit from within the UK but only time will tell if that tree will bear fruit.
Right, first off the bat let me get this straight out there so we can move on.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
Ok, now that's cleared up.
I must admit I was not expecting the court to rule in that way, and I wouldn't be surprised if the government wins the appeal, but it's interesting to see the Brexiteers upset at the fact that it has been proposed that this decision be given to parliament since they have been campaigning for more Parliamentary Sovereignty. :doh:
Still, with any luck this might well force the government to actually give more details about how it plans to Brexit, especially with things like the Human Rights Act which actually has a no repeal clause in it.
Good to see Boris giving his top notch oratory skills though:
"Brexit means Brexit and we are going to make a Titanic success of it."
https://media.giphy.com/media/af34tVk53Li4E/giphy.gif
Also, Osbournes speech from last nights Spectator awards is definitely worth a read, the guy has a sly sense of humour on the quiet:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/full-text-george-osbornes-parliamentarian-year-speech/
Jimbuna
11-03-16, 08:20 AM
This show hasn't even started to run yet but no doubt it will gather momentum and the media will have their usual field day.
HunterICX
11-03-16, 10:50 AM
^In that case I better get a comfy seat, some snacks and a cold one :D
Jimbuna
11-03-16, 11:25 AM
^ The next episode is the governments appeal :03:
^ The next episode is the governments appeal :03:
If they have any sense (lol) they'd drop the appeal, put it to parliament along with a vote of confidence, if it passes all good, if it doesn't then call elections and win with the Article 50 mandate.
It would be bloody hilarious though if the government took the appeal to the European court though, as is their right. :har:
Skybird
11-03-16, 12:17 PM
Early elections rising over the horizon.
Everybody will be loosing with this ruling. Britain, seing its negotiaton tactics getting compromised and made known to the EU opponent, and the EU for getting a maximum-length negotiation with all the economic costs coming from that lengthy period of uncertainty and unpredictability. Major paymaster for these additional costs: Germany, once again. No other European or Western nation gets affected by Brexit - and the negotations of it - as much, as Germany.
We love you, British High Court. Greetings from Germany, with love. Please book your next holiday somewhwere else, just not in Germany. There are less costly tourists to be had.
Yup, honestly though the whole Brexit thing was a bit of a pipe-dream, you can't just flip a switch and eject, particularly not when the country has spent the last thirty-forty years integrating its industry and economic system to the EU. So this thing is going to take a while, and the fact that the vote was so narrow in its margin means that there is going to be considerable resistance to it, and the fact that the main pro-Brexit group, UKIP is currently undergoing a pretty big collapse that will likely mean that either Farage will become leader (again) or the party will go bankrupt. So that just leaves the Tories and they're not all completely convinced about Brexit, and Labour...well...it's pretty hard to understand Labour at the moment, notionally they should be against Brexit, but Corbyn is pretty anti-EU, however at the same time he's likely to prefer a soft-Brexit. Then there's the SNP who are pretty anti-Brexit. However the Tories have a majority so if the whips do their job and quash the pro-EU section of the Tory party then they could get it through parliament easily enough. :hmmm:
Moonlight
11-03-16, 02:48 PM
^That's how I see it as well, those ministers will be very wary of putting article 50 to the electorate as they have too much to lose.
They don't know how many Brexiteers they've got in their constituency so most of them will be fearful of there seats, and if there's one thing a minister likes its a comfy seat for another 5 years.
What a right mess.
It's good entertainment this whole spinning around the u-bend. :yeah:
Jimbuna
11-04-16, 07:02 AM
What a right mess.
It's good entertainment this whole spinning around the u-bend. :yeah:
Yes, I think we are all in for a long seasons entertainment :yep:
Just keeps your hands off my pension :timeout:
Pro-Brexit Conservative Stephen Phillips has resigned as an MP with immediate effect over "irreconcilable policy differences" with the Government.http://news.sky.com/story/conservative-mp-stephen-phillips-resigns-10644242
As BossMark would say good.
Meanwhile at UKIP another one drops out.
Peter Whittle has become the latest candidate to pull out of the UKIP leadership contest.http://news.sky.com/story/peter-whittle-pulls-out-of-ukip-leadership-contest-10644059
It'll be Farage, just you wait and see, he'll be back. :har:
Jimbuna
11-04-16, 08:11 AM
I suspect you may well be right :)
UKIP isn't a party, it's a cult of personality. :haha:
Not sure about the personality part, but people do say the same thing about the SNP.
Mind you, both UKIP and the SNP are nationalist parties.....
In the meantime: "Former Scottish government minister Alex Neil voted for Brexit" LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37870167).
Shock. Horror. An SNP parliamentarian with his own will. Sturgeon is not pleased!
Mike.:03:
Jimbuna
11-05-16, 09:59 AM
In the meantime: "Former Scottish government minister Alex Neil voted for Brexit" LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37870167).
Shock. Horror. An SNP parliamentarian with his own will. Sturgeon is not pleased!
Mike.:03:
http://i.imgur.com/djfZADe.jpg
Bleh!:Kaleun_Sick:
Mel Gibson has a lot to answer for!
I'm not sure which was the most drivel, "Braveheart" or Liam Neeson in "Rob Roy".....
Anyway, even more shock and horror if your an SNP person - the Tories have won two council by-elections in Wee Eck's own back yard: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-37872929).
Aberdeenshire - Banff and District
Conservatives 1,170 (44.0 per cent, +20.9 on 2012) SNP 962 (36.2 per cent, -19.2) Lib Dems 526 (19.8 per cent, +8.7)
Conservatives gain from the SNP.
Aberdeenshire - Inverurie and District
Conservatives 1,302 (38.8 per cent, +21.4 on 2012) SNP 1,164 (34.6 per cent, -2.5) Lib Dems 755 (22.5 per cent, +5.1) Labour 139 (4.1 per cent, -9.1)
Conservatives gain from the Lib Dems.
As usual for council elections the turn out wasn't brilliant.
Ironically, with the SNP swinging to the left politically to chase after the Glasgow vote, they've begun to alienate their more conservative North-East support. More than a few people in the rural areas up here wouldn't touch Labour with a barge pole due to the "Weegie Mafia" taint that effects them. The Lib Dems aren't strong enough either, so that leaves the Tories. Of course, the SNP mucking up the EU subsidy payments to farmers in Scotland and their pro-EU stance undermining their position in the fishing communities has to be factored in.
There isn't likely to be an earthquake anytime soon, although there are indications that the proposed new Westminster constituency bounderies in Scotland may benefit the Tories to a small extent.:hmmm:
Mike.
Do you think that when Brexit does happen and the farming subsidies are cut or are stopped entirely that the farming community will swing to SNP or will they go down the tubes too quickly for it to matter? I can see the fishing communities staying Tory because they'll be hoping to get less strict quotas, but I don't think that Westminster is going to be able to change much when it comes to fishing based quotas, but they might well be able to exercise greater control of British fishing waters which will please the fishermen...if...of course, we can get the coverage to monitor and patrol it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwZ4LpfWQAAbFLt.jpg
Jimbuna
11-05-16, 11:18 AM
^
^ I suspect we'd need a navy to do that.
^
^ I suspect we'd need a navy to do that.
It's getting there, I mean, we've got two good carriers, some good destroyers and orders down for some new frigates, the Astutes are coming out on time and the Dreadnought has been confirmed. If we can keep both carriers and the F35s turn out alright then we'll have a fairly potent force, if somewhat stretched.
Jimbuna
11-05-16, 11:32 AM
It's getting there, I mean, we've got two good carriers, some good destroyers and orders down for some new frigates, the Astutes are coming out on time and the Dreadnought has been confirmed. If we can keep both carriers and the F35s turn out alright then we'll have a fairly potent force, if somewhat stretched.
True that but what other military areas will suffer financially as a consequence? :hmmm:
True that but what other military areas will suffer financially as a consequence? :hmmm:
That is a good question, I think the RAF has probably been the one to take the most blows, but the army itself has lost a lot in terms of manpower, and has been transformed from a force which is meant to deploy into Europe and fight the Soviets to a rapid reaction force more akin to the deployment to the Falklands in '82. The wars in the Middle East have seen a move away from heavy armour towards IFVs and the airforce is moving from contesting airspace dominance towards policing a dominated airspace. Naturally, now that we've got all this set in motion we're going to stay out of the Middle East and return our attention to the Russian hordes.
What's that saying? Constantly fighting the last war? :ping:
Do you think that when Brexit does happen and the farming subsidies are cut or are stopped entirely that the farming community will swing to SNP or will they go down the tubes too quickly for it to matter? I can see the fishing communities staying Tory because they'll be hoping to get less strict quotas, but I don't think that Westminster is going to be able to change much when it comes to fishing based quotas, but they might well be able to exercise greater control of British fishing waters which will please the fishermen...if...of course, we can get the coverage to monitor and patrol it.
The simplest way to put it would be: the North East of Scotland voted SNP because Glasgow voted Labour. Now that Glasgow is voting for the SNP, the North East will start voting for someone else! It's also a former Unionist stronghold, so swinging back to the Tories is not outwith the realm of fiction.
It's getting there, I mean, we've got two good carriers, some good destroyers and orders down for some new frigates, the Astutes are coming out on time and the Dreadnought has been confirmed. If we can keep both carriers and the F35s turn out alright then we'll have a fairly potent force, if somewhat stretched.
True that but what other military areas will suffer financially as a consequence? :hmmm:
The problem isn't money so much as personnel retention. The services are hemorrhaging people left, right and centre.
Mike.
You do know that you are being invaded or Trojan Horsed ???? Don't you ???
The simplest way to put it would be: the North East of Scotland voted SNP because Glasgow voted Labour. Now that Glasgow is voting for the SNP, the North East will start voting for someone else! It's also a former Unionist stronghold, so swinging back to the Tories is not outwith the realm of fiction.
The problem isn't money so much as personnel retention. The services are hemorrhaging people left, right and centre.
Mike.
Aaaah, the old "You voted for x so we're voting for y" Stubborn thy name is Scotland. :haha: Good point on retention, and I think for the airforce that will slowly become less of a problem with the increase of drone tech and warfare, but for the other branches...problem.
You do know that you are being invaded or Trojan Horsed ???? Don't you ???
Calm down dear, have a cup of tea. :yep:
Jimbuna
11-06-16, 07:00 AM
Calm down dear, have a cup of tea. :yep:
Precisely :yep:
Catfish
11-06-16, 02:00 PM
Anarchy in the UK:
"Calm down dear, have a cup of tea."
"No."
AndyJWest
11-06-16, 04:50 PM
I suspect the invasion may have already started. I keep seeing bright flashes outside, and hearing explosions. I probably have time to fill my thermos flask and check the emergency digestive biscuit stash, but if you don't hear from me again, let history remember that I went down fighting. Or at least, frowning deeply and muttering rude words under my breath. :salute:
I suspect the invasion may have already started. I keep seeing bright flashes outside, and hearing explosions. I probably have time to fill my thermos flask and check the emergency digestive biscuit stash, but if you don't hear from me again, let history remember that I went down fighting. Or at least, frowning deeply and muttering rude words under my breath. :salute:
We shall fight them in the Costas, and in the Lidls, we shall defend our biscuits, we will never surrendah! Even if a judicial court tells us to!
Anarchy in the UK:
"Calm down dear, have a cup of tea."
"No."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zqzJGzE6e4
Meanwhile, I did like Newsnights ending the other day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UP_ryUPFHY
Jimbuna
11-07-16, 01:54 PM
Definitely a part of Thatcher in this lady me thinks :hmmm:
Brexit must happen on time, Theresa May insists.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37890199
Catfish
11-07-16, 02:58 PM
^ to me it looks like she likes to keep all to herself, and make decisions herself, and alone.
Jimbuna
11-07-16, 03:06 PM
^ Can't say either way at the moment.....I'm still trying to work out how she ticks.
So Labour is voting against Article 50, hang on they have changed their minds and now voting for Article 50. Can they please make their minds up and stop pouncing around.
So Labour is voting against Article 50, hang on they have changed their minds and now voting for Article 50. Can they please make their minds up and stop pouncing around.
That'll be the day. Perhaps we can fast forward to a general election so Labour can get a hiding and then reshuffle itself back into something electable? :hmmm:
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the local authority elections next year. Judging from polling, there are early indications that Labour's electoral execution in Scotland will continue. I haven't seen any mention of what might happen in England and Wales yet, though.
If Labour does as poorly south of the border as it's expected to do north of it then "somethng" will have to give. Whether that's Corbyn or party unity remains to be seen.
Mike.
Jimbuna
11-08-16, 10:26 AM
So Labour is voting against Article 50, hang on they have changed their minds and now voting for Article 50. Can they please make their minds up and stop pouncing around.
Yeah, I saw Corbyn on tv the other night stating they would support the government and was surprosed 'Mr Hypocrisy' didn't start bleeding from his eyes.
Well the American vote is a boost for Mrs May, better get the trade team together and visit America.
Catfish
11-09-16, 06:23 AM
Well the American vote is a boost for Mrs May [...].
I do not see why.
Jimbuna
11-09-16, 06:47 AM
Well the American vote is a boost for Mrs May, better get the trade team together and visit America.
Not overly sure I believed what either of them promised but time will tell soon enough.
US President-elect Donald Trump has spoken to UK Prime Minister Theresa May and invited her to Washington.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37941737
Spot of slap and tickle for Mrs May? :03:
As for trade looks like Obama's back of the queue will not be. :03:
Well, I guess it's good news for us since Farage and Trump are so good friends, maybe the Donald can ask Moscow if and when May has an election if Putin can fix it that Nigel can become PM. That'll please a few.
Jimbuna
11-11-16, 08:32 AM
Farage simply can't help himself :)
Farage says Trump should 'schmooze' May but 'don't touch her'
http://news.sky.com/story/farage-says-trump-should-schmooze-may-but-dont-touch-her-10652127
They say Farage wants to apply for a US citizenship and work with Trump as EU Ambassador...
So he wants to become an immigrant... :hmmm:
Jimbuna
11-11-16, 11:28 AM
^ Don't vote, it only encourages them :)
Donald Trump and Conservatives offer no solutions - Corbyn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37956387
Trump aside, I don't see any solutions coming from Corbyn and the corbynites. :doh:
Trump aside, I don't see any solutions coming from Corbyn and the corbynites. :doh:
Quite, now would be a good time for them to go on the offensive with the potential of an early election looming. Of course, that would require more leadership than Corbyn has so far shown himself capable of. :dead:
Jimbuna
11-12-16, 07:59 AM
Interesting to note that he was wearing a red poppy and not a white one whilst giving his speech.
Bloody hypocrite!!
Interesting to note that he was wearing a red poppy and not a white one whilst giving his speech.
Bloody hypocrite!!
I am so glad you said that jim you saved me a trip to the opticians. :)
Jimbuna
11-13-16, 10:36 AM
Pacifists I can understand but definitely never hypocrites.
It's ok, Labour is no longer the opposition any more, apparently the one MP UKIP is:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxIvSnvWgAAkaqE.jpg
Hurrah for the Blackshirts!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxNwv_rXAAAH5u4.jpg:large
Just shoot me now. :nope:
Jimbuna
11-14-16, 03:35 PM
Ed Miliband has rejected calls for another referendum on Britain's EU membership.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37968121
Here's another total and utter failure who doesn't know when it's time to move on.
Speaking of failures:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948
You really couldn't make it up.
Jimbuna
11-15-16, 01:10 PM
As far as I'm aware that report/memo was put together for Cameron before the outcome of the Brexit vote and his decision to abandon ship :hmmm:
Moonlight
11-15-16, 01:27 PM
Here's another total and utter failure who doesn't know when it's time to move on.
^Yes another total and utter political failure, Westminster is bloody full of them, this pillock Cameron knew the writing was on the wall for him after Brexit, he jumped before he was pushed, I would have paid to push him, especially if a high cliff was involved. :D
As far as I'm aware that report/memo was put together for Cameron before the outcome of the Brexit vote and his decision to abandon ship :hmmm:
No wonder he jumped!
It seems that memo comes from a think tank, well I can think up this and that just like everyone else on here and we don't get paid for it.
Jobless rate falls to 4.8% - lowest level since 2005
Figures covering the first three months after the Brexit vote show the unemployment rate falling to its lowest level for 11 years.http://news.sky.com/story/jobless-rate-falls-to-48-lowest-level-since-2005-10659296
Well one figure is due to a person I know who has now been sanctioned for not turning up to a course he was put on for three months. Reason he failed to attend was due too the bus braking down. So he will not be on the figures for a while.
Jimbuna
11-16-16, 10:02 AM
Yeah, I'd like to see the latest unemployment sanctions figures but Nov last year is the latest I can find.
Sanctions can be grossly unfair but sadly, sometimes necessary and warranted.
I'd like to see an independent body responsible for them but that would obviously cost more money than what would be 'saved'.
Jimbuna
11-16-16, 10:04 AM
Theresa May has accused Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn of being "not up to the job" and "incapable of leading".
How could she think such a thing? :o
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38004165
I see that UKIP and its Euro-sceptic allies are making sure not to take or inappropriately spend any of that dirty EU money.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38016829
The EU is bad, terrible, but I'll have some of that free money thank you. :up:
Jimbuna
11-18-16, 10:19 AM
Most likely eventually end up at the door of the European Court of Justice.
Jimbuna
11-18-16, 10:23 AM
Meanwhile.......
A surprise contender for the Christmas number one record is JC for PM for Me, the work of Rob Johnson and the Corbynistas.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38016959
:doh:
Egads...I think I'll stick with Rage Against The Machine.
Silly season has started, thank goodness I will have nothing to do with it.
Jimbuna
11-19-16, 10:45 AM
Egads...I think I'll stick with Rage Against The Machine.
Silly season has started, thank goodness I will have nothing to do with it.
Most fitting :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxtckh1WQAA5sgA.jpg
:k_confused::k_confused::k_confused::k_confused:
Diane James has decided to quit her role as UKIP leader even more strongly by quitting the entire party.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38057251
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lZCPcaAV--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18s8qh8utjx9qgif.gif
Jimbuna
11-21-16, 03:29 PM
Organised chaos would be a polite descriptive term for what UKIP are demonstrating atm.
Jimbuna
11-21-16, 03:41 PM
Speaking at the CBI conference, Mrs May promised early agreement on the status of UK nationals in Europe and EU nationals in the UK.
And a whole lot more besides.
"People don't want a cliff-edge; they want to know with some certainty how things are going to go," she said.
Most definitely.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38044015
Jimbuna
11-23-16, 09:03 AM
Apart from the raising of the National Minimum Wage from £7.20 to £7.5 next April I thought the autumn statement was pretty much a 'non-event'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38068358
Jimbuna
11-23-16, 10:10 AM
Thomas Mair has been jailed for life (a wqhole life term) after being found guilty of the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox.
Tis a crying shame the death penalty isn't available for such crimes when the guilt of someone is beyond any and all doubt.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38079594
Apart from the raising of the National Minimum Wage from £7.20 to £7.5 next April I thought the autumn statement was pretty much a 'non-event'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38068358
Missed it, got better things to do that watch that waffle. Always takes a few more days for the experts to crunch the numbers.
Thomas Mair has been jailed for life (a wqhole life term) after being found guilty of the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox.
Tis a crying shame the death penalty isn't available for such crimes when the guilt of someone is beyond any and all doubt.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38079594
Scum like that should be strung up but as we have no capital punishment I hope he rots in prison.
On a lighter note about Trumps tweet about Farage, the amount of *jerks* getting hot under the coller about nothing clearly need to lay off the strong coffee for a while. :03:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyCdDKmWgAAeOaW.jpg
:har::har::har: :up:
^ I suggest to this twit get a life!
Jimbuna
11-25-16, 07:59 AM
^
^ :)
ROFL, just saw this comment on twitter:
"How many drafts into the Castro statement do you think the Labour press office are?"
:har::har::har::har:
I wouldn't laugh too much.:hmmm:
The Unite branch office in Aberdeen had/has a large Cuban flag in it's main meeting room. I wonder if they're thinking of putting it at "half-mast" or something similar.
Mike.
Jimbuna
11-26-16, 08:33 AM
http://i.imgur.com/br6obje.jpg
:har:
Shouldn't have a crown on it though, most "real" lefties tend to be republicans.
A Cromwellian harp might have been better.
Mike.
Jimbuna
11-26-16, 10:58 AM
Or this one perhaps...
http://i.imgur.com/NH3Vb3q.jpg
:haha:
Fidel Castro: Jeremy Corbyn praises 'huge figure': LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38117068). Hardly news, that one. Nor altogether unsurprising for Corbyn and the "true believers" that run both Labour and the Unions.
Mike.
Jimbuna
11-27-16, 10:15 AM
Corbyn obviously doesn't know a great deal about human rights I suspect :hmmm:
If at first you don't succeed, elect, elect, elect again.
Paul Nuttall takes charge of UKIP for this week.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38125432
Meanwhile, Farage complains about a pay rise for 'European autocrats' while taking a Brussels pay cheque last month for €8,000. He didn't speak once at European Parliament.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKEsyIuTrO8
Skybird
11-28-16, 09:44 AM
Corbyn obviously doesn't know a great deal about human rights I suspect :hmmm:
He most likely does. He just does not care. Ideology before humanity, you know.
If they decide to then UKIP, assuming they get their act together, could slot into the space vacated by Labour in traditional working class areas in the Midlands and North of England. Just as the SNP have done in Scotland.
It all depends on what course they take from now on.:hmmm:
Mike.
It's possible, Nuttall does seem to have the Farage seal of approval so he'll probably be able to get the party in line, and the debate over what kind of Brexit the country will take means that UKIP can find a niche to slip into, and then like you say, take the ground that Labour has abandoned under Corbyn.
Indeed.
However, if Nuttal starts going "England Stronk" in the same way that Sturgeon and the SNP go "Scotland Stronk" then it could lead to further constitutional instability.
The UK was very finely balanced before Labour brought in devolution for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. It's now seriously out of whack.
The lack of any real push by both major parties for a settlement for England can give UKIP another weapon in it's arsenal. Nuttal has already proposed that the non-English MP's be removed from the Commons, thus making it the English Parliament. How things develop from that point depends on what arrangements he thinks will work for a Pan-UK assembly. Financial arrangements in particular need to be clarified, for starters.
The SNP, Plaid Cymru, the DUP, UUP, SDLP and Sinn Fein will no doubt have differing opinions from UKIP on the matter.
Mike.:hmmm:
Jimbuna
11-28-16, 05:00 PM
UK-Polish ties to be 'stronger' after Brexit insists May
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38129171
I doubt that very much. Poland is a huge recipient of EU money and will toe the line when told to.
Something of a gross simplification Jim. Remember what forms the current Polish government: LINK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_Justice).
Just because Poland is a net receiver doesn't mean to say that this lot will kowtow to Brussels in all things. They'll look out for what they believe to be in Poland's interests first. If the EU aren't happy about that then I think the Law and Justice Party won't shed any tears for them.
Mike.
Jimbuna
11-29-16, 02:14 PM
That is a possibility Mike but at the end of the day I believe that he who pays the piper calls the tune.
Poland must be feeling a lot more secure being a member of the EU as opposed to being a sole/individual entity so close to Russia (in geographical terms).
Very true, but it all depends on how united the EU remains in future considering current trends. Populism isn't just restricted to the UK or the US as we both know.
It's in Brussel's interest to be harsh on the UK during any BrExit negotiations in order to discourage any further discontent. That also runs the risk of actually encouraging said discontent if they are too harsh. It's not as if the EU is universally beloved, but at the same time fear of the unknown can lead to people choosing the least worst option if forced into a binary choice.
The same applies within the UK as well. :03: Regardless of all the noise Sturgeon's made in Dublin today, there's a limit as to what she and the Scottish Government can achieve due to the fact that they're a regional administration, not a national one. They do have a mandate to protect Scotland's interests, but the Tories have a mandate to look out for the UK's as whole. As can be seen, the two don't always coincide. The delicate part is managing things in a way that the losing party (which will be Scotland ultimately) doesn't have it's interests completely overriden as that would increase resentment against the central government. You can imagine how the SNP would run with that! But, they come up against the "what's the least worse option" issue in any future IndyRef. I'll be blunt here - looking at the last two referendum results I'd say we Scots are generally more risk averse than our English fellow UK citizens. That could be a cultural hangover from the days when the harsh presbyteriansim of the Church of Scotland was all dominant. That Scotland generally lags behind England when it comes to entrepreneurialism and general economic output could be a sympton of the the deadening effect of religous conformity, too.:hmmm:
Ultimately the best way to deal with the "Scottish Question" would be a greater degree of fiscal autonomy but, as I've alluded to before, it's isn't in the Unionist camp's interests for that to happen. As far as they're concerned, it's better for Scotland to be dependant on the rest of the UK rather than give Scotland the chance to fully pull it's weight as that runs the risk of giving the independence camp a major boost. The catch is that that causes resentment elsewhere in the UK and also within Scotland as well. The extra knotty problem would be how any extra devolution for Scotland would go down in the rest of the UK.
It's catch 22.:doh:
Mike.
Benefit sanctions leading to "hardship, hunger and depression" are being imposed on people despite "limited evidence" on how well they work, the National Audit Office says.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38152401
Surly simple tests like turn up to the JC everyday at 9am would be a start in separating those who want to find work from those who just don't care. Those who don't care will never be on time but to be fair allow one excuse.
Another way to find out is to ask employers did they turn up for the interview did they dress right and did they show interest in the job and of course conduct themselves in the manor they should. Those who don't care never make any effort.
And get their side of the fence sorted out as well, when I was placed on the work programme back in 2011/12 I was told I would receive maximum one to one help and did I? Did I heck, the whole thing was a wast of time for me and many others and yet the company I was sent to clearly did well rolling in money.
Its a two way door that has faults and what makes me sick is on their side of the desk they are faultless, what a load of tosh.
Jimbuna
12-01-16, 11:23 AM
^ I tend to agree....all the power/decision making is on one side only.
Richmond Park by-election
Well first of all well done to Zac Goldsmith going though with his threat he would resign his seat if Heathrow was green lighted but I feel he should never had stood again and called it a day, after all he is loaded with pots of money.
Yes a good result for the LibDems but will they hold the seat with just under 2,000 majority in 2020? As for the great labour revival looks like it's still in intensive care trying to convince itself all is well again.
Can the LibDems pull off a double on Dec 8th Sleaford and North Hykeham by-election where the Tories are sitting on a even bigger majority?
Sarah Olney Dragged Off Air By PR During Julia Hartley-Brewer Interview | talkRADIO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DHqFikHoA
Well if she conducts herself like a dish mop then there is no hope in holding the seat in 2020.
Heh, nah, the Lib Dems are toast for at least a decade or two. The only reason they did well here is because the Tories and UKIP didn't bother to field a candidate.
Sleaford and North Hykeham by-election candidates -
Official Monster Raving Loony Party
UKIP
Bus Pass Elvis Party
Labour
Conservatives
Lincolnshire Independents
LibDems
Independent
And two others classed as No label
Conservative Majority 24,115 at the 2015 general election
Jimbuna
12-03-16, 08:44 AM
Heh, nah, the Lib Dems are toast for at least a decade or two. The only reason they did well here is because the Tories and UKIP didn't bother to field a candidate.
Rgr that :yep:
Was listening to the radio last night and they really didn't think through the 'English Votes for English Laws' movements abbreviation, did they? :hmmm: :har:
Was listening to the radio last night and they really didn't think through the 'English Votes for English Laws' movements abbreviation, did they? :hmmm: :har:
It's been the butt of more than a few jokes up here.:03:
Easiest way around the West Lothian Question is full federalisation with devolved parliaments for each home nation (plus London, since it has it's own assembly - West Ham Question anyone?) with Westminster reduced drastically in size and scope.
Simples.
Although maybe a bit too simple, since it hasn't happened yet.
Mike.
The simpliest plans are often the last to be implemented.
Still, I do wonder how much extra bureaucracy it will create in an already fairly heavily overloaded system, and to be honest, right now, I think we need to Scots around to stop our parliament doing something stupid. :yep:
Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales already have that additional layer of bureaucracy with the devolved assemblies. It's part of the price to be paid for devolution - England shouldn't be any different in that regard if it wants greater control over it's own affairs.
Either way, it's better than trying to hijack what are British institutions and turn them into English ones, which is what EVEL is. Westminster may have been the location of the English Parliament prior to 1707, but it holds the British one now. If England were to have it's own parliament, which no-one in Scotland would object to, it would be better placed somewhere other than London, TBH. But that would be up to the people of England, assuming they're ever asked the question in the first place.
As for Scotland acting as a brake on the Tories that would require people up here to vote for them in large numbers. A phalanx of Scottish Tory MP's would certainly timmer them up! But thats not likely to happen anytime soon - the Tories up here are Unionists first and foremost as opposed to many English Tories who are Conservatives first and Unionists second so you have a conflict straight away.
Mike.
Jimbuna
12-04-16, 11:51 AM
http://i.imgur.com/swiEAim.jpg
Jimbuna
12-05-16, 03:50 PM
Round 1
The government has urged the Supreme Court to make a decision the "ordinary man and woman" would understand in the landmark legal challenge over Brexit.
Government lawyer James Eadie QC said ministers could trigger Brexit and that there was no basis for Parliament to get the final say.
He faced a grilling from the 11 Supreme Court justices as he set out his case.
The government is appealing after last month's High Court ruling that MPs must be consulted before triggering Brexit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38200115
I hope by the end of this carry on that the British public actually have a proper understanding of how the democratic process in this country actually works.
Something everyone should be taught at school.
Mike.
Scottish Conservative Leader Ruth Davidson "warns against 'divisive Brexit'": LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38207728).
Fair bit of sense in that one. Part of the reason why she's doing so well up here despite a lack of solid policy.
Debating dualism: the Article 50 court case (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38210559) by Brian Taylor, BBC Scotland's Political Editor.
Brexit: The business view from Brussels (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38205711) by Douglas Fraser, BBC Scotland's Business/Economy Editor.
Borders and Brexit: What can Scotland learn from the Irish frontier? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38185115) by David Allison.
If this is what we're getting from the BBC in Scotland, what sort of coverage are the regional news teams in England giving their viewer? I hope it's at the same level.:hmmm:
Mike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DHqFikHoA
Well if she conducts herself like a dish mop then there is no hope in holding the seat in 2020.
Fancy waking up and seeing that the first thing in the morning!
Jimbuna
12-06-16, 03:39 PM
I hope by the end of this carry on that the British public actually have a proper understanding of how the democratic process in this country actually works.
Something everyone should be taught at school.
Mike.
Hopefully the former will in fact be the case seeing as how it is all being broadcast live :o
I hope by the end of this carry on that the British public actually have a proper understanding of how the democratic process in this country actually works.
Something everyone should be taught at school.
Mike.
As if...:haha:
Just like the banking racket as if....:har:
The only winners of this Brexit mess will be the lawyers making millions of pounds and do they support staying in or leaving?
No they worship money!
http://rs42.pbsrc.com/albums/e322/patisblog/notworthysmiley.gif~c200
Hard brexit soft brexit and now blue red white brexit, what next? Mushy peas and pie brexit!
Public: Well, what've you got?
May: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and Brexit; egg bacon and Brexit; egg bacon sausage and Brexit; Brexit bacon sausage and Brexit; Brexit egg Brexit Brexit bacon and Brexit; Brexit sausage Brexit Brexit bacon Brexit tomato and Brexit;
UKIP: (starting to chant) Brexit Brexit Brexit Brexit...
May: ...Brexit Brexit Brexit egg and Brexit; Brexit Brexit Brexit Brexit Brexit Brexit baked beans Brexit Brexit Brexit...
UKIP: (singing) Brexit! Lovely Brexit! Lovely Brexit!
May: ...or Lobster Thermidor au Crevette with a Mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and Brexit.
Debating dualism: the Article 50 court case (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38210559) by Brian Taylor, BBC Scotland's Political Editor.
Brexit: The business view from Brussels (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38205711) by Douglas Fraser, BBC Scotland's Business/Economy Editor.
Borders and Brexit: What can Scotland learn from the Irish frontier? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38185115) by David Allison.
If this is what we're getting from the BBC in Scotland, what sort of coverage are the regional news teams in England giving their viewer? I hope it's at the same level.:hmmm:
Since no one's replied to this point I'll take that as a no. That's the BBC's news teams in England not doing their job to educate and inform, then. :hmmm:
Mike.
Boris has opened his mouth and put his foot in it...but, got to admit in this case he's not wrong...it's just, Boris...you don't slag off allies, even if they're useless ones.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38245902
Jimbuna
12-08-16, 08:31 AM
I can't see Boris in any other way than being a ticking time-bomb, an individual who I should imagine is seen as being nothing more than a laughing stock in the eyes of other governments.
I'm also at a loss as to why Theresa May has given him such a high profile cabinet position.
Surely his popularity within the party doesn't warrant the prominence he is being given :hmmm:
Apparently a source in the cabinet has said that Boris is 'on his last life', so unless he finds an extra life somewhere he might well outstay his welcome.
Could well be that May decided to put him somewhere where he can screw things up so he can hang himself and save her the trouble of having to build him a gallows.
Catfish
12-08-16, 02:00 PM
[...] I'm also at a loss as to why Theresa May has given him such a high profile cabinet position. [...]
Revenge... you wanted Brexit, now you negotiate :)
Another one from Brian Taylor after SLab Leader Kezia Dugdale's latest constitutional brainwave (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38223719);
Labouring over the 'Scottish Question' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38239437)
At the end of the day, it was Labour who implemented devolution and arguably it's up to them to try and fix the current lopsided mess.
Not that anyone will actually give them much of a chance, nor will they get much help from the Tories.:hmmm:
I forgot to mention earlier that what we're getting from BBC Scotland is in addition to what the main news bulletins are giving the rest of the UK. Despite plans for an hour long "Scottish Six" from the BBC, we do still get the same main programs as everyone else. So everything I've posted is effectively extra content.
Mike.
Sleaford and North Hykeham by-election
So the Tories hold on with a reduced majority but once again we see the looser Labour slipping from 2nd place in 2015 to 4th place behind UKIP and the LibDems. Next years local elections will be one to watch.
http://news.sky.com/story/conservatives-hold-sleaford-and-north-hykeham-in-by-election-10688592
Jimbuna
12-09-16, 10:47 AM
Revenge... you wanted Brexit, now you negotiate :)
Yes, there is always that possibility :)
Sleaford and North Hykeham by-election
So the Tories hold on with a reduced majority but once again we see the looser Labour slipping from 2nd place in 2015 to 4th place behind UKIP and the LibDems. Next years local elections will be one to watch.
http://news.sky.com/story/conservatives-hold-sleaford-and-north-hykeham-in-by-election-10688592
Jeremy must currently be thinking he is out of the woods but come the next round of elections I suspect he will find his 'popularity' becomes an even bigger burdon.
Yes, there is always that possibility :)
Jeremy must currently be thinking he is out of the woods but come the next round of elections I suspect he will find his 'popularity' becomes an even bigger burdon.
Being so called popular will not get you in power alone you need to show you are up to the job. Yes old so called film star Jeremy and the corbinites are in for a rude awakening.
Jimbuna
12-10-16, 08:45 AM
Being so called popular will not get you in power alone you need to show you are up to the job. Yes old so called film star Jeremy and the corbinites are in for a rude awakening.
I'm not so sure governing the country is currently considered a realist objective by them.
There first objective was to gain control of a major political party with which to garner the sounding board for publicity at a national level and to that end they are becoming increasingly successful.
After that, government?
Only time will tell.
TFW you forget to carry the zero:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzD-TjEWgAAPV2L.jpg
http://www.cityam.com/255139/ons-revises-down-uk-current-account-deficit-after-admitting
Skybird
12-10-16, 07:05 PM
May could not just ignore Johnson, he would have not sat silent, but would have interfered with ambush sniping and ricochets. Before she can sort him out once and forever, she needs to complete the task of deconstructing him by leaving him the opportunity to deconstruct himself while he still cannot doo too much harm. Once has copmpleted ther task, he thaen can be puit aside safely and cannot become a dnager that easily again. But to get there, he has to fail not as a meaningless backseater, but in a responisble position.
Maybe May has heared of Patton: if you see Johnson making mistakes, do not interrupt him.
Before May can "kill" Johnson, she has to ruin his reputation - the remains of it - completely. So far, he complies marvellously.
Question is if May even will last until article 50 gets called.
If it ever gets called.
Too bad that the old TV-series "Yes Minister" is no longer produced. Their screenplay writers would have had party days with the current situation.
Catfish
12-11-16, 06:10 AM
^ "Yes minister", the elected politicians have not much to say, are only there for a few years and are being held back by the forever employees, while government takes place elsewhere and the house of commons is just a theatrical stage to give the public the runaround.
Like.. everywhere. :)
Jimbuna
12-11-16, 10:27 AM
Corbyns initial reaction/expression was priceless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0zXe4RALLA
Catfish
12-11-16, 02:32 PM
^ "Video is private" (?)
Well found it .. but what could just of all the Labour party have done anyway? Ask questions? Threaten with endless debates? What did the acting government do?
Hey Jim was that the one on the news last week about those Syrian protesters interrupting old JC's speech?
If so the person who uploaded it to YouTube and made it private what a plonker as Del Boy would say, it was all over the news. :haha:
Jimbuna
12-12-16, 09:15 AM
Strange, the link plays for me :hmmm:
@STEED, try this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8rrMzQcsos
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has chosen a white dove on a red background as the design for his official Christmas card.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38286790
Meanwhile in the Tory party Trouser Gate warms up.
Former education secretary Nicky Morgan questioned the PM's trouser choice
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38287637
How will old JC top this silly one? :03:
Brexit may take longer than two years to finalise, Hammond warns
The Chancellor suggests a transitional arrangement may be needed to prevent a sudden "cliff edge" change in trade across Europe.http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-may-take-longer-than-two-years-to-finalise-hammond-warns-10694009
It has been a mess staying in now a mess we are leaving. Time we sacked all these politicians as clearly they are all a shower.
http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/oxygen-icons.org/oxygen/256/Status-weather-showers-scattered-icon.png
Jimbuna
12-13-16, 02:10 PM
Carwyn Jones: Jeremy Corbyn needs plan for UK government
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38300908
Truer words he'll probably never speak :hmmm:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38300908
Truer words he'll probably never speak :hmmm:
https://memecrunch.com/meme/BN2DB/jc/image.jpg?w=400&c=1
https://memecrunch.com/meme/BN2DJ/j/image.jpg?w=620&c=1
Russia at it again!
Labour MP claims Russia interfered with the EU referendum
http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/13/labour-mp-claims-russia-interfered-with-the-eu-referendum-6320811/
Catfish
12-13-16, 03:17 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38300908
Truer words he'll probably never speak :hmmm:
Very good article regarding fake news in the (a)social media and what it is able to 'accomplish'. Nowadays a lot of people get their news and knowledge out of social media instead of school or books, and their mindset seems to be formed by believing a lot of this nonsense.
I am not a fan of facebook or twitter, the amount of sheer hate going on there is unbelievable, unless you sort out your friends and suppress all else what is going on there with various filters, so that all is echoing your opinion. Most hate stuff is being based on claims without evidence and sheer lies. And we know that the right and populistic branch has been very quick in adapting and using it.
In Germany, the "word of the year" is "postfactual", simply meaning that the truth has no chance against lies spread over the social media any more. The one who cries loudest is in possession of "the truth".
Jimbuna
12-13-16, 05:06 PM
Very good article regarding fake news in the (a)social media and what it is able to 'accomplish'. Nowadays a lot of people get their news and knowledge out of social media instead of school or books, and their mindset seems to be formed by believing a lot of this nonsense.
I am not a fan of facebook or twitter, the amount of sheer hate going on there is unbelievable, unless you sort out your friends and suppress all else what is going on there with various filters, so that all is echoing your opinion. Most hate stuff is being based on claims without evidence and sheer lies. And we know that the right and populistic branch has been very quick in adapting and using it.
In Germany, the "word of the year" is "postfactual", simply meaning that the truth has no chance against lies spread over the social media any more. The one who cries loudest is in possession of "the truth".
I'm no big fan of social media either. I have a FB account purely for contact with close family plus those relatives living in Australia and New Zealand plus a small handful of valued friends.
My kids believe their dad to be 'anti-social' :)
I hear on the radio old JC is going to have a make over in 2017, spot of cosmetic surgery? :03:
Government considering oath of allegiance to British values
Every public office-holder may have to swear an oath of allegiance to British values, Communities Secretary Sajid Javid has indicated.
The pledge would be expected to cover elected officials, civil servants and council workers.
http://news.sky.com/story/government-considering-oath-of-allegiance-to-british-values-10700912
I don't know what to make of this and yet I feel it will be another bodge job by the government if this goes ahead.
Tolerance, eh?
That'll be the day.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/16/12/3559398900000578-0-image-a-1_1466076152222.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02628/tory-van-620_2628143b.jpg
The British oath..
I swear to eat fish and chips once a month and drink British Ale while eating pie and mash. On Sunday afternoons I will eat crumpets at 4pm and settle back for sport highlights.
I swear to carry out my duty and cast my vote when the time comes and watch PMQ's live on SKY News and most of all have a dam good moan about the British weather.
Every Xmas I will write a letter of complaint to the BBC about their bloody awful rubbish on TV over Xmas and why should I pay for it.
And finally don't let the B'stards grind me down I'm British and proud of it.
Now is the winter of our discontent 2.
Striking railworkers, post office employees and airline staff are showing "shared contempt" for "ordinary people", Downing Street has said.http://news.sky.com/story/no-10-says-striking-workers-are-showing-contempt-for-ordinary-people-10702378
Weetabix workers vote to go on strike in dispute over shiftshttp://news.sky.com/story/weetabix-workers-vote-to-go-on-strike-in-dispute-over-shifts-10702343
Jimbuna
12-20-16, 06:35 AM
I can only see the multiple threats of industrial action adding weight to those in government who want to see tougher anti trade union legislation passed.
I can only see the multiple threats of industrial action adding weight to those in government who want to see tougher anti trade union legislation passed.
I don't know if all these strikes are linked together or not but if there are more strikes from other areas of employment could result in as you say jim.
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