US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Well,Sun Tzu's Destroyer theory did work and those ounces of Marines and Soldiers cleared the entire Islands of Iwo Jima.
Are u doing some Andy Kaufmanesque bit?

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2_XaiYyE6Q



:hmmm:

[Buddahaid]

Here’s the letter.
https://www.nsl4a.org/nsl4a-announcements/nsl4a-endorsement-harris

[AVGWarhawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2_XaiYyE6Q



:hmmm:


Here is a thought, this endorsement as well as anyone else's makes little difference to me.

[Rockstar]

Here is a thought, this endorsement as well as anyone else's makes little difference to me.

Appears you’re not the only one.

What’s in a Name? Not Always ‘Senior Leader’

COMMENTARY

By John D. Warren
September 25, 2024

This week, I ran across a letter that in its first 48 hours was quoted and referenced across dozens of news outlets and various sites on the Internet. The document is from the National Security Leaders for America (NSL4A), a group that presents itself as “individuals who served in various senior leadership positions that include all six military branches, elected federal and state offices, and various government departments and agencies.”

My comments here are not meant to be an endorsement of former President Donald Trump, nor are they a statement for or against Vice President Kamala Harris. Neither should they be construed as a critique of any person who has chosen to endorse the former president or the vice president.

On personal principle, I do not endorse, nor have I ever endorsed, any candidate for any office in any election. I do not expect anyone else to hold to this same position. As a citizen of this great republic, I embrace the freedom to express – or not to express – my political preferences.

This is simply one retired military officer’s view of the pretentiousness of the name (“national security leaders”) taken by a group of people who have chosen to endorse Kamala Harris.

By way of introduction, I will state that I served in the U.S. Air Force for 27 years, with assignments at stations all over the world. I entered the service at the lowest enlisted rank and retired as a lieutenant colonel.

During those years, I copied Morse code supporting intelligence collection during the Cold War, interpreted sensitive satellite imagery, graduated from the Naval Postgraduate School with a master’s degree in international relations, prepared briefings and analyses for flag rank officers and secretaries of defense, was selected to teach Aerospace Studies at the prestigious University of Notre Dame, deployed with Special Operations Command Central for the first Gulf war, represented American interests in two civil wars (the former Yugoslavia and Angola), commanded the largest squadron in the USAF, served as director of joint operations at one of the National Security Agency’s largest intelligence collection sites, and after retirement from active duty served as a contractor planning and supporting hundreds of missions in Afghanistan and Iraq during the global war on terror.

When the average American comes across the phrase, “Over 700 former national security leaders have endorsed Harris,” they probably think that those 700 people actually conducted or influenced, at various times, the real national security of the country.

As I read down the list of those 741 individuals who held “senior leadership positions,” I recognized the names of many flag rank officers, one of whom was my commander’s commander while I was on active duty; a few former senators and congressmen; along with a handful of former high-ranking civilians who actually did influence and lead national security. Certainly many of them, military and civilians, were and are patriots who served our nation well and made significant contributions to our national security.

Then there were literally hundreds of retired military officers and civilians who were (or claimed to be) part of the greater Department of Defense effort or worked for other executive agencies, their actual connection to national security more tenuous.

But what came across as especially humorous to me were descriptions such as “spouse of former security official”; retired senior enlisted men and women; individuals with the honorific of “ambassador” with no explanation of ambassador of what; a large number of “former acting (fill in the blank)” titles; and so forth. (For context, the secretary of any department might decide to name an “acting” secretary while he or she undergoes a dental procedure that requires anesthesia. The total time of that status could be under half a day.)

As I read aloud a few of the descriptors behind some of the names, my wife of over 50 years (full disclosure: my wife is senior copy editor for RealClearPolitics) said something to the effect of, “Even with more than a dozen moves in 27 years and a lot of knowledge about the military, I would never think to sign on as a National Security Leader!”

Once again, endorse whomever you like, but to tie yourself to a group with a clearly overreaching name seems pretentious. It might seem impressive to read that these 741 signatories held “senior leadership positions,” but many didn’t. In sports they call it “padding the stats.”

John Warren, USAF Lt. Col. (Ret.), served for over 40 years as an intelligence officer and in other defense-related positions. He considers his most important roles as father of nine, grandfather of 29, and great-grandfather of two.

[AVGWarhawk]

Appears you’re not the only one.

What’s in a Name? Not Always ‘Senior Leader’

COMMENTARY

By John D. Warren
September 25, 2024



John Warren, USAF Lt. Col. (Ret.), served for over 40 years as an intelligence officer and in other defense-related positions. He considers his most important roles as father of nine, grandfather of 29, and great-grandfather of two.

This is why endorsements to me are meaningless. Teamsters? Do all of them endorse the candidate? Highly unlikely. Just another tool to manipulate.

[Rockstar]

This is why endorsements to me are meaningless. Teamsters? Do all of them endorse the candidate? Highly unlikely. Just another tool to manipulate.

“We are trained to make sober, rational decisions”. What I find disturbing is by saying that, these arrogant asswipes must think we’re just a bunch of idiots that can’t form our own opinion. Even more disconcerting is this endorsement comes from the state security apparatus and how fast & willing lemmings are to glom onto this holier than thou b.s.

[Rockstar]

Wonder if comrade Harris and comrade Walz are aware of this?


DOD Enhances Middle East Defense Posture

Sept. 30, 2024 | By Matthew Olay, DOD News


The Defense Department has taken steps to further enhance the defense posture of U.S. forces throughout the Middle East region to deter aggression and mitigate the risk of a broader regional conflict, the Pentagon announced over the weekend.

The announcement comes as tensions in the region have heightened following Israel's targeted assassination of terror group Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon on Friday.

Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III spent the weekend providing guidance to his team and receiving updates on developments in the Middle East, according to a statement issued Sunday by Pentagon Press Secretary Air Force Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder.

"Secretary Austin stressed that the United States is determined to prevent Iran and Iranian-backed partners and proxies from exploiting the situation or expanding the conflict," the statement reads.

"Austin made clear that should Iran, its partners, or its proxies use this moment to target American personnel or interests in the region, the United States will take every necessary measure to defend our people," the statement continues.

The measures DOD is taking include ordering the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group to remain in the U.S. Central Command area of operations past its regular rotation date; reinforcement of U.S. air defense capabilities; and using U.S. forces rotating into the region to augment rather than replace forces already there, Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh told the media today.

"Secretary Austin and department leaders remain focused on the protection of U.S. citizens and forces in the region, the defense of Israel and the de-escalation of the situation through deterrence and diplomacy," Singh said.

Though not able to get into specific timelines and numbers due to operational security concerns, Singh said that some of the augmented forces being sent to the region include F-16, F-15E and F-22 fighter aircraft, as well as A-10 attack aircraft and associated personnel.

"The secretary also increased the readiness of additional U.S. forces to deploy, elevating our preparedness to respond to various contingencies," Singh said.

"And DOD maintains robust and integrated air defense capabilities across the Middle East … ensuring the protection of U.S. forces in the region," she added.

When asked whether the Defense Department has any direct knowledge of a retaliatory attack on Israel by Iran and/or Hezbollah, Singh said that, though DOD isn't aware of any specific plans, it's important to take all the rhetoric coming from Iran seriously.

"That's something we're watching incredibly closely; whether it be a response from Iran, from Hezbollah … [or] the proxy groups in Iraq and Syria," Singh said, adding that concern about such a response is the driving force behind the decision to bolster the U.S. force posture in the region.
"We take that rhetoric very seriously," Singh said, "and we believe that we [need to] have the capability in the region to defend our forces and — of course, if needed — to come to the defense of Israel."

[AVGWarhawk]

Wonder if comrade Harris and comrade Walz are aware of this?


DOD Enhances Middle East Defense Posture

Sept. 30, 2024 | By Matthew Olay, DOD News

Not chance. But she will be briefed on it. She'll giggle and talk about her middle class upbringing.

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX-5jmQplIo


:hmmm:

[Rockstar]

East Coast and Gulf ports longshoremen strike! Time to load-up and start hoarding the toilet paper again boys!

Teamsters last month: yes we’ll speak at the republican national convention

Teamsters this month: NO we will not endorse Kamala Harris

Teamsters to Biden Harris & Secretary Pete today: “The U.S. government should stay the f**k out of this fight”

Way I see it automation will eventually win and push these workers out of a job like what happened the west coast longshoremen. But like Dagget says no jobs no tax revenue. If that happens then the Trump tariff increases on imports suddenly sounds like a good idea. How else are democrats going to pay off all the student loans and send money to illegal immigrants,? :haha:

https://youtu.be/822WNvhQHKI?feature=shared


This sums up the Harris administration perfectly.
https://youtu.be/SrDVvZLyysU

[Skybird]

Former president Jimmy Carter turns 100. Congratulations. I think he is massively underrated. Not the best president ever, not by a long shot, but definitely one of the good ones the US has had. He is usually seen in a very derogatory light. I think that is definitely undeserved.



And he has a bonus on my sympathy list: he is known to not have liked carreer politicians. :D

[AVGWarhawk]

Former president Jimmy Carter turns 100. Congratulations. I think he is massively underrated. Not the best president ever, not by a long shot, but definitely one of the good ones the US has had. He is usually seen in a very derogatory light. I think that is definitely undeserved.



And he has a bonus on my sympathy list: he is known to not have liked carreer politicians. :D

His one best legacy is Habitat for Humanity.

[Rockstar]

His one best legacy is Habitat for Humanity.

He’s got a good heart but he was a weak president. We were pissed when that Georgian peanut farmer gave away the Canal Zone.

Of course there’s the botched hostage rescue and when Soviets invaded Afghanistan his big power play to punish the Soviets was to boycott the Olympics. And the dreaded Malaise Speech chastising Americans for being materialistic.

If you want wish him a happy birthday, start a happy birthday thread.

[AVGWarhawk]

He’s got a good heart but he was a weak president. We were pissed when that Georgian peanut farmer gave away the Canal Zone.

Of course there’s the botched hostage rescue and when Soviets invaded Afghanistan his big power play to punish the Soviets was to boycott the Olympics. And the dreaded Malaise Speech chastising Americans for being materialistic.

If you want wish him a happy birthday, start a happy birthday thread.

He botched a lot. We did get Billie Beer!

[August]

He botched a lot. We did get Billie Beer!




Dude was scared by a swimming rabbit.

[AVGWarhawk]

Dude was scared by a swimming rabbit.

I recall Billie taking a leak on a airport tarmac. :har:

[Rockstar]

He botched a lot. We did get Billie Beer!

We can thank his brother for that. I still got a case of it layin’ around somewhere.

https://i.ibb.co/Jn057bS/IMG-0731.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

I still got a case of it layin’ around somewhere.

https://i.ibb.co/Jn057bS/IMG-0731.jpg

Hahaha. Thats it!

[Rockstar]

Here is every US politician in Congress who currently holds stock positions that directly benefit from war in the Middle East:

Alan Lowenthal
Andrew Garbarino
Bill Hagerty
Blake Moore
Bob Gibbs
Carol Miller
Christopher Jacobs
Daniel Goldman
David McKinley
Dean Phillips
Debbie Schultz
Deborah Ross
Diana Harshbarger
Donald McEachin
Dwight Evans
Earl Blumenauer
Fred Upton
Garret Graves
Jerry Moran
Jerry Moran
John Curtis
John Yarmuth
Josh Gottheimer
Katherine Clark
Kathy Manning
Kevin Hern
Kurt Schrader
Lindsey Graham
Lois Frankel
Maria Salazar
Marjorie Greene
Mark Green
Mitch McConnell
Michael Guest
Michael McCaul
Mike Kelly
Mike Simpson
Mo Brooks
Nancy Pelosi
Patrick Fallon
Rick Allen
Ro Khanna
Robert Wittman
Roger Marshall
Scott Franklin
Shelley Capito
Steve Cohen
Susie Lee
Thomas Carper
Thomas Suozzi
Tommy Tuberville
Trey Hollingsworth
Virginia Foxx
William Keating
Zoe Lofgren

[mapuc]

"When USA sneeze the world catch a cold". This was the response I got, when I in a livestream said that I don't care who will be your next President.

As I see it, it wouldn't matter who's the President if USA should sneeze.

Markus

[mapuc]

Trump has truly surpassed himself with this idea/proposal

In what was seen as an extreme display of demagoguery even by his standards, Trump drew cheers from an audience in Erie, Pennsylvania, with a picture of an out-of-control crime spree that he said could be ended “immediately” with one “real rough, nasty day”, or “one rough hour”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/30/trump-crime-the-purge-speech

Markus

[Rockstar]

"When USA sneeze the world catch a cold". This was the response I got, when I in a livestream said that I don't care who will be your next President.

As I see it, it wouldn't matter who's the President if USA should sneeze.

Markus


It only matters to those who spend their days getting their news from late night comedy shows and basement dwellers.

We still have inflation
Even Harris mentioned no matter who wins expect a recession mid 2025
Commercial shipping has to extend their routes because terrorists have taken over the straights.
Our Navy is being targeted by those same terrorists
War in Eastern Europe
Our strongest ally Israel being attacked
We’re sending more troop into combat zones
Damn near the entire US Navy is stationed between the Med and Arabia.
Zero control at our border
Billions lost on internet infrastructure project that was never built.
Billions lost to fraud and mismanagement in sanctuary cities and homelessness projects
Longshoremen shutting down the entire eastern seaboard and Gulf of Mexico
Politicians insider trading

All of our ports longshoremen are protesting are owned by China, Taiwan, Switzerland, Germany, France one other foreign based company I can’t remember

Edit: now I remember the other country is Denmark.


Recruitment and retention problems in our armed forces

All in the last four years and there are some out there that want to vote for another four years of it.

The list goes on

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXML3UobbsA

[Dargo]

It only matters to those who spend their days getting their news from late night comedy shows and basement dwellers.

We still have inflation
Even Harris mentioned no matter who wins expect a recession mid 2025
Commercial shipping has to extend their routes because terrorists have taken over the straights.
Our Navy is being targeted by those same terrorists
War in Eastern Europe
Our strongest ally Israel being attacked
We’re sending more troop into combat zones
Damn near the entire US Navy is stationed between the Med and Arabia.
Zero control at our border
Billions lost on internet infrastructure project that was never built.
Billions lost to fraud and mismanagement in sanctuary cities and homelessness
Longshoremen shutting down the entire eastern seaboard and Gulf of Mexico
Politicians insider trading
All of our ports longshoremen are protesting are owned by China, Taiwan, Switzerland, Germany, France one other foreign based company I can’t remember
Recruitment and retention problems in our armed forces

All in the last four years and there are some out there that want to vote for another four years of it.

The list goes onWOW that old man iz a wizard in just 4 years what a superman.

[Rockstar]

I would pay $1000.00 per day pay per view to watch Kamala Harris debate Harold Daggett

“They’re gonna be like this,” Daggett said, grabbing his neck in a choking gesture. “I’ll cripple you. I will cripple you and you have no idea what that means. Nobody does.” - Harold Daggett

[vienna]

HeÂ’s got a good heart but he was a weak president. We were pissed when that Georgian peanut farmer gave away the Canal Zone.

Of course thereÂ’s the botched hostage rescue and when Soviets invaded Afghanistan his big power play to punish the Soviets was to boycott the Olympics. And the dreaded Malaise Speech chastising Americans for being materialistic.

If you want wish him a happy birthday, start a happy birthday thread.


Well, the Canal Zone turnover was the result of a treaty agreement, ratified by the US Senate; the Canal was turned over to Panama in 1999, so Reagan and/or Bush I and/or Clinton had a shot of voiding the treaty and none of them did: Carter wasn't even in office, so, technically he didn't 'give away' the Canal all by his lonesome...

The botched hostage rescue? That all came down to some of the most incredibly inept execution of a military mission by the US military leadership in the field; even the planning, by the self-same military was spectacularly mishandled, from the Joint Chiefs on down; Carter really can't be held fully responsible for the failure of the military to competently execute his orders...

Afghanistan? What response do you think would have been adequate? When you consider that the act of the Soviets moving militarily into Afghanistan was a major boon to the West in the sense that USSR was rushing headlong into what has been described over the centuries as the "land where empires go to die'; we actually got to watch the USSR get their behinds handed to them by a bunch of cave dwellers and then retreat with their tails between their legs; of course, the US would later find itself slogging through a war in Afghanistan of their own...

...and if you actually have really hard feelings over Carter's so-called 'Dreaded Malaise' speech, maybe the subject hit a bit too close to home for you; a good clutching of your pearls may, perhaps, soothe you...

Jimmy Carter may have not been the very best person to run for and win the Presidency, but, you know what? Carter actually is/was the embodiment of what the GOP loudly touts (and observes more in breach than in honor), the ideal of American Family Values; while the GOP thinks it a peachy-keen idea to to run an adulterous, lying, venal, dishonest, and grossly incompetent faux-billionaire who only shows up in a church when he needs a photo op as their Family Values Party's standard bearer, Carter was the guy who was devoutly religious, markedly honest and sincere, humane, compassionate, and the very model of what a Good Christian should be; maybe the antipathy of the Far-Right GOP towards Carter has more to do with the moral and ethical failings of their 'leaders' than any actual short-comings of Carter himself...

One things for sure, when Carter finally goes to meet his reward, he will, by Christian belief standards, be greeted warmly and given a seat close to the throne; one wonders where Trump will be when he finally answers for his life...

Saw this article today; it say a lot about how Carter is viewed by those tasked with protecting him and his family...


On President Jimmy Carter's 100th birthday, his Secret Service detail reflects on the assignment of a lifetime --

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jimmy-carter-secret-service-reflections/


...and, remember, after leaving office, Carter chose to devote his future years to public service, both on a simple level, such as helping to build homes with Habitat For Humanity for the ordinary people in need, all the way to crossing the globe to aid others in need; one things for sure, you never saw Carter trying to fleece the public with con game scams and especially you never saw him bitch and moan and whine when he lost to Reagan; Carter was the very picture of humility and acceptance of his loss, a picture it would be nice to see again...




<O>

[Skybird]

^ Lets not forget that the Republicans made a deal with Teheran to delay the release of the hostages until after the election so that Carter woud not be able to profit from the publicty of the success, but later Reagan did. The work, the attempt was done by Carter, the fruits were harvested by Reagan.

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[FAZ] Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has canceled his participation in a special election show on US broadcaster CBS. Trump's campaign team has withdrawn its commitment to the interview, the program “60 Minutes” announced on the X platform.
Trump's spokesman Steven Cheung, on the other hand, wrote that there had been talks but no agreement. The broadcaster also insisted on live fact checks, which was “unprecedented”.
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Well. Facts are something that Trump always have had ultrabig problems with, right...

[Rockstar]

Well, just an FYI the Carter giving away the Canal comes from four sources, Article II of the Constitution and the information provided by the Department of State and Office of the Historian and me because I was living there. All four place Carter at the head of that decision.


Secondly this new kook fringe conspiracy theory which came out last year saying Reagan delayed the hostage release is absurd. The going perception at the time was Iran released the hostages because they were afraid of Reagan. The fact is Carter continued working with the help of Algiers to get the hostages released up until his last day in office when the Algiers Accord was signed the hostages were released the next day.

No need to make up stuff about Reagan when there’s the Iran-Contra affair staring you in the face, that was real. Iran had no need to hold hostages if Reagan was willing to give them what they wanted.

[mapuc]

In other words Each of your President have had a skeleton in their closet-Me thinks.

Markus

[August]

In other words Each of your President have had a skeleton in their closet-Me thinks.

Markus

Who doesn't? Presidents are human beings too.

But Carters created his skeletons while he was in office. He was a nice enough person but a lousy Chief Executive.

[Rockstar]

In other words Each of your President have had a skeleton in their closet-Me thinks.

Markus



If you refer to the topic above. Then like I said Carter had a good heart but he was a weak president. If anyone had skeletons in the closet, it was Reagan and especially those advising him.

Two president so far are known to have had mental deficiencies while in office. Reagan showing signs as early as 1984 and Biden before he even took office. And we always seem to get into some scandal that revolves around the sale of weapons and wars.

[Skybird]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-october-surprise-iran-hostages.html

[Rockstar]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-october-surprise-iran-hostages.html

So Reagan was working to delay the hostage release until after the election huh?

You know the hostages were held in captivity for over 440 days. That being the case how in hell did Reagan know he was going to be elected in the first place to orchestrate such a delay? For chrissake he wasn’t even nominated to run for president yet!

I’m sorry but I’ll stick with the known, Carter’s Algiers accord and the Iran-Contra affair than listen to one guy’s story just popping up out of the blue after 40 years with some new kook fringe conspiracy theory that everyone who could corroborate this new revelation are all dead.

I’m gonna go with the idea that Carter was a man of principle who refused to trade weapons for the hostages and worked to the end to get them released which he accomplished the day BEFORE Reagan took office. Though Carters last minute success was likely made easier due to Reagan’ willingness to sell Iran the weapons they wanted the next day.

[Rockstar]

Ouch

https://youtu.be/JFDlZB1SitI

Insight into the fascist state of mind. The sad part in all of this is people will base their vote on this lie and all the others before it

https://youtu.be/trgUkDOK9SE

[August]

So Reagan was working to delay the hostage release until after the election huh?

You know the hostages were held in captivity for over 440 days. That being the case how in hell did Reagan know he was going to be elected in the first place to orchestrate such a delay?


I’m sorry but I’ll stick the Carter’s Algiers accord and the Iran-Contra affair than listen to one guy’s story just popping up out of the blue after 40 years with some new kook fringe conspiracy theory that anyone who could challenge this new revelation are all dead.

I’m gonna go with the idea that Carter was a man of principle who refused to trade weapons for the hostages and worked to the end to get them released which he accomplished the day before Reagan took office. Which likely made easier due Reagan was willing to sell them the weapons they wanted.

Carter was a nice guy but he was a very weak Commander in Chief. We should have sent in troops to rescue our people right away, not let the situation linger on for months and months. I was in the Army at the time and none of us including our officers could understand our continued inaction.

Then when public pressure finally forced Carter to get off his butt he sends in a minuscule force that was ill prepared, uncoordinated and with inadequate equipment to attempt a rescue in a scheme so Harebrained that his own Secretary of State resigned in disgust over it.

[Skybird]

So Reagan was working to delay the hostage release until after the election huh?
He, his staff, the party - hairsplitting. Winning the election by reducing Carter's chances by deying him this success was the agenda.
You know the hostages were held in captivity for over 440 days. That being the case how in hell did Reagan know he was going to be elected in the first place to orchestrate such a delay?

More hairpslitting. It was about increasing the chances of a win for the Republicans and not allowing Carter to benefit from a success with the hostage deal. The Iranians assessed the chances of both election outcomes, and made their decisions. What did they have to lose? Nothing.

For chrissake he wasnÂ’t even nominated to run for president yet!
And how long was Trump not offically nominated - but everybody "knew" he would be the next nominee, hm...?


Obviously I hit a nerve of yours (again), else you would not weasel this much with nothing but useless rhetorical tricks.:03:


https://www.nzz.ch/international/iran-hat-reagan-1980-die-freilassung-der-geiseln-verhindert-ld.1744582?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Or manually use Google Translator on it:
https://www.nzz.ch/international/iran-hat-reagan-1980-die-freilassung-der-geiseln-verhindert-ld.1744582


Plenty of more links on the web. One only must want to see them.

[Rockstar]

He, his staff, the party - hairsplitting. Winning the election by reducing Carter's chances by deying him this success was the agenda.


More hairpslitting. It was about increasing the chances of a win for the Republicans and not allowing Carter to benefit from a success with the hostage deal. The Iranians assessed the chances of both election outcomes, and made their decisions. What did they have to lose? Nothing.


And how long was Trump not offically nominated - but everybody "knew" he would be the next nominee, hm...?


Obviously I hit a nerve of yours (again), else you would not weasel this much with nothing but useless rhetorical tricks.:03:


https://www.nzz.ch/international/iran-hat-reagan-1980-die-freilassung-der-geiseln-verhindert-ld.1744582?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Or manually use Google Translator on it:
https://www.nzz.ch/international/iran-hat-reagan-1980-die-freilassung-der-geiseln-verhindert-ld.1744582


Plenty of more links on the web. One only must want to see them.


I lived through the Carter administration. Carter lost because of Carter.

Oh boy plenty of more links huh? Just look at them all they’re on the interwebs so you know it just has to be true. I’m sorry but I lived through it and experienced first hand.

Also, how much you want to bet all those links you refer to simply regurgitate the exact same thing the one before it did. So in reality it’s the same one story from the same one September 2023 source repeated time after time again. Say it enough times and people will believe it and who can refute it? Nobody can because everyone involved except that one source is dead.

And just like that some guy from Europe believes he can single handily rewrite U.S. history.

[mapuc]

You Americans who are old enough to have lived through some President know more about life during their Presidency than I and others living outside USA does.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Here's the DOJ's 165 page filing added to the docket today outlining the evidence against Trump that Justice Chutkan has to rule on based on the SCOTUS immunity ruling.

It shows all the evidence that Jack Smith thinks still falls outside the vague Presidential immunity SCOTUS decision and is something Trump tried to have quashed in his filings. Interesting reading.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.252.0_2.pdf

[Rockstar]

Here's the DOJ's 165 page filing added to the docket today outlining the evidence against Trump that Justice Chutkan has to rule on based on the SCOTUS immunity ruling.

It shows all the evidence that Jack Smith thinks still falls outside the vague Presidential immunity SCOTUS decision and is something Trump tried to have quashed in his filings. Interesting reading.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.252.0_2.pdf

The old October surprise.

[Buddahaid]

The old October surprise.

Only Trump and the SCOTUS are responsible for the delays that caused that.

[Rockstar]

Only Trump and the SCOTUS are responsible for the delays that caused that.

Riiight

Face it the world is on fire, the economy sucks, inflation is still rising, credit card debt rising to make ends meet, now a longshoreman strike. And Jack’s big case is the distraction.

Just think, Carter had the same problems but might have won re-election if he had the interwebz & Jack by his side. lol

[Gorpet]

Are u doing some Andy Kaufmanesque bit?

Well,No,I'm just giving you a fact. Andy Kaufman was a great comedian.

[Buddahaid]

Riiight

Face it the world is on fire, the economy sucks, inflation is still rising, credit card debt rising to make ends meet, now a longshoreman strike. And Jack’s big case is the distraction.

Just think, Carter had the same problems but might have won re-election if he had the interwebz & Jack by his side. lol

Unlike you apparently, I’ve been following this case from the start and it has nothing to do with the strike.

[Gorpet]

[QUOTE=vienna;2928025]Well, the Canal Zone turnover was the result of a treaty agreement, ratified by the US Senate; the Canal was turned over to Panama in 1999, so Reagan and/or Bush I and/or Clinton had a shot of voiding the treaty and none of them did: Carter wasn't even in office, so, technically he didn't 'give away' the Canal all by his lonesome...

The botched hostage rescue? That all came down to some of the most incredibly inept execution of a military mission by the US military leadership in the field; even the planning, by the self-same military was spectacularly mishandled, from the Joint Chiefs on down; Carter really can't be held fully responsible for the failure of the military to competently execute his orders...

Afghanistan? What response do you think would have been adequate? When you consider that the act of the Soviets moving militarily into Afghanistan was a major boon to the West in the sense that USSR was rushing headlong into what has been described over the centuries as the "la

[Rockstar]

We did it !!! New record amount of US government debt on the first day of the fiscal year.

+$204 billion in one day !!!

[Rockstar]

Obviously this cannot be true because we’ve been assured “There is not one member of the military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world for the first time this century.”

Russia is in discussions with the Houthis, via Iran, to transfer long-range Onyx anti-ship missiles for use against Western ships.

The Houthis have already been targeting military and commercial vessels in the Red Sea.

In June, Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that if the West continues to allow Ukraine to strike Russia, Moscow could supply long-range weapons to forces willing to retaliate against Western nations.

Source: Reuters, The Times of Israel

[Skybird]

https://youtu.be/GC6uKb9qkDc?si=qab73xxuK66R1deB

[Jimbuna]

Bruce Springsteen endorses Kamala Harris while eviscerating ‘dangerous’ Trump

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/bruce-springsteen-endorses-kamala-harris-while-eviscerating-dangerous-trump/ar-AA1rFftY?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=3ee8b3bd67ab4915ba7a0b0717cef5d0&ei=14

[u crank]

Jack Smith’s October Surprise

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/jack-smith-s-october-surprise/ar-AA1rDZyw

Jack Smith has failed in his quest to try Donald Trump before the 2024 election. So instead, the Special Counsel has bent ordinary procedure to get in one last shot, just weeks before voters go to the polls

The larger, if less obvious, headline is that Smith has essentially abandoned any pretense; he’ll bend any rule, switch up on any practice – so long as he gets to chip away at Trump’s electoral prospects. At this point, there’s simply no defending Smith’s conduct on any sort of principled or institutional basis.


Smith’s conduct here violates core DOJ principle and policy. The Justice Manual – DOJ’s internal bible, essentially – contains a section titled “Actions That May Have An Impact on the Election.” Now: does Smith’s filing qualify? May it have an impact on the election? Of course. So what does the rule tell us? “Federal prosecutors… may never select the timing of any action, including investigative steps, criminal charges, or statements, for the purpose of affecting any election.”

“To me if it [an election] were 90 days off, and you think it has a significant chance of impacting an election, unless there’s a reason you need to take that action now, you don’t do it.”

Sally Yates – former Deputy Attorney General

[AVGWarhawk]

The Oct surprise...FEMA out of funds for hurricane relief. The funds were spent on immigration. NC folks affected by the hurricane are offered a one time payment of $750.00 each.

Harris. You can kiss NC, a swing state, goodbye.


Like the Teamsters, Firefighters Union do not endorse either candidate. However, I read the Teamsters are 65% voting for Trump. I'm thinking the Firefighters are of the same percentage.

Harris, since when did Teamsters/Unions not endorse a Democratic candidate? Been a very long time. Best of luck.


Good vibes and joyful campaigning.

Harris. This type of campaigning has worn out its welcome. Time to start offering up more then good vibes and what Trump has already offered in policy.

Tim Walz:

Knucklehead. Deer in the headlights. Vance outclassed Walz all night at the debate.

[Jimbuna]

Paul Krugman: Why 'Trump is promising to rescue us from dire threats that exist only in his mind'

In economist Paul Krugman's latest column forThe New York Times, he submits that when it comes to Hurricane Helene disaster relief, Donald "Trump is promising to rescue us from dire threats that exist only in his mind."

Krugman first notes that the GOP nominee "has been trying to exploit the natural disaster for political gain, claiming he heard that the federal government — [President Joe] Biden — and North Carolina’s Democratic governor are 'going out of their way to not help people in Republican areas.'"

But before highlighting the "disaster relief issue," Krugman highlights the fact that Trump, and his running mate JD Vance — who has literally confessed to creating a story — often lie about other issues, like immigration.

This, in Trump's mind, must mean that it's "time to conjure a new fake source of fear and outrage," Krugman continues.

Krugman suggests that Trump's "insinuation that Biden is denying aid to politically unfriendly disaster areas" is partly "projection," as the ex-president "was found to have done something akin to that when he was in the White House." The other part, the Times columnist submits is "it involves condemning Biden and [Vice President Kamala] Harris for not immediately visiting the stricken areas."

Biden and Harris, though, were just acting responsibly. In the immediate aftermath of a natural disaster, a high-profile political visitor with a huge security detail is the last thing you want — I mean, politicians aren’t much help rescuing stranded residents and repairing roads, while accommodating their visit would divert personnel and equipment away from the urgent task of saving lives and restoring essential services. Former FEMA officials expressed skepticism about Trump’s visit to Valdosta, Ga., soon after the storm passed, not only because he used the visit to politicize a tragedy, but because such a visit 'does eat up resources on the ground.'

The former president's "trash-talking of America" may have worked "politically" at one point, Krugman writes, but "at this point his fear-mongering over crime and the economy seems to be losing traction."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/paul-krugman-why-trump-is-promising-to-rescue-us-from-dire-threats-that-exist-only-in-his-mind/ar-AA1rFw9P?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=f8c5ab4a101e445c80512272913be7b1&ei=26

[AVGWarhawk]

Paul Krugman: Why 'Trump is promising to rescue us from dire threats that exist only in his mind'

Paul Krugman should stick to being an economist.

[Jimbuna]

Paul Krugman should stick to being an economist.

The thought did cross my mind :)

[August]

Paul Krugman should stick to being an economist.




He wasn't very good at that either.

[Ostfriese]

The Oct surprise...FEMA out of funds for hurricane relief. The funds were spent on immigration. NC folks affected by the hurricane are offered a one time payment of $750.00 each.

Harris. You can kiss NC, a swing state, goodbye.


Even from overseas it was very easy to prove this as an outright lie.

[Catfish]

Even from overseas it was very easy to prove this as an outright lie.
Heard the same from the AfD, like funds for victims of the floods being spent for 'Asylanten'. BS.

[Jimbuna]

What? You can't believe US news sources are as bad as those in Europe surely :o

[AVGWarhawk]

Even from overseas it was very easy to prove this as an outright lie.

Not an outright lie. It is a one time payment of $750. Issue here is $750 will last less than a week. When is the next payment forthcoming?

[Rockstar]

So U.S. uses backdoors in it's own Internet providers to spy on it's citizens.

China says "don't mind if we do" and backdoors the backdoors.

They sat for months undetected on the U.S. wiretap system for Verizon, AT&T, and more...

Governments who work around encryption and security do not seem to understand they weaken their own systems. This is a great example as is the noise from EU on restricting encryption.

Jokers to the left, jokers to the right.

Government Wiretaps in U.S. Internet Providers Infiltrated by Chinese Hackers
U.S. spying on it's citizens and China taking advantage of that backdoor for months before anyone realizing

https://www.vulnu.com/p/government-wiretaps-in-u-s-internet-providers-infiltrated-by-chinese-hackers

Why it matters: The intrusion could give Chinese intelligence access to court-authorized wiretap requests and vast amounts of internet traffic, undermining U.S. law enforcement and intelligence operations.

Key points:
The attack targeted major U.S. broadband providers, including AT&T, Verizon, and Lumen Technologies (Source: WSJ)

Hackers may have had access for months to systems used for lawful wiretapping requests
The breach is considered "historically significant and worrisome" by U.S. officials

So, here's the deal: We've got the U.S. government doing its thing, you know, keeping tabs on folks through these court-authorized wiretaps. It’s "for our own good," they say. The same arguments come up when they say they need backdoors into all encryption. “Save the children!” they cry in order to absolutely decimate your privacy.

Then we ask who's watching the watchers, right? Well turns out China is watching the watchers. AND THIS IS WHY WE DON’T LIKE BACKDOORS. - If there is a backdoor, there is no guarantee the “good guys” (quotes doing heavy lifting here) are the ones who use it.
Enter China, stage left… or more like stage dead center in your face, not even trying to hide it.

These government-sponsored hackers apparently thought, "Hey, why do all the hard work ourselves when we can just piggyback on what the U.S. is already doing?" It's like they put a backdoor in the backdoor.
They've gained access to all this great pre-collected intel without having to lift a finger to spy on individual Americans themselves.

We've got the U.S. spying on its citizens (legally, they insist), and then China comes along and says, "Don't mind us, we'll just help ourselves to these wiretaps."
This breach could have been going on for months before anyone noticed. It makes you think, there’s no way this is the only one like it, right?

The WSJ article speculates on the initial point of compromise involving Internet edge devices like some Cisco network devices. I’ve reported on the FBI’s concern of China’s compromise of edge devices and laying in wait before.

[Rockstar]

Even from overseas it was very easy to prove this as an outright lie.

What an arrogant uninformed stupid statement. Please do enlighten us about this outright lie you see from your high horse in Europe. :roll:

Heard the same from the AfD, like funds for victims of the floods being spent for 'Asylanten'. BS.

Your worthless socialist neo nazi parties are in a league of their own and your problem so go cry about in the German politics thread. Nobody here in the U.S. cares.

You two should know it was Mayorkas from the Biden administration who said FEMA was running out of money because much of it is spent on SSP migrant assistance & housing,

https://www.fema.gov/grants/shelter-services-program

https://apnews.com/article/hurricane-helene-congress-fema-funding-5be4f18e00ce2b509d6830410cf2c1cb

You should also know nobody in Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina or Florida is waiting on FEMA to do anything. Recovery operations started a long time ago and hasn’t stopped in all of those states. It is the State’s responsibility to fund organize and get the job done. FEMA public assistance is reimbursing and assisting state and local agencies.

https://youtu.be/Jc6jTa7rdSo

https://i.ibb.co/7yc1YJR/IMG-0785.jpg

[vienna]

Re: The Trump lie that FEMA has run out of funds because the relief funds are being diverted to assisting immigrants...

The FEMA funds are still intact and still being distributed to aid the hurricane flood victims; Trump, as usual, is talking out of his sizable ass and lying, as usual, because he is becoming increasingly desperate as he sees his possibility of getting back into the legal sanctuary of the Oval Office slipping away; Trump's derangement and dementia grows by the day and I think the voters are taking notice...

Also, Trump may be harkening back to something he did when he was in office: in order to secure funds for his failed border wall project, he raided FEMA disaster funds and diverted cash earmarked for disaster relief " to pay for immigration detention space and temporary hearing locations for asylum-seekers who have been forced to wait in Mexico"; it seems he has 'forgotten' (conveniently) his own foray into depleting the nation's ability to respond to potential disasters (from 2019):


Trump admin pulling millions from FEMA disaster relief to send to southern border --

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-pulling-millions-fema-disaster-relief-send-southern-border-n1046691


As a side note; it might interest some of those who maintain Trump is such a hardnose when it comes to immigration that he very quietly and clandestinely arranged a deal with the Mexican government (you know, the one that was going to pay for the "wall"); when the Trump closed the border, he faced the hard fact that Mexico would very most likely not take having large numbers of immigrants unable to cross into the US massing on their side of the border; in that scenario, if push came to shove, Mexico would have very likely just stood aside and let the immigrants rush the border and let the US authorities deal with the mess; Trump (or, more likely, his advisors) realized something had to be done to avert such an embarrassment; an agreement was reached with the Mexican government to slip some funds to the Mexican authorities (wonder who Trump plundered for that money) and made an exception to the border crossing freeze for Mexican citizens who wanted to enter the US seeking 'asylum'; so, the upshot was the US paid the Mexicans to hold the border while allowing an unrestricted flow of Mexican citizens to enter the US...


I'm also posting this link from the BBC (mainly because it annoys many of the posters in this thread that foreign news is often more informative and factual then US news):


Misinformation swirls around hurricane response effort --

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czd1q9q9gl9o


Within the above article, the BBC actually links to an official FEMA page set up to debunk the various, and often ridiculous, claims and rumors about Hurricane Helene relief efforts:


Hurricane Helene: Rumor Response --

https://www.fema.gov/disaster/current/hurricane-helene/rumor-response




<O>

[AVGWarhawk]

Re: The Trump lie that FEMA has run out of funds because the relief funds are being diverted to assisting immigrants...

The FEMA funds are still intact and still being distributed to aid the hurricane flood victims; Trump, as usual, is talking out of his sizable ass and lying, as usual, because he is becoming increasingly desperate as he sees his possibility of getting back into the legal sanctuary of the Oval Office slipping away; Trump's derangement and dementia grows by the day and I think the voters are taking notice...

Also, Trump may be harkening back to something he did when he was in office: in order to secure funds for his failed border wall project, he raided FEMA disaster funds and diverted cash earmarked for disaster relief " to pay for immigration detention space and temporary hearing locations for asylum-seekers who have been forced to wait in Mexico"; it seems he has 'forgotten' (conveniently) his own foray into depleting the nation's ability to respond to potential disasters (from 2019):


Trump admin pulling millions from FEMA disaster relief to send to southern border --

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-pulling-millions-fema-disaster-relief-send-southern-border-n1046691


As a side note; it might interest some of those who maintain Trump is such a hardnose when it comes to immigration that he very quietly and clandestinely arranged a deal with the Mexican government (you know, the one that was going to pay for the "wall"); when the Trump closed the border, he faced the hard fact that Mexico would very most likely not take having large numbers of immigrants unable to cross into the US massing on their side of the border; in that scenario, if push came to shove, Mexico would have very likely just stood aside and let the immigrants rush the border and let the US authorities deal with the mess; Trump (or, more likely, his advisors) realized something had to be done to avert such an embarrassment; an agreement was reached with the Mexican government to slip some funds to the Mexican authorities (wonder who Trump plundered for that money) and made an exception to the border crossing freeze for Mexican citizens who wanted to enter the US seeking 'asylum'; so, the upshot was the US paid the Mexicans to hold the border while allowing an unrestricted flow of Mexican citizens to enter the US...


I'm also posting this link from the BBC (mainly because it annoys many of the posters in this thread that foreign news is often more informative and factual then US news):


Misinformation swirls around hurricane response effort --

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czd1q9q9gl9o


Within the above article, the BBC actually links to an official FEMA page set up to debunk the various, and often ridiculous, claims and rumors about Hurricane Helene relief efforts:


Hurricane Helene: Rumor Response --

https://www.fema.gov/disaster/current/hurricane-helene/rumor-response




<O>

Alejandro Mayorkas is an idiot. No wait, he is directly involved with FEMA and stated FEMA is low on funding. With that said and no major storms all year, where did the money go? But that none of my business.

Now, it's up to Congress to approve more funds. But that will not happen until Congress reconvene in a week or so. Hurricane Milton on the horizon, funding better come quickly. I worked every major hurricane with FEMA since Katrina. Transportation aspect. I have seen it all. Funding will come. But current response is very slow. However, the region FEMA is responding has many challenges transporters have not dealt with.

[Rockstar]

Re: The Trump lie that FEMA has run out of funds because the relief funds are being diverted to assisting immigrants...


“The Trump lie” :har:

Jesus H Christ what planet you on? Mayorkas the guy in charge of FEMA is the one that publicly stated FEMA may run out of money before this hurricane season is over. FEMA’s own data tells where the money was distributed
here: https://www.fema.gov/grants/shelter-services-program Over half of the annual budget went towards the benefit of non-citizen migrants.

[vienna]

Well, just an FYI the Carter giving away the Canal comes from four sources, Article II of the Constitution and the information provided by the Department of State and Office of the Historian and me because I was living there. All four place Carter at the head of that decision.
...




From the above, one would think you actually had verifiable sources to back up your claims; but you have a very well known aversion to (and derision of) links to substantiate claims; but, I think, your lack of substantiating links is not due to any aversion to links in general but, rather, to an aversion to the fact that the claims you made above aren't really true...

Let's look at you 'four sources":

1. Dealing with you as a source, I can say I wouldn't buy a used car from you...


2. Article II of the US Constitution: Somehow, I can't find anything in the text of the Article 11 any reference specially naming Carter as 'giving away' the Panama Canal; maybe you are trying to say Carter violated the provisions of Article 11 in the process of making the Canal Treaty; however, it seems all his actions were in line with and in conformity with the provisions of Article 11; if you have any real evidence of Carter violating Article 11, please be forthcoming; and it would be appreciated if you would kindly provide links to back up you claim...


3 & "4". I had to combine these two "sources" because, oddly, they are one and the same; the Office of the Historian is of the State Department; either your math sucks and there are only three (3) distinct "sources" in your claim or you were trying to pad your claim hoping no one would check you on them (surprise!); when I did check this so-called source, I realized why you didn't bother (or want to) supply a link; so for every one else, here's the link:


The Panama Canal and the Torrijos-Carter Treaties --

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1977-1980/panama-canal


Now, according to your claim, this source would also back up your claim of Carter 'giving away' the Canal; well, lets see...what, exactly, is the opening line of the Office of the Historian's article on the Carter treaty efforts...?...




One of President Jimmy CarterÂ’s greatest accomplishments was negotiating the Torrijos-Carter Treaties, which were ratified by the U.S. Senate in 1978.





Wow, the Historian really let Carter have it for 'giving away' the Canal, didn't he/she?...


So, got any more good "sources"... :03:


The actual history of the Canal and the eventual Treaty goes back far before Carter was in office; the efforts to reach an equitable agreement on the Canal began almost as soon as the US signed their first agreement with the Panamanian government in 1903, in the decades since, over the terms of several Presidents before Carter, the US and Panama have tried to hash out the situation; it all came to head in 1963 when Panama became independent of the nation of Colombia and began to assert its own sovereignty; in 1964, the US agreed to let the Panamanian flag to be flown alongside the US flag on the Canal grounds, but a subsequent violent clash caused by US citizens on the Canal led to the Panamanian government breaking off ties with the US; this was a very serious diplomatic black eye for the US and, given the ongoing Cold War with the USSR, gave the Russians plenty of fuel for their propaganda and recruiting efforts; this led to the US seeking, via a new treaty, to reset the terms of the Canal ownership so as to mitigate the impression of a much larger nation, the US, bullying a much smaller nation, Panama; what started in the LBJ administration became the set policy of the US regarding Panama and the Canal; Presidents from both parties and Senate and House leaders from both parties worked to achieve a new treaty; by the time the issue fell into Carter's lap, the issue was pretty much decided and all Carter did was to follow precedent and US policy in reaching a new treaty; he followed all the requirements laid out in the Constitution and presented the Treaty to the Congress for ratification, which was accomplished in 1977...


Here is an article, by someone who was there, as you say, giving some background on the Treaty and the activities surrounding its passage and ratification...


The Panama Canal Treaties were CarterÂ’s biggest foreign policy win --

https://penncapital-star.com/commentary/the-panama-canal-treaties-were-carters-biggest-foreign-policy-win-bruce-ledewitz/


Well, at least we now know why you really don't like links.. :03:



<O>

[Rockstar]

From the above, one would think you actually had verifiable sources to back up your claims; but you have a very well known aversion to (and derision of) links to substantiate claims; but, I think, your lack of substantiating links is not due to any aversion to links in general but, rather, to an aversion to the fact that the claims you made above aren't really true...

Let's look at you 'four sources":

1. Dealing with you as a source, I can say I wouldn't buy a used car from you...


2. Article II of the US Constitution: Somehow, I can't find anything in the text of the Article 11 any reference specially naming Carter as 'giving away' the Panama Canal; maybe you are trying to say Carter violated the provisions of Article 11 in the process of making the Canal Treaty; however, it seems all his actions were in line with and in conformity with the provisions of Article 11; if you have any real evidence of Carter violating Article 11, please be forthcoming; and it would be appreciated if you would kindly provide links to back up you claim...


3 & "4". I had to combine these two "sources" because, oddly, they are one and the same; the Office of the Historian is of the State Department; either your math sucks and there are only three (3) distinct "sources" in your claim or you were trying to pad your claim hoping no one would check you on them (surprise!); when I did check this so-called source, I realized why you did bother (or want to) supply a link; so for every one else, here's the link:


The Panama Canal and the Torrijos-Carter Treaties --

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1977-1980/panama-canal


Now, according to your claim, this source would also back up your claim of Carter 'giving away' the Canal; well, lets see...what, exactly, is the opening line of the Office of the Historian's article on the Carter treaty efforts...?...





Wow, the Historian really let Carter have it for 'giving away' the Canal, didn't he/she?...


So, got any more good "sources"... :03:


The actual history of the Canal and the eventual Treaty goes back far before Carter was in office; the efforts to reach an equitable agreement on the Canal began almost as soon as the US signed their first agreement with the Panamanian government in 1903, in the decades since, over the terms of several Presidents before Carter, the US and Panama have tried to hash out the situation; it all came to head in 1963 when Panama became independent of the nation of Colombia and began to assert its own sovereignty; in 1964, the US agreed to let the Panamanian flag to be flown alongside the US flag on the Canal grounds, but a subsequent violent clash caused by US citizens on the Canal led to the Panamanian government breaking off ties with the US; this was a very serious diplomatic black eye for the US and, given the ongoing Cold War with the USSR, gave the Russians plenty of fuel for their propaganda and recruiting efforts; this led to the US seeking, via a new treaty, to reset the terms of the Canal ownership so as to mitigate the impression of a much larger nation, the US, bullying a much smaller nation, Panama; what started in the LBJ administration became the set policy of the US regarding Panama and the Canal; Presidents from both parties and Senate and House leaders from both parties worked to achieve a new treaty; by the time the issue fell into Carter's lap, the issue was pretty much decided and all Carter did was to follow precedent and US policy in reaching a new treaty; he followed all the requirements laid out in the Constitution and presented the Treaty to the Congress for ratification, which was accomplished in 1977...


Here is an article, by someone who was there, as you say, giving some background on the Treaty and the activities surrounding its passage and ratification...


The Panama Canal Treaties were CarterÂ’s biggest foreign policy win --


https://penncapital-star.com/commentary/the-panama-canal-treaties-were-carters-biggest-foreign-policy-win-bruce-ledewitz/


Well, at least we now know why you really don't like links.. :03:



<O>



So some say Carter’s biggest foreign policy win was when he gave away the Panama Canal Zone. Ok but my argument was Carter was the one that gave away the Canal Zone.and not everyone, including me, liked it.

Links don’t seem to matter anyway I post two sources one quoting FEMA director Mayorkas and one from FEMAs own website detailing around half the annual budget went to shelters and assistance to non citizen migrants released into general population.

And you still managed to declare it a Trump lie in the first sentence of reply.

[vienna]

“The Trump lie” :har:

Jesus H Christ what planet you on? Mayorkas the guy in charge of FEMA is the one that publicly stated FEMA may run out of money before this hurricane season is over. FEMAÂ’s own data tells where the money was distributed
here: https://www.fema.gov/grants/shelter-services-program Over half of the annual budget went towards the benefit of non-citizen migrants.


...and now we have the ongoing Rockstar Big Lie(s)... :haha:


...however, this time, you actually supplied links to 'back up' your claims:


What an arrogant uninformed stupid statement. Please do enlighten us about this outright lie you see from your high horse in Europe. :roll:



Your worthless socialist neo nazi parties are in a league of their own and your problem so go cry about in the German politics thread. Nobody here in the U.S. cares.

You two should know it was Mayorkas from the Biden administration who said FEMA was running out of money because much of it is spent on SSP migrant assistance & housing,

https://www.fema.gov/grants/shelter-services-program

https://apnews.com/article/hurricane-helene-congress-fema-funding-5be4f18e00ce2b509d6830410cf2c1cb

...

]


Well, let's do a fact check on your " arrogant uninformed stupid statement", shall we...?...

On your first link, thete is absolutely nothing in the text even remotely quoting Mayorkas as stating FEMA funds for Hurricane Helene were diverted to immigrant spending; as has been explicitly said before, funding for FEMA and funding for immigrants are separate and non-comingling (and, again, the only person to raid FEMA, illegally, funds was Trump; maybe that's why he only had paper towels to distribute in Puerto Rico after their hurricane :03:); so, please show us where in the cite you made is anything backing up you claim?...


As for your second bit of "proof", here is the text of the entire AP article:





Mayorkas warns FEMA doesnÂ’t have enough funding to last through hurricane season

By KEVIN FREKING and COLLEEN LONG

Updated 3:39 PM PDT, October 2, 2024


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Federal Emergency Management Agency can meet immediate needs but does not have enough funding to make it through the hurricane season, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas told reporters Wednesday.

The agency is being stretched as it works with states to assess damage from Hurricane Helene and delivers meals, water, generators and other critical supplies. The storm struck Florida last week, then plowed through several states in the Southeast, flooding towns and killing more than 160 people.

Mayorkas was not specific about how much additional money the agency may need, but his remarks on Air Force One underscored concerns voiced by President Joe Biden and some lawmakers earlier this week that Congress may need to pass a supplemental spending bill this fall to help states with recovery efforts.

“We are meeting the immediate needs with the money that we have. We are expecting another hurricane hitting,” Mayorkas said. “FEMA does not have the funds to make it through the season.”

Hurricane season runs June 1 to Nov. 30, but most hurricanes typically occur in September and October.

Congress recently replenished a key source of FEMAÂ’s response efforts, providing $20 billion for the agencyÂ’s disaster relief fund as part of a short-term government spending bill to fund the government through Dec. 20. The bill also gave FEMA flexibility to draw on the money more quickly as needed.

Both chambers of Congress are scheduled, however, to be in their home states and districts until after the election, as lawmakers focus on campaigning.

House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., gave no hint he was considering changing that schedule during a speech Tuesday. He said that Congress just provided FEMA with the funds it needs to respond and that lawmakers would make sure those resources are appropriately allocated.

A bipartisan group of Senators from affected states wrote their leadership this week saying itÂ’s clear Congress must act to meet constituentsÂ’ needs. They said that may even require Congress to come back in October, ahead of the election.

Mayorkas made his comments as Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris fanned out across the Southeast to witness the damage from the hurricane and seek to demonstrate commitment and competence in helping devastated communities. Biden is heading to North and South Carolina, while Harris is going to Georgia.

More than 150,000 households have registered for assistance with FEMA, and that number is expected to rise rapidly in the coming days, said Frank Matranga, an agency representative.

The devastation was especially severe in the Blue Ridge Mountains, where at least 57 people died in and around Asheville, North Carolina, a tourism haven known for its art galleries, breweries and outdoor activities.

“Communities were wiped off the map,” North Carolina’s governor, Roy Cooper, said at a news conference Tuesday.




Again, in the above article, there is no mention, at all, of Mayorkas saying FEMA funds were diverted to immigrants; maybe you are seeing something there the rest of us are not; maybe you are just making things up like the Great Orange Liar-In-Chief...


The strain FEMA finds itself under is much more to do with the increasing severity of natural disasters in recent years that to any alleged divergence of funds or anything of that source; funds are budgeted on projections, but the severity of the natural disasters in recent years has far outstripped the projections; and, there is also the inept leadership of the GOP-controlled House of Representatives and their inability to stop squabbling amongst themselves and pass a comprehensive, long-term spending bill; Mayorkas works with the funds Congress gives his agency and the onus for the failure to adequately provide falls on the House...


Before you go off on others in this thread for being foreigners or try to call others liars, even when they actually post verifiable information, perhaps you should do some things like, oh I don't know, maybe learn to actually read what you cite, provide actually, factual links to support you contentions, try using some civility towards the other members in this thread, and, maybe, learn to tell the truth...

Oh, and before you resort to your usual kneejerk reaction along the lines of 'Well, you're being uncivil to me', believe me, I don't really like to have to make posts like this and they wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for those like you who feel bluster and prevarication is a substitute for civility and honesty...



<O>

[vienna]

So some say Carter’s biggest foreign policy win was when he gave away the Panama Canal Zone. Ok but my argument was Carter was the one that gave away the Canal Zone.and not everyone, including me, liked it.

Links don’t seem to matter anyway I post two sources one quoting FEMA director Mayorkas and one from FEMAs own website detailing around half the annual budget went to shelters and assistance to non citizen migrants released into general population.

And you still managed to declare it a Trump lie in the first sentence of reply.


You posted this while I was still composing my previous reply...

Still want to stand by you "links don't matter anyway" stance now...?...



<O>

[Jimbuna]

US debt would increase under Harris and soar under Trump - study

Donald Trump's campaign proposals would increase the US national debt by double the amount Kamala Harris's would, according to a new analysis by a non-partisan group.

Both candidates would add trillions to the national debt if their campaign pledges were enacted, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, external. Trump would add $7.5tn and Harris would add $3.5tn, the group said.

The think tank warned on Monday that neither party appeared willing to address the country's growing $35.6tn debt.

Both candidates have, at least partially, backed extending major tax cuts that the US passed during Trump's first term. These cuts form the biggest chunk of this hypothetical additional debt.

Parts of that Trump tax plan are due to expire in 2025, setting up a tough tax fight for whoever wins the White House in November. Trump has vowed to extend the tax package in its entirety.

He has also proposed new cuts which would eliminate taxes on overtime, social security and tips income, and grant domestic manufacturers an ultra low corporate rate of 15%.

He said he plans to raise money by imposing widespread tariffs - a tax on goods imported into the country, which could raise $2.7tn, according to the CRFB.

Harris, by contrast, has pledged to roll back tax cuts for the wealthy and raise the 21% rate for corporations, which was meant to be permanent, to 28%.

But she would extend the Trump cuts for Americans earning less than $400,000 and has backed his idea of eliminating taxes on tips.

Harris has also put forward a number of other proposals for tax relief, aimed at families with children and start-ups, while endorsing plans to subsidise child care and health care with hundreds of billions in new spending.

Many of their proposals would have to be approved by Congress, and it remains unclear how much either candidate would be able to muscle through the divided legislative branch which has ultimate power over taxes and spending.

"Both candidates are wanting to get elected so, you know, tax cuts sound better than higher taxes so I think that's what you're hearing. Whether or not all of that gets through we'll see," said Jimmy Lee, the founder and CEO of the investment firm Wealth Consulting Group.

But Mr Lee said he thought investors were not "paying enough attention" to the threat from spiralling borrowing.

The US has long been able to borrow cheaply, thanks to strong demand for its debt among private investors, which has helped to keep interest rates relatively low.

But some analysts have warned that the US may be facing higher costs in the future.

The ratio of US debt to its economy or GDP, gross domestic product is already one of the highest among major economies in the world.

It stands at about 120%, according to the IMF. That compares to 144% in Italy, 110% in Spain, 101% in the UK, 106% in Canada, 77% in China, 67% in Germany and 56% in Australia.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce81g9593dro

[AVGWarhawk]

US debt would increase under Harris and soar under Trump - study

Every administration increases the national debt. IMO, with Harris's free money for everything she is offering for votes, will run it up even more. She is already going after capital gains unrealized. Yet, capital gains lost unrealized we the investor are on our own.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/08/bob-woodward-new-book-war-trump-putin-biden/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit.com

Even if the above were proved absolutely true, it won't move the needle at all on his cult members. It's absolutely insane that this election is close at all.

Every administration increases the national debt. IMO, with Harris's free money for everything she is offering for votes, will run it up even more. She is already going after capital gains unrealized. Yet, capital gains lost unrealized we the investor are on our own.

And what is the threshold of that tax kicking in? Are you at or above that threshold?

I must confess, i don't understand why some of you people write such long responses. I don't think this particular corner of the internet would have paid shills, so I wonder why.

[AVGWarhawk]

And what is the threshold of that tax kicking in? Are you at or above that threshold?

Bud, if you think she will stop at a threshold you got another thing coming. The middle class is the real ATM money machine for the government. Also, Trumps tax plan from 2017 is done in 2025. I don't know about you but I brought more money home weekly with this plan. In short, I did not give the government a free loan of $4000 overpaid taxes and returned after filing for the year. This tax plan of Trumps is about to go away.

Back to the stock market and 401K, etc. We the investors assume ALL of the risk. The government assume NONE of the risk but taxes all the same. She will want more of your capital gains. Yet will not share in the loses. And to that, rich people got rich because they are smart with money. They will find a way around her unrealized capital gains tax. They have the means.

Harris best interest in not you or me.

[Rockstar]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/08/bob-woodward-new-book-war-trump-putin-biden/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit.com

Even if the above were proved absolutely true, it won't move the needle at all on his cult members. It's absolutely insane that this election is close at all.

I secretly sent my free covid test to the landfill. Got sick, never went to the doctor or wore a mask and kept working.

[Rockstar]

Obviously this more fake news, everyone knows we don’t have military personnel in combat zones

Rocket attack launched against U.S. soldiers at the Conoco military base in Syria.

[mapuc]

Funds or no funds for FEMA, the Hurricane Milton is expected to be the worse in 100 years. If this should be correct, then there will be a lot of job for the FEMA people after Milton.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Funds or no funds for FEMA, the Hurricane Milton is expected to be the worse in 100 years. If this should be correct, then there will be a lot of job for the FEMA people after Milton.

Markus

Thats not how it works. The governor of the state organizes the response which may include asking for federal assistance. Even if requested the federal government does not just walk-in and take over.

[mapuc]

Thats not how it works. The governor of the state organizes the response which may include asking for federal assistance. Even if requested the federal government does not just walk-in and take over.

You're right I stand corrected.

I think the governor of Florida will put Florida in a state of emergency before Milton enten the land.

The Met was wrong they said it would go down to grade 4 and it did, then it should go down to 3, but instead it has gone up to a 5 again.

Markus

[Rockstar]

You're right I stand corrected.

I think the governor of Florida will put Florida in a state of emergency before Milton enten the land.

The Met was wrong they said it would go down to grade 4 and it did, then it should go down to 3, but instead it has gone up to a 5 again.

Markus

He did already a few days ago, and I evacuated to Tallahassee. The vast majority of the response is already staged. Linemen, lumberjacks, police, ambulances, fire trucks, search and rescue it’s all ready to go to work once it’s safe. I can also guarantee you, people here have a helluva lot more on their mind than the election season political hay over FEMA funding, Like if our homes will still be there when we get back, IF we can get back.

FEMA funding is I think mostly reimbursement of money the State has already spent on response, rebuilding and individual grants. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not say what FEMA does isn’t important, it is, especially those on the ground but their participation personnel wise is fairly small compared to all the thousands of people, private companies, national guard and other organizations actively involved.

[AVGWarhawk]

He did already a few days ago, and I evacuated to Tallahassee. The vast majority of the response is already staged. Linemen, lumberjacks, police, ambulances, fire trucks, search and rescue it’s all ready to go to work once it’s safe. I can also guarantee you, people here have a helluva lot more on their mind than the election season political hay over FEMA funding, Like if our homes will still be there when we get back, IF we can get back.

FEMA funding is I think mostly reimbursement of money the State has already spent on response, rebuilding and individual grants. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not say what FEMA does isn’t important, it is, especially those on the ground but their participation personnel wise is fairly small compared to all the thousands of people, private companies, national guard and other organizations actively involved.

DeSantis is on top of it. There was a build up in place from Helene. Not to mention Homestead FL is FL warehouse of relief supplies. I understand DeSantis has not taken any calls from Harris. Good for him. She is just doing PR for herself. FEMA help is coming whether he talks to her or not. She can shove the game playing.

FEMA gets funding at the beginning of the government fiscal year. This includes all government entities. The funds provided are based on what the agency spent the prior year. At the end of the government fiscal year(September) most agencies blow through the funds so next years funds remain the same or higher if needed. FEMA, like all of the other government entities are waiting on their funding for 2025.

What FEMA provides:
Water
Tarps
cots/bedding
Mobile home
Toddler kits in reefer trailers
Mortuary trailers
MRE
Cash assistance
Infrastructure support
And more.

What is FEMA up against after storm? The same as everyone else.

Communications down(the have satellite phones to compensate).
No electricity(which means no fuel) Tankers of fuel are transported to the affected area so tractor trailers can fuel and keep supplies moving.
Airport with electricity(no control tower) Control towers are set up usually via military so aircraft can be directed in and out safely.

FEMA has a wide reach. Haiti, Pago Pago, etc. They charter aircraft. Send pole trucks and poles/wires to rebuild infrastructure(Pago Pago). Then there i is clean up. FEMA coverers construction equipment to load debris and truck it away. Thankfully the Russians do help in many situations. The Antonov was integral in getting supplies to Pago Pago. Trucks and equipment. I had the opportunity to board an Antonov 124 after running supplies to Pago Pago. The pilots were very accommodating and enjoyed their job.

https://i.imgur.com/EBLZp8q.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Ic6evzQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cCipn57.jpg

I cut my teeth with FEMA after Katrina. It took 5 years before FEMA cut it's last check for this storm. I have worked every major storm since. It is a daunting task truth be told. FEMA is a much needed government entity.

I hope all Floridians are in a safe spot and weather this storm with minimal damage. The storm is as strong as Katrina. I fear the worst for FL. Stay safe!

[AVGWarhawk]

Tim Walz said the Electoral College needs to go. Hey Tim, I thought you were a champion of saving democracy. Idiot.



https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/us/politics/tim-walz-electoral-college.html

[Jimbuna]

Trump holds 5-point lead over Harris in Texas survey

Former President Trump holds a 5-point lead over Vice President Harris in the red-leaning state of Texas less than 30 days before Election Day, according to a new survey.

The poll, released Tuesday from Florida Atlantic University/Mainstreet Research, shows the GOP nominee outpacing Harris 50 percent to 45 percent among registered voters in the state. Some 2 percent sided with another candidate while 3 percent were undecided. The former president had the same advantage among likely voters.

While the two White House candidates are statistically tied with women, Trump leads Harris by double digits, 53 percent to 42 percent, among men. He is also ahead with white, non-college educated voters by more than 30 points, bringing in 63 percent to the vice president’s 31 percent, according to the survey.

The advantage was much narrower among college-educated voters, where the GOP presidential nominee bested the vice president 56 percent to 42 percent, the data shows.

The latest survey also shows incumbent Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) leading his Democratic challenger, Rep. Colin Allred, in the Senate race by 3 points.

Another recent poll published Tuesday from the New York Times/Siena College found Trump ahead by 6 percentage points over Harris in Texas. Trump beat President Joe Biden in 2020 by over 5 percent in the state.

The Hill/Decision Desk HQ’s latest aggregate of polls shows Trump with a 5.4-point lead over Harris, 50.8 percent to 45.4 percent.

The FAU survey was conducted Oct. 2-6 among 811 registered voters in the Lone Star State. The margin of error is 3.4 percentage points at the 95 percent confidence level.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4923716-donald-trump-kamala-harris-texas-survey-2024/

[Skybird]

Trump said in some radio interview that he recently "was in Gaza" :o and that he thinks the strip has the potential to be even more magnificent than Monacco. :roll:

He starts to sound like mumbling Biden. Excessive verbal comments and fantasy interludes are also a psychiatrically relevant sign of age-related neurodegenerative decline. :03: Just saying.

How does "president J.D. Vance" sound in your ears?

[Rockstar]

Tim Walz said the Electoral College needs to go. Hey Tim, I thought you were a champion of saving democracy. Idiot.



https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/us/politics/tim-walz-electoral-college.html

Clinton said the same thing after she lost and still does.

Going after individual rights.

https://youtu.be/nyCJ8qhGjkg

And now this, where she, John Kerry and Gates are demanding control of media.

https://youtu.be/2nQwFz0BoBw

This isn’t just Clinton & her own thoughts this is the Democrat party line, she’s just saying the quiet part out loud.

[mapuc]

I have noticed that both side are painting doomsday scenarios on what would happen if the opposite side wins the Presidential election.

What if one or more of these doomsday scenario are being imposed on their own side ?

E.g Democrats supporters are using this Project 2025 as one of their doomsday scenario-What if the Dems impose it them self when and if they win the Presidential election ?

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I have noticed that both side are painting doomsday scenarios on what would happen if the opposite side wins the Presidential election.

What if one or more of these doomsday scenario are being imposed on their own side ?

E.g Democrats supporters are using this Project 2025 as one of their doomsday scenario-What if the Dems impose it them self when and if they win the Presidential election ?

Markus

The dems are painting the same 2016 doomsday if Trumps wins. Last I checked their predictions or claims did not come true. Yet, Harris states Trump is using the same old paybook. :doh:

[Reece]

Trump said in some radio interview that he recently "was in Gaza" :o and that he thinks the strip has the potential to be even more magnificent than Monacco. :roll:

He starts to sound like mumbling Biden. Excessive verbal comments and fantasy interludes are also a psychiatrically relevant sign of age-related neurodegenerative decline. :03: Just saying.

How does "president J.D. Vance" sound in your ears?
Don't threaten me!! :k_confused:

[August]

Don't threaten me!! :k_confused:


Do you even know why you hate him Reece?

[Reece]

I don't hate him but I don't like him either, just my opinion, I call him shady Vance!! :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Clinton said the same thing after she lost and still does.

Going after individual rights.

https://youtu.be/nyCJ8qhGjkg

And now this, where she, John Kerry and Gates are demanding control of media.

https://youtu.be/2nQwFz0BoBw

This isn’t just Clinton & her own thoughts this is the Democrat party line, she’s just saying the quiet part out loud.

Hillary's campaign played the game wrong and lost. Let's change the rules and control the media so they can win. Drunk with power and it shows.

[Jimbuna]

With 26 days until the election, the polls continue to show the race is shaping up to be one of the closest in history.

A Peterson Foundation survey of the swing states shows Kamala Harris leading Donald Trump in Michigan, North Carolina, Nevada, Arizona and Wisconsin by two points or less.

In Georgia and Pennsylvania, it is a dead heat.

A Reuters poll meanwhile shows the Vice President leading among suburban voters - the households that make up around half the electorate - by 47 percent to 41 percent.

[AVGWarhawk]

With 26 days until the election, the polls continue to show the race is shaping up to be one of the closest in history.

A Peterson Foundation survey of the swing states shows Kamala Harris leading Donald Trump in Michigan, North Carolina, Nevada, Arizona and Wisconsin by two points or less.

In Georgia and Pennsylvania, it is a dead heat.

A Reuters poll meanwhile shows the Vice President leading among suburban voters - the households that make up around half the electorate - by 47 percent to 41 percent.

Harris can kiss NC goodbye. GA as well. This is the result of poor response after the storm.

[Jimbuna]

Harris can kiss NC goodbye. GA as well. This is the result of poor response after the storm.

Just imagine, if Trump were POTUS yesterday, he would have prevented the storm becoming a reality :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

Just imagine, if Trump were POTUS yesterday, he would have prevented the storm becoming a reality :O:

Sounds like a true statement coming from Trump!! :har: The guy is a whacko but less of a whacko then Harris IMO.

[Jimbuna]

Sounds like a true statement coming from Trump!! :har: The guy is a whacko but less of a whacko then Harris IMO.

Can't disagree regarding Trump but with each passing day I learn a little more about Harris and readily admit very little of it is positive.

[mapuc]

Sounds like a true statement coming from Trump!! :har: The guy is a whacko but less of a whacko then Harris IMO.

Wasn't it himself who once came up with the idea of nuking these hurricanes ?

Markus

[Rockstar]

Sounds like a true statement coming from Trump!! :har: The guy is a whacko but less of a whacko then Harris IMO.

But ya got admit ( you don’t have too ;) )in between the ramblings (which is what makes headlines) you least have an understanding what he wants to do while in office (which doesn’t make headlines).

Harris hasn’t said anything.

[AVGWarhawk]

Harris hasn’t said anything.

Well, she had a middle-class up bringing and......:har:

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhz3XcNzGU

Things were much calmer in 2017. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Whoopi Goldberg fires back at Trump after he called her ‘filthy, dirty, disgusting’: ‘You hired me four times’
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/whoopi-goldberg-fires-back-at-trump-after-he-called-her-filthy-dirty-disgusting-you-hired-me-four-times/ar-AA1s2V1f?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=d8b0d6393de843e88a1166d09dc3c768&ei=12

[August]

Whoopi Goldberg fires back at Trump after he called her ‘filthy, dirty, disgusting’: ‘You hired me four times’
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/whoopi-goldberg-fires-back-at-trump-after-he-called-her-filthy-dirty-disgusting-you-hired-me-four-times/ar-AA1s2V1f?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=d8b0d6393de843e88a1166d09dc3c768&ei=12


Why do you post this rabble rousing crap Jim? Who cares what Trump said about her or what she said about him? Nothing he has said is any worse than what she says about him on every show.

[Jimbuna]

Why do you post this rabble rousing crap Jim? Who cares what Trump said about her or what she said about him? Nothing he has said is any worse than what she says about him on every show.

Well lets see...Trump is happy to make countless boasts, claims and statements, many of which are lies and insults so this being a forum for discussion and individual opinions I thought it acceptable and appropriate Dave.

[August]

Well lets see...Trump is happy to make countless boasts, claims and statements, many of which are lies and insults so this being a forum for discussion and individual opinions I thought it acceptable and appropriate Dave.


You did huh? Well Trump is accused by the MSN of far more than he actually said and is deliberately taken out of context for even more than that, and you are here just to amplify and incite it as much of it as you possibly can, but it contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion.

[Rockstar]

Why do you post this rabble rousing crap Jim? Who cares what Trump said about her or what she said about him? Nothing he has said is any worse than what she says about him on every show.

If you look at the link and source it’s all they read about in UK. They think the tabloid gossip articles the British media feeds them must somehow be important to us.

Fixed: “being a forum for <U.S. POLITICAL> discussion…”. Not British gossip columns writing about what Whoopi Goldberg said.

[August]

Perceptions. If you look at the link and source it’s all they read about in UK. They think the tabloid gossip articles the British media feeds them must somehow be important to us.


You're probably right but you'd think that Jim of all people would know better.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well lets see...Trump is happy to make countless boasts, claims and statements, many of which are lies and insults so this being a forum for discussion and individual opinions I thought it acceptable and appropriate Dave.

Whoopie never says anything nice about Trump. In fact, the entire gallery of whackos on the View have nothing nice to say about Trump. Just a little bit of her own medicine. :har:

[Rockstar]

You're probably right but you'd think that Jim of all people would know better.

He says it’s for the purposes of discussion and opinion but then never engages in any of it. I mean really, Whoopi’s Goldberg? Leads me to believe it’s just a hit & run trolling.

[Rockstar]

If a ya want to engage in US political discussion tell us why the United States Coast Guard has more ships INCHOP the Gulf of Aden than the British Navy can muster? :har:

[Jimbuna]

You're probably right but you'd think that Jim of all people would know better.

Am I meant to take that as a compliment? :)

[Jimbuna]

Whoopie never says anything nice about Trump. In fact, the entire gallery of whackos on the View have nothing nice to say about Trump. Just a little bit of her own medicine. :har:

Six of one and half a dozen of the other then :)

[AVGWarhawk]

Six of one and half a dozen of the other then :)

If it was not for Trump, the View would have nothing to talk about. :salute:

[Jimbuna]

If it was not for Trump, the View would have nothing to talk about. :salute:

Probably the same for a great many sources out there on both sides of the pond.

[mapuc]

I have to support Jim in this... When there's an article here where I live and it's about or with Trump, you can bet your shoes on it's negative. I know it wouldn't add anything to our discussion here in US-Politics thread, this is why I try to avoid post it here. If it hasn't something to do with justice.

Markus

[Rockstar]

I have to support Jim in this... When there's an article here where I live and it's about or with Trump, you can bet your shoes on it's negative. I know it wouldn't add anything to our discussion here in US-Politics thread, this is why I try to avoid post it here. If it hasn't something to do with justice.

Markus

Those articles in your country are directed towards you the European readers. Posting European gossip columns about what Whoopie Goldberg said makes no sense because Whoopie Goldberg has nothing to with politics, no one’s politics.

Its akin to posting an article about what kind of toilet paper Trump wipes his ass with. Just because it has Trump’s name in it doesn’t make it a discussion about U.S. politics.

[Gorpet]

Those articles in your country are directed towards you the European readers. Posting European gossip columns about what Whoopie Goldberg said makes no sense because Whoopie Goldberg has nothing to with politics, no one’s politics.

Its akin to posting an article about what kind of toilet paper Trump wipes his ass with. Just because it has Trump’s name in it doesn’t make it a discussion about U.S. politics.

I heard, Whoopi was going to be the next star of "Predator"2024 how she really is a Huntress .And she hunt's down.Anyone and everyone that could expose her as a"Weinstein" Girl a girl oh yes Whoop has some white skeletons.And all they got to do to live free is come forward. And the thing about Whoopi is the same thing about Oprea.They love rich White men.

[Jimbuna]

I have to support Jim in this... When there's an article here where I live and it's about or with Trump, you can bet your shoes on it's negative. I know it wouldn't add anything to our discussion here in US-Politics thread, this is why I try to avoid post it here. If it hasn't something to do with justice.

Markus

Understood Markus and I find it a shame when looking at the contents of some of the posts in this thread that some now avoid posting altogether.

The red line is and will always be personal attacks.

If civility is beyond anyone about to post....simple really, don't post.

[Dargo]

Understood Markus and I find it a shame when looking at the contents of some of the posts in this thread that some now avoid posting altogether.

The red line is and will always be personal attacks.

If civility is beyond anyone about to post....simple really, don't post.Correct if you have to stop posting because you fear personal attacks that is a form of suppression of free speech for some "their speech" is the only true speech like their democracy is the only that they want to impose on the world. They do not realize this is the same policy Russia and China impose on their own people.

[Rockstar]

You post off topic trash about Whoopi’s Goldberg in US political thread, you get called out on posting the off topic trash, then cry calling it a personal attack. Oh boy.

[Dargo]

You post off topic trash about Whoopi’s Goldberg in US political thread, you get called out on posting the off topic trash, then cry calling it a personal attack, my you are a sensitive type aren’t you. Oh boy.That is your opinion, personally think your off-topic is greater.

[Jimbuna]

You pick your choice after deciding which one to believe....far to early in the runup imho

Trump edges ahead in battleground states amid global conflicts

Adecisive, albeit not very empathetic, way to end the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East is viewed favourably by a particular group of voters in the USA. The "Wall Street Journal," an American newspaper, has published the latest pre-election poll results.

In this recent public opinion poll conducted by the Wall Street Journal, Donald Trump, representing the Republicans, garnered more support than the Vice President and Democratic candidate, Kamala Harris. This advantage is linked to his stance on the conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East.

According to the poll results, Trump and Harris received comparable support in seven key states that may prove decisive in the November presidential elections. The survey indicates that Harris holds a slight, two-point lead in Arizona, Georgia, and Michigan, while Trump has a six-point lead in Nevada and a one-point lead in Pennsylvania. In North Carolina and Wisconsin, both sides are tied.

When analysing the stance towards the two armed conflicts separately, in the seven swing states, Trump has a 50 to 39 per cent advantage over Harris in terms of handling the situation in Ukraine and a 48 to 33 per cent lead regarding the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

Another poll conducted by Reuters/Ipsos on the same day indicates that, on a national level, Trump and Harris are in close competition, with Harris holding a slight lead at 46 to 43 per cent.

On economic and immigration issues, Donald Trump has gained greater trust from respondents, while Kamala Harris is preferred in areas related to housing and healthcare.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-edges-ahead-in-battleground-states-amid-global-conflicts/ar-AA1s9yOo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=c5a67805ad04456e937073aed0b5c00f&ei=13

[Buddahaid]

Voted today. Yay for mail in ballots.:yeah:

[Rockstar]

Voted today. Yay for mail in ballots.:yeah:

Hope your signature on the mail-in ballot is the same as the one on the voter rolls. If Mable the volunteer poll worker and forensic handwriting expert thinks they don’t match your vote may get thrown out and not count. Good luck. ;) :salute:

Honestly I could never do it my signature is illegible and never the same.

[mapuc]

Is there any truth in Bob Woodward's upcoming book "War"?

'cause here in Denmark, there has been a few article where Trump in the book is called Fascist and other dreadful things. He should also be very dangerous for the Americans.

This is why I wonder if there's any truth in what Bob Woodward is writing in his book about Trump.

Even Biden and Harris get their turn in the book

Markus

[Dargo]

Is there any truth in Bob Woodward's upcoming book "War"?

'cause here in Denmark, there has been a few article where Trump in the book is called Fascist and other dreadful things. He should also be very dangerous for the Americans.

This is why I wonder if there's any truth in what Bob Woodward is writing in his book about Trump.

Even Biden and Harris get their turn in the book

MarkusI suggest read it Bob Woodward started working for The Washington Post as a reporter in 1971, Woodward teamed up with Carl Bernstein, and the two did much of the original news reporting on the Watergate scandal. He has written 21 books on American politics and current affairs, 14 of which have topped bestseller lists.

[mapuc]

I suggest read it Bob Woodward started working for The Washington Post as a reporter in 1971, Woodward teamed up with Carl Bernstein, and the two did much of the original news reporting on the Watergate scandal. He has written 21 books on American politics and current affairs, 14 of which have topped bestseller lists.

Yes Bob Woodward have a good renommé and yes he teamed up with Carl Bernstein and made President Nixon to step down

However-It seems like it's a thing to accuse Trump for everything, which happens in USA or around the World.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Oh boy European book reviews. Y’all getting paid to promote the book?

[Dargo]

Oh boy European book reviews. Y’all getting paid to promote the book?I am kicking the shyte out of my boss tomorrow, so thanks for the tip.

[mapuc]

An another attempt ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/clyvxxzzjqxt

https://nypost.com/2024/10/13/us-news/third-trump-assassination-attempt-thwarted-when-armed-man-arrested-outside-coachella-rally-sheriff-says/

Markus

[em2nought]

I think Brandon & Kamamma created a new class of citizen "the poverty royals" people so used to being handed free money that they now behave as if they were little junior despotic kings & queens. LOL

[Rockstar]

I think Brandon & Kamamma created a new class of citizen "the poverty royals" people so used to being handed free money that they now behave as if they were little junior despotic kings & queens. LOL

Maybe new class of citizen or maybe it was….

The 12th indicator that they may belong in a cult:

Final Conflict. Fearing destruction, the cult either attempts one final attack against the world or barricades itself up and enters into a state of siege. In the latter case, cult suicide pacts are common. The cult either destroys itself or lashes out against its often fantasized enemies.

Routh posted on X in April that “DEMOCRACY is on the ballot” — using the same catchphrase as Biden and Harris have employed against Trump.

"time to put Trump in the bulls-eye." - President Biden

"threat to Democracy" - Vice President Harris

so "dangerous" to Democracy that he "has to be eliminated." - Democratic Rep. Dan Goldman

"get more confrontational" - Democrat Rep. Maxine Waters

"I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country, and maybe there will be, when people realize that this is a policy that they defend," - Democratic Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi

the list goes on

[Shadowblade]

An another attempt ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/clyvxxzzjqxt

https://nypost.com/2024/10/13/us-news/third-trump-assassination-attempt-thwarted-when-armed-man-arrested-outside-coachella-rally-sheriff-says/

Markus


hard to say when they let him go ...

[Rockstar]

I know it’s not as important as what Whoopi Goldberg thinks.

But we have a major problem developing with our fleet. Aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines may not be sea-worthy placing crews in jeopardy.

In a letter to Congress on 3 Oct 2024, Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro said that poor welds were found on the aircraft carrier USS George Washington as well as the attack submarines USS Hyman G. Rickover and USS New Jersey. In addition, the welding issues were identified on 23 more ships -- a mix of new construction, ships in maintenance and aircraft carriers undergoing refueling.

https://i.ibb.co/VvpyQvT/IMG-0856.png
https://i.ibb.co/g7271vK/IMG-0857.png

[mapuc]

^ Sabotage or bad educated welder ?

I say it is the last. Just a feeling.

Markus

[Skybird]

Reminds me of Boeing.



Reminds me also of a debate here in Germany recently, that the many migrants in the workforce with their different cultural background have lower working ethics and that young people today have less willignness (and qualification) to deliver working quality and that this would hamper "made in Germany" even if Germany would manage to get sufficient foreigners into its labour pool.


The background with Boeings' problems is a different one, it seems, mroe with too many managers and bean coutners making enginbeerÄ'S decisi0ns for which they are not qualified.



Still, all these things remind of one and the same symptom: degrading quality in work and labour results.

[Rockstar]

^ Sabotage or bad educated welder ?

I say it is the last. Just a feeling.

Markus



You could be right especially if it were an isolated incident involving the same ship & shipyard during a specific time period . But if it’s as widespread as it seems it could be sabotage. Not so much that things start falling apart during the course of an uneventful deployment. But it could affect the survivability of our warships when engaged in combat.

[Jimbuna]

I know it’s not as important as what Whoopi Goldberg thinks.



Okay, I'll reply but just this once.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and as such you are now in the last chance saloon.

[August]

Okay, I'll reply but just this once.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and as such you are now in the last chance saloon.

This is disappointing to read Jim.

You repeatedly post provocative, one sided political articles that you apparently choose just to irritate half the people in this thread and now you're playing the moderator card because one of them pushes back on you a tiny little bit? That's not very fair.

[mapuc]

Got a question to my American friends here in this thread.

I read an interesting article about US policy in one of our newspaper here in a Danish or in a Swedish newspaper. If I find it interesting I may post it here in this thread-'cause it's about either a candidate or the policy.

Someone said it is for European viewers to read. I say it has as much valid place here in this thread as any post from you.

Is this wrong thinking ?

Markus

[Catfish]

@August
I guess you know who's the real troll here? Just saying.
It is this what keeps me from posting in Subsim and especially in this thread.

[Rockstar]

Got a question to my American friends here in this thread.

I read an interesting article about US policy in one of our newspaper here in a Danish or in a Swedish newspaper. If I find it interesting I may post it here in this thread-'cause it's about either a candidate or the policy.

Someone said it is for European viewers to read. I say it has as much valid place here in this thread as any post from you.

Is this wrong thinking ?

Markus

No that’s not at all wrong thinking in fact it would be a welcome change around here. I’d love to read your comments regarding US policy.

[mapuc]

While looking for some interesting stuff on CNN I found this very interesting article:

Why do we(The Americans) still have the Electoral College?


While the Electoral College has its defenders, there’s a much deeper bench of people who don’t understand exactly why it is that 538 electors, not 330 million-plus American voters, actually pick the president.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/13/politics/electoral-college-what-matters/index.html

I'm one of these defenders-The way USA is united, each state vote on a candidate and the candidate who get most votes-Gets one or more of these electoral In other words an election inside an election.

Edit
Got this idea where every votes count.The number of Electoral given to a candidate, depends on how many votes this candidate gets.

Example:
Candidate 1 get 10.000.000 votes and get 10 Electoral
Candidate 2 get 7.500.000 votes and get 7 Electoral.
Candidate 3 get 3.000.000 and get 3 Electoral
End edit

Markus

[August]

While looking for some interesting stuff on CNN I
Edit
Got this idea where every votes count.The number of Electoral given to a candidate, depends on how many votes this candidate gets.

Example:
Candidate 1 get 10.000.000 votes and get 10 Electoral
Candidate 2 get 7.500.000 votes and get 7 Electoral.
Candidate 3 get 3.000.000 and get 3 Electoral
End edit

Markus


So in other words you're proposing making it a somewhat more complicated version of election by popular vote instead of basing it on the results of each of the 50 states as was originally intended?

The intention of our founding founders was to prevent a few large states from controlling every election, because we are a union of (presently) 50 separate sovereign states. The electoral college was designed with that in mind by giving slightly more power to the small states and slightly less to the large ones.

Our Congress is also created in the same format, two separate Houses of Congress with totally different compositions. The House of Representatives are elected proportional to each states population size but the co-equal Senate is comprised of just two Senators per state regardless of it's size or population. Before the 17th Amendment Senators weren't even elected, they were appointed to the position by state legislatures.

This was all not by accident. It is completely endemic to how we were first created as a nation. Thirteen separate sovereign colonies joining together in a grand union. We had just rejected the concept of completely centralized system of government like the British monarchy and it's parliament that could push it's will on remote colonies without them having at least some say in the matter.

For our system of government to work it requires that the desires and opinions of a small state like Rhode Island are heeded as much or nearly so as those of a big state like New York because both are states and this is the United STATES of America.

[August]

Sometimes the truth shines through anyway:


Bill Clinton: Laken Riley's Death "Probably Wouldn't Have Happened" If All Immigrants Were Vetted

Posted By Tim Hains
On Date October 14, 2024

Wearing a camo "Harris-Walz" hat Monday at a "fish fry" in Central Georgia, former President Bill Clinton made some comments about immigration that the Trump campaign has jumped on as a dazzling gaffe.

Clinton referred to the death of Laken Riley, "a young woman who'd been killed by an immigrant," who Trump has mentioned in speeches and featured in campaign ads.

"If they had all been properly vetted, that probably wouldn't have happened," Clinton said. "But if they aren't properly vetted and that doesn't happen, and America is not having enough babies to keep our populations up, so we need immigrants that have been vetted to do work, there wouldn't be a problem. And [Trump] couldn't keep people all torn up and upset."

"He was supposed to be campaigning FOR Kamala," the Trump campaign said. "YIKES."

Laken Riley was allegedly murdered by a migrant allowed to remain in the country after being arrested crossing the border through the Biden administration's parole program for Venezuelans. The man is also an alleged member of the Tren de Aragua gang that Trump spoke about at a speech last week in Aurora, Colorado. His trial starts next month.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/10/14/bill_clinton_laken_rileys_death_probably_wouldnt_h ave_happened_if_all_immigrants_were_vetted.html

[mapuc]

So in other words you're proposing making it a somewhat more complicated version of election by popular vote instead of basing it on the results of each of the 50 states as was originally intended?

The intention of our founding founders was to prevent a few large states from controlling every election, because we are a union of (presently) 50 separate sovereign states. The electoral college was designed with that in mind by giving slightly more power to the small states and slightly less to the large ones.

Our Congress is also created in the same format, two separate Houses of Congress with totally different compositions. The House of Representatives are elected proportional to each states population size but the co-equal Senate is comprised of just two Senators per state regardless of it's size or population. Before the 17th Amendment Senators weren't even elected, they were appointed to the position by state legislatures.

This was all not by accident. It is completely endemic to how we were first created as a nation. Thirteen separate sovereign colonies joining together in a grand union. We had just rejected the concept of completely centralized system of government like the British monarchy and it's parliament that could push it's will on remote colonies without them having at least some say in the matter.

For our system of government to work it requires that the desires and opinions of a small state like Rhode Island are heeded as much or nearly so as those of a big state like New York because both are states and this is the United STATES of America.

I was thinking: As it is now the winner takes it all in each state. What if each votes count and yes the most popular candidate in some states will get more Electoral than number 2 and 3... So it is even today almost - The most popular candidate in a state gets all the votes=Electoral.

I'm an ordinary person living outside USA and my ideas should be taken with a smile. I respect your voting system...

Markus

[vienna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AafBunu-k2U




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[mapuc]

Seems like my few American friends on FB are very much Anti-Trump each and one of them.

This is what one of them posted half a day ago

"
Omg he is so unfit
Again I will say it for every accusation it's a confession by him,
He is the fascist just listen to what he says, right out of Hitler's book
He is the same who got his cult to attack the Capitol, he shows his fascist ways every single day
Remember people he has also said that he doesn't believe in our constitution
"

It must be hard to carry this much hate and being one-track minded. Never seen a negative writing around the Dems.

If this story is unfit for this thread, then please tell me and I will erase the text and substitute it with something else.

Markus

[u crank]

Seems like my few American friends on FB are very much Anti-Trump each and one of them.

This is what one of them posted half a day ago

"
Omg he is so unfit
Again I will say it for every accusation it's a confession by him,
He is the fascist just listen to what he says, right out of Hitler's book
He is the same who got his cult to attack the Capitol, he shows his fascist ways every single day
Remember people he has also said that he doesn't believe in our constitution
"

It must be hard to carry this much hate and being one-track minded. Never seen a negative writing around the Dems.

If this story is unfit for this thread, then please tell me and I will erase the text and substitute it with something else.

Markus

Well you know Markus that people say a lot of unkind and stupid things about politicians regardless of their party. Ignore it because the only things that really matter are policy and performance.

[Buddahaid]

Fox Harris interview in full.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112

[mapuc]

Fox Harris interview in full.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112

What is your verdict ? How did she do in this interview ?

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Fox Harris interview in full.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112

The interview did not help her IMO. But, she did go into the lions den. Never-the-less, we still come out scratching our heads. She answered no questions with any conviction. Spend more time disparaging Trump. She did not get any gotcha questions. She got policy questions. She failed. She should have stayed away from FOX.

[QUOTE=mapuc;2929525]Seems like my few American friends on FB are very much Anti-Trump each and one of them.

This is what one of them posted half a day ago

"
Omg he is so unfit
Again I will say it for every accusation it's a confession by him,
He is the fascist just listen to what he says, right out of Hitler's book
He is the same who got his cult to attack the Capitol, he shows his fascist ways every single day
Remember people he has also said that he doesn't believe in our constitution
"

It must be hard to carry this much hate and being one-track minded. N

[u crank]

The interview did not help her IMO. But, she did go into the lions den. Never-the-less, we still come out scratching our heads. She answered no questions with any conviction. Spend more time disparaging Trump. She did not get any gotcha questions. She got policy questions. She failed. She should have stayed away from FOX.


This guys assessment seems pretty accurate.

There’s no longer any denying that she’s a mindless, superficial candidate who in that interview instilled no confidence that she has the vision or aptitude to lead the world’s strongest military and biggest economy.

Eddie Scarry - D.C. columnist at The Federalist

[Jimbuna]

She (Harris) certainly didn't do herself any favours.

[mapuc]

I can understand she did not do well.

How does the other million of American have to say about it ?
What does the polls say ? Any changes from day before yesterday and today ?

A 9 hours old polls show Harris in the lead with 49 % against Trumps 46 %. Could not find the poll two days back though

The polls is taken from this page
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4x71znwxdo

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

She (Harris) certainly didn't do herself any favours.

Honestly Jim. "Kamala, why didn't the chicken cross the road?" "Because Donald Trump." She has not taken any responsibility for the past 4 years. Concerning the millions of illegals that poured over our border she takes no responsibility. Yet, day 1 Biden in the Oval Office with the use of a pen extinguished Trumps "REMAIN IN MEXICO ORDER". Then produce a bill for immigration that was not bipartisan as they claim. Six democratic senators voted against it. One Republican was for it. One. I guess that makes it bipartisan in their eyes. It was crappy bill for immigration. Yet, she blames Trump who probably did lobbied against it. But Harris plays it off that all republicans simply fall in line with Trump on everything. Then, after the bill is shot down, she does no more. Gives up. :doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

I can understand she did not do well.

How does the other million of American have to say about it ?
What does the polls say ? Any changes from day before yesterday and today ?

A 9 hours old polls show Harris in the lead with 49 % against Trumps 46 %. Could not find the poll two days back though

The polls is taken from this page
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4x71znwxdo

Markus

Ask any democrat and they will say "She slayed it!" As much as people say MAGA people are lunatics and believe anything, much can be same about Harris supporters.

The only poll you need look at is the swing states. She is suffering in WI, MI and PA. NC she can kiss goodbye after the poor FEMA response. GA as well. AZ is now becoming a problem for Harris. The honeymoon is over for Harris.

[Jimbuna]

Honestly Jim. "Kamala, why didn't the chicken cross the road?" "Because Donald Trump." She has not taken any responsibility for the past 4 years. Concerning the millions of illegals that poured over our border she takes no responsibility. Yet, day 1 Biden in the Oval Office with the use of a pen extinguished Trumps "REMAIN IN MEXICO ORDER". Then produce a bill for immigration that was not bipartisan as they claim. Six democratic senators voted against it. One Republican was for it. One. I guess that makes it bipartisan in their eyes. It was crappy bill for immigration. Yet, she blames Trump who probably did lobbied against it. But Harris plays it off that all republicans simply fall in line with Trump on everything. Then, after the bill is shot down, she does no more. Gives up. :doh:

Appreciate that Chris but I shudder at the thought of Trump winning.

At the end of the day it is for the US people to decide but I'm wondering if they're options/choices have ever been so poor.

[mapuc]

Ask any democrat and they will say "She slayed it!" As much as people say MAGA people are lunatics and believe anything, much can be same about Harris supporters.

The only poll you need look at is the swing states. She is suffering in WI, MI and PA. NC she can kiss goodbye after the poor FEMA response. GA as well. AZ is now becoming a problem for Harris. The honeymoon is over for Harris.

Thank you.
I made a further search and found this article from Forbes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/10/16/trump-vs-harris-2024-polls-harris-leads-by-2-points-in-latest-survey/

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Appreciate that Chris but I shudder at the thought of Trump winning.

At the end of the day it is for the US people to decide but I'm wondering if they're options/choices have ever been so poor.

We have had 4 years of Trump. The world is still standing. We have had 4 years of Biden(Harris who would not have changed anything). The world is still standing. All be it many are struggling to survive financially in the world that is standing after Biden(Harris). I'll take another 4 years of mean tweets over $7 for a dozen eggs.

[AVGWarhawk]

Thank you.
I made a further search and found this article from Forbes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/10/16/trump-vs-harris-2024-polls-harris-leads-by-2-points-in-latest-survey/

Markus

Concerning these polls, FOX(Trump is leading) MSN(Harris is leading) CNN(Harris is leading). These news outlets polls from those that watch the left and right leaning. In short, the polling is skewed for these sources.

I find this individual, that pulls polling from multiple sources to make an educated prediction of the outcome, to be the best. Only concern yourself with swing state polling and who has the edge. These are the states that make or break a win.


https://youtu.be/as-4PKv7aWg?si=pIo3fzvfXR1eYu1t

[August]

I shudder at the thought of Trump winning.


Why?

As AVG says he has already been president for four whole years so he should be a known quantity to you. The crap that the Democrats are slinging, that he's going to be the next Hitler, is not at all supported by his proven track record in office.

So what has all you Europeans knickers in such a twist over the prospect he'll be elected for another (and final) 4-year term?

[AVGWarhawk]

Why?

As AVG says he has already been president for four whole years so he should be a known quantity to you. The crap that the Democrats are slinging, that he's going to be the next Hitler, is not at all supported by his proven track record in office.

So what has all you Europeans knickers in such a twist over the prospect he'll be elected for another (and final) 4-year term?

What should make all shudder is the fact that Harris' handlers stopped the FOX interview. It was going down hill quickly. Harris looked angry for being there. They knew it. If she needs handlers to conduct an interview I can only imagine what her handlers will do if she is running the country.

[AVGWarhawk]

Straight from Harris campaign page. What happens when one group is overly favored then another group? Racism.

Really pandering and grasping here for black men to vote Harris. And a loan that is FORGIVABLE is really a gift. Not a loan. This is a desperate candidate.

Vice President Harris will deliver for Black men and their families.
Vice President Harris is laying out an agenda to give Black men the tools to build wealth and achieve financial freedom, lower costs for themselves and their families, and protect their rights—addressing the issues that Black men across the country have told her are their top concerns.

Provide 1 million forgivable loans up to $20,000 to Black entrepreneurs and others who have a good idea but don’t have the resources, connections, or access to capital to get their business off the ground
Launch a National Health Equity Initiative focused on Black men
Legalize marijuana at the federal level to break down unjust legal barriers that hold Black men and other Americans back
Lower costs by enacting the first-ever federal ban on corporate price-gouging for food and groceries
Lower rent and provide down payment assistance to triple the number of new first-time Black homeowners

[mapuc]

A thought- Many Americans see themselves as isolationist. Could it be that many of these Americans will vote Trump because he put USA first and want to withdraw from NATO/Europe.

Markus

[Rockstar]

A thought- Many Americans see themselves as isolationist. Could it be that many of these Americans will vote Trump because he put USA first and want to withdraw from NATO/Europe.

Markus

Who told you we were isolationist? It doesn’t take much investigating to see we are economically, diplomatically and militarily involved on just about every continent on this planet. Looking at our history the isolation argument normally comes around when deciding to fund or send American lives to fight in another European War. But we will always do what it takes to protect our interests abroad. Our offensive capable blue water navy isn’t just for show.

As for NATO, no U.S. president, not even Trump, can arbitrarily pull out of NATO. It quite literally would take an act of congress for that to happen.

[mapuc]

Who told you we were isolationist? It doesn’t take much investigating to see we are economically, diplomatically and militarily involved on just about every continent on this planet. Looking at our history the isolation argument normally comes around when deciding to fund or send American lives to fight in another European War. But we will always do what it takes to protect our interests abroad. Our offensive capable blue water navy isn’t just for show.

As for NATO, no U.S. president, not even Trump, can arbitrarily pull out of NATO. It quite literally would take an act of congress for that to happen.

It was some people in a chat who said they would vote trump. One of them called himself a isolationist
I have also heard the same in a weekly Magazine in our News channel called the Battle for USA. Here an expert on USA, once said that many Americans are isolationist.

What does google say about this ? So I made a search and found this page

A recent Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found a similar public tilt toward internationalism. In their poll, 23 percent wanted the United States to take a more active role in solving world problems, and 36 percent said that the current level of U.S. involvement is about right. In contrast, just 40 percent wanted the United States to be less active.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/election-2024-are-americans-turning-isolationist

Markus

[Rockstar]

It was some people in a chat who said they would vote trump. One of them called himself a isolationist
I have also heard the same in a weekly Magazine in our News channel called the Battle for USA. Here an expert on USA, once said that many Americans are isolationist.

What does google say about this ? So I made a search and found this page



https://www.cfr.org/blog/election-2024-are-americans-turning-isolationist

Markus

It’s not as cut and dry as ya might think. We’ve always had people claiming to be isolationists in this country, every country has them. And those same self proclaimed isolationists have also changed their mind and become interventionist.

Really, who in their right mind wants to go around sticking their nose in someone else’s business, attempt to solve the worlds problems, spend trillions of dollars on others or go fight someone else’s war, without knowing why, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t , not unless it’s in my nations interest to do so. Sounds like I might be an isolationist but reality I just want to be convinced.

Thats the job of every politician including yours, to sell us on the idea that intervention is in our country’s interests.

My impression of that CFR article is how dare you ask questions just do what we’re told, Trump bad.

[Skoaler]

Only a few swing states with (Woke) Govs and judges to count (Everything) in order to not offend the illegals.. the dead.. and of course the fraud ballot drops

[em2nought]

So DoD is now authorized to use lethal force on US citizens on our own soil???? Cool beans! They probably aren't even allowed to use lethal force on illegal aliens? Might next to mix a few of those fellers into our ranks to keep our current government from mowing us down. Hopefully all those woke MFs are as bad at loading as Walz. aka Elmer Fudd lol

[AVGWarhawk]

A thought- Many Americans see themselves as isolationist. Could it be that many of these Americans will vote Trump because he put USA first and want to withdraw from NATO/Europe.

Markus

Trump's first 4 years the word isolationist was thrown about. Is it such a bad thing? To right the ship the leaking holes need to be patched. This ship called the USA is listing. People are pouring in. Money is pouring out. Time to plug the holes.

[ET2SN]

Trump's first 4 years the word isolationist was thrown about. Is it such a bad thing?

We live in a global economy. The short answer is "Yes". :smug:

Unless you would enjoy picking through the five items at Wal*Mart before you barter for a butchered cow. :03:

If you REALLY want that cabin way off the beaten path, go for it.
Just try not to drag the rest of us along.

:Kaleun_Cheers:

[Rockstar]

Markus, in my opinion here is a great example of what I think it means to be an isolationist. Unless my government can convince me intervention is necessary the isolationist part in me says not my problem stay out of it,

Egypt is making moves to deploy military forces to Somalia, despite strong opposition from Ethiopia. Tensions are running high between Egypt and Ethiopia due to Ethiopia's construction of the Aswan dam.

[AVGWarhawk]

We live in a global economy. The short answer is "Yes". :smug:

Unless you would enjoy picking through the five items at Wal*Mart before you barter for a butchered cow. :03:

If you REALLY want that cabin way off the beaten path, go for it.
Just try not to drag the rest of us along.

:Kaleun_Cheers:

I don't shop Walmart. I just purchased a 1/4 of beef. 84 pounds to be exact. A cabin off the beaten path is not part of isolationism when defining a country.

[mapuc]

Markus, in my opinion here is a great example of what I think it means to be an isolationist. Unless my government can convince me intervention is necessary the isolationist part in me says not my problem stay out of it,

Egypt is making moves to deploy military forces to Somalia, despite strong opposition from Ethiopia. Tensions are running high between Egypt and Ethiopia due to Ethiopia's construction of the Aswan dam.

I can understand that many Americans are against US-troops in Ukraine-Does this make them isolationist ?

I also remember how strong the isolationism movement was during the 30's USA.

An isolationist is not against trade and economical cooperation with other countries, but they don't want US-troops in foreign countries. This is my view on an isolationist.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I can understand that many Americans are against US-troops in Ukraine-Does this make them isolationist ?

I also remember how strong the isolationism movement was during the 30's USA.

An isolationist is not against trade and economical cooperation with other countries, but they don't want US-troops in foreign countries. This is my view on an isolationist.

Markus

The Ukraine is becoming a money pit. When does it stop?

[Jimbuna]

The Ukraine is becoming a money pit. When does it stop?

That is a tough one to answer but one every western country should be facing up to.

[AVGWarhawk]

That is a tough one to answer but one every western country should be facing up to.

Yes, they should. Volodymyr Zelenskyy takes trips to Washington DC and leaves with billions. ET2SN only thinks world economy when it comes to isolationism. Walmart where a majority of the goods sold are from China. China is a problem.

[Jimbuna]

Yes, they should. Volodymyr Zelenskyy takes trips to Washington DC and leaves with billions. ET2SN only thinks world economy when it comes to isolationism. Walmart where a majority of the goods sold are from China. China is a problem.

I could well be wrong but I've always thought that the quickest way to bring China to heel would be by introducing a total embargo of all Chinese goods.

[AVGWarhawk]

I could well be wrong but I've always thought that the quickest way to bring China to heel would be by introducing a total embargo of all Chinese goods.

It would be a start! The world economy is based on the US dollar. It could very well be based on the Chinese yuan with little the US could do about it. Americans name China as the largest threat to the US. The FBI, CIA and NSA all have said China is the greatest threat to the USA. Do we all recall the balloon from China slowly navigating over the USA? Harris said Iran is the greatest threat. Both could be right. Either pose a different type of threat. China owns 380,000 acres of land here in the USA. Some parcels of land are near major USAF bases! What is wrong with this picture?

But, as stated, ET2SN loves Walmart that is loaded with Chinese goods. It is a world economy! Don't take him down the road of isolationism.

[August]

Markus, in my opinion here is a great example of what I think it means to be an isolationist. Unless my government can convince me intervention is necessary the isolationist part in me says not my problem stay out of it


Should the government need to convince every American that intervention is necessary before acting? After all American public support for Ukraine has always been around 60%. Should that not be enough?

[mapuc]

Should the government need to convince every American that intervention is necessary before acting? After all American public support for Ukraine has always been around 60%. Should that not be enough?

60% in support for helping Ukraine-Does this include boots on the ground ?

I support Denmark and Sweden sending military aid to Ukraine-My support ends there I'm not going to support boots on the ground.

Markus

[August]

60% in support for helping Ukraine-Does this include boots on the ground ?

I support Denmark and Sweden sending military aid to Ukraine-My support ends there I'm not going to support boots on the ground.

Markus


I believe the question just concerned continuing our military aid.

[mapuc]

I believe the question just concerned continuing our military aid.

I'm about to change my mind on the boots on the ground-Watching the latest video(I've posted it in our Ukraine thread) NK sending troops to fight side by side with the Russian and Ukraine has to fight them be them self. So far it's only 3.000 but this number will increase.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Tomorrow the redacted evidence in the DC election interference case will be released to the public in the court docket.

Trump's motion asking for a stay to "evaluate litigation options"(whatever that means) grated for seven days on 10/10/2024.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.260.0.pdf

Trump's motion to compel discovery dated 10/16/2024.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.263.0.pdf

"MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER
Defendant has filed a Motion to Compel Discovery, ECF No. 167 (“Motion to Compel”),
and a Motion for an Order Regarding the Scope of the Prosecution Team, ECF No. 169 (“Motion
on Scope”). Collectively, the motions seek an order requiring the prosecution to search nine
government entities for fourteen categories of information, and to produce any discovered
information to the defense. For the reasons set forth below and in a Classified Supplement that
will be distributed to the parties, the court will GRANT in part and DENY in part Defendant’s
motions, and require Defendant to file any further motions to compel immunity-related discovery
by October 30, 2024."

Trump's motion asking to extend the stay to 11/14/2024 dated 10/17/2024.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.264.0.pdf

"PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP’S
MOTION TO CONTINUE STAY OF ORDER
President Donald J. Trump respectfully requests that the Court temporarily continue the
stay of its October 10, 2024, Order (Doc. 260, the “Order”), through November 14, 2024, to allow
for the concurrent filing of the parties’ respective immunity appendices. In support, President
Trump states as follows:"

The courts denial to extend the stay order dated 10/17/2024.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.265.0.pdf

"OPINION AND ORDER
Before the court is Defendant’s Motion to Continue Stay of Order, ECF No. 264
(“Motion”). On October 10, 2024, the court granted leave for the Government to file a redacted
version of the Appendix to its Motion for Immunity Determinations. Order at 2, ECF No. 260.
The court stayed the public docketing of that Appendix for seven days, however, granting
Defendant’s request for time to “evaluate litigation options.” Id. (citation omitted). The option
Defendant has evidently chosen is asking the court to extend that stay until November 14, 2024......

......For these reasons, Defendant’s Motion to Continue Stay of Order, ECF No. 264, is
hereby DENIED. In a separate order on October 18, 2024, the court will lift the stay and direct
the Clerk of the Court to docket the Appendix, with the Government’s proposed redactions."

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm about to change my mind on the boots on the ground-Watching the latest video(I've posted it in our Ukraine thread) NK sending troops to fight side by side with the Russian and Ukraine has to fight them be them self. So far it's only 3.000 but this number will increase.

Markus

Interesting link. The site displays what countries are assisting. Lower on the page is a interactive map with monies provided to the Ukraine. USA $25 billion....

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

[AVGWarhawk]

Tomorrow the redacted evidence in the DC election interference case will be released to the public in the court docket.




Gosh, just in time for the election. What a coincidence. :doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

CBS hit with FCC complaint over edited 60 Minutes Harris interview: ‘Restore public confidence’

Imagine that.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cbs-hit-with-fcc-complaint-over-edited-60-minutes-harris-interview-restore-public-confidence/ar-AA1ssML8


How not to run a media campaign.


The announcement from the legal watchdog group marks its response to revelations that CBS edited portions of its recent 60 Minutes interview with Harris. CBS aired two different versions of Harris answering a question about whether the U.S. has failed to influence Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's actions in the war in Gaza.

In the 60 Minutes interview aired on Oct. 7, Harris said, “We are not gonna stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.”

But in a teaser clip of Harris answering the same question prior to the full interview’s release, the vice president offered a significantly different response that many conservatives derided as a “word salad.”

"Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by, or a result of, many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region," she told CBS host Bill Whitaker.

[Buddahaid]

Gosh, just in time for the election. What a coincidence. :doh:
None at all. This would have all been settled long ago save for Trump's delaying tactics and the SCOTUS ruling.

[Buddahaid]

CBS hit with FCC complaint over edited 60 Minutes Harris interview: ‘Restore public confidence’

Imagine that.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cbs-hit-with-fcc-complaint-over-edited-60-minutes-harris-interview-restore-public-confidence/ar-AA1ssML8


How not to run a media campaign.

Fox does that all the time cutting out Trump's bad moments.

[AVGWarhawk]

None at all. This would have all been settled long ago save for Trump's delaying tactics and the SCOTUS ruling.

Well sir, that's on the "system" in place.

[AVGWarhawk]

Fox does that all the time cutting out Trump's bad moments.

Cutting out is one thing. Replacing it with another is a different story.

[Rockstar]

Fox does that all the time cutting out Trump's bad moments.

Then gather your evidence and file a complaint with the FCC.

[Rockstar]

Should the government need to convince every American that intervention is necessary before acting? After all American public support for Ukraine has always been around 60%. Should that not be enough?

Yes I think government should make known what’s going on to the public and the reasons why intervention is necessary and from what I’ve read and heard they have when comes to Ukraine and Israel. Can you convince everyone? Of course not, but it’s like that in every country. Thing is if the U.S. doesn’t we get called isolationists by those who think we should. And if the U.S does then we get called war mongering imperialists by those who think we shouldn’t. Damned if we do damned if we don’t.

As far as this unfounded fear of U.S. isolationists taking over. One just has to look around and see we have a global diplomatic , economic and military presence which isn't going to change anytime soon.

https://i.ibb.co/Db0MrGq/IMG-0875.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

I guess she is just a knucklehead like Walz.

Kamala Harris plagiarism allegations ‘more serious’ than I thought, admits New York Times expert

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-plagiarism-allegations-more-serious-than-i-thought-admits-new-york-times-expert/ar-AA1ss8xu?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W129&cvid=6fb2a2d2434c4c74874cee6e3511d19b&ei=10

[Buddahaid]

Then gather your evidence and file a complaint with the FCC.

You first.

[AVGWarhawk]

As of today, Harris' campaign is getting bleak at best. Perhaps this is a lesson for democrats that installed a person they like without one single vote from their base is not the best recipe for winning in November. Harris did not getting one single delegate in 2020 should have told them something! Certainly the voting public at primary time would have said as much. But they were not given the opportunity.

[mapuc]

She(Harris) was given an A+ for here perfect performance in the FOX interview and now people should understand why some Rep is supporting her and why the Dem supporters are all behind her.

Now, this is not my words, It's something I read on FB some days ago.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

She(Harris) was given an A+ for here perfect performance in the FOX interview and now people should understand why some Rep is supporting her and why the Dem supporters are all behind her.

Now, this is not my words, It's something I read on FB some days ago.

Markus

Those giving her an A+ are ones that would give her an A+ if she just sat there on her thumbs humming Kumbaya My Lord. Sure, Rep can support her. Today Dem Casey in PA has announced he support Trump. She is floundering in the swing states. In short, the A+ and republicans supporting her is not helping. Also, for many, it does not matter who(repub/dem/whatever) they are supporting. They make their own decision without influence.

[Buddahaid]

Apparently, the DC evidence has been released already but I can't see it yet. There are four volumes amounting to about 1000 pages and about 80% of it is redacted to public view.

[AVGWarhawk]

Apparently, the DC evidence has been released already but I can't see it yet. There are four volumes amounting to about 1000 pages and about 80% of it is redacted to public view.


1000 pages. Great toilet ready I bet. Will the folks in Congress read it? Most don't read the 1000 page bills put forth in Congress. I'm not reading it. Glad you have the time to read it.

I'm just waiting for the media to use the oh so tired...."BOMBSHELL" in the headlines. Sigh....

[Rockstar]

For all you who mailed in your ballot, if you sent your ballot back weeks and weeks ago and you still don’t see it as having been received, call your local election officials. Many local election offices are being inundated by voters with similar concerns, so it may take a few tries.

When you do get an official on the phone, you should ask the status of your ballot — election officials may have information that hasn’t been posted yet. If they say it hasn’t been received yet, ask what your options are, if there are any. Hope your ballot doesn’t get lost or thrown out good luck :yeah:

[mapuc]

For all you who mailed in your ballot, if you sent your ballot back weeks and weeks ago and you still don’t see it as having been received, call your local election officials. Many local election offices are being inundated by voters with similar concerns, so it may take a few tries.

When you do get an official on the phone, you should ask the status of your ballot — election officials may have information that hasn’t been posted yet. If they say it hasn’t been received yet, ask what your options are, if there are any. Hope your ballot doesn’t get lost or thrown out good luck :yeah:

Seem to recall something with mailed ballot was thrown away if Trumps name was on the ballot-This was during the last election-I can remember wrong though.

Markus

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/yxMYev0c4xs

[Gorpet]

Should the government need to convince every American that intervention is necessary before acting? After all American public support for Ukraine has always been around 60%. Should that not be enough?

I,have as citizen,a ?... What will the American citizen get from this war ? Will i get lands, will NATO give me a governor ship? After all it's the Plumbers,Ele,Ac,Carpenders,Roffers, And every Ant that works a day job, That pays for this war. And i am certain The Biden Military has seen the Drone Kills.And there is only one ? How many of the New Democrat army is willing to face that? So Joe has said we will be there to the end.

I think,all of our politicians,here in this country are so corrupt,and at some point,there must be war...When ideology and the Masses come together as in the past there must be slaughter until one wins and the other cease to exist.

[mapuc]

Some have a lot and a lot of money.

But one trader has appeared to be influencing the market by betting millions of dollars on a Trump victory.

As of late Tuesday, the trader, only known as Fredi9999, has purchased more than 15 million shares, valued at $8.7 million, betting that Trump would win the election.

They have also purchased more than 3 million shares betting that Trump would win the popular vote, and nearly 1.5 million shares that Trump would carry Pennsylvania, a crucial battleground state that is viewed as the most likely tipping-point state this cycle. All told, Fredi9999's position is valued at more than $14 million on the platform.

https://www.newsweek.com/who-polymarket-mystery-trader-fredi9999-1969646

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Seem to recall something with mailed ballot was thrown away if Trumps name was on the ballot-This was during the last election-I can remember wrong though.

Markus

Oh no. None of that happened. The vote counting was clearly handled professionally with all involved. Very secure voting process. We also have found the fountain of youth and will solve world hunger next Tuesday.

[Jimbuna]

Oh no. None of that happened. The vote counting was clearly handled professionally with all involved. Very secure voting process. We also have found the fountain of youth and will solve world hunger next Tuesday.

You been listening to Trump again? :):03:

[Rockstar]

Oh no. None of that happened. The vote counting was clearly handled professionally with all involved. Very secure voting process. We also have found the fountain of youth and will solve world hunger next Tuesday.

Handing your vote to a dozen people you don’t know hoping they deliver it and not get lost in transit. Then if it does get to it’s proper destination it passes through the hands of more people you don’t know. Being short handed and inundated with ballots either will not care about a signature leaving open the potential for fraud or if someone is doing their job and comparing signatures could possibly throw it out because in their mind it doesn’t match. Blindly firing off your ballot into the hands of others without a chain of custody doesn’t seem very secure.

[AVGWarhawk]

Handing your vote to a dozen people you don’t know hoping they deliver it and not get lost in transit. Then if it does get to it’s proper destination it passes through the hands of more people you don’t know. Being short handed and inundated with ballots either will not care about a signature leaving open the potential for fraud or if someone is doing their job and comparing signatures could possibly throw it out because in their mind it doesn’t match. Doesn’t sound like some people really thought this through.

Nope, they certainly did not.

[Rockstar]

:D

https://i.ibb.co/kDbsY3k/IMG-0879.jpg

[vienna]

Actually, Re: Trump, given his behavior and utterances of late, the voters should demand he have a full competency hearing...



<O>

[Rockstar]

Four years ago today, 51 intelligence officials, including five former CIA directors, issued a fraudulent letter. To date, no one has been held accountable for this act of treachery.

It was no different than the Steele dossier set in motion by the Clinton campaign.

I would be happy if we demanded a competency test for voters. A lot of them are so unbelievably gullible and will without giving anything a second thought glom on to some pretty outlandish crap.


https://i.ibb.co/gdLtmf5/IMG-0878.png

[mapuc]

It looks like the left hand is not know what right hand is doing in the Democrats party-Heard that Harris tried to get in contact with the governor in FL with no success while Biden said it was a success in the conversation between Harris and DeSantis(I think his name was)

There were other cases too, but I remember this one best.

Markus

[u crank]

Actually, Re: Trump, given his behavior and utterances of late, the voters should demand he have a full competency hearing...

I know eh. That was my first thought when I saw Joe trying to shake hands with an invisible guy.

[August]

It looks like the left hand is not know what right hand is doing in the Democrats party-Heard that Harris tried to get in contact with the governor in FL with no success while Biden said it was a success in the conversation between Harris and DeSantis(I think his name was)

There were other cases too, but I remember this one best.

Markus




Biden talked to DeSantis not Harris.

[Jimbuna]

Elon Musk will give 1 million every day to whoever signs petition

Two words, 'money' and 'sense' spring to mind.

[Rockstar]

A pro-Iranian Telegram and X account posted Top-Secret Pentagon documents about Israel's preparation for its attack in Iran.

An American official confirmed to CNN that the intelligence documents are original and genuine, and an investigation has begun to discover the leak.

There is a significant concern in Israel that while this leak is already bad, there will be more leaks with information about target locations in Iran.

The Five Eyes is an Anglosphere intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

https://youtu.be/NeV9eZUNerM


Wonder who in the Five Eyes stabbed us and Israel in the back by leaking intel?

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/03/nx-s1-5098300/uk-suspends-arms-israel

LONDON — The United Kingdom’s decision to suspend some arms exports to Israel has angered Israeli officials, confounded the U.K.'s chief rabbi — and even disappointed many human rights groups that say it doesn't go far enough.

It also marks a shift in British foreign policy, away from being lockstep with Washington when it comes to support for Israel.

After months of public protests at weapons factories across the country against arming Israel, U.K. Foreign Secretary David Lammy told Parliament on Monday, lawmakers' first day back from summer recess, that the government is suspending about 30 of its 350 arms export licenses for Israel.

[Dargo]

Wonder who in the Five Eyes stabbed us and Israel in the back by leaking intel?

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/03/nx-s1-5098300/uk-suspends-arms-israelAnd I wonder the reason behind your question, certainly when you try to steer it to your special obsession of one country.

[Rockstar]

We all seem to have obsessions now don’t we? But I’m glad you brought that up so to be fair it could be top officials in the Biden administration like Ariane Tabatabai or others that haven’t got caught yet.

Hell it could have been Harris or Sullivan who after telling Israel not to enter Rafah did it anyways.

Maybe five eyes are all in cahoots and afraid Israel really would strike Iran.

Might have been Biden himself. He did threaten to withhold military aid if they didn’t comply with his demands. Which incidentally sounds quite similar to what the previous president was impeached for.

[Dargo]

We all seem to have obsessions now don’t we? But I’m glad you brought that up so to be fair it could be top officials in the Biden administration like Ariane Tabatabai or others that haven’t got caught yet.

Hell it could have been Harris or Sullivan who after telling Israel not to enter Rafah did it anyways.

Maybe five eyes are all in cahoots and afraid Israel really would strike Iran.

Might have been Biden himself. He did threaten to withhold military aid if they didn’t comply with his demands. Which incidentally sounds quite similar to what the previous president was impeached for.Thanks to take the bait, you saved me a dinner.

[August]

Elon Musk will give 1 million every day to whoever signs petition

Two words, 'money' and 'sense' spring to mind.




That's not at all true.

[Catfish]

Maybe you are right, or not. Ony Russia knows lol.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-promises-award-1-mln-each-day-signer-his-petition-2024-10-20/

Whatever, Musk should shut up.

[Rockstar]

If these images don't fill you with a bit of hope then the brainwashing has well and truly captured you for good.

https://i.ibb.co/WKLKHBn/IMG-0888.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/5c6VFm7/IMG-0889.jpg

[mapuc]

^ I guess it all depends on your standpoint- I as an outsider doesn't feel anything watching those photos, that is patriotism.

Markus

[mapuc]

Maybe you are right, or not. Ony Russia knows lol.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-promises-award-1-mln-each-day-signer-his-petition-2024-10-20/

Whatever, Musk should shut up.

Why should people we disagree with - Shut up ? They have the same right have their say as well as we have.

Markus

[Rockstar]

^ I guess it all depends on your standpoint- I as an outsider doesn't feel anything watching those photos, that is patriotism.

Markus

Not patriotism, nor perfection but rather strength of character.

[Rockstar]

Why should people we disagree with - Shut up ? They have the same right have their say as well as we have.

Markus


The Fascist’s conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State. Don’t agree with the Fascists you get told to shut up maybe even be subjected to years of lawfare.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1g88apd

[Torvald Von Mansee]

The fact the election is close shows that America is lost. Trump was clearly never fit to be President in the first place. I guess GOP controlled state governments gutting education is giving dividends at the ballot box. And, of course, a dedicated propaganda network doesn't hurt.


Make no mistake: Trump only cares about himself, not you.

[August]

The fact the election is close shows that America is lost. Trump was clearly never fit to be President in the first place. I guess GOP controlled state governments gutting education is giving dividends at the ballot box. And, of course, a dedicated propaganda network doesn't hurt.

Make no mistake: Trump only cares about himself, not you.

If Trump only cared about himself he wouldn't be running for President in spite of being targeted both legally and physically. He's been massively vilified from multiple Demoncrat propaganda outlets, prosecuted six ways from Sunday, had his businesses ruined and survived TWO assassination attempts, with more assassins known to be out there waiting for their chance.

He rich enough and famous enough that he doesn't have to put up with any of that but he does because he knows that the people who are doing this need to be bounced out of power or the country is indeed lost.

[Rockstar]

The fact the election is close shows that America is lost. Trump was clearly never fit to be President in the first place. I guess GOP controlled state governments gutting education is giving dividends at the ballot box. And, of course, a dedicated propaganda network doesn't hurt.


Make no mistake: Trump only cares about himself, not you.

Democrats are massively outspending Republicans, have almost the entire legacy & online media supporting them and almost all of Hollywood.

And they’re still losing

Kamala Harris disclosed to the Federal Election Commission spending a shocking $270 million in September, largely on ads.

President Trump's spending last month totalled less than a third of that amount, coming in at only $78 million.

Face it, if you’ve spent over a quarter of a billion dollars on political advertising it's probably time you shift what it is you're trying to sell…

As for your MacDonalds theory. Keep in mind the MacDonalds corporation and employees agreed to accommodate the president and everyone that showed up to open the store and worked (that in itself should tell you something) to cook the food was paid well. If it wasn’t for you kook fringe and brainwashed masses taking seriously the calls by Democrats to eliminate their imaginary threat to democracy and try to assassinate him the United States Secret Service wouldn’t have had to go through all the trouble of securing the location.

https://i.ibb.co/5c6VFm7/IMG-0889.jpg

Use your brain for once.

[Catfish]

Why should people we disagree with - Shut up ? They have the same right have their say as well as we have.
Markus
As some people see it they have much more right to say and the right to influence the 'masses' (read: normal people), especially when it comes to Elon.
Of course there are rich people who think they will be better off with the Donald at the helm and they finance his campaign, I just think that public persons like pop stars (be it right or left) should hold back with their opinion of the "right" president.

[mapuc]

As some people see it they have much more right to say and the right to influence the 'masses' (read: normal people), especially when it comes to Elon.
Of course there are rich people who think they will be better off with the Donald at the helm and they finance his campaign, I just think that public persons like pop stars (be it right or left) should hold back with their opinion of the "right" president.

Would you have said the same if he was supporting Harris ?

Otherwise I agree with you some of the way-People with huge influence should be aware that their opinion have a huge impact on ordinary people-But they should not shut up. On the other hand, why shouldn't they have this right to affect their followers ?

Markus

[Dargo]

If these images don't fill you with a bit of hope then the brainwashing has well and truly captured you for good.

https://i.ibb.co/WKLKHBn/IMG-0888.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/5c6VFm7/IMG-0889.jpgKamala started her career at McDonald’s will Trump decide to end his career there?

[Rockstar]

Kamala started her career at McDonald’s will Trump decide to end his career there?


No doubt she made the claim. Unfortunately there is no record of her ever working there. Which leaves her claim wide open to political accusations.

We will know if his career ends at MacDonalds come November.

https://i.ibb.co/5c6VFm7/IMG-0889.jpg

[Rockstar]

As some people see it they have much more right to say and the right to influence the 'masses' (read: normal people), especially when it comes to Elon.
Of course there are rich people who think they will be better off with the Donald at the helm and they finance his campaign, I just think that public persons like pop stars (be it right or left) should hold back with their opinion of the "right" president.

Harris has spent over a quarter of a billion dollars on ad campaigns to influence people to vote for her. Trump has spent 78 million dollars in ad campaigns to influence people to vote for him.

That money didn’t grow on trees you know. Private individuals, business, lobbyists and corporate donors contributed their money to fund those influence campaigns. But Elon Musk (a private donor) has to shut-up?

[Buddahaid]

No doubt she made the claim. Unfortunately there is no record of her ever working there. Which leaves her claim wide open to political accusations.

We will know if his career ends at MacDonalds come November.

https://i.ibb.co/5c6VFm7/IMG-0889.jpg

Completely staged Trump at McDonalds. The business was closed, and all the customers were Trump supporters brought in. Fake like all the auto union supporters and everything else about him although he would have looked better with the clown face.

[Rockstar]

Completely staged Trump at McDonalds. The business was closed, and all the customers were Trump supporters brought in. Fake like all the auto union supporters and everything else about him although he would have looked better with the clown face.

Damn Dick Tracey you figure that out all on your own? I didn’t know :roll: It’s called politics dude and apparently MacDonalds and their employees know their customer base because they were happy to accommodate.

In case you haven’t noticed yet politics is a big show put on to influence voters. Btw how’s that Steele dossier investigation going find those pee tapes yet? What about the Russian collusion, insurrection, secret documents, nuclear codes, threat to democracy, disparaging our military, walls don’t work? You swallowed those shows hook line and sinker.

https://i.ibb.co/5c6VFm7/IMG-0889.jpg

[Jimbuna]

That's not at all true.

Looks like it is true and quite a few outlets are posting to that effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxlbw9rHtA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRyYnWfcfv8

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/elon-musk-awards-1-million-check-to-trump-voter-in-pittsburgh/vi-AA1sEz59?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=43fdcdbd93be47cdb330fbbed946d2e4&ei=23

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-one-million-dollar-petition-giveaway-winners-1972045

[AVGWarhawk]

Looks like it is true and quite a few outlets are posting to that effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxlbw9rHtA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRyYnWfcfv8

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/elon-musk-awards-1-million-check-to-trump-voter-in-pittsburgh/vi-AA1sEz59?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=43fdcdbd93be47cdb330fbbed946d2e4&ei=23

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-one-million-dollar-petition-giveaway-winners-1972045



His money. He may do with it as he likes. On the other had, the money Harris is promising for votes is not hers and she cannot do with as she likes. :hmmm:

[Catfish]

Would you have said the same if he was supporting Harris ?
Yep i wrote "I just think that public persons like pop stars (be it right or left) should hold back with their opinion of the "right" president."
That would be asking too much of human beings, i know :03:
But it is insane how much money is wasted in the US only for an election..
So the one with the most money/donations wins? I guess not.

[mapuc]

Yep i wrote "I just think that public persons like pop stars (be it right or left) should hold back with their opinion of the "right" president."
That would be asking too much of human beings, i know :03:
But it is insane how much money is wasted in the US only for an election..
So the one with the most money/donations wins? I guess not.

Though more money you have, though more is the chance for you to win the Presidential election.

With this in mind a candidate like Harris should have the biggest chance to win the election-Since she has posted most money in her campaign.

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[Skybird]

https://www-welt-de.translate.goog/debatte/kommentare/article254115156/US-Wahlkampf-Aus-Obamas-Fehlern-hat-Kamala-Harris-nichts-gelernt.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp



However, his [Barrack Obama's] most lasting negative influence on the Democrats can be seen in the generation of politicians who followed him and tried to copy his recipe for success. Politicians who do not want to be elected on the basis of a political program and a vision for the country, but rather on the basis of their personality and, more recently, their demographic characteristics. Politicians who show little desire for political change and always have an open ear for rich major donors.


In addition to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, this archetype also includes Kamala Harris, who is always willing to change (https://www-welt-de.translate.goog/debatte/kommentare/plus252623170/Kamala-Harris-Nichts-wuerde-besser-mit-ihr-als-Kandidatin-der-Demokraten.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) her political stance when the spirit of the times demands it and who also prefers to give long sermons rather than woo voters with concrete projects that she really wants to implement.

But Harris lacks Obama's political talent. Instead of rousing speeches, her political arbitrariness means that her sermons seem pseudo-profound and incoherent. The main thing is not to commit to anything that voters might later demand. Her poll numbers may be more promising than Joe Biden's. But that is mainly because she has re-motivated core Democratic voters and not because she has tapped into new voting groups to the extent necessary.


This is not surprising. Every American has known since Obama's presidency that little of note remains of the flowery speeches made during the election campaign once the Democrat in question has been elected to the White House.

[mapuc]

The article is in a British newspaper and should therefore, according to some of you, aim for European readers-Well this article is about Trump and he is a candidate to being the next US-President.

In November 2016, Russian ultranationalist politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky was so excited by Donald Trump’s victory, and so sure that it would transform US-Russian relations, he splashed out on 132 bottles of bubbly down at the Duma, Russia’s parliament, and partied away (in his party offices) in front of the TV cameras.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g95r3lnr2o

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[August]

The article is in a British newspaper and should therefore, according to some of you, aim for European readers-Well this article is about Trump and he is a candidate to being the next US-President.


So how did it work out for him over the next four years?

[mapuc]

So how did it work out for him over the next four years?

As it said in the article-Putin are more concern that Trump may win the election on Nov. 5th. During his 4 year as the President he imposed more sanction on Russia.

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[Rockstar]

First thing Biden did was waive Trumps sanctions against Russia’s and Germany’s Nord Stream 2 project. Until he was forced by congress to reinstate those sanctions.

I reckon Putin saw weakness in Biden and his administration likening it to a rudderless ship and decided he could get away with invading Ukraine.

https://i.ibb.co/G3LY61P/IMG-0904.jpg

[August]

They've started calling Kamalas lies about working at McDonalds "Stolen McValor"! :haha:

[mapuc]

Musk's stunt could be illegal

But not everyone is thrilled with the billionaire's generosity. Pennsylvania's Democratic governor, Josh Shapiro, is not a fan, and in a program on NBC, he calls on the police to investigate the stunt.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/politik/musks-millionregn-nu-vil-guvernoer-involvere-politiet/10410617?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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[August]

Musk's stunt could be illegal



https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/politik/musks-millionregn-nu-vil-guvernoer-involvere-politiet/10410617?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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The Dems are trying to conduct lawfare again. Signing a petition is not voting or registering to vote.

[mapuc]

The Dems are trying to conduct lawfare again. Signing a petition is not voting or registering to vote.

No signing a petition is not illegal-What should be illegal is giving a voter money for putting their vote on a certain politician/candidate.

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