US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Skybird]

For this foreigner's simple mind, the reason for the Republican disappointment does not look any complicated at all. Just always hacking away at Biden at every opportunity and think that would be enough to win the elections while having nothing, practically really nothing to offer as a reasonable, constructive alternative than just the distorted personality cult of the golden and glorious Donald himself, proved to be a bit too thin as if it would convince each and everybody.
Another major reason imo is abortion politics, that activated many voters, I assume.

[Rockstar]

For this foreigner's simple mind, the reason for the Republican disappointment does not look any complicated at all. Just always hacking away at Biden at every opportunity and think that would be enough to win the elections while having nothing, practically really nothing to offer as a reasonable, constructive alternative than just the distorted personality cult of the golden and glorious Donald himself, proved to be a bit too thin as if it would convince each and everybody.
Another major reason imo is abortion politics, that activated many voters, I assume.

Each team had an election strategy and the better man lesser of the two evils won. Though I see neither party as having any real substance in their message.

[Buddahaid]

Democrat Katie Hobbs defeats MAGA Republican Kari Lake in Arizona governor’s race. Prepare for more election fraud ranting.

[August]

Democrat Katie Hobbs defeats MAGA Republican Kari Lake in Arizona governor’s race. Prepare for more election fraud ranting.


Yep because only republicans claim fraud when they loose right?

[Buddahaid]

Yep because only republicans claim fraud when they loose right?

No, but the MAGA party claims it for every loss. It can't possibly be anything else you know....

[August]

No, but the MAGA party claims it for every loss. It can't possibly be anything else you know....




So is it like some kind of official MAGA party announcement? BTW has Cankles stopped claiming the 2016 election was stolen yet?


217 and counting.

[Rockstar]

So is it like some kind of official MAGA party announcement? BTW has Cankles stopped claiming the 2016 election was stolen yet?


217 and counting.


I think Hillary Clinton, Al Gore and Terry McAuliffe are still pouting too.

[mapuc]

Hillary Clinton lost due to the election system you have-despite she got 1-2 million more votes. Is this the same as saying it was stolen ? NO accuse the election system you have.

Al-Gore lost in a court - If I remember correctly. Could he say it was stolen ?Maybe but then he should blame the election system you have and the court.

The other person - here I have no clue.

Markus

[les green01]

Hillary Clinton lost due to the election system you have-despite she got 1-2 million more votes. Is this the same as saying it was stolen ? NO accuse the election system you have.

Al-Gore lost in a court - If I remember correctly. Could he say it was stolen ?Maybe but then he should blame the election system you have and the court.

The other person - here I have no clue.

Markus

reason she lost is she thought it was in the bag in missouri she didn't even campaign no ads i only seen one sign of hers in missouri the system has work for over 200 years if you lose suck it up move on that goes for both parties it like my buddy use to say a democrat knows how a poor man feels i told him show me a politician that is poor

[August]

reason she lost is she thought it was in the bag in missouri she didn't even campaign no ads i only seen one sign of hers in missouri the system has work for over 200 years if you lose suck it up move on that goes for both parties it like my buddy use to say a democrat knows how a poor man feels i told him show me a politician that is poor


Les you should really start using punctuation. I had to read your post three times before I realized there should be a period between bag and in.

[Buddahaid]

Is Trump's announcement he's running in 2024 going to split the GOP? The GOP has already stated they weren't going to back him if he announced so I guess we'll find out if he eludes a felony conviction in the meantime.

[August]

Is Trump's announcement he's running in 2024 going to split the GOP? The GOP has already stated they weren't going to back him if he announced so I guess we'll find out if he eludes a felony conviction in the meantime.


The Dems would be doing the GoP a big favor if they do happen to manage it which is why I think they won't.

[Buddahaid]

The Dems would be doing the GoP a big favor if they do happen to manage it which is why I think they won't.

I don't think politics will have any bearing on Trump's legal problems from here on out.

[August]

I don't think politics will have any bearing on Trump's legal problems from here on out.


Well that would be a 180 degree change from the dems efforts thus far now wouldn't it.

[Ostfriese]

Is Trump's announcement he's running in 2024 going to split the GOP? The GOP has already stated they weren't going to back him if he announced so I guess we'll find out if he eludes a felony conviction in the meantime.


By now too many republicans (should) have unterstood that Trump is a roadblock rather than a stepping stone, and it also has become obvious that there are other republican candidates who can/may/promise to deliver the same things, but are more competent and less dramatic.
I don't think Trump can get anywhere close to DeSantis in the primaries, let alone defeat him. Afterwards Trump might leave the republicans and form his own party, but only a small part of the party will follow him, the majority will be quietly thankful.


The mid-terms have just showed that being Trump-backed is a way to lose elections.

[em2nought]

By now too many republicans (should) have unterstood that Trump is a roadblock rather than a stepping stone, and it also has become obvious that there are other republican candidates who can/may/promise to deliver the same things, but are more competent and less dramatic.
I don't think Trump can get anywhere close to DeSantis in the primaries, let alone defeat him. Afterwards Trump might leave the republicans and form his own party, but only a small part of the party will follow him, the majority will be quietly thankful.


The mid-terms have just showed that being Trump-backed is a way to lose elections.


I thought it showed that being Trump-backed means you're subhuman so anything is fair in the fight against you, 25% of the vote counting machines in Maricopa county malfunctioning for instance because Kari Lake is a Nazi? :03:

[Skybird]

Lats night's not-so-new "news" is good news for the Democrats and bad news for democracy.

[u crank]

... so I guess we'll find out if he eludes a felony conviction in the meantime.

There are those who believe that this may be the reason why he is running. If Biden's DOJ tries to indict him he can claim any number of things, but mainly that the Dems are trying to interfere in an election.

Oh man I gotta make some more popcorn.

[mapuc]

One thing is sure-The American politics will from now on and until Nov 2023 be very interesting to follow. Well even after the election it will be interesting to follow-If Trump lose-His supporters are going to...yea you know....

Will it be the end of Rep. ?
Will Trump run solo if he is not elected as their candidate ?

And so on(forgot what I had on my mind)

Markus

[August]

One thing is sure-The American politics will from now on and until Nov 2023 be very interesting to follow.


We are after all what has been called "A Lively Experiment" :)

[Buddahaid]

There are those who believe that this may be the reason why he is running. If Biden's DOJ tries to indict him he can claim any number of things, but mainly that the Dems are trying to interfere in an election.

Oh man I gotta make some more popcorn.

That may be his hope but his legal problems all have been well established before his announcement.

[u crank]

That may be his hope but his legal problems all have been well established before his announcement.

Well that we know. But like I said it won't stop Trump or his followers from making that claim. And I fully expect that the Dems will, while they still are in charge, try other things as well. Such as the 14th Amendment.

[mapuc]

Well that we know. But like I said it won't stop Trump or his followers from making that claim. And I fully expect that the Dems will, while they still are in charge, try other things as well. Such as the 14th Amendment.

I had to look it up this 14th Amendment and it made me even more confused.

You have told me that Dem has done everything to get rid of Trump-But the text in this 14th Amendment say something different as I understand it. It says:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Markus

[Rockstar]

When you think about all the accusations made that voters believed in. After six years of political dog and pony shows and boondoggles at tax payer expense that resulted in no evidence, no indictments, no convictions, only empty promises, statements and one massive amount of trolling. The only thing left for Blue Anon as evidenced by what some of them here have said. The whole point then and now is to prevent him from running again. And of course if you disagree with that then YOU are the one who gets called un-American anti-democracy, fascists and what not. So much for that thing called voting huh?

Oh but wait I forgot I was told voters don’t believe what politicians tell them anyhow. :har:

[u crank]

I had to look it up this 14th Amendment and it made me even more confused.

This would be the relevant section.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

[mapuc]

Thank you.

Another question-To use this 14th Amendment doesn't it require a sentencing ?What I understand Trump haven't got any sentencing yet.

Markus

[u crank]

Thank you.

Another question-To use this 14th Amendment doesn't it require a sentencing ?What I understand Trump haven't got any sentencing yet.

Markus

And of course that is true. He has not been convicted of insurrection or rebellion but that won't stop some of the more deranged Dems in Congress from trying.

[August]

This would be the relevant section.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


In other words "We don't want any damn Johnny Rebs or anyone else from the former confederate states running for US President unless they we want to make an exception (and that ain't gonna happen)".

[mapuc]

To become a President in USA you have to be born and have the American citizenship.

I know that in some States people have voted on animal like dog or cats.

With this in mind and the fact there's no rules about where they are born and whether they have an American citizenships or not

I'm going to let me 11 years old Female cat run for Presidency 2024.
Of course there will be a need of a few Americans to create the government.

Markus

[Catfish]

^
Good idea :)
But then your cat must have been born in the US (?)
Also what i take from the first sentence is that the first US president at least must have been a native american indian.

[mapuc]

^
Good idea :)
But then your cat must have been born in the US (?)
Also what i take from the first sentence is that the first US president at least must have been a native american indian.

Animals aren't mentioned in the law on who can run for Presidency
I'm thinking which one of you American shall I pick to be the cats stand-in and VP.
My cat is good at two things-Hunt for Mize and chase other cats away..Which mean some real person has to be her stand-in.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

The mid-terms have just showed that being Trump-backed is a way to lose elections.

It also is an indicator that he would lose in a general elections for president. IMO his running will prove to be a distraction and fodder for democrats. It has been for the past two years. At any rate, he will need to be nominated by the party. I do not see that happening. Ron DeSantis is the one to watch.

[Onkel Neal]

Lats night's not-so-new "news" is good news for the Democrats and bad news for democracy.


I'm not sure if you imagine the Democrats as the "Protectors of Democracy" or what.

[Skybird]

I'm not sure if you imagine the Democrats as the "Protectors of Democracy" or what.
No, not at all. Take both as two things, take what I said literally and not more and not less.

But I see Trump as the biggest frontal assault on basic democratic principles, starting with his lies about the stolen election and his motivating of the plebs for the attemtped coup - yes, a coup - on January 6th. Of all evils, I see Trump as the worst. Compared to him, Biden is a far lesser evil.



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Anyway, the Tagesspiegel comments, and it opposes a bit what I said when I expressed that Trump may raise the Democrats chances (and damage democracy). Maybe I was too early. We will know in a year after the candidates' race, and if he succeeds: after the elections in two years. Currently I think other have greater chnaces, but Trump will tear the party apart. Maybe there will even be a split, which might be a good thing, to sort the good apples from the foul ones once and for all.
Der Tagesspiegel:

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It all seemed like a B-movie, like a poor imitation of a Clint Eastwood production for the "man who wants to clean up". Far too much gold and bling-bling, and then the appearance of a major speaker: Donald Trump.

He just can't let it go. In two years, he wants to win and lead the superpower USA again. He, who has always been more presidential actor than statesman. What a performance.

Trump, notorious liar, pursued by prosecutors and parliamentary investigations, who still claims they stole the 2020 election from him - now in a new role? No. Rather, he promises a return to what made him strong: Promises.

And what promises. A golden age of peace and prosperity. Everything even bigger, better and stronger. No inflation, no immigration, no drug deaths, no Ukraine war. Death penalty for drug dealers, no men in women's sports, energy-independent USA, limited terms for members of Congress, and a lifetime ban on working as lobbyists.

And remembering 2020: the president making elections safer with ID cards, paper ballots and the obligation to go vote on Election Day and count all the votes. His people like to hear it. But how many more are?

Trump touts a movement he created. Yes, years ago - now it's turning against him. He won because he divided America; now he has divided Republicans, and his candidates lost at the midterms.

But beware. Trump is not beaten yet. Not in his party, not by the Democrats. Because he can still do something that no one else has been able to do: give the impression that he is not one of the hated establishment, but one from outside. One whom the others only prosecute because he is the best, the smartest. And because he is the man who cleans up the mess.

Bernie Sanders, the nation's left-wing conscience from Vermont, put it this way: the idea of another Trump campaign full of lies and division is a "horror show." But for those who didn't want to see a Republican in the White House, the candidacy was a good thing, he said. Thinks he.

A good 74 million Americans thought otherwise before. That's how many voted for Donald Trump in 2020. More than ever were for Barack Obama. For them, Bernie Sanders is the horror, and trash is no disgrace. B-movies are not infrequently liked and seen by more people than sophisticated films with nuanced messages and finely drawn characters. The script for the next election is just being written.
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[Catfish]

I'm not sure if you imagine the Democrats as the "Protectors of Democracy" or what.
(re Skybird)

I have no idea what Skybird means here, but i do not see the Trump (=republican as we see) approach to overthrow the constitution as a "protector for democracy" either.
Yes the try was amateurish and Trump did NOT walk with them as he promised, but he tried, in his own unmatched way of acting.
I do not see a clear cut between republicans and Trump.

edit: i wrote this before Skybird posted above answering Neal –

[Skybird]

I have no idea what Skybird means here, but i do not see the Trump (=republican as we see) approach to overthrow the constitution as a "protector for democracy" either.
Yes the try was amateurish and Trump did NOT walk with them as he promised, but he tried, in his own unmatched way of acting.
I do not see a clear cut between republicans and Trump.


Again. I first thought that Trump candidating raises the Democrats' chances ot win the election if the Republican candidate is Trump. And I also think that Trump by his mere ways and style, his acting, his record of past deeds, his brutally egoist self-focussing by which he thinks all state and events are just happenign to accentuate him as the navel of the universe and are only existing to serve his personal interests, is damaging to democracy. I mean he belongs into a mental asylum, not into public office.



I am confused. How can it not be obvious what I meant with "good for the Democrats' (party), bad for democracy"...? Have you guys slept during the four Trump years, the legal persecution of Trump, and during midterm elections?

[les green01]

^
Good idea :)
But then your cat must have been born in the US (?)
Also what i take from the first sentence is that the first US president at least must have been a native american indian.

nope see what happens when you don't build a wall a bunch of undesired and riffraff moves in and settles

[Buddahaid]

nope see what happens when you don't build a wall a bunch of undesired and riffraff moves in and settles

Maybe the wall is to keep people in....

[em2nought]

To become a President in USA you have to be born and have the American citizenship.


Markus


We're thinking of adding a line saying "You can't have ever been a bartender either.". :D

[ET2SN]

There was some speculation that Donnie Boom Boom could run as a third party candidate if the GOP snubs him. :yep:

Take whatever margins DeSantis can get then subtract 20 to 30 points. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

[Ostfriese]

I am confused. How can it not be obvious what I meant with "good for the Democrats' (party), bad for democracy"...?


They profit from it (or at least they think they will). If they profit from it, it's democratic.

[Catfish]

We're thinking of adding a line saying "You can't have ever been a bartender either.". :D
:rotfl2:

[Buddahaid]

Republicans win the house with a thin majority.

[MaDef]

There was some speculation that Donnie Boom Boom could run as a third party candidate if the GOP snubs him. :yep:

Take whatever margins DeSantis can get then subtract 20 to 30 points. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

What about a Trump/DeSantis ticket?

[ET2SN]

What about a Trump/DeSantis ticket?

That would depend. Who get's to be on top? :har:

[AVGWarhawk]

What about a Trump/DeSantis ticket?

Trump would not be interested. Trump likes yes men. DeSantis is not a yes man.

[AVGWarhawk]

There was some speculation that Donnie Boom Boom could run as a third party candidate if the GOP snubs him. :yep:

Take whatever margins DeSantis can get then subtract 20 to 30 points. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

The party will snub Trump. If Trump runs on his own ticket he will draw votes from the republican candidate thus assuring the democrat the win.

[AVGWarhawk]

Republicans win the house with a thin majority.

But enough to make for a lame 2 years. Pelosi is packing her things as the leader of the house. That is enough win for me.

[em2nought]

Republicans should vote Trump Speaker of the House and it solves everything, while making for an interesting two years! :D

[mapuc]

Republicans should vote Trump Speaker of the House and it solves everything, while making for an interesting two years! :D

Is there enough corn to make popcorn in the world if Trump becomes the Speaker of the house ?

Markus

[Buddahaid]

All he would speak about is how he was cheated and witch hunts after him....

[Rockstar]

Well looks like we’re getting for another round of investigations and special committees. Will it turn out to be just like the six years Democrats own political boondoggle and dog and pony show? I don’t know.

My biggest complaint about the last so called investigation was that after six years of games nothing was proven. Six farking years of absolutely nothing being accomplished at the tax payer expense. Conspiracy theories what ifs and could have been that just added to ranks of Blue anon ‘believers’ and Democrat trolls.

If the investigation of Biden and son goes on for any length of time. Then I suppose I’d have to conclude it too is probably nothing more than a boondoggle and dog and pony show.

Looking at the DOJ website. If you have actual evidence then these things shouldn’t take long to find apprehend and convict wrong doers.

Thinking back to Nixon, impeachment investigation starts and four months later. Having seen the writing on the wall Nixon resigned because they had real evidence.

[em2nought]

Well looks like we’re getting for another round of investigations and special committees.


If that's what happens then they truly have no idea why they were elected. If they don't shred the green new deal et al then I pity the fools. :arrgh!:

[August]

If that's what happens then they truly have no idea why they were elected. If they don't shred the green new deal et al then I pity the fools. :arrgh!:


Be nice but the Repubs only hold half of congress and none of the executive branch. They are not going to able to do much to dismantle the Dems agenda except try to cut the funding for it.

[Buddahaid]

Well looks like we’re getting for another round of investigations and special committees. Will it turn out to be just like the six years Democrats own political boondoggle and dog and pony show? I don’t know.....

Bring it on. Maybe after that US politics will figure out how to function in the crazy information age without choking to death.

[Rockstar]

“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.”

Oh my was there ever heaps of evidence for the above going on during COVID. Cowardly little idiots, gullible dumbasses, party morons afraid of their own shadow. The party faithful believing their party officials had the right to determine what is best for others health instead of you or your primary care physicians and medical professionals.

Party officials and the gullible party faithful then calling any dissenting opinions of medical professionals all deniers and of course anti-science.

“California State Assembly recently passed a bill, signed into law by California’s left-wing governor and approved by the state’s left-wing medical establishment, that any California physician who spreads “medical misinformation” or “disinformation” could lose his or her medical license.

Now, why was this law passed? Was there, for the first time in California history, some outbreak of doctors “misinforming” their patients about medical matters, thereby causing them harm?

Of course not.

The law was passed to stifle all medical dissent on issues related to COVID-19.

So now, any physicians who suggest that patients in the early stages of COVID-19 might benefit from taking hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin (both along with zinc) could lose their medical license.

There are, however, two primary explanations for the medical establishment’s ban on doctors prescribing or merely speaking well of these two therapeutics. One is that former President Donald Trump promoted hydroxychloroquine as a potential lifesaver, and if he promoted anything, There are, however, two primary explanations for the medical establishment’s ban on doctors prescribing or merely speaking well of these two therapeutics. One is that former President Donald Trump promoted hydroxychloroquine as a potential lifesaver, and if he promoted anything, the Left opposed it—even if it could save lives. The other is that if these therapeutics were acknowledged to work, the vaccinations would be rendered largely unnecessary and Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson would lose a great deal of money. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Institutes of Health and state medical boards essentially work for Big Pharma. the Left opposed it—even if it could save lives. The other is that if these therapeutics were acknowledged to work, the vaccinations would be rendered largely unnecessary and Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson would lose a great deal of money. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Institutes of Health and state medical boards essentially work for Big Pharma.”


Democrats new road to power, criminalizing the opposition. Long live the party. :salute: And people think Trump was the threat to democracy. Yet here we see the Democrat party and its faithful blue believers would rather criminalize dissent and prevent him from running for office as well as demonize a large population of peaceful protestors and denounce them all as criminals of the state. Attempting to take away the ability to make my own decisions with a vote. But that’s OK :roll:

1. Whoever purposely makes or circulates a statement of a factual nature which is untrue or grossly exaggerated or which may seriously harm the welfare of the Reich or of a state, or the reputation of the National government or of a state government or of parties or organizations supporting these governments, is to be punished, provided that no more severe punishment is decreed in other regulations, with imprisonment of up to two years and, if he makes or spreads the statement publicly, with imprisonment of not less than three months.

2. If serious damage to the Reich or a state has resulted from this deed, penal servitude may be imposed.

3. Whoever commits an act through negligence will be punished with imprisonment of up to three months, or by a fine.

https://youtu.be/aN6fzvYXdAs

[em2nought]

the Left opposed it—even if it could save lives.


The Left also well knew that a larger portion of the people (older) more likely to die would be Republican voters. :03: Two birds, one stone for them. They're positively giddy that the greatest generation with their common sense born of depression, war, and hard work is largely gone.

[Buddahaid]

Do the math. That greatest generation you keep refering to were already dead or in their nineties. Not a huge demographic.

A special counsel has been appointed by the AG.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63684546

[Rockstar]

Do the math. That greatest generation you keep refering to were already dead or in their nineties. Not a huge demographic.

A special counsel has been appointed by the AG.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63684546

Any bets the new and improved special counsels investigation will last two years? Maybe 1 years and 11 months if they can work out an October surprise. I figure only way it could be shorter is if Republican and Democrats were working together on his demise, it’s a possibility. To get him out of the way for their nominees.

[Rockstar]

The Left also well knew that a larger portion of the people (older) more likely to die would be Republican voters. :03: Two birds, one stone for them. They're positively giddy that the greatest generation with their common sense born of depression, war, and hard work is largely gone.

Geeze em2nought if you did your math you would have realized the so called greatest generation is not that large of a demographic to be concerned with anyway. Now as for our nations larger demographic of elders who aren’t considered the greatest generation, who cares about them? Gotta make room so the party faithful and the younger generation who can’t immediately find high paying jobs out of high school can move into their recently vacated luxury homes they worked so hard for all their lives.

You see, expanding our knowledge, finding alternatives to promote better health are not up for discussion. Apparently the Democrats argument is all about demographics, math, pharma vaccine as the only one true god, and passing laws criminalizing dissent. That is democracy! That is how we’re expected to move into the future. To Victory baby! :har:

[Dowly]

Had they any common sense, they would've taken the vaccine.

[em2nought]

Had they any common sense, they would've taken the vaccine.


The ones I knew died from other ailments while stuck in hospital alone with no family oversight due to covid before the vaccine was even available. :yep:

[Rockstar]

Had they any common sense, they would've taken the vaccine.

That’s an assumption and has nothing to do with any comments to myself, em2nought or anyone else. Go back to sleep.

[Dowly]

How about you stop editing your posts like a chickensh!t?

[August]

How about you stop editing your posts like a chickensh!t?


How about you stop acting like an angry little troll?

[Dowly]

Nuh-uh.

[Rockstar]

How about you stop editing your posts like a chickensh!t?

Lol. In case you haven’t noticed I edit my posts quite a lot. Because my writings skills suck and spelling is atrocious. But nothing what I edited takes away from the fact your statement is still an assumption which and had absolutely nothing to do with any comments previously made by me, or anyone else.

Now go take your nap and do try to stay on topic.

I realize it’s been a bad week for Finland having lost to Sweden.

[Catfish]

^ Science and reality give a sh!t about opinions and twisted ideas of democracy

[mapuc]

I realize it’s been a bad week for Finland having lost to Sweden.

If you mean Ice Hockey then I can inform you that Suomi won against Ruotsi 4-1 in something called Karjala Cup.

Markus

[August]

Interesting article by Bill Barr:




During the Republican primaries in 2016, I supported, in succession, every alternative to Donald Trump. I did not see him as our party’s standard-bearer. He was not my idea of a president. I could see that he was grossly self-centered, lacked self-control, and almost always took his natural pugnacity too far. While he could be compelling, I found myself cringing at his frequently juvenile, bombastic, and petulant style.
I also saw Trump’s strengths. I liked the clear and direct way he staked out a position and his willingness to state unpleasant truths that many were afraid to say. I appreciated that he was willing to confront head-on difficult issues—like unfair trade deals, or our allies’ paltry defense spending—that other politicians dodged. Above all, Trump had accurately diagnosed, and given voice to, the deep frustration of many middle-class and working-class Americans who were fed up with the excesses of progressive Democrats; the shameless partisanship of the mainstream media; and the smug condescension of elites who had mismanaged the country, sold them out, and appeared content to preside over the decline of America.
But it is now clear he lacks the qualities essential to achieving the kind of unity and broad election victory in 2024 so necessary if we are to right our listing republic. It is time for new leadership.




https://www.commonsense.news/p/bill-barr-trump-will-burn-down-the

[Buddahaid]

I don't have any real argument against that and it's the main reason I wanted him out, and gone, other legal woes aside.

[Skybird]

Just in:
Supreme Court clears way for House to get Trump’s taxes.
CNN points out that there were no noted dissents.

[August]

Just in:
Supreme Court clears way for House to get Trump’s taxes.
CNN points out that there were no noted dissents.



So?

[mapuc]

So?

Ahh I guess it's us the European who have an another view on American politics cause it was breaking news here in Denmark-When the news about Trumps tax paper was released.

Maybe it's not so breaking after all.

Markus

[August]

Ahh I guess it's us the European who have an another view on American politics cause it was breaking news here in Denmark-When the news about Trumps tax paper was released.

Maybe it's not so breaking after all.

Markus


It's a big nothing burger Markus. They are not going to find evidence of a crime that the IRS somehow missed in their many audits.

[Buddahaid]

Likely unless something slips out during the NY tax fraud trial that has now been set for October 2023.

[Rockstar]

IRS just sent me a demand I pay a whopping $13.52 due immediately. Apparently I missed something on my 2019 return.

Anyway this is what the SCOTUS used to allow access to Trump’s returns.

26 U.S.C. § 6103
https://casetext.com/statute/united-states-code/title-26-internal-revenue-code/subtitle-f-procedure-and-administration/chapter-61-information-and-returns/subchapter-b-miscellaneous-provisions/section-6103-confidentiality-and-disclosure-of-returns-and-return-information

SCOTUS Blog
https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/11/justices-clear-the-way-for-house-committee-to-obtain-trumps-tax-returns/

EMERGENCY DOCKET

Justices clear the way for House committee to obtain Trump’s tax returns

The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a request from former President Donald Trump to block the disclosure of his tax returns to a congressional committee. The brief order clears the way for the House Committee on Ways and Means to obtain six years’ worth of federal tax returns for Trump and his companies.

The court did not explain its reasoning, and no justices noted dissent.

The order is the latest, and perhaps final, chapter in long-running litigation that began in 2019, when the Ways and Means Committee, led by Democrats, asked the IRS for Trump’s tax returns. The committee said it wants to use the records to inform potential legislation on how federal tax laws apply to a sitting president. And in requesting the recors, the committee relied on a federal law, 26 U.S.C. § 6103(f), which allows the committee to obtain “any return or return information” from the IRS, including tax returns for individual taxpayers.

Under the Trump administration, the Department of the Treasury refused to turn over the returns. It was not until after President Joe Biden took office in January 2021 that the Treasury Department agreed to turn them over.

Trump nonetheless asked a federal district judge to block the disclosure of the tax returns to the committee. He argued that the committee lacked a legitimate purpose for seeking the records and that the real motive behind the request was to expose Trump’s finances and gather evidence to use against him in a criminal case. U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden, a Trump appointee, ruled against Trump, and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit upheld his ruling.

Trump came to the Supreme Court on Oct. 31, asking the justices to intervene. He contended that releasing his tax returns to the committee would violate the Supreme Court’s holding in Trump v. Mazars, a 2020 case involving different requests from congressional committees seeking Trump’s financial records. In Mazars, the court held that such requests must be backed by a valid legislative purpose.

The Biden administration and the committee urged the justices to stay out of the dispute. The Supreme Court has long held, they stressed, that courts should look only at whether there is a valid legislative purpose for Congress’ request – not at what other motives may have prompted it. And if the release of Trump’s returns were delayed, the committee added, it would “leave the Committee and Congress as a whole little or no time to complete their legislative work” before the current Congress ends on Jan. 3, 2023.

Moreover, the committee warned, a ruling for Trump on the merits would make it much more difficult for Congress to do its job: Congress would never be able to investigate a former president “whenever there are allegations that the investigation was politically motivated.”

This article was originally published at Howe on the Court.
Posted in Featured, Emergency appeals and applications
Cases: Trump v. Committee on Ways and Means

IMO it looks more like a fishing expedition.

[Otto Harkaman]

So does this set a precedent that all presidential tax returns are available for scrutiny?

[Rockstar]

So does this set a precedent that all presidential tax returns are available for scrutiny?

From the above write-up. The committee wanted it for “legislative purposes” and “whenever there are allegations that an investigation was politically motivated”. What ever that means.

The few narcotics smuggling and fisheries cases I’ve worked you actually had to have at least some probable cause or evidence that a crime was committed before you started digging around in peoples private affairs.

[Buddahaid]

So does this set a precedent that all presidential tax returns are available for scrutiny?

I think was the only president who didn't allow his tax returns to made public.

[Rockstar]

I think was the only president who didn't allow his tax returns to made public.


There are no laws anywhere on the books in this country requiring a president to make his private affairs public.. The first one to voluntarily to do so was Nixon.

[Buddahaid]

There are no laws anywhere on the books in this country requiring a president to make his private affairs public.. The first one to voluntarily to do so was Nixon.

I'm not disagreeing and I never said it was mandatory, however, Trumps efforts to put a stay on turning over the records was demied by a unanimous Supreme Court decision.

[Rockstar]

I'm not disagreeing and I never said it was mandatory, however, Trumps efforts to put a stay on turning over the records was demied by a unanimous Supreme Court decision.

True but as far as I can tell it has nothing to do with a law enforcement agency’s desire to collect information concerning a criminal investigation. It was according to the linked article done at the request of the Ways and Means committee, for “legislative purposes”. 26 U.S.C. § 6103.

I could be wrong but as mentioned earlier it looks to me like a fishing expedition. The boondoggle has been going now for 2,133 days and counting.

[August]

True but as far as I can tell it has nothing to do with a law enforcement agency’s desire to collect information concerning a criminal investigation. It was according to the linked article done at the request of the Ways and Means committee, for “legislative purposes”. 26 U.S.C. § 6103.

I could be wrong but as mentioned earlier it looks to me like a fishing expedition. 2,133 days and counting.


I wonder how long it'll be before they get leaked :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

I wonder how long it'll be before they get leaked :hmmm:

Who knows, what day does the October Surprise normally make the headlines?

[Rockstar]

Interesting article by Bill Barr:

https://www.commonsense.news/p/bill-barr-trump-will-burn-down-the


Look how they roasted Tulsi Gabbard over comments she made about U.S. funded bio labs in Ukraine. I guess that’s not presidential behavior either.

[August]

Who knows, what day does the October Surprise normally make the headlines?


One day in October?

[Rockstar]

One day in October?

:haha: Wiseass :03:

[Buddahaid]

True but as far as I can tell it has nothing to do with a law enforcement agency’s desire to collect information concerning a criminal investigation. It was according to the linked article done at the request of the Ways and Means committee, for “legislative purposes”. 26 U.S.C. § 6103.

I could be wrong but as mentioned earlier it looks to me like a fishing expedition. The boondoggle has been going now for 2,133 days and counting.

Put whatever label on that makes you happy. Obviously those legislative purposes were found to be binding so the 2133 odd days is curtesy of Trump's legal delaying tactics.

[Rockstar]

Put whatever label on that makes you happy. Obviously those legislative purposes were found to be binding so the 2133 odd days is curtesy of Trump's legal delaying tactics.

Put whatever label on it that makes me happy? I don’t say the things I do just to make myself happy. It’s my opinion based on what I’ve read and my take on the drama. The number represents the days politicians have spent at the tax payer expense on this political boondoggle drama, accusations, probes, committees and investigations from the day of his inauguration until today (2,134). They’re all getting paid and so the rich keep getting richer.

“Obviously those legislative purposes were found to be binding” What’s your point? The House Ways and Means Committee’s says it needs the information to ‘probe’ how the IRS conducts the auditing process for presidents. Really? Are you telling me Democrats in congress can’t legislate new laws without Trump’s tax returns? They seemed quite content to legislate Obamacare without reading what was in it.

I see it as just another boondoggle obviously you see it as something else. Care to enlighten us?

[em2nought]

One thing is for sure, we know what happens if you tell people you're going to drain a swamp. :har:

[August]

Interesting article:
Suddenly, the Media Becomes Scandal Deniers


By Tim Graham


The media excoriate "election deniers," but when it comes to the Bidens, they sound like scandal deniers. Suddenly, the cheerleaders and champions of live prime-time hearings of the Pelosi-picked Jan. 6 panel are scolding Republicans that they shouldn't waste everyone's time and money with hearings on Biden scandals.
Four years ago, Axios was touting "Democratic hit list: At least 85 Trump investigation targets." Politico ran a piece titled "How to Flood the Trump Administration With Investigations."
Now, Axios is warning "Biden-district Republicans brush off impeachment talk." Politico is also putting on the brakes: "The latest victim from House GOP's election night: impeachment."
Forget the revenge impeachments. How about simple hearings? The Associated Press put out a story with the headline "House GOP pushes Hunter Biden probe despite thin majority."
Does anyone remember a story headlined "House Democrats push January 6 probe despite thin majority"? Democrats are always justified, according to their Associated Publicists.
AP reporter Colleen Long lined up Democrats and nervous Republicans to sound alarms that the GOP is destined to overdo this oversight thing.
Legal analyst Jonathan Turley underlined this line from AP: "Joe Biden has said he's never spoken to his son about his foreign business, and nothing the Republicans have put forth suggests otherwise." Doesn't that sound like angry Democrats beating their keyboards?
The AP later revised that line: "Joe Biden has said he's never spoken to his son about his foreign business, and there are no indications that the federal investigation involves the president." Ahem — the charge is Hunter used his father's influence to rake the bucks. That involves the president.
The AP describes itself as "an independent global news organization dedicated to factual reporting." Wrong. They're a Democrat-dependent organization dedicated to left-wing editorializing.
Biden's claim that "I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings" is preposterous. Hunter's laptop proved that Joe Biden lies, repeatedly. There are emails and photos demonstrating coordination between Hunter, Joe and Hunter's clients. It's like Donald Trump saying he never met Stormy Daniels when everyone could see the hip-to-hip photographs.
Those so-called ornery cynics in the press couldn't be bothered to discuss the prospect of Vice President Biden flying to China with his son on Air Force 2 without discussing Hunter's planned business dealings on the trip.
An audiotape surfaced where Joe called Hunter on the phone about a December 2018 story in The New York Times on Hunter's dealings in China: "Hey pal, it's Dad. It's 8:15 on Wednesday night. If you get a chance just give me a call. Nothing urgent. I just wanted to talk to you. I thought the article released online, it's going to be printed tomorrow in the Times, was good. I think you're clear."
When White House reporters Peter Doocy and Philip Wegmann asked questions about this to press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, no one else cared enough to follow up. Time for a nap?
This underlines the greatest lie of the leftist press. When Republicans are in the White House, they insist it's their eternally solemn and noble duty to "hold them accountable" with energetic scandal stories. They don't wait for congressional Democrats to pounce. They do their own pouncing — or they coordinate it with Democrats, thinly disguised as anonymous "senior officials."
But when Democrats are in the White House, journalists seem more eager to scold the Republicans for wasting everyone's time and demand we all forget about accountability. The media's solemn and noble duty suddenly becomes building a defensive perimeter around the White House instead of investigating it. They don't do the people's business. They do the Democratic Party's business.

https://www.creators.com/read/tim-graham/11/22/suddenly-the-media-becomes-scandal-deniers?fbclid=IwAR1G1ajuBteqCPE0hv4i6pzGb9Wp9H7zQ SuWePSqgGbCWUMmfX5bSBm3Fec

[mapuc]

(An off topic input almost related to US-Politics)

Never given it any thoughts this abbr. IRS until Yesterday after having read your comment about the American IRS-I knew it was similar to our Tax authority and our post about Trump tax papers-But what does IRS stand for...searching...aha -Internal Revenue Service.

Back to discuss serious US-Politics

(End of An off topic input.....)

Markus

[Buddahaid]

One thing is for sure, we know what happens if you tell people you're going to drain a swamp. :har:

I think he did and the swamp was his intelligence. All that's left is ego connected to mouth.:hmmm:

[les green01]

intelligence In washington :har: honest both parties couldn't pour pee out of a boot :haha:

[Rockstar]

intelligence In washington :har: honest both parties couldn't pour pee out of a boot [even if directions were printed on the bottom of the boot.] :haha:


[Fixed] :yeah: :03:

[les green01]

[Fixed] :yeah: :03:

there you go:har::har: now when i see or listen to biden intelligence don't come too my mind and we know he doesn't know the buck stops here means but to help the dems out( The phrase the buck stops here means that the person making the statement will take responsibility for a decision. It emphasizes that no excuses should be made nor blame put on someone else.)

[August]

Private Bucklin: I'm tired, Colonel. I've had all of this army and all of these officers, this damned Hooker, this damned idiot Meade, all of them, the whole bloody lousy rotten mess of sick-brained, pot-bellied scabheads that ain't fit to lead a johnny detail, ain't fit to pour pee out of a boot with instructions written on the heel.

[Rockstar]

Oh look the California Communist Party not only passes a law making dissent and 2nd opinions illegal. Democrats and left wingers release thousands of pedophiles back into society without so much as a slap on the wrist.

It's frightening for society.' Thousands of convicted pedophiles in California are being released from prison in less than a year for horrific acts, including rape, sodomy and sexual abuse of kids under 14.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11453859/Thousands-convicted-pedophiles-California-getting-year-prison-time.html

Putin approves

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/10/article-0-1B5690AE00000578-659_634x800.jpg

[August]

The kid has a black eye. They probably told him to smile or they would give him a full raccoon eye.

[Buddahaid]

I hear Walker has filed fed taxes claiming Texas as his primary residence. Oops...

[Rockstar]

I hear Walker has filed fed taxes claiming Texas as his primary residence. Oops...

Stranger still is why Fulton County Georgia election officials even granted Walker permission to run for election in the State of Georgia in the first place.

Betchya it’s another nothing burger, another mountain out of a mole hill. IMO the worst that could happen, if true, is Walker would have to repay the State of Texas next time he files.

[Ostfriese]

You are taking the Daily Mail as a source? Seriously? :haha:

[Rockstar]

You are taking the Daily Mail as a source? Seriously? :haha:

Yes I did, granted it may seem they’re a little slow on the uptake. Because CNN first reported Left wing Democrat loons in California releasing pedophiles and pervs back in 2020.

Orange County California District Attorney, Todd Spitzer. “A champion for public safety” :hmmm:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/08/us/sex-offenders-released-early-california/index.html

[Buddahaid]

A Washington DC Federal Jury just found Oath Keepers leaders Stewart Rhodes and Kelly Meggs GUILTY of Seditious Conspiracy.

[MaDef]

We certainly dodged a coup, didn't we? :roll:

[Buddahaid]

Yes, we did and we're still dodging it.

[Buddahaid]

The South Carolina Supreme Court in an unanimous decision ruled that Mark Meadows' appeal to block his testimony before the Fulton County Special Grand Jury was ‘manifestly without merit.’ Meadows must testify on November 30.

Will he invoke the fifth in a criminal investigation tomorrow?

[Rockstar]

Who cares?

[les green01]

like who cares both parties are so guilty pulling the same crap dems likes to talk jan 6 but they don't talk about blocking major highways torch cities turnover auto's exe exe all they want is the witch hunt going do a trial then do a no hold bar trial of everyone in congress bet 98% be found guilty now if the both sides was really serious The country's largest Native American tribe, the Cherokee Nation, is ramping up calls on the U.S. government to fulfill a promise made nearly 200 years ago.The historic treaty, which forced the Cherokee people off their ancestral lands across the Southeast and onto the infamous Trail of Tears in 1835, was supposed to give them official representation in Washington in exchange.It has never happened.The treaty literally says the Cherokee Nation 'shall have' a right to a delegate in the House of Representatives."The non-voting position, similar to a role held by representatives of the District of Columbia, Guam, American Samoa and the U.S. Virgin Islands, would give the Cherokee a voice at the epicenter of political power.Delegates are able to sit on committees, introduce bills, and give speeches on the House floor, even if they cannot participate in an up-or-down vote on final legislation.There are currently six non-voting delegates in the U.S. House. No Native American tribe has ever been formally represented.

[Buddahaid]

Obviously not you, but it's another legal problem for Trump regarding 2020 election interferance. The testimony will also be provided to the Jan 6th Committee and their final report. Personally, I love watching all the legal failures surrounding Trump et al, and despite all their whining and whataboutism, the legal rulings are not politically biased but judgements on the rule of law.

[Rockstar]

Obviously not you, but it's another legal problem for Trump regarding 2020 election interferance. The testimony will also be provided to the Jan 6th Committee and their final report. Personally, I love watching all the legal failures surrounding Trump et al, and despite all their whining and whataboutism, the legal rulings are not politically biased but judgements on the rule of law.


You keep telling your self that ;). It’s been over six years now I imagine after all the accusations and blue anon conspiracy theories concerning Trump that Democrats swallowed hook line and sinker and just knew he would be going to jail each time. This is your last hope because it all ends when the new Congress convenes in January. Good luck. :salute:

[Buddahaid]

You keep telling your self that ;). It’s been over six years now I imagine after all the accusations and blue anon conspiracy theories concerning Trump that Democrats swallowed hook line and sinker and just knew he would be going to jail each time. This is your last hope because on Jan 3rd it all ends. Good luck. :salute:

The House will have no oversight of legal proceedings currently in process.

[Rockstar]

Whatever :roll:

[MaDef]

Yes, we did and we're still dodging it.
This kind of thinking is what we get when we legalized recreational marijuana use.

Seriously, The incident was nothing more than a protest that got out of hand and turned into a riot. In other words, The Jan 6 commission is a big waste of time, money and effort, and is an attempt by the current Congress to distract people from the piss-poor job performance of the Biden Administration.

[Buddahaid]

This kind of thinking is what we get when we legalized recreational marijuana use.

Seriously, The incident was nothing more than a protest that got out of hand and turned into a riot. In other words, The Jan 6 commission is a big waste of time, money and effort, and is an attempt by the current Congress to distract people from the piss-poor job performance of the Biden Administration.

That's what some would like us to think but it was much more and that will come out over the next few months.

Meanwhile, DeSantis backs off from challenging Disney's "wokeness" chocking on the billion dollar tax burden price.

[em2nought]

As pretenders go, we'd be better off with Rudolf Rassendyll on the throne. :D

[August]

... but it was much more and that will come out over the next few months.



And you know what has not come out yet how? Is your real name Adam Schiff?

[MaDef]

That's what some would like us to think but it was much more and that will come out over the next few months.
Haven't you got anything besides this? I've been hearing this since Nov. of 2016 and have yet to see anything but rumor and innuendo.

[mapuc]

Hmm this story fits both here in our US-Politics thread it also fit in our old mass shooting thread.
A sad story

A 10-year-old Wisconsin boy has been charged as an adult with first-degree reckless homicide after he fatally shot his mother, telling police he was upset she wouldn’t let him buy a virtual reality headset on Amazon.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/10-year-old-wisconsin-boy-charged-adult-fatal-shooting-mother-amazon-o-rcna59605

(To any modders-If you think it fits more in our mass shooting thread then move it to this thread)

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Donald Trump’s former top White House lawyers Pat Cipollone and Patrick Philbin testified again before the criminal grand jury investigation January 6-related crimes after Trump’s lost his motion to block their testimony by asserting executive privilege.

[Buddahaid]

Trump just called for abandoning the constitution because he didn't win in 2020. Do you still support this megalomaniac?

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?" Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgkYUNJIDWI


:walkandchewgumsmilie:

:O:

[August]

Trump just called for abandoning the constitution because he didn't win in 2020. Do you still support this megalomaniac?

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?" Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"

The years of unending persecution does seem to have had an effect on him. His major (only) appeal and his (one) saving grace now has always been that he is not one of them.

He is not a member of that still hated elitist establishment.

So I go back to my original rule of thumb. "Does he piss off all the right people?" Well yes he still does that, but unfortunately along with a whole bunch of the wrong people as well. So like I said maybe the witch hunters will do us a favor and actually get him this time.

We need a new standard bearer, someone younger who is a better master of his own pugnacity.

[Buddahaid]

I'm leaving the opinion video out now and just posting facts.

[Buddahaid]

The years of unending persecution does seem to have had an effect on him. His major (only) appeal and his (one) saving grace now has always been that he is not one of them.

He is not a member of that still hated elitist establishment.

So I go back to my original rule of thumb. "Does he piss off all the right people?" Well yes he still does that, but unfortunately along with a whole bunch of the wrong people as well. So like I said maybe the witch hunters will do us a favor and actually get him this time.

We need a new standard bearer, someone younger who is a better master of his own pugnacity.

I won't disagree.

[les green01]

Trump just called for abandoning the constitution because he didn't win in 2020. Do you still support this megalomaniac?

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?" Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"

and what did the dems do in 2016 block major bridges and roads made it where even rescue couldn't go through looted and burn and didn't say nothing for several days then got on tv and said keep protesting but do it peaceful oh one voting rule back during the founders era was one had to be a property owner too vote so to get votes a party would buy properties move them in other words buying votes stuff like that went on even to 1900's

[Buddahaid]

and what did the dems do in 2016 block major bridges and roads made it where even rescue couldn't go through looted and burn and didn't say nothing for several days then got on tv and said keep protesting but do it peaceful oh one voting rule back during the founders era was one had to be a property owner too vote so to get votes a party would buy properties move them in other words buying votes stuff like that went on even to 1900's

And what does that have to do with what Trump Twooted? More whataboutism.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/records-rebut-claims-of-unequal-treatment-of-jan-6-rioters-2/

[Buddahaid]

If anyone dies as a result of the Moore County power station attacks there will be causal murder charges brought. Sure makes me proud to be great again....

[August]

If anyone dies as a result of the Moore County power station attacks there will be causal murder charges brought. Sure makes me proud to be great again....


Already blaming Trump for this?

[Buddahaid]

Already blaming Trump for this?

Let's just say I'll be surprised if there isn't a connection.

[August]

Let's just say I'll be surprised if there isn't a connection.


Only connection I see is just one more baseless accusation by someone wishing fervently for it to be true. Much more likely that one of your side did this seeing as destruction of property is a common Demoncrat tactic.

[mapuc]

Regarding this Moore County power station attacks

Who says it is Rep or Dem supporters who's behind it..Do remember that USA by proxy is at war with Russia.

I'm pretty sure it's someone who support Russia-Not saying, it's some Russian spy who's behind it or God forgive Spetsnaz

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Only connection I see is just one more baseless accusation by someone wishing fervently for it to be true. Much more likely that one of your side did this seeing as destruction of property is a common Demoncrat tactic.

Of course and usually done by shooting crap up. :hmmm: What's the motive this time, BLM false flag?

[August]

Of course and usually done by shooting crap up. :hmmm: What's the motive this time, BLM false flag?


Shoot up crap, burn crap down, throw crap at innocent people the means vary but the effort is consistent. I don't know what the motive would be but then again you ain't exactly providing one with your claim of Trump involvement either so it's just as valid.

[les green01]

And what does that have to do with what Trump Twooted? More whataboutism.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/records-rebut-claims-of-unequal-treatment-of-jan-6-rioters-2/

All you give a **** about is mean old trump and the bad republicans and jan 6 so every time you do i'm going bring up 2016 and every thing else the dems done by the way trump didn't rearm the taliban the ones that gave protection al-Qaeda and setup 9/11 pull out the military while leaving cilivians there or look at his watch while unloading the coffins of service members that got killed,for someone who has said the buck stops here the guy in office blames everyone else including putin and where in my post did i say the morons jan 6 was getting unequal treatment far has throwing out the U.S. Constitution most free loving true blue ball americans not going put up with or do so trump shot himself in the head with that

[Catfish]

The "problem" is that so much republicans openly and still support a fraudster.
Time to move on.

[Buddahaid]

The "problem" is that so much republicans openly and still support a fraudster.
Time to move on.

Now he lies about lying...
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/8238/a8JtKY.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/5945/3ggv7y.png

[August]

The "problem" is that so much republicans openly and still support a fraudster.
Time to move on.




Fraudster is a term that applies to every politician that ever existed but especially the current ones. Which one would you have us support instead?

[Skybird]

Now he lies about lying...


Never say Liar again! :D


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/films/2020/11/03/TELEMMGLPICT000243605026_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqxUyqX_w n5RMR1e0_62zP1Svt37cjdnbbW_-phuopnac.jpeg?imwidth=480

[Catfish]

re August
I don't know, there are a lot more persons better suited for being PotUS.

[em2nought]

re August
I don't know, there are a lot more persons better suited for being PotUS.
You mean like today's career politicians? :har:

[August]

re August
I don't know, there are a lot more persons better suited for being PotUS.


A better suited fraudster in other words. And better suited how? A better liar? A liar whose politics would better suit you?

[Buddahaid]

A better suited fraudster in other words. And better suited how? A better liar? A liar whose politics would better suit you?

I'd be happier with someone from the GOP who is rational and doesn't operate on the level of a five year old crying in the supermarket aisle.

[Otto Harkaman]

a five year old crying in the supermarket aisle.

More aptly describes the Democratic party

[MaDef]

re August
I don't know, there are a lot more persons better suited for being PotUS.
Someone like Joe Biden?

[Skybird]

Arnie for president!

[Rockstar]

https://i.ibb.co/51v0m8Y/8-D0-EE79-C-6-F53-4190-8-C6-C-C17-F19-A33875.jpg

[mapuc]

A good friend of mine, who is pro... posted this on his wall

The difference....
I still love my democrat friends and family but, you see it your way and I see it mine. You saw Trump’s arrogance, I saw Trump’s confidence. You saw Trump’s nationalism, I saw Trump’s patriotism. You heard Trump’s unsophisticated words, I heard Trump’s honesty.

You saw Trump’s racism, I saw Trump’s words being misconstrued and twisted by the media daily to fit their narrative. You saw Trump as a Republican, I saw Trump as a Patriot. You saw Trump as a dictator, I saw Trump as a leader. You saw Trump as an Authoritarian, I saw Trump as the only one willing to fight for our freedoms.

You saw Trump as childish, I saw Trump as a fighter, unwilling to cave to lies. You saw Trump as an unpolished politician, I saw Trump as a breath of fresh air. You believe Trump hates immigrants, I know Trump married an immigrant. You saw Trump putting an end to immigration in America, I saw Trump welcoming immigrants to America LEGALLY.

You saw Trump’s cages at the border, I saw Obama’s cages at the border. You saw Trump with a struggling economy, I saw Trump with an amazing economy until Democrats shut it down. You saw violence in the streets and called it “Trump’s America”, I saw violence in the streets of Democrat-run cities who refused Trump’s help and who called the violence “Liberal America.”

You wanted someone more "Presidential", I’m happy we had someone who finally didn’t just talk the talk but actually walked the walk. You and I? We see things very differently.

I thought I would share it with you.

Markus

[Catfish]

If Trump manages to throw over your constitution, it will also be the end of the second amendment.
The GOP is coming for your guns! :D

[August]

If Trump manages to throw over your constitution, it will also be the end of the second amendment.
The GOP is coming for your guns! :D


:roll:

[Skybird]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/verdict-reached-trump-organizations-criminal-tax-fraud-trial/story?id=94508551


Never say liar again!

[Buddahaid]

Trump organization guilty of all seventeen counts of tax fraud. I do expect this will go to the appeals court.

[Otto Harkaman]

Trump organization guilty of all seventeen counts of tax fraud. I do expect this will go to the appeals court.
The verdict followed a trial in which the Trump Organization was accused of being complicit in a scheme by top executives to avoid paying personal income taxes on job perks such as rent-free apartments and luxury cars.

The organization faces a possible fine of up to $1.6 million.



Nice omitting details so it looks like Trump going to jail, not.

[Buddahaid]

Never implied he was in this case. It is a criminal verdict which will impact the company's operations.

[Buddahaid]

Warnoch defeats Walker.

[August]

Warnoch defeats Walker.


Big surprise there.

[Buddahaid]

Another notch for Trump's solid gold losing record. The GOP really needs to shake that monkey loose.

[em2nought]

Another notch for Trump's solid gold losing record. The GOP really needs to shake that monkey loose.


I'm as one track as you are. Y'all need to stop the steal. :03:

[Buddahaid]

Oops, Judge blocks Indiana's abortion ban law because of a previous law enacted by Pence when governor. Hello Indiana, not everyone is a Christian. :haha:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3760751-second-judge-blocks-indiana-abortion-ban/

[August]

Oops, Judge blocks Indiana's abortion ban law because of a previous law enacted by Pence when governor. Hello Indiana, not everyone is a Christian. :haha:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3760751-second-judge-blocks-indiana-abortion-ban/


As if I care being from Massachusetts which allows abortions right up until the kid is assigned his own social security number. Shouldn't this post be in the Indiana Politics thread? :hmmm:

[Buddahaid]

Last time I looked Indiana was one of the United States of America.

[August]

Last time I looked Indiana was one of the United States of America.


And you are a citizen of the United States of America. Doesn't mean we should talk about your personal problems. Neither have national significance.

[August]

Brittany Griners has been released. Paul Whelan however was left behind in the prisoner swap. Not woke enough apparently.



https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brittney-griner-released-russian-prison-swap-convicted-arms-dealer

[Buddahaid]

AP is a better source. Likely where FOX gets the news before adding opinion.
https://apnews.com/article/brittney-griner-freed-viktor-bout-swap-us-russia-ee51f5c14f35dc4d4cf21224a8e44eaa

[August]

AP is a better source. Likely where FOX gets the news before adding opinion.
https://apnews.com/article/brittney-griner-freed-viktor-bout-swap-us-russia-ee51f5c14f35dc4d4cf21224a8e44eaa


Better? They snipped out the majority of Whelans brothers statement in order to make it seem like the family was ok with the situation.

Here's the part they didn't include:

"She will be reunited with her family. Brittney is free. And Paul is still a hostage. But how many more times do I need to write that?" he continued. "Despite the possibility that there might be an exchange without Paul, our family is still devastated. I can't even fathom how Paul will feel when he learns. Paul has worked so hard to survive nearly 4 years of this injustice."
His statement went on to note that the Biden administration notified the Whelan family that Paul would be left behind in the exchange. David's statement noted that it was the second time the Biden administration had left Paul behind in a prisoner exchange, with the last instance coming in April.
"How do you continue to survive, day after day, when you know that your government has failed twice to free you from a foreign prison?" David added.
He pushed the Biden administration to be more aggressive in its efforts to get Americans released, going so far as to say the U.S. should arrest more Russians for exchange.
"As the use of wrongful detentions and hostage diplomacy continues around the globe, it's clear the US government needs to be more assertive. If bad actors like Russia are going to grab innocent Americans, the US needs a swifter, more direct response and to be prepared in advance," David argued. "In Russia's case, this may mean taking more law-breaking, Kremlin-connected Russians into custody. It's not like there aren't plenty around the world."


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-prisoner-exchange-britney-griner-leaves-behind-marine-veteran-paul-whelan-again

[mapuc]

In the news I heard that USA have got them a shoplifting epidemic

So I made a search for this and I found only old article like this one from
April 8:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-shoplifting-epidemic-cities-theft-retail-cvs-national-retail-federation-small-business-crime-11649455129

So I guess it's old news for you my American friends.

I don't know why people do these thing such a shoplifting

Markus

[August]

I don't know why people do these thing such a shoplifting

Markus


Simply put it's because they can get away with it. Even if they are apprehended (and that is a big if) they are released immediately and rarely do they see any real penalties for their actions.

[Skybird]

Putin gets one of the globe's past most wanted criminals with a rich knowledge and experience in how to get weapons and where and from whom, expertise Putin desperately can need right now.

America gets a stupid and naive woman that voluntarily travelled into a police state with known arbitrary and corrupt justice, and plays ball.

Well.

[Rockstar]

House passes defense bill that rescinds military Covid vaccine mandate

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/08/politics/house-vote-ndaa-military-vaccine-mandate/index.html

The House voted on Thursday to pass sweeping legislation that would authorize $858 billion in national defense funding and rescind the US military’s Covid vaccine mandate. The measure passed with wide bipartisan support with a tally of 350 to 80.

Desperate, mandate Nazis and fascists for forced vaccinations of experimental drugs seek advice from Xi Jinping and Putler on how best to push their lunacy and struggle for control.

Mandate Nazis last hope. Last year, California was the first state to announce it would require all schoolchildren to receive the coronavirus vaccine.

[Rockstar]

Better? They snipped out the majority of Whelans brothers statement in order to make it seem like the family was ok with the situation.

Here's the part they didn't include:

"She will be reunited with her family. Brittney is free. And Paul is still a hostage. But how many more times do I need to write that?" he continued. "Despite the possibility that there might be an exchange without Paul, our family is still devastated. I can't even fathom how Paul will feel when he learns. Paul has worked so hard to survive nearly 4 years of this injustice."
His statement went on to note that the Biden administration notified the Whelan family that Paul would be left behind in the exchange. David's statement noted that it was the second time the Biden administration had left Paul behind in a prisoner exchange, with the last instance coming in April.
"How do you continue to survive, day after day, when you know that your government has failed twice to free you from a foreign prison?" David added.
He pushed the Biden administration to be more aggressive in its efforts to get Americans released, going so far as to say the U.S. should arrest more Russians for exchange.
"As the use of wrongful detentions and hostage diplomacy continues around the globe, it's clear the US government needs to be more assertive. If bad actors like Russia are going to grab innocent Americans, the US needs a swifter, more direct response and to be prepared in advance," David argued. "In Russia's case, this may mean taking more law-breaking, Kremlin-connected Russians into custody. It's not like there aren't plenty around the world."


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-prisoner-exchange-britney-griner-leaves-behind-marine-veteran-paul-whelan-again


This thing stinks of Biden and Democrats only doing what’s in the best interests of the Party than defending all of our citizens abroad.

Especially when back in 23 June of 2020 Reuters (not Fox) published an article in which Whelan’s Russian lawyer “Zherebenkov has previously said he believes Moscow wants to exchange Whelan for two Russians held in U.S. prisons - arms dealer Viktor Bout and a pilot named Konstantin Yaroshenko, who was convicted of conspiracy to smuggle cocaine.”

There was a real possibility of exchanging of two high profile prisoners and probably throwing in a nobody like Griner for grins. Unfortunately ol’ Corn Pop goes for just woke instead.

[Buddahaid]

This thing stinks of Biden and Democrats only doing what’s in the best interests of the Party than defending all of our citizens abroad.

Especially when back in 23 June of 2020 Reuters (not Fox) published an article in which Whelan’s Russian lawyer “Zherebenkov has previously said he believes Moscow wants to exchange Whelan for two Russians held in U.S. prisons - arms dealer Viktor Bout and a pilot named Konstantin Yaroshenko, who was convicted of conspiracy to smuggle cocaine.”

There was a real possibility of exchanging of two high profile prisoners and probably throwing in a nobody like Griner for grins. Unfortunately ol’ Corn Pop goes for just woke instead.

There's that speculation you referred to. What about the Russian's interests and their part in this?

[les green01]

Putin gets one of the globe's past most wanted criminals with a rich knowledge and experience in how to get weapons and where and from whom, expertise Putin desperately can need right now.

America gets a stupid and naive woman that voluntarily travelled into a police state with known arbitrary and corrupt justice, and plays ball.

Well.

well what can i say biden and democrats are a bunch of morons but way the voting been going a good chunk of the country are morons should have let the flag hating national anthem hating unt face rot there

[Buddahaid]

well what can i say biden and democrats are a bunch of morons but way the voting been going a good chunk of the country are morons should have let the flag hating national anthem hating unt face rot there

Really? I'm a flag waving democrat and I don't hate the flag or the national anthem, in fact, what I dislike is the extreme right wing that tries to take that away from me because I don't agree with them. I also dislike the extreme left that embrasses communism.

[Dowly]

well what can i say biden and democrats are a bunch of morons but way the voting been going a good chunk of the country are morons should have let the flag hating national anthem hating unt face rot there
https://i.imgur.com/U0zeRMZ.jpg

[Buddahaid]

https://i.imgur.com/U0zeRMZ.jpg

That's brutal. :haha:

[Rockstar]

Even Finland’s Prime drunken two timing hoochie mama has figured it out.

Finnish PM Sanna Marin has said Europe is "not strong enough" to stand up to Russia's invasion of Ukraine on its own, and has had to rely on US support. During a visit to Australia, the leader of the pending Nato member said Europe's defences must be strengthened.

"I must be brutally honest with you, Europe isn't strong enough right now," she said. "We would be in trouble without the United States."


Here’s a little freedom for you :yep::yeah::salute:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/e0/71/9de071ddf68c9dd1fca232b0fa956a72.gif

[Rockstar]

There's that speculation you referred to. What about the Russian's interests and their part in this?

What about Russia’s part? That’s easy, they wanted something for nothing and it’s exactly what the Kremlin demanded and got. Instead of Whelan, they kidnap an innocent person and then suggest releasing her in exchange for this monster Bout.

There are thousands of people locked up abroad for making stupid choices, even knowing that in other countries it's different rules & laws to abide by they still do it. On top of that there are countries that love to catch Americans so they can make a deal just like this one. Any bets there will now be an increase in b.s. arrests and kidnapping of Americans traveling abroad? We can thank Democrats and Bidenettes willingness to deal with Putin terrorists just for the sake of a photo op patting themselves on the back in a woke moment. By doing so, they just placed a target on many more Americans traveling or stationed abroad.

[Skybird]

Message to Russia, China et. al : political hostage taking pays off.


People should stop travelling to and making business in certain countries.

[les green01]

What about Russia’s part? That’s easy, they wanted something for nothing and it’s exactly what the Kremlin demanded and got. Instead of Whelan, they kidnap an innocent person and then suggest releasing her in exchange for this monster Bout.

There are thousands of people locked up abroad for making stupid choices, even knowing that in other countries it's different rules & laws to abide by they still do it. On top of that there are countries that love to catch Americans so they can make a deal just like this one. Any bets there will now be an increase in b.s. arrests and kidnapping of Americans traveling abroad? We can thank Democrats and Bidenettes willingness to deal with Putin terrorists just for the sake of a photo op patting themselves on the back in a woke moment. By doing so, they just placed a target on many more Americans traveling or stationed abroad.

well said

[Buddahaid]

Then they got nothing for nothing other than a has been arms thief that has served twelve years already and was becoming of little value.

Tell me what Trump did all those years in office when Whelen was in prison?

[AVGWarhawk]

Putin gets one of the globe's past most wanted criminals with a rich knowledge and experience in how to get weapons and where and from whom, expertise Putin desperately can need right now.

America gets a stupid and naive woman that voluntarily travelled into a police state with known arbitrary and corrupt justice, and plays ball.

Well.

Certainly makes one scratch their head. This is a political stunt at it's finest. Brittney Griner is black and a lesbian. The Biden administrations is working on buying the next elections with or without Twitters help. If a white Marine was released the uproar would be twice as bad as the uproar being heard now for her release.

[Rockstar]

Then they got nothing for nothing other than a has been arms thief that has served twelve years already and was becoming of little value.

Tell me what Trump did all those years in office when Whelen was in prison?

Bout is cold blooded psychopath who should have never been released, not for Griner or Whelan. Before going on, why don’t you tell me first what in the flying fek does Trump who hasn’t been office for almost two years have to do with Russian terrorists kidnapping a person and getting what they wanted from Biden today? Giving the green light to dictators and terrorists around the world to round up even more Americans for a ransom?

[Buddahaid]

Bout is cold blooded psychopath who should have never been released, not for Griner or Whelan. Why don’t you tell me first what fek does Trump have to do with Russian terrorists kidnapping a person and getting what they wanted from Biden thereby giving the green light to dictators and terrorists around the world to round up even more Americans for a ransom?

Most of the whining I'm seeing has to do with Whelen not being in the trade, not that Bout was traded. My point is whatabouism, but it appears the Trump administration made little, or no effort, to get Whelen back for years and now Biden gets slammed for not getting him back in a trade.

[AVGWarhawk]

Tell me what Trump did all those years in office when Whelen was in prison?

Trump did not have a political pawn in Russia like Biden. That is all she is. Trump was busy in Afghanistan with prisoner exchange.

[Buddahaid]

Trump did not have a political pawn in Russia like Biden. That is all she is. Trump was busy in Afghanistan with prisoner exchange.

Or in other words, Whelen was not negotiable and appaently still isn't.

[AVGWarhawk]

Or in other words, Whelen was not negotiable and appaently still isn't.

Not at all. Trumps focus was Afghanistan. What was Bidens focus with Afghanistan? That's right. Pull everyone out willy nilly.

If you do not see that Griner is a political ploy and pawn I don't know what to tell you.

[Buddahaid]

Not at all. Trumps focus was Afghanistan. What was Bidens focus with Afghanistan? That's right. Pull everyone out willy nilly.

If you do not see that Griner is a political ploy and pawn I don't know what to tell you.

Oh I see this as politcal ploy, just not in the way many others do.

[AVGWarhawk]

Oh I see this as politcal ploy, just not in the way many others do.

How do you see it?

[em2nought]

To report on events in the same manner typical mainstream press treat the opposition: Breaking news "Sinema changes party affiliation" :up:

[Buddahaid]

I see a country so divided by religious idiology that it can't find common ground over a hostage exchange because the hostage is deemed unworthy by some "Christian" standards.

I see a disgruntled and confused GOP grabbing at anything to sling at Biden rather than look in a mirror for answers over questions of failure.

I see a country still choking out a giant cult of personality hairball of right wing extremism that plotted a hostile takeover because it can't accept not being in charge.

[AVGWarhawk]

I see a country so divided by religious idiology that it can't find common ground over a hostage exchange because the hostage is deemed unworthy by some "Christian" standards.

I see a disgruntled and confused GOP grabbing at anything to sling at Biden rather than look in a mirror for answers over questions of failure.

I see a country still choking out a giant cult of personality hairball of right wing extremism that plotted a hostile takeover because it can't accept not being in charge.

I do not see this exchange as a religious ideology issue. Whalen is doing hard time. Grinder was not. Neither is more worthy than the other. One is just perfect for the narrative coming from DC. For what Russia got in the exchanged Biden could have bargained for both. Biden did not negotiate as well as he should have. He took the easy route.

I can assure you, of the many walks of life I work with and are friends, the disgruntlement is for from the right wing Trump nuts as none of them are right wing Trump nuts.

[Rockstar]

Most of the whining I'm seeing has to do with Whelen not being in the trade, not that Bout was traded. My point is whatabouism, but it appears the Trump administration made little, or no effort, to get Whelen back for years and now Biden gets slammed for not getting him back in a trade.

You completely ignored my point for a Trump whataboutism? Are you doing this on purpose like to troll or something or are you really that brainwashed and obsessed with things that don’t matter like Trump? Because what I’m driving at has happened today and may lead to unwanted and violent consequences for other Americans tomorrow when they get detained, arrested, or kidnapped in a foreign land for having done absolutely NOTHING wrong. The amount of THC Griner was caught with under Russian law only amounted to maybe fine and 15 days, not nine years.

Because we just witnessed a Russian head state, a dictator, basically kidnap an American on trumped up charges, make his demands and got what he wanted. What did we get out of the deal? A woke photo opportunity today which by may place even more American’s in jeopardy tomorrow?

[AVGWarhawk]

Here is the nonsense of all of this. I have not heard of Whalen until today. Never in the media that I have seen. Griner was in the media everyday. I mean everyday!!! Yet, the Biden administrations claims to be working on Whalen's return and has been. I have not seen Whalen's name mentioned by the Biden administration until today. He had plenty of time to do the prisoner exchange long before Griner was arrested. Total crock. Political stunt and PR for the camera. Nothing more.

This is also a great way to take the light off good old Hunters laptop and the pesky guy who owns Twitter and is about to own the Bidens.

[August]

Here is the nonsense of all of this. I have not heard of Whalen until today. Never in the media that I have seen. Griner was in the media everyday. I mean everyday!!! Yet, the Biden administrations claims to be working on Whalen's return and has been. I have not seen Whalen's name mentioned by the Biden administration until today. He had plenty of time to do the prisoner exchange long before Griner was arrested. Total crock. Political stunt and PR for the camera. Nothing more.

This is also a great way to take the light off good old Hunters laptop and the pesky guy who owns Twitter and is about to own the Bidens.

Here's another one who did nothing more than Griner did but he ain't even making the news at all.
Marc Fogel

Fogel, a history teacher from Pittsburgh who taught the children of U.S. diplomats abroad, was detained in Moscow in August 2021. He had with him a small amount of medical marijuana he used for chronic back pain.
In June, Fogel, 61, was sentenced to 14 years at a labor camp.
The federal government has not designated Fogel as wrongfully detained.



Why her and not him?

[AVGWarhawk]

Here's another one who did nothing more than Griner did but he ain't even making the news at all.



Why her and not him?

That's the thing August. For the past 6 months all we heard from Biden is working on getting Griner out. Not a word about Whalen until today at a press conference. The entire administration is full of wokeness it can not see the forest for the trees.

[August]

That's the thing August. For the past 6 months all we heard from Biden is working on getting Griner out. Not a word about Whalen until today at a press conference. The entire administration is full of wokeness it can not see the forest for the trees.

I have to believe it was purely the demographic boxes that Griner checked. We're talking about an administration that has a long history of picking people based on their physical characteristics and their sexual preferences from Supreme Court justices, VP's Cabinet members right down to Spokespersons.

Biden didn't want to be known as a rescuer of Americans, he will never catch up to the 50 people Trump brought home anyways. Instead he wanted to be the first one to liberate a Gay Black American. She was to use their word the "historical choice".

Meanwhile Marc Fogel continues to rot in a Russian penal colony at hard labor. A 61 year old at hard labor for the next 14 years. He'll never see American shores again unless it's as a box of cremated ashes and his family probably won't see even that.

[AVGWarhawk]

I have to believe it was purely the demographic boxes that Griner checked. We're talking about an administration that has a long history of picking people based on their physical characteristics and their sexual preferences from Supreme Court justices, VP's Cabinet members right down to Spokespersons.

Biden didn't want to be known as a rescuer of Americans, he will never catch up to the 50 people Trump brought home anyways. Instead he wanted to be the first one to liberate a Gay Black American. She was to use their word the "historical choice".

Meanwhile Marc Fogel continues to rot in a Russian penal colony at hard labor. A 61 year old at hard labor for the next 14 years. He'll never see American shores again unless it's as a box of cremated ashes and his family probably won't see even that.

Dead on correct on all counts! The woke crap is out of control and will eventually bit them in the arse.

[Buddahaid]

Griner was being held for effectively nothing while Whalen is being held for espionage. No deal.

[les green01]

I have to believe it was purely the demographic boxes that Griner checked. We're talking about an administration that has a long history of picking people based on their physical characteristics and their sexual preferences from Supreme Court justices, VP's Cabinet members right down to Spokespersons.

Biden didn't want to be known as a rescuer of Americans, he will never catch up to the 50 people Trump brought home anyways. Instead he wanted to be the first one to liberate a Gay Black American. She was to use their word the "historical choice".

Meanwhile Marc Fogel continues to rot in a Russian penal colony at hard labor. A 61 year old at hard labor for the next 14 years. He'll never see American shores again unless it's as a box of cremated ashes and his family probably won't see even that.

pretty much He was arrested in August 2021 at a Moscow airport after entering the country with roughly 17 grams of cannabis that his family and lawyer said was prescribed by a doctor in the U.S. to treat chronic pain.But a major difference for Fogel is that, unlike Griner and Whelan, he has not been designated by the U.S. State Department as wrongfully detained now the question is why not,again bonehead biden and dems made this country a laughing stock to the whole world again.i can't stand woke and can't stand a worthless democrat

[August]

Griner was being held for effectively nothing while Whalen is being held for espionage. No deal.


And Fogel?

[Rockstar]

What I want to know is where are all the democrats, left wing liberals, mandate Nazis support for the Iranian government currently battling insurrection by peaceful protestors?

When are you all going to fly over there and help Iran quell the insurrectionists and extremists attempting to promote their twisted sense of freedom. Maybe those in California can help Iranian government develope laws that punish dissent, 2nd opinions and anyone challenging the party line.

It’s amazing how similar the Democrat’s rhetoric is to Putin, Xi, Khomeini and other dictators.

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMldJ2oXZqw

:hmmm:

Meanwhile, if you don't want to win dumb prizes-don't play dumb games.

[Buddahaid]

What I want to know is where are all the democrats, left wing liberals, mandate Nazis support for the Iranian government currently battling insurrection by peaceful protestors?

When are you all going to fly over there and help Iran quell the insurrectionists and extremists attempting to promote their twisted sense of freedom. Maybe those in California can help Iranian government develope laws that punish dissent, 2nd opinions and anyone challenging the party line.

It’s amazing how similar the Democrat’s rhetoric is to Putin, Xi, Khomeini and other dictators.

I don't know. Where are they?

[Dowly]

Why her and not him?As your quote says, he is not deemed wrongfully detained. He also worked for 10 years in Russia and should have known better.


I don't agree with his sentence, but there are at least reasons why his case is not as simple.

[mapuc]

I'm going a little off topic from your discussion about Americans in prison in other countries.

I do not care who is elected in other countries, I do however care about that the election is square and faire.

Some hours ago I read in a comment on Twitter who had deliberately censored on of the candidates in the 2020 election. You know how it is don't have to mention his name.

It made me both sad and angry.

Now you can go back and discuss: Americans in foreign prison

Markus

[August]

As your quote says, he is not deemed wrongfully detained. He also worked for 10 years in Russia and should have known better.


I don't agree with his sentence, but there are at least reasons why his case is not as simple.


Sorry Dowly. It is that simple.
Griner was not wrongfully detained either regardless of what Biden says. She actually did try to smuggle those hash oil vape cartridges into the country, and without even a doctors prescription for them like Fogel had.

Nor was she some innocent newcomer as you trying to imply. Griner had played five entire seasons for that Russian team before getting arrested on the sixth trip over, so if Fogel should have known better then so should she have.

[Buddahaid]

Sorry Dowly. It is that simple.
Griner was not wrongfully detained either regardless of what Biden says. She actually did try to smuggle those hash oil vape cartridges into the country, and without even a doctors prescription for them like Fogel had.

Nor was she some innocent newcomer as you trying to imply. Griner had played five entire seasons for that Russian team before getting arrested on the sixth trip over, so if Fogel should have known better then so should she have.

Very weak argument.

[MaDef]

I do not care who is elected in other countries, I do however care about that the election is square and faire.

Some hours ago I read in a comment on Twitter who had deliberately censored on of the candidates in the 2020 election. You know how it is don't have to mention his name.

It made me both sad and angry.

Markus It goes a lot deeper then just censoring a political figure, They also silenced Doctors, Scientists & normal everyday people (pretty much anyone who posted information or an opinion they didn't like) under the guise of "misinformation".

Twitter isn't the only bad apple here, The Alphabet (google) & Meta (Facebook) corporations should also be looked at, and section 230 of the communications decency act needs to be amended, if not outright removed.

[MaDef]

Very weak argument. I beg to differ
"ignorantia legis neminem excusat". :hmmm:

[August]

Very weak argument.

Really? How?


Both were detained at the airport and subsequently convicted for possession of minor amounts of marijuana.
She received a shorter jail sentence than he did (6 years less) but both sentences were extreme by our legal standards.
He had a doctors prescription for his weed, as far as I know she did not.
He's been held in jail longer that she was (arrested in June of '21).
He's a lot older than her and therefore is far less likely to survive his longer hard labor sentence.

What exactly is weak about any of that?

[ET2SN]

I like the idea that, somehow, the US is in control of the hostage situation. :yeah:

"You want four squadrons of F-35's? Regular or VSTOL?"
"You want three divisions of our troops on your front lines? Sure, we can do that."
"You want the launch codes for our ICBMs? Keep an eye on your mail box."


:har:


If the US goes "all in" on any hostages/prisoners all it does is make them more valuable. :yep: We don't get to decide who gets traded.

[Otto Harkaman]

Everything is fine, we are just muddling along.

[Buddahaid]

Really? How?


Both were detained at the airport and subsequently convicted for possession of minor amounts of marijuana.
She received a shorter jail sentence than he did (6 years less) but both sentences were extreme by our legal standards.
He had a doctors prescription for his weed, as far as I know she did not.
He's been held in jail longer that she was (arrested in June of '21).
He's a lot older than her and therefore is far less likely to survive his longer hard labor sentence.

What exactly is weak about any of that?

Really, and when was Griner convicted of espionage?

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/PHLBenKNjJA

[August]

Really, and when was Griner convicted of espionage?

But I wasn't talking about Paul Whelan but rather Marc Fogel.

Since you missed it let me recap:

Marc Fogel
Fogel, a history teacher from Pittsburgh who taught the children of U.S. diplomats abroad, was detained in Moscow in August 2021. He had with him a small amount of medical marijuana he used for chronic back pain.
In June, Fogel, 61, was sentenced to 14 years at a labor camp.
The federal government has not designated Fogel as wrongfully detained.

Only thing different is their race and gender. Two attributes that the Biden administration has a long history of preferring over mere competence, or in this case need.

So again, why her and not him? Why is her detainment wrongful but not his?

[Buddahaid]

:hmmm: Unless I missed something espionage isn’t the topic. Seems to me he is comparing Griner and Fogel. Both of whom were serving time on drug related charges in Russia.

Yes, I see I missed that and I don't have an opinion yet.

[Skybird]

Its reported that ex-marine was not freed because the Russians wanted for him a Russian spy who is held by the Germans.

[Schizo]

with the Georgia election done and Trump Org being convicted it seems things are turning for the better in the US, politically anyways. i think Trump is finally finished now as the momentum is shifting away from him thanks to his dinner guests and other poor decisions. i would like to see Trump himself convicted and put in jail but i doubt he'll do time, even if convicted.

[Schizo]

Its reported that ex-marine was not freed because the Russians wanted for him a Russian spy who is held by the Germans.

i really dont understand why Americans travel to questionable countries such as Russia, NK, Iran, etc. they really only have themselves to blame for being incarcerated and held as a political prisoners.

the only other country i've visited is Canada and with good reason. Simply put, most foreign nations don't like us Americans so best to stay away from them.

[les green01]

which one is worse carter or biden or are they running neck to neck

[Buddahaid]

The Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals Order overturning Judge Aileen Cannon’s assertion of equitable jurisdiction became final as Donald Trump did not appeal the decision.

Someone must have realized they didn't buy the Supreme Court with appointments.

[Buddahaid]

Florida Representative Joseph Harding has been indicted for wire fraud and money laundering.

[MaDef]

If he's found guilty, throw him in jail.

[Schizo]

Arizona governor builds border wall out of cargo shipping containers along the US-Mexican border. It was his final act as governor of Arizona. He is Republican.

[em2nought]

which one is worse carter or biden or are they running neck to neck


Carter was a fool, but he meant well. :03:


Arizona governor builds border wall out of cargo shipping containers along the US-Mexican border. It was his final act as governor of Arizona. He is Republican.



Bahaha! :har: Kari Lake was robbed! :03:

[Skybird]

Its reported that ex-marine was not freed because the Russians wanted for him a Russian spy who is held by the Germans.
The "spy" is in fact a convicted murderer who is in prison for the so-called "Tiergarten murder" in Berlin.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/15/germany-russia-chechen-murder-berlin/

In accordance with prosecutors’ demands, the court ruled that the crimes of 56-year-old Krasikov were particularly grave, a finding that is likely to prevent an early release after 15 years of imprisonment, as is common in the German justice system.

[les green01]

Carter was a fool, but he meant well. :03:






Bahaha! :har: Kari Lake was robbed! :03:

does seem like it is worse under biden instead of carter

[MaDef]

does seem like it is worse under biden instead of carter

You don't remember gasoline rationing?

[les green01]

You don't remember gasoline rationing?

i remember the long lines also billy carter going on tv news and saying the problem right now is gas is too cheap didn't take long for the arabs to fix that but then i was like 4 or 5 years old

[Buddahaid]

You don't remember gasoline rationing?

Sure do. It did force the auto industry dragging, kicking, and screaming into the digital tuning age along with the EPA emission requirments. Love it, or hate it, cars now have more power with less emissions and far fewer tune up needs.

[MaDef]

Sure do. It did force the auto industry dragging, kicking, and screaming into the digital tuning age along with the EPA emission requirments. Love it, or hate it, cars now have more power with less emissions and far fewer tune up needs.

And was instrumental in pushing the inflation rate into double digits. We are now going to see the same thing happen as a result of Biden's climate initiatives, only it will be worse.

[Buddahaid]

And was instrumental in pushing the inflation rate into double digits. We are now going to see the same thing happen as a result of Biden's climate initiatives, only it will be worse.

I won't paint it in your colors but costs will rise as they always do. When haven't they no matter who is in charge? In my work experience, many CEO's have kept costs down during their brief stays by not spending on things that have to be funded, and then leave patting themselves on the back and leaving a disaster for they new CEO to fix. It's nothing more than kicking the can down the street and the money ends up being spent anyway except it then costs more.

Can you show me an example of when costs went down during some adminisration, ever?

[les green01]

I won't paint it in your colors but costs will rise as they always do. When haven't they no matter who is in charge? In my work experience, many CEO's have kept costs down during their brief stays by not spending on things that have to be funded, and then leave patting themselves on the back and leaving a disaster for they new CEO to fix. It's nothing more than kicking the can down the street and the money ends up being spent anyway except it then costs more.

Can you show me an example of when costs went down during some adminisration, ever?

honest with you i though we would have to look in 1800's 1921-1922 1927-1928 1930-1933 1938-39 1949 https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

[MaDef]

I won't paint it in your colors but costs will rise as they always do. When haven't they no matter who is in charge? In my work experience, many CEO's have kept costs down during their brief stays by not spending on things that have to be funded, and then leave patting themselves on the back and leaving a disaster for they new CEO to fix. It's nothing more than kicking the can down the street and the money ends up being spent anyway except it then costs more.

Can you show me an example of when costs went down during some adminisration, ever?

You are confusing "rising costs" (an increase in the price of goods) with "inflation" (decrease in the value of money)

I'm not going to get in a long winded explanation differentiating the two, suffice to say that they are very closely related, and inflation is driven by governmental policy. (for example: 803 BILLION DOLLARS thrown willy-nilly into the economy and touted as an offset to the governments shutdown of the economy in response to covid-19).

[AVGWarhawk]

Sure do. It did force the auto industry dragging, kicking, and screaming into the digital tuning age along with the EPA emission requirments. Love it, or hate it, cars now have more power with less emissions and far fewer tune up needs.

Government CAFE laws. Even then the automakers played games with that. The digital(ECM's) age grew as emission standards tightened. Emissions and CAFE laws are two different things in a way.

Most definitely vehicles today need less maintenance, go further on a gallon of gas and quite powerful. Emission are almost but not quite nil.

[Ostfriese]

Emission are almost but not quite nil.


That depends on what you mean by "emission". If you are talking about carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides (NOx, mainly nitrogenmonoxide), sulfur oxides, lead or aromatic hydrocarbons you are quite right, these have been reduced dramatically over the past half century.


However, carbon dioxide emissions are certainly not nil (not even close), and they never will be. A car that uses 6L of gasoline (not diesel) per 100km (that's roughly 40 miles / gallon) will produce about 200 gramms of carbon dioxide per kilometre (about 320 gramms per mile), and there's nothing that can be changed about it.

[AVGWarhawk]

That depends on what you mean by "emission". If you are talking about carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides (NOx, mainly nitrogenmonoxide), sulfur oxides, lead or aromatic hydrocarbons you are quite right, these have been reduced dramatically over the past half century.


However, carbon dioxide emissions are certainly not nil (not even close), and they never will be. A car that uses 6L of gasoline (not diesel) per 100km (that's roughly 40 miles / gallon) will produce about 200 gramms of carbon dioxide per kilometre (about 320 gramms per mile), and there's nothing that can be changed about it.

Not quite nil as stated in my post. :)

[Ostfriese]

Not quite nil as stated in my post. :)


I can accept that :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

I can accept that :O:

I can accept the accept. Clear as mud! :haha:

[Onkel Neal]

DeSantis tops Trump by 23 points among Republicans in new poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3773062-desantis-tops-trump-by-23-points-among-republicans-in-new-poll/)

thank god! :shifty:

[Rockstar]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-1-000-migrants-crossed-rio-grande-into-el-paso/vi-AA15cIez?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fb94d97066264b0f9ba5dc8cc8416594

Meanwhile Democrat party Fanboys and Bidenettes who already have border walls protecting THEIR borders (like California) cry about how border walls and fence don't work. And people wonder why Texas has immigration problems :roll: Simply because Democrat cry baby states already have a border wall.

[Rockstar]

Fascist, Left Wing, Liberal, Authoritarian, Socialist, Democrats and Putin, Xi Jinping lead Communist Party have so much in common. Both telling you they know what's best for everyone only to maintain power over you.

Passing laws making illegal it for dissenting opinions,
Pushing to take your rights away in favor of the party line because they believe they know what's best for you
Lock down and cage people
Force vaccinations,
Authoritarian fascist asshats, who are prepared to throw in jail, ostracize and isolate anyone who disagrees with them.
Why? because Trump! lol

Left wing so called liberals and democrats are just a sad bunch of brain dead pussies, scared, spoiled little children incapable of thinking for themselves because they're hooked on the latest headline

[Buddahaid]

Don't hold back. Tell how you really feel! :arrgh!:

[em2nought]

DeSantis tops Trump by 23 points among Republicans in new poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3773062-desantis-tops-trump-by-23-points-among-republicans-in-new-poll/)

thank god! :shifty:


The enemy has done their work well against President Trump. :arrgh!:


Carter was a fool, but he meant well. :03:



I think "fool" was too harsh. Carter was a good man, a "Rickover man", just not the right kind of man for that job.

[les green01]

The enemy has done their work well against President Trump. :arrgh!:





I think "fool" was too harsh. Carter was a good man, a "Rickover man", just not the right kind of man for that job.

if i remember right he wasn't in the sub force long before he left to take over the family business

[Buddahaid]

The enemy has done their work well against President Trump. :arrgh!:





I think "fool" was too harsh. Carter was a good man, a "Rickover man", just not the right kind of man for that job.

I don't know. Trump has always been his own worst enemy to my eyes. So much of his trouble could have been avoided if his ego wasn't so fragile.

[Buddahaid]

Fascist, Left Wing, Liberal, Authoritarian, Socialist, Democrats and Putin, Xi Jinping lead Communist Party have so much in common. Both telling you they know what's best for everyone only to maintain power over you.

Passing laws making illegal it for dissenting opinions,
Pushing to take your rights away in favor of the party line because they believe they know what's best for you
Lock down and cage people
Force vaccinations,
Authoritarian fascist asshats, who are prepared to throw in jail, ostracize and isolate anyone who disagrees with them.
Why? because Trump! lol

Left wing so called liberals and democrats are just a sad bunch of brain dead pussies, scared, spoiled little children incapable of thinking for themselves because they're hooked on the latest headline

I'll just quote that for posterity, after all, I'm just a sad brain dead scared and spoiled pussy and can't think of anything by myself. :har:

[August]

I'm just a sad brain dead scared and spoiled pussy and can't think of anything by myself. :har:




Quoted for posterity. :yep:

[MaDef]

I'll just quote that for posterity, after all, I'm just a sad brain dead scared and spoiled pussy and can't think of anything by myself. :har:

Acknowledging the problem is 1/2 the battle. :up: