UK Politics Thread

[Jimbuna]

Can hardly wait https://i.imgur.com/VMcZYe7.gif

[Jimbuna]

The new Lib Dem leader asked Theresa May what advice she would give to women dealing with men "who think they can do a better job, but are not prepared to do the actual work".

In reply, the outgoing PM urged all women to "be true to themselves" and "persevere", before congratulating Jo Swinson on her appointment.

Mrs May noted how many female party leaders there were in the House, adding that Labour was "the only party letting the side down".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-49096984/pmqs-may-and-swinson-on-female-party-leaders

A nice and most fitting parting shot from Theresa :)

[STEED]

What a load of BS Bojo is spouting, we are screwed.

[Jimbuna]

Sounds like someone just woke up to the smell of the coffee.

[STEED]

Sounds like someone just woke up to the smell of the coffee.After downing a number of energy drinks. :haha:

I will not give him to the next general election before he falls on his rubber sword. :03:

HEY BOJO 5 BLOODY WEEKS TO SEE MY GP NOT 3!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x3qw4-HzWg&app=desktop

[Bilge_Rat]

not as in the weeds as you guys, but what does it mean if anything that Dominic Cummings is becoming a senior aide to Johnson?

I only know him from the "Brexit" movie.

[Skybird]

^ Sky, in the simplest of terms....there is no way on earth that Parliament will accept a no deal Brexit.
Errr - why you tell me? Its not needed, I am aware of how the score stands.



Question: how will it be regarding the legal situation if nothing gets done but Johnosn does not get put down, but stays in office - and then October 31st comes and no deal on the table and the house not agreeing to leaving without a deal? What will decide it then? The house's decision and rule from some weeks ago that parliament must have the final word on brexit, or the letter of the law saying that if no agreement is signed it will be "Brexit yes", without deal? Which of these two legal conditions overrules the other?

[STEED]

Prime Minister Boris Johnson: Who's in his cabinet?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49043973

Michael Gove Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster

Duchy of Lancaster is appointed by the Sovereign on the advice of the Prime Minister Hey was it the Queen? Nice one, a thorn in Boris's side. :haha:

[Skybird]

Hey was it the Queen? Nice one, a thorn in Boris's side. :haha:
About Ben Wallace (defence) they write: "He is married with three children."


Where's the uproar...? :haha:

[Catfish]

Yes, after this 'speech' i understand why Trump likes him.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Wikipedia says, that in the House of Commons there are 650 seats of which one is vacant and seven are "occupied" Sinn Fein absenters which brings total to 642 seats.


HM's Government has 321 seats (311 Tories and 10 DUPers). HM's Most Loyal Opposition (Steptoe's gang) has 247 seats while other oppostion has 73 seats. This would mean 321-320 majority for the HM's Government.


This brings up three questions:


1) According to the Wikipedia, there are 16 nominally independent MPs of which 5 have set up new parliamentary group. How many of these would support BoJo's cabinet in vote of no-confidence?


2) How many of Tory MPs would prefer losing their seat in general elections instead of supporting BoJo's cabinet?


3) Last but not least important: Is Wikipedia correct and have I counted this correctly?

[STEED]

The Government has a majority of three with the backing of the DUP. Most of Parliament are EU remainers. The Tory MP's who are remainers sitting on a small majority that could loose their seats at the next general election could if they so choose become independent or join the LibDems. If Bojo looses four MP's he is in for a very hard time, question is will four or more during the summed break go for it. I have my doubts.

[STEED]

Mogg appointed leader of the house. :haha:

Action this day...More like a bus crash.

Listening to LBC radio and they have said the odds on a general election this year have gone up big time.

[Mr Quatro]

Isn't October 31st Halloween ... Trick or treat day? :o

[Jimbuna]

Question: how will it be regarding the legal situation if nothing gets done but Johnosn does not get put down, but stays in office - and then October 31st comes and no deal on the table and the house not agreeing to leaving without a deal? What will decide it then? The house's decision and rule from some weeks ago that parliament must have the final word on brexit, or the letter of the law saying that if no agreement is signed it will be "Brexit yes", without deal? Which of these two legal conditions overrules the other?

As things currently stand there is an act of Parliament in place stating we leave on 31st October. Should there be no agreement by then, that is what would happen. The only way out is for legislation to be passed rescinding Article 50.

My personal opinion is that this has not happened yet because MP's whose constituencies voted to leave would be showing there hand in public and many would show themselves to be in conflict with the wishes of those constituents who voted them in office.

A much preferred alternative will be to call a general election through a vote of no confidence in the government but that brings with it the risk of a bigger majority voting to leave and the MP's are running scared of the reality imho.

Parliament is currently unfit for purpose and it may take the actions of this current PM whether you like him or not to give the whole debacle a good shaking.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[Jimbuna]

not as in the weeds as you guys, but what does it mean if anything that Dominic Cummings is becoming a senior aide to Johnson?

I only know him from the "Brexit" movie.

Dominic Mckenzie Cummings is a British political strategist, who is currently Special Adviser to Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Cummings previously served as the Campaign Director of Vote Leave, the successful campaign advocating for the UK to vote to leave the European Union in the 2016 referendum.

He is someone who has always worked tirelessly in the background, someone who is a Brexiteer and a fast won reputation for getting things done.

[Bilge_Rat]

So if I look at this chart from BBC, despite the purge, most of the new cabinet members backed "remain" and approved Theresa May's deal. So what is Johnson's strategy?

I would have thought he would pack his cabinet with true "Brexiters".

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

So if I look at this chart from BBC, despite the purge, most of the new cabinet members backed "remain" and approved Theresa May's deal. So what is Johnson's strategy?

I would have thought he would pack his cabinet with true "Brexiters".I was surprised of this too at first. What I have pondered is that perhaps he is following old advice: "keep you allies close to you, and your enemies even closer". Could he be thinking, that by keeping them in the government there is lower chance of them screwing up the no-deal option if he (most likely) fails to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement?

[Catfish]

Maybe he relies on Cummings and his propaganda lies again to turn it all around.

[STEED]

I hear on the news the backstop can not be removed, the EU has fired its first shot against Bojo.

[Catfish]

https://i.imgur.com/N0UGFjAm.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Not too tardy a first Commons speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKvzELXosVw

[Skybird]

^ Am I mistaken or has election season been opened right yesterday?

[STEED]

^ Am I mistaken or has election season been opened right yesterday?

Election as in general election?...Possible, I received voting registration papers today. :hmmm:

[Catfish]

^ don't be so serious, i guess it's sarcasm paired with hope, after this Video :03:

[Jimbuna]

US President Donald Trump has said talks about a "very substantial" trade deal with the UK are under way.

He said a bilateral post-Brexit deal could lead to a "three to four, five times" increase in current trade.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49135045

I don't put too much emphasis on this because Trump has a history of suddenly changing his mind when it suits.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I don't put too much emphasis on this because Trump has a history of suddenly changing his mind when it suits.Yeah, not very trustworthy person by track record. I also started pondering this claim...
He said a bilateral post-Brexit deal could lead to a "three to four, five times" increase in current trade.Does this mean in both directions or you guys in the UK buying a lot of soybeans? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

I guess he means both directions but I still don't trust the guy.

[Catfish]

Johnson and Cummings will see to (whatever the outcome will be) it will be presented as a "victory" for them, and to you.

[Jimbuna]

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has promised a faster rail route between Leeds and Manchester, claiming the benefits would be "colossal".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49132477

The charm offensive continues but where is all the money going to come from ?

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

The charm offensive continues but where is all the money going to come from ?If he continues at current pace, only "viable" answer is tax increases and pension cuts...


That reminded me of one somewhat ironic thing in the Brexit: tax paying, working age people are leaving the UK, while pension rising, elderly subjects are returning to enjoy NHS services as they no longer can do so elsewhere (as EU member state's citizens they were covered in other EU countires to certain extent). At the same time many educated, working age Britons are applying for Belgian, French, Finnish and other nationailities to continue working here.


I'm not saying this is deal maker/breaker, but its nice silver lining in this mess from Finnish (and propably Spanish as well) point of view.

[Catfish]

It's like in the US, which probably is why Trump loves BoJo so much.

Johnson simply acts in a fact-free zone. There is no need to address any specifics, or actual evidence. He has crafted this technique with his anti-EU crusade, supported by xenophobe feelings. He simply talks and talks and talks like a steamroller, it does not have to be true.

But his unfounded claims and phantasies resonate with conservatives like Rees-Mogg who want their own forthcoming promoted, to be hidden - though officially supported - by the "imperial spirit".
Anything trying to introduce modern science or ideas is being regarded as a personal attack. They publicly claim that teamwork with other nations on an equal level would destroy patriotism and ENGLAND. When it comes to Ireland, Wales or Scotland, they are dismissed as lower colonies.

Bojo tries to impress by catchphrases and slur to avoid serious discussion, to connect with voters liking their resentment and bias to be reflected by a public figure or 'importance'.
Remains to see if voters fall for this.

[STEED]

Bojo is clearly on the vote for me by making big promises and throwing money around like there is no tomorrow. Once again people are taken in what next, Bojo takes to the air and visits as many city's as he can. Well it worked for you know who...

[Jimbuna]

It's like in the US, which probably is why Trump loves BoJo so much.

Johnson simply acts in a fact-free zone. There is no need to address any specifics, or actual evidence. He has crafted this technique with his anti-EU crusade, supported by xenophobe feelings. He simply talks and talks and talks like a steamroller, it does not have to be true.

But his unfounded claims and phantasies resonate with conservatives like Rees-Mogg who want their own forthcoming promoted, to be hidden - though officially supported - by the "imperial spirit".
Anything trying to introduce modern science or ideas is being regarded as a personal attack. They publicly claim that teamwork with other nations on an equal level would destroy patriotism and ENGLAND. When it comes to Ireland, Wales or Scotland, they are dismissed as lower colonies.

Bojo tries to impress by catchphrases and slur to avoid serious discussion, to connect with voters liking their resentment and bias to be reflected by a public figure or 'importance'.
Remains to see if voters fall for this.

What could possibly go wrong?

https://i.imgur.com/ZNeaFMN.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/FHFiuTI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WBbq2qM.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/gkFuSbM.jpg

:03:

[Jimbuna]

No-deal Brexit now 'assumed' by government, says Gove.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49141375

Things aren't looking all that great atm but I'd still like to know how this will get past Parliament.

[STEED]

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/boris-johnson/news/105615/ruth-davidson-tells-boris

Wonder who will or so speak out from the tory ranks in Westminster, one thing is for sure both sides are preparing for a Westminster bloodbath after the summer break. Most businesses are still not ready for a crash out.

So Bojo the clock is ticking the game of poker is coming to a end are you going to show your cards and money or are you going to run away.

[Skybird]

Things aren't looking all that great atm but I'd still like to know how this will get past Parliament.
Translates into: How will no-confidence vote and elections be avoided until Octobre 31st?


He seems to contradict himself in strategy there. He makes promises that obviously aim at winning the next election. Still any early elections are a very uncertain ground for the Tories right now, and he seems to repeat the same mistake that May once did: overestimating chances.


Anyhow, he is in a trap already. And he volunteered for stepping into it.

[Catfish]

^ i guesss his "strategy" is to fend off Farrago in promising and trying to create even more hyperbole than the latter.

[STEED]

Tories are in front of the Brexit party in the latest polls.....SO WHAT!

Bojo will be blocked by the EU and Parliment at every turn so watch the tories fall again in the polls.


Meanwhile Bojo is off to Scotland to sweat talk the fish wife and throw money at her. Once again we ask where is the money coming from, the magic money tree?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49146480

In the world of business the CBI has warned the UK and the EU are not ready for a crash out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49142762

[Catfish]

@Jim: ^^^those Boris pictures are mean
:haha:


[...] Meanwhile Bojo is off to Scotland to sweat talk the fish wife and throw money at her. Once again we ask where is the money coming from, the magic money tree? [...]

Boris Johnson also said he wanted to massively cut company taxes.
So maybe Steed has to pay instead :o

Seriously, if all else fails.. what about a united Ireland? Backstop would not be necessary.
What about Scotland?

[STEED]

I'm not paying I don't pay taxes as I fall outside the tax band unless Bojo changes all that.

Meanwhile breaking news off the radio, the government will not talk to the EU if they don't remove the backstop and draw up a new withdraw agreement. The game of poker is on, who has the best poker face.

[STEED]

@Jim: ^^^those Boris pictures are mean

Jim missed one where Bojo pushed that kid over in a game of rugby.

[MGR1]

Meanwhile Bojo is off to Scotland to sweat talk the fish wife and throw money at her. Once again we ask where is the money coming from, the magic money tree?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49146480


You and Jim may not like her (neither do I), but she and the SNP Administration in Edinburgh are a legally elected Governing body.:timeout:

They're only doing what they see is in the best interests of their electorate, even if that clashes with or is against the interests of English voters. At least Holyrood hasn't been around long enough to need draining, unlike Westminster.

As for tax bands, my own opinion is that the tax free allowance should be scrapped altogether and everyone pays income tax, even if it's only nominal amount. That way everyone contributes into the system.:D

Mike.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Meanwhile breaking news off the radio, the government will not talk to the EU if they don't remove the backstop and draw up a new withdraw agreement. The game of poker is on, who has the best poker face.Its damn good thing I'm not in the Commission! I would propably choke trying to avoid laughing. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

@Jim: ^^^those Boris pictures are mean
:haha:






Aye, he's a mean one alright :)

[Jimbuna]

As for tax bands, my own opinion is that the tax free allowance should be scrapped altogether and everyone pays income tax, even if it's only nominal amount. That way everyone contributes into the system.:D



I'm all for that but one thing that really pees me off is the realisation that having retired from a higher rate tax paying job at the age of 52 and currently receiving my work pension I am now aware that I am three years short on NI contributions to qualify for the full entitlement of my old age state pension when I reach the age of sixty six.

This will mean I'll receive twenty pounds per week less than the wife but have paid in infinitely more and best I don't dwell on the thought that those who have lived off welfare for lengthy periods will also receive more :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Its damn good thing I'm not in the Commission! I would propably choke trying to avoid laughing. :haha:

There's probably a lot more than just those in the Commission who are currently laughing at the UK :yep:

[STEED]

As for tax bands, my own opinion is that the tax free allowance should be scrapped altogether and everyone pays income tax, even if it's only nominal amount. That way everyone contributes into the system.:D

Mike. I disagree for those of us who only work 20 hour week, I am happy in my job and hope to remain in it until i retire. The problem is the government of the day wastes money on pet projects and miss handles their spending.

[STEED]

How is Bojo going to get a new deal if he will not talk to the EU? :doh:

Bojo could turn out the bigger threat to the UK more than the nameless one the way he is going.

[Reece]

He has a nice head of hair!! :yep:

[Catfish]

He has a nice head of hair!! :yep:
It has to come from somewhere inside :O:

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I disagree for those of us who only work 20 hour week, I am happy in my job and hope to remain in it until i retire. The problem is the government of the day wastes money on pet projects and miss handles their spending.What kind of income tax system you have in the UK? Here in Finland we have progressive system where tax percent is calculated based on tax payer's income. This means that those who earn a lot of money pay proportionally more taxes than those with low income.


For example if you earned 17,000€ per year, you would pay 6,00% in tax. If you earned 26,400€ per year, you would pay 17,25% in tax. If earnings are between thos two values, then tax would also be something in between.

[Catfish]

What kind of income tax system you have in the UK? Here in Finland we have progressive system where tax percent is calculated based on tax payer's income. This means that those who earn a lot of money pay proportionally more taxes than those with low income. [...]

Finnland seems to be basically like in Germany, though there is a limit of 42 percent "peak-tax" maximum, and everyone who earns more that 56,000 Euros for singles (or 112,000 for couples/families) a year has to pay it, which is about 2,9 percent germans.

But those 42 percent are only applied to what you earn more than those 55,000 Euros.

Also, a CEO can deduct tax if having a family, or cares for his future past retirement, so if you are really rich and know how to dodge, you pay around 24 percent maximum.


Oops you asked for english taxes i know

[Skybird]

One must look precisely, the discussion in public often mixes things up. There is the personal income tax rate, and then there is the total mandatory payment burden. Sweden leads the list of income taxes with maximums over 61% (personally I wuld refuse to work in such a regime and get away as fast as I can...) Germany and the UK both have maximum rates of 45%.



But when adding mandatory social taxes and health insurrances and all that, Germany and Belgium lead the global comparison, hooray.



Taxes are blackmailing proteciton money by the use of superior force and threat of violence. Regional communities and poulations should instead decide themselves what they plan to do and want to do in their lviing place and what not, cooperating with neighbours or not. Contributins to this should be voluntary, which means a community can not enefit from somethign that it does not accept to sufficiently fund.


The money must stay in the region where it stems from. It mjst stay i the local economic ciruclation. This is also a good prevention against the hubris of megalomaniac super-politicians. The Swiss have some good principles in this regard, although their progressives try to destroy them as well.

[Jimbuna]

Finnland seems to be basically like in Germany, though there is a limit of 42 percent "peak-tax" maximum, and everyone who earns more that 56,000 Euros for singles (or 112,000 for couples/families) a year has to pay it, which is about 2,9 percent germans.

But those 42 percent are only applied to what you earn more than those 55,000 Euros.

Also, a CEO can deduct tax if having a family, or cares for his future past retirement, so if you are really rich and know how to dodge, you pay around 24 percent maximum.


Oops you asked for english taxes i know

Sounds pretty similar to that of the UK and I admittedly 'worked' the pension allowance to get to where I am now.

[Jimbuna]

The EU banked on parliament rejecting no deal. Now that’s all changed.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/the-eu-banked-on-parliament-rejecting-no-deal-now-thats-all-changed/ar-AAF3vQl?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Quite an interesting comparison of Germany and France.

[ikalugin]

What kind of income tax system you have in the UK? Here in Finland we have progressive system where tax percent is calculated based on tax payer's income. This means that those who earn a lot of money pay proportionally more taxes than those with low income.


For example if you earned 17,000€ per year, you would pay 6,00% in tax. If you earned 26,400€ per year, you would pay 17,25% in tax. If earnings are between thos two values, then tax would also be something in between.
We have a flat rate system in Russia, as a rule you pay 13 percent of the income.

[Skybird]

Quite an interesting comparison of Germany and France.


The differences between Germany and France are real. In the past, France wanted to be great like during the Napoleonic age, but lacked the economic power to be that great by its own means: it needed the economic weight of Germany. And the Germans did not and still do not dare to be powerful by their own weight - they seek justification by lining up with a French partner that adds moral legitimation to their own power.

Its just that centralism and federalism do not dance well together. And the French are more ruthless to support and go after their interests, than the Germans. The French know very well that the Germans tend to always avoid serious conflict, and that they fall back from their positions if only you press them long enough. Thats what is happening now with the since-long wanted open collectivization of national debts and worker unemployemnt insurrances in Europe - a demand the French have risen since long since they would benefit from it and get support for their socialist money policy from it, while the Germans and some other net payers since long time tried to resist to this - but Merkel now giving room to it since it is a price for keeping the SPD in the grand coalition. Its bad for Germany and the German tax payers, but it is good for Merkel's ambition to fulfill her term, no matter what. Merkel first, Germany last.

I always thought that the cooperation between France and Germany is overrated and kind of glorified. The substance of it is much weaker, and it shows when crisis emerges, and conflict. Then one can see how weak the axis really is. And the German romantic dreams are not shared by France' political elite, for them the EU is a vehicle to transport France back to the top of the European hierarchy. Judging by how willingly the Germans time and again fall back in face of French pressure and demands (strating already with the Euro as a price for reunfiication), I can only conclude that berlin indeed is not aware of that and indeed still dreams the dream of France sharing German sentimentalism. The waking up from this dream will be financially extremely costly and potentially ruinous for the German employees and savers. French powerplay, versus German feeling-morally-good and romanticism.

There was Greece during the financial symptom outbreak 2007 ff. There is Italy. But the real financial reactor meltdown in the Eurozone takes place in France. With France' financial reactor core melting, next the the German Target-2 saldi will "blow off". And then the rest in liabilities.

This has all the ingredients for the mother of all financial and economic collapses.

The massacre will be anything but brief or sublime. It will be a bloodbath, and after the killing comes the after-killing. And nobody will suffer as high losses, as Germany.

[MGR1]

I'm all for that but one thing that really pees me off is the realisation that having retired from a higher rate tax paying job at the age of 52 and currently receiving my work pension I am now aware that I am three years short on NI contributions to qualify for the full entitlement of my old age state pension when I reach the age of sixty six.

This will mean I'll receive twenty pounds per week less than the wife but have paid in infinitely more and best I don't dwell on the thought that those who have lived off welfare for lengthy periods will also receive more :nope:


Looks like you received bad advice.:hmmm: My own employers pension scheme has two variations; a "normal" one where it's deducted off your gross pay and the other one which is a "salary sacrifice" system where it's deducted before tax. The latter means you pay less income tax, but your NI contributions are also less thus affecting your state pension. I've refused point blank to go onto the "salary sacrifice" system for obvious reasons.


Mike.

[MGR1]

I disagree for those of us who only work 20 hour week, I am happy in my job and hope to remain in it until i retire. The problem is the government of the day wastes money on pet projects and miss handles their spending.

I only do ten more hours than you, but I do have to highlight that the SNP have altered the tax bandings here in Scotland so I actually pay slightly less tax than someone in England does on the same wage.

Scottish income tax bands: 2019-2020

Over £12,500-£14,549 Starter Rate 19%

Over £14,549-£24,944 Scottish Basic Rate 20%

Over £24,944-£43,430 Intermediate Rate 21%

Over £43,430-£150,000 Higher Rate 41%

England, Wales Northern Ireland tax bands: 2019-2020

Over £12,501-£50,000 Basic Rate 20%

Over £50,001-£150,000 Higher Rate 40%

Applies throughout the UK:

Up to £12,500 Personal Allowance 0%

Over £150,000 Additional Rate 45%

National Insurance contributions are reserved to Westminster and are thus the same UK wide.

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Looks like you received bad advice.:hmmm:

I'm not so sure Mike. I weighed up all the options with the wifes cousin (chartered accountant) before deciding on the following:

ER/VR (Early Retirement/Voluntary Redundancy) Age 52

Five weeks pay per years service = two years salary as a tax free lump sum.
Full release of pension (gold plated, inflation proof) added to a further tax free lump sum equal to three times annual pension amount.

I spoke to the DWP on the phone and they advised a payment of £800 for each of the three years = £2400 to make up the £20 per week shortfall in the state pension but despite the fact I've now been in receipt of my pension for ten years (come March) the wife was adamant I shouldn't pay on the grounds of "You mightn't live three years past your 66th" :doh:

On principle I'll probably stick the DWP advisory amount into my recently born grandaughters building society account.

[ikalugin]

I only do ten more hours than you, but I do have to highlight that the SNP have altered the tax bandings here in Scotland so I actually pay slightly less tax than someone in England does on the same wage.

Scottish income tax bands: 2019-2020

Over £12,500-£14,549 Starter Rate 19%

Over £14,549-£24,944 Scottish Basic Rate 20%

Over £24,944-£43,430 Intermediate Rate 21%

Over £43,430-£150,000 Higher Rate 41%

England, Wales Northern Ireland tax bands: 2019-2020

Over £12,501-£50,000 Basic Rate 20%

Over £50,001-£150,000 Higher Rate 40%

Applies throughout the UK:

Up to £12,500 Personal Allowance 0%

Over £150,000 Additional Rate 45%

National Insurance contributions are reserved to Westminster and are thus the same UK wide.

Mike.
I wonder if this pushes the high earners to seek ways to avoid paying their taxes like loopholes and such.


We have decided to just use the same rate for all income brackets.

[Jimbuna]

Alastair Campbell has said he no longer wants to be a Labour member because Jeremy Corbyn is set to destroy the party and will never win an election against Boris Johnson.

Mr Campbell, the high-profile former communications chief for Tony Blair, said Mr Corbyn would likely suffer defeat in the next vote because the party has a strategy that looks "designed to lose."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/alastair-campbell-says-he-will-not-be-a-part-of-jeremy-corbyns-labour-because-it-no-longer-represents-his-values/ar-AAF3urt?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Having met the gentleman on several occasions and knowing he is not a one to compromise his beliefs the above does not surprise me at all.

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson has urged political parties in Northern Ireland to step up their efforts to restore power-sharing, during talks in Belfast.

The PM held a series of meetings with the five main Stormont parties, in which Brexit was also discussed.

On Tuesday night, Mr Johnson held a private meeting with senior DUP figures.

He relies on the party for support in key votes in Parliament.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49172693

IIRC it is about two and a half years now since there was a working government in Northern Ireland and there work is being carried out by civil servants.

This needs sorting asap :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Brexit: Dublin dismisses backstop pressure talk as 'codswallop'

There is a weary sense of "here we go again" among Irish government officials dealing with Brexit about briefings coming from London that Dublin is under pressure from other EU members about the backstop to avoid a no-deal Brexit.

The backstop is the insurance policy in the withdrawal agreement between the United Kingdom and European Union, designed to ensure that there is no hard border on the island of Ireland.

Both sides say they hope it never has to come into effect and that it will become redundant because of a wider trade deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49165897

This clearly shows what an utter shambles the position regarding a backstop is.

I doubt there will be any agreement at all, especially from the EU side because they have a copy of the 'surrender document' Theresa May foolishly signed so why should they?

Only possible outcome will be leave without a deal or rescind Article 50.

[STEED]

Am I the only one that can see bojo is on the election grab votes. All I see bojo here bojo there bojo throwing money around every where. I am not buying his glitz and glamour guff and view him as a possible threat of a mad man.

[Jimbuna]

He is higher in the polls than Farage and Steptoe so I'm wondering if he'll copy May and call an election.

[STEED]

He is higher in the polls than Farage and Steptoe so I'm wondering if he'll copy May and call an election.

Just wait for reality to pop the dream bubble when it all goes wrong for bojo. :03:

[mapuc]

Some thoughts

Boris have said UK leave EU deal or no deal on 31th Oct.

The other members in this UK-club have other ideas about this exit from EU.

If Boris does pull UK out of EU without a deal
(The joker is the Parliament)

would this mean the end of UK as we know it ?


Markus

[STEED]

Some thoughts

Boris have said UK leave EU deal or no deal on 31th Oct.

The other members in this UK-club have other ideas about this exit from EU.

If Boris does pull UK out of EU without a deal
(The joker is the Parliament)

would this mean the end of UK as we know it ?


Markus

YES...it will be the downfall of the UK from gutter to sewer. On the upside all politicians will be put up against the wall and on the down side they will be hit by custard pies.

[Catfish]

^ :haha:

.. or by milk shakes

[Skybird]

would this mean the end of UK as we know it ?

Only if Scotland or Wales or Northern Ireland decide to indeed separate.



The scots had a referendum and said no to separation while saying yes to EU memberhsip some tie later. Their poltical elader want to initiate a swecond referendum on UK membership, hoping to break away after that. Whether that referndum comes any time soon, is unclear. whether they now would split with the UK, also is unclear.


Northern Ireland's leadership party DUP said they want no solid border (regarding free goods transit) with the Republic of Ireland that is EU territory, but they also said they will so far not break away from the UK or block Johnson's acceptance of a no deal brexit. They would not like a hard brexit, but whether they really would leave the UK if they do not get concessions on the inner-Irish border, is unclear to me.


Wales I do not know. For whatever a reason over here we hear nothing on Wales, never. Must be England's Bielefeld. :)


So a splitting of the UK is a risk that should be taken into account and taken for real, but so far I do not see it becoming reality. The wrst Johnson could do is start mocking about it and by this spilling fuel into the ember.


Johnson has acchieved one thing. So far, during the reign of May neither Berlin nor Paris took the chance of a hard Brexit serious and a realistic scenario. They both assumed that frustrating the English long enough and having their agent May seated in the Londown office, they would not need to seriously consider that scenario. Now they are in full alarm mode, and it dawns on them that a hard Brexit may become reality. Paris reacts with aggrieved stubborness, Berlin indirecty signaled they are thinking beyond Brexit already and want to secure good ties to London after a Brexit. Unclear whether the Germans will go so far as to embrace a giving up of the Bckstop, but the French and Germans certainly are set to confront each other behind the curtain. They will try to keep the public unaware of it, however, and I assume the French will win the bout.

[Jimbuna]

Some thoughts

Boris have said UK leave EU deal or no deal on 31th Oct.

The other members in this UK-club have other ideas about this exit from EU.

If Boris does pull UK out of EU without a deal
(The joker is the Parliament)

would this mean the end of UK as we know it ?


Markus

That is the million dollar question but at the very least it would add wight to those who would like to see a break up of the Union.

[Jimbuna]

The government has announced an extra £2.1bn of funding to prepare for a no-deal Brexit - doubling the amount of money it has set aside this year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49183324

This annoys me when you take into consideration the growing number of people who are homeless as well as those visiting food banks.

[STEED]

This annoys me when you take into consideration the growing number of people who are homeless as well as those visiting food banks.
MONEY MONEY MONEY WE'RE ALL ROLLING IN MONEY IN THE RICH UK. :)

Back in the real world you are spot on jim the numbers of homeless around here has gone up. Don't tell the day dreamers that their all in love with Bojo.

[Jimbuna]

Oh ye of little faith.

[Jimbuna]

Voters in Brecon and Radnorshire go to the polls today to elect a new member of Parliament.

A large Tory defeat and a Lib-Dem gain me thinks :hmmm:

[STEED]

Oh ye of little faith.

When it comes to Bojo there is no faith in him his cabinet his government.

We're doomed, in the words of Hudson from ALIENS.....

"GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER"

[STEED]

Voters in Brecon and Radnorshire go to the polls today to elect a new member of Parliament.

A large Tory defeat and a Lib-Dem gain me thinks :hmmm:

Nahh...Bojo has bought votes. ;) :shifty: :roll: :rotfl2:

[Jimbuna]

Voters in Brecon and Radnorshire go to the polls today to elect a new member of Parliament.

A large Tory defeat and a Lib-Dem gain me thinks :hmmm:

A told ya :yep:

The Liberal Democrats have won the Brecon and Radnorshire by-election, leaving new PM Boris Johnson with a Commons working majority of just one.

Jane Dodds overturned an 8,038 majority to beat incumbent Conservative Chris Davies by 1,425 votes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49200636

[STEED]

A told ya :yep:

Bojo's cheque bounced...:haha:

LibDems would have not won if those other party's did not stand aside, Lab behind Brexit.. :har:

[Jimbuna]

More ammo to add to the agument for a swift general election.

[STEED]

More ammo to add to the agument for a swift general election.

Bojo will never do that not even if he was miles ahead in the polls, he will not do a May blunder. It all comes down to the opposition and as I pointed out remainers in the tories sitting on seats they could loose defecting or going independent. I have my doubt's there be any movement.

[Jimbuna]

He mightn't have a choice in the matter soon. It'll be like turkeys voting for christmas.

[STEED]

Just realized there is a matter we all over looked, if bojo goes for a no deal crash out he wlll have to pass a no deal budget though parliament so this too will cause big problems.

I hear from Sky news, newspapers review Nigel Farage is predicting two general elections in the next six months!

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson could be facing defections or resignations from disgruntled Tory MPs after the party's defeat in the Brecon and Radnorshire by-election.

The new Prime Minister has been warned over the fragility of his leadership after his working majority was reduced to just one by the loss on Thursday.

He has now been told Conservative MPs who are in opposition to his hardline Brexit approach could quit.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-could-face-defections-from-mps-after-tory-by-election-defeat/ar-AAFfEzr?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

It would appear some of the rats may well decide to jump from the sinking ship.

[STEED]

It would appear some of the rats may well decide to jump from the sinking ship.

The party is over and the guests have sobered up, hard cold real life has hit them in the face. But hey all they got to do is crack open a another bottle of wine and get back to drunk punch everything is cool.

I doubt any tory remain mp on a small majority that could loose there sit will switch sides or go independent.

[STEED]

https://news.sky.com/story/priti-patel-denies-backing-death-penalty-but-says-criminals-should-feel-terror-11776288

What planet is this woman living on? Judges are liberal and so is the law. Criminals are laughing all the way, Priti Patel is just another plonker headline grabbing and doing sod sweet all. Another useless person we could do without in power.

[Jimbuna]

Priti Patel has said she wants criminals to "literally feel terror" at the thought of committing any offences in the UK.

I fail to see what is wrong with that statement and I base that opinion on having seen first hand the effect criminal offences all too often have on their victims.

[Jimbuna]

The government is planning to create up to 10 free ports across the UK after Brexit.

They allow firms to import goods and then re-export them outside normal tax and customs rules.

The UK last had such zones in 2012 and Prime Minister Boris Johnson believes they could create jobs in "left-behind areas".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49198825

This could make a little difference should Brexit go ahead.

Labour said the move involved no new investment and could attract money launderers and tax dodgers.

A typical Labour response unfortunately.

[STEED]

Ten days of boris and I am already bored to death with him and his government. I suggest we put the animals of London Zoo in charge after all they will far more interesting. :)

[Catfish]

A better idea would be to put certain politicians in cages together with certain animals of prey, and be sure not to forget the german ones please when you do so.

[Skybird]

A better idea would be to put certain politicians in cages together with certain animals of prey
You repeat yourself. :D

[STEED]

The magic money tree produces a windfall for the NHS now as bojo gives it a good shake.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49220911

Maybe we should all ask for some money as bojo is giving it away like there is no tomorrow.

[Jimbuna]

A better idea would be to put certain politicians in cages together with certain animals of prey, and be sure not to forget the german ones please when you do so.

Any suggestions for both human and animal contestants?

[Jimbuna]

The magic money tree produces a windfall for the NHS now as bojo gives it a good shake.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49220911

Maybe we should all ask for some money as bojo is giving it away like there is no tomorrow.

And why not?

A great many of us have paid large sums in taxes.

I'll leave it there.

[STEED]

And why not?

A great many of us have paid large sums in taxes.

I'll leave it there.

Here you go jim......



Dear Prime Minster Johnson

As a humble ex police officer whom has done there bit for Queen and country, supported you throughout your political career and a hardline brexiteer I plead to you please give me some money.

I'm down too my last pack of four beers, please take pity on me a big time supporter of your wonderful exciting dynamic government. I'm not asking for much, just a half a million too help me though my pension years. I let you visit me for a media photo shoot that will boost your ratings even more.

Yours
Jimbo

[Reece]

You know he just might fall for it!! :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

supported you throughout your political career Wrong, was a Labour Party member for almost a quarter of a century.

hardline brexiteer Wrong, simply a believer in politicians honouring the referendum result which they overwhelmingly voted to do.

I'm down too my last pack of four beers Wrong, there are currently sixteen cases in my storage area.

your wonderful exciting dynamic government Really? your words and most certainly not mine.

just a half a million too help me though my pension years Nope, pretty much self sufficient in the financial department.

You really need to take stock of yourself if you don't want to lose that image of being a pseudo curmudgeon.

[STEED]

Hey jim how the heck is bojo going to know the facts, after all hes a politician. :haha:

[STEED]

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/chris-johns-the-tragic-death-of-fiscal-arithmetic-in-brexit-britain-1.3975378

:hmmm: One thing is for sure prepare for a nightmare and you will be ready sort of..

[Jimbuna]

EU leaders must give their chief negotiator the mandate to revise the UK's withdrawal agreement, otherwise a no-deal Brexit is "coming down the tracks", the Brexit secretary has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49223319

Totally expected message but in reality ain't gonna happen.

[STEED]

The EU has nothing much to loose why we have everything to loose. This government sounds wreckless, the question is are they going to act in the same way. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

A way to look at the past two weeks is that BJ knows he cannot do much and thus tries to mobilize his voters for general elections, playing the "Tough Brexiteer" card.



He might fall for the same miscalculation like once May did when calling early elections: that such elections will provide the PM with a stronger majority.



The EU of course will stand ready to accept any further delay in exit dates. In fact already several weeks ago Tusk had invited the UK to take more time. Much more time.



Infinite amount of time, at best. That way, things stay as they are and the UK remains a EU member.

[Catfish]

Tusk's more pro british than the whole Tory Party :03:

If it all goes so "nice for the EU" as Skybird claims, exactly his would kill Europe. Bogged down for years investing all energy in useless negotiations with Corbyn or Johnson or Farage who all despise Europe.
And it seems they despise Europe more, than their population does.

[STEED]

Tusk's more pro british than the whole Tory Party :03:
Jim's new drinking buddy. :D :yeah:

[Skybird]

^ Hardly.



However, Johnson has not just reason to fear sharing May'S fate with early elections - he also has reason to hope for better outrocme indeed, because apparently he was able to bring back many Tory voters who last time voted for Farrage after being driven away by May.


I think he will go "all in" sooner or later. He probably has no other option. And with one assumption the Tories were right when making him their new party leader: he is the far sharper weapon to deliver hurting strikes at Corbyn, than May was.

[Catfish]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu/after-brexit-pledges-british-pm-johnson-announces-cash-injection-for-health-idUSKCN1UU0OF

Johnson visiting a submarine, Johnson visiting a hospital.. he almost tries to make it look as if he cared.

[Skybird]

War drums are rolled before battle, and visiting submarines and hospitals is done before elections.

[STEED]

The NHS payment is only a one off and I doubt all that money will go to the frontline where it's needed. I bet some of it will find its way to admin to pay for a £800 box of paper clips.

Yes Bojo is here and everywhere throwing money around getting ready for a general election. That and the big crash out while he packs his bags ready to flee the UK.

[Jimbuna]

^ Hardly.



However, Johnson has not just reason to fear sharing May'S fate with early elections - he also has reason to hope for better outrocme indeed, because apparently he was able to bring back many Tory voters who last time voted for Farrage after being driven away by May.


I think he will go "all in" sooner or later. He probably has no other option. And with one assumption the Tories were right when making him their new party leader: he is the far sharper weapon to deliver hurting strikes at Corbyn, than May was.

Agreed on all counts even though I consider him nothing more than a blithering idiot :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Tusk's more pro british than the whole Tory Party :03:

If it all goes so "nice for the EU" as Skybird claims, exactly his would kill Europe. Bogged down for years investing all energy in useless negotiations with Corbyn or Johnson or Farage who all despise Europe.
And it seems they despise Europe more, than their population does.

I'll have you know that Corbyn and his party are now Remainers.

Admittedly Corbyn was forced to change his stance but change his stance he did :yep:

[Catfish]

I'll have you know that Corbyn and his party are now Remainers.
Admittedly Corbyn was forced to change his stance but change his stance he did :yep:
Ok thanks, so this (his) new stance is official ..
Not out of conviction i guess, but more for tactical reasons :03:
Just not when it comes to antisemitism? :hmmm:

OT: Seriously i do not get why just "the left" has an axe to grind with just of all the jews. I mean if they are so "left" and opposed to the Nazis..
A lot of german left "intellectuals" (lol) pompously declared that Israel would behave like the Nazis in the Levante. Surely there are no better suited people in the whole world than just of all Israel, against whom to strike a pose of moral superiority.

(and yes i mean the last sarcastic of course, i just don't know whether my english capabilities are up to the job)

[Jimbuna]

You're doing fine Kai, I'd certainly seek clarafication if I wasn't sure what you had written and sadly, my German (both written and spoken) is a million miles poorer than your English :salute:

[Jimbuna]

With regard to your comments on Corbyn/Steptoe

https://i.imgur.com/9PUCLAV.jpg

Here is an interesting if only a short article from a man I know and met during my service years.

Alan Johnson a former minister is one of only a handful of political entities within the Labour Party I still admire.

Jeremy Corbyn is 'a total disaster' who 'has people around him to do his shoelaces up' says former Labour minister Alan Johnson
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-is-a-total-disaster-who-has-people-around-him-to-do-his-shoelaces-up-says-former-labour-minister-alan-johnson/ar-AAFkEi7?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

[Jimbuna]

The NHS payment is only a one off and I doubt all that money will go to the frontline where it's needed. I bet some of it will find its way to admin to pay for a £800 box of paper clips.



I'm not about to infract myself by posting a fitting response to the above so will simply leave that below as my response.

Boris Johnson has given the green light to 20 new building and infrastructure projects in the NHS in England.

The £850m package will pay for new wards, intensive care units and diagnostic centres as well as refurbishing some existing facilities over the next five years.

"It's part of a programme that the NHS asked for and I want to stress this is new money," the prime minister said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49230461

[ikalugin]

I'm not about to infract myself by posting a fitting response to the above so will simply leave that below as my response.
Reminds me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A

[Jimbuna]

Makes one wonder just how close to reality some comedy shows actually are.

[ikalugin]

Makes one wonder just how close to reality some comedy shows actually are.
As we say - every joke is only part joke (and part truth).

[Jimbuna]

For all those 'Doubting Thomas's' here is further proof that Steptoe, that lifelong anti-EU individual has been forced to change his spots (some leopards actually do).

When those nefarious Tory traitors raise their heads which they will have to do and side with Labour I hope there will be swift retribution from their respective constituencies.

Jeremy Corbyn will fight to block no-deal Brexit by calling no-confidence vote.

Jeremy Corbyn will call for a vote of no confidence in the Government this autumn in a bid to stop a damaging no-deal Brexit .

The Labour leader signalled the party would table the motion as soon as MPs return from their summer break in early September.

The Mirror understands that a cross-party group of MPs are spending the recess plotting to stop Mr Johnson leaving without a deal.

Senior Tory MPs - dubbed the “kamikazes” for their willingness to bring the Government down - have stepped up talks with Labour and other Opposition parties in response to the growing threat.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/jeremy-corbyn-will-fight-to-block-no-deal-brexit-by-calling-no-confidence-vote/ar-AAFnCbv?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

[Jimbuna]

I think the political correspondent Nick Eardley sums up where we are here and now quite well.

The EU is not optimistic about any agreement with the UK.

The message they are getting from Boris Johnson's team is that the UK is not going to sign another deal unless it involves getting rid of the backstop.

But the EU has been clear time and time again that it isn't going to do that - the backstop is an integral part of any withdrawal agreement and it has to stay.

So the conclusion of officials is there is no reason to get back round the table at the moment, for the simple reason that they don't think they can meet the conditions Boris Johnson has set.

There are a couple of months to try to eke something out from one of the sides - to see if somebody blinks and there is some room for negotiation either in Brussels or in London.

But at the moment, many people think the direction of travel is heading towards a no-deal Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49240809

[STEED]

That person has blown it, he has allowed Bojo to stand on more solid ground with all his promises ringing richly in people's ears. Bojo has better odds on wining the next general election, it will take some very solid evidence to put Bojo back on shaky ground.

As for the EU their door is always open to drag out brexit.

[Jimbuna]

Cabinet minister Michael Gove says the EU "seem to be refusing to negotiate with the UK" over a new Brexit deal.

Mr Gove, who is responsible for no-deal planning, said he was "deeply saddened" that Brussels was, in his words, saying "no, we don't want to talk".

It comes after the EU said UK demands to remove the Irish backstop from Theresa May's deal were unacceptable.

Irish PM Leo Varadkar has reiterated that the withdrawal deal, including the backstop, cannot be renegotiated.

The European Commission said it was willing to hold further talks, "should the UK wish to clarify its position".

Meanwhile, a group of politicians has started a legal action aimed at preventing Boris Johnson shutting down Parliament to force through a no-deal Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49251257

I was wondering how long it would be before Gove chipped in.

So the game of ping pong has begun and that last sentence concerns me and a great many others I suspect.

[mapuc]

There are usually two to play ping pong and so far it's only England who playing ping against a wall.

Markus

[Skybird]

Time seems to play in the Brexiteers' favor: this is a Google translation from something in Der Spiegel:



After a successful no-confidence vote, Johnson and his opponents would have 14 days to prove under British law that they can form a government without a new election - by winning a vote in parliament. If that fails, the prime minister must dissolve the parliament and start new elections. The waiting time is at least 25 days. If the opposition Labor Party requests a no-confidence vote right after the summer break on September 3, the rest of the timetable could look like this:

September 4: The vote of no confidence takes place, the government loses.
18 September: The 14-day period ends without a new government.
September 19: Johnson announces a new election date.
September 20: The parliament is dissolved.

As in the UK elections are traditionally held on a Thursday, the election could take place at the earliest on 31 October - the day of Brexit. If Johnson ignores this custom, October 25 would be possible.

However, Johnson can largely determine the election date freely - and to act in a hurry he would have little reason. "His problem is that in Parliament, even after a new election there would be a majority for nothing/against anything," says a Brexit negotiator of an EU state. But the new prime minister would hardly risk repeatedly failing with a withdrawal agreement in parliament similar to his predecessor May.



I assume the time gap between September 20th and Octobre 25th/31st is due to mandatory legal rules for a moratorium between dissolving the parliament and calling elections. 3 weeks?


http://www.aastad.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/keep-calm-and-ho-ho-ho-5.png

[Jimbuna]

Interesting if potentially chaotic times ahead Sky once Parliament returns.

[Jimbuna]

A future Labour government would not block a second Scottish independence referendum, according to shadow chancellor John McDonnell.

In an interview at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, he said any decision about holding a vote would be up to the Scottish Parliament.

His view contradicts that of Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard.

Earlier this year, Mr Leonard said the party would refuse to grant Holyrood the power to hold another vote.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49257322

As desperate as Labour are in there current poll ratings I'm wondering how many promises they are willing to make to improve said ratings.

[Jimbuna]

Rebel MPs are working on a plan to thwart Boris Johnson pursuing a no-deal Brexit on 31 October that involves forcing parliament to sit through the autumn recess, amid growing outrage about the power and influence of his controversial aide, Dominic Cummings.

The cross-party group of MPs is looking at legislative options with mounting urgency because of the hardline tactics of Cummings, who one Conservative insider described as running a “reign of terror” in No 10 aimed at achieving Brexit on 31 October at any cost.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/new-rebel-bid-to-halt-no-deal-brexit-amid-fury-at-pms-enforcer/ar-AAFtZyp?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

If matters deteriorate further I wonder what odds a bookmaker would offer on civil unrest occuring :hmmm:

[STEED]

https://news.sky.com/story/tens-of-thousands-quit-labour-in-first-annual-membership-drop-under-jeremy-corbyn-11780139

Not much of a blow, I suspect they will fill those ranks with the solid hard left head bangers.

Meanwhile I hear labour is planning a coup by over throwing boris....YEA YEA YEA.
Dream on, with any luck it will be the voters over throwing Westminster when the you know what hits the fan.

[STEED]

Are we facing the night of long knives or is it just media over kill again. :hmmm:

So much info coming out makes me wonder how much of this brexit battle is true and what is nothing more than hot air.

[Reece]

It has been going on for a long time!! Does anyone take Brexit seriously anymore? :doh:

[Jimbuna]

It has been going on for a long time!! Does anyone take Brexit seriously anymore? :doh:

Approximately 50% of Tory MPs apparently.

[STEED]

It has been going on for a long time!! Does anyone take Brexit seriously anymore? :doh:

The way it has been going you would think no.

[Jimbuna]

Mr Corbyn said his party would propose a no-confidence vote at an "appropriate" time after the Commons returned from its summer recess on 3 September.

Election rules say Parliament should be dissolved 25 working days before polling day - so some people are concerned Mr Johnson could allow a no-deal Brexit to happen while MPs are not sitting.

If the PM loses the motion of no-confidence, then under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act he would have another 14 days to win a vote of confidence.

If he failed to win such a vote, then a general election would be called on a date advised on by the PM.

However, if another candidate could secure the confidence of the Commons, Mr Johnson would be expected to resign and recommend the Queen appoint that person in his place.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49285670

Does Steptoe really believe he could be that person? :haha:

[STEED]

Looks like we could be heading for recession as the economy contracts for the first time in a while...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49290926

Looking at the graph shows we are going down so Bojo what's the plan?

[STEED]

https://news.sky.com/story/queen-may-cut-short-holiday-if-brexit-causes-constitutional-crisis-11780528

I say the Queen should tell Westminster to grow up and stop acting like a load of brats.

[Jimbuna]

Chancellor Sajid Javid has announced a one-year spending review to give government departments "financial certainty" as they prepare for Brexit.

Mr Javid said a spending round for 2020-21 would "clear the ground ahead of Brexit while delivering on people's priorities".

He told the BBC that he was confident it would meet the government's priorities for the NHS, police and schools.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49286339

This would be a pretty tough balancing act to get right.

[STEED]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49302778

COD WARS RETURNING?

RN is over stretched now so Bojo if this erupts in a fishing war what are you going to do about it?

[Jimbuna]

Twelve ships should just about be enough to 'batter' any intruders in UK waters.

[Catfish]

https://i.imgur.com/KNG7v2Cl.jpg

Anyone remembers that?

"They want our fish!"
"The EU forces us to pack fish in plastic film!"

1. No there are enough waters for fishing, though England has of course a lot of coast, basically it is all coast ;). And some fish are regarded as endangered species, so the EU including England decided to adapt fishing rules for protection.

2, No BoJo, England did this all alone. The EU did not force England or the UK to wrap fish in plastic, you did it yourself

There are of course lies with more impact than those ridiculous accusations. But hey if people fall for that, why not for all else?

B.t.w. here is a list of all those myths that have been perpetrated by those good old haters about the EU.
Although if Johnson, Farage or Mogg intentionally use them i would call it them lies.
https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

[STEED]

^Yea Bojo really cocked up big time that day but don't tell the conservative membership that their all wearing rose tinted glasses. :|\\

[Jimbuna]

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

Quite a list Kai and one I will peruse in more detail over the coming days :salute:

[Jimbuna]

Richard Braine has been elected as the leader of the UK Independence Party.

"We have got a great future and we are coming back. I am very excited and looking forward to leadership of this party, bringing the members together and delivering better results," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49307101

I somehow doubt it, UKIP succeeded in what it set out to achieve and that was the referendum. Farage and his Brexit party have picked up the mantle now.

[STEED]

^

https://www.jiostickers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/LOL-Animated-Smiley-Emoji.gif

Oh come off it, UKIP is dead and sooner it excepts that the sooner UKIP passes into the history books.

They are a clown party full of clowns..:har:

[Jimbuna]

Queen's fury at her politicians: 'Dismayed' monarch tells aides of her 'disappointment in the current political class' and their 'inability to govern correctly' amid Brexit turmoil.

The Queen has voiced her frustration with today's politicians and their 'inability to govern correctly', it has been claimed.

The 93-year-old monarch remains scrupulously neutral in public but is said to have told aides of her 'disappointment in the current political class'.

She made the comments in 2016 but her feelings have only intensified since then amid endless political turmoil over Brexit, sources told The Sunday Times.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/queens-fury-at-her-politicians-dismayed-monarch-tells-aides-of-her-disappointment-in-the-current-political-class-and-their-inability-to-govern-correctly-amid-brexit-turmoil/ar-AAFD7pW?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

WOW! just WOW! :o

This is unprecedented in modern day times but surely goes to show just what a shambles the political landscape is in these troubled times.

[STEED]

^ Yes the Queen is rather...https://emojis.slackmojis.com/emojis/images/1542340464/4967/facepalm.gif?1542340464


I am passed that stage and now...https://emojis.slackmojis.com/emojis/images/1542340458/4962/anger.gif?1542340458


I am convinced we should give the monkey house at London zoo a spin in government, surly the monkeys can do a better job than these wasters we have.

[Jimbuna]

Bend the knee.

[Reece]

STEED can take it Jim!! :yep::D

[Jimbuna]

I used to think so but these days I'm not so sure.

[Skybird]

I am convinced we should give the monkey house at London zoo a spin in government, surly the monkeys can do a better job than these wasters we have.
Still the final word on your suggestion:

https://paddle8.com/work/banksy/116478-monkey-parliament/

[Jimbuna]

Still the final word on your suggestion:

https://paddle8.com/work/banksy/116478-monkey-parliament/

Ah, Banksy...simply the best in his field :cool:

[Jimbuna]

Theresa May is to snub her former Chancellor Philip Hammond by leaving him off her resignation honours list.

The former prime minister is finalising the names on her list, which is expected to see several senior members of her staff elevated to the House of Lords. She is also considering handing honours to some of her closest political allies.

As one of her most senior and longest serving ministers, Mr Hammond – a former foreign secretary and defence secretary – would have been eligible for an honour.

But in a sign of how their relationship soured during her time in office, he is understood to have missed out entirely.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/theresa-may-is-to-snub-her-former-chancellor-philip-hammond-by-leaving-him-off-her-resignation-honours-list/ar-AAFGGys?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

All outgoing PM's usually have the last laugh and slice of that pie they call 'revenge'.

[STEED]

Another day shacking the magic money tree and still no one but us are asking where the heck is all this money coming from Bojo? You would expect this sort of thing from Labour going on a spending spree, alarm bells are going off full blast falling on deaf ears.


Oh by the way I see GP waiting times are in the news oh I wish I could get in in three weeks. Four to five weeks wait around here so Bojo what is the plan to sort this out? Don't tell me shack the magic money tree. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

The UK Labour Party deputy leader Tom Watson has spoken out against a second Scottish independence referendum.

It follows comments by shadow chancellor John McDonnell that a future Labour government would not block another vote.

Mr Watson said another referendum "is not the answer" to Tory austerity and Brexit.

He added that he fully endorsed the position of Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49314350

And they wonder why they came in a poor fourth in the latest By-election :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson and Carrie Symonds have been photographed together at an official reception in Number 10 Downing Street.

The Prime Minister, who has been in post since July 24, was photographed with his partner at an event to honour staff from six hospices.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-and-carrie-symonds-photographed-at-downing-street-reception/ar-AAFHNsn?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Not unexpected but I should imagine this will liven the place up :O:

[Jimbuna]

Tory MP accidentally reveals ‘General Election 2019’ email.

A senior Conservative MP has fuelled expectation that Boris Johnson is planning for an autumn general election with an email reading “GE 2019”.

Damian Hinds – the education secretary until last month – accidentally let slip the existence of a “GE team” in the message posted on his Instagram account.

Apparently sent by an aide, the snapshot of the email has a subject line reading: “Re (2): GE 2019 GE team thoughts”.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-mp-accidentally-reveals-general-election-2019-email/ar-AAFKgX5?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

I think it only a matter of time before further leaks will inform us whether a planned general election will happen before or after 31st October.

My money would be on after.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I think it only a matter of time before further leaks will inform us whether a planned general election will happen before or after 31st October.

My money would be on after.When PM announces general election day, what happens with the existing Parliament? Does it remain functional until new MPs takeover, or does it dissolve sometime before election day? Just wondering if BoJo could use this to keep dissenting MPs out of the way at and around October 31st. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

When PM announces general election day, what happens with the existing Parliament? Does it remain functional until new MPs takeover, or does it dissolve sometime before election day? Just wondering if BoJo could use this to keep dissenting MPs out of the way at and around October 31st. :hmmm:

Parliament would be dissolved 25 days before the election date.

[STEED]

So that thing suggests put me in power....WHAT!!!!

The LIbs and the Greens have said no, the Welsh and SNP no comment yet but probably will also say no. That thing is a fart and its about time that fart went away.

GET THAT THING AND THOSE HEAD BANGERS OUT OF LABOUR THIS SECOND!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250

[STEED]

^Wow I hear on the news Tory remainers could back the nameless one!!!!!

Talk about desperate that really is crawling.

[Jimbuna]

So that thing suggests put me in power....WHAT!!!!

The LIbs and the Greens have said no, the Welsh and SNP no comment yet but probably will also say no. That thing is a fart and its about time that fart went away.

GET THAT THING AND THOSE HEAD BANGERS OUT OF LABOUR THIS SECOND!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250

Never in a million years or for as long as God has made little green apples :nope:

[Jimbuna]

^Wow I hear on the news Tory remainers could back the nameless one!!!!!

Talk about desperate that really is crawling.

Well there is a connection even if it is a tenuous one.

https://i.postimg.cc/9fPYM6XZ/Co-Dz1-Ml-XEAA1-XMY.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[STEED]

People people people listen to the wise words of STEED, look this trade deal with America about food standards relax. You do not have to buy American food you are not being forced so chill out and relax. Come on people is America sticking a gun at your head saying buy American? No so stop getting worked up over it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49353220

[Jimbuna]

Food is not the primary concern.....US firms entering our health care services are.

[Catfish]

^ This is not about individuals to decide whether they want one chlorinated chicken, but about a government having to guarantee buying masses of said stuff from the US.

Trump just bullied the EU to buy vast amounts of soy beans no one needs or wants here, to make up for his chinese tariff losses.

[Jimbuna]

^ I know who to contact then when I need to replenish my bottles of soy sauce for my Chinese cooking :)

[STEED]

Jeremy Corbyn: 'It is not up to Jo Swinson to decide who will be next PM'

https://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-hopes-lib-dems-will-reverse-opposition-to-caretaker-pm-plan-11786571

OH AND WHO PUTS THEMSELVES FORWARD THINKING THEIR THE ONLY ONE FIT FOR THE JOB...YOU, YOU BLOODY MINDED FOOL. :mad: :mad:

You are unfit to be a leader of a party so sod off and take that nest of vipers with you. :mad:

[STEED]

Boris ask the BBC why they have robbed pensioners of their free tv licence and now plan to spend £1 Million on adverts to get the young back watching the BBC.

More money wasted by the BBC and what is Boris going to do?......NOTHING I BET.

[Jimbuna]

OH AND WHO PUTS THEMSELVES FORWARD THINKING THEIR THE ONLY ONE FIT FOR THE JOB...YOU, YOU BLOODY MINDED FOOL. :mad: :mad:

You are unfit to be a leader of a party so sod off and take that nest of vipers with you. :mad:

Actually on this matter he is quite correct, not that I'm overjoyed at the prospect.

"Under normal constitutional processes in Britain, when a government collapses, the leader of the opposition is called on to form a government"

[Jimbuna]

Senior Tory MP Sir Oliver Letwin has said he does not support Jeremy Corbyn becoming a caretaker prime minister in a bid to avoid a no-deal Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49380280

It would appear there is a level this Tory traitor will not stoop to.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Actually on this matter he is quite correct, not that I'm overjoyed at the prospect.

"Under normal constitutional processes in Britain, when a government collapses, the leader of the opposition is called on to form a government"But is it necessary, that the leader of that party has to be the PM? Finland's late-president Mauno Koivisto was never elected to the Eduskunta (Parliament of Finland) and he never served as leader of the Social Democratic Party. Despite this, he served twice as prime minister (22.3.1968–14.5.1970 and 6.5.1979–26.1.1982) and after second term he was elected by Eduskunta to become Finland's 8th president (at the time, parliament selected president, not public).

[Jimbuna]

^ Afraid so because to win the vote he obviously needs the support of his own parties MP's.

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson will tell EU leaders there needs to be a new Brexit deal when he makes his first trip abroad as PM later this week.

The UK will leave the EU on 31 October with or without a deal, he will insist.

However, No 10 said there will be "very little discussion" of Brexit during the meetings in France and Germany.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49385263

I suspect he'll be wasting his breath and if you read the article in full you'll see 'Project Fear' is in full swing.

[Skybird]

The road to non-deral Brexit: terms, timetables and conditions explained:



https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49004486


It gets tight at the end, and a legal battle at the supreme court is likely. I do not like such most profound political course plotting being decided by judges. Because judges are not responsible to the public, but responsible to encrypted administrative rules - this and not more is what laws are. And many use them to hide behind them.



We have experience with EU-related and Euro-related conflicts in Germany being decided by the Bundesverfassungsgericht, our highest court. They are almost all very bad, for the courts proved to be cowardly and very obedient - not to say: submissive - to EU and the ECB.

[STEED]

I see the nameless one spouting off the usual promises vote for me and all will be dandy. I will never vote Labour while that thing and that things gang of loony headbanger only agenda is to bankrupt the country because they can not add up 2 + 2.

I will not vote for any political party at the moment as all of them are unfit to vote for. They all have there internal faults and all of them twist bend and turn the truth inside out. I will not vote for the sweet lies, try telling the truth all the time I dare you.

[Jimbuna]

The road to non-deral Brexit: terms, timetables and conditions explained:



https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49004486


It gets tight at the end, and a legal battle at the supreme court is likely. I do not like such most profound political course plotting being decided by judges. Because judges are not responsible to the public, but responsible to encrypted administrative rules - this and not more is what laws are. And many use them to hide behind them.



We have experience with EU-related and Euro-related conflicts in Germany being decided by the Bundesverfassungsgericht, our highest court. They are almost all very bad, for the courts proved to be cowardly and very obedient - not to say: submissive - to EU and the ECB.

Whichever way the wind blows/MP's vote it will be akin to turkeys voting for christmas.

[Jimbuna]

The Labour leader said the UK is facing a Brexit "crisis" and will vow to do "everything necessary" to stop the UK leaving the EU without a deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49391297

Surely this can't be the Euro sceptic (since 1983) they are quoting? :hmmm:

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49393556



"After Brexit the government will introduce a new, fairer immigration system that prioritises skills and what people can contribute to the UK, rather than where they come from."
A Downing Street spokeswoman added that "tougher criminality rules" for those coming to the UK will be introduced.


Somebody will try to make a big deal of this, but - isn't that just sounding like old-fashioned plain reason...? I wish this view would spread all over Europe.

[mapuc]

I wonder if my British friends will be here among us after Oct. 31

Reading some of those doomsday prediction(Danish and Swedish), give the impression -Britain will go down the drain if they leave EU without a deal

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49393556






Somebody will try to make a big deal of this, but - isn't that just sounding like old-fashioned plain reason...? I wish this view would spread all over Europe.

A similar scheme is used by other countries such as Canada and Australia and has worked well enough for them but remember, the above will only happen if no deal can be reached.

I'm thinking a no deal is the most likely outcome.

[Jimbuna]

I wonder if my British friends will be here among us after Oct. 31

Reading some of those doomsday prediction(Danish and Swedish), give the impression -Britain will go down the drain if they leave EU without a deal

Markus

There are a lot more Brits living in the EU than EU citizens living in the UK Markus and that should be the major worry.

Whichever way it eventually pans out though, I doubt the UK will be going 'down the drain'

[Skybird]

Whichever way it eventually pans out though, I doubt the UK will be going 'down the drain'
Of this I am still quite certain, although the immediate future will now be more difficult than was necessary because you started serious preparations so late. Difficult it always appeared to become int he short and medium future, but in the long run...

And once the core meltdown of the Euro can no longer be hidden from the public perception, it may pay off not to be a member of the EU and Euro regimes. Very possible that then EU citizens will envy you and other states that are not fully associated with the Euro, EU.

Germany will get the biggest smacking since WW2. Every reasonable man should know that the more money somebody owes you, the more power he has over you. The power is with the lender, not the creditor. And the ammount of credits leased away by Germany without any real securities, can turn me desperate. And furious. I so very much hope we just would write off the credits we gave and count them as losses, whcih they will be anyway, and just follow your exmaple and turn away from the EU and especially the Euro. Better an end with shock, than terror without end.


So, after these almost three years, my sympathies still are with Britain in all this Brexit daily soap.

[Jimbuna]

We'll weather the storm Sky, at a cost I admit but hopefully the future will be bright.

It is not the Germans I am most weary of but this wee fellow below.

https://i.postimg.cc/K8BL6gMc/eWDecdN.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

:03:

[STEED]

I see at long last Bojo has sent the EU a letter on the backstop saying it must go and the EU saying no it will not but....

Seems to suggest the ball is back in Bojo's court to come up with something. So far not a jot from Bojo, time is running out.

[STEED]

Jihadi Jack ban from returning to the UK has said he will not live in a country govern by Bojo....:haha:

Well that has shut up the bleeding heart liberals saying he should be allowed back. :har:

[Jimbuna]

Pistols at dawn.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I see at long last Bojo has sent the EU a letter on the backstop saying it must go and the EU saying no it will not but....

Seems to suggest the ball is back in Bojo's court to come up with something. So far not a jot from Bojo, time is running out.We have heard a lot of 'remove backstop' from BoJo and his fellas. Now could we hear what would be the alternative?


No?


Wonder why... :nope:

[Jimbuna]

We have heard a lot of 'remove backstop' from BoJo and his fellas. Now could we hear what would be the alternative?


No?


Wonder why... :nope:

Thus far nobody has been able to suggest what alternatives there could be other than commenting 'alternative arrangements' whatever that is supposed to mean.

[Jimbuna]

British ministers and officials will boycott most European Union meetings from September 1, the Government announced today.

They will use the “incredible amount of time” saved to focus on future relationship with the EU and other countries – including trade deals.

Ministers will only attend big summits and those covering essential interests like security. The rest will be ignored, sending a clear message that Britain is serious about quitting at the end of October.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-news-latest-government-says-ministers-will-boycott-most-eu-meetings-from-september-1/ar-AAG42GM?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

First service https://i.postimg.cc/nr146kGB/icon-tennis.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[STEED]

Money money we have less money but Bojo will save us planting more money trees.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49418751

And HS2 is also looking bleak.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49420332

Is the ground Bojo walking on showing cracks now. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson will meet German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin later, where he is expected to reiterate his call for the Irish border backstop plan to be scrapped.

The PM has said the arrangement to avoid a hard border after Brexit is "anti-democratic" and must be removed to secure a deal.

But the EU has rejected the possibility of any changes to the backstop.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49416475

Whilst I believe Merkel will be a little bit more sympathetic than Macron I still don't see any concessions resulting from this visit.

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson is to meet Emmanuel Macron shortly, hours after the French president insisted reopening Brexit negotiations was "not an option".

Mr Macron said: "We have to help the British deal with this internal democratic crisis but we mustn't be hostage to it nor export it."

On Wednesday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the onus was on the UK to find a workable plan.

Mr Johnson said a deal could be achieved with "sufficient patience".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427007

I thought Merkel was refreshingly pragmatic at yesterdays meeting.

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson’s Britain could become a ‘vassal’ of Donald Trump’s America after a no-deal Brexit, French president Emmanuel Macron has warned.

Ahead of their meeting in Paris, Macron appeared to taunt the prime minister by suggesting Johnson’s much-sought after UK-US trade deal would nowhere near make up for the loss of trade with the EU.

The warning that the UK would become an offshoot of the United States was a direct jibe at Brexiteers including the PM, who have often claimed that Theresa May’s Brexit deal would turn the UK into a ‘vassal state’ of Brussels.

In an explosive set of remarks hours before the meeting at the Elysee Palace, Macron also seemed to goad British MPs into stopping Brexit in coming weeks, stating that it could be stopped ‘up to the last second’ before the planned departure date of October 31.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/macron-taunts-johnson-uk-could-become-vassal-of-trumps-us-after-no-deal-brexit/ar-AAGaieI?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Not so much this man and this coming from him only a few hours before the meeting is about to take place :nope:

I think it would be wise for Boris to put on a yellow vest and frighten the bugga into submission :)

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Not so much this man and this coming from him only a few hours before the meeting is about to take place :nope:

I think it would be wise for Boris to put on a yellow vest and frighten the bugga into submission :)Absolutely undiplomatic comments at inappropriate time. However its always nice to hear when someone in such position gives BoJo his own medicine. :)

[Jimbuna]

Absolutely undiplomatic comments at inappropriate time. However its always nice to hear when someone in such position gives BoJo his own medicine. :)

On the contrary it would appear.

During the meeting Macron was more conciliatory in his tone than many expected.

The handshake between the PM and the president was warm and long-lasting. But it was the words which mattered.

President Macron said that, while he had been portrayed as the "hard boy" of the EU, he was simply being clear about where he stood.

He described the backstop both as an "indispensable guarantee" of "stability in Ireland" and the means of protecting the integrity of the European single market.

But the expectation that he'd refuse point-blank to renegotiate the Brexit deal didn't materialise.

Instead, he simply warned that any withdrawal agreement that the two sides might reach in the next month wouldn't be very different from the existing one. And he asked for more "visibility" from the UK on its alternative proposals.

It would seem that both Mr Macron and Angela Merkel are determined not to shut the door entirely in Boris Johnson's face, and perhaps equally determined not to be blamed for no deal.

Speaking after he greeted Mr Johnson at Paris's Elysee Palace, Mr Macron said he was "very much confident" that the UK and EU would be able to find a solution within 30 days - a timetable suggested by Mrs Merkel - "if there is a good will on both sides".

He said it would not be possible to find a new withdrawal agreement "very different from the existing one" within that time, but added that an answer could be reached "without reshuffling" the current deal.

He also denied that he was the "hard boy in the band", following suggestions that he would be tougher on the UK than his German counterpart.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427007

[STEED]

So bojo what is the replacement to the backstop? Magic mushrooms.....:|\\

[STEED]

Bojo gets a left hook and a good punch.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49432821

If these politicians lie then yes they should be called out as liars. I would go further and get them locked up if I had my way.

[STEED]

In my case I will not pay their rip off prices, brexit concerns are well behind the shocking prices for stuff these days.

https://news.sky.com/story/british-retail-sales-crash-in-august-as-no-deal-brexit-fears-mount-11791278

[Jimbuna]

Bojo gets a left hook and a good punch.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49432821

If these politicians lie then yes they should be called out as liars. I would go further and get them locked up if I had my way.

Boris is little or no different to most politicians, even the ones I have personally known over the years.

[Jimbuna]

In my case I will not pay their rip off prices, brexit concerns are well behind the shocking prices for stuff these days.

https://news.sky.com/story/british-retail-sales-crash-in-august-as-no-deal-brexit-fears-mount-11791278

Project Fear in full swing.

What next! Mike Ashley blaming his failing business empire not on his disgraceful operational methods but on Brexit?

[Jimbuna]

European Council President Donald Tusk has said the EU is "willing to listen" to Prime Minister Boris Johnson's ideas for Brexit if they are "realistic".

Speaking at a press conference at the G7 summit in Biarritz, France, Mr Tusk said he would "not cooperate on no deal".

Mr Tusk and Mr Johnson are due to meet on Sunday to discuss Brexit.

Since becoming prime minister, Mr Johnson has insisted the UK will leave the EU on 31 October.

Mr Tusk said Mr Johnson is the third British prime minister he will have met since the UK voted to leave the EU in June 2016.

He said: "The EU has always been open to cooperation. One thing I will not cooperate on is a no deal.

"We are willing to listen to ideas that are operational, realistic and acceptable to all EU member states.

"I still hope Prime Minister Johnson will not like to go down in history as Mr No Deal." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49458293

Come on Boris, now is the time to put up or shut up.

[STEED]

Come on Boris, now is the time to put up or shut up.

He has no answer that was clear when he went to Germany/France. He is trying to blame them for the crash out that is on its way.

[Jimbuna]

Either way all will become apparent in another thirty odd days.

[STEED]

The game of bluff is going to end or is it......:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Come 31st October all will be revealed.

[mapuc]

Have a question about your politicians and their promises they tell you.

A couple years back one of your parties-The Tories(if I remember correctly) had absolutely majority in the Parliament.

What I wonder-Did they fulfill all of their promises, most of them or some of them. Promises they had given you before the election.

The reason is here in Denmark the politician use as an excuse.

"We did not get the majority, so our promises could not be fulfilled"(or similar words)

Markus

[Jimbuna]

I doubt any political party has delivered on pre-election promises Markus.

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson has asked the attorney general, Geoffrey Cox, whether parliament can be shut down for five weeks from 9 September in what appears to be a concerted plan to stop MPs forcing a further extension to Brexit, according to leaked government correspondence.

An email from senior government advisers to an adviser in No 10 – written within the last 10 days and seen by the Observer – makes clear that the prime minister has recently requested guidance on the legality of such a move, known as prorogation. The initial legal guidance given in the email is that shutting parliament may well be possible, unless action being taken in the courts to block such a move by anti-Brexit campaigners succeeds in the meantime.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/boris-johnson-seeks-legal-advice-on-five-week-parliament-closure-ahead-of-brexit/ar-AAGhjcl?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

I really do hope he is not seriously contemplating this.

I'd rather he took his chances in a general election.

[STEED]

I doubt any political party has delivered on pre-election promises Markus.

All they do is lie lie and lie again, as the old saying goes keep on telling lies and the lies will sound like the truth.

Every political party in this country is a bloody disgrace, some are more disgraceful than others.

[mapuc]

Heard on the news yesterday, Boris is investigating possibility to shot down the Parliament for X-weeks starting on Sept 9th.

I have no clue about the English law surrounding the Parliament and the election rules.

Can a Prime minister do that in England ?

And what will be response from the Parliament ?

I also heard that some(didn't catch the name)would take it to high court, if this step was taken.

My thoughts
Poor Jim, STEED and other British/English member.

Edit: Found an English article on this topic.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/24/johnson-seeks-legal-advice-parliament-closure

End of Edit

Markus

[Aktungbby]

KevinMcCabe!:Kaleun_Salute:

[STEED]

Bojo can not get it right now its pork pies.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49470831



Bojo Vs BBC, place your bets on the BBC winning beause Bojo is so weak. I agree with him but he is not going to win this one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49469337

[STEED]

Heard on the news yesterday, Boris is investigating possibility to shot down the Parliament for X-weeks starting on Sept 9th.

I have no clue about the English law surrounding the Parliament and the election rules.

Can a Prime minister do that in England ?

And what will be response from the Parliament ?

I also heard that some(didn't catch the name)would take it to high court, if this step was taken.

My thoughts
Poor Jim, STEED and other British/English member.

Edit: Found an English article on this topic.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/24/johnson-seeks-legal-advice-parliament-closure

End of Edit

Markus

The whole issue is a mess its hard to tell what is put out is the truth and what is miss direction. We will know the outcome in October.

[Jimbuna]

Jeremy Corbyn risks jeopardising a vote of no confidence in the government by insisting he becomes caretaker PM, Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49468218

Agreed :yep:

[Jimbuna]

President Trump has promised a "very big trade deal" with the UK, saying its departure from the EU will be like losing "an anchor round the ankle".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49462613

Sometimes, just sometimes, he comes out with crcking one-liners :)

[STEED]

Agreed :yep:

Dam strait that thing can not wait to give money away to terrorists. That thing and that mob have destroyed the Labour party.

[Deepseadiver]

Sometimes, just sometimes, he comes out with crcking one-liners :)
Yes then he can sink us.

[Jimbuna]

Jeremy Corbyn is meeting other opposition party leaders to discuss ways of averting a no-deal Brexit.

The Labour leader has outlined a plan to become caretaker PM after defeating the government in a no-confidence vote.

Tory Party chairman James Cleverly said Mr Corbyn was offering "chaos, delay and uncertainty".

The SNP, Liberal Democrats, Change UK, Plaid Cymru and Green Party have all accepted the invitation to meet Mr Corbyn and discuss his proposals.

The Labour leader also invited five Conservative MPs opposed to a no-deal exit, but none has said they will be attending.

Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage criticised those attending, saying they were "very out of touch with public opinion" and leaving the EU without an agreement was now "the only acceptable deal".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49476705

Soooo, Steptoe starts the ball rolling. If I were Boris I'd give all those of a treasonous nature a few days to crawl out from under their rocks to allow the public clear identification then call a snap election.

I've a feeling this would be the most entertaining election during my lifetime.

[STEED]

Watching SKY News and Nigel is back getting ready for the general election, sounds very much he has no faith or trusts Bojo to deliver brexit.

[Skybird]

Watching SKY News and Nigel is back getting ready for the general election, sounds very much he has no faith or trusts Bojo to deliver brexit.
... or he just has too much time at his hands. Anyhow, its no bad idea to keep pressure on Johnson a bit, just to prevent him from getting tired one meter before the finishing line.

[STEED]

Soooo, Steptoe starts the ball rolling. If I were Boris I'd give all those of a treasonous nature a few days to crawl out from under their rocks to allow the public clear identification then call a snap election.

I've a feeling this would be the most entertaining election during my lifetime.

Bojo could loose that one MP listening on the radio last night one tory has had it with bojo and is thinking of leaving. We shall see how serious he is in the coming days and weeks.

That nameless one lusts for power and will do what it takes to get power.

[Jimbuna]

Latest UK general election opinion polls: Conservative lead creeps up as Labour drifts down.

[Jimbuna]

... or he just has too much time at his hands. Anyhow, its no bad idea to keep pressure on Johnson a bit, just to prevent him from getting tired one meter before the finishing line.

We have interesting months of September and October ahead of us.

[STEED]

We have interesting months of September and October ahead of us.

As Aliens land in London and wipe out our politicians and declare they have saved us the voter from all that rubbish that could have got in the way of our lives. Three cheers for our new alien masters. :D

Hey we can hope you know. :03: :)

[Jimbuna]

?????? :doh:

[STEED]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49450297

I could have told you that H2O was over budget when it was still a pipe dream. These things always go over budget. :03:

[STEED]

?????? :doh:

I'm in a good mood jim. :)

Jim reads the above......:o

[Jimbuna]

Brexit: Is EU softening over Withdrawal Agreement?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49475117

I doubt it, they are trying to take the initiative in the blame game that would inevitably follow a no-deal Brexit by wanting to appear open.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I doubt it, they are trying to take the initiative in the blame game that would inevitably follow a no-deal Brexit by wanting to appear open.Agreed and BoJo is actually playing quite nicely into this. As long as he fails to cough up his alternative arragements, the EU has easy time pointing to him. This pointing game becomes much more difficult, if BoJo puts his solutions into table and the EU has to refute them. Except of course if BoJo only shows them week or so before deadline - then its all "not enough time with extension to Brexit" stuff.

[Jimbuna]

Agreed and BoJo is actually playing quite nicely into this. As long as he fails to cough up his alternative arragements, the EU has easy time pointing to him. This pointing game becomes much more difficult, if BoJo puts his solutions into table and the EU has to refute them. Except of course if BoJo only shows them week or so before deadline - then its all "not enough time with extension to Brexit" stuff.

Yes, the game of 'chicken' is well underway.

[Jimbuna]

Opposition MPs say they have agreed to try to block a no-deal Brexit by passing legislation in Parliament.

A meeting between those opposed to no deal was called by Jeremy Corbyn.

A joint statement afterwards did not detail how or when legislative attempts would be made, but Green MP Caroline Lucas said it was the best way to stop a PM "careering towards" no deal.

The statement also made clear using a vote of no confidence to bring down the government remained an option.

The UK is set to leave the EU by 31 October and Boris Johnson has promised to stick to that date even if he cannot agree a deal with Brussels.

Ms Lucas said "the legislative way forward" was "the most secure way to try to extend Article 50, to get rid of that 31 October deadline".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49483374

Looks like the alternative reality games have commenced as well.

[Jimbuna]

A no-deal Brexit is now "the only acceptable deal", says Nigel Farage.

The Brexit Party leader said his party would fight in every seat at a general election if the government tried to pass the existing withdrawal agreement.

But he said if Boris Johnson "summoned the courage" to pursue a no deal, The Brexit Party would work with him.

He added: "A Johnson government committed to doing the right thing and The Brexit Party working in tandem would be unstoppable."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49482032

The insistence on only a no-deal could well be a step too far for even some of his supporters.

[STEED]

Former clerk of HoC rung in to LBC the remainers could stop leaving on Oct 31st and push the date up again. It now come's down to the speaker of the house to light the fuse. I don't want a dropout I want a better agreement.

[STEED]

BREAKING NEWS

THE GOVERNMENT PLANS TO SUSPEND PARLIAMENT


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

This action has now stopped dead the remainer gang who clearly should have acted before parliament broke up for their summer break.

[Jimbuna]

The Queen will be asked by the government to suspend Parliament just days after MPs return to work in September - and only a few weeks before the Brexit deadline. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

Boris is the only one with the stupidity/backbone to do this.

[STEED]

Bojo has sealed his fate he is on course to crash the UK out because the journalist in him is ruling the waves.

[Jimbuna]

Only time will tell but my main concern currently is that this may well bring about civil disorder on our streets.

I was on the receiving end of the Brixton and Toxteth riots and believe you me, it was no picnic.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

What would happen, if Her Majesty refused to follow HM Government's advice? I would propably just instruct BoJo to "do your damn job!" rather than consent to this nonsense.

[Skybird]

The question to me is whether this is a sign of Johnson's strength - or weakness.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I was on the receiving end of the Brixton and Toxteth riots and believe you me, it was no picnic.Which one of them? According to the Wikipedia there have been four riots in Brixton: 1981, 1985, 1995 and 2011. Did you have opportunity to "enjoy" all of them or just one?

[Skybird]

Toxteth was 1981, and Jim was still younger and juicy back then. Riot police does not send the oldest horses to the streets, but the young panthers.

[Jimbuna]

What would happen, if Her Majesty refused to follow HM Government's advice? I would propably just instruct BoJo to "do your damn job!" rather than consent to this nonsense.

That is the million dollar question.

[Jimbuna]

Which one of them? According to the Wikipedia there have been four riots in Brixton: 1981, 1985, 1995 and 2011. Did you have opportunity to "enjoy" all of them or just one?

Two actually (1981). IIRC Brixton was March/April and no sooner had the reinforcements been returned to their usual Force area then Toxteth flared up in June/july (a copycat IMHO).

Toxteth was 1981, and Jim was still younger and juicy back then. Riot police does not send the oldest horses to the streets, but the young panthers.

Correctamundo, in those days I could comfortably hold a six foot riot shield and carbon baton :)

[STEED]

In those days the police were real police and took no stick from these wet behind the ears bleeding heart liberals that have destroyed our once great police force.

Jim...:salute:


Back on the big news today I am not buying that guff about the queen's speech bit that is so lame of an excuse by bojo.

[Jimbuna]

A group of parliamentarians has asked Scotland's top civil court to block Boris Johnson's bid to suspend parliament next month.

The 75 pro-Remain politicians launched their legal bid at the Court of Session in Edinburgh last month.

A judge is due to hear the case 6 September - but the group is now seeking to speed up the legal process.

The legal challenge to the move was launched in the Scottish courts last month, and is being headed by SNP MP Joanna Cherry and Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, aided by Jo Maugham of the Good Law Project.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49496517

This is getting silier by the hour. A Scottish court is being asked to make a decision on something the English courts have yet to potentially give a ruling on.

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson has asked the Queen to suspend parliament from the middle of next month, which will restrict MPs' ability to block a no-deal Brexit.

Under the government's plan, which has prompted a furious political row, parliament will be prorogued from the week beginning 9 September until 14 October.

This is the date on which a new Queen's Speech - detailing the legislative agenda of Mr Johnson's administration - will be held.

However, House of Commons Speaker John Bercow claimed it was "blindingly obvious that the purpose of prorogation now would be to stop parliament debating Brexit and performing its duty in shaping a course for the country".

He called it a "constitutional outrage". https://news.sky.com/story/pm-boris-johnson-plans-to-ask-queen-to-suspend-parliament-from-mid-september-11795978

Boris is certainly determined to "Do or die"

[Jimbuna]

Corbyn asks to meet Queen over PM's 'smash and grab' plan to suspend parliament https://news.sky.com/story/parliament-suspension-pm-behaving-like-tin-pot-dictator-11795990

If you're going to allow the bin dipper an audience ma'am I'd suggest you lock away the family silver first.

https://i.postimg.cc/J0LXcfXH/f1f0e39a4453ea77e45cc330fe332a1e.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

The Queen has given her consent to Boris request for the prorogation of Parliament and in all fairness to her she had very little wriggle room to make any kind of political decision because.....the Queen acts on the advice of her prime minister.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

The Queen has given her consent to Boris request for the prorogation of Parliament and in all fairness to her she had very little wriggle room to make any kind of political decision because.....the Queen acts on the advice of her prime minister.No surprise and understandable. However these kind of situations raise one important question: if the Queen does not have power to scrutinize morally or legally questionable advice, then why such position should exist? I'm not saying, that Her Majesty should be granted power to completely overrule HM Government, but power to subject such questionalble advice to parliamentary vote, would be sensible in my opinion.

[mapuc]

After have following your comments in this thread and by following the news in Denmark, Sweden and a little in German

I understand why B.J. Toke this step.

Furthermore The Parliament shouldn't pointing fingers at B.J. and accuse him for...(forgot the word) ´cause the way they have acted or lack of acting in the Brexit, show that they(the parliament) have the biggest fault.

The British people voted for a Brexit-Please respect this.

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