US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Jeff-Groves]

Sorry to hear that. So I guess both of us have been down that sad road.
I almost wish Mom had Alzheimer's. She suffered full blown dementia!
Seeing and hearing things that weren't there and such.

My Sister is still mad that I did not cry when Mom finally passed.
To me? She had died years before so I was relieved.

[MaDef]

LOL, you kids have short memories, back in 2009 when Biden became VP He gave 2 press conferences right after taking office. He made a mess of both of them. At that point Obama put him on a very short leash in regards to the press for the rest of his tenure as VP.

[Catfish]

There was what they said there has not been.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-intel-agencies-say-russia-tried-help-trump-china-n1261234

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intel-report-finds-russia-iran-influence-2020-election/story?id=76494206&cid=clicksource_4380645_3_heads_hero_live_headline s_hed

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/politics/us-election-intel-report/index.html
Who knew? :haha:
All over the press here, also BND overthinking its course of action. "Russia also meddled with the EU and the brexit outcome as we now know.
... waging a widespread influence operation intended to undermine confidence in the democratic process – [...]"
Trump did a pretty good job on this himself.
Question is how to counter this properly in the future.

[Rockstar]

One of the above 'empty' reports states the following:

proxies linked to Russian intelligence to push influence narratives-including misleading or unsubstantiated allegations against President Biden-to US media organizations, US officials, and prominent US individuals, including some close to former President Trump and his administration, Anyone know what these unsubstantiated allegations the article mentions were?


https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-sovietization-of-the-american

[3catcircus]

One of the above 'empty' reports states the following:




Anyone know what these unsubstantiated allegations were?

Without looking past the details of the story, I'd say it's the MSM's attempt to deflect from the fact that Burden clearly has dementia by claiming they're unsubstantiated Russian rumors meant to have helped Trump. That they also claim China didn't interfere is their way of saying "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain who Beijing Burden is controlled by." Probably the only truthful part of the article is about Iran - and even then I suspect they had a stronger operation going than is stated.

Any time you see a MSM outlet reporting on something provided by the "US intelligence community" and words like " ...landmark report..." in the article, you know it's all bullsh!t. The IC stopped being an apolitical source of fact on our adversaries a long long time ago.

[Catfish]

[...] Anyone know what these unsubstantiated allegations [edited: against Biden] were?One of those, but there were "a few" more.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/12/facebook-posts/fact-checking-pedophilia-attacks-against-joe-biden/
I am sure you can find more yourself via Google if not on Fox or Breitbart, or Quanon networks.

[3catcircus]

LOL, you kids have short memories, back in 2009 when Biden became VP He gave 2 press conferences right after taking office. He made a mess of both of them. At that point Obama put him on a very short leash in regards to the press for the rest of his tenure as VP.

Don't get me wrong - anyone could see he clearly had issues back then (and even before then), but it was way easier to hide him as VP or senator.

[3catcircus]

She might well be one, but putting her on the spot is going to be nigh on impossible, she seems to have been born to this type of career, maybe she's a future politician in the making, and Christ knows you're lacking some competent ones.

A press secretary who can't (as opposed to won't) answer questions when put on the spot - and has no ability to get out of the question other than a "hamana hamana" is an incompetent.

Watch some previous press secretaries - when they don't want to answer a question, they easily redirect the conversation. When they can't answer the question - they also easily redirect the conversation.

"Circle back" means nothing more than "I don't have any answer and don't know how to get myself out of this, please don't embarrass me for being completely unprepared when we all know I'm not really qualified to be standing at this podium to begin with."

That she's held multiple communications jobs in previous Dem administrations and doesn't now how to deftly maneuver around the press is a problem - and that a media friendly to the Dems isn't helping her means they know she isn't qualified to be there.

[Rockstar]

One of those, but there were "a few" more.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/12/facebook-posts/fact-checking-pedophilia-attacks-against-joe-biden/
I am sure you can find more yourself via Google if not on Fox or Breitbart, or Quanon networks.

That's it? Though I wholeheartedly disagree with the political tactics of unsubstantiated accusations and fabrications. Its nothing new and been part of the game for quite a long time. The articles you and Sky linked too made are just as much a baseless claim. Why do I have to be the one to search the internet to prove it? Where's the investigative journalism?

[3catcircus]

One of those, but there were "a few" more.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/12/facebook-posts/fact-checking-pedophilia-attacks-against-joe-biden/
I am sure you can find more yourself via Google if not on Fox or Breitbart, or Quanon networks.

That it is unsubstantiated doesn't not make it true - it just means he hasn't been caught yet. Look how long it took to finally catch Jerry Sandusky and the US Gymnastics team doctor...

Sniffing children and going out of your way to find an opportunity to physically touch them when there is no reason to are *not* normal behavior.

[mapuc]

Let see if I understand this correctly.

It was an awful thing the former president did when he gave order to remove the children from their parents when they tried to cross the Mexican borders.
But it is now ok to do it, because it is for the children's own safety/best

Or did I miss something ?

Markus

[Catfish]

^ in a way yes, they begun with it even before Obama times, and it is of course a very sad apporach to deal with children, but depending who is president he is blamed all through the governments.
Which is in a way correct, why doesn't a president stop it?

Then the next level kicks in: He probably does not have the right or legal capability to forbid it. And so on.
When it comes to bureaucracy detached from ethics ro real life, every atrocity is possible :03:

[Catfish]

That it is unsubstantiated doesn't not make it true - it just means he hasn't been caught yet. [...].
What about the assumption of innocence?
I think we should put you in jail, you may be a mass murderer. We have no evidence but Trump's son said so.
"Allegations of child sex molestation are a prominent part of the QAnon conspiracy theory that suggests a "deep state" is working against President Trump." :doh:

[3catcircus]

What about the assumption of innocence?
I think we should put you in jail, you may be a mass murderer. We have no evidence but Trump's son said so.
"Allegations of child sex molestation are a prominent part of the QAnon conspiracy theory that suggests a "deep state" is working against President Trump." :doh:


*Every* career politician is crooked as a dog's leg. It just is a matter of which crime(s) they've been doing so long without being caught that they think it is normal behavior. In the case of Burden, it's an obsessive public display of inappropriate contact with women and children that just skirts the line of "Did he just??" behavior that would have earned him a punch in the mouth by an angry husband or father a long time ago if he weren't a politician. That most (if not all) of the victims were family members of Biden supporters, campaign workers, or congressional staffers or other senators shows you that they're immoral because they allowed it to happen to further whatever political ambitions they themselves had at the time. An angry punch in the mouth with a vocal " Don't touch my kid you pervert!" in a public venue would've stopped Biden a long time ago.

We have *many* public appearances by Dementia Joe where he goes out of his way to touch and sniff women and children for many years. He even admitted it was weird and promised to stop doing it during the presidential campaign. A guy posted a compilation of C-SPAN public video of Biden's creepy sniffing and touching on Twitter and even *they* flagged it as child exploitation.

[Rockstar]

^ in a way yes, they begun with it even before Obama times, and it is of course a very sad apporach to deal with children, but depending who is president he is blamed all through the governments.
Which is in a way correct, why doesn't a president stop it?

Then the next level kicks in: He probably does not have the right or legal capability to forbid it. And so on.
When it comes to bureaucracy detached from ethics ro real life, every atrocity is possible :03:

Why doesn't he stop what? I think we spoke about this earlier when it was brought up. You DO NOT keep children in general population at detention centers, ESPECIALLY when you dont know who the accompanying adult is.. It also makes it much easier to discover the child's perspective as well. However I can attest from my own personal experience of interdicting thousands of illegal Chinese, Indian, Haitian, Central American, illegal immigrants at our borders during the Reagan, Clinton, Obama and Bush 1&2 years. There are times when its so very obvious to see the bond between a child and a parent and we do our best to keep them together. But I tell ya its a freaking huge operation and very difficult task to try and figure out who these people are and why they're here. With no exception its a traumatic experience for everyone involved.

But in the end we separate children for the same goddamn reason the E.U. does when they come across immigrant children. Its not rocket science its just common sense.

Children in migration are continuously exposed to risks such as violence (including in reception/transit centres), physical abuse, exploitation, sexual abuse and trafficking for the purpose of sexual or other exploitation, going missing or becoming separated from their families. Children have arrived in Europe with obvious signs of injury, trauma, and physical, sexual and psychological abuse incurred on their journey to and in Europe.Seattle Time article
... some illegal immigrants are using children who aren’t theirs to try to enter the United States, Mexican authorities have come forward to assert that illegal immigrants in Tijuana are preying on vulnerable single mothers in shelters by suggesting they sell their children to them.

[Rockstar]

During a recent interview our president just accused a legitimate head of state of being a 'killer'? WHat does that mean exactly and whats this price he's going to pay? Jeebus, I think we're about to drive off a cliff, this is gettin' scary.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-abc-news-george-stephanopoulos-interviews-president-joe/story?id=76509669

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Director of National Intelligence came out with a report today saying that Vladimir Putin authorized operations during the election to under — denigrate you, support President Trump, undermine our elections, divide our society. What price must he pay?

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: He will pay a price. I, we had a long talk, he and I, when we — I know him relatively well. And I– the conversation started off, I said, “I know you and you know me. If I establish this occurred, then be prepared.”

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You said you know he doesn’t have a soul.

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: I did say that to him, yes. And — and his response was, “We understand one another.” It was– I wasn’t being a wise guy. I was alone with him in his office. And that — that’s how it came about. It was when President Bush had said, “I looked in his eyes and saw his soul.” I said, “Looked in your eyes and I don’t think you have a soul.” And looked back and he said, “We understand each other.” Look, most important thing dealing with foreign leaders in my experience, and I’ve dealt with an awful lot of ’em over my career, is just know the other guy. Don’t expect somethin’ that you’re– that — don’t expect him to– or her to– voluntarily appear in the second editions of Profiles in Courage.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: So you know Vladimir Putin. You think he’s a killer?

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: Uh-huh. I do.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: So what price must he pay?

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: The price he’s gonna pay we’ll– you’ll see shortly.


https://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/366/379/764.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

During a recent interview our president just accused a legitimate head of state of being a 'killer'? WHat does that mean exactly and whats this price he's going to pay? Jeebus, I think we're about to drive off a cliff, this is gettin' scary.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-abc-news-george-stephanopoulos-interviews-president-joe/story?id=76509669

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Director of National Intelligence came out with a report today saying that Vladimir Putin authorized operations during the election to under — denigrate you, support President Trump, undermine our elections, divide our society. What price must he pay?

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: He will pay a price. I, we had a long talk, he and I, when we — I know him relatively well. And I– the conversation started off, I said, “I know you and you know me. If I establish this occurred, then be prepared.”

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You said you know he doesn’t have a soul.

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: I did say that to him, yes. And — and his response was, “We understand one another.” It was– I wasn’t being a wise guy. I was alone with him in his office. And that — that’s how it came about. It was when President Bush had said, “I looked in his eyes and saw his soul.” I said, “Looked in your eyes and I don’t think you have a soul.” And looked back and he said, “We understand each other.” Look, most important thing dealing with foreign leaders in my experience, and I’ve dealt with an awful lot of ’em over my career, is just know the other guy. Don’t expect somethin’ that you’re– that — don’t expect him to– or her to– voluntarily appear in the second editions of Profiles in Courage.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: So you know Vladimir Putin. You think he’s a killer?

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: Uh-huh. I do.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: So what price must he pay?

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: The price he’s gonna pay we’ll– you’ll see shortly.


https://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/366/379/764.jpg


Joe will send Harris to Red Square. That'll show'em! :doh: Tough talk from the basement.

[Jeff-Groves]

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: The price he’s gonna pay we’ll– you’ll see shortly.



:har:

I'll probably be able to fly flapping my arms before We see what 'shortly' means.

[Dowly]

Sanctions. This is not escalating anything, just things returning back to normalcy after four years of kissing Putin's behind by Trump.

[Jeff-Groves]

So your saying I'll never be able to fly by flapping my arms?
:o
That is SO disappointing!
:/\\!!

[Rockstar]

Sanctions. This is not escalating anything, just things returning back to normalcy after four years of kissing Putin's behind by Trump.

So going from putting forth an idea of trying to establish better relations with Russia. To calling the Russian head of state a killer, that he will pay for it, and we'll all see the results shortly. That's not escalation? I honestly believe you believe that. But I see it as an escalation though only because #1 International sanctions have already been in place since 2014 and #2 I don't think the guy is all there and may not realize what he just said.

[Catfish]

The Truman doctrine comes to mind..
"it must be the policy of the United States to support free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures."
Russia: stop killing people
China: stop geopolitical expansion
I wonder how he intends to put that through :hmmm:

re Rockstar so Trump making friends with Russia (for some uh personal reason) but protesting european trade with the latter

[Rockstar]

In case you haven't realized it yet Trump isn't president why keep bringing him up? Trump doesn't matter anymore and has no bearing on the fact our current one accused another head of state of being a killer and that we all should be seeing retribution shortly. And spare me the freedom and democracy crap. Merkel’s administration stands by Putin and Nord Stream 2, according to her own press office. I guess everyone else but Germany has to care about freeing the oppressed huh?


Hell, even Finland bent over for some of that Putin pipe. When they signed off allowing him to run it deep in her hairy little EEZ. She it likes when Putin lays that pipe too.

[MaDef]

So going from putting forth an idea of trying to establish better relations with Russia. To calling the Russian head of state a killer, that he will pay for it, and we'll all see the results shortly. That's not escalation? I honestly believe you believe that. But I see it as an escalation though only because #1 International sanctions have already been in place since 2014 and #2 I don't think the guy is all there and may not realize what he just said.

It's already escalated, The Russian Ambassador has been recalled.

[Catfish]

^ i was wondering if there was still an ambassador left, after all the announcements in the last months. Seriously, the usual back and forth of "i'll show him" plaid by all sides like in the middle ages.

re Rockstar Why keep bringing Trump up? Only when it matters; don't you think the last four years might have some impact on the current situation?
Maybe time to get real after those years of ridiculous Putin praise? Not that Biden had not said already in 2020 that he will not follow the often erratic course of the last four years.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/03/27/how-biden-would-change-u-s-russia-relations/

"Should Moscow try to meddle with American elections again, they would have no aversion to hitting back hard with “tough, new sanctions,” according to Wright. In fact, they might just demand highly punitive measures."

And we know they did it again in 2020, like in 2016, like with brexit.

But ok Biden should not have said this, i mean everyone knows it, like with Bin Salman.. so why do it here and not there?
(On the other hand it was good protocol to not kill or insult another "Statesman" too much, not even in times of war. Makes so much more sense to kill ten thousands of civilians instead.)
Whatever, it seems the isolationist days are over once again.

As a european i would support North Stream without making myself dependent on it, and also extend other trade relations with Russia. The EU "needs" liquid gas shipped from the US as they need soy beans – read: None.
Getting Huawei to help build the 5G net, hmm.. it's every country's own decision, also in the EU.

https://www.channele2e.com/business/enterprise/huawei-banned-in-which-countries/

[Rockstar]

The subject I brought up were the words spoken by someone I think isn't playing with a full deck of cards, So, no I dont see how that has anything to do with the last four years.


edit: As for the meddling that was 2016, five years ago, what was the accusation? That Russia used every major social media platform to influence the 2016 US election (doesnt everyone do that though?). Who were they idiots that listened to the trash? Probably the same kind of people who think Novichok is some secret formula that only Putin knows only manufactured at some undisclosed location in Siberia. Also, if its any consolation it's now 2021 there was no fraud found or Russian meddling mentioned last election so things seem to have suddenly have gotten fixed I guess. Again, like Trump ,2016 is very old news and doesn't matter.


As for Nordstream you should be happy to have it. Germany got it because it can, Germany has become center stage in European and regional politics and IMO was in fact flexing that muscle. I agree with Skybird when he said there is no reason Germany should have to kowtow to more expensive U.S. energy and it has just shown it can chart its own course. But then don't come here and start preaching to me of the evil's of Putin and telling me I should be doing something about it. All the while Germany and every European Coastal State including Finland bends over and spreads their cheeks for Putin's pipeline, works around the sanctions to makes deals with him. As ol' Willie said back in the day 'Ostpolitik'


https://asiatimes.com/2020/10/germanys-rise-shifts-its-relationship-with-russia/

[August]

Not that Biden had not said already in 2020 that he will not follow the often erratic course of the last four years.



Like 99% of what Biden says that sentence is irretrievably confused to the point of illegibility. It uses the word "not" three times in a single sentence! Is that like a Triple Negative? He won't say that he won't say that he won't follow a course, that while perhaps erratic in your opinion, still moved us in the right direction. Is that what you are trying to say?

As for your idea that Europe doesn't need our liquid gas, well fair enough but it's also just as true that we don't need to be defending Europe either when it is perfectly capable to defending itself. If you folks want to play with the bear then I am happy to stand back and let the bear consume you. We'll stay allied with the Brits like an unsinkable aircraft carrier stationed right off your shores and be prepared to fight and win WW3 on European ground like we did the last two.

[August]

This is an interesting article:


I’m really tired of the puppet show’s occupation of the White House. A lucid Joe Biden would have been a big enough nightmare as president. The people who are controlling the empty, babbling shell that resembles Joe Biden really seem to be intent on hastening the demise of the American experiment. I’m a little sick of it.
We probably don’t have to look too far to find out who is pulling his strings. Yesterday, der Bidengaffer referred to his number two in command as “President Harris (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/03/18/oh-boy-did-biden-just-say-the-quiet-part-out-loud-about-kamala-harris-n1433546).” Just another slip of the tongue or is she sitting at his desk in the Oval Office every day while he’s on the floor trying to not choke on Legos? Maybe she’s got some kind of dominatrix cosplay thing going on with him and she threatens to punish him if he doesn’t call her President Harris.


The Drooler in Chief’s verbal slip-ups are not amusing and they shouldn’t be ignored. As I have written many times, Biden’s age-related foibles are fair game for ridicule because of his job. If he were a Walmart greeter who didn’t know the president’s name we could blow it off. It’s a bit disturbing when the president of the United States can’t remember who the president of the United States is. And it’s very embarrassing when the official White House transcript has to cover for him (https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/03/18/byron-york-points-out-how-latest-white-house-transcript-helpfully-repaired-another-joe-biden-gaffe/).
Biden’s babbling is problematic enough. Heaven forbid that we have to rely on quick thinking and verbal orders from a president who can’t even read a script without shoving all of the feet in the room into his mouth.
When Grandpa Gropes isn’t exacerbating the crisis at the border hour by hour, he’s giving buyers’ remorse to labor unions who supported his presidential run. The latest is the United Auto Workers union, which Matt wrote about over at Townhall (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/03/18/we-have-another-i-told-you-so-moment-regarding-bidens-presidencyand-its-now-impacting-labor-unions-n2586465).
Biden’s only real success thus far is with the COVID-19 vaccine distribution. He owes his predecessor a huge debt of gratitude for that. Team Biden has merely taken an established success that Trump handed them and overseen its natural progression.
Biden’s only real response to the pandemic has been to bark about masks like a seal doing a show at Sea World. Spoiler alert, he’s wrong about that too (https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/03/18/new-data-further-calls-into-question-joe-bidens-edicts-on-mask-wearing-n345984).


Can we really take four years of this? Or four minutes of a “President Harris” after that?
Nobody is going to wake us up from this nightmare anytime soon. The only real hope for America is if the Republicans can steamroll the 2022 midterms and start playing a little impeachmentpalooza of their own.
If that doesn’t happen, that burning toast smell is only going to get stronger.



https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2021/03/19/the-morning-briefing-time-to-tell-idiot-king-biden-that-hes-awful-at-his-job-n1433533?fbclid=IwAR3IW9EMghTizT1a7GP1vbKGy_SmTD3E PNj3yB1X7h-7YB2Y-z0STIZZVfQ

[AVGWarhawk]

They all trip sooner or later. Hope he has Life Alert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73R11e5kNGk

[Catfish]

Like 99% of what Biden says that sentence is irretrievably confused to the point of illegibility. It uses the word "not" three times in a single sentence! Is that like a Triple Negative? He won't say that he won't say that he won't follow a course, that while perhaps erratic in your opinion, still moved us in the right direction. Is that what you are trying to say?
It is what I wrote, otherwise i would have put it in italics as a quote, and i think it is understandable? Why don't you read the link.
I have nothing against the US, but if you complain all the time it is too expensive and you don't give a f either for NATO, why don't you just pack and leave.

[AVGWarhawk]

It is what I wrote, otherwise i would have put it in italics as a quote, and i think it is understandable? Why don't you read the link.
I have nothing against the US, but if you complain all the time it is too expensive and you don't give a f either for NATO, why don't you just pack and leave.

My bags are backed. Please forward your address to me. See you soon. :O:

[Catfish]

They all trip sooner or later. Hope he has Life Alert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73R11e5kNGk
"The SUN", but still: Ouch! Would a president in a wheelchair be acceptable today?

[AVGWarhawk]

"The SUN", but still: Ouch! Would a president in a wheelchair be acceptable today?


Yes it would. It was in the past. The person in that chair commanded a lot of respect. Joe Biden has a long way to go in the respect department IMO.

[August]

I have nothing against the US, but if you complain all the time it is too expensive and you don't give a f either for NATO, why don't you just pack and leave.


I'd like to. Our last president tried to. Maybe someday we will.

[Onkel Neal]

They all trip sooner or later. Hope he has Life Alert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73R11e5kNGk


Good grief, he was one step away from rolling all the way back down. They need to assign a helper to him, he's pretty old. And I say that as a guy who ain't no spring chicken.

"The SUN", but still: Ouch! Would a president in a wheelchair be acceptable today?

I'm confused by what you mean "The SUN"...?? Are you pointing out that this is not being covered on the MSM like CNN, MSNBC, Wash Po, NYT, etc..? Oh yeah, I guess you're right.



https://youtu.be/PT4fATKBkRI?t=24

[nikimcbee]

They all trip sooner or later. Hope he has Life Alert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73R11e5kNGk


Curious if Trump was golfing near by? Must be a democrat thing, not being able to traverse stairs?

[Rockstar]

I think Gerald Ford still holds the record for slip-n-falls. Even made it into a skit on SNL.

[Skybird]

Such shoes I once had, too.

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/19/politics/george-w-bush-donald-trump-texas-tribune/index.html

[3catcircus]

Such shoes I once had, too.

You had these just like the ones Biden wears?

[em2nought]

You had these just like the ones Biden wears?


:up: Biden and his clown posse. :har:

[Rockstar]

Interesting article of the politics of Nordstream 2. Posted here only because its the most recent I can find which talks about Biden and the U.S. position on the project.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/gas-pipeline-nord-stream-2-links-germany-russia-splits-europe

Nord Stream 2 board chairman and former German chancellor “Gerhard Schröder supports Russian energy exports that in turn finance Russian war exports,” Reinhard Bütikofer, German member of the European Parliament and Green politician has said, while Norbert Röttgen, German conservative politician and chairman of the foreign affairs committee, has commented: “In my view, the federal government’s language regime that, as a private economic project, Nord Stream 2 has nothing to do with politics is unacceptable and provocative.”


Yet Finland, Denmark, Sweden Germany all worked hard to circumvent the sanctions against Russia and allowed Putin to lay pipe in their EEZ's. Then turn around and have audacity to come here and preach how evil everyone else is if they deal with him. :har:


I bet the U.S. is covertly supporting the Green Party. They seem exactly what Biden is looking for to protect his son's Ukraine interests :03:

[Gorpet]

Well that is the United States new President, You get what ya vote for! Where the hell is the "Button" ? The "Football" Oh' Nancy and Chuck... 2 Gramps that should have long ago been spending time reminiscing about their romper room times in the hidden rooms of their Congressional closets.

These people are the same *******s that were the so called leaders in our high schools and college. Not because they were smart oh no Oh Hell no..The rest of us looked upon them because they had the newest material things .They had money they were the families that Could not be questioned." i will leave this to your memories for those who have ever had one of their children come up to you at school and say,Hey that shirt your wearing we gave to goodwill last year" Look these politicians, movie stars corporate big wigs they are not as smart as the every day Joe that gets up and goes out there and works and fixies something for his fellow Citizen. Aren't you more important than a person whose only ability is to bounce a ball, sing a song, or some other nonsense .

Yes, let's give these people our children to educate and raise while we are working for What? The American Dream What the hell is that? Someone respond and tell me what that is? What the hell happened to The United States .Never mind we gave it away to the rich who told you..you can wear the shirt i gave away last year! And we will decide if your cunning enough and devious enough and can stomach sending your neighbors children's, but not your own to fight and die when and where ever we decide. you got a face, shiney teeth and can always remember you owe your allegiance to the party.

Now let's crack open that bottle of whisky and bring in those young daughters of the grass fed peoples who thought by sending us their best looking and young they would get a chance to get a shirt of their own.:har:

[Catfish]

^ Somehow funny how you always rant against "the rich" and the unfairness of how material things always accumuate on one side, still you'll be voting conservative and cement this forever. The dream that anyone can become a millionaire and be better than the rest. Or become president (as long as he/she is a milllionaire). :shucks:

[August]

US goes wobbly under Biden

Up to now, the theme of the Biden administration has been that whatever Trump did, they will do the opposite. The approach worked wonders during the campaign, but “opposite day” is a child’s game, not a sensible governing principle for the world’s superpower.
Yet the hate-Trump mantra is demanded by the peanut gallery of anti-American leftists and their media handmaidens setting the Biden agenda.

The result is blunder after blunder, at home and abroad. The most obvious example is the reckless rhetoric and idiotic policies stoking the migrant surge on our southern border. Similarly, the stunned gibberish from Biden aides after Chinese diplomats lectured (https://nypost.com/2021/03/18/us-china-diplomacy-talks-off-to-contentious-start/) and humiliated them last week is a sign of global trouble to come.

Connecting the dots of these and other mistakes suggests Biden took office while suffering from two major illusions. The first was that everything Trump did was a failure.

You could believe that only if you got all your ideas from Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, The Washington Post, New York Times, CNN and MSNBC. The Dems never recognized Trump’s legitimacy and the never-Trump media twisted the news instead of reporting it, creating a dishonest narrative of events. When Trump succeeded, they called it failure.
These distortions shaped Democratic talking points, and Biden, apparently lacking any ideas of his own, simply parroted them. Now that he’s trying to turn those talking points into policies, he’s the one creating actual disasters.
Biden’s second illusion grows out of the first and holds that America and the world were clamoring for four more years of the Obama-Biden administration.

It’s hardly surprising that a stumbling 78-year-old man with declining faculties was susceptible to nostalgia for a grand past. Problem is, the past wasn’t so grand. Or popular.

A trip down memory lane would have reminded him that Dems up and down the food chain were demolished during the Obama years, and stood at their lowest ebb in a century after the wipeout of the 2016 election.
But because Biden didn’t know or doesn’t remember why Trump was elected, he’s put in charge of important agencies veterans of those earlier failures, and they, too, apparently learned nothing.
Dems shrink from the charge that they favor open borders, but how else to describe what they’ve done?

They turned success into failure because Trump, over their unpatriotic resistance, had solved the caravan problem with a patchwork of programs. Building the wall, deportations of criminal aliens and agreements that kept asylum seekers in Mexico reduced incentives for Central Americans to make the long trek north.

One by one, Biden demolished those bulwarks. First came the promise that America would have a more humane policy once Trump was gone and a 100-day ban on deportations (https://nypost.com/2021/02/24/federal-judge-in-texas-blocks-biden-ban-on-deportations/), including criminals.

Once in office, he stopped wall construction and ended the “Remain in Mexico” policy for asylum cases, a combination that sent an unmistakable invitation to families and the ruthless coyotes who charge thousands of dollars to guide them to the border. Some in law enforcement call Biden the best friend the coyotes, sex traffickers and drug cartels ever had.
Even Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said many waiting in Central America view Biden as “the migrant president” (https://nypost.com/2021/03/10/mexico-says-biden-asylum-policies-boost-illegals-cartels/) because his policies welcomed them. That puts an extra burden on Mexico as the caravans cross its southern border and move north.
In response, Biden aides are playing word games by refusing to admit they created a crisis — while trying to hide the evidence. They slapped a gag order on border agents and blocked the media from photographing the bulging crowds of children and teens in what are described as “jail-like” facilities.

By comparison, Trump was transparent and available to the press to answer questions on all his policies. Biden also hides himself from the press.

The result is that while illegal immigration significantly declined under Trump, it is now rising dramatically. Tens of thousands already have come into the country under Biden, with taxpayers footing the bill for food, hotels and medical care. Many adult crossers tested positive for the coronavirus — yet were released into America.

Another result of Biden’s illusions is the China problem, and it too is on full display. The humiliating treatment (https://nypost.com/2021/03/19/biden-proud-of-team-after-china-mocks-us-at-alaska-summit/) of Secretary of State Tony Blinken by Chinese officials last week should wake the president’s team to the peril of trying to return to “normal” relations with the Asian giant, as if the rocky relations with China were all Trump’s fault.
In fact, Trump correctly read China’s ambitions for global dominance and the absolute necessity to push back on trade, military, cyber and human rights abuses across the region, including with Uighurs and Hong Kong. China didn’t like the pushback and openly supported Biden’s election.

Yet if Biden foolishly believed that meant there was common ground between him and President Xi Jinping (https://nypost.com/2021/03/19/biden-reminisces-about-travel-with-xi-jinping-after-china-mocks-him/), Thursday’s tongue-lashing should have been an eye-opener.

The withering assault, including the Communists’ claim that BLM protests and riots prove America’s weakness, demonstrated that China is no longer pretending to be a developing nation. It is now a confident adversary, one that must be confronted without gauzy illusions.

Thus, it is doubly worrisome that Friday, without mentioning the nasty meeting, Biden lapsed into fond memories of his time with President Xi — years ago.

His babbling disconnect underscores the doubts of whether Biden is mentally and physically capable of protecting America against a China determined to expand its global footprint.

https://nypost.com/2021/03/20/us-goes-wobbly-under-biden-goodwin/

[Rockstar]

The thing is about the idea that whatever Trump did Biden will do the opposite, is nonsense. There have been no policy changes. Granted we normally work under the last presidents economic policy for year after they leave office. But when it comes to foreign policy (that matters) nothing has changed one friggin bit. Which for the most part I don't really mind as I do agree with a lot with what we're doing. Empire or not for all our faults I still think we're best chance this world has for a stability. We're the richest, least populated on earth. If we fell this world would catch fire and go to hell in a hand basket real quick.

[Commander Wallace]

The thing is about the idea that whatever Trump did Biden will do the opposite, is nonsense. There have been no policy changes. Granted we normally work under the last presidents economic policy for year after they leave office. But when it comes to foreign policy (that matters) nothing has changed one friggin bit. Which for the most part I don't really mind as I do agree with a lot with what we're doing. Empire or not for all our faults I still think we're best chance this world has for a stability. We're the richest, least populated on earth. If we fell this world would catch fire and go to hell in a hand basket real quick.

Most of what you said is true as Biden has taken the same hard line with China as Trump did. Where they differ is the problem and issue with endless migrants and kids crossing the border into the U.S.

Biden needs to understand this is a National Security issue and act according, which he won't.

[Rockstar]

Immigration, like everything else in media seems is purposely made to be controversial so it can be used by politicians and gin up good ratings.


You cannot stop people from coming here and frankly that says a lot about our country. That the tired, poor, and huddled masses yearning to breathe free still want to come to our country and not theirs. If they seek asylum we have to entertain each and every one of those requests. Logistically its no easy task housing and caring for them while they wait for an asylum hearing, especially when they approach by the tens of thousands each year. But it gets done.

In my experience if they are not granted aslyum they are shipped back, I know, I took a lot of them back myself. Though there are always exceptions and a lot has to do with MOUs and other arrangements made with the government of their country of origin.

[mookiemookie]

Ever wonder why political media will only try and make you angry or fearful of something? Not make you consider things that will help you or others? Just all anger or fear.

Something to think about.

[Catfish]

Media like Fox News or Breitbart have been founded with the direct political goal to push their ideas through and denigrate all others, while their BS almost hit UK yellow press level. And since 4+ years all else are fake news anyway.

The time people think about why media act the way they do are gone, this ship has sailed. You either believe one, or the other. No self critic, no questioning. Though this is still a bit asymmetric, in political media.

[August]

Media like Fox News or Breitbart have been founded with the direct political goal to push their ideas through and denigrate all others, while their BS almost hit UK yellow press level. And since 4+ years all else are fake news anyway.

The time people think about why media act the way they do are gone, this ship has sailed. You either believe one, or the other. No self critic, no questioning. Though this is still a bit asymmetric, in political media.

A lot of inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions in that.

First off Fox News was not created with a political goal. A leftist like yourself may claim otherwise but your bias shows through loud and clear with your omission of the letter networks like CNN whose denigration of half the nation has been far more egregious than anything Fox or even Breitbart has published.

Secondly your absolutism is ridiculous. I don't "either believe one, or the other" about anything, nor do most people that I know. Some of that may have rubbed off on us through our close association over these past 7 decades but that's just another argument for leaving NATO.

[Rockstar]

Or how others like NYT, CNN, BBC, USNEWS, AP, Washington Post, NBC got people to rally behind and worship a suspected neo nazi and known racist as some kind of angel for freedom and democracy.

[Rockstar]

Wasn't too long ago in the other thread when many here gathered to lend support to a neo-nazi and a rascist and criticize Trump because he wouldn't take a tougher stance to defend their new found hero. Talk about media manipulation.

[Catfish]

Why was Fox Nesws created (https://news.yahoo.com/why-fox-news-created-105501886.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAzt18eE9HA3vOdKZAg1rNfo5DtX Ao2wRpAuq2YVfr6SX32eakcZWlFHVBUjg690WZ0mDoUQfgmZGX lrEfwsoDnnRWq0oSDpXsL29M7KJOdva4dVsefeO3HGlHhcQe-n4NQFgT9uNCufELkAP_Bg83RQDVTkkSvsPDKVUu6ew8oz)

[...] First off Fox News was not created with a political goal. [...]
This is (only) your opinion, and you canot stand seeing another? Of course, we see every day only germans have this black and white thinking. And if you want to leave the NATO just do it. The latter has nothing to do with Fox News other than similar spreading hate and diversion wherever possible.

[August]

Why was Fox Nesws created (https://news.yahoo.com/why-fox-news-created-105501886.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAzt18eE9HA3vOdKZAg1rNfo5DtX Ao2wRpAuq2YVfr6SX32eakcZWlFHVBUjg690WZ0mDoUQfgmZGX lrEfwsoDnnRWq0oSDpXsL29M7KJOdva4dVsefeO3HGlHhcQe-n4NQFgT9uNCufELkAP_Bg83RQDVTkkSvsPDKVUu6ew8oz)


This is (only) your opinion, and you canot stand seeing another?


Not at all but apparently you cannot stand to see someone disagree with you. As for NATO if it were up to me we'd be out of NATO today and out of Germany tomorrow.

[Onkel Neal]

Ever wonder why political media will only try and make you angry or fearful of something? Not make you consider things that will help you or others? Just all anger or fear.

Something to think about.

Agreed, it's really bad these days. there's almost no objective and unbiased media sources left. I really cannot think of any now.

[August]

Agreed, it's really bad these days. there's almost no objective and unbiased media sources left. I really cannot think of any now.


But was there ever? Seems to me that media sources have always been biased depending on who owned them. For example the Hearst newspaper empire was a major cheerleader for the Spanish American war. We might not have even fought it if they hadn't been whipping up war fever among the population.

[AVGWarhawk]

Ever wonder why political media will only try and make you angry or fearful of something? Not make you consider things that will help you or others? Just all anger or fear.

Something to think about.

It all boils down to ratings, viewership and how many companies are willing to pay top dollar for commercial spots. At the end of the day, it is all about MONEY.

[Onkel Neal]

But was there ever? Seems to me that media sources have always been biased depending on who owned them. For example the Hearst newspaper empire was a major cheerleader for the Spanish American war. We might not have even fought it if they hadn't been whipping up war fever among the population.

Oh no doubt, the yellow press has existed. But until the last decade or so it was at least a little more nuanced. Now it's no-holds barred.

[Catfish]

^ It's one thing to support one side of the political spectrum, but when it comes to outright lies Fox is in the lead.
This is old news and only one of a hundred examples, but do people forget so fast? E.g. about the corona "conspiracy"? All taking the pandemic serious just want to hurt Trump. Not to mention Mrs Greene, but Hannity accused other media of conspiracy theories?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-hannity-of-all-people-rips-conspiracy-theorists-in-the-media

Fox News and Fox Business did not make honest mistakes e.g. about election outcomes, but turned their nonsense and lies into rating numbers. I have never seen so much Bull being published as in the last four years, also true for german and other media too.

And then there's the argument all media are the same and lie all the time. What is neutral to reasonable is "leftist" in right wing's eyes, but by all means, the bias and lies are not symmetric. Maybe all lie, but some are literally outstanding.

So there's the "philosophical" question: What can anyone believe if there is no neutral information to get.

[August]

^ It's one thing to support one side of the political spectrum, but when it comes to outright lies Fox is in the lead.
This is old news and only one of a hundred examples, but do people forget so fast? E.g. about the corona "conspiracy"? All taking the pandemic serious just want to hurt Trump. Not to mention Mrs Greene, but Hannity accused other media of conspiracy theories?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-hannity-of-all-people-rips-conspiracy-theorists-in-the-media

Fox News and Fox Business did not make honest mistakes e.g. about election outcomes, but turned their nonsense and lies into rating numbers. I have never seen so much Bull being published as in the last four years, also true for german and other media too.

And then there's the argument all media are the same and lie all the time. What is neutral to reasonable is "leftist" in right wing's eyes, but by all means, the bias and lies are not symmetric. Maybe all lie, but some are literally outstanding.

So there's the "philosophical" question: What can anyone believe if there is no neutral information to get.


Quoting a Daily Beast (a publication about 2 steps to the left of the old USSR Pravda) is pretty biased on its face but your article STILL does not mention any of thsee lies that you claim Fox has repeatedly made. It talks a lot about the lies from NBC and such though so was your point to prove ours?

[Rockstar]

Quoting a Daily Beast (a publication about 2 steps to the left of the old USSR Pravda) is pretty biased on its face but your article STILL does not mention any of thsee lies that you claim Fox has repeatedly made. It talks a lot about the lies from NBC and such though so was your point to prove ours?


Whose contributing author also writes for Contemptor.com, no, no bias there. :roll: :haha:

There was a poll taken several years ago "67 percent of Republicans saw political bias in the news while only 26 percent of Democrats felt that way. Which tells us what? Doesn't mean there's anymore truth reported by one than the other. All it means is that Democrats are simply enjoying what the media is selling.

[Catfish]

Sure all this has escaped your attention?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nyt-nw-sean-hannity-coronavirus-hoax-20200312-3cbp7t5t5ffgjla64izir3nfau-story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/mar/10/fox-news-coronavirus-tucker-carlson-trish-regan

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/us/politics/coronavirus-conservative-media.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmW_H4U-MI

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/fox-news-covid-denial-hasnt-aged-well

https://khn.org/news/article/lie-of-the-year-the-downplay-and-denial-of-the-coronavirus/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/19/sean-hannity-denied-calling-coronavirus-hoax-nine-days-after-he-called-coronavirus-hoax/

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-hoax-idUSKBN25G2KM

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-5g-idUSKBN22P22I

[August]

You can post all the corporate owned media links you want. Since you wasted my time with the DB article I will leave it to you to post the pertinent passages.



FWIW though Fox didn't call the virus itself a hoax, just the over the top government response to it. That's a valid accusation that is just as pertinent today.

[em2nought]

Sure all this has escaped your attention?






It wasn't a hoax, it was a joint operation between the CCCP and the DNC to release something just nasty enough to curtail freedom and strengthen the state. Oh yeah, and get rid of that pesky Trump. :03: With the help of some election shenanigans .

[Armistead]

I went through 4 links and the only thing I see is they have a problem with some GOP and media say the virus was being used as a political tool to kill the economy, implement control, impact the election using covid as means to bypass state legislatures and a massive bail out of certain states failed economics, such as pensions.

[August]

I went through 4 links and the only thing I see is they have a problem with some GOP and media say the virus was being used as a political tool to kill the economy, implement control, impact the election using covid as means to bypass state legislatures and a massive bail out of certain states failed economics, such as pensions.


I thought so. Sometimes I think Catfish will post links that don't actually prove his point on the hope that we won't check them.

[Catfish]

^ You obviously did not.

The links i posted may be not the best ones, but if you want others/more/better just google Covid reports and Fox News. Still they are "a bit" more credible compared to Fox.

I went through 4 links and the only thing I see is they have a problem with some GOP and media say the virus was being used as a political tool to kill the economy, implement control, impact the election using covid as means to bypass state legislatures and a massive bail out of certain states failed economics, such as pensions.

"A problem with some GOP and media", yes you might say so,
from the links i already posted and that you try to ridicule:


Chicago Tribune:

Sean Hannity used his syndicated talk-radio program Wednesday to share a prediction he had found on Twitter about what is really happening with the coronavirus: It’s a “fraud” by the deep state to spread panic in the populace, manipulate the economy and suppress dissent.
“May be true” Hannity declared to millions of listeners around the country.

“This coronavirus?” Rush Limbaugh asked skeptically during his Wednesday program. “All of this panic is just not warranted.”

The Fox Business anchor Trish Regan told viewers Monday that the worry over coronavirus “is yet another attempt to impeach the president.”


The Guardian:

Fox Business host claims coronavirus is 'yet another attempt to impeach' Trump

Trump himself has been criticised for playing down the severity of the outbreak, for making false claims about the nature of the virus and for politicising the problem – in part by repeatedly claiming his opponents and the media are politicising it.

Trump has repeatedly claimed coronavirus is comparable to or less serious than the common flu – claims rebuffed by public health experts.


New York Times, like in the Chicago Tribune:

Where doctors and scientists see a public health crisis, President Trump and his media allies have seen a political coup afoot.

Mr. Limbaugh has offered clinical advice. Recently he defended his widely criticized comparison of the coronavirus to the common cold and suggested the timing of the coverage of the outbreak raised “a gigantic series of question marks and red flags.”

“It’s a matter of public health. How can these shills face their followers after all the lies and deceit?” asked Michael Savage, the radio host and author who was one of Mr. Trump’s earliest supporters in conservative media and urged him to run for president in 2011.


Vanity Fair:

Fox News’ COVID Denial Hasn’t Aged Well.

When reality caught up with them and coronavirus deaths began skyrocketing in late spring, they started shifting away from writing off early warnings about the pandemic as an attempt to “bludgeon Trump with [a] new hoax” and “needlessly panicking folks” over an outbreak that is not “even a fraction of the magnitude of the common flu.”

Tucker Carlson, who announced coronavirus “hasn’t been the disaster that we feared” and added this “short-term crisis may have passed…it looks like it may have” back in April.

During a back-and-forth with Sean Hannity in early June, Carlson nodded along and agreed as his colleague mocked predictions from expert virologists and epidemiologists and the news outlets that covered their warnings. “You know what’s amazing about the corona thing? Every model, every person: wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong,” said Hannity in a sanctimonious victory lap. “Everybody was wrong. Amazing.”

By June, Ingraham had had enough of the pandemic altogether. “The president and his campaign should simply not react to any of this alarmist COVID drivel from here on out,” she said.

Steve Hilton, a Fox weekend host, managed to perfectly showcase the down-is-up, bad-is-good alternate reality that Fox News has offered its viewers throughout the pandemic. “Right from the start, we told you the truth about this virus,” Hilton proudly blustered. “That most people have nothing to fear.”


KHN:

Lie of the Year: The Downplay and Denial of the Coronavirus

‘I Wanted to Always Play It Down’

T. fueled confusion and conspiracies from the earliest days of the coronavirus pandemic. He embraced theories that COVID-19 accounted for only a small fraction of the thousands upon thousands of deaths. He undermined public health guidance for wearing masks and cast Dr. Anthony Fauci as an unreliable flip-flopper.

Anonymous bad actors offered up junk science. Online skeptics made bogus accusations that hospitals padded their coronavirus case numbers to generate bonus payments. Influential TV and radio opinion hosts told millions of viewers that physical distancing was a joke and that states had all of the personal protective equipment they needed (when they didn’t).

It was a symphony of counter-narrative, and Trump was the conductor, if not the composer. The message: The threat to your health was overhyped to hurt the political fortunes of the president.

On Feb. 7, Trump leveled with book author Bob Woodward about the dangers of the new virus that was spreading across the world, originating in central China. He told the legendary reporter that the virus was airborne, tricky and “more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”

Trump told the public something else. On Feb. 26, the president appeared with his coronavirus task force in the crowded White House briefing room. A reporter asked if he was telling healthy Americans not to change their behavior.

“There are lots of sources of misinformation, and there are lots of elected officials besides Trump that have not taken the virus seriously or promoted misinformation,” said Brendan Nyhan, a government professor at Dartmouth College. “It’s not solely a Trump story — and it’s important to not take everyone else’s role out of the narrative.”


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And so on, but i'll stop since no one here will read it anyway. It all boils down to not taking the pandemic serious, sporting an anti-science stance and downplaying it. Later they said they downplayed it "to not cause a panic".
If you were republican and "good" americans you would not wear masks, you would fire Fauci, you would be all for opening all stores, and any lockdown and try to evade large crowds was done to "steal my freedom".
This is all understandable but it has a certain twisted bias, instead of accepting reality.

Still i take it the majority voted for someone else because of the difference between reporting and what all saw, with the then governments' response to the virus. You might add the storm for the Capitol, when Fox shortly tried to blame it on BLM, before some journalists left Fox and the latter lost 30 percent of its viewers.

But it's ok, won't do it again, takes too much time.

[MaDef]

@ catfish

“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.” Rahm Emanuel

From where I sit, the Government certainly took advantage of this "crisis." A 2.2% overall mortality rate does not really justify the extreme measures taken by some governments.

[Onkel Neal]

@ catfish

“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.” Rahm Emanuel

From where I sit, the Government certainly took advantage of this "crisis." A 2.2% overall mortality rate does not really justify the extreme measures taken by some governments.

Just a reminder, 1 year ago we hardly knew the full extent of this virus and how lethal it would be.

[3catcircus]

Just a reminder, 1 year ago we hardly knew the full extent of this virus and how lethal it would be.

True, but we did by midsummer. The link below is an interesting read - conclusion is that we continue with linear growth in covid cases *because* of masks, lockdowns, and social distancing. Had we not done that, yes, there would be a sharper peak, but we'd have already been done and over with the pandemic, even without herd immunity, full vaccinations, etc. Our measures are only prolonging the spread of covid.


https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/117/37/22684.full.pdf

[Sonicfire1981]

Just a reminder, 1 year ago we hardly knew the full extent of this virus and how lethal it would be.

Some did, especially in Italy. Others believed in Hydroxychloroquine at this time. And that April would make it go away miraculously.

[Sonicfire1981]

sidney-powell-argues-her-dominion-defamation-lawsuit-should-be-dropped-because-no-reasonable-person-would-believe-her/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/03/22/sidney-powell-argues-her-dominion-defamation-lawsuit-should-be-dropped-because-no-reasonable-person-would-believe-her/) (forbes.com)

:woot:

[3catcircus]

Some did, especially in Italy. Others believed in Hydroxychloroquine at this time. And that April would make it go away miraculously.

What do the numbers look like for places that still adhere to a protocol of HCQ or ivermectin when the patient is still early in the course of the infection?

[Sonicfire1981]

What do the numbers look like for places that still adhere to a protocol of HCQ or ivermectin when the patient is still early in the course of the infection?

largely irrelevant

[3catcircus]

largely irrelevant

If it works then it is relevant.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus/nih-revises-treatment-guidelines-for-ivermectin-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19

Very early on, doctors were prescribing HCQ with an antibiotic and zinc and doing so at the first sign of infection. Later, ivermectin was used - also at the first sign of infection. If it works, it works - even if we don't know why (we still don't know how aspirin actually works yet we use it because it works to relieve pain).

What is troubling is many western nations treating covid patients involving a regimen of doing nothing until late in the infection when they have to be hospitalized, instead of trying a regimen that may or may not work at the first sign of infection. Doctors don't wait for cancer or heart disease to progress - they try to address it was soon as possible; likewise, they try to give patients tamiflu within 48 hours of first symptoms. In a car crash, they don't wait for the person to lose 90% of they're blood before trying to stop the bleeding...

[AVGWarhawk]

Just a reminder, 1 year ago we hardly knew the full extent of this virus and how lethal it would be.

I think we had a very good idea at that time. An individual made a decision to stop travel and immigration from certain parts of the world to the US. He was seen as a nut and a whatever-phobic that fit the narrative at the time. There were others dancing in the streets in Chinatown somewhere CA saying all was well. It was an utter mess orchestrated by many in DC to remove a sitting president via impeachment or at an election(fair or not).

[August]

It's gonna get worse too...


A Texas (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/southwest/texas) ranch owner, John Sewell, said Thursday that he has "never seen" a migrant (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/immigration) surge as serious as the one that has developed in recent months under the Biden administration (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/executive/white-house), after defending his home from 12 migrants. (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/immigration/illegal-immigrants)


JOHN SEWELL: "I’ve been for about 25 years so I’ve seen this under many administrations, I’ve seen lots of trouble. But I’ve never seen it at this level and I’ve never seen it with this quality of people.


[I][The migrants] are more confrontational. They have something to lose. I don’t know if it’s because of human smuggling. You know my problem is I’m 40 miles from the border. So, it’s not like I’m sitting at the edge of the border and all these people are coming across the river to me.
The smugglers are bringing them here, dropping them off and they’re coming through my property and that in turn has caused lots of heartache for us. Not to mention they’re tearing down our fences, they’re coming to our houses at night. I have a daughter I won’t let walk on the driveway to jog or exercise because of this without having a dog with her. We’re kind of being left down here and the Border Patrol, their hands are tied."




https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-rancher-migrant-crime-worst-seen-biden-border-immigration

[Rockstar]

President's policy approach is the 'art of the possible'
https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/President-s-policy-approach-is-the-art-of-the-16054266.php


"We're gonna move on these one at a time, try to do as many simultaneous as we can," he said. "But that's the reason why I focused as I have." :doh:

...As some Republicans have questioned Biden's mental acuity - or pointed to an incident last week in which he fell three times climbing the steps to Air Force One - Biden showed few signs of stumbles.

He came armed with statistics and specifics, talking at length on a range of topics.

"Am I giving you too long an answer?" he asked on immigration.

"I apologize for spending more time on it," he said of infrastructure.

Asked about North Korea's missile launch, he quickly responded by citing the United Nations violation (Resolution 1718).

Still, he showed his tendency to meander. A question about gun control led him to pledge to put pipe fitters and miners to work capping wells.
He also grew defensive at times, when asked about whether the conditions in migrant detention centers were acceptable to him.

"That's a serious question, right?" he said. "Is it acceptable to me? C'mon."
And while he said that he planned and expected to run for reelection, he said he couldn't be certain.

"Look, I don't know where you guys come from, man," Biden said. ". . . I'm a great respecter of fate. I've never been able to plan four and a half, three and a half years ahead for certain."


Landslide Victory!

[August]

...As some Republicans have questioned Biden's mental acuity - or pointed to an incident last week in which he fell three times climbing the steps to Air Force One - Biden showed few signs of stumbles.


A Few signs???? The old dude barely knew where he was. Scripted questions, scripted answers that's all he's capable of and barely that.

[Rockstar]

After watching the press conference and reading this article further I took "Biden showed few signs of stumbles" as sarcasm.

[BrucePartington]

Bring the popcorn.


https://youtu.be/7iLcKXmEc6M

[August]

DOJ admits there's little evidence to support Jan. 6 sedition charges The Department of Justice has since said that a portion of the evidence is not actually quite as damning as was previously believed.




As the trials get underway for those who participated in the Capitol riot of Jan. 6, it turns out that the charges against these defendants are not as serious as the public was initially led to believe. The Department of Justice has since said that a portion of the evidence is not actually quite as damning as was previously believed.



Reuters reports (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-capitol-arrests-justice/amid-setbacks-prosecutors-abandon-some-claims-in-u-s-capitol-riot-cases-idUSKBN2BG30C) that none of those 400 who have been charged have been charged with sedition, which would be an incitement of rebellion. Instead, the most serious charge brought against any of the defendants has been assault. Two of the men who were charged with assault on Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick used bear spray in the attack.
Others have been charged with conspiracy, and obstruction. While five people lost their lives during the riot, only one was killed with a weapon, and that was Ashli Babbit, who died after being shot by an unnamed Capitol Police Officer. Sicknick was assaulted with bear spray, but died some time later and a cause of death has not been released. The other three suffered medical emergencies.
Much of the work of prosecutors has been in an attempt to prove that conspiracy. Less than 25 people are facing that charge, and ten people are said to have ties to the Oath Keeper militia movement.



https://thepostmillennial.com/doj-admits-theres-little-evidence-to-support-jan-6-sedition-charges?fbclid=IwAR2qC262S7nWMHRzuUB-9lJfiN8GmYHpzTIHxfOQtNKoq6vXQzLojVpDjLQ

[August]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l175F8kTZvQ&t=5s

[Rockstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l175F8kTZvQ&t=5s




But it was a Landslide!



What more could you ask for?


Honestly I feel bad for the guy, pretty soon I think people are going to really begin to wonder if he's fit enough. If its found he's not or rumor mill start heating things up, I really hope he can find a way to bow out gracefully and honorably. As for the gullible morons who rode the bandwagon and voted for him and the idiots who propped him up as a candidate. I have absolutely no compassion whats so ever for those clowns.

[Skybird]

I am not certain what to think of this. Therefore I take note of it but I delay forming an opinion on it, (if ever, since it does not affect me in any way anyway). But it is curious.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/baltimore-will-no-longer-prosecute-drug-possession-prostitution-low-level-n1262209

[3catcircus]

But it was a Landslide!



What more could you ask for?


Honestly I feel bad for the guy, pretty soon I think people are going to really begin to wonder if he's fit enough. If its found he's not or rumor mill start heating things up, I really hope he can find a way to bow out gracefully and honorably. As for the gullible morons who rode the bandwagon and voted for him and the idiots who propped him up as a candidate. I have absolutely no compassion whats so ever for those clowns.


Going to begin to wonder?

It was 100% evident last year to those of us with a relative suffering from dementia that Biden is clearly unwell.

Every time his campaign called a lid, it was because his lucidity was gone for the day. This is well-established that dementia sufferers often are fairly lucid in the morning but progressively decline as the day progresses.

This presser was a dumpster fire.

[August]

Speaking of lawsuits.


Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's brother and sister-in-law sued CNN in federal court for $75 million on Thursday, stating they were defamed by a report last month alleging they were members of the QAnon conspiracy group. Jack and Leslie Flynn, who live in Rhode Island, alleged in U.S. District Court in New York City that the CNN report on Feb. 4 falsely portrayed them as members of QAnon by selectively airing video footage from a family outing last Fourth of July where they joined Michael Flynn in reciting the oath to the Constitution that members of Congress take.
At the end of oath, Michael Flynn uttered the phrase "Where we go one, we go all," and the entire family responded, "God Bless America." CNN edited out the pledge and the "God Bless America" exclamation and claimed the phrase uttered by President Trump's national security adviser was an "infamous QAnon slogan," the suit alleged.


https://justthenews.com/accountability/media/michael-flynns-relatives-sue-cnn-75-million-over-report-alleging-qanon

[Gorpet]

[QUOTE=Catfish;2737782]^ Somehow funny how you always rant against "the rich" and the unfairness of how material things always accumuate on one side, still you'll be voting conservative and cement this forever. The dream that anyone can become a millionaire and be better than the rest. Or become president (as long as he/she is a milllionaire). :shucks:[/QUOTE

Yes i do rant against the rich politicians and their families. Because they seem to acquire wealth way beyond their paid positions. And the truth is if your not a millionaire at least here in America. Don't bother running for a seat on the local city council.Must less running for President... and the dream of becoming a millionaire are for those who spend their money playing the lotto every week . There is no real conservatives left in this country only players of the game of Thrones.

[3catcircus]

[QUOTE=Catfish;2737782]^ Somehow funny how you always rant against "the rich" and the unfairness of how material things always accumuate on one side, still you'll be voting conservative and cement this forever. The dream that anyone can become a millionaire and be better than the rest. Or become president (as long as he/she is a milllionaire). :shucks:[/QUOTE

Yes i do rant against the rich politicians and their families. Because they seem to acquire wealth way beyond their paid positions. And the truth is if your not a millionaire at least here in America. Don't bother running for a seat on the local city council.Must less running for President... and the dream of becoming a millionaire are for those who spend their money playing the lotto every week . There is no real conservatives left in this country only players of the game of Thrones.

Pretty much this. We no longer have robber barons who worked hard to get where they are and then engage in philanthropy. All we have now are robbers.

[Torpex77]

[QUOTE=Catfish;2737782]^ Somehow funny how you always rant against "the rich" and the unfairness of how material things always accumuate on one side, still you'll be voting conservative and cement this forever. The dream that anyone can become a millionaire and be better than the rest. Or become president (as long as he/she is a milllionaire). :shucks:[/QUOTE

Yes i do rant against the rich politicians and their families. Because they seem to acquire wealth way beyond their paid positions. And the truth is if your not a millionaire at least here in America. Don't bother running for a seat on the local city council.Must less running for President... and the dream of becoming a millionaire are for those who spend their money playing the lotto every week . There is no real conservatives left in this country only players of the game of Thrones.

Totally agree..was going to run against Joe Courtney in CT when I lived there and just what it would take to "get on the Ballot" was impossible for a normal average American with a family. Its damn near infuriating...they talk about anger..I think there more anger/frustration now than in 16.

[Moonlight]

[QUOTE=Catfish;2737782]^ Somehow funny how you always rant against "the rich" and the unfairness of how material things always accumuate on one side, still you'll be voting conservative and cement this forever. The dream that anyone can become a millionaire and be better than the rest. Or become president (as long as he/she is a milllionaire). :shucks:[/QUOTE

Yes i do rant against the rich politicians and their families. Because they seem to acquire wealth way beyond their paid positions. And the truth is if your not a millionaire at least here in America. Don't bother running for a seat on the local city council.Must less running for President... and the dream of becoming a millionaire are for those who spend their money playing the lotto every week . There is no real conservatives left in this country only players of the game of Thrones.

I must say this must be how every western nations are at the moment and there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of the old way ever coming back, whatever that was. :o

I'm in the middle of all this, I'm not rich and I'm no where near being poor, but whenever a politician hits the TV screen I always think "you bent bastard", money makes the world go round but it doesn't stop them from being incompetent pillocks does it.

[3catcircus]

[QUOTE=Gorpet;2739103]

I must say this must be how every western nations are at the moment and there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of the old way ever coming back, whatever that was. :o

I'm in the middle of all this, I'm not rich and I'm no where near being poor, but whenever a politician hits the TV screen I always think "you bent bastard", money makes the world go round but it doesn't stop them from being incompetent pillocks does it.

I think we're where we are because good people chose not to stop the corrupt before they got into positions of power.

Even people who start out with the best of intentions are corruptible and need to hear the word "no" a lot more often.

Look at a Jeff Bezos. National honor society student scholar. Worked at McDonalds as a teen. Does well in college, graduates with engineering degrees, and starts doing good things career-wise. It probably wasn't until he started working in banking and hedge funds that he became corrupt - because banking and entertainment draw the unethical and the morally bankrupt where terrible behavior is encouraged.

Had Amazon stayed an online bookseller, Bezos would still be wealthy beyond belief. Now, however, with all of the unethical executives either not telling him no or themselves not being told no, we are at a point where Amazon steals from the people who sell via their online store - copying good ideas and products and then undercutting the small businesses who originally came up with them.

The Wolf of Wall Street should be taught in business school ethics courses - where that behavior was (and still is) the norm rather than the exception. We didn't even put any of the people who caused the 2008 crash in jail - we bailed them out and let their companies pay them bonuses.

Entertainment is the same - people who have too much access to wealth, poor impulse control, and enablers who won't say no.

Politics? Lying, cheating, and stealing are a way of life.

Sure, there are some people who are evil from birth, but most people become immoral and unethical because they are surrounded by others who encourage such behavior as expected.

[Bilge_Rat]

interesting article on the judicial process surrounding the jan. 6 riots.

Even though Biden's DOJ has been aggressively pushing the narrative that this was an "armed insurrection", it looks like they don't have the evidence to back it up and most "rioters" will be able to plead to simple trespassing with no jail time:

Americans outraged by the storming of Capitol Hill are in for a jarring reality check: Many of those who invaded the halls of Congress on Jan. 6 are likely to get little or no jail time.

While public and media attention in recent weeks has been focused on high-profile conspiracy cases against right-wing, paramilitary groups like the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys, the most urgent decisions for prosecutors involve resolving scores of lower-level cases that have clogged D.C.’s federal district court.

A POLITICO analysis of the Capitol riot-related cases shows that almost a quarter of the more than 230 defendants formally and publicly charged so far face only misdemeanors. Dozens of those arrested are awaiting formal charges, even as new cases are being unsealed nearly every day.


In recent days, judges, prosecutors and defense attorneys have all indicated that they expect few of these “MAGA tourists” to face harsh sentences.

There are two main reasons: Although prosecutors have loaded up their charging documents with language about the existential threat of the insurrection to the republic, the actions of many of the individual rioters often boiled down to trespassing. And judges have wrestled with how aggressively to lump those cases in with those of the more sinister suspects.

“My bet is a lot of these cases will get resolved and probably without prison time or jail time,” said Erica Hashimoto, a former federal public defender who is now a law professor at Georgetown. "One of the core values of this country is that we can protest if we disagree with our government. Of course, some protests involve criminal acts, but as long as the people who are trying to express their view do not engage in violence, misdemeanors may be more appropriate than felonies.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/30/jan-6-capitol-riot-jail-time-478440

[Onkel Neal]

Had a great start to my day with this article from the solid gold Kevin Williamson about that ninny from Massachusetts and her hare-brained tax ideas. :arrgh!:

Elizabeth Warren Is a Ridiculous, Power-Hungry Crackpot (https://www.nationalreview.com/the-tuesday/elizabeth-warren-is-a-ridiculous-power-hungry-crackpot/)

Elizabeth Warren — the ridiculous hustling flatbilly grifter from Massachusetts from Oklahoma who snookered the academic establishment by pretending to be a Native American while writing dopey self-help books that are so sloppy and intellectually dishonest that it’s a surprise skeezy old Joe Biden hasn’t plagiarized them yet, a political grotesque who prides herself on being in the first generation of her family to attend college but rage-tweets as though she were in the first generation in her family with opposable thumbs, as ghastly and deceitful and god-awful a sniveling and self-serving a creature as the United States Congress has to offer — is, in spite of the genuine facts of her sorry case, getting a little full of herself, and believes that as a senator, she should be above the petty “heckling” of the little people.




At issue is the senator’s recent social-media spat with Amazon. Because Senator Warren is as dreadfully predictable as a chlamydia outbreak in West Roxbury, you can imagine the insipidity of her complaint: “Blah blah blah, fair share, higher taxes on everybody except important hometown business interests and rich liberals in Cambridge, blah blah blah, Amazon.” Etc.

To which Amazon offered a perfectly sensible response, if I may paraphrase: “You’re in the Senate, you ridiculous ninny — and you are even on the freakin’ committee that writes tax legislation. You got a problem with tax law? We know a counterfeit Cherokee princess repping Massachusetts you might want to have a quiet word in private with.”

(My words, not theirs. Should have been theirs, though.)

Senator Warren, because dishonesty is her reflexive instinct (remember that bullsh** made-up story about being fired from a teaching job for being pregnant?), protested: “I didn’t write the loopholes you exploit.”

Well, senator . . . this is going to be kind of awkward!

Do you know what another word for “loophole” is? Law. Loopholes aren’t manufactured at some overseas sweatshop loophole factory operated by Charles Koch’s evil cousin Skippy — they are manufactured right there in the august body that is the United States Senate Committee on Finance, of which Senator Elizabeth Warren is, insanely enough, an actual member. She may as well have a sign on her door reading “Loopholes ’R’ Us.”

This is Senator Warren’s mess. Jeff Bezos just pays the bills.

[Skybird]

Arabs Warn Biden: We Do Not Want Another Obama

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17138/arabs-biden-obama

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_E3HquRJY


Be ye warned, thar be cussing in that video!

[Rockstar]

Arabs Warn Biden: We Do Not Want Another Obama

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17138/arabs-biden-obama

From the gatestone article linked above

The Biden administration was dealing harshly with Riyadh "because of one crime, the killing of Khashoggi, while rehabilitating Tehran, which has carried out a million crimes worse than Khashoggi's crime." — Emad El Din Adeeb, al-ain.com, March 3, 2021. The below link tells us that Biden is following Trump's lead on Saudi relations.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/28/white-house-defends-decision-not-to-punish-saudi-crown-prince-mbs.html

WASHINGTON – The White House on Sunday defended its decision to not target Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman after a U.S. intelligence report linked the royal to the 2018 murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi...

....“We believe there are more effective ways to make sure that this doesn’t happen again and also to leave room to work with the Saudis on areas where there is mutual agreement,” Psaki said.


Of course he's well spoken so he gets a pass



https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/images/Logo.png

https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/

Looking up sanctions on Saudi Arabia aaaand nope no sanctions. Looking up sanctions on Iran next aaaand yep there's still a few around. ;)




As I previously posted NOTHING has fundamentally changed.

[Catfish]

From the gatestone article linked above
The below link tells us that Biden is following Trump's lead on Saudi relations.
[...]
Looking up sanctions on Saudi Arabia aaaand nope no sanctions. Looking up sanctions on Iran next aaaand yep there's still a few around. ;)
As I previously posted NOTHING has fundamentally changed.

^ So we all can be happy again.
So the link SB quoted is from the "Gatestone Institute"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/gatestone-institute/
https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-gatestone-institute/
https://theintercept.com/2018/03/23/gatestone-institute-john-bolton-chairs-an-actual-fake-news-publisher-infamous-for-spreading-anti-muslim-hate/

When Arabs warn, i guess it depends which "Arabs" warn ;)

[Rockstar]

Its true. But also consider that contrary to Biden's very loud campaign promise to punish the Saudis for the Kasshoggi murder. He just flat out lied and followed the Trump doctrine without some much as batting of an eye

But he is well spoken and friends with Corn Pop, so he gets a pass.

[Skybird]

From the gatestone article linked above

The below link tells us that Biden is following Trump's lead on Saudi relations.




Of course he's well spoken so he gets a pass



https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/images/Logo.png

https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/

Looking up sanctions on Saudi Arabia aaaand nope no sanctions. Looking up sanctions on Iran next aaaand yep there's still a few around. ;)




As I previously posted NOTHING has fundamentally changed.
Its the perception of what is beign done by Biden that counts on the Arab streets. The Gatestone article lists a long list of quotes of Arab assessments of how the new biden amdinistratio ticks, and true or niot - these will infuence public opinions on the sdtreet. They seem to do this becasue they are snapped that tzhe report on the Kashoggi case was released and SA did not get away too nicely.



While Biden currently more or less holds course of his predecessor regarding Iran, we will see how long this lasts, espoecialyl once Harris - most likely - has taken over from him sometime later during his term. Biden was said to have been ver yunfluential on Obama and his take on ME policy. And the Obama policies I did not like one bit, they were surreal, unrealistic and heavily naive, doing quite some stratgeic damage to the US' interests in the region. Especially the Saudis have not forgotten that.

[AVGWarhawk]

But he is well spoken and friends with Corn Pop

He is one bad dude.

[Skybird]

From the gatestone article linked above

The below link tells us that Biden is following Trump's lead on Saudi relations.




Of course he's well spoken so he gets a pass



https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/images/Logo.png

https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/

Looking up sanctions on Saudi Arabia aaaand nope no sanctions. Looking up sanctions on Iran next aaaand yep there's still a few around. ;)




As I previously posted NOTHING has fundamentally changed.
Its the perception of what is being done by Biden that counts on the Arab streets. The Gatestone article lists a long list of quotes of Arab assessments of how the new Biden administration ticks, and true or not - these will influence public opinions on the street, every lie catches followers if it is repeated often enough. They seem to do this "reporting" because they are snapped that the American report on the Kashoggi case was released and SA did not get away too nicely.



While Biden currently more or less holds course of his predecessor regarding Iran, we will see how long this lasts, especially once Harris - most likely - has taken over from him sometime later during his term. Biden was said to have been very influential on Obama and his take on ME policy. And the Obama policies I did not like one bit, they were surreal, unrealistic and heavily naive, doing quite some strategic damage to the US' interests in the region. Especially the Saudis have not forgotten - nor forgiven - that. It might be the one reason explaning their sensitivity better than the Kashoggi report. The Kashoggi repport is embarassing for them - Obama'S policy touched their essential political survival interests.

[Rockstar]

Its the perception of what is beign done by Biden that counts on the Arab streets. The Gatestone article lists a long list of quotes of Arab assessments of how the new biden amdinistratio ticks, and true or niot - these will infuence public opinions on the sdtreet. They seem to do this becasue they are snapped that tzhe report on the Kashoggi case was released and SA did not get away too nicely.



While Biden currently more or less holds course of his predecessor regarding Iran, we will see how long this lasts, espoecialyl once Harris - most likely - has taken over from him sometime later during his term. Biden was said to have been ver yunfluential on Obama and his take on ME policy. And the Obama policies I did not like one bit, they were surreal, unrealistic and heavily naive, doing quite some stratgeic damage to the US' interests in the region. Especially the Saudis have not forgotten that.


Indeed, perception, image, manner of speech are the primary factors in both domestic and international politics. Designed for public consumption and its all that really matters to them anyways. There is no more investigative journalism, no inquiries, nobody writes their representatives with serious questions. There's just the party press release.

Case in point when Americans jumped on the anti-Trump bandwagon because he wouldn't punish Putin for poisoning Navalny. In their frenzy to get Trump. The lemmings would rather support a racist, neo nazi known to associate with skinheads and who promoted murder as a solution to getting rid of immigrants. Why? because the media told them too and they were fekking lazy to think for themselves. Like I said before whoever came up with that talking point should have been fired on the spot, shame on them. And shame on the lemmings who fell for it. It was so easy to find out who this guy was. So easy to find out there are more than Russians that produce A-232. For chrissakes you can get the chemical breakdown for 30 bucks on Amazon.

[Skybird]

From an Austrian blog:
Who is still afraid of Joe Biden?


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.andreas-unterberger.at/2021/04/wer-frchtet-sich-noch-vor-joe-bidenij/

[Onkel Neal]

^

When Arabs warn, i guess it depends which "Arabs" warn ;)

:Kaleun_Applaud:

[Skybird]

Kissinger on the need for the US and Biden to learn to accept that the world is changing to America's detriment.



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kissinger-warns-washington-accept-new-global-system-or-face-pre-wwi-geopolitical

[3catcircus]

Kissinger on the need for the US and Biden to learn to accept that the world is changing to America's detriment.



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kissinger-warns-washington-accept-new-global-system-or-face-pre-wwi-geopolitical

This change started decades ago when marxists infiltrated America's colleges and universities. Those college students then went on to careers in politics and business and it has taken this long for their policies to bear fruit - countries on fiat currency instead of tied to a valuable metal standard, constant brushfire wars to keep a military-industrial complex propped up, and a 1984-style falsehood is truth approach taken by the media who do nothing but encourage division.

Couple that with generations of US governmental "policy experts" (educated at those infiltrated universities) who have no clue how to deal with strongmen, dictators, corrupt foreign officials, or communist/Marxist governments.

Just as an example - the US has allowed thousands of foreign college students from China over the years even though 99.9% of them are thieving spies who have stolen technology and military secrets, because they pay full tuition price. Such a short-sighted approach when the tuition pause is a fraction of the financial losses and loss of military edge as a result of that theft and espionage. They've even been so bold as to establish Confucius Institutes at many of these universities where they can propagate their communism and act as a hub to coordinate illegal activities and recruitment and conversion of US college students.

[Catfish]

^ you did not bother to read the geopolitical link with Kissinger?
I admit he of course has blood on his hands (not that you would care), but his observations are spot on.

[3catcircus]

^ you did not bother to read the geopolitical link with Kissinger?
I admit he of course has blood on his hands (not that you would care), but his observations are spot on.

Oh, I read it. Kissinger is part of the problem. His involvement in diplomacy starting in the 1960s is what set us on this path of self-destruction. Globalism, appeasement of your enemies, and refusal to focus on your own nation's interests as the basis of your diplomacy is a problem that he, as well as most diplomats, has.

Your ambassadors should come from a position of looking out for your own country first rather than of an eagerness to give in to the other country's desires.

Game theory and chaos theory ought to be part of any diplomat's training. Instead we get political appointees based upon their ability to have raised funds during a president's campaign and who, by their very nature, are happy to be bribed by a foreign agent.

[mapuc]

(following is nothing more than a funny input in the US political discussion)

(Imagine a Borg cube where all sides of it has a picture of Biden-Huge covering the entire side)

Approaching Earth

Earthling-You will be assimilated Into the Dems Collective, where you will become a drone - resistance is futile

End if nothing more than a funny....

Markus

[Reece]

Smoking too much weed Markus!! :D

[Buddahaid]

Well I've smoked too much and I didn't get there, what's going on, is there no one I can trust....????:k_confused::Kaleun_Cheers:

[Skybird]

Military U-turn. Not only will the US not reduce troops presence in Germany - it will even boost it by around 500.

[Rockstar]

We changed our mind because Merkle was colluding with Putin over Nordstream2. :D

[Rockstar]

The liberal lemmings err I mean Democrats love the military industrial war machine more than most. Its why Trump had to go. ;).

New Poll: US Military Occupations Supported By Far More Democrats Than Republicans

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/01/11/new-poll-us-military-occupations-supported-by-far-more-democrats-than-republicans/

https://i2.wp.com/caitlinjohnstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-11-at-1.53.49-PM.jpg?w=562&ssl=1

This didn’t happen by itself, and it didn’t happen by accident. American liberals didn’t just spontaneously start thinking endless military occupations of sovereign nations is a great idea yesterday, nor have they always been so unquestioningly supportive of the agendas of the US war machine. No, Democrats support the unconscionable bloodbaths that their government is inflicting around the world because they have been deliberately, methodically paced into that belief structure by an intensive mass media propaganda campaign...


Trump’s occasional positive impulses, like the agenda to withdraw US troops from Syria and Afghanistan, are painted as weakness and foolishness by the intelligence veterans who now comprise so much of corporate liberal media punditry (https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/mainstream-media-outlets-keep-hiring-cia-intel-veterans-and-its-gross-62490d866362).

And their audience laps it up because by now mainstream liberals have been trained to have far more interest in opposing Trump than in opposing war.

https://i1.wp.com/pbs.twimg.com/media/DwfnNU-XQAEYahL.jpg?resize=1000%2C1000&ssl=1

And how sick is that?



Obviously Trump has advanced a lot of toxic agendas which need to be ferociously opposed, but how warped does your mind have to be to make a religion out of that opposition which is so all-consuming that it eclipses even the natural impulse to avoid inflicting death and destruction upon your fellow man?

How viciously has the psyche of American liberals been brutalized with mass media psyops to drive them into this psychotic, twisted reality tunnel?


There was one group in the aforementioned survey which was not nearly as affected by the propaganda as armchair liberals.



To the statement “The U.S. has been engaged in too many military conflicts in places such as Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan for too long, and should prioritize getting Americans out of harm’s way,” military households responded 54 percent that this statement aligns with their view.

Turns out when it’s your own family’s blood and limbs on the line, people are a lot less willing to commit to endless violence. Sixty percent of Republicans agreed with this statement, while only 41 percent of Democrats did.

Could these statistics have something to do with the fact that younger veterans are statistically much more likely to be Republicans than Democrats (https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/security-military/veterans-republican-party-affiliation/)?

Is it possible that a major reason Trump beat Hillary Clinton, and a major reason Republicans are now far less bloodthirsty than Democrats, is because mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers are tired of flag-draped coffins being shipped home containing bodies which were ripped apart for no legitimate reason in senseless military entanglements on the other side of the world?

Seems likely. And it also seems likely that the mass media propaganda machine is having a harder time steering people toward war once they’ve personally tasted its true cost.Now that we have another war brewing where did all the liberal pyscho get trump koolaid drinking war mongering windbags go too? The silence is deafening.

[Jimbuna]

US President Joe Biden is set to announce that American troops will leave Afghanistan by 11 September, officials have told US media.

The US would miss a May deadline for a pull-out agreed with the Taliban by the Trump administration last year.

The new deadline would coincide with the 20th anniversary of the terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in the US in 2001.

Mr Biden had previously said the 1 May deadline would be tough to meet.

US and Nato officials have said the Taliban, a hardline Islamist movement, have so far failed to live up to commitments to reduce violence.

The Taliban have been warned that if they attack US troops during the pull-out phase, they "will be met with a forceful response", said a senior administration official who was briefing reporters.

Mr Biden had decided a hasty withdrawal that would put US forces at risk was not a viable option, the official added.

At the same time, a review of US choices determined that now was the time to close the book on the 20-year conflict in Afghanistan to focus on more acute threats.

Mr Biden is due to make the announcement himself on Wednesday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56737563

[Rockstar]

US President Joe Biden is set to announce that American troops will leave Afghanistan by 11 September, officials have told US media.

The US would miss a May deadline for a pull-out agreed with the Taliban by the Trump administration last year.

The new deadline would coincide with the 20th anniversary of the terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in the US in 2001.

Mr Biden had previously said the 1 May deadline would be tough to meet.

US and Nato officials have said the Taliban, a hardline Islamist movement, have so far failed to live up to commitments to reduce violence.

The Taliban have been warned that if they attack US troops during the pull-out phase, they "will be met with a forceful response", said a senior administration official who was briefing reporters.

Mr Biden had decided a hasty withdrawal that would put US forces at risk was not a viable option, the official added.

At the same time, a review of US choices determined that now was the time to close the book on the 20-year conflict in Afghanistan to focus on more acute threats.

Mr Biden is due to make the announcement himself on Wednesday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56737563




We created the Taliban to fight Russians when they were in Afghanistan. Russians 'asked' us they be allowed withdraw peacefully. But the Talban harrassed them all the way back to mother Russia.

We couldn't control them then, I doubt we will control them now.

[Jimbuna]

We couldn't control them then, I doubt we will control them now.

Most likely :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Hours after US President Joe Biden proposed a summit with Russia's Vladimir Putin, the Kremlin has said it will study the idea.

"It is early to talk about this meeting in terms of specifics," said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

Mr Biden made the proposal on the phone with Mr Putin, raising concerns about Russia's troop build-up on Ukraine's borders, the White House said.

Mr Biden also spoke of building a "stable and predictable" relationship.

The phone-call late on Tuesday was only the second conversation that President Biden has had with Russia's leader since he took office in January. Moscow recalled its ambassador for consultations last month after Mr Biden said he considered President Putin to be a "killer".

Mr Biden's predecessor, Donald Trump, met Mr Putin in Finland in 2018 and Finnish President Sauli Niinisto has reportedly offered to host a new summit.

Mr Niinisto's office said in a statement that he had a long call with the Russian leader on Tuesday evening and expressed concern about the troop build-up.

Mr Peskov said on Wednesday that "without doubt bilateral ties are important".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56746138

[mapuc]

I must have suffered from some type of time amnesia.

How much I try I can only remember Obama before Biden...I know this isn't true there is a empty time space of 4 years.

I really want to remember who was the president between these two.

Markus

[3catcircus]

Hours after US President Joe Biden proposed a summit with Russia's Vladimir Putin, the Kremlin has said it will study the idea.

"It is early to talk about this meeting in terms of specifics," said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

Mr Biden made the proposal on the phone with Mr Putin, raising concerns about Russia's troop build-up on Ukraine's borders, the White House said.

Mr Biden also spoke of building a "stable and predictable" relationship.

The phone-call late on Tuesday was only the second conversation that President Biden has had with Russia's leader since he took office in January. Moscow recalled its ambassador for consultations last month after Mr Biden said he considered President Putin to be a "killer".

Mr Biden's predecessor, Donald Trump, met Mr Putin in Finland in 2018 and Finnish President Sauli Niinisto has reportedly offered to host a new summit.

Mr Niinisto's office said in a statement that he had a long call with the Russian leader on Tuesday evening and expressed concern about the troop build-up.

Mr Peskov said on Wednesday that "without doubt bilateral ties are important".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56746138

We all know the Kremlin's response was a polite "F&$@ off," if even that. I saw it as Putin putting Biden on his "pay no mind" list.

[Rockstar]

After Biden accused a legitimate head of state of being a 'killer'. Afterwards Putin offered an open debate. Think about it, an opportunity for two powerful heads of State to share thoughts and opinions for the world to see. But Im afraid we dont have a president who is capable of public speech without embarassing himself and the nation.

I heard Finland's, and Russia's leaders speak. Instead we send warships and only hear about phone calls being made but absolutely no content what was said.

[mapuc]

Will it be a summit where one of them have a hidden agenda =determined on his goal.

During our history there has been a lot of these..Chamberlain meeting with Hitler..despite "peace in our lifetime" Hitler had during their meetings a hidden agenda.

Markus

[Catfish]

I must have suffered from some type of time amnesia. How much I try I can only remember Obama before Biden...I know this isn't true there is a empty time space of 4 years.
It is not about time, there indeed is an empty, black nothing.
I really want to remember who was the president between these two. Markus
Oh no you don't :haha:

[mapuc]

It is not about time, there indeed is an empty, black nothing.

Oh no you don't :haha:

It was a few days ago when I heard in the news on the radio where they mentioned Biden.

This got me to think of the President who was before him, and I tell you standing in the kitchen trying to remember his name..I just couldn't

Now I know who it was, but for me he will be mentioned as Former President this as a gift to Neal, who asked us not to mention him anymore. He's gone end of story.

Markus

[August]

Screw that. This childish name game smacks of the loathsome cancel culture tactics used by the social justice creeps and Mama Augusts little boy just won't play that.

Donald J. Trump was the 45th President of these United States. Donald J. Trump could possibly be the 47th too (or at least the kingmaker of who does) so you all will likely be saying his name again quite soon whether you want to or not. :)

[Buddahaid]

Stop mumbling I can't hear you.

[August]

Stop mumbling I can't hear you.


You have to combat social intolerance wherever you find it.

[ET2SN]

You have to combat social intolerance wherever you find it.

..by being an A-hole. :haha:

[Reece]

Totally uncalled for remark! :nope:

[ET2SN]

Totally uncalled for remark! :nope:

You might not understand the punchline, our Uncle Joe The Communist just gave us 1,400 smack-er-oos to spend like drunken sailors. :Kaleun_Cheers:

I'm serious. like as of today. :yep:

I'm sure its really going to bother August when he has spend all of that freebie money. :haha:

[Rockstar]

You might not understand the punchline, our Uncle Joe The Communist just gave us 1,400 smack-er-oos to spend like drunken sailors. :Kaleun_Cheers:

I'm serious. like as of today. :yep:

I'm sure its really going to bother August when he has spend all of that freebie money. :haha:


WTH freebie? Ferchrissake its not free, its not the governments money, its not Uncle Joes money.


Its my money. Its your money, money every one of us worked goddamn hard for that comes out of our paycheck.

[August]

WTH freebie? Ferchrissake its not free, its not the governments money, its not Uncle Joes money.

Its my money. Its your money, money every one of us worked goddamn hard for that comes out of our paycheck.


This, so this. I'm tired of liberals acting like they are giving me something they didn't take from me in the first place.

[ET2SN]

Yeah, sure, whatever, I guess?

Look, I'm busy checking out new furniture. :hmmm:
Argue it out or whatever. Oh, don't forget the outrage. :haha:

[Buddahaid]

Okay, that went well.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB92MaGTqNU

[Catfish]

^ :har: always loved the race of the incontinent

[Catfish]

Please, retaliatory action and sanctions against Russia, yawn. I bet the US does it, too.. why does the US even admit that, why not creating proper barriers and firewalls secretly.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-campaigns-russia-elections-91e0da3630b70c62d566a41f76441442

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-sanctions/u-s-set-to-slap-new-sanctions-on-russia-as-soon-as-thursday-sources-idUSKBN2C2045

[Bilge_Rat]

article in the Moscow Times that shows that the new sanctions will have very little impact on Russia:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/04/15/explainer-why-is-the-us-sanctioning-russia-and-what-impact-will-it-have-a73607

Now as to why the USA bothers to impose sanctions at all, the reason is simple, that way they can say they are doing something even if it is only symbolic.

As to why they do not impose real punitive sanctions, the answer is more complex. The West could impose very punitive sanctions that would crush the Russian economy, like removing its access to the SWIFT trading system which would mean Russia could no longer carry out any international commerce for cash, only barter.

However, real punitive sanctions would require the consent of the EU, particularly Germany. The EU has never been big fans of sanctions against Russia since they mostly hurt European businesses, USA actually carries out little direct trade with Russia.

Second, Russia has made it very clear in the past that it would consider real punitive sanctions that would significantly hurt its economy as a "Red Line" that would trigger a war.

So the question is always how far the West is willing to push Russia before triggering WW3.

[Rockstar]

article in the Moscow Times that shows that the new sanctions will have very little impact on Russia:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/04/15/explainer-why-is-the-us-sanctioning-russia-and-what-impact-will-it-have-a73607

Now as to why the USA bothers to impose sanctions at all, the reason is simple, that way they can say they are doing something even if it is only symbolic.

As to why they do not impose real punitive sanctions, the answer is more complex. The West could impose very punitive sanctions that would crush the Russian economy, like removing its access to the SWIFT trading system which would mean Russia could no longer carry out any international commerce for cash, only barter.

However, real punitive sanctions would require the consent of the EU, particularly Germany. The EU has never been big fans of sanctions against Russia since they mostly hurt European businesses, USA actually carries out little direct trade with Russia.

Second, Russia has made it very clear in the past that it would consider real punitive sanctions that would significantly hurt its economy as a "Red Line" that would trigger a war.

So the question is always how far the West is willing to push Russia before triggering WW3.


Kewel punitive sanctions! How far will it go? Great!


But I think the questions ought to be why? Why would our own government and many here hop on the bandwagon and promote a murdering racist neo nazi over establishing better relations with a legitimate head of state? What is the long term goal and purpose of all of this? What good will come from it?

[3catcircus]

This, so this. I'm tired of liberals acting like they are giving me something they didn't take from me in the first place.

Three utter lack of critical thinking by people who think they're getting something that was miracled out of thin air - but then again - most of the people receiving $1400 probably didn't pay any taxes either.

The most disgusting thing of all of these budgetary decisions is that $1400 could have been provided to *all* citizens (and then some) rather than dangle thousands of dollars in front of illegal aliens all while going "no. stop. don'.t" like Gene Wilder in Willie Wonka as they pretend to be shocked! that their actions are causing a border crisis.

The whole stinking lot of them need to be removed from office.

[MaDef]

The whole stinking lot of them need to be removed from office.Good luck getting past the National Guard, who are still deployed there. (I think Nancy's still worried about riots. LMAO.

[AVGWarhawk]

You might not understand the punchline, our Uncle Joe The Communist just gave us 1,400 smack-er-oos to spend like drunken sailors. :Kaleun_Cheers:

I'm serious. like as of today. :yep:

I'm sure its really going to bother August when he has spend all of that freebie money. :haha:

Capitol Hill only gave back YOUR money. There is not big favors here friend. Nothing is free when it comes to the government and spending. They are playing with your money. Now, there certainly is a need for your money in respect of infrastructure and some programs sponsored by the government at your expense. Then there is frivolous spending of your money. There is no such animal called, "A good steward of the tax payers money."

[Skybird]

And another case, just another case, of police boom-boom-banging down an unarmed civilian like a dog, this time a 13 year old. Are they on a record hunt? One really must ask the question what kind of drugs they put into the coffee at police departements.

[Rockstar]

And another case, just another case, of police boom-boom-banging down an unarmed civilian like a dog, this time a 13 year old. Are they on a record hunt? One really must ask the question what kind of drugs they put into the coffee at police departements.


It has some to do with lack of training, lack of funding, militarization of police, media sensationalism, fear, of all the police interaction with a population of over 350 mllion all we hear about is the worst cases imaginable which tends to focus our attention to it and nothing else.


And the fact that 13 year old had a gun which, right or wrong, certainly influenced the decision making process of the officer.

[August]

And another case, just another case, of police boom-boom-banging down an unarmed civilian like a dog, this time a 13 year old. Are they on a record hunt? One really must ask the question what kind of drugs they put into the coffee at police departements.


Still spreading lies eh Skybird?



Police, who were responding to reports of shots fired in the area, say the boy had a handgun on him before the shooting.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-release-adam-toledo-shooting-video

[les green01]

running from area has a gun on him 13 year old boy 2:40 in the morning he wasnt out picking flowers for mama

[Catfish]

AP: "Video: Chicago boy wasn’t holding gun when shot by officer"

"A still frame taken from Officer Eric Stillman’s jumpy nighttime body camera footage shows that Adam Toledo wasn’t holding anything and had his hands up when Stillman shot him once in the chest about 3 a.m. on March 29."

https://apnews.com/article/death-of-daunte-wright-shootings-police-chicago-death-of-george-floyd-940231e45653ca1381b538db05a8aa82

From the Fox news link posted by August:
"Toledo then stops for a moment before he turns toward the officer, at which point the cop tells him to, "Show me your f------ hand."
Toledo appears to have his hands up when he is shot at one time.
The officer calls over the radio for an ambulance and announces, "Shots fired." "

Hard to say what was going on, allegedly his companian had a gun and fired it.
13 year old, Chicago, gangs, guns, what could go wrong.
Wouldn't it be an idea to at least temporarilay forbid the bearing of arms in this area.

[Dowly]

Wouldn't it be an idea to at least temporarilay forbid the bearing of arms in this area.Whoa, slow down there buddy! Let's try more thoughts and prayers first, before doing anything that drastic! :doh:

[Rockstar]

Alrighty then lets get back to U.S. politics. Anyone paying attention to the mess and embarrassment being created? I'd think our allies, like Taiwan, and Ukraine might be a little concerned about now.


So on APRIL 9th ol' piss and vinegar Joe B' was talking big about leading the charge. “We support you Ukraine!”


The United States is considering sending warships into the Black Sea in the next few weeks in a show of support for Ukraine amid Russia's increased military presence on Ukraine's eastern border, a US defense official told CNN Thursday. The US Navy routinely operates in the Black Sea, but a deployment of warships now would send a specific message to Moscow that the US is closely watching, the official said. The Biden administration and the international community have expressed concerns about mounting tensions between Ukraine and Russia.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/08/politics/ukraine-us-black-sea/index.html


The United States has notified Turkey that it intends to deploy two warships to the Black Sea amid rising tensions with Russia, Turkish foreign ministry sources said on Friday.
The warships will stay in the Black Sea until 5 May
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-us-warships-black-sea-ukraine-tensions
April 13th Russia's response

Moscow warned the United States on Tuesday to keep its warships away from the Russian-occupied Crimean peninsula, calling their deployment in the Black Sea a provocation

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov was cited by Russian news agencies on Tuesday as warning U.S. warships in the Black Sea to keep their distance, saying the risk of unspecified incidents was very high.
"There is absolutely nothing for American ships to be doing near our shores, this is purely a provocative action. Provocative in the direct sense of the word: they are testing our strength, playing on our nerves. They will not succeed," Ryabkov was cited as saying.
"We warn the United States that it will be better for them to stay far away from Crimea and our Black Sea coast. It will be for their own good."

https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/russia-warns-black-sea-bound-us-warships-to-stay-away-from-crimea


April 15th ol' war hawk Joe blinks first. Na na na na, hey hey, good bye. From sending a strong message to well it was just routine anyway.


U.S. drops plans to send destroyers into the Black Sea due to concerns over Russia.


The tentative transit was not unusual or designed to send any particular new signal,

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/15/us-navy-ukraine-russia-tensions-481897
Next 'we're told' ol' Joe picks up the phone and makes a call asking Putin for a summit. Russia says we'll see. Next thing we know Ol Joe slaps more sanctions on Russia. Which results in what? You guessed it, no summit. :doh:

He even went about convincing the left wing/liberals it was because Russia was placing bounties on U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan. But dang, to make such a claim even after your own administration said it was complete B.S. But his liberal psycho electorate lap it it up with out question.


But on Thursday, the Biden administration announced that U.S. intelligence only had “low to moderate” confidence in the story after all. Translated from the jargon of spyworld, that means the intelligence agencies have found the story is, at best, unproven—and possibly untrue.

“The United States intelligence community assesses with low to moderate confidence that Russian intelligence officers sought to encourage Taliban attacks on U.S. and coalition personnel in Afghanistan in 2019 and perhaps earlier,” a senior administration official said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-walks-back-claim-russians-put-bounties-on-american-troops?ref=home
Any bets our allies might be reconsidering how far our support for them goes? Joe is making a mess of it and shaking their confidence.


edit: Currently, 59% approve of the way Biden is handling his job as president. Which IMO only goes to show people are more interested in the act than measuring performance.





Having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. Only "stupid" people, or fools, would think that it is bad! We.....
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 7, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817748207694467072):har:

[MaDef]

Wouldn't it be an idea to at least temporarilay forbid the bearing of arms in this area.

They already do. In Illinois a person cannot legally possess a firearm or ammunition without a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, which is issued by the Illinois State Police. Federal law also prohibits minors under 18 from purchasing or possessing handguns, except under very specific conditions.

[em2nought]

Cops in Democrat cities should come down with a blue flu for a few months.



So in the middle of a foot chase with an armed criminal did you notice the one cop feverishly hurrying to put on his mask? I wonder if those things are interfering with Police vision? My mask rides up into my eyes all the time, and I'm not even running. :hmmm:

[Catfish]

Thanks @MaDef!

[Rockstar]

So, we go from sending warships into the Black Sea to support Ukraine and show Russia "America is back".
Then less than two weeks later ol' feeble Joe's mighty show of force is cancelled. Now were told it was just a routine visit anyway and we dont want to escalate the situation and give Russia the wrong impression. LOL


So I'm begining to wonder if Ol' Joe and Hunter's more than questionable foreign business dealings in Ukraine, Communist China, the and Middle East might be coming back to haunt them.

[August]

Heard on the radio today that police across the country have shot about 50 people "of color" so far this year. Three of them were unarmed. In the same time frame the police shot over a hundred "white" people of which 10 were unarmed.

[Skybird]

( It gets, got reported over here the boy was unarmed, had no gun. )

?!

edit: Correction, memory fooled me. I red about it last morning, on NBC and ABC.

Still, whatever it was like, there is something wrong on a structural level. The US has almost exactly four times as big a population than Germany. But we do not have a quarter of such incidents over here, but much, much less. Both true for cops shooting civilians, and amok shootings. And it is like this in many European countries, isn't it.

Something is seriously derailed in the US. Both with the police, and society. Obviously. I still think that Bowling for Columbine was on the right track to explain important aspects of it.

[mapuc]

The day after this young man was shot in Minneapolis the Danish Reporter in USA said:

The Common police here in USA is so badly trained, that these type of killing is not rare. If the training doesn't improve dramatically more of these killing will happen.
(Tried to remember every word he said)

Markus

[3catcircus]

There are really two major issues at play. For the younger crowd from an urban background, who are encountering police, it is almost always reflective of a break down in that person's community and home life. For older individuals from any background, there is often undiagnosed mental illness (or they were diagnosed but turned out because the US pretty much nearly completely ended state mental hospitals).

Focusing on the teenager in question:

Why is a 13-year old boy roaming the streets at 0430 with a handgun? Why is this person's street name "L'il Homicide?" Why does a 13-year old *have* a street name? Why does a 13-year old *have* a handgun without adult supervision. That police officer had 838 milliseconds between the time he saw the gun in the teen's hand and firing upon him. One can argue will day long about that, but it doesn't change the fact that a 13-yr old gangbanger was up to no good at 0430 while carrying a firearm that he obtained illegally.

Stepping back a few days, why is Daunte Wright not complying with law enforcement? Perhaps for the same reason he refused to comply with court orders and fled prior arrests for violent criminal behavior.

The same reason that George Floyd purposely passed counterfeit money while high as a kite while out of jail between stretches of criminal activity.

What was the percentage of minority youth in single parent homes up until the Great Society as compared to now? For several decades there has been a perverse incentive for people living in poverty to have many children while remaining unwed that has been bearing fruit poisonous to society as a result.

As tho the mentally ill, we've done away with state mental hospitals due to claims of abuse, but have nothing to replace them with. This, coupled with a stigma attached to admitting you are crazy but stable on medication or other treatment and a decidedly different coverage approach by most health insurers, results in a revolving door of people in need of mental health care ending up not receiving it. The best description of this problem can be seen in the comedian Doug Stanhope's standup routine comparing the mentally ill person who shot Gabby Giffords and other mentally ill (like his girlfriend Bingo) and people who are mentally handicapped.

[Rockstar]

Same office more lies but just more well spoken lies.


Someone Is Going to Get Hurt': Georgia Official Warns Biden That His 'Lies' About Voting Law Are Dangerous

Gabriel Sterling is the chief operation officer and chief financial officer in the office of the Georgia Secretary of State.

“Someone is going to get hurt.” I made that prediction four months ago regarding misinformation about the 2020 election. I was horrified to see it come true on Jan. 6.

The reaction to Georgia’s new election law has me worried again. Though I have not received any threats yet, thankfully, that same foreboding is creeping up again as the president of the United States and others once again spread lies about what is going on in Georgia.

So I plead with the president once again: Someone is going to get hurt. Your words matter. The facts matter.

In the weeks and months after Nov. 3, my boss and I, along with local election workers, received death threats because we would not bend to pressure from one president to alter the outcome of the election. It is disappointing to see the new president engage in similarly dangerous hyperbole.


...First, as The Post has correctly noted, the new legislation does not decrease early voting hours, though President Biden falsely claimed otherwise.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-your-misinformation-on-georgias-voting-law-is-dangerous/2021/04/14/59b8a53c-9d4f-11eb-9d05-ae06f4529ece_story.html

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekqiSUjNURo




:O:

[les green01]

The day after this young man was shot in Minneapolis the Danish Reporter in USA said:

The Common police here in USA is so badly trained, that these type of killing is not rare. If the training doesn't improve dramatically more of these killing will happen.
(Tried to remember every word he said)

Markus

hope you don't take this wrong but my experience with police is that reporter is full of crap my dealings with police they have always been highly trained and pros the key words here are show the police respect,do everything they are telling you to do,what not to do yelling cussing at them or start acting stupid and if you think you being wrongly target ask for the police supervisor to come out or go to the station next day and file a complaint but being calm and showing respect can get you out of the mess you was getting yourself into with maybe a warning depends what you was doing

[3catcircus]

hope you don't take this wrong but my experience with police is that reporter is full of crap my dealings with police they have always been highly trained and pros the key words here are show the police respect,do everything they are telling you to do,what not to do yelling cussing at them or start acting stupid and if you think you being wrongly target ask for the police supervisor to come out or go to the station next day and file a complaint but being calm and showing respect can get you out of the mess you was getting yourself into with maybe a warning depends what you was doing

Unless you are engaged in serious criminal acts, most of the time the cops don't want to be bothered by the paperwork associated with making an arrest.

What people fail to realize is that the police are a *consequence* of the law.

The other factor is the arms race between violent offenders and the militarization of police departments. It's especially exacerbated during riotous situations when spineless local governments and police department leadership refuse to use violence of action to stop rioters in their tracks because appeasement only emboldens them.

A policy of "rioters and looters will be shot on sight" is inherently a deterrent to bad behavior.

Outside of riotous situations, it begs the question - who taught these suspects that end up getting shot that it is in any way acceptable to violently resist arrest resulting from warrants being executed for prior violent criminal behavior? This isn't Communist China or a Banana Republic. People don't routinely die under interrogation after an arrest here. You believe you're being arrested unlawfully? Get a lawyer and fight it in court. Exercise your right to remain silent when being arrested. But arguing with a cop on a roadside stop and then pulling a weapon while fleeing is the first thing these suspects think of? Speaks volumes as to their upbringing...

[Rockstar]

Liberals, left wing, Democrats calling for more violence, AGAIN.


Definition of confrontation : a situation in which people, groups, etc., fight, oppose, or challenge each other in an angry way.


Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., drew attention for saying Saturday night that if a Minnesota jury does not convict Derek Chauvin of murder for the death of George Floyd, protesters should "get more confrontational," but this call to action was par for the course for the California Democrat.
I take it by the silence of hypocritical Democrats and all of the psycho war mongering Bidenettes they agree with her.

[mapuc]

hope you don't take this wrong but my experience with police is that reporter is full of crap my dealings with police they have always been highly trained and pros the key words here are show the police respect,do everything they are telling you to do,what not to do yelling cussing at them or start acting stupid and if you think you being wrongly target ask for the police supervisor to come out or go to the station next day and file a complaint but being calm and showing respect can get you out of the mess you was getting yourself into with maybe a warning depends what you was doing

Sorry forgot all about your response.

I felt that I should post what a Danish Reporter, standing on some boardwalk in Minneapolis said to us the viewer about the quality of the education an American police goes through.

I still remember him saying..
"Den almindelig politibetjent er dårlig trænet" ="The ordinary police is badly
trained"

Hearing those words I was thinking:
Wonder what my American friends has to say about these accusations ?

No other reason...as mentioned before I live under first directive..

Markus

[Texas Red]

Liberals, left wing, Democrats calling for more violence, AGAIN.


Definition of confrontation : a situation in which people, groups, etc., fight, oppose, or challenge each other in an angry way.



I take it by the silence of hypocritical Democrats and all of the psycho war mongering Bidenettes they agree with her.

Most people would say that she didn't incite violence
But even though I support Biden and the Democrats I do feel that she was inciting violence.

Or this is a really serious case of someone using words wrong...:06:

[3catcircus]

Most people would say that she didn't incite violence
But even though I support Biden and the Democrats I do feel that she was inciting violence.

Or this is a really serious case of someone using words wrong...:06:

Crazy Maxine has a long history of inciting violence.

[MaDef]

Most people would say that she didn't incite violence
Then those people are stupid, period.

[ET2SN]

Hey guys? Nothin' for nothin' but there's an RC-135 out of Offutt flying racetracks around my town. Are we in another war, again? :o

I'm not kidding.

[Buddahaid]

Then those people are stupid, period.

If Trump didn't incite the capital violence then neither did she with her recent comments.

[mapuc]

Hey guys? Nothin' for nothin' but there's an RC-135 out of Offutt flying racetracks around my town. Are we in another war, again? :o

I'm not kidding.

Yes KJU has decided to end this problem and has thus begun to invade your lovely country.

Either it must be some kind of exercise. Perhaps surveillance due to the upcoming verdict.

Markus

[ET2SN]

Small world, but I once saw an E-4 (747 doomsday plane) flying low near my town then head north towards Des Moines.

That was during the Baltimore riots and I'm guessing the secret service convinced Pres. Obama that "Right Now!" would be a good time to get out of town and Barry chose Chicago.
The E4 can also be used as a comms hub and they don't send them to the same city, but one that's somewhat close to AF1.

They don't do scramble exercises with the E4's, there aren't enough of them to start with and they have ground based trainers at Offutt for that stuff. I wonder if its the same with the RC-135s? :hmmm:

BTW, its was defiantly an RC-135. 707 wings, the big, upgraded engines, pointy black nose, silver underbody, white tail with the OF tail code and an American flag. Too bad I couldn't see its roof and the antennas. :wah:

[MaDef]

If Trump didn't incite the capital violence then neither did she with her recent comments.

If you say so. But I saw & heard her say what she did.

[Texas Red]

If Trump didn't incite the capital violence then neither did she with her recent comments.

If you say so. But I saw & heard her say what she did.

Did you also listen to what Trump said and did during the riots and while the capitol was under attack? He said nothing for a good four hours, which I would say points to the fact that he wanted the attack to happen and wasn't willing to intervene. Even though Trump didn't say much until a little while later, his actions spoke what he wanted to say. And when he did speak, he said certain phrases that made some people think that he was on the side of the rioters during this siege against our nation.

I can agree that I know what she did was inciting violence, but if you look at what Trump did during our time of crisis and if you looked at the Democrat's argument in his impeachment trial most people would come to the conclusion that he did incite the violence.

[MaDef]

Did you also listen to what Trump said and did during the riots and while the capitol was under attack? He said nothing for a good four hours, which I would say points to the fact that he wanted the attack to happen and wasn't willing to intervene. Even though Trump didn't say much until a little while later, his actions spoke what he wanted to say. And when he did speak, he said certain phrases that made some people think that he was on the side of the rioters during this siege against our nation.

I can agree that I know what she did was inciting violence, but if you look at what Trump did during our time of crisis and if you looked at the Democrat's argument in his impeachment trial most people would come to the conclusion that he did incite the violence.

I did, and Trump never came close to what Maxine Waters said. "You People" need to start assessing these things objectively rather than through whichever political lens you normally look through.

[3catcircus]

I did, and Trump never came close to what Maxine Waters said. "You People" need to start assessing these things objectively rather than through whichever political lens you normally look through.

That there is the challenge... The majority of the populace are poorly-educated, lack critical thinking skills, have poor impulse control, don't think beyond their next breath, and are easily manipulated by the media to react emotionally to dogwhistles...

It doesn't help that the people being elected to office are power-mad narcissists who themselves can barely fog the glass. Even the lawyers in Congress - if they were really good at the law, they'd be quietly making bank doing it instead of grand standing in front of the media.

[AVGWarhawk]

If Trump didn't incite the capital violence then neither did she with her recent comments.

Whether Trump did or did not incite the riots at the Capitol is really immaterial. The issue at hand is rhetoric that Trump and Waters is spewing can become(or has become) a problem. Maxine is no different than Trump with the rhetoric.

[3catcircus]

Whether Trump did or did not incite the riots at the Capitol is really immaterial. The issue at hand is rhetoric that Trump and Waters is spewing can become(or has become) a problem. Maxine is no different than Trump with the rhetoric.

Considering her very long record of inciting violence with her rhetoric, I'd argue she's worse.

[AVGWarhawk]

Considering her very long record of inciting violence with her rhetoric, I'd argue she's worse.

I don't know. Trump had a good solid 5 years of rhetoric(counting the campaign trail).

[3catcircus]

I don't know. Trump had a good solid 5 years of rhetoric(counting the campaign trail).

I think decades beats 5 years, but what do I know...

[AVGWarhawk]

I think decades beats 5 years, but what do I know...

Maxine has only become very vocal as of late. I can assure you the Obama years were quiet ones for Maxine. Now, we can count out her age at 82. Me thinks the gray matter is not what it used to be. Both she and Joe can talk about Pop Corn who is one bad dude and any other crazy jibberish that comes with age.

[August]

That there is the challenge... The majority of the populace are poorly-educated, lack critical thinking skills, have poor impulse control, don't think beyond their next breath, and are easily manipulated by the media to react emotionally to dogwhistles...
You are mostly describing people who until recently in American history would rarely make the actual effort to go down to the polls and vote on election day. Too much work, too many competing time fillers. But now we've made it so easy to vote this natural stupid voter filter has been eliminated and we are feeling the full effect. I ask again how ever can the Republic survive! :o

[3catcircus]

You are mostly describing people who until recently in American history would rarely make the actual effort to go down to the polls and vote on election day. Too much work, too many competing time fillers. But now we've made it so easy to vote this natural stupid voter filter has been eliminated and we are feeling the full effect. I ask again how ever can the Republic survive! :o

Who says it will survive? They problem is one of appeasement of a mob of miscreants who will *never* be satisfied. History proves appeasement never works.

[Skybird]

The first 100 days - a (subjective) interim balance.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/eine-zwischenbilanz-100-tage-biden_id_13227227.html

Busy days for sure.

[em2nought]

There is nothing that Trump said which formed my opinion that the 2020 election was stolen. What formed my opinion that the 2020 election was stolen were things that democrats and the media "did".

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56903805


^ Well, we'll see. So far, I am neutral on his internal US policies (which must interest me only in so far as they create fallout in Europe and Germany), and shifting towards the critical on his foreign politics. I do not have the impression that Bejing or Moscow take him serious, and his relaunching of supporting the Palestinians and his verbal attacking of Putin while not havign serious means to have deeds following his words and then inviting Putin for a summit, had me scratching my head, so had the returning to support of various UN institutions. I miss consistency and a fundament in his displayed foreign-polticla detemrination, but then, it is 100 days and the big crisis may still catch up with him, then we will see what he is made of.



The one big thing that is the elephant in the room and that does not get mentioned is the unimaginable amount of debts and the systematical devaluation/inflation of currency tokens.


Until here: not the best and not the worst of presidencies. No need to paint in black and white only.

[3catcircus]

There is nothing that Trump said which formed my opinion that the 2020 election was stolen. What formed my opinion that the 2020 election was stolen were things that democrats and the media "did".

One had to ask why the AZ dem party are so terrified of the audit going on that they shopped to find an attorney who clerked for the judge to force him to recuse himself.

[Skybird]

Fact-checking Biden over 7 of his claims.


https://www.bbc.com/news/56901183

[Rockstar]

Rumor Control Central reporting: Remember Flynn? After reading this I was thinking was he bumped because he was making waves? He was also very close to having the ear of a future president too. Then the Russian collusion story conveniently arises. Setup? :hmmm:

Intel Wars: DIA, CIA and Flynn’s Battle to Consolidate Spying

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2013/07/intel-wars-dia-cia-and-flynns-battle-consolidate-spying/66716/

[Skybird]

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes in an opinion piece:
https://www.nzz.ch/meinung/die-armee-infiltrieren-leo-trotzki-und-die-us-streitkraefte-ld.1614652

Infiltrating the army with revolutionary cadres to create unrest and break chains of command - Leon Trotsky and the US armed forces

While the declared dead totalitarian party doctrine of Leninism lives on in China and Russia, Trotsky's methods of revolutionary infiltration also remain effective. For example in the USA, where the armed forces are infiltrated from the right to an astonishing extent.

Leon Trotsky may no longer attract mass following today, but the revolutionary tactics he first pursued are still widely used, and not just by communists or in present-day Russia, where they are referred to as "political technology". One such tactic, called "entryism" - in which members of an extremist group join a more powerful organization, infiltrate it and ultimately bring it under their control and then use it as a political weapon - has supporters among far-right groups in the United States found. Their goal: America's armed forces. -

On January 6, the US got a glimpse of how far this infiltration had progressed. Of the hundreds of ex-President Donald Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol to prevent certification of President Joe Biden's election victory, around 15 percent were former or active soldiers (about 7 percent of adults in the United States are veterans). According to the Washington Post, of the 380 people currently facing indictment in federal courts for violations resulting from these riots, 44 are active or former members of the US armed forces. -

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin - a retired four-star general and the first African American to head the Pentagon - is now trying to understand the consequences of this finding. Almost immediately after his confirmation in office, Austin ordered a 60-day stand-down for all US armed forces. In other words, practically every unit of the armed forces had to hold a discussion about the proliferation of white suprematists and extremists within the armed forces. -

This process is now complete, and the Pentagon has ordered a number of "immediate changes" including better data collection (to determine the extent of the problem) and an update of instructions for exiting soldiers (to warn them of dangers posed by extremist groups ). A working group has been set up to oversee implementation and chart a course towards immediate and long-term goals. -

But that is only the beginning. As Austin is no doubt aware, rooting out extremism in the US armed forces will be a difficult one. While driving through Maryland's east coast region - a conservative enclave where many retired and active police and military personnel live - I was recently shocked to see that a pro-Trump flag was flying in front of almost every third house. -

Trump is inextricably linked to the witch's brew of white racism, contempt for the rule of law and nationalist authoritarianism that inspires right-wing extremist groups like Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and Three Percenters. These groups stood behind the former president, who communicated with them using hidden racist codes (and sometimes in more explicit ways). -

The evidence of right-wing extremist military entry is not merely anecdotal. In addition to the findings about the storming of the Capitol, more than a third of all active soldiers and more than half of all minority members of the armed forces have examples of white nationalism or displays of racist ideology personally experienced within our own ranks. - Worse still, there is reason to fear that entryism will extend to the very top of the armed forces. Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn - Trump's former national security adviser who was convicted of lying to the FBI (but was then pardoned by Trump) - was among the most prominent voices calling for Biden's election victory to be invalidated. -

More worryingly, Flynn's brother, Lieutenant General Charles Flynn, was present on a central phone call during the storm on the Capitol: Capitol police and Washington officials pleaded with the Pentagon to deploy the National Guard, but senior army officials were reluctant to comply. The army denied Flynn's presence for days. -
It is difficult to overestimate the danger that entryism can pose. When Trotsky developed this tactic, he infiltrated the tsarist army with revolutionary cadres to create unrest and break the chains of command. When the Soviet Union emerged from the Bolshevik Revolution, Trotsky became the founder and leader of the newly created Red Army. -

This was possibly the greatest triumph of entryism, but by no means the only one. As historian Paul Jankowski has shown, discipline within the Japanese armed forces was disintegrated by small, ultra-nationalist cells in the Pacific a decade before the official start of World War II. Many followed the radical Buddhist preacher Nissho Inoue. -

Nissho's organization, called Ketsumeidan (Blood Oath Association), orchestrated the assassinations of Finance Minister Junnosuke Inoue and Mitsui General Manager Dan Takuma in the spring of 1932. The same attack campaign also claimed the lives of Prime Minister Inukai Tsuyoshi and many other ministers and business leaders who were considered insufficiently devoted to Japanese imperialism. The Japanese military began to fake incidents a little later in order to encourage ever deeper incursions into Chinese territory. -

In France, officers who disagreed with the country's withdrawal from Algeria in the late 1950s and early 1960s split the army from within. In 1958, military leaders staged a coup after the French government attempted to negotiate with their main adversary, the Algerian National Liberation Front. To save itself, the Fourth Republic called General Charles de Gaulle (after a twelve-year absence) back to power. De Gaulle promptly replaced the Fourth Republic with one dominated by the executive: today's Fifth Republic. -

Despite de Gaulle's popularity, his efforts to give Algeria independence led to a second rebellion within the military. The Armée Secrète (OAS) organized a nationwide terrorist campaign that nearly succeeded in assassinating de Gaulle. The wounds inflicted on the French armed forces by the OAS took years to heal. -

As far as can be said, the US armed forces are not on the verge of an internal collapse, let alone attempted coup. But before demonstrators entered the building with protective vests, tasers and cable ties, hardly anyone had predicted anything like the storming of the Capitol. If the US is not to be taken by surprise again, its government must act decisively to eradicate extremism within the armed forces. In addition to the measures outlined by the Pentagon, Austin should demand a transparent explanation of why the Army lied about Charles Flynn's participation in the interview with the Capitol police on January 6, and make it public. Flynn currently commands all of the US military in the Pacific. Nobody with extremist connections should hold such an important post. -



by Nina L. Khrushcheva. She is professor of international politics at the New School in New York. She is a granddaughter of the Soviet party leader Nikita Khrushchev.

[August]

Skybird posting Russian propaganda like it was real. :roll:

[Moonlight]

@Skybird, now that you've given some examples of military extremism and probably a more than liberal dose of some fake news as well, couldn't you just for once post some extremism examples from say the BLM movement. :hmmm:
Or how about any other extremist movements that are infesting the worlds gullible citizens, that should make for a good post, I shall await your next post on this extremism thingie with as much anticipation as I would my next tax demand. :haha:

[Skybird]

As predicted and forseen, the transformation of the once Grand Old Party into the Grand Orange Party is almost completed. And it will never return to the former status.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/politics/liz-cheney-donald-trump-gop/index.html

[Skybird]

And some news on Bill the Liar Barr. Not that it is surprising. The judge may call it dishonest, politely. I call it by its real name: organised crime, and conspiracy at the state's basic institutional level.



https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/05/opinions/william-barr-indefensible-defense-honig/index.html

[AVGWarhawk]

As predicted and forseen, the transformation of the once Grand Old Party into the Grand Orange Party is almost completed. And it will never return to the former status.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/politics/liz-cheney-donald-trump-gop/index.html

Biden apparently mystified by GOP turmoil

Amongst other things. :doh:

[u crank]

As predicted and forseen, the transformation of the once Grand Old Party into the Grand Orange Party is almost completed. And it will never return to the former status.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/politics/liz-cheney-donald-trump-gop/index.html

Come on Skybird. Think about it. Imagine for one second that the third ranking member of the Democrat caucus was openly criticizing Joe Biden and publicly calling him a liar. Do you think they would keep their job?

[Skybird]

What I imagine, and hypothetical speculations and what-ifs, are not relevant.



What is relevant is the obvious facts in the linked article. And the greta wuillingnes sof many peopel to still live in a bubble of self-presc ribed lies and betrayal. And the enormous damage this does to a nation.

[mapuc]

Is it that bad ? i
If so, what is the solution to these problems

Markus

[u crank]

What I imagine, and hypothetical speculations and what-ifs, are not relevant.

If your lack of imagination prevents you from seeing the whole picture that's too bad. I'll walk you through it. The Democrats would treat that person the exact same way as Cheney is being treated. Possibly worse. And you should know for certain that if Cheney wasn't a NeverTrumper she would be hated just like all the other Republicans are hated by Democrats and their media allies. That should be more than obvious and require no imagination.

[Catfish]

Is it that bad ? i
If so, what is the solution to these problems Markus


The situation: Some People are very dumb, from voters to those being voted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqEA03v3OtQ

The solution: Maybe.. better education? But that's of course long-term planning, so forget it.

[Gorpet]

Skybird posting Russian propaganda like it was real. :roll: He's a very good Stasi officer.And that's just my personal thinking since 2001. When George Bush was the leader of the so called free world. I give him kudos for his post's a lot of them are very good and insightful but that's how good he is.Fast forward to 2021.
The Bird will never be happy with America now he is attacking the new Democrat leader of the free world Uncle Joe Biden -- What the hell? Look the bad orange man is gone and now things will get back to normal. American money will flow back to the politicians in the United Germany and all will be good again.Skybird so in 2121 what do you have to Bitch about America. .:03: Ok don't get your paintes in a knot i was a sleeper until 2005

[mapuc]

This is why you should be critical to what your news channel is showing you

In the virtual hearing, which went awry when another alleged Capitol rioter interrupted with obscenities, Antonio’s attorney, Joseph Hurley, claimed that Fox News’s decision to regularly air then-President Donald Trump’s false claims of mass election fraud contributed to Antonio’s decision to participate in the insurrection

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/07/fox-news-anthony-antonio-capitol-riot/

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

This is why you should be critical to what your news channel is showing you



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/07/fox-news-anthony-antonio-capitol-riot/

Markus

Valid point Markus. The media is never held accountable for what it broadcasts (unless you are a kid on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial smiling at a Native American banging an instrument in your face).

[mapuc]

Valid point Markus. The media is never held accountable for what it broadcasts (unless you are a kid on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial smiling at a Native American banging an instrument in your face).

I hope the judge have the same attitude as you-Because a grown-up is responsible for their decisions or action they make/take.

During this afternoon I saw a half hours news from CNN.
Where they had a breaking story

The title was
"USA and its allied.....wargames amid Russian tension"

What is it that makes it breaking news ??

Wargames have been placed since...Napoleon or earlier.

Tension has always been between Soviet/Russia since 1917/18.
Sometimes it is high as now and sometimes it is low as it was in the 90's

Markus

[Moonlight]

Cast your mind back to James Bond "Tomorrow Never Dies" war, famine, terrorism, death and destruction and many other scenarios sells newspapers, diplomacy does not. :haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

I hope the judge have the same attitude as you-Because a grown-up is responsible for their decisions or action they make/take.

During this afternoon I saw a half hours news from CNN.
Where they had a breaking story

The title was
"USA and its allied.....wargames amid Russian tension"

What is it that makes it breaking news ??

Wargames have been placed since...Napoleon or earlier.

Tension has always been between Soviet/Russia since 1917/18.
Sometimes it is high as now and sometimes it is low as it was in the 90's

Markus


Just a sensationalistic headline to catch peoples attention. Remember, we had 4 straight years of hearing about Russian collusion and good times. It worked for 4 years. Might as well keep using it.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57166735



The New York State Attorney General, Letitia James, clearly believes that there is enough at play to warrant moving the investigation from a civil to a criminal one. When combined with the ongoing examination of the former president's tax returns by the Manhattan District Attorney, Cy Vance, Mr Trump is looking at a complex and tangled legal battle ahead — one which he remains adamant he shouldn't have to face but which he now almost certainly cannot avoid.

[Skybird]

https://www.axios.com/nord-stream-sanction-biden-russia-f6db2ae3-2c89-4343-b326-9f399d674077.html


Sources close to the situation say that top Biden officials have determined that the only way to potentially stop the project — which is 95% complete — is to sanction the German end users of the gas. And the Biden administration is not willing to rupture its relationship with Germany over Nord Stream 2.



The American threats and demands have been found since long by legal experts to be breaking international law anyway.

[Bilge_Rat]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57166735

All of which means basically nothing, there are now down to investigating whether the "valuation" they gave to buildings was too high or too low and whether that could be fraud. Based on what we know so far, this will peter out like every other attempt to find some "crime", any "crime" to charge Trump with.

[Bilge_Rat]

The American threats and demands have been found since long by legal experts to be breaking international law anyway.

what?

what legal experts, pray tell?

The U.S. legislation imposing the sanctions was absolutely legal. The way all extra-territorial sanctions imposed by the U.S. works is by using just U.S. domestic laws. What the laws basically say is that IF you break the sanction, you can no longer do business in the USA which is a death sentence to any multi-national business.

We had a case up here where one of my clients was offered a very lucrative contract with Huawei. There is no sanction or laws in Canada preventing anyone from doing business with Huawei, but there are very tough U.S. sanctions against Huawei. By taking the contract, all of my client's business and assets in the U.S. would be subject to fine or seizure and any U.S. director could be subject to criminal prosecution in the USA. We checked with everyone, including the top lawyer in Canada on international sanction laws and the answer we got was that the U.S. sanctions were perfectly legal and there was no way around them.

[Skybird]

Bilge Rat, there have been several requests for assessment to legal expert boards on WTO level, EU level, German government and parliament level, and the scientific service of the Bundestag as well as its pendant on UN level, and all resulting reports have always rejected the american demands and ruled them to be breaking international law by claiming that American interest-led self-legitimation does not overrule sovereign decision making and treaties between sovereing foreign nations doing business that excludes the US. Sovereign nations doing dealsd between themsleves must not ask you for permission if ni American property is affected, you see.

Its just not your business and does not need your legal permission. You stick your noses into something your precious national law is not relevant for, since no US company and property is involved. Maybe some in Washington think that the world is their property and most obey them and is regulated by US national legislation. Well, it mustn't, and isn't.

The US wants to replace Russian energy exports with overpriced and lower quality own exports of liquidized gas, which is more polluted, thus needs more post-processing, and price-ise not competitive. Very bad deal for us, it already is, and we do not want to increase our losses. Europe buys some of that already, to do America a favour, but the interest to increase these imports from the US has been avaluated, and found to be NILL. Lousy quality at overpriced costs: very bad deal. Thats why Germany does not build a once planned further gas terminal at Wilhelmshaven. There are no industry customers who would buy that additonal gas. Its too bad an offer.
Moneymoneymoney. US laws have no valid legal claim do regulate independent treaties and regulations between foreign sovereign nations. This is what has been confirmed by legal experts time and again, and it explains why those European nations not liking Norstream 2 nevertheless reject to openly confront the Germans and side with Washington. The US has tried to bully Denmark, Sweden to make them prevent building the pipeline in their waters, and got a bloody nose everytime. Brussels also has formally rejected the Washington demands although its sympathy for the German going is somewhat muted.

You see, Washington's permission does not get asked about this. Its not your legal matter, you may not like that and claim otherwise, but nevertheless it is not your legal matter. Never was, never will be. You break international law where you act to enforce your demands the way the cinese try to enforce theirs for the South chinese sea. It simpyl is illegal in both (different) cases. Thgere are no valid legal claims. Only self-legitimations one tries to bully through.

Biden does not change his course for nothing. He knows he has no valid legal basis in all this, he does not want to deepen the rifts between the US and Germany, and he wants germany'S support for his climate agenda and his international minimum tax policy. Not all states in the EU are happy with minimum corporation tax raises, some benefit from keeping them low. If he wants Germany to weigh in its weight on EU level, he needs to make concessions. Tit for tat.


The bitterness in resisting Germany, and EU mistrust towards the US, he will not overcome that cheaply, however. Four orange years have taught us all a lesson we will not ignore again. America first, okay, we took note of it. And we draw consequences from it. You broke it, you're proud of having broken it, now live with the broken pieces.


Why we should prefer to replace US-claimed dependency from Russian energy with dependency from US energy, is beyond me, btw. After said four orange years, the appetite for that is somewhat limited. Like it or not, those four years have done damage that is going to stay. We wpould be stupid to just go back to the time before that as if nothiugn happend. We have been demonstrated very convincingly how easily the US political landscape can go bollocks, and how easily the government in Washington can lose it. What happened four years ago, can easily - and will - happen again.

[Rockstar]

Bilge Rat, there have been several requests for assessment to legal expert boards on WTO level, EU level, German government and parliament level, and the scientific service of the Bundestag as well as its pendant on UN level, and all resulting reports have always rejected the american demands and ruled them to be breaking international law by claiming that American interest-led self-legitimation does not overrule sovereign decision making and treaties between sovereing foreign nations doing business that excludes the US. Sovereign nations doing dealsd between themsleves must not ask you for permission if ni American property is affected, you see.

Its just not your business and does not need your legal permission. gain.






Well it looks like Biden is now the most pro Putin administration to date. Seems he just backed off and is allowing Russia to complete Nordstream2.

Though Biden doesnt have problem colluding with Putin building a pipeline. He has no problem shutting down Keystone and the jobs it would create for his own back home.

Meanwhile Euros complain about climate change yet never meet any of their goals and seem to have no problem pumping methane into the atmosphere through NS2 pipeline.

[Catfish]

Probably he backed off because he has no chance legally or otherwise.
How exactly do you pump methane into the air with burning crude or raffinated spirits?

[August]

Well it looks like Biden is now the most pro Putin administration to date. Seems he just backed off and is allowing Russia to complete Nordstream2.


I don't really care. We'd be better off if Germany was Russia's problem anyways.



Probably he backed off because he has no chance legally or otherwise.


He had no chance of imposing sanctions on the Russian individual and company overseeing the pipelines construction? :hmmm: I'd say it was more like he had the ability to impose sanctions and chose not to. That is not the same thing as giving his permission for the project itself.

[mapuc]

Regarding Nordstream 2

It has not so much to do with knowledge where people stand in this issue. The standpoint is based on a person personal belief and where they stand politically.

Markus

[Catfish]

I don't really care. We'd be better off if Germany was Russia's problem anyways. [...].
Really. Why don't you go at last. I thought the biggest problems of today's world are Russia and the US, and China.

[mapuc]

The problem is the entire world.

What we European do is pointing fingers at USA, China and Russia

The same does these three country.

It's easy to criticize your neighbours lawn.

Markus

[Reece]

Our neighbor doesn't have a lawn! :yep:

[Skybird]

And we, we do not even have a mower!

[August]

Really. Why don't you go at last. I thought the biggest problems of today's world are Russia and the US, and China.


:up:

[Rockstar]

Biden, Reversing Trump, Permits a Key Putin Goal: a New Russian Natural Gas Pipeline to Germany

That Trump was controlled by Putin and served his agenda was the opposite of reality. First Obama, and now Biden, have accommodated Moscow far more.

That the Kremlin had taken over American political institutions through its blackmail control of former President Donald Trump was a media conspiracy theory as pervasive as it was deranged. This once-exciting script was excavated from the CIA’s Cold War basement, dusted off by their operatives, and then kicked off by the intelligence community’s purposeful dissemination of the now-debunked Steele Dossier (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/15/business/media/spooked-private-spies-news-media.html). And once this fairy tale was launched, there were seemingly no limits on the depths to which media figures would sink to promote it (https://www.advocate.com/politics/2017/3/10/maddow-russians-may-be-controlling-our-government).

... The Trump administration caused a halt to the project in 2019 when it imposed sanctions (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935) on companies working on it. Trump did everything he could (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-summit-pipeline-idUSKBN1K10VI) to pressure, cajole and even threaten the Germans to pull out of the deal, warning that it would leave a winter-plagued Europe captive to Russian pressure and insisting that Berlin had the obligation to buy gas from the U.S., not Russia, given NATO expenditures to protect Germans. Trump even tried to pull close to 10,000 U.S. troops out of Germany to pressure the Merkel government, but the pro-war alliance of hawkish Democrats and Liz-Cheney-led neocon Republicans voted (https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/house-democrats-working-with-liz-cheney-restrict-trumps-planned-withdrawal-of-troops-from-afghanistan-and-germany/) to defund that effort.

...Any minimally rational or honest media would have taken note of these events and instantly realized that their years-long conspiracy theory about Trump being controlled by Putin was sophomoric nonsense, the opposite of the truth. That a Putin-controlled Russian asset would send lethal arms to Ukraine and do everything possible to sabotage Nord Stream 2 is so blatantly absurd that it could be ratified only by a media aggressively committed to spreading disinformation and lies.
All of this became even clearer on Tuesday when President Biden reversed Trump’s blockage of the Russian natural gas pipeline. Axios' Jonathan Swan reported (https://www.axios.com/nord-stream-sanction-biden-russia-f6db2ae3-2c89-4343-b326-9f399d674077.html) that “the Biden administration will waive sanctions on the corporate entity and CEO overseeing the construction of Russia’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline into Germany,” which “indicates the Biden administration is not willing to compromise its relationship with Germany over this pipeline.”

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/biden-reversing-trump-permits-a-key

[Texas Red]

To be honest, whenever a new president comes in, he will change whatever the former President put into place. Especially with what Trump did in his presidential years, I can imagine that Biden would change anything he could because of the general attitude of the democratic party towards Trump.

And when a new Republican president does come in, he will change anything the former Democratic president put into place too.

[ET2SN]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/948930/story_image/TMW2021-05-26color.png?1621626048


Too good to not share. :D

[Onkel Neal]

Biden, Reversing Trump, Permits a Key Putin Goal: a New Russian Natural Gas Pipeline to Germany



Sorry, I haven't been keeping up but how does Biden or any other US President have diddly to say about a pipeline between Germany and Russia?

[MaDef]

Sorry, I haven't been keeping up but how does Biden or any other US President have diddly to say about a pipeline between Germany and Russia?

Might have something to do with the 35,000+ military servicemen stationed in Germany. And NATO membership may have something to do with it also .

[Rockstar]

Sorry, I haven't been keeping up but how does Biden or any other US President have diddly to say about a pipeline between Germany and Russia?


No president has the right to directly interfere and say it can't be done. But they did try their damndest to stop that pipeline with sanctions, politics and headlines.

I wouldnt doubt we're backing the German Green Party too. Who just so happen to echo our own policies and like us are also against NS2, but for environmental reasons. :)

[mapuc]

Poll: 15-20% of Americans believe in core QAnon conspiracy theories

Fifteen percent of all Americans and 23% of Republicans said they agree that “the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2021/05/27/poll--15-20--of-americans-believe-in-core-qanon-conspiracy-theories

Harsh accusation I must say. NO I don't believe a word of it.

What scares me, is the number 15-20 % 1 out of 5 Americans.

Markus

[Skybird]

While germany benefits from US troops presence in terms of security, that presence cannot change the fact that geostrategically the US has tremendously lost interest - and capacities - to see the defence of all Europe as a top priority any longer. The challenge by China is too big for that, binds too much attention, necessarily.

What opportunistically gets ignored by some, however, is that Germany is neveretehless of huge interest for the US global military operations due to its relevance as a logistical, intel, remote control, comms and infrastructure centrepoint that is key for US gobal operations to the Indian ocean, the Gulf, the ME, Africa.

Its not complete to say just Germany has an interest in US troops staying. The US interest to keep the logistics platform and established infrastructure network of germany for its military global operationability, maybe is even higher. That could be shifted to another country, yes. But it would cost years of construction and billions in investments into the infrastructure of lets say Poland. And it would bring these non-combatting facilities closer to the Russians.

Its silly to mix Nordstream 2 and NATO affairs. Its apples and oranges. Last time I checked these looked differently, had different colours, and tasted differently.

However, as I alreayd said some days ago, the Russians have overstepped the curve. We should indeed cancel Nordstream 2 - and the other pipelines as well, and ending the so-called Petersburg dialogue and also the air travel between them and us. Also no more Hermes credits by the national government for business investements in Russia, and a reduction of business cooperations and initiatives. Chances for this happening, are nill. The germans, since the time before WW1 already, are very russophile. Many Germans - though not all - feel closer to the Russians, than to the Anglosaxons. During the Russian revolution already the Germans had great sympathy and understanding and transfigured their perception of the Russian misery.Whereas the anglosaxons sicne always have been mocked and looked down on as cold-hearted chandler's souls (Krämerseelen).


The germans must learn that an economy as export-dependent as the German one, is no strong economy, but a very weak economy. Being at the mercy of external factors one has no control over, is no strength, but dependency, weakness.

Not needing others that much, autarky - that is what raises your degrees of freedom, the number of options you can choose from - that is what is strength.

Thats why I am furious about this desastrous political thing named Merkel. She has spend 16 years to maximise Germany's weaknesses and dependencies and has systematically consummed reserves, without building new ones - but increasing Germany's liabilities. She is not as bad as the Nazis were, but she is the worst political desaster in Europe and Germany since the Nazis.


And it promsies to become much worse with the next government, no matter who wins national elections in Septembre.

[Rockstar]

Harsh accusation I must say. NO I don't believe a word of it.

What scares me, is the number 15-20 % 1 out of 5 Americans.

Markus


I dont know if I could mantain composure if I was asked that by a pollster. But I would have fun and check ya, sure I believe it doesn't everybody? :har:

[Catfish]

The general trend is not created by a few trying to trick the media, unfortunatey those are a real minority ;)

[Rockstar]

The general trend is not created by a few trying to trick the media, unfortunatey those are a real minority ;)




Collusion conspiracies, Bounty conspiracies, blackmail conspiracies, russian election hacking conspiracies, treason conspiracies. Seems the world is filled with gullible idiots.

[Buddahaid]

Collusion conspiracies, Bounty conspiracies, blackmail conspiracies, russian election hacking conspiracies, treason conspiracies. Seems the world is filled with gullible idiots.

Those things are at least plausible unlike Jewish space lasers, fake moon landings, fake Martian landings, flat earth, 5G, etc.....

[Skybird]

LINK: You wont believe how bancrupt the US is until you see this. (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/05/no_author/you-wont-believe-how-bankrupt-the-us-is-till-you-see-this/)


The innocence of numbers. Desillusionizing.

[Rockstar]

Those things are at least plausible unlike Jewish space lasers, fake moon landings, fake Martian landings, flat earth, 5G, etc.....


To the gullible what they believe is always plausable. Its one of the many reasons why they believe it.



https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/the-psychology-behind-conspiracy-theories

[Buddahaid]

Oops. Pretty funny slap to Texas Republicans.🤣

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-57343832

[MaDef]

Suffice to say, I feel the same about the 2nd amendment as Paxton does about the 14th. Yet I have to put up with all kinds of restrictions and regulations. Roe V Wade, allows women to get abortions, nothing in that ruling about unfettered access.

[Buddahaid]

Suffice to say, I feel the same about the 2nd amendment as Paxton does about the 14th. Yet I have to put up with all kinds of restrictions and regulations. Roe V Wade, allows women to get abortions, nothing in that ruling about unfettered access.

However the governor of Texas just signed a bill banning abortion as early as six weeks into term. We'll see if it goes into effect in September.

[August]

Right to Lifers consider a fetus to be a person with the same right to life as its mother from the moment of it's conception. The Pro Choice side does not consider a fetus to be a person at all and therefore has no right to life until it is delivered into this world.

I fear that with such incompatible beliefs anchoring both sides there is no negotiating a lasting compromise on this issue.

[Buddahaid]

I hear you. The problem I have with the new law is it makes no exception for victims of rape, or incest.

[August]

I hear you. The problem I have with the new law is it makes no exception for victims of rape, or incest.


You know those are certainly terrible crimes to be sure but they are not the fault of the child. Unfortunately laws like that ensure that he is the one who will pay the biggest price for them. More than the perpetrator, more than even the victim, the child pays for the crimes of incest and rape with his very life.

[Buddahaid]

Well then I would suggest the state foot the medical bill, pay the mother compensation, and take responsibility for the child after birth.

[Rockstar]

The law does provide for abortion when the mothers health is in jeopardy. Does 'health of the mother' include mental health?


Also victims of rape or incest have an oportunity to report these incidents. So I imagine there would be ample time to abort the fetus.

[MaDef]

The law does provide for abortion when the mothers health is in jeopardy. Does 'health of the mother' include mental health?


Also victims of rape or incest have an oportunity to report these incidents. So I imagine there would be ample time to abort the fetus.

Interesting questions, so I decided to do a quick lookup on why women get abortions and tripped over a study by the "Guttmacher Institute" (AKA: pro-choice thinktank) The following is from a study they did in 2005 (don't know if there is anything more recent).

The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%).

The percentage of abortions for rape and incest were 1%, and .5% respectively. Health of the mother (12%) health of the baby (13%) were slightly higher.

The way I see it the fight over abortion access isn't about the 14th amendment anymore, it's morphed into women wanting
to "eat your cake and then still have it too". In that light I'm fine with restrictions and regulations limiting their access.

[Buddahaid]

A woman may not know they are pregnant for several weeks which can leave a small window for deciding. The male partner is also equally responsible for having that cake.

[Rockstar]

A woman may not know they are pregnant for several weeks which can leave a small window for deciding. The male partner is also equally responsible for having that cake.


Perhaps children arent receiving a proper education about the birds and the bees? I would hope that by the time a man and women reach the age of consent. They should have pretty good understanding that contraception is not 100% effective and of the potential consequence of their actions. They got six weeks to start acting like responsible adults.



https://youtu.be/ZPH-AEiRYuU

[AVGWarhawk]

The male partner is also equally responsible for having that cake.

We know in the real world this taking responsibility is never a certainty.

[Texas Red]

In my opinion, I think that 6 weeks is early for banning an aborting since most females don’t know they are pregnant that early on. However, I think that abortion should be banned at the time the fetus has a heartbeat. When that rolls around the fetus is now a human and is living, and so when you abort a fetus when it has a heartbeat you are killing a human. And that is why I have issues with.

I do like that Texas took the initiative here, but 6 week is way too early for banning abortions. Technically, they are unofficially banning abortions since they put that 6 week rule in.

[MaDef]

6 weeks is about right if you take into account that a fetal heartbeat is usually detectable at 6 1/2 to 7 weeks.

[Buddahaid]

Yes, that's the cold science, how about adding a human factor to this that takes into account human failing that doesn't put all the onus on the woman? So far all the argument I've gotten involves blaming the woman for the whole enchalada. Hello? Is this the 21st century?

[MaDef]

A women's uterus, a women's responsibility.

[Buddahaid]

A man's penis, a man's responsibility.