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Jimbuna

11-13-19, 10:15 AM

It looks like Philip Hammond is the latest passenger to jump aboard the gravy train.

The former chancellor of the exchequer Philip Hammond has found a job worth about £125,000 a year within a week of stepping down as an MP.

He has become a non-executive director of Irish metal and glass packaging firm Ardagh, which is listed on the New York stock exchange. The firm said Hammond had joined its board and would serve on its audit committee, which oversees financial reporting and disclosure.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/philip-hammond-joins-board-of-irish-firm-on-salary-of-%c2%a3125000/ar-BBWF9yJ?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

STEED

11-13-19, 06:16 PM

STAND BY FOR ACTION.....

Are you ready for this poll, coffee on stand by.

Tories more popular among working class than rich, new general election poll shows

The Conservative Party now has more support among working-class voters than the upper classes, according to a new poll which predicts that Boris Johnson will win a 110-seat majority at the general election.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/13/tories-popular-among-working-class-rich-new-general-election/

Wow flat cap beer swilling curry man voting tory! Hey sounds like jim voting tory..:haha:

Jimbuna

11-14-19, 05:25 AM

Wow flat cap beer swilling curry man voting tory! Hey sounds like jim voting tory..:haha:

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Jimbuna

11-14-19, 05:29 AM

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Jimbuna

11-14-19, 06:00 AM

Outgoing European Council President Donald Tusk has urged British voters not to "give up" on stopping Brexit.

As campaigning ramps up ahead of next month's general election, he warned that leaving the EU would leave the UK a "second-rate player".

In a speech, he also said Brexit would likely mark the "real end of the British Empire".

He is due to step down from his role next month, having held the post for five years.

Mr Tusk's intervention comes as Conservative leader Boris Johnson said the UK Parliament was "paralysed" and had refused "time and again to honour the mandate of the people and to deliver Brexit".

Former head of the UK diplomatic service Sir Simon Fraser said he believed Mr Tusk was a friend of the UK but argued making the comments was "not the right thing to do".

"I think the principle that politicians don't comment on the electoral affairs of other countries is a wise principle," he added.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50413638

Not very helpful at all Donald :nope:

Jimbuna

11-14-19, 10:26 AM

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Skybird

11-14-19, 04:47 PM

The EU's Super-Uschi launches proceedings against the UK for not nominating a UK commissioner.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50426569

Rockstar

11-14-19, 05:08 PM

STEED

11-15-19, 05:28 AM

If you're tired of all the solicitations for money & requests for political support. Send them the combo pack, its only $44.94 US and guaranteed anonymity.

**** WARNING NOT FOR WEAK STOMACHS *****
https://www.poopsenders.com/

I am not opening that link thank you. :doh:

Jim a mate of mind read the last six or so pages of this thread and decided to vote labour and donate to them after seeing your labour email posts. If labour wins the general election you are off my Xmas card list. :hmph:

STEED

11-15-19, 05:37 AM

Labour has promised to give every home and business in the UK free full-fibre broadband by 2030, if it wins the general election.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369

I am not knocking labour outright today on this one it just happens to be in the news, my beef is with them all. I get sick and tired of these long term promises which mean nothing at the end of the day. It just sounds good but in the real world it's BS and lazy.

Jimbuna

11-15-19, 06:01 AM

The EU's Super-Uschi launches proceedings against the UK for not nominating a UK commissioner.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50426569

Another one for the EU courts to decide definitively on.

Jimbuna

11-15-19, 06:02 AM

Jimbuna

11-15-19, 07:04 AM

BREAKING NEWS

It has just been revealed where the money is coming from to support Labours pre election spending plan promises.

https://i.postimg.cc/MGnDvJsV/76685340-10217520476976928-7131888788095107072-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

11-15-19, 09:19 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369

I am not knocking labour outright today on this one it just happens to be in the news, my beef is with them all. I get sick and tired of these long term promises which mean nothing at the end of the day. It just sounds good but in the real world it's BS and lazy.

True that :yep:

A ferocious backlash was growing today against “crazy” plans from Labour to part-nationalise BT and give away its broadband services for free.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell’s claim that it would cost only £20 billion was ripped apart by BT Group’s chief executive who said the true price tag would be close to £100 billion.

Hundreds of thousands of small shareholders took a hit as shares in the company dropped two per cent on the news, while rival TalkTalk was so spooked that it shelved the planned sale of one of its businesses.

And there were questions over who would end up shouldering a huge liability for the pensions owed to hundreds of thousands of former BT employees — a cost currently paid out of revenues from BT’s commercial activities such as selling broadband.

Under Mr McDonnell’s plan — the biggest planned giveaway of the election campaign so far — some of those revenues would cease to flow because he is planning to give away free broadband to millions of homes.

Virgin Media executive James Lusher made his views on Mr McDonnell’s raid on a fellow communications company clear by tweeting an image of a raccoon stealing food from a cat bowl, captioned: “This mine now.”

Former Labour MP Chris Leslie, now standing for the Independent Group for Change, said on Twitter: “Why so coy @uklabour? Why not throw in free SkyTV? Free iphones? Netflix and Xboxes all round? The more fantastical their ‘promises’, the less credible they become.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/general-election/general-election-news-ferocious-backlash-growing-against-labours-crazy-plan-to-part-nationalise-bt/ar-BBWOpUq?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

The reality is quite shocking :o

Skybird

11-15-19, 10:16 AM

Not shocking. Its what we (UK and beyond) get if allowing leaders and politicians to never be held liable for their deeds, claims and actions. This way, it never costs them anything and they have nothimg at risk (except their egos) when lying and cheating. At best they get not elected again (and get moved mostly to some other position), but can keep all their benefits, gains, pensions, wins, privileges.

Politicains are never held accountable, and thats why they can cheat and lie and betray as much as they want. They are immune to ever needing to face real consequences justfiying the phrase "he took the responsibility".

I am getting mad about this folly of ours these days. With big named managers, its usually (not always but mostly, 9 out of 10 times and more) the same.
Evberybody wanting to wokr in polktics, should be forced to put his own skin into the game, and he should be limited to do so for just two legislation terms, no extension ever. Maybe even extend the legislation period, and grant every politician just one: kills all the crazy circus about getting reelected. Lets say: everybody is allowed to owkr in politics for just six years, not longer. He then has to leave party, has to end membership, has to give up seat and/or office.

Mr Quatro

11-15-19, 10:30 AM

BREAKING NEWS

It has just been revealed where the money is coming from to support Labours pre election spending plan promises.

Free winds up costing something ... this free stuff is connected to your vote for Labor and then they wind up charging the tax payers for the free stuff.

I can understand reduced prices for the poor and needy, but not free :oops:

Reminds me of the 1930's in America with the promises of a chicken in every pot :yep:

STEED

11-16-19, 06:17 AM

General election: Full list of candidates in every constituencyhttps://news.sky.com/story/general-election-who-is-standing-to-be-an-mp-in-your-area-11862009

My seat I have the Cons/Lab/Lib/Gre and one Inp.

Jimbuna

11-16-19, 06:57 AM

Senior Labour Party figures are meeting to finalise the party's manifesto for next month's general election.

The party is also likely to discuss a policy to help women affected by a change in the state retirement age.

The BBC's Iain Watson said the party would consider pledging additional support for women affected when the government in 2011 sped up plans to raise the age at which women could claim the state pension from 60 to 66.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50441707

Possibly the only thing that might tempt the wife to vote Labour but I still doubt it.

Skybird

11-16-19, 06:57 AM

Seeing things through foreign glasses:

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2F article203541920%2FWahl-in-Grossbritannien-Johnson-vergeht-das-Lachen-Farage-schaeumt-vor-Wut.html

Jimbuna

11-16-19, 08:01 AM

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Jimbuna

11-16-19, 08:33 AM

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Jimbuna

11-17-19, 05:56 AM

I found this 'simple Guide' to the main political parties quite interesting.

The article starts with the SNP but at the bottom of the article are links to all the others.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50349642

Jimbuna

11-17-19, 05:58 AM

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Jimbuna

11-17-19, 06:17 AM

Boris Johnson is expected to launch a 'breakneck' dash for Brexit if he wins a Commons majority by forcing MPs to hold a Christmas withdrawal debate.

He is set to ask the Queen to open Parliament just one week after the December 12 Election and require MPs to return to Westminster on December 23 for a crunch Brexit debate.

The Mail on Sunday understands Mr Johnson's fast-track agenda would allow the Queen to leave for her traditional festive holiday at Sandringham on time and without the threat of having to break her stay for a State Opening of Parliament in January.

Government sources insisted the Prime Minister's likely schedule had not been devised for the 'convenience of Her Majesty'.

But the timetable emerged amid reports that if Mr Johnson fails to win a majority and is forced from office, the Queen may have to postpone her Christmas break and stay in London while Jeremy Corbyn and other party leaders jostle to form a coalition or minority government.

A source said: 'In that nightmare scenario, Her Majesty might have to stay in Buckingham Palace right up until Christmas Eve then interrupt her break in Norfolk to return to open Parliament in January.'

The Queen normally leaves for her Norfolk estate shortly before Christmas and stays there for several weeks.

By recent convention, the State Opening of Parliament takes place two or three weeks after a General Election – partly to allow time for the formal election of the Speaker and also to let more than 600 MPs swear their allegiance to the sovereign.

But Mr Johnson intends to slash that timetable to show his desire to achieve Brexit by the latest deadline, January 31.

He plans to cram the swearing-in process for MPs into just two days to allow Her Majesty to carry out the State Opening on Thursday, December 19 – one week after the Election.

This will surprise parliamentary officials. 'The next State Opening is expected to be in 2020,' says Parliament's official website.

One well-placed Tory source said: 'We'd get the Commons back the following Tuesday – the 17th – to elect the Speaker and then crack on with the swearing in of MPs. Two days later, Her Majesty will deliver the Queen's Speech.

'And we'd be back on the Monday, two days before Christmas Day, to have the Second Reading of the EU Withdrawal Bill.'

No 10 declined to comment.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-is-set-to-ask-the-queen-to-open-parliament-early-so-that-she-can-leave-for-her-festive-sandringham-holiday-on-time/ar-BBWRABx?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=mailsignout

Nothing beats counting your chickens before they hatch :hmmm:

STEED

11-17-19, 07:14 AM

Wise up people all these political parties don't give a dam about you, they lie to you and you believe the lies! Wake up smell the coffee they are all liar's the lot of them stop voting for their lies.

I would gladly vote for a party that tells the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Jimbuna

11-17-19, 07:35 AM

Jeremy Corbyn repeatedly refused to say today whether he wanted the UK to quit the European Union.

The Labour leader was asked five times by the BBC's Andrew Marr what his personal choice would be if he had one.

Mr Corbyn, who officially backed Remain in 2016 but has spent decades calling for the UK to leave the EU - declined to give a definitive answer.

But he admitted that he would like a 'a close relationship with the EU in the future', which may fuel suggestions he would prefer a Labour-style Brexit.

He also suggested he would include Brexiteers in his negotiating team.

Labour's current policy is to negotiate a new Brexit deal if it wins the election, and then put that deal to a second referendum.

But whether or not it backs its own Brexit deal will be decided by a special conference once it knows what the terms are.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/in-or-out-jeremy-labour-leader-refuses-to-say-if-he-wants-to-remain-in-the-eu-or-not-after-being-asked-five-times-but-admits-he-would-like-a-close-relationship-with-brussels-in-the-future/ar-BBWTOCE?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=mailsignout

Run the country?
I wouldn't trust him to run a bath :nope:

Skybird

11-17-19, 07:37 AM

https://www.economist.com/britain/2019/11/07/security-questions-for-jeremy-corbyn

Since you need subscription there ^, and probabaly not many have that, I link to the re-translation from the German translation of that article.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2 Fanalyse-unseres-partner-portals-economist-neuwahlen-am-12-12-jeremy-corbyn-waere-eine-radikale-herausforderung-fuer-allianzen_id_11349941.html

In fact, Corbyn is a long way from the cuddly pacifist of Glastonbury lore. At the center of his views is not the opposition to war, but to "Western imperialism". His hostility to the "imperial powers" (especially America and Israel) is so strong that he is willing to seek excuse for "anti-imperial powers" such as Russia and Syria (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/orte/syrien/&xid=25657,15700021,15700186,15700191,15700256,1570 0259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700280,15700283&usg=ALkJrhhMnjrrDgT3h7x2d5x9fYSK-9trDg) , as well as terrorist organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas.(...) His sympathy for victims of oppression ends when the countries that oppress him are Vladimir Putin's (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/personen/wladimir-putin/&xid=25657,15700021,15700186,15700191,15700256,1570 0259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700280,15700283&usg=ALkJrhjixzHxNDnY90JOCXdYyulXb1qknA) Russia, Nicolás Maduros Venezuela (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/orte/venezuela/&xid=25657,15700021,15700186,15700191,15700256,1570 0259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700280,15700283&usg=ALkJrhiXCDJAJKIZgAe-Q_AhST_zz0SHRQ) or - in the 1990s - Slobodan Milosevic's Serbia (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/orte/serbien/&xid=25657,15700021,15700186,15700191,15700256,1570 0259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700280,15700283&usg=ALkJrhgV_R-ICuFJxkD5In0b3IReo5iBGw) . In a 2014 speech on the occasion of the 35th anniversary of the Iranian (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/orte/iran/&xid=25657,15700021,15700186,15700191,15700256,1570 0259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700280,15700283&usg=ALkJrhhXKZiBYCnO2SiVqpjY2ROAFtUw7w) Revolution, he praised the regime's "tolerance and acceptance of other beliefs, traditions and ethnic groups".

Jimbuna

11-17-19, 07:42 AM

^ So very true and hence the reason I left the Labour Party the day after he won the leadership election.

Skybird

11-17-19, 07:59 AM

Somehow I have a bad feelig about those elections. I have a feeling of that it will not go as Johnson expects. I hope my feeling is wrong.

Jimbuna

11-17-19, 08:02 AM

^ Agreed but not in its entirety. This election has so many potential twists and turns anything is possible.
I'm not even confident Brexit will actually happen.

Jimbuna

11-18-19, 06:27 AM

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Jimbuna

11-18-19, 10:23 AM

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STEED

11-19-19, 08:12 AM

For anyone whom will be watching this......

Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn will face each other later in the first TV debate of the election campaign.

The head-to-head between the Conservative and Labour leaders, hosted by news presenter Julie Etchingham, will be shown on ITV at 20:00 GMT.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50472452

I will not be watching this pile of horse (bleep) as I know they will tell a pack of lies with a good helping of BS. I am going to stick a movie on my day off.

STEED

11-19-19, 08:25 AM

General election: John Bercow to join Sky News for election night coverage

The former Speaker will join host Dermot Murnaghan to give his colourful take on events as they unfold.
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-john-bercow-to-join-sky-news-for-election-night-coverage-11864334

Good reason not to tune in.

Jimbuna

11-19-19, 08:48 AM

For anyone whom will be watching this......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50472452

I will not be watching this pile of horse (bleep) as I know they will tell a pack of lies with a good helping of BS. I am going to stick a movie on my day off.

I should imagine it will be rather 'entertaining'.

Jimbuna

11-19-19, 08:53 AM

https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-john-bercow-to-join-sky-news-for-election-night-coverage-11864334

Good reason not to tune in.

Even though still in early retirement it would appear he has retained the capability of picking a winner.

https://i.postimg.cc/mgvtrPVs/maxresdefault.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

11-19-19, 08:58 AM

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has said workers and consumers would "take back control" under a new business model if Labour wins the election.

In a speech in Westminster, he said company boards would include workers and elected members, giving them greater influence over pay structure.

And public sector chief executives would not be allowed to earn more than 20 times someone on the living wage.

That would mean a maximum salary of about £350,000.

The plans were part of an overall vision to create a business model that was not based on the "unfettered pursuit of profit maximisation".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50474345

He's either read this in the little red Mao book he admits he carries around him or fancies himself as the modern day 'Citizen Smith'
https://i.postimg.cc/yYWdXmbK/maxresdefault.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

11-19-19, 01:04 PM

mapuc

11-19-19, 05:21 PM

???

We will negotiate a new deal and we will have a real referendum

Something like that was what I heard the leader of Labour party saying in this head to head debate on Danish tv.

I can't remember if he said real or genuin

It made me wonder though..was the referendum you held in 2016 not real or genuin ?

Markus

STEED

11-19-19, 06:00 PM

YouGov snap poll
Who do you think came off best?

Boris 51%

Jeremy 49%

LBC radio talking to Chris Curtace of YouGov

Sounds like as it stands Hung Parliament.

:hmmm:

Skybird

11-20-19, 01:59 AM

YouGov snap poll
Who do you think came off best?

Putin. :O:

Some ballots count more than others. :ping: :O:

Jimbuna

11-20-19, 05:34 AM

YouGov snap poll
Who do you think came off best?

Boris 51%

Jeremy 49%

LBC radio talking to Chris Curtace of YouGov

Sounds like as it stands Hung Parliament.

:hmmm:

Boris didn't perform as well as I expected and Steptoe performed better than I expected but Boris edged it if for nothing more than repeatedly teasing Steptoe as to how he would vote in a second referendum.

Jimbuna

11-20-19, 05:36 AM

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Jimbuna

11-20-19, 07:16 AM

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Catfish

11-20-19, 07:46 AM

YouGov snap poll
Who do you think came off best? :hmmm:
Putin. :O:

Exactly. As just of all Express UK wrote in june 2019:

"Putin would like to see Britain outside of Europe."

"... would like to have Britain in an alliance against Europe, because of the EU’s values of free speech and liberalism are seen as real threats to his form of power."

STEED

11-20-19, 08:58 AM

I get the impression the voters were turned off by their same old lacklustre BS, any luck more and more people will not vote for these liars.

Jimbuna

11-20-19, 10:47 AM

STEED

11-20-19, 03:45 PM

Dominic Raab on 'factcheckUK': 'No-one gives a toss about social media cut and thrust'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-50487624/dominic-raab-on-factcheckuk-no-one-gives-a-toss-about-social-media-cut-and-thrust

Twitter has said the Conservative Party misled the public through the rebranding.

Don't tell that morron Raab that as he would say only Labour misleads the voters. :haha:

For crying out loud give me a party that will tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth then I will vote for them. This lot we have now are a bloody disgrace a total sham that clearly has no problem telling lies. How can I trust any of them, stop the lies!

STEED

11-20-19, 06:37 PM

General election: John le Carre and Joanna Lumley among public figures refusing to vote Labour over antisemitismhttps://news.sky.com/story/general-election-john-le-carre-and-joanna-lumley-among-public-figures-refusing-to-vote-labour-over-antisemitism-11861884

The nameless one would say we have sorted the problem out.

:doh:

mapuc

11-20-19, 07:10 PM

I have this standpoint not to take part in an another countries politics only ask question about their system, politicians a.s.o.

And not to forget thoughts

I need to break my standpoint

For this simple thing, ´cause your politicians are like ours

I say go and vote-
It's not every day you get the chance to pick who's going to be your Father Christmas and who shall be his elves.

Markus

Jimbuna

11-21-19, 07:01 AM

Labour is launching its general election manifesto, which includes plans for a windfall tax on oil firms.

Leader Jeremy Corbyn said it was "a manifesto of hope" and promised "a green transformation" of the economy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50497288

Should make an interesting read for all the wrong reasons :)

Labour didn't honour their pledge in the previous manifesto about honouring the referendum vote so why should anyone believe whatever they will be announcing today?

Jimbuna

11-21-19, 07:05 AM

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Jimbuna

11-21-19, 07:47 AM

The Labour manifesto LIVE:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50499720

STEED

11-21-19, 08:41 AM

I say go and vote-

Markus
FOR LIARS NEVER NEVER NEVER, I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THESE LIARS.

People who vote should be a shame of themselves voting for lies.

STEED

11-21-19, 08:45 AM

The Labour manifesto

SPEND SPEND SPEND, BORROW SPEND SPEND BORROW BORROW SPEND, BANKRUPT BORROW BORROW SPEND SPEND SPEND TOTALLY BANKRUPT IN TIME FOR THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION.

Madness rules the roost in Labour. :doh:

Skybird

11-21-19, 08:50 AM

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fwirtschaft%2Farticle 203124204%2FGrossbritannien-bestellt-deutsche-Panzer-fuer-ueber-drei-Milliarden-Euro.html

Before the elections could bring another government to power, Great Britain orders 500 Boxer wheeled transport tanks for rapid troop transport to the front in Germany.
Not a bad choice. The Boxer seems to be kind of the refernce in its category, by all what I have read about it. And not the many of problems that for example the Puma IFV is plagued with.

Jimbuna

11-21-19, 09:42 AM

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fwirtschaft%2Farticle 203124204%2FGrossbritannien-bestellt-deutsche-Panzer-fuer-ueber-drei-Milliarden-Euro.html

Not a bad choice. The Boxer seems to be kind of the refernce in its category, by all what I have read about it. And not the many of problems that for example the Puma IFV is plagued with.

Due in 2023, plenty of scope for Steptoe to cancel the order if he gets into office and blame the Tories for any cancellation fees.

Jimbuna

11-21-19, 10:23 AM

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MGR1

11-21-19, 10:32 AM

RE: The proposed threshold increase for National Insurance.

Conservative Home's article on the policy: LINK (https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/11/national-insurance-a-cummings-tax-policy-begins-to-take-shape.html).

How's that going to affect state pension eligibility if it goes through? It may be a short term gain for lower earners, but will it bite them in the posterior when it comes to their retirement age and they discover that their state pension is tiny?

I do hope that people will be given the option to continue to pay full contributions if they so choose.

Unless Cumming's end game is the abolition of the state pension entirely and all pension liabilities are then born by employers, similar to the situation in the US?

Mike.:hmmm:

Jimbuna

11-21-19, 10:42 AM

^ One of my worst fears being the end of the state pension for those already in receipt of one already paying more than the state pension does.

Jimbuna

11-21-19, 10:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVDMRiGaVEU

Jimbuna

11-21-19, 11:13 AM

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mapuc

11-21-19, 12:23 PM

FOR LIARS NEVER NEVER NEVER, I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THESE LIARS.

People who vote should be a shame of themselves voting for lies.

I was thinking on your signatures and it's almost Christmas.

Father Christmas, Santa Claus is a fairy tale and thinking on how our politicians keep on lying or step aside from the truth, you could say they are living in a fairy tale imagine.

Markus

STEED

11-21-19, 05:54 PM

Politicians without doubt do not live in the real world, politics is like sport to them trying to win medals and get showered in glitter.

We stand no chance and as long as they keep those lies coming people who are not wide awake will fall for their lies. No hope what so ever...

Jimbuna

11-22-19, 06:17 AM

Nigel Farage is unveiling the Brexit Party's general election policies, promising "fundamental change" for the UK after it leaves the EU.

The party leader has said he will not publish a manifesto, but instead make a "contract with the British people".

The Brexit Party is running in 275 seats, after deciding to stand down in the 317 won by the Tories in 2017.

Its main focus is on leaving the EU, but it is also promising action on immigration and the environment.

Among policies already announced, the Brexit Party is offering a cap on permanent immigration of 50,000 a year, the abolition of the House of Lords and a large-scale tree planting programme across the UK.

Mr Farage has also indicated his party will campaign for postal voting to be limited to elderly, infirm and overseas voters, citing "many examples of intimidation and fraud".

He has pledged a £10,000 allowance for every UK company before they have to pay corporation tax, and said the party would continue to campaign for a "clean break from all EU institutions" after Brexit - with Brexit Party MPs "vital in holding Johnson to his word" in Parliament.

"We see Brexit as the beginning of a real fundamental change, not the end," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

Several other political parties have launched traditional manifestos - outlining policy commitments for government - this week, but Mr Farage and his colleagues have declined to do so.

"The word manifesto - I think in a word association test, most people would say 'lie'," Mr Farage said. "I think it's now a defunct word".

"We are used to, in this modern era of career politics, parties saying things in manifestos that they think the electorate want to hear but without the slightest intention of delivering them," he added.

"I'm going for a different idea, which is a contract with the people - I think it makes more sense."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50511014

I've very little to no time for this man but at least he is not allowing his backside to write cheques his mouth cannot cash.

That is more than what the other parties are currently doing.

Jimbuna

11-22-19, 06:25 AM

The leaders of the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats and the SNP will be quizzed by audience members later on a BBC Question Time special.

The live programme, hosted by Fiona Bruce in Sheffield, will be broadcast on BBC One at 19:00.

Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, Jo Swinson and Nicola Sturgeon will have 30 minutes each to answer questions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50511329

Looking forward to this but I won't be in when it is broadcast tonight so the Virgin TV V6 box is set to 'record'

Jimbuna

11-22-19, 07:41 AM

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Skybird

11-22-19, 08:07 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50508360

Truth is, Brussels is preparing to offer Boris Johnson a quick FTA should he win the election - with zero tariffs on goods - but also with the utmost levels of EU regulation bells and whistles attached (the so-called level playing field provisions). This would mean the prime minister signing up to EU environmental regulations, for example, and the bloc's state aid rules.
This is in Brussels's interest, of course. To reassure EU members that the UK won't have a huge competitive advantage over them after Brexit, but if Boris Johnson agrees to an FTA with the EU under those terms, then where is the national sovereignty he promised voters after Brexit?
My European contacts tell me the prime minister has already informed them that he can't accept being tied to EU rules like that. He will certainly try to negotiate those EU demands away. But that will take time. Which is why the EU believes, under Boris Johnson, the UK may leave the bloc in January - in legal terms.
But that practically speaking, the UK will end up still paying into the EU budget for a lot longer; still remaining a member of the customs union and the single market, with continued free movement to the UK for EU citizens - while a trade deal is negotiated. This temporary state of being out of the EU, yet still in it to all intents and purposes (though with no decision-making powers any more) is called the transition period.
Right now, Boris Johnson insists he won't extend transition beyond December next year, but the EU has seen him break his political pledges before. If he wins a majority at the polls, he could quite easily break this one. Brussels thinks he'll have to.

Jimbuna

11-22-19, 08:26 AM

Skybird

11-22-19, 08:48 AM

If Boris wins an overall majority his negotiating power will be greatly enhanced but we will have to await the outcome of the election first.

If we do eventually leave I hope there is no acrimony in future relations.
Norway got not what Boris aims at getting, and Switzerland is being forced more and more under ECB and EU rules while not even being associated with the block like Norway is with its special arrangement. That should be all answer to you that you need. The EU is not set to let you go. They will always try to get you under full control again, directly or indirectely, formally or informally.

Its the old Mafia motto, you see. "You do not leave the family." At least not alive.

STEED

11-22-19, 09:12 AM

Jim I hear Diane Abbott coming around your house wearing sexy underwear. Something to do you are having trouble with your email. :03:

Moving on.....

With three weeks to go no one has knocked on my door and only four leaflets all from the Libs, not a word from the rest so far. :arrgh!:

Jimbuna

11-22-19, 09:19 AM

Norway got not what Boris aims at getting, and Switzerland is being forced more and more under ECB and EU rules while not even being associated with the block like Norway is with its special arrangement. That should be all answer to you that you need. The EU is not set to let you go. They will always try to get you under full control again, directly or indirectely, formally or informally.

Its the old Mafia motto, you see. "You do not leave the family." At least not alive.

Only time will tell Sky.

Jimbuna

11-22-19, 09:22 AM

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Skybird

11-22-19, 09:25 AM

Only time will tell Sky.
What abiut experience? Back precedence? The UK will not be the first country trying to strike trade deals with the block. Nor is it the biggest such actor. Especially african and South-American countries can sing a song of that. There is a simple recipe for negotiating on same eye-level with the EU: you have to be stronger than it, and heavier in economic weight. If you are not that, you have to play the game by their conditions.

Same is true with your hopes for Trump/the US, btw. And of course China, which tries to push others into deep finciao and eocniomic depe3ndency, and then dicatets them terms and ciodntions, beyond the orgional trade negotiations's focus. They currently roll up most of Africa with this trick: giving cheap credits, pushing states deeper into debts with attractive interests until there is no escape anymore - and then starting to let the mask fall.

Jimbuna

11-22-19, 09:53 AM

I suppose that is the way of the world for most countries these days but you have to give it a go. Either that or remain in the EU which is far from being a reality even today.

Jimbuna

11-22-19, 11:26 AM

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MGR1

11-22-19, 01:25 PM

As a side note, the latest news regarding a certain former MP, MSP and First Minister of Scotland:

Alex Salmond accused of sexual assaults on 10 women (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50486713)

An explainer, courtesy of Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/dzh694/bbc_news_alex_salmond_accused_of_sexual_assaults/?sort=new):

In case you aren't familiar with Scottish (legal) procedure(s).

Salmond has been charged with 14 offences. These are:

One attempted rape
One sexual assault with intent to rape
Ten sexual assaults
Two indecent assaults

Scotland has four/five options for criminal trials:

Summary proceedings in Justice of the Peace Courts — where the maximum sentence is 60 days in prison and a fine of £2,500; although these courts rarely send people to prison
Summary proceedings in Sheriff Courts — where the maximum sentence is 12 months in prison and a fine of £10,000
Solemn proceedings (with a jury) in the Sheriff Courts — where the maximum sentence is 5 years in prison and an unlimited fine
Solemn proceedings in the High Court of Justiciary; this is the only court that can hear trials for treason, rape, and murder; in theory it can hear any offence, but most of it's workload is murder, rape, armed robbery, and sex crimes against children — the maximum sentence here is life in prison and an unlimited fine
Criminal proceedings in the Court of the Lord Lyon; which only deals with criminal matters relating to Scottish Heraldry (and as a specialist court generally isn't counted as an option) — the maximum sentence here is a fine (which varies on the offence), and forfeiture of (heraldic) arms

This case is being heard with a jury in the High Court; which is necessary because of the High Court's exclusive jurisdiction over the two rape charges.

Scottish juries consist of 15 members, and eight are required to agree the verdict (unlike England the jury don't need the judge's permission to return a majority verdict). The options for the verdict are: proven, not proven, and not guilty; (although to tell the distinction between them it can be helpful to think of these as guilty, not guilty, and innocent).

There will be one trial with one jury of 15 members, and at the end of the proceedings the jury will be asked to deliberate and return a verdict on each of the 14 charges. There's no requirement for the jury to come to the same verdict on every charge.

If there is a guilty verdict on more than one charge, the judge will give a sentence on each of the charges for which there was a guilty verdict (but can reference the multiple convictions as an aggravating factor in each sentence). Sentences are usually (and near always) served concurrently, (in practice) meaning only the most severe sentence matters.
Mike.

STEED

11-22-19, 06:24 PM

Anyone voting?

As you all know I will not as I have given my reasons.

Roll on three weeks time and this garbage will be done and dusted.

Jimbuna

11-23-19, 06:55 AM

Jimbuna

11-23-19, 07:06 AM

Looking forward to this but I won't be in when it is broadcast tonight so the Virgin TV V6 box is set to 'record'

Watched it a few hours after it was originally aired and whilst not expecting any groundbreaking information I must admit it was quite refreshing to hear what each of the four leaders were proposing whilst the information from their opponents was still fresh in the mind.

One negative for me was Sturgeon chuntering on about Scottish independence more than on the forthcoming general election.

Question Time debate: Election leaders fact-checked.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50524914

Skybird

11-23-19, 07:37 AM

Corbyn's at it again, I read. When the little Marxist starts killing nerves, he really puts his heart into it, doesn't he. Indifference and weaseling and avoiding and manouvering - a "sign of maturity" (original quote Corbyn)? Missed by a lightyear. Plainout lying and misleading the public is closer to the truth, I say.

Jimbuna

11-23-19, 07:49 AM

Jeremy Corbyn has defended his decision to adopt a neutral stance in a future Brexit referendum as "a sign of strength" and "maturity".

The Labour leader told a BBC Question Time leaders' special on Friday that he would not campaign for Leave or Remain if his party wins power.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50530163

He's certainly a hypocritical liar as far as I'm concerned Sky.

He has been a leading EU sceptic for decades now but can't 'come out' because the northern heartlands are being betrayed by Labour Party dithering and in-fighting.

Much like the Tories one could say but at least Boris is open with the public about his intentions and whilst not agreeing with the Lib Dem stance at least they also had the courage to declare their intentions publicly.

STEED

11-23-19, 08:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cQMzVjHBeI

Just watched this pile of horse dung and all it did for me was to reinforce my stand point do not vote for these liars none of them can be trusted.

As for Sturgeon it was crystal clear get Scotland out of the union and stay in the EU.

Skybird

11-23-19, 08:35 AM

George Cowley for PM! :yeah: Gotta problem with that Corbyn thing? Send in Bowdie and Doyle. Solved.:cool:

Jimbuna

11-23-19, 08:40 AM

Meanwhile, in Hartlepool, having eaten a piece of millionaire's shortbread earlier, and snapping up a Christmas card for his mum from a stall in the shopping centre, Nigel Farage has stopped for a quick refresher in a pub.

Weighing in to the discussion of Jeremy Corbyn's stance on Brexit, he said, unsurprisingly, that it was "astonishing".

"It's also a reflection that he knows his own parliamentary party are Remainers... so he's still trying to stay on that fence and it's not working", he said.

:har:

STEED

11-23-19, 08:42 AM

George Cowley for PM! :yeah: Gotta problem with that Corbyn thing? Send in Bowdie and Doyle. Solved.:cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55gpif0a0P8

ROCK ON SKY, THAT IS A GREAT IDEA I LIKE IT. :yeah: :salute: :up:

Jimbuna

11-23-19, 08:44 AM

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MGR1

11-23-19, 09:26 AM

One negative for me was Sturgeon chuntering on about Scottish independence more than on the forthcoming general election.

As for Sturgeon it was crystal clear get Scotland out of the union and stay in the EU.

Remember gents, your not Sturgeon or the SNP's intended audience when it comes to these things. She's pitching to her "home" audience and support, not voters elsewhere in the UK.:03:

We'll see what the election results are, but I don't think the SNP are going to have it all their own way.

Mind you, it would be pretty funny if the Nats turfed Swinson out of her seat.:har:

Mike.

Jimbuna

11-23-19, 10:41 AM

GPs vote to reduce patient home visits.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50527179

I find this quite disturbing but note it is only England under the spotlight here.

Jimbuna

11-23-19, 11:31 AM

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STEED

11-24-19, 06:08 AM

Lots of polls out putting the Tories out in front...

Wait a minute we have been down this road before and we all know what happened. :yep:

Tory manifesto comes out today will there be blunders like last time. :hmmm:

Jimbuna

11-24-19, 06:10 AM

Lets see what it is your smoking in your pipe Boris.

Jimbuna

11-24-19, 06:12 AM

Labour has promised compensation to more than three million women who lost out on years of state pension payments when their retirement age was raised, if it wins the general election.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the pledge would settle a "debt of honour" to women born in the 1950s.

Those expecting to retire at 60 were told they would have to wait years longer when changes to the state pension age were accelerated in 2010.

Labour said its promise may cost £58bn.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50534118

My wife is a victim of this injustice and even she is saying "Where does he think he is going to get the money from"?

STEED

11-24-19, 06:12 AM

Lets see what it is your smoking in your pipe Boris.
£50 notes and grass :haha:

Jimbuna

11-24-19, 06:13 AM

More like weed me thinks.

STEED

11-24-19, 06:19 AM

I got weeds....:hmmm:

Ching ching...:)

Money in the bank...:yeah:

Get your weed here boris.... :03:

Oh wait wrong kind...:doh:

Got to laugh...:haha:

Jimbuna

11-24-19, 06:21 AM

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Jimbuna

11-24-19, 06:29 AM

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STEED

11-24-19, 06:32 AM

And what is so funny about that they are the very people labour wants to vote for them and in most part they are to lazy to vote for them.

I have found out there is a Independant candidate standing in my seat they may get my vote if I like what I hear from them.

Jimbuna

11-24-19, 06:35 AM

Most magnanimous of you.

Jimbuna

11-24-19, 07:22 AM

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Jimbuna

11-24-19, 08:54 AM

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mapuc

11-24-19, 11:56 AM

My wife is a victim of this injustice and even she is saying "Where does he think he is going to get the money from"?

Isn't there a saying - "Talk is cheap" ?

Markus

Jimbuna

11-25-19, 05:31 AM

Isn't there a saying - "Talk is cheap" ?

Markus

Most definitely Markus and nothing is cheaper than the rhetoric that usually comes out of a marxists mouth.

Jimbuna

11-25-19, 05:55 AM

Conservative Party manifesto 2019: 13 key policies explained.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50524262

Jimbuna

11-25-19, 05:55 AM

Labour Party manifesto 2019: 12 key policies explained.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50501411

STEED

11-25-19, 07:24 AM

Manifesto's are a load of horse dung and should be banned on the grounds they are lies. They promise everything and deliver nothing when the winner comes to power.

I hear old Teflon Tony has made another speech.

Jimbuna

11-25-19, 07:38 AM

A couple of points to those who are obviously less informed:

Steptoe promising to spend a minimum of £89 billion per year against that of £2.9 billion in the Tory manifesto.

That is a factor of x28 and doesn't include the hundreds of billions it would entail to nationalise Gas, Electricity, Post Office, Water etc. etc.

Nor does it include the figure of close to £60 billion to compensate WASPI (my wife included).

There is growing evidence large companies are preparing to move there operational financial assets abroad should Steptoe win the election so what of the profits and resultant job losses this would entail?

Even more importantly, who will end up paying for the financial and economic meltdown?

Pretty obvious, the working masses.

Marxism and socialism in action, the state remains in control of everything and the people pay for it by one means or another.

STEED

11-25-19, 08:14 AM

Jimbuna

11-25-19, 08:18 AM

She is most definitely wrong and I have that from an internal authority on the matter.

STEED

11-25-19, 08:32 AM

Just been listening to the radio they were saying the poll of polls puts bojo on 40 plus seats. :hmmm:

Seems some what high to me.

Catfish

11-25-19, 08:33 AM

A couple of points to those who are obviously less informed:

Even more importantly, who will end up paying for the financial and economic meltdown? Pretty obvious, the working masses.

Marxism and socialism in action, the state remains in control of everything and the people pay for it by one means or another.
So good that right now things are so different, eh? ;) :haha:

Maybe if the "working masses" (where obviously no one here belongs to) would stop to watch right wing media tailored for their desinformation, there could be some progress.

Jimbuna

11-25-19, 08:41 AM

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Jimbuna

11-25-19, 02:08 PM

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Jimbuna

11-25-19, 02:12 PM

Some young woman on Sky News said it did, that bit I highlighted in your comment jim. I did not believe word of it as she came across as a know all Marxist she was in the right and everyone else is a liar.

Labour has announced a policy to compensate some of the women who lost out as a result of changes to the pension age.

The campaign for compensation has been led by the group Women Against State Pension Inequality (Waspi).

Under a Labour government, women born between 6 April 1950 and 5 April 1955 would be paid £100 for each week of entitlement lost.

Those born between 6 April 1955 and 6 April 1960 would receive smaller amounts.

Labour's Angela Rayner told BBC News: "The government failed the women who were born in the 1950s. They stole their pension."

The maximum compensation would be £31,300, with an average payment of £15,380.

Labour says the policy would cost about £58bn, paid in instalments over five years.

Labour's John Healey told BBC News: "This is not normal government spending - it's not a regular spending commitment - that's why it wasn't costed as part of our grey book exercise."

The grey book is the document Labour released alongside the manifesto that has costings for all day-to-day spending.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50546923

STEED

11-25-19, 06:30 PM

General election 2019: Chief Rabbi attacks Labour anti-Semitism record

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50552068

Labour are a disgrace on this matter, years this has been going on and still they hardly do a thing.

Jimbuna

11-26-19, 06:16 AM

The Labour Party are the only party other than the British National Party to be investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission into allegations of antisemitism.

Says it all for me.

Jimbuna

11-26-19, 06:20 AM

Labour plans to teach British Empire injustice in schools.

Children will be taught about injustice and the role of the British Empire as part of the national curriculum under Labour, the party says.

At the launch of his race and faith manifesto on Tuesday, Jeremy Corbyn will say a new trust will educate on how to address the legacy of slavery.

He will also set out policies on how to combat anti-Semitism in Britain.

The Tories said it was "staggering" to see Labour "lecture people" during a probe over claims of anti-Semitism.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50551765

How can anyone be naive enough to vote for a terrorist sympathiser holding so much contempt for his own country.

This is nothing short of treason I reckon.

Jimbuna

11-26-19, 06:23 AM

I'd have answered that if you hadn't of deleted it :03:

Catfish

11-26-19, 06:25 AM

Jimbuna

11-26-19, 06:29 AM

It would appear the leader of the Church of England is concerned enough to add his weight on the matter.

The archbishop of Canterbury has in effect backed the chief rabbi’s comments on the Labour leadership’s record on antisemitism with a tweet highlighting the “deep sense of insecurity and fear felt by many British Jews”.

Justin Welby does not explicitly refer to the Labour party, but his intervention a few hours after the chief rabbi’s excoriating public criticism of Jeremy Corbyn is significant.

In an article in the Times, Ephraim Mirvis, Britain’s most senior Jewish leader, accused Corbyn of allowing a “poison sanctioned from the top” to take root in the party, saying the way the Labour leadership had dealt with anti-Jewish racism was “incompatible with the British values of which we are so proud – of dignity and respect for all people”.

Welby posted on Twitter: “That the chief rabbi should be compelled to make such an unprecedented statement at this time ought to alert us to the deep sense of insecurity and fear felt by many British Jews. They should be able to love in accordance with their beliefs and freely express their culture and faith.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/justin-welby-backs-chief-rabbi-after-labour-antisemitism-remarks/ar-BBXla1b?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

STEED

11-26-19, 07:05 AM

The Labour Party are the only party other than the British National Party to be investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission into allegations of antisemitism.

Says it all for me.

How can anyone be naive enough to vote for a terrorist sympathiser holding so much contempt for his own country.

This is nothing short of treason I reckon.

Labour will continual to say we are sorting the matter out and say this and that. Words mean nothing the evidence speaks for itself, year in year out always popping up on the news and labour MP's defect to the Libdems.

SHAME ON YOU THE LABOUR PARTY:nope:

As for the nameless one his words and actions stand out from here to the moon! Anyone voting Labour is short sighted or supports organisations that are criminals.

STEED

11-26-19, 08:11 AM

The nameless one was on the news giving another BS statement on equality, after the few lines the lie meter went off and I turned off.:x

MOVING ON......

Former Conservative Deputy Prime Minister Lord Heseltine has urged Tory voters to back Lib Dem or independent candidates in next month's poll.

Lord Heseltine, who served under Margaret Thatcher and John Major, said Boris Johnson's Brexit policy would be "utterly disastrous" for the country.

He said the PM's "get Brexit done" by January slogan was "nonsense" and there was still a risk of a no-deal exit.

But cabinet minister Michael Gove said his ex-colleague was "wrong" on this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50555146

The old saying is the older you get the more right wing you get. I say here is the evidence to suggest that is not true, granted old Tarzan shifted from centre right to centre left and now further left. Any further left and he will be strapping on a big pair of Marxist bobber boots. :haha:

Skybird

11-26-19, 09:04 AM

Actually it is true that in case of formal Brexit with deal intention done by January, and later the negotiations for the nitty gritty of terms and conditons failing, things could lead to a no-deal brexit nevertheless.

I wonder what Labour then would do, say in two or three years from now on. Negotiations faltered, no agreement. Campaigning for reversing the Brexit formality of January 2020 then?

I stick to it after all thes emonths and years. Do a no deal brexit without hiding the no-deal in it. Do it and stick to it and get over it. Flip the page, start on a new empty one, start from scratch. Break ties with the years of British EU membership. And then follow your own course, no matter the EU. Will be a tough ride in the early years, the continentalists will not forget it and will not forgive it. You betrayed them over their wanted prey, and put their claim for total and totalitarian power and control over all of Europe down.

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Here is my alternative. Add a free trade zone to NATO. And then send both the ECB and the EU with anything else it wants to be to hell, once and forever. Thats what we should want. A free trade zone, and a robust defence alliance for the Northatlantic region. This. And not one bit more.

Jimbuna

11-26-19, 09:12 AM

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Here is my alternative. Add a free trade zone to NATO. And then send both the ECB and the EU with anything else it wants to be to hell, once and forever. Thats what we should want. A free trade zone, and a robust defence alliance for the Northatlantic region. This. And not one bit more.

I think that would work for me :yep:

Jimbuna

11-26-19, 09:19 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/8k2SB72Z/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/521WTZNv/Untitled2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

11-26-19, 12:24 PM

They're a day out with this one.

https://i.postimg.cc/4dvMT14d/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/J01F7BtQ/Untitled2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

STEED

11-26-19, 06:51 PM

Well what do you expect from a anti-semite......

Jeremy Corbyn has declined to apologise to the UK Jewish community after the chief rabbi criticised how the party deals with anti-Semitism claims. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50564965

Labour party is antisemitic party ruled by a terrorist lover. :nope:

STEED

11-26-19, 07:00 PM

Moving on I was speaking to a lady about the Hustings here and she said our Tory MP was a ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ lying bitch and you know what, she will get re-elected.

Well as far as I am aware at the moment the LIbs and Lab have not made it a target seat to capture. One thing I know what she said was correct our MP does not live here.

Jimbuna

11-27-19, 06:13 AM

Jimbuna

11-27-19, 06:21 AM

Labour says it has evidence the NHS is at risk under a post-Brexit trade deal with the US.

At a press conference in London, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said he had a 451-page dossier showing talks had taken place on drug pricing and access to NHS contracts.

He warned it could lead to the NHS paying more for drugs and "run-away privatisation" of health care.

The Tories have said the NHS is not at risk under a future trade deal.

In its manifesto, published at the weekend, the party explicitly stated neither the price paid for drugs or the services provided would be "on the table".

The BBC has not yet had chance to analyse the dossier.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572454

I seriously hope this is not in fact the case but if it were to be true there still shouldn't be a problem because Labour would simply shake their magic money tree a little more and buy it all back through nationalisation.

Jimbuna

11-27-19, 06:27 AM

Jeremy Corbyn has admitted some of those on lower incomes could pay more tax under a future Labour government.

The Labour leader had previously insisted only the richest 5% of taxpayers, those earning about £80,000 a year or more, would face tax rises.

But he was forced to concede a plan to scrap a tax break for married couples would impact those earning less.

Mr Corbyn argued in a BBC interview that those affected would benefit from a higher living wage.

"They will also be getting improvement in free nursery provision for two to four-year-olds," he added.

Challenged on the policy in an interview with Andrew Neil on Tuesday night, Mr Corbyn conceded couples in receipt of the marriage allowance would no longer receive a reduction in tax if he wins power next month.

"They won't get the advantage, it's actually taking away £250," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50567979

It hasn't taken long to debunk that manifesto promise then.

Jimbuna

11-27-19, 06:30 AM

Have you read the post above yours?

It has nothing to do with the Tory manifesto.

Jimbuna

11-27-19, 06:38 AM

HAHA....you get it right eventually :haha:

STEED

11-27-19, 06:40 AM

I seriously hope this is not in fact the case but if it were to be true there still shouldn't be a problem because Labour would simply shake their magic money tree a little more and buy it all back through nationalisation.
If that is true it will cost bojo votes. If bojo gets in and goes all the way then he has sealed the fate of the tories they will be out of power for a very long time come the following general election.

Bloody tablet is a pain in the rear at times, all sorted. :)

Jimbuna

11-27-19, 06:42 AM

Third time lucky :up:

Jimbuna

11-27-19, 07:27 AM

Nicola Sturgeon launchesthe SNP election manifesto today and accuses Boris Johnson of being "dangerous and unfit for office"

My response would be "Are any of you fit and capable"?

Jimbuna

11-27-19, 08:29 AM

Right on cue. I was expecting something along these lines today.

https://i.postimg.cc/QtLNQ1fJ/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/HxQYBnKD/Untitled2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/MHqW4x2c/Untitled2a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

JU_88

11-27-19, 12:45 PM

If there are two things in Britain that are beyond saving, its the NHS and the Labour party.
Cant blame the man for trying though.
What irks me is how many Labour supporters I speak to who seem to think the problem with the NHS has been 'tory cuts' and Brexit
There is some evidence for Brexit effecting Staffing level as some EU NHS staff have quit and left the UK as a result, however - its never actually been 'cut' by any government ever.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publications/bns/BN201.pdf
As for selling part of it off, It wouldnt surprise me, and I wouldnt trust Borris as far as I could throw him. But nationalised services free board band are not the big issues of the moment and once again Labour seem keen to try and ignore the two largest elephants in the room. Brexit and high levels of immigration.

Mariner1

11-27-19, 05:31 PM

Concentrating on policies rather than personalities, the SNP has been anti-Trident for a long time as both Rosyth and Faslane naval bases are in Scotland. Labour's manifesto this time round pledges to renew Trident. The pressure may be on if a hung Parliament encourages SNP and Labour to co-operate in government, and the price of SNP co-operation could be a move of sub facilities out of Scotland and perhaps out of 'Scottish waters' too. I'd glumly expect the professionals in the Royal Navy and Ministry of Defence to be at cross purposes with elected politicos for the next five years, and who's to say who's right?

mapuc

11-27-19, 05:56 PM

JU_88

11-27-19, 06:19 PM

If a voter want a brexit, which party or politicians should s/he put their vote on.

and the other way around.

I must say I have my doubt if you ever will leave EU fully.
I think even with the most pro-brexit party or politicians you will only leave EU partly.

Markus

You are probably right. A half in half out solution is also the safest politically speaking. Since you're not outright kicking sand in the face of about half the UK one way or the other. And the conservative party, is pretty much the party that follows the politics of least resistance at this point. And its that which will probably see them win this election - unless its another hung parliment. the Labour manefesto is just silly, offering a bunch of stuff no one was really asking for, and the Lib dems are realizing that the 'staunch remainer' stance isnt actually as popular as its been presented in certain circles. So a Tory win wont be so much a credit to them or borris but more of case of 'they just didnt come last' because their opposition was feeble and allowed ideology to cloud their judgment.

i can already see the fringe post election the social media rants about how we are a deeply racist a fascistic country, for not voting for socialism or cancelling brexit. but hey ho - that is to be expected.

Never say never though regarding a complete exit, I still think the EU is doomed project in the long term..
The west is gradually saying 'no' to the preachy intersectional social justice left for now, lets just say they showed their hand too fast. Its tough because the left/progressive political faction as a whole, has done some good things in the past - but lets hope we have the sense to not lurch any further to the right either -or things can quickly get even more dark.

STEED

11-27-19, 06:40 PM

JU_88

11-27-19, 07:00 PM

Brexit party has stood down in many places, I doubt they would have gotten anywhere anyway. While he has his fans, Farage is just too unpaletable for too many now.
And the 'tory fudge' has stolen his Brexit thunder again too. they'll absorb the votes just because people know they are viable. It seems the tories learned something from the last election where they got way too cocky with their rubbish manefesto, and they rightly got a kicking for it.

This election is almost a binary vote / second brexit referendum.

It about the mandate on how to brexit (if at all), and i think the masses will just go with who ever ends this chapter the fastest at this point.

Jimbuna

11-28-19, 06:07 AM

^ Farage is definitely more toxic than in the previous election and in hindsight perhaps he should have stood down after realising his goal with UKIP.

What will happen on 12th is anybody's guess but on 13th and 14th etc. I think we'll be in uncharted territory and facing 'interesting' times.

Jimbuna

11-28-19, 06:09 AM

The Labour Party is to re-shape its general election campaign strategy - particularly in Leave-voting areas - to try to turn around a stubborn Conservative opinion poll lead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50580699

Too little, too late I suspect.

STEED

11-28-19, 07:14 AM

Latest poll of polls puts bojo on 68 seats majority.

Meanwhile the IFC states Cons/Lab sums do not add up....:haha:

Both the Conservatives and Labour have failed to put forward a "properly credible prospectus" for their spending plans, a leading economic think tank has said.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said it was "highly likely" a Tory government would end up spending more than planned, while it cast doubt on Labour's promise to "ramp up" investment levels by £55bn a year.
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-tories-and-labour-not-offering-credible-spending-plans-ifs-11872321

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50585818

STEED

11-28-19, 07:26 AM

The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) will seek further changes to Boris Johnson's Brexit deal, if he remains prime minister after the general election.

Leader Arlene Foster said the number of DUP MPs elected would determine "the shape and direction of this country".

The party, which won 10 seats in the 2017 general election, launched its manifesto in Belfast on Thursday.

The DUP opposes elements of the Brexit deal relating to Northern Ireland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50585709

If the polls are correct old bojo can tell ths DUP to lump it.

Jimbuna

11-28-19, 07:36 AM

Which he probably will.

STEED

11-28-19, 07:38 AM

BREAKING NEWS

LibDems target STEED's seat....

Not good as their candidate is a right whack job whom would be better off in extinction rebellion, more whacky than the green candidate!

Jimbuna

11-28-19, 07:47 AM

Boris Johnson will vow to "support women to reach their full potential" in politics and the workplace if the Conservatives win the general election.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50581208

Boris I think that is ne area you would be well advised to steer well clear of.

Jimbuna

11-28-19, 10:34 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/3wNZLrGR/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/jj14BV6h/Untitled2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

11-28-19, 10:54 AM

Dominic Cummings resigned: Has Dominic Cummings resigned? Did he quit 3 weeks ago?

"Dominic Cummings resigned three weeks ago because it's standard that all SpAds resign when Parliament is dissolved. It's not a thing. It's not really a proper resignation. It's a process. Everyone needs to calm down a bit."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1210390/Dominic-Cummings-resigned-has-Dominic-Cummings-resigned-quit-blog-post-election-2019

STEED

11-28-19, 06:13 PM

A row has erupted between Channel 4 and the Conservatives after the broadcaster used an ice sculpture in place of Boris Johnson when he didn't turn up to their leaders' debate on climate issues.https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-tories-complain-as-johnson-replaced-by-ice-sculpture-in-tv-debate-11872824

Result of this according to the radio in the background Labour is 7 points in front of the Tories! Bojo has made a blunder, may be he needs Psycho Dominick back to advice him and whip his arse. :haha:

Jimbuna

11-29-19, 06:42 AM

The Scottish Lib Dems have pledged to "build a brighter future" as they launched their election manifesto.

Leader Willie Rennie said his party is the only one committed to "stopping Brexit and stopping independence".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50585285

This will probably be their death knell.

STEED

11-29-19, 07:26 AM

Any luck the SNP will win East Dunbartonshire from Jo Swinson. If they did that would make my year. :haha:

Jimbuna

11-29-19, 07:44 AM

The BBC is being “played” by Boris Johnson and should be angry about his foot-dragging on whether he will agree to an interview with Andrew Neil, Labour’s John McDonnell has said.

Labour has previously said Jeremy Corbyn took part in one of a series of one-on-one interviews with the journalist after the BBC told it that Johnson would definitely be doing a similar broadcast next week.

“He is playing the BBC, you should be annoyed,” McDonnell told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “The reason he is doing this is because he thinks, like his Bullingdon friends, that they are above the rest of us, that they don’t need to be held to account, they don’t need to be treated like the rest of us,” he said, referring to the elite club of which Johnson and other senior Tories were members at Oxford University.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-playing-bbc-over-andrew-neil-interview-says-mcdonnell/ar-BBXuYKP?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

If John McDonnell says so then it must be true :doh:

Catfish

11-29-19, 08:00 AM

It really must be hard to consistently ignore the obvious.
"Hahah said the clown" (Boris de Pfeffel de Foerst)

Jimbuna

11-29-19, 08:10 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/yd1vxBxH/Untitled4.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

11-29-19, 10:22 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/5NvZGBHQ/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/GmCZ14Y7/Untitled2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

11-29-19, 11:00 AM

Boris Johnson has warned the US president against giving him an endorsement ahead of the general election on 12 December.

Donald Trump has previously backed the prime minister, calling him "the exact right guy for the times".

But during an interview with LBC, Mr Johnson said it was "best... for neither side to be involved in the other's election campaigns".

Mr Trump is due in the UK next week to join world leaders for a Nato summit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50603115

I wonder why :hmmm:

:)

Catfish

11-29-19, 05:38 PM

Donald Trump has previously backed the prime minister, calling him "the exact right guy for the times".

:haha: Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
He is so right, not a minister but a crazy "guy" for crazy times. Just fear two wrongs don't make a right this time.

mapuc

11-29-19, 06:04 PM

This is not our US-politics thread.

This person should know that as a politician you do not take part in another countries election campaign... He can after the election is over send a congratulation to the person who will be your next PM.

Markus

STEED

11-29-19, 07:51 PM

Two more weeks of this madness please no more it's been bloody awful, I am so bored with this dire tripe.

Catfish

11-30-19, 05:47 AM

Boris Johnson has warned the US president against giving him an endorsement ahead of the general election on 12 December.
Donald Trump has previously backed the prime minister, calling him "the exact right guy for the times".
Johnson promises more money than Corbyn to all, how does the clown intend to pay for all that? Even more unrealistic than Labour :doh:

I take Johnson does not want Trump to "help him" before the elections by betraying that Johnson wants to privatise the NHS and sell it to US companies, it is all over the media here.
Clear as mud by now, that is what he expects the money to come from, and it will sure please Rees-Mogg and Cummings.

JU_88

11-30-19, 06:25 AM

Johnson promises more money than Corbyn to all, how does the clown intend to pay for all that? Even more unrealistic than Labour :doh:

I take Johnson does not want Trump to "help him" before the elections by betraying that Johnson wants to privatise the NHS and sell it to US companies, it is all over the media here.
Clear as mud by now, that is what he expects the money to come from, and it will sure please Rees-Mogg and Cummings.

he wont want Trumps Endorsment as the man is disliked by about half the country. Labours accusation of a tory NHS sell off is massivley hyperbolic to say the least, nor should anyone trust Johnsons empty assurance that elements of NHS will never be on the table in US/UK trade deal. the truth as usual - is rather more complicated and murky than the simple tabloid-esque narratives being pushed.
https://fullfact.org/election-2019/is-the-nhs-up-for-sale/

The future of NHS is a big deal, but lets be realistic. its never going to over shaddow Brexit in this election. Labour really need to change tactics if they want to keep their seats.
The fact that the Tories have been in power for 9 years now and Labour are on the defense at this point, suggests they have messed up royally.
The Tories main advantage is they they are now party of moderate sell out politics, (they just take the path of least resistance when it comes to public opinion and do their more dirty deeds quietly), Labour and the Lib Dems are both riding on rigid ideological plaforms which just aren't very popular outside of progressive circles.

Jimbuna

11-30-19, 06:31 AM

Johnson promises more money than Corbyn to all, how does the clown intend to pay for all that? Even more unrealistic than Labour :doh:

Where's that from? The last time I looked Steptoe was promising to spend x28 that of Johnson in his manifesto :hmmm:

Jimbuna

11-30-19, 06:45 AM

The SNP leader cashed with the Brexit Party's Richard Tice over whether an EU exit deal is achievable., during a BBC One election debate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2019-50608778/nicola-sturgeon-we-don-t-trust-you

I must admit I found these two clashing with one another quite entertaining :)

JU_88

11-30-19, 10:07 AM

Where's that from? The last time I looked Steptoe was promising to spend x28 that of Johnson in his manifesto :hmmm:

no idea, all i could find was some Daily Express boot licking drivel, (Pretty Safe to assume thats not where our left leaning friend read it :P) maybe he can link us.

but it dont matter, none of the parties ever cost manifestos properly. in practice alot of whats written in them never comes to any real fruition and even if it does- it can still be a total failure.

Manifestos just give you an approximation at best. And all we can judge is how silly or realistic they sound overall.

The tories promised to rehome the Grenfell survivors with in 3 months and didnt, they promised to reduce net migration numbers and didnt. So yeah they can promise to out spend team Red on public services, push though Brexit by Jan 31st and give everyone a free chocolate teapot, doesnt mean they will.

Jimbuna

11-30-19, 10:14 AM

Boris Johnson will be interviewed on Sunday's Andrew Marr Show as it is in "the public interest" following the London Bridge attack, the BBC says.

It had been reported that the BBC had told the PM he would not be allowed on Sunday's show unless he also agreed to be interviewed by Andrew Neil.

Mr Johnson has so far refused to commit to a one-to-one with Mr Neil - who has already grilled other party leaders.

Labour called the BBC's move to allow the PM on the Marr show "shameful".

The BBC said in a statement that as the national public service broadcaster its first priority "must be its audience".

"In the wake of a major terrorist incident, we believe it is now in the public interest that the prime minister should be interviewed on our flagship Sunday political programme.

"All parties' election policy proposals must - and will - face detailed scrutiny from us and we continue to urge Boris Johnson to take part in the prime-time Andrew Neil interview as other leaders have done."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50615808

I'm not sure what Boris is concerned about, other leaders have done it but perhaps it is himself he fears :hmmm:

JU_88

11-30-19, 10:29 AM

Borris is such a coward for avoiding Andrew Neil. Cowardess will hurt him more just going though with it and making a tit out of himself.
Neils pretty good though, he knows how to hold peoples feet to the flames no matter who they are or what they believe.

Jimbuna

11-30-19, 11:20 AM

STEED

11-30-19, 12:21 PM

MGR1

11-30-19, 12:57 PM

Lord Ashcroft:

What voters said in my latest focus groups, from three SNP targets (https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2019/11/lord-ashcroft-what-voters-said-in-my-latest-focus-groups-from-three-snp-targets.html)

Specifically:

"Aberdeen South (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_South_(UK_Parliament_constituency)) and East Renfrewshire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Renfrewshire_(UK_Parliament_constituency)), both won by the Conservatives two years ago, and Glasgow North East (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_North_East_(UK_Parliament_constituency)), now one of Labour’s seven constituencies north of the border."
The last bit about "what sort of house would each party be?" is rather funny!:D

Mike.:03:

JU_88

11-30-19, 01:59 PM

I am angry at my LibDem candidate, I rec'd a personal letter which raised a medical issue which I will not state on here as that is between me and my doctor so I believed. This letter seems to suggest they got hold of my personal medical information that has nothing to do with them at all. The letter is carefully worded but clearly targeted at me to get me to vote for them.

I was thinking of taking this up with them but I have dealings with the local LibDems in the past and they were far from helpful, in fact they were not very pleasant.

Can political party's get hold and use people's personal information to get them to vote for them? If so this is bloody bang out of order.

My Mother had it out with Libdem councilors back in the late 90's She was trying to save a school for handicapped people where she worked, Long story short she and her campaigners lost, they were dirty corrupt snakes the way they behaved. Put me right off that political party for life, I could never vote for them now. This was Islington, (now Corbyns consituency.)

Catfish

11-30-19, 02:20 PM

Where's that from? The last time I looked Steptoe was promising to spend x28 that of Johnson in his manifesto :hmmm:

I think i found that in "Die Welt", should have posted it with a translation (it was obviously wrong), i cannot find it anymore or they changed it.
I found this english site interesting: https://fullfact.org/election-2019/itv-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-debate-fact-checked/
For me it is like 80 billions of Corbyn (?) spending vs. 62 billions planned by Johnson:

Prison and criminal justice
2,7 billion pounds

Schools
4,6 billion pounds

Brexit
2,1 billion pounds

Transport
39 billion, no real numbers exist though

Towns
3,6 billion pounds

Northern Ireland, Scotlland, Wales
300 million pounds

Full fibre broadband for all by 2025

Raise higher income tax from 50,000 to 80,000,
raise the point at which people start paying National Insurance
Tax changes
cost around 10 billion

In all 62,3 billions per year according to Johnson.

Did not find a detailed labour spending plan.
I think it both sounds like fantasy, like a lot of other things i heard.

And what about the NHS and privatising it?
"Jeremy Corbyn’s brandishing of a report that he claimed revealed secret Tory plans to privatise the NHS had clearly had an impact. If the actual evidence still seemed hazy at best, even some previous Conservative voters feared that the story might contain more than a grain of truth: “I’m a bit concerned about the NHS and the possibility of privatisation. I think the Tory party are considering selling, and that would be a disaster."

STEED

11-30-19, 04:47 PM

My Mother had it out with Libdem councilors back in the late 90's She was trying to save a school for handicapped people where she worked, Long story short she and her campaigners lost, they were dirty corrupt snakes the way they behaved. Put me right off that political party for life, I could never vote for them now. This was Islington, (now Corbyns consituency.)

Yes I agree, they say they are nice but the dealings I had in the past was clear they were not. I am still waiting for apology from them near on 10 years waiting now. As for this new matter that just tells me how low they will go. Just trying to work out if what they did was in the bounds of election law.

JU_88

11-30-19, 07:31 PM

And what about the NHS and privatising it?
"Jeremy Corbyn’s brandishing of a report that he claimed revealed secret Tory plans to privatise the NHS had clearly had an impact. If the actual evidence still seemed hazy at best, even some previous Conservative voters feared that the story might contain more than a grain of truth: “I’m a bit concerned about the NHS and the possibility of privatisation. I think the Tory party are considering selling, and that would be a disaster."

Yeah I dont know what can be done about the NHS, Im not sure its all that fixable. I hope it doesnt get privatised, I agree that would be a disaster, but honestly i dont think the Tories would have the balls, imagine the amount of flak they would get - probably they'd never get elected again. Its also true that just throwing money at it isnt enough, It been getting ever more funding, even under the ConDem Austerity coalition it was never cut, its on what 150 billion a year, almost a quarter of governments budget. Yet is still stretched, mental health services are really struggling especially.

They probably could use stricter rules on who gets access to it for nowt. Tourists should probably get billed (they should have travel insurance coverage anyway) new migrants wont have paid in to the system yet, but they not always so flush financially, so thats a tricky one as it would be inhumane to turn them away on that basis. people who harm them selves while Drunk should also get billed fot their treatment IMO. People talk about the australian model. but I'm not sure on that. And i dont know if those things would even make a dent tbh.

Also at the speed our population is rising you cant build new infastucture fast enough even if the money supply was near infinate, it still takes time to build & equip hostpitals and train new staff. Money cant speed that up.

Our birth rates are down so thats not the issue, our aging population plays a small part (responisble for about 5% increase in demand since 2011 i think) but that will get worse - especially if immagration were to be cut.
Then there is the high rate of Migration - which wouldnt be a problem if emmigration wasnt decreasing along side it.
Progressive or not, this is largely where the bulk of increasing demand is coming from. (ever newer people needing the service who havent been around long enough to pay in to it yet, and by the time they have, they are paying for newer arrivals than themselves, and repeat) but on the flip side that same immagration is also providing us with many skilled overseas NHS staff, so - double edged sword. And like I said if you cut it, an aging population problem could still tip it over the edge.

There is no easy way out, the NHS is deeply bogged down with too many other entwined complications. its current situation is not sustainable though, sadly something will have to give eventually. :(

Jimbuna

12-01-19, 07:04 AM

I am angry at my LibDem candidate, I rec'd a personal letter which raised a medical issue which I will not state on here as that is between me and my doctor so I believed. This letter seems to suggest they got hold of my personal medical information that has nothing to do with them at all. The letter is carefully worded but clearly targeted at me to get me to vote for them.

I was thinking of taking this up with them but I have dealings with the local LibDems in the past and they were far from helpful, in fact they were not very pleasant.

Can political party's get hold and use people's personal information to get them to vote for them? If so this is bloody bang out of order.

As far as my understanding goes it would take a court order giving permission for disclosure to allow that to happen.

Now granted, I don't know the detail and or circumstances of the information, nor do I want or need to but I'd suggest it may have been pure coincidence.

If you have evidence 'beyond the balance of probability' I'd be inclined to take it further with your local health care provider.

Jimbuna

12-01-19, 07:05 AM

Jimbuna

12-01-19, 07:18 AM

I think i found that in "Die Welt", should have posted it with a translation (it was obviously wrong), i cannot find it anymore or they changed it.
I found this english site interesting: https://fullfact.org/election-2019/itv-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-debate-fact-checked/
For me it is like 80 billions of Corbyn (?) spending vs. 62 billions planned by Johnson:

Prison and criminal justice
2,7 billion pounds

Schools
4,6 billion pounds

Brexit
2,1 billion pounds

Transport
39 billion, no real numbers exist though

Towns
3,6 billion pounds

Northern Ireland, Scotlland, Wales
300 million pounds

Full fibre broadband for all by 2025

Raise higher income tax from 50,000 to 80,000,
raise the point at which people start paying National Insurance
Tax changes
cost around 10 billion

In all 62,3 billions per year according to Johnson.

Did not find a detailed labour spending plan.
I think it both sounds like fantasy, like a lot of other things i heard.

And what about the NHS and privatising it?
"Jeremy Corbyn’s brandishing of a report that he claimed revealed secret Tory plans to privatise the NHS had clearly had an impact. If the actual evidence still seemed hazy at best, even some previous Conservative voters feared that the story might contain more than a grain of truth: “I’m a bit concerned about the NHS and the possibility of privatisation. I think the Tory party are considering selling, and that would be a disaster."

The 'fantasy' figures thus far released by Labour do not include the hundreds of billions that would be needed to pay for mass renationalisation of gas, electric, water, rail, steel etc. etc.

Add to that the potential £60 billion for the promised compensation to the WASPI (Women Against State Pension Inequality) and that alone matches the Tory promises.

I'm in no doubt Labour would bankrupt the UK in a year or two post election and that is a price I'm not willing to see my children and grandchild pay if I can help prevent it.

Now on the NHS.....My personal experience not too many years ago when I was domiciled in the Netherlands taught me that I was expected to have health insurance because only 'life saving' care would otherwise be provided.

The NHS IMHO must be the envy of most of the world being free at point of contact. Therefore, it is well worth going that extra mile to be saved but that can only happen if the correct rules and expectations (see above) are adhered to and enforced.

JU_88

12-01-19, 12:34 PM

Im not sure Labour would 'brankrpt' the UK, in practice they'd probably fail to nationalise ALL of the those institutions when confronted with the reality of it.

They talk tough on taxation, but in practice - cheap government borrowing is often much easier and more lucrative than tax hikes. and its the younger generations who will end up paying for a debt binge down the line.
I worry that's where they'll end up going.
But yeah I dont trust Labour or any political movment that are Idealogues first and technocrats second.

Idealogues tend break more than they fix in the long run.

Catfish

12-01-19, 01:39 PM

Thanks Jim and Francis :up:

The 'fantasy' figures thus far released by Labour do not include the hundreds of billions that would be needed to pay for mass renationalisation of gas, electric, water, rail, steel etc. etc. [...]
Mass renationalisation, that tackles it. Former governments have obviously sold the silverware by privatising systems that had initially been financed by taxes of the people, and the latter were then dispossesed. This is how it was in Germany.
I guess though it is not the price for renationalisation, but the costs for repairing all that, what private companies have neglected during their ownership to maximise profits.

Think telecommunication, think transportation, think water and electricity.
I do not know exactly how it is in England, but everytime the german government had to "renationalise" (not voluntarily or by ideology, mind you) regionally or nationwide, it had to be done because of the neglect (e.g. the damges of the rail system had become criminal and began to cost lives - oh what a sudden uproar).
Regarding the NHS i am astonished that the non-socialist England ever was able to provide this for the people. I wish it could be continued, imho it is one giant accomplishment worth rescuing; but like Ju88 i think this will be hard to finance.

OT opinion piece: The next young generations (not ony from England, but the whole UK and to some extent all of Europe) will have to pay for the blunder that is currently happening. And it will be hard enough to finance brexit for England. Those (by Johnson) proclaimed small number of 2,1 billions must have fallen out of the blue sky, it is unrealistic, to not use worse terms. A lot of direct trade returns and thus income will fall, for decades. Say financial portals, not that i trust them, but sounds reasonable.
Prosperity and wealth is won by trade, cooperation and exchange, not by nationalist isolation.

JU_88

12-01-19, 02:05 PM

Yeah pretty much everything you mentioned is now privatised in the UK apart from the NHS and Royal mail. (did I miss anything Jim?)
Most happened under Thatcher, here is actual video footage of them doing it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP6CbYu3T7Y

As far as what the Brexit outcome will be, all bets are off as far as im concerned, Brexit is (like the EU itself) and just about everything else the west has done for the past century - an experiment.

Jimbuna

12-02-19, 06:04 AM

Yeah pretty much everything you mentioned is now privatised in the UK apart from the NHS and Royal mail. (did I miss anything Jim?)

The government completed the disposal of its shareholding on 12 October 2015, when a 13% stake was sold for £591m and another 1% was given to employees. In total the government raised £3.3bn from the full privatisation of Royal Mail.

JU_88

12-02-19, 06:44 AM

Ahh thanks, I guess I wasnt paying attention, The question is, when our goverment runs out of things to privatise, will they just privatise them selves? :)
Its good to keep some services socialised, but 'socialised everything' = crap.

STEED

12-02-19, 07:55 AM

My research into the letter would suggest they got hold of my info as a statistic, not my private medical records just a sanitised piece of short info. Possible from other places that had my info, mate i know said it would be hard to prove as the letter was written in such a way as to cover themselves from legal issues.

All I can say the NHS would have not given access and as i had let's say third party dealings at the time they may have not be as secure.

No point fighting a battle that i can not win. If they ever pull a stunt like that ever again in my life time I will have ago at them without going any further.

STEED

12-02-19, 08:15 AM

The UK Independence Party has launched a "Brexit and beyond" manifesto with a commitment to leaving the EU on 31 January 2020 without a deal.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50628082

The dead parrot is dead and yet it has no idea it is dead.

I predict no seats for UKIP.

Jimbuna

12-02-19, 09:28 AM

Jimbuna

12-02-19, 09:28 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50628082

The dead parrot is dead and yet it has no idea it is dead.

I predict no seats for UKIP.

I doubt anyone would need a crystal ball for that assumption.

Jimbuna

12-02-19, 02:14 PM

Catfish

12-02-19, 04:46 PM

Do they honestly believe the electorate actually believe these fairy tales?[/url]
For a moment i thought you meant brexit.

Skybird

12-02-19, 05:20 PM

Four days old, but who cares.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7738205/Corbyn-says-BBC-biased-saying-Israel-right-exist.html

Disgusting monkey this little Marxist is. And dangerous.

STEED

12-02-19, 05:39 PM

Do they honestly believe the electorate actually believe these fairy tales?

Labour has announced plans to slash rail fares by 33% and simplify ticket prices for part-time workers if it wins the election on 12 December.

The party also wants to make train travel free for young people under the age of 16 and build a central online booking portal with no booking fees.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50621621It's all BS for those fools who will vote for their filthy rotten stinking BS & lies.

What next, free money for all who vote Labour and big tax breaks with a out standing pension!

JU_88

12-02-19, 05:53 PM

Free broadband
Free Trains
Free University education

LOL, Except none of it is actually free is it?, you'll pay for it via taxation. or they borrow so your grand kids will still be paying the intrest in 2050.

Labour remind me of my Mobile phone company "hello sir, since your are a loyal customer, we'd like to offer your a FREE tablet..... for only £25 per month. :hmmm:
Labour or was it Mayor ken Livingston? (former Labour) made buses free for under 16s in the early 2000s and everyone hated it, bored chavy kids just used buses as place to 'hang out' and anti social behavior on them sky-rocketed until it was scrapped.

mapuc

12-02-19, 05:59 PM

JU_88

12-02-19, 06:27 PM

Before Boris got his extra election on Dec. 12, what was the common thing the British people was discussing, beside this Brexit ?

Here in Denmark and Sweden, our politician seems to be an expert on hearing what's going on in the society and make promises during an election campaign and thereafter....seems to have forgot it.

During the election in 2015 people discussed refugees and immigrants...politicians made lots of promises.

This year-people was discussing Climate our politicians made lots of promises.

Markus

I cant even remember tbh, probably ISIS, Europes migrant/refugee crisis, wealth inequality, NHS and all the usual stuff. 2014 -2015 was probaly about the time I started to notice the economy had 'stabalised' but some thing was going horribly wrong with both sides of the political spectrum in the west, fringe right 'foaming at the mouth' talking points where heating up. And the fringe lefts virtue signaling and moral gatekeeping only made it worse.... And so the Trump/Brexit division was born.

Catfish

12-03-19, 02:29 AM

https://i.imgur.com/x5htDoml.jpg

Catfish

12-03-19, 03:50 AM

Four days old, but who cares.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7738205/Corbyn-says-BBC-biased-saying-Israel-right-exist.html
Disgusting monkey this little Marxist is. And dangerous.
Indeed the event itself is from 2011, but it is certainly only to the neutral information of the interested reader that the Daily Fail publishes it now, close to the election :03:

Denying Israel its existence.. as far as i know England itself tried to do exacly that before and after WW2? https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/british-restrictions-on-jewish-immigration-to-palestine

Jewish Refugee Ships heading for Israel were attacked by the british after WW2:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mi6-attacked-jewish-refugee-ships-after-wwii

Israel is building lots of settlements in occupied umm "disputed" palestinian land to create a status quo that cannot easily be changed, so criticising Israel for what it does now may have some reasons, even if you are not anti-zionist or anti-Israel. What Trump does and says is not helpful as well, but certainly welcomed by the israelian right wing.
There has to be a two-state solution, and denying or not mentioning that is wrong.

JU_88

12-03-19, 04:40 AM

The alleged Anti semitism is only the tip of the iceburg for the modern Labour party really. There is no easy way to fix the Israel/Palastine issue, but taking sides certainly wont help.
I understand historical wrongs of Isreal, The British and the west in general and the danger posed by the far right and blind nationalism
- but the jeeze Lefts current 'solution' runs along the most polarising crap:

Constant display of White guilt and loathing of their own culture while gushing over others - so as to appear morally superior and virtuous.
Childish belief that oppression and privelege can simply be messured by a persons physical attributes.
The rascist right sees a persons race and assumes their culture and behavior is inferior
The rascist left sees a persons race and assumes victimhood and an inabilty to make it the world without their sympathy help.
Both are borderline sociopathic.

What else?
The conviction that a more 'just society' can be made by applying different rules & standards for different 'groups'. (Yeah Hitler and Stalin thought the same, didnt work too well did it?)
Expanding word definitions to point where they become meaningless. Calling some one a rascist or a fascist carries no wieght if you use it against anyone in disagreement with you even if they are just milktoast conservative or what ever.
Pro Censorship, if its offensive it should be banned or punishable by law. "I belive in freedom of speech.... BUT') The old right used to push that and it killed them.
The only way you can ever be 100% certain you will not cause some offense to someone is to not speak at all.

Swaths of Labour and the modern left have adopted this naive 'bigotry born of empathy' matra and while I hesitate to brand it has outright hateful as the fringe rights delusions, its dishonest and divisive and very creepy.

And unlike its right leaning counterpart - its being spun as socially acceptable though media (as wokeness) and being taught to young people in our institutions (as social justice).
As long as it continues, the lurch to right should not be surprising.
Oh and when confronted neither side will clean up their own crap, so they just argue with WHATABOUTERY, e.g "yeah, but what about..." (insert some wrong on the other side of the spectrum)
So lazy and cheap.
I used to vote labour, but like Steed I cant easily vote for anyone now. Not when my vote just feels like throwing more fuel on the fire - no matter who its for.
I'd vote if though it was actually helpful in the long run.

Jimbuna

12-03-19, 05:25 AM

For a moment i thought you meant brexit.

It is in large part Corbyn who will get Brexit through because of his unpopularity with the electorate.

Jimbuna

12-03-19, 05:29 AM

Four days old, but who cares.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7738205/Corbyn-says-BBC-biased-saying-Israel-right-exist.html

Disgusting monkey this little Marxist is. And dangerous.

https://i.postimg.cc/x1XfY4BC/78314134-10221103569601206-3056915798669918208-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

12-03-19, 05:30 AM

Jimbuna

12-03-19, 07:49 AM

US President Donald Trump has said he could "work with anybody" in No 10 - nine days ahead of a general election.

Speaking on a three-day visit to the UK, Mr Trump said he would "stay out of the election", that he was a "fan of Brexit" and he thought PM Boris Johnson was "very capable".

Mr Trump is in the UK for a Nato summit being held in Watford on Wednesday.

He will attend a reception hosted by the Queen at Buckingham Palace later, where protests are expected.

The US president was speaking during a breakfast meeting with Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg at the US ambassador's residence in London.

During a press conference Mr Trump also said:

The US wanted "absolutely nothing to do with" the NHS, when asked if it would form any part of future trade talks. He added: "Never even thought about it, honestly."

He himself was "a very easy person to work with"

The US was "trying to work something out" with the family of teenager Harry Dunn.

French President Emmanuel Macron was "very disrespectful" for suggesting Nato was "brain dead"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50632385

There will undoubtedly be people out there who agree as well as disagree.

JU_88

12-03-19, 08:19 AM

Heh, yet theres that press confrence the orange gaffe king did with May a while back where he does mention the NHS being on the table (or Hints it). May awkwardly tries to dial it back.
To be fair on Trump though, he probably didnt really know what he was talking about (probably still doesn't now :P.) And even he does I doubt he particularly cares either way, and why should he I suppose, not his headache. Sounds like Boris probably asked him to say this anyway (damage control)

if the NHS gets privatised post brexit (if 'post-brexit' ever becomes a thing), its our own government who should be held accountable anyway, not Trump or anyone else outside the UK for that matter.

Anyway its all just words and pre election rhetoric, Trump and Boris's assurance the NHS wont be sold off doesnt mean it wont.
Corbyn and Labours assertation that 'it will' doesnt mean it will either.

Trust no one, dang it, wheres a foil hat smiley when you need one! :P

Jimbuna

12-03-19, 02:14 PM

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Jimbuna

12-03-19, 02:36 PM

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Jimbuna

12-03-19, 03:14 PM

Someone has certainly been busy at Labour Central Office today.

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Skybird

12-03-19, 05:34 PM

Still elections in one week, or have they decided to delay things once again?

Man, just imagine how bored we all will be next Wednesday. :doh:

mapuc

12-03-19, 05:52 PM

^ an interesting thoughts

Is there anything in the British Parliament that gives the right to postpone an election ?

I can come up with some

Death of some Monarch

Some type of disaster

Markus

Jimbuna

12-04-19, 06:31 AM

Looks like the son is following in his mothers footsteps and getting himself in the news for all the wrong reasons.

Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott's Cambridge-educated son, 28, is arrested after 'biting one police officer and spitting at another outside Foreign Office'

The son of Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott has been charged with two counts of assault over alleged attacks on police officers during a disturbance at the Foreign Office.

James Abbott-Thompson, 28, was arrested on Friday afternoon last week after police were called to the Foreign Office in Westminster, where he used to work.

He was later charged with two counts of assault by beating an emergency services worker and a public order offence.

Westminster Magistrates' Court heard on Monday that he is accused of spitting at and punching one officer and biting the thumb of another.

He was bailed to appear back in front of magistrates in February.

By that time, if Labour win next week's General Election, his mother could be Home Secretary, in charge of the country's police forces, two of whose members he is accused of assaulting.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/shadow-home-secretary-diane-abbotts-cambridge-educated-son-28-is-arrested-after-biting-one-police-officer-and-spitting-at-another-outside-foreign-office/ar-BBXJLsl?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

STEED

12-04-19, 07:07 AM

General election: Extinction Rebellion protesters glue themselves to Lib Dems' electric bushttps://news.sky.com/story/general-election-extinction-rebellion-protesters-glue-themselves-to-lib-dems-electric-bus-11877802

:haha:

Jimbuna

12-04-19, 07:16 AM

It would appear Boris has 'grown a pair' at the most opportune time in his bid for an election victory.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said he would press ahead with a digital sales tax even after the US threatened to punish France for a similar move.

In a proposal first outlined last year, large online companies face a tax of 2% of UK sales from April 2020.

Mr Johnson said digital companies needed to make a "fairer contribution".

Donald Trump has threatened to impose taxes on French goods in retaliation for a digital services tax that would affect Google, Amazon and Facebook.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50656106

STEED

12-04-19, 07:44 AM

I will not be voting next week, as you all know I refuse to vote for liar's so no votes for the big three and those green loonies. I can not find any info about this Independent candidate here in what they stands for! Cast a vote for him is like voting for the invisible man! So that seals it for me, just can not vote.

Jimbuna

12-04-19, 07:51 AM

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STEED

12-04-19, 07:53 AM

:har::har::har::har::har:

Jimbuna

12-04-19, 08:56 AM

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Moonlight

12-04-19, 03:55 PM

Why I've chosen not to vote, along with about 18 million other non voters who don't bother either, the 4 popular reasons are below, excluding the lying, thieving, self centred, egomaniac and dishonest one's that is.
1) The one's who can't be bothered to get off there fat ass and vote.

2) They don't know enough about the situation as the political parties are leaving a trail of disinformation in their wake.

3) The too busy working people, the recently incapacitated or hospitalised one's, and anyone else who can't get to a polling booth through unexpected circumstances.

4) A political stronghold where your vote is bloody pointless if its not supporting the correct colour rosette.

Who is going to win I ask myself as the usual winners are the best liars, well that used to be true but that word Brexit keeps rearing its ugly head up. Besides Brexit, all parties need to be wary of upsetting the applecart as one wrong word and it could lose them half a million votes, so this election is going to be won on a game of chance, yep chance, as in its all a game of craps, you read it right, a game of craps (craps = manifesto).
The competing parties make up a huge pile of crap to stir all the gulllible little sheep into voting for them, then the media outlets get involved with huge frontpage headlines to discredit all the other parties piles of crap, claiming our pile of crap is much better than your pile of crap, and there you have it in a nutshell, a game of craps.

That's why those 18 million non voters are so important, forget about the usual voters as they've already made their minds up, but if just 1 or 2 million of these non voters went to a polling booth, well, its going to give someone a real good kick in the pants.

That's not all the voters by the way, we also have to take into account the millennials, the post millennials and the generation z voters who could influence or shame family and friends into voting differently this time. Don't forget the gender fluids, gender neutrals, the selfie generation and if I've missed anyone else just off back to your social media accounts you bunch of freaks.

These people ^ I can't begin to explain what the hell is going on in their heads and they're going to be running the country in the next 20 or thirty years. Christianity is going to be big time by these bozo's as they'll have created selfie gods and gender gods to take its place. Just imagine shouting Pope or Bishop in 20 years time, its going to be death by bleeding selfie stick I can tell you.

After I've wrote all that crap above I still don't know if the Tories can get a majority, and lets be honest here, the Tories have no political friends they can rely on. Of course there are those fruitcakes in Northern Ireland but they recently got thrown under a bus by Boris so I can't see them making the same mistake twice, or will another 1 billion bung change their minds.

Final words, honest.

There's a huge probability that 60 or 80 constituencies will decide this election so any yougov polls or any other polls count for nothing, remember Theresa May 2017, she almost lost her majority with her "Brexit means Brexit" slogan, could Boris do the same with his "Lets get Brexit Done" one, we'll soon find out. :D

Jimbuna

12-05-19, 04:53 AM

Boris Johnson says he will take the UK out of the EU, present a "tax-cutting" Budget, and deliver on manifesto pledges on crime and health within the first 100 days if he wins the election.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50666262

The latest bribe in this game of political poker.

JU_88

12-05-19, 05:37 AM

Its gonna be close, labour have been gaining some ground,
Hung paliment is looking more possible now. that or a moderate Tory win.
I dont think there will be any land slides.

SNP will probably lose a little ground. Libdems will probably do badly They taking the fringe 'just cancel brexit' stance was naive to say the least.

Labour were in a very bad postion early on but they have alot of decicated supporters and activists who will get out their and work hard campaiging for them.
Still I doubt most of the country has the apetite for a labour government at the moment, given what they have on the table is alot of stuff no one is really asking for - and not alot of the things they actually want.
Labour is kind of pushing it as: 'well this is what you SHOULD want' which is likley to backfire.

Cons wont do as well as they probably thought they would at the time when Borris called the GE. that said they will have learned there lesson from 2017, where they got complacent and arrogant, and the public rightly punished them for that. As far as Brexit goes, the Tories have the winning ticket. But they are still 'the nasty party' in many people minds. Said people may not be able stomach voting for them even if they agree with half of what they are peddling.

We'll see. The big picture is that this decade has seen Progreesive values start to unravel. And more conservative / nationalist values have been gaining some ground. A bit of a flip not seen in a a long time. Both have there extremists, but most people occupy the big grey area in the middle. There is no escaping the fact the entire west is having an identity crisis though.

Jimbuna

12-05-19, 05:41 AM

Good assessment Francis and one I agree with but at the risk of being overly simplistic, the key factor imho is Corbyn.....can the nation stomach his style of 'politics'?

My belief is a definite NO.

JU_88

12-05-19, 06:39 AM

Corbyn himself is basically a nice and well intended guy, but naive and weak.
Im more worried about who he surrounds him self with.
I like Corbyn as the opposition leader in some ways, his influence in opposition can be possitive to keep the Blues in check. As a primeminister though, i strongly have doubts.
He is going to put his ideology before practicality and that will likley have a negative outcome. Not something i can accuse Borris of so much, my biggest problem with Borris is that he is just disingenuous. The guy is almost a parody of himself.

The big difference is national values,

When someone like Corbyn looks at the UK historically speaking he basically despises it, he sees it as corrupt, oppressive, unequal, intolerent, classist, tyranical, murderous even.
When soemone Boris looks at the UK historically, he is proud, sees success meritocracy, freedom, tolerence, ingenuity, entrepenural spirit, equal opportunity and a rich herritage

Which of those is correct?, well both and neither obviously, exclusivly each one is just a very cherry picked narrative people will adopt based on their own world view or life experience.

In a crude generalised summary:

Conservatism = Own nation first / rest of the world second.
Progressivism = rest of the world first / Own nation second.

Jimbuna

12-05-19, 06:42 AM

This mornings junk mail.

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JU_88

12-05-19, 07:31 AM

Well they do love physical diversity,
diversity of ideas - not so much :)

Jimbuna

12-05-19, 08:42 AM

Just in from Joe Cox - Labour Unions

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STEED

12-05-19, 09:18 AM

Former Labour MP Joan Ryan has excoriated Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, saying he is 'not fit' to lead the party

https://news.sky.com/video/general-election-former-labour-mp-joan-ryan-says-jeremy-corbyn-not-fit-to-lead-the-labour-party-11878761

I agree.

Jimbuna

12-05-19, 09:29 AM

There are a great many more in the Parliamentary Labour Party who feel similarly.

STEED

12-05-19, 09:39 AM

OK we all agree UKIP and the Brexit party are dead in the water, bye bye.

SNP could do well as the signs suggest just how well is up for grabs.

Greens will probably increase their vote percentage but I can not see them gaining a second seat, they may hold on to hippy Brighton.

DUP could suffer but not to sure by losing seats or votes.

PC in Wales seem to be bouncing along the bottom hard to tell if they will win or loose seats.

INP candidates well this lot seem to be picking up a little but no where near to win seats.

My views on the big three will be Wednesday next week.

Jimbuna

12-05-19, 09:52 AM

Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage has hit out at three MEPs who quit the party and are now urging voters to back the Conservatives in the election.

He told the BBC that Annunziata Rees-Mogg, Lance Forman and Lucy Harris had strong personal links to the Tories.

But the MEPs say the Brexit Party's participation in the election will split the Leave vote.

A fourth MEP, John Longworth, lost the whip on Wednesday for criticising the party's election strategy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50672611

Hardly surprising in the case of Jacobs sister.

STEED

12-05-19, 09:55 AM

They already dumped three others.

The Fall of Nigel Farage has begun...

Jimbuna

12-05-19, 10:10 AM

Don't be too sure. I certainly don't see this as a two horse race.

Jimbuna

12-06-19, 06:40 AM

It's extraordinary that a former Conservative prime minister is urging people in some constituencies not to back the party he led.

This follows Tony Blair urging people not to give the party he used to lead, Labour, a majority.

Former Conservative leader Sir John Major has urged people to back independent candidates David Gauke, Dominic Grieve and Anne Milton - who were all expelled from the party for voting against Boris Johnson over Brexit - rather than the official Tory candidates.

In a video message to a “Stop the Brexit Landslide” rally organised by the Final Say campaigners, he calls Brexit “the worst foreign policy decision" in his lifetime, adding it will make the country "poorer and weaker".

Sir John says "tribal loyalties" had been loosened by Brexit, “no single Party has a monopoly on wisdom” and that “sometimes you need to vote with your head and your heart for your country and your future, adding: “This is such a time.”

He calls David Gauke, Dominic Grieve and Anne Milton "principled, decent human beings", adding without their "talent" Parliament would be "poorer", which is why he says he would vote for them if he was a constituent.

Tony Blair, the former Labour PM is also expected to urge voters not to give Boris Johnson a majority.

“It's not Brexit that's getting done. We're getting done."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50683887

Jimbuna

12-06-19, 07:21 AM

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STEED

12-06-19, 08:07 AM

Don't be too sure. I certainly don't see this as a two horse race. Nigel is no way going to get 20 MP's as some of these hardline brexiteers believe. No wonder he is already planning to rebrand his party under the working title the reform party.

It's extraordinary that a former Conservative prime minister is urging people in some constituencies not to back the party he led.

This follows Tony Blair urging people not to give the party he used to lead, Labour, a majority. Just shows how both of these party's have swung further left and right and that goes for the libs as well. The centre ground has been abandoned to the four winds.

Jimbuna

12-06-19, 09:09 AM

Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn will go head-to-head later for the final time during the election campaign when they take part in a live BBC One debate.

The hour-long programme, hosted by Today presenter Nick Robinson, starts at 20:30.

It will be the last time the Tory and Labour leaders share a stage before polling day on 12 December.

The BBC's Iain Watson said the two men were likely to focus on core messages to try and win over undecided voters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50681321

Bring it on....and an end to my repetitive junk mail.

Jimbuna

12-06-19, 09:34 AM

Spoke too soon.

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STEED

12-06-19, 09:57 AM

Bring it on....

:hmmm:

Jim must be out of beer, curry, pot noodle and no model planes arrived and all the rest to keep jim away from watching that rubbish.

I on the other hand will be at work....:yeah:

I will miss it....:yeah:

Do I care, no.....:yeah:

Woo hoo its a win win for me.....:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

Jimbuna

12-06-19, 11:01 AM

Looks like this could be the main thrust of the meeting tonight, amongst other carp.

Jeremy Corbyn has said a leaked document obtained by Labour shows Boris Johnson is "misrepresenting" his Brexit deal and the "devastating" impact it will have on Northern Ireland.

He called the paper "hard evidence" NI would be "symbolically separated" from the rest of the UK after Brexit, with customs checks on goods.

Mr Johnson has repeatedly said there will be no border in the Irish Sea.

He dismissed Labour's claims as "complete nonsense".

Pressed on the issue during a campaign visit in Kent, the prime minister said his was a "fantastic deal" and the only checks would be on British exports to the Republic of Ireland going via Northern Ireland.

The Conservatives also said the leaked Treasury document was an "immediate assessment, not a detailed analysis".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50684881

mapuc

12-06-19, 11:46 AM

STEED

12-06-19, 06:22 PM

Next Friday about this time I think you would know who will be your next PM and how exact your polls have been, during this election campaign.

And if you are one step close to a Brexit or further away from it.

Markus

Remainers will be happy if.....

Labour wins with 25 plus seats
Labour wins but needs the SNP
Conservatives win with less than 5 majority, take into account tory remainers.

Brexiteers will be happy if.....

Conservatives win with 30 plus seats
Conservatives win less than 10 majority and needs the Brexit party or DUP or both.

Odds would suggest the remainers could win out.

I am having a rethink about voting, I am still not happy about not knowing what my Independent candidate stands for. So I got time for a long think.

mapuc

12-06-19, 06:51 PM

In the beginning of this year i was thinking the same as you

If I should change my standpoint and do my duty again.

The reason for this, was a new party had been created a few years earlier and they was very much against EU and if they got enough votes they will work for a Danish Danix.

Well I still haven't been voting since 2002.

A month before the Danish election this party leader said they are hoping to get enough mandate from the Danish voters so they can put some of the politician forward to challenge others Danish politicians for a seat in the EU-parliament.

So their anti-EU standpoint wasn't that much anti-EU.

I hope you who have voted leave and have decided to put your vote on politicians or party who have said they will take UK out of EU, haven't lied to you.

Markus