US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Skybird]

Saw a travel documentary yesterday, "Amerika ungeschminkt", on the US in late summer and early autumn last year. A very gloomy and sobering show it was.

They had a resident interviewed in a park in New York. I try to quote by memory what he said. It went like this:

"This is a very polarized country, there are two sides and they hve no more shared ground on which to meet and communicate. 70 or 80% of Republicans still seriously believe that Trump had won the election, and that Democrats run a child pornography ring from some pizza restaurant in a pizza restaurant's backyard in New York. And this QAnon stuff, its madness. There is only absurd extremist claims, but no more shared communication code. We cannot even agree anymore what "reality" is, what "facts" to argue over. Everybody breeds his own "facts". Everybody constructs his own wanted reality instead. But under such circumstances, any attempt to talk and have any form of a discussion must stall from start on. There are just two separate sides that stand irreconcilably against each other. I am very pessimistic for the future."

By memory and in my words, but more or less this is what he said.

He also said that this was already so sinc b efore Corona, that Corona does not have much to do with the change and growing hostility, polarization, in the socio-cultural climate.

And at another opportunity they had a guy saying this: "The American dream? You must be deep asleep to dream it."

They also said that NY had 66 million tourists :o in 2019 - and now ojnly a microscopic fraction of that is coming. With al the finciaol fallout this brings for all te amyn businesses and people who deepend on tourists. Said one guy: "This city is no more what it used to be, its completely different."

Many other impression from three other regiosn across the contient gave even more depressing impressions. What the images and given informaiton do sclsed, was that of a country in steep decline and accelerating social polarization. Many city scenes rem ineded me of places I have seen myself: in the nineties, in Northenr Africa and the Middle East.

The streets' "quality" and the chaotic gridlines I have also seen before. In the GDR.

I think, as a foreigner and stranger from this far away perspective, that the US society no longer cna claim to be a model to crave for. Its a dystopia now. Don'twake up, so that you can continue to dream of the American dream.

Travel impressions from autumn last year. Subjective. But sometimes things can be subjective - and nevertheless be applicable.

[Rockstar]

I don't think that works either. If she said socialism then she could have a point. The USA is already socialistic so the argument is over how much is good. I doubt a privately owned business is interested in communism at all.

No I don’t think they are either. However, I just read the article. It seems to me communist plots and revolutions may have just been a figure of political speech/pandering. Her real concern was the reported 18,000 deaths and the 28,000 now permanently disabled since receiving the vaccine.

I brought this up before asking if you can imagine if that many died from eating some Oreo cookies? There would be such a public outcry to investigate and holy hell to pay which would put Nabisco or whoever makes those fat pills out of business. But this vaccine? Not one peep, in fact I would go so far and say media does their best to squash any critical questions regarding vaccines or inquiry into alternative treatments and what’s working around the world.

[Rockstar]

Saw a travel documentary yesterday, "Amerika ungeschminkt", on the US in late summer and early autumn last year. A very gloomy and sobering show it was.

They had a resident interviewed in a park in New York. I try to quote by memory what he said. It went like this:

"This is a very polarized country, there are two sides and they hve no more shared ground on which to meet and communicate. 70 or 80% of Republicans still seriously believe that Trump had won the election, and that Democrats run a child pornography ring from some pizza restaurant in a pizza restaurant's backyard in New York. And this QAnon stuff, its madness. There is only absurd extremist claims, but no more shared communication code. We cannot even agree anymore what "reality" is, what "facts" to argue over. Everybody breeds his own "facts". Everybody constructs his own wanted reality instead. But under such circumstances, any attempt to talk and have any form of a discussion must stall from start on. There are just two separate sides that stand irreconcilably against each other. I am very pessimistic for the future."

By memory and in my words, but more or less this is what he said.

He also said that this was already so sinc b efore Corona, that Corona does not have much to do with the change and growing hostility, polarization, in the socio-cultural climate.

And at another opportunity they had a guy saying this: "The American dream? You must be deep asleep to dream it."

They also said that NY had 66 million tourists :o in 2019 - and now ojnly a microscopic fraction of that is coming. With al the finciaol fallout this brings for all te amyn businesses and people who deepend on tourists. Said one guy: "This city is no more what it used to be, its completely different."

Many other impression from three other regiosn across the contient gave even more depressing impressions. What the images and given informaiton do sclsed, was that of a country in steep decline and accelerating social polarization. Many city scenes rem ineded me of places I have seen myself: in the nineties, in Northenr Africa and the Middle East.

The streets' "quality" and the chaotic gridlines I have also seen before. In the GDR.

I think, as a foreigner and stranger from this far away perspective, that the US society no longer cna claim to be a model to crave for. Its a dystopia now. Don'twake up, so that you can continue to dream of the American dream.

Travel impressions from autumn last year. Subjective. But sometimes things can be subjective - and nevertheless be applicable.


It’s weird I read in the news how mandate Nazis in New York lock down travel, businesses, and such.

But guess what I see here in Florida? Cars with New York license plates are everywhere I guess snowbirds on vacation. Hell even AOC was down here dining without a mask on while her constituents back home take a bite of the big Democrat poop sandwich.

[Skybird]

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/feiertag_ts/27950310/2-format1007.jpg
Recent polls:


Almost 4 in 5 Republicans say that the Donald had won the election.
Over one third of Americans say Biden is an illegitimate president.
At least 1 in 11 Americans believes in QAnon conspiracies.

No evidence ever was given. Over 60 attempts by Republicans to overturn election results at court, have been shot down by judges.

The quick coup d'etat on January 6th 2021 had been prevented at last minute, with last breath. Since then, the US is under siege by an ongoing creeping coup that now has its accomplices crawling and sneaking into supportive influential positions, along with supportive alteration (manipulation) of legislation at Republican states level.

The question is not wether the US is desintegrating, social-culturally. It does. The only question is whether it can stop this process again before reaching its completion.

I have strong doubts. Its said the self-healing powers of the US are strong, and that history holds exampels for that. But I fear this time its beyond the point of no return already.

[Jeff-Groves]

I have strong doubts. Its said the self-healing powers of the US are strong, and that history holds exampels for that. But I fear this time its beyond the point of no return already.
You and me both!

[mapuc]

The Danish reporter in USA said that Trump is still popular among the Rep. He also said that half of the Rep don't like him but vote for him anyway and the other half love him.

Going to be interesting to see whether he runs solo or run for Rep(GOP I think they also are called)

If he runs solo he will steal thousand of votes from Rep. and Dem will win, whoever they put up as candidate.

(Could be wrong)

Edit
Found an article which I translated into English-Not perfect though.
https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/politik/et-aar-efter-angrebet-trump-er-favorit/9071319?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da

End edit

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

You have to understand that the Rich SOB's own the USA.
It's the Golden Rule!
He who owns the Gold Rules!

[em2nought]

Happy Insurrection Day! :har:


Some shenanigans at WSJ whenever I link "this" opinion from Jeffrey Scott Shapiro the WSJ places a video that I'm not seeing in the original link just above the story that I want you to see. The video from Potomac Watch (01/07/21): "A politician has to work hard to destroy a legacy and a future in a single day." Utter B.S. I say,
This kind of sneaky B.S. is the exact kind of B.S. that people like me are upset about.
So read or listen to this opinion from Jeffrey Scott Shapiro and ignore that video that they make you think that I want you to see


By Jeffrey Scott Shapiro
Jan. 5, 2022 6:12 pm ET


https://www.wsj.com/articles/stop-calling-jan-6-an-insurrection-capitol-riot-civil-disorder-insurgency-protest-first-amendment-11641417543

http://www.crispusattucksmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Boston_Massacre-gravure-702x336.jpg

[Jeff-Groves]

:woot::woot::woot::woot:

You know it's going to end up as a day all Government workers get a freaking day off.
With pay!

[em2nought]

:woot::woot::woot::woot:

You know it's going to end up as a day all Government workers get a freaking day off.
With pay!


...and free trauma counseling :har:

[Rockstar]

From the above Democrat Blue Anon conspiracy theories to the
Democrat Cult mentality.

https://youtu.be/MGDOv1prXdg

[Skybird]

Full transcript:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/full-transcript-biden-harris-speak-capitol-hill-jan/story?id=82110360

A good speech Biden gave, I must admit that. It will acchieve nothing, however. Because there is no more shared code of communication and no more shared ground on defining what "reality" is. Many loosers out there for whom the American Dream has failed, sometimes due to their faults, sometimes without their fault. Its a corrupt system. It breeds ever more corruption, and for every winner it breeds five or ten thousand loosers struggling to merely exist from one day to the next. It reminds of the Hunger Games in Panem. Insanity rules. Malicious craving for power at all cost has destroyed the political culture. The tree, looking big and mighty in silhouette, has become rotten from within. Knock on it, and you hear a hollow sound.

The Donald meanwhile has emptied and thrown off some garbage bins in the backyard, recorded the loud noise on tape and gave that to the media as his reply. The mob is applauding. The handclapping ventilates the stink all over the place again.

[mapuc]

Your problem-Your political problem infect ordinary people here in Denmark a friends friend posted this on his wall

"On the anniversary of Trump's treacherous attempts to stir up his support for storming Congress and committing coups, I just want to ask those of my friends here on FB who still believe in Trump's lies to erase themselves, or give me message. Honestly do not bother to be friends with anyone who supports this criminal."

And this

Those of you who dislike Trump please erase yourself from my friend list.

I shake my head-It's an American problem not our Danish problem.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

I think Trump's star power is getting pushed aside now by a GOP that is coming to terms with needing to pass that stone.

[em2nought]

I think Trump's star power is getting pushed aside now by a GOP that is coming to terms with needing to pass that stone.


Dream on. :har:

[Skybird]

My impression is his grip on the Grand Orange Party is tighter than ever.

[mapuc]

I think Trump's star power is getting pushed aside now by a GOP that is coming to terms with needing to pass that stone.

As I see it from my point of view on this side of the great pond.

He is very, very popular among the Rep. Which indicate that any opponent must do a lot of work to through Trump of the throne de famous.

We all expect that he will run for office 2024-But are we 100 % sure he will ?

Markus

[Skybird]

Right now, I am quite sure he would win. Both candidacy, and presidency.

Many Rep politicians still dont dare to break out of the line that mercilessly defends his deeds, and stays silent. A huge portion of Rep voters stay loyal to him. The majority so far. The seed of the stolen-election-lie bears fruits.

His test is winning the candidacy, and I think he would. Beating Biden now would be the easier task for him. Biden is blocked by 100% destruction-oriented Rep blockades. He cannot acchieve anything that traditionally counts in US elections, and cannot keep up to his promises, and he is older and older, Harris has hopelessly underperformed so far, and the party's ultra-left are in the starting block for rebellion. The Democrats already have lost parts of those voters that traditonally would not have voted for them, but last time did, just to get rid of Trump. They are turning away next time, because, as already said, Biden did not deliver and probably cannot deliver.

Right now I see chances better than 3:1 or 4:1 for the Donald's terrible return. :doh: Currently only his age and health can prevent that, I think.

[mapuc]

Since there are American politician on this list I post the link in our US-thread.

It’s the Top Ten list no one wants to be on.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/whos-afraid-of-ghislaine-maxwell-everyone-on-this-list/

Markus

[Skybird]

Since there are American politician on this list I post the link in our US-thread.



https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/whos-afraid-of-ghislaine-maxwell-everyone-on-this-list/

Markus
Maybe a sudden suicide will happen to her like it happened to Epstein.

[Buddahaid]

I doubt it but it is interesting to think about.

[Gorpet]

Obviously peoples opinions are greatly formed by the environments they have experienced. I'll concider myself lucky overall.

Bowie was a literary connoisseur who devoured books. On his 1970 tour across America, Bowie took with him a 1,500 volume library in addition to heroic amounts of cocaine. Yes we are formed by the environments we have experienced. Bowie was a superman.

[mapuc]

Maybe a sudden suicide will happen to her like it happened to Epstein.


I'm pretty sure she's America's most guarded and supervised prisoner-In case she decide to commit "suicide"

Markus

[Skybird]

I'm pretty sure she's America's most guarded and supervised prisoner-In case she decide to commit "suicide"

Markus
I did not talk of "committing suicide". I said "suicide happening to her".

Suicides do not just "happen" to people, like an accident. Its in fact murder committed by somebody else.

In other words, I was ironic. There have eben doubts from beginning on that Epstein indeed committed suicide. And clear is that with all the compromising info he must have known, many very powerful people must have had an immense interest that he doe snot speak out and could not reveal his information anymore.

[mapuc]

^ Sorry Skybird for having misunderstod your comment.

No doubt that some if not everyone on that list is sweating right now.

Markus

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/PxRI3ZYB-j4

[Buddahaid]

Oath Keeper gets charged with sedition.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59989124

[Rockstar]

Like I said before, only difference between Democrats and Q-anon is there are far more Democrats.

https://youtu.be/MHaN1bAnouI

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60044270

[August]

Meanwhile...


As he documents the role of Hillary Clinton’s campaign in generating false allegations of Trump-Russia collusion, Special Counsel John Durham has also previewed a challenge to the FBI’s claims about how and why its counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign began. At stake is the completeness of the official reckoning within the U.S. government over the Russiagate scandal – and whether there will be an accounting commensurate with the offense: the abuse of the nation's highest law enforcement and intelligence powers to damage an opposition presidential candidate turned president, at the behest of his opponent from the governing party he defeated.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/01/20/the_tension_over_truth_and_consequences_gripping_t he_fbis_trump-russia_reckoning_812321.html

[Rockstar]

Meanwhile...




https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/01/20/the_tension_over_truth_and_consequences_gripping_t he_fbis_trump-russia_reckoning_812321.html

Yep, back then Blue Anon believed Trumps election wasn’t legitimate because Putin got him in office. I remember the pages upon pages of all talking about all the proof. How they’re going after the low hanging fruit first, soon, tick tock tick toc any day now. LOL it was a BOONDOGGLE!


These days Biden is already insinuating because his so called voting rights bill wasn’t passed. The upcoming election might be illegitimate too.

[Skybird]

Elections... :har:




https://bilderupload.org/image/thumbnail/resized-bca812249-6508.jpg (https://bilderupload.org/bild/bca812249-6508)


Arsenic or cyanid, whats your preference? Chosing one is important!

[Rockstar]

The state of mind of the American voter.

https://youtu.be/jfAsOp2qgkw

Democrats are outraged migrants are in cages. But then demand our own citizens should occupy them?

http://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/0313-Krakow.jpg

[MaDef]

I listened to Biden's press conference (all 2 hours of it), His answers were basically word salad.

[Rockstar]

Funny but very very scary true.

https://youtu.be/uVFg0ATH7ig

[Buddahaid]

Another defeat for Trump.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/01/court-rebuffs-trumps-bid-to-block-release-of-documents-related-to-jan-6-riot/

[August]

Another defeat for Trump.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/01/court-rebuffs-trumps-bid-to-block-release-of-documents-related-to-jan-6-riot/


This is going to be the thing that finally gets him right Budda? :)

[Buddahaid]

This is going to be the thing that finally gets him right Budda? :)

Could lead into it. It could also finally provide evidence for election fraud but not the type Trump still rants about.

[u crank]

Will Democrats Ever Stop Embarrassing Themselves?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/will-democrats-ever-stop-embarrassing-themselves/ar-AASZ7xP

On Wednesday evening, the last night of the first year of Joe Biden’s presidency, the Democrats finally accepted what has been obvious for months: With their bare majority in the Senate, they could not get 50 votes to change the chamber’s rules and pass a package of voting rights bills. It’s unusual for a Senate Majority Leader, such as Chuck Schumer, to call a vote that divides his own party—and formalizes two members of his majority as pariahs—against a united opposition. But if that’s what it took to end this cycle of Democrats repeatedly running their heads into a wall on the issue, then so be it.

Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema could not have said more clearly or more often that they would never change the sixty-vote threshold, no matter how many Jim Crow references their colleagues lobbed around. Trying to corner and isolate them may have been Democratic leaders’ best strategy for changing their minds, but it didn’t work.

[August]

Could lead into it. It could also finally provide evidence for election fraud but not the type Trump still rants about.


How many times have we heard that crap since Trump came down the elevator? 10, 20, 50 times? Every one has been an abject failure. Democrat Schiff running around claiming to have proof of Russia collusion that turned out to be imaginary, hookers peeing on beds, A Ukraine phone call that was trumped up to be something it was not, Tax returns, Scottish golf courses and so on and so on.

If there was anything really there then Trumps communications, which have been under the control of the Democrat administration since they took office a year ago, would have been leaked to their corporate media propagandists by now but nothing. That tells me nothing is exactly what this will turn out to be too.

This is pure political theater and I hope that it's the type of theater that you enjoy because when the Republicans take control of congress next year they are going to be putting on their own version of it and it will have more substance than just pure hate.

[Buddahaid]

Don't put words in my mouth.

[August]

Don't put words in my mouth.


I did not.

[Homer Simpson]

Not sure if you guys have seen this but this is the funniest question ever to a Pentagon official :) Topic is Russia has over 140 warships at sea


"Does the Pentagon have any indications that perhaps a submarine may be trying to defect?"

"No, we do not."


https://twitter.com/i/status/1484648092284686337

[Skybird]

^ Good one! :D

[mapuc]

Not sure if you guys have seen this but this is the funniest question ever to a Pentagon official :) Topic is Russia has over 140 warships at sea


"Does the Pentagon have any indications that perhaps a submarine may be trying to defect?"

"No, we do not."


https://twitter.com/i/status/1484648092284686337

:har::har:

Markus

[Catfish]

How many times have we heard that crap since Trump came down the elevator? [...]
Maybe as often as Trump almost had a stroke claiming he won the election?
Maybe because there is some truth, you know "no smoke without a fire" and all that. I heard some Hannity or Tucker lover built a whole campaign on lies and half truths, so why so picky now?

[em2nought]

How many times have we heard that crap since Trump came down the elevator?


I'm betting they'll coerce Ghislaine Maxwell into falsely testifying that Trump was one of the beautiful people who had sex with underage girls on Epstein's Island. :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

Go suck eggs you fascist democrat liberal mandate Nazis. Your party leaders were prepared to do your bidding of locking up your fellow citizens, taking children from their Parents and sending the unbelievers of your man god Fauci to prison.

All you got is some old Blue anon conspiracy theory about Trump? You are that very thing you feared the most. Bunch of facistl mandate nazi kooks. Hurry along now Covidian cult members go get your daily booster.

https://youtu.be/1O7ugdwv3iY

[Rockstar]

Trump so called “half truths and lies” are nothing more than kook liberal hive mind conspiracy theories. All of which are so very old and worn out, a horse that died along time ago. Here’s a news flash for the hangers on, Trump lost the election last year, he doesn’t matter.

This is the here and now. A democrat conspiracy theory dream come true; a president who has already suggested the next election to be illegitimate.

https://youtu.be/99FaGuRVAs8

[nikimcbee]

Go suck eggs you fascist democrat liberal mandate Nazis. Your party leaders were prepared to do your bidding of locking up your fellow citizens, taking children from their Parents and sending the unbelievers of your man god Fauci to prison.

All you got is some old Blue anon conspiracy theory about Trump? You are that very thing you feared the most. Bunch of facistl mandate nazi kooks. Hurry along now Covidian cult members go get your daily booster.

https://youtu.be/1O7ugdwv3iY


Ditto, can't wait for the dust to settle on this, and we get the actual numbers on this. Great podcast Rockstar. I've never heard of that guy before, where is he from?:Kaleun_Salute:

[ET2SN]

I've never heard of that guy before, where is he from?:Kaleun_Salute:

A group called The Young Turks but they had a falling out. :03:

[Rockstar]

Jimmy Dore is according to his own words a pothead broadcasting from his garage and a socialist. About as left wing as they come. Other than his current commentary on COVID politics and so called science there is little to nothing else he says I agree with.

IMO he’s a hoot.

Another favorite

Looking at the kook fringe Covidian cult liberal mandate Nazis belief in their right to rule over others and the extent they would go to in order to control other peoples lives and bodies “I can understand how 1933 happened”.



https://youtu.be/xu3ux1h_caU

[August]

Maybe as often as Trump almost had a stroke claiming he won the election?
Maybe because there is some truth, you know "no smoke without a fire" and all that. I heard some Hannity or Tucker lover built a whole campaign on lies and half truths, so why so picky now?


Lame.

[nikimcbee]

A group called The Young Turks but they had a falling out. :03:


LOL, no way, really? I've heard of them and can't stand them.

[ET2SN]

LOL, no way, really? I've heard of them and can't stand them.

Jimmy was the guy who had a bar fight with Alex Jones, live and in color, from the press suites during the democratic national convention. It took almost an entire micro second to get his credentials revoked. :up:

Its none of my business, but you might want to be a little more careful in how you pick your prophets. :03:

[nikimcbee]

Jimmy was the guy who had a bar fight with Alex Jones, live and in color, from the press suites during the democratic national convention. It took almost an entire micro second to get his credentials revoked. :up:

Its none of my business, but you might want to be a little more careful in how you pick your prophets. :03:


:Kaleun_Cheers: I didn't realize how much I've tuned out all this (political) BS. I guess I missed the show.:D

[August]

I believe this to be a very illuminating article. It's idea that the Deep State is not a "conspiracy or a cabal" but as he put it "a consortium of shared statist assumptions propelled by high-minded or financial self-interest." mirrors my own beliefs on the subject of what the Federal Government has become.



Anyways it's a good read. Here's the first few paragraphs and a link to the article below (I bolded what I thought are particularly good passages):






The deep state is no conspiracy theory

Progressive monoculture has enveloped many of our private and public institutions. Aldous Huxley saw it coming

January 19, 2022 | 10:56 am


In 1958, Aldous Huxley foresaw a congestion of power able to shape and defy popular will. “Under the relentless thrust of accelerating over-population and increasing over-organization, and by means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature,” he predicted. “The quaint old forms—elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest—will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of non-violent totalitarianism.”
The changes, according to the author of Brave New World, would be almost imperceptible. “All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial,” he continued. “Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.”
The Deep State today is Huxley’s prophesy arrived. Like it or not, Americans live inside a power complex and thought machine that radiates from Washington, DC. Concentrated in blue metro counties and states, its moving parts and wheels, as with a clock, enable us to live in the exacting polity, economy, and culture that we do.
In lofty circles, it is said that the Deep State is a far-right conspiracy theory, nothing more. The very words elicit an eye-roll and a smirk. But what else synchronizes uncountable public agencies and their private-sector partners — wink-wink — in the absence of executive statesmanship? What has made the wheels of government go round and round this last year, and if we are honest, for a very long time?
Surface government, elected and appointed, is only its polished clock-face. Television and newspapers report the ticks and tocks daily. Right now, this clock-face looks like something melting, or covered with ants, a surreal dreamscape straight out of Salvador Dali.
Seeking to federalize election rules, in Atlanta last week, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris compared last year’s Capitol riot to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Biden likened adversaries of “voting rights” to the ardent segregationists of the 1960s.
The spectacularly inept Harris matters because Biden’s crumbling façade could collapse at any minute. And there she is, the nation’s prospective jeweler-in-chief, the overseer of what Charles Hugh Smith schematizes as “a vast structure that incorporates hard and soft power — military, diplomatic, intelligence, finance, commercial, energy, media, higher education — in a system of global domination and influence.”
The Deep State is not a conspiracy or a cabal but a consortium of shared statist assumptions propelled by high-minded or financial self-interest. K Street’s mercenary lobbyists push boondoggles. True believers and single-interest advocacies pride themselves on their tunnel vision. The actual bandits are few.
The Deep State includes the federal civil service and its satellites in states, counties and municipalities, funded by and loyal to central power. It includes the military forces and defense industry; money, banking, credit, and finance; research universities; oil and energy, transportation, housing, food, and utilities; and, of course, the all-important electronic ether.


https://spectatorworld.com/topic/deep-state-no-conspiracy/

[mapuc]

Wondered what this Deep State was so I made a search and found this article

“Mr. Trump’s response,” the authors write, “was colored by his suspicion of and disdain for what he viewed as the ‘deep state,’ the very people in his government whose expertise and long experience might have guided him more quickly toward steps that would slow the virus, and likely save lives.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/5/13/21219164/trump-deep-state-fbi-cia-david-rohde

Markus

[Rockstar]

https://media.giphy.com/media/fSYClFsQp8AHkWZexi/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[mapuc]

It looks like I missed the point so please enlighten me-Teach me more about this Deep State.

Markus

[Otto Harkaman]

Deep state - Parts of the governmental apparatus bureaucracy have decided that they are better at governance than the constitutionally elected government.

[August]

It looks like I missed the point so please enlighten me-Teach me more about this Deep State.

Markus




Don't see it as a cult of personality Markus but rather and example of how entrenched bureaucracy can take on a life of it's own. The Deep State we're talking about doesn't care whether their current masters are left or right as long as whatever ideological crusade those interests represent means increased power for them.

Guy like Trump comes along talking about how he is going to Drain the Swamp is going to get a lot of push back from them.

[mapuc]

Thank you for your answer on my question.

Make me wonder how strong the Deep State is in USA and what different will it make to vote-when they are in charge and not the elected.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Thank you for your answer on my question.

Make me wonder how strong the Deep State is in USA and what different will it make to vote-when they are in charge and not the elected.

Markus

A president should, within the confines of the law, always be able to hire and fire anyone he so desires in the executive branch since all those unelected ne’er-do-wells are supposed to work for him, not the other way around. Unfortunately back then the previous one tried and a flock idiots accused him of fascism and destroying democracy.

As an elected official of this government any president needs to get people in his branch who will work with him and promote the policies which got him elected in the first place.

The check to absolute power are both houses of Congress.

At least that’s how I think it should work.

[August]

A president should, within the confines of the law, always be able to hire and fire anyone he so desires in the executive branch since all those unelected ne’er-do-wells are supposed to work for him, not the other way around. Unfortunately back then the previous one tried and a flock idiots accused him of fascism and destroying democracy.

As an elected official of this government any president needs to get people in his branch who will work with him and promote the policies which got him elected in the first place.

The check to absolute power are both houses of Congress.

At least that’s how I think it should work.


And that IMO was Trumps biggest failure. POTUS isn't a job that one can do by themselves. They need to bring in a whole army of bureaucrats and managers along with them that share the vision and will work to promote the agenda. Trump foolishly thought that winning the office meant that he won a such a team and the hold overs he left in place did nothing but trip him up at every turn.

[August]

Interesting article:


Report: State Contracts Boost Dem-Linked Lawyers, Not Consumers

By Susan Crabtree - RCP Staff January 24, 2022

Last year, McKinsey & Company, the global management consulting firm, agreed to pay nearly $600 million to settle complaints brought by 49 state attorneys general for its alleged role in exacerbating the opioid crisis. McKinsey was accused of helping to “turbo-charge” opioid sales by advising drug manufacturers to focus marketing efforts on doctors already writing the most prescriptions of the addictive painkillers.

But the first recipient of the windfall was a group of lawyers. The settlement deal allocated $15 million to the nonprofit National Association of Attorneys General with the remaining cash mainly slated for state government departments and state general fund accounts.

So much for the consumer protection the lawsuits promised. And it’s hardly an isolated case. Attorneys general – politicians who have to campaign for that role – and other state government entities often hire large private trial-lawyer firms to help prosecute their cases, entering into weak contracts that provide big fees for the firms but few guarantees that consumers will see any restitution from the legal action, according to a new report by the conservative Alliance for Consumers.

The report also notes that, though Democrats tend to boast about standing up to big business and protecting consumers, it’s Democratic politicians who appear to benefit most from weak public contracts, as well as their natural political ties to trial lawyers.

The AFC study found that the top eight plaintiff-side trial firms — all of which boast numerous state and local government public contracts involving prominent litigation — generated $15 million in combined political donations from 2017 to 2020. The donations were doled out by the firms either directly, or through their roughly 1,300 lawyers and other employees and staff, with 98% of those funds going to Democrats or groups supporting their reelection. Those eight firms are Morgan & Morgan, Lieff Cabraser, Motley Rice, Baron & Budd, Grant & Eisenhofer, Berger Montague, Cohen Milstein, and Simmons Hanly Conroy.

The $15 million from these eight firms dwarfs federal donations generated by some of the biggest U.S.-based corporations, including BlackRock (the world’s largest asset manager), Nike and Twitter.

Lieff Cabraser, for instance, generated more than $30,000 per lawyer in federal giving from 2017 through 2020, more than $2.5 million in total with only $30 of that political largesse going to a Republican candidate or committee, the AFC found.

“It’s a political money game where [these firms] are getting millions in state money through very problematic, under-protective contracts, then they’re turning around and being very aggressive with their political giving to Democrats,” said O.H. Skinner, the executive director of Alliance for Consumers, which works to ensure that consumer-protection efforts, class-action lawsuits and attorney general enforcement actions are consistent with the rule of law and benefit everyday consumers, not just class-action lawyers and politicians.

“Time and time again in these cases, it ends up with lawyers getting millions of dollars, part of which goes to help feed political donations to Democrats, and consumers get nothing. … Consumer protection is getting hijacked,” he said.

Skinner, who previously worked on top consumer-oriented cases under Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich, argues the taxpayer-funded contracts between state governments and these firms often lack basic ethics protections that should be part of all outside-counsel contracts.

Too often, he said, the contracts are only a few pages long and glaringly weak, sometimes appearing to be written by the trial lawyers themselves rather than government officials. The contracts, which often have no expiration date, also almost never ensure that contingency fees for the lawyers will not be taken out of money set aside for restitution to victims, for instance. They also usually fail to require that the lawyers provide the best pricing terms that the same firms offer to other governmental clients on the same matters. And the contracts almost never include language providing appropriate conflicts protection, even though trial lawyers often represent multiple government entities that may have very different interests in the same case.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/01/24/report_state_contracts_boost_dem-linked_lawyers_not_consumers_147083.html

[mapuc]

It's OK he belongs to the good guys and Fox News are with the bad guys.

Fox White House Correspondent Peter Doocy asked Biden, "Would you take a question on inflation ... ? Do you think inflation is a political liability in the midterms?"

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/24/politics/biden-calls-reporter/index.html

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Georgia grants special grand jury to investigate Trump's election interference. No power to indict but power to subpoena.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/24/politics/georgia-trump-grand-jury/index.html

[August]

Georgia grants special grand jury to investigate Trump's election interference. No power to indict but power to subpoena.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/24/politics/georgia-trump-grand-jury/index.html

Ah, it's the "Get Trump Fishing Expedition, Episode #279". Like the 278 others that have preceded it I expect that their boat will turn out to be named The Minnow and is heading out for yet another "three hour tour" at taxpayer expense!

[Buddahaid]

Ah, it's the "Get Trump Fishing Expedition, Episode #279". Like the 278 others that have preceded it I expect that their boat will turn out to be named The Minnow and is heading out for yet another "three hour tour" at taxpayer expense!

It could be. Right up there next to the plethora of failed lawsuits trying to prove election fraud, but hey, there's Mike Lindell still out there saying he has enough dope to jail 300 million people for life and special super paper that has whatever. I mean with sensible people like that on your side what could go wrong? Rudy Giuliani seems to have been shut up at least which stops at least some of the embarrassment.

[August]

It could be. Right up there next to the plethora of failed lawsuits trying to prove election fraud, but hey, there's Mike Lindell still out there saying he has enough dope to jail 300 million people for life and special super paper that has whatever. I mean with sensible people like that on your side what could go wrong? Rudy Giuliani seems to have been shut up at least which stops at least some of the embarrassment.

I'm sorry but are you thinking that Mike Lindell some sort of government official? Last I heard he was a private citizen who right, wrong or debatable is still entitled to his opinion in this country in spite of the efforts of the fascist Democrats to silence everything but their party line. You seem to be confusing that with government officials and agencies misusing their power in vendettas against political opponents.

I can't wait to see the Repubs retake Congress and see the political investigation boot move to the other foot.

[Buddahaid]

Where's the proof of voter fraud? It's been well over a year?

[MaDef]

Where's the proof of voter fraud? It's been well over a year?

In a filing cabinet, next to the file marked "voter suppression evidence"

[Rockstar]

In a filing cabinet, next to the file marked "voter suppression evidence"

You could check Schiff's personal safe under Russian collusion next to the pee tapes. Also I heard Michael Cohen and other low hanging fruit are ready to turn over new evidence any day now.

[Buddahaid]

You could check Schiff's personal safe under Russian collusion next to the pee tapes. Also I heard Michael Cohen and other low hanging fruit are ready to turn over new evidence any day now.

It's easy to have low hanging fruit when the "tree" is a dwarf.:Kaleun_Wink:

[August]

Fauci and covid origins to be investigated by congress if it flips to GoP control in november.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-covid-19-origins-to-be-investigated-if-house-flips-back-to-gop-control-in-2022-jim-jordan


This ought to be good!

[em2nought]

https://www.askideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Always-trust-your-first-gut-instincts.-If-you-genuinely-feel-in-your-Heart-and-soul-that-something-is-wrong-it-usually-is.jpgWhere's the proof of voter fraud? It's been well over a year?

[Buddahaid]

https://www.askideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Always-trust-your-first-gut-instincts.-If-you-genuinely-feel-in-your-Heart-and-soul-that-something-is-wrong-it-usually-is.jpg

Hmmm? I'm not sure how to read that since it doesn't support any political position, or all of them. :hmmm:

[Catfish]

The conspiracy road to nowhere? :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

Fauci and covid origins to be investigated by congress if it flips to GoP control in november.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-covid-19-origins-to-be-investigated-if-house-flips-back-to-gop-control-in-2022-jim-jordan


This ought to be good!

Not the man-god science! He’s the savior of Democrats and libtards around the world who fell head over heels in love with him. Fauci said he is science!

Couple that with investigations into the Speaker’s and Fed chair stock trades and investments. Prices are rising, cost of living skyrocketing, lost businesses, lost homes and Democrats do what they do best which is to take advantage and get rich off of others misfortune while distracting everyone with more Trump conspiracy theories.

Should be quite entertaining.

[August]

Not the man-god science! He’s the savior of Democrats and libtards around the world who fell head over heels in love with him. Fauci said he is science!

Couple that with investigations into the Speaker’s and Fed chair stock trades and investments. Prices are rising, cost of living skyrocketing, lost businesses, lost homes and Democrats do what they do best which is to take advantage and get rich off of others misfortune while distracting everyone with more Trump conspiracy theories.

Should be quite entertaining.

Definitely. It'd be really cool if McCarthy or whoever takes over as Speaker bounces a bunch of big shot Dems from their committee assignments as payback for Nancys Jan 6th hit. :up:

[Catfish]

[...] .. bounces a bunch of big shot Dems from their committee assignments as payback for Nancys Jan 6th hit. :up:
I was not aware that Mrs Pelosi had tried to storm the Capitol; hard to keep track of those conspiracy theories :har: "Black is white and Trump is right".

[August]

I was not aware that Mrs Pelosi had tried to storm the Capitol; hard to keep track of those conspiracy theories :har: "Black is white and Trump is right".

You know willful obtuseness is really unattractive. :yep:

[Buddahaid]

You know willful obtuseness is really unattractive. :yep:

You mean like pretending that what happened on the sixth was just a play date?

[August]

You mean like pretending that what happened on the sixth was just a play date?

So far nobody has proven otherwise.

[August]

Biden Crime Family News (Bolding is mine)

Chinese elite have paid some $31 million to Hunter and the Bidens
By Peter Schweizer
January 27, 2022 8:04pm Updated

For those wondering why Joe Biden is soft on China, consider this never-before-reported revelation: The Biden family has done five deals in China totaling some $31 million arranged by individuals with direct ties to Chinese intelligence — some reaching the very top of China’s spy agency.

Indeed, every known deal that the Biden family enjoyed with Beijing was reached courtesy of individuals with spy ties. And Joe Biden personally benefited from his family’s foreign deals.

What are these deals? And who are the individuals who made them happen for the Bidens?

Here, then, are a few key facts about the Biden family’s $5 million-plus deals with individuals in bed with Chinese intelligence.

See the rest at:

https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/chinese-elite-have-paid-some-31m-to-hunter-and-the-bidens/

[ET2SN]

Geez, August. Any port in a storm? :haha:
The Post, The New York Post?
Didn't they used to do stories about Bat Boy? :haha:

[August]

You're thinking about the National Enquirer. If you disagree with the articles substance then please elucidate but if all you have is snarky comments then please bugger off.



Not This Time’: Standing Up to the Democrat Firing Squad
Nick Freitas defends his constituents against a party that turns on anyone who disagrees — even from within its own ranks.


I’m told Nick Freitas is a hell of a guy. From what I’ve seen of him, I’m inclined to agree.

Freitas is a delegate in the Virginia Legislature, which last year flipped to the GOP along with that state’s three statewide positions in last year’s elections. He’s now in the majority and the Legislature has been in session for a few days, and Freitas has noticed what’s inescapable.

Namely, the name-calling.

We’ll let him tell that story. Freitas cut loose on the floor of Virginia’s House of Delegates Wednesday after watching a cavalcade of slurs and calumnies issuing forth from his colleagues on the Democrat side, and here’s what that was like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OG1FHJtwCY

https://spectator.org/democrat-firing-squad-kyrsten-sinema-nick-freitas/

[Buddahaid]

Lindsey Graham gets labeled a RINO by Trump for not supporting Trump's position.
https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/02-2-2022/trumps-latest-rino/

"I don't want to reinforce that defiling the Capitol was OK," he said. "I don't want to do anything that would make this more likely in the future."

Lindsey Graham

[Buddahaid]

Republican cancel culture in action.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60254327

[Rockstar]

Republican cancel culture in action.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60254327

REALLY? Qanon, closes the National Butter Fly Center? That’s what you’re going with, keeping that Blue anon dream alive huh? :har::har::har::har:

I’m inclined to think it has more to do with the U.S. Government, eminent domain, land acquisition and the Centers proximity to illegal immigration. Though stopped the plans to build the wall through those lands still exist I also read Border Patrol is going to light that place up at night. But you keep looking for those q-anon I keep hearing there everywhere, incognito I’m sure.

[Buddahaid]

You obviously have an ass hole like everyone else.

"The move comes after an emergency three-day closure over the weekend, sparked by a nearby rally over border security called We Stand America.

One week before the rally, two women showed up demanding to "see the rafts with the illegal crossing", the centre said in a statement last week.

They said that one person struck National Butterfly Centre executive director Marianna Trevino Wright and nearly ran over her son with their vehicle.

The person, who they identify as a political candidate in Virginia, can be heard claiming that the centre permits child rape, according to audio of the encounter provided to reporters.

The decision to close was made after a local Republican official warned her that the weekend event would feature a motor convoy, known as a "Trump train", that would probably stop at the centre."

[Skybird]

Threatening. Intimidation. Violence.

Fascism. Germany. 1930s.

Trump. USA. 2020s.

Threatening. Intimidation. Violence.


The names change. The patterns stay the same.

:down:
If somebody still wonders how a great cultural nation like Germany could have derailed so terribly 90 years ago, just look at the USA today, there you see the Why in action.

[Rockstar]

Not only does it seem eminent domain land acquisition, wall plans and close proximity to illegal border crossings, legal battles took its toll. Butterfly center is a private organization and relies on private donations. So I’ll add lockdowns, loss of business, personal income, inflation etc etc probably nailed the coffin shut.

But if you all want to go down the conspiracy theory road of fascism, Trump, q-anon, and right wing extremism have fun :roll:

[MaDef]

That BBC story is long on innuendo, and short on verifiable facts.

[Buddahaid]

Not only does it seem eminent domain land acquisition, wall plans and close proximity to illegal border crossings, legal battles took its toll. Butterfly center is a private organization and relies on private donations. So I’ll add lockdowns, loss of business, personal income, inflation etc etc probably nailed the coffin shut.

But if you all want to go down the conspiracy theory road of fascism, Trump, q-anon, and right wing extremism have fun :roll:

Of course they did, but the wall is not there.

And yes, it is just reporting that needs to be fact checked, but I have no trouble believing it is basically factual.

And as far as the closure goes, don't cops justify discharging their firearms by stating they felt threatened even when it turns out there was no threat at the time? Who gets to rate how much somebody should feel threatened before acting?

[Rockstar]

It’s right up there with the AP headline of how Russia is weaponizing cuddly puppies.


Can’t wait for the congressional inquiry to begin. They’ll get to the bottom of this caper! Any day now, tic toc tic toc, low hanging fruit and all that jazz.

[u crank]

What Was Chuck Schumer Thinking?

I think Senate Democrats must still be digesting the absolutely bizarre signed, written arrangement Schumer reached with Manchin back on July 28 — which laid out detailed if (sort of) nonbinding terms for Manchin’s engagement with the Democrats’ social-spending bill that both senators then kept secret from most other Senate Democrats for two months. I can’t think of a more imprudent and downright strange move by a party leader in the modern Congress.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/what-was-chuck-schumer-thinking/

CNN’s Edward-Isaac Dovere and Manu Raju report that the agreement was even more secret than it seemed:

The Senate majority leader, though, didn’t tell House Speaker Nancy Pelosi about the document, who later made clear that she felt blindsided. As has never been previously disclosed, Schumer also didn’t tell President Joe Biden or top White House aides. They didn’t find out until after months of work and drama trying to get a $3.5 trillion bill written even though Manchin told Schumer his limit was $1.5 trillion.

Looking back, many involved in the negotiations wonder if that was one of the fatal flaws that now leaves them without the President’s signature legislation and headed into midterms with a narrative of dysfunction

So Chuck Schumer may turn out to be personally responsible for the collapse of the Democrats’ agenda to a degree we’ve never really seen in a leader in the modern Congress. And it’s hard to see what he was even trying to achieve by doing what he did. Just bizarre.

[Buddahaid]

Guess who next gets to be labeled a RINO?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60266121

[MaDef]

What Was Chuck Schumer Thinking?



https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/what-was-chuck-schumer-thinking/

LOL, The powers that be in this Administration are looking for a scapegoat to explain their failure to pass Biden's bill. Senator Manchin was quite clear and steadfast in his opposition of that bill. His reasons were also public knowledge months before the "final vote" on the bill. It was up to Biden to compromise if He wanted that bill to pass.

[em2nought]

I still haven't even bothered to find out what this QAnon thing is. I guess I should as I'm probably viewed as a member, or the FBI has me on it's rolls as a member or some such. I do kind of like the headdress though. :up:



I'm probably listed on the new enemies list as being part of some militia for fat guys too. :har:

[Jeff-Groves]

I know I'm on 1 list and probably MANY more!
I was looked into back when the 'Beltway Snipers' were active.

[August]

It’s right up there with the AP headline of how Russia is weaponizing cuddly puppies.


Can’t wait for the congressional inquiry to begin. They’ll get to the bottom of this caper! Any day now, tic toc tic toc, low hanging fruit and all that jazz.
:):up:

[August]

Guess who next gets to be labeled a RINO?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60266121

Except that Pence was a known RINO before Trump even brought him on as Veep. It's only now that the left is trying to raise a stink over it because they think it will exacerbate division within the republican party to match the train wreck of authoritarian minded karens that the democrats have become. Back when he was still in office such a term applied to Pence would have been rejected by the very jerks that are trying to make a big deal about it now.

Unfortunately for them it not going to have much effect. Most of the GoP old guard departed back in '20 along with Pence and have been replaced already and the GoP base is not going to tolerate their return to party power.

Of course you know that in reality Trump never asked Pence to overthrow the constitution, but rather send the electors back to the states for recertification of the results. At most it was a delaying tactic that Pence quite correctly did not pursue as without a willingness by the states to actually investigate claims of fraud, which they obviously were not, would not have changed the outcome of the election anyways.

[Catfish]

But it is Trump who now calls for Pence to be accused. And while the "democrats" probably profit from the outcome it was not them who now started this "stink". I mean you cannot blame all of the Donald's lies and BS on the democrats?

[August]

But it is Trump who now calls for Pence to be accused.


So?

[Arlo]

So?

Where were you on January 6? :hmmm:

[MaDef]

Where were you on January 6? :hmmm:

I was at work.

[Arlo]

I was at work.

Wasn't asking you. :)

[Rockstar]

Speaking of responsibility for one’s speech. Is the Democrat Party and Democrats inciting domestic terrorism? They cry about responsibility for one’s speech oh my how they cry and accuse others.

But let’s take a look at their hypocrisy. On February 3rd 2022 It was said 'They can control our labor. They can control massive markets that they dictate and can capture governments,' And they can essentially have power over the many. And to me that is not a redeemable system for us to be able to participate in for the prosperity and peace for the vast majority of people.' U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democrat) says capitalism does not benefit the vast majority of Americans and is a system run by a wealthy minority.

Now this sounds a little like she is talking about what has been defined in Biden’s National Strategy for Countering Domestic Terrorism as ‘anti-capitalism ideology’. Her own words and prominence as a leader could very well incite left wing terror groups to violence. You know like Antifa?

[mapuc]

Have a question to my fellow American friends.

Trump was mad on Pence for not refusing to approve the election on Jan-6.

But does the Vice President have this power to make an election invalid ?

Markus

[Skybird]

The answer you can expect, mapuc, depends on whether you ask a Trump-fan or Trump-opponent. And Trump-fans by overwhelming majority think the election was stolen from them, Trump can walk on water, and the Democratic party runs a pedophilia centre in a New York restaurant's backyard.

[u crank]

But does the Vice President have this power to make an election invalid ?


No he cannot Markus.

[Buddahaid]

Speaking of responsibility for one’s speech. Is the Democrat Party and Democrats inciting domestic terrorism? They cry about responsibility for one’s speech oh my how they cry and accuse others.

But let’s take a look at their hypocrisy. On February 3rd 2022 It was said 'They can control our labor. They can control massive markets that they dictate and can capture governments,' And they can essentially have power over the many. And to me that is not a redeemable system for us to be able to participate in for the prosperity and peace for the vast majority of people.' U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democrat) says capitalism does not benefit the vast majority of Americans and is a system run by a wealthy minority.

Now this sounds a little like she is talking about what has been defined in Biden’s National Strategy for Countering Domestic Terrorism as ‘anti-capitalism ideology’. Her own words and prominence as a leader could very well incite left wing terror groups to violence. You know like Antifa?

What source are you quoting? I imagine what is being referred to is the income inequality that continues to grow wider since the 1970s.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/a-guide-to-statistics-on-historical-trends-in-income-inequality

[Rockstar]

What source are you quoting? I imagine what is being referred to is the income inequality that continues to grow wider since the 1970s.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/a-guide-to-statistics-on-historical-trends-in-income-inequality

Nice distraction, but read it again I’m not talking about income inequality. My point was the FACT Biden’s National Strategy for Countering Domestic Terrorism clearly states anti-capitalism ideology that leads to violence is a form of domestic terrorism. If the SOURCE which I stated above who happens to be a Democrat and U.S. Representative named Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Says capitalism does not benefit the vast majority of Americans and is a system run by a wealthy minority and not a redeemable system for us. Are such statements considered irresponsible since they may be used and lead to a violent reaction by some left wing domestic terror groups. Shouldn’t she be silenced, ostracized, mocked, investigated, and removed from office for such an ideology which could incite others to violence?

[Buddahaid]

Maybe you aren't but your quote is and what source did you copy?

[Arlo]

Those that are anti-anti-fascist are inherently pro-fascist (who have proven to be the real domestic terrorists). :shucks:

https://youtu.be/pnbctP-Cco8

[Rockstar]

Maybe you aren't but your quote is and what source did you copy?

I told you twice already now here’s a third time the source is one Democrat U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. Or were you hoping I would link to some right wing news organization to talk about instead?

Here, the source. Straight from her own mouth which I quoted above.

https://youtu.be/4m705HMNYoA

[Buddahaid]

Thank you for posting the source of the quote and not who you attribute it to.

[Rockstar]

I don’t attribute the words I quoted to anyone other than AOC. Not yahoo, not FOX, not CNN, not ANTIFA. Just Alexandria Ocasio Cortez they are her words. I was simply trying my best to not allow the subject to be hijacked by strawman arguements over a reporting sources.

Now back to the original question?

The National Strategy for Countering Domestic Terrorism clearly states anti-capitalism ideology that leads to violence is a form of domestic terrorism. If the SOURCE which I stated above who happens to be a Democrat and U.S. Representative named Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Says capitalism does not benefit the vast majority of Americans and is a system run by a wealthy minority and not a redeemable system for us. Are such statements which could easily be viewed as ‘anti-capitalist considered irresponsible since they may be used and lead to a violent reaction by some left wing domestic terror groups. Shouldn’t she be silenced, ostracized, mocked, investigated, and removed from office for such an ideology which could incite others to violence?

[Buddahaid]

Now I can put in context.

https://youtu.be/4m705HMNYoA?t=570 (https://youtu.be/4m705HMNYoA?t=569)

[Rockstar]

Please do, it would be a pleasant change to see happen here or anywhere on the internet. :yeah:

[Buddahaid]

Please do, it would be a pleasant change to see happen here or anywhere on the internet. :yeah:

I tried to get the video to start at the timestamp where the conversation in question starts. She begins by defining Capitalism as the pursuit of profit at all all human and environmental cost and it's in that context she makes the statements you quoted. In effect, corporations have too much power currently.

[Rockstar]

While classifications, or categories, help the FBI better understand the criminal actors we pursue, we recognize actors’ motivations vary, are nuanced, and sometimes are derived from a blend of socio-political goals or personal grievances. Currently, the US Government broadly divides the DT threat among the following threat categories:

• Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremism: This threat encompasses the potentially unlawful use or threat of force or violence in furtherance of ideological agendas derived from bias, often related to race or ethnicity, held by the actor against others or a given population group. RMVEs purport to use both political and religious justifications to support their racially- or ethnically-based ideological objectives and criminal activities.

• Anti-Government or Anti-Authority Violent Extremism: This threat encompasses the potentially unlawful use or threat of force or violence in furtherance of ideological agendas, derived from anti-government or anti-authority sentiment, including opposition to perceived economic, social, or racial hierarchies, or perceived government overreach, negligence, or illegitimacy. This threat category includes the subcategories of SCVEs, MVEs, AVEs, and Puerto Rican National Violent Extremists.

Considering the current atmosphere. Shouldn’t she be investigated, silenced, ostracized and removed from office because her words have the potential to incite violence against capitalism? She is in a position of power and I told with that comes increased responsibility for the words she speaks.

[Buddahaid]

Considering the current atmosphere. Shouldn’t she be investigated, silenced, ostracized and removed from office because her words have the potential to incite violence against capitalism? She is in a position of power and I told with that comes increased responsibility for the words she speaks.

Why would you think so?

[Rockstar]

Why would you think so?

Your question leads us right back to where I started, the original question.

The National Strategy for Countering Domestic Terrorism clearly states anti-capitalism ideology that leads to violence is a form of domestic terrorism. If the SOURCE which I stated above who happens to be a Democrat and U.S. Representative named Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Says capitalism does not benefit the vast majority of Americans and is a system run by a wealthy minority and not a redeemable system for us. Are such statements which could easily be viewed as anti-capitalist and considered irresponsible. Since they may be used and lead to a violent reaction by some left wing domestic terror groups. Shouldn’t she be silenced, ostracized, mocked, investigated, and removed from office for such an ideology which could incite others to violence?

[Dowly]

No.

[Buddahaid]

I think you are making a leap. I don't get the idea she is anti-capitalist but stating it has to much power currently over everyone's lives.

[Jeff-Groves]

She's just pissed that she has a Net worth of $200,000 and only earns a paltry $174,000 a year.

[Buddahaid]

She's just pissed that she has a Net worth of $200,000 and only earns a paltry $174,000 a year.

Funny. I was taught in school it was of the people, by the people, and for the people, not of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich.

[Jeff-Groves]

Semantics.
:haha:
Show me a Poor person that went into Politics at that level and didn't come out rich!

[Arlo]

Funny. I was taught in school it was of the people, by the people, and for the people, not of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich.

They hateses the AOC with all their dark heartses ... even though they serves a cruel master that eatses their souls. Nothing is more pitiful than a 'temporarily impoverished millionaire.' :shucks:

https://i.blogs.es/e2db40/gollum-the-hobbit/450_1000.jpeg

[Jeff-Groves]

Let's not forget She has about $6,235,607 in funds for re-election.
So yeah. The Rich get Richer.

[Buddahaid]

She's just pissed that she has a Net worth of $200,000 and only earns a paltry $174,000 a year.

You seem to be confusing personal wealth and campaign finances like some politicians do.

[Arlo]

Projection can get so desperate at times.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/EwzEoiEXIAY_yCi.jpg

[Jeff-Groves]

You seem to be confusing personal wealth and campaign finances like some politicians do.

You work so hard to try and obfuscate stuff.
Politician in the makings!
:har:

[Arlo]

Seemed rather straightforward. Guess that explains the confusion. :shucks:

[Catfish]

[...] Nothing is more pitiful than a 'temporarily impoverished millionaire.' :shucks: [...]
:haha::up:
All the poor in capitalist systems are only temporarily impoverished, they sure will be millionaires tomorrow. Making believe them this works since centuries, for the few rich.

[Arlo]

When a poor man (or woman) who has never known wealth gets mad at either other poor people for being poor or those attempting to help the poor for not being too poor to help then you should probably suspect that they've been sold a bill of goods they couldn't afford. :shucks:

[Jeff-Groves]

You'll never convince me a Politician has not Sold their Soul when they take Campaign Contributions and end up Freaking Rich!

Now 'Rich' may mean different things to people.

I'd jack off homeless Guys if it paid $174,000 a year!
:har:

[Arlo]

I'd jack off homeless Guys if it paid $174,000 a year!
:har:

The odds of that job opening are rather slim but don't give up hope. :shucks:

[Jeff-Groves]

"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.”

We HAVE NOT reached that point given the inequity between the Politicians and the People they CLAIM to serve.

[Arlo]

Stopping short at the politicians when it comes to inequality, I see. Revealing. :shucks:

[Jeff-Groves]

Well. I wanted to keep it somewhat simple for Buddahaid to try to rebut.:shucks:

[Arlo]

Actually, you seem to be using false narrative in your 'points' by avoiding the obvious. Try asking the right questions and you'll see more opportunity for realistic answers. For instance: who has the most financial clout to buy politicians and what politicians are the richest on the hill, as a result? Trying to twist it to dodge reality tends to backfire.

You can hate AOC all you want but don't try selling everyone the bad bill of goods and expect others to have faith in your 'product.' Campaign funds from average Joes that support her efforts and dark money finance (like McConnell receives) are false equivalencies. :shucks:

[Jeff-Groves]

I have no opinion of her to be honest. She's just a convenient example.
Hell. I don't even pay attention to Who is controlling the Hearts and Minds of the people.

I'll be dirt napping long before it all comes to a head anyway.
:O:

[Arlo]

She was one of the most inconvenient examples you could have used, especially with more obvious ones glaringly available. Just sayin'. :shucks:

[Jeff-Groves]

Yeah but they had all kinds of Videos posted about her.
Just trying to keep it relevant to those.
Sorry to inconvenience you.

[Arlo]

They? It's not so much that you're 'inconveniencing' me as you are trying to convenience 'they.' :shucks:

[Buddahaid]

Well. I wanted to keep it somewhat simple for Buddahaid to try to rebut.:shucks:

I saw that! :arrgh!:

What I fail to see is why support the erosion of a middle class for one larger lower class and the one percent overlords? Their wealth has grown dramatically in comparison over the past several decades at your expense.

[em2nought]

I saw that! :arrgh!:

What I fail to see is why support the erosion of a middle class for one larger lower class and the one percent overlords? Their wealth has grown dramatically in comparison over the past several decades at your expense.


The shrinking of the middle class is mostly the responsibility of said middle class. People whose parents were middle class have chosen not to embrace the ideals that moved their parents into the middle class. You wouldn't have seen any of those old school guys standing in line at Starbucks for example. Most of the fault lies in ourselves no matter what most Europeans here will tell you. :D

[Arlo]

The shrinking of the middle class is mostly the responsibility of said middle class. People whose parents were middle class have chosen not to embrace the ideals that moved their parents into the middle class. You wouldn't have seen any of those old school guys standing in line at Starbucks for example. Most of the fault lies in ourselves no matter what most Europeans here will tell you. :D

While I would like to agree with your sentiment, I'm not sure I can (unless by 'old school' you mean the original Boston Tea Party revolt). Since we've thrown off the yoke of King George the populace of the U.S. has shown to be very easy to brainwash through commercial manipulation and when technology allowed for mass appeal (radio, television, the internet) it became that on steroids. So I don't lay all the blame on the middle class (or the masses) and I feel the greater portion of it involves the greed of those already possessing power and wealth in making 'the almighty dollar' at any expense (and that expense is paid by the consumer). Even our greatest generation found itself falling prey (with individual resistance being the rare exception). The same can be said of political manipulation.

Only when it has recently hit epic proportions (people going into medical bankruptcy, CEOs being paid hundreds of times what their employees make, wages stagnating for decades) have you seen the proverbial 'call to arms.' Even then the working class is split regarding opinion of who or what is to blame. It's a bizarre form or manipulation, I'll grant you that, but it is psychological manipulation, none-the-less :shucks:

[Buddahaid]

From Duke University.
https://today.duke.edu/2019/01/road-trump-began-reaganomics-loss-middle-class-economist-says

[Arlo]

From Duke University.
https://today.duke.edu/2019/01/road-trump-began-reaganomics-loss-middle-class-economist-says

Spot on, sadly.

[Rockstar]

The thing with stories such as those above. Presidents in reality have very little control over the economy. It’s the U.S. Congress which determines fiscal policies and the FED answers only to Congress. Presidents do not dictate economic policy but they can work to add their ideas to the bill. Hell, Congress if they want can even force a bill through without a presidents signature. But then that would put the spot light on Congress and they know Presidents make great scapegoats.

[Gorpet]

While I would like to agree with your sentiment, I'm not sure I can (unless by 'old school' you mean the original Boston Tea Party revolt). Since we've thrown off the yoke of King George the populace of the U.S. has shown to be very easy to brainwash through commercial manipulation and when technology allowed for mass appeal (radio, television, the internet) it became that on steroids. So I don't lay all the blame on the middle class (or the masses) and I feel the greater portion of it involves the greed of those already possessing power and wealth in making 'the almighty dollar' at any expense (and that expense is paid by the consumer). Even our greatest generation found itself falling prey (with individual resistance being the rare exception). The same can be said of political manipulation.

Only when it has recently hit epic proportions (people going into medical bankruptcy, CEOs being paid hundreds of times what their employees make, wages stagnating for decades) have you seen the proverbial 'call to arms.' Even then the working class is split regarding opinion of who or what is to blame. It's a bizarre form or manipulation, I'll grant you that, but it is psychological manipulation, none-the-less :shucks:

Well we have something we agree upon,psychological manipulation and only those of us who know and understand can see where this will benefit mankind in the Year 2525 if we are the the ones that rule and no one can contest.Ya that's an old song.Psychological manipulation is the Future.And for all mankind we must
build back better.And to do this we must follow our Politicians after all they are smarter and more educated than the people who keeps their A/c Plumbing and the Electrical working.And the Carpenters all the people who make those who have Privilege Lives so comfortable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKQfxi8V5FA

[Rockstar]

Rationally, Putin has zero reason to attack Ukraine. Especially when he can without much work just keep it the unstable, corrupt, crap hole it already is.

On the other hand some have every reason to gin up a war. It’s what leaders do when they founder and “lose credibility”. Get ready, it’s not a matter of if but how much the FED is going to start raising rates to combat inflation and there’s not going to be a “soft landing”.

But rest assured your the representatives you keep voting in and who the FED answers to will be rich.

[Rockstar]

Democrats and inclusion. Even if you’re a pedophile?

https://youtu.be/X2QJPZV4i6k

[August]

:haha::up:
All the poor in capitalist systems are only temporarily impoverished, they sure will be millionaires tomorrow. Making believe them this works since centuries, for the few rich.


We've had quite a few self made millionaires in this country over the centuries. For all it's warts Capitalism is the only economic system ever created by man that allows the poor even a chance to become rich.

[Commander Wallace]

We've had quite a few self made millionaires in this country over the centuries. For all it's warts Capitalism is the only economic system ever created by man that allows the poor even a chance to become rich.

There have been many that have dropped out of college to create and develop their own business models. These self starters have become millionaire and billionaires in a relatively short amount of time. Elon Musk springs to mind.

These self starters when asked, have all said they found college too confining in pushing outdated theories and practices being taught in many cases by party hacks. Some of these professors have never worked professionally in their fields and essentially hide out in the colleges teaching and espousing principals that have in many cases been superseded by better and more cost effective means.

This isn't all that common though, in my experiences. It may be in other peoples experiences, though. In my case, I lucked out in college as my professors were well known in their respective fields of expertise and they kept up with the times. :yep:

[Buddahaid]

We've had quite a few self made millionaires in this country over the centuries. For all it's warts Capitalism is the only economic system ever created by man that allows the poor even a chance to become rich.

I can't find an argument against that. I was thinking Erik the Red, but even exiled like his father, he still had slaves and could muster a fleet to quest for Greenland and settlement.

[Dowly]

Just adding this to the pile:

Trump took classified material from White House to Florida, National Archives says

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-took-classified-material-white-house-florida-national-archives-says-2022-02-18/

Former President Donald Trump took classified information to his Florida home after leaving the White House, the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration said in a letter to Congress on Friday about the 15 boxes of documents it recently recovered.
Also, from the same article:
The letter from Ferriero also said that some White House staff conducted official business using nonofficial electronic messaging accounts that were not copied or forwarded into official electronic messaging accounts and that it was in the process of obtaining some of those missing records.But her emails, right?

[Gorpet]

Democrats and inclusion. Even if you’re a pedophile?

https://youtu.be/X2QJPZV4i6k

Was this produced and released from Martha's Vineyard Ma. ?

The bastion of the old Roman ways of life. And did Epstein recreate an Island many miles from true Power and Debauchery. How many young teenagers bones lie at the bottom of the sea around these islands because they believed for one night or a week they would walk among gods.

[Gorpet]

I can't find an argument against that. I was thinking Erik the Red, but even exiled like his father, he still had slaves and could muster a fleet to quest for Greenland and settlement.

Ya know if Erik didn't have those slaves he certainly would never been known.And he certainly would not have left for the quest for Greenland .But who rounded up and sold the slaves to Erik ? We have to find out who they were and give them credit to. Otherwise there would be no History. Why is it that no country or historians want to give credit to the people that had to go out and capture those humans that would become slaves.And leave such a scar on humanity.

If you want to really know history, The world has to know who the Hunters were that provided the slaves. And if people hunted down their own people and sold them as slaves don't you think the world should know that to? Don't you agree? that's something no one wants to talk about.:up:

[Gorpet]

Just adding this to the pile:

Trump took classified material from White House to Florida, National Archives says

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-took-classified-material-white-house-florida-national-archives-says-2022-02-18/


Also, from the same article:
But her emails, right?

Dowly, It will not be long less than 4 years,And Finland will have to make a choice again.This is Joe and the Democrats and we shall see were Finland stands.And Donald Trump will not be in your mind when your country has to make that decision. War or no war.

[August]

I can't find an argument against that. I was thinking Erik the Red, but even exiled like his father, he still had slaves and could muster a fleet to quest for Greenland and settlement.


Yeah not many rags to riches stories out of antiquity I guess.

[Dowly]

There are quite a few rags to riches stories from antiquity, and those are just the ones where the person has become noteworthy enough to be remembered in writing. :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/5U6Z7nCborE

[Catfish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w2dMekIJLw

[Jimbuna]

:haha:

[August]

It's taken five years for the truth to come out. I wonder how long it'll take for the truth about the 2020 election to be exposed.


Connecting the dots between Russiagate and Hillary
Thanks to John Durham, we now know there was a plot against Trump — and it runs deep

February 22, 2022 | 10:27 pm

Let’s connect the dots between John Durham, Russiagate, the FBI, and Hillary Clinton. They strongly suggest the Clinton campaign ran a sophisticated, multi-prong coordinated intelligence operation against Trump with either the active or tacit support of the FBI.

In the case of prong one, the dossier, the Clinton campaign hired MI6 intelligence officer Christopher Steele. The hiring was through its law firm, Perkins Coie, which hired Fusion GPS, which hired Steele to hide the funding source. The use of the law firm as a cutout allowed Hillary to deny that she’d funded the dossier, and the media to claim for a year or more that it was actually the Republicans themselves who paid for it. This also set up the distracting he said/she said cover that Clinton would use throughout the operation.

Once they had hired Steele, the Clinton campaign itself fed lies to Steele. Steele used credibility to hide the non-credibility of his pushed sources. They were taken seriously only because Steele was taken seriously, albeit only because he was paid by Clinton to do so. You could not achieve much putting a thug like Igor Danchenko on CNN. This is known as embellishing your sources.

Here are some of Steele’s sources and connections. See if they connect any dots: one of Steele’s key sources is Igor Danchenko, now indicted by Durham. Steele was introduced to Danchenko by Fiona Hill. Hill would go on to play a key role driving the Ukraine-related impeachment of Donald Trump.

When Danchenko did not make up stuff himself, he was spoon-fed lies by Charles Dolan, a long-time Clinton hack (it was Fiona Hill who introduced Dolan to Danchenko). Dolan had close ties not only to the Clintons but to the Russians as well; he did PR work for the Russian government and was registered as a foreign agent for Russia.

Dolan also fed bogus info to Olga Galkina, another Russian who fed info to Danchenko for inclusion in the dossier. Galkina expected Dolan to get her a job in the Hillary administration.

Steele then took his dossier down two tracks. He used his role as a former FBI informant to push the info deep into the Bureau to help trigger the Crossfire Hurricane investigation which would ultimately feed the Mueller Report. When cracks in Steele’s dossier appeared early on, they were taken care of.

For example, one of the Trump staffers Steele accused of being a Russian agent, Carter Page, was actually a CIA agent. Yet when the FBI sought a FISA warrant, the Bureau deleted his association with CIA from the application. Special Counsel Robert Durham prosecuted the man who did that, Kevin Clinesmith, who was found guilty, albeit years after the warrant was issued.

Steele was worth his weight in gold to Clinton: he got the FBI to launch a full-spectrum investigation that included eavesdropping, use of a honey pot dangle, and foreign agents, all of which led to three years of Mueller.

Steele’s second track was the media. Steele set himself up as a source to compliant press outlets about the dossier without revealing to them that he was the author of the dossier. This information loop made it appear that a second entity was confirming the contents of the dossier, when in fact it was Steele surreptitiously confirming himself.

It’s an old spy trick, becoming your own corroborating source. In intelligence work, for the receiver of information, this is known as cross-contamination, an amateur error the FBI seemed okay with. The scam also generated cover for all the politicians and intelligence operatives. They could go to their bosses and say the New York Times had found a source that confirms what they’d been hearing from Steele.

Every element of the dossier job is present in prong two of the broader operation, Clinton’s electronic spying on Trump. As with the dossier, it begins with the statement that Trump is connected to Russia and the job is to create something plausible enough to “confirm” that connection. A cutout was again used to fund things, in this case Clinton lawyer Michael Sussmann and again the firm Perkins Coie.

Sussmann, with the lure of a big job in the Hillary administration, recruited Rodney Jaffe, a tech guy whose company Neustar obtained a contract with the Obama administration to provide DNS servers to the White House. That got the whole op inside the Executive Office. Joffe also had connections deep into the DNS research community, and used them to gain access to DNS data from Trump Tower and other properties (see what you can do with DNS data).

Though the DNS data results were no more credible than the dossier, Sussmann follows Steele’s playbook. Sussmann first takes his story, as an anonymous source, to the New York Times in late August 2016. He then goes to the FBI and CIA on September 16, 2016, misrepresents himself as not working for the Clinton campaign (he is currently under Durham indictment for that) and pitches them the same story that Trump and the Russian Alfa Bank have set up some sort of backdoor communications. Sussmann later adds another unproven tale, that Russian smartphones were connecting regularly with the White House.

The Alfa story then made the press in October 2016 when Slate wrote that an anonymous “benevolent posse of computer scientists spurred by a sense of shared idealism” had discovered data showing secret communications between Trump and Alfa. Even after the FBI had largely abandoned the investigation as fruitless, in October 2018, the New Yorker revived it, attributing the story to anonymous “self-appointed guardians of the Internet.”

The source for the latter article was Joffe, who did not disclose that he was working with Sussmann, who was working with Fusion GPS, who was working for Clinton. That no Alfa connection was ever found is irrelevant; the story that Trump was running with the Russians was headlines for months. Despite knowing it was not true as the ultimate source of the false info, Hillary herself pushed it.

There will be more. But what is clear even at this point is that the Clinton campaign used textbook modern espionage techniques to build a wholly false narrative about Trump and the Russians. It deployed this campaign against Trump the candidate and still got beaten. Clinton then kept it alive, in part with the FBI and Crossfire Hurricane as a proxy, even after Trump took office. Was that simple vengeance? Or part of some even more elaborate campaign to somehow end with Hillary in the Oval Office?

We also know the FBI was likely either in on the conspiracy or at best a willful idiot alongside it. Signs that the dossier was garbage appeared early, and even the slightest investigative efforts by the FBI would have revealed how weak Steele’s sources and methods were, and that Steele was being paid by Clinton. Indeed, when the FBI found one crack, that Carter Page was an American CIA agent, they simply covered it up.

The same with Sussmann and his DNS data. It would have been obvious that White House DNS data could have only come from inside the White House, yet there are no signs the FBI questioned how Sussmann, supposedly a private citizen, came to possess it. And was the FBI really unable to determine that Sussmann was paid by Clinton? It is chilling to remember that FBI agents and illicit lovers Peter Strzok and Lisa Page exchanged texts: “Page: ‘Trump’s not ever going to become president, right?’ Strzok: ‘No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it.’”

“The fact pattern that John Durham is methodically establishing shows what James Comey and Andrew McCabe likely knew from day one, that the Steele dossier was politically-driven nonsense created at the behest of the Clinton campaign,” said Kevin Brock, the FBI’s former intelligence chief. “And yet they knowingly ran with its false information.”

We may now know why Robert Mueller walked so close to the edge of indictment and backed off. If his indictments failed under court scrutiny, the conspiracy would have been exposed. Beyond Clinton and Trump, Mueller was protecting someone in his beloved FBI. This goes deep.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/connecting-dots-russiagate-hillary-clinton/

[mapuc]

^ What you see as the truth, someone else may see as a lie a conspiracy.

Markus

[August]

^ What you see as the truth, someone else may see as a lie a conspiracy.

Markus

So these anonymous doubters aside Markus, do YOU believe the article to be a lie or a conspiracy?

Because you know "someone else" might be living in a fantasy land of make believe where there are cigarette trees and lemonade springs on a big rock candy mountain, but even they aren't going to be able to ignore Durham for much longer as the indictments keep rolling out. :)

[mapuc]

So these anonymous doubters aside Markus, do YOU believe the article to be a lie or a conspiracy?

Because you know "someone else" might be living in a fantasy land of make believe where there are cigarette trees and lemonade springs on a big rock candy mountain, but even they aren't going to be able to ignore Durham for much longer as the indictments keep rolling out. :)

Dave I can't say if it's the truth or not-I haven't been following US-politics that closely as I should.

It was your comment "It's taken five years for the truth to come out...." Which made me post my comment about what one see as the truth an another may see as a lie not so trustworthy.

Heck There are those here in Denmark who fully believe that the Ukrainian crisis is a made-up story a conspiracy created by our elected politicians and supported by our press.

I fully respect your standpoint as I fully respect others in this US-Politics thread.

Markus

[August]

It was your comment "It's taken five years for the truth to come out...."

But it has taken that long Markus. Scroll back through this thread over the past half decade and read the comments. Many people here and elsewhere both in and out of government have been claiming for the past five years that it was practically indisputable that Trump was a paid Russian agent.

Now that the flip side of the coin is finally being shown their silence is deafening but these same people have now gone on to proclaim their vast expertise on Putins intentions in Ukraine. :nope:

[Rockstar]

I bet Biden is sweating bullets. If Russia does invade Ukraine in its entirety they’re very likely to come across every shred of intel concerning his and his sons dealings with Zelensky and Burisma. :haha:

[Rockstar]

OUCH. Democrats aren’t the lessor of two evils. They are the most effective evil.

https://youtu.be/ivROLiLmnro

[em2nought]

Feels like John Durham will be meeting an untimely demise very soon. Hillary might have to hire Jussie's two Nigerians since her free to loot Haitian charity money has dried up a bit. :D

[August]

Feels like John Durham will be meeting an untimely demise very soon. Hillary might have to hire Jussie's two Nigerians since her free to loot Haitian charity money has dried up a bit. :D

:har:

[clayton]

Feels like John Durham will be meeting an untimely demise very soon. Hillary might have to hire Jussie's two Nigerians since her free to loot Haitian charity money has dried up a bit. :D
Do you think so? I believe that sycophant has nothing to fear because he has nothing. Trumpian noise.

[August]

Do you think so? I believe that sycophant has nothing to fear because he has nothing. Trumpian noise.

Durham a sycophant, Really? How did you arrive at such a stunning revelation?

Personally I'd think an actual Trump follower would have done a lot more before the election when it really mattered. Durham could have made a few well timed statements, dropped some innuendos, that could well have kept the Donald in office. Don't you recall Trumps repeated pubic beseeching for Durham do do just that? Yet all he got was silence. Not very sycophantic to me. And don't count on Durham having nothing. There are more shoes to be dropped.

[Cybermat47]

Putin has single-handedly united the American far left and right!

Edgy teenage American communists are worshipping Putin for leading the revolution (because literally anyone who opposes the US, including the Taliban, is apparently communist), while Tucker Carlson and his ilk are praising Putin because Biden is criticising him, and their entire personality is based on doing the opposite of what Democrats do.

[Onkel Neal]

Putin has single-handedly united the American far left and right!

Edgy teenage American communists are worshipping Putin for leading the revolution (because literally anyone who opposes the US, including the Taliban, is apparently communist), while Tucker Carlson and his ilk are praising Putin because Biden is criticising him, and their entire personality is based on doing the opposite of what Democrats do.

Sad but true. This is seriously screwed up. People need to stop taking in propaganda and start thinking for themselves. How do you know if you are not? If you agree with everything some talking head on Fox news or CNN says, then you have a problem. It's not normal to agree with everything someone else says.

Plus, if your contribution to a conversation mirrors something a talking head says, then yeah, you are just parroting what you've heard.

[u crank]

People need to stop taking in propaganda and start thinking for themselves. How do you know if you are not? If you agree with everything some talking head on Fox news or CNN says, then you have a problem. It's not normal to agree with everything someone else says.


That my friend is what you call words of wisdom. :up:

[clayton]

Durham a sycophant, Really? How did you arrive at such a stunning revelation?

Personally I'd think an actual Trump follower would have done a lot more before the election when it really mattered. Durham could have made a few well timed statements, dropped some innuendos, that could well have kept the Donald in office. Don't you recall Trumps repeated pubic beseeching for Durham do do just that? Yet all he got was silence. Not very sycophantic to me. And don't count on Durham having nothing. There are more shoes to be dropped.
Trump’s going to jail. Don't ever forget that. That SOB tried to go tyrant like his buddy Putin, but it wasn't enough, because he’s a failure—he attempted a coup and failed and that's because he’s a clown.

[u crank]

Trump’s going to jail. Don't ever forget that. That SOB tried to go tyrant like his buddy Putin, but it wasn't enough, because he’s a failure—he attempted a coup and failed and that's because he’s a clown.

:haha:

See post #3183.

[mapuc]

Do you still have politics in USA ? I thought it died when former President left the building :D

Markus

[clayton]

:haha:

See post #3183.
TI'm reminding people of Trump’s inevitable fate—never forget!

[em2nought]

Tucker Carlson and his ilk are praising Putin because Biden is criticising him, and their entire personality is based on doing the opposite of what Democrats do.


You could do much worse than having a platform based solely on doing the exact opposite of what democrats do. :D

[u crank]

TI'm reminding people of Trump’s inevitable fate—never forget!

I'm no fan of Trump but I would bet a large sum of money that no ex president is going to jail. Especially for something that he was already impeached for and acquitted. Won't happen. Fact is Hillary is probably in more jeopardy than her former rival. But nothing will happen there either. These people are beyond the law. How do you join this club?:D

[clayton]

I'm no fan of Trump but I would bet a large sum of money that no ex president is going to jail. Especially for something that he was already impeached for and acquitted. Won't happen. Fact is Hillary is probably in more jeopardy than her former rival. But nothing will happen there either. These people are beyond the law. How do you join this club?:D
I’ll take that bet!

[u crank]

I’ll take that bet!

Ok I'm bored so I'll bite. Just what will he be going to jail for? What evidence do you have that makes him guilty and why hasn't he been arrested for this (these) crimes?

[Gorpet]

I bet Biden is sweating bullets. If Russia does invade Ukraine in its entirety they’re very likely to come across every shred of intel concerning his and his sons dealings with Zelensky and Burisma. :haha:

Bingo

[Gorpet]

Rationally, Putin has zero reason to attack Ukraine. Especially when he can without much work just keep it the unstable, corrupt, crap hole it already is.

On the other hand some have every reason to gin up a war. It’s what leaders do when they founder and “lose credibility”. Get ready, it’s not a matter of if but how much the FED is going to start raising rates to combat inflation and there’s not going to be a “soft landing”.

But rest assured your the representatives you keep voting in and who the FED answers to will be rich.
:up:Rockstar, There is no country on this Planet that has the smartest politicians with the highest IQ than our Grandma's and Grandpa's.

[Gorpet]

A poster with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in a bikini riding a top of an American cruise missile heading over the Ukraine skyline towards the golden domes of Moscow? It might stop their young men from running to Poland.

[Onkel Neal]

State of the Union speech, a mumbley mess. Biden has declined further, he called Ukrainian "Iranian", even my closed captions had trouble deciphering him. All the while Pelosi sits behind him with an idiot smile frozen on her aged face.

He vows to fight inflation and then minutes later vaults forward calling for a $15 minimum wage. You can't make this stuff up.

I'm still hoping and praying Trump decides not to run. But I would have to reconsider my pledge not to vote for him if it's between Biden and him again.

Please god, Tom Cotton or Tulsi Gabbard, throw your hat in the ring. :timeout:

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/mN3z3eSVG7A

[les green01]

i hope Trump don't run again Trump shot himself in the foot with what he pull the last time john schneider don't know if he was joking about running or not but i told him i would vote for him

[Onkel Neal]

Joe Biden’s first day as a Walmart greeter.

"Welcome to Target."

[mapuc]

I feel sorry for you American that you don't have better alternative than Biden and perhaps Trump in the next Presidential election.

I know there's also these third candidate. Are they good, better than the two major candidate ?

Markus

[les green01]

I feel sorry for you American that you don't have better alternative than Biden and perhaps Trump in the next Presidential election.

I know there's also these third candidate. Are they good, better than the two major candidate ?

Markus

I don't know Markus most i have seen is too far left or two far right i know john schneider hinted a couple of times about running,my dealings with him he tells it how he sees it he is respectful to other people really is a good ole boy

[Gorpet]

State of the Union speech, a mumbley mess. Biden has declined further, he called Ukrainian "Iranian", even my closed captions had trouble deciphering him. All the while Pelosi sits behind him with an idiot smile frozen on her aged face.

He vows to fight inflation and then minutes later vaults forward calling for a $15 minimum wage. You can't make this stuff up.

I'm still hoping and praying Trump decides not to run. But I would have to reconsider my pledge not to vote for him if it's between Biden and him again.

Please god, Tom Cotton or Tulsi Gabbard, throw your hat in the ring. :timeout:

Let all Americans face the truth: We have a dysfunctional government, and you and i are going to pay the price maybe with our lives.With the divide in our country i guess we will let these maniacs in Washington burn the world for their One World government and their great reset.Ya know not every country on this planet want's their culture destroyed.And what Russia does not want is NATO in Ukraine pointing missiles into the Black Sea. What would the USA do if a World Actor put missiles into a country that could cover the Gulf of Mexico.From Texas to Florida.

[les green01]

Let all Americans face the truth: We have a dysfunctional government, and you and i are going to pay the price maybe with our lives.With the divide in our country i guess we will let these maniacs in Washington burn the world for their One World government and their great reset.Ya know not every country on this planet want's their culture destroyed.And what Russia does not want is NATO in Ukraine pointing missiles into the Black Sea. What would the USA do if a World Actor put missiles into a country that could cover the Gulf of Mexico.From Texas to Florida.

there what 4 countries right up against Ukraine already part of NATO seems like a world actor try putting Missiles on cuba in 1962 but i say this Ukraines not doing nothing i wouldn't do if the US was attack

[Gorpet]

I feel sorry for you American that you don't have better alternative than Biden and perhaps Trump in the next Presidential election.

I know there's also these third candidate. Are they good, better than the two major candidate ?

Markus

Markus,The plan of the leaders and the Richest of America's political parties is to merge and have a one party rule. Look way back when American Politicians found out how the Mafia was structured.They took the whole operation over and expanded it. And now today it does not matter left,right the politicians in America have become the old mafia.
Donald Trump came along and upset their apple cart.They spent 4 years and millions of taxpayer dollars to destroy a man who was not a part of their family.They ranted amongst themselves he has not made his Bones by shaking hands,holding babies having those sweaty potatoes breath in your face while asking stupid insignificant questions.Marcus there will never be a third candidate ever. Ya see Donald Trump was not a part of their mafia family he was just a businessman. Who realized how dysfunctional they were and how in the hell can you not have a budget. If you want your country to prosper. So Markus war is and has been the answer for America and its Allies. And sooner or later you have to meet your equal and if they don't want Western Democracy and all of it's offering's should the west push them to the point of World destruction?

[Gorpet]

there what 4 countries right up against Ukraine already part of NATO seems like a world actor try putting Missiles on cuba in 1962 but i say this Ukraines not doing nothing i wouldn't do if the US was attack

That's right, Russia did not resist. The Black Sea is theirs and they will not have NATO there.Can't you see for years the leaders of the western and european countries used that country to launder monies' back to themselves on the promise that when the time was right Ukraine could join NATO.And get all the milk and honey that all NATO members get. Trade deals, US cash and America will protect you with their nuclear umbrella and you will become a member of a family.Well unfortunately for Ukraine they believed that ****.And now they have been stabbed in the back. All NATO had to do was say to Ukraine we respect the agreement you had with Russia and you can't join NATO. But the The new world order made a promise and now the Ukraine President is calling them on their ****. And now the everyday potatoes are wondering should i pay my rent or take my family on vacation.

[Catfish]

The "Black sea belongs to the russians"? Why, because Putin says so?
Maybe have a look at the map? :doh:

[em2nought]

If Lindsey thinks Putin should be assassinated from within, I wonder what he thinks of incompetent leaders? :D

[Catfish]

If Lindsey thinks Putin should be assassinated from within, I wonder what he thinks of incompetent leaders? :D
:har: will be too late anyway
(and i did misunderstand this with full intent lol )

[Buddahaid]

I found Beau's take on Lindsey's comment hit the mark. That comment will be used by Russian media to help build domestic support for Putin at a time when it is being eroded.

[Jimbuna]

I found Beau's take on Lindsey's comment hit the mark. That comment will be used by Russian media to help build domestic support for Putin at a time when it is being eroded.

Most probably :yep:

[Armistead]

State of the Union speech, a mumbley mess. Biden has declined further, he called Ukrainian "Iranian", even my closed captions had trouble deciphering him. All the while Pelosi sits behind him with an idiot smile frozen on her aged face.

He vows to fight inflation and then minutes later vaults forward calling for a $15 minimum wage. You can't make this stuff up.

I'm still hoping and praying Trump decides not to run. But I would have to reconsider my pledge not to vote for him if it's between Biden and him again.

Please god, Tom Cotton or Tulsi Gabbard, throw your hat in the ring. :timeout:

It's interesting polls say 62% of Americans believe Putin wouldn't have invaded if Trump was president. I think Trump was effective in policy, but he's a narcissist. I don't really have a problem with that, except narcissist are supposed to be smart and great at psychological manipulation and Trump has the ability of a used car salesman. I could tolerate a used car salesman, but not a dumb narcissist.

[August]

I found Beau's take on Lindsey's comment hit the mark. That comment will be used by Russian media to help build domestic support for Putin at a time when it is being eroded.


Or coupled with bounties on Pootlers head might give the Russian people some ideas. He's sending hit squads against Zelensky, the leader of a sovereign foreign nation, so why would his own people taking him out be such a bad thing?

[Buddahaid]

Or coupled with bounties on Pootlers head might give the Russian people some ideas. He's sending hit squads against Zelensky, the leader of a sovereign foreign nation, so why would his own people taking him out be such a bad thing?

I'm not saying it's a bad thing but I'm pretty sure they didn't need Lindsey to point that out.

[mapuc]

Looks like Trump is back on Twitter

https://twitter.com/RealDoJTrump/status/1500495949705232388

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

:Kaleun_Applaud: Here we go again! :D

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t99KH0TR-J4

[MaDef]

Looks like Trump is back on Twitter

https://twitter.com/RealDoJTrump/status/1500495949705232388

Markus

Clickbait, Trump was permanently banned from twitter in Jan 2021, the reason: He hurt too many feelings with his mean tweets. :rolleyes:

[mapuc]

Clickbait, Trump was permanently banned from twitter in Jan 2021, the reason: He hurt too many feelings with his mean tweets. :rolleyes:

I have twitter and it popped up in my feed.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Clickbait, Trump was permanently banned from twitter in Jan 2021, the reason: He hurt too many feelings with his mean tweets. :rolleyes:

Nah. The real reason was they were embarrasingly childish and stupid comments. :arrgh!:

[mapuc]

There was a reason why I wrote

Looks like-
Cause it could be someone who had taken his twitter name.

Markus

[u crank]

Nah. The real reason was they were embarrasingly childish and stupid comments. :arrgh!:

After Banning Trump For Denouncing Violence, Twitter Lets Putin Keep His Account

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/04/after-banning-trump-for-denouncing-violence-twitter-lets-putin-keep-his-account/

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s Twitter account, which has 1.5 million followers, remained active as of Friday, as Putin’s forces continue their invasion of Ukraine and attacks on the Ukrainian people.

the platform has repeatedly allowed brutal foreign regimes to keep their accounts. Ali Khamenei, supreme leader of Iran, maintains an account with nearly 900,000 followers, despite using his Twitter to call for Israel to be “uprooted and destroyed” and pledge support for anyone who “opposes and fights the Zionist regime.”

And ....

Twitter has also continued to allow Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid to use his official account to push Taliban propaganda, during and since the group’s violent takeover of Afghanistan in August.

[Bilge_Rat]

I also saw the "new" Trump account on twitter, but it would be big news if he was really back on.

[mapuc]

Got this in my feed about two hours ago

https://twitter.com/RealDoJTrump/status/1500882605872398340

Markus

[Gorpet]

The "Black sea belongs to the russians"? Why, because Putin says so?
Maybe have a look at the map? :doh:

Yes the Gulf of Mexico belongs to the United States, Do you disagree?

[Gorpet]

It's interesting polls say 62% of Americans believe Putin wouldn't have invaded if Trump was president. I think Trump was effective in policy, but he's a narcissist. I don't really have a problem with that, except narcissist are supposed to be smart and great at psychological manipulation and Trump has the ability of a used car salesman. I could tolerate a used car salesman, but not a dumb narcissist.

We do now know, Joey and the Democrats are the leaders and the smartest of the free world.And every Nato country must accept the leadership that comes from present day Washington. You do know that politicians by nature are narcissist and do live in bubbles high in the clouds above you right.

[Gorpet]

there what 4 countries right up against Ukraine already part of NATO seems like a world actor try putting Missiles on cuba in 1962 but i say this Ukraines not doing nothing i wouldn't do if the US was attack

There, you see it's not about Ukraine it's about the Black Sea.

[Gorpet]

State of the Union speech, a mumbley mess. Biden has declined further, he called Ukrainian "Iranian", even my closed captions had trouble deciphering him. All the while Pelosi sits behind him with an idiot smile frozen on her aged face.

He vows to fight inflation and then minutes later vaults forward calling for a $15 minimum wage. You can't make this stuff up.

I'm still hoping and praying Trump decides not to run. But I would have to reconsider my pledge not to vote for him if it's between Biden and him again.

Please god, Tom Cotton or Tulsi Gabbard, throw your hat in the ring. :timeout:

Neal, We have and old dysfunctional government.That is going to wreck our economy and take us into a war America will lose.

[Buddahaid]

Nice Jan 6th conviction. I hope the ******* never gets free.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60670105

[August]

Nice Jan 6th conviction. I hope the ******* never gets free.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60670105


I'm guessing about 5 years with credit for time already served. :yep:

[Jeff-Groves]

I'm guessing about 5 years with credit for time already served. :yep:
Your trying to break Buddahaid's heart right?
:haha:

[Buddahaid]

Your trying to break Buddahaid's heart right?
:haha:

I haven't seen his legs yet....:Kaleun_Wink:

[Jeff-Groves]

:har:
:up:

[August]

I'll have you know that I have fine looking legs, if you are into hair and scars and lately a few varicose veins! :03:

[Gorpet]

Nice Jan 6th conviction. I hope the ******* never gets free.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60670105

"At first people believe that a strange new thing can be done, then they begin to hope it can be done, then they get punched in the mouth by the Government they support and when it it's all over the people wonder what happened" And this is a quote from Gorpet.

[Buddahaid]

"At first people believe that a strange new thing can be done...

And therein lies the difference.

[Gorpet]

And therein lies the difference.

And what difference might you have that therein lies the difference ?

[Buddahaid]

And what difference might you have that therein lies the difference ?

The difference whereas we find ourselves out of step over what the Constitution states and allows while both feeling patriotic about it. How we likely see our freedom being limited but over different viewpoints.

[Gorpet]

The difference whereas we find ourselves out of step over what the Constitution states and allows while both feeling patriotic about it. How we likely see our freedom being limited but over different viewpoints.

We find ourselves out of step over what the Constitution states. What does that really mean? Gobbledygook ? You see our freedom being limited but over different viewpoints. The problem with viewpoints is exactly that, Some want to have total control over other citizens viewpoints.And there lies the qurex of the biscuit .

[Buddahaid]

We find ourselves out of step over what the Constitution states. What does that really mean? Gobbledygook ? You see our freedom being limited but over different viewpoints. The problem with viewpoints is exactly that, Some want to have total control over other citizens viewpoints.And there lies the qurex of the biscuit .

Touche!

Some also refuse to allow that other people can have other viewpoints and
that's the very reason there are constitutional attorneys and the Supreme Court.

[Reece]

I'll have you know that I have fine looking legs, if you are into hair and scars and lately a few varicose veins! :03:
mm, varicose veins, sexy!! :oops:

[August]

Touche!

Some also refuse to allow that other people can have other viewpoints and
that's the very reason there are constitutional attorneys and the Supreme Court.


Isn't one political party (Putin Democrats), talking about packing the supreme court with judges that will promote their viewpoints? Are we talking about constitutional attorneys like Michael Sussman or Andrew Weissmann that have repeatedly perverted justice by lying?

Some Constitutional Guardians you got there.

[August]

This thread could use some Motivational quotes:


https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/E1D2B85E-023C-489D-AD8C-47F8649E45F9.png

[Jeff-Groves]

I hope making me throw up was intentional.

[Otto Harkaman]

wow that is very motivational, I feel unburdened

[August]

There are more such gems. She's like a political version of Yogi Berra without the charm.

[Otto Harkaman]

they are like a "fortune" in a fortune cookie but more indecipherable than the usual aphorism, or a vague prophecy :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

Isn't one political party (Putin Democrats), talking about packing the supreme court with judges that will promote their viewpoints? Are we talking about constitutional attorneys like Michael Sussman or Andrew Weissmann that have repeatedly perverted justice by lying?

Some Constitutional Guardians you got there.

Putin Democrats? You mean the ones who would not lose a wink of sleep refusing health care and access to treatment if you don’t want experimental drugs injected into your body? You mean those Putin Democrats who disregard the laws of the land and cheer on “I hope the ******* never gets free”. Those Putin Democrats?

[Buddahaid]

Putin Democrats? You mean the ones who would not lose a wink of sleep refusing health care and access to treatment if you don’t want experimental drugs injected into your body? You mean those Putin Democrats who disregard the laws of the land and cheer on “I hope the ******* never gets free”. Those Putin Democrats?

My my aren't we being offensive today.

[MaDef]

That's a motivational quote? It reads more like a word salad. Can anyone around here translate that quote into plain English?

[August]

That's a motivational quote? It reads more like a word salad. Can anyone around here translate that quote into plain English?


She is the Yogi Berra of politics.


https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/CB94F6EA-5EAF-480F-808A-E372F8A32E40.png