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So we agree that personal responsibility plays an important role in society, then?
Shuheesh! :)
Maybe not a nice assertion.
Do the American know about personal responsibility ?
Why this assertion, one of my American friend wrote in our Wuhan thread many month ago.
Give me freedom or give me death
Markus
Maybe not a nice assertion.
Do the American know about personal responsibility ?
Why this assertion, one of my American friend wrote in our Wuhan thread many month ago.
Give me freedom or give me death
Markus
Not all Americans are the same. Some of us do indeed believe in personal responsibility and our responsibility to each other in society. This was the hallmark of our greatest generation and they tried their best to endow succeeding generations with a sense of it. Then there are some who use platitudes built from historical patriotic phrases of which they have very little contextual understanding. I would like to think the ratio falls more to the former. Good thing not all of us measure by volume (the noise to signal ratio, that is).
Not all Americans are the same. Some of us do indeed believe in personal responsibility and our responsibility to each other in society. This was the hallmark of our greatest generation and they tried their best to endow succeeding generations with a sense of it. Then there are some who use platitudes built from historical patriotic phrases of which they have very little contextual understanding. I would like to think the ratio falls more to the former. Good thing not all of us measure by volume (the noise to signal ratio, that is).
You're right I shouldn't have generalized. It's the same all over the world some people take responsibility towards others while some just don't care.
Markus
I shouldn't have generalized. It's the same all over the world..
Ummm.. :timeout:
:har:
Rockstar
08-18-21, 05:02 PM
Not all Americans are the same. Some of us do indeed believe in personal responsibility and our responsibility to each other in society. This was the hallmark of our greatest generation and they tried their best to endow succeeding generations with a sense of it. Then there are some who use platitudes built from historical patriotic phrases of which they have very little contextual understanding. I would like to think the ratio falls more to the former. Good thing not all of us measure by volume (the noise to signal ratio, that is).
I knew a bomber pilot who flew two B-17 missions over Europe then was sent to fly B29’s over Japan. He joined because he was trying to impress a girl he later married, most of his friends he said joined simply out of peer pressure. I joined because it was that or jail. Not sure if any of those qualify as hallmark moments in American history.
*sigh*
Then there's lack of respect for previous generations which, in itself, indicates no real sense of connection to history. Don't get me wrong, over time the U.S. whitewashed a lot of what it did and presented a narrative in history books that completely ignored terrible things. But those things, by and large, were driven by people of wealth and power, motivated by greed and selfishness. The history of the generation (the public, overall) that survived the Great Depression and fought World War Two is, collectively, admirable and it accomplished great things for the U.S (as it did in and for other nations).
What is generational and can form a foundation for following generations still involves a sense of honor, humanity and duty to the nation (world, for that matter) in how we treat our fellow citizens and people of all nations and cultures. You really can't demand or expect other people to live up to standards or ideals that you, yourself, do not.
[edited out additional and unnecessary commentary about unnecessary commentary]
Me neither. The definition of hubris is 'excessive pride or self-confidence.' Sound familiar Mr. 'with those odds?' I've never seen so many 'proud, tough men' scared of needles. :shucks:
That the best you've got? veiled insults? all I'm saying is, If you want to get the Vaccine get it, if you don't, then don't. Either way I don't really care. What chaps my hide is people like you who are arrogant enough to "think" they know what's best for everyone and then tries to belittle them into compliance.
That the best you've got? veiled insults? all I'm saying is, If you want to get the Vaccine get it, if you don't, then don't. Either way I don't really care. What chaps my hide is people like you who are arrogant enough to "think" they know what's best for everyone and then tries to belittle them into compliance.
You're chapping your own hide. If you feel 'belittled' in this online conversation by things I've posted it's on your own conscience. I haven't once even hinted that you should get the vaccine or wear a mask. I merely suggested that rather than prove a point by endangering others ... those that insist the virus and vaccine are of no concern (or are of a dangerous origin, themselves) take their convictions to the grave instead of the hospital (where there are people trying to survive the madness thrust upon them by others).
I'm not going to go out of my way to candy coat that pill for you (or anyone) but it's not personally delivered to you to bruise your feelings. You can walk away from the dish and pretend it ain't there. AAMOF, I think you have that skill exemplified. :shucks:
nikimcbee
08-19-21, 10:37 PM
Best press conference to date.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKoMHJ0IzK0
Onkel Neal
08-20-21, 11:36 AM
Something Is Wrong with the President
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/something-is-wrong-with-the-president/
This is a highly unusual schedule for a president during a foreign-policy crisis.
After making no public appearances for four days — during a major foreign crisis — President Biden read a 20-minute speech off a teleprompter on Monday afternoon and took no questions. He immediately returned to Camp David. He had no events on his schedule Tuesday. On Wednesday, he gave another 20-minute speech about vaccine boosters off a teleprompter from Camp David, and again took no questions. Also on Wednesday, the president sat for an on-camera interview with George Stephanopoulos that did not go well. According to the White House public records, Biden has had two phone conversations with foreign leaders in the past ten days — one with Boris Johnson and one with Angela Merkel.
iden is now insisting that the chaos of a Taliban takeover was inevitable, even though he stood before the country on July 8 and specifically assured the country that a Taliban takeover was not inevitable:
Q: Is a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan now inevitable?
THE PRESIDENT: No, it is not.
Q: Why?
THE PRESIDENT: Because you — the Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban. It is not inevitable.
Biden also said that day that, “I trust the capacity of the Afghan military, who is better trained, better equipped, and more re- — more competent in terms of conducting war” and “the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.”
His lack of mental cognizance is getting significantly worse. Handover of the office by the end of the year.
Elsewhere in the Stephanopoulos interview, Biden insisted that, contrary to published reports, his military advisers had not recommended keeping 2,500 troops in the country:
STEPHANOPOULOS: But your top military advisors warned against withdrawing on this timeline. They wanted you to keep about 2,500 troops.
BIDEN: No, they didn’t. It was split. Tha– that wasn’t true. That wasn’t true.
STEPHANOPOULOS: They didn’t tell you that they wanted troops to stay?
BIDEN: No. Not at — not in terms of whether we were going to get out in a timeframe all troops. They didn’t argue against that.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So no one told — your military advisors did not tell you, “No, we should just keep 2,500 troops. It’s been a stable situation for the last several years. We can do that. We can continue to do that”?
BIDEN: No. No one said that to me that I can recall.
There are notes of these meetings that can be declassified. We can see if, as the Wall Street Journal and other publications reported, “The president’s top generals, including Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Mark Milley, urged Mr. Biden to keep a force of about 2,500 troops, the size he inherited, while seeking a peace agreement between warring Afghan factions, to help maintain stability. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who previously served as a military commander in the region, said a full withdrawal wouldn’t provide any insurance against instability.” If they did not, Biden is telling the truth and there’s been an insane effort by Pentagon brass leaking that they’re warning the president of about certain dangers, and then not doing so in the meetings.
Biden genuinely does not remember what was said and recommended to him in a meeting several months ago.
His lack of mental cognizance is getting significantly worse. Handover of the office by the end of the year.
President Kamala Harris is a very frightening thought. I don't think our nation would survive it.
Whether he's suffering from something psychological I can't say what I can say is. It's only the VP who can remove him from office.
Even if a majority in the Senate or the Congress vote for remove Biden due to his psychological illness they can't do anything without VP approval.
(I could remember it wrong)
Markus
Whether he's suffering from something psychological I can't say what I can say is. It's only the VP who can remove him from office.
Even if a majority in the Senate or the Congress vote for remove Biden due to his psychological illness they can't do anything without VP approval.
(I could remember it wrong)
Markus
Sorta. The VP along with a majority of the Cabinet can remove a president under the 25th amendment but Congress holds the power of impeachment. Two totally separate actions but only the first requires the VPs involvement although both would put him in the oval office.
Where was all this concern over presidential cognitive ability during the previous administration where it was actually obvious from day one? Huh.
Where was all this concern over presidential cognitive ability during the previous administration where it was actually obvious from day one? Huh.
That's because it all turned out to be more partisan lies whereas Bidens problems are real enough for everyone to see.
That's because it all turned out to be more partisan lies whereas Bidens problems are real enough for everyone to see.
:har:
Explain that to your grandchildren ... though someday they may have to explain you to others. :shucks:
Sorta. The VP along with a majority of the Cabinet can remove a president under the 25th amendment but Congress holds the power of impeachment. Two totally separate actions but only the first requires the VPs involvement although both would put him in the oval office.
True but as Platapus told me once the Cabinet can't solely remove a President without the VP's approval.
And which VP would put a knife in his/her chefs back.
Markus
True but as Platapus told me once the Cabinet can't solely remove a President without the VP's approval.
And which VP would put a knife in his/her chefs back.
Markus
The two methods of removal are:
1. If the Vice President and a majority of the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, submit their written declaration to Congress that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
2. Upon impeachment and conviction of an impeachable offence (wearing a tan suit doesn't count) the POTUS is removed from office and the VP becomes President. The only way the Republican party would pursue such would be if they could simultaneously impeach the POTUS, VP and Speaker of the House (currently).
I stand corrected and hopefully remember it for future discussion.
Markus
Skybird
08-20-21, 01:27 PM
Biden suffers from cognitive and intellectual decline due to age.
Trump suffers from peronality disorder, he has a psychopathic personality. Existence of any intellectual capabilities are unknown, proven only is the lack of scruples and moral standards, which is a symptom of psychopathic personality disorder.
The first turns into an idiot. The latter always has been a - malicious - idiot.
3catcircus
08-20-21, 01:31 PM
Biden suffers from cognitive and intellectual decline due to age.
Trump suffers from peronality disorder, he has a psychopathic personality. Existence of any intellectual capabilities are unknown, proven only is the lack of scruples and moral standards, which is a symptom of psychopathic personality disorder.
The first turns into an idiot. The latter always has been a - malicious - idiot.
A psychopath who protects his nation's interests is far better than a guy in mental decline who should be in a care home.
A psychopath who protects his nation's interests is far better than a guy in mental decline who should be in a care home.
Trump never once cared about nor protected U.S. interests, much less understood them. Anything Biden does is, by default, better. Could it be even better? Yes. But sour grapes delusional comparison is just a diaper jig. :O:
Skybird
08-20-21, 01:53 PM
A psychopath who protects his nation's interests
A psychopath who cares for anyone else than just himself is by definition a contradiction in itself. To only care for himself is what makes a psychopath a psychopath. ;) Even more, he lacks the ability to care for others. He is not able to feel empathy as well.
Interesting discussion
Did the ex president care more for the country than himself or did he only care for himself ?
Well it depends on who you ask.
Markus
3catcircus
08-20-21, 02:11 PM
Interesting discussion
Did the ex president care more for the country than himself or did he only care for himself ?
Well it depends on who you ask.
Markus
No bodies falling from airplanes or flapping in the breeze at 30,000 ft stuck in gear doors when Trump was President...
After attacks on the US Embassy, Soleimani got turned into a fine red mist when Trump was President...
Ambassadors weren't beaten to death by angry mobs in Benghazi when Trump was President...
North Korea's Dear Leader agreed to show up to a diplomatic table with the US when Trump was President...
US Navy personnel didn't cower after being taken hostage by Iranians when Trump was President...
Gasoline was less than $2/gallon when Trump was President...
Hordes of illegal aliens weren't swarming over the Mexican border when Trump was President...
But hey, no mean tweets anymore from a President...
"Ambassadors weren't beaten to death by angry mobs in Benghazi when Trump was President..."
Makes one wonder
How would Trump have reacted if it had happened during his term in the White House ?
Markus
Politics became a 'sport' to so many in this nation decades ago. It's all 'rah rah my team this' and 'our candidate rules and yours drools that' in a sad spectacle of sophomoric displays that care more about party than nation. The Republicans have taken it to the extreme, having given up all precedence of forming a worthwhile platform to serve their constituents (as has become terribly obvious during this pandemic). That's not to say that Democrats, individually, are good public servants, one and all ... but, as a party, their progressive ideology obviously centers on the working class and general well-being of the nation. Where Republicans are reflecting that the party is merely a political extension of a wealthy and powerful white ruling class that feels threatened by anything that might balance the scales of justice, equality or social fairness. White Christian male supremacy is their brand of preferred culture and fear their driving force.
Was it always this way? Of course not. Any student of history can see the shift that began in the twentieth century. Even in Eisenhower's time in office moderate Republicans were struggling to reign in extremism that had infested their party. Now, however, an actual Republican 'public servant' is hard to find. The 'what-aboutism' mindset of the GOP is quicker to look for fault in their Democratic, Liberal colleagues than to address their own glaring faults. That has become their apparent sole function in office and is a shame.
Being brought up in the sixties and having served during the Cold War, I never thought I'd see Republican politics devolve to:
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/txZHUXVS8Yvn1gvYhKIktqttfRk=/1400x1050/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11932223/Dj2e0w9VAAAraKs.jpg
But Trump era politics easily ushered it in, revealing the twisted nature of its peculiar base's psychology.
I don't want to hear false 'Americanism' from people like that.
No bodies falling from airplanes or flapping in the breeze at 30,000 ft stuck in gear doors when Trump was President...
After attacks on the US Embassy, Soleimani got turned into a fine red mist when Trump was President...
Ambassadors weren't beaten to death by angry mobs in Benghazi when Trump was President...
North Korea's Dear Leader agreed to show up to a diplomatic table with the US when Trump was President...
US Navy personnel didn't cower after being taken hostage by Iranians when Trump was President...
Gasoline was less than $2/gallon when Trump was President...
Hordes of illegal aliens weren't swarming over the Mexican border when Trump was President...
But hey, no mean tweets anymore from a President...
None of which (even the exaggerated part), except for the tweets, had anything to do with the actions of Trump, while 'in office.'*
*(Mar-a-lago, Trump property golf courses, on a pee pee bed.)
3catcircus
08-20-21, 02:42 PM
"Ambassadors weren't beaten to death by angry mobs in Benghazi when Trump was President..."
Makes one wonder
How would Trump have reacted if it had happened during his term in the White House ?
Markus
It never would have happened under his watch - rogue states took pause over concerns as to what Trump might have done, if for no other reason than he was not an entrenched politician who played international affairs the way that they expected. Iran saw what happened to Soleimani. Kim Jong-Un saw that his sabre rattling didn't work. China was *losing* his trade war under covid hit.
Essentially, many in the world were like, "We don't know what this guy might do."
Essentially, many in the world were like, "We don't know what this guy might do."
Those many included our long-time trusted allies.
3catcircus
08-20-21, 02:53 PM
None of which (even the exaggerated part), except for the tweets, had anything to do with the actions of Trump, while 'in office.'*
*(Mar-a-lago, Trump property golf courses, on a pee pee bed.)
How unobservant are you? All of the things I listed, I did so for the purpose of illustrating exactly how stable the world actually was when he was in office.
He was brash. He was offensively honest with staffers. He got sh!t done where he could. Imagine how much better we would have been if he didn't have to deal with entrenched political resistance from Obama holdovers, lifer politicians in uniform, RINOs, the media, and communist democrats. Trump's only mistakes were in not firing every holdover he could on day one and in selecting people who turned out to be backstabbers.
We don't need polished, effete elitist political class-types running government. We need people who get things done. We don't need media with a clear bias. We need reporters who investigate, regardless of whether a D or R is after a politician's name. We're don't need career pols. We're need people who get no perks or lifetime benefits to getting re-elected.
As to the piss dossier - it's been thoroughly disproven. Unlike Hunter's multiple lost laptops and pics of him smoking crack and molesting underage girls.
The reason they Hunter laptop was hidden away? Because it is true and damning, and it means the "The Big Guy" is wide open to blackmail from other governments.
3catcircus
08-20-21, 02:55 PM
Those many included our long-time trusted allies.
Yeah, and? Even our "allies" are suspect.
Yeah, and? Even our "allies" are suspect.
Said like a fine Putin-puppet. :up:
How unobservant are you? All of the things I listed, I did so for the purpose of illustrating exactly how stable the world actually was when he was in office.
Wasn't there a civil war in Syria during his term and didn't Russia bomb in Syria as they feel fit.
Wasn't there a massive riots in US cities
Could remember wrong though.
Markus
Wasn't there a civil war in Syria during his term and didn't Russia bomb in Syria as they feel fit.
Wasn't there a massive riots in US cities
Could remember wrong though.
Markus
Well, those would be 'inconvenient' to admit. After all, he's praising his 'messiah.' :03:
3catcircus
08-20-21, 03:47 PM
Wasn't there a civil war in Syria during his term and didn't Russia bomb in Syria as they feel fit.
Wasn't there a massive riots in US cities
Could remember wrong though.
Markus
Sure, but that isn't an area where the US has a significant presence (i. e. conventional troops and significant infrastructure). We have no idea what things SOF did in those regions to prevent worse things happening. Doesn't mean we should be there to begin with, but that's a different argument.
As to riots - I have no earthly idea why antifa thugs and other rioters weren't arrested in many cases. Why those that were arrested weren't always charged. And why those charged got slaps on the wrists. Even when they already had open warrants for prior criminal acts. I can only note that they were in areas where the municipality is run by Democrats and where the district or state attorneys are Democrats.
I also have no idea why federal law enforcement wasn't allowed to respond when it was on federal property.
It's almost like. Wait for it... That is was an organized effort to make the Trump admin look bad. You don't hear about widespread riots in area where the populace or the local sheriff aren't afraid to dig a hole to dump rioters' bodies...
If I were there police commissioner in Minny or Portland or Seattle, I'd not have forced the police to do nothing. They have been ordered to not use tear gas, tasers, nightsticks, etc. on a group of people paid to wreak havoc.
Unfortunately, no politician wants to be the guy who ordered another Kent State, but the sad fact is that we need leftist antifa rioters to be killed. Most of them are entitled upper middle class white kids who haven't been required to support themselves. These aren't people who have any legitimate grievances. Kill a half dozen of the worst in the midst of a riot, arrest the rest of them, and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. The prospect of decades in prison getting cornholed and beaten would likely motivate some of them to turn in their controllers - follow them on up and destroy the organized opposition PACs - all roads lead to ActBlue, Soros, etc.
The US *is* that far gone that we need a complete reset back to 1950s values of citizenship, sense of personal responsibility, public decency, and a sense of shame for shameless acts, in the face of 40+ years of Marxist infiltration of government, industry, and academia.
3catcircus
08-20-21, 03:50 PM
Well, those would be 'inconvenient' to admit. After all, he's praising his 'messiah.' :03:
Messiah? Hardly. Just a guy that didn't suck as much as the guy before him or after him.
Messiah? Hardly. Just a guy that didn't suck as much as the guy before him or after him.
Except for Putin's pud. :up:
Sure, but that isn't an area where the US has a significant presence (i. e. conventional troops and significant infrastructure). We have no idea what things SOF did in those regions to prevent worse things happening. Doesn't mean we should be there to begin with, but that's a different argument.
As to riots - I have no earthly idea why antifa thugs and other rioters weren't arrested in many cases. Why those that were arrested weren't always charged. And why those charged got slaps on the wrists. Even when they already had open warrants for prior criminal acts. I can only note that they were in areas where the municipality is run by Democrats and where the district or state attorneys are Democrats.
I also have no idea why federal law enforcement wasn't allowed to respond when it was on federal property.
It's almost like. Wait for it... That is was an organized effort to make the Trump admin look bad. You don't hear about widespread riots in area where the populace or the local sheriff aren't afraid to dig a hole to dump rioters' bodies...
If I were there police commissioner in Minny or Portland or Seattle, I'd not have forced the police to do nothing. They have been ordered to not use tear gas, tasers, nightsticks, etc. on a group of people paid to wreak havoc.
Unfortunately, no politician wants to be the guy who ordered another Kent State, but the sad fact is that we need leftist antifa rioters to be killed. Most of them are entitled upper middle class white kids who haven't been required to support themselves. These aren't people who have any legitimate grievances. Kill a half dozen of the worst in the midst of a riot, arrest the rest of them, and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
The US *is* that far gone that we need a complete reset back to 1950s values of citizenship, sense of personal responsibility, public decency, and a sense of shame for shameless acts, in the face of 40+ years of Marxist infiltration of government, industry, and academia.
Just gonna leave some reality here:
https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/w2304/public/images/2021/01/file-20210108-21-lkk5io.jpg?itok=0Juztn3-
Thank you 3catcircus for your reply. Why I replied to one of your comment was this sentence
"how stable the world actually was"
And the world was more than stable during Trumps term in the White House.
Then we can discuss if the world was more stable than unstable under his term versus stable/unstable under Obama.
Markus
3catcircus
08-20-21, 04:14 PM
Just gonna leave some reality here:
https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/w2304/public/images/2021/01/file-20210108-21-lkk5io.jpg?itok=0Juztn3-
Except that's not. That gallows? About 5 feet tall. You might be able to hang a few dwarves.
Here's that same gallows, in perspective...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5XhN2WXMAIQQjK.jpg
(Because anti-fascists should be shot on sight?) :up:
Rockstar
08-21-21, 04:55 PM
https://youtu.be/Bgj0fjPQeyg
No I haven't seen these two video clip above me. I will nevertheless ask you
How trustworthy are they ?
I know it depends on who you ask.
Markus
Otto Harkaman
08-22-21, 10:33 AM
Did I tell you about the time I ran over bad dude Corn Pop, while driving an 18-wheeler hauling anthracite coal I had mined myself?
:woot:
AVGWarhawk
08-23-21, 02:30 PM
Did I tell you about the time I ran over bad dude Corn Pop, while driving an 18-wheeler hauling anthracite coal I had mined myself?
:woot:
:har::har:
Blinken Is Asked, 'Does the President Not Know What's Going On?' His Answer Is Troubling.
I think this is becoming more undeniable every day.
From the article about the Afghanistan debacle:
"Press coverage has been so unremittingly negative for two reasons: Historically horrible execution of a consequential, high-profile policy, and a flurry obvious untruths in the damage control. Even if we set aside the stunning incompetence of the former failure, why has Biden compounded the problem with the latter messaging approach? Three options, as I see it: First, Biden is just lying. Deliberately and repeatedly, for political reasons, hoping the media will cover for him (not an unfounded hope, I should add, though it's not working on a disaster this unspinnable). Second, Biden's staff is keeping him in the dark, or at least partially shading harsh realities in their briefings. Third, Biden is fully briefed, but he is struggling to synthesize and retain information about these fast-moving events. To put it lightly, none of these scenarios inspire confidence."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/08/23/wallace-to-blinken-does-the-president-not-know-whats-going-on-n2594526?fbclid=IwAR2EMIn396RUWBET77IN78PUPHosPvLo HuP8S5leaA5Lan5TlMVD3mPdPYU
My guess is number 3.
They certainly do not but at least he doesn't make mean tweets about his political enemies, right?
Jimbuna
08-24-21, 11:55 AM
I seldom enter the US Politics thread but I must admit I'm starting to worry about the mental health state of the POTUS
3catcircus
08-24-21, 05:55 PM
I seldom enter the US Politics thread but I must admit I'm starting to worry about the mental health state of the POTUS
It took you this long to wonder? Or you just haven't been following US politics?
For those of us who follow US politics, it was evident last spring/summer that Biden was mentally impaired because of his handlers "calling a lid" at noon every day and hiding him from crowds.
There are former staffers who have reported meetings to decide which brand of adult diapers he should wear so as to be less noticeable and of staffers tasked with picking up Alzheimer's medication for him under an assumed name.
Even if he wasn't mentally impaired, his inability to gather an actual crowd of supporters during the campaign trail is such a strong indication of a lack of voter enthusiasm that it was a very strong driver for the claims of a stolen election, especially when Trump rallies after Biden took office continue to draw massive crowds of supporters.
What we have going on is a feeble, incoherent emperor surrounded by sycophants concerned only with keeping him in office to maintain/advance their own power structures or sheltering him from the truth because he is unable to absorb the information and competently act upon it. Either way, the whole of those in power need to go. Whether it's the President and Vice President, cabinet members, Congressional lifers on their 12 term of office, unelected bureaucrats like Fauci or the head of the EPA or CDC, or activist SCOTUS judges - the US needs to clean house and put out to pasture every single government employee at every level of government.
Term limits for every elected position. No more Senior Executive Service positions. No more government/industry revolving door. No more lobbyists. No tenure. No lifetime benefits for elected officials and their families. No unions for government employees. Take the money and lack of requirements to perform out of government service since those who enter government service for the money/influence are the last people you want in government.
As an outsider I can't understand that there isn't any politicians among the Dem who has raised their voice. I know some Rep have done it.
Only reason must be...He beat this awful President and this was good.
Markus
As an outsider I can't understand that there isn't any politicians among the Dem who has raised their voice. I know some Rep have done it.
Only reason must be...He beat this awful President and this was good.
Markus
He did but there's another obvious reason.
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/biden-cognitive-decline-verbal-gaffes-high-approval-20210711.html
https://theconversation.com/faked-videos-shore-up-false-beliefs-about-bidens-mental-health-145975
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-06-17/column-trump-biden-campaign-election-health
3catcircus
08-24-21, 09:15 PM
He did but there's another obvious reason.
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/biden-cognitive-decline-verbal-gaffes-high-approval-20210711.html
https://theconversation.com/faked-videos-shore-up-false-beliefs-about-bidens-mental-health-145975
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-06-17/column-trump-biden-campaign-election-health
There's nothing obvious besides the authors' obvious bias. That and Occam's Razor: "His opponents faked videos; he's not really mentally-unfit. No, seriously. Just trust me. He's a good guy..."
There's nothing obvious besides the authors' obvious bias. That and Occam's Razor: "His opponents faked videos; he's not really mentally-unfit. No, seriously. Just trust me. He's a good guy..."
Bias? Funny how that works in a world where, comparatively speaking, those assaulting Biden's cognitive ability ... can't or won't admit theirs.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/19/politics/biden-mental-capacity-gop/index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dhs-withheld-july-intelligence-bulletin-calling-russian-attack/story?id=72747130
:hmmm:
Catfish
08-25-21, 02:52 AM
"What's the goal here? To raise doubts in voters' minds about Biden - and his age in particular. It might not have worked for Trump, but Republicans haven't given up.
The Point: This is the sort of gross, lowest-common-denominator politics that drive people away from public life. If Republicans have some sort of proof that Biden is declining, they should bring it forward. If they don't, they should stop doing what they're doing. Immediately."
On the other hand, if i were Biden I would call for legal action, a lawsuit of omission might be in order. Everyone purporting this would have to bring forward evidence, or shut up. Or face legal action and pay for it.
Cyborg322
08-25-21, 06:49 AM
"What's the goal here? To raise doubts in voters' minds about Biden - and his age in particular. It might not have worked for Trump, but Republicans haven't given up.
The Point: This is the sort of gross, lowest-common-denominator politics that drive people away from public life. If Republicans have some sort of proof that Biden is declining, they should bring it forward. If they don't, they should stop doing what they're doing. Immediately."
On the other hand, if i were Biden I would call for legal action, a lawsuit of omission might be in order. Everyone purporting this would have to bring forward evidence, or shut up. Or face legal action and pay for it.
DJT has team of people creating "evidence" on an industrial scale which his followers blindly follow.He can afford to waste cash on bent lawyers. Legal action in politics has proven to be impotent in any case.
Simon
u crank
08-25-21, 07:55 AM
"What's the goal here? To raise doubts in voters' minds about Biden - and his age in particular. It might not have worked for Trump, but Republicans haven't given up.
The senility part is worrisome, but that I don't think is the big issue. The incompetence shown by the Biden administration in just seven months is obvious and that is the elephant in the room. Biden is dragging the Democrats to a disastrous 2022 midterm election. And his media allies are starting to notice.
3catcircus
08-25-21, 08:56 AM
"What's the goal here? To raise doubts in voters' minds about Biden - and his age in particular. It might not have worked for Trump, but Republicans haven't given up.
The Point: This is the sort of gross, lowest-common-denominator politics that drive people away from public life. If Republicans have some sort of proof that Biden is declining, they should bring it forward. If they don't, they should stop doing what they're doing. Immediately."
On the other hand, if i were Biden I would call for legal action, a lawsuit of omission might be in order. Everyone purporting this would have to bring forward evidence, or shut up. Or face legal action and pay for it.
That'll never happen because it would force discovery of evidence of Biden's cognitive decline.
3catcircus
08-25-21, 09:03 AM
The senility part is worrisome, but that I don't think is the big issue. The incompetence shown by the Biden administration in just seven months is obvious and that is the elephant in the room. Biden is dragging the Democrats to a disastrous 2022 midterm election. And his media allies are starting to notice.
The tone-deafness is insane.
We're at the point where the following actually had to happen:
1. Civilians and concerned off-duty military relaying air traffic control around the world via social media DM:
https://warisboring.com/21st-century-dunkirk-the-story-of-how-air-traffic-controllers-used-social-media-dms-to-help-rescue-friends-trapped-in-afghanistan/
2. A guy who goes by the name of TerminalCWO had to set up a website to try and help **US Citizens** evacuate because the State Department isn't doing their jobs.
Rockstar
08-26-21, 05:47 PM
https://youtu.be/4KfYqhzSxCk
Buddahaid
08-26-21, 11:37 PM
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/8895/bVIipy.jpg
Rockstar
08-27-21, 09:29 AM
I wonder if Trevor Noah and his team of heroes are willing to defend their worship of Democrat governor rapists? (@5:29 for Trevor)
https://youtu.be/HCLSrADR7Mg
Putting this here because although it talks about the Afghanistan debacle it puts it in the framework of this Democratic administrations horrible degree of incompetence.
"There’s a maxim in sports that you are not as good as you look when you win, or as bad as you look when you lose. It aims to give athletes an even-keel attitude instead of riding an emotional roller coaster.
No doubt there are Democrats and well-meaning others giving similar advice now to the Biden White House. The president’s team is understandably shaken by the horrific events in Afghanistan and must fear it will never regain its footing and public trust.
But what if the sports approach isn’t valid in this case? What if the Biden team is every bit as bad as it looks?
Having been in office eight months, its successes are so minimal and its mistakes so glaring that doubts exist across the political spectrum about whether the president is up to the job. The doubts recall warnings about Biden from two people who know him best.
“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f- -k things up,” Barack Obama reportedly said.
Then there’s Robert Gates’ charge that Biden “has been wrong on nearly every major foreign-policy and national-security issue over the past four decades.”
Such devastating views take on added significance in light of Biden’s obvious frailties and cognitive decline. The resulting leadership vacuum is so apparent that a well-connected Dem who asked a White House confidant how Biden could have chosen such an uninspiring roster of top aides was told Biden didn’t make the choices.
(Bolding mine)
Similar reports of a detached president and a staff-run administration have ricocheted around Washington from the very start, but the Afghanistan debacle has crystallized concerns. They were bolstered by the picture of the president at his Thursday news conference that swept across the world.
Near tears at one point, Biden was seen hunched over the podium, clutching his briefing binder with both hands, his face a sea of grief. My first thought was that he looked like a beaten man.
My second thought was that beaten men make terrible presidents and disastrous commanders in chief.
Virtually every president has suffered the anguish of visiting wounded soldiers and consoling grieving families. It’s the worst possible part of the job, but is bearable when the lives lost have been in service to a thoroughly planned, well-defined military objective.
The bloody events in Kabul had none of those virtues. Biden’s arrogant inflexibility about leaving on an arbitrary deadline and the serial failures in planning and execution are leading even some Gold Star parents to denounce him.
“I blame my own military leaders,” said Steve Nikoui, whose 20-year-old son, Kareem, was among the 13 service members killed Thursday. “Biden turned his back on him.”
Later, he told Tucker Carlson on Fox News, “From what I saw, the airport they were in, it looked like a turkey shoot.”
Presidential scandals inevitably involve wrongdoing, but the scandal of the Biden White House comes with a twist. Its wrongdoing grows out of sheer incompetence.
True, Biden lied frequently, as when he said our allies supported his exit plan even as they publicly opposed him. He lied when he said all his commanders supported his plan when that, too, is demonstrably false.
But the lies, bad as they were, were cheap efforts to shift the blame after the Kabul airport had turned into the Alamo.
The real sin was imposing his determination to quit the war in a haphazard rush, which created a deathtrap for our troops and the 170 Afghans killed in the attack.
One move especially stands out — the decision to trust some airport security to the Taliban, a terrorist group that gave safe haven to Osama bin Laden. It defies comprehension, yet some in the military call Taliban fighters “our partners,” a phrase usually reserved for allies, not enemies.
The apparently successful strike early Saturday against the ISIS masterminds of the attack is certainly welcome, but brings no consolation. Nor does revenge against nameless fiends salvage anything about a mission that will end in disgrace and leave hundreds of American citizens and tens of thousands of Afghan allies and their families at the mercy of the Taliban, al Qaeda and ISIS.
Not so long ago, Biden promised repeatedly to evacuate all Americans who wanted to go and all Afghans who helped us, along with others deemed “vulnerable” under the Taliban. Now we’re leaving on schedule, the promises another casualty of the president’s fixation on getting the troops out, regardless of the circumstances.
Although another successful attack in the remaining days would almost certainly sink the Biden presidency, avoiding one will not necessarily save it. The evidence is already sky high that, after our departure, Afghanistan will again become what it was on 9/11 — a safe haven for anti-American terrorists.
Moreover, The Post’s Saturday story (https://nypost.com/2021/08/27/taliban-kill-squad-hunting-afghans-with-americas-biometric-data/) by two journalists from Zenger News depicts another chilling result of the hasty withdrawal. Reporters Siddharthya Roy and Richard Miniter show how a Taliban death squad is using American hand-held scanners and an American biometric database to identify Afghans who worked with our military or NATO.
The devices and database, which the military failed to destroy, give Afghans no way to hide their identities, making them easy targets for execution.
As the reporters note, that operation is separate from one where the US gave Taliban officials a list of Americans and Afghans it wanted to get through checkpoints so they could be evacuated. Biden acknowledged that such lists may have existed, and one defense official told Politico the program put the remaining Afghans “on a kill list.”
Biden justifies his decision to end our presence in Afghanistan by citing public support for the move. But the deaths of 13 young heroes are roiling the nation and polls are turning with a vengeance on the president.
The lesson is an old one that Biden should have known. Americans don’t like war, but they absolutely hate to see their sons and daughters needlessly slaughtered.
https://nypost.com/2021/08/28/in-the-midst-of-a-white-house-breakdown-goodwin/
So you have had Dem and Rep in charge the last 20 years.
Which indicate for me that both messed it up and not only one party
Markus
Otto Harkaman
08-29-21, 10:46 AM
So you have had Dem and Rep in charge the last 20 years.
Which indicate for me that both messed it up and not only one party
Markus
No no no that is conspiracy talk, there is no UNI-PARTY both are very different
https://onceuponascreen.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/battlefield.jpg
Yes they are different in their politics. But both have been in charge the last 20 years.
Markus
Otto Harkaman
08-29-21, 11:25 AM
Yes they are different in their politics. But both have been in charge the last 20 years.
Markus
I was making a joke Markus by referring to an old Star Trek episode "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield_(episode)
In my opinion, its probably more correct to say that both parties have been hampered by the same defense and intelligence bureaucracies that think they are actually running the country not the elected officials of the people for the last 20 years. aka "The Swamp" or perhaps "The Deep State"
But that is B.S. Biden was forced into withdrawal by Trump, he could have issued one of his infamous "Executive Orders" to overturn everything and set his own agenda.
But that is B.S. Biden was forced into withdrawal by Trump, he could have issued one of his infamous "Executive Orders" to overturn everything and set his own agenda.
Trump had us gone by May. It's the end of August and we're still there. Biden IS following his own agenda.
Otto Harkaman
08-29-21, 12:17 PM
Biden IS following his own agenda.
touché
A question
Did Trump do the wrong thing when he started the negotiation with the Taleban about American withdraw from Afghanistan ?
If it was an incorrect way of doing it, who should he have negotiated with instead ?
Has Biden as his successor taken the situation seriously from day 1 in the Oval office ?
Markus
Has Biden as his successor taken the situation seriously from day 1 in the Oval office ?
Markus
I think it's evident that he did not. There is no justifiable reason for this to have gone the way it did.
Rockstar
08-29-21, 03:49 PM
As previously mentioned nobody wants to be in Afghanistan. Initially over 90% of the population approved of operations there. These days less than 25% think we should stay. It has become politically untenable to remain. We should have left in May first as originally planned.
The purpose of a war isn’t to nation build, rescue people or hand out candy to children. Its purpose is to eradicate the enemy to remove all memory of their existence in one terrible bloody unforgiving relentless onslaught as quickly and painlessly as possible. Not to play games for twenty years so few can profit from it.
Get out now and let it burn, I don’t give a rats arse about Afghanistan.
Had Trump been reelected his plans and timetables would have proceeded uninterrupted. They should have anyways but when the Dems came into power the first thing they did was derail and discontinue everything Trump had ordered. I'll bet that the withdrawal plans was one of them.
That's why they ignored the warnings from the generals and the intelligence people until it was too late.
They're bragging about how many they have gotten out so far but they ignore how many more that will get left behind because of their incompetence. They won't be able to ignore it forever. Somebody will have to take the fall for this but they had better be careful about picking their scapegoat. Those generals and intel types are likely to have documented their warnings and go public with them if they get thrown under the bus.
I seem to recall what the Danish journalist said in the news some days ago.
"The intelligent service told Biden in July that in would take month before Taliban had taken control over the country."
I could of course have remembered wrong though.
Markus
Buddahaid
08-29-21, 06:59 PM
Had Trump been reelected his plans and timetables would have proceeded uninterrupted...
That is just speculation.
That is just speculation.
Most all of August's public T worship is. :shucks:
That is just speculation.
As it turned out so was the Trump Russia scandal.
That is just speculation. Face it, Biden screwed the pooch on this one, period.
Buddahaid
08-29-21, 10:15 PM
Face it, Biden screwed the pooch on this one, period.
In your opinion. I'm not convinced
In your opinion. I'm not convincedReally?? What kind of "leader" pulls the last 1500 troops out of a war zone while leaving 6000 of his civilian citizens there to fend for themselves, and then 6 weeks later has to send 6000 troops back in to rescue the people he left behind?
Because of BIDENS BUNGLEING, there are 13 American service members and 170 Afghan civilians who are now dead.
Catfish
08-30-21, 02:46 AM
Really?? What kind of "leader" pulls the last 1500 troops out of a war zone while leaving 6000 of his civilian citizens there to fend for themselves, and then 6 weeks later has to send 6000 troops back in to rescue the people he left behind? [...]
Maybe because Trump tried to stop handing out Visas in 2020 so it all was postponed.. and Biden inherited the mess?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-visas-afghan-refugees-troye-b1906190.html
"A former White House Homeland Security official has accused the Trump administration of deliberately obstructing visa processing for US allies in Afghanistan.
[...]
Ms Troye went on to say that while Mr Pence was fully aware of the problem, it was impossible to make progress because Mr Trump and Mr Miller had “watchdogs in place” at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, State and security agencies to make the process even more difficult."
Now i am not sure whether this is true, but to me it perfectly fits into the policies of those days in 2020.
But in one thing you are right, if Trump was still potus there would be 6000 or so less Afghan helpers to be rescued because they would not even have received a visum.
That sounds like an excuse Catfish, and a weak one at that. There are only 2 ways this incident could have happened:
1. Biden was completely deceived by the Pentagon, State Department, and intel
Services
or
2. Biden completely ignored their assessments.
Either way, the U.S. made a mess of the withdrawal. :yeah:
Buddahaid
08-30-21, 09:31 AM
Or that the whole thing isn't as simple as some people are making it out to be, I mean if you think Trump could do it better, you really are oversimplifying.
That sounds like an excuse Catfish, and a weak one at that. There are only 2 ways this incident could have happened:
1. Biden was completely deceived by the Pentagon, State Department, and intel
Services
or
2. Biden completely ignored their assessments.
Either way, the U.S. made a mess of the withdrawal. :yeah:
It's number 1. I posted a comment about the Danish decision which was based on the intel they got from the Danish Defence intelligens in our Afghan thread.
In this the FE wrote that Kabul would not fall this year.
Markus
Buddahaid
08-30-21, 10:33 AM
Really?? What kind of "leader" pulls the last 1500 troops out of a war zone while leaving 6000 of his civilian citizens there to fend for themselves, and then 6 weeks later has to send 6000 troops back in to rescue the people he left behind?
Because of BIDENS BUNGLEING, there are 13 American service members and 170 Afghan civilians who are now dead.
Thirteen servicemen out of 6000 (5800) comes to a mortality rate of about 0.03% which far far below the 1.6% from Covid you so casually dismiss as acceptable for people who aren't placed in harms way.
Thirteen servicemen out of 6000 (5800) comes to a mortality rate of about 0.03% which far far below the 1.6% from Covid you so casually dismiss as acceptable for people who aren't placed in harms way.
It's thirteen people that didn't have to die and you ignore the thousands of Afghan casualties and the thousands more, including Americans, who will die in horrible manners because Biden and the people managing him messed this up so badly.
Anyone who helped those idiots into get office bears responsibility for this debacle.
Buddahaid
08-30-21, 04:44 PM
It's thirteen people that didn't have to die and you ignore the thousands of Afghan casualties and the thousands more, including Americans, who will die in horrible manners because Biden and the people managing him messed this up so badly.
Anyone who helped those idiots into get office bears responsibility for this debacle.
Again you base that on nothing but speculation and wishful thinking.
Again you base that on nothing but speculation and wishful thinking.
Are the 90 some odd Afghanis that died alongside those thirteen Americans also nothing but speculation? How about the dozen or so that dropped off our Aircraft as it took off. They just speculation too?
BTW what do you say to these scenes from Sundays service?
https://i.imgur.com/OtSITEe.jpg
Buddahaid
08-30-21, 05:29 PM
Are the 90 some odd Afghanis that died alongside those thirteen Americans also nothing but speculation? How about the dozen or so that dropped off our Aircraft as it took off. They just speculation too?
BTW what do you say to these scenes from Sundays service?
No I'm not saying that. I was reading into your comment that if people voted Trump these things wouldn't have happenned.
About the photo game. That means nothing to me as anybody can find photos to make a point.
3catcircus
08-30-21, 06:39 PM
No I'm not saying that. I was reading into your comment that if people voted Trump these things wouldn't have happenned.
About the photo game. That means nothing to me as anybody can find photos to make a point.
Stop making excuses for the Biden administration. They're all complete f&ck-ups who botched the withdrawal, doubled-down by drone striking children and families who supported the US, and just abandoned over 250 Americans and every military working dog in Kabul. And then declared victory.
They're all scumbags and they and everyone who support them need to go. I don't care if it's by impeachment, firing, resignation, or cancer.
Buddahaid
08-30-21, 07:20 PM
Stop making excuses for the Biden administration. They're all complete f&ck-ups who botched the withdrawal, doubled-down by drone striking children and families who supported the US, and just abandoned over 250 Americans and every military working dog in Kabul. And then declared victory.
They're all scumbags and they and everyone who support them need to go. I don't care if it's by impeachment, firing, resignation, or cancer.
Get over yourself.
Thirteen servicemen out of 6000 (5800) comes to a mortality rate of about 0.03% which far far below the 1.6% from Covid you so casually dismiss as acceptable for people who aren't placed in harms way.
Wow, don't strain yourself.
You're really reaching to try and equate a virus pandemic to a military operation. :lost:
This operation is over, Biden & crew can't salvage anything out of this. They can try and spin it, but that won't help, this played out in real time across the globe.
The Important thing is the next step going forward. Do we keep Biden for the next 41 months (hoping he doesn't screw things up beyond repair)? Or do we put Kalamity Harris in charge ( the VP who has been AWOL for 5 months after being put in charge of the border crisis)?
Buddahaid
08-30-21, 07:56 PM
Wow, don't strain yourself.
You're really reaching to try and equate a virus pandemic to a military operation. :lost:
This operation is over, Biden & crew can't salvage anything out of this. They can try and spin it, but that won't help, this played out in real time across the globe.
The Important thing is the next step going forward. Do we keep Biden for the next 41 months (hoping he doesn't screw things up beyond repair)? Or do we put Kalamity Harris in charge ( the VP who has been AWOL for 5 months after being put in charge of the border crisis)?
I didn't need to.
No I'm not saying that. I was reading into your comment that if people voted Trump these things wouldn't have happenned.
Well I think a pretty strong case can be made for it given the months of inaction followed by this frantic last minute dash for the door. From what I understand Trumps plan for withdrawal included retaining control of military bases and keeping the Taliban pinned in place.
Their big spring offensive may never even have gotten started had Trump still been applying pressure to them. Now that IS speculation! :) But the fact is that only once he was out of power did the Taliban begin their offensive and then Biden administration let it happen for months until here we are.
Buddahaid
08-30-21, 08:22 PM
Fair enough and that's the first comment that goes beyond just crapping on Biden and waving the Withdrawal for Dummies book.
I will temper that with Trump stalling the process by refusing Biden intelligence briefs after the election and during the transistion period. That certainly couldn't have helped matters.
Fair enough and that's the first comment that goes beyond just crapping on Biden and waving the Withdrawal for Dummies book.
I will temper that with Trump stalling the process by refusing Biden intelligence briefs after the election and during the transistion period. That certainly couldn't have helped matters.
I'll agree with you somewhat, although Biden was hardly kept in the dark about very much given his status a former Veep and half a century in government, but that impediment was eliminated on January 20th. Didn't you and I exchange some posts around that time about this very subject? What did he do from then until summer?
Anyways yeah I will agree that the acrimony on both sides has gotten to the point that it is now hurting the country.
3catcircus
08-30-21, 08:56 PM
Get over yourself.
Get over myself?
I've got several colleagues and their families who are currently trapped in Afghanistan. Don't tell me to get over myself.
Buddahaid
08-30-21, 10:14 PM
Get over myself?
I've got several colleagues and their families who are currently trapped in Afghanistan. Don't tell me to get over myself.
Thank you for explaining why you carry so much anger because it all just appears as anti Biden spite and Trump worship otherwise. I hope your friends can find that safe passage the Taliban are promising.
em2nought
08-31-21, 12:22 AM
"Why don't you pass the time by playing a little solitaire?" :03:
https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2020/07/27/200727-hunter_s878x599.jpg?6509c121012a30b44e954568dc26a7 0a816febd8
Otto Harkaman
08-31-21, 08:23 AM
Thirteen servicemen out of 6000 (5800) comes to a mortality rate of about 0.03% which far far below the 1.6% from Covid you so casually dismiss as acceptable for people who aren't placed in harms way.
That is really sick and twisted dude, why did you decide that you had to be the self appointed apologist (sin eater) of the Biden administration?
https://hauntedoc.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/viejos_comiendo_sopa-640x379-1.jpg
That is really sick and twisted dude, why did you decide that you had to be the self appointed apologist (sin eater) of the Biden administration?
Sick because the correlation is false or because it challenges your imagined perception of Biden/Democrats/Liberals et al (and kinda rubs it in your face)? :shucks:
https://i.imgur.com/s3DbgS1.jpg
Otto Harkaman
08-31-21, 09:08 AM
Sick because the correlation is false or because it challenges your imagined perception of Biden/Democrats/Liberals et al (and kinda rubs it in your face)? :shucks:
Arlo you have no idea who I am, you always rush to extreme stereotypes.
You and your alter ego seem to have the need to argue with everyone who is frustrated at the situation and thus they turn their frustration on you. Enjoy all that negative energy, that is what sin eaters use to do.
A sin-eater is a person who consumes a ritual meal in order to spiritually take on the sins of a deceased person. The food was believed to absorb the sins of a recently dead person, thus absolving the soul of the person. Sin-eaters, as a consequence, carried the sins of all people whose sins they had eaten.
Arlo you have no idea who I am, you always rush to extreme stereotypes.
You and your alter ego seem to have the need to argue with everyone who is frustrated at the situation and thus they turn their frustration on you. Enjoy all that negative energy, that is what sin eaters use to do.
A sin-eater is a person who consumes a ritual meal in order to spiritually take on the sins of a deceased person. The food was believed to absorb the sins of a recently dead person, thus absolving the soul of the person. Sin-eaters, as a consequence, carried the sins of all people whose sins they had eaten.
That's just weird, 'Otto.' Might oughta just concentrate on eating your own sin. Or whatever. :shucks:
3catcircus
08-31-21, 09:11 AM
Arlo you have no idea who I am, you always rush to extreme stereotypes.
You and your alter ego seem to have the need to argue with everyone who is frustrated at the situation and thus they turn their frustration on you. Enjoy all that negative energy, that is what sin eaters use to do.
A sin-eater is a person who consumes a ritual meal in order to spiritually take on the sins of a deceased person. The food was believed to absorb the sins of a recently dead person, thus absolving the soul of the person. Sin-eaters, as a consequence, carried the sins of all people whose sins they had eaten.
He's not a sin-eater. He's just a useful-idiot moron.
He's not a sin-eater. He's just a moron.
Not a particularly stinging barb, considering its from you. Ah, your quick edit attempting to equate me to Trump is kinda curious. :shucks:
Buddahaid
08-31-21, 09:17 AM
That is really sick and twisted dude, why did you decide that you had to be the self appointed apologist (sin eater) of the Biden administration?
Mostly because several people here have expressed the fantasy that if Trump was president the Afghanistan withdrawal would have been as organized and simple as lining up to enter a ballpark. All that is just a made up story based on wishful thinking and no more accurate than me stating it would have been ten times worse if Trump was in charge.
Was it a perfect withdrawel? No, it wasn't, but saying how it should have been done now that it has been done any fool can spout.
As far as being sick and twisted that's just your opinion and my point was made. Why do you value the US soldiers lives over US citizens lives?
The only different between Trump and Biden is the time of withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Had Trump won the election, the troops and ambassador+crew had left end April/May.
If there had been chaos at the airport if Trump had been in charge ? Very likely.
Remember it's not who's the President but the mentality of the Afghan people. They want to escape their country and they want to do so whether it's in April/May or Aug.
Markus
Otto Harkaman
08-31-21, 09:33 AM
Why do you value the US soldiers lives over US citizens lives?
By what formula of logic did you arrive at that conclusion?
By your reasoning US soldiers aren't US citizens?
US soldiers lives have no value?
I guess it all makes sense if you are a SS Doctor in a concentration camp or a scientist of Unit 731.
Buddahaid
08-31-21, 09:33 AM
The only different between Trump and Biden is the time of withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Had Trump won the election, the troops and ambassador+crew had left end April/May.
If there had been chaos at the airport if Trump had been in charge ? Very likely.
Remember it's not who's the President but the mentality of the Afghan people. They want to escape their country and they want to do so whether it's in April/May or Aug.
Markus
Trump said that was the date but it doesn't mean it would have happened that way.
The only different between Trump and Biden is the time of withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Had Trump won the election, the troops and ambassador+crew had left end April/May.
If there had been chaos at the airport if Trump had been in charge ? Very likely.
Remember it's not who's the President but the mentality of the Afghan people. They want to escape their country and they want to do so whether it's in April/May or Aug.
Markus
I'm looking forward to all of the alternate reality books that are bound to come to print explaining how if Trump had successfully destroyed democracy in the United States the world would have been so much better (we would have won the surrender in Afghanistan, Covid would have naturally ended, everyone would have turned Caucasian and grabbing pussy would have become America's pass time).
Buddahaid
08-31-21, 09:37 AM
By what formula of logic did you arrive at that conclusion?
By your reasoning US soldiers aren't US citizens?
US soldiers lives have no value?
I guess it all makes sense if you are an SS Doctor in a concentration camp or a scientist of Unit 731.
Read it again. I didn't say any of that and there you go making up stories based on nothing but conjecture.
What I tried to say was that it would have been chaos at the airport. Whoever is the President. And there's no doubt about it.
Markus
What I tried to say was that it would have been chaos at the airport. Whoever is the President. And there's no doubt about it.
Markus
Won't argue with that, sir. :yep:
Buddahaid
08-31-21, 09:45 AM
Arlo you have no idea who I am, you always rush to extreme stereotypes.
You and your alter ego seem to have the need to argue with everyone who is frustrated at the situation and thus they turn their frustration on you. Enjoy all that negative energy, that is what sin eaters use to do.
A sin-eater is a person who consumes a ritual meal in order to spiritually take on the sins of a deceased person. The food was believed to absorb the sins of a recently dead person, thus absolving the soul of the person. Sin-eaters, as a consequence, carried the sins of all people whose sins they had eaten.
What's the point in arguing (I don't mean fighting) about this if there is no counterpoint to keep it honest? I haven't once said Biden did a great job. I've pointed out how useless it is to say Trump would have done it better.
3catcircus
08-31-21, 10:13 AM
What I tried to say was that it would have been chaos at the airport. Whoever is the President. And there's no doubt about it.
Markus
Not necessarily. The military takes direction in a top-down manner. When the administration is a bunch of morons who provide no or conflicting direction, military leadership merely pushes that direction down there line without shooting any common sense. They're not the best war-fighters in the military, just the best bureaucrats.
You also can't deny the impact of the Department of State's ineptitude under the Biden admin - the evacuation was actually their rodeo, supported by military presence.
No - the entire Biden administration and the JCS military leadership are a bunch of incompetents more concerned about CYA in the face of their desire for a Sep 11 photo-op going completely pear-shaped. They don't understand the region, the culture, or the enemy. These a$$hole CIA and JCS were trying to teach wokeness and high-tech weapons systems to illiterate Afghan army recruits until just before the cut-and-run.
I think we can unequivocally state that even if this would have been chaotic under Trump, it would have been a hell of a lot less chaotic. It would have focused on US citizens first. It wouldn't have ignored actionable intel of an impending suicide bomber. It wouldn't have doubled-down on the stupid by drone-striking non-ISIS Afghans including multiple children burned beyond recognition. It wouldn't have stranded 100s of US citizens.
3catcircus
08-31-21, 10:15 AM
https://i.imgur.com/s3DbgS1.jpg
100,000 of whom. The majority of them aren't vetted and they're the equivalent of men disguised as women to clamber into the Titanic's lifeboats.
^^ Ok so the Afghan army would have fought bravely if Trump had been president.
The People in Kabul would have behaved orderly not rushing to the airport, trying to hang on the the wheel house a.s.o. If Trump had been the President.
No it wouldn't make any different.
Markus
3catcircus
08-31-21, 10:34 AM
^^ Ok so the Afghan army would have fought bravely if Trump had been president.
The People in Kabul would have behaved orderly not rushing to the airport, trying to hang on the the wheel house a.s.o. If Trump had been the President.
No it wouldn't make any different.
Markus
No one said the Afghans would fight bravely or the people would have not tried to rush the airport.
Under Trump - or *any* competent administration - we would have kept Bagram running, funneled US citizens and vetted Afghans through flights out of there, sent troops to escort them, and destroyed any military material that we weren't going to ship home.
Would they have been done by May under Trump? Maybe, maybe not. But he - or *any* competent administration - would have made it clear they were leaving on their timeline and would have a plan to kill every Taliban member who screwed with that process.
Volunteer former special forces soldiers should not have to be running rescue missions. They shouldn't also have the US Dept of State telling regional neighbors to not let them land aircraft. Random former military personnel should not have better Intel than the US government. Look, if the Biden admin is incompetent, that's one thing, but they shouldn't also be actively impeding people who can effect a rescue as well. Incompetence can be dealt with. Incompetence and evil, combined? Needs to be nuked from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
Rockstar
08-31-21, 10:42 AM
^^ Ok so the Afghan army would have fought bravely if Trump had been president.
The People in Kabul would have behaved orderly not rushing to the airport, trying to hang on the the wheel house a.s.o. If Trump had been the President.
No it wouldn't make any different.
Markus
No it would not have made a difference in Afghanistan. What changed was going from an immediate May 1st withdrawal. To extending the withdrawal to September 11th for a political party points. Only to find out in just a few weeks later and 170 more dead that sooner rather than later was actually a better idea.
We should have left long ago, long before May 1st, what happens in Afghanistan is up to the Afghans. Our military doesn’t exists to rescue people, build nations or for others to profit from. Get in kill the bad guys then get out, that didn’t happen. “War is a racket”
^^ Your comment made me remember what a journalist expert on American politics said day before yesterday.
Biden isn't fit for this task. He said a lot more about the Biden administration and Afghanistan But I remember the sentence Biden isn't fit for this task.
As I mentioned in a former post
American forces is destroying weapons that had been left during withdrawal. This was in a Danish article.
I still wonder how they would have solved the chaos at the airport though.
Markus
What I tried to say was that it would have been chaos at the airport. Whoever is the President. And there's no doubt about it.
Markus
Well as we know a major part of the chaos around the airport is because it is the only exit portal and that's because Biden and his handlers set it up that way. So while i'm sure a Trump exit plan would have its share of chaos too it would not have been anything like we're seeing with the Democrats in charge.
Well as we know a major part of the chaos around the airport is because it is the only exit portal and that's because Biden and his handlers set it up that way. So while i'm sure a Trump exit plan would have its share of chaos too it would not have been anything like we're seeing with the Democrats in charge.
Being an impressive strategist on everything related to the Afghanistan debacle, list the exit portals that should have been available and how (and how Trump, who couldn't even keep a casino in the black, would have shown 'his generals' how to do it). :shucks:
Mostly because several people here have expressed the fantasy that if Trump was president the Afghanistan withdrawal would have been as organized and simple as lining up to enter a ballpark. All that is just a made up story based on wishful thinking and no more accurate than me stating it would have been ten times worse if Trump was in charge.
Was it a perfect withdrawel? No, it wasn't, but saying how it should have been done now that it has been done any fool can spout.
As far as being sick and twisted that's just your opinion and my point was made. Why do you value the US soldiers lives over US citizens lives?
There is a right way and a wrong way to do certain things no matter who is in charge. Biden was in charge, He chose the wrong way. Speaking for myself, I have not speculated on whether Trump would have done better or not, I have focused on this incident and the man in charge of it.
Buddahaid
08-31-21, 01:09 PM
No one said the Afghans would fight bravely or the people would have not tried to rush the airport.
Under Trump - or *any* competent administration - we would have kept Bagram running, funneled US citizens and vetted Afghans through flights out of there, sent troops to escort them, and destroyed any military material that we weren't going to ship home.
Would they have been done by May under Trump? Maybe, maybe not. But he - or *any* competent administration - would have made it clear they were leaving on their timeline and would have a plan to kill every Taliban member who screwed with that process.
Volunteer former special forces soldiers should not have to be running rescue missions. They shouldn't also have the US Dept of State telling regional neighbors to not let them land aircraft. Random former military personnel should not have better Intel than the US government. Look, if the Biden admin is incompetent, that's one thing, but they shouldn't also be actively impeding people who can effect a rescue as well. Incompetence can be dealt with. Incompetence and evil, combined? Needs to be nuked from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
Competence may be harder to evaluate than I think you allow. It could be said that brigadier-general William Crozier was incompetent for the personal fight he had with Lewis over the light machine gun. It could be said that General of the Armies Pershing was incompetent for causing 11,000 casualties by ordering soldiers over the wire just hours before the armistice. It could be said the MacArthur was incompetent for lack of tactical knowhow leading to large casualties among Australian and US forces in the Papua New Guinea fighting.
3catcircus
08-31-21, 03:16 PM
Competence may be harder to evaluate than I think you allow. It could be said that brigadier-general William Crozier was incompetent for the personal fight he had with Lewis over the light machine gun. It could be said that General of the Armies Pershing was incompetent for causing 11,000 casualties by ordering soldiers over the wire just hours before the armistice. It could be said the MacArthur was incompetent for lack of tactical knowhow leading to large casualties among Australian and US forces in the Papua New Guinea fighting.
Just like the center of a Tootsie Pop - the world will never know.
3catcircus
08-31-21, 03:30 PM
^^ Your comment made me remember what a journalist expert on American politics said day before yesterday.
Biden isn't fit for this task. He said a lot more about the Biden administration and Afghanistan But I remember the sentence Biden isn't fit for this task.
As I mentioned in a former post
American forces is destroying weapons that had been left during withdrawal. This was in a Danish article.
I still wonder how they would have solved the chaos at the airport though.
Markus
Biden isn't just not fit for this task, he isn't fit for office. That was 100% obvious last summer to anyone who didn't have Trump Derangement Syndrome when his wranglers kept "calling a lid" before noon and limiting his personal interactions with the public. Dementia sufferers are well-known as being lucid early in the day and they drift into dementia as the day progresses.
Also, watch how he walks sometimes with his stuttering gait and short steps - classic dementia-sufferer symptom or potentially Parkinson's. Look up the term gait apraxia.
I've stated previously *how* to control the chaos. The troops on the ground are generally never the cause of problems - they've always done their jobs. It's a complete failure of leadership that is the problem - when indecisiveness or incompetence are in charge, well, you get what happened here in Kabul.
You keep typing 'Biden' then give an in depth description of Trump. But you don't see that, do you? :shucks:
Really, really, really :confused:
Why do you keep injecting Trump into a discussion about Biden and his actions? Is it because Biden has no defense and so deflection is your pis aller?
Really, really, really :confused:
Why do you keep injecting Trump into a discussion about Biden and his actions? Is it because Biden has no defense and so deflection is your pis aller?
Dunno, budro. Maybe because 'Biden's actions' aren't quite what you try to inflate them to be but you try to give Trump credit for things he hasn't done and ignore what he stupidly did. Maybe those attacking Biden in such a manner while slobber-worshipping his predecessor should consider actual critical thinking instead of what they think passes for such but .... fails.
Making up dung undercuts accurate criticism.
https://i.imgur.com/htNUWe7.jpg
I think the person to blame is me.
It was me who started this comparison between Biden and Trump.
I did not look at the stab in the White house, but how the Afghan people and their army have reacted.
Markus
Rockstar
08-31-21, 05:39 PM
https://i.imgur.com/htNUWe7.jpg
Ummm a Democratic Party controlled congress controls the cash flow they could have ended it along time ago. But they didn’t. Instead they just distract people with stupid memes deflecting blame.
I think the person to blame is me.
It was me who started this comparison between Biden and Trump.
I did not look at the stab in the White house, but how the Afghan people and their army have reacted.
Markus
Don't take the blame. :shucks:
Ummm a Democratic Party controlled congress controls the cash flow they could have ended it along time ago. But they didn’t. Instead they just distract people with stupid memes deflecting blame.
What congress controlled by the Democratic party from when?
u crank
08-31-21, 05:58 PM
On September 14, 2001, Senate Joint Resolution 23 (The Authorization for Use of Military Force) passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals in the Senate were: 98 Ayes, 0 Nays, 2 Present/Not Voting (Senators Larry Craig, R-ID, and Jesse Helms, R-NC).
On the same day The House passed House Joint Resolution 64. The totals in the House of Representatives were 420 ayes, 1 nay and 10 not voting. The sole nay vote was by Barbara Lee, D-CA.[9] Lee was the only member of either house of Congress to vote against the bill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/107th_United_States_Congress
So the 107th Congress (which could hardly be described as a 'controlled by the Democrat party') that decided to let Bush invade without a genuine declaration of war on a sovereign state is the example of the clash flow issue. :hmmm:
u crank
08-31-21, 07:03 PM
A Democrat President ended a war that Democrat Senators and Representatives voted almost unanimously to start.
Buddahaid
08-31-21, 07:18 PM
A Democrat President ended a war that Democrat Senators and Representatives voted almost unanimously to start.
Well there was that 9-11 thing that left plenty of good ol' boys wanting to kick some towel head ass.
u crank
08-31-21, 07:27 PM
Well there was that 9-11 thing that left plenty of good ol' boys wanting to kick some towel head ass.
Yep. And those good ol' boys (and girls) of both political affiliations voted to do just that.
A Democrat President ended a war that Democrat Senators and Representatives voted almost unanimously to start.
That all senators and representatives voted for with a few exceptions in a congress that was anything but (D) dominated. That's a very big difference from the blame claim made. It was also twenty years ago at the start of the mess which is also different from the blame claim.
u crank
08-31-21, 08:32 PM
When I was young and my brothers and I would get into trouble we would always try to blame each other for starting it. My Mother would say ... don't worry, there's plenty of blame to go around.
Rockstar
08-31-21, 08:39 PM
Well arlo, the thing about Congress and the Senate is any one of them could have said something. I assume you voted for someone to represent you in D.C.
What did the one you voted for say or do to end this debacle. What were your expectations of your representative and did they advance your will or did they just blow you off knowing you’ll just vote them in again?
What boils down is it’s YOU and your vote which allowed this to happen.
Buddahaid
08-31-21, 09:06 PM
What is the scope of that "this", the whole of Operation Enduring Freedom?
Talk about enduring....
A Democrat President ended a war that Democrat Senators and Representatives voted almost unanimously to start.
A war that the last Democrat President didn't manage to end in 8 whole years. :yep:
I assume you voted for someone to represent you in D.C.
What did the one you voted for say or do to end this debacle. What were your expectations of your representative and did they advance your will or did they just blow you off knowing you’ll just vote them in again?
What boils down is it’s YOU and your vote which allowed this to happen.
Regrettably, the people I voted for didn't win. Guess you once again presumed wrong. :shucks:
Rockstar
08-31-21, 10:41 PM
Regrettably, the people I voted for didn't win. Guess you once again presumed wrong. :shucks:
Your candidates had thoughts on this didn’t they? What was their plan to end the war in Afghanistan? Surely they had one that’s why you voted for them right? Please share what their plan was and how if more people voted for them they might have changed the course in Afghanistan or even prevent future U.S. military expansion.
Give it up Rockstar, Arlo's playing word games, not worth paying attention to.
Your candidates had thoughts on this didn’t they? What was their plan to end the war in Afghanistan? Surely they had one that’s why you voted for them right? Please share what their plan was and how if more people voted for them they might have changed the course in Afghanistan or even prevent future U.S. military expansion.
So you want me to play the speculation game, too? I'm fairly confident that they would have made better choices than those who got (re)elected. But hey, if we focus on those who made the clusterfudge what it is then how can we focus on those who didn't yet slam them for *ShruG* whatever? :shucks:
Give it up Rockstar, Arlo's playing word games, not worth paying attention to.
Def, your 'word games' aren't better. But ... please ... keep trying. :up:
Rockstar
08-31-21, 11:43 PM
So you want me to play the speculation game, too? I'm fairly confident that they would have made better choices than those who got n(re)elected. But hey, if we focus on those who made the clusterfudge what it is then how can we focus on those who didn't yet slam them for *ShruG* whatever? :shucks:
Speculation? I asked you a question about the persons you voted for and what the platform was they ran on regarding Afghanistan or future military expansion. I thought you might have had more to say about your candidates than you being just ‘fairly confident’ they might have better ideas. By that answer though it seems you don’t have a clue why you voted for them. Which IMO is exactly why as a nation we always find ourselves in places like Afghanistan, South America, Iraq, Syria, Africa and god knows where else dropping freedom and democracy bombs. :shucks: :roll:
Catfish
09-01-21, 01:49 AM
[...] By that answer though it seems you don’t have a clue why you voted for them. Which IMO is exactly why as a nation we always find ourselves in places like Afghanistan, South America, Iraq, Syria, Africa and god knows where else dropping freedom and democracy bombs. :shucks: :roll:
I have no idea what Arlo voted for and as in a democracy no one has to tell.
Apart from this i think the freedom and democracy bomb thing is just a thin disguise for politics to get hands on resources to make money with.
I somehow doubt that this is an especially "democrat" thing.
And if they are, they are not "left" at all; indeed i think there is no left wing party in the US.
If industry really swings away from oil there will be other precious resources like rare earths and so on in other countries to drop freedom bombs.. China comes to mind.
Skybird
09-01-21, 02:35 AM
Meanwhile Republican governed states where Reps fear they could lose future elections more likely change election rules to make it more difficult for voter groups likely to vote against them to even actually vote. Like gerrymandering, this is election rigging and an attempt to manipulate. It reveals an understanding of democracy that is not any different from that of the KP in China, Putin in Russia, or the SED in the GDR. These too have or had "free elections".
Skybird
09-01-21, 07:45 AM
Beware the Kraken.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.172.0_4.pdf
Speculation? I asked you a question about the persons you voted for and what the platform was they ran on regarding Afghanistan or future military expansion. I thought you might have had more to say about your candidates than you being just ‘fairly confident’ they might have better ideas. By that answer though it seems you don’t have a clue why you voted for them. Which IMO is exactly why as a nation we always find ourselves in places like Afghanistan, South America, Iraq, Syria, Africa and god knows where else dropping freedom and democracy bombs. :shucks: :roll:
If you can pull up a single 2020 Congressional candidate that had Afghanistan as part of their campaign platform (especially ending the war there) , please do. If not, then you're just playing performance theater. I know why I voted for/against specific candidates. It generally involved voting for someone who indicated some degree of actual care about their constituents and often involved repairing the nation, as a whole. Now do some spittle dancing about that. :shucks:
Rockstar
09-01-21, 08:19 AM
If you can pull up a single 2020 Congressional candidate that had Afghanistan as part of their campaign platform (especially ending the war there) , please do. If not, then you're just playing performance theater. I know why I voted for/against specific candidates. It generally involved voting for someone who indicated some degree of actual care about their constituents and often involved repairing the nation, as a whole. Now do some spittle dancing about that. :shucks:
Such a simple question and you don’t have a clue. You’re just another lonely troll that babbles on about absolutely nothing looking for attention. :har::har::har::har::har::har::har::shucks:
Such a simple question and you don’t have a clue. You’re just another lonely troll that babbles on about absolutely nothing looking for attention. :har::har::har::har::har::har::har::shucks:
I see you apparently couldn't point out a single candidate who ran on a platrform with a detailed Afghanistan exit strategy (whether you supported them or not). Next time try challenging someone else to do what you're capable of. Anyone can ...:har: on a forum. :shucks: (clown)
Rockstar
09-01-21, 08:46 AM
Putz
Rockstar
09-01-21, 08:51 AM
If the shoe fits
I see it was just you who responded
:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har: :har::har::har::shucks::up:
If the shoe fits
I see it was just you who responded
:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har: :har::har::har::shucks::up:
Who do you want to pretend to be having an exchange with, given nobody else was participating, at the time? Do you often go down these 'look how cunning I think I am' rabbit holes? :shucks:
Buddahaid
09-01-21, 10:16 AM
I don't remember seeing those candidates, or has this devolved?
I can see that the comments and pages who have been made since I logged out is a Domestic political discussion among my American friends.
So I stay out of it.
Markus
I can see that the comments and pages who have been made since I logged out is a Domestic political discussion among my American friends.
So I stay out of it.
Markus
Huh. You've not always had this policy. Nor do I demand it of you. :)
Huh. You've not always had this policy. Nor do I demand it of you. :)
It happens I forget it and join a discussion. I feel it's not my right as an outsider not a citizen in your country, to take part when you discuss who you voted for and why a.s.o.(A domestic political discussion)
When it comes to voting it is international-There's no different when it comes to an American voters and voters abroad.
Markus
u crank
09-01-21, 12:54 PM
It happens I forget it and join a discussion. I feel it's not my right as an outsider not a citizen in your country, to take part when you discuss who you voted for and why a.s.o.(A domestic political discussion)
I think you are wrong there Markus. This is an international forum and the thread, US Politics Thread 2021 is not restricted to Americans only. You should feel free to post any comment in that thread that you like including how Americans vote as long as you abide by the rules of SubSim.
I think you are wrong there Markus. This is an international forum and the thread, US Politics Thread 2021 is not restricted to Americans only. You should feel free to post any comment in that thread that you like including how Americans vote as long as you abide by the rules of SubSim.
That's why I :subsim: over FB where I several times per day see people write profanity and other ugly thing against each other.
Markus
Rockstar
09-01-21, 01:02 PM
Vikings are always welcomed in the U.S. politics thread. You guys discovered America long before Columbus did. :up:
Vikings are always welcomed in the U.S. politics thread. You guys discovered America long before Columbus did. :up:
A historical correction
Columbus did not discover America. He discovered that it was possible to cross the Atlantic without falling over the edge.
It was Vespucci Amerigo who discovered North America.
Markus
Rockstar
09-01-21, 01:57 PM
According to the Saga of the Greenlander, Bjarni Herjólfsson was the first to clap eyes on North America. Indian legends tell of copper mining in Isle Royale and the Keweenaw Peninsula area done by fair-haired marine men.
According to the Saga of the Greenlander, Bjarni Herjólfsson was the first to clap eyes on North America. Indian legends tell of copper mining in Isle Royale and the Keweenaw Peninsula area done by fair-haired marine men.
Yes the Viking discovered North America/Canada first.
You mentioned Columbus as the person who discovered North America and it was this I reacted on. You could say North America and South America stayed unknown for hundreds of years-Even though there are historical report indicating that there has been visitors in South America and North America before Columbus and Amerigo.
Markus
Rockstar
09-01-21, 03:14 PM
Yes the Viking discovered North America/Canada first.
You mentioned Columbus as the person who discovered North America and it was this I reacted on. You could say North America and South America stayed unknown for hundreds of years-Even though there are historical report indicating that there has been visitors in South America and North America before Columbus and Amerigo.
Markus
Sorry, only meant to say Northmen arrived here long before Columbus was thought to have.
EuroAsians now known as American Indians crossed the land bridge in the west some 16,000 years ago and the Vikings reached our shores by ship from the east 1,000 years ago. We’ve been a melting pot of people ever since.
For some reason though it was said the Vikings left the area abruptly. I think it was when those Acadians moved in the neighborhood.
u crank
09-01-21, 03:34 PM
For some reason though it was said the Vikings left the area abruptly. I think it was when those Acadians moved in the neighborhood.
Yea we had to run them. They were bringing down the property values with all that sword fighting and the heavy metal music.
:D
The first people to enter Canada, America and perhaps South America was the Indians.
In a history program about the first person in America I was told that they came via Bering strait.
But when this happened no one exactly know.
Markus
The first people to enter Canada, America and perhaps South America was the Indians.
There were at least three waves of immigrants. The American Indians of today are I believe mostly from the third wave.
In a history program about the first person in America I was told that they came via Bering strait.
Two of the three did at least. Some claim one of the waves came from Europe.
Otto Harkaman
09-01-21, 07:03 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Chronological_dispersal_of_Austronesian_people_acr oss_the_Pacific_%28per_Benton_et_al%2C_2012%2C_ada pted_from_Bellwood%2C_2011%29.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesian_peoples#Austronesian_expansion
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/fLazdUxFqYE5GUrRr5gAwT-970-80.jpg.webp
Buddahaid
09-01-21, 11:19 PM
Beware the Kraken.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.172.0_4.pdf
Fun read.
Catfish
09-02-21, 02:04 AM
Beware the Kraken.https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.172.0_4.pdfFun read.
@Skybird: Good article lol. Someone really took the time to disassemble all those tries to change the election. @Buddahaid: I would not call it an entirely funny read but i see your point :haha:.
Unmasking the bullsh!t and what it was targeted at, at page 40 ff (amongst others... )
and "millions of [...] Americans . . . believed that their president would not intentionally mislead them". And even if they have come to accept it after all this evidence, they will never admit it of course.
I wonder what law and justice will finally make of the attempted overthrow, or if it will at all. After all the composition of judges has been drastically changed in those four lost years; but this thorough clearing does give some hope.
6 lies Joe Biden told about Afghanistan
How can any American believe anything President Biden says after he’s lied so blatantly about an Afghanistan evacuation he claims was an “extraordinary success”?
LIE: “Americans understand we’re going to try and get it done before Aug. 31,” President Biden told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos Aug. 19. “And if there are American citizens left, we’re going to stay until we get them all out.” He reiterated the promise the next day at the White House: “But let me be clear, any American who wants to come home, we will get you home.”
TRUTH: Even Biden himself admits Americans remain stranded in Afghanistan as he withdrew the last US forces before getting them home. “Ninety percent of Americans in Afghanistan who wanted to leave were able to leave,” he said Tuesday. US Central Command head Gen. Frank McKenzie confirmed the day before that some Americans trying to escape couldn’t get to the Kabul airport — and the last five jets left without a single American on board.
LIE: “We’re making the same commitment,” Biden said Aug. 20, to Afghans who assisted America in the war effort, “those Afghans who have worked alongside us, served alongside of us, gone into combat with us and provided invaluable assistance to us,” he said. “They’re equally important, almost.”
TRUTH: On Wednesday, a senior State Department official confessed to NBC News that “the majority of Afghans who helped” the United States “didn’t make it out of Kabul.” The official didn’t have the number of special immigrant visa applicants who remain in Afghanistan but said “it’s the majority of them.”
LIE: “The United States stands by its commitment that we’ve made to these people, and it includes other vulnerable Afghans, such as women leaders and journalists,” Biden said Aug. 20.
TRUTH: Team Biden didn’t even ensure American-employed journalists made it to safety. Five hundred US Agency for Global Media journalists, working for outlets such as Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, and their family members were left to the mercy of the Taliban, who have already begun bullying Afghan reporters. Sources told USA Today that “miscommunication” and “the Taliban not clearing them for exit” were to blame. Just 50 US-sponsored journalists made it out — thanks to other governments, not our
LIE: Asked by a reporter July 8, “Do you see any parallels between this withdrawal and what happened in Vietnam,” Biden was indignant. “None whatsoever. Zero.”
TRUTH: Not even a month after Biden spoke those words, pictures came from Kabul of a US helicopter flying over the American embassy. Nearly 200 Americans fled the Baron Hotel on Chinooks when they couldn’t reach the Kabul airport, just 650 feet away, any other way.
LIE: Biden vowed to continue providing the Afghan army with air support. “I’ll insist we continue to keep the commitments we made of providing close air support, making sure that their air force functions and is operable,” he said Aug. 10. He’d made the promise to Afghan President Ashraf Ghani in a July 23 phone call that was leaked Wednesday. “We will continue to provide close air support,” Biden said. “And all the way through the end of August, and who knows what after that.”
TRUTH: The Wall Street Journal reported Aug. 14, “In the wake of President Biden’s withdrawal decision, the US pulled its air support, intelligence and contractors servicing Afghanistan’s planes and helicopters. That meant the Afghan military simply couldn’t operate anymore.” That puts paid to Biden’s repeated claim that the Afghan army simply folded because it didn’t want to fight.
LIE: “Your own intelligence community has assessed that the Afghan government will likely collapse,” a reporter told the president July 8, to which a defensive Biden responded, “That is not true.” He added that “the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.”
TRUTH: In fact, Biden knew the Taliban were overtaking the Afghan government — and asked Ghani to lie about it. The perception “is that things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban,” Biden said. “And there is a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.” Ghani gave him the facts: “We are facing a full-scale invasion, composed of Taliban, full Pakistani planning and logistical support, and at least 10-15,000 international terrorists, predominantly Pakistanis thrown into this.” Biden ignored them.
https://nypost.com/2021/09/01/6-lies-president-joe-biden-told-about-afghanistan/
Rockstar
09-02-21, 08:00 AM
Dang how things have changed. I ‘ve worked Mariel Boatlifts 1 and 2 and intercepted and rescued 1,000’s of Cuban’s in between. We towed boats back to Cuba and handed them over to the border guards countless times. But once ‘feet dry’ we never repatriated people escaping the communist state.
The U.S. Border Patrol on Tuesday took 13 Cuban migrants into custody after the group landed on a Key West beach in a homemade boat.
Border Patrol responded to Higgs Beach at about 6:45 a.m. to find 12 men and one woman who said they had left Cuba the day before, said Adam Hoffner, the agency’s spokesman.
They will likely be sent back to Cuba aboard a Coast Guard cutter.
Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/florida-keys/article253885358.html#storylink=cpy
Jimbuna
09-02-21, 12:28 PM
here's me thinking it was the Mexicans :)
Skybird
09-02-21, 05:10 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/unconstitutional-chaos-biden-vows-whole-government-response-after-texas-abortion-n1278380
The law, known as Senate Bill 8, bans abortions after six weeks of pregnancy (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-governor-signs-fetal-heartbeat-abortion-ban-n1267936), before many women even know they are pregnant, and has unique enforcement provisions allowing private citizens, rather than state officials, to sue abortion providers.Meine Fresse, its getting worse and worse in Trumpistan. Malice of the finest. The US Taleban are hacking joyfully away at driving their stone caves deeper and deeper and deeper. Have they already made the vision for the script for The Maidens Tale part of their party program?
To make this clear, I am all for having a time criterion. But at 6 weeks we are talking about a cellular mass not more than a tiny worm of 2-3mm length.
Not before a sensory suite and a nervous system creates impulses delivered to a sufficiently complex brain there is even the slightest chance for any form of mind or awareness forming up or information computation takes place. As long as that is not the case, to me its just a clump of organic matter.
You cannot play Gran Turismo if you have no playstation, no controller and no TV.
3catcircus
09-02-21, 07:09 PM
Dang how things have changed. I ‘ve worked Mariel Boatlifts 1 and 2 and intercepted and rescued 1,000’s of Cuban’s in between. We towed boats back to Cuba and handed them over to the border guards countless times. But once ‘feet dry’ we never repatriated people escaping the communist state.
What more proof do we need that on those occasions when the Biden administration aren't just being incompetent, they're willfully evil. They all need to be removed from their positions of power.
3catcircus
09-02-21, 07:12 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/unconstitutional-chaos-biden-vows-whole-government-response-after-texas-abortion-n1278380
Meine Fresse, its getting worse and worse in Trumpistan. Malice of the finest. The US Taleban are hacking joyfully away at driving their stone caves deeper and deeper and deeper. Have they already made the vision for the script for The Maidens Tale part of their party program?
To make this clear, I am all for having a time criterion. But at 6 weeks we are talking about a cellular mass not more than a tiny worm of 2-3mm length.
Not before a sensory suite and a nervous system creates impulses delivered to a sufficiently complex brain there is even the slightest chance for any form of mind or awareness forming up or information computation takes place. As long as that is not the case, to me its just a clump of organic matter.
You cannot play Gran Turismo if you have no playstation, no controller and no TV.
Looks pretty well on its way to be fully human to me. Eyes, hands/arms, brain bucket, heartbeat. We protect gestating puppies and kittens more than we protect gestating human babies. I have no issues with this law. More importantly, maybe it might force the irresponsible to be responsible and use contraception or a morning-after pill. We have entirely too many people who reproduce without constraint - and they're too lazy to use contraceptives or get an abortion as soon as they know they're pregnant - waiting until the last minute. In the case of many of them, that get taken advantage of by criminally-minded abortion doctors.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/58-horrific-details-from-the-kermit-gosnell-trial-that-you-do-not-want-to-read
Buddahaid
09-02-21, 08:06 PM
Looks pretty well on its way to be fully human to me. Eyes, hands/arms, brain bucket, heartbeat. We protect gestating puppies and kittens more than we protect gestating human babies. I have no issues with this law. More importantly, maybe it might force the irresponsible to be responsible and use contraception or a morning-after pill. We have entirely too many people who reproduce without constraint - and they're too lazy to use contraceptives or get an abortion as soon as they know they're pregnant - waiting until the last minute. In the case of many of them, that get taken advantage of by criminally-minded abortion doctors.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/58-horrific-details-from-the-kermit-gosnell-trial-that-you-do-not-want-to-read
Right only it will work as well as any other morality law has and be an abysmal failure just like prohibition and the war on drugs. It will be bypassed by those who can cross borders and force those who can't into unsafe circumstances. I doubt it will have much effect otherwise but hey, lets all slap each other on the back and do high fives now that we've created another sub class.
3catcircus
09-02-21, 08:45 PM
Right only it will work as well as any other morality law has and be an abysmal failure just like prohibition and the war on drugs. It will be bypassed by those who can cross borders and force those who can't into unsafe circumstances. I doubt it will have much effect otherwise but hey, lets all slap each other on the back and do high fives now that we've created another sub class.
Isn't that part of what is wrong with the world - lack of morals?
I understand a need for abortion, but how many women don't knew they are pregnant at 6 weeks? My wife knew within 4 days of conception. Is it common not to know until 6 weeks + 1 day? A heartbeat is life, even if not fully cognizant of itself - because the heart is supplying blood to the developing brain.
Now, more often than not, pregnant women (and their partners) are just irresponsible - waiting until well into the 2nd trimester even though they never had any intention of having children and could have gotten an abortion weeks earlier.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9952383/Texas-abortion-clinic-terminated-67-pregnancies-just-17-hours-women-race-procedure.html
Here's an interesting excerpt from that article:
"One woman, The 19th reports, arrived for an abortion, telling the staff she was going to prison soon and did not want to deliver a child in jail.
Texas law already required a woman to get a first appointment with a doctor to discuss the procedure 24 hours before they actually got the abortion done.
She was coming in for only her first appointment, though, and was unable to have the termination.
The woman dropped to her knees, begging Sadler for help, according to the report, but the physicians were legally unable to help her.
She was 12 weeks pregnant, meaning she would be unable to have the procedure done in Texas once the law went into place. "
So - you don't want to give birth in jail, even though there is otherwise no medical reason to terminate what we assume is a healthy baby, and you waited until 12 weeks before even having the pre-abortion consult?!?!!
While part of me says that such a woman is likely bringing a child into the world that will become another prison-bound burden on society, the other part of me knows that there are plenty of couples who can't have children of their own who would gladly adopt. Let her go to term to give the baby up for adoption in exchange for a reduced sentence and severing of parental rights.
You're not being intellectually honest.
Buddahaid
09-02-21, 08:52 PM
Yes I agree part of the worlds problem is a lack of a moral compass but morals are something you can't effectively legislate without becoming that totalitarian state that I don't think you want anymore than I do. People complain about democrats creating a nanny state but doesn't this fall under the same category?
Buddahaid
09-02-21, 08:56 PM
...edited out...
Arlo that's a personal attack that is against the board's rules. Argue the point you want to make and leave insults out of it or you'll get brigged.
Arlo that's a personal attack that is against the board's rules. Argue the point you want to make and leave insults out of it or you'll get brigged.
Does nicer wording matter? :shucks:
Originally Posted by Arlo https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2766248#post2766248)
You're so full of dung there needs to be a sewage treatment facility named after you.
Arlo that's a personal attack that is against the board's rules. Argue the point you want to make and leave insults out of it or you'll get brigged.
100% agree, an apology is needed! :hmph::x
3catcircus
09-02-21, 09:08 PM
Yes I agree part of the worlds problem is a lack of a moral compass but morals are something you can't effectively legislate without becoming that totalitarian state that I don't think you want anymore than I do. People complain about democrats creating a nanny state but doesn't this fall under the same category?
I could see that if it was no abortion at all. But drawing a line by saying "before proof of life is ok, but not after" didn't seem unreasonable.
In any other arena, we would consider a heartbeat to be sufficient proof of a living creature's existence. Doesn't need to be self-aware life - otherwise we wouldn't consider day-old puppies to be alive; nor blind hairless marsupials moving to their mother's pouch to continue development...
One may argue that we consider people to be dead if they have a heartbeat but no brain activity - the difference, however is such people are generally in hospital well after completion of gestation where there is no additional development that will occur. To put it brutally - the brain-dead had their chance at life, the fetus was never given the chance to begin with...
100% agree, an apology is needed! :hmph::x
I'm sorry he was being intellectually dishonest?:shucks:
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/239930801_10223557883229704_7824214761038050530_n. jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Ewq44mMaXNUAX-kOIhd&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=6c959aaa489a5397f2cffdfb7593d340&oe=6156B9A8
Buddahaid
09-02-21, 09:17 PM
Does nicer wording matter? :shucks:
Yes, it does if you want to continue participating. You don't have to agree with someone and you can hate their point of view, but you can't attack them personally even if you think they deserve it. Civility matters here or all discussions end in chaos.
3catcircus
09-02-21, 09:19 PM
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/239930801_10223557883229704_7824214761038050530_n. jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Ewq44mMaXNUAX-kOIhd&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=6c959aaa489a5397f2cffdfb7593d340&oe=6156B9A8
Abortion won't undo the trauma of rape or incest having occurred, nor is it therapy that will heal the victim. All it will accomplish is further adding to the person's misery because in performing the abortion, the victimized mother agrees to a traumatic death being inflicted on a helpless victim, just as she was victimized.
Yes, it does if you want to continue participating. You don't have to agree with someone and you can hate their point of view, but you can't attack them personally even if you think they deserve it. Civility matters here or all discussions end in chaos.
Then be so kind as to edit your quote of me to fit my own edit of it. Thanks in advance. :salute:
Otto Harkaman
09-02-21, 09:53 PM
What if you steal from a food delivery bot? They are soon appearing everywhere perhaps the temptation might prove to be too great not to take a meal? Perhaps California might pay you not to steal from a food delivery bot? :hmm2:
We Tried To Rob A Delivery Robot
Robots are the future of food delivery, and the temptation to steal from them is real.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/allysonlaquian/doordash-delivery-robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPZwnc_Lk2M
Buddahaid
09-02-21, 10:17 PM
What if you steal from a food delivery bot? They are soon appearing everywhere perhaps the temptation might prove to be to great not to take a meal? Perhaps California might pay you not to steal from a food delivery bot? :hmm2:
More likely you would get mugged on delivery and no California won't pay me not to steal from it. At least I think so?! Maybe you just gave me a new career when I retire.
Rockstar
09-02-21, 10:28 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/unconstitutional-chaos-biden-vows-whole-government-response-after-texas-abortion-n1278380
Meine Fresse, its getting worse and worse in Trumpistan. Malice of the finest. The US Taleban are hacking joyfully away at driving their stone caves deeper and deeper and deeper. Have they already made the vision for the script for The Maidens Tale part of their party program?
To make this clear, I am all for having a time criterion. But at 6 weeks we are talking about a cellular mass not more than a tiny worm of 2-3mm length.
Not before a sensory suite and a nervous system creates impulses delivered to a sufficiently complex brain there is even the slightest chance for any form of mind or awareness forming up or information computation takes place. As long as that is not the case, to me its just a clump of organic matter.
You cannot play Gran Turismo if you have no playstation, no controller and no TV.
Trump? According to the pothead working from his garage it’s the Democrats who are willingly allowing it to happen then they just turn around and blame everyone else. Tim Cain and Hilliary promoted and campaigned an anti-abortion platform when they ran in 2016. Now they’re raking in millions in donations to fight against something they’re responsible for happening. Voters just don’t know any better.
NSFW ~ language
https://youtu.be/eNkyJeELSt0
Buddahaid
09-02-21, 11:01 PM
Gawd I can't even try to watch that! Please make the Clinton's and Trump fall into a great crack opening in the crust of the Earth. Meanwhile I have to start making plans to steal food from robots....
EDIT: And what's wrong with pot? The insurrection on January 6th wouldn't have happened if people started smoking joints in the mall. It would have been a love in with daisies handed out and dancing....
Rockstar, there doesn't need to be a conviction to call it an insurrection anymore than it needs a conviction to call a dead body a victim of a rape and murder. I thought of that when I was getting stoned stalking a food robot I suddenly had an urge to rob.
Onkel Neal
09-02-21, 11:45 PM
Yes, it does if you want to continue participating. You don't have to agree with someone and you can hate their point of view, but you can't attack them personally even if you think they deserve it. Civility matters here or all discussions end in chaos.
That's an essential truth. Well put, Buddahaid. :Kaleun_Salute:
Skybird
09-03-21, 02:47 AM
Abortion won't undo the trauma of rape or incest having occurred, nor is it therapy that will heal the victim. All it will accomplish is further adding to the person's misery because in performing the abortion, the victimized mother agrees to a traumatic death being inflicted on a helpless victim, just as she was victimized.
Thats the most disgusting display of cynism and dispising of a human being that I have red or heard in a very long time. Shame.
Btw,
traumatization was a special field of mine, i dealt with torture victims from the Balkans. What you say is in the way you set up and/or ignore contexts and circumstances, wrong and i am convinced an intentional lie. Shame again.
Otto Harkaman
09-03-21, 03:01 AM
Meanwhile I have to start making plans to steal food from robots....
Don't forget your $300 bonus for not shooting anyone practicing your new career and if you keep your automated culinary thievery under $950 you won't get prosecuted :yeah:
Beats going to work! San Francisco rolls out program to PAY people $300-a-month not to SHOOT each other in a bid to curb gun violence in woke city where 'crime is basically legal'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951135/San-Francisco-rolls-program-pay-people-300-month-not-shoot-other.html
Skybird
09-03-21, 07:57 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/texas-abortion-decision-could-be-blueprint-ending-roe-v-wade-n1278410
The case in Texas and another one the high court will consider from Mississippi (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-consider-reviving-mississippi-abortion-law-n1267568) this year have the same goal, experts say: gutting or overturning Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion nationally.
The laws take two separate approaches to curtailing abortion rights. But as experts explained, they may end up working together — with the help of a conservative Supreme Court (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/supreme-court-uber-conservative-few-recent-decisions-don-t-change-ncna1273014) — as a well-timed one-two punch that could be a death knell for the landmark ruling.
Rockstar
09-03-21, 08:13 AM
Gawd I can't even try to watch that! Please make the Clinton's and Trump fall into a great crack opening in the crust of the Earth. Meanwhile I have to start making plans to steal food from robots....
EDIT: And what's wrong with pot? The insurrection on January 6th wouldn't have happened if people started smoking joints in the mall. It would have been a love in with daisies handed out and dancing....
Rockstar, there doesn't need to be a conviction to call it an insurrection anymore than it needs a conviction to call a dead body a victim of a rape and murder. I thought of that when I was getting stoned stalking a food robot I suddenly had an urge to rob.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with pot or shrooms for that matter. IMO if it comes from the ground it’s all good, enjoy. :yep: When Jimmy Dore gets on a roll he sometimes describes himself as just a pothead who works from his garage.
I’ve seen plenty of dead bodies in my time and not all are victims of murder. Most were from boating accidents, victims of their own or someone else’s stupidity.
As for the definition of insurrection it may appear to some the acts of certain individuals fell in that category. But so far since January 6th 500 people have only been charged with crimes ranging from unlawful entry, disorderly conduct, destruction of government property, disrupting officials. On the other hand Antifa rioters have assaulted federal courthouses numerous times, doing severe damage and attempting to burn them. Let’s get after them too. Get Roland Freisler and let the prosecutions for insurrection, sedition, treason, and traitorous behavior begin and hang’em all. Would be interesting to see when the trials would end. Scary thing is once it got rolling it probably wouldn’t. Something you say here could place your head on the chopping block next. I however suggest restraint and I agree with the path the prosecutors are taking.
Plus if we successfully prosecuted these people for insurrection, treason, sedition, and mutiny. That might pave the way for the U.K. to bring a case against the United States ;)
Unless one can somehow prove that a human fetus is somehow not human then no matter how you justify it abortion is the deliberate taking of a human life.
Now maybe some people are ok with it because they don't to pay child support or actually don't consider a fetus to be an human being until they are old enough to graduate clown college or whatever, but seriously everybody should understand that this issue and its attendant controversy will never go away because the anti-abortion side will never see it as anything but what it is, murder.
Plus if we successfully prosecuted these people for insurrection, treason, sedition, and mutiny. That might pave the way for the U.K. to bring a case against the United States ;)
They would like to but they can't because we fixed their wagons at Yorktown.
Rockstar
09-03-21, 09:29 AM
They would like to but they can't because we fixed their wagons at Yorktown.
Yep, with a little help from De Grasse who ran off the British fleet causing Cornwallis to rethink his position and eventually tucked tail and run too :yeah:
Battle of the Capes "It deserves the name of 'British Naval Waterloo of Cape Henry.'" - Emil Reich
Rockstar
09-03-21, 09:35 AM
Rep. Chrissy Houlahan (D., Pa.) put forward a measure on Wednesday to require all women over the age of 18 to register for selective service.
Rockstar
09-03-21, 09:57 AM
NSFW - LANGUAGE
Pantomime progressivism
https://youtu.be/PI3TqgC8uME
3catcircus
09-03-21, 10:33 AM
Thats the most disgusting display of cynism and dispising of a human being that I have red or heard in a very long time. Shame.
Btw,
traumatization was a special field of mine, i dealt with torture victims from the Balkans. What you say is in the way you set up and/or ignore contexts and circumstances, wrong and i am convinced an intentional lie. Shame again.
I'll take your indignant response as confirmation that I'm over the target...
3catcircus
09-03-21, 10:38 AM
Unless one can somehow prove that a human fetus is somehow not human then no matter how you justify it abortion is the deliberate taking of a human life.
Now maybe some people are ok with it because they don't to pay child support or actually don't consider a fetus to be an human being until they are old enough to graduate clown college or whatever, but seriously everybody should understand that this issue and its attendant controversy will never go away because the anti-abortion side will never see it as anything but what it is, murder.
I'll never understand the zeal with which pro-abortion activists relish killing of fetuses.
It's almost like "oh, it's a fetus, not a person" is their attitude. Would they say, "oh, it's a cocker spaniel, not a golden retriever, so it's ok?"
Skybird
09-03-21, 11:00 AM
A raped women getting pregnant from it - being raped a second time afterwards, by the "law" and/or "religion". Lovely. So humane.
Be proud of yourself. I have little doubt that thats an easy exercise for you.
And no, depressions experienced by some women after delivery, miscarriage, or abortions under usual conditions, are not what is to be expected - and empirically described - from abortions done on rape victims after the attack. For most victims of rape - it is a RELIEF. While being forced to carry out the baby of their attacker compares to get collectively raped a second time by society, state, society, law enforcement. Many, though not all, HATE the creature afterwards afterwards they had been forced to deliver. And the kid gets it to feel.
Women are more than just breeding lifestock, you know.
Sorry, you are not over any target there. Just show that you went astray and have no clue what you are talking of, nor empathy for the victims of a capital crime.
Shame on you.
Rockstar
09-03-21, 11:46 AM
It seems to me a female victim of rape would realize there is a very good chance that she may have been impregnated. She has six weeks, SIX WEEKS to come forward and abort a fetus. If she is unwilling or doesn’t feel confident enough to come forward or attempts to self abort or go in hiding. That seems to me to be a problem with screwed up tribal views, a perceived lack of compassion, shame, or with the systems in place which are meant to help victims of rape.
AVGWarhawk
09-03-21, 11:55 AM
It seems to me a female victim of rape would realize there is a very good chance that she may have been impregnated. She has six weeks, SIX WEEKS to come forward and abort a fetus. If she is unwilling or doesn’t feel confident enough to come forward or attempts to self abort or go in hiding. That seems to me to be a problem with screwed up tribal views, a perceived lack of compassion or shame, and the systems in place which supposed to help victims of rape.
I would believe if the victim does go to the hospital they are offered what is called a morning after pill. This is only a guess. These pills are readily available at the pharmacy without prescription. In utilizing such a pill I think the shame or lack of compassion would not be an issue.
I'll never understand the zeal with which pro-abortion activists ....
I'll never understand some people's insistence that 'pro-choice' = 'pro-abortion.'
https://www.mommyshorts.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/3C9ACC1D-A596-440D-ACDE-B7313E564757-2.jpg
This was new to me.
White supremacist praise of the Taliban takeover concerns US officials
As the United States-backed government in Afghanistan fell to the Taliban and US troops raced to leave the country, White supremacist and anti-government extremists have expressed admiration for what the Taliban accomplished, a worrying development for US officials who have been grappling with the threat of domestic violent extremism.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/01/politics/far-right-groups-praise-taliban-takeover/index.html
Markus
This was new to me.
White supremacist praise of the Taliban takeover concerns US officials
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/01/politics/far-right-groups-praise-taliban-takeover/index.html
Markus
Should come as no actual surprise, though.
This was new to me.
White supremacist praise of the Taliban takeover concerns US officials
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/01/politics/far-right-groups-praise-taliban-takeover/index.html
Markus
Fake news by a fake news organization Markus. White supremacists are the Democrats figmentory boogeymen used to scare Blacks into staying on the leftist political plantation.
Otto Harkaman
09-03-21, 12:42 PM
This was new to me.
White supremacist praise of the Taliban takeover concerns US officials
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/01/politics/far-right-groups-praise-taliban-takeover/index.html
Markus
CNN? :har:
White supremacists don't exist? Huh.:shucks:
Ok It's nothing but a fake story. I had this feeling you would say so when it was CNN who brought the news.
Markus
Ok It's nothing but a fake story. I had this feeling you would say so when it was CNN who brought the news.
Markus
CNN has nothing on 'Newsmax' when it comes to fake news.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/opinion/alt-right-taliban.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJLa3aBQIyU
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/why-afghanistan-s-collapse-opportunity-far-right-racists-n1277157
It's not a question on whether the story is true or false/exaggerated, it's which paper who wrote it.
Since I don't mingle among these White Supremacist I can't say if the story is true or false/exaggerated
Markus
Rockstar
09-03-21, 02:23 PM
It's not a question on whether the story is true or false/exaggerated, it's which paper who wrote it.
Since I don't mingle among these White Supremacist I can't say if the story is true or false/exaggerated
Markus
How do you know you don’t mingle with extremists? They way the media appears to present things extremists are everywhere! Everything is extremism, extreme left, extreme right, super duper extreme extremists. They make it appear as if all that’s out there are extremists. CNN now says white supremacist extremists are praising the Taliban religious extremists.
But let’s not forget the U.S. government just outfitted the Taliban with our latest weaponry and Skybird recently linked to an article where General Miley said we were going to support Taliban desire to expand power in Afghanistan. Does that make General Miley a raging white supremacist extremist? According to CNN I think it does.
Seek shelter immediately EXTREMISTS ARE EVERYWHERE! Thankfully our governments are spending billions expanding surveillance systems to better protect you from all the extremism. ;)
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2766321&postcount=650
Rockstar
09-03-21, 02:44 PM
Meanwhile as the never ending search for extremists continue
Jobs report disappoints — only 235,000 positions added vs. expectations of 720,000
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/03/jobs-report-august-2021.html
https://i.imgflip.com/3thqoa.jpg
It happens that some extreme right wing or left wing seek my friendship But they are blocked.
I do believe in free expression and these people should have the right to have their say-Under responsibility.
Being friends with them ? No
I haven't meet any extremist here in our forum yet. I've met people who strongly believe in their cause/politician here in this forum.
Markus
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u crank
09-03-21, 06:24 PM
That leaves the impression that a woman who has been raped in the state of Texas cannot leave that state and seek an abortion else where. Is that true?
https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/239969363_5489669561126053_8307517822853299318_n.p ng?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=SgM-4wE8CAMAX-Y1wK4&tn=yPGLy6ZxJ6pwdDM0&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=1707392f95ca734b4cb323ce0bac0274&oe=6156F8C5
Skybird
09-03-21, 07:10 PM
That leaves the impression that a woman who has been raped in the state of Texas cannot leave that state and seek an abortion else where. Is that true?
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2766318&postcount=2206
There is the mission to make it a nationwide prohibition in the end.
For the time being a woman can evade. The question is why she is expected of havign to evade like this. And why everybody assisting her, becomes a legal offender who could be persecuted. And why every private foreign person not being socially connected to her case nevertheless can denounce her and anybody helpoung her. And why it is even legally mandatory to do so, if I understood so.
Heck, not even arch-Catholic Poland was so backwardly and medieval when they made a new abortion law shpr ttioem ago and took heavy Flak for it from the EU, leaving rape as a valid reason for abortion.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/new-texas-abortion-law-must-change-how-we-think-about-ncna1278381
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/03/world/how-texas-abortion-law-compares-to-world-intl-cmd/index.html
So ther emight be open doors left, still the quesiton is why victims of rape as an exmaple must take these burdens on them. And there can be no doubt imo that there is a huge will at work trying to close these escape routes and enforcing the prohibition nation-wide. Frok my link to nbc in my quoted post above:
The case in Texas and another one the high court will consider from Mississippi (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-consider-reviving-mississippi-abortion-law-n1267568) this year have the same goal, experts say: gutting or overturning Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion nationally.
The laws take two separate approaches to curtailing abortion rights. But as experts explained, they may end up working together — with the help of a conservative Supreme Court (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/supreme-court-uber-conservative-few-recent-decisions-don-t-change-ncna1273014) — as a well-timed one-two punch that could be a death knell for the landmark ruling.
First tackle Roe vs Wade, and then the other states will fall like domino. Thats the plan.
u crank
09-03-21, 07:32 PM
@ Arlo.
You didn't answer the question.
u crank
09-03-21, 07:38 PM
First tackle Roe vs Wade, and then the other states will fall like domino. Thats the plan.
Roe v. Wade should go. It needs to be replaced with legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President. If it can't be then states will continue to do what Texas just did. The Supreme court does not want to be involved.
3catcircus
09-03-21, 07:54 PM
Roe v. Wade should go. It needs to be replaced with legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President. If it can't be then states will continue to do what Texas just did. The Supreme court does not want to be involved.
Roe v. Wade is actually bad case law anyway. There is no right to privacy associated with abortion in the Constitution, yet that's what SCOTUS claimed as the basis for their ruling.
You may want to study up on the 4th Amendment.
Rockstar
09-03-21, 10:27 PM
NSFW - language
The pothead is on a roll again :up:
https://youtu.be/e576hM2i95U
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/241162205_1010934269728496_2043692687472214692_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Wk2N7-ANWnYAX96VAV0&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=7ad5db9ef7694612a53de25af018fba6&oe=61587E63
3catcircus
09-04-21, 12:01 PM
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/241162205_1010934269728496_2043692687472214692_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Wk2N7-ANWnYAX96VAV0&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=7ad5db9ef7694612a53de25af018fba6&oe=61587E63
Exaggerate much?
Exaggerate much?
Prove it to be exaggeration. I'll wait. :shucks:
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/60347714_10157361758765152_8048215160139022336_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=e3f864&_nc_ohc=PtqRgNBhcxEAX8qFg66&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=c6624ed25a87aaf0350a00900a207a39&oe=615987AB
When I heard about this abortion law in Texas the first I thought of was demonstrations. Thinking Now Texan will enter the street and demonstrate against this law, especially the women.
Haven't heard about any demonstration.
I hope that this law doesn't apply to young girls like the 12 year old mentioned in text in the picture shown on this page.
Markus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsD8zCJ2L9A
Thank you Arlo.
Maybe it was the size of the demonstration since I didn't hear or have read about it.
Does this mean the Texan is for this new abortion law since only a few hundred most women demonstrated ?
Markus
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s640x640/241252068_10227081008878966_2203657121177213694_n. jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=xk-6nPoNhzsAX-rlp7p&tn=yPGLy6ZxJ6pwdDM0&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=37ff9086b9481ba43cd146e41ba89588&oe=61389457
Thank you Arlo.
Maybe it was the size of the demonstration since I didn't hear or have read about it.
Does this mean the Texan is for this new abortion law since only a few hundred most women demonstrated ?
Markus
Don't be so superficially swayed.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/texas-turning-blue/616978/
3catcircus
09-04-21, 02:01 PM
Prove it to be exaggeration. I'll wait. :shucks:
Nothing prevents parents or guardians from getting an abortion for their daughters before 6 weeks. I suspect planned parenthood would do it before 6 weeks without parental knowledge or consent like they did last week after 6 weeks.
Twelve year olds who are pregnant can go across state lines with a parent or guardian to obtain an abortion after 6 weeks. The difference is now, they can't do it without parental knowledge and consent since they'll have to explain why they're leaving the state for a couple of days.
Nothing prevents parents or guardians from getting an abortion for their daughters before 6 weeks. I suspect planned parenthood would do it before 6 weeks without parental knowledge or consent like they did last week after 6 weeks.
Twelve year olds who are pregnant can go across state lines with a parent or guardian to obtain an abortion after 6 weeks. The difference is now, they can't do it without parental knowledge and consent since they'll have to explain why they're leaving the state for a couple of days.
Interesting supposition. Mind if I ask what state you live in and formed those from?
Otto Harkaman
09-04-21, 02:04 PM
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