UK Politics Thread

[Mr Quatro]

It is expected the EU will grant yet another extention lasting up to December next year.

:hmmm::o:wah::timeout::oops::down::/\\!!:lost:

[Jimbuna]

Thanks jim, probably would have put two and two together. :up:

Rotten headache today making hard to think. :arrgh!:

My apologies for the lack of clarity and detail but what I was actually referring to was the transition period agreed should a deal be achieved of fourteen months duration (ending December 2020) to achieve an agreement on a trade deal.

The UK would stay in the single market and customs union but not be part of the EU’s decision-making bodies.

One problem being, the EU now believe it would take a minimum of three year to reach said trade deal.

[Jimbuna]

The Tories have eventually won a Parliamentary vote.

The Withdrawal Agreement was passed 329-299.

Next vote is the crucial programme motion.

Boris Johnson has said he will ditch the bill altogether if MPs reject the programme motion.

[Jimbuna]

The second vote is beaten 308-322 so hopefully we will now see a general election sooner rather than later.

Looks like the turkeys couldn't resist voting for christmas.

[Skybird]

Somebody in the UK should found a protest movement named Extension Rebellion and block the door to Westminster, not allowing them to move out until they are done.

Tusk recommends EU members to allow extension until end of January.

I think he did not mention a year, though. LOL

[mapuc]

Regarding this recommendation for another extension

Catfish posted a very funny picture in our Funny picture thread.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Somebody in the UK should found a protest movement named Extension Rebellion and block the door to Westminster, not allowing them to move out until they are done.

Tusk recommends EU members to allow extension until end of January.

I think he did not mention a year, though. LOL

Boris can now demonstrate he has done everything within his power to achieve Brexit and both the SNP and Steptoes lot are on record as having said they will agree to a general election if and when a no deal has been achieved.

All the above boxes have been ticked so hopefully it is just a case of how quickly can an election happen?

Once an election is called, there has to be a gap of at least five weeks before polling day.

That's because the law requires Parliament to dissolve 25 working days before the election.

At this point, politicians stop being MPs and campaign for re-election, if they choose to stand again.

Traditionally, UK elections are held on a Thursday. So, if an election were triggered before Thursday 24 October, the earliest date the poll could take place is Thursday 28 November.

So now we must wait and see.

[Jimbuna]

Bernard Jenkin increases criticism of John Bercow amid Brexit uncertainty

Sir Bernard Jenkin has stepped up his criticism of John Bercow after the Brexit process appeared to stall on Tuesday and the Commons Speaker prepared to step down.

Mr Bercow on Monday rejected a Government bid to hold a meaningful vote on Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal on the basis it would be “repetitive and disorderly” to do so.

On Tuesday he said the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement Bill) was “in limbo”.

Mr Bercow had come under fire on Monday from Brexit-backing MPs, including the Conservatives’ Sir Bernard, who said it was “becoming remarkable” how often Mr Bercow pleases “one lot and not the other lot”.

The Harwich and North Essex MP, who is also the chairman of the Commons Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee, on Wednesday raised questions about Mr Bercow’s impartiality and the future of the Speaker’s role.

“I had plenty of frustrations with his predecessors, but, as colleagues will attest, it was not in my character to criticise a Speaker’s ruling, even in private, let alone on the floor of the House of Commons, before this week,” Sir Bernard wrote in The Daily Telegraph.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bernard-jenkin-increases-criticism-of-john-bercow-amid-brexit-uncertainty/ar-AAJcUrV?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

There are a growing number of MPs feeling this way and I think his retirement date 31st October iirc can't come quick enough.

I doubt he will get the customary knighthood usually afforded to retired speakers either.

https://i.postimg.cc/SsfMKtVg/74534840-10157675572230912-3335417790428348416-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[STEED]

All the above boxes have been ticked so hopefully it is just a case of how quickly can an election happen?

You can rule out this time of the year evenings getting darker and colder now and with Xmas on the horizon most people are not interested.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/4ycs3xD6/72984155-2861506913861342-5611642078103601152-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Skybird]

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland %2Fbrexit-das-no-deal-risiko-steigt-a-1292949.html

[Jimbuna]

The Shadow Home Secretary is acting herself again :haha:

https://i.postimg.cc/mDCZTGP1/73495281-1393589470819472-459020820124008448-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

re Bercow and the comments here the tabloid papers have obviously had a field day.

As long as groups like Mogg's European research group ERG (lmao) loathe him he is doing something right.

[mapuc]

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The last two days I have, in this thread seen picture or words indicating John Bercow wasn't neutral

This I don't understand, have several times been told a bill can't be raised two times in the Parliament, if there haven't been any changed to this bill or other things

Boris J. presented this bill for the Parliament on Saturday, where the Politicians decided to postpone it. Boris tried to present the same bill again Monday. This was denied by the speaker of the house

Then I understood it...

And it made me wonder

The Parliament didn't vote Saturday, so how can they deny Boris to present this bill a second time...

Markus

[Skybird]

And it made me wonder

The Parliament didn't vote Saturday, so how can they deny Boris to present this bill a second time...



This is the question, the answer to which Bercow probably plans to take with him into his grave.


Truth is he already has annoucned his retirement for Octobre 31st, I think. So he must not fear for his career anymore. A german proverb: Ist der Ruf erst ruiniert, lebt sich's gänzlich ungeniert...

[Catfish]

Mapuc, the deal had already been voted for, and rejected by the majority. There is no point (even disallowed in english parliament) to vote again for the same question.
" … the same question cannot be put to MPs more than once within the same parliamentary session."

[Skybird]

The vote you talk about has NOT been carried out. It was withdrawn before the voting took place. Bercow incredibly stretched the limits to cover with his excuse a ground that cannot be covered by it. Thats why it is not convincing, and thats why it attracts quite some criticsm. And adds to the already existing bitterness.

[skidman]

On Tuesday he said the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement Bill) was “in limbo”.

And a few minutes later he delivered the technical explanation (The WA Bill can not be processed, because the second Bill that contains the recipe for the process was voted against, so the WA Bill is stationary).

The real embarrassing moment on Tuesday night was when Rees-Mogg tried to explain why the House was not allowed sufficient time to evaluate that proposed Bill. What a greasy slimeball!

Back to "limbo": It becomes more and more obvious, that a growing share of the MPs is facing "limbus infantium" while the remainder happily settles for purgatory.

[Jimbuna]

Downing Street has dismissed reports of disagreements within Boris Johnson's government over how to move forward with the Brexit process.

No 10 has indicated the PM will seek a snap poll if the EU proposes delaying the Brexit deadline until January.

And so the futility goes on and on and on and on....

[Mr Quatro]

And so the futility goes on and on and on and on.... :oops::yep:

[Jimbuna]

My guess is that some of the Cabinet will want to get the Withdrawal Agreement Bill through Parliament and others will want a General Election.

[Skybird]

It is my understandign that Johnson cannot enforce elections all by himself, or can he? Labour said yes to elections, but whether they mean it, is somethign totally different. They must know what to expect from elections, and they cannot like it. Also, their current position of just delaying and putting the PM under pressure, is most comfortable for them.

[Catfish]

The vote you talk about has NOT been carried out. [...] .
Please?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50095368

" [...] the government lost by just 16 votes, by 322 to 306. It was due to be followed by a vote on the main government motion - whether or not to back the deal. But the motion, as amended, was approved by MPs without a vote, as the government effectively accepted defeat."

Whatever, it was done by ministers of parliamant, not Bercow's decision.

[Jimbuna]

It is my understandign that Johnson cannot enforce elections all by himself, or can he? Labour said yes to elections, but whether they mean it, is somethign totally different. They must know what to expect from elections, and they cannot like it. Also, their current position of just delaying and putting the PM under pressure, is most comfortable for them.

Rather than type an essay in response to your question regarding an election I'll choose the easy/lazy route and post a link to all the options below :03:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49004486

All options are explained from about half way down.

[Skybird]

Rather than type an essay in response to your question regarding an election I'll choose the easy/lazy route and post a link to all the options below :03:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49004486

All options are explained from about half way down.


And there you have it, it seems:


"Labour says it will support an early election, but only once the risk of a no deal Brexit is "off the table."



If the WAB is retreated by Johnson, as he threatened, there is no banning of a risk of no-deal-Brexit. And if the WAB gets puished through parliament and accoridng legislation would be - or would have been - accepted as well, then the new trade negotiatiosn with thte EU possibly could end in no result within any timeframe anyway, again then meaning: no deal Brexit.


Whatever the scenario is - Labour cna always choose to claim that there is no banning of the risk of no-deal brexit, and therefore not supporting early elections, referring to its own words.


This is if the inkpissing and paragraphriding and hairsplitting is put too such extremes as it is common today everywhere. The form commands over the content it should serve. Mess must be the consequence.


And I have started to loose the ability to keep track of all the possible outcomes and implications.


I was wrong when saiyng this war is over and the new war is abotu to beging. There will not come a new war, as I called it, because the old one will never end. I still underestimated the determination to conspire against a productive proceeding in steps and decisions.



If they keep playing it this way, there will be no elections before 2022.



Gordian knots do not get untangled. They do get cut through. And that requires force. Else the UK and to serious degrees the eU economy will suffocate in self-paralysis. its not as if the EU suffers a lack of relevance in the world (or the UK all alone by itself). And the challenges in the world do not grow slower. None of us can afford to endure this paralysis going on year for year.

[Jimbuna]

The SNP and Lib Dems are in favour of an election after 31st October so it may well not matter what Steptoe thinks and wants.

The SNP on the grounds that they will win an even greater number of seats therefore strengthening their position on an independence referendum and the Lib Dems on the grounds that the electorate are getting so fed up of the whole situation they may prefer the Lib Dems current policy of revoking Article 50.

My own suspicion being that the electorate have witnessed Boris trying his best against the odds and may well put a majority Tory government in power to put an end to this debacle one way or the other.

[Skybird]

Please?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50095368

" [...] the government lost by just 16 votes, by 322 to 306. It was due to be followed by a vote on the main government motion - whether or not to back the deal. But the motion, as amended, was approved by MPs without a vote, as the government effectively accepted defeat."

Whatever, it was done by ministers of parliamant, not Bercow's decision.
The Letvin amendement did not vote on the proposal, but delayed voting on it until amended cinditojns are met. After that result, Johnson withdrew his proosal - and so there was no vote on it held. Bercow now argued that the Letvon amendement was a voting on what it did not vote on for sure, which is why I see his decison as biased and corrupted. And many others see it this way as well. Johnson just complied to tradition, politeness and language formalities afterwards.



They did not vote on Johnsons proposals. instead they said they will not vote on it until certain condtions are met.

[Jimbuna]

This email is only a few minutes old and is from one of my not so favourite people in Steptoes gang.

DELETED!!

Jim, are your friends and family all registered to vote?

Because when I first entered an all-White Parliament in the historic election of 1987, alongside Bernie Grant, Paul Boateng and Keith Vaz, this was how we won.

This Black History Month I look proudly back at our achievement, the result of a decade of African-Caribbean and Asian members organising in communities, in Trade Unions and in the Labour Party Black Sections. And today I look proudly at our Labour movement in all its diversity, and the supporters of all backgrounds who believe that ordinary people need a real say in how their country is run.

We know that for people to have a voice, we have to make sure they can vote.

As Labour supporters we know now, as we knew then, that to help our communities, we need to fight for their voice in Parliament. In '87 we reached out to everyone we knew, signed them up to vote, and turned them out at elections. Jim, we have to do it again. That's why I'm reaching out to you now.

With the stakes this high, we need to make sure everyone we know is able to vote. Can you spare just two minutes today?
Call your family and friends


Message your family and friends and check they're registered to vote.

Ask friends & family

Email your contacts


Forward an email to your contacts and encourage them to register.

Voting by post is a safe, reliable way to make your voice heard, so register today.

Register for a postal vote

Back then, our movement fought against the racist SUS laws, which saw BAME people routinely stopped and searched based on 'suspicion' not evidence. We protested racist restrictions on immigration and fought against the fascist National Front. Today, these same policies are still being peddled by the Tories.

No matter who we are, we've chosen to be part of an incredible movement that stands shoulder to shoulder to fight against these policies and for a better future for all.

But Jim, if like me you're from an ethnic minority background I want to speak to you personally now.

We know that these people do not represent the needs or reflect the realities of our communities. To combat these policies, we need to get organised – now. History shows us our voices will only be heard when we come together.

So I'm proud that Labour is consulting our BAME members to help write our manifesto. To do that, we've developed the Race and Faith consultation for our members to make suggestions ahead of the coming General Election. Jim, will you fill it in?
I'll help write our Race and Faith manifesto

32 years ago, I walked into Parliament. This month, I was the first Black MP to stand at the despatch box to deliver PMQs. I look forward to being the first of many to do so – together, the future is ours to make. This child of the Windrush generation is so proud to be part of a Labour movement led by Jeremy Corbyn that is pushing forward a progressive agenda to put power and wealth in the hands of the many.

In solidarity,

Signed, Diane Abbott MP, Shadow Home Secretary

Diane Abbott MP

Shadow Home Secretary

[Skybird]

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theeuropean.de%2Fwolfram-weimer%2Flpremierminister-leo-varadkar-hat-gut-gepokert%2F


On Ireland and Irish interests.



In fact, the recent Brexit compromise has made Northern Ireland seem more economically bound to Ireland than Britain. London correspondent Sebastian Borger even diagnoses: "For the first time in the 800 years of Anglo-Irish history, the smaller country has greater weight than the former Empire - at least as long as the European solidarity carries."

[Jimbuna]

PM says he will give MPs more time to debate Brexit deal but only if they agree to 12 December general election.

The eyes of the people are all on Steptoe now and Boris has played his ace.

"You said you wanted an election weeks ago but turned the deal down because of the three day debate deadline. Here is the lengthy timeframe you want so what do you say now about an election?"

The above quotes are of my making but Steptoe now has a choice in what decision to come to or he will have turned down/rejected all options even when his initial objections has been taken away.

Me thinks now is the time to pee or get off the pot.

Oh and btw the initial objection to the original three day debate time and the call for a longer debate is Steptoes lot tactic to come up with an amendment to the bill on offer which will include a second referendum.

You read it here first :salute:

[STEED]

PM says he will try for 12 December election

Boris Johnson says he will give MPs more time to debate Brexit deal but only if they agree to 12 December general election.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50174402

FAT CHANCE.

Labour will not bite and many tories don't want it.

[STEED]

This email is only a few minutes old and is from one of my not so favourite people in Steptoes gang.

DELETED!!

I would have said, Go away.

What a bloody cheek that email was you got jim.

[Jimbuna]

Probably my fault because I didn't unsubscribe after I left the party.

[STEED]

Probably my fault because I didn't unsubscribe after I left the party.

To that party under the leadership of that madman stop stop sending me emails.

Big Jim


There you go jim short and sweet. :)

[Jimbuna]

If I'm to be totally honest I consider them to have an element of entertainment value.

[Jimbuna]

Deja vu as France digs in heels over extension

As Westminster waits and the prime minister calls for an official EU decision to be made, France is acting as a spoke in the wheels. Much as it did back in spring when leaders debated the April Brexit extension.

A consensus is forming amongst most EU countries, including powerful Germany, to grant the three-month delay outlined in Boris Johnson's letter to Brussels requesting a new Brexit extension. They hope to formally announce this on Friday. Ambassadors representing the 27 EU leaders are expected to meet mid-morning in Brussels.

But France worries a 12-week extension could encourage more UK indecisiveness or a general election which may prove inconclusive on Brexit.

President Emmanuel Macron favours a short, sharp Brexit delay; encouraging MPs and the UK government to concentrate on ratifying the newly-negotiated Brexit deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50171649

Macron is nearing the end of his tether and I can't say I blame him.

[Jimbuna]

MPs have approved the Queen's Speech, which sets out Boris Johnson's priorities for the parliamentary session, by 310 votes to 294.

Labour and SNP amendments criticising the speech were rejected.

The chancellor said the speech delivered on "people's priorities", but Labour said it only offered "a few cynical publicity stunt commitments".

The Queen's Speech sets out 26 bills, covering areas including Brexit, criminal justice and the NHS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50171547

Tis a pity they can't agree on much else.

[STEED]

is nearing the end of his tether and I can't say I blame him.
https://neonnettle.com/news/images/macron-yellow-vests-hateful-mobs-racists-12119.jpgMAN UP BORIS SACK PSYCHO DOMINIC NOW!

[Skybird]

So Johnson says he wants elections in decembre.


Well, so far he wanted a lot. And got practically nothing. At least what you want and what you get are two different things.



Why would Labour want elections now? Chances are their position weakens with elections, so why would they want to agree to elections?

[Jimbuna]

Are you perhaps missing the point Sky?

For a few months now Labour have been demanding an election. Next they said they would agree if a Brexit extention was granted and that is looking increasingly likely.

Next they refused to have an election and refused the WAB saying that only three days of debate wasn't enough.

Boris has said here's your WAB debate extention in return for a December election and it is looking increasingly likely they will refuse that.

So precisely what on Gods earth is Steptoe after?

I should imagine the electorate will turn against Labour in droves if they continue to block progress repeatedly.

[Jimbuna]

https://neonnettle.com/news/images/macron-yellow-vests-hateful-mobs-racists-12119.jpgMAN UP BORIS SACK PSYCHO DOMINIC NOW!

https://i.postimg.cc/0QRJ5d0t/5xejjuhp8w331.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[mapuc]

Are you perhaps missing the point Sky?

For a few months now Labour have been demanding an election. Next they said they would agree if a Brexit extention was granted and that is looking increasingly likely.

Next they refused to have an election and refused the WAB saying that only three days of debate wasn't enough.

Boris has said here's your WAB debate extention in return for a December election and it is looking increasingly likely they will refuse that.

So precisely what on Gods earth is Steptoe after?

I should imagine the electorate will turn against Labour in droves if they continue to block progress repeatedly.

Could he be fishing for a second referendum and until this happens if it does...uphold(not the correct word) the Parliament as long he can do it...meaning do anything to prevent a brexit

Markus

[Catfish]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ETPN9cFUo58

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/yN4QGT6V/2x9lcw.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

Jean-Claude Juncker accuses Boris Johnson of spreading 'lies' during Leave campaign.

I'm not saying I disagree with him but the timing of this announcement is a little questionable.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-news-jean-claude-juncker-accuses-boris-johnson-of-spreading-lies-during-leave-campaign/ar-AAJkdiN?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

[Skybird]

Jpohnson is a notorious liar, it seems, all life long, so to speak. That is no question, but known sinc elong. Question is why so many voters beoleived him nevertheless? Question also is whether this can be an excuse to rig laws and rules and to repeat as often as wanted, since lying is integral part of politics and every career politician tries to bribe his voters with fairy tales and debt-raising "presents" (that the gifted in the end have to pay for, and with interest).


Its time to replace the voters and get a more educated and competent electorate.

[Jimbuna]

That is easier said than done because peoples beliefs have been ingrained since birth.

[Skybird]

Which pretty much sums up why I am against a general right to vote, since a couple of years. I demand that political and voting decisons are not made due to "habit", or "belief" of "family tradition"".I would rather prefer to flip a coin, like it was tried in ancient Greece at times. Not that it workd that much better, where there is a will to corrupt a system, it will be done. When you want to vote, two conditions must be filfilled: you must have more own contributions to the system/community in the fire than you have net benefits, and you must have the reason and competence and a sense of responsibility that is able and willing to look beyond yourself. in other words, this modern idea of democracy with its holy status for elections has the same flaw like socialism/Marxism: it bases on a totally illusional, unrealistic idea of man. We are not like this. And that is why both system do not work as advertised. They adress the wrong species.


Meanwhile a survey that shows how toxic the climate in Britain seems to have become:


https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/news/view/1709008-future-of-england-survey-reveals-public-attitudes-towards-brexit-and-the-union

[STEED]

The only way Bojo is going to get his election is to take "no deal" off the table or to put it another way call Labour's bluff. As for myself I will not be voting because of many issues.

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile a survey that shows how toxic the climate in Britain seems to have become:




Those stats and in particular the ones referring to violence are really quite shocking!!

[Skybird]

Those stats and in particular the ones referring to violence are really quite shocking!!
Only for a British gentleman. :D

I am not surprised that much, I admit. I expect some comarable effect for America as well. We have had comparing statements about eco fascists in Germany as well.

The polarization is advancing everywhere, on all levels, I would say. The media culture of the present fosters the development.

[STEED]

Politician's fart around while the smouldering embers start fires. :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Only for a British gentleman. :D

Certainly can't be referring to me, I've been on the receiving end of such violence and believe you me, it wasn't very nice :03:

[Jimbuna]

EU ambassadors have agreed to delay Brexit, but will not make a decision on a new deadline date until next week.

[Mr Quatro]

Certainly can't be referring to me, I've been on the receiving end of such violence and believe you me, it wasn't very nice :03:

OT: I was threatened with death one time and called it in only to be told, "Sorry sir we can't do anything about threats, but if he does do something be sure to call us back" :o

[Jimbuna]

I'd have thought making death threats would have been a crime :hmmm:

[Skybird]

So far the French stay adamant and do not want a long extension. Mid-Novembre at max, one heard. The EU decision on Friday on a specific term was delayed due to the French, they agreed only to the principle delay, but not the length others wanted. From the French government one hears that they have strong doubts on what an extension will positively acchieve, and what it should be used for. Just wanted or just planned elections, it was said, is not enough to justify an extrension - they will consider extension for elections only when these elections are sure and certain and have agreed on by all relevant powers in British politics, must not yet be agreed on in the future.



If they stick to this line next week, Corbyn has a big problem that he maybe did not expect.

[Catfish]

I have a lot of sympathy for England, or make that the UK.
I still think that keeping up the EU would be better for everyone, but since the elder folks in England defeated the young and decided their future.. with your special relationship to Trump:
Do what you think you must, but please stop wasting everybody's time.

[mapuc]

It's almost Christmas and we all know what our kids wish for Christmas

Markus

[em2nought]

I was going to say that if British gentlemen all owned Lee-Enfields there would be less farting around, but the democrats are farting around in the USA and the opposition is armed for bear. :03:

https://20401z3eigij1ugd3g2szg83-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/lee-enfield-virginiatoolworksDOTcom.jpg

[skidman]

Do what you think you must, but please stop wasting everybody's time.

They are not wasting our time. We are taught a lesson: A nation can lose its social cohesion, jeopardise its economic strength, lose its good reputation, and make a mockery of itself for absolutely no good reason at all. And all we have seen so far is just the beginning.

[Skybird]

And again French sources have said they insist on an extension limited to Novembre 15th and then no further one anymore. It seems they mean it. There are some others as well supporting them, bu not beign that open about it.


On the other side stands Germany and the commission. Whioch is not good for the UK, since Macronman seems to have decided some time ago that he will do better by not obeying but opposing German moves in the EU. A personal issue between him and Merkel is also a factor, I am quite certain. When Macronman started to fly aroudn as president, she treated him condescendingly and lectured him like a little kid, many of his socilaist wet dream for a continetal banking union and unemplyoment insurrance agency and continetal social wellfare, were ignored by Germany (thank god, but the resistence if waning). Seems he has a memory. And many eyes at home staring at him. Most busienss and industry across Europe seems to say: no matter what, just get it done, just do not stall this any longer.

[STEED]

I agree with him but still not good enough. The EU should set a final date and say that is it no more sod off and get on with it. While they fart around at their end our useless lot will continue to drag it out, cut the bloody life line and maybe our lot will get on with it.

[Jimbuna]

It's almost Christmas and we all know what our kids wish for Christmas

Markus

Nice one :haha:

[Jimbuna]

The production of thousands of special commemorative Brexit coins has been put on hold amid continuing uncertainty over when the UK will leave the EU.

The Royal Mint had been asked to make new 50p pieces featuring the 31 October date on which the UK was due to leave and a message of "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations".

The Queen approved the order at a recent Privy Council meeting.

But the Treasury said the initiative had now been "paused".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50184045

Some people would find it really difficult to organise a drinking session in a brewery :03:

[Jimbuna]

Laura Kuenssbergs take on how Labour might respond to a general election

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50177244

[Catfish]

"The Royal Mint had been asked to make new 50p pieces featuring the 31 October date on which the UK was due to leave and a message of "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations".
Pure comedy Gold! You give 27 other nations the finger and then this? Laughable.
Or was this an idea of Cummings? :haha:

The Queen approved the order at a recent Privy Council meeting.
Who exactly cares? :hmmm:

ok i know it is about this 50p piece has been postponed, but.. really :doh:

[Jimbuna]

Some people would find it really difficult to organise a drinking session in a brewery :03:

I think you may have missed the sarcasm in the above.

[Catfish]

I see it, but it gets much deeper than that, don't you think so?
This idea alone is a punch in the face, or at least an insult. What is why i ask wo gave the order?

[Jimbuna]

Presumably a government official but on whose instruction it is impossible to tell at our level.

I'd have thought a cabinet minister after discussing the matter with the PM.

[Jimbuna]

Lib Dems and SNP set to offer Johnson path to snap election

The Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National Party have joined forces to back a change in the law to try to trigger a general election in December, which would give Boris Johnson the snap poll he has been demanding. The prime minister has proposed holding an election on 12 December but needs two-thirds of the 650 MPs in parliament to back his plan in a Commons vote on Monday.

The two parties' MPs have drawn up a bill that would allow Mr Johnson to secure a December election with a simple majority of MPs, by-passing the need for two-thirds support. The draft law would grant an election on 9 December - three days before the PM's proposed date and, crucially, when more students are still at university to cast their votes in Remain-supporting target swing seats.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/lib-dems-and-snp-set-to-offer-johnson-path-to-snap-election/ar-AAJpuji?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Could this be a positive step forward or just the dawn of yet more false hope?

[Jimbuna]

Conservative Party chairman James Cleverly has dismissed as a "gimmick" an attempt from the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National Party to trigger a 9 December election.

He said the government - which wants a poll three days later on 12 December - had put forward its plan first.

But Lib Dem Jo Swinson said their plan removes the threat of no-deal through a Brexit extension to 31 January.

She said the bill would enshrine their proposed election date into law.

The Lib Dems and SNP have said they reject the government's election date, which they believe would include time for the PM to "ram through" his Brexit Bill.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50199682

It would appear I spoke too early :doh:

[STEED]

Same old trash...:roll:

SACK THE BLOODY LOT OF THEM NOW!

[Jimbuna]

Unfortunately :yep:

[Skybird]

What is needed is a Game of Thrones 9th season, and then a red wedding in every episode. a different and new one in every single episode.

[Skybird]

EU agrees to extension of - for now - January 31st.


Worthless Macron show.

[Jimbuna]

EU Council President Donald Tusk said it was a "flextension" - meaning the UK could leave before the deadline if a deal was approved by Parliament.

Well that's a new one on me :)

[Jimbuna]

The BBC's assistant Political Editor Norman Smith said the decision saw a no-deal Brexit taken off the table - which will increase the pressure on MPs to decide on a general election.

https://i.postimg.cc/qvvSnV09/69971422-3064072150276553-3223692037358354432-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Skybird]

[Flextension] Well that's a new one on me :)
Reminds me of some German politician, some backseater, who many years ago in some long-forgotten context talked of a "variable ultimatum whose terms could be negotiated according to both side's needs". :har:

[STEED]

All set for what we all know...

Here are the answers ahead of time....

Conservative General election....REJECTED

LibDems/SNP General election....REJECTED

So there is no need to tune in to watch a load morron's strutting around like peacocks with big feathers. :doh:

[Jimbuna]

Reminds me of some German politician, some backseater, who many years ago in some long-forgotten context talked of a "variable ultimatum whose terms could be negotiated according to both side's needs". :har:

Yep, you simply couldn't make this ridiculous scenario up :)

[Jimbuna]

Johnson agrees to Brexit extension - but urges election

Labour has "run out of excuses" for opposing an early general election, Boris Johnson has said, as he made a fresh push for a poll in December.

He said "nobody relished" going to the polls in winter - but this Parliament had "run its course" and was "incapable" of delivering Brexit.

The PM has formally accepted the EU's offer of a Brexit extension until 31 January 2020 agreed earlier on Monday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50205603

The vote will take place approx. 7pm tonight but my understanding is that Steptoe has given orders that Labour MP's should abstain from voting therefore denying Boris the two thirds majority needed for a general election.

I've also heard that the northern group of MP's are starting to get uneasy with the way Labour are blocking everything and especially those MP's from northern constituencies who voted to leave.

I wish David Miliband would make a return.

[mapuc]

By following your comments and following the news here i came to the conclusion

In the end of the 60's and the 70's you had Monty Python flying circus
In the end of the 70's and the 80's you had Dave Allen
In the end of the 80's end most of the 90's you had Red Dwarf
(maybe not correct in years or decade)

Today you have English Parliament.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

More like Planet of the Apes or One Few Over the Cuckoo's Nest :03:

https://i.postimg.cc/PxJbWw4j/u-g-PXJGG60.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/pTSfqLGn/406e65035a7322749e541e955b520e96.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

MP's have voted to reject the December 12 election plan so next up we should see a short bill that will only require a simple majority.

[STEED]

Brexit 50p coins to be 'recycled' after PM accepts extension
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50215983

Up to 10 million...:har:

Sell them on eBay, I bet they would sell like hot cakes for more than their face value.

[Skybird]

Occasionally, some commentators over here in Germany argue that this is the way democracy works, and that we should give it the space and time for these processes, for that they were textbook exmaples for how democracy works.
I say this is how you maximise the abuse to derail the thing until is is just dead smear on the wall it raced into at highets possible speed.

This is not it.

And people wonder why "extremists" rise outisde the traditional party spectrums, and why this poll in England some days ago showed how many polled people were in acceptance of violence against parties and politicians? I were not that much surprised or shocked at all.

I think some of these party leaders and career politicians indeed could serve a good service to their country: by loosing their head as a signal, warning and motivation for the rest to think about themselves less and about their duties more.

When somebody volunteers for politics and cares for a career in it, it is almost always already sufficient evidence that he is not suited well for serving the nation.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50215983

Up to 10 million...:har:

Sell them on eBay, I bet they would sell like hot cakes for more than their face value.

Do try to keep up old chap, this is three days old now :03:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2634120&postcount=11566

[Jimbuna]

BBC political correspondent Iain Watson reports the shadow cabinet is meeting this morning at Labour HQ.

Most Labour MPs abstained from Monday's vote, and the party's leader, Jeremy Corbyn, says he will only support an election once a no-deal Brexit has been taken off the table. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-50212212


Probably too late to have any effect now because tonights vote only requires a majority of one and the only sticking point with the Lib Dems is the actual date, 9th, 11th, or 12th.

https://i.postimg.cc/YSqZWBpZ/70168318-1392276274256049-5580311292406661120-o.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

BREAKING NEWS

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says his party will support an early general election as the government makes its pitch for a poll on 12 December.

Mr Corbyn said his condition to take a no-deal Brexit off the table "has now been met" after the EU agreed to extend the deadline to 31 January 2020.

But he did not explicitly say if he would back the government's bill in Parliament later.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50221856

Well, I never saw that coming, call it hindsight if you like but in all reality Steptoe had no other options now that the Lib Dems have more or less agreed to a simple majority vote coupled with the expectation a fair number of Labour MP's were being mandated by their constituents to back a vote.

Tonight's tv viewing would have been a little non plus tonight but for the fact my sister-in-law is on tv in the BBC The One Show tonight.

[STEED]

Do try to keep up old chap, this is three days old now :03:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2634120&postcount=11566BBC posted 1 hour old news last night. :O:

[STEED]

So the EU tells that thing no deal is off, what about Bojo's end of this?

For those who follow and believe in polls the latest batch puts the Tories on winning with a majority.

As for me once that shower pass the GE, I will be putting up a sign telling them to sod off and if you so much dare knock on my door I will throw a bucket of cold water over them.

[Jimbuna]

I should imagine your local ploiticians refer to you as a right bundle of joy :haha:

[STEED]

I should imagine your local ploiticians refer to you as a right bundle of joy :haha:Done it before and they did not knock on my door. Now I need to stop the postman delivering their leaflets

[STEED]

Friday's new news headlines....


BORIS JOHNSON FOUND DRUNK IN A DITCH CELEBRATING HE GOT HIS GENERAL ELECTION.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/hG9dmvrP/48974794862-3b8c08a4e1-c.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Skybird]

The law the Tories will bring in on Tuesday and that reduces the needed majority to call early elecitons to a simple majority, likely will be passed against Labour. And hoooops - suddenly Labour says its demands have that a no dela brexit must be met before it will agree to elections, ha sbeen met. I smell the scent of magic!



BTW, even with Johnsons Brexit deal passed, the following negotiations failing could very well lead into a no deal Brexit, some say it makes it even more likely at the end. I know that. I just happen to accept that cenario anyway. It was my favourite from beginning on.

[Jimbuna]

The law the Tories will bring in on Tuesday and that reduces the needed majority to call early elecitons to a simple majority, likely will be passed against Labour. And hoooops - suddenly Labour says its demands have that a no dela brexit must be met before it will agree to elections, ha sbeen met. I smell the scent of magic!



BTW, even with Johnsons Brexit deal passed, the following negotiations failing could very well lead into a no deal Brexit, some say it makes it even more likely at the end. I know that. I just happen to accept that cenario anyway. It was my favourite from beginning on.

Corbyn painted himself into a corner with his stubborn resistance. This is a man who has officially voted with the Tories more times than with his own party over matters concerning the EU, he is the biggest hypocrite of all the hypocrites who attend Parliament.

Once the SNP and Lib Dems agreed to support a vote that meant Labour couldn't afford to be seen as being defeated in the public arena, a total loss of face one might say.

Boris masterstroke was to create a one line bill which in effect done away with the need for a two thirds majority and simply replaced it with a majority requirement, just one vote would do it.

The election is a kind of proxy referendum and Boris is gambling on an overall majority at the end of it.

On a personal level I can't vote Labour or Tory but vote I most certainly will.

[Skybird]

I read Labours wants voters age lowered to 16 years, obviously becasue the younger crowd tends to vote more willinbgkly socilaist, its not different in Germany, but Labour also saidf hey want Eu nationals to vote as well. What does he mean by that, EU nationals? Germans? French? Soaniards, Polish? Fins? Or means it only Britons living on the contenet with two passports, British and a second nationality?

[Jimbuna]

As far as I'm aware he means any EU nationals currently in the UK. Whether he means those having residential status as well as those simply working here is anyone's guess.

[Skybird]

Ah, foreigners who live in the UK.


Oka,y those who have aquired dual citizenship and thus are uK citiezns: of course cna vote. The others: no, they are no UK citizens. Simple.


Of course they reject that it is so simple, we have the same debate in germany, I realise since you explained it. Still, why any foreigner staying in a foreign land shoud be allowed to interfere with this county's domestic policies, is completely beyond me. He stays there or works there, okay. But he is no citizen.



This is this continetal superstate nonsense thinking behind it.



Currently reading one of the two books by Douglas Murray. Not really new to me, but still: shocking.

[Jimbuna]

Don't forget, Brits domiciled abroad were allowed to vote via postal routes.

What we will most likely see in the coming weeks and months (or until Parliament closes for the election) will be a series of discussions/arguments from all parties trying to get what they want via additional amendments.

[Jimbuna]

Another one bites the dust and seeing how she won her seat as a Tory probably means the Tories will win it back at the election.

It's quite disgusting what she's been put through (read the full article) on a personal level and I wish her well for the future.

MP Heidi Allen has announced she will not stand at the next election.

The member for South Cambridgeshire joined the Liberal Democrats earlier this month after quitting the Conservatives in February.

Ms Allen, 44, said she had suffered "utterly dehumanising" abuse and was "exhausted" by the "nastiness and intimidation" she had faced.

She was first elected in 2015 and announced her decision in a letter to her constituents. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-50223646

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/GhNkWHhq/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-50212212

https://i.postimg.cc/fTbC4G7T/digging.gif (https://postimages.org/)

:har:

[Skybird]

What we will most likely see in the coming weeks and months (or until Parliament closes for the election) will be a series of discussions/arguments from all parties trying to get what they want via additional amendments.
There never is a FF-key when you want one.

[Jimbuna]

Voting has just finished, we have a December 12th general election which imho as I said earlier "The election is a kind of proxy referendum"

Matters are nowhere near a conclusion but at least we are seeing progress in that direction.

[Skybird]

In the old days, devices with an FF-key used to also have a Stop-key and an Eject-key [sigh]. I would want an extra-stiff spring for such an eject-mechanism today.

[mapuc]

A vote on a party who are for a brexit wouldn't be enough

Not with all these law who prevent a hard brexit.

From what I understand, The Parliament have made it almost impossible for UK to leave.

Therefore I say as I have said before...give your politician a smack on their fingers.

Markus

[Skybird]

A vote on a party who are for a brexit wouldn't be enough

Not with all these law who prevent a hard brexit.

From what I understand, The Parliament have made it almost impossible for UK to leave.


For now. If pro-Brexiteers win the election with a majority that they cna no longe rbe outmanouvered in parliament, Johnson's deal will pass and Brexit will be announced "with a deal". However, the specfic details of the follow-on treaty to reuglate future rerlations between the UK and the block are so cmplex that they will take years, probaly - and then have a risk of failing. Which then would mean: practically a no deal Brexit, but a hard Brexit.



Thats why I said this first war is ending (about leaving now with the ability to already deal out new trade agreements with non-EU states), the next war is about to begin (about the specific conditions of the with-deal Brexit). These negotitaitosn will be so much mroe complex and difficult than what there was so far. What we ahd untuil here - was the easier part! :03: Still, the follow onnegotiaitons with the EU will be done from a status of "Brexit has been done" . So that if the negotiatiosn are declared to have faile din one or two or three years, this will automatically anings from a with-deal-Brexit into a no-deal-Brexit then.

[STEED]

My sod off sign will be going up at the weekend, and they better sod off or its the bucket of cold water.


DO NOT VOTE FOR THESE USELESS SWINE. :yep:

[STEED]

Are you voting?

Why?

Have you been following what has been going on, nothing more than a disgrace. All of them have acted like bad kids in a kinda garden and you want more feel free to vote these worthless over paid useless shower. Don't come crying to me when you ask why did i vote, nothing has changed.

[Jimbuna]

For now. If pro-Brexiteers win the election with a majority that they cna no longe rbe outmanouvered in parliament, Johnson's deal will pass and Brexit will be announced "with a deal".

That is the current belief as far as my understanding goes :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Are you voting?

Why?

Have you been following what has been going on, nothing more than a disgrace. All of them have acted like bad kids in a kinda garden and you want more feel free to vote these worthless over paid useless shower. Don't come crying to me when you ask why did i vote, nothing has changed.

Pseudo curmudgeon on tap.

[STEED]

May's /Johnson's deal is not true brexit just remember that you hardline brexiteers. :03:

[Jimbuna]

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the snap poll was a "once-in-a-generation" opportunity to transform the country.

Weren't similar quotes attributed to the Scottish Independence Referendum and Brexit? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Bang on cue, I should have expected these.

Two emails one after the other or perhaps they'd be better described as begging mails.

Here's the first split screen capture (too large for just the one), I'll post the other after I've been and checked the boys house.

https://i.postimg.cc/vTSLk5rQ/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/RVNTfbmq/Untitleda.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

Now the other.

https://i.postimg.cc/rssTYKM6/Untitledb.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/KY5yGnYS/Untitledc.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

Which MPs are standing down at the election?

I was quite surprised at some of those on the list.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49607907

[mapuc]

That is the current belief as far as my understanding goes :yep:

Heard on the radio today where some expert on British politics said something with

If Boris and the Tories win we can expect UK have left EU by 1 January 2020.

If the others, he mentioned the Lib and I was thinking Corbyn..win the election it is most likely UK will remain a EU member.

I therefore change my advise

If you are for leaving EU-then put your vote on B.J. (Yes you may not like him..but ask yourself what's most important leave EU and have Boris as PM for the next couple of years or Stay in EU with Steptoe as PM)

Markus

[Skybird]

Currently reading one of the two books by Douglas Murray. Not really new to me, but still: shocking.
Just found this on it. I plan to get the first book later on. Its pleasant to read not due to what he says, but how he says it. Shows style and class.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wienerzeitung.at%2Fnachrichten %2Fkultur%2Fmehr-kultur%2F2035641-Douglas-Murray-analysiert-die-politische-Krankheit-der-westlichen-Welt.html

[STEED]

Which MPs are standing down at the election?

I was quite surprised at some of those on the list.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49607907
As the old saying goes, one load of useless bastards out and another load of useless bastards in. :yep:


I now sit back and wait for the lies to roll in as these useless lot lie and lie again to get your vote.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR LIARS.

[STEED]

Watching SKY News this morning and they were talking to a former labour adviser who said if you read labour's manifesto in full you would be alarmed at their spending plans that he put it would bankrupt the country again. This was not coming from a Tory care to note.

[Jimbuna]

Watching SKY News this morning and they were talking to a former labour adviser who said if you read labour's manifesto in full you would be alarmed at their spending plans that he put it would bankrupt the country again. This was not coming from a Tory care to note.

That is generally the case, tax the rich and give it to the poor. Next thing you see is a drop in investment and company expansion which eventually leads to job losses and a hefty bill for the welfare state to pick up with an ever decreasing tax income.

There will always be rich and poor in the country and anyone investing obviously want to see a resulting profit....surely.

[Jimbuna]

Last Orderrrrs! Speaker John Bercow's career in numbers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50237401

Not only does Mr Bercow speak more than previous Commons Speakers, his choice of words often stands out.

One MP, quoted by the New York Times, said: "It's as if he goes to bed every night, reads a thesaurus, inwardly digests it and then spews it out the next day." :har:

The article sums him up quite well.

[STEED]

Just been watching the nameless one and my BS detector broke. And this is day 1. :o

[Skybird]

:haha:

[Jimbuna]

Well, I've now had all the three stooges sending me begging mails and unsurprisingly the one below can't even spell her christian name correctly :haha:

https://i.postimg.cc/KvZWqvg8/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/4xySGLPC/Untitleda.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[STEED]

Just like to add guys I am well passed angry and just laughing at the lot of them. I know my posts sound like I am about to explode don't panic. :) :03: :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Labour MP Keith Vaz has been suspended from the Commons for six months after he was found to have "expressed willingness" to purchase cocaine for male prostitutes.

MPs approved the recommendation from the Commons standards body, which released its report earlier this week.

It said there was "compelling evidence" he offered to pay for a class A drug and had paid-for sex in August 2016.

Mr Vaz said he was receiving treatment for a serious mental health condition.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50252630

Notwithstanding what he is claiming I can't help but think he has brought all this upon himself.

[mapuc]

If our news here in Denmark have understood these Poll from UK

It doesn't look very bright for Corbyn

In one of these Polls Tories would get 35 % and Labour only 21 %
(if I heard it correct)

What about Ukip with Farrage ? How many percentage will they get according to your Polls ?

Markus

[STEED]

TRUMP RINGS NIGEL ON AIR!

Donald Trump has criticised Boris Johnson's Brexit deal with the EU, saying it restricts the US's ability to do future trade with the UK.

Speaking to LBC, he said that, without the deal, the two countries could "do many times the numbers" than now.

The US president also took a swipe at Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, saying he would be "so bad" as prime minister.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50252285

[Rockstar]

Hey Boris, pull my finger.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/88F2/production/_109485053_12d2430e-4c0c-4bbc-9e94-63077ea362f7.jpg

[STEED]

Bookies have gone from a Tory victory to Hung Parliament :haha:

Let the fun and games start. :)

[Jimbuna]

Hey Boris, pull my finger.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/88F2/production/_109485053_12d2430e-4c0c-4bbc-9e94-63077ea362f7.jpg

:haha:

[Jimbuna]

Nigel Farage has called on Boris Johnson to ditch his Brexit deal and "build a Leave alliance".

At the launch of the Brexit Party's election campaign, the leader said bringing the parties together was "the only way" forward.

But he warned Mr Johnson that if he turned down his offer, the party would field candidates in "every single seat" in England, Scotland and Wales.

The Conservatives have consistently ruled out a formal pact with the party.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50261647

Careful chaps, you could hinder each other and create a path for Steptoe.

[STEED]

^Extreme breiteers will vote for brexit party, moderate brexiteers will most likely switch to the Tories.



Biggest question is will the Russian's interfere?

[Skybird]

Johnson is balancing on a razor blade. While three others are pointing pikes and throw grapples at him.


If he does bad, by the end of this all he could look like sliced pizza: flat, dampning, and in pieces.

[STEED]

https://media.makeameme.org/created/500-big-ones.jpg

[Jimbuna]

^Extreme breiteers will vote for brexit party, moderate brexiteers will most likely switch to the Tories.



Biggest question is will the Russian's interfere?

Ya somnevayus'

[Jimbuna]

Johnson is balancing on a razor blade. While three others are pointing pikes and throw grapples at him.


If he does bad, by the end of this all he could look like sliced pizza: flat, dampning, and in pieces.

I liken him to a poker player, he is all in to get the pot.

[Skybird]

So thought May, once.

Farage is picking away at Johnson's fundament. I do not know about the numerical ratio between no-deal- and Johnson-deal Brexiteers. If the firts come in higher numbers than expected and prevent johnosn th ewanted majority, the Johnson express could still derail while already entering the central station.

[Jimbuna]

I think the election result is too hard to call/predict Sky. Most people make their predictions biased by their preferences but one thing is certain, we'll all know the result in the early hours of December thirteen.

[Skybird]

I did not mean to "predict" an outcome, but to point out how uncertain things are: and that it could backfire indeed, that uncertain it maybe is. I find it hard to "preict" what impact Farage will have. The more votes he gets, the bigger Johnson's problem will become. Unfortunately he knows that. And it was not difficult to know in the first.

[Jimbuna]

Whilst Brexit did well in the EU elections that is no indication of a similar result in the UK.

UKIP are a good example of the above.

[STEED]

Hi guy...:haha: :haha:

Hang on... :haha: :haha:

:haha:

I got a LibDem leaflet though the door. :haha:

Vote LibDems for a brighter better Britain... :har: :har:

Oh man..:haha::har:

[Jimbuna]

Precisely.

[mapuc]

I hope Trump haven't destroyed any hope for a pro- Brexit party to win the election.

Heard on the news that Trump had, so to say, stepped into your ongoing election campaign

And Boris got furious

Seems Mr. Trump have no sense of understanding an another countries election and when to shut up and wait

Markus

[Skybird]

I hope Trump haven't destroyed any hope for a pro- Brexit party to win the election.

Most likely not. Its more about whether Johnson cna get a majpority sufficient to get his deal through, or whether Farrage ruins this, becasue farrage wants "no deal". If Farrage steals enigh votes form Johnson, then parliament once again ends in a deadlock. And this all starts from the starting line again.

[Jimbuna]

Most likely not. Its more about whether Johnson cna get a majpority sufficient to get his deal through, or whether Farrage ruins this, becasue farrage wants "no deal". If Farrage steals enigh votes form Johnson, then parliament once again ends in a deadlock. And this all starts from the starting line again.

Pretty much how it is looking atm :yep:

[Jimbuna]

John Bercow is demanding an apology from the Daily Mirror over claims he asked for £1m to appear on "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!"

The outgoing Commons Speaker has accused the paper of "publishing lies despite being advised of the truth" and has complained to the press watchdog.

The Mirror claimed talks between Mr Bercow and ITV broke down over the size of his appearance fee.

It said it stood by its story, which was based on "authoritative sources".

However, the newspaper also said it was "happy to accept" that Mr Bercow had "no serious desire to appear" on the programme.

Mr Bercow, who retired on Thursday after 10 years in the Speaker's chair, is understood to be furious about the story.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50265137

I think we're going to see a lot more about him in the press in the coming months.

[STEED]

Labour is promising to make all new-build homes "zero carbon" within three years, in an effort to curb housing shortages and tackle climate change.

A Labour government would introduce a "tough" standards for new builds which would see homes fitted with solar panels and not having gas boilers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50273350

Has Greta thunberg threaten Labour? :hmmm:

https://mriqd.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/bs-meter1.gif

[Skybird]

I think we're going to see a lot more about him in the press in the coming months.
I can understand that after having been on that show for one decade now he has no desire to extend this contract.



:O:

[Jimbuna]

I can understand that after having been on that show for one decade now he has no desire to extend this contract.



:O:

I've heard he is going to follow what Blair did and tour the world giving talks and speeches.

[Jimbuna]

Looks like he wants some help writing his manifesto :haha:

https://i.postimg.cc/C1LDkW4d/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/TYWbVjnj/Untitleda.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

UK stops fracking (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fwissenschaft%2Fte chnik%2Fgrossbritannien-regierung-in-london-stoppt-fracking-wegen-erdbeben-gefahr-a-1294545.html)

Google translation from the 'Spiegel'

[Jimbuna]

It looks like they are trying to cover as many bases as possible.

https://i.postimg.cc/L6v34GGC/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

For anyone who questions why Jeremy Corbyn would be a dangerous Prime Minister? Here’s a list to start you off.

Not compiled by me but I am aware of a majority of the listing.

1)Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
2)Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
3)Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
4)Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
5)Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
6)Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
7)Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
8)Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
9)Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
10)Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
11)Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
12)Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
13)Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
14)Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
15)Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
16)Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
17)Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
18)Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
19)Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
20)Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
21)Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
22)Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
23)Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
24)Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
25)Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
26)Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
27)Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
28)Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
29)Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
30)Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
31)Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
32)Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
33)Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
34)Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
35)Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
36)Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
37)Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
38)Opposed shoot to kill.
39)Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
40)Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
41)Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
42)Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
43)Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
44)Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
45)Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
46)Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
47)Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
48)Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
49)Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
50)Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
51)Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
52)Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
53)Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
54)Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
55)Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
56)Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
57)Received endorsement from Hamas.
58)Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
59)Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
60)Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
61)Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
62)Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
63)Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
64)Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
65)Opposed proscription of Hizb UT-Tahrir.
66)Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
67)Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
68)Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
69)Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
70)Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
71)Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
72)Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
73)Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
74)Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
75)Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
76)Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
77)Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
78)Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
79)Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
80)Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
81)Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
82)Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
83)Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
84)Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
85)Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
86)Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
87)Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
88)Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
89)Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
90)Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
91)Voted against banning support for the IRA.
92)Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
93)Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
94)Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
95)Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
96)Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
97)Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
98)Voted against control orders.
99)Voted against increased funding for the security services.

[Skybird]

Wowh... Impressive record...


I knew he was bad, but not that he was this much badderthanbad

[Jimbuna]

We;;. if the above is accurate and true and I'm confident much of it is, I reckon that makes him a dangerous person who is seriously unfit to lead the UK.

[JU_88]

Yeah slight Correction on putting that that Wealth and Power where it belongs, they mean:
from the few, to the even fewer (them selves) then trust they will do the right thing by the 'many' though their progressive/neo marxist lense where your level of oppression and need of equity can be more or less calulated by your race, gender identity, relegion and clinically unproven mental disorders, whether or not you were read bed time stories as a child etc
What could possibly go wrong? :hmmm:
At least if they won it would be entertaining to watch with some popcon (assuming I'm still able to buy some :P)
Honestly, I dont know really what to make of labor at this point.

[Jimbuna]

MPs will elect John Bercow's successor as Speaker of the House of Commons later in the first election for the powerful post in more than a decade.

The Speaker keeps order in Commons debates and calls MPs to speak.

Chris Bryant - former minister and shadow Commons leader; Labour MP for Rhondda since 2001
Harriet Harman - former minister and deputy Labour leader; Labour MP since 1982, for Peckham and its successor constituency Camberwell
Meg Hillier - chairwoman of the Public Accounts Committee and former minister; Labour MP for Hackney South and Shoreditch since 2005
Sir Lindsay Hoyle - elected Labour MP for Chorley in 1997; elected deputy Speaker in 2010
Dame Eleanor Laing - elected Conservative MP for Epping Forest in 1997; elected deputy Speaker in 2013
Sir Edward Leigh - Conservative MP for Gainsborough since 1983; former chairman of the Public Accounts Committee
Dame Rosie Winterton - elected Labour MP for Doncaster Central in 1997; former Labour chief whip; elected deputy Speaker in 2017
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50283826

Five are Labour and two are Tory.

I'm thinking it will be between Harman and Hoyle (both Labour) but will add a Tory, Laing as a long shot.

[STEED]

UK stops fracking (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fwissenschaft%2Fte chnik%2Fgrossbritannien-regierung-in-london-stoppt-fracking-wegen-erdbeben-gefahr-a-1294545.html)

Google translation from the 'Spiegel'
ELECTION STUNT NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS. :yep:

[STEED]

Just looking at the big three leaders and I just have no faith in any of them, jim's post above covers the nameless one. Bojo has told lie after lie and his media side of him controls him more than his political side. As for Joe Swinson she clearly comes across lusting for power and if she gets in....:o

Out of that bad bunch I don't want any of them but I am going to get stuffed by one of them when the election results are in.

[Jimbuna]

Parties should not use the NHS as "a political weapon" in the election campaign, health service bosses say.

NHS Providers chief Chris Hopson said "over-dramatising NHS difficulties" or making "disingenuous" funding claims did the service "no favours".

Both the Tories and Labour are vowing to spend billions to improve care.

But Mr Hopson, who acts for health trust leaders in England, urged parties not to make "empty promises" or create "unrealistic expectations".

The long-term future of the NHS and social care is likely to be a key battleground in the run-up to the 12 December election.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50282333

Probably one of the most sensible things you'll read in the run up to the election.

[mapuc]

Have a question on your election system

The last 5-10 years I have been witness to some of your Prime Minister saying
It's time for the British people pick a new PM and to put a new Parliament together.

Does this mean your PM and the Parliament can be in charge forever...until the PM decide it's time for the British people to.... ??

Markus

[Jimbuna]

There must be an election every five years minimum.

[mapuc]

There must be an election every five years minimum.

Thank you

It's like here in Denmark, where the PM has the same right to put an election up and if s/he don't the election rules says every fourth year.

Markus

[STEED]

Probably one of the most sensible things you'll read in the run up to the election.

All sides will tell a load of BS and the NHS is the biggest BS political football. People say to me you must vote....Why should I vote for these party's who BS and lie to me. To hell with them all, try telling the truth and no BS and I may cast my vote but until then clear off.


Speaking of BS.....

Jeremy Corbyn is urging voters to back him with a pledge to "get Brexit sorted" in six months if he becomes prime minister.https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-corbyn-vows-to-get-brexit-sorted-in-six-months-if-elected-pm-11854419

[Jimbuna]

Thank you

It's like here in Denmark, where the PM has the same right to put an election up and if s/he don't the election rules says every fourth year.

Markus

The government can call an election earlier but it must be passed by a two thirds majority.

[Jimbuna]

Sir Lindsay Hoyle was confirmed as the new Commons Speaker, succeeding John Bercow. Hoyle won the election after four rounds of voting eliminated the other six candidates.

https://i.postimg.cc/sgD2JG5s/109523053-hoyle.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Good luck to the guy because he can't be any worse than his predecessor.

I found the whole election process quite entertaining, especially so as I was Face Timing my lad during it whilst he was watching it from his apartment in Jakarta.

[STEED]

The general election could be "a moment for seismic change", when "a new and different politics" emerges, Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson has said.

In a speech at the party's campaign launch, she said she could do "a better job" than either Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50297164

What as, dictator. :hmmm:

Month after month she said put it to the people calling for a second reforendrum and then suddenly at the LibDems conferance stuff that we are going to tear up article 50 out right. So much for democracy....

[Jimbuna]

Just in:

https://i.postimg.cc/Fssckm4J/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Wdjc0b/Untitled2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/FHwJ6LJj/Untitled3.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[STEED]

^Personally I would tell them to sod off and stop sending me this BS and lies. I suspect even after ticking the box I don't want to hear from you again these morons would still send emails out.

I really wonder why people vote these days, my conclusion they bought the lies and BS and the end result of that....NO HOPE OF THINGS GETTING BETTER.

In the world of soylent green I would be Sol.

[Jimbuna]

Worthwhile for the entertainment value alone.

[Jimbuna]

This is a must view.

https://www.facebook.com/austen.lennon/videos/10158049160697494/

Very well said Ian Austin MP for Dudley (Independent since February 2019 but formerly Labour)

[MGR1]

My only observation about this GE is:

In England, Wales and Northern Ireland Brexit will dominate.

In Scotland it'll be independence with Brexit complicating things.

As the SNP have effectively replaced Labour up here it's a given that they will have the most seats. Exactly how many remains to be seen.

There's a truism in Scottish politics - the party that controls Glasgow and the Clyde Valley controls Scotland. If the other parties (apart from Labour, who have blown it) want to make inroads there, they need to make a serious study of why the Western Central Belt is the way it is and why it votes the way it does.

I suspect that for the Tories it'll be too challenging to their worldview for them to accept.

Mike.:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Former Chancellor Philip Hammond is to leave Parliament "with great sadness" after deciding against standing as an independent in his Surrey constituency.

Mr Hammond lost the Conservative whip in September after defying Boris Johnson over a no-deal Brexit.

As a result, he cannot stand as a Tory candidate in Runnymede and Weybridge, which he has represented since 1997.

He said he would not stand as an independent as that would be a "direct challenge" to the party he loved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50304679

I admire his stance but in all honesty I doubt he had any other alternative.

[Skybird]

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland %2Fbrexit-boris-johnson-haelt-bericht-ueber-russland-einfluss-zurueck-a-1294996.html

[Jimbuna]

^This is how it's being reported here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50300551

[Skybird]

I am wondering how this would impact in the UK and the public's relation tot he Royals if the story is shown to be true!? In a sane society this should hold the potantial to destroy the function of the Royals as a national institution of uniting the people and closing gaps between different social andf political groups.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50296742


If true, both the deed and the attempt to hide it and intimidate reporters, are crimes. How loyal would the population remain to the Royals after this story blowing up and shown as truth?

[Jimbuna]

I think you'll find that majority of the British public are very supportive of the Royal Family but I've no doubt there are a great many influential people who have 'skeletons in the cupboard'.

[Jimbuna]

Presenter tears apart Jo Swinson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLB4WXkRC54

[Jimbuna]

This is a must view.

https://www.facebook.com/austen.lennon/videos/10158049160697494/

Very well said Ian Austin MP for Dudley (Independent since February 2019 but formerly Labour)

This makes better viewing :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaide-nrOJc

[STEED]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50297164

What as, dictator. :hmmm:

Month after month she said put it to the people calling for a second reforendrum and then suddenly at the LibDems conferance stuff that we are going to tear up article 50 out right. So much for democracy....

Presenter tears apart Jo Swinson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLB4WXkRC54

She is like a drug addict on a acid trip believing she is the one and she is going to win because the people believe she is better.

Give me a break this woman is a control freak strutting around like a dictator.

[STEED]

This makes better viewing :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaide-nrOJcThat woman behind him clearly came across as to say...that is a pact of lies go and join the tories. Another one in labour who will not hear the truth, Labour under the thumb of the big M and the nameless one is their puppet.

[Jimbuna]

All leaders have their sycophants unfortunately.

[STEED]

The starting pistol has been fired the bunting is going up and STEED is already naffed off. Yes I am and first too naff me off is SKY News calling it the brexit election....No No No No!

It's a general election for crying out loud. :wah:

There is no thing as a brexit or extinction or housing or green or what ever, it's a general election and my complaint will soon be on it's way for the good it will do.

[Jimbuna]

A UK cabinet minister has resigned over claims he knew about a former aide's role in the "sabotage" of a rape trial.

Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns denied knowing Tory assembly candidate Ross England made claims about the victim's sexual history in an April 2018 trial.

But BBC Wales discovered Mr Cairns was emailed about it in August 2018 - four months before Mr England was chosen as Vale of Glamorgan candidate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-50302173

Another one bites the dust.

[STEED]

Just be reading my local rag on line and came across a poll that was conducted it would seem my area could swap. The cons hold it at the moment but the poll put lab way out in front followed by the libs and way down in third place the cons. :hmmm:

My area in most part has been tory until the blare years when lab won two in a row before going back to tory.

[Jimbuna]

Three Labour MPs - including Jeremy Corbyn ally Chris Williamson - have been banned from standing for the party by its National Executive Committee.

Derby North MP Mr Williamson was suspended in an anti-Semitism row.

Jarrow MP Stephen Hepburn was being investigated over a sexual harassment claim - denied by him - while Roger Godsiff was facing a reselection battle in Birmingham Hall Green.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50319044

Stephen is a former associate of mine, someone I have met and drank with on numerous occasions in Parliament.

[mapuc]

Please enlighten me

On Corbyn aka Steptoe's standpoint in the Brexit question ?

Heard and saw some British woman in our news at noon saying that Corbyn is the one you should pick if you want a brexit.

Markus

[STEED]

Please enlighten me

On Corbyn aka Steptoe's standpoint in the Brexit question ?

Heard and saw some British woman in our news at noon saying that Corbyn is the one you should pick if you want a brexit.

Markus

What is Labour's Brexit plan?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45640548

Kick the can down the road because we are a bunch of morons.

[Skybird]

The brutality by which Labour accepts to hold a whole continent as hostage for another half or full year or longer, for its creeping onto power, is breathtaking. But who said the EU would be willing to renegotiate the Brexit deal a third time?

[mapuc]

I'm pretty sure it didn't came as a surprise for you British people when your former Speaker Bercow openly spoke against this Brexit calling the worse thing since WWII.

It is his right now he ain't the speaker anymore.

Markus

[STEED]

I'm pretty sure it didn't came as a surprise for you British people when your former Speaker Bercow openly spoke against this Brexit calling the worse thing since WWII.

It is his right now he ain't the speaker anymore.

Markus
Typical he could not keep his clap shut for a week. He had to mouth off as fast as he could and this is just the start. No doubt there will be a book out before this time next year.

[STEED]

But who said the EU would be willing to renegotiate the Brexit deal a third time?I bet in front of the camara they will throw a major tantrum and behind closed doors how long would you like? A year or how about five better still never ending talks.

[Jimbuna]

The brutality by which Labour accepts to hold a whole continent as hostage for another half or full year or longer, for its creeping onto power, is breathtaking. But who said the EU would be willing to renegotiate the Brexit deal a third time?

Steptoe was on tv yesterday claiming he had spoken to EU leaders and they had agreed to reopen negotiations. No evidence of that of course but this is Steptoe making himself popular with the electorate or so he believes.

[Jimbuna]

Labour voters should support Boris Johnson in the general election, former Labour MP Ian Austin has said.

The former minister resigned from the party in February, accusing leader Jeremy Corbyn of failing to tackle anti-Semitism.

Mr Austin, MP for Dudley North, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that Mr Corbyn was "completely unfit" to be PM.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50330007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVdELEmiP9k

[Jimbuna]

Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson has announced he is stepping down from his role after the general election, and will not be standing as an MP.

Mr Watson said it was for "personal not political" reasons and was the the right time for a change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-50326522/tom-watson-standing-down-as-labour-deputy-leader

Tom was the last person I voted for in the leadership election and despite what he is saying publicly a great many people believe the real reason is because he has found himself marginalised and under attack from Momentum.

[Jimbuna]

Details have been released of the 60 seats in which Liberal Democrats, Greens and Plaid Cymru will stand down candidates in a “Remain Alliance“ to maximise the chances of electing anti-Brexit MPs in the 12 December general election.

List is in link below.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/general-election-full-list-of-60-remain-alliance-seats-as-lib-dems-greens-and-plaid-cymru-agree-pact/ar-BBWpzmE?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=mailsignout

I can't see it making much difference to the overall election result other than potentially giving the smaller parties a few more seats.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/J0gT3P7B/75594586-10157274047311849-9213145307406139392-n.jpg (https://postimg.cc/q6sX4c3k)

[mapuc]

If your journalists are like ours here in Denmark and in Sweden

They will not have the guts to confront the leader of the Labour party

Asking him if he have changed his mind the last two years.

Markus

[Skybird]

Quite the opposite! If you take pleasure from watching a dancing weasel, ask him! Ask him! :yeah:

[STEED]

The nameless one is a raging anti-semit who supports terrorists, the prosecution rests it's case.

The defence, none...

Verdict....GUILTY AS CHARGED.

Vote Labour if you call the truth lies. :03:

[STEED]

The new Speaker says he will not permit the kind of parliamentary manoeuvres recently used to block a no-deal Brexit allowed by his predecessor John Bercow.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle said he would not allow the procedures used by MPs to seize control of the agenda.

It would make it harder for MPs to derail a government after the election, even if it does not have a majority.

Sir Lindsay said he wanted MPs to agree to change the Commons rules to close off those options.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50336267

Good luck with that but I have my doubt's.

[STEED]

Just watching Sturgeon open the SNP campaign and she just said Scotland is one of the wealthiest countries. Really, well then you do not need any more money from Westminster.

[Jimbuna]

Someone's obviously not factoring in their share of the national debt.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/0Qr1dwtS/1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bDX5qsfY)
https://i.postimg.cc/Y9VKXCVs/2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/r0SPsMq1)
https://i.postimg.cc/RhHr2zxV/3.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Skybird]

What I absolutely cannot stand is when the comrades - or IKEA or Starbuck staff - approach me clumsily and use my first name on me as if we were close friends or member sof the same family. I find this very repugnant. Foreigners I do not know, companies, advertisment approaching me this way, already have lost me the second they practice this for the first time on me.


I in principle react very hostile when others try to draw me into any kind of clumsy familiarity or club collectivism. No warning balks from me, I immediately bite.

[Jimbuna]

If you're referring to the way I am addressed in the emails then I would tend to agree but I'm not really overly bothered either because I don't feel the need to respond to them.

[STEED]

Just been watching the news on SKY and they are reporting Labour and the other party's will abolish homelessness.

NOW THIS GETS ME BLOODY ANGRY WHEN I HERE THIS LIE AND IT IS A LIE NONE OF THEM GIVE A TOSS AND WILL NEVER ABOLISH HOMELESSNESS.

ALL THOSE SAY THIS ARE A BLOODY DISGRACE, HOW DARE THEY THESE OVER PAID MORONS.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Jimbuna]

The BBC will host a head-to-head debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn in the run-up to the general election.

The Conservative and Labour leaders will face off live in Southampton on 6 December - six days before the poll.

A seven-way podium debate will also take place between senior figures from the UK's major political parties on 29 November, live from Cardiff.

Liberal Democrat candidate Chuka Umunna said it was "wrong [and] undemocratic" not to include his party in the head-to-head debate to represent those who "want to stop Brexit".

He said his party would be launching legal proceedings against the BBC, as it has with ITV - which is also holding a debate between Mr Johnson and Mr Corbyn.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50347661

No doubt Jo Swinson will be absolutely fuming :haha:

[STEED]

United Kingdom might not exist in a decade, half of UK citizens think: pollhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-election-union/united-kingdom-might-not-exist-in-a-decade-half-of-uk-citizens-think-poll-idUSKBN1XI12M


If the union breaks up the fault will be the politians who by their own stupid actions dragged out brexit causing society to become so divided.

[mapuc]

I could be wrong, but I think this dividing began right after your referendum if not before.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

I could be wrong, but I think this dividing began right after your referendum if not before.

Markus

The first referendum took place on Thursday 18 September 2014 on Scottish independence from the United Kingdom.

[Jimbuna]

Diane Abbott is facing criticism for posting a "misleading" tweet, which has been shared widely across social media and even used in Labour-affiliated advertising.

The shadow home secretary compared the media coverage of ex-Labour MP Ian Austin saying he would vote for the Conservatives with the coverage of former Tory MP Ken Clarke when he spoke of being conflicted about voting for his old party in the election.

She tweeted: "Ian Austin, one year as a junior minister at DCLG, says he won't vote for Labour. Wall-to-wall coverage. Ken Clarke, nine years as secretary of state, including as chancellor, says he won't vote for the Conservatives. Silence. Balanced election coverage?"

According to independent fact-checking organisation Full Fact, Ms Abbott's tweet is incorrect and misleading.

"While it's true that the two sets of comments received different levels of media attention, Ms Abbott's phrasing doesn't portray them entirely accurately, overstating what Ken Clarke said and implying the two sets of comments to be more similar than they are," it said.

"Mr Austin didn't just say he personally wouldn't vote Labour this election… he explicitly called on Labour voters to vote for the Conservatives. Meanwhile Ken Clarke did not say he 'won't vote for the Conservatives'.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50352176

Labours 'Liability Lady' is at it again. Steptoe really needs to serve a gagging order on her :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Early days yet but if this trend continues we may be looking at a hung Parliament.

New polling has delivered a major blow to Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour, with the party apparently suffering in its traditional strongholds.

The Conservatives have also endured polling slumps in the new YouGov data, though they are nowhere near as pronounced as Labour’s.

Ahead of next month's general election, Mr Corbyn’s troubles are most visible in Labour’s northern heartlands.

In the north-west, the party scored 30 per cent, down 25 from its 2017 general election result. Boris Johnson’s Tories are polling at 33 per cent.

There was a similar drop in support in the north-east, where Labour polled at 32 per cent, down 23 from 2017.

Even in London there was a sizeable drop for Labour, which is down from 55 per cent in 2017 to 39 in the latest data, which was gathered from October 17 up to Monday this week.

Meanwhile, in Tory strongholds in the south-east and south-west, there were identical 13-point drops to 41 per cent.

The Liberal Democrats and newly formed Brexit Party appear to be taking advantage of the polarised Brexit debate, with the arch-Remainers led by Jo Swinson increasing support in every region.

The Lib Dems’ biggest leaps came in the north-west (up from five per cent in 2017 to 17 per cent in the latest polling) and south-east (up from 11 per cent in 2017 to 23 per cent in the poll).

The Brexit Party’s biggest support is coming from the north-east, where it is currently polling at 19 per cent: seven points behind the Tories.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/uk-election-polls-blow-for-jeremy-corbyn-as-labour-loses-support-in-northern-strongholds/ar-BBWtktE?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

[Jimbuna]

Nigel Farage faces mounting pressure to stand down as his backers warn that the Brexit Party's surging support could cost vital Tory seats at the election.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nigel-farage-faces-mounting-pressure-to-stand-down-as-his-backers-warn-that-the-brexit-partys-surging-support-could-cost-vital-tory-seats-at-the-election/ar-BBWuTNu?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

This is the great unknown that many will be pondering but I doubt Farage will take any notice.

[STEED]

I doubt the Brexit party will get one seat let alone damage the Tories big time. Sounds like a load of BS to me, the BP has passed their high water mark and have plunge in the polls and any way Farage said he was also going after Labour so should he back off there as well?


Meanwhile I hear the SNP will form alliance with Labour as long as they get there IR2. I can not see Labour saying sure go ahead with another independent referendum.

[Jimbuna]

As far as I'm aware Labour have said not in the early part of their reign but later on maybe.

[mapuc]

The first referendum took place on Thursday 18 September 2014 on Scottish independence from the United Kingdom.

I was referring to your EU referendum 2016

Back to the ordinary schedule

Markus

[Jimbuna]

It would now appear that to be a candidate for the forthcoming general election you would be far better served if you had no historic social media posts :o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50365354

[Jimbuna]

At every general election, there is one constituency in the UK where the voters don't get to vote for the main parties.

"A pointless vote."

"Undemocratic."

"A sham."

Those are the views of some of the 80,000-strong electorate in Buckingham, who feel they haven't had a democratic say at a general election since 2005.

That's because Buckingham's MP has been John Bercow, Speaker of the House of Commons for the last 10 years.

A longstanding parliamentary tradition means major parties agree not to stand against the Speaker, who is considered to be politically neutral.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50320790

So this is why we were stuck with the bugga :nope:

[STEED]

Not just the speaker the clerks as well some three to five of them. They have to be elected to gain access to the HoC and the speaker of the House is the most powerful position way above PM.

[Jimbuna]

The Conservative peer Brian Mawhinney has died at the age of 79.

The Belfast-born former chairman of the Conservative Party joined the House of Lords in 2005 after standing down as MP for North West Cambridgeshire.

In 2003 he was appointed as chairman of the Football League, a role he carried out for seven years.

In a statement, his family said the "much-loved husband, father and grandfather and a friend to many" died on Saturday after a long illness.

"His death brings an end to a life dedicated to public service and rooted in an unwavering Christian faith," the statement said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-50366894

A true gentleman, may he rest in peace.

[Jimbuna]

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https://i.postimg.cc/C1nX6d1t/Untitled2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[STEED]

We need you to step up jim:haha:

What next?

Jim your country needs you to go forth and do you're duty and vote for Labour, you know this to be the right thing for queen and country. Voting Labour is positive and the greatest thing you can do....:har:

[Jimbuna]

Never in a million years.

[STEED]

Nigel Farage says Brexit Party won't contest seats won by Tories in 2017 - but will stand in all Labour seatshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50377396

Well Nigel you just got a mate of mind bloody angry as he was going to vote BP and now he can not as he is in a tory seat.

From my point of view Nigel and the Brexit party is on the retreat and that will spell the slow death of his party.

[Jimbuna]

Tory or Brexit, they both want similar outcomes to the referendum, one being a little more extreme than the other.

[Jimbuna]

Labour's Keith Vaz, who was suspended from the Commons after he was found to have "expressed willingness" to purchase cocaine for others, will not be standing for re-election.

Mr Vaz, who has been MP for Leicester East for 32 years, said in a statement he was retiring from Parliament.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50369905

Only thing he could do really.

[Jimbuna]

In the Tory heartlands of the commuter belt, remainers may revolt.

Back in September, Boris Johnson had a meeting with some of the 21 Tory MPs who were about to lose the party whip over their opposition to a no-deal Brexit. He was warned that if he was prepared to risk the hardest of Brexits, he might lose crucial parliamentary seats – reliably Tory places where a majority backed remain.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/in-the-tory-heartlands-of-the-commuter-belt-remainers-may-revolt/ar-BBWzCWs?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Yet another piece in the jigsaw that nobody can put together.

[Skybird]

The election's outcome may not be as certain as Johnson thinks. May made the same meistake that maybe now he stumbles over. It might not even be Brexit yes or no deciding it vor many voters, but the open bills they feel they want to settle. Revenge voting.

[Jimbuna]

^Agreed, this has got to be the most complex in terms of predictability I've ever witnessed :yep:

[ikalugin]

I hope my school friend runs and gets the seat :)

[Jimbuna]

Who might that be ?

[Skybird]

Farrage signs no-attack-deal with Johnson. His Brexit-party will not run for seats held by the Tories.

Pro-remain paties agree to practice something similar.

The frontline gets defined more clearer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50377396

[Jimbuna]

Farrage signs no-attack-deal with Johnson. His party will not run for seats held by the Tories.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50377396

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2636166&postcount=11730 :03:

[Jimbuna]

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[Mr Quatro]

This from the WSJ don't go there, but I was reading about the Warren/Sanders health care bill for all when I ran into this fact about the UK's health care problems

How to Enjoy “Medicare for All”: Don’t Get Cancer

“Cancer waiting times are the worst on record.” As of August, more than 20% of UK cancer patients were still waiting for their first treatment more than 60 days after an “urgent” referral from a general practitioner.

[Skybird]

Are you running a guerilla campaign in favour of Labour or why do you post all their adverts, Jim? :ping:

[Jimbuna]

Are you running a guerilla campaign in favour of Labour or why do you post all their adverts, Jim? :ping:

Not adverts Sky, emails they send me as a former Labour Party member.

[STEED]

Jim your latest email is perfectic it's a sham.

Listening to LBC Radio about Nigel's decision and a lot of brexit callers said they will not vote for the brexit party as they feel betrayed and sold down the river. Has Nigel sealed the fate of his party the results will show when they come in.

[Jimbuna]

It is "inexplicable and shameful" that the UK government has not yet published a report on alleged Russian interference in British politics, Hillary Clinton has told the BBC.

The report has formal security clearance, but it will not be released until after the 12 December election.

"Every person who votes in this country deserves to see that report before your election happens," the former US presidential candidate said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50382668

Quite hypocritical especially coming from her.

[Jimbuna]

The BBC poll tracker as of 11th November.

Can't say how accurate it is but it can't be far wrong surely.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49798197

https://i.postimg.cc/HxJ6xsCD/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Skybird]

Yes, her reputation is what it is, but on this matter she is in principle: right. If the givernment delays the revealing of the report until ater elections, it likely includes information that could affect voters' decision. So delaying it is in principle manipulating the elections. But then, there have been so many lies and manipulations over Brexit, one more or less is not even the cream on top anymore, but just common routine. Its called politics.

[STEED]

Polls mean nothing that has been proved when MayBot was riding high in the polls calls a general election and the rest is history.

Hey jim was you whom carried out that cyberattack on Labour as reported on the news, a expert said it was like throwing a brick though a window not the style of Russia. :hmmm:

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-says-it-has-been-hit-by-large-scale-cyber-attack-11859823

[Jimbuna]

Probably Tom Watson :O:

[Jimbuna]

Nigel Farage claimed he was offered a peerage 48 hours before blinking first in his Brexit stand off with Boris Johnson .

The Brexit Party chief was forced to scrap plans to stand candidates in hundreds of seats amid mounting warnings he risked scuppering EU withdrawal.

He claimed he was offered a peerage on Friday night – just two days before his screeching U-turn boosted the Prime Minister.

But he denied the Christmas bauble was behind his decision – and vowed to snub the offer.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farages-shock-peerage-claim-20860581?fbclid=IwAR2LgUwd9H3f5VhZGOYSjMbHw8rr-UaSLEu9NJcvGAD-_uv8rICMv4xSinU

Not just in the Mirror either.

[Jimbuna]

Labour is reportedly suffering a second cyber-attack after saying it successfully thwarted one on Monday.

The party says it has "ongoing security processes in place" so users "may be experiencing some differences", which it is dealing with "quickly".

The Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack floods a computer server with traffic to try to take it offline.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50388879

Well it's certainly not preventing them from sending me emails every day :nope: