US Politics Thread 2021-24 [Archive] - Page 33

Otto Harkaman

06-04-24, 03:25 PM

^ Well if they had funded and prepared themselves years ago maybe Putin wouldn't have dared to show his hand :hmmm:

How much better prepared would the Western European Nato countries have been if they had funded 2% GDP to their defense? (Asking AI:chatgpt4)

To quantify the potential impact, let's consider a hypothetical scenario where key Western European NATO countries had consistently spent 2% of their GDP on defense over the past decade. Here are some rough estimates:

1. Economic Scale: Countries like Germany, France, and the United Kingdom have large economies, so the absolute increase in defense spending would be substantial.
- Germany: GDP around $4 trillion. Increasing defense spending from around 1.2% to 2% would add approximately $32 billion annually.
- France: GDP around $2.7 trillion. Increasing from around 1.8% to 2% would add approximately $5.4 billion annually.
- United Kingdom: GDP around $3 trillion. Increasing from around 2% (already close to target) would add a smaller but still significant amount.

2. Cumulative Effect: Over a decade, these increases would result in hundreds of billions of additional defense dollars.
- Germany: $32 billion/year x 10 years = $320 billion.
- France: $5.4 billion/year x 10 years = $54 billion.
- United Kingdom: Even a small increase of $1 billion/year x 10 years = $10 billion.

These figures represent significant enhancements in capabilities, force readiness, and strategic assets. Improved funding would likely lead to:
- Enhanced deterrence: Stronger and more credible military presence in Europe.
- Faster response: Quicker mobilization and response to threats.
- Greater resilience: Better ability to withstand and recover from conflicts or crises.

### Conclusion

If Western European NATO countries had consistently met the 2% GDP defense spending guideline, their military capabilities and preparedness would be notably enhanced. This increased readiness and capability could have served as a stronger deterrent to potential aggressors like Russia, potentially altering strategic calculations and preventing aggressive actions.

Catfish

06-04-24, 04:01 PM

mapuc

06-04-24, 04:13 PM

Will this prevent them from getting into USA ?

The decree means that when the number of illegal migrants crossing the US-Mexico border becomes too high, the border will be temporarily closed. According to the AFP news agency, it is 2,500 a day.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/biden-siger-stop-vil-lukke-graensen-til-mexico/10256642?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

Otto Harkaman

06-04-24, 04:13 PM

^^ We don't even have to bring Trump into it. I think most of us on this forum are militarily oriented enough to know that we are not talking about public opinion but military preparedness from an Intelligence assessment (Intel).

But I get the game now, that was great for the Germans not to spend money on their own defense and when we(Biden) blew up the Nord Stream pipeline we really showed them that we had them by the balls.

:shucks:

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIG3.t.TXzIZrJxW9xExo2hlK?w=1024&h=1024&rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain

Catfish

06-04-24, 04:20 PM

^ That. :yep:
Sad enough, some here still did not get the message.

mapuc

06-04-24, 04:52 PM

Now I'm lost

The story was about Biden and Americas immigration problems.

Markus

Otto Harkaman

06-04-24, 05:47 PM

Who is the main supplier of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to Germany?

The United States is the main supplier of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to Germany. In 2023, the US supplied over 80% of Germany's LNG imports. This significant share is part of the broader trend in which the US has become the largest LNG supplier to Europe, driven by the need for European countries to diversify their energy sources in response to reduced imports from Russia following its invasion of Ukraine (EIA Energy Info (https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61483)) (LngIndustry (https://www.lngindustry.com/special-reports/01032024/the-us-remained-the-largest-lng-supplier-to-europe-in-2023/)) (CleanTechnica (https://cleantechnica.com/2024/03/06/united-states-remained-largest-liquefied-natural-gas-supplier-to-europe-in-2023/)).

Germany's decision to pivot towards LNG and increase its imports from the US has been part of a broader strategy to enhance its energy security. This move comes amidst efforts to reduce reliance on Russian gas and bolster energy supply resilience, especially given the geopolitical tensions and supply disruptions experienced in recent years (DW (https://www.dw.com/en/germany-helps-fuel-explosion-in-us-gas-exports/a-67632417)).

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIG3.Y4ze8_6709_Chm8mmwcj?w=1024&h=1024&rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain

Otto Harkaman

06-04-24, 07:27 PM

H.R.7176 - Unlocking our Domestic LNG Potential Act of 2024

Shown Here:
Passed House (02/15/2024)

Unlocking our Domestic LNG Potential Act of 2024

This bill repeals certain restrictions on the import and export of natural gas under the Natural Gas Act, including requirements for Department of Energy (DOE) approval and related provisions that address free trade agreements.
In addition, the bill grants the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) the exclusive authority to approve or deny applications to authorize the siting, construction, expansion, or operation of facilities (e.g., liquefied natural gas terminals) to export natural gas to foreign countries or import natural gas from foreign countries. (Currently, DOE authorizes the export or import of natural gas, and FERC authorizes related facilities.)
In determining whether to approve or deny an application, FERC must deem the exportation or importation of natural gas to be consistent with the public interest.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7176

Rockstar

06-04-24, 07:28 PM

^ nobody believed some ten years ago that there would ever be a war again against Europe initialised by Russia. Even after the sacking of Crimea.
This is why no one wanted to spend a dime for a defence that was so completely unnecessary (ahem).

Whatever, what Trump said or says is irrelevant. In hindsight all is perfectly clear for the wisecracks.
As a true sick narcicist Trump uses any situation to blame others and try to pose as the one who knew it all, and better. Just watch some interviews, this guy is a blithering idiot who has not even the excuse of Alzheimer's disease.
b.t.w. you cannot trust a fraudster, be it selling a car, or his people.

Dude your TDS is showing. Probably something in the koolaid huh?

1st Poland and the Baltic states for over a decade warned of Putin’s encroachment into Europe as he and his old German buddies attempted to develop a European dependency on his energy via Nord Stream. Trump even publicly warned and sure enough Europe particularly Germany laughed even harder. Because as we all know it was the fashionable thing to do then, because you know ‘Trump’ and apparently still is. :roll:

IMO we put an end to what the then Polish president said was a ‘new Molotov Ribbentrop pact. What we see in Ukraine today is what Putin intended to do over time by holding Europe hostage as he had his way. But now has to overtly challenge the world order Ukrainian sovereignty.

Never forget the reason why NATO exists, to keep those two belligerent nations Germany and Russia at bay. Because as we see when those two get together the world generally turns into a steaming pile of **** real fast. And sure enough when you get caught what follows is you being like little children throwing a tantrum blaming Biden, blaming Trump, and the U.S. for not doing enough to fix it. Pathetic

Let’s be honest this doesn’t have jack squat to do with freedom and democracy slogans. Germany and Russia fekked with our hegemony in Europe. Now it’s time for Germany and all those other ungrateful turds who allowed that pipeline to run through their waters to realize again, contrary to asinine British tabloid news, that Putin, (not Biden , not Trump or the US) is the bad guy and for Putin to realize he needs to stay the hell out of Europe.

There’s a reason why invest so much economically and militarily in Europe. Because Europeans in general are to stupid to know how good they have it.

Can’t wait to hear your ya bout what about Trump argument

Otto Harkaman

06-04-24, 07:29 PM

The largest company producing liquefied natural gas (LNG) in the United States is Cheniere Energy. Cheniere operates two major LNG facilities along the U.S. Gulf Coast: Sabine Pass in Louisiana and Corpus Christi in Texas. The Sabine Pass facility started export operations in 2016 and currently has five operational liquefaction units, with a sixth under construction. Once complete, Sabine Pass is expected to reach a production capacity of about 30 million tonnes per annum (mtpa). The Corpus Christi facility, which began operations in 2018, consists of three liquefaction units with a total production capacity of 15 mtpa (EIA Energy Info (https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61683)) (MarketScreener (https://www.marketscreener.com/news/latest/The-World-s-Top-LNG-Companies-36707914/)).

Several U.S. politicians have been reported to have investments in Cheniere Energy. For example, Representative Tom Carper (D-DE), Representative Pete Sessions (R-TX), and Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) are some of the prominent figures with stock trades involving Cheniere Energy. These investments are part of their broader financial portfolios, which include various issuers and volumes traded over recent years (Capitol Trades (https://www.capitoltrades.com/politicians)).

Cheniere Energy has indeed established partnerships with German companies. One significant partnership is with BASF, one of the largest chemical producers globally. Cheniere and BASF entered into a long-term LNG sale and purchase agreement. Under this agreement, Cheniere will supply BASF with LNG from its facilities in the United States. This collaboration highlights the growing energy ties between the U.S. and Germany, particularly in the context of LNG supply (Cheniere Energy, Inc. (https://lngir.cheniere.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/298/cheniere-reports-first-quarter-2024-results-and-reconfirms)) (GIZ (https://www.giz.de/en/worldwide/53180.html)).

The largest shareholder of Cheniere Energy is Carl C. Icahn, who owns approximately 10.35% of the company's shares. This equates to about 23.68 million shares valued at around $3.64 billion (WallStreetZen) (Simply Wall St). Other significant shareholders include The Vanguard Group, Inc. with 9.72% ownership, and BlackRock, Inc. holding 8.07% (WallStreetZen).

Interesting that blackrock is a large owner

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIG1.diBNhAg8RN6qAjnH3qWg?w=1024&h=1024&rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain

em2nought

06-05-24, 02:49 AM

With these particular democrats in charge, the Republicans should keep in mind what happened to the Templars. :03:

mapuc

06-05-24, 11:51 AM

A friend wrote following on her wall
"PROJECT 2025 will be putting people in camps ,if they are gay , trans, and if you talk against the government . Gee this sounds like Russia, China , North Korea , like any country with a DICTATOR , never to see your love one again "

This project 2025 sounds smells like a bunch of conspiracy.

Made a search and found this wiki page-It doesn't mention anything about putting people in camps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Jimbuna

06-05-24, 01:28 PM

Dude your TDS is showing. Probably something in the koolaid huh?

1st Poland and the Baltic states for over a decade warned of Putin’s encroachment into Europe as he and his old German buddies attempted to develop a European dependency on his energy via Nord Stream. Trump even publicly warned and sure enough Europe particularly Germany laughed even harder. Because as we all know it was the fashionable thing to do then, because you know ‘Trump’ and apparently still is. :roll:

IMO we put an end to what the then Polish president said was a ‘new Molotov Ribbentrop pact. What we see in Ukraine today is what Putin intended to do over time by holding Europe hostage as he had his way. But now has to overtly challenge the world order Ukrainian sovereignty.

Never forget the reason why NATO exists, to keep those two belligerent nations Germany and Russia at bay. Because as we see when those two get together the world generally turns into a steaming pile of **** real fast. And sure enough when you get caught what follows is you being like little children throwing a tantrum blaming Biden, blaming Trump, and the U.S. for not doing enough to fix it. Pathetic

Let’s be honest this doesn’t have jack squat to do with freedom and democracy slogans. Germany and Russia fekked with our hegemony in Europe. Now it’s time for Germany and all those other ungrateful turds who allowed that pipeline to run through their waters to realize again, contrary to asinine British tabloid news, that Putin, (not Biden , not Trump or the US) is the bad guy and for Putin to realize he needs to stay the hell out of Europe.

There’s a reason why invest so much economically and militarily in Europe. Because Europeans in general are to stupid to know how good they have it.

Can’t wait to hear your ya bout what about Trump argument

Thirty three edits....not quite beating your record of thirty five but a good effort.

If you weren't so 'asinine' in manner and content that of which you regularly post then some folk around here might make the effort to read and then consider the contents you write around these parts.

vienna

06-05-24, 01:38 PM

...

Can’t wait to hear your ya bout what about Trump argument

We've been too busy slogging through your endless "Waddabout Biden/Pelosi/Clinton/Obama/DEMs/etc." posts...

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mapuc

06-05-24, 04:01 PM

How many times did the United States threaten to destroy the Nord Stream pipeline?

The United States has publicly threatened to destroy the Nord Stream pipeline at least once. This notable instance occurred when President Joe Biden stated on February 7, 2022, that the U.S. would "bring an end" to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine. Biden's statement was made during a joint press conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and was widely reported in the media.

Here is the specific quote from President Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

While this is the most prominent public threat, it's important to note that discussions and concerns about the pipeline have been ongoing for years among U.S. officials, particularly in the context of energy security and geopolitical tensions with Russia. However, this statement by President Biden is the clearest and most direct threat to the pipeline's existence made publicly by a U.S. official.

Sending a threat isn't the same as USA have done it.

I guess we will never know who was behind the sabotage.

Markus

Reece

06-05-24, 07:31 PM

Thirty three edits....not quite beating your record of thirty five but a good effort.

I think Skybird might be one up on that Jim! :D

Gorpet

06-05-24, 10:19 PM

All Governors in America will be getting a Box car shipment of these.
Prussian blue (Radiogardase)..Potassium iodide.And this of course this can't be verified.But somebody is loading it. Right

Oubaas

06-06-24, 10:54 AM

They're militarizing Gotland, placing a Typhon missile system on Bornholm, squeezing transit through the Suwalki gap making logistical support of Kaliningrad expensive and difficult, Micron in France openly has troops on the ground in Ukraine and plans to send more, the rest of the west covertly has troops there, the brain giants who "lead" the west have all given permission for Ukraine to launch attacks inside Russia with western weapons, the F-16s are coming, a Russian MP has advocated nuking a European port to interdict Europe's energy supply and that means Rotterdam, drones are plaguing the Russians and they're eyeing drone manufacturing in the UK, the Baltics are foaming at the mouth, there's talk of turning the Baltic Sea into a "A NATO lake", the west is eyeing the northern sea route, and Poland has been mentioned by Russia as being in need of more radiation.

Meanwhile, Israel is attacking Hesbollah in Lebanon, Iran is POed, the mess in Gaza continues, the Houthis continue, Spain is joining South Africa's ICC/ICJ complaint against Israel, etcetera.

And, the west is getting belligerent with China over Taiwan, as Japan petulantly refuses to talk to Russia about the disputed Kuril Islands. And North Korea is distributing airborne garbage.

Now, what could go wrong? I'm confident that the west's DEI-driven militaries can handle a multi-front war with elan and alacrity, as long as they don't break a heel while traversing rough terrain. And they wear military grade high heels.

Don't but any green bananas. They probably won't ripen fast enough for you to eat them.

Have a nice day! :haha:

:Kaleun_Cheers:

August

06-06-24, 12:26 PM

Oubaas

06-06-24, 03:13 PM

You could pick just about any point in human history and come up with an equally alarming list. Telling people in breathless tones that they won't live long enough for bananas to ripen is just plain ignorant.

I spent the early years of my military career forward deployed and deployed.

Later on, much to my chagrin, the Pentagon issued orders for me to go to school to become an analyst.

I graduated with honors, returned to duty, and finished my career successfully as an analyst. I was sometimes accused of having a crystal ball.

If you don't see the peril of our present situation, incomparable to anything in history, then you have no understanding of what you're seeing.

And what's actually ignorant is being so emotionally immature that you attack and insult another poster in panicky, truculent tones because you're stricken with fear by what they're saying.

You're certainly free to disagree, but disagree like an adult, not a petulant high school kid.

mapuc

06-06-24, 03:15 PM

I spent the early years of my military career forward deployed and deployed.

Later on, much to my chagrin, the Pentagon issued orders for me to go to school to become an analyst.

I graduated with honors, returned to duty, and finished my career successfully as an analyst. I was sometimes accused of having a crystal ball.

If you don't see the peril of our present situation, incomparable to anything in history, then you have no understanding of what you're seeing.

And what's actually ignorant is being so emotionally immature that you attack and insult another poster in panicky, truculent tones because you're stricken with fear by what they're saying.

You're certainly free to disagree, but disagree like an adult, not a petulant high school kid.

Well I ain't an analyst, even though I can see the future isn't exactly bright.

Markus

em2nought

06-06-24, 03:39 PM

If you don't see the peril of our present situation, incomparable to anything in history, then you have no understanding of what you're seeing.

This is what has me thinking about running away to Paraguay. The northern hemisphere could destroy itself, but I might still be relatively safe in a backwater like that with it's own food on the hoof, 400 years worth of water, and more hydro power than they can use themselves. :D

ET2SN

06-06-24, 03:52 PM

Meanwhile, remember when I brought this up?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqSCdMZLnR8

:yep:

What Beau is missing is what happens to the people who present/brief Trump with classified info? At a minimum, that would be considered a security violation and the presenters could/would be liable for prosecution. :doh:

Its the same as if you were tasked with handing out classified code books and you gave one to your crazy cousin Bill. Mistake or not, its YOUR ### that's on the hook.

:yep:

mapuc

06-06-24, 04:49 PM

Otto Harkaman

06-06-24, 05:30 PM

We seem to forget one important thing and it has to do with the title of this thread:

Are the two main Presidential candidate fit for handling the coming crisis which will, not may, occur within the next 4-5 year ?

Markus

What are you talking about? The President has already been decided, are you ready to handle how she is going to handle the coming crises?

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZ2tuMzRodzJ3cGRwYjk5bHQ0d2FudWp wejY4Mmh3dWZkZHdzZXA5ZiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/CktshF8tF2nf9kXExx/giphy.webp

mapuc

06-06-24, 06:03 PM

What are you talking about? The President has already been decided, are you ready to handle how she is going to handle the coming crises?

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZ2tuMzRodzJ3cGRwYjk5bHQ0d2FudWp wejY4Mmh3dWZkZHdzZXA5ZiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/CktshF8tF2nf9kXExx/giphy.webp

Interesting to know for an outsider- I didn't know that the Presidential election was chosen before the voters can give their say.

I didn't know that Biden will be removed an replaced with this woman(She is Vice President)

Markus

Otto Harkaman

06-06-24, 06:14 PM

^ She will be President, and it will happen in a way that seems totally logical when the time comes

* remember this post

Oubaas

06-06-24, 06:45 PM

^ She will be President, and it will happen in a way that seems totally logical when the time comes

* remember this post

I'll see your Kamala and raise you a Hillary. :o

:Kaleun_Cheers:

August

06-06-24, 07:29 PM

I spent the early years of my military career forward deployed and deployed.

Later on, much to my chagrin, the Pentagon issued orders for me to go to school to become an analyst.

I graduated with honors, returned to duty, and finished my career successfully as an analyst. I was sometimes accused of having a crystal ball.

If you don't see the peril of our present situation, incomparable to anything in history, then you have no understanding of what you're seeing.

And what's actually ignorant is being so emotionally immature that you attack and insult another poster in panicky, truculent tones because you're stricken with fear by what they're saying.

You're certainly free to disagree, but disagree like an adult, not a petulant high school kid.

Oh and repeatedly telling people that they are all going to die before their bananas can ripen isn't panicky and truculent? You are acting ignorant and I called you out on it so deal with it. I did air raid drills when I was a kid and I also wore my countries uniform so don't play that card cause it won't work with me.

Oubaas

06-06-24, 08:49 PM

Oh and repeatedly telling people that they are all going to die before their bananas can ripen isn't panicky and truculent? You are acting ignorant and I called you out on it so deal with it. I did air raid drills when I was a kid and I also wore my countries uniform so don't play that card cause it won't work with me.

The green bananas thing was a joke, August. But this isn't. No one here gets out alive. We're all going to die. Every one of us, including me. It's the natural outcome of life. I've already done it three or four times, but well-meaning medical people dragged me back into this world.

The present world situation is sub-optimal, to say the least. People who don't care one whit about you or me are running the world, and all it takes is one false step and we'll both wake up dead tomorrow. And reminding people that the inmates are running the asylum is worth a try. But it's not justification for being rude, or living in angry fear. Relax.

Reece

06-06-24, 09:19 PM

We're all going to die. Every one of us, including me.
What a stupid outlook on life!! :doh: You may as well give up and shoot yourself now, whats the point of going on?? :timeout:

GOOD GRIEF!! :/\\!!

em2nought

06-06-24, 09:41 PM

By hook or by crook there will be no election in November. :03:

Oubaas

06-06-24, 10:57 PM

What a stupid outlook on life!! :doh: You may as well give up and shoot yourself now, whats the point of going on?? :timeout:

GOOD GRIEF!! :/\\!!

ROFLMAO! Wooh! Lots of people 'round here that fear the reaper!

The point is to try to improve every step of the way and become, in the end, a TRUE human being.

It's also somewhat akin to running a triathlon. You want to see if you can endure to the end.

If you combine the two, you win the triathlon of life. :haha:

August

06-07-24, 01:22 AM

Bah, pure alarmist fear mongering is what that is. The world is no worse off now than it ever was and in many ways it is much, much better.

When I was a kid a world ending nuclear war was so likely and imminent that fall out shelters were everywhere. We had air raid drills even in elementary school where we practiced hiding under our desks and taught to stop, drop and take cover in the event of an atomic bomb burst like it might actually make a difference if it happened. Not sure about Arkansas but no Russian bombs or missiles were ever dropped on us.

Our rivers were choked with pollution, one the Nashua river winding through my home town was billed as the "Most Polluted in America". I guess that was no surprise given that our town prided itself on being the "Plastics Capital of the World" and we had the child cancer rates to prove it.

Hundreds of thousands of our troops were stationed in half the countries in Europe and the rest of the world locked and loaded just waiting for the big balloon to go up. Some, including my father, were off fighting and dying in a foreign war that seemingly had no purpose and no end. While back home factories were closing, jobs were going overseas, unemployment was skyrocketing, mortgage interest rates were through the roof, there were housing shortages. There was racial strife, social unrest in our cities that were plagued by crime and rioting in the streets. Our college campus' were hotbeds of radicalism and we had idiot leaders like Carter and Ford and crooks like Nixon selling out our country to the Chicoms.

Any of this sound familiar?

Our fathers and grandfathers generations, those who fought in that terrible world war 80 years ago had their share of hard times too, born during the first terrible world war and growing up in the Great Depression that saw millions become destitute to a degree that has almost been eliminated in this country today. They had to deal with deadly pandemics, Spanish flu, polio, diphtheria and a host of other diseases. They lived with rising crime, social unrest and more. Their fathers and grandfathers had similar problems and so on and so on back into the dim mists of ancient human history.

They all managed to deal with it and we will too.

Don't be like Chicken Little screaming that the sky is falling. It's not so stop trying to scare people. You aren't the only one who understands the concept of mortality nor had a brush with the grim reaper. Go out and get yourself some green bananas and feel confident that you'll be around to see them ripen and stop telling people they shouldn't be.

There's a Billy Joel song which applies here. I like this particular version because the video maker used the correct images of people and things to match the lyrics. It's somewhat dated now but it's still pretty applicable today. If we survived this then todays youngsters (meaning anyone under 50) can survive whatever is in store for them in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p3DzUwxI0o

Buddahaid

06-08-24, 09:16 AM

Nice move GOP.
https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-house-capitol-riot-officers-booed-0456d13bdb631cbe01468819bc2a8d2e

August

06-08-24, 11:31 AM

Nice move GOP.
https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-house-capitol-riot-officers-booed-0456d13bdb631cbe01468819bc2a8d2e

You're just promoting more Democrat lies. Nothing but unsubstantiated claims from democrats and anonymous "witnesses".

But from the very article you linked:

In a text on Thursday, Dunn said he heard a commotion but could not make out what was being said. He thanked Republican Minority Leader Bryan Cutler of Lancaster County for taking a photo with them.

Dunn said he was “honored to be there being recognized.” The two had made an appearance a few hours earlier Wednesday on the steps of the Pennsylvania Capitol at an event coordinated by the campaign of President Joe Biden.

“The truth is, I support law enforcement. I spoke to the gentlemen about the job they performed,” Cutler told reporters Wednesday afternoon. “And I think that when you look at it, I’m tired of the House speaker using the guest list and the legislative calendar for political purposes.”

Video from the scene in the chamber as business was wrapping up for the week showed several Republican members and staff, including Cutler, applauding the officers. Cutler later noted House Democrats sent out a fundraising email immediately afterward.Your side doesn't care about those cops, they just use them as pawns to try and score political points.

August

06-08-24, 11:40 AM

Meanwhile your Potato in Chief continues to crap his pants. Literally and figuratively:

Biden is dazed and confused

It is demeaning for the president of the United States to challenge a journalist interviewing him to a physical fight. But President Joe Biden‘s schoolyard taunt wasn’t even the lowest point in his recent sit-down with Time magazine.
The interviewer asked if he was too old, and Biden responded, “You’re looking at me, I can take you, too.” The president then also confused Russia for China, accused Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of prolonging the war in Gaza — when, in truth, Israel has been prevented from moving faster by Biden himself — falsely claimed wages have outpaced inflation during his term in office, and said his only regret on immigration was not opening the border sooner.
Throughout the interview, Biden seemed insecure and defensive. He repeatedly complained about the press not giving him enough positive coverage.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3032288/biden-is-dazed-and-confused/

vienna

06-08-24, 02:22 PM

You're just promoting more Democrat lies. Nothing but unsubstantiated claims from democrats and anonymous "witnesses".

But from the very article you linked:

Your side doesn't care about those cops, they just use them as pawns to try and score political points.

Thanking someone who invited you is just common courtesy, even if that person may not be an actually welcoming individual; and, the fact that some GOP members actually had the good grace and appreciation for what those officers endured to recognize and applaud the officers does not in any way excuse or defend those GOP members who didn't even have basic common courtesy and chose to be the MAGA worm louts they seem to be; the good part of this situation is it appears not all GOP persons are in lock goosestep with the MAGA/Trump New Reich, so some hope abides...

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Skybird

06-08-24, 03:37 PM

The elections leave Americans the choice between the plague and cholera.

mapuc

06-08-24, 03:45 PM

The elections leave Americans the choice between the plague and cholera.

...... is nothing more than a fata morgana

This I have learned from another member
The election is already made up-It will be the Vice President who's going to take over.

Markus

Skybird

06-08-24, 04:21 PM

It will be the Vice President who's going to take over.

Markus
Ah, Ebola.

em2nought

06-08-24, 05:06 PM

The elections leave Americans the choice between the plague and cholera.

The choice between a President who, other than too big spending, did a good job even with all the forces aligned against him versus a President who purposely dismantled all the good that the other President did, and let the world go to ****.

Four more years of Brandon would be unrecoverable. :hmmm:

Oubaas

06-08-24, 05:21 PM

mapuc

06-08-24, 05:36 PM

Who said
If voting meant something, we weren't allowed to vote
Somewhere like that.

Markus

em2nought

06-08-24, 10:39 PM

They all serve the same master, and that master isn't you or anyone you know.

Choosing a side in US politics is like selecting your favorite deck chair on the Titanic.

"None of the Above" should be a choice on the ballot.

:Kaleun_Cheers:

Trump is outside of "their" acceptable solutions. Too late, they figured out that JFK was too so... :hmmm:

Gorpet

06-09-24, 12:29 AM

The elections leave Americans the choice between the plague and cholera.

And the Americans, Will create, plague and any Virus that needs to be created for the new world order.A global dominance of this planet by the wealthiest is the end game. There is only one country and one leader who will stop it. Not every country wants America's Democracy. America, is a **** can of ****, who wants a can of ****.
The best minds your country has elected ,are going to Slag all your cities again. Let me ask you this, What has brought the people of the world here? Me and you? I don't think so....It's the smartest minds . hey if i shave wear a suite, get some makeup, learn a few lines we make a movie " things to come" and gun barrels will always make it true. The world as we know it is Dominated by gun barrels , And who has the most barrels NATO. Their gun barrels are just killing young men. Lets up the ante, Londen, Berlin, Washington,DC, NATO in Belgium, If these were gone no more wars.

Otto Harkaman

06-09-24, 03:06 AM

https://i.imgflip.com/8saxr1.jpg

Rockstar

06-09-24, 04:01 PM

The elections leave Americans the choice between the plague and cholera.

No no it’s a convict and a turnip. ;)

ET2SN

06-09-24, 08:45 PM

Rockstar

06-10-24, 06:51 AM

Moving on to a different track, for a change, I thought I would introduce this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bSVeq1-_ZE

Ryan is ex-Army and pushes his own software for anti-cyber stuff (or something like that) and likes to promote himself as a guru in...stuff. :hmmm:

To start off, ex-submariners trust ex-Army like we trusted Squids in the surface fleet. We mostly don't. :O:

Still, he offers some interesting takes on current military issues that are worth checking out. Unfortunately, he's also big on riding that YouTube algorithm so you may have to suffer through some "reaction videos" and merch sales :doh: but on the whole, he's worth checking out.

Aside from drinking citrus cocktails while smoking a stogy, THAT is just wrong.. :timeout:

I have yet to see him leaning right or left, he tends to march down his own path which is refreshing. But, because of the "algorithm" hoo hah, he will do stuff that makes your skin crawl. :O:

That’s a serious disconnect from reality, is that the best you can come up with some click bait that doesn’t lean left or right?

Neither does this lean left or right yet at this very moment affecting the lives of people around the globe.

What of our depleted strategic oil reserves

Wild arsed spending sprees by the uniparty

No longer supporting the Saudis in their dealings with the Houthi’s. In turn inflating prices at the pump because we have to get back at those Saudi’s. Who now refuse to increase oil output.

Removing Houthi’s from the terrorist watchlist.

Freeing up multiple billions for Iran which turned into supporting the Iran proxy Houthi fighter who pretty much closed down the Red Sea & Suez Canal to commercial shipping which are inflating the prices of goods even further.

American hostages STILL held in Gaza yet nary a word about them or any plans on getting them back.

Halting military support to an ally defending itself and trying get theirs as well our hostages released.

In just under 4 short years there is suddenly wars in Europe, Middle East, China getting uppity and threatening our treaty ally the Philippines.

And last but not least we have the leader of the free world can’t string a sentence together, poops his pants in public, has been caught loosing his bearings or wandering around aimlessly. I don’t give damn wether he’s left, center, right, up, down or whatever it a goddamn national embarrassment and every one us deserve better

Rockstar

06-10-24, 05:21 PM

How many regional conflicts involving the US started under Trump's Presidency?

During Donald Trump’s presidency (January 2017 – January 2021),
the United States was involved in a few regional conflicts and military actions, but he largely maintained existing engagements rather than starting new large-scale conflicts. The notable actions and developments include:

Escalation and Reduction of Troops in Afghanistan:
Trump initially increased troop levels in Afghanistan in 2017 but later pursued peace talks with the Taliban, leading to a significant reduction of U.S. forces by the end of his term.

Military Actions in Syria:
In April 2017 and April 2018, Trump ordered missile strikes on Syria in response to chemical attacks on civilians by the Assad regime.
In October 2019, he ordered the withdrawal of U.S. troops from northern Syria, which led to criticism for abandoning Kurdish allies.

Tensions with Iran:
Trump withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal in 2018 and reimposed sanctions, leading to increased tensions and several incidents in the Persian Gulf.
The most significant escalation was the killing of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani in January 2020, which brought the U.S. and Iran close to a broader conflict but did not result in a new war.

Increased Military Presence in the Middle East:
The U.S. increased its military presence in the Middle East at various points in response to perceived threats, such as during the heightened tensions with Iran.

Yemen Conflict:
The U.S. continued to support Saudi-led operations in Yemen, providing arms and intelligence support, though this involvement began under previous administrations.

Operations Against ISIS:
Trump continued and intensified efforts against ISIS, which were initiated under his predecessors, leading to the defeat of the physical caliphate by 2019.

Summary:
Under Trump’s presidency, the U.S. did not start any entirely new regional conflicts. The major actions were escalations or continuations of existing engagements, including:

Increased troop levels in Afghanistan followed by reductions.
Missile strikes and troop withdrawals in Syria.
Killing of Soleimani and increased tensions with Iran.

These actions often intensified or de-escalated existing conflicts but did not lead to new wars or long-term military commitments that were fundamentally different from ongoing operations when he took office.

How many regional conflicts involving the US started under Biden's Presidency?

During Joe Biden’s presidency (beginning January 20, 2021),
the United States has not started any new regional conflicts. However, Biden's administration has been involved in various military and strategic actions related to existing conflicts. Here’s a summary of significant developments:

1. Withdrawal from Afghanistan (2021):
Biden oversaw the completion of the U.S. military withdrawal from Afghanistan, ending the 20-year conflict. This led to the rapid takeover of Afghanistan by the Taliban in August 2021 and a chaotic evacuation of U.S. personnel and allies.

2. Renewed Focus on Counterterrorism:
The Biden administration has continued targeted operations against terrorist groups, such as ISIS and Al-Qaeda, in regions like the Middle East and Africa. Notable actions include:
The drone strike in Somalia against Al-Shabaab militants.
Continued airstrikes against ISIS-K in Afghanistan following the withdrawal.

3. Military Actions in Syria and Iraq:
The U.S. has conducted airstrikes against Iranian-backed militia groups in Syria and Iraq in response to attacks on U.S. forces and interests in the region.
In February and June 2021, airstrikes targeted facilities used by these groups, marking a continuation of the U.S.'s counter-militant operations in the region.

4. Support for Ukraine:
Following Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the Biden administration has provided substantial military and financial aid to Ukraine. This support has included advanced weaponry, intelligence, and training but does not involve direct U.S. combat forces.

5. Tensions with China:
Increased focus on the Indo-Pacific region, including bolstering alliances such as AUKUS (Australia, United Kingdom, United States) and expanding military presence and support to counter China's influence. No direct conflict has emerged, but there have been tensions, especially around Taiwan and the South China Sea.

6. Operations in Africa:
The U.S. has continued operations against extremist groups in Africa, such as Boko Haram and ISIS affiliates, primarily through drone strikes and support for local forces.

Summary of U.S. Involvement:
Biden's administration has not initiated new regional conflicts but has been active in various ongoing military engagements:

Afghanistan: Managed the withdrawal, marking the end of U.S. involvement in the Afghan conflict.
Middle East: Conducted airstrikes in Syria and Iraq in response to militia attacks.
Counterterrorism: Continued operations against terrorist groups in Africa and the Middle East.
Ukraine: Provided extensive support to Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression.
China: Increased strategic posturing and alliances to counter Chinese influence, particularly in the Indo-Pacific region.

These actions reflect a continuation and, in some cases, an escalation of existing U.S. military and strategic commitments rather than the start of entirely new conflicts.

This is a presumption on my part that The Great and Mighty Artificial Intelligence was referring to my statements but just in case The Great and Powerful AI was. Nowhere did I ever say Biden initiated any wars, I was suggesting it is weakness and poor judgement that others took advantage of to initiate wars and proxy wars.

Otto Harkaman

06-10-24, 05:26 PM

I wasn't trying to pin you to anything, I was curious myself and thought it made a good question prompt.

Its biased, I am using Chatgpt, Microsoft Copilot is even more biased, Google has some AI now but I haven't tried it.

Sum up the US involvement in the Yemen Conflict

The U.S. involvement in the Yemen conflict has evolved over time, beginning under previous administrations and continuing with changes in focus and policy through the Trump and Biden presidencies.

HereÂ’s a summary:

Background of the Yemen Conflict
The Yemen conflict, starting in 2014, is a civil war between the Houthi rebels, who are Shia Muslim and backed by Iran, and the Yemeni government forces, supported by a Saudi-led coalition. The U.S. involvement primarily revolves around supporting this Saudi-led coalition.

U.S. Involvement in Yemen

Obama Administration (2009-2017)

Support for Saudi-led Coalition: In 2015, the Obama administration provided intelligence, logistics, and arms support to the Saudi-led coalition.
Counterterrorism Operations: Conducted drone strikes and special operations against Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) and ISIS affiliates in Yemen.

Trump Administration (2017-2021)

Continued Support: Expanded arms sales and logistical support to the Saudi-led coalition, despite growing concerns over civilian casualties and humanitarian issues.
Drone Strikes and Special Operations: Intensified counterterrorism efforts, particularly against AQAP.
Pressure and Criticism: Faced increasing congressional pressure to end support for the Saudi-led coalition due to humanitarian concerns. In December 2020, the Trump administration designated the Houthis as a terrorist organization, complicating humanitarian aid efforts.

Biden Administration (2021-Present)

Ending Offensive Support: In February 2021, President Biden announced an end to U.S. support for offensive operations by the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen, including relevant arms sales, though support for defensive operations continued.
Humanitarian Focus: Increased emphasis on addressing the humanitarian crisis in Yemen, with efforts to facilitate peace talks and provide humanitarian aid.
Lifting Terrorist Designation: The Biden administration revoked the terrorist designation of the Houthis to allow for humanitarian assistance but condemned their attacks and role in prolonging the conflict.
Counterterrorism Continuation: Continued counterterrorism operations against AQAP and ISIS in Yemen, emphasizing targeted drone strikes and intelligence sharing.

Current Status:

Diplomatic Efforts: The U.S. has supported UN-led peace talks and diplomatic efforts to resolve the conflict.
Humanitarian Aid: Significant U.S. contributions to humanitarian aid in response to the ongoing crisis.
Support for Defensive Measures: While offensive support to the coalition has ceased, the U.S. continues to provide defensive aid and support against Houthi missile and drone attacks, particularly those targeting Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

Summary of U.S. Involvement

The U.S. involvement in the Yemen conflict has included:

Support for Saudi-led Coalition: Primarily during the Obama and Trump administrations, through arms sales, intelligence, and logistics.
Counterterrorism Operations: Focused on AQAP and ISIS in Yemen, involving drone strikes and special operations.
Shift in Policy: The Biden administration ceased offensive support for the coalition and emphasized humanitarian aid and diplomatic solutions while continuing defensive support and counterterrorism actions.

The U.S. role has been a mix of military support for allies and direct counterterrorism actions, alongside evolving efforts to address humanitarian concerns and support peace initiatives.

^ So is that at least one layer underlying the Houthi attacks? Biden stopped funding and supporting the Saudis and in return they are allowing the Iranians to smuggle arms to Houthis to attack shipping? This is just a rabbit hole of intrigue in the Middle East :|\\

How has Biden's shift in policy with the Saudis affected the conflict with the Houthi rebels?

BidenÂ’s shift in policy regarding U.S. support for Saudi Arabia in the Yemen conflict has had several key effects on the dynamics of the conflict with the Houthi rebels. HereÂ’s a detailed analysis of these impacts:

Biden's Policy Shift:

Ending Offensive Support:

February 2021 Announcement: President Biden announced an end to U.S. support for offensive operations by the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen. This included halting certain arms sales and ceasing logistical and intelligence support for coalition airstrikes.
Focus on Defensive Support: The U.S. continues to provide defensive support to Saudi Arabia, including assistance against Houthi missile and drone attacks.

Humanitarian and Diplomatic Focus:

Humanitarian Aid: Increased U.S. efforts to provide humanitarian aid to Yemen and address the severe humanitarian crisis.
Diplomatic Efforts: Renewed focus on supporting UN-led peace talks and engaging in diplomatic efforts to negotiate an end to the conflict.

Revocation of Houthi Terrorist Designation:

February 2021 Decision: The Biden administration revoked the terrorist designation of the Houthis to facilitate humanitarian aid and reduce obstacles to peace negotiations.

Effects on the Conflict with Houthi Rebels:

**1. Reduction in Coalition Airstrikes:

Decrease in Offensive Operations: The reduction in U.S. support for offensive operations led to fewer Saudi-led coalition airstrikes, impacting the overall military pressure on Houthi forces.
Impact on Houthi Gains: This shift allowed the Houthis to solidify their control over parts of northern Yemen, including the capital, Sanaa, and intensified their military campaigns, especially around Marib.

**2. Increased Houthi Aggressiveness:

Missile and Drone Attacks: The Houthis continued and even increased their missile and drone attacks on Saudi Arabian infrastructure, including oil facilities and airports, likely to pressure the Saudis and gain leverage in peace negotiations.
Border Clashes: There have been continued clashes along the Yemen-Saudi border, with the Houthis targeting Saudi border regions.

**3. Impact on Humanitarian Situation:

Facilitation of Aid: The revocation of the terrorist designation for the Houthis helped facilitate the delivery of humanitarian aid to Houthi-controlled areas by reducing the legal and logistical challenges faced by aid organizations.
Continued Crisis: Despite increased aid efforts, the humanitarian situation in Yemen remains dire, with ongoing blockades and fighting contributing to widespread food insecurity and displacement.

**4. Diplomatic Engagements:

Peace Talks: The Biden administrationÂ’s emphasis on diplomatic solutions and humanitarian issues reinvigorated international efforts to mediate peace. However, significant progress has been limited due to entrenched positions of both the Houthis and the Saudi-led coalition.
UN Role: The U.S. has supported the UNÂ’s efforts to broker a ceasefire and facilitate dialogue between the conflicting parties, although lasting resolutions have been elusive.

**5. Regional Dynamics:

Saudi Military Adjustments: Saudi Arabia has adjusted its military strategy, focusing more on defensive measures and air defense systems to counter Houthi attacks, as well as seeking a negotiated settlement.
IranÂ’s Influence: The Houthis' continued military activities are partly sustained by support from Iran, complicating peace efforts and contributing to regional tensions.

**6. Strategic Implications:

Balance of Power: The reduced U.S. support for Saudi offensive operations has arguably led to a more balanced power dynamic on the ground, forcing both sides to consider diplomatic solutions more seriously.
Continued Conflict: Despite the policy shift, the conflict remains unresolved, with intermittent ceasefires and ongoing skirmishes, and the Houthis continuing to assert control over significant parts of Yemen.

Summary:

BidenÂ’s policy shift has resulted in a decrease in U.S. support for offensive operations, leading to fewer coalition airstrikes and influencing the dynamics of the conflict in Yemen:

Military Impact: Reduced offensive pressure on the Houthis allowed them to consolidate their control and continue their aggressive tactics, particularly missile and drone attacks on Saudi targets.
Humanitarian Aid: Improved facilitation of aid deliveries to Yemen, although challenges remain due to the ongoing conflict.
Diplomatic Efforts: Increased emphasis on diplomatic and humanitarian solutions has reinvigorated peace efforts but has not yet led to a conclusive end to the conflict.

The policy shift represents a significant change in U.S. involvement in the Yemen conflict, focusing more on ending hostilities through diplomatic means rather than supporting military escalation.

Rockstar

06-10-24, 06:33 PM

Obviously the people running the All Great and Powerful Artificial Intelligence don’t read the news and instead seem content to just create an alternate reality also show no concern for what is affecting people in the country we live in.

Because as a candidate, Joe Biden pledged to halt arms sales to Saudi Arabia in an effort to halt the ongoing Saudi-led war against Iranian-backed rebels in Yemen.

When Saudi refused to increase oil production to reduce cost of oil. Biden then promised Saudi Arabia would suffer “consequences” after the Saudi-led OPEC+ oil cartel announced it would cut production even further.

Having halt arms sales to Saudis placed American forces under fire in the Red Sea by Iranian backed Houthis who have shut down the Red Sea to western commercial commerce.

The Biden administration is now trying to renegotiate a deal with the Saudis. And until that happens price of gas and goods will remain higher.

On the bright side they did place the Houthis back on the terror watch list fixing their screw up when they took them off the terrorist watchlist.

Otto Harkaman

06-10-24, 06:49 PM

Threw your text into the maw of the AI Gods, their response

Here's a supported summary of the provided statements, with references:
Joe Biden's Campaign Pledge to Halt Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia

Statement: During his presidential campaign, Joe Biden pledged to halt arms sales to Saudi Arabia to pressure the kingdom into ending the conflict in Yemen.
Supporting Evidence:

The Washington Post reported on Biden’s campaign promises to treat Saudi Arabia as a "pariah" and halt arms sales to pressure the end of the Yemen conflict .
Reuters noted Biden’s stance during his campaign to reassess the U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia, including stopping arms sales .

Biden's Reaction to Saudi Arabia's Oil Production Decisions

Statement: When Saudi Arabia refused to increase oil production, Biden promised Saudi Arabia would suffer "consequences" after OPEC+ decided to cut production.
Supporting Evidence:

CNBC highlighted Biden’s warning of "consequences" for Saudi Arabia following the OPEC+ decision to cut oil production, which was seen as a move that would raise global oil prices .
NPR detailed Biden's criticism of Saudi Arabia’s alignment with Russian interests on oil production cuts and his warning of potential repercussions .

Impact of Halting Arms Sales on American Forces in the Red Sea

Statement: The halt in arms sales to Saudi Arabia exposed American forces to attacks in the Red Sea by Iranian-backed Houthis, affecting Western commercial commerce.
Supporting Evidence:

CNN reported that the Biden administration initially paused significant arms sales to Saudi Arabia, aiming to recalibrate relations amid concerns over the Yemen conflict .
Al Jazeera covered increased attacks by the Houthis in the Red Sea region and the broader impact on shipping routes, noting the Houthis’ use of Iranian-supplied weaponry .

Biden Administration's Renegotiation with Saudi Arabia and Economic Implications

Statement: The Biden administration is renegotiating a deal with Saudi Arabia, and until an agreement is reached, the price of gas and goods will remain higher.
Supporting Evidence:

The Wall Street Journal discussed ongoing U.S. diplomatic efforts to stabilize relations with Saudi Arabia amidst economic pressures and high energy prices .
Bloomberg mentioned the Biden administration's efforts to negotiate with Saudi Arabia on various fronts, including oil production and regional security .

Houthis Re-listed on Terror Watch List

Statement: The Biden administration placed the Houthis back on the terrorist watchlist, correcting their earlier decision to remove them.
Supporting Evidence:

The New York Times and The Guardian reported on the Biden administration's contemplation and subsequent actions to re-list the Houthis as a terrorist organization following their removal early in Biden’s term .
BBC confirmed the re-designation of the Houthis on the terror list in response to escalating attacks and the need to curb their militant activities .

References

Al Jazeera. Attacks by Houthis in the Red Sea.
Bloomberg. Biden's Negotiations with Saudi Arabia.
CNBC. Biden Warns Saudi Arabia of Consequences.
The Guardian. Re-listing Houthis on Terror List (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/23/us-reconsidering-houthi-terror-listing).
The Washington Post. Biden's Campaign Promises.
The New York Times. US-Saudi Relations and Yemen (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/06/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-biden-oil.html).
NPR. Biden's Criticism of Saudi Oil Cuts.

This summary and the references aim to provide context and support for the discussed topics regarding U.S. policy, Saudi relations, and regional impacts under the Biden administration.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIG1.ZXI4M5tHpDe8q_Bb6f9P?pid=ImgGn

Thanks Rock, I didn't know all this, hadn't caught my attention

ET2SN

06-11-24, 03:17 AM

That’s a serious disconnect.....deserve better

What's with the diatribe? At most, I'm only worth a paragraph or a couple of sentences. :doh:

Hey, speakin' of, guess who's getting sentenced on my birthday? :yep::woot:

Its like the Illuminati sent me a card.

:Kaleun_Cheers:

Rockstar

06-11-24, 09:56 AM

Thanks Rock, I didn't know all this, hadn't caught my attention

It’s what happens when we allow ourselves to be guided by The Great Powerful Oz rather than relying on our own due diligence and gathering the necessary facts to make a wise and informed decision. Which we don’t always get right but that’s what forums like this is supposed to be for.

AI is a joke. Challenge anything it produces, reply that it’s stupid, lying or input more evidence or questions contrary to its first response and it will eventually give an answer a 180 degrees out from its original conclusion. It’s hilarious how easy and fun it is to manipulate so please don’t rely on it for anything.

Ask the AI if it knows the difference between a truth and a lie. It readily admits it can’t and just spews out whatever words other people put into it.

Rockstar

06-11-24, 05:11 PM

It sounds like you're expressing skepticism about the reliability and integrity of AI, particularly in its ability to provide consistent, accurate, or truthful information. This concern touches on important aspects of AI's functioning and limitations. Let's unpack this a bit.
How AI Works

AI models, like the one you're interacting with, operate by analyzing vast amounts of data to identify patterns and generate responses. Here’s a summary of how they function:

Data-Driven: AI responses are based on patterns and knowledge from the data on which they were trained, encompassing a wide range of sources and inputs.
Pattern Recognition: AI uses algorithms to recognize patterns and make predictions based on the context and information provided in the query.
Contextual Understanding: AI attempts to understand the context to generate relevant and coherent responses, but it doesn't have personal experiences or subjective consciousness.
Generative: AI generates text by predicting the next word or phrase based on the input it receives, using statistical probabilities derived from its training data.

Limitations

Lack of True Understanding: AI doesn't "understand" truth or lies in the human sense. It doesn't have beliefs or consciousness but generates responses based on training data.
Response Variability: If asked contradictory or leading questions, AI might provide different answers because it tries to respond to each query in a contextually appropriate manner, sometimes leading to perceived inconsistency.
Bias and Data Quality: The quality and biases in the training data can affect the responses. If the data contains inaccuracies, the AI might reflect those.
Manipulation: AI can be influenced by the way questions are posed, potentially leading to varied answers if the context is shifted or the AI is led down different paths.

Ensuring Reliability

Critical Thinking: Users should critically evaluate AI outputs and cross-check with reliable sources.
Supplementary Tool: AI should be used as a tool for assistance and not as the sole source of truth. It can provide insights or starting points for further research.
Transparency: Understanding AI’s limitations can help users better interpret its responses and know when to rely on it and when to seek additional verification.

Example of AI’s Response to Truth and Lies

Q: Does AI know the difference between a truth and a lie?
A: AI models do not inherently know the difference between truth and lies as humans do. They generate responses based on patterns in data without a genuine understanding of truthfulness. AI relies on its training data and the way questions are posed to provide answers, and while it can generate information that aligns with factual knowledge, it does not have the capacity to discern truth from falsehood on its own.
Q: Can AI responses be inconsistent?
A: Yes, AI responses can sometimes appear inconsistent because they are generated based on different inputs, contexts, and the specific way questions are asked. This variability is a function of the AI's attempt to adapt its responses to the input it receives.
Conclusion

Your point about relying on due diligence and gathering facts is crucial. AI should augment human effort in gathering information and making decisions, not replace it. Engaging with AI critically and understanding its operational mechanics can enhance its utility while mitigating potential shortcomings.

Thing is AI has nothing to do with politics here or abroad.

But I’ll entertain you. When I query AI with the question “do you lie?” I get the following. “The information I provide is based on a vast dataset collected from various sources, but I can't guarantee the absolute truthfulness of every piece of information. “

In other words AI is going to tell you what its developers want you to hear. The human brain is so much better at sifting through the bull****.

Otto Harkaman

06-11-24, 05:13 PM

^ "AI relies on its training data and the way questions are posed to provide answers"

I am just having fun toying with it, got to play with it to find out what its about. Where you quoted me I am going to delete the original, looks like a vast wall of text.

Catfish

06-11-24, 05:17 PM

[...] When I query AI with the question “do you lie?” [...]
The answer should be "Why do you?"

Rockstar

06-11-24, 05:24 PM

Unfortunately I’ve already had too many whisky’s to ask proper questions.

You ask AI, you’re European as a second language you probably know proper english better than I do. :D

Rockstar

06-11-24, 05:36 PM

How the government and a jury sees a defendant. Which I’m sure applies to every nation and human on earth. Long but worth it. It’s not as infallible or impartial as many believe. But it’s the best we can do I guess.

https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

u crank

06-11-24, 05:55 PM

Unfortunately I’ve already had too many whisky’s to ask proper questions.

Cheers my man. I stripped shingles off my nephew's roof today at age 73 so I'm a couple of double vodkas into the evening.

:()1:

:salute:

mapuc

06-11-24, 06:02 PM

Rockstar

06-11-24, 06:26 PM

Biden's son Hunter Biden have been found guilty on all counts

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/hunter-biden-trial-06-11-24/index.html

His Father the President, have said he will not pardon him.

Now I'm curious I thought it had to be a federal crime in order to be pardoned and the case with Hunter Biden should be a state crime and I have read that a President can't pardon people who are found guilty in a state crime.

Or is it me who has got everything wrong ?

Markus

What you have wrong and why this doesn’t belong in a political thread is that Hunter Biden has absolutely nothing to do with current domestic or foreign affairs and policy. He is not an elected official nor has he ever held office nor to the best of my knowledge ever intended too. He has absolutely nothing to do with the executive, legislative or judicial branch of our government or their decisions made on our behalf.

He is a private citizen in trouble with the law. His problems are not mine and do not in anyway affect mine or anyone’s else life. It’s like someone posting about the Charles Manson verdict, it doesn’t matter to me or belong in a political thread.

The Hunter Biden drama is in my opinion like Billy Carter, a side show and distraction.
https://i.ibb.co/WVN6bVG/IMG-0077.jpg

mapuc

06-11-24, 06:43 PM

I'm sorry I didn't know.

Markus

August

06-11-24, 11:22 PM

Biden's son Hunter Biden have been found guilty on all counts

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/hunter-biden-trial-06-11-24/index.html

His Father the President, have said he will not pardon him.

Now I'm curious I thought it had to be a federal crime in order to be pardoned and the case with Hunter Biden should be a state crime and I have read that a President can't pardon people who are found guilty in a state crime.

Or is it me who has got everything wrong ?

Markus

Actually Markus it wasn't state but federal crimes that he was charged with. Lying on the the ATF form 4473 which is the federal government form you have to fill out in order to purchase a gun is a felony as is being a drug user while in possession of a firearm and he was tried for those crimes in federal court. The trial was held in Delaware as that is within the Federal district where he purchased the gun.

That means that his dad as POTUS does indeed have the legal power to pardon or commute Hunters sentence.

While the President has said he would not pardon him it's difficult to see how Old Joe would pay any political penalty if he were to do so. Especially if he turns out to be a lame duck come December.

em2nought

06-12-24, 12:01 AM

What I want to know is who is the dude in the sequin dress? Is this the true "Wizard of Oz"? Is this the guy pulling all the strings behind Sleepy Joe & Kamala? :har:

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1o0dJe.img?w=534&h=356&m=6&x=736&y=239&s=865&d=500

What you have wrong and why this doesn’t belong in a political thread is that Hunter Biden has absolutely nothing to do with current domestic or foreign affairs and policy. He is not an elected official nor has he ever held office nor to the best of my knowledge ever intended too. He has absolutely nothing to do with the executive, legislative or judicial branch of our government or their decisions made on our behalf.

Hunter has everything to do with it. He's part of the reason we're entangled in Ukraine. His trial was probably just so they can say "See the DOJ isn't corrupt." "Democrats can be found guilty too", or maybe it was just to get some sympathy votes for dear ol' dad.

Rockstar

06-12-24, 12:16 AM

Y’al sound exactly like Vienna an Buddhaid but on the opposite end of the spectrum. :har::har::har:

em2nought

06-12-24, 02:23 AM

Y’al sound exactly like Vienna an Buddhaid but on the opposite end of the spectrum. :har::har::har:

Our very own version of checks and balances :D

ET2SN

06-13-24, 03:20 AM

mapuc

06-13-24, 06:32 AM

^ Not only in USA, it is being done all over the world.

Markus

Rockstar

06-13-24, 12:10 PM

I found this vid today. :hmmm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M87rIJWuUtw

It *kind of* belongs in this thread but it would also fit in the Ukraine thread. :yep:

Its a good overview of where a lot of the right-wing talking points originate from. Its also a good overview on how Propaganda, especially Russian Propaganda, works.

Enjoy. :yeah:

Ah the ol’ Hitler drank water. You drink water. Therefore you must be a nazi too argument. :haha:

You and Alex Jones would make a great point/counter point show Manchurian candidates galore! Honestly I’m not sure what’s more divisive you and that video or Putin.

IMO there is little difference between the comments and behavior of Majorie Taylor Greene and those of Rashida Tlaib who openly called for the genocide of Israel.

Have they and the squad all gone off the deep end? Or are they just scraping the bottom of the barrel gathering potential voters? Even the few kook fringe and high heeled freaks like to feel they’re represented and the only two political parties in this country know that. But rest assured we can always count on some extremist’s click bait to demonize people who wear hats, congress, entire political parties and or voter base on account of the opinions of a few.

Rockstar

06-18-24, 10:29 AM

American public never hears about what’s going on “because of what Washington euphemistically calls these concerns “host nation sensitivities,” a catch-all term for why the American people don’t need to be provided an explanation in this case, for why troop levels are rapidly increasing in the Middle East again”.

War Powers Resolution Reporting Project

https://warpowers.lawandsecurity.org/

War Powers Reporting by President,
Purpose/Mission, and Domestic Legal Authority

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 requires Presidents to notify Congress within 48 hours of sending U.S. armed forces into hostilities or certain other situations abroad, and to provide specific information about those deployments. These “48-hour reports” are a primary means for Congress to ensure transparency and create the possibility of meaningful oversight of the President’s use of U.S. armed forces abroad.

War Powers Resolution Reporting Project

The War Powers Resolution (WPR) is a landmark statute passed after the Vietnam War. Its aim is to restore the constitutional balance between Congress and the President in deciding when the nation goes to war. To create the transparency necessary for achieving this goal, the WPR requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of introducing U.S. armed forces into hostilities, deploying combat-equipped forces, or substantially enlarging those deployments (“48-hour reports”).

This project creates the first publicly accessible, searchable database analyzing the contents of all unclassified 48-hour reports submitted to Congress since the WPR was enacted over 45 years ago (more than 100 in total). The living database enables us to assess key questions about presidential exercise of war powers: Where and why are Presidents deploying armed forces abroad? How often do Presidents rely solely on their own constitutional authority to do so, and is that authority being stretched? Has reporting fulfilled the WPR’s requirements? In what ways are the WPR’s requirements insufficient to inform Congress of how the President is using our armed forces abroad, and in what ways is the WPR succeeding in providing meaningful transparency? Answers to these questions illuminated by this project will help lay the foundation for future study and reform.

Locations of WPR-Reported Activity by Administration

The map shows all 48-hour WPR reports for each presidential term since the WPR's enactment, displayed by reported location. It reflects geographic boundaries at the time of the relevant report(s). Use the timeline to see specific terms or play through all.

*Note: The map does not include visual representation of two 48-hour reports: the Sept. 24, 2001 reported deployment of "various combat-equipped and combat support forces to a number of foreign nations in the Central and Pacific Command areas of operations," as it included no specific locations within those areas; and the Jan. 5, 2024 report, as it did not provide a location.

All reports

https://warpowers.lawandsecurity.org/reports/

bstanko6

06-20-24, 01:52 AM

What you have wrong and why this doesn’t belong in a political thread is that Hunter Biden has absolutely nothing to do with current domestic or foreign affairs and policy. He is not an elected official nor has he ever held office nor to the best of my knowledge ever intended too. He has absolutely nothing to do with the executive, legislative or judicial branch of our government or their decisions made on our behalf.

He is a private citizen in trouble with the law. His problems are not mine and do not in anyway affect mine or anyone’s else life. It’s like someone posting about the Charles Manson verdict, it doesn’t matter to me or belong in a political thread.

The Hunter Biden drama is in my opinion like Billy Carter, a side show and distraction.
https://i.ibb.co/WVN6bVG/IMG-0077.jpg

He’s a private citizen, but his dad is the head of the country. So his dealings with China, a country that we have issues with, might be a big problem.

Rockstar

06-20-24, 08:46 AM

…. So his dealings with China, a country that we have issues with, might be a big problem.

Really, how so? Do you think the Crackhead will sway current bipartisan support of Taiwan towards favoring Chinese expansion? Any bets this argument will go down the road of the other kook fringe rants over pee tapes, collusion or how everyone is under Putin control if you don’t agree with them?

August

06-20-24, 08:51 AM

He’s a private citizen, but his dad is the head of the country. So his dealings with China, a country that we have issues with, might be a big problem.

Not to mention that he makes his money by selling access to his dad.

mapuc

06-21-24, 03:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VDR1lgZpo

Markus

Rockstar

06-21-24, 04:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VDR1lgZpo

Markus

Your joking right or are you just trolling?, The Military Show, multiple admins, nothing known about author of the video or channel and you thought it somehow important to post that anonymous pointless garbage here, really?

mapuc

06-21-24, 04:42 PM

Your joking right or are you just trolling?, The Military Show, multiple admins nothing known about author of the video and you thought it somehow important to post that anonymous pointless garbage here, really?

Neither. More like ignorant to the topic I admit.

I saw the video in my YT feed and saw around 5 minutes of the video, when I decided it could be interesting to post it in our US-Politics thread, because we have been discussing 2nd civil war in the US now and then.

Markus

Rockstar

06-21-24, 04:56 PM

Neither. More like ignorant to the topic I admit.

I saw the video in my YT feed and saw around 5 minutes of the video, when I decided it could be interesting to post it in our US-Politics thread, because we have been discussing 2nd civil war in the US now and then.

Markus

Nobody that I know of talks about civil war, elected officials or candidates don't talk about civil war, civil war is not in any U.S. local or national media. So what would make you think I or anyone in this country would want to discuss something that is not in our nations happening folder?

I’m wary of any anonymous shows posted by Europeans that declines to identify its operators or sources. The video is pointless crap and has nothing to do with reality, U.S. domestic, foreign policy or election campaigns. Maybe you can start a new fantasy what if thread and post stuff like that there.

In the real world we have wars, inflation, massive debt, high energy, food, housing prices reaching records highs, bankruptcy at all time highs, border and immigration problems and a presidential debate coming up with its own unique fanboy drama attached.

Buddahaid

06-21-24, 09:53 PM

Jimbuna

06-23-24, 12:18 PM

Trump's Promise if Re-Elected: "The Largest Deportation Operation in U.S. History"

Five days before the presidential debate, former President Donald Trump once again made immigrants the focus of his campaign, as he did in 2016.

At a large rally in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the Republican candidate reiterated his promise to "initiate the largest deportation operation in U.S. history" and to close the southern border if re-elected according to El Espaniol.

Using the same strategy that helped propel his previous campaign, Trump accused immigrants of being the root of the country's biggest problems.

Blaming Immigrants for National Issues
In his speech, Trump referred to many immigrants as "drug dealers, gang members, and murderers," falsely claiming they take jobs away from Americans, especially Latinos and African Americans.
He cited recent incidents involving foreign suspects, such as the murder of 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray in Houston, Texas, for which two Venezuelans were arrested and charged.

"They crossed our border claiming to fear for their lives in Venezuela, but you know, crime in Venezuela has gone down... because they've brought all the criminals here," he said to applause.

Controversial Proposals and Criticism of Biden
Trump also mentioned the arrest of an Ecuadorian accused of raping a 13-year-old girl in New York, and recent charges against a Salvadoran for the rape and murder of Rachel Morin, a mother of five in Maryland.

In a joking tone, Trump suggested immigrants should have their own fighting league similar to the UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship), proposing to his friend Dana White, UFC's president, to create a competition for immigrants that would be highly profitable.

"You're going to start a new fighting league with only immigrants... and at the end of the year, the immigrant champion will fight your champion (the UFC's), and I hate to tell you Dana, but I think the immigrant will win. That's how tough they are," Trump quipped, continuing his rhetoric that new arrivals are violent.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-s-promise-if-re-elected-the-largest-deportation-operation-in-u-s-history/ar-BB1oJiRf?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=105b98b1d530496cb5942215c5af1f13&ei=29

Rockstar

06-23-24, 08:17 PM

"Nobody that I know of talks about civil war, elected officials or candidates don't talk about civil war, civil war is not in any U.S. local or national media. So what would make you think I or anyone in this country would want to discuss something that is not in our nations happening folder?"

Jan 6th insurrection/riot/Mrs. Chulsits third grade field trip.... I believe my eyes in this matter.

What have your eyes seen? I ask this because I’ve looked at the court records and out of the reported 80,000 people attending the rally only 2 people were charged with sedition. Another 1400 or so people have been charged with basically what amounts to trespassing & disruption the other 78,600 or so people who exercised their constitutional right to assemble went home and watched the same thing you did. Contrary to what your eyes saw on tour favorite media sources and party fanboys have declared NOBODY has ever been charged with insurrection nor has your arch enemy ever been accused of it. It’s a sham and the kook fringe extremists are living a fantasy all their own demonize an entire law abiding voter population,

"In the real world we have wars, inflation, massive debt, high energy, food, housing prices reaching records highs, bankruptcy at all time highs, border and immigration problems and a presidential debate coming up with its own unique fanboy drama attached."

I'm looking forward to the debate too. But the preceding loud and relentless whining of how FOX news is biased and unfair is just more kook fringe pointless arguments.

Anyway, a shot across yer bow for the weekend. :arrgh!:

I’m looking forward to the debates too. BUT, I don’t give a sheet about the Blue Anon Alex Jones style kook fringe whining and arguments about FOX News or any other media source. IMO only fools believe a talking head’s opinion matters.

Ok , too many whiskys, gotta go. :)

Rockstar

06-25-24, 07:31 PM

https://youtu.be/zdpp8gSapwI

Jimbuna

06-26-24, 08:43 AM

Trump's Plan For The Presidency, In His Own Words

Mass expulsions? Political revenge? World peace? A new golden age? As Donald Trump vies for another term in the White House, America is abuzz with speculation over how life might look with the ex-president back at the helm.

In a series of interviews and campaign rallies, the Republican has offered some clues.

Here are Trump's plans for the United State and the world, as set out by the candidate himself.

President Joe Biden's rival in November's election has pledged to launch the biggest deportation operation of illegal migrants in US history on his first day in office.

"We're going to get them out as fast as we can," he has said, accusing undocumented migrants of "poisoning the blood of our country."
The 78-year-old, known for his unfinished border wall project, has said he would be happy to "use the military" as part of the effort and would open detention camps to process targets for expulsion.

"On day one of my new term in office, I will sign an executive order making clear to federal agencies that under the correct interpretation of the law, going forward the future children of illegal aliens will not receive automatic US citizenship," he said in a campaign video.

He has confirmed he also plans to reinstate his ban on entries from several Muslim-majority countries, as a means of "keeping terrorists the hell out of our country."

Trump has been saying for months he could end the war in Ukraine in "24 hours," without explaining how.

Critics suggest his plan would involve pressuring Kyiv to cede territory illegally occupied by Russia in both 2014 and 2022.

"I will have that settled prior to taking the White House," he told a rally in the midwestern city of Detroit recently. "As president-elect, I will have that settled."

The ex-president is highly critical of Washington's shipments of weapons worth billions of dollars to Kyiv, and of the funding requests from Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky.

"It never stops", he told the Michigan crowd.

Asked in a town hall with Fox News whether he would remain committed to NATO during a second term, he replied: "Depends if they treat us properly."

Trump envisages tariffs of "more than 10 percent" on all imports.

US companies -- and eventually their customers -- pay for import tariffs, not the companies exporting the goods.

Trump insists that the revenue collected will finance a "middle class, upper class, lower class, business class big tax cut."

Having waged a fierce trade war with China during his first term, he also plans to revoke the Asian giant's "most favored nation" status, granted to promote trade.

Trump claims he will "stop inflation by stopping the invasion," arguing that his immigration crackdown will reduce housing costs and other expenses.

Trump never misses an opportunity to point out that it is partly thanks to him -- and his three conservative Supreme Court appointments -- that abortion rights have been considerably weakened in the United States.

But he is more ambiguous about the future of access to reproductive health care.

Insisting it should be an issue for the individual states, the Republican has balked at pushing a nationwide abortion ban, a commitment that would win him support from the religious right.

"You must follow your heart on this issue but remember, you must also win elections," he said in April.

Trump slammed the door on the 2015 Paris climate accords during his first term.

If reelected, he said at a rally earlier this month, he "will stop Biden's wasteful spending and rapidly terminate the green new scam" -- a reference to the funding committed by his successor to mitigating climate change.

"I will repeal crooked Joe Biden's insane electric vehicle mandate and we will 'drill, baby, drill,'" Trump told supporters in Wisconsin, using an old Republican slogan.

"Energy costs will come down very quickly," he vowed. "In many cases we'll be cutting your energy costs in half."

Trump, who was convicted in May of felony business fraud and faces three further indictments, has baselessly and repeatedly claimed his various prosecutions are a political witch hunt by Democrats.

The Republican has pledged to "appoint a real special 'prosecutor' to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the USA, Joe Biden."

No investigation has produced evidence of any wrongdoing by Biden.

He also said he was "absolutely" ready to pardon all the Trump supporters convicted of storming the US Capitol in Washington to prevent Congress from certifying the Republican's 2020 presidential election defeat to Biden.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-s-plan-for-the-presidency-in-his-own-words/ar-BB1oU84b?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=f9714b23bb1444f582df744980b2b9d9&ei=54

Rockstar

06-26-24, 10:13 AM

FACTSHEET: FINAL FY23 NUMBERS SHOW WORST YEAR AT AMERICA’S BORDERS—EVER

October 26, 2023

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, the House Committee on Homeland Security released its latest “Startling Stats” factsheet outlining U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s (CBP) September and Fiscal Year (FY) 2023 border encounter data. In the final month of FY2023, CBP recorded 269,735 encounters at the Southwest border, marking another unprecedented milestone under Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and President Joe Biden’s open-borders policies. This monthly number also represents an 86% increase from June 2023, when the Biden administration celebrated a short-lived drop in illegal crossings following the end of Title 42.

The annual numbers proved just as catastrophic. In FY23, CBP recorded more than 2.4 million encounters at the Southwest border and more than 3.2 million encounters nationwide.

Just this fiscal year, 169 individuals on the terrorist watchlist were apprehended attempting to enter the country illegally, and at least 1.7 million known gotaways have evaded apprehension since FY2021.

Americans did not need more proof that Biden and Mayorkas’ post-Title 42 strategy had failed, but unfortunately, that’s exactly what we have gotten.

As this disaster spirals further out of control, the Biden administration does not know how many dangerous illegal aliens are entering the country undetected, especially as Border Patrol agents are being pulled off the front lines to help process and release the historic number of illegal aliens flooding the border. While monthly apprehensions and encounters continue to increase, Mayorkas simply continues to double down on his mass-parole programs, incentivizing and facilitating the entry of otherwise inadmissible aliens into the United States at a scale never before seen.

Key Facts:

Encounters at the Southwest border (SWB) in FY2023 increased over 40% since FY2021, 4% compared to FY2022, and more than 100% compared to FY2019.

Last month, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) reported a 40% increase compared to September 2021 and 18% compared to September 2022.

Since President Biden took office, there have been 7.5 million encounters nationwide and 6.2 million encounters at the Southwest border, in addition to 1.7 million known gotaways.

In FY2023, 169 individuals whose names appear on the terrorist watchlist were stopped trying to cross the U.S.-Mexico border between ports of entry. 18 were apprehended in September alone.

So far in FY2023, CBP has arrested 35,433 aliens with criminal convictions or outstanding warrants nationwide, including 598 known gang members, 178 of those being MS-13 members.

In FY2023, CBP, including Air and Marine Operations, has seized 27,293 pounds of fentanyl, coming across the Southwest border—enough to kill more than 6 billion people.

https://youtu.be/rpx-9LUSmGc

mapuc

06-26-24, 10:24 AM

I don't think it would make any different People who have decided to vote for Trump will vote on him even after this letter signed by 16 nobel price economist have been posted in some American newspaper. I see it more like they are trying to scare these Trump supporters

Sixteen Nobel prize-winning economists have signed a letter warning that the re-election of former United States President Donald Trump would harm the US economy and lead to higher prices for consumers.

In the letter released on Tuesday, the economists said that the Republican candidate would stoke instability and revive high inflation with his “fiscally irresponsible budgets”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/6/26/16-nobel-prize-winning-economists-warn-trump-would-reignite-inflation

Markus

Rockstar

06-26-24, 11:41 AM

I don't think it would make any different People who have decided to vote for Trump will vote on him even after this letter signed by 16 nobel price economist have been posted in some American newspaper. I see it more like they are trying to scare these Trump supporters

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/6/26/16-nobel-prize-winning-economists-warn-trump-would-reignite-inflation

Markus

Likely not many read aljazeera let alone even know or care who these economists are.

The economy already sucks and the cost of living has skyrocketed. Inflation is still higher than desired and may still be a few years before we see it stabilize. Add Biden’s Middle East foreign policy closing down access to the Suez to the mix and shipping prices will cause higher costs and supply chain issues.

Rockstar

06-26-24, 01:02 PM

Marcus I should also add those 13 were the same 13 mindless Biden fanboys that signed a highly-publicized open letter three years ago assuring Americans that Biden's "Build Back Better" spending spree would "ease longer-term inflationary pressures."

Then whoops! 18 months later inflation soared to 9.1% under Biden – the worst U.S. inflation in almost 40 years! And that number doesn’t even include what hits the pocketbook the most, the price of food and gas

This would be the medical equivalent of amputating the wrong leg.

mapuc

06-26-24, 01:23 PM

I bow in defeat, acknowledging that you are right. I didn't think of that when I posted the link. That the inflation in USA is the worst in decades

Also that I used aljazeera was because all the other newspapers would not show their website due to my adblocker

Markus

Rockstar

06-26-24, 10:07 PM

https://youtu.be/VxYTdXozKO8

em2nought

06-26-24, 11:22 PM

I don't think it would make any different People who have decided to vote for Trump will vote on him even after this letter signed by 16 nobel price economist have been posted in some American newspaper. I see it more like they are trying to scare these Trump supporters

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/6/26/16-nobel-prize-winning-economists-warn-trump-would-reignite-inflation

Markus

The more shade they throw at him the more people they drive to his side it seems. If Joe does poorly tomorrow night I expect they'll go ahead and start WW3 before November, and lock up all republican leadership as traitors for some collusion with Russia that they'll have their deep state bros manufacture. Swift sentences to be carried out just like France did for the Templars.

Chyna will just sit back and laugh all the way to the bank. :har:

Skybird

06-27-24, 05:50 AM

Jimbuna

06-27-24, 06:33 AM

While it is only US citizens who will vote, the eleciton result andf the events after announcing them affect dozens if not hundreds of millions beyond the borders as well. And many cannot afford not to be interested in what by formal deifntion should be an inner US affair only. But it cannot be that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp008qzzee1o

That below and the potential knock-on effects being the biggest concern for me.

There is a fear in the UK that a close result on November 5, one that is not accepted as legitimate by many American voters, could lead to political violence worse than the storming of the Capitol in January 2021.

mapuc

06-27-24, 07:09 AM

I still say:

I couldn't care less when it comes Trump as a person and I don't care if he wins or not in the upcoming Presidential election.

Yes the election will have effect on the world scene...but what can we outsider do about it ???

Nothing absolutely nothing.

If you are against Trump then pray he may lose. Nothing more you can do.
You may hate him-This would not prevent him from winning or losing the election.

Markus

Rockstar

06-27-24, 08:48 AM

That below and the potential knock-on effects being the biggest concern for me.

That’s exactly how the kook fringe over here think too. Think about it for a moment it was reported by some in law enforcement up to 80,000 people were exercising their constitutional right to peaceably assemble. Unfortunately what made headlines was how 1.75% of those got uppity and were eventually arrested the majority of which being charged with trespassing & disruption. The other 98.25% had gone home or did not participate in any illegal activity. Yet all were accused of being extremists by the opposition party POTUS and your favorite British government run media fear mongering headlines.

If you need something to be concerned about try building some aircraft carriers that work. There’s also ANOTHER war in Europe to contend with. And reports of sabotage of a factory in Berlin owned by a company that manufactures air-defense systems. THAT is probably something China, Russia and North Korea are laughing at you about.

Jimbuna

06-27-24, 01:18 PM

President Joe Biden and Republican former President Donald Trump will face off tonight in the first televised debate of the election year.

‌This marks the first of two agreed-upon debates in which the candidates will go head-to-head in a moderated discussion on national television.

‌CNN will host the first debate, which gets started this evening at 9 pm ET (1am GMT). It is expected that ABC will host the second debate in September.

‌This debate comes unusually early in the year, before either candidate is officially named as the nominee of his respective party.

‌It airs two weeks before Trump is sentenced for his New York conviction on 34 counts of falsifying business records.

‌It also comes at the end of the Supreme Court’s term, which will include a ruling on whether Trump is immune from federal prosecution for his role in the Capitol insurrection of January 6 2021.

‌Tonight’s event will air live on CNN and will be streamed to CNN International, CNN Max and the CNN website.

‌It can also be viewed through any subscription service carrying CNN such as DirecTV Stream, fuboTV, Sling TV, Spectrum TV, Youtube TV and Hulu with Live TV.

Hopefully it will make better viewing than the senseless crap we have recently witnessed in the UK general election run-up.

Aktungbby

06-27-24, 04:10 PM

...whichever candidate 'wins', the 'Merikan peons lose!:wah:

mapuc

06-27-24, 04:42 PM

It's not all negative if Biden or Trump win the election. There will some positive things too.

That is if you are wealthy
If you are poor there will be no different

Markus

Buddahaid

06-27-24, 06:49 PM

It's not all negative if Biden or Trump win the election. There will some positive things too.

That is if you are wealthy
If you are poor there will be no different

Markus

Trump would trash the US economy which would make a huge difference. Sixteen Nobel winning economists say so and none of the Fortune 100 CEO’s are backing Trump.

Reece

06-27-24, 07:01 PM

Hopefully it will make better viewing than the senseless crap we have recently witnessed in the UK general election run-up.
:har::har:

em2nought

06-27-24, 07:04 PM

So exactly what terrible things happened last time President Trump was in charge that he was responsible for?

Covid doesn't count as the democrats and deep state released that to get rid of him, and even that wasn't enough so they had to illegally change voting rules at the last minute to facilitate their cheatin' ways. :03: It wasn't a wet market bat. :har: It was US government paid for gain of function research in a Chyna lab. How stupid do we have to get to be having Chyna do gain of function research for us?

The election was the insurrection, January 6th was the protest over it. Imagine the best armed block of US citizen staging an unarmed insurrection. LMAO

Rockstar

06-27-24, 07:23 PM

Trump would trash the US economy which would make a huge difference. Sixteen Nobel winning economists say so and none of the Fortune 100 CEO’s are backing Trump.

Umm if you’re listening to CNN right now there are already several callers that disagree with you and those 13 Nobel prize winners. It’s already trashed and as I posted earlier.

.. those 13 your all proud of are the same ones that signed a highly-publicized open letter three years ago assuring Americans that Biden's "Build Back Better" spending spree would "ease longer-term inflationary pressures."

Then whoops! 18 months later inflation soared to 9.1% under Biden – the worst U.S. inflation in almost 40 years! And that 9% number doesn’t even include what hits the pocketbook the most, the price of food and gas, rent.

Rockstar

06-27-24, 07:26 PM

Will say this about CNN’s rules they seem to have made a good attempt to keep the clown show from getting out of hand.

Reece

06-27-24, 07:32 PM

Inflation has gone up everywhere due to the various wars around the world, keeping the US rather busy policing it all. This costs money!! My opinion though. :yep:

MaDef

06-28-24, 12:46 AM

Inflation has gone up everywhere due to the various wars around the world, keeping the US rather busy policing it all. This costs money!! My opinion though. :yep:

To be fair Covid -19 got that ball rolling, and as far as the U.S. is concerned, Trump didn't really help with the "CARES" act in 2020, and Biden piled on with his "build back better" act in 2021. :03:

mapuc

06-28-24, 03:14 AM

How dit it go and how was the discussion after the debate ?

A friend told me that the Dems are in shock over their Presidents performance during this debate- Is this true ?

Edit
My friend was right

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/politik/total-panik-hos-demokraterne/10282576?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

End edit

Markus

Jimbuna

06-28-24, 04:50 AM

Skybird

06-28-24, 05:05 AM

Saw just some lowlights.
Trump bumbled his way through the show like a moose on the way to mating, brutally, stupidly, without style, getting personal and offending, and he simply didn't answer questions he didn't like. Biden is simply no longer in control of himself, clearly senile, senile, with brain failures.
That one of these two remains or becomes master of war and peace is deeply upsetting and shows the depth of the damage already done to the American political system. How dare parties that presume to still maintain the lie that they are concerned with the national common good and security put up such disastrous candidates? And that goes for both parties.

The losers of the next election have already been determined: all Americans who are not among the richest of the rich. And you now what? If you vote for any of these two, you do not deserve it any better.

Democracy never was as ideal as the ideal paints it. But in the present time, may it be in the US or in the EU, it is clearly under assassination attempt. And the murderers are those who get legitimated by the stupid plebs to defend it. No wonder that Western civilization is in free fall everywhere.

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1127923034.4349/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u2.jpg

I would not be surprised if the Democrats panic now and try to change their parachute while they already jumped out of the door of the airplane. With this Biden, they must not even care to go to the elections.

Jimbuna

06-28-24, 05:05 AM

A few clips but if the rest is like this then Biden doesn't look too compos mentis to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq0G1TMCw4Y

Skybird

06-28-24, 05:14 AM

The moderation seems to have been a desaster, too, a total failure. Trump told lies several times, wrong claims should have been corrected, not left echoing on through the air, leaving their footprints in people's memory. The moderators did not do that. Its already bad if it is due to their political bias. But if they did not even perceive it and their audience did no protest, too, then it really is all hopeless, and it proves once again the psychological truth that every lie is believed in the end if it is repeated often and long and loud enough. Volume rules over reasons, stupid.

mapuc

06-28-24, 05:30 AM

Have yet to see it myself but that is also my understanding re Biden.

Found this on YT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqG96G8YdcE

Markus

Jimbuna

06-28-24, 05:36 AM

That's the link I intend watching after I've taken the boss shopping Markus :up:

mapuc

06-28-24, 06:01 AM

Which top politicians among the Dems is the best choice to replace Biden ?

The Vice President ?

Markus

em2nought

06-28-24, 06:50 AM

No matter how somebody tries to spin it, this is the result from last night. :har:

https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-dcvfa4/products/4357/images/6877/Emperor_sm__34509.1645981563.1280.1280__36081.1645 982312.2000.2000.jpg?c=2

Reece

06-28-24, 07:35 AM

Even Putin is clapping!! :har::har:

Bilge_Rat

06-28-24, 07:47 AM

I watched the debate.

I actually don’t think it was that bad for Biden. Yes, he looks old and a bit confused, but he is not seline and could usually get his point accross.

Trump was his usual bullying, “used car salesman” self, but more disciplined than usual. He stayed on message and managed to pivot away from hard questions, like on January 6th, his legal problems, etc. quite adeptly.

But yes, Trump won the debate and quite possibly the election last night.

Onkel Neal

06-28-24, 08:37 AM

Trump would trash the US economy which would make a huge difference. Sixteen Nobel winning economists say so and none of the Fortune 100 CEO’s are backing Trump.

Seriously, that's not how I see it. My pension is fixed. It won't change. But under your President, inflation -- which was entirely avoidable AND predictable after the massive relief spending under Biden -- has effectively reduced my income 20% over the last 3 years.

I'll take my chances with Trump on the economy.

The moderation seems to have been a disaster, too, a total failure. Trump told lies several times, wrong claims should have been corrected, not left echoing on through the air, leaving their footprints in people's memory. The moderators did not do that. Its already bad if it is due to their political bias. But if they did not even perceive it and their audience did no protest, too, then it really is all hopeless, and it proves once again the psychological truth that every lie is believed in the end if it is repeated often and long and loud enough. Volume rules over reasons, stupid.

The moderators are CNN hacks, they cannot be fact checkers. I will agree they should have focused follow up questions on his wild lies, and pressed him over it. But I don't see them in a position to argue with him over it.

Good summary. It makes Nov 7 even more interesting. I am betting the Dems pull Biden if the polls don't reflect him leading.

Man, at the end, I was watching to see if Biden could blink. His eyes were locked. Poor basterd has no business in this race and I'm sure the Dems will retire him in the convention.

Trump has really lost a step too. His discourse was on autoplay, the biggest this, the greatest that, the worst this, in the history of the country! He said a lot of nonsense but Biden's corpse-like performance made him look Churchillian by comparison. He had so many opportunities to elevate himself but as usual, came across like some guy's crazy old uncle.

Can you imagine how this debate would have played if Desantis or Haley were up there? Stupid Republicans. :wah:

mapuc

06-28-24, 09:18 AM

It was the Democrats who wanted this debate-Now I wonder if they aren't regretting it.

Sadly the Americans has only two candidate, one who seems senile and one who seems to be lying. Maybe it's time for the American to look after a third candidate.

FYI
Our politicians is a joke too

Markus

Moonlight

06-28-24, 10:10 AM

Good Grief!, these 2 politicians are not fit to be the President of the USA, out of the 2 of them I'd go for Donald Trump all day long, and that begs the question, who have the Democrats and the Republicans got waiting in the wings to take their places if something happens to these guys?.

I have another question, could Michelle Obama be nominated as a Presidential Candidate?, it doesn't matter if she says she doesn't want the job, I want to know if she can become President, Yes or No.

It wouldn't be Michelle running the country though, it would be the husband who was pulling all the strings, but, there'll be plenty of Presidential experience in the background for Michelle and, I don't see that as an option for anyone else.

She seems to have put some weight on, would that be a problem for her?, it wont be a good look for her looking like she's been living high on the hog while people are potentially going hungry.

https://i.ibb.co/vv7Mw1q/86692421-0-image-a-16-1719569856314.png (https://imgbb.com/)

August

06-28-24, 10:20 AM

could Michelle Obama be nominated as a Presidential Candidate?, it doesn't matter if she says she doesn't want the job, I want to know if she can become President, Yes or No.

Yes but it would require Biden voluntarily step down and release his delegates to vote for her. If the Dems can't talk Joe into doing that he will be their nominee.

mapuc

06-28-24, 11:19 AM

Yes but it would require Biden voluntarily step down and release his delegates to vote for her. If the Dems can't talk Joe into doing that he will be their nominee.

I know there's an Amendment in which the government can remove a sitting President if they don't see this person fit for office. However it can't be done without the Vice Presidents agreement.

Edit
No he can't be removed there's nothing in the text "The U.S. Constitution says the president can be removed from office by Congress for “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanours" mention senile or other psychological problems.
End edit

Markus

Moonlight

06-28-24, 11:33 AM

I'll just let you know that I asked this question to my other 49 neighbours and the majority of them would like to give her one, a nomination that is. :O: As a former landowner of the USA we should be allowed to participate in these elections, Christ, even we can't **** up as much as you have done over the years. :haha:

Rockstar

06-28-24, 12:09 PM

Supreme Court rules that the Justice Department overstepped by charging 300 hundred people with obstruction in the Jan. 6 riot.

Imagine that, Biden DOJ trampling on people’s civil rights, who would’ve thought that possible? :har:

Rockstar

06-28-24, 12:45 PM

Republican Chip Roy has said that today he will introduce resolution calling on VP Harris to start 25 amendment process to remove Biden due to mental incompetency

Jimbuna

06-28-24, 12:58 PM

Rockstar

06-28-24, 01:29 PM

Biden calls Trump a 'a lying, dog-faced pony solider' in Atlanta

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/biden-calls-trump-a-a-lying-dog-faced-pony-solider-in-atlanta/ss-BB1p3lAN?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=fa7b19b69b734d3d823103f61f92da8f&ei=18#image=4

This can't carry on up to the election surely.

Neither of them have been nominated to run for president by their party yet. But Biden has already stated he’s looking to the second debate, can’t wait. Lol

mapuc

06-28-24, 01:57 PM

Republican Chip Roy has said that today he will introduce resolution calling on VP Harris to start 25 amendment process to remove Biden due to mental incompetency

Have it ever happened that a VP have signed a paper to remove a President.

Markus

Rockstar

06-28-24, 02:07 PM

Have it ever happened that a VP have signed a paper to remove a President.

Markus

I think we’ve gone over this before. Removing a sitting president would involve an act of congress and quite possibly an endless amount of litigation before the Supreme Court of the United States. This thing about VP signing a piece of paper amounts to nothing more than a formality for an already agreed upon decision.

Imo Chip Roy’s resolution is not going anywhere, it’s political hay, a nothing burger.

mapuc

06-28-24, 02:38 PM

I think we’ve gone over this before. Removing a sitting president would involve an act of congress and quite possibly an endless amount of litigation before the Supreme Court of the United States. This thing about VP signing a piece of paper amounts to nothing more than a formality for an already agreed upon decision.

Imo Chip Roy’s resolution is not going anywhere, it’s political hay, a nothing burger.

Thank you for the explanation

Yes I think we have discussed this before and now I recall what Platapus said to me.
(From memory)
A President can't be removed without his VP say so and no VP would stab their boss in the back. It have happened before though and this was because the President was very ill and could not fulfill his duty.
(It's possible I'm remembering wrong)

And I who thought he was serious this Republican Chip Roy

Markus

Rockstar

06-28-24, 04:08 PM

The Supreme Court Issues Its Biggest Ruling This Year

Reigning in the alphabet agencies.

https://youtu.be/m6DKOrAEJEw

Rockstar

06-28-24, 04:16 PM

Oh and by the way in response to Biden’s claim.

Border Patrol Union: 'we never have and never will endorse Biden'

Jimbuna

06-29-24, 05:13 AM

Is Joe Biden v Donald Trump really the best the United States, the so-called leader of the free world, can do? - The Irish News view

IT is little wonder that senior Democrats are in open panic after President Joe Biden’s faltering performance in yesterday’s televised debate.

The painful clash with his rival, the convicted felon and former president Donald Trump, confirmed that the invidious choice being put before the American people is between the forgetful and the best-forgotten.

Both of the establishment parties in the US have let down their nation in not only throwing their weight behind candidates who are unsuitable for the job but by also recklessly turning blind eyes to their manifest shortcomings.

This matters most deeply to those living in the United States. But it matters everywhere else too; as the ‘leader of the free world’, the office of US President is of global significance.
It’s one of the reasons why the Biden administration’s kid gloves approach to Israel and its genocidal campaign in Gaza has been so profoundly dismaying. Although uniquely placed to bring some moral leadership into that spiralling catastrophe, US intervention has so far had negligible positive impact.

For us in Ireland, there is an emotional link to the US that goes far beyond the political and economic. Generations of migration and kinship mean that our DNA is woven through the fabric of America. The Irish literally helped build the United States, and we want to ensure it stays standing.

President Biden did get it right when he said that Trump has the morals of an alley cat, a jibe that is, if anything, likely to lead to complaints from disgruntled alley cats

That’s why we can only regret that the defining question in this presidential race is not about policies but personalities, and specifically whether Mr Biden should even be on the ticket.

The incumbent did get it right when he said that Trump has the morals of an alley cat - a jibe that is, if anything, likely to lead to complaints from disgruntled alley cats - but, sadly, Mr Biden’s contributions were distinguished by rambling, unfinished sentences and awkward moments when he seemed to freeze. He was most dynamic during a bizarre exchange about golf handicaps, during which he challenged Trump to a driving contest. It was hard to watch.

Trump, for his part, lied almost every time he spoke. But he didn’t speak as often as we have come to expect; he realised that it was to his advantage when he stayed quiet and Mr Biden did the talking. “I really don’t know what he said at the end of that sentence, and I don’t think he knows what he said either,” said Trump after a meandering answer from Mr Biden.

Less consequential was a debate hosted by BBC NI ahead of our own general election. We learned little new from this, though it gave the publicly-funded broadcaster an opportunity to show it can still host a current affairs programme in front of a live studio audience.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/is-joe-biden-v-donald-trump-really-the-best-the-united-states-the-so-called-leader-of-the-free-world-can-do-the-irish-news-view/ar-BB1p6mic?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=d8646ff4f09f470285a0453da88d7310&ei=94

Jimbuna

06-29-24, 05:40 AM

The man who could be president if Biden steps down

Amid calls for Joe Biden to step down following his catastrophic performance at the presidential debate, one man has hovered around the edges reminding the Democrats that he is there should the 81-year-old commander-in-chief fail. With his Hollywood good looks and perfect wife and family he seems like a president straight out of central casting. But behind the slick (literally) exterior is a seasoned operator accused of ruining California with woke laws, rising crime and who has a very uncomfortable link to the Trumps.

Meet Gavin Newsom, 56, who is in the middle of his second and final term as California's governor. With no re-election campaign to run, Newsom set his sights on nationwide recognition by appearing on TV clashing over social issues with Republicans like Ron DeSantis - and front and center at the presidential debate last night, where he adamantly defended Biden's catastrophic performance. Newsom was basking in the spotlight as he was surrounded by reporters. In one interview, Newsom attacked Trump and said he was a 'serial liar who is responsible for [sexual assault] victims being forced to carry their abuser's child to term'.

He actually has a very intimate connection to the Trump family, as his ex-wife, FOX anchor Kimberly Guilfoyle, is engaged to the former President's son, Donald Trump Jr. Newsom and Guilfoyle were married for five years before their divorce in 2006, while he was the mayor of San Francisco. He has since remarried and had four children with his now-wife Jennifer Siebel Newsom. Since he took over as California's governor in 2019, Newsom has introduced new laws to make the state a sanctuary for women seeking abortions post Roe v Wade as well as a literal green haven by banning the sale of new fossil-fuel cars by 2035.

He also introduced policies beneficial to illegal immigrants, like offering undocumented immigrants the opportunity to get health insurance. Newsom has been harshly criticized for his leadership of the state, with Republicans pointing to the state's $46.8 billion budget deficit, high tax rates, large homeless population and the proliferation of property crimes in its largest cities. While Newsom said that claims that he could replace Biden, 81, were 'farcical,' his appearance has sparked claims that the governor was placed in front of cameras at the debate as part of a plan to take over as the candidate for the Democrats.

Former pre-candidate for president Vivek Ramaswamy said: 'What we witnessed tonight wasn't an accident, it was intentional. Brace yourself for a wild 5 months ahead.' Ramaswamy has been floating around the theory that the Democratic party was planning to replace Biden since last year's Republican debates in November. Many have even theorized that the Democratic party wanted Biden to perform poorly all along to create an exit strategy that would see Newsom become the candidate.

Progressive Bloomberg columnist Erika Smith argued Newsom has been running a shadow campaign as Biden's backup, citing his debate with Florida governor Ron DeSantis and his meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping, which raised his international profile. 'He's doing that thing that all presidential hopefuls do: He is working on a memoir,' Smith argued. Senior party leaders are privately pushing for Newsom or Michelle Obama to step in following Biden's disastrous showing on Thursday.

Biden dismissed calls to leave the race last night - insisting the debate with Trump 'went well' - but behind the scenes the Democrats are in chaos with many pushing the panic button. The governor also dismissed the notion that Biden could be replaced and urged in a fundraising email for the Democrats today: 'Don't look at 30 minutes... look at 3 and a half years of Joe Biden as president.' But he also told reporters after the debate: 'This country, the world, they need us right now to step up and that's exactly what I intend to do,' which some may see as an indication of his White House aspirations.

Newsom's term as California's governor is up in January 2027, and he is a favorite to be one of the top contenders in the 2028 presidential race. His role as one of the Biden campaign's top surrogates has made him a target of Republicans who have repeatedly held up California as an example of Democrats' mismanagement. A few weeks ago a statewide survey from the Public Policy Institute of California found 59 percent of likely voters believed California is headed in the wrong direction while 52 percent disapprove of the way Newsom is handling his job as governor.

The survey was based on responses from 1,098 likely voters with a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points. Outside the office, Newsom portrays himself as a loving father and family man, who happily smiles as he walks hand-in-hand with his wife and their four children Montana, Hunter, Brooklyn and Dutch. Newsom was branded a COVID hypocrite during the pandemic for imposing a mask mandate in schools while Montana and Hunter attended a basketball camp maskless.

Newsom pulled them out of the camp in July 2021, and at the time insisted he 'missed' the email that stated the kids wouldn't have to wear face coverings. It wasn't the only time he was accused of double standards during lockdown, after he was caught having a maskless meal at the lavish French Laundry restaurant.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-man-who-could-be-president-if-biden-steps-down/ss-BB1p5cmb?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=a7a7e4363abb4b728175fa456c8dbfcf&ei=8#image=1

Rockstar

06-29-24, 06:23 AM

The man who could be president if Biden steps down

Dang, no idea you Brits had such difficulty telling the difference between a man and a woman. Problems in the British education system that bad?

Just a quick FYI, if Biden were to step down Kamala Harris would take his place and umm she’s a woman.

This might help you with the birds and the bees.

https://cdn.vectorstock.com/i/1000v/94/37/female-human-anatomy-internal-organs-diagram-vector-16299437.jpg

mapuc

06-29-24, 06:46 AM

Dang, no idea you Brits had such difficulty telling the difference between a man and a woman. Problems in the British education system that bad?

Just a quick FYI, if Biden were to step down Kamala Harris would take his place and umm she’s a woman.

Have to ask-Will She be picked by the Dems to run for office ? Yes she will replace Biden, if he steps down, but She have the office until Jan 20th 2025 if She is not elected-That is if the Dems nominee her or not

Markus

Jimbuna

06-29-24, 07:33 AM

Looks like he won't be getting the vote of at least one family member.

'A criminal and a traitor': Mary Trump urges voters to see her uncle is 'unhinged'

President Biden may have been fighting a cold during Thursday night's debate, but for Mary Trump — Donald Trump can't undo being tarred as a traitor.

The former president's niece's latest Substack write-up titled: "Why I’m still with President Biden: The other guy is a menace" tries not to get stuck on Biden's poor effort during the consequential rematch on the world's stage before 50 million people — one of them standing eight feet away in his Republican rival former President Donald Trump.

"It would be absurd to pretend that President Joe Biden had a good debate last night," she wrote. "I was there — he did not."

But for all the fallout that has the incumbent's base whispering about replacing Biden after he barely could form sentences and often lost his train of thought, Mary Trump still has faith that her uncle can be beat.
Especially if the voters are reminded of who Trump is.

As she writes: "I’ll take hoarse and halting over hate-filled and unhinged every day of the week."

The ex-president's niece didn't pull punches in regard to the CNN moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, whom she accuses of choosing to "abdicate their journalistic responsibility" by not pressing Trump who she describes as "an enemy of American democracy and a free press."

She also wondered why they steered clear of her uncle's historic guilty verdict for falsifying business records to favor more time on "inflation and immigration."

And for her, Biden scored points.

"I do know that Biden called out my uncle for raping [New York writer] E. Jean Carroll and his tanking of the American economy," she wrote. "I do know that Joe Biden is a good man who knows the difference between allies and enemies, freedom and tyranny, and right and wrong."

After Thursday, Mary sees a binary choice in this presidential election: "President Biden had a cold and stumbled badly. Donald Trump is a traitor. The former should not in any way negate the latter."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/a-criminal-and-a-traitor-mary-trump-urges-voters-to-see-her-uncle-is-unhinged/ar-BB1p73zv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=cd5aecba2e8c436a94a7a888c5ed099b&ei=22

Rockstar

06-29-24, 07:42 AM

Have to ask-Will She be picked by the Dems to run for office ? Yes she will replace Biden, if he steps down, but She have the office until Jan 20th 2025 if She is not elected-That is if the Dems nominee her or not

Markus

Until a candidate is officially nominated by their respective party it’s anyone’s guess. I will say this what’s happening now should not be a surprise to anyone. Plenty people here and around the country were well aware there was a problem with Biden’s mental health voicing their concerns before he was even elected, you didn’t need to be a health professional to see it. Honestly anyone who couldn’t see this coming was either deaf, dumb, blind or a fool.

Onkel Neal

06-29-24, 08:10 AM

Yes but it would require Biden voluntarily step down and release his delegates to vote for her. If the Dems can't talk Joe into doing that he will be their nominee.

All they need to do is change the sign on the door from "PULL" to "PUSH". He won't be able to get into the building.

Oh and by the way in response to Biden’s claim.

Border Patrol Union: 'we never have and never will endorse Biden'

Yeah, that's true, and it also highlights the media's bias and failing, they keep harping on the lies Trump told but they gloss over the lies Biden told.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/

2024 presidential debate fact-check: How accurate were Joe Biden, Donald Trump?
With corrections by Onkel Neal

Trump: Biden "allowed millions of people to come in here from prisons, jails and mental institutions."

Pants on Fire! Immigration officials arrested about 103,700 noncitizens with criminal convictions (whether in the U.S. or abroad) from fiscal years 2021 to 2024, federal data shows. That accounts for people stopped at and between ports of entry.

Yeah, we don't have a clue to where many of these people are coming from, they are illegal; aliens that the govt cannot process, which includes comprehensive background checks. It could be 103,000, it could be "millions", who the hell knows?

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Biden: "I've changed (the law) in the way that now you're in a situation where there are 40% fewer people coming across the border illegally."

Mostly True. The Department of Homeland Security announced that illegal immigration encounters dropped by 40%, to fewer than 2,400 each day, in the weeks after Biden announced a policy largely barring asylum access for people entering the U.S. at the southern border. The policy was announced June 4.

BS, That's like saying I don't drink anymore after spending the weekend in jail for a DWI.

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Trump: "We had the safest border in the history of our country."

Mostly False. Illegal immigration between ports of entry at the U.S. southern border dropped in 2017, Trump’s first year in office, compared with previous years. Apprehensions then rose, and dropped again in 2020. When the COVID-19 pandemic started, immigration dropped drastically worldwide as governments enacted policies limiting people’s movement.

In the months before Trump left office, illegal immigration was rising again. A spike in migrants, especially unaccompanied minors, started in the spring 2020 during the Trump administration and generally continued to climb each month.

Holy G-D hell, how stupid are these people? I don't know about "the safest border in the history of our country" because that's one of the stupid things Trump does, he generalizes to the extremes on everything, but the response is way off. " Illegal immigration between ports of entry at the U.S. southern border dropped in 2017, Trump’s first year in office", yeah it did, that makes it safer. "In the months before Trump left office, illegal immigration was rising again. " That's because the Democrats waves the START RACE flag at the southern hemisphere and the illegals were lacing up their sneakers. That's NOT Trump's fault.

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Trump: Biden allowed in "18 million people."

False. Immigration officials have encountered immigrants illegally crossing the border 9.7 million times under Biden’s presidency. When accounting for "got aways" — people who aren’t stopped by border officials — the number rises to about 11.4 million.

Awww freakin hell, this is so stupid. When a guy catches a fish and says it was "this" long, you automatically adjust for reality. When you tell your wife to be ready to leave, you always add 30 mins. And when you try to count people streaming across the border ILLEAGALLY you know there's probably 2X more than they claim.

See, this is why "fact checkers" are total BS.

Torvald Von Mansee

06-29-24, 08:47 AM

I sort of hate Biden. He's weak in some foreign policy: e.g., exchanging Brittney Griner for the Russian Merchant of Death (also, I think the Russians were supposed to exchange an extra person but at the last minute held him back), releasing like SIX BILLION DOLLARS to Iran for like FIVE people, and letting Julian Assange go!?!?!?!? That last thing is absolutely insane. A known Russian agent who should be dead, and at the very least should spend the rest of his days in ADX Florence, and you let him go in an ELECTION YEAR to continue his work to damage the U.S.A. as much as possible?!?! All of these actions just invite MORE of the same behavior from bad actors!! It's absolutely infuriating!! And it sickens me that I HAVE to vote for him, because the alternative is so much worse!!!

mapuc

06-29-24, 09:19 AM

^ Who says you HAVE to put your vote on Biden ?
Truly there must be a third candidate you can put your vote on ?
It would mean a waste vote, you may say. I say no. You have chosen
to put your vote on a politicians who isn't Trump or Biden. Who is better than these two.

Markus

Rockstar

06-29-24, 10:21 AM

I sort of hate Biden And it sickens me that I HAVE to vote for him, because the alternative is so much worse!!!

Instead of emotions, clickbait, and sensational headlines being our guide. Maybe we can vote based on informed decisions. Maybe then we might actually have something grownup to discuss instead of wasting bandwidth on emotional extremist, kook fringe rants & trolls. Because in my opinion that’s what got us here in the first place

“More on Biden/Trump” gives greater depth into policy.

https://www.cfr.org/election2024/candidate-tracker

Unfortunately neither has been nominated yet. But it’s a start I guess.

Dargo

06-29-24, 10:43 AM

mapuc

06-29-24, 11:06 AM

With a winner takes it all voting system, protest voting does not work like we can in Europe.

I know that, they have the same voting system like in the UK.

It was therefore I also wrote
" It would mean a waste vote, you may say. I say no. You have chosen
to put your vote on a politicians who isn't Trump or Biden. Who is better than these two "

Secondly it wasn't meant as a protest vote either.

Trump will win this-That is if the Dems doesn't choose an another candidate e.g. the VP. She would have a chance against Trump I think, with Biden no.

Markus

Rockstar

06-29-24, 11:30 AM

With a winner takes it all voting system, protest voting does not work like we can in Europe.

Protest voting?

It’s called populism, when the population gets fed up and sometimes gets ramped up enough to physically go out and raise hell. Which is why you only hear the politicians currently holding office label populism as something bad.

Our vote isn’t used as a protest, it’s used to get the candidate elected who aligns closest with our wants and needs. Sometimes you feel like a nut sometimes you don’t.

Pretty sure it’s like that in Europe too. Well, at least for the ones you’re allowed to vote for.

Dargo

06-29-24, 12:45 PM

Protest voting?

It’s called populism, when the population gets fed up and sometimes gets ramped up enough to physically go out and raise hell. Which is why you only hear the politicians currently holding office label populism as something bad.

Our vote isn’t used as a protest, it’s used to get the candidate elected who aligns closest with our wants and needs. Sometimes you feel like a nut sometimes you don’t.

Pretty sure it’s like that in Europe too. Well, at least for the ones you’re allowed to vote for.We have proportional representation, which is an electoral system where virtually all votes cast count toward the final proportions of seats. Parties are usually forced to work together, they therefore have to compromise. So that's why as a protest you can vote for a party without having only 2, 3 bad choice. Nothing to do with populism, even if the populists get a lot of votes they have to cooperate with other parties.

Rockstar

06-29-24, 02:09 PM

Dargo

06-29-24, 03:24 PM

I think no matter how you slice it our systems of governance are likely very similar in a lot of respects. Seems to me we’re saying about the same thing just wording it differently.

What you call a protest vote and what I call just simply a vote both pretty much achieves the same result.In countries with proportional representation, parties are usually forced to work together. They must therefore compromise. In countries that have a majority system, after elections, one party is almost always the strongest. That party directly dominates the parliament and the government. As a rule, these countries have only two or three (major) parties. There is a major difference in the kind of government you get with each electoral system.

vienna

06-29-24, 03:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwZBqig2sOU

<O>

Catfish

06-29-24, 04:04 PM

Two professionals at work.

vienna

06-29-24, 04:09 PM

Warning: Some Strong Language...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwqpx6lp_s

<O>

Rockstar

06-29-24, 04:43 PM

In countries with proportional representation, parties are usually forced to work together. They must therefore compromise. In countries that have a majority system, after elections, one party is almost always the strongest. That party directly dominates the parliament and the government. As a rule, these countries have only two or three (major) parties. There is a major difference in the kind of government you get with each electoral system.

Our states have proportional representation based on the current number of residence living in them. For instance California holds more seats in the House of Representatives than Wyoming does because California has more people. And those elected representatives can be from any party.

The representatives are as you say ‘forced’ to work together in the House of Representatives also referred to as the Lower House of Congress or sometimes just congress.

Skybird

06-29-24, 04:45 PM

All they need to do is change the sign on the door from "PULL" to "PUSH". He won't be able to get into the building.

:har:

em2nought

06-29-24, 06:26 PM

Rockstar

06-29-24, 07:20 PM

I'm afraid of what the democrats and their allies are capable of if faced with losing. I think it's in the realm of possibilities that they do something crazy. Look at this fairytale story of a strong capable leader that they've been repeating over and over again for years with them knowing that it's not true.

I repeat what was so wrong with President Trump's last term? What did he do that was so terrible? No wars, getting started on securing the border, making other nations pony up for their own defense, self sufficient in energy, broke @ss Iran with no money to give to all the terrorists. It just doesn't seem like things were all that bad, except he did spend too much.

It’s the President who submits a proposed annual budget to Congress. Not the other way around. Ultimate approval lies with congress. In fact if the president vetos what congress approved. Congress has the power to force their will on the president. Hence the power of a representative government, we don’t do kings.

Jimbuna

06-30-24, 06:00 AM

In countries that have a majority system, after elections, one party is almost always the strongest. That party directly dominates the parliament and the government. As a rule, these countries have only two or three (major) parties. There is a major difference in the kind of government you get with each electoral system.

One like that being the UK and believe me we've had a good number of crap governments. I'd take proportional representation any time.

mapuc

06-30-24, 08:36 AM

Have taken a look in my crystal ball
If Biden is the Dems candidate-Trump will win
If the VP or some other not so old Dems, are their candidate-Dems will win.

This is the truth.

Markus

Otto Harkaman

06-30-24, 10:03 AM

The true nightmare begins :dead:
https://nypost.com/2024/06/18/media/biden-should-replace-kamala-harris-with-hillary-clinton-kathleen-parker/
https://static.politico.com/bd/3f/d87c97e54306afb0738e0e26670e/162710-hillary-clinton-getty-1160.jpg

Jimbuna

06-30-24, 10:13 AM

I wouldn't have thought so, we're just as bad if not even worse.

Story by Victoria-craw
I’m a Brit in the US – Americans would love to have the UK’s leadership options

IN WASHINGTON – The UK is managing to hold an election in six weeks.

The French will soon have accomplished theirs in just one month.

India, with 969 million voters, wrapped everything up in a mere 44 days.

But here in America, with six weeks to go until the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, the country’s political pundits are again speculating about replacing President Joe Biden as the Democratic Party’s standard-bearer, with not a word about the felon with 34 convictions continuing his run.

For this Brit watching Americans grapple with their utterly woeful election campaign, it’s almost hard to remember Ronald Reagan’s 1989 maxim that the United States was a “shining city on the hill”, a democracy so resilient that it should be emulated by other countries.
“We’re the envy of the rest of the world,” barked Biden during last Thursday’s television debate, an event which – over ninety infantile minutes – served as all the proof you could need that his claim was demonstrable nonsense.

“I had to switch it off,” texted one Democrat-supporting friend. “I am absolutely heartbroken,” wrote another. “That’s literally the only word that adequately describes my feelings.”

For senior figures within the country’s permanent, unelected elite, the debate also served as a way-too-late wakeup call. New York Times columnists Thomas Friedman (also “heartbroken”) and Nick Kristof joined the newspaper’s entire Editorial Board and suddenly cashed-in their Biden chips.

Over at The Washington Post, David Ignatius – the high priest of the city’s commentariat – engaged in his own Roman emperor thumbs-down moment. “Biden’s closest counsellors… have an obligation to be honest with him,” he opined, urging the President to summon “the strength and wisdom to step aside”.

The country is now at a dramatic and foreboding crossroads: some observers think Biden will lose in November, and yet Democrats fret that four months is insufficient time to defenestrate him and present voters with a viable alternative to save American democracy.

If anyone still wonders whether the machinery of America’s electoral process is broken beyond repair, that situation alone makes the case. (Pity, by the way, Vice-President Kamala Harris, largely written off as being a viable successor to the man from whose post she remains a mere heart-beat away).

Other indicators of America’s electoral and political dysfunction also ring clear as a bell. Even before Biden’s performance last week, the country was facing four more months of an underwhelming campaign that – by Election Day on November 5th – will have brought the nation to a governing standstill for an entire year.

I know, I know: the timeline is decreed in black-and-white in the still-revered US Constitution. But can anyone seriously imagine that back in the 1770s, the founding fathers would have supported the proposition that one American year in every four should become totally consumed by electioneering that in 2024 alone is expected to soak up expenditure of more than $10bn (£7.9bn).

That’s right: 10 BILLION bucks, as a former UK Prime Minister might put it, “spaffed up the wall” by presidential, congressional and local candidates all seeking to outspend one another in a never-ending spiral of financial and advertising incontinence. The issue never comes up on the campaign trail, while the cash fuels the most dyspeptic, vacuous political campaign in modern US history.

Biden’s relentless fund-raising efforts even continued during the debate itself, with hilarious, unintended consequences. “Joe is facing off… against Donald Trump right now”, wrote First Lady Jill Biden in a pre-planned e-mail that hit inboxes shortly after its first excruciating half-hour. “Isn’t he making you proud?” the e-mail asked, proving that irony in America is as dead-and-buried as her husband’s electoral chances.

By Friday, Robert DeNiro was getting in on the act. It remains an unexplained facet of Election 2024 that the Biden campaign thinks there are American voters who take their cue from him, but it’s safe to say that the last thing Democratic Party supporters needed the morning after the night before was yet another plea for money from the star of – among other films – Meet the Fockers.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/i-m-a-brit-in-the-us-americans-would-love-to-have-the-uk-s-leadership-options/ar-BB1p9BEF?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=da778704ca854e64bfb44b289f9cffca&ei=16

em2nought

06-30-24, 10:20 AM

The true nightmare begins :dead:

There was a sighting, recently she raised her fugly head out of the primordial swamp. Don't think she's not scheming as we type. :D

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WXCKfDtmKYw/maxresdefault.jpg

Rockstar

06-30-24, 10:31 AM

I wouldn't have thought so, we're just as bad if not even worse.

Ahh yes a New Zealander living in London writing for a British based paper offering opinion from across the Atlantic presuming too know how I think. It’s comparable to people getting their information from late night comedy shows and Hillary Clinton memes.

That garbage belongs in the U.K. politics thread since the article is directed at you peasants and subjects of the crown and geared towards how you should think about how wonderfully utopian your government is compared to the rest of world. But as your quote implies it appears you know better. Just as I know Victoria-craw is literally talking out of her arse. Because if that crap monarchy of yours came over here again there’ll be another insurrection like you had in 1776.

Jimbuna

07-01-24, 05:46 AM

'That says it all': Democrats rejoice as poll shows most think Biden should keep running

Story by David McAfee

President Joe Biden has faced calls to drop from the 2024 race, but a recent poll showing most Democrats want him to stay put is being celebrated on social media.

Recently, reports have suggested that Biden, who has been criticized for running for a second term despite being in his 80s, has been speaking with family members about whether to bow out. On Sunday, the New York Times reported that Biden's family encouraged him to keep running at the gathering.

The YouGov poll showed that, of registered Democrats, 55% think Biden should keep running, while 45% say he should "step aside."

Former MSNBC personality Keith Olbermann said, "Today's YouGov/CBS Poll: Should Biden stay in the race? YES, 55%-45% Should TRUMP stay in the race? NO, 54-46% That says it all."
He asked, "Any effing questions?"

Journalist Rachel Janfaza added that, "Compared to all other age groups - young voters are the most supportive of a Biden run and the least supportive of a Trump run."

@PrezLives2022 chimed in, "YouGov/CBS poll says Biden should stay in 55/45 while same poll says Trump should drop out 54/46. I’d say Biden is in better shape than Trump at this point. 33 million raised since Thursday….stay strong Team Biden"

@BernBoomer had this interpretation: "YouGov/CBS Poll: Biden should stay in. Trump should drop out."

Others pointed out that the Trump bow out question was asked to registered voters, while the Biden question was posed to Democrats.

The same poll found that 72% of respondents do not believe Biden has the mental and cognitive health to serve as U.S. President for another term, which also prompted celebration from skeptics of Biden.

Conservative Charlie Sykes said, "Dem Xitter is assuring me that this won't be a problem and that we should stop talking about it."

"CBS POLL: ****72 Percent ***** Say Biden doesn't have cognitive health to serve as president," he added.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/that-says-it-all-democrats-rejoice-as-poll-shows-most-think-biden-should-keep-running/ar-BB1paAfD?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=a0cf82c9d5d34a4b9dc81e723d29b073&ei=20

Jimbuna

07-01-24, 11:25 AM

Trump will be happy with that.

The vote went 6-3 with the justices following party lines as far as I'm aware.

Donald Trump has presidential immunity for official acts while in office, Supreme Court rules

Donald Trump does not have presidential immunity for all acts conducted while in office, the Supreme Court has ruled.

However Trump does have absolute immunity for ‘official acts’ undertaken while in office. What exactly constitutes an official act has not yet been clarified.

The ruling came as the court declined to quash the prosecution of Trump over the January 6 riot but did effectively delay a possible trial until after the election in November, when Trump may sweep back into power.

Part of the ruling, which was written by Chief Justice John Roberts, states: "The President enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is official.

“The President is not above the law. But under our system of separated powers, the President may not be prosecuted for exercising his core constitutional powers, and he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for his official acts.
“That immunity applies equally to all occupants of the Oval Office."

All three of the court’s liberal justices dissented from the decision, which will be seen as a boon to Trump and his campaign at a time when the former president faces several ongoing legal challenges.

It is likely the decision will cause further delays to the attempted prosecution of Trump over the January 6 riot at the Capitol.

The decision on Monday mean the charges Trump faces will not be dismissed but some actions closely related to his core duties as president may well be found to be off-limits to prosecutors.

Trump’s lawyer conceded in the oral argument in April that at least some of the allegations in the indictment, brought by special prosecutor Jack Smith, concern private conduct that would not be protected by any immunity defense.

Minutes after the decision was released, Trump wrote on social media: "BIG WIN FOR OUR CONSTITUTION AND DEMOCRACY. PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!"
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-has-presidential-immunity-for-official-acts-while-in-office-supreme-court-rules/ar-BB1pdmkV?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=a2095d65d2834cad932e69beadbba029&ei=13

em2nought

07-01-24, 11:49 AM

Trump will be happy with that.

The vote went 6-3 with the justices following party lines as far as I'm aware.

Hope none of our democrat friends has an aneurysm today. :hmmm:

Rockstar

07-01-24, 11:59 AM

Trump will be happy with that.

The vote went 6-3 with the justices following party lines as far as I'm aware.

Actually every former, current and future president will be extremely happy with the decision. I couldn’t imagine the ramifications if it was otherwise.

Jimbuna

07-01-24, 12:00 PM

Hope none of our democrat friends has an aneurysm today. :hmmm:

Sorry but I'm not sure what you mean :hmmm:

Rockstar

07-01-24, 12:08 PM

Sorry but I'm not sure what you mean :hmmm:

Probably means how the typical Democrat fanboy will find way to twist the decision into something like… Now Trump can in his official capacity send SEAL Team 6 to kill them in their sleep. You should see some of the crap that’s already hitting the headlines now.

em2nought

07-01-24, 12:09 PM

Sorry but I'm not sure what you mean :hmmm:

I mean this decision will make their heads explode in anger. :03:

AOC is calling for impeachment of the court. :har:

Jimbuna

07-01-24, 12:17 PM

Ah right well the fallout has already begun.

'Crowned Trump king': Experts warn SCOTUS immunity decision 'death knell for democracy'

Two hundred and three days after Special Counsel Jack Smith’s first request, the U.S. Supreme Court in a 6-3 decision along partisan lines on Monday ruled an American President has “absolute” immunity from criminal prosecution if his actions are “official acts” of Office.

Legal experts see Monday’s decision as “very pro-Trump,” a “big win” for the ex-president who is running for re-election despite having already been criminally convicted of 34 felonies in the State of New York, and facing another 54 criminal charges in state and federal courts.

During oral arguments in April, Trump’s attorney argued a president could order SEAL Team Six to assassinate his political rival and not be prosecuted if it could be considered an “official act.”

Dissenting from the majority opinion, Justice Sonia Sotomayor assailed the right-wing justices, writing:

“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”

“Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done,” she continued. “The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law.”

On MSNBC, former Acting U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal remarked that presidents now can “just slap the label ‘official acts’ on” anything to be immune from prosecution. Also on MSNBC, former FBI General Counsel and longtime DOJ official Andrew Weissmann called the opinion, “made up, whole cloth.”

Experts also say this ruling effectively turns presidents into kings.

“Justice Sotomayor’s dissent is one of the most terrified and terrifying pieces of judicial writing I’ve ever encountered,” warns Slate senior writer Mark Joseph Stern. He adds: “I just want to take a step back and say that I think the Supreme Court just fundamentally altered the structure and nature of democracy in America. It awards the president the measure of power and immunity that is much, much closer to a king or emperor than an elected official.”

Foreign policy, national security, and political affairs analyst David Rothkopf points to Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson’s dissent, and writes, “the right wing on the court has killed the concept that no person is above the law. The founders must be turning in their graves. After 250 years, we once again are subordinate to a king.”

“The Supreme Court just granted Joe Biden the power of a King, counting on the fact that he won’t use it against, among other things, them,” adds Mother Jones editor-in-chief Clara Jeffery. “Good luck after that.”

Harvard Law’s Alejandra Caraballo called Monday’s ruling “a death knell for democracy.”

The Nation’s justice correspondent Elie Mystal, pointing to Justice Jackson’s dissent warned, “the Court just crowned Trump King.”

“July 4, 1776 – we declare independence from a king,” writes national security attorney Brad Moss. “July 1, 2024 – the Supreme Court decides the president can basically be a king.”

Stern also writes, “The Supreme Court’s conservative supermajority establishes new principles—located nowhere in the text of the Constitution—that permanently shield the president from meaningful accountability when he weaponizes the tools of his office for criminal purposes. That is shocking.”

Constitutional law scholar and Professor of Law Eric Segall observed: “So Nixon would likely have been immune under the standard the Court makes up today.”

Constitutional attorney Andrew L. Seidel called the opinion “one of the most outrageous things ever.”

“This SCOTUS is drunk on power. It’s a founding principle of this nation that nobody is above the law. They betrayed it.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/crowned-trump-king-experts-warn-scotus-immunity-decision-death-knell-for-democracy/ar-BB1pdOqL?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=cef902cc4d0b485db33d2f5c03227ac2&ei=13

mapuc

07-01-24, 12:27 PM

I may not be an American, but I doubt that an American President can give order to some seal team to take out an another American on US soil.

It must be some law who prevent this.

Markus

Skybird

07-01-24, 12:40 PM

The court in principle confirms what plain reason expected: that a president has immunity for his official deeds and decisions as a president while the court also said he has no absolute immunity: immunity for unofficial deeds and decisions, and it explicitly said that not everything a running president does, is official.

Rockstar

07-01-24, 01:44 PM

There is no meaningful fallout over the decision. The SCOTUS simply confirmed the privilege every one of our presidents has had since this country’s inception and will continue to have.

From the very start all it ever amounted to was election year political hay. Considering how botched up our domestic and foreign policy has become. The only platform Democrats have to run on is ‘get Trump’.

Bilge_Rat

07-01-24, 02:52 PM

Rockstar

07-01-24, 03:06 PM

I read the decision. It is not that long. The majority decision that a President has immunity for his “official” acts is logical, well argued and relies on precedents going back 200 years. I don’t see how they could logically have come to another decision.

You actually ignored the headlines, late night comedy shows and political memes and instead took the time to read the SCOTUS decision? That makes you informed and therefore a danger to the party, be careful out there ;)

Skybird

07-01-24, 03:40 PM

Question is: what are official and what are unofficial acts by a sitting president? And what about immunity if president does acts criminal by the law? Are these still "official" or are the unofficial?

Next: if Trumb becomes president again, he could order the DoJ to end investigations against him. Which has a very foul smell. He could also pardon himself, which smells even more rotten.

What bothers me more than all this, however, is that he still can run around and pump out his lies and false claims on how the was betrayed and that he had won the last elections and bla and bla and blablabla, and so many people let hoim get away with it even belie it. - Noam Chomsky, anyone? ;) He executes Chomsky principles by the letter of the study book. You also find them in the way the state in Orwell's 1984 executes its means of communication control to overwhelm the reasonable thinking and reality-based perception, by this destroying the frame of contexts any reaosning necessarily must base on. And by that, thinking itself gets effectively prevented. Or better: assassinated.

Ironcially, the left, the wpoke, the greens the gender-gagas do exactyl the same. All political camps and sides do it nowadays. And all contribute to the destruction of freedom, self-responsibility, resonsibility towards the other.

Its a nightmare. It leads us into total dictatorship, you'll see. And if not you, if you are already too old, your kids will. One does not wish to tell them. And there seems to be no place anymore where you could turn to to flee, to escape.

Rockstar

07-01-24, 03:42 PM

Mexican Government: 1.39 Million People From Nearly Every Country In The World Traveling To Mexico To Get Into The US Illegally

Nearly every country in the world has had citizens travel through Mexico attempting to get into the United States illegally without papers.

DONALD STANDEFORD

https://www.ssj.news/p/mexico-139-million-people-from-nearly

MEXICO - According to the Mexican government on Sunday, about 1.39 million people from 177 different countries traveled through Mexico in an attempt to get into the United States illegally.

As there are 195 countries in the world, the 177-country figure indicates that nearly every country in the world has had citizens travel through Mexico attempting to get into the United States without papers.

Mexico's National Migration Institute reported figures from January to May of this year and stated that most of those traveling across Mexico to get into the United States were people traveling alone, with nearly 3,000 being minors without the accompaniment of an adult.

380,000 of those attempting to gain access to the United States through Mexico were coming from Venezuela, after which are: Guatemala, Honduras, Ecuador, and Haiti. Others came from China, India, Mauritania and Angola, according to the institute.

Some Chinese citizens who have successfully gained entrance into the United States illegally were issued IDs by Mexico labeling them as "humanitarian workers" or "visitors" which one U.S. senator says is likely so that the Chinese nationals can show that they have a valid reason to be in Mexico.

Bilge_Rat

07-01-24, 05:14 PM

You actually ignored the headlines, late night comedy shows and political memes and instead took the time to read the SCOTUS decision? That makes you informed and therefore a danger to the party, be careful out there ;)

Well, as I have stated before I believe, I am a lawyer in RL (now retired) and learned a long time ago that most journalists have very little understanding of how the law actually works. nothing beats going to the source and forming your own opinion.

Bilge_Rat

07-01-24, 05:22 PM

Question is: what are official and what are unofficial acts by a sitting president? And what about immunity if president does acts criminal by the law? Are these still "official" or are the unofficial?

Well that is the rub, SCOTUS did not answer that question except in one case (i.e. interaction with acting AG Clark) and instead threw it back to the trial judge to make a determination of what is “official” and not “official”.

Again we have to remember that the court has to make a decision that applies to ALL Presidents, not just one tailored to make Trump lose the election.

The one case I keep going back to is when President Obama ordered the assassination of U.S. citizens. It was drone strikes on presumed terrorists, but without immunity, could Obama be charged with murder? That is why you need Presidential immunity for certain actions.

mapuc

07-01-24, 05:38 PM

The one case I keep going back to is when President Obama ordered the assassination of U.S. citizens. It was drone strikes on presumed terrorists, but without immunity, could Obama be charged with murder? That is why you need Presidential immunity for certain actions.

This action was understandable. These American choose to join ISIS and became terrorist, so they were a legitim target.

How about American soil ?
Can an American President give the order to strike against some opponent, as mentioned some times in the thread.

If it was terrorist I would understand it would be ok.

Edit
He can if it is terrorist
https://irp.fas.org/agency/doj/olc092501.html
End edit

Markus

Rockstar

07-01-24, 09:04 PM

This action was understandable. These American choose to join ISIS and became terrorist, so they were a legitim target.

How about American soil ?
Can an American President give the order to strike against some opponent, as mentioned some times in the thread.

If it was terrorist I would understand it would be ok.

Edit
He can if it is terrorist
https://irp.fas.org/agency/doj/olc092501.html
End edit

Markus

The assassination or execution of U.S. citizens presumed guilty of any crime used to be something most Americans frowned upon.

em2nought

07-01-24, 09:49 PM

So many folks seemingly worried about President Trump killing them, now if it was President Hillary I could understand them being worried. :har:

Otto Harkaman

07-02-24, 04:56 AM

More than likely why you Europeans are scared because he'll raise the price of LNG since Biden blew up your pipeline :salute:

Current Trends and Demand

Rising Demand for Diversification: Europe continues to prioritize LNG imports to diversify its gas supply and reduce reliance on Russian pipeline gas. The continent's efforts to secure LNG from various sources were accelerated by the geopolitical shifts following the Russia-Ukraine conflict (IEEFA (https://ieefa.org/resources/global-lng-outlook-2024-2028)) (Shell Global (https://www.shell.com/what-we-do/oil-and-natural-gas/liquefied-natural-gas-lng/lng-outlook-2024.html#:~:text=URL%3A%20https%3A%2F%2Fwww.shell .com%2Fwhat)).
Growing U.S. Exports: U.S. LNG exports have surged, with Europe becoming the primary destination. In 2022, nearly 70% of U.S. LNG exports were directed to Europe, meeting a significant portion of its gas demand (PE Media Network (https://pemedianetwork.com/petroleum-economist/articles/gas-lng/2024/outlook-2024-us-lng-the-next-wave/)) (EIA Homepage (https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=55920)). This trend is expected to continue, supported by the expansion of U.S. LNG capacity.

Jimbuna

07-02-24, 05:30 AM

More than likely why you Europeans are scared because he'll raise the price of LNG since Biden blew up your pipeline :salute:

So who in particular are you referring too when you accuse them of being scared?

August

07-02-24, 07:06 AM

The assassination or execution of U.S. citizens presumed guilty of any crime used to be something most Americans frowned upon.

Execution without benefit of a trial no less.

Rockstar

07-02-24, 08:15 AM

Execution without benefit of a trial no less.

That’s what I meant to say :D.

Onkel Neal

07-02-24, 01:32 PM

Congressman Wesley Hunt Reveals Jaw-Dropping Trump Story

https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1808179617397719127

In a tense meeting with Taliban leaders, Trump declared, “I want to leave Afghanistan, but it’s going to be a conditions-based withdrawal,” before issuing a stark warning.

mapuc

07-02-24, 02:50 PM

A Danish view on this Presidential immunity

- The Supreme Court gives the president immunity in core tasks and partial immunity in other official actions, and that is quite crazy, says Mads Dalgaard Madsen, who was previously a political advisor at the Danish embassy in Washington, DC

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/politik/historisk-afgoerelse-potentialet-er-skraemmende/10287040?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

Otto Harkaman

07-02-24, 04:05 PM

Bush Jr better hope he has it or he might be deported to stand trial

George W. Bush, the 43rd President of the United States, has faced various accusations of war crimes related to actions during his presidency, particularly concerning the Iraq War and the broader War on Terror. Here’s an overview of the primary accusations:
1. Invasion of Iraq

Illegality of the War: Critics argue the 2003 invasion of Iraq violated international law, specifically the United Nations Charter, which prohibits the use of force against sovereign nations without Security Council authorization or in self-defense. The claim that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), which was a primary justification for the war, was later found to be false.
Preemptive War Doctrine: The Bush administration's doctrine of preemptive war, used to justify the Iraq invasion, is controversial under international law. Critics argue it sets a dangerous precedent that undermines global stability and the legal frameworks governing the use of force.

2. Torture and Detention Practices

Torture Allegations: Under the Bush administration, practices such as waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques were used on detainees suspected of terrorism. These techniques, employed in facilities like Guantanamo Bay and secret CIA black sites, are widely considered forms of torture.
Violation of the Geneva Conventions: The treatment of detainees is seen by many as violating the Geneva Conventions, which outline the standards of international law for humanitarian treatment in war. The administration’s legal stance that such detainees were "unlawful combatants" and not entitled to the same protections has been highly contested.

3. Extra judicial Killings and Drone Strikes

Targeted Killings: The Bush administration initiated the practice of targeted killings using drone strikes against suspected terrorists. These actions, expanded under subsequent administrations, have faced criticism for bypassing judicial processes and causing civilian casualties, raising ethical and legal concerns about due process and sovereignty.

4. Use of Depleted Uranium and Cluster Bombs

Environmental and Health Impact: The use of depleted uranium munitions and cluster bombs in Iraq has been criticized for causing long-term health problems and environmental damage. These weapons' residual effects have led to increased cancer rates and birth defects in affected areas.

5. Domestic and International Legal Proceedings

Calls for Prosecution: Various human rights groups and legal experts have called for George W. Bush and members of his administration to be prosecuted for war crimes. These calls have been based on alleged violations of international treaties, including the Convention Against Torture.
Investigations and Lawsuits: Although there have been numerous calls for investigations and lawsuits, both in the U.S. and internationally, no formal war crimes charges have been brought against Bush. Legal immunity and political factors have contributed to the lack of prosecution.

Context and Debate

While the accusations against Bush involve significant moral and legal concerns, opinions vary widely on these issues. Supporters argue the actions were necessary for national security and were conducted within the legal frameworks available at the time, while critics believe they represent grave violations of international norms and human rights. The debate over these issues continues to be a contentious aspect of his legacy.

mapuc

07-02-24, 04:33 PM

I take this Immunity has it limitation and the line goes with war crimes.

Which I think is good-I support a political immunity, but I do not support war crimes.

Markus

Skybird

07-03-24, 05:50 AM

SCOTUS has become a political battleground for sure, more so than it already was before the first Trump reign. It can only get worse while the trenches in the inner-American conflict are deepening and widening, with no chan ce for a healing in sight.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/originalism-dead-letter-supreme-court-majority-accused-abandoning-lega-rcna159945

Let someone else understand that (if it's not a statistical artifact)...

[FOCUS] US President Joe Biden has drawn level with his challenger Donald Trump in this week's election polls - despite his disastrous performance in the first TV debate between the two candidates. Both candidates each received 40 percent support among registered voters in a Reuters/Ipsos poll. An earlier poll from June had given Trump a slight lead of 41% to 39%, which Biden has now made up.

This is all the more surprising given that the poll found that 83% of Democrats and 97% of Republicans thought Biden "stumbled and showed his age" in the TV duel. Only 58 percent of Democrats and 11 percent of Republicans said this about Trump.

The medical analysis. The author is Prof. Dr. med. Dipl.-Psych. Wolfgang Meins, a neuropsychologist, doctor of psychiatry and neurology, geriatrician and associate professor of psychiatry. In recent years, he has mainly worked as a court expert in the field of civil law.

He confirms with way more competence than I could claim what I stated about Biden since very long time, and what many others know and can clearly see without needing to have any academic degree in the related prfessions.

He is not fit for office anymore, and he isn't that since a very long time already. One does not dare to imagine how he would "perform" if he really came under the pressure of an existential crisis or threat to the US when the events hammer down on him mericlessly, without taking care for his biological and kognitive status and timely needs. Or how he would be manipulated behind the stage in order to give the public the percepiton of the president still being functional.

https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/joe_biden_das_krankheitsbild?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de

He is not one bit a better alternative to Trump. Both men only are very different in the nature of threat they pose to the US, and the West.

em2nought

07-03-24, 06:21 AM

There he goes releasing a bit more fuel from the strategic Biden re-election reserve. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/biden-administration-announces-sale-of-1m-barrels-of-gasoline-ahead-of-july-4-travel/ar-BB1phZJb

Jimbuna

07-03-24, 06:38 AM

Is Michelle Obama the only Biden alternative who would beat Trump?

u crank

07-03-24, 01:54 PM

Is Michelle Obama the only Biden alternative who would beat Trump?

I would say that it would not be a lock that she could beat him. The sticking point for voters might be .. get Mrs. Obama and you get Mr. Obama.

mapuc

07-03-24, 02:31 PM

August

07-03-24, 02:32 PM

Is Michelle Obama the only Biden alternative who would beat Trump?

"Would"?

Rockstar

07-03-24, 04:48 PM

It has been all over the news here today-More and more Dems in the H.R are demanding Biden to step down.

Could be they don't see him win against Trump in the upcoming Presidential election, well is there any Dems who can win over Trump ?

Markus

The issue at hand isn’t whether Biden can win against Trump, that thinking is so far off the mark. The concern is the same concern people have had since before Biden was elected and what the unelected swamp who rode into power on the coat tails of an old man and their talking heads on TV can no longer hide. Biden is a senile old man and because there are a lot of deaf, dumb and blind fools in this country who would still waste their vote for him. There are a growing number of adults in the room on both sides of the isle who are done with the charade.

mapuc

07-03-24, 05:20 PM

Thank you for the explanation.

Guess there are other more important things to why they ask him to step down.

Markus

Reece

07-03-24, 07:52 PM

They are both two/too old has-beens, they should both step down! :oops::doh:

Rockstar

07-03-24, 08:24 PM

They are both two/too old has-beens, they should both step down! :oops::doh:

This coming from someone where they still practice 1800’s era ‘white Australia’ policies and build quarantine camps.

Reece

07-03-24, 09:28 PM

What??

The White Australia policy was dismantled in several stages, beginning in the late 1950s: The Migration Act 1958 introduced a simpler system of entry permits and abolished the controversial dictation test introduced. The last parts of the White Australia policy were removed with the passing of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975.

Jimbuna

07-04-24, 03:01 AM

I would say that it would not be a lock that she could beat him. The sticking point for voters might be .. get Mrs. Obama and you get Mr. Obama.

Good point Marcel/

"Would"?

Would/could :)

:oops:

Rockstar

07-04-24, 12:17 PM

What??

lol. Just reading other country’s headlines.

You can’t demand that both should step down

One is a case of a world leader exhibiting strong indicator of vascular dementia and elder abuse. Like how they kept wheeling in Diane Feinstein.

The other you are suggesting is actually against the law, called elder discrimination. Thats like if I were tell Neal you shouldn’t post here anymore just because I think you’re too old.

mapuc

07-04-24, 01:13 PM

Skybird

07-04-24, 02:47 PM

I think I red a new Philip K. Dick novel?!

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-joe-biden-campaign-ai_n_668482b9e4b038babc7d56f2

Rockstar

07-04-24, 03:50 PM

"This years election is not about 2 old men, it's about FREEDOM OR DICTATORSHIP"
This was written on a friends wall-She is a hardende Dem supporter.

My first thought-Have to post it in our US thread just to see what my American friends here has to say about it.

Depending on which party you gonna put your vote on-Your standpoint to this freedom or dictatorship is given.

Markus

There are a lot of things that come to mind like corporatocracy, plutocracy, oligarchy. But dictatorship isn’t one of them.

Like Warren buffet said in 2006. "There's class warfare all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."

em2nought

07-04-24, 07:36 PM

Mentioning President Trump and Biden in regards to age is a false equivalency. Not letting President Trump run would be age discrimination. Letting Biden run is elder abuse, but it couldn't happen to a more deserving big guy. :03:

President Trump didn't seem to form a dictatorship the last time he was in office. If anything elitist democrats seem to be the people who want to dictate to all of us peons. The cars we can buy, the ovens we can cook on, the food we can eat, the money we earn that we can keep, the info that we're allowed to see, the words we're allowed to use, the thoughts we're allowed to think, the people we can vote for.

Otto Harkaman

07-05-24, 05:34 AM

I think I red a new Philip K. Dick novel?!

more like a dystopian Democratic Party AI Utopia by Mack Reynolds

Jimbuna

07-05-24, 12:08 PM

Biden bungles Trump diss at Fourth of July event for military families

The White House has pointed to an upcoming interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos to prove Biden is able to speak off-the-cuff but he muddled his comments when he slid off the teleprompter Thursday. 'By the way, you know I was at that World War I cemetery in France and a - the one that one of our colleagues, a former president, didn't want to go and be up there,' Biden said. 'I probably shouldn't even say that. Anyway,' he continued, his voice going low. At another point in the speech he again said, 'by the way.' 'I've been all over the world,' he said, his voice dropping to a mumble. 'I've been in and out of battles, anyway. You're incredible,' he told the military members and their families gathered on the South Lawn.

The president started greeted members of the crowd when he was told that his presence outside meant that more guests weren't being let inside the White House gates. Biden promised to come back and out and talk to people. A supporter yelled, 'keep up the fight. We need you.' 'You got me man. I'm not going anywhere.'

Biden then continued, 'I'll come back out when they let - open the gate, OK? Thank you, thank you, thank you.' He then stalled his exit by telling one more story. When I was senator, there was always congestion on the highways. There's no congestion anymore,' Biden said.

He was talking about the perks of having the presidential motorcade. 'And the way to get me to stop talking they'll say we just shut down all the roads, Mr. President,' Biden said. 'I'll be back out,' he promised.

There was a cloud over Thursday's festivities - and it wasn't just the pop-up shower in the late afternoon - as Biden's political future hangs in the balance. After Democratic governors expressed support - though tepidly at first - over the president's decision to stay in the race, meeting attendees started leaking juicy details to the press.

The New York Times reported that the president told the governors he wished to stop hosting events after 8 p.m. in an effort to get more sleep. During the same meeting, Gov. Josh Green of Hawaii asked Biden about his health.

The president replied that his health was fine. 'It's just my brain,' he then said.

Some governors took the commnt as a joke, while at least one found it strange, the newspaper said. Jen O'Malley Dillon, Biden's campaign chair, later played clean-up. 'He was clearly making a joke,' she said.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/biden-bungles-trump-diss-at-fourth-of-july-event-for-military-families/ss-BB1psCQF?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=455270de39a0467aac5b382b1cfea5b6&ei=42#image=1

em2nought

07-05-24, 01:58 PM

Rockstar

07-05-24, 02:14 PM

sanctuary cities, drugs, gangs, lack of consequences, got us where we are today.

https://youtu.be/Zf71-WgYAqs

Rockstar

07-05-24, 05:14 PM

Here are some REAL problems. Not the imaginary one democrats want us to focus on.

66% of Americans have said they were concerned about the rising price of gasoline; 40% were worried about takeout and meal delivery becoming more expensive; and 84% feared a rise in the cost of groceries, per TransUnion.

Meanwhile, Biden says he’s the “first black women”

https://youtu.be/Yr__KbOyNy0

Rockstar

07-05-24, 08:17 PM

In 2023, 39% of Americans said they’ve skipped meals to make housing payments, per Clever Real Estate survey.

Meanwhile: Biden tells ABC: “I’m the guy that shut Putin down. No one thought could happen.”

Yet Biden was in the White House for both of the last two invasions launched by Putin into Ukraine. What exactly did he shut down?

Dr. Anthony Fauci says he has 'no doubt' President Biden possesses the mental and physical fortitude to remain president.

When asked if any part of the debate medically alarmed him, Fauci said such an assessment would be “inappropriate.”

Can any of the usual suspects & self proclaimed COVID experts both foreign and domestic explain? Of course you can’t.

Skybird

07-06-24, 04:27 AM

How to make grandpa giving up his driving license?

Rockstar

07-06-24, 09:39 AM

I would hire Skybird to take away grandpa’s driver license. There would be no explanation or reasons given no begging and pleading. Just a quick swipe and it’s gone. :haha:

https://youtu.be/KRN0iWV59wI

mapuc

07-06-24, 12:28 PM

https://nypost.com/2024/07/06/us-news/president-bidens-physician-met-with-parkinsons-disease-specialist-in-white-house/

Dr. Kevin Cannard, a Parkinson’s disease expert at Walter Reed Medical Center, met with Dr. Kevin O’Connor, and two others at the White House residence clinic on Jan. 17, according to the records, which emerge as questions continue to swirl about the 81-year-old president’s mental health in the wake of his debate debacle last week with former President Trump.

Markus

em2nought

07-06-24, 01:00 PM

https://nypost.com/2024/07/06/us-news/president-bidens-physician-met-with-parkinsons-disease-specialist-in-white-house/

Markus

Sleepy Joe never has been the sharpest tool in the shed. :D

Rockstar

07-06-24, 03:19 PM

https://nypost.com/2024/07/06/us-news/president-bidens-physician-met-with-parkinsons-disease-specialist-in-white-house/

Markus

His lack of mental capacity was noted by anyone had eyes to see and ears to hear long before he was even elected. Now all of sudden everyone is acting
surprised like it just happened. He could have retired honorably but now that democrats are done using and abusing him Biden is on his way out as an embarrassment and a disgrace. They don’t give a shet about him.

If Biden was even slightly aware what was going on around him. I can think of at least two people who should have been fired SecDef for the debacle of a withdrawal in Afghanistan and lying. And SecState partying at a bar in Ukraine. Maybe that incompetent nincompoop Buttigieg.

https://i.ibb.co/NVRL6Nr/IMG-0127.jpg

mapuc

07-06-24, 03:27 PM

.....and despite this-American chose him as the next President in the last Presidential election.

Or as I have stated sometimes-They put their vote on Biden to get rid of Trump.

Markus

vienna

07-06-24, 05:11 PM

...and the harsh reality for the MAGA/GOP is that, even with the debacle at the debate, the needle really hasn't moved much at all in Trump's favor in the polls; the numbers before the debate were a statistical dead heat and afterwards, they still are; if the GOP had any other candidate at their helm, and Biden had faltered as he has, it would be expected that support for Biden would immediately, and significantly, wane and the result would be a substantial, and noticeable bump in the GOP' candidate's poll numbers, something which has not happened; if Biden can give such a woeful performance and the GOP's candidate cannot even benefit from it, what does that say about the GOP candidate?...

It would seem that even at his worst, Biden still holds against Trump at his 'best'...

<O>

Skybird

07-06-24, 05:29 PM

I would hire Skybird to take away grandpa’s driver license. There would be no explanation or reasons given no begging and pleading. Just a quick swipe and it’s gone. :haha:

I would seat him on a Kwiggle instead. :haha:

Rockstar

07-06-24, 05:36 PM

vienna

07-06-24, 06:55 PM

Oh, a great many DEMs are very much like the GOP, willing to lock step with the party, no matter what the problems are with their candidates or policies; they are just as capable of just taking that little Party 'voter guide' that arrives just before an election and blithely and blissfully mark their ballots as the Party bosses dictate, logic and common sense be damned; the real problem for the GOP/Trump is the rather large number of Independent voters (and, also, undecided voters) who could and very well will be the deciding factor come November; again, there hasn't been any significant shift in the numbers towards Trump and the GOP from the rather large block of people who aren't party-bound drones; the statistical dead heat is mainly and overwhelmingly between those who are Party-bound, and the rest don't really want anything to do with what your parties demand as a 'take a side' requirement; we Independents will take our ballots and, instead of mindlessly and brainlessly 'rubber stamp' a slate of candidates being spoon fed by the GOP and DEM parties, we will vote based on our own, individual, considered ideas and positions, an act of ultimate responsibility...

So, basically, the lack of a shift towards Trump and the GOP has nothing to do with the DEMs and everything to do with the fact the GOP candidate is so weak and repulsive that he can't even capitalize on the poor performance of his opponent and even with a weakened opponent, something which would assuredly give a major poll 'bump' to any other opponent, he can't seem to even attract the support of the Independents and undecideds; overall, not a very big bell-ringer of an optic...

<O>..

em2nought

07-06-24, 09:45 PM

.....and despite this-American chose him as the next President in the last Presidential election.

Or as I have stated sometimes-They put their vote on Biden to get rid of Trump.

Markus

After seeing this last trick they played on us for 3 & 1/2 years maybe more people should be questioning that "vote" with renewed interest.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PLjNWOu-Zn0/ScpgE7diU0I/AAAAAAAAAd4/MR8l5f9sDtY/s400/shocked+to+find+gaming.jpg

Rockstar

07-07-24, 10:58 AM

I bet those people found out the hard way how much of a rip-off extended auto warranties are.

Rockstar

07-07-24, 03:42 PM

mapuc

07-07-24, 04:17 PM

What’s repulsive is how anyone can still support the Democrat Party. A Party that took advantage of & abused an old man with failing mental acuity unable to defend himself for their own personal gain. And now that the Party is finished with the old man is being driven out and his legacy will be that of a laughing stock.

I think hundred of thousand if not million would put their vote on Biden-Not because they support him no!...As one of you wrote some page back
"- I'll vote for Biden as he is the least worst of the two candidate"
(Taken from memory)

Markus

Rockstar

07-07-24, 04:39 PM

I think hundred of thousand if not million would put their vote on Biden-Not because they support him no!...As one of you wrote some page back
"- I'll vote for Biden as he is the least worst of the two candidate"
(Taken from memory)

Markus

Other than years of having drilled into the public’ psyche unfounded accusations of collusion, Putin puppet, pee tapes, Steele dossier, insurrectionist, Manchurian candidates, traitor, selling nuclear codes, etc etc etc. What exactly makes Trump a so-called worse candidate?

The Democrat Party might be even more repulsive than I first thought because, #1 as evidence of Sleepy Joes corruption is coming to light the DNC is running him out of town to avoid embarrassment. #2 Maybe Sleepy Joe’s doctor is right after all when he says Sleepy Joe’s mind is sound. Maybe Sleepy Joe’s memory problems is just a show to stay out trouble and let his crackhead son take the fall.

https://youtu.be/38pOnBB5Y9M

Jimbuna

07-08-24, 11:48 AM

Jill Biden's blitz to defend Joe as he ignores calls to drop out

Jill Biden heads to three key battleground states on Monday to campaign for her husband as more Democrats publicly call on Joe Biden to exit the presidential race. The first lady will attend campaign events in North Carolina, Florida and Georgia – all states Biden’s re-election campaign is still eying for a win in November, despite the flurry of calls for him to step down. During her trip, she will formally launch Veterans and Military Families for Biden. Her trip comes as Biden’s place on the Democratic ticket is at a tipping point.

He, buoyed by his wife and other family members, believes he can turn this around. But members of his party worry the situation is going to get worse. Jill Biden has been adamant that Joe Biden stays in the race. But she also hasn’t answered questions yet from the media about his condition or addressed questions about whether she worked with staff to hide it from the public. She has stood by him. She was at Biden’s side in Pennsylvania on Sunday as he tries to quiet concerns about his mental health and physical fitness. But, as they were campaigning, House Democrats held a crisis call where at least five more of them called on Joe Biden to exit the race.

Democrats are worried that, in addition to Republican Donald Trump winning the presidency, the GOP will also win both chambers of Congress, leaving no check on Trump’s presidential power. Through the crisis, however, Jill Biden has been her husband’s staunchest defender. ‘We are not going to let 90 minutes define the four years that you’ve been president,’ she told him after the debate. She also has taken charge of launching the Biden campaign's biggest voter initiatives, including Women for Biden and Seniors for Biden.

On Monday she adds veterans and military families to her list. Jill Biden is the daughter of a World War II veteran and the Bidens' late son Beau served in Iraq. As first lady, she has promoted her Joining Forces Initiative to support military families. She often talks about the Bidens' ties to the military. Both she and President Biden have criticized Donald Trump for his comments on veterans, particularly on a report that he called them 'suckers' and 'losers.' Trump has denied those comments. Her tour on Monday will take her to three states with high populations of veterans and military families.

Her first stop of the day is in Wilmington, N.C., a state critical to both candidates’ victory plans. Trump leads by six points in the polls there, according to Five Thirty Eight’s polling average of the state. Jill Biden then heads to Tampa, Florida. The president’s re-election campaign has argued the state is in play this year even though it has gone red from Trump in the past elections. Her final stop of the day is Georgia. The first lady’s arrival in the state is the biggest event there since the debate two weeks ago, where Joe Biden struggled to find words and fumbled in his responses to Trump.

Trump leads in Georgia by almost six points, according to Five Thirty Eight’s polling average of the state. Biden won the state in 2020 – the first Democrat to carry it since Bill Clinton. Both candidates want to win it in November. The Biden campaign is struggling to right itself in the almost two weeks following the debate. President Biden, in an attempt to show his mental prowess, conducted two interviews with black radio stations in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Only later it was revealed the campaign gave the questions to the hosts ahead of time. And the Philadelphia station fired its host in response to the news.

Next Biden sat down with ABC News to try and calm the storm. But Democrat's worries continue to grow and more voices are adding on to those calling on Biden to step down. Donors also are panicking. And one senior administration official told the New York Times that Biden is not capable of doing the job. The family, however, has circled the wagons. Jill Biden and Hunter Biden are now acting as the president’s gatekeepers. He has also doubled down, telling ABC News that nothing but an act from God could get him to exit the contest.

The president’s sister, Valerie Biden Owens, is also standing by him. Owens ran Joe Biden’s first Senate campaign and has been involved in every one of his campaigns since. She is his top political adviser. Jill, Hunter and Valerie are the three most important people in any decision Joe Biden makes about his future. He listens to them the most. They would need to give their blessing from him to exit the presidential race. They show no signs of doing so. The Biden clan gathered at Camp David last weekend for a pre-planned photo shoot with famed photographer Annie Leibovitz.

But the main topic of conversation was Biden's disastrous debate performance against Trump. All the family urged Bien to stay in the race. Jill Biden, in particular, points to all the family has had to endure during Joe Biden’s time in the White House. She noted the prosecutor of Hunter Biden, NBC News reported, pointing out he could go to prison. The family – and even some Republicans – saw Hunter’s prosecution on a 2018 gun purchase as too much overreach. Jill Biden argued now was the time to fight.

There is another reason the Bidens are digging in their heels. The family, particularly Jill Biden, remembers how Joe Biden was forced out of the 1988 presidential race after a plagiarism scandal. 'In 1987, she saw him be forced out by the press, pundits and polls, and it was really a scarring experience for both of them,' Michael LaRosa, the first lady's former press secretary, told the New York Times. He said had discussed the 1988 episode multiple times with the First Lady when he worked for her. 'I think they learned from that experience and they weren't going to have their hands forced like they were in 1987.'
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/jill-biden-s-blitz-to-defend-joe-as-he-ignores-calls-to-drop-out/ss-BB1pC18Q?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ef0e8f2c2b6d47a6bcbecc307493b74c&ei=17#image=1

Jimbuna

07-08-24, 12:30 PM

Biden's staff give him detailed instructions with pictures and large font that tell him how to 'enter and exit a room' during planned events

President Joe Biden is given detailed instructions with pictures and large font instructing him on how to enter and leave venues ahead of planned events, it has emerged.

A template provided to event staffers, and obtained by Axios, shows how Biden's aides prepare a short document with a photograph that depicts his precise route he needs to use to 'walk to the podium'.

The template also reportedly included memos that showed the 'view from podium' and 'view from audience', which were also accompanied by photographs.

The White House has claimed the short memos are 'basic approaches' that are critical to Biden's 'advance work' as president, adding that the same approached is also used by Vice President Kamala Harris' team.

But some event staff have said they were 'surprised' by the memos and do not think a 'seasoned political pro' should need verbal and visual guidance on 'how to enter and exit a room'.

The White House provides event staff with a template to use when preparing their instructions for Biden ahead of events, Axios reported.

The template, referred to by Biden's staff as 'advance work', uses large font and visual aids to show different views of the venue interior, including the President's entry and exit paths.

A staffer who allegedly worked a Biden event in the last 18 months described the guidance as 'detailed verbal and visual instructions'.

The worker, who claimed to be 'surprised' by the guidance, added: 'I staffed a simple fundraiser at a private residence, but they treated it like it was a NATO summit with his movements.'

Biden's staff has seemingly downplayed the guidance, alleging that 'high levels of detail and precision are critical to presidential advance work — regardless of who is president'.

The White House told Axios the documents 'are basic approaches that are used by any modern advance team, including the vice president's office and agencies.'

A spokesperson for Harris reportedly confirmed that she and her staff are briefed in a similar way at events, saying: 'These documents are standard logistical briefing materials and photos for any principal, including the vice president.'

DailyMail.com has approached the White House for comment.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13611271/Joe-Biden-staff-detailed-instructions-pictures-planned-events.html

em2nought

07-08-24, 01:08 PM

Rockstar

07-08-24, 04:05 PM

Notice that democrats are only concerned with whether Biden can beat President Trump, and they don't seem to be concerned with whether Biden can do his job of running the country effectively. I guess they're happy with rampant inflation, wide open borders, endless wars, and the rest of Biden's $hit show. :har:

Democrats are like the Manson family they’re locked into a cult. A bunch of Karen’s living in a bubble that has done more to destroy this country’s reputation and system of government than any other political party known to mankind.

First 30 minutes are so worth watching
https://youtu.be/VGSyGrWWbhA

Aktungbby

07-09-24, 11:00 AM

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PLjNWOu-Zn0/ScpgE7diU0I/AAAAAAAAAd4/MR8l5f9sDtY/s400/shocked+to+find+gaming.jpg:timeout::hmmm: JEEZE!! the damn President does live in a Casa Blanca at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue at that??!:o:shucks:

mapuc

07-09-24, 12:01 PM

One thing is to wipe the GOP of the stick another thing is to have a clear politics them self.

As an outsider it looks like the Dems only politics is to stay in charge and prevent GOP regain power.

They(Dems) are pointing fingers and they get tens of thousands of Americans to look at the person(Trump) who they are pointing fingers at

Markus

Otto Harkaman

07-10-24, 04:38 PM

^ easily sums up the last eight years

Skybird

07-10-24, 06:29 PM

https://youtu.be/cYMGX1HqRRk?si=dYDs_g0AM3oss5_R

Rockstar

07-10-24, 06:52 PM

em2nought

07-10-24, 07:42 PM

“I find it both laughable and preposterous that the same people who, for the past four years, forced you to carry a vaccine passport to dine in a restaurant, hold a job or get on a flight are the same people now opposing common-sense legislation requiring individuals to show proof of American citizenship to vote in elections." - Rep Paul Gosar

When the Senate rejects proof of citizenship to vote we need to make the democrats own it the whole way until November. 198 House democrats voted against proof of citizenship to vote.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/10/house-passes-bill-requiring-proof-citizenship-to-vote/?

vienna

07-11-24, 02:18 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ENoksbktk

<O>

Jimbuna

07-11-24, 06:16 AM

Biden's candidacy faces new peril as Pelosi, Clooney and more Democrats weigh in

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden's imperiled re-election campaign hit new trouble Wednesday as House Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi said merely “it's up to the president to decide” if he should stay in the race, celebrity donor George Clooney said he should not run and Democratic senators and lawmakers expressed fresh fear about his ability to beat Republican Donald Trump.

Late in the evening, Vermont Sen. Peter Welch called on Biden to withdraw from the election, becoming the first Senate Democrat to do so.

The sudden flurry of grave pronouncements despite Biden's determined insistence he is not leaving the 2024 race put on public display just how unsettled the question remains among prominent Democrats. On Capitol Hill, an eighth House Democrat, Rep. Pat Ryan of New York, and later a ninth, Rep. Earl Blumenauer of Oregon, publicly asked Biden to step aside.

“I want him to do whatever he decides to do," Pelosi said Wednesday on MSNBC's “Morning Joe” rather than declaring Biden should stay in. While Biden has said repeatedly that he's made his decision, she said, "We’re all encouraging him to make that decision, because time is running short.”

It’s a crucial moment for the president and his party, as Democrats consider what was once unthinkable — having the incumbent Biden step aside, just weeks before the Democratic National Convention that is on track to nominate him as their candidate for reelection.

Biden is hosting world leaders in Washington for the NATO summit this week with a crowded schedule of formal meetings, sideline chats and long diplomatic dinners showcasing his skills. His party at a crossroads, Biden faces the next national public test Thursday at a scheduled news conference that many Democrats in Congress will be watching for signs of his abilities.

To be sure, Biden maintains strong support from key corners of his coalition, particularly the Congressional Black Caucus on Capitol Hill, whose leadership was instrumental in ushering the president to victory in 2020 and is standing by him as the country’s best choice to defeat Trump again in 2024.

“At this moment, the stakes are too high and we have to focus,” Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota told The Associated Press on Tuesday, saying Democrats are “losing ground” the longer they fight over Biden’s candidacy. “Democracy is on the line. Everything we value as Democrats, as a country, is on the line, and we have to stop being distracted.”

Pelosi has been widely watched for signals of how top Democrats are thinking about Biden’s wounded candidacy, her comments viewed as important for the party’s direction as members weigh possible alternatives in the campaign against Trump.

Because of her powerful position as the former House speaker and proximity to Biden as a trusted longtime ally of his generation, Pelosi is seen as one of the few Democratic leaders who could influence the president’s thinking.

The lack of a full statement from Pelosi backing Biden’s continued campaign is what lawmakers are likely to hear most clearly, even as she told ABC later she believes he can win. Her remarks came as actor Clooney, who had just hosted a glitzy Hollywood fundraiser for the president last month, said in a New York Times op-ed that the Biden he saw three weeks ago wasn’t the Joe Biden of 2020. "He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.”

Sen. Michael Bennet, a Democrat from Colorado, spoke forcefully late Tuesday about the danger of a second Trump presidency and said it’s for the president “to consider” the options.

Stopping just short of calling for Biden to drop out, Bennet said on CNN what he told his colleagues in private – that he believes Trump “is on track to win this election -- and maybe win it by a landslide and take with him the Senate and the House."

Bennet said, “It’s not a question about politics. It’s a moral question about the future of our country.”

Another Democrat, Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, said Wednesday he was “deeply concerned” about Biden winning the election, which he called existential for the country.

“We have to reach a conclusion as soon as possible,” Blumenthal said on CNN.

And Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia told reporters, “I have complete confidence that Joe Biden will do the patriotic thing for the country. And he's going to make that decision.”

Democrats have been reeling over whether to continue backing Biden after his poor showing in the June 27 presidential debate with Trump and his campaign’s lackluster response to their pleas that Biden, at 81, show voters he is up for another four-year term.

Biden and his campaign are working more intently now to shore up support, and the president met with labor leaders Wednesday, relying on the unions to help make the case that his record in office matters more than his age.

With the executive council of the AFL-CIO, America’s largest federation of trade unions, Biden told the crowd that even Wall Street was acknowledging the power of unions, as he once again articulated his vision for an economy built “from the bottom up and middle out.”

“I said I’m going to be the most pro-union president in American history,” Biden told the cheering crowd. “Well guess what? I am.”

While more House Democrats have publicly called on Biden to end his candidacy, no Senate Democrats have gone that far. Bennet was among three Democratic senators, including Jon Tester of Montana and Sherrod Brown of Ohio, who spoke up during a private lunch Tuesday, according to a person familiar with the meeting and granted anonymity to discuss it.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer invited Biden's campaign to address senators' concerns. The president's team is sending senior Biden advisers Mike Donilon and Steve Ricchetti, and Campaign Chair Jen O’Malley Dillon to meet with Democratic senators privately Thursday for a caucus lunch, according to both a Senate leadership aide and the Biden campaign.

There were some concerns, however, that it could backfire. One Democratic senator who requested anonymity to speak about the closed-door meeting said it could be a waste of time if Biden would not make the case to senators himself.

Pelosi of California said Biden “has been a great president” who is beloved and respected by House Democrats.

The Californian said she watched as he delivered a forceful speech at the NATO summit on Tuesday, and recounted his many accomplishments.

While foreign leaders are in Washington this week and Biden is on the world stage hosting the event at a critical time in foreign affairs, Pelosi encouraged Democrats to “let’s just hold off” with any announcements about his campaign.

“Whatever you’re thinking, either tell somebody privately but you don’t have to put that out on the table until we see,” she said, how it goes “this week.”
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