View Full Version : UK Politics Thread
Pressure grows on Speaker John Bercow over new EU vote commentshttp://news.sky.com/story/renewed-pressure-on-speaker-john-bercow-as-pro-remain-speech-emerges-10767113
Seems to gone dead on the TV news. :hmmm:
Anyway PMQ's tomorrow to look forward to.
Jimbuna
02-15-17, 07:58 AM
Anyway PMQ's tomorrow to look forward to.
Afraid not, next Wednesday 22nd are the next one.
Afraid not, next Wednesday 22nd are the next one.
Lazy dogs snorting funny white powder and boozing their brains out how dare they! Get back to work you slobs, you work for us the voter! :stare:
Tony Blair accused of 'arrogance' over call to 'rise up' against Brexit
The former PM is attacked after saying pro-Europeans should "rise up" and persuade opponents they were wrong about Brexit.http://news.sky.com/story/tony-blair-tells-remainers-to-rise-up-as-he-denies-responsibility-for-brexit-10771251
For crying out loud shut your bloody gob and sod off will you. No one likes you money grabbing git!
Catfish
02-17-17, 04:24 PM
" The former PM is attacked after saying pro-Europeans should "rise up" and persuade opponents they were wrong about Brexit. "
"For crying out loud shut your bloody gob and sod off will you. No one likes you money grabbing git! "
Does not mean he's wrong though.
"The Brexiteers' idea that the EU would bend over to accommodate every possible desire of the UK just because Germany wants to keep selling BMWs in Britain was ludicrous from the start. Nobody is interested in a trade war, but British PM May has already stated that anything but a "hard Brexit" is absolutely unrealistic to expect. And even then it's going to require a hell of a lot of goodwill from everybody at the table to make even that work."
It's more about that git trying it on and not for the first time he has tried that since running off knowing full well the crash was on the way.
UPDATED TODAY BELOW
Listening to a few radio call in stations and 99% of the callers are sick to death with Blair and not all those callers voted leave, plenty of remain voters put the boot in on Blair. One caller said..Oh so its not on we protest about the Iraq war when he was PM but now its ok for Blair to demand a riot against democracy..That was a remain voter.
Even the 1% only agreed to a point and most of them rather see Blair go away.
Who is looking forwar to next Friday as the results of the by-elections in Copeland and Stoke-on-Trent Central will bw known? I am, that is for sure.
Funny there seems to be very little courage in the media on these two by-elections. :hmmm:
Yeah, Blair really should just keep quiet, he's about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool in British politics, and as for the whole 'uprising making the government listen', well it sure made his government listen when the biggest protest in UK history marched against the Iraq war, eh? :03:
That being said, his attempt to be a rallying point for the 48% is a bit admirable, but just the wrong guy for it.
Jeremy Corbyn hit by new turmoil as top aide Simon Fletcher quits over Labour's lack of directionhttp://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-hit-by-new-turmoil-as-top-aide-quits-over-labours-lack-of-direction-a3469616.html
I never knew they had a lack of direction, I was understanding they had no direction.
Jimbuna
02-18-17, 09:53 AM
Yeah, Blair really should just keep quiet, he's about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool in British politics, and as for the whole 'uprising making the government listen', well it sure made his government listen when the biggest protest in UK history marched against the Iraq war, eh? :03:
That being said, his attempt to be a rallying point for the 48% is a bit admirable, but just the wrong guy for it.
Agreed :yep:
This could put a spanner in the works for UKIP at the Stoke Central by-election.
UKIP officials quit party because of 'crass insensitivity' over Hillsborough
The pair say recent remarks from party figures about the 1989 tragedy have been "upsetting and intolerable" for victims' families.http://news.sky.com/story/ukip-officials-quit-party-because-of-crass-insensitivity-over-hillsborough-10775207
I have been hearing if Nuttall looses which looks like a seat up for grabs big time and should fall to UKIP remains in Labours hands he could be forced out as UKIP leader. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
02-20-17, 12:45 PM
Nuttall has apologised but I doubt that will be the end of the matter, especially after donor Arron Banks later tweeted he was "sick to death" of hearing about Hillsborough.
Nuttall has apologised but I doubt that will be the end of the matter, especially after donor Arron Banks later tweeted he was "sick to death" of hearing about Hillsborough.
Yes I think they will dig their claws deeper into UKIP, depending how much and how will the media pick up on it as well.
Jimbuna
02-21-17, 06:27 AM
I reckon the press are witing with baited breath to have a right old pop at Jeremy and his circus.
Moonlight
02-22-17, 07:05 AM
The Tory plot to oust Commons Speaker John Bercow has failed miserably, Just five MPs backed a no confidence motion targeted at the Speaker.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-plot-oust-commons-speaker-9862770
"Conservative former minister James Duddridge, who tabled the no confidence motion, admitted it had attracted “underwhelming support”. But he insisted the issue was “unresolved” and should be debated and voted on".
These bloody idiots have too much time on their hands, those 5 MPs should all resign immediately and get a bleeding proper job, a job that involves doing some actual work instead of poncing off the taxpayer for doing nothing.
Jimbuna
02-22-17, 09:02 AM
It looks like the PM is giving in to pressure over the ridiculous rise in business rates....and so she should.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39053758
The Tory plot to oust Commons Speaker John Bercow has failed miserably, Just five MPs backed a no confidence motion targeted at the Speaker.
Knew it would, after the bluster it all died off and set sail in to the night.
OK today's PMQ's scorecard..
May 2 Corbyn 1
Old JC did rattle PM May on the NHS and span it round to another issue on the NHS but once again PM May hit back right at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDqFG6z7Eds
It looks like the PM is giving in to pressure over the ridiculous rise in business rates....and so she should.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39053758
Copying the SNP then - the Nats did that yesterday during the Scottish budget vote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39034966
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39043762
Mike.:hmmm:
Both Stoke-on-Trent Central and Copeland will go to the polls on Thursday 23 February....
Betting odds currently have Theresa May's Conservative Party as the favourite to take Copeland, while Labour is currently the most likely choice in Stoke-on-Trent Central....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/16/stoke-on-trent-central-copeland-by-election-polls-odds-will/
Looks like it maybe just a single blow to JC and not a double blow.
The Tories believe they will push UKIP into third place in the Stoke by-electionhttp://uk.businessinsider.com/conservatives-labour-biggest-threat-in-stoke-by-election-not-ukip-2017-2
That would be a set back for UKIP. :hmmm:
I see that Putin has switched from backing UKIP to backing Labour. So at least we know that they'll win the next election. :yep:
I see that Putin has switched from backing UKIP to backing Labour. So at least we know that they'll win the next election. :yep:
And on that I am off out down to my local bookies and place my £1 bet. Come the 2020 general election results I will rolling in so much money I may buy London back off the Arabs. :DL
Voting begins in Stoke and Copeland by-elections
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39057362
I think the Tories will take Copeland and Labour will hang on to Stoke. As for UKIP they may loose votes in Stoke and even come third after the Facebook mess. As for Copeland possible third there as well.
Jimbuna
02-23-17, 08:42 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39057362
I think the Tories will take Copeland and Labour will hang on to Stoke. As for UKIP they may loose votes in Stoke and even come third after the Facebook mess. As for Copeland possible third there as well.
You may well be right :yep:
First of all what was that rubbish spouted by old JC about a defiant victory in Stoke-on -Trent! :doh:
2015 General Election
Tristram Hunt 12,220
2017 By-Election
Gareth Snell 7,853
Labour down 2%
Pension off that stupid fart JC now!
BTW: You stupid old fart that seat will be no more in 2020, a empty victory.
MP John Woodcock said the party was facing an "historic and catastrophic" defeat at the next general election.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39075061
Clearly some one can see what is coming in 2020.
As for Copeland well the Tories are happy about taking that former Labour seat.
Jimbuna
02-24-17, 07:11 AM
The Tory victory was the first by-election gain by a governing party since 1982, which speaks volumes for the mess JC and his circus are in but total denial will only eventually lead to the possible death of the Labour Party.
The Tory victory was the first by-election gain by a governing party since 1982, which speaks volumes for the mess JC and his circus are in but total denial will only eventually lead to the possible death of the Labour Party.
JC and his twits are hell bent on the destruction of the labour party.
What baffles me is why May doesn't hold a general election before 2020, it's obvious she'd win a landslide.
What baffles me is why May doesn't hold a general election before 2020, it's obvious she'd win a landslide.
Why rush when May knows she can rub JC's nose in the dirt and slap him down at PMQ's.
Jimbuna
02-25-17, 09:38 AM
What baffles me is why May doesn't hold a general election before 2020, it's obvious she'd win a landslide.
No need till after BREXIT really....I'm sure she's grateful to Jeremy for sticking around therefore ensuring there is no credible opposition to the plans her government are intent on seeing through.
No need till after BREXIT really....I'm sure she's grateful to Jeremy for sticking around therefore ensuring there is no credible opposition to the plans her government are intent on seeing through.
True, true. I guess she's pretty well cemented in already, and her manifesto seems to be the same as Daves so there is no real need.
Jeremy Corbyn vows to stay on and 'turn back Tory tide'http://www.itv.com/news/2017-02-25/jeremy-corbyn-vows-to-stay-on-and-turn-back-tory-tide/
Another corker from Jeremy cuckoo Corbyn.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4vh1rKMikhw/U8OKpIDIq8I/AAAAAAAAArE/lNR4mif-BZQ/w640-h400-p-k/smiley-laughing-and-pointing%255B1%255D.png
Cuckoo Corbyn! :har: Love it. :up:
Cuckoo Corbyn! :har: Love it. :up:
Look great on a T-Shirt that would. :DL
Jimbuna
02-26-17, 08:37 AM
http://i.imgur.com/RshsSof.png
David Miliband: Labour at its weakest for 50 years under Corbyn
The former foreign secretary adds more pressure on Jeremy Corbyn by saying the party has hit a half-century low.http://news.sky.com/story/david-miliband-labour-at-its-weakest-for-50-years-under-corbyn-10780822
Would David Miliband come back before 2020 I don't think he would so what about after 2020 general election? I have a feeling he may but not as leader, more likely in the role of trying to repair the massive damage after the election and utter mess the party is in. But then again he may just wash his hands of it all by making one last stinging comment after the 2020 election.
Sir Gerald Kaufman, Labour MP for Manchester Gorton and Father of the House of Commons, has died aged 86.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39099489
One of Labours better MP's.
Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell says "a soft coup" has been launched against Jeremy Corbyn by "elements in the Labour Party".http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39102703
"the plotters" were using "an exceptionally well resourced dark arts operation" to "destroy Jeremy Corbyn" What a load of rubbish, Cuckoo Corbyn is doing a bang up job in destroying the labour party.
https://img.rt.com/files/2016.04/original/5703c768c46188510d8b45a0.jpg
Don't look at me I am far to busy fixing the German French and Netherlands elections.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiVvM74W0AATNvB.jpgJeremy Corbyn warming up for this weeks PMQ's
Bilge_Rat
02-27-17, 11:17 AM
shocking!
Woman deported from UK despite being married to Briton for 27 years
Irene Clennell, who has children and a grandchild in the UK, lost indefinite leave to remain after spending time in Singapore caring for parents
A woman living in the UK who has been married to a British man for 27 years has been forcibly removed from the country.
Irene Clennell, who made headlines when she was placed in immigration detention, was deported to Singapore on Sunday.
Clennell first arrived in London in 1988 and married John, a British man, two years later. They settled in County Durham and had two children together. She now has one grandchild.
Her sister-in-law Angela confirmed Clennell had been deported. She said she had been subject to “insensitive and unfair government rules” and that Irene’s husband, her brother, was seriously ill.
She told the Guardian: “It’s outrageous what has happened today. I’m appalled by it especially doing it on a Sunday so you can’t contact anyone to try and stop it happening.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-deported-from-uk-despite-being-married-to-briton-for-27-years
what is happening in the UK? Is it also on the verge of turning into a NAZI dictatorship? :ping:
Jimbuna
02-27-17, 11:52 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39099489
One of Labours better MP's.
One of Labours safest seats with a 20,000 plus majority.
Surely the clown Jeremy can hang onto that :hmmm:
RIP Sir Gerald
One of Labours safest seats with a 20,000 plus majority.
Surely the clown Jeremy can hang onto that :hmmm:
RIP Sir Gerald
I think Labour will hang on to this seat, question is will their vote go up which would be good or down and that will raise questions. :hmmm:
I reckon it'll go down, but probably not by enough to be used to oust the Cuckoo.
Rockstar
02-28-17, 08:55 AM
shocking!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-deported-from-uk-despite-being-married-to-briton-for-27-years
what is happening in the UK? Is it also on the verge of turning into a NAZI dictatorship? :ping:
Euros are far to superior to allow such things as dictatorships to arise in their backyard. Only other countries are on the slippery slope of dictatorship and nationalism when thing like this happen. Anyway there are more important things for them to go on about to help them feel better about there own miserable state of affairs.
Jimbuna
02-28-17, 09:52 AM
I reckon it'll go down, but probably not by enough to be used to oust the Cuckoo.
Agreed :yep:
Jimbuna
02-28-17, 10:00 AM
This has been turned into a political subject.
Sir Philip Green has agreed a £363m cash settlement with the Pensions Regulator to plug the gap in the BHS pension scheme.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39118566
I'm confident it won't happen but I'd still have his Knighthood taken away from him.
I reckon it'll go down, but probably not by enough to be used to oust the Cuckoo.
I just can not see the Cuckoo stepping down even if Labour lost the seat. What is the point of another leadership challenge when old Cuckoo's fan club will re-elect him yet again.
I think jim had a good point Cuckoo's fan club are only interested in ruling the Labour Party and to the four winds about a party in opposition showing its strong and has the guts to take on the government.
This has been turned into a political subject.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39118566
I'm confident it won't happen but I'd still have his Knighthood taken away from him.
I would gladly strip him of his Knighthood and throw him into the slammer for a good year.
UKIP in fighting now turns on its only MP.
UKIP MP Douglas Carswell called in after Nigel Farage says he should be kicked outhttp://news.sky.com/story/ukip-mp-douglas-carswell-called-in-after-farage-calls-for-him-to-go-10784989
UKIP: Arron Banks may stand against Douglas Carswellhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39114851
Ukip's only MP Douglas Carswell hints he could return to the Conservativeshttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/25/ukips-mp-douglas-carswell-hints-could-return-conservatives/
Jimbuna
02-28-17, 10:32 AM
I'm not sure Mr Carswell knows which camp he belongs to and doubt he will survive the next election anyway.
I'm not sure Mr Carswell knows which camp he belongs to and doubt he will survive the next election anyway.
2014 By-Election
UKIP - Douglas Carswell 21,113
Conservative - Giles Watling 8,709
2015 General Election
UKIP - Douglas Carswell 19,642
Conservative - Giles Watling 16,205
It looks like the Clacton seat is looking like a possible seat that could fall back to the Tories. :hmmm:
Moonlight
02-28-17, 11:13 AM
It seems that Jeremy Corbyn is disliked as much by some subsim members as he is by his own Labour MPs, he might not be a very effective enough politician but no other Labour MPs are either, he might lack the statesmanlike gravitas of a world leader but so do the other MPs as well, he might be a useless party leader but I suspect that the rest of them will be just as useless as well.
So tell me gentlemen, which current Labour MP do you think has got the gravitas to turn the party back into general election contenders, some names would be much appreciated, I'm sure I can more than match the scorn and derision that you have applied to the current leader of the Labour Party to the ones that you'll supply.
Not one of those back stabbing self serving bastards have got the balls to drag this party from out of the gutter where it currently is into a viable electable shadow government, so supply some names please so they can be judged on their merits to stand tall as a respected world leader. :haha:
Jimbuna
02-28-17, 11:15 AM
The last one with any real chance IMHO was David Miliband.
So tell me gentlemen, which current Labour MP do you think has got the gravitas to turn the party back into general election contenders, some names would be much appreciated, I'm sure I can more than match the scorn and derision that you have applied to the current leader of the Labour Party to the ones that you'll supply.
No point as I understand it the leader is voted by the party membership and the Unions and as most of that membership is made up of Cuckoo's fan club no one has a chance in winning other than Cuckoo JC. Only the massive defeat at the general election in 2020 will bring down Cuckoo JC.
But as you wanted a name David Milliband but he stepped down as MP and now works in America when he lost to his nice but weak brother Ed Milliband who lost the 2015 general election.
Jimbuna
02-28-17, 12:22 PM
But as you wanted a name David Milliband but he stepped down as MP and now works in America when he lost to his nice but weak brother Ed Milliband who lost the 2015 general election.
A lot of that was due to the fact the unions used their block voting powers.
A lot of that was due to the fact the unions used their block voting powers.
Indeed they the unions probably were thinking they could wrap Ed around their little finger unlike David. How far they got I don't know but clearly Ed was not leadership material.
I just can not see the Cuckoo stepping down even if Labour lost the seat. What is the point of another leadership challenge when old Cuckoo's fan club will re-elect him yet again.
I think jim had a good point Cuckoo's fan club are only interested in ruling the Labour Party and to the four winds about a party in opposition showing its strong and has the guts to take on the government.
Depends, a lot of Cuckoos fan club were very anti-Brexit, if Labour were to run an anti-Brexit leader he might get enough votes over Cuckoo to oust him.
Jimbuna
03-01-17, 06:21 AM
Indeed they the unions probably were thinking they could wrap Ed around their little finger unlike David. How far they got I don't know but clearly Ed was not leadership material.
A quick, personal example....At the time I was an assistant secretary of a large trade union organisation and the secretary and I both knew David professionally and socially. We both used our votes in support of David but knew full well that the block vote of our membership was to be cast in favour of Ed.
That's democracy for you.
Jimbuna
03-01-17, 06:23 AM
Government facing Brexit defeat in Lords over EU nationals
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39123604
Just think of the financial savings that could be achieved if this shower of leeches was disbanded!!
OK today's PMQ's scorecard..
May 2 Corbyn 1
I have to give Corbyn one for his remark on government borrowing and the national debt.
Old JC was back on the NHS again thie week with mental health cuts, the government said there were no cuts but listening to a phone in radio station the callers said they were going to be cuts. One caller said he was going to loose £30 in his benefits a week as from such a date as quoted from a letter he rec'd.
I did notice the PM May was batting off Corbyn's attack but not in her usual strong way.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39123604
Just think of the financial savings that could be achieved if this shower of leeches was disbanded!!
That dinosaur house full of farts should be elected and made to work as in most part most of them are sleep, makes you wonder how they do any work...Outsourced? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
03-01-17, 08:11 AM
Worth a viewing:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-39121286
http://www.optimumtennis.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/serve-and-volley.gif
Jimbuna
03-02-17, 10:19 AM
Rgr that
http://i.imgur.com/o8VpY0B.gif
Jimbuna
03-03-17, 07:30 AM
Another no brainer, the Scottish Tory Conference is on and the Scottish independence referendum is high up on the agenda.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39151250
:zzz:
"An SNP government interested only in stoking-up endless constitutional grievance and furthering their obsession with independence, at the expense of Scottish public services like the NHS and education"
Umm...Theresa...
"I can't help but feel that the SNP has a tunnel vision about independence."
Theres...
"A tunnel vision nationalism, which focuses only on independence at any cost, sells Scotland short"
You're the same with Brexit!!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PY-uJRVVOVI/UBs0qArSDUI/AAAAAAAAFmg/bUq_NmKO27A/w1200-h630-p-nu/hypocrisy-meter2.gif
A definite point that.:hmmm:
In the meantime, in Northern Ireland (as it very rarely gets a mention.:03:):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-northern-ireland-2017-39147988
A further collapse for the SDLP and UUP, the DUP look to be staying still whilst Sinn Féin increase their seat numbers.
The word "oops" springs to mind.
Mike.
Martin Rowson on May and Sturgeon (https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/5xcarb/martin_rowson_on_theresa_may_and_nicola_sturgeon/).
:har:
Two peas in a pod. The problem is the pod ain't big enough for both of them.
Mike.
Jimbuna
03-04-17, 08:05 AM
A bit of acon is this IMHO....the government starve local authorities of money then allow them to raise local taxes to maintain local services.
The hardest hit authorities are almost entirely Labour controlled.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39160586
I see at long last PM May has called Sturgeon's bluff on the second Scottish referendum, can wee Sturgeon land the big fish? :hmmm:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KaTUnP69PPQ/UHGKRziPdEI/AAAAAAAAKb0/GvgfXYeM6eQ/s1600/sturgeon+kaluga+biggest+fish+in+the+world+ever+cau ght+record+big+huge+fishes+massive+records+largest +IGFA+monster+fishing+ocean+sea+giant+images+lb+po und+pictures+poisson+china+russia.jpg
Moving across to NI the DUP will have to change their leader now as SF can not be over ruled any more or would the DUP risk it all on a possible another election. :hmmm:
Labour membership falls by 26,000 in six monthshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39154212
Cold facts seem to have woken some people up.
Critics claim Labour is on course for a heavy defeat at the next election due in 2020. Try the biggest defeat of all time.
Try the biggest defeat of all time.
I dunno, they're going to have to work very hard to beat the 1983 defeat, but I have no doubt that Cuckoo is up to the challenge.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/25/1414235728110_wps_32_Michael_Foot_in_Day_in_th.jpg
"Get off my lawn, Jeremy!"
I dunno, they're going to have to work very hard to beat the 1983 defeat, but I have no doubt that Cuckoo is up to the challenge.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/25/1414235728110_wps_32_Michael_Foot_in_Day_in_th.jpg
"Get off my lawn, Jeremy!"
http://i0.wp.com/eveningharold.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/18895_Jeremy-Corbyn-eyes-victory.jpg
The mighty one has returned..
((FAKE NEWS MAYBE :hmmm:))
Revealed: Tony Blair's secret White House summit as he launches astonishing bid to work for Donald Trump... as his Middle East peace envoy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4282190/Tony-Blair-s-secret-White-House-summit-work-Trump.html#ixzz4aOtiTrlJ
I get it, he was a flop first time around and now wants another crack at the whip, or is it to do with the money? :hmmm:
And now..
Wait for it...
I give you news from the....
Lib Dems spend £1,000 on AIR BEDS from Argos as they prepare for all-night Brexit battle
The Remain-backing party will have enough £12.99 Argos air mattresses airbeds for all 102 of its peers as the Article 50 Bill reaches its climaxhttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/lib-dems-spend-1000-air-9959582
I am amazed! House of Lord's seats are so relaxing you can drift into sleep.
Well, they say it's the best retirement home in Britain.
Still, considering the alternative, I mean look at the US Senate and Congress. :doh:
Jimbuna
03-05-17, 09:05 AM
Boris is planning to visit Russia.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39165373
I wonder what Putin will make of him or even be able to understand :doh:
Boris is planning to visit Russia.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39165373
I wonder what Putin will make of him or even be able to understand :doh:
http://www.dailysquat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Coz_b_9XEAATTRl-646x437.jpgNo room on top for you Boris, you have to walk..
I see Boris has got his present for Mrs May on his return home..
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5146VCCGstL._SY355_.jpg
Chancellor Philip Hammond says there will be no giveaways in Budgethttp://news.sky.com/story/chancellor-to-put-aside-16360bn-for-post-brexit-resilience-10791127
Looks like another hit on the way. :hmmm:
And nobody was surprised. :yep:
Catfish
03-05-17, 11:38 AM
((FAKE NEWS MAYBE :hmmm:))
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4282190/Tony-Blair-s-secret-White-House-summit-work-Trump.html#ixzz4aOtiTrlJ
I get it, he was a flop first time around and now wants another crack at the whip, or is it to do with the money? :hmmm:
And i thought Farage gets this job, due to his diplomatic abilities :rotfl2:
But then maybe it's Fake News.
While a lot of Trump's claims have been unmasked and immediately described as "Fake News", this name has now be turned around to describe democratic reports :shucks: Well done.
Jeremy Corbyn's tax return appears to omit leader's salaryhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39175570
http://www.animated-gifs.eu/category_time/time-pendulum-clock/0016.gif
this name has now be turned around to describe democratic reports :shucks: Well done.
https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder9/68291009.jpg
Jimbuna
03-06-17, 07:37 AM
I notice Chancellor Philip Hammond declined to publish his tax return :hmmm:
Arron Banks is “definitely” going to stand in Ukip’s only seat of Clacton in 2020http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/aaron-banks-ukip-donor-exclusive-interview-douglas-carswell-unseat-paul-nuttall-leader-weak-a7610481.html
Will that mean UKIP will field two candidates? :hmmm:
Or maybe Carswell is planning to jump ship again back to the Tories if the news reports about him having secret talks with the Tories are true.
ikalugin
03-06-17, 07:55 AM
I notice Chancellor Philip Hammond declined to publish his tax return :hmmm:
To go off a tangent, remember the scandal where executives were payed off large bonuses after the bail outs? How did it end?
Jimbuna
03-06-17, 07:56 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/aaron-banks-ukip-donor-exclusive-interview-douglas-carswell-unseat-paul-nuttall-leader-weak-a7610481.html
Will that mean UKIP will field two candidates? :hmmm:
Or maybe Carswell is planning to jump ship again back to the Tories if the news reports about him having secret talks with the Tories are true.
I watched him on the Peston political programme last night on tv and he strongly denies any connection to stories linking him with a return to the Tory party.
I watched him on the Peston political programme last night on tv and he strongly denies any connection to stories linking him with a return to the Tory party.
Even if he remains in UKIP with Banks standing as well will split their vote and the Tories may take back the Isle of Wight. :hmmm:
Dr Liam Fox - "The United Kingdom, is one of the few countries in the European Union that does not need to bury its 20th century history"
https://media.giphy.com/media/Hf61JhIufsQTe/giphy.gif
Dr Liam Fox - "The United Kingdom, is one of the few countries in the European Union that does not need to bury its 20th century history"
He's right, after all history is always being re-written to suit the present day. :03: :haha:
Jimbuna
03-06-17, 02:40 PM
I certainly agree with this article.
Scottish independence: SNP's economic case 'should not include oil'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39178324
PMQ's and the Budget, get the popcorn out and a nice frosty beer for Wednesday.
Aye, might be the last one you can afford for a while! :03:
Aye, might be the last one you can afford for a while! :03:
Lucky I am not a big boozer. :haha:
Jimbuna
03-08-17, 10:37 AM
Budget 2017 summary: Key points at-a-glance.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39203784
Who cares about the boring Budget, PMQ's was better.
OK today's PMQ's scorecard..
May 2 Corbyn 0
And the bonus..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikWuNA8WYlY
Jimbuna
03-08-17, 11:25 AM
Sometimes I come close to actually feeling sorry for Jeremy :)
Sometimes I come close to actually feeling sorry for Jeremy :)
How dare you! :hulk:
What next? Afternoon tea with Jeremy.
Budget: National Insurance rise for self-employed 'breaks manifesto pledge'http://news.sky.com/story/government-facing-backlash-over-self-employed-tax-rise-10794757
So what, this pledge was made under David Cameron who was leader of the Conservative party who went on to win the election. Yes it would be a shocker if he was still PM but he is not. DC stepped down as PM and then stepped down as a MP, the Tories elected a new leader Mrs May so we have a new government and cabinet.
AndyJWest
03-08-17, 04:28 PM
http://news.sky.com/story/government-facing-backlash-over-self-employed-tax-rise-10794757
So what, this pledge was made under David Cameron who was leader of the Conservative party who went on to win the election. Yes it would be a shocker if he was still PM but he is not. DC stepped down as PM and then stepped down as a MP, the Tories elected a new leader Mrs May so we have a new government and cabinet.
That's a nice line in reasoning. Elected Conservative party members of parliament can't be held to account for breaking manifesto promises because there is someone else in charge now? Who exactly put May in charge?
It is one thing to be cynical about election manifestos, but another thing entirely to invent entirely fallacious justifications for ignoring them. If Tory MPs want to argue that circumstances have changed, they can do so - but pretending that they weren't elected on the basis of what the manifesto said is ridiculous.
Manifestos from all party's are just a joke. Anyone who believes a election manifesto forgets they are like ice cream so easily melted.
AndyJWest
03-08-17, 05:36 PM
Manifestos from all party's are just a joke. Anyone who believes a election manifesto forgets they are like ice cream so easily melted.
Indeed. So why try to justify their latest broken promise?
Indeed. So why try to justify their latest broken promise?
I'm not..the news media should be looking at bigger issues than this.
In the words of Ian Collins radio presenter on LBC last night said "Get over it" and yes he is self employed and he knows he just got hit.
I hate the Tories and without opposition I know this lot will get back in 2020.
Jimbuna
03-09-17, 06:55 AM
And on and on it goes...
Sturgeon: Autumn 2018 'common sense' for indyref2
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39213767
And on and on it goes...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39213767
Her bluff has been called surely she must know that.
Jimbuna
03-09-17, 07:03 AM
Her bluff has been called surely she must know that.
I doubt it.....'blinkered' and 'one track mind' springs to mind.
I doubt it.....'blinkered' and 'one track mind' springs to mind.
I didn't know wee Nicola had a sex fascination...Oh wait you mean something else. :)
Love Mhairi Blacks comment, the gal says what we all think.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-mhairi-black-video-conservative-minister-caroline-nokes-tory-hen-commons-scottish-footage-a7618706.html?cmpid=facebook-post
Love Mhairi Blacks comment, the gal says what we all think.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-mhairi-black-video-conservative-minister-caroline-nokes-tory-hen-commons-scottish-footage-a7618706.html?cmpid=facebook-post
Clearly she disagreed but to what she said is...:roll:
Clearly she disagreed but to what she said is...:roll:
It's not as if the Tories don't deserve it. :O:
It's not as if the Tories don't deserve it. :O:
I got no problem dropping a ton of farm animal brown stuff all over the Tories. :)
Jimbuna
03-09-17, 10:44 AM
Love Mhairi Blacks comment, the gal says what we all think.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-mhairi-black-video-conservative-minister-caroline-nokes-tory-hen-commons-scottish-footage-a7618706.html?cmpid=facebook-post
She's young and new to the political game but is fast making a positive impression.
She's got potential for sure, if Scotland ever did go independent I could see her becoming its leader one day.
Well here you go chaps..
Mhairi Black
http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/mhairi-black/4421
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25269/mhairi_black/paisley_and_renfrewshire_south
Closing Parliament for repair work 'most efficient' option
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39221810
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DFloZbT99oE/hqdefault.jpg
May be Jim can put up old Cuckoo JC and Oberon takes in Mrs May while old STEED nails his door down good and hard. :haha:
Jimbuna
03-10-17, 07:27 AM
£4bn for restoration of Parliament!! :o
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39221810
^Beat you...:O:
National lottery can pay for it.
Oberon takes in Mrs May
I think we've got some room in the attic, she can join the other bats. :yep:
I think we've got some room in the attic, she can join the other bats. :yep:
Now now..:haha:
George Osborne set to earn £650K for four days work a month at US firmhttp://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/george-osborne-set-to-earn-650k-for-four-days-work-a-month-at-us-firm-a3485086.html
And the rich get richer.
Jimbuna
03-10-17, 08:12 AM
As the former Chancellor frequently railed against 'aggressive tax avoidance', I presume he will be more than happy to give HMRC 40-45% of his new jackpot 'earnings'.....NOT!
CLASSIC!!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6t7DAEWkAMn5f8.jpg
:har:
Jimbuna
03-12-17, 09:34 AM
^ CLASSIC!! :)
Here we go again:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181
I hope that this time the pro UK side can actually come up with a positive case for remaining in the Union beyond money.
That's if there is one?
Mike.:hmmm:
Here we go again:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181
I hope that this time the pro UK side can actually come up with a positive case for remaining in the Union beyond money.
That's if there is one?
Mike.:hmmm:
PM May has called her bluff and Sturgeon is so stuck in concrete she will fail to see the average Scottish voter is getting fed up with the SNP. I will say now the SNP is going to loose some where from 10 to 20 seats in 2020.
No 10 probe after Theresa May's schedule 'left on train'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39251876
8am
Meeting with Oberon
10am
Coffee and Cigars with Oberon
11am
Phone call to STEED, another meeting cancelled reason STEED is on holiday.
12PM
Train to jim's
2pm
Afternoon tea and smutty jokes with jim
4pm
Train back to Oberon's
7pm
Hanky panky with Oberon
8am next day
Train back to No.10
12pm
PMQ's
Well this is a eye opener... :hmmm: :03:
Jimbuna
03-13-17, 10:29 AM
Here we go again:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181
I hope that this time the pro UK side can actually come up with a positive case for remaining in the Union beyond money.
That's if there is one?
Mike.:hmmm:
Responding to Ms Sturgeon's announcement, Mrs May said a second independence referendum would set Scotland on course for "uncertainty and division" and insisted that the majority of people in Scotland did not want another vote on the issue.
She added: "The tunnel vision that SNP has shown today is deeply regrettable.
"Instead of playing politics with the future of our country, the Scottish government should focus on delivering good government and public services for the people of Scotland. Politics is not a game."
Pretty much says it all for me.
Sturgeon is totally blinkered, she should concentrate on helping the Scottish people and not selfishly trying to fulfill her own personal goals which she has clung on to since she was fifteen years of age when joining the SNP.
You could make the same accusation against Mr Farage, and yet he kept on and achieved his goals. There are few arguements you can make against Scottish independence that cannot be dismissed in a manner similar to that which the leave camp dismissed the remain camps concerns in the prelude to the Brexit vote. I suspect that there will be enough irony to go around with indyref2 that if Scotland were to harvest it it would be able to flood the market. The 'Better Together' group made a lot of promises in the last referendum, and I don't think a single one has been delivered, so 'Fool me once'. I wish Sturgeon and the SNP the best of luck this time.
She's young and new to the political game but is fast making a positive impression.
She's got potential for sure, if Scotland ever did go independent I could see her becoming its leader one day.
Mhairi Black says she 'hates Westminster' may not run for election again in 2020
Youngest MP in nearly 400 years may stand down after single term, saying she finds Parliament 'depressing'http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mhairi-black-snp-mp-parliament-election-run-2020-westminster-depressing-young-a7626386.html
Jimbuna
03-13-17, 03:42 PM
On the subject of Scotland remaining in the EU if independence is achieved and Brexit takes place....
Scotland would have to apply because Scotland are a part of the UK.
Should Scotland choose to split from the UK Right now or within the next 2 years then that automatically ejects them from the E.U.
Scotland still has to apply to join the EU and there you have the final sting!! Go to the back of the Queue or as they say on the other side of the pond, the end of the line.
Spain would surely object on the grounds it would encourage Catalan to gain independence (to give just one example).
Spain would surely object on the grounds it would encourage Catalan to gain independence
Spain has clearly said they would veto Scotland.
Jimbuna
03-13-17, 04:27 PM
Spain has clearly said they would veto Scotland.
True that :yep:
True that :yep:
As you said the Catalan factor has made Spain firmly saying no. Of course Catalan may change their minds which may make Spain re think.
Jimbuna
03-13-17, 04:40 PM
As you said the Catalan factor has made Spain firmly saying no. Of course Catalan may change their minds which may make Spain re think.
Nope, can't see that happening, the fight for independence has been going on for too long now.
Similarly with Greece, should Turkey ever get close to joining.
Then Scotland is boned and the SNP are living in fantasy land.
Until and unless the situation occurs, we aren't going to know the actual answer to what Spain will do, do we?
The Spain angle is dismised out of hand by most SNP supporters as part of "Project Fear" anyway, so the No (Remain) side can't use it as it's a busted flush.
As for the economic arguments, people still voted for Brexit despite all dire predictions as to what would happen to the economy, remember? Most Yes (Leave) supporters aren't going to pay more than lip service to that argument than the most ardent Brexiteers did.
I did post this:
I hope that this time the pro UK side can actually come up with a positive case for remaining in the Union beyond money.And that means coming up with something other than "Spain will veto" and "the economic arguments don't stack up" as that was used back in 2014 and 45% of those who voted back then still voted to break up the UK.
As much as this is an internal Scottish matter it does affect the rest of the UK. Not as much as Scotland, granted, but there's still an effect to be felt. Considering the situation up here, it behooves the people and politicians in the rest of the UK to start thinking of something positive to say about both Scotland and the Union rather than the usual crud we normally have flung at us about being a "financial drain", "Irn Bru" and "Deep Fried Mars Bars"! That's stooping to the same level as most anti-English knuckle dragger you can get. People have to rise above that sort of rubbish. Remember what I've posted previously about how Scotland see's itself and it's relation to the Union. Anything remotely negative is ammunition for the SNP.
Mike.
Jimbuna
03-14-17, 06:42 AM
I'm confident I'll have posted the fact I'm for the union remaining intact (just too bloody lazy to look) but I'm also of the opinion that should Scotland have a majority of those leaving then so be it.
Since the indy referendum in 2014 the facts are that currently the Scottish budget has become worse (aided and abetted by the slump in oil revenues) a major means of incomee.
I think it would be fiscal madness for Sturgeon to push her personal/SNP agenda at this moment in time.
I certainly don't consider myself a knowledgeable person on the subject and the above is purely my personal opinion.
I wasn't getting on at you specifically, Jim, but as more of a generic rant about what as I see it is almost complete apathy about the Union within the UK. England especially.
In many respects being a bit too "hands off" with regards to Scotland and, let's be honest, Northern Ireland, has now begun to bite the UK establishment on the rear. Too many people in the different parts of the UK don't have any real idea about the other areas. The same is true within those areas. I doubt someone from Hampshire really cares all that much about what happens in Newcastle as long as it doesn't affect them personally.:hmmm:
Even prior to devolution Scotland was run from the Scotland Office as what is best described as it's own fiefdom, almost completely separate from how the rest of the UK was governed. The same applied in NI. Devolution cemented that tendency even further.
At the end of the day the current situation is down to Labour and it's seeming inability to keep it's Scottish wing properly integrated. If it had, it might just have noticed the rot within that wing early enough to take some form of corrective action. A similar situation applies to the Conservatives, although it's exacerbated by their tendency to be a party of the south and Home Counties.
Anyway, John Curtice on polling analysis:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39264468
As clear as mud, but peeps up here knew that anyway!
Mike.
Looks like the SNP will go ahead with a second referendum Sept 2018 - May 2019. If they ram their agenda like sticking a gun in the voters face and telling them how to vote it could backfire on them. Could the SNP be plotting with Wales and NI to fragment the union on more fronts, only time will tell.
Jimbuna
03-14-17, 10:21 AM
I wasn't getting on at you specifically, Jim, but as more of a generic rant about what as I see it is almost complete apathy about the Union within the UK. England especially.
Mike.
I'm well aware of that Mike, in fact, I always look forward to your input on this thread.
You and I are but two grains of sand in the desert but nevertheless entitled to our opinions.
If and when a second referendum is forthcoming I've actually got pretty strong views on the matter and even stronger should the eventual decision be to break up the Union.
Tis always gratifying to read this thread and observe no personal insults or name calling occurs and long may that be the case.
None of us is as clever as all of us.
bertieck476
03-15-17, 05:10 AM
The UK government will of course allow another Scottish referendum but I do not believe it to be wise or right to have it at the times the snp suggest.
The difficult negotiations connected with brexit will still be ongoing and the true result of those negotiations unknown.
It would be wrong and irresponsible to expect the UK government to be negotiating brexit and fighting a remain campaign at the same time.
Scotland would be making their decision without knowing the full extent of our future after brexit, it would not help our negotiating position and it would water down our ability to get the best deal for RUK and Scotland should it choose to remain again.
After the brexit deal is done is when Scotland should vote again.
Skybird
03-15-17, 06:25 AM
Scotland plus the rest of the UK is all UK and a net payer into the EU. Scotland without the rest of the UK is a net receiver. And that is all what it is about: money. Skip all that talkign about national rpide, dieals and values: they want money form the EU, and that is all.
I know that politicians do not care for such annoyances like realistic facts and costs, but I do. If the Scots want to leave, fine, it is their natural right, no people is property of another people. But I would only wish that the EU makes it clear to them that they are not automatically new members of the EU with us Germans, Dutch, Fins and Austrians wanting to pay their bills. Of course the scum inBrussel will not dare to say that but insist that every new memeber, no matter how weak and depending, makes the union stringer, not weaker. That belief is against plain reason, but the EU has never had anything to do with reason.
I also think that London should deliberately refuse to pay any membership fees beyond the day its formal membership in the EU ends, forseeably in Spring 2019. Thats what ending a membership is about. That 60 billion Euros by the EU claim is an arrogant joke. In the medieval, when a vilager died, the village had to pay a comeponsation to the landlord for the slave's working powre having been lost. Junckers still seems to dream of those days, and that I think the EU's self-declared elite to have a feudal self-understanding is nothing I say for the first time here.
Jimbuna
03-15-17, 06:26 AM
This is one of the few pieces of common sense I've heard from Donald Tusk but I'm still struggling to believe he is being honest/sincere.
He said the "goal is a smooth divorce" with the UK and EU as "good friends"
He told the last meeting of the European Parliament before the UK triggers Article 50 that it was "carefully preparing" for Brexit and "it is our wish to make this process constructive and conducted in an orderly manner".
But he warned: "However, the claims, increasingly taking the form of threats that no agreement will be good for the UK, and bad for the EU, need to be addressed.
"I want to be clear that a 'no deal scenario' would be bad for everyone, but above all for the UK, because it would leave a number of issues unresolved.
"We will not be intimidated by threats - and I can assure you they simply will not work.
"Our goal is to have a smooth divorce and a good framework for the future - and it is good to know that Prime Minister Theresa May shares this view."
Mr Tusk also stressed that he would "do everything in my power to make sure that the EU and the UK will be close friends in the future", adding that "Britain will be dearly missed as an EU member state".
"At the same time, I would like to stress again that the EU's door will always remain open for our British friends," he said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39277845
OK today's PMQ's scorecard..
And what a PMQ's it was!
May 5 Corbyn 4
Did you see the SNP come to life? I was wondering if the 3rd Jacobite uprising had started!
Once again not one question from wee Tim leader of the LibDems what a disgrace that man is. Every PMQ's Angus leader of the SNP makes the effort to ask questions.
Jimbuna
03-15-17, 11:09 AM
It annoys me a bit to admit May has the beating of all of them.
Jimbuna
03-16-17, 09:06 AM
Conservative Party fined £70,000 over election expenses
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39289195
Chicken feed when you take into consideration it helped bring about a return of government with an increased majority.
Money talks :hmmm:
Skybird
03-17-17, 09:03 AM
I just have read an analysis of Scottish exports, and that was quite enlightening and tells me what BS Sturgeon tells people:
Because: half of the Scottish exports go to - the rest of the UK. The other half is distrubuted amongst Netherlands, Germany, the rest of the EU, the US, Asia, and so forth.
Means: leaving the UK would damage Scottish exports much more seriously than leaving the EU.
Export targets of Scotland in billions of British pound:
UK - 49.8
USA - 4.56
HOL - 2.29
FRA - 1.81
GER - 1.75
NOR - 1.32
DEN - 1.09
IRE - 1.01
all others: > 1.0
source: Export Statistics Scotland
Jimbuna
03-17-17, 10:50 AM
^ I'm pleased you posted that Sky because I was reluctant, fearing I'd be accused of being biased.
The simple truth is, the SNP have only one true agenda...independence.
They aren't concerned with the timing, in fact, it is well timed to cause as much damage as is possible to the UNION (England/Westminster in particular).
I'm hoping the Scottish population can see what is happening and will eventually turn against the SNP.
A few points to consider (and by no means a complete list or in any particular order of importance).
Massive job losses in the defence sector if the nuclear facilities are relocated south of the border.
Add to the above the RAF and Royal Navy assets that would go.
A desire to remain in NATO but as the head of NATO recently said, renewing entry would take a number of years and require an acceptance of nuclear weapons aboard visiting NATO units (ships, aircraft etc.).
Falling revenue from oil and gas as well as diminishing stocks (the current deficit is etimated at £15 Billion and would continually rise).
What currency would they use? The pound is underwritten by the Bank of England and they can't use the Euro because the minute the UK Brexit, Scotland as part of the UK will automatically have left.
Are they prepared to take their fair proportion of the UK debt (currently approaching £2 Trillion) or do they believe they can leave with a clean slate.
I'm hoping the Union will remain intact because we are stronger together.
Skybird
03-17-17, 11:14 AM
^ And the numbers I pointed out to, by source where not even English/UK ones, but Scottish ones, analysed and discussed in a German essay and by German authors in a German paper.
Jimbuna
03-17-17, 11:27 AM
^All the more weight to your source.
Catfish
03-17-17, 05:21 PM
[...]
The simple truth is, the SNP have only one true agenda...independence.
edit: Insert brexit for SNP?
They aren't concerned with the timing, in fact, it is well timed to cause as much damage as is possible to the UNION [...]
edit: Insert EU for Union
[...]
I'm hoping the Union will remain intact because we are stronger together.
edit: Insert EU for Union [...]
And so on.
Would England or the rest of the UK construct an Embargo against scottish goods in case of a scottish exit?
It is not about NATO, or jobs. The thing is you want to keep the Union together for reasons you deny the EU. The latter is meanwhile more than an only economic union, with the time passed since 60 years people all over Europe got accustomed to international cooperation, removing borders, student exchange programs, science, and then trade made easy for all. Most have no understanding or demand for national isolation, for reasons they regard as jingoistic and backwards. Last not least no wars here for decades.
Regarding falling oil and gas prices, the prices are going up everywhere. The Saudi-Arabian - US price war will not go on forever. Oil is getting scarcer, and there will be an end at some point. Scotland could certainly invest some money in North sea oil production with or without US help, or even with the EU. If Scotland left the UK there will be new treaties immediately, and Scotland would most probably not be left out.
But the EU meanwhile heavily invests in new technology, closely working together with the s. valley in a lot of ways, the common tenor is they do not want to invest in oil anymore, at least not after the next 10 years.
We have been talking with some irish folks and an irish professor about what a scottish exit from the UK meant to Ireland. They regard the referendum as wrong, and bad for their country. (also: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/05/the-guardian-view-on-the-northern-ireland-assembly-election-a-warning-to-brexit-britain and https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/23/ireland-border-brexit-trump-eu). They managed to come out of the economic crisis themselves and without the EU, but instead they are highly indebted to english banks for generations to come. And they see no way out, if they have to leave the EU because of England. They completely depend on english banks. And they indeed will not leave the EU. They also mentioned Ireland never had a civilian non-violent strike culture, but they would have to do it now. Observing closely how Scotland is being treated, the Irish border could become not just a political frontier but an ideological boundary. Mrs May is not regarded as smart, or sympathetically.
There will be a 60-year celebration of the Rome treaties this month. You can bet a lot of european young people will be there, and the general consensus we heard everywhere is some old empire-romantic elders deny young people the future, which does not only mean England. This is what we heard from all we talked to.
Whether Scotland has its referendum and does not leave the UK or not, England better thinks about a possibility to let Scotland stay in the EU.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39289195
Chicken feed when you take into consideration it helped bring about a return of government with an increased majority.
Money talks :hmmm:
They got so much money they are wiping their bums on the stuff. :shifty:
The bloody one track mindedness of the SNP will be its downfall, they don't give a stuff about Scotland and the voters they just want their way. Hang on that means the Scottish voter works for the SNP! Bloody heck that is so wrong, politician's work for us the voter not the other way around.
New Evening Standard editor Osborne criticised for remaining as MP
The former chancellor fulfils a long-held ambition to enter journalism but staff at the newspaper are "stunned" by the decision.http://news.sky.com/story/george-osborne-named-editor-of-london-evening-standard-10804646
The Evening Standard is a pile of rubbish and has gone down hill big time since it went free. So it will probably go bust paying greedy Gids his wage. :03:
Nick Clegg ends up as model in bizarre US airport poster
The ex-leader of the Lib Dems could be carving out a new career after graphic designers unwittingly made him a poster boy.http://news.sky.com/story/nick-clegg-ends-up-as-model-in-bizarre-us-airport-poster-10804420
What next nude modeling! :o
Bruiser Brown is back..
Gordon Brown intervenes with 'third option' for Scotlandhttp://news.sky.com/story/gordon-brown-intervenes-with-third-option-for-scotland-10805675
Gordon Brown has proposed a "third option" of giving Scotland vast new powers in exchange for remaining in the UK. Will the Scottish voter think about this. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
03-18-17, 07:57 AM
Gordon Brown: 'Holyrood should gain Brexit powers'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39309133
I wondered how long it would be before 'Mr. Yesterday' returned to the spotlight.
His last promise turned out to be a damp squib, didn't it?:hmmm:
Promising Home Rule(tm) isn't likely to work this time - he isn't in any position to influence what the Tories do.
Mike.
His last promise turned out to be a damp squib, didn't it?:hmmm:
Promising Home Rule(tm) isn't likely to work this time - he isn't in any position to influence what the Tories do.
Mike.
So old Gorden holds no sway anymore in Scotland.
SLab = A zombie branch office. Those who previously voted for it are now split between those who support independance to get away from the Tories and those who support the Union.
The split in Scottish politics isn't left vs right these days, it's nationalist vs unionist.
Mike.:hmmm:
Nicola Sturgeon: Don't like Brexit? Move to Scotland!http://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-tells-snp-there-will-be-a-referendum-10806506
Good job there is a lot of room in Scotland. :03:
An increase in Scotland's population would be desirable. As long as those incoming are able to earn decent enough salaries it would increase Scotland's tax take.
It might also "encourage" Scottish employers to start paying a decent enough wage level vis-a-vis the rest of the UK. At the moment the Scottish average lags behind the English average which isn't something new. Paying their workers less than their competitors south of the border allowed the likes of North British Locomotive Co. and the other Scottish engineering firms to undercut those English firms when bidding for contracts as far back as the 19th century. The problem with that is it turned the Clyde Valley into an industrial unrest hot spot in the years prior to WW1.
Mike.
Jimbuna
03-20-17, 07:58 AM
About time too...
Prime Minister Theresa May is to officially notify the European Union next Wednesday (29th) that the UK is leaving.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39325561
About time too...
.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39325561
Here is a prediction from a former adviser to Putin from the radio in the last hour..
Brexit will not happen
Parliament will vote down PM May's agreements forcing PM May to a very hard Brexit which result in massive price rises and puts old JC into No.10 on a massive landslide victory which will see the UK fast tract back in to the EU.
Catfish
03-20-17, 04:01 PM
Oh it will happen. I would just like to get into a time machine, move some 300 years into the future, and read about all this nonsense in history books.
Russia has an interest in brexit to weaken the EU just like Trump, you should not weigh their words or take anything of that stuff serious.
This is just bait for western politicians to simulate opposition, so we can prove the Russians wrong and be proud about it, while doing exactly what they want. Classic desinformation.
The question is not whether UK will leave EU or not-Which they will
The question is or more correctly the two question is
Will Scotland get their second referendum and thereafter join the EU ?
Will The rest of the UK try to rejoin the EU in about 10-15 years from now.
Markus
Catfish
03-21-17, 04:22 AM
^ Only my opinion, i do not understand enough of UK-internal politics for a "real" assessment.
Imho apart from the SNP and patriotism, it certainly makes sense for Scotland to stay in the UK union, much more than Ireland. Because unlike Scotland, Ireland exports a lot more to the EU than to the UK.
In the long run Scotland will have to come to grips which its own economy, it will not be always able to rely on England. Of course Scotland does not like to be led by the nose, and it does not like to be so dependent on financial help; so the only possibility in the long run is to try to get its own economy rolling. This will be hard though, without being a member of the EU anymore. Imho it is a bit of a vicious circle, they really need to break that somehow – maybe not by leaving the UK, but..
Really, why has a member of the UK to leave the EU, if the people of a that UK's country do not want that? What is the reason for that? As far as i see it Wales is the only country which wants to follow England on its brexit course.
Regarding England (UK?) rejoining the EU, well if the latter gets over the brexit and starts some urgently needed reforms, it may even come out of it stronger. "Die Geister, die ich rief.."
OT just having been to Italy there is a very strong pro-european feeling, and this is not only because of the celebration this month. There is a lot of scientific exchange (was really overwhelmed by the EU help for archeological teamwork), business connections, and a general positive attitude. It has been a long time since i was in Scotland, but i really would like if it remained a member.
Really, why has a member of the UK to leave the EU, if the people of a that UK's country do not want that? What is the reason for that? As far as i see it Wales is the only country which wants to follow England on its brexit course.
That's because the UK is a unitary state with devolution. The UK parliament at Westminster is the government of the UK whilst the administrations at Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh are in reality oversized local councils. They don't have anywhere near the power of the German Lander or the US States.
The anomaly comes from the fact that the UK started as a Union between England and Scotland in 1707, then (the whole of) Ireland joined later in 1801. Wales is a principality of England by right of conquest and was fully absorbed administratively and legally into the English system during the reign of the Plantagenets. It was only split off for administrative purposes in the late 1960's. Scotland and Ireland retained their own legal and religious systems on joining with England - there was no adoption of the English systems as that would have been resisted by the local elites, both secular and religious.
Sad but true that the majority of the UK population, regardless of where they come from, have no real grasp of what their country actually is and how it's made up.
Mike.
Martin McGuinness has died at 66 due to illness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39185899
Some will mourn, others will not.
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/03/martin-mcguinness-terrorist-godfather-and-the-queens-minister.html
Mike.
Jimbuna
03-21-17, 10:51 AM
Martin McGuinness has died at 66 due to illness:
Some will mourn, others will not.
Truer words you couldn't post.
I know many on each side of the fence.
Jimbuna
03-21-17, 12:10 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ImQejgl.jpg
Is it just me .... or does Nicola Sturgeon's mother look like she's going to belt out Candle in the wind. . .:)
Catfish
03-22-17, 02:39 AM
That's because the UK is a unitary state with devolution. The UK parliament at Westminster is the government of the UK whilst the administrations at Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh are in reality oversized local councils.
So Wales, Scotland and Ireland are not independent countries?
Ok i know they are only bounded to the Union by being a UK member, but what does that mean exactly? Wales connected to England during the Plantagenets (after military annexation, or is this too blunt?), but how about the other two?
Why can't they remain in the UK and be a member of the EU as well, independently? Time for changing the constitution? :03:
OK today's PMQ's scorecard..
May 3 Corbyn 2
Well old JC came close this week and at one point he was going to win. He deflected the same old PM May's out of date cannon balls and used comments from her own backbenchers against her. But PM May came off the ropes and punched back but those punches were not her normal hard hitting ones.
Jimbuna
03-22-17, 11:05 AM
Far more important matters at Parliament right now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-39355505
George Galloway announces bid to be Manchester MP
The firebrand politician wants to win the "mother of all victories" against Labour in a seat it has held for more than 80 years.http://news.sky.com/story/george-galloway-announces-run-to-be-manchester-mp-10809619
Wonder if this would split the labour vote. :hmmm:
As for a victory for GG well that would be a long shot.
Jimbuna
03-23-17, 11:11 AM
Good grief!! :o
I consider neither of them electable :)
Good grief!! :o
I consider neither of them electable :)
I do not know this person or what they stand for in English politics, I can however tell you that some of the voters see these politicians as a good choice.
Markus
Good grief!! :o
I consider neither of them electable :)
Yea but GG makes a great pussy..:03: :haha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8crwU7CB_A
Jimbuna
03-24-17, 08:41 AM
^ Some weird kind of foreplay :har:
Jimbuna
03-24-17, 08:45 AM
And not before time!!
Parliament's ethics watchdog is to review its guidance on MPs' second jobs in the wake of George Osborne's appointment as the editor of the London Evening Standard.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39379102
^ Some weird kind of foreplay :har:
Celeb Big Brother at its kinkiness. :03:
And not before time!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39379102
I bet they are the same lot who control MP's wages who are in turn controlled by the MP's who tell them what to do or be disbanded.
Jimbuna
03-25-17, 10:24 AM
UKIP's Douglas Carswell is quitting the party to become an independent MP and says he is doing so "amicably".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39393213
Douglas who?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39393213
Douglas who?
Tory plant right from the start but what really gets me angry this twerp is going to remain as a independent! If I lived in his seat i would be calling for him to step down and if he wants to be a independent he should stand in the By-election just like what he did last time.
How dare he stay on, what a disgraceful act in sticking it to the voters. I don't care what party MP's are in and if they choose to leave for another party or go independent there should be a By-election.
JOB DONE NOW I'M OFF TO WREAK HAVOC IN THE SNP.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/08/1412783571176_wps_50_CLACTON_ON_SEA_ENGLAND_OC.jpg
CORRRR..THAT NICOLA STURREON IS HOT
http://static.dagospia.com/img/foto/07-2016/douglas-carswell-815392_tn.jpg
Catfish
03-25-17, 02:15 PM
Lots of protests in London against brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/mar/25/brexit-protest-thousands-march-in-london-to-unite-for-europe-live
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-protest-march-london-saturday-2-july-anti-result-live-a7111581.html
George Osborne has claimed he has "overwhelming support" from his local Conservative Party in Cheshire, despite being appointed editor of London's Evening Standard and having a total of six jobs.
http://news.sky.com/story/george-osborne-receives-overwhelming-support-from-tatton-tories-over-six-jobs-10813203
Well that is dandy, what about the voters in Tatton? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
03-26-17, 06:26 AM
How dare he stay on, what a disgraceful act in sticking it to the voters. I don't care what party MP's are in and if they choose to leave for another party or go independent there should be a By-election.
Agreed :yep:
The former UKIP leader says everyone in the MP's constituency will be contacted to show how "honourable" Douglas Carswell is.http://news.sky.com/story/farage-says-all-of-clacton-will-be-asked-about-by-election-after-carswell-quits-10814648
Well its something but never the less there should be a By-Election.
I suppose that this raises the question of what everyone votes for - is it a particular party, or is it the individual?
Perhaps if we looked more closely at the individual, would we still vote for the party he or she represents even if we disliked them as a person?
I think it would be a good idea to start looking at the person rather than slavishly voting along party lines. It might make elections a bit more interesting if the result was a parliament of individuals representing the specific interests of their constituencies rather than one or two parties whose policies might actually harm the constituencies voting for them.
Mike.
Jimbuna
03-27-17, 02:54 PM
Sturgeon and May met today prior to the triggering of Article 50 and early indications are that no real progress was made at the meeting which lasted an hour.
Ms Sturgeon said the talks were cordial but she was "frustrated by a process that appears not to be listening".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39399390
Skybird
03-28-17, 06:28 AM
I just learned a detail I did not knew before, and strangely it gets almost never mentioned in the media (thats why I did not know it). That is that article 50 that May is about to trigger tomorrow, has a passage that allows to prolong the 2-years time window for negotiating terms and conditions of the divorce . This can be done unlimited times. The only condition is that none of the EU members votes against doing so. If just one member vetos this, it would not be possible and Britain would end with an "chaotic" exit.
This changes my assessment of Britain'S stand in these negotiations dramatically, I admit. Because I assume now that May calculated from all beginning on that those 20 thousand single laws and articles that need to be discussed now one by one, could not be dealt with in the remaining 18-20 months, considering that some months are needed for the technical ratification in the individual member states. I assume therefore she is bluffing when considering a hard Brexit as "acceptable". She probably always has bet on this chance to get prolongued discussion times.
And that will most likely not happen. Too many EU members there are - not necessarily Germany, btw, which has a strong interest in keeping close economic ties with Britain -, that want to play as hard and ultra-hard with britain as possible, to lecture the British and show the world the price of leaving this formidable union. The british must suffer for their arrogance to turn their backs on the EU, so to speak.
Therefore, the scenario of Britain leaving the EU is not as certain still, as I meanwhile assumed when the law passed the two houses. Its very possible that in a year or in 18 months - May declares exit from Brexit. In the end she has been against Brexit before the referendum anyway, hasn't she been. This could very well happen, if May sees her bluff does not work and the EU plays as brutal on Britain as has to be expected.
Which tells somethign about this formidable union in return. A treaty, an alliance that cannot be left peacefully and under somewhat cordial conditions, is a prison. And he who does enforce it, is nothing more than a tyrant and slave-holder.
What was that title translated to english of the book by David Engels I repeatedly praised in past weeks? "On the way towards EU empire".
Jimbuna
03-28-17, 07:15 AM
It is being suggested in the UK media that the Brexit negotiations will be the most detailed and difficult negotiations ever taken by any country in history thus far. There will be much horsetrading between all participants, each of which will have their own wishes and desires.
The ace in the pack for the EU is the fact that it takes only one country to exercise their veto in order to stimy (a situation or problem presenting such difficulties as to discourage or defeat any attempt to deal with or resolve it) any progress or agreement on any given part. The problem that would create would be in demonstrating to the rest of the world just how disjointed the EU is toward anyone not in agreement with their wants and desires. In fact, there are numerous examples of similar behaviour within the EU membership.
The bottom line for May must be the UK position that in the simplest terms equates to the position that the UK imports far more from the EU than what she exports and any tarifs imposed on UK exports would be reciprocated in kind against those goods imported into the UK.
Of course, the net receivers (or scroungers as I am beginning to call them and these are a mojority of the EU membership) won't care, but the real powerhouses of the EU (Germany and France to name just two of the net payers) would feel the burdon expotentially and would most likely bring pressure on those naysayers (Five countries - Germany, France, Italy, the UK, and Spain - contributed nearly half of the budget. In fact, Germany alone - Europe's largest economy - paid more than the 19 lowest-paying member states combined).
Interesting times ahead no doubt and I notice that Spain is already renewing their commitment to wanting Gibraltar back the minute the UK leaves the EU.
I foresee the EU damaging a great deal of their credibility (well, those that think they have any) in the eyes of the world if matters are allowed to get out of hand.
Skybird
03-28-17, 07:41 AM
It is being suggested in the UK media that the Brexit negotiations will be the most detailed and difficult negotiations ever taken by any country in history thus far. There will be much horsetrading between all participants, each of which will have their own wishes and desires.
Over 20.000 single laws and paragraphs in around 550 days?
The ace in the pack for the EU is the fact that it takes only one country to exercise their veto in order to stimy (a situation or problem presenting such difficulties as to discourage or defeat any attempt to deal with or resolve it) any progress or agreement on any given part. Yes, but that wa slong since known. I was about the prolonging of the negotiation time which - in all secrecy - mabye has been taken for granted, basing a bluff of confidence and strength on it.
The time imo is not sufficient for so many paragraphs beeing cracked open and replaced with solid, good new treaties, laws and rules. Much will be sewed with very hot needles.
And don't be so certain about the French. The french want to weakne germany, both its economic power and its influence on the currency policy. They want more socialism in the EU, and a softening of the Euro rules, and more debts. Thats why they join america in attacking the German car industry, htting the hear6ta nd core of the German idnustry this way (that is the real dela behind the meission scandals and the hard crack-down on car makers. The French build small and middle class cars mainly, the Germans focus on prestigious limousines and big cars, any regulations on car emissions therefore will hit the Germans before anyone and harder than anyone else - and that is what America and France want). Also, Britain is Germany'S most important trading and export partner. Preventing a good deal again bakcfires against the German industry that the French want to damage. They cannot become stronger by their own means, so they want to grow in relative strength by damaging the strength of the other.
Jimbuna
03-28-17, 08:14 AM
What you state in your final paragraph is most likely true but the point I am making is that during the course of the next eighteen months (ratification of any deal would take six months) the true horse trading and consequences will most likely reveal the true nature of the attitudes and mindset of the EU.
Those countries that are in it only for what they can benefit (we all know who the many are) will have their bluffs called and in so doing the cracks will soon appear and instead of leaving they will present a bigger burdon on a diminishing pot of net payer contributions.
I'm not bothered should the EU survive the predictable ordeal or not but sincerely wish common sense will be allowed to prevail and the aftermath of Brexit will bring about a fair and just outcome and lay the foundation stones for continued trade between the UK and her European cousins.
Should the net receivers win the day then the inevitable outcome for the EU as a whole is a sorry one indeed IMHO.
Skybird
03-28-17, 09:15 AM
The net receivers already have won - they have a decisive majority in the Euro head council of the ECB. Thats why Draghi can have his state-financing ways. Germany even silently wishes for that, since German politicians are not shy to do damage to German interests to support the EU cause, thats a nice opportunity again to once more demonstrate that we are no evil selfish Nazis anymore. They just cannot dare to tell that openly at home.
Except chancellor candidate Schulz, maybe - who some days ago said that Germany should pay "much, much more" to the EU.
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.DbCqzl5ovC7VdRmdKNSvAwEsDO&pid=15.1&P=0&w=263&h=182
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxISEhUSEhIWFhUVFRcYFRgVFRUWFxYWFRUXFhUWGB YYHSggGBolGxUVITEhJSkrLi4uFx8zODMsNygtLisBCgoKDg0O GhAQGy0lICYtLS0tLi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS 0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLf/AABEIALgBEgMBEQACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAABBQEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgMEBQYBBwj/xABGEAACAQIDBAcEBgcHAwUAAAABAgMAEQQSIQUxQVEGEzJhcY GRIkKhsSNSYnLB8BQzgpKistEHJENzk+HxFoPCFTRTY6P/xAAbAQABBQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBAUGB//EADYRAAIBAwMCBQIEBQMFAAAAAAABAgMEERIhMQVBEyIyUWFxs RSBkaEVI0LR8AY04TNSU2LB/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwD3GgAoAKACgAoAKAESSBQSxAA3kmwHiTS NpbsVJt4RQ4zpbCNIg0x5oLJ/qNofK9ZtfqtvS75fwXKVhVnzt9SpxHSLFv2eriHcDI3q1h8KyK vXpv0LBfh02mvU2yDLNM/bxEx8HyD0jtWfU6pcz5kWY2tGPEV/n1I7YVT2rt95mb5mq0rqrLmTJlCK4Qn9Ai+ovpTPGn7jsilwiD cCv3WZfkafG5rR4kxrjF8ofilmTsYiZfGQuPR71Zh1S5hxIhla 0ZcxRPw/SDFpvMco+0pRv3l0/hq/R69UXrWStPptJ+ltFrhOlsJ0mVoTzb2k/fXd52rXt+rUKuzeGUanT6sONy/imVgGUhgdxBBB8CK01JNZRSaaeGLpRAoAKACgAoAKACgAoAKAC gAoAKACgAoAKACgAoAKACgAoAKACgAoAzu1ulCqTHABK40JvaN D9pvePcPhWVedVpUNluy9b2E6m8tl+5mcUzzHNO5kPBd0a+Cbv M3Ncxc9QrV3u9jYpW9OkvKjtUWyckQYKR+yhtzOg9TU9O1qz9M SCdxThyybFsRz2nA8AT/SrsOlzfqkl+5XlfxXCJSbCTi7HwsPwNWI9Kpd5P8AYhd/PskODYkXNvUf0qX+F0PkZ+Nq/AlthR8Gcfun8Ka+k0nw2Kr+p7Ijy7Ab3XB8QR8Req8+kS/ol+pNHqC/qiV+IwEidpDbmNR8N1UatnWpeqP6blmnc058MjVWLBzDZ4jmgc xniBqjfeQ6Hx31dtr+tQflexDVoQqrEkaTZXSlSQmIAjY6Bwfo mPiewe4+prp7Pq1KvtLZmRcWEqe8N1+5owa1jPO0AFABQAUAFA BQAUAFABQAUAFABQAUAFABQAUAFABQAUANYidUUu7BVUXJOgAH OmykorLFjFyeEYra+23xN1S8cHo8o7+KJ3bzx5Vy/UOruXkpce5t2tioeae7+xBRAosBYDcBXPttvLNEn4PZrvr2R37/AEq5Qsp1edkVat1GGy3Zc4bZ8UfC55nWtijZ0aW/LM6pcVKhIaUcBU7qRXBFpYkPTVMXArNTtQmDoal1CYFBqXUGDu al1CYO5qdqEwQ8Xs2OTW2Vua6eo41Ur2dKrvjD90WKVxUp8PYo sZs949Tqv1h+PKsS4s6lHd7r3NKjcwqbcMhsoIsRcHnVVNrdFk mbJ2xJhbKbyQfV3vGOafWX7Ppyre6f1eUMQq7oz7qxjU80Nn9z bYXEpIodGDKwuCNxrqoTjNao8GHKLi8PkepwgUAFABQAUAFABQ AUAFABQAUAFABQAUAFABQAUAN4idUUu5CqouSdwA3mmykorLFj FyeEYPam0mxTXN1hU3jQ+9ydxz5Dh41yPU+pus9EODftLRUVl+ oaVSTYC5rGSbeEW3JRWWWuDwQXVtT8BWlQt4w3lyUKtaU9lwWP XcBWh4uFhFXQJz0zXkXB3NRqDB3NTtQmDual1CYO5qXUJg6Gp2 oMHc1KpCYO5qXUJg7mp2oMHc1LqzsJgp9obL96PzX+n9KybqxX qpfoX6F2/TP9SprKNDkd2bj3wr50BaNjeSMfzpybu4+Na/TepSoS0y9JUurWNZbcm7wmJSRFdGDKwuCOIrsYTU1qjwYEouLw +R6nDQoAKACgAoAKACgAoAocVsjFMzMuOdbklV6pCqi+i99udU 50KzbaqNfkWY1qSSTh+450f2lI5kgnAE0JAYr2XVhdXHj+eVLb VpSbhP1ISvSjFKcOH/mC6q2VwoAKACgAoAKAMLt/an6S+RT9BG3lK4O/vRTu5nXgK5bq/UNT8KHHc3LG10LXLl/sQwK574RoN4LTCQhR3nf/AEq9RgoL5KNWbm/gkZqnUiHB0NS6gwdDU7UJg7mpdQYO5qXUJgVmp2oTB3NS6gwdD 0uoTB0NSqQmDuanahMCs1LqDB3NSqQmDuanahMFZtPA3u6jX3h z7/Gs+7tlLzx57lu3ruPllwU9ZJpEvYm0/wBFksx+gkPtf/W598clPH151v8ASOoOnLw5vZmfe2viR1R5X7m7BrrDCO0AFABQ AUAFABQAUAFAGewmu0p7cIIwfEtcfCqUP91L6Itz/wBtH6s0NXSoFABQAUAFAGd6X7SKqIIzZ5QcxG9IxozdxPZHieV ZXVbzwKWFyy9YW/iT1PhfczMaAAACwAsPCuKk23lm8S8Imt6kpLfJBVl2JmarGor4 K3H7ehifqvaklO6KFTJJ5qOyO9rCrlC1rVvSiOc4wWZHI22lLr HhYoRzxExZv3IgbeGaten0SWPNIpzvqa43HDs/au/rMF4ZJ/nmqf8Agkf+4i/iC9itx22sfhdcRgkZOMkEpyjxzj2f2rCqlfpbp75f3LNK4hV2T 3JCdKlsC2Fxa35QGQHvDRkgiqX4d9pL9ScV/wBSO2kOBxLnhnRYV82kP4UKil6pr7iFvgZZCimVFRz2lVs4Gps A1hfS3CoZuKl5XlC4FvjEDrGWAdwxVeLBLZiPDMPWlSk05LhCY Hw1IpBg6GpVIMHQ1O1CYO5qXUJg7mpdQmDuenagwVO08NlOYbj v7jWZd0dL1LgvW1XK0sgMoIsdx31TTxuWzQ9D9okg4ZzdoxeMn e0V7DzU6eFq7PpN549PS+UYV/b6Ja1w/uaatczwoAKACgAoArdtY2WMKIYTK7kgcEW3F24D51BXqTilojl slpQhJvXLCX6/kVg2DiZRmxGMkVuC4c9Wi+e9vOq34arNZqTefjZE/wCIpw2hBfnuyZ0RxrzYWN5Dmb2gW+tlcqD6CprOpKpRTkR3UFC q1HgjdF/pJcXiOEk2Re9YRlBHcb/Co7TzTqVPd4/Qfc+WMIeyz+poqvFQKACgAoARLIFBYmwAJJ5Aak0jaSyxUm3hH nTYgzO87b5D7IPuxjRF9NfEmuE6hcuvWb7HS0KKpU1EcUVntkj ZJiNhUkXsQS5KpZZsc7RYZzHChyzYgakkb44L6Zub7hw1rpumd Jc0qlXj2M27vY0vLHk2GwdgQ4ZMkMYUHVjvZzxZ3OrHxrp4qNN YiY7c6jzIulgFNciRQQowik1MXQiNPhdKep55IpU8cGO2lgTgi ZYgf0e95Yx/hX3yxjgv1l8xxrF6n02MoupTNGzu234dTnsyYsgIuDcHUHmK5f OHhmlgVmpdQYKLpI3Vy4PEcI5zGx5JiEMdz3Z+rq5bPVGcPdZ/QbJF/mqspC4OhqXUJg6GpdQmBWanagwdzUuoTB0NTtQmDkgDAg7jSSx JYYsXpeUUciEEg8KyZRcXg04y1LI2ZmiZZk7URzW+su5181v52 q3Y3LoVlIZWpKpBwZ6Lh5ldVdTdWAZTzBFwa7yMlJJo5hpxeGO U4QKACgAoAKAKrpPjupw0jjtFcqW3l39lbet/Kq91U8Ok2ueP1J7anrqpPjuP7DwPUYeKLiiAH729viTTqFPw6c Y+yG1qniVHL3JcMKoLKoUamygAXJuTYd5NSqKWyI2292LpRAoA KACgDPdNMVaERDfMwQ/cHtSfAW/arM6rX8K3eO+xdsKeurl9tzNKK4ds32OqKaRtkTaszBVjjNnlY Rqfq5t7eShj5Vf6bbuvXjHsV69RU6bm+xrdj4FIo0jjUKiABQB awH5+NejtKEcI5OLc5OTLyNbCq7eS2lgXSChQBxjzoAg4yEa6a GpoPOxXqRxujG7Mj6p5cNwiIMf+VJcoP2SHX9kVxnVrVUa7xwz dta3i0lIsLVl4LBUbclgkR8M5Z2dbFIlaR14q1lBykGxF7bquW lGs5qVNDZyil5nghYLbksCKMfDLFb2ROyHqntoC9rmJjybTvq3 c9NqrzwW3sRwrwlsnk0EUwYBlIZTqCpBBHMEb6ym3F4ZNyLzUu oMHc1LqDB0NTtQmDual1CYFBqVSEwQNoLqDz/Cqtwt8lqg9miLUBZNF0JxN43hO+FvZ/wAt/aT0OYfs12vR7jxaGHyjB6jS01NS7mkrVKAUAFABQAUAZvHf3nH RwjWPDWlk5GQ/ql8t/rVCp/OuFDtHd/XsXIfyqLl3lsvp3NJV8phQAUAFABQAUAYjpPPnxeXhFGB+1Icz fwhK5Xr1XM1D2NzpsMU3L3ZDUVzrLzY4oppG2QofaxsIPuiVh4 hVUfzmuo/03BOs37IzOrSxbY92jdYKuvqGDRLKqxbCgCs6S7XXB4WbEsLiJ C1h7zblXzYgedOhBzkoruI3gyH9q3/pxwDYrELHIwAMF2szsbWRbcCCbi2gueFS0qkqE+PyYyS1x2Z55 0B6Y9SyNEzrhjIkWIw7uXWLrTljmhY9kA7xpoDcbjV5+HcQc4r EkQYlF6Zbnpm0RbHJ9vDyA/8AbkQj+dvWuS6/FYjI0+mS8kl8jW2JXskUZyvM2UMN6KAWkcd4Uad5FY/T7X8RWUexer1lSpub7F1sfZ0cKBI1yjeeZPFmO9ieZruY04Uo6 Yo5x1J1ZapsvIoQRYgEEWIOoI5HmKhm8lmEcGZx3QKG5fByPg3 OpEVjCx+1h29j93LVKtaUqqxJFuFxOJVT4baWH/W4ZcSg/wATCtle3MwSHf8AdY1j1uid6b/UuQvIvkix9J8NmySOYX+piEaFvRwAfI1l1LC4p8xz9C1GpGXDL WKYMLqQw5ggj1FVHqjyhwvNQpBgVmpdQmBnF6r51HVeUSUtpEK oC0Tejs2TFpylRkP3l9tfgH9a3uhVtNVw9yh1GGqlq9mbmutMI RLIFBYkAAXJJsABvJNI2kssVJt4Rnp+l8d7RRSSD62iKfAsbn0 rKrdYoU3hbl6HT6jWZNISnS63bw0o71KP+INMj1ui+U0OfTpdp Jj03S7DCN3DnMqkhHVkZjwAzDXXlVr+I0HByjIhVjW1JNfmPdF sA0UOaT9bMxklP2m1C+Q0t41LaU3GGqXL3Yy5qKU8R4WyLqrRX CgAoAKACgAoA86nkzzTvzmceSWjH8lcL1Seu5kdLbR00Yr4+4t azGPY0u0Ir2z2+8GX4sBUngz5wI4sYzZMXA3Bi6X++mYfFLV0P +namm40vujN6rDVbN+25uMG9dnURzlGRaIb1VZdTFUgpR9N9jt jMDPh0tndLpc2HWIwkjueAzKtSUanhzUvYbJZWD516UbGfFuJI 8qzoojnglIjkV00uM1hu01I3DffTSurWVaXi0t0ypSn4OYy/U1GE6I4MSw4XZ0zzGTqnxrMQVgSJsx1VQAzG4C3O4eNR0YyoRn rWG9kSVGpYaPRMTIHx+/9VBrv7U0gsPSI+tcr16fpiaPTVinKXuxGI/8AeQX3CGc+eaEfI1H0BLxpfQd1L/ofmigk6Y7On2bJLj7ZnMxiiIbMwVj1IjA42KZjpqTewrqbiE6E 0/zM2nCLi49zA9D+mEgc/ot8PKilxGHdsNOE1eNomJym25hrv1HGajKF1LRJYfZoY4ypYec o+iej21lxeGixKAhZUDWO9Se0p7wbjyrOnBwk4vsWk8osaaKM4 nCxyDLIiup4OoYehpMIE8GexPQDZzG4wwjPOBnhP/5sBUcqMJcolVaa7lbjuiLYcdZhZ8Q7Lr1M0vWJIOKgsMytyN9+ +qV10ulVpvStyWneOM0p8DOExayIHXceehB3EEcCDcEd1cbUjK nJwlyjYW6yKncW151FJ5Q6K3I1+VNJ0xIkySRP9SaM+RYK3wY1 e6dNwuIsjuI6qUl8HpFd6cwZfpvKbQxe7I7F/tCNbhT3XIP7NY3Wq0oUMR7mj02Cc3J9isw0oXdXJRqYNKcG+Sd HjKswuSvKiVEipiprWAhivcgAdZJy7wPzvqduHdYJE50o7Pdk6 GKfDa4eS6f/ABvdk8uK/s+lWKN9Xt+HqiQzjSrbTWH7ov8AY23o5zkIMcoFzGx3jmh3Ove PMCuhtL6lcLy8+xn17WdLd7r3LerpWCgAoAKACgDzTAm65ubM3 7zsfxrzu7lqrSfydSvLFIkxY0KbZFPiL0yE9PZDZUNW+Syimik FnjXv0GtW6delL1RSZTnTnB5TKnbHR+63wzWKkMqHUBlIYFOWo 3bjVunJU5qpDsL4muLhVXPctdlbU6xRl0YaOOKuO0p5WruLe4h c01OL/wCDlq1CdvUcJfl8ovsO32qSUCWnUJsVudRYZOpJnGxA4UYDKKP bmxsHiSGxOEilYaBnQZrcs2+3dUtNzj6XgjlJEYDDYSFuqjSGJ LswRQo8bDtE7uZqSU9Cc5sr+apLTHllZsWBrtLILSTOHYfUWwE aeSgX7ya4i9ruvVcjoKcFTgoLsK2s4jxGFkO4tJEf+4l1/iQetW+jT0XGPchvY66Evjc836W9C2VTF1chw4kZ8PLEhlMIftQ yxr7WXQWYcl7xXb1JRrQUZPDXcxISknqjv7oT0M2WscE+GgwZx WKmJCYgwtGuGDLlN5JB7IF2OmpvaxqKnTjQkqjmtuyJ1Jz2ccH uPRnZQweDhw4bN1UYUtuzNvdrcAWJPnVKpPXNy9yZLCwWcb3pg p2RrCgDivcE0AQsTOTwqWCIKrMNiz1OLdctkmXrQN1pFIWW2nG 6N4k1yn+orVQmqq7mz0ys6lNxfKHcQbqD+eNcwaiGA9hupyJER toT/Rvpawv6a/hU9vtUixWso9Sja4B5ivQ1wco9ip6R4D9IjyqQHRs0bHcGFxY/ZIJB8aq3lqrik4MsW1fwZ6u3cxJnZW6uRCjjeraeancw7xXE3N pUoSxJG/CpGccxeUJxM5Y9VH2yNfsLzqOlBLzy4F+WTsCoRQiiwG7v5376 Y5yk8kUnndkszlRf0p8ZyRG4oYmhEmpBUg3UqbMp+sp4GlhUlT nqhsOXGGXuwNtszCCcjrPcfcJQPk44jzFdd07qSuFpn6vuZl1a 6PPDj7GhrWKIUAFABQB5lsv9Un3a84r+tnVyHppETVuO4C5JPI Ab6ZGEpcDcsQNogHKY5Bpfsg6XtewJPwqVUHjKaGOPyT8JiQwB Rrju+R5UJzg9yKUV3IhibrOtjsJNbg9mQW7Ld/I8Kv2PUKltU1LjuiCvbwrQ0T/J90XGztqq+mquO0jaMPLiO8aV3dreUbqOYPf2OZuLarbPzLb37 Fi2M0NTumRKsEOK0vSeGO8YibS2vHEuaRwo3C+pY8lUase4UlS VOlHM3gIKpWlpgslHhsPJiJRJMpSJGvFCe0SOzJL3jeE4bzru5 jqPU/G8kODatrVUFnmX+cFyR7XmKxiyQOkmCM0TIps65WjPJ0IZT61L SqOnNTXYdHD2fDLPYO0hNEki6XGq/VYaMp7wQa7ilUjWpqa7nPVKbo1HB9i8D3FRyjgnhLI4p9k0wkF YfjQB2fdQA2Gsp8/lSpZEbwVzS7/L8asQjuVKkjI7fbNi4FB7KSsfBiij5H0rn/8AUzXhxj3NToqbU5C51soHf/WuJN1CU3UpKiJtYfQyfcb5VNR9cfqONft3EzRYQSxE3iMbuAAc 0Y7a67hY38q7u4lONJSj2xn6HOUIwlVcZd84+vYt9nzrIgkQ3V gCp7jVmElKKkiCUXF4ZS9J8dG/92SJZ523KRcR/bc+7b1qld1IT/lJKUn+3yWranKP8xvTH7/CMvi9mjByKkcnWytYyxldwPvdZ7o4ANe9YfUbOjRgtUtzRoV5V 8trC7MlRTK97XV1tmVtGHI9/iKxnTa37Ekk0SI0zHXhRgZkkZaNIZGcThg4sb77gjQqw3MDwIN Og5QlqiOTL7o5tYyAxS/rowL8BIu4SKPgRwPiK7Lp97G4h8rkybqh4bzHh/5gu60CqFABQB5rgVsuX6rMv7rsPwrzu7jprSXydRF5imSFjGbN YXta/G3Kq+p4wNYzjTlKS8FNm+4+hPkcpqalunARexIOEGcOCVbiR7w 5MOPjvpVN4wxudsDjDKb8PzpQiMJ4o5LZ1vbcdxHgwNxUtOpKD zF4E7YErhHIITEOB9sI9vMi/DnWtS6zdwWNWfqU52VvLdwX5bHI8NLufEPb7KIp9SDUkut3cl6 sfQZGxto8Q/Vsewez4Y2zhS0n15CXfwzMTYdwtVKpcVKvreSdJRWIrCJ8C65j/wA0xDWK9/zFOQnYViE4+tKIZ7ET/ocxmAPUSn6YAX6t93WgcjxHhyrU6XfeDPw5elkd1bfiIZXqX7o 08GODgZDcGxBGtwd1rcK6lpSWUYcZOLwyzik9m3H8ahcCzGodi xIG+m6WO1oJsUCDalURHNERsR7J8/lUsYEM6hVYjGqiO7sFVQCSeA1qZuNNapcFbEqktMd2zNbOzSyP iHBBawUHeqLfIp7zcse81591i+/E1m1wdfZ234eiod+5PxO7z/rWL3LSGQ1gL99OHohbUkvE6gG7C3roB8ant1mpFfI57LJ6ekAy 5TxFj8q9CS2wzlc75Rm16MBCyxYieKNjcxxv7Ivvy37Iqp+CW6 jJpeyLX4tv1RTfuyasUGBgkeNOypZidWcgXGZjqbn509Qp29Nu K/uxjnO4mlJ/8FNs/AEKHk1llPWSMeLNrYcgNPACuWuU5+aXL3L/AIm7UeFsiDtuEdsMEZNVY7vA8wd1qqpaHjsWKUnLYXC87gNFBl BGplbKL8RYC5HpUsKGRknCLw3+hLXD4jQl4bX1AV724i+bfRKi kJ4kHwmPstV3EVMi4lGBWWPSSM3Xkw95D3MNPQ1LbV5UKikhXF Ti4y4Zr9mY5Z41kTcw3Hep3Mp7wbiu2pVY1YKUe5i1IOnJxZKq UYFAHnkseSadOUznye0g/nrhOqw0XMkdHby1UYv4HFrMHs6yBgQRcEEEdx30+LaeUNGdnyE XiY+0g9k/WTg3jwNWJpPzruEvcnLTURsWFHIegpyGscUU9DRy1PQxoUqjkP SnoaOA09CChbkPSnZG4OlqXImBqSNWBBUEHfcDWmMctuCiGDmw hLYUB4ibmEm2W+8xtw8N3hvrUseqzoeWe6Iri0p3G72l7/3J+B6TwOcrN1b/AFJfYa/dfRvImuloXtvXXlkY9Wzr0eVle6Lj9Jv3/GrehPgreI1yIlxQA1sB32tRpS5E1t8FFjuk0IusX0zfVjsVH3n 7I9b91UrjqVvbrd5fwW6HT7iv2wvkqhhpcQwecgAG6ovYU8Dzd u86DgK5LqHWKlz5VsjoLWxpWy23fuWgUKLcKwW8lvdiSQe+mjs CGHClQ9DSxZpIkA7c0YPgGDN8FNX+nQ13EV8ja8tNKT+GekCu9 OYOEUAV+3cB12HljUDMyHLfdmGq38wKhuKfiUpR90S0J6KkZex lJduLb2wVdQFaMj2s2gyheNzurjbh1Nai1ho2IUFjKeUx3AYW5 66cAv7ie7GOHi3M0+LjHdjJt+mHBaNKT4UrqykQqCQjJTGh2Rt hUbQ9MacVE0PR3YWK6nEZD+rnOnJZgP8AyUeq99bfRrrEnSl34 ILulrhrXK+3/Brq6UygoAxXSWHJi83CWMH9qM5W/hZPSuU6/RxOM/c2unTzTcfZ/ciLXOMuscFOQwj4+Ast10ddUPfxHgd1T0pYeHwwTwM7G21HPdb gSKbMveOXz/N6nq0JU8PsxJwaLdaiREOCnoaLFOQ1oUDT0xrQsGnJiNCr07Ig XoyGDhNNbFEE01sVEXF4OOQWdFbxF6blrgkUmuCsPRvDjshk+4 7KPQGpo3leHEmDUZcxT/IQejmH3srN99i/816ZO8rz5kx0VGPEUTIsIiaKoFt1VZNvkk1NhM/KoXLcdGJAlY0ItxSHIaaxkx1zSJDIoldHIc+LU8IkZz4t7C/Av6V0HQqWqq5+xT6jPTSx7s3IrrTCCgAoAyG2WEmMIIFoEAH35 BmJ8ly2+8a5nrNbNRQXY1bSOmln3/8Ag1iMWkdsxJY9lVBZm8FHzrKhHJNpbFo+JbVcOFHAyyAH91Qf nVlUpEbdNcy/Qk4frLHrQgN9MhJFu+4GtJJYGvH9J16hkOQy9QyJEQsbDnUgGx 0Kkb1YG6sPAgU2FR05KSJImq2FtDr4Vk3N2XH1XXRx6/Aiu6tqyrUlNGLXpOnNxLCpyIz/AEzwt4RKBrC2c/cPsyfA3/ZrM6rQ8W3eOVuXbCpoq499jPKa4VrBtscFCIxYp6EZ510/2dJh5Ri4CVv2rbt/EePz7q6Dp1WFWDo1Nyam8rA5sD+0cWC4lf2h+fn60V+lvmmxsq KfButn7cw8wBSVTfmQP9j5VmTozg8SRXlCSLMGmpjGKBp2RuBQ NOyJgVelyIF6MgcJpMhgSTTciiCaaxyQkmmsckNk0xjhBprHIb ZRUTSHpjRiFJkdrZw0gqG2NORIjQ9CcNaN5jvmb2f8tPZT1OY/tV23R7fwqGXyzD6hV1VdPsaStUoBQAUAYfb8hhxMul2mEbRDgz AdWwv3ZVJ7jXL9WotV9XZmxaNTpJe2R7ZkAiu3akbtOd57hyXu qhCtjhDqq1bdiYZCd5pXVlLlkelI5YU3IbiWamNjkhlzUTZIhl zUUmPQ70exPVYkp7s4uO6VB/5IP4K3uh3O7pP8itfU9UFP2+xr710xkiZUDAqRcEEEcwdCKGk1 hip4eUeffo5hd4G3xn2SfejOsbemniDXB9StXQrNdjo6NVVaak h5azkKxYp6GsZx+DSaNo3FwwqalUdOSkgTw8nhfSjZD4SYow9k k5TzHL891djaV416epfmFSo0VMWLZTdWKnmCQfhVlwT2aIvGNF sjpzi4bASZhyb829QapVenUZ9sD1UUuTb7H/tPjawnjy943f7/AArNq9LnH0PI7wVLhm02bt7DzgGOVTfgSAfDkfKqE6U4bSRFKl KPKLO9R5IwvRkMHCaTIYEk0mR2BJNNyKIJprYqEk0xjhBNNY4Q TTGKhBprHIbahD0hloWlZYU7Upy3+qu928lv52q9YWzr1lEStV VKDkz0TDwqiqiiyqAqjkALAV3sYqKUUczJuTbY5ThAoAKAMx0o F8Rhl5JM3n9GvyY1hdby1FL5NGx2jN/QjBq5tbbFvGRGFxiSAlGvbeNQQe8HUVI8rkRxaH81GoTAlmprk KkNM1Rtj0hpjUTY9IhY5yq9YvajIkXxQ3t5i486ktKzpVoyQ9w 1Jxfc9BhkDKGB0YAjwIuK9DjJNJnONYeBylEM90u2cWUTxi7xA 5gN7xHVl7yO0PA86yuq2fj0srlF6xr+HPS+H9zPRSBgCDcEXB7 q4iSaeGbLQ6DSJjBYNPQjKTpb0eTGQlSPbHZPG/D8/wBavWV3K3qZXA1pSWGeD7RwUkEjRyCzKfUcCO6uzpVI1IqUeCl JOLwyOrU7AqkSInqOSLdKZNgnZDmRip5g2qGUU9mXVuarYnT7E wWDnrF5Hf8AnwtVGr0+nPeOwyVKLPQtg9NcNibDNkfk35/276ya9nUpcrYryoNcGkzVUIjhNNyAkmkyLgSTTWxRJNNbHJCCa Y2OQgmmtiiGNNHpDUjgC5NgN9PSzwPSNB0P2aQDiXFmkFkB3rF vHmx1PlXadJsvAp6nyzFv7jXLRHhfc0ta5nhQAUAFAGd6XKU6n E2uImKyW4RygAnyIWsrqtJypqa7P9i7ZS3lD34+qI00YIzKbg6 gjjXNVqf9SLsJdmVUhtiEO7Mjqe/KVIv8ahT8jJ8ZiTc1M1DMHC1I5CpCGamNjkhpmqJsekMSG+lEf ckihOB6UtHGkd+wir+6oH4V19K8xCK+EZ9Sy1Sb+T0Wt0xwoAw +3dm/o0mdR9BI3lFIx3dyMd3I6cRXK9Y6dpfiw47m1Z3PiR0S5X7oYU 1zZcYsGnJjRQNOTEaMn086JrjI86C0qi4PP8/nv1unX7oS0y4YydNTWHz2PJsJ0ZxMhKiM3U2I/OldO7iGMrcKXT6s1qbS+o1jdlTQG0iEeVKqkZcD5WlSlvyvdCU 3Uxlim9hVIPH8JA7sBGCW4ZeHffhSTlGKzLgGetdD9m45I/ppso4KVDeoPz0PjvrnLyrQcvIitUlE0VsQPeiPirj5E1SzT+SP y/IqITXGZo7cQqtc+ZOnpSNwxtkXbsSCahyIkIJprY4STTWxRDNS cjkhBp2MD0PbE2b+lSXYfQRn2uUjj3BzUcfTnW/0jp2uXiTWyKd7deHHRHl/sbsV1hhHaACgAoAKAEyIGBBAIIsQRcEHeCKRpNYYJ43RnJujDI f7tMY1P+G4zoPu6gqO65rIr9IhN5g8F+F9/wCRZ+e5Cx/R2cIZTKHeP2lREyhrdoXJJJK5gN2tVZdG0U5NPLJoX0XJRxhMj 4eQSAMmoIuK5vTLOn2Lj25OtccKbJNCrDG2ao2xyQ070JEiQ3e nJDish6OyyKJADZwGHgwuPnXR07STgn8FaV5GMmvY9ZrpzngoA bxEKupR1DKwsQdQQd4psoqSaYsW4vKMNtLZ7YRrMSYWNo3Pu8o 3PybjXIdU6W6L1w4Ny2uVWWHz9xINYRZaFg05MaImlyi/fT47glkpNt7JLXmg0beVHHvA5935OlaXnhvRPgs0LhwemXBj8d iy46uVfXf5Vvw0yWUy+qseyM2+xJGfLCpa50twp8q0YLzsrVYR Xmia7Yf9nJNmxLW+yPzf5eFZVx1bG1NFSVVLg3OzNiwYcWjjAt xsL1k1bipUeZMilNssSahyMOXpMi4Ek03IpwmkbFwJJpop1Yya lhRb5EckhTRBRc/81O6cYLLEUnLZDWAwT4tyqkrEptJIP5E5tzPCr/T+nSuJa57RGXFxGhHC9RuMLh0jRURQqqLADgK6+EFCKiuDBlJy eWPU4QKACgAoAKACgAoAKAMztPYrxuZ8MA2YkyQnQMTvZDuDcx uPzxb3puqXi0ue69y/Quk1oqfkxnB4uGa4ByuNGR/ZZTyINZHhxb0vZ+zJ5KcN+V7oel2d3Uydn8BG4IsmAA1sBVadt pJo12yrTCnESdRDu3SON0a8dfrHcBUtjYyr1f8A1JqtfwaeZc9 j0CGIIoVRZVAAHIAWArtoxSSSOdbbeWOU4AoAKAG8RArqUdQys LEEXBHK1NlFSWGKpOLyjGbU2NJhrsmaSDzLxDv4ug57x3765fq PR3HM6PHsbFteRqeWez/ZkWKUMAQQQdxFc404vDLrR2Rbi1LGWGIRY5Ch+Yqw0pDmsiMRh 8PJq8YJ9Plvp0alWHpYJyXDHMGkaaRR27+NvHU02c5y3kxssvk sL1FkZgL0ZDBy9GRcHL0mQwAF6FFvgNkOJh2NTwtZy5GOokSos HV2naJEUqw3i8SkYOoJG/XQeJoq1IU/LHdhThKe/YY2dsuXFnO+ZIee55ByQe6v2uPDnV2x6XOtJVa3Ale7hRWmnuz Z4XDpGoRFCqosANwFdPGCisRWxjSk5PLHacIFABQAUAFABQAUA FABQAUAV+0tjQT/AKxAWG5hdXHgw18qr1ralWWJrJNSr1KXpZV/9LuukWMlUcmCt8RaqD6RD+mTRZ/HZ9UEzqdFAx+nxEsv2bhFPjl1+NOh0iinmTb+ojv5YxCKRe4TC JEoSNAqjcFFh/zWlCEYLEVgpynKbzJ5HqeNCgAoAKACgAoAz21OjKsTJARE51It eNz9pRuP2h8ayrzpVK43WzLtC9lT2lujO4kvCcs6GM8G3xt4Pu 8jY1y1102tQe62NWnWhV9D/udZQ2/1qim4knAkYZe+neKwyPIoG4U1yyIdvRkQUoJp0YuXAjeB1ICas xtW+RjqIkR4SrULREUqxJXDAanQd9W40FHkhdRvgRJjIk45j3f 13UyV1Qp8PL+B0aVSfbBWnaMuIJTDoW4HKbKPvSnTyGvdTYRur t4gtK/zuSuFKgs1Hv8A52LfZfRdQQ+IIkcahQLRIe5T2z3t6Ctuz6TSo by3ZSr30p+WGy/c0daxQCgAoAKACgAoAKACgAoAKACgAoAKACgAoAKACgAoAKACg AoAKACgBEkYYEMAQd4IuD4ikaT2YJ4eUUWK6JwnWItCfsG6f6b aelqzbjpNvV3xh/Bdp31WOz3+pVz7Axadnq5R3Ext6NcfGset0Ca9EslyHUKT9SaI UiTJ28NMPBM49YyazqnSbmH9JYjXpS4khlsao7WZfvI6/MVWlZ1o8xZKmnw0di2vGvvr506kqtPhCSpaiSu3AeyL/dR2+Qq5Gdw/TTIXQiuZDq4zEv2IJv8AT6seslqmjQv6nCx+RG/w0fVJfr/Ydj2JjJNXyRj7bGRv3V0/iqxDolabzVkMd9Rh6Fn9iywvROEazM0x5N7KfuLofO9atv0m3p b4y/kq1L+rL07fQvoolUBVAAG4AWA8AK01FJYRSbb3YulECgAoAKAC gAoAKACgAoAKACgAoAKACgAoAKACgAoA/9k=
Jimbuna
03-28-17, 09:22 AM
Let us see what the day after tomorrow brings, I'm sure the press will keep us informed/disinformed.
Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second referendum on independence for Scotland has been formally backed by the Scottish Parliament.
MSPs voted by 69 to 59 in favour of seeking permission for a referendum before the UK leaves the EU.http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-39422747
The fuse is lit, will it blow up in the SNP's face? :hmmm:
Daily Mail's 'sexist' Legs-it headline sparks anger ... but PM says she doesn't mind
The Daily Mail tells critics to "get a life" after a backlash over its Prime Minister v Nicola Sturgeon "Legs-it" headline.
The Prime Minister has dismissed the sexism row over the Daily Mail's "Legs-it" headline, saying it's "just a bit of fun".http://news.sky.com/story/daily-mail-legs-it-headline-causes-outrage-mps-brand-it-moronic-and-sexist-10816232
To be honest this is the Daily Mail so what, who the heck takes the DM seriously its not fit to be toilet paper. I find it laughable people get worked up over a non story.
OK today's PMQ's scorecard..
May 0 Corbyn 0
What a dead lost that was..
BOOOOOOOOO..
Jimbuna
03-29-17, 06:02 AM
Today Mr Tusk will receive a letter of some significance...
Today Mr Tusk will receive a little of some significance...
My secret recipe for tuna sandwiches!!!!
I WILL PUT A STOP TO THAT RIGHT NOW!
........That was close one.
Catfish
03-29-17, 06:20 AM
^ Would you mind posting the recipe?
And as we are at that, also for egg butty?
:)
^ Would you mind posting the recipe?
And as we are at that, also for egg butty?
:)
Tuna!...NEVER. :03:
Egg Butty..:hmmm:
Buy a Stonewell Non Stick Frying Pan.
http://images.freemans.com/is/image/OttoUK/466w/stonewell-non-stick-frying-pan~21E779FRSP.jpg
Job done, no need for any cooking oils and the result a well cooked egg and add what ever you like to it.
Catfish
03-29-17, 08:20 AM
Tuna!...NEVER. :03:
Ok then you will not get the recipe for my tuna casserole :hmph:
:O::haha:
Egg Butty..:hmmm:
Buy a Stonewell Non Stick Frying Pan....
Job done, no need for any cooking oils and the result a well cooked egg and add what ever you like to it.
So just egg with seasoning, and buttered bread? And maybe a bit of bacon.
Just white bread? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
03-29-17, 08:52 AM
Brexit: The UK's letter triggering Article 50.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39431070
Both pro and anti EU is going to have their eyes on UK the next few years if not the next 5-10 years to see how they proceed outside EU.
If UK goes downhill(Thinking economy it will be a win for the Pro-EU side-"See what happens if we leave EU"
If UK goes into a stairway to heaven(Thinking economy) - it will be a win for Anti-EU " See we would be much better outside EU"
Markus
Both pro and anti EU is going to have their eyes on UK the next few years if not the next 5-10 years to see how they proceed outside EU.
If UK goes downhill(Thinking economy it will be a win for the Pro-EU side-"See what happens if we leave EU"
If UK goes into a stairway to heaven(Thinking economy) - it will be a win for Anti-EU " See we would be much better outside EU"
Markus
There will be no change of business until we have left and if longer time is needed and approved by the EU it will be even more of a wait.
Signs are the EU could reject the PM's Article 50 letter as reported on the news.
Skybird
03-29-17, 02:29 PM
From various directions and sources it was made clear today that the EU's way of negotiating is designed to serve one purpose only, and that purpose is indeed revealing: as one such source put it, "none of the remaining 27 members shall ever dare again to consider leaving the union."
I felt like wanting to drop bombs on Brussels when I heared that wording. Another hint that the EU indeed deserves my unlimited disdainfulness and hostility.
I doubt that the UK has to expect any friendliness in the upcoming talks. Resentful vanity often reacts with almost irrational desire to take revenge. The poisons already have been carefully selected, I'm certain. Worestening is that the EU wants to create a precedence case fore intimidating its remaining members.
Jimbuna
03-30-17, 08:07 AM
I notice the counter balance/argument of the UK being the largest and strongest militarily and the most advanced in intelligence/security is being put forward.
The negotiations will not be one way traffic, difficult obviously but the EU does not hold all the aces in the pack.
ikalugin
03-30-17, 08:10 AM
I notice the counter balance/argument of the UK being the largest and strongest militarily and the most advanced in intelligence/security is being put forward.
In EU?
Skybird
03-30-17, 08:12 AM
^ Yes. I agree on both claims.
ikalugin
03-30-17, 08:30 AM
I would say that France has the overall edge in real defense capabilities at the moment. Other member states have advantage is select military capabilities (ie Poland has better land forces).
Jimbuna
03-30-17, 08:37 AM
Brexit: UK sets out plans to replace all EU laws.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39439554
Catfish
03-30-17, 08:49 AM
I notice the counter balance/argument of the UK being the largest and strongest militarily and the most advanced in intelligence/security is being put forward. [..]
What an elegant circolocution of.. blackmail :03:
I think supervision and eavesdropping of the kind as it is being done in e.g. London is maybe not a good example of how and what should be done in the rest of Europe. It is clear though that all other secret services are of course wetting themselves on getting such information, they are not subject of common law anyway or so they behave.
I do not think that threatening the EU will get England far.
Well the rest of May's letter was conciliatory enough.
Jimbuna
03-30-17, 08:57 AM
^ I'm certainly no fan of May but that part of the letter was probably included for the duel purpose of informing the EU that the UK would not be toothless in response to any attempts at punishment as well as to please those Tory backbenchers whose support she'll need to get any kind of agreement through parliament.
Catfish
03-30-17, 10:17 AM
Thanks Jim, certainly she needs the local support; I had only looked at the outside impression, but it of course makes sense.
If the Eu gets their lousy brains together they will not try to make it harder than necessary, at least i hope so.
Skybird
03-30-17, 12:50 PM
What an elegant circolocution of.. blackmail :03:
Yes. The EU parliament has just threatened to veto any agreement that allows Britain to not be fundamentally ill-posed in a way that it really hurts.
Not to mention that the EU opens the process now with demanding Britain to agree to pay 60 billion in advance - before any issue-related negotiations even begin, and demanding further to have Britain paying member fees that are not called member fees after membership has ended. Thats why you cancel your membership - to continue paying membership fees. Yeah, sure.
The EU sets up far more threats and blackmailings here. Plus it wants to intimidate other european people to leave the union. You never are to leave the "union", period.
Fianncially, the EU is in the strionge rposition and can make Britian bleed terribly. But Britain can strike back as hurtingly in other fields, withdrawing military support, nuclear deterrance and intel is one of these options.
I wish more Brits would have voted for Brexit. Then my reocmmendation would be to simply headdive into a hard Brexit, boycott negotitions that are started by the EU under such poisoned preconditions, swallow the blowback and do notcare for it while orienting itself elsewhere. May bercome cotsly for Brits, yes. Poinjt is: would become as devastatingly - if not more - for some other EU members (namely Germany), and Europe as a whole. Lets find out who has more at stake if you want to play ultra tough. - With a vote of 52:48, the majority and support for such going however is not solid enough.
Germany's position in the upcoming negotiations is schizophrenic. On the one hand it want to scare other EU members from leaving the EU, and thus wants to punish Britian, on the other hand Germany damages itself by that, since Britain is the most important trading partner and export destination in the EU. Every punishment of Britain is a punishment of almost equal proportion for Germany as well. Plus Germany compensates for the most of the British EU fees that in the future will not be paid by London anymore.
So if the French could manage to get the EU punishing Britian, they claim two goals: punishing Britain, and damaging Germany.
What comes from all this? In the long run I see a military dictatorship ruling Europe as the most likely scenario. To keep things together, more or less, but also to clean up the mess the EU has left behind.
And who knows - at the time this becomes real, it might not even be the worst option.
I wish more Brits would have voted for Brexit.
Well as the months gone by listening to phone in radio stations like LBC, a lot of them are saying lets get on with it and move on. This suggests yes they lost the vote but they are not stuck in the mud like some others who are preaching doom and gloom rubbing their hands with glee hoping it will all come crashing down. Has it crossed their minds if it did they too will get hit by it.
Sturgeon signs independence vote requesthttp://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-39449459
So Sturgeon is going though with it, the fall of the SNP has been sealed. I predict they will loose 15 to 20 seats in 2020 general election.
Jimbuna
03-31-17, 08:41 AM
Thanks Jim, certainly she needs the local support; I had only looked at the outside impression, but it of course makes sense.
If the Eu gets their lousy brains together they will not try to make it harder than necessary, at least i hope so.
Both sides of the negotiating table will have their strategies already worked out and I suspect the major players (those with the most at risk) will be looking for a fair and workable outcome.
It is the greater number of minor players in the background (I'll not name them but they are all net receivers) who have little to lose that will need to be held in check, if that is possible.
Skybird
03-31-17, 04:38 PM
The EU has given Spain a direct veto right by supporting Spanish claims for Gibraltar. A direct jump-kick by the EU into the UK's genitals. Your hope for a fair outcome already is in ruins, Jim. The EU is set to take as much revenge on impertinent little Britian as it can. Promised. You renitent islanders must be taught a lesson that will echo through history for generations to come: "One does not show the EU to the door!" Nobody on the continent shall ever dare again to follow in your footsteps.
I say give them the rock back after we have blown it up. :03:
Skybird
03-31-17, 05:45 PM
I would not mind to hand over such places like Gibraltar and the Falklands, after all they have no geographic connection to the British Fatherland. But: both places have had referendums by the local residents where in case of Gibraltar 98% or 99% of the people said they do not want to fall under Spanish rule or do not want to have shared government by both countries, but want to stay British. Case closed? Not really, 96% of the residents also said they want to stay in the EU last year when beign called to vote on Brexit. Maybe they should immediately have a new referendum or at least a polling of all residents so that we learn whether they want to leave the eU together with the UK, or want to stay in the EU and leave the UK, since this is the choice now. The will of the local residents is the utmost top priority - and every wannabe-landlord who wants to own the place, but does not, has to live with it: in this scenario - and in any other. Same is true for the Falklands. Heck, its not the medieval anymore were feudal castes claimed to own peasants.
As always I only demand that if they split with the UK, they must be able to come up for their bills all by themselves - if they join Spain after a split with London, this is just another new "country" that is a net receiver, and even if the Spaniards pay for their bills, these bills then will again indirectly be financed by the EU. I am strictly against any new members into the EU who do not pay in at least as much as they take out of it, may it be Catalunya, Scotland, wales, Ireland or Gibraltar. No additional net receivers, no matter who it is. Also, this is no issue of written laws. When London claims it can decide whether a Scottish referendum and independence is legitm ate or not, or when Madrid claism it can decide that the referendum in Catalunya is "illegal", they are against most profound human rights, and their claim is invalid and theior constitution criminal in these detailed regards. There is no such thing as slavery, and one poeple owning another. At least there shall be none.
Oh, the irony.:haha:
http://i.imgur.com/M8ofZ4I.jpg
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/62rplw/sturgeon_pretending_to_be_thatcher/
Nicola Sturgeon: Scotland's revenge for Margaret Thatcher.
Mike.:03:
Catfish
04-01-17, 06:09 AM
Oh, the irony.:haha: [...]
Nicola Sturgeon: Scotland's revenge for Margaret Thatcher.
Mike.:03:
:haha:
Well we will see. As long as e.g. Gibraltar's inhabitants vote for staying with the UK instead of Spain (which i'd understand :03:), there's not much chance for Spain to get it back.
I have mixed emotions about the coming negotiations, and development of EU and England/UK. The EU is more than an economical union, it is a lot about shared values; and when you have been abroad in the last ten years you will find this feeling and internationalism almost everywhere in the EU. Give and take a few Reichsbuerger or Great leader Farage's UKIP :D
The EU has of course an interest to keep the "rest" (lol) together, on the other hand the more free countries feel within the EU, the more will is there to stay. Any punishing of quitters would have a direct impact on the general perception of the EU, also inside.
There is of course a lot of sabre rattling, the show must go on after all. I think and hope the negotiations will be a lot more neutral and level than what Fox News, The Sun or Bild make of it.
Oh, the irony.:haha:
Maybe Nicola Sturgeon is a closet Margaret Thatcher, can't wait till wee Nicola come out saying...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ-M0KEFm9I
Jimbuna
04-01-17, 06:49 AM
:haha:
Well we will see. As long as e.g. Gibraltar's inhabitants vote for staying with the UK instead of Spain (which i'd understand :03:), there's not much chance for Spain to get it back.
I have mixed emotions about the coming negotiations, and development of EU and England/UK. The EU is more than an economical union, it is a lot about shared values; and when you have been abroad in the last ten years you will find this feeling and internationalism almost everywhere in the EU. Give and take a few Reichsbuerger or Great leader Farage's UKIP :D
The EU has of course an interest to keep the "rest" (lol) together, on the other hand the more free countries feel within the EU, the more will is there to stay. Any punishing of quitters would have a direct impact on the general perception of the EU, also inside.
There is of course a lot of sabre rattling, the show must go on after all. I think and hope the negotiations will be a lot more neutral and level than what Fox News, The Sun or Bild make of it.
Pretty much how I feel and see it :yep:
Jimbuna
04-01-17, 06:53 AM
The EU has given Spain a direct veto right by supporting Spanish claims for Gibraltar. A direct jump-kick by the EU into the UK's genitals. Your hope for a fair outcome already is in ruins, Jim. The EU is set to take as much revenge on impertinent little Britian as it can. Promised. You renitent islanders must be taught a lesson that will echo through history for generations to come: "One does not show the EU to the door!" Nobody on the continent shall ever dare again to follow in your footsteps.
All wind and pee at the moment Sky....early days and much about what Catfish posted earlier.
Spain would be foolish to annoy one of their greatest sources of income....the British tourist.
Both sides have too much to lose and so much to gain but the latter can only come about if a sensible conclusion/agreement is reached.
Gibraltar voted 60/40 to stay in the EU so we should get shot of that bloody millstone saving the UK some well needed money. :03:
Skybird
04-01-17, 07:05 AM
What people overlook is that the EU today is not designed to be a "democracy", that is just facade, it is intentionally designed to be a non-democratic something. A system that allows politicians to reign and rule no mater what people and populations demand and vote for. See the EU constitution - it was denied by three nations' people - and the EU made it a boss issue and decided for it nevertheless - this time behind locked doors. More and more the EU regulates, lectures and paternalistically patronising people en detail in deeper and deeper reaching private parts of their private lives and family lives. It is a re-education and social re-engineering project, to create a new man that gives politicians the kind of "supportive" and servile population that they demand to have.
It is about dictatorship, for the same claimed lies we have hared in the GDR and the Sovjet empire: for peace and brotherhood, antiracism, social conformity, and so on. All the crap list of PC propaganda and socialist wet dreams.
Its not about democracy. Its about a tyrannic reign by the few self-declare elitists and attached monopolistic business lobbies and a cancer-like growing bureaucracy over the rest. The EU has no "democracy deficit", because it is not intended to be democratic anyway. At least not in a different meaning than the Volkskammer in the GDR was a democratic gremium as well. And they have no intention to leave it just to planned economy and planned business and planned money. People's lives increasingly get planned, too. If it continues to move on like in the past 20 years, in one to two generations our children will live in a regime that compares to the political conditions where the Chinese one to two generations ago have been. History loves irony.
The co-leaders of the Green Party have explained their party's proposals to introduce a three-day weekend.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39471102
Sounds good, people are working longer and longer and for what? The long term effect of this is health problems which will put a strain on the NHS.
Catfish
04-03-17, 06:40 AM
The co-leaders of the Green Party have explained their party's proposals to introduce a three-day weekend.
Sounds good, people are working longer and longer and for what? The long term effect of this is health problems which will put a strain on the NHS.
Three-day weekend :o. How do i apply for citizenship?
Regarding strain on the NHS, no problem. Nigel F. alreday said that the money the UK spares from the EU will easily balance that.. or not:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-nigel-farage-nhs-350-million-pounds-live-health-service-u-turn-a7102831.html
Word should already have spread that the most vocal brexit advocates were not entirely true in their promises. Let alone they all ran away at the day of their triumph. Surely not easy for May as a "remainer" who now has to fulfil the will of the referendum..
@Skybird: Now what is the EU, a dictatorship, or socialist?
Dictatorial socialism. One ruler, but all rule. And black is white.
B.t.w. all politicians or experts (or idiots, yes there are some) sitting in the EU are elected. Just to get those fake news back on the ground again.
Regarding strain on the NHS, no problem. Nigel F. alreday said that the money the UK spares from the EU will easily balance that.. or not:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-nigel-farage-nhs-350-million-pounds-live-health-service-u-turn-a7102831.html
:hmmm:
Any party that is not in government can promise a new golden age of enjoyment and UKIP is far from being a threat to the Tories with no MP's. As for Labour well they are the main opposition trouble is they are well and truly divided and heading for a landslide wash out at the next general election.
Put your money on the Tories. :03:
Catfish
04-03-17, 06:57 AM
[...] Put your money on the Tories. :03:
Thanks Steed. While i do not really like it maybe the Tories are the best what presently can happen to England, and the UK. If only for the lack of alternatives :hmmm:
Thanks Steed. While i do not really like it maybe the Tories are the best what presently can happen to England, and the UK. If only because of the lack of alternatives :hmmm:
We all in the UK know the Tories are swine and they don't hide it, unlike Labour who claim they are the nice party and then something comes to light.:o
Spain tells UK: 'Don't lose temper' over Gibraltar
Downing Street says there will be no task force sent to Gibraltar after Spain tells the UK to calm down amid rising tensions.http://news.sky.com/story/spain-tells-uk-dont-lose-temper-over-gibraltar-10823224
I say dump it, after all its full of chavs from what i hear from people who have left the rock and returned back to the UK.
Speaking of Spain:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu
https://stv.tv/news/politics/1384635-spain-would-not-block-independent-scotland-joining-eu/
Which has been their position all along - if Scotland secedes from the UK with the consent of the British Government then they have no problem with it joining the EU afterwards. If however Scotland does so without Westminster consent, i.e. UDI, then they will block (see Kosovo - Spain still regards that as part of Serbia). They would also block any attempt for Scotland to try retain it's (the UK's) EU membership - it would have to join the queue of countries wishing to join and start from scratch. As for how long such a process would actually take who knows.
Apart from the most blinkered of Nats, pretty much everyone I know knows full well that is the situation facing a potential Independant Scotland.
Now that the Spanish have stated their position I hope it scrubs the "Spain will veto Scotland joining the EU" meme - it never existed in the form that Scotland's detractors said it did.:timeout:
Mike.
Catfish
04-03-17, 08:54 AM
Well this is almost the same as what Spain has said all along. Scotland starting from scratch to apply would then take a long while it think.
Then North sea oil fields.. all new negotiations.
Scotland voted for remaining in the UK, but it certainly did so expecting the UK would stay in the EU and taking that for granted. So they in a way voted for the EU.
Is there any chance Scotland could remain in the EU without declaring independence? Frankly I do not see this to be possible, without the UK's members getting more individual freedom.
B.t.w. Since Trump officially and publicly favorises the downfall of the EU, does he also encourage the split-up of the UK already :03:
Sieh Dir den Tweet von @ComedyCentralUK an: https://twitter.com/ComedyCentralUK/status/847859783801737217?s=09
Sieh Dir den Tweet von @ComedyCentralUK an: https://twitter.com/ComedyCentralUK/status/847859783801737217?s=09
I think I need Brain Bleach(tm) after that last bit.....:Kaleun_Sick:
Mike.
Skybird
04-03-17, 12:23 PM
Well this is almost the same as what Spain has said all along. Scotland starting from scratch to apply would then take a long while it think.
Then North sea oil fields.. all new negotiations.
Scotland voted for remaining in the UK, but it certainly did so expecting the UK would stay in the EU and taking that for granted. So they in a way voted for the EU.
Is there any chance Scotland could remain in the EU without declaring independence? Frankly I do not see this to be possible, without the UK's members getting more individual freedom.
B.t.w. Since Trump officially and publicly favorises the downfall of the EU, does he also encourage the split-up of the UK already :03:
http://www.achgut.com/artikel/europa_hat_die_grosse_klappe_brittanien_den_hammer
PM would win 100-seat majority in snap election, says influential pollster
If the prime minister called a snap general election she would deliver a big win for the Conservatives, says an elections expert.http://news.sky.com/story/pm-would-win-100-seat-majority-in-snap-election-says-influential-pollster-10823677
Laughable to suggest that, a better figure would be between 40-50 seats.
As for this..
The party could lose up to 15 seats to the Liberal Democrats
Get out of town, I watch PMQ's and only seen Tim Farron once this year ask a question! Old Angus of the SNP is up every week asking any where from 1 to 5 questions. The LibDems are a dead lost and taking up space.
Catfish
04-03-17, 02:04 PM
Sieh Dir den Tweet von @ComedyCentralUK an: https://twitter.com/ComedyCentralUK/status/847859783801737217?s=09
I I I don't know what to say :o
And the last five seconds!? :rotfl2:
Catfish
04-03-17, 02:12 PM
http://www.achgut.com/artikel/europa_hat_die_grosse_klappe_brittanien_den_hammer
Heinsohn? Ich glaube die Achse des Guten ist stark nach rechts verbogen. :03:
It is shortsighted to explain everything with economical theories.
Jimbuna
04-03-17, 04:51 PM
Speaking of Spain:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu
https://stv.tv/news/politics/1384635-spain-would-not-block-independent-scotland-joining-eu/
Which has been their position all along - if Scotland secedes from the UK with the consent of the British Government then they have no problem with it joining the EU afterwards. If however Scotland does so without Westminster consent, i.e. UDI, then they will block (see Kosovo - Spain still regards that as part of Serbia). They would also block any attempt for Scotland to try retain it's (the UK's) EU membership - it would have to join the queue of countries wishing to join and start from scratch. As for how long such a process would actually take who knows.
Apart from the most blinkered of Nats, pretty much everyone I know knows full well that is the situation facing a potential Independant Scotland.
Now that the Spanish have stated their position I hope it scrubs the "Spain will veto Scotland joining the EU" meme - it never existed in the form that Scotland's detractors said it did.:timeout:
Mike.
Thanks for that....most insightful :yep:
Skybird
04-03-17, 05:28 PM
Heinsohn? Ich glaube die Achse des Guten ist stark nach rechts verbogen. :03:
It is shortsighted to explain everything with economical theories.
Not to mention his strong fundament in sociology and social pedagogy, also history and descriptive demography. To know that all about him,one needs to know his biography, however - or have to read a bit of his books. I have. Have you?
He is not right-leaning. He just is not socialist and not politically correct, that is all. But that is enough in Germany today to swing the Nazi hammer against the guilty heretic already.
Skybird
04-05-17, 04:43 AM
Profound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdG57lgHFaA
Jimbuna
04-05-17, 07:14 AM
MEPs agree Brexit negotiation plan....the Red Lines.
A little harsh on the UK in my estimation but it is early days and at least both sides now know each others starting positions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39501876
Skybird
04-05-17, 08:58 AM
After the Spaniards moved over Scotland to encourage a Scottish rebellion of the kind they deny to their own Catalunya region, the latest Spanish move to maximise the pain and problems for the UK was to move a Spanish frigate into Gibraltarian waters.
This all is a negotiation between a self-perceived punisher and his claimed offender. Do not expect fairness or reason in these negotiations. If the UK is willing to even use force to keep Gibraltar, this is the time to send in the needed reinforcements to make a Spanish coup as costly as possible. Because, like in case of the Falklands, a re-conquering by the UK after any of these territories got lost, looks almost impossible nowadays. The Falkland war to retake the islands was in the early 80s, and it would not be possible anymore today.
You think such a war today over Gibraltar is impossible to imagine? Think again. To use a foreign demon to distract from innerpolitical problems and economic problems, is never out of date, and if you look at the stockmarkets and their insanely overpriced indices, you can easily see that the outbreak of the next shockwave of symptoms for the paper money crisis probably is just around the corner. It will hit Spain hard. And it will hit everybody else harder than 2008. Appealing to the plebs' lower emotions and national sentiments is the best that can happen to a government in such a situation.
Thats how the Falkland war started as well.
Jimbuna
04-05-17, 09:18 AM
^ The potential for the above is really quite interesting and mind boggling at the same time....a NATO country attacks another NATO country and eventually sanctions are imposed by the UN meaning Spain can no longer trade with the EU :hmmm:
Add to the above the loss of revenue from a drop in Brit tourists and the fact we'll unleash the Barbary Apes on the first Spaniard to cross the border onto British sovereign territory :)
All hypothetical of course :03:
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.