UK Politics Thread

[em2nought]

Holy crap! :o

[STEED]

Holy crap! :o

Never underestimate jim's crystal ball.

[Jimbuna]

Never underestimate jim's crystal ball.

http://i.imgur.com/8UbO1xz.gif

[Betonov]

Never underestimate jim's crystal ball.

His head after a shower :haha:

[Jimbuna]

His head after a shower :haha:

Cheeky bugga http://i.imgur.com/v1jP87S.gif

[MGR1]

-----------SNIP-------------

"I will build a great wall on our northern border, and I will make the Brigantes pay for that wall, mark my words!"

It's funny how whenever the possibility of an independant Scotland comes up, the first thing English people mention is rebuilding Hadrians Wall.:hmmm:

Such talk, even in jest, generally elicits a groan and roll eyes reaction up here.

http://countryballs.net/_nw/0/14708013.png

History does show that Hadrians Wall wasn't really all that effective at keeping the Picts out of Britannia....

Mike.:O:

[STEED]

Tories are anti Muslims, Labour anti Jews, all we need is the Liberal Democrats to be anti black and that should see the end of the BNP. :03:

Wow not a dull moment in British politics.


This sarcastic post was bought to you by Big Red the only Red that is true Red. :03:

[Jimbuna]

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn to address Progress conference.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36287322

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is to address the annual conference of Blairite group Progress on Saturday.

Speaking in January, after several resignations from the Labour front bench, Mr McDonnell said: "They do all come from a narrow right wing clique within the Labour Party, based around the organisation Progress largely. I don't think they've ever accepted Jeremy's mandate really."

No, I don't suppose they have.

[BossMark]

What will happen if toff boys loses\\wins the EU referendum
1.The best case scenario toff boy loses and a vote of no confidence is called over the Tory government.
2. Toff boy loses he resigns and Boris Johnson wins the Tory leadership (god help us)
3. Toff boy wins and we stay in the EU.

[STEED]

3. Toff boy wins and we stay in the EU and he has many kinky affairs with pigs.

There you go. :smug: :shifty: :03: :haha:

[Jimbuna]

3. Toff boy wins and we stay in the EU.

I am beginning to suspect this is how it will eventually end up.

[Jimbuna]

Queens Speech is just about due and I should imagine STEED is sitting in front of the tv waiting anxiously to see and hear what his mate Dave has written for Her Majesty to announce :smug:

http://i.imgur.com/5ifYSX9.gif

[STEED]

http://home.bt.com/images/g7-believes-brexit-would-be-threat-to-economic-growth-says-david-cameron-136406416699703901-160525132009.jpg

This picture of ToffBoy tells you all you need to know about him.

[STEED]

https://memecrunch.com/meme/BFSZH/listen-up-people-cameron-is-out-of-control-fire-phasers/image.jpg?w=586&c=1

Is ToffBoy OD'ing on EU drugs?

[Fubar2Niner]

Jimbuna: A little too graphic.

[STEED]

https://memecrunch.com/meme/BFT50/the-above-post/image.gif?w=500&c=1

[Jimbuna]

http://i.imgur.com/NQJlWUD.jpg

[STEED]

I'm not Fubar2Niner because I don't live in London or have a dog. :know: :smug: :03: :haha:

[Jimbuna]

You be a sarfener and have a bad back/bark.

It would appear the cap fits :smug: :)

[STEED]

You be a sarfener and have a bad back/bark.

It would appear the cap fits :smug: :)

Fubar not a flat cap man. :haha:

[STEED]

It would be a "very dangerous experiment" for the UK to give Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn power, Tony Blair has told the BBC's This Week's World.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36401105

No idea what he said because the BBC lives in the malware age using Flash. Well Labour did not loose a shed load of councils and seats at the local elections which gives Corbyn firmer ground to stand on.

I hear when the Chilcot's report comes out Blair will not be painted in a good light.

[Jimbuna]

Anyone disliking the Tories must partially blame Corbyn for the fact it is highly probable they will be under Tory rule for quite some considerable time in the future.

[Fubar2Niner]

You be a sarfener and have a bad back/bark.

It would appear the cap fits :smug: :)

Fubar not a flat cap man. :haha:


WOOF !!

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll293/fubar2niner/20160529_115201_zpsxvh6buc8.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/fubar2niner/media/20160529_115201_zpsxvh6buc8.jpg.html)

[Jimbuna]

http://i.imgur.com/6TkIM47.jpg

[STEED]

:har: :up:

[Catfish]

Taxes! :wah:
We still have taxes on William II'nds f'n fleet, a champagne tax that has never been taken back.
Then there is that tax introduced to pay the air lift to Berlin back then, guess what happened when the airlift was done. Right, we still pay for it, via fuel tax.
Also lots of rules and laws under the Hitler regime, never been taken back, or changed. From the "Meister" (master craftsman) enforcement to the chimney sweeping enforcement, to a lot of real nice measures regarding immigration, or emigration taxes, thouight out for the jews. Some AfD followers should really shut up, here :/\\!!
No wonder, lots of nazis remained in their position, after WW2 :dead:

[Jimbuna]

You'd probably be better off in the EU.

Oh, I forgot, you're paying for that as well :)

[Oberon]

Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen has been injured in a shooting and stabbing incident in Birstall, West Yorkshire.

[Dowly]

Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen has been injured in a shooting and stabbing incident in Birstall, West Yorkshire.

Sadly, she has died.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304

[Oberon]

Sadly, she has died.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304

Just saw that, very tragic indeed. :nope:

EDIT: It is too early to be sure, but there are reports and rumours that the man who has been identified by locals as her murderer had right wing ideological leanings. When you link that to her position as being co-founder of the 'Remain' campaign, it makes for some alarming potential conclusions. But, again, too early to be sure, however that seems to be what the chatter is currently putting out.

[Oberon]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClFhmLoXIAAE3Xl.jpg:large

https://www.penguin.co.uk/content/dam/catalogue/pim/editions/277/9780718183813/cover.jpg.rendition.460.707.png

[STEED]

The BNP are history and his words were stupid.

[BossMark]

RIP Jo Cox MP for Batley and Spen
https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/profile-labour-mp-jo-cox-11364068289215

[Jimbuna]

The BNP are history and his words were stupid.

Agreed, now is certainly not the time.

[STEED]

Labour Wins Decisively In Tooting By-Election
Rosena Allin-Khan doubles the majority of her predecessor Sadiq Khan in a by-election overshadowed by the killing of Jo Cox MP.

http://news.sky.com/story/1713172/labour-wins-decisively-in-tooting-by-election

No real surprise but its interesting to note Labour has doubled their majority.

[STEED]

You are doing yourself no good by making comments like that.

[Oberon]

Oh come on, even Hitler had the decency to stop eventually. :/\\!!

[Jimbuna]

Labour MPs pass no-confidence motion in Jeremy Corbyn 172-40 and still he refuses to go.

Not the best time with Brexit going on but it currently looks like Labour are in an even bigger mess than the Conservatives.

The 172-40 vote, which is not binding, follows resignations from the shadow cabinet and calls on Mr Corbyn to quit.
Mr Corbyn said the ballot had "no constitutional legitimacy" and said he would not "betray" the members who voted for him by resigning.
The leader's allies have told his critics to trigger a formal leadership contest if they want to challenge him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458

[Oberon]

Well, there goes Labours chance in any General Election, should it happen.

At this rate maybe we'll wind up with a Lib Dem majority government? :har:

[Jimbuna]

Currently watching PMQ's and most entertaining I must say, best for a good while.

Prime Minister David Cameron has told Jeremy Corbyn to resign as Labour leader, claiming it is not in the national interest for him to continue, telling him: "For heaven's sake man, go."

[MGR1]

Labour is pretty much dead as they're now completely disconnected from the broader support they once had.

I'd imagine what's been termed "Red UKIP" by the pundits will take over their turf in England and Wales in the same way the SNP has in Scotland.

Bit of an irony that the major "Pan-UK" political party effectively destroyed itself by implementing devolution in the way it did.

Mike.

[Oberon]

Labour is dead in the water, no doubt about that, and the Tories have just exploded.

So...Lib Dem PM? :har:

Got to hand it to the Tories, no-one backstabs quite like they do, I mean Labour just descends into a shambles, but the Tories...

https://youtu.be/u6-NHK-GzwU?t=165

So...looks like Theresa May might have the upper hand right now, that's got to please the UK police force. :dead:

[STEED]

Hi All, back from my first short break and just caught up on the news about the Cons/Lab fallout. And first up I hear Boris is not standing, I knew it. :)

I will be picking up my £20 winnings from a friend who is a Tory supporter and he said Boris would stand and and win and I said he would not.



Boris Johnson rules himself out of Conservative leader race
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36672591

[STEED]

Moving on to Labour and what a right hole they are in. Most of the party against old JC while most members support JC, if this pans out like this if there is a leadership challenge then JC will win again. Looks like the anti JC lobby will have to breakaway and form a new party or defect and join the LibDems. :hmmm:

[Oberon]

Looks like the anti JC lobby will have to breakaway and form a new party or defect and join the LibDems. :hmmm:

Could old Jim be about to sign up for the Lib Dems! :haha:

At this rate it's either them or ther SNP!

[STEED]

Just to add I think Gove and May will be the final two selection for the Tory leadership.

[Oberon]

The police butcher (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9270791/Theresa-May-barracked-by-Police-Federation-as-she-defends-reforms.html) and Pob (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pob%27s_Programme).

We're so boned.

[MGR1]

Just to add I think Gove and May will be the final two selection for the Tory leadership.

Gove - a Scot.

May - a woman.

Great choice, or not, depending on your point of view.

Mike.:hmmm:

[Oberon]

Looks like Corbyn is on the very edge of his fingernails, and Labour digs its hole deeper as one of its Jewish members is accused of being a member of a right wing media plot at the launch of the anti-semitism inquiry. :/\\!!
Eagles bid for leadership has been temporarily halted, she's waiting to see if Corbyn does resign.

[Rockstar]

well thats one way to get the muslim vote.

[Jimbuna]

Could old Jim be about to sign up for the Lib Dems! :haha:

At this rate it's either them or ther SNP!

I hope it doesn't come to the forming of a new party because that will only water down the possibility of an election victory against the Tories even further.

[MGR1]

well thats one way to get the muslim vote.

The majority of Muslims in the UK vote Labour, if they vote for any of the mainstream parties at all. Though I'd guess there's a generational divide at play in those communities which stops things from being nice and neat as to who they vote for. I highly doubt that they vote Conservative any large number, anyway.:hmmm:

As for events within Scotland, since we're still part of the UK at the moment:

First Ministers Questions: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36668919).

As I wrote in the Brexit thread, scoredraw; Tories and SNP knock lumps out of each other. Scottish Labour, Lib Dems and Greens side with SNP for some Tory bashing.

Scottish Secretary "Fluffy" Mundell backs May for Tory leadership: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36666618).

Holyrood's European and External Affairs Committee hears evidence from four experts on the possible options for Scotland in Europe: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36673126).

Unsurprisingly, independence is only way for Scotland to be part of the EU.

I don't think anyone needed a panel of experts to figure that one out!:doh:

Slightly late, but Scottish Labour Leader Kezia Dugdale states the obvious - "It would be difficult for Corbyn to continue": LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36650652).

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Looks like Corbyn is on the very edge of his fingernails, and Labour digs its hole deeper as one of its Jewish members is accused of being a member of a right wing media plot at the launch of the anti-semitism inquiry. :/\\!!
Eagles bid for leadership has been temporarily halted, she's waiting to see if Corbyn does resign.

I hope he will but I currently doubt it.

There are reports of a surge of new Labour Party members (somewhere in the region of 15,000) but who are they joining to support?

[MGR1]

Good one from Andrew Neil on Twitter:

"I will run for leader of Tory and Labour parties. Danaerys Targaryen agreed to be running mate. Good for female vote + keeps dragons onside." (https://twitter.com/afneil/status/748480098513391616)

Mike.:haha:

[BossMark]

Thatcher (0r is it May:hmm2:) is the bookies new favourite to replace toffboy as next Tory leader

[STEED]

Now what shall I wear for my EU meeting I know the same colour as the flag.

https://img.rt.com/files/2016.06/original/5773f6f6c461881b488b45d9.jpg

Talk about sucking up. :haha:

[STEED]

A little change as I downgrade to my council, old STEED getting another wheely bin a Brown one and more on the way! :huh:

Where am I going to put them? I am already tripping over two wheely bins and four plastic boxes!

Are you getting a hit as well?

[Oberon]

A little change as I downgrade to my council, old STEED getting another wheely bin a Brown one and more on the way! :huh:

Where am I going to put them? I am already tripping over two wheely bins and four plastic boxes!

Are you getting a hit as well?

We've had brown bins for years here, blue, grey and brown...I think there was a box for newspapers but no-one ever uses them. :hmmm:

[Catfish]

...I think there was a box for newspapers but no-one ever uses them. :hmmm:

You should, it must be for the "Sun".

[Oberon]

You should, it must be for the "Sun".

Would explain the weather if people keep putting it in there. :hmmm:

[Catfish]

Would explain the weather if people keep putting it in there. :hmmm:

I guess the Sun turns into a black hole, if you let it lie around for more than a day :hmm2:

[STEED]

OK I went to my council website site and worked it out, I think. :)

My Black size small wheely bin for household rubbish for dumping will change to this new brown size small one. So far that's all right by me but a question comes up, some of my neighbours have XL wheely bins and they pack them to the hilt. :hmmm:

I will be getting a XL Black wheely bin for plastics cans foil and glass which will do away with three of my plastic boxes and no change on the paper and card apart from I will keep one of the redundant boxes as spare as time to time the main one gets rather full.

And now food and garden wast will continual to go in to my Green wheely bin but I will be getting a small and medium box for inside with handles. Now the fun part, food wast will go into the small one and when its full transfer to the medium one in turn when full empty that one outside in the wheely bin.

Stand by more to come!

More boxes for a new collection! One box for small electrical items like batterers and the other for small linen.


Now I got you all :doh: or :haha: have a nice evening. :)

PS: I'm now checking delivery bin dates and change to my collection days. But first a hot steaming mug of coffee.

[MGR1]

Good grief, that sounds way more complex than what we have up here in Aberdeen. We have the following on a two week cycle:

One black large wheely bin for household waste which is collected on Wednesday of the first week.

One brown large wheely bin which is collected on the Tuesday of the second week and;

One black box and one bag for the bottle/can/plastic and paper collections respectively. They are collected on the Thursday of the second week.

The days are specific to the area of Aberdeen where I live, other locations have theirs on other days.

For the electrical, paint, builders waste and anything else you want to get rid of, Aberdeen City Council has a large recycling points in various areas of the city.

All very organised, which for the Aberdeen City Mafia is quite surprising!

Mike.:03:

[STEED]

All very organised, which for the Aberdeen City Mafia is quite surprising!

Mike.:03:

:o

:)

[MGR1]

Yeah, it's not actually that bad, no worse than any other local authority!

Mike.

[wolfman Ben]

Well you know what they say...."We are all in it together" :DL Brixet is happening

[Jimbuna]

So Gove has played the part of Judas and stabbed his mate in the back :hmmm:

Game Of Thrones Part Deux:

Michael Gove has said he chose to run for the Conservative Party leadership after deciding "reluctantly but firmly" that Boris Johnson was not capable of uniting the party or the country.
"It had to fall to someone else... I felt it had to fall to me," he said.
The justice secretary was set to back his fellow Leave campaigner. Mr Johnson pulled out after Mr Gove's switch.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36677028

[STEED]

It may not be the case Jim, Boris is great at outsourcing all the work while he takes all the credit for it. Gove is light weight and no real threat to Boris, there is a point maybe Boris has got his sights on further down the road for power giving him time to iron out his act and less outsourcing to others in around eight to ten years time.

[Oberon]

Game Of Thrones Part Deux

It's a fine day for a Blue Wedding:

http://i.imgur.com/LWK6EHu.jpg

[Torplexed]

As much as some may have loathed Thatcher or Blair, they had one thing in common. They could at least march their respective parties in the same direction.

If politics is a game of thrones or a house of cards, America’s past year would be checkers to the U.K.’s three-dimensional chess match going on right now.

[MGR1]

A little pre politics background on Michael Gove:

He was born in Edinburgh and raised in Aberdeen by his adoptive parents. As far as I know, he's never had contact with his birth mother.

Despite being commited Labour voters, his parents paid to get him into Robert Gordon's College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gordon%27s_College), which at the time was the premier private school in Aberdeen (it's been overtaken by the Albyn School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albyn_School) lately). When his parents circumstances changed, he applied for and won a scholarship there.

After leaving school, he attended Oxford University where he studied English, receiving a 2:1.

After graduating he worked as a Journalist with Aberdeen Journals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_Journals). During this period he manned the picket lines during the groups dispute (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/459858.stm) with journalists over Union recognition and representation in 1989-90. Although don't remember myself, the journalists lost their dispute. Badly. In 1995 he even starred in a Christopher Lee film called "A Feast at Midnight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Feast_at_Midnight)" where he played a school chaplain. In 1996 he joined The Times where he worked in various capacities as well as doing television work for the BBC, Scottish Television and Channel Four.

In 2005 he was elected Conservative member for Surrey Heath.

So, as far as I know, he's the only current Tory party Cabinet Minister to have manned a picket line. Even if he did lose!

Mike.

[STEED]

I'm off for another holiday so a few predictions I shall make..

JC will still be running Labour next Saturday next week. and I think Fox will be the first to be eliminated from the Tory leadership. And I think Leadsom could be a thorn in Gove's side.

[MGR1]

The Queen visited Scotland today to formally open the fifth session of the Scottish Parliament: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36689425).

"Stay calm and collected" peeps, her Majesty says so!

Brian Taylor's view: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36694116).

Mike.:)

[Jimbuna]

God Save The Queen :salute:

[STEED]

Just popped in on hearing Farage is going that should please Oberon. :)

Is this now the fall of UKIP? :hmmm:

The top three are falling and now UKIP could be joining, all eyes are on the Green Party to save the day. Oh hang on they too are having a change of leadership.


This was sent to me below.

https://memecrunch.com/meme/BH69E/why-don-t-all-these-british-political-partys/image.jpg?w=400&c=1

May have a point.

[Jimbuna]

I found this to be most entertaining :)

Clarke caught discussing Tory 'fiasco'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36718454

[Oberon]

Meanwhile in the Private Eye:

http://i.imgur.com/7R4nv7W.jpg?1

[STEED]

I'm off for another holiday so a few predictions I shall make..

JC will still be running Labour next Saturday next week. and I think Fox will be the first to be eliminated from the Tory leadership. And I think Leadsom could be a thorn in Gove's side.

Well I know its not Saturday but hey I was right about Fox getting the chop and Crab made the right move leaving the race. Leadsom clearly is a thorn in Goves side so will he make it or not we shall see latter tonight.

Gove's dirty campaign may get him into the final two.
Michael Gove ally's email to Tory MPs asking for votes to beat Leadsom
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-06/michael-goves-campaign-managers-email-to-tory-mps-asking-for-support/

Just to add yes JC will still be running Labour unless he is abducted by aliens. :shifty: :haha:

[STEED]

I found this to be most entertaining :)




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36718454

Knocking back some expensive wine helps. :)

[MGR1]

One from Kezia Dugdale, SLab leader:

Dugdale: UK must allow Scottish independence vote if people want it. (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/07/kezia-dugdale-scotland-independence-referendum-brexit-scottish-labour)

This seems to be part of a continuing process for Slab. Unless they become more pro-independence, or (very) soft on the Union they haven't a snowball's chance in hell of getting any of their former Clyde Valley heartland constituencies back.

Likewise, Ruth Davidson has also called for the UK Government to refrain from blocking any potential IndyRef:

Second Scottish independence referendum should not be blocked, according to Ruth Davidson. (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14595310.Second_Scottish_independence_referendum_s hould_not_be_blocked__according_to_Ruth_Davidson/)

Ruthie and the Scottish Conservatives also have a major headache. The result of the Brexit Referendum and the current state of the Tory Party has pulled the rug out from under them, massively undermining their Pro-UK position (from the Times):

In 1789, a young advocate called Thomas Muir made a fateful decision. At the height of the Dundas despotism, when Pitt’s man in Scotland held the nation in the grip of Tory hegemony, the young lawyer decided the weavers of East Dunbartonshire would benefit from a political education in Thomas Paine’s Rights of Man.
Up with this kind of “rabble rousing”, Scotland’s reactionary establishment would not put. Fearing a Jacobin hiding under every dockleaf, ready to take their property and their heads, they indicted Muir for sedition. Tried before the reliably garrulous Lord Braxfield, Muir was convicted and transported to Australia. Reflecting on this authoritarian spasm, Lord Cockburn observed that Scotland “had wonderfully few proper Jacobins” in the 1790s, despite official fever dreams about the sans-culottes of Leith and Lanarkshire on the march.
Contemplating the state of the Conservative Party, its ancient regime swept aside, knocked Cockburn’s wry quotation back into my mind. Like Saturn, the European referendum campaign is still devouring its own children. But less obviously, it has also gobbled up perhaps the last prime minister able to speak with credibility and feeling on the importance of the British Union. Whatever you made of his talents and his terrible choices, Mr Cameron was an authentic unionist with a warm — albeit rather patrician — feeling for this country.
The same cannot be said for any of his likely successors. With the exception of the wounded Michael Gove, the mark of Cain still shining on his forehead, none of the candidates to replace David Cameron has ever shown much affinity for Scottish sensibilities. This Tory leadership race, like the European campaign, seems animated by the altogether different question: “Who now speaks for England?” From some dusty wynd in Edinburgh, Lord Cockburn’s ghost whispers. There are marvellously few proper unionists in this Conservative government. In Andrea Leadsom and Theresa May, the brash English nationalist wing is in the ascendant.
You can understand, therefore, why Ruth Davidson has been a picture of woe since the result, veering erratically between depression and aggression, struggling to fit her tone to the times. Her “strong opposition” spins aimlessly. Her party’s 2016 manifesto thundered: “We will oppose any attempt by the SNP to hold a second referendum during this parliament, no matter the result of the EU referendum this June.” In the wake of the Brexit vote, Ms Davidson has modulated the tone. Or completely reversed gear. “Constitutionally, the UK government shouldn’t block” a second independence referendum, she said.
You might try to distinguish between “opposing” and “blocking” another poll, but such sly, lawyerly distinctions sit uneasily alongside Ms Davidson’s unmerited reputation as a plain-speaking political scrapper.
The dominant Remain caucus in Scottish Conservatism finds itself in a ghastly spot. Ms Davidson and her circle would surely be content for the UK to cut a deal which leaves the channels of free European trade open, in exchange for the free movement of persons. The snag? None of the contenders for prime minister can countenance any such deal.
Many Scottish Tories may privately share Professor Colin Kidd’s despairing reflection this week, on their predicament. “I have learnt from bitter experience as a Scottish unionist”, Professor Kidd wrote, “that the biggest problem we confronted was not the SNP’s dubious case for independence, but the words and needs of our supposed friends in England.” It will only get worse.
What becomes of Ms Davidson’s “blue-collar” Tories, when Prime Minister Leadsom launches her new vision for a new British prosperity, “liberating” the economy by sanctioning firms to unfairly dismiss their workers, to pay them less than the minimum wage, and dish out P45s to women with the temerity to fall pregnant while in post? What say Scotland’s “liberal Tories”, when Ms May stands outside Downing Street, and announces the next innovation in the flinty-eyed authoritarianism which has characterised her entire career in the Home Office? Is all this quietly to be borne? Is some heavy play of Scottish Tory distinctiveness to be made? And to what end?
For all of her shallow affability, Ms Davidson’s strategy thus far has been fundamentally unoriginal. It was Mr Gove who put the point perceptively in 2009. Reflecting on how Margaret Thatcher’s Scottish MPs positioned themselves during the 1980s, Mr Gove observed that “they presented themselves to Scottish media opinion as — essentially — Scotland’s protectors.”
As Mr Gove noted: “One of the consequences of that was people got the impression that somehow Margaret Thatcher and the ideas that she stood for were inimical to Scottish values — and therefore Scottish Conservativism could only survive by holding Thatcherism at bay, rather than by adapting Thatcherism to Scottish contours.”
Is Ms Davidson’s pitch, decades on, so radically different? Having cynically crucified Scottish Labour and the Liberals during the recent Holyrood campaign as plastic patriots, her party having pitched the Union — carelessly, irresponsibly — into peril, all she can now say is: “I know my Westminster colleagues are ghastly. Vote Tory.” This isn’t a winning line. No wonder Brexit has robbed Scottish Conservatism’s happy warrior of her joie de vivre. The European referendum is Ms Davidson’s albatross. The weight of it may yet drive her political career into the dirt.Mike.

[Oberon]

Looks like we're going to have Theresa May as PM then, so how long will it be before the snoopers charter makes a come back? :hmmm:

God help the police too. :doh:

[Jimbuna]

Whichever of the two are eventually successful they would be well advised not to try and emulate Maggie.

[Oberon]

Whichever of the two are eventually successful they would be well advised not to try and emulate Maggie.

There's a definite sub-group in the Tory party though that want the glory days of Maggie back, and they're pushing hard for it, and since Labour is still not exactly certain what it's doing, they could feasibly push quite hard and face only internal Tory resistance.

Theresa May is a concern though, particularly for those who are concerned with the privacy and freedom of the British individual, and indeed, for the police force who have suffered the most at her hands.
We might find ourselves wishing for Dodgy Dave to come back. :dead:

[STEED]

This Tory leader contest is rather interesting that is to say "May" has the backing of the party and in most part the general public but "Leadsom" is more popular with the party members and its them who will cast their vote on who shall win.

"May" as pointed out by Oberon has made mistakes but she has more experience. She was never rolled out in the referendum even so she was committed to the remain vote which would suggest she was not really pro EU. On saying that there is a point here, "May" is in no rush to bring about Article 50 and has suggested directly or in directly delaying it until next summer.

But here is the crunch point, lets say she has won the contest and if she delays after March 31st 2017 then the situation changes as Article 50 will need the backing of 14 EU States for the UK to leave. As said if she wins is she playing a game of poker for high stakes? :hmmm:

"Leadsom" A junior minister pro leave with moderate experience has nothing that I can see to loose for.

Dirty campaign ahead or will it be a straight fight we shall see.

[BossMark]

Whichever of the two are eventually successful they would be well advised not to try and emulate Maggie.
Well at least there's no pits for them to close, thatcher saw to that....

[STEED]

Looks like a clean contest is off as the cat claws come out..

Leadsom: Being A Mum Gives Me More Of A Stake
In highly personal remarks, the mother of three says she is sure the Home Secretary must be "really sad" not to have children.http://news.sky.com/story/leadsom-being-a-mum-gives-me-more-of-a-stake-10496432

[STEED]

Labour's Angela Eagle has said she will announce a bid for the party leadership on Monday morning.http://news.sky.com/story/eagle-to-challenge-corbyn-for-labour-leadership-10496779

Far too late in the day, my money is on old JC to stay put.

[Jimbuna]

http://news.sky.com/story/eagle-to-challenge-corbyn-for-labour-leadership-10496779

Far too late in the day, my money is on old JC to stay put.

Rgr that and an eventual split of the party....unless the unions withdraw their backing for JC.

[Moonlight]

What something or other is Angela Eagle going to bring to the table, oh yes I know, the same menu that has lost the Labour Party the last 2 elections and all its credibility as well. :down:

Its time something radical was brought to the table me thinks, all MP's supporting this Eagle bird should all resign and start a new political party. :yep:
We can have a mini general election then and she can morph the old New Labour Party manifesto into the New New Labour Party manifesto, :/\\!! what a bloody fiasco this is and these muppets think they have the intellect to run the country on our behalf, you won't be getting my vote you bloody morons. :hmph:

[MGR1]

I do feel a bit sorry for non-Conservative voters in England.

There isn't any party that ordinary working class voters can support. As in Scotland, Labour are a very bad joke. I can see UKIP probably trying to fill that gap by continuing to tap into the resentment the population feel about Europe, "the establishment", globalisation and the general lack of control that people feel about their lives.

In short, what the SNP have done in Scotland, though without the euroscepticism in their case. Or the general anti-foreigner nastiness that seems to occuring in parts of England. I guess it helps that we have our own Parliament, something that Blair and Co should have set up for England when devolution was first mooted. It may have limited powers compared to a genuine national government, but it at least it gives Scotland a voice that England doesn't have.

Mind you, it's backfired a bit as many Scots, particularly SNP supporters, now view Westminster in the same light that people in England view Brussels.

That last bit should be food for thought, methinks!

Mike.

[Oberon]

And some thoughts on Leadsom, with picks from her blog:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/07/9-reasons-you-should-be-truly-terrified-andrea-leadsom-becoming-prime-minister


Fun Fun Fun

[Bleiente]

Ihr Britten seid ja total im Arsch - habt keinerlei Reserven und habt ohne Flotte die große Schnauze und könnt nix. :rotfl2:
Habt Ihr noch nicht bemerkt, daß Deutschland die EU regiert... und somit Afrika und halb China. Man kann sich ja gerne weiter aufspielen. :D

[Oberon]

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/30711079.jpg

[Bleiente]

Huch... man sollte aber auch zielen können. :D

[STEED]

Ihr Britten seid ja total im Arsch - habt keinerlei Reserven und habt ohne Flotte die große Schnauze und könnt nix. :rotfl2:
Habt Ihr noch nicht bemerkt, daß Deutschland die EU regiert... und somit Afrika und halb China. Man kann sich ja gerne weiter aufspielen. :D

Translation fron here
http://www.worldlingo.com

Reads..

Their Britten are total in the ass - have no reserves and have without fleet the large lip and can nix.
You yet did not notice that Germany governs the European Union… and thus Africa and half China. One can up-play oneself gladly further.

And

Huch... man sollte aber auch zielen können.

Reads..

Huch… in addition, one should be able to aim

[STEED]

Leadsom: Being A Mum Gives Me More Of A Stake

"Leadsom" has without question made a blunder when talking to the press. Granted it was The Times and they are less likely to twist her words out of shape which has resulting in showing she is a junior unlike "May" a senior.

[STEED]

Prescott Says 'Illegal' Iraq War Will Haunt Him
The former deputy prime minister accuses Tony Blair of illegally leading the UK into the Iraq War following the Chilcot report.Lord Prescott has condemned Tony Blair's decision to go to war in Iraq, a decision the former deputy PM at the time had supported.http://news.sky.com/story/prescott-says-illegal-iraq-war-will-haunt-him-10497349

Don't try that one. :stare:

[Catfish]

And some thoughts on Leadsom ...

@Steed "unfortunatey she talked to the press"

Well it's her own Internet blog. Delusion is bliss :doh:
Fun only if you take all this as a joke :nope:

[Jimbuna]

I can't remember British politics ever being held in such disdain by the electorate before during my lifetime.

What a mess.

[MGR1]

I can't remember British politics ever being held in such disdain by the electorate before during my lifetime.

What a mess.

Very true.:rock:

In the meantime, here's Brian Taylor on the latest proposals for federalising the UK: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36747715).

This is in the wake of Scottish Tory MSP Murdo Fraser advocating fedralism in a speech at Holyrood: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36747716). It should be noted that he was Ruth Davidson's rival in the Scottish Tory leadership contest in 2011. He proposed that the Scottish Torries should split from the main Tory Party and set up a distinctively Scottish centre/centre-right party. The membership disagreed with him and voted for Davidson who wanted to keep the status quo.

Scottish Labour have also made similar proposals in the past few days: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36738066).

Finally, here's an article from the Guardian on proposals from the Constitution Reform Group, convened by former Conservative cabinet minister Lord Salisbury: LINK (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/10/brexit-vote-paves-way-for-federal-union-says-all-party-group).

Could federalism work? Until and unless Scottish independence makes financial sense (currently it doesn't), Scotland won't be going anywhere anytime soon so this problem needs to be addressed.

Mike.:hmmm:

[MGR1]

The Guardian again:

It is easy to despair of our leaders, but Brexit has exposed Britain’s rotten core

Linda Colley.

David Cameron (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/davidcameron) has had a good week. Never mind that he took a gamble with the UK’s future, lost his bet and then opted to retire from what seem likely to be protracted and unpleasant consequences; in media terms he has been able more or less to recede from view. Instead, the spotlight has been on other individuals: on the delicious backstabbing among competing Conservatives, on the struggles between the Corbynistas and their opponents and on Chilcot’s weighty verdict on the failings of an earlier prime minister, Tony Blair. But what if the essence of our present problems is more than a matter of individuals?
It is unlikely to be an accident, for instance, that Blair and Cameron, skilful political players both, each came to grief over matters to do with foreign affairs. This is a sector of government where traditionally prime ministers are given a great deal of leeway. Perhaps too much leeway. Perhaps one lesson of our current difficulties is that Westminster and other UK agencies need to find better ways of monitoring, amending and regulating prime-ministerial actions.......


Rest of article: LINK (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/10/britain-needs-more-than-theresa-may-to-reshape-democracy).

Mike.

[MGR1]

Some more general info articles:

Article 50: LINK. (https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/07/07/colm-ocinneide-why-parliamentary-approval-for-the-triggering-of-article-50-teu-should-be-required-as-a-matter-of-constitutional-principle/)

A Northern Irish perspective on Brexit: LINK. (http://sluggerotoole.com/2016/07/08/northerns-ireland-best-chance-of-leverage-rests-inevitably-at-westminster/)

Independence 'opportunity' says 2014 Scottish IndyRef critic Sir Nicholas Macpherson: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36754022).

I read MacPherson's article in the FT - I think something has gone very wrong somewhere if Ian Paisley Jr (son of the Rev Ian "NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!" Paisley of DUP fame) has tweeted the recommendation that if your entitled to an Irish Republic passport you should get one.:o

Why Brexit Means Scottish Independence Is Off The Table—For Now by Alex Massie: LINK. (http://time.com/4390951/brexit-scottish-independence-barriers/)

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile, down on the ranch...

CONSERVATIVE LEADER ODDS: Andrea Leadsom is now a very good bet to be the next Prime Minister.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/conservative-leader-betting-andrea-leadsom-is-now-a-very-good-bet-to-be-the-next-prime-minister-2016-7

[Oberon]

http://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2016/01/08/635878871872560502-87379949_image.gif

[Oberon]

Theresa May (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_May) is to become the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom after Leadsom drops out of leadership race.

[Catfish]

http://www.officialteresamay.com/ ?? :hmmm:

New leaders by the minute.
Keep calm and elect on..

[Oberon]

She'll resign tomorrow. :haha:

[STEED]

So "Leadsom" is out which goes to show how junior she is. If the resent events were the other way around bet "May" would still be standing.

So that just leaves us with UKIP the Greens and to a lesser extent Labour which we all know JC will come though will flying colours.

[Oberon]

UKIP will just 'elect' Farage again. :haha:

[Catfish]

"Leadsom".. lead some .. whence the name? :hmmm:

[STEED]

No news on UKIP yet.

The Green Party leadership candidates
Jonathan Bartley
Caroline Lucas
David Malone
Martie Warin
David Williams

Winner will be announced on 2nd Sept.

[Oberon]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnFPriIW8AA3Gz2.jpg:large

:har:

[STEED]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnFPriIW8AA3Gz2.jpg:large

:har:

Indeed laughable.

[MGR1]

Scottish Tory Leader Ruth Davidson offers Theresa May her full support: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36765349).

Nicola Sturgeon has congratulated May on her win and wishes that there will be a "constructive relationship" between a May led government and the SNP one at Holyrood. However, both Sturgeon and the SNP's Westminster leader Angus Robertson have bluntly reminded May of the Scottish pro-remain vote in the EURef. No link so far, but it was mentioned on BBC Reporting Scotland at 18.30. Current speculation is that the SNP will probably support a Norway-style EEA deal for the UK.

Finally, the Finance Ministers from the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish devolved administrations have requested an urgent meeting with the Chancellor to discuss the impact of Brexit on their budgets: LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36761784).

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Theresa May promised to build a "better Britain" and to make the UK's EU exit a "success" after she was announced as the new Tory leader and soon-to-be PM.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36768148

Only time will tell but I somehow doubt it.

[STEED]

Only time will tell but I somehow doubt it.

Agreed.



"May" is in no rush to bring about Article 50 and has suggested directly or in directly delaying it until next summer.

But here is the crunch point, if she delays after March 31st 2017 then the situation changes as Article 50 will need the backing of 14 EU States for the UK to leave.

Now the game of poker is she holding a Royal Flush before March 31st 2017 or bluffing it out to after that date? :hmmm:

[STEED]

Chancellor George Osborne has vowed to create a "more outward-looking, global-facing Britain" following the UK vote to leave the European Union.
Even closer economic ties between the UK and US are in the "overwhelming interest of both countries", he has written in the Wall Street Journal.
Although the UK is leaving the EU, "we are not quitting the world", he said.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36760859

Well I see he has changed the record yet again. :rolleyes:

[Catfish]

"Free trade bacon" sounds good :hmmm:

oh wait .. :O:

[Catfish]

But.. Theresa May on wednesday? Really? :hmmm:
Scrap the European Human Rights Charter (UK being one of the main driving forces behind the EHRC).
Scrap free-speech and privacy, track everything that people do online.
Scrap worker's rights.
Fan up anti-immigration hate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11913927/Theresa-Mays-immigration-speech-is-dangerous-and-factually-wrong.html

Almost all she said is "wrong" to not call itan outright lie. She has not even be elected but .. all is good and she will work for the good of the people.
We will see. Britain will see it first.

[MGR1]

May does have something of a headache when it comes to the ECHR as it's incorporated into the devolution settlements for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. I think it also forms part of the peace process in Northern Ireland via the Good Friday Agreement. Any change to the latter would probably need to be negotiated with the Irish Government.

Mike.

[Oberon]

http://i.imgur.com/FzqLzxo.jpg?1


http://i.imgur.com/LcjBTHC.gif

[MGR1]

Yup, I think Ruth Davidson's got her sense of humour back. She came out with a few others:

"Before politics not only was I a BBC journalist but I single-handedly saved the British banking system during the Barings collapse, piloted Apollo 13 back down to earth. A little-known fact is that I was the original Misha the bear at the 1980 Moscow Olympics, the same year I won Eurovision, which, speaking as a mother…""About four weeks ago...I’d had a phone call from Craig Oliver saying he’d like me to do the Wembley debate. "'The Labour party are putting up Angela Eagle', he said.
"I said: 'That’s great Craig, I’m more than happy, as you know I always love a fight but are you absolutely sure you want two short-haired, flat shoes, shovel-faced lesbians with northern accents. This is a whole UK-wide debate and that’s narrow casting'.
"I don’t think he’d ever been spoken to like that before because he turned into essentially Hugh Grant..”urrr urr urm” and therefore Sadiq came up."
LINK (https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/dot-commons-diary/77226/ruth-davidson-shovel-faced).:03:

For the second quote, it should be noted that Davidson was also taking the mickey out of herself as she is herself a lesbian. I wasn't aware that Angela Eagle is also one, but it turns out she is. If she wins the Labour leadership contest, that would be the first time that one of the mainstream UK parties was led by someone who is homosexual. Something which shouldn't be an issue, these days.

Mike.

[AndyJWest]

...
If [Angela Eagle] wins the Labour leadership contest, that would be the first time that one of the mainstream UK parties was led by someone who is homosexual. Something which shouldn't be an issue, these days.

Mike.

Jeremy Thorpe was gay - though sadly lived in a time when it was an issue.

[Jimbuna]

Corbyn is automatically allowed into the leadership contest so should he win again as is highly likely, it could well mean the splitting-up of the Labour Party.

[Oberon]

Michael Dobbs, creator of House of Cards told Jon Snow on C4 News:

"My career is over. How can political fiction match what's going on? It leaves me quite bereft." :haha:

Meanwhile, as Daves last day ends, some music to play his departure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhyORjJ00Rk

[Jimbuna]

Michael Dobbs, creator of House of Cards told Jon Snow on C4 News:

"My career is over. How can political fiction match what's going on? It leaves me quite bereft." :haha:

:yep:

[Dowly]

BRITAIN'S NEW LEADER RAPS LIKE A BOSS (Dan Bull)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv7Jd94bnOI

:haha:

[STEED]

Corbyn is automatically allowed into the leadership contest so should he win again as is highly likely, it could well mean the splitting-up of the Labour Party.

JC will win so there will be no other choice left than those who hate him leave and form a new party now. If not the hole gets bigger and bigger and the Tories will get elected over and over and over and over again.




I have to agree with Toff Boy old JC is the Black Knight.

[STEED]

https://memecrunch.com/meme/BHFQK/just-got-to-clear-the-air-of-the-smell-of-pigs-in-no-10-this-afternoon-and-and-i-shall-move-in-later-tonight/image.png?w=519&c=1

[STEED]

Another woman in NO.10...

https://memecrunch.com/meme/BHFQQ/tell-bossmark/image.jpg?w=400&c=1

[STEED]

Back to my Council..

My brown wheelie bin arrived and its bigger than my black one now being used for recycling. Its a mid size wheelie bin and my neighbour who has a XL Black bin took one look at the new rubbish brown wheelie bin and said..This is too (BLEEPING) small how the (BLEEP) am I going to get all my (BLEEPING) rubbish in that!

I have a feeling everyone else in the same situation will be having words with the council.

[MGR1]

From STV: How Theresa May should approach her Scotland problem. (http://stv.tv/news/politics/1360393-how-theresa-may-should-approach-her-scotland-problem/)

In short, remember that Scotland is still part of the UK and govern accordingly!

Mike.

[Catfish]

^ would Scotland be able to remain in the EU, without England?
Would that even be possible?
I mean the UK as a whole has voted, not single countries it consists of.

[MGR1]

In short, no.

The UK as a whole voted to leave, so the UK as whole leaves. For Scotland to be part of the EU, it would need to have a vote for independence sanctioned by the UK Government (no unilateral declarations here) become an independent country, then apply to join the EU in the normal way.

The choice we Scots now face is which Union do we value more, the UK or the EU, and how willing are we to go through with the economic dislocation of independence from the former, to join the latter.

There's also the little problem of inter-UK relations where Scotland appears to be increasingly seen as "foreign" by a percentage of people in England, i.e. not it's not really part of Britain. Mainly due to the devolution of power from London to Edinburgh and the divergence in political outlook.

Mike.

[Oberon]

Oh Christ, Boris is Foreign Secretary....Boris...


https://media.giphy.com/media/oo4JwuqvXjpZu/giphy.gif

[Skybird]

Boris Johnson as foreign secretary. The first volley fired against the EU negotiators. - The funny thing is: I saw it coming. :haha:

There will be war at the green table. :har: Or canibals' dinner, so to speak.

[STEED]

Friend phoned me and asked did you see her give her speech to which I said no, why I asked?

http://images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/9000/620x/23009.jpg

He said she looked like Death and he feels she is the Grim Reaper! :huh:

[Oberon]

The US State Department reacts to BoJo becoming Foreign Secretary:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-07/13/15/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane02/anigif_sub-buzz-10326-1468438562-11.gif

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/this-is-how-the-state-department-reacted-to-foreign-secretar?utm_term=.anxyv8ZlK#.bled6J7ZK

[Catfish]

Oh Christ, Boris is Foreign Secretary....Boris...

I guess Nigel F. would have been the better choice? :O:

[Oberon]

I guess Nigel F. would have been the better choice? :O:

Nah, Godfrey Bloom. :O: :haha:

[Torplexed]

Gotta be a quandary for Boris Johnson. He's just been given a pay cut of over 50% (no more money from the Daily Telegraph) and a job where he will regularly see May in the job he desperately wanted, while in his own job he will likely spectacularly fail.

Something to ponder is that should Hillary win, the end result of all this may be that three of the G7 powers will be headed by women (and one by a Trudeau). :O:

[Catfish]

It seems Mrs May wants to punish those with jobs, who tried to gallantly chicken away after they "won" :D

Just of all Johnson for foreign secretary.. i wonder if the UK voters could be more concerned than the EU now :hmmm:

[MGR1]

BoJo as Foreign Secretary?:hmmm:

Someone pass the popcorn please!

Mike.:haha:

[HunterICX]

Oh Christ, Boris is Foreign Secretary....Boris...


imagine...well you where there when I suddenly realized that after hearing his god damn name ''Boris'' on the TV the whole evening (wasn't watching but could hear the TV from my room) that it was Boris Johnson they where yapping about when I red the online newspaper:
http://i.imgur.com/xgMWU2O.gif

[STEED]

I am pleased that Gids the Git resigned. :D

[Oberon]

I am pleased that Gids the Git resigned. :D

http://seoblackhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pyrrhus.jpg

[Jimbuna]

From STV: How Theresa May should approach her Scotland problem. (http://stv.tv/news/politics/1360393-how-theresa-may-should-approach-her-scotland-problem/)

In short, remember that Scotland is still part of the UK and govern accordingly!

Mike.

I quite liked this piece:

The SNP is expert at mining grievance from even the most innocuous act or statement. Theresa May could wallpaper Number 10 in tartan and change the national anthem to Ye Cannae Fling Pieces Oot A 20-Storey Flat and still the Nationalists would claim Scotland was being simultaneously ignored and victimised by Westminster.

:)

[Jimbuna]

Well, now Gideon and especially Gove now know how it feels to have a knife stuck in the back.

[Jimbuna]

BoJo as Foreign Secretary?:hmmm:

Someone pass the popcorn please!

Mike.:haha:

Yep, surprised me. Now the clown has the largest circus ring in the world to give his performance.

[STEED]

Well, now Gideon and especially Gove now know how it feels to have a knife stuck in the back.

Gideon fate was tied in with Dave once he stepped down Gideon has no choice but to follow his master.

Gove was busy stabbing everyone else in the back he didn't see that he stabbed himself in the back.

[MGR1]

I quite liked this piece:

:)

No disagreement from me!:up:

Sadly both the main Westminster parties have accidently created a deep well of discontent in Scotland over the past 40-50 years. The SNP use it to good effect.

Mike.

[Skybird]

Heck, somehow the attitude of this woman that I did not take note of before impresses me. She has balls. And some stubborn fighting spirit that I strictly associate with something "typically British". I wonder how it must be on days when she feels angry? :)

And one thing should be clear with three Brexiteers claiming economy, foreign relations, Brexit - there will be no exist fromt he brexit with this team.

The message to the EU is clear: Thank you, but no dream-dancing with me, I'm not here to appease you, but to ram you your own knife in your belly.

:shucks:

[STEED]

May the Grim Reaper scares me as well, I have to agree with my mate she looks like death! :eek:


What is all this Gids businesses, first I hear he resigned now I am hearing May the Grim Reaper sacked him so what is going on? :confused:

[Catfish]

Heck, somehow the attitude of this woman that I did not take note of before impresses me. She has balls. And some stubborn fighting spirit that I strictly associate with something "typically British". I wonder how it must be on days when she feels angry? :)

And one thing should be clear with three Brexiteers claiming economy, foreign relations, Brexit - there will be no exist fromt he brexit with this team.

The message to the EU is clear: Thank you, but no dream-dancing with me, I'm not here to appease you, but to ram you your own knife in your belly.

:shucks:

Well she was not exactly for a Brexit, on the contrary. She will do what the people's referendum demands, but this should be self-evident.
So anyone against the EU has "balls". I thought you said that staying in the EU needs balls, since all members are doomed and went already bankrupt or despaired two years ago (as you predicted?).
Regarding "balls" I guess the location is just.. elsewhere :O:

[Jimbuna]

Heck, somehow the attitude of this woman that I did not take note of before impresses me. She has balls. And some stubborn fighting spirit that I strictly associate with something "typically British". I wonder how it must be on days when she feels angry? :)

And one thing should be clear with three Brexiteers claiming economy, foreign relations, Brexit - there will be no exist fromt he brexit with this team.

The message to the EU is clear: Thank you, but no dream-dancing with me, I'm not here to appease you, but to ram you your own knife in your belly.

:shucks:

Even in the early days of her tenure many in the UK are already comparing her with Thatcher....and she certainly had balls.

[STEED]

May the Grim Reaper appointment for Boris could see his downfall as some political experts think he will fall before two years in the job. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

I'm liking the way May is already standing up to Sturgeon on the subject of yet another independence referendum.

“As far as I’m concerned, the Scottish people have had their vote, they voted in 2014 and a very clear message came through. Both the United Kingdom and the Scottish Government said they would abide by that,”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-scottish-independence-referendum-rules-out-second-a7139391.html

[MGR1]

Sturgeon and the SNP have been forced to play the IndyRef card by the outcome of the Brexit Referendum. They wanted to call an IndyRef at a time of their own choosing, Brexit has forced them to move when they're not really ready. However, the SNP are nothing if not flexible when it comes to achieving their raison d'etre; they're already looking at ways they can plug as many of the 2014 White Paper's gaps. That includes setting up a new currency and central bank, the currency question being one of the main problems with the SNP's position in 2014.

Of course, only the Scottish Greens are actually honest enough to say that independence will hurt massively to start off with. The SNP are obfuscating on the issue at the moment.:hmmm:

Mike.

[Catfish]

^ Maybe any plan is better than no plan :03:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svRMbZeNn1U

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile....

In an attempt to stop left wing demonstrators from continuing to come to his house , Boris Johnson has erected a ' Job Centre ' sign above his front door .

[Catfish]

In an attempt to stop left wing demonstrators from continuing to come to his house , Boris Johnson has erected a ' Job Centre ' sign above his front door .

It is good that only politically "left" people are jobless, imagine the "right" had so much time writing in forums in their free time.

I'm afraid it is not only "the left" demonstrating, while thinking Johnson is not a prime example of how one should have done one's job, after he "won" :03:

[Oberon]

It's always the lefts fault, get with the program Catfish. :O:

Meanwhile, the Eagle has landed...I mean fallen...I mean quit from the leadership race.

[Jimbuna]

I doubt Smith will beat Corbyn and so the possibility of a Labour Party split looks increasingly possible.

[Moonlight]

If the Labour Party does split in two then I hope those MPs who leave the party will do us the honour of resigning their seats as well. :yep:

That won't happen though as those ministers will be content to wait for the next general election safe in the knowledge that their pay packets are secure for the next 4+ years and they won't have a local election to contest either, win win for them, lose lose for us. :/\\!!
This Smith character has a better chance of winning than that incompetent Eagle bird had but I know already that he hasn't got the gravitas or charisma to knock Corbyn off of his perch.
We can always hope for some sanity to surface somewhere but this madness gripping the party is too infectious so its not going to happen any time soon. :nope:

[Oberon]

I hear Mays speech in the commons today went down well:

http://www.sunnation.co.uk/s3/sunnation-prod/uploads/2015/10/PA-6105905-653x490.jpg

Rather uncanny, the tone of voice, the posture...

[STEED]

I watched the re-run of May the Grim Reaper sticking it to old JC. The main problem he has is that he will not throw the mud back, too be fair yes that is refreshing not to see but the problem is PMQ's is nothing more than feeding time at the zoo and old JC is looked upon as a easy target who will not play ball.

[Jimbuna]

I hear Mays speech in the commons today went down well:

Rather uncanny, the tone of voice, the posture...

I must admit I enjoyed it immensely and for once, Diane Abbott made a bit of sense in her opinion on the matter.

But Jeremy Corbyn ally Diane Abbott blamed Labour MPs.
She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme they had "sat on their hands" and sulked instead of getting behind him.
"If Owen Smith wants Jeremy to score over Theresa May in Prime Minister's Questions, he needs to talk to his colleagues," said the shadow health secretary.
"They refuse to cheer, they sit on their hands, they sulk, they chat among themselves, and some of these Labour MPs need to understand, it's not about supporting Jeremy as a person, it's about going into the chamber for Prime Minister's Questions and supporting your party.
"When Theresa May came in she got huge cheers from the Tory benches. When Jeremy came in there was silence."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36853932

[STEED]

Can't wait for old JC to win big time as this will force the rebels to put up and shut up or breakaway. I don't see they have the guts to breakaway but we shall see.

[bertieck476]

But all the time he leads along with his communist shadow chancellor, labour are pretty much un-electable.

[STEED]

But all the time he leads along with his communist shadow chancellor, labour are pretty much un-electable.

Indeed, the hour draws near will the rebels show they have balls or go whimpering in to the night.

[Jimbuna]

Can't wait for old JC to win big time as this will force the rebels to put up and shut up or breakaway. I don't see they have the guts to breakaway but we shall see.

I doubt they'll have any option because JC will have them all de-selected otherwise.

[STEED]

I doubt they'll have any option because JC will have them all de-selected otherwise.

If they breakaway and depending on the numbers to form a new party they should all force a number of by-elections. Result could damage JC and make the Labour foundations rather weak. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

According to one or two of todays papers, if May called a general election now, the Tory majority would be 100+

[STEED]

According to one or two of todays papers, if May called a general election now, the Tory majority would be 100+

Way too high that figure, more like around 30-50. I don't dispute the Tories would win of course they will. They will win in 2020 100% and 2025 75% as clearly there is no solid opposition. They could even take 2030 55% chance.

[STEED]

Listening to LBC last night and wee Sturgeon was on the topic, the presenter asked a interesting question..What has the EU solely and only provided to Scotland only? No one seemed to have the answer.

Funny thing was most Scottish callers were against Sturgeon while a percentage of English callers backed her. :hmmm:

It seems her EU visit did not go well as the EU said..Yes and who are you?
Scottish National debt is higher than England's one caller said.

Couple of Scottish comments...

Sturgeon is nothing more than a glorified town councillor

Sturgeon's seat has the worst crime rate in the whole of Scotland!


Any how I see wee Sturgeon is in the news today..

Brexit: Sturgeon sets out key Scottish interests that 'must be protected'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36878081

[STEED]

Labour's running joke comes up with a new one. :haha:

I resign....I want my job back....Glad to be back on the front bench. :har:

Sarah Champion returns to the Labour leader's frontbench team after quitting claiming his position was untenable.http://news.sky.com/story/mp-back-in-shadow-cabinet-after-unresigning-10512470

[MGR1]

Listening to LBC last night and wee Sturgeon was on the topic, the presenter asked a interesting question..What has the EU solely and only provided to Scotland only? No one seemed to have the answer.

Funny thing was most Scottish callers were against Sturgeon while a percentage of English callers backed her. :hmmm:

It seems her EU visit did not go well as the EU said..Yes and who are you?
Scottish National debt is higher than England's one caller said.

Couple of Scottish comments...

Sturgeon is nothing more than a glorified town councillor

Sturgeon's seat has the worst crime rate in the whole of Scotland!


Any how I see wee Sturgeon is in the news today..


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36878081

I think it should be fairly obvious to everyone by now that Sturgeon and the SNP are acting in what they believe to be Scotland's interests. The catch is are those interests actually what the SNP think they are?

The fact that there isn't any real opposition, split as it is between more than one party, certainly muddies the waters.

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Labour's running joke comes up with a new one. :haha:

I resign....I want my job back....Glad to be back on the front bench. :har:

http://news.sky.com/story/mp-back-in-shadow-cabinet-after-unresigning-10512470

Looks like the sinking ship didn't sink after all and she is trying to climb back aboard.

[Bubblehead1980]

Just watched May's first PMQ, she an intelligent, tough lady.UK may be in good hands, even if she was not pro Brexit.

[Catfish]

She seems to be a lot more competent than some other politicians we have seen lately :)

But, you know, the wrapper should never be confused with the contents, or substance. Wait and see.

[STEED]

A Labour donor is trying to block Jeremy Corbyn from ever running in a leadership contest, the High Court hears.http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-faces-leadership-nomination-rerun-10513065

Oh no they are now dragging it out in court!

This farcical has really become a crass joke which so far has no ending.

[Jimbuna]

Next challenge is expected to be made by Corbyns cronies regarding the decision to stop new joiners (post January) from voting.

[Bubblehead1980]

She seems to be a lot more competent than some other politicians we have seen lately :)

But, you know, the wrapper should never be confused with the contents, or substance. Wait and see.


I agree. Must say I envy the UK's system, having PMQ. Even though the President is an executive and not part of congress as PM is an MP, do wish we could modify our system where President was forced to take questions from the house each week. To me, this drops the buffer and free spin the media offers, to a degree.

[STEED]

Corbyn Wins High Court Leadership Fighthttp://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-wins-high-court-leadership-fight-10515231

No way was he going to loose that one.

[STEED]

The cats are taking over! :o

Gladstone Joins Whitehall Feline Frontline

Whitehall's team of mousers has been bolstered with the arrival of Gladstone at the Treasury.

http://news.sky.com/story/gladstone-joins-whitehall-feline-frontline-10516331

I say get more cats and let them run the country. :DL

Probably do a better job of it as well. :)

[Jimbuna]

A guarantee that pensions should rise by at least 2.5% should be dropped from 2020, a former pensions minister has said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36935281

Pensioners: The remaining majority of those who can be bothered to vote these days.

That would possibly be and I repeat the word 'possibly' be the only way Labour would get within sniffing distance of government.

[Moonlight]

^Agree, the grey vote are a ruling governments worst nightmare, kitten knickers isn't stupid and she won't want to cross swords with them if she can help it. :yep:

[STEED]

UKIP leadership hopeful Steven Woolfe has been ruled "ineligible" to stand in the contest to replace Nigel Farage.

Three NEC members have quit in protest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36962266

Sounds like its his own fault not getting his bid in on time. Another case of sour grapes in UKIP.

[STEED]

Toff Boy is back in the news I see...

CAMERONGATE. :hmmm:

A major Conservative donor reportedly included in David Cameron's leaked resignation honours has withdrawn his name from the list amid claims of cronyism.
http://news.sky.com/story/cameron-honours-list-tory-donor-withdraws-10520866

Why didn't BossMark get a Knighthood recommendation?

[Fubar2Niner]

I believe we should have all got the VC for putting up with the twonk for so long!! :yep:

[STEED]

I believe we should have all got the VC for putting up with the twonk for so long!! :yep:

I rather have a few kegs of beer so I can forget him for a few hours. :)

Cameron who? :har:

[STEED]

BIG BUST UP IN DOWNING STREET
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/larry-and-palmerston-the-cats-come-to-blows-on-downing-street-a3309066.html

[Catfish]

The new PM is the old PM, just saying..*
= Prime Mouser Larry

[Jimbuna]

BIG BUST UP IN DOWNING STREET
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/larry-and-palmerston-the-cats-come-to-blows-on-downing-street-a3309066.html

Splendid :D

[STEED]

Only cats jim, I know it would be rather amusing if the Tories had the bust up. :) :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Don't forget, there are three cats in No 10 now :03:

[Fubar2Niner]

Don't forget, there are three cats in No 10 now :03:

I thought she had moved into No 11, as it was deemed the flat above No 10 was too small. The shame of it all :wah:

[STEED]

Don't forget, there are three cats in No 10 now :03:

This is far too much for me at this time of night. ;)

[Jimbuna]

I thought she had moved into No 11, as it was deemed the flat above No 10 was too small. The shame of it all :wah:

I honestly haven't heard :hmm2:

[STEED]

MPs To Move Out Of Houses Of Parliament
Politicians will be relocated to the Department of Health where alcohol is banned, while renovations are carried out.http://news.sky.com/story/mps-to-move-out-of-houses-of-parliament-10524886

Bet they over turn that rule. :03:

[STEED]

Hearing a debate on the radio and the Tories are on course for a massive landslide victory at the next general election. Labour and the liberals will be wiped out, only the SNP will be left intact making them the main opposition to the Tories.

If this comes true we could see the downfall of Labour and Liberals as they pass into the history books. So will 2020 see the rise of UKIP and the Green Party? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

So it seems currently Labour is taking Labour to the Court of Appeal to stop Labour letting Labour members vote in Labour's Leadership contest ?:doh:

[STEED]

Nicola Sturgeon has welcome a proposal which could allow Scotland to retain its membership of the EU as England and Wales withdraw

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-hails-proposal-for-scotland-to-do-reverse-greenland-and-retain-eu-membership-a3319411.html

First of all when Greenland withdrew it was the EEC back then, what we have now is the EU so do the same rules stand. And how is Scotland going to pay its weekly contribution to the EU? I just get this feeling wee bam Sturgeon may not be in possession of all the facts. :hmmm:

[STEED]

The new look Nigel Farage..

http://home.bt.com/images/farage-may-return-as-ukip-leader-if-brexit-is-not-delivered-136407951300603901-160814105004.jpg

Meanwhile...

Theresa May 'the most popular politician in the UK'

Based on one speech and one PMQ's before clearing off on holiday!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3739263/Theresa-May-popular-politician-UK.html

[STEED]

Labour grandee Margaret Beckett today branded Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters a personal “fan club” that did not care if the Labour Party splits.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-beckett-corbyn-supporters-aren-t-labour-members-they-re-a-fan-club-a3320311.html

I would say she has a fair point. Old JC seems to strut around like some sort of film star which makes him look silly.

When he first became leader I was thinking he would make a moderate good interim leader while Labour got it's house in order and limited the damage loosing the 2020 general election. Some time after 2020 once Labour was up and running again old JC would step aside for some one who is more PM material for the 2025 general election.

But now clearly its all gone to pot in Labour and I just can not see them ever coming back into power for another 15 to 20 years.

[Diopos]

...and I just can not see them ever coming back into power for another 15 to 20 years.

Don't know about the 15-20 years interval but for the immediate future, with Brexit and all, maybe it is the prudent thing to do ... :hmmm:

.

[STEED]

Don't know about the 15-20 years interval but for the immediate future, with Brexit and all, maybe it is the prudent thing to do ... :hmmm:

.

Just the way it stands at the moment. :)

[STEED]

Jeremy Corbyn has won the backing of 85% of Labour's grassroots supporters, cementing his position as favourite to win the leadership contest.

http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-wins-big-on-constituency-labour-party-support-10537909

The day dream continual's to ignore the hard cold fact that Labour will not win in 2020.

[Jimbuna]

Labour grandee Margaret Beckett today branded Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters a personal “fan club” that did not care if the Labour Party splits.

She started it all by being one of those who nominated him in the first place.

[STEED]

She started it all by being one of those who nominated him in the first place.

Well I never knew that, clearly now regretting doing that.

[Jimbuna]

Well I never knew that, clearly now regretting doing that.

Margaret Beckett: I was moron to nominate Jeremy Corbyn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33625612

[STEED]

Margaret Beckett: I was moron to nominate Jeremy Corbyn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33625612

Well I will give her credit to say that. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Well I will give her credit to say that. :haha:

Yep, could be her political swansong.

[STEED]

Is George Osborne the new Rambo? :hmmm:

The ex-Chancellor's 15-year-old son filmed his dad pulling the trigger on the weapon believed to be an M60 used by US troops

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/watch-george-osborne-go-rambo-8660787


I bet he was thinking...Take that May you Bitch and as for you Dave you betrayed me. :03:


https://memecrunch.com/meme/BIJFM/osborne/image.gif?w=500&c=1

[Jimbuna]

I bet he was thinking......'I was told Corbyn would be here'.

[Oberon]

http://i.imgur.com/nBCIh6E.jpg?1


And if you want awkwardness, it doesn't get much better than this:

https://twitter.com/Alison1mackITV/status/766330487854010369/video/1

:har::har:


The new look Nigel Farage..

http://home.bt.com/images/farage-may-return-as-ukip-leader-if-brexit-is-not-delivered-136407951300603901-160814105004.jpg



That's not Nigel Farage, that's Figel Narage, he's running for the leadership of UKIP. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

And if you want awkwardness, it doesn't get much better than this:

https://twitter.com/Alison1mackITV/status/766330487854010369/video/1

:har::har:



Not like a politician to speak one way and act in another :)

[STEED]

Enter Jeremy Corbyn the film star promoting his new film...Night of the Corbynites.

And in for the bargain gets a laugh.

[STEED]

London mayor Sadiq Khan has urged Labour voters to ditch Jeremy Corbyn as leader and vote for Owen Smith in the party's leadership contest.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37146729

Jeremy Corbyn is going no where he is solid stone and will not be removed not until Labour get slaughtered at the next general election. The anti JC's better off saying we will get slaughtered under this deluded so called film star and when it happens rub it in good and hard.

[Jimbuna]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37146729

Jeremy Corbyn is going no where he is solid stone and will not be removed not until Labour get slaughtered at the next general election.

True that but it will still require the party to split before it happens because the trots are well aware they are unelectable and their real focus is simply to be in charge of a vehicle/platform to be heard nationally and the Labour Party is exactly that.

[STEED]

Welcome to Train Gate.....:har:

Seems to backfired on JC's press office.

[Jimbuna]

Yep, things are getting a little nasty between them and Branson :)

[STEED]

http://e3.365dm.com/16/08/736x414/fe04cd4f29e8d6b4bc29b4bea6655b0c6fbdd798d8ba181820 71090b09d0efa2_3771280.jpg?20160824110843

Look man you weren't there, don't get me angry.


http://news.sky.com/story/angry-corbyn-clashes-with-sky-news-reporter-over-train-row-10549755

[Jimbuna]

Owen Smith denies calling Jeremy Corbyn a 'lunatic'

It just gets better and better :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37172729

[STEED]

Owen Smith denies calling Jeremy Corbyn a 'lunatic'

It just gets better and better :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37172729

Not too sure about that one. :hmmm:

Flamboyant look at me so called film star in JC's head that is too say is him. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Now they argue over who should be allowed to vote.

A couple of more thousand votes to UKIP I should imagine.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37184118

[STEED]

Now they argue over who should be allowed to vote.

A couple of more thousand votes to UKIP I should imagine.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37184118

Outgoing UKIP leader Nigel Farage has appeared alongside Donald Trump to give a speech at a rally in Mississippi.

http://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-appears-on-stage-with-donald-trump-10550595

Would they stomach the Donald? :hmmm:

Still there is the Green Party full of pot smoking tree hugging sex orgy supporters. :shifty:

[Moonlight]

Still there is the Green Party full of pot smoking tree hugging sex orgy supporters. :shifty:
I would sooner vote for them than the dysfunctional Labour party at the moment. :nope:

[STEED]

I would sooner vote for them than the dysfunctional Labour party at the moment. :nope:

And have a good time. :03:

If of course what I said is all true. :haha:

[STEED]

A former head of the civil service has said the UK might remain in a "more loosely aligned" European Union, despite the referendum vote to leave.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-37202922

I suspect this could be the case.

[Jimbuna]

That would probably depend on the attitude of the EU and any changes they make, if any.

[STEED]

I see this Train Gate is dragging on and going in a new silly direction.

British tycoon Sir Richard Branson is a "tax exile" and should be stripped of his knighthood, shadow chancellor John McDonnell has suggested.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37208527

Meanwhile..

An analysis suggests plans to cut the Commons from 650 to 600 MPs will hit Labour harder than the Conservatives.

http://news.sky.com/politics

Please don't tell me the Tories are running scared of Labour as clearly this is not the case. Hiker May is looking at a good 100 majority in 2020 or are the Tories trying to slam in the final nail in Labour's coffin? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Precisely!!

[STEED]

Every home and business in the UK would have guaranteed access to high-speed broadband as part of a digital "bill of rights" proposed by Jeremy Corbyn.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37219140

Stealing that idea off Cameron. :hmmm:

Wonder if he would do the same as Cameron on that one, sod sweet all. :03:

[Jimbuna]

Corbyn can make as many grand promises as he likes because he knows he will never be in a position where he will have to deliver them.

[STEED]

Corbyn can make as many grand promises as he likes because he knows he will never be in a position where he will have to deliver them.

I bring you world peace and love all round, just vote for Corbyn.

[Jimbuna]

I bring you world peace and love all round, just vote for Corbyn.

Right at this moment in time I'd rather vote for Owen Smith.

[STEED]

Right at this moment in time I'd rather vote for Owen Smith.

More hints coming out of a major split when JC wins, why wait for the result? Seems pointless to me, get on with it and stop pussy footing around.

[Jimbuna]

More hints coming out of a major split when JC wins, why wait for the result? Seems pointless to me, get on with it and stop pussy footing around.

That is what ultimately will happen but I doubt many of the former Labour MP's would win their seats at the next general election under a different banner.

[STEED]

That is what ultimately will happen but I doubt many of the former Labour MP's would win their seats at the next general election under a different banner.

Jobs for the boys, lets see who has the guts and who is a chicken.

[Jimbuna]

Jobs for the boys, lets see who has the guts and who is a chicken.

All politicians are the latter, they'll not risk losing the comforts they currently enjoy.

[Jimbuna]

Jeremy Corbyn is set to call for Labour Party members to be allowed to elect MPs to the shadow cabinet.

Hardly surprising now that the majority of the membership support him.

Yet another nail in the Labour Party coffin.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37275245

[STEED]

What a mess we are in...

Tories rule the roost

LibDems lost in the woods

Labour has pressed the self destruct button


So UKIP and the Greens may make gain on this but how much gain is the question?

[Jimbuna]

Not enough to oust the Tories but hopefully enough to knock Labour off second place (at least while Corbyn is at the helm).

[STEED]

Keith Vaz quits as Home Affairs Committee chairman

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37283328

Not good enough, I don't give a damn what party these MP's come from they are a disgrace to the party and the people they represent and should stand down as a MP. There was a time they would but clearly long passed now. :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Married father-of-two Mr Vaz said he was referring the paper's allegations to his solicitor.

I'm wondering what it is he is going to consider challenging :hmmm:

[MGR1]

An interesting programme fronted by Andrew Marr:

"Scotland and the Battle for Britain (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07w4dzl/scotland-and-the-battle-for-britain-episode-1)", BBC iplayer, so for UK only peeps. Part two on BBC Two next Sunday.

Andrew Marr discovers why the Scotland he was born in has changed so much politically.
Scotland today feels very different to the country Andrew experienced growing up. It has become more left wing, less British and much more fiercely Scottish Nationalist. The SNP has been in power for nearly a decade and now - post the Brexit vote - there is talk of a second independence referendum. In just over half a century, Scotland has been transformed. How and why did this happen - and what does this mean for the future of the UK?
In the first of these two films, Andrew tells the story of a quiet political revolution, which still isn't much understood south of the border. The political gyroscope in Scotland has swung from the Unionists - who became the Conservatives - winning over half the Scottish vote in the 1950s, to the Labour Party, utterly dominant for over three decades, and today to the SNP, who have risen from a party of protest and insurgency to become the party of government in Scotland.
This film ends in 2012, with the announcement of a referendum on Scottish independence.

Brian Taylor's latest BBC news column covering First Ministers Questions:

FMQs: SNP and Tories contest a Holyrood blame game (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37311095)

The underlying narrative in contemporary Scottish politics is a form of blame game between the SNP and the Tories.
The SNP: 'You, the wicked Tories, have jeopardised Scotland's prosperity with your daft EU referendum.'
The Tories: 'Whatever, there is no need to make things worse with indyref2.'
The SNP: 'Of all the brass-necked…..!'
The Tories……
This narrative will drive political debate until, eventually, we begin to add a little substance to the mix as to what Brexit might mean, in practice.
A merry go round of blame, as always in politics.

Mike.

[Onkel Neal]

David Cameron resigns from UK Parliament (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/12/europe/david-cameron-resigns/)

"You made this mess, you fix it."

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I imagine he is thinking.

[STEED]

David Cameron resigns from UK Parliament (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/12/europe/david-cameron-resigns/)

"You made this mess, you fix it."

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I imagine he is thinking.

Yes the failed PM now seals it as a failed MP, so much for him saying I love this country/I pumped and ready to go. I for one will not miss him that is for sure.

George Osborne
We came into Parliament together, had a great partnership


Try evil partnership you vile slug!

Meanwhile back in the world of the polls I see the Tories have extended 11 points over Labour. Hiker May must be laughing all the way to 2020.

[Catfish]

When Cameron walked away from his 'final' speech after the Brexit, the microphones did not quite cut off what came then.
For those special-bred future leaders it all is just a game. Play the game, no real interest nor responsibility. :-?