US Politics Thread 2021-24

[AVGWarhawk]

The same federal judge that denied Trump’s first attempt to remove the State hush money election interference case to federal court has denied the second attempt today.

We are to be surprised?

[Buddahaid]

We are to be surprised?

Perhaps if you choose to be. I'm just posting legal news that has a bearing on Trump's legal entanglements.

[AVGWarhawk]

Perhaps if you choose to be. I'm just posting legal news that has a bearing on Trump's legal entanglements.

It's not necessary. They just change the verbiage and indictment begins again. We already know what the outcome will be. If that doesn't work they will find something else. Al Capone criminal career is chicken feed compared to Trump. Don't know how the guy finds the time. Or the energy at 78 for that matter.

[Buddahaid]

It's not necessary. They just change the verbiage and indictment begins again. We already know what the outcome will be. If that doesn't work they will find something else. Al Capone criminal career is chicken feed compared to Trump. Don't know how the guy finds the time. Or the energy at 78 for that matter.

At this point it looks like he needs to win the election to avoid federal prosecution. How will he avoid state prosecution and adhere to the Constitution as well? That’s the part that makes him far more worrisome than anything a Harris administration can try to pass for me.

[Jimbuna]

Only 29% of Americans think Trump is prepared to accept election result if he loses, poll says

Two-thirds of Americans believe Donald Trump is not prepared to accept the outcome of the presidential election, a new poll reveals.

Just 29 percent of Americans said the former president is ready to accept the election results, while 68 percent said Kamala Harris is prepared, an ABC News/Ipsos poll published Friday reveals. Meanwhile, 81 percent of Americans said they are personally prepared to accept whatever the outcome might be.

Over half of the poll participants were also very or somewhat confident that votes will be counted accurately, ABC News reports. However, there was variation between parties. Fifty-one percent of Republicans said they aren’t confident the election will be called accurately, while 90 percent of Democrats said they have confidence in the count.
These responses come years after Trump and his allies falsely claimed he won the presidential election and was cheated out of the White House due to voter fraud in 2020. This is untrue and there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud influencing the election.

After Trump repeatedly made this claim, thousands of his supporters stormed the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, to interrupt lawmakers from confirming President Joe Biden’s legitimate win.

Since Trump left office, four secretaries of state said they’ve received death threats for carrying out their duties. Meanwhile, one in six election workers reported being threatened because of their jobs, according to a 2022 survey from the Brennan Center for Justice.

The former president is facing election interference charges in Fulton County, Georgia, alongside his former attorney Rudy Giuliani and several others.

Trump was also indicted again in Washington, DC, this week for his attempts to overturn the election. The new indictment comes after the Supreme Court ruled this summer that the former president has some “immunity” from prosecution.

Prosecutors now appear to be downplaying any connection between Trump’s “official” duties and his actions surrounding the election results, The Independent previously reported.

“The Defendant had no official responsibilities related to the certification proceeding, but he did have a personal interest as a candidate in being named the winner of the election,” the new indictment reads.

Meanwhile, national polls show Harris pulling ahead of Trump. The vice president has a 3.4-point lead over the former president, according to the latest average of national polls.

Harris has also surged ahead of Trump following last week’s Democratic National Convention, according to a USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll released August 29.

Harris is leading Trump 48 percent to 43 percent, which is an eight-point turnaround from June when the former president was ahead of Biden by four points.

The Independent has contacted the Trump campaign for comment.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/only-29-of-americans-think-trump-is-prepared-to-accept-election-result-if-he-loses-poll-says/ar-AA1pIKwj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=45ebe1f61ffc4fdea4d221cf93cffb00&ei=79

[Rockstar]

At this point it looks like he needs to win the election to avoid federal prosecution. How will he avoid state prosecution and adhere to the Constitution as well? That’s the part that makes him far more worrisome than anything a Harris administration can try to pass for me.


Try and pass what? Only thing that CNN interview brought to light was it showed her as someone who is weak and insecure, easy to control and manipulate. She’ll be the prefect puppet for the faceless unelected bureaucracy protecting their government job.

Contrary to the other candidate who goes against the unelected bureaucrats and power hungry. Who seems, to me at least, always trying their best to keep him out of the way.

[AVGWarhawk]

At this point it looks like he needs to win the election to avoid federal prosecution. How will he avoid state prosecution and adhere to the Constitution as well? That’s the part that makes him far more worrisome than anything a Harris administration can try to pass for me.

When have you known the Dems to adhere to the Constitution? What is more worrisome is the policy of free handouts Harris proposing. None of here proposals will help the economy. One time child tax credit? $25k to new home buyers? Zero talk in this thread about these useless policies. These policies are regurgitated at every rally. Policies only designed to entice a vote in exchange of money. Harris will not deliver.

How about social security? Are you Budda enjoying 100 percent of what is due you? When it's my time to utilize social security I will get 85 percent of what is due to me. Thus far Trump said he will work on no taxation of social security. Of course the parrot Harris states the same. Issue here is I don't believe Harris at all. She is running a HS class president campaign. Promising things she will not deliver.

[Buddahaid]

I don’t think this Trump interview on Arlington was posted here. Trump claims he doesn’t know anything about it, blames other people, even the fallen’s family, and then claims he was set up by Biden’s administration.

Funny how nothing is ever his fault, ever.
https://youtube.com/shorts/r4hnGwyfE_c?si=RoKkInAaAyFXDl1K

[AVGWarhawk]

I don’t think this Trump interview on Arlington was posted here. Trump claims he doesn’t know anything about it, blames other people, even the fallen’s family, and then claims he was set up by Biden’s administration.

Funny how nothing is ever his fault, ever.
https://youtube.com/shorts/r4hnGwyfE_c?si=RoKkInAaAyFXDl1K

Time to move on from this distraction. I'm sure there will be additional distractions founded or made up all can relish in.

Policy? What say you?

[AVGWarhawk]

Harris's taxation of the rich. Another bad plan attempted in the past. 100 million or more net worth your taxes are going up. The thing here is these multimillionaire and billionaires didn't get this rich because they are stupid. They have the means to leave. And they do. They have the means to move money in a way that it does not fall under her taxation plan. But this plan rings like the angels in heaven to the those that that socialism is the way to go. The rich don't pay their fair share. Those cheeky bastards.

What pixie dust is Harris sprinkling next?

[Buddahaid]

Time to move on from this distraction. I'm sure there will be additional distractions founded or made up all can relish in.

Policy? What say you?

That was more than a distraction, it was Trump blaming the parents of fallen soldiers. That should be enough to disqualify him as a candidate for most people that haven't drank his cult Kool-Aid.

Policy, I don't have a response yet.

[Buddahaid]

Try and pass what?...

That reference I made in my statement was open ended for anything during her term if elected.

[Rockstar]

That reference I made in my statement was open ended for anything during her term if elected.


Oh I understood what you meant. Que sera, sera let the chips fall where they may. Feeling helpless & not in control of anything will do that to people.

Those seven wounded soldiers in Iraq appreciate your concern I’m sure.

[AVGWarhawk]

That was more than a distraction, it was Trump blaming the parents of fallen soldiers. That should be enough to disqualify him as a candidate for most people that haven't drank his cult Kool-Aid.

Policy, I don't have a response yet.

I'm not interested in Trump's legal problems. He is not going to win anyway.

Harris policy response is not workable.

[Buddahaid]

Fair enough. Now Trump and MAGA are making one more attempt to shut down the government. It will hit the news cycle soon.

Then there was Trump stating the six week abortion ban on the Florida ballot was too short when be asked how he would vote a few days ago, then flipped and said he will vote for it when his fundy Christian base were outraged.

I don’t care what his stated policies are either since it all just depends which way the breeze is blowing at the moment.

[Rockstar]

Fair enough. Now Trump and MAGA are making one more attempt to shut down the government. It will hit the news cycle soon..

I’m sure it will. Both parties in Congress will manipulate the headlines to further the goals of their respective party and I’ll bet you dollars to donuts whatever the outcome it will include unprecedented spending that you and I end up paying out the nose for and that needs to stop.

Then there was Trump stating the six week abortion ban on the Florida ballot was too short when be asked how he would vote a few days ago, then flipped and said he will vote for it when his fundy Christian base were outraged.

I’m a registered independent voter and I’m not even close to being a Christian in fact a Christian would likely describe me as heathen :D. But like Trump I’m a resident of Florida and I will be voting against amendment four. SCOTUS left the abortion debate and vote to the states. What do the decisions made by voters in Florida matter to you and others who live in California? Personally I appreciate the miracle of life growing in the womb just as much as I appreciate the dead decaying in a box in Arlington National Cemetery.

I don’t care….

We know

[AVGWarhawk]

I don’t care what his stated policies are either since it all just depends which way the breeze is blowing at the moment.

Holy ****e, that's the pot calling the kettle black. Harris transformed herself from a lefty loon to a Trump overnight because the wind blew her that way. And here puppeteers instructed her to do so. That my friend is just hilarious.

[mapuc]

Makes one wonder, what the Dem supporters will say in 1½ years from now when their candidate have won the election on Nov. 5th -24

Would they be regretting their vote ?

Markus

[Dargo]

Makes one wonder, what the Dem supporters will say in 1½ years from now when their candidate have won the election on Nov. 5th -24

Would they be regretting their vote ?

MarkusIf you vote in the hope they solve your problems, yes you gone be disappointed no matter who you vote

[mapuc]

If you vote in the hope they solve your problems, yes you gone be disappointed no matter who you vote

If you have been following the debate here in our US Politics thread you would know that there's not much hope for Harris to save the country.

If we going back 1 year, there were many, don't know in percentage, who had regret they put their vote on Biden.

With this in mind I wrote my comment.

Markus

[Catfish]

If you vote in the hope they solve your problems, yes you gone be disappointed no matter who you vote
The best man or woman could not solve all problems or unite the Divided states of America..

[vienna]

I find this strangely odd and bizarre. Looking at this picture all are smiling. The woman on the left is hand signaling like she is at a rock concert. It looks more like a party and good time. I guess some handle a memorial differently than others. I can't figure this lot out. To each their own. Perhaps this was after the ceremony. Great distraction to Zuckerberg and coming clean on censorship demanded by the Biden administration. Have a good day.

https://i.imgur.com/0YzrvOk.png


Its really not very surprising; Trump is so very tone-deaf to the world around him; he lacks any real ability to 'read a room' effectively; as long as he feels his little self-delusional "Me World" is, in his estimation, intact, he blithely skips along his little path of delirium...


Trump is an unsympathetic slug when it come to our veterans and their sacrifices; let's do a sampling of a previous hallowed Veteran occasion, Memorial Day, November 2024...


First, Former President Obama's 2024 Memorial Day message...

https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1795088933556011101




One of the greatest honors of my life was the privilege of serving as commander-in-chief, and with pride also came sometimes heartbreak and loss. And the sober recognition of the sacrifices that so many Americans and their families have made to preserve our freedom.

On Memorial Day, we honor the brave men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. We owe them so much, and their memories will never be forgotten.





Next, President Biden's 2024 Memorial Day message...

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1795085103791575504




On Memorial Day, we honor the fallen heroes who served and sacrificed for our freedom and for our future.

We must never forget the price that was paid to protect our democracy.





...and, now the poignant words of Trump on Memorial Day 2024...




"Happy Memorial Day to All, including the Human Scum that is working so hard to destroy our Once Great Country, & to the Radical Left, Trump Hating Federal Judge in New York that presided over, get this, TWO separate trials, that awarded a woman, who I never met before (a quick handshake at a celebrity event, 25 years ago, doesn't count!), 91 MILLION DOLLARS for 'DEFAMATION,'" Trump wrote in the post.

"She didn't know when the so-called event took place - sometime in the 1990's - never filed a police report, didn't have to produce the 'dress' that she threatened me with (it showed negative!), & sung my praises in the first half of her CNN Interview with Alison Cooper, but changed her tune in the second half - Gee, I wonder why (UNDER APPEAL!)?

"The Rape charge was dropped by a jury! Or Arthur Engoron, the N.Y. State Wacko Judge who fined me almost 500 Million Dollars (UNDER APPEAL) for DOING NOTHING WRONG, used a Statute that has never been used before, gave me NO JURY, Mar-a-Lago at $18,000,000 - Now for Merchan!"





Wow, just...wow...


Two of the three men above acted Presidential and dignified, giving respect and homage to the sacrifices of the fallen; they are to be commended...

The third, the low life slug that he is, resorted to his usual self-serving vomiting of bile, rather than giving even the merest mention of the fallen, for whom the day is dedicated; and what sort of idiot fool marks a somber day as "Happy"?; I wonder if he sent out a message saying "Happy Good Friday!"...

BTW, this is a link to the site where I got the Trump Quote; it seems his original post(s) are nowhere to be found; I imagine his handlers did a thorough wipe-up of the trace of their boss's idiocy...


Donald Trump's Memorial Day Message Compared to Joe Biden's --

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-joe-biden-memorial-day-messages-1904984


I chose the Newsweek posting since it was one of the few sites that had the complete Trump disgraceful tirade; other sites only posted portions of the message...

I don't think there is any possible way to claim, let alone prove, that Trump ever has, or ever will have compassion and humanity towards our troops and their services and sacrifices; any veteran who would vote for such a person should be ashamed...



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[vienna]

You sure do write a lot of words, some real tin foil hat stuff there what with all the anonymous sources, alleged wrong doing, statements with no proof. ThatÂ’s a lot to sift through and piece together. No need to apologize though, I understand.

Btw back in the day Skybird used to write such wordy responses too. It took up most the bandwidth on the World Wide Web consuming so much power it dimmed city lights around the world when he posted.

But some mentioned to him then he should probably shorten it up a bit. Simple fact most people admitted they would just skip over it without even trying to read any of it.


http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/picture/realadam/tin3.jpg


How cute! You Posted a selfie!! I'm going to assume your cat is the brains of your outfit... :D



You sure do write a lot of words, some real tin foil hat stuff there what with all the anonymous sources, alleged wrong doing, statements with no proof. ThatÂ’s a lot to sift through and piece together. No need to apologize though, I understand.




Oh, I assure you, I am tinfoil free, although you seem to be a devotee of the Reynolds Wrap...

What you said in the above bit pretty much confirms a theory I've held about you for a long time; You don't really read the links in the postings of others in the thread, particularly if they oppose your view; I did, indeed post factual links; please tell me which links were anonymous sources (ya, know like the Dept. of the army; the Arlington Nation Cemetery regulations site) since I'm really not seeing it; myself, and some others, do post attributable links and data, but you seem to not even bother to take even a cursory glace at the postings since you are so eager to engage in mindlessly snarky comments on something you really haven't considered; an informed comment is always welcome; a comment based on kneejerk reaction to the subject of a link or, worse yet, to your unwarrantedly low estimation of the character of a fellow poster, who is just trying to give a sincere, and fact-based, opinion, is not welcome at all; you may think you are amusing, but you are little more than boorish, although you may have an audience among your fellow bobble-heads...

...and I have nothing to apologize for, certainly not to you; it is not my fault you find 'sifting through and piecing together' polysyllabic words a chore...

Your invoking of Skybird is telling; you seem to have an aversion to anyone who can explain anything beyond slogans and frat-boy humor; I may not agree with Skybird on some things, but I do appreciate he does try to thoroughly explain his position and tries to use some verifiable information in the process; its too bad you have this fear of anything involving complex thought...


BTW, I would advise you turn your tinfoil so the shiny side is on the outside; it will reflect the heat away from your fevered brain...


Oh, my...

It seems I've gotten a bit too "wordy" again, so I'll be succinct:

You, Sir...

...Suck...



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[Rockstar]

Nobody is interested in reading a wall of text.

K.I.S.S.

[vienna]

Some poster have asked for the law on which the whole Trump dissing of Arlington National Cemetery controversy was based; the ANC Rules and Regs have already been posted by myself and others, available for those who want to read them; the actual laws Trump and his minions have violated can be found here:


32 CFR Part 553 - PART 553—ARMY CEMETERIES --

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/32/part-553


The actual, most pertinent, part of the law is this:


32 CFR § 553.32 - Conduct of memorial services and ceremonies. --

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/32/553.32


The subsection most applicable is this:




(c) Memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities.





Pretty plain, to me; not much ambiguity there...


Additionally, there exists violations of the Hatch Act regarding such political conduct in the behavior of the Trump mob...


Now, there have been postings stating the Trump desecration was not 'political' because there was no outward sign of campaigning such as signs, banners, etc.; however, the ANC Regs and the actual law(s) (of which Trump and his minions were fully advised, in writing and orally, prior to the ceremony) cited prohibits any sort of political activity at all in Arlington; Trump and his minions were openly seeking to film and photograph the occasion, not as a memorialization of the event, but as a means to gather footage for Trump's campaign propaganda; the proof is in the postings by Trump and his campaign on the Web, including one painful to watch clip where Trump is following around the mourners, who are trying to attend to their dead, all the while spouting on about how things were much better under his regime and how much "better" he is than the opposition; a decent person would have have let the mourners have their moments with their loved ones and simply given his sympathies and bowed their head in respect; but, what else can you expect from a self-serving oaf like DJT...?...

BTW, the defense that Trump was in the right because a couple of the families invited him to the occasion doesn't hold water; the wishes of the families does not supersede the Laws and Rules & Regs. since even they must abide by the protocols put in place...




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[vienna]

Nobody is interested in reading a wall of text.

K.I.S.S.


Particularly you, and I'm not really interest in keeping things simple for the stupid, so you may go on your merry way and leave us adults alone...


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[Rockstar]

Thank you for the short reply but it’s just as angry & pointless as your larger walls of text are.

Have a nice day

[mapuc]

Guys it's ok to disagree but no name calling, otherwise Jim will close this thread for a while(4-8 days or more)

Edit
I do read Vienna's text
End edit

Markus

[Rockstar]

9% ABV Baby! Woot :woot:

https://i.ibb.co/TK6my7r/IMG-0449.jpg

[Gorpet]

And all that in just eight edits.

Well , Jimbuna it may taken 8 edits.But i got you to reply.

[Gorpet]

Saw a few excerpts of that Harris-Walz-CNN "interview", not too much, I do not care too much. Did Harris actually say something substantial? To me she was only dancing on tiptoes to not do so. And why Walz by her side? Afraid of walking the walk all by herself and alone?

Well, we must have another,That you can't Question.
Anywho, NATO and Europe and that silly island country out there across a the water from France. Appears to be in Turmoil.But don't worry if Putin and his country doesn't surrender.The first Black women President of the USA will go down in history.That started a nuclear war. And as they say here in America ,JOY is just an eyeblink away.

[Buddahaid]

And now Trump says in a FOX interview he doesn't know Judge Aileen Cannon who dismissed the Mar-a-Lago documents case! He freaking appointed her! Is he really so detached he doesn't know anything about his legal problems, or does he just think his followers are gullible, or does he live in a fantasy 24/7?

You all know I don't like him, and I never have since before he entered politics, but the levels of pure fiction he is putting forth lately are going far beyond political rhetoric and entering bizarro land.

[Gorpet]

And now Trump says in a FOX interview he doesn't know Judge Aileen Cannon who dismissed the Mar-a-Lago documents case! He freaking appointed her! Is he really so detached he doesn't know anything about his legal problems, or does he just think his followers are gullible, or does he live in a fantasy 24/7?

You all know I don't like him, and I never have since before he entered politics, but the levels of pure fiction he is putting forth lately are going far beyond political rhetoric and entering bizarro land.

Your, funny he knows who she is. Look pal their are politicians right here in my city and county running against one another who say.I don't know them. **** you can hob nob eat dinner with them and as a politician.Look i don't know anybody.The most gullible are the ones you can throw a few thousand dollars around the neighborhood not all in on place.But around to those you deem worthy, and we certainly will not build a library.What would that bring about? Hope and change.10 yrs and if they learn, Oh damn,With out war. How could our society survive?

[Jimbuna]

Guys it's ok to disagree but no name calling, otherwise Jim will close this thread for a while(4-8 days or more)

Edit
I do read Vienna's text
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Markus

This thread is indeed under continuous observation/scrutiny Markus.

[AVGWarhawk]

And now Trump says in a FOX interview he doesn't know Judge Aileen Cannon who dismissed the Mar-a-Lago documents case! He freaking appointed her! Is he really so detached he doesn't know anything about his legal problems, or does he just think his followers are gullible, or does he live in a fantasy 24/7?

You all know I don't like him, and I never have since before he entered politics, but the levels of pure fiction he is putting forth lately are going far beyond political rhetoric and entering bizarro land.

Trump might be in bizarro land. Kamala is definitely in the WTH did she just say land.

Let's move on from what Trump is saying and doing to Harris. Her policies. Her flipping.

[mapuc]

Earlier you asked for a younger candidate, now you got a much younger(59 years old) candidate and then you can't use her.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Earlier you asked for a younger candidate, now you got a much younger(59 years old) candidate and then you can't use her.

Markus

A candidate that is qualified.

[Jimbuna]

A candidate that is qualified.

I think that could mean either of them then depending on which side one supports.

[AVGWarhawk]

I think that could mean either of them then depending on which side one supports.
Young and her would be Harris.

[mapuc]

Young and her would be Harris.

Yep it was Harris I had in mind when I wrote my comment.

Markus

[mapuc]

Is he right ?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830140465640886587

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Is he right ?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830140465640886587

Markus

After 237 years you would think someone would have said something. No, he is not right.

[Rockstar]

Fifth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans has ruled that illegal immigrants do not have the right to bear arms under the Second Amendment.

Well, duh.

[Rockstar]

This a familiar ring too it, now where have I heard that before? :hmmm:

Venezuelan prosecutors seek arrest of opposition presidential candidate

[Jimbuna]

Trump claims his incoherent rambling is actually a strategy

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-claims-his-incoherent-rambling-is-actually-a-strategy/ar-AA1pTxZH?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=27ccec3cd20648f893a6339d300e6f5d&ei=11

[AVGWarhawk]

Trump claims his incoherent rambling is actually a strategy

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-claims-his-incoherent-rambling-is-actually-a-strategy/ar-AA1pTxZH?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=27ccec3cd20648f893a6339d300e6f5d&ei=11

It's seems it works for Harris.

[AVGWarhawk]

Kamala Harris and Tim Walz think they are saviors, racing to rescue a dying country. Guess what? They’re just two dummies with radical agendas who are hiding from the American people.

Another issue is Harris was VP for the last 4 years. What part does she play in the "dying country"?

[mapuc]

Kamala Harris and Tim Walz think they are saviors, racing to rescue a dying country. Guess what? They’re just two dummies with radical agendas who are hiding from the American people.

Another issue is Harris was VP for the last 4 years. What part does she play in the "dying country"?

Your comment made me wonder. How much impact on the politics does your VP have ? (I mean in general)

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Your comment made me wonder. How much impact on the politics does your VP have ? (I mean in general)

Markus

A lot! She is/was the tie breaker when voting for major legislative laws. In particular, Biden inflation recovery bill. She has now broken 32 ties, beating the record of 31 that was set by John C. Calhoun, who was vice president from 1825 to 1832.

She was in fact put in charge of the border. She did nothing. Millions have arrived to the USA. There is a housing shortage. Why is that? Millions pouring in need a place to live. Here we are in a housing shortage. She is a champion of women's reproductive rights and effective. But that is were it stops for Harris.

[Rockstar]

It's seems it works for Harris.

You’ll find British government run media outlets write that trash. Personally I think it’s done to distract Brits from their own problems by attempting to convince them. See! Its sooo much worse over there. lol

Some are also afraid to speak out against their own government policies which is why I think you always find them here trolling. If you ask questions about the riots, protests they just remain silent or tell you not to believe the stories you hear in the media.

[mapuc]

A lot! She is/was the tie breaker when voting for major legislative laws. In particular, Biden inflation recovery bill. She has now broken 32 ties, beating the record of 31 that was set by John C. Calhoun, who was vice president from 1825 to 1832.

She was in fact put in charge of the border. She did nothing. Millions have arrived to the USA. There is a housing shortage. Why is that? Millions pouring in need a place to live. Here we are in a housing shortage. She is a champion of women's reproductive rights and effective. But that is were it stops for Harris.

No doubt you're right...and American voters are going to put their vote on her-Well a few percentage more than on Trump :timeout:

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

You’ll find British government run media outlets write that trash. Personally I think it’s done to distract Brits from their own problems by attempting to convince them. See! Its sooo much worse over there. lol

Some are also afraid to speak out against their own government policies which is why I think you always find them here trolling. If you ask questions about the riots, protests they just remain silent or tell you not to believe the stories you hear in the media.

The media is out of control.

[AVGWarhawk]

No doubt you're right...and American voters are going to put their vote on her-Well a few percentage more than on Trump :timeout:

Markus

I think much will be determined after a debate(of which it appears Harris is trying to avoid at all costs). Trump needs to clean up his act when debating. Stop with the tangents that go nowhere. Harris needs to do her best to show voters she is now center and not a left wing nutcase. However, I do not believe the voting public will buy that she has completely changed her policies overnight. Nor, if elected into office, follow through with her new found policies.

[Jimbuna]

The media is out of control.

Amen.

[Jimbuna]

Bands/Artists that have objected to the use of their music at Trump rallies include...

Abba
Bruce Springsteen
Rihanna
Phil Collins
Pharrell
Adele
John Fogerty
Eddy Grant
R.E.M.
Guns N’ Roses
Rolling Stones
Neil Young
Linkin Park
Black Sabbath
Prince
Tom Petty
Aerosmith
Smiths
Beyonce
Celine Dion
Foo Fighters

It's almost as if a conspiracy is afoot.

Chris, this list is getting longer by the day :hmmm:

Judge orders Trump campaign to stop playing Isaac Hayes song at rallies.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/news/judge-orders-trump-campaign-to-stop-playing-isaac-hayes-song-at-rallies/ar-AA1pVKIv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=6093e11a1706422195dc23c707a99d43&ei=11

[AVGWarhawk]

Chris, this list is getting longer by the day :hmmm:

It's a copywrite infringement to use the songs without permission. Plus these people don't like Trump.

[Jimbuna]

It's a copywrite infringement to use the songs without permission. Plus these people don't like Trump.

I'd have thought that was the least of his problems right now.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'd have thought that was the least of his problems right now.

He has no problems. But has plenty of lawyers(solicitors). :hmmm::har:

[Jimbuna]

He has no problems. But has plenty of lawyers(solicitors). :hmmm::har:

True that :)

[Buddahaid]

He has no problems. But has plenty of lawyers(solicitors). :hmmm::har:

Not really. Some of them like Alina Habba barely qualify and do him no favors by having little experience and screwing up. Others that have good reputations and do have the experience have quit because he doesn't listen to them and is a bad client, and a few, too few, are doing OK but risking being sanctioned by filing repeat motions that the Judge has already ruled on at Trump's bidding.

And to make matters worse, these lawyers are being paid for through campaign donations.

[AVGWarhawk]

Not really. Some of them like Alina Habba barely qualify and do him no favors by having little experience and screwing up. Others that have good reputations and do have the experience have quit because he doesn't listen to them and is a bad client, and a few, too few, are doing OK but risking being sanctioned by filing repeat motions that the Judge has already ruled on at Trump's bidding.

And to make matters worse, these lawyers are being paid for through campaign donations.

Sarcasm, Budda. I even used emoji!!

[Buddahaid]

Sarcasm, Budda. I even used emoji!!

Sorry, I've been away and got rusty...

[AVGWarhawk]

Sorry, I've been away and got rusty...

I hear buddy! BTW, were have read Trumps campaign money is paying for lawyers?

[AVGWarhawk]

Here it is. Let's stop the BS with Trump and Arlington. Biden has done the same with Arlington. The disgrace here is Biden/Harris did not show up. Even if they were not invited.

https://youtu.be/rrABFn9sI_0?si=WCy5ThkTCK44mpam

[Buddahaid]

I hear buddy! BTW, were have read Trumps campaign money is paying for lawyers?

Here's one.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-campaign-paid-legal-fees-lawyers-millions-rcna136498

[AVGWarhawk]

Here's one.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-campaign-paid-legal-fees-lawyers-millions-rcna136498

It appears he is raising money for the lawyers

but "Both groups also reimbursed another company, which handles campaign finance compliance and prepares disclosures for the campaign, millions more for legal fees. It was not clear whether those legal fees were associated with complying with federal campaign finance law or with investigations into Trump's effort to overturn the 2020 election."

But we as the media are going to float this out there.....Article written Jan 2024. Guess they are meeting the compliance.

[Rockstar]

Here it is. Let's stop the BS with Trump and Arlington. Biden has done the same with Arlington. The disgrace here is Biden/Harris did not show up. Even if they were not invited.

https://youtu.be/rrABFn9sI_0?si=WCy5ThkTCK44mpam

I heard that this morning on SXM. Once again we see the usual suspects who never served a day not have a clue what they were talking about. They just selfishly spewed vitriol and more accusation, that’s all they know. Destroying the meaning and solemn occasion of the event. The trolls and attention seekers took that day away from the families and selfishly turned it into something about themselves and their politics.

As veteran let me end with rot in hell.

[Rockstar]

It’s looking like we discovered where the divisiveness of DEI came from. And who the CCP sees as easy targets to promote it.

NY Governor Hochul's Deputy Linda Sun demanding "equity" in the US.

https://youtube.com/shorts/jYDID4-LAic?si=9KNqNk9ZmXd27EUG

Turns out, she is a Chinese spy.

https://youtu.be/j4Nx-2WkptU

The CCP knows who to target. Swalwell, a Democrat was dating a Chinese spy. Diane Feinstein a Democrat had a Chinese spy as her office manager.

Now, Hochul’s deputy was a CCP spy.

Turns out the wannabe communist Tim Walz (Democrat) who is Kamala’s (little ms centralized planning price control) running mate has made over 30 trips to China including spending his honeymoon there!

https://youtu.be/g1BbswU3i10

[AVGWarhawk]

I heard that this morning on SXM. Once again we see the usual suspects who never served a day not have a clue what they were talking about. They just selfishly spewed vitriol and more accusation, that’s all they know. Destroying the meaning and solemn occasion of the event. The trolls and attention seekers took that day away from the families and selfishly turned it into something about themselves and their politics.

As veteran let me end with rot in hell.

The usual suspects have the knack of turning Trump giving an ice cream cone to a kid into horrifying moment. The child will require counseling. The ice cream company denounces Trump. The polls reflect a drop and the swing states are now solid Harris.

It is frickin tiresome.

[Jimbuna]

This VP candidate is preferred by 10% as election enters home stretch

There is a notable gap between favorability of the vice presidential nominees in the 2024 election.

Sen. J.D. Vance has held at a 32 percent favorability rating from early August to later in the month, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll released on Tuesday reveals.

Meanwhile, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz increased his favorability from 39 percent in the polling on August 13 compared to the 42 percent he now boasts in the post-Democratic National Convention survey.

The 10 point split exhibits the boost that Walz might be able to give Vice President Kamala Harris – as is further evident by him joining the nominee last week for her first and only sit-down interview so far since entering the race in late July.
Despite this gap, there is still a large consensus that the running mate doesn't make or break a presidential campaign.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/this-vp-candidate-is-preferred-by-10-as-election-enters-home-stretch/ar-AA1pW5bH?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=01955cb365554f1ab4e671a87c42bb53&ei=18

[Rockstar]

The usual suspects have the knack of turning Trump giving an ice cream cone to a kid into horrifying moment. The child will require counseling. The ice cream company denounces Trump. The polls reflect a drop and the swing states are now solid Harris.

It is frickin tiresome.

Ya know considering which party the Chicoms seem flood with spies target and influence with divisive DEI projects. Let’s give a round of applause to Democrats and Millie for doing the most damage by turning the U.S. armed forces into a joke that young men and women don’t want to join. Pretty much the same reason why consumers stop purchasing and buying in stores that promote the same DEI b.s.

https://youtu.be/-lc5ZIm9DpY

[Rockstar]

Former Democratic CA Senate Majority Leader Gloria Romero announces she’s changing her voter registration from Democrat to Republican.

On Dem Party she says “I think it’s taken a giant leap toward authoritarianism and censorship.”

She says she will vote for Trump this fall.

[AVGWarhawk]

Another tiresome prediction is Trump will be a dictator. When executive orders are used then yes, it's a dictatorship. All president use and abuse executive orders. So do governors. Executive orders should be abolished. Not to mention the 4 years Trump ran this country he did not make it a dictatorship. Yet even today many believe he can and will.

[AVGWarhawk]

Harris said she will raise taxes to 28 percent on million dollar earners. What a crock. Take $1.00 less then 1 million as shown on your W2. Kiss your 28 percent goodbye. People making 1 million are not dummies. They will not go quietly into that goodnight. They have the means and knowhow to circumvent the cash grab.

[mapuc]

Another tiresome prediction is Trump will be a dictator. When executive orders are used then yes, it's a dictatorship. All president use and abuse executive orders. So do governors. Executive orders should be abolished. Not to mention the 4 years Trump ran this country he did not make it a dictatorship. Yet even today many believe he can and will.

You will still have your free speech though.

I may not be an expert on your policy or your constitution but isn't it impossible for a President to turn your democracy to a dictatorship

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

You will still have your free speech though.

I may not be an expert on your policy or your constitution but isn't it impossible for a President to turn your democracy to a dictatorship

Markus

Free speech is under attack. Biden censored FB. It would take a miracle and the military behind you to establish a dictatorship in the US.

[Rockstar]

You will still have your free speech though.

I may not be an expert on your policy or your constitution but isn't it impossible for a President to turn your democracy to a dictatorship

Markus

Yes we will have our right to free speech. But realize its there to prevent government from abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

Free speech is not protected on private social platforms such as Facebook, X, Subsim etc. Zuckerberg, Elon and Neal can regulate what is said on their websites as they see fit.

Zuckerberg apparently has caved to government pressures. So far Elon and Neal haven’t. Like Democrats the E.U., U.K., that little wanker from London, Maduro and some judge from Brazil are going after Elon now, Onkel Neal will be next ;)

[Rockstar]

I don’t think our government is out to quell a U.S. citizens right to free speech. It has more if not everything to with regulating information on the internet saturated with enemy propaganda.

We do the same thing to them, I just don’t like when it’s done to us though ;)

Some right wing influencers Dave Rubin, Tim Poole and others were associated with TENET Media. Does that make them Russia spies? Probably not just a couple of unwitting boobs


Justice Department Disrupts Covert Russian Government-Sponsored Foreign Malign Influence Operation Targeting Audiences in the United States and Elsewhere

Wednesday, September 4, 2024

Influence Operation Relied on Influencers, AI-Generated Content, Paid Social Media Advertisements, and Social Media Accounts to Drive Internet Traffic to Cybersquatted and Other Domains
Note: View the affidavit here.

The Justice Department today announced the ongoing seizure of 32 internet domains used in Russian government-directed foreign malign influence campaigns colloquially referred to as “Doppelganger,” in violation of U.S. money laundering and criminal trademark laws. As alleged in an unsealed affidavit, the Russian companies Social Design Agency (SDA), Structura National Technology (Structura), and ANO Dialog, operating under the direction and control of the Russian Presidential Administration, and in particular First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office Sergei Vladilenovich Kiriyenko, used these domains, among others, to covertly spread Russian government propaganda with the aim of reducing international support for Ukraine, bolstering pro-Russian policies and interests, and influencing voters in U.S. and foreign elections, including the U.S. 2024 Presidential Election.

In conjunction with the domain seizures, the U.S. Treasury Department announced the designation of 10 individuals and two entities as part of a coordinated response to Russia’s malign influence efforts targeting the 2024 U.S. presidential election. This announcement follows the designation of actors involved in Doppelganger announced by the Treasury Department in March.

“The Justice Department is seizing 32 internet domains that the Russian government and Russian government-sponsored actors have used to engage in a covert campaign to interfere in and influence the outcome of our country’s elections,” said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland. “As alleged in our court filings, President Vladimir Putin’s inner circle, including Sergei Kiriyenko, directed Russian public relations companies to promote disinformation and state-sponsored narratives as part of a campaign to influence the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election. An internal planning document created by the Kremlin states that a goal of the campaign is to secure Russia’s preferred outcome in the election. The sites we are seizing today were filled with Russian government propaganda that had been created by the Kremlin to reduce international support for Ukraine, bolster pro-Russian policies and interests, and influence voters in the United States and other countries. Our actions today make clear that the Justice Department will be aggressive in countering and disrupting attempts by the Russian government, or any other malign actor, to interfere in our elections and undermine our democracy.”

“The Department’s seizure of 32 internet domains secretly deployed to spread foreign malign influence demonstrates once again that Russia remains a predominant foreign threat to our elections,” said Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco. “At Putin’s direction, Russian companies SDA, Structura, and ANO Dialog used cybersquatting, fabricated influencers, and fake profiles to covertly promote AI-generated false narratives on social media. Those narratives targeted specific American demographics and regions in a calculated effort to subvert our election. Our republic depends on elections that are free from foreign interference, and we will not rest in our efforts to expose foreign malign influence operations and protect our democracy, without fear or favor.”

“Today’s announcement exposes the scope of the Russian government’s influence operations and their reliance on cutting-edge AI to sow disinformation,” said FBI Director Christopher Wray. “Companies operating at the direction of the Russian government created websites to trick Americans into unwittingly consuming Russian propaganda. By seizing these websites, the FBI is making clear to the world what they are, Russian attempts to interfere in our elections and influence our society. The FBI will continue to work with our partners to expose and shutdown these covert influence campaigns.”

“This seizure illustrates vividly what the U.S. government and private sector partners have warned for months: the Russian government and its proxies are aggressively accelerating the Kremlin’s covert efforts to seed false stories and amplify disinformation directed at the American public,” said Assistant Attorney General Matthew G. Olsen of the Justice Department’s National Security Division. “Today’s announcement reveals Russia is willing to impersonate our free and open press in its egregious schemes. This is our third disruption of Russian foreign malign influence operations in two months, and the Justice Department remains relentless in protecting Americans from such unacceptable conduct. To Russia, and any other government seeking to stoke discord in our society: know that we will spare no effort and use every available tool to disrupt and expose this malign activity and defend our democratic institutions.”

“Protecting our democratic processes from foreign malign influence is paramount to ensure enduring public trust,” said U.S. Attorney Jacqueline C. Romero for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. “As America’s adversaries continue to spew propaganda and disinformation towards the American electorate, we’ll use every tool at our disposal to expose and dismantle their insidious foreign influence campaigns.”

The propaganda did not identify, and in fact purposefully obfuscated, the Russian government or its agents as the source of the content. The perpetrators extensively utilized “cybersquatted” domains, a method of registering a domain intended to mimic another person or company’s website (e.g., registering washingtonpost.pm to mimic washingtonpost.com), to publish Russian government messaging falsely presented as content from legitimate news media organizations. In other instances, the perpetrators sought to create their own unique media brands to promote Doppelganger content (e.g., Recent Reliable News). Among the methods Doppelganger used to drive viewership to the cybersquatted and unique media domains was the deployment of “influencers” worldwide, paid social media advertisements (in some cases created using artificial intelligence tools), and the creation of social media profiles posing as U.S. (or other non-Russian) citizens to post comments on social media platforms with links to the cybersquatted domains, all of which attempted to trick viewers into believing they were being directed to a legitimate news media outlet’s website.

Overview

The affidavit describes the perpetrators’ own internal strategy meeting notes, project proposals, and other records obtained during the course of the investigation. Several notable propaganda project proposals directed against the United States included:

Good Old USA Project: Attachments 8A, 8B
The Guerilla Media Campaign: Attachments 9A, 9B
U.S. Social Media Influencers Network Project: Attachments 10A, 10B
Doppelganger’s foreign malign influence efforts were not directed solely against audiences in the United States. Other targets of the perpetrators’ propaganda included Germany, Mexico, and Israel, among others. Doppelganger’s influence campaigns sought to influence the citizenry of those countries to support Russian government objectives, including by undermining the United States’ relationship with those countries.

Doppelganger’s use of the U.S.-based domain names at the direction and control of, and for the benefit of, sanctioned persons, including Sergei Vladilenovich Kiriyenko, SDA, and Structura, violates the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA). As a result, the accompanying payments for Doppelganger’s online infrastructure violate federal money laundering laws. In addition, Doppelganger’s publication of content on cybersquatted domains with names and content that mimic legitimate media outlets violates federal criminal trademark laws because those domains feature trademarks registered on the Principal Register maintained by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

The FBI Philadelphia Field Office is investigating the case.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, the National Security Division’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section and National Security Cyber Section are prosecuting the case, with valuable assistance from the Criminal Division’s Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section.

[Jimbuna]

Harris accepts rules for Sept. 10 debate with Trump on ABC, including microphone muting

WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Kamala Harris has accepted the rules set forth for next week's debate with former President Donald Trump, although the Democratic nominee says the decision not to keep both candidates' microphones live throughout the matchup will be to her disadvantage.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/harris-accepts-rules-for-sept-10-debate-with-trump-on-abc-including-microphone-muting/ar-AA1q0Vd3?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ea9254c7104a42f48e8b32d81bdd7203&ei=25

[AVGWarhawk]

Harris accepts rules for Sept. 10 debate with Trump on ABC, including microphone muting

Trump needs the mics muted. Its for his own good.

[Jimbuna]

Trump needs the mics muted. Its for his own good.

Agreed :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

Tim's family??? Why yes. His cousins. Not a good look Tim.



https://headlines.americanlookout.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/walz-family-2048x1811.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

I guess I need to go test my Amazon Dot and Alexa. Appears she like Kamala. Does not comment on Trump


https://youtu.be/jbo1gkS3Okk?si=Nd52vC7lBujfT1F0

[Rockstar]

Tim's family??? Why yes. His cousins. Not a good look Tim.



https://headlines.americanlookout.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/walz-family-2048x1811.jpg

Seems Nebraska’s Walz family dog has an opinion too.

https://i.ibb.co/D7YmrDW/IMG-0469.jpg

[Rockstar]

Trump needs the mics muted. Its for his own good.

I liked the rules of the first debate, I thought questions were fair and the muted mikes kept things on point. I also think Trump used his time well and was able to not only respond to Bidens answers but answer the question’s asked of him within the allotted time.

We’ll see how round two goes.

[AVGWarhawk]

I liked the rules of the first debate, I thought questions were fair and the muted mikes kept things on point. I also think Trump used his time well and was able to not only respond to Bidens answers but answer the question’s asked of him within the allotted time.

We’ll see how round two goes.

Muting does help Trump. It gives him time to think about a response instead of immediately responding off the cuff. However, the unmuted debates are full of some good chuckles. :har:

[Rockstar]

Muting does help Trump. It gives him time to think about a response instead of immediately responding off the cuff. However, the unmuted debates are full of some good chuckles. :har:

Well, even muted I could still hear both of them talking. I just couldn’t understand what they were saying which is fine by me. I think the debate rules promoted civility and forced them to stay on point without the drama. More importantly it didn’t give much to the party fanboys to comment on other than responses to questions.

In other news I haven’t seen much in the news since the initial report about Chinese spies caught working in the Democrat party. But damn if some networks aren’t trying their best to connect Trump with DOJs latest crack down on Russian disinformation.

Not only do we get worked over by the Chinese and Russians but by our political parties as well


Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle with you

[AVGWarhawk]

In other news I haven’t seen much in the news since the initial report about Chinese spies caught working in the Democrat party. But damn if some networks aren’t trying their best to connect Trump with DOJs latest crack down on Russian disinformation.





More distraction to take eyes off Harris. Joe Biden's basement bunker looks like a greenhouse compared to Harris. She is not see at all.

[Rockstar]

They finally said the quiet part out loud what many of us already knew. :har::har:

Probably why Chinese spies caught working in the democrat party was swept under the rug too.

https://thechinaacademy.org/sorry-mr-sullivan-but-you-just-got-china-so-wrong/

So, what’s Sullivan’s purpose for visiting China? As depicted in the British sitcom “Yes, Prime Minister”, whenever Western governments officially deny any link between two matters through an anonymous official, the reality is often the opposite. Sullivan’s purpose is clear: the Democratic Party needs China’s support in the 2024 U.S. presidential election to help them defeat Trump.

Full story below

On August 27, U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan arrived in Beijing, kicking off a three-day visit to China. On the first day, he met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi. To be honest, I’m not too eager to comment on Sullivan’s visit, as it involves assessing the strategic relationship between China and the U.S., which can induce a rather anxious mindset.

Today’s United States feels as though it’s caught between a state of semi-autism and half-dreaming, with a worldview that seems to say, “I don’t care what you think, only what I think.” As for everything else? Just BACK OFF. Dealing with the U.S. today inevitably leads to a profound sense of helplessness and frustration.

To put it bluntly, the U.S. decision-making elite, especially their foreign strategy team, is not normal in its cognition. Chas W. Freeman Jr. described it as self-anesthetization and self-hypnosis. I would say it’s a deep pathology.

This pathology permeates from the inside out, and it’s not just directed at China; it’s their attitude toward the entire world. However, only China refuses to buy into it, and their distortion of China is stronger than in other areas. China is increasingly able to view the U.S. from an equal footing and recognize this abnormality. It’s like the famous fairy tale “The Emperor’s New Clothes,” where the two con men weave invisible clothes while other countries pretend to follow America’s lead in running around naked.

So, what’s Sullivan’s purpose for visiting China? As depicted in the British sitcom “Yes, Prime Minister”, whenever Western governments officially deny any link between two matters through an anonymous official, the reality is often the opposite. Sullivan’s purpose is clear: the Democratic Party needs China’s support in the 2024 U.S. presidential election to help them defeat Trump.

First, the U.S. needs China to convey to the outside world that Biden’s foreign policy is impressive, his financial policies are solid, and his China strategy is effective. Therefore, Biden is a good president, and now he’s passing the torch to Harris, making her a good president too—so everyone should vote for her.

Second, they are laying the groundwork for significant economic policy moves in September. The U.S. economy currently relies on opening and closing the floodgates—too much water? Shut them. Too little water? Open them. Other than that, they can’t produce anything substantive. Their industrial policies, manufacturing reshoring, and infrastructure development are merely a joke. The entire U.S. is caught in a massive bubble. Therefore, they need to lower interest rates, and the cut may be larger than expected. However, if China doesn’t cooperate in macroeconomic, financial, and fiscal support, the U.S. could be in serious trouble. Thus, the U.S. is asking for China’s help.

Unfortunately, the U.S. political scene is currently dominated by the notion that the States is number one and invincible, and forever. The Democrats claim that everything has been fine, and only the Republicans, infected by the “Trump virus,” think otherwise. They insist that closing one’s eyes and repeating that America is the best will make it so, and thus there’s no need to make concessions to China. America has already given China face by coming to Beijing with polite requests, and China should feel honored and bow in gratitude.

And the Republicans are even worse than their colleagues across the aisle, believing the entire world should “pay tribute” to the U.S., feeling honored to be exploited by America. Talk of negotiation? You just don’t deserve it.

This leads to the current stalemate, where America expects China to make “selfless contributions” and even feel good about it. It’s as if America slapped your right cheek, and you’re supposed to offer your left cheek and kindly ask if America’s hand hurts. America demands that China willingly accept sanctions, not speak out, not retaliate, and not bring up Taiwan. They want to do whatever they want, assuring you that Taiwan won’t be “allowed” to pursue so-called legal independence, and that’s enough, you should be grateful. How dare you confront the Philippines in the South China Sea? The Philippines is America’s little brother. And as for Russia, you should just kill it off like we say.

Sullivan is the National Security Advisor to the U.S. President, but this is not a public office. He’s appointed by the president, not requiring Senate approval. He’s just an advisor who serves the president, similar to an imperial envoy in ancient China.

Sullivan and our Foreign Minister Wang Yi have interacted before. Yet despite spending a year trying to understand China, the U.S. still hasn’t corrected its understanding. Or to be blunt, the entire U.S. diplomatic team, from President Biden downwards, is in a collective state of daydreaming, living in a fancy world in their brains.

What makes America so awkward, leaving people feeling helpless and bewildered, is that despite their lack of capability, their dreams are more beautiful than ever before.

This state is best embodied by Harris’s campaign platform: You lack it, I’ll give it to you. You don’t like this, I’ll change it to what you want. The costs and methods don’t matter; just say Harris’s name, and your dreams will come true. This is a surreal moment in the history of Western international relations and a manifestation of the decline of Western civilization, as Oswald Spengler predicted.

Sullivan’s visit is doomed to be a fruitless attempt by the U.S. to gain concessions from China without offering anything in return. The goal is to secure practical commitments from China to maximize Harris’s chances in the election, all without guaranteeing future commitments. It’s highly likely that once they win, they’ll kick down the ladder because the Republicans will certainly be tough the U.S.-China strategy as always. For China, this presents a significant challenge.

Ultimately, what matters is strength. China is special, it’s a rising power with significant emerging market characteristics. This isn’t modesty; it’s the objective reality. Yet, China is increasingly able to view America from a level playing field, adopting a calm attitude toward U.S. relations.

Economically, China certainly faces challenges, but so does the entire world, entering a long-term downturn and macroeconomic stagnation. Among major nations, China’s economic performance, in terms of overall indices, is undoubtedly the best.

For example, if America’s macroeconomic data is as good as they claim, then I’ve got three questions waiting for answers:

First, where do so many of Trump’s supporters come from?

If the incumbent claims they have managed the economy well and the American public buys it, Harris wouldn’t meet a strong opposition challenger like Trump. Unlike China, where people may voice concerns about the economy through various analyses, the U.S. claims everything is going great, while Americans themselves often say they have no idea how this supposed prosperity relates to their daily lives. If things are so great, then why the need for interest rate cuts?

Second, why was non-farm employment revised downward by 810,000 jobs from April last year to March this year?

During this period, the U.S. claimed to have created 2.9 million jobs, but the revision erased 30% of these jobs. This conveniently creates a scenario where the Federal Reserve must cut interest rates. If the economy was truly strong, shouldn’t employment be robust as well?

These employment figures imply that the U.S. requires rate cuts to stimulate the economy to the necessary degree. In this context, China should be confident in recognizing that the U.S. is seeking help from China. In this strategic game initiated by the U.S., China has no obligation to comply. China’s effort should be put on a more constructive strategy toward U.S.-China relations.

This constructive strategy must include one essential component: when the U.S. acts out of line and disrupts the stability of U.S.-China relations, and the relationship is not developing on a healthy track, China must punish and correct the U.S. This is an inevitable path.

Third, what has been the real outcome of U.S. initiatives such as the CHIPS Act, the Inflation Reduction Act, and the $1.2 trillion infrastructure plan?

How many charging stations have been built? How many new railways, roads, and bridges have been constructed? What kind of impact has this had on the U.S. economy? How are the new chip factories progressing? What is the output of these new chip plants? How many computing power centers have been built in the U.S. using advanced computing chips? How many companies are applying large-scale models in ways that are truly creating value and driving productivity growth in the U.S.?

After reflecting on these three questions, we can form a more balanced understanding of the U.S.-China strategic competition. In this new framework, we have reason to believe that China does not need to make concessions to the U.S.

We should also have a broader perspective on Sullivan’s visit or the ongoing strategic dialogue between China and the U.S. Now, China should act more like a patient teacher educating a stubborn student, guiding the next step of America by a combination of words and actions.

China aims to safeguard its national interests while maintaining a healthy and dynamic balance in U.S.-China relations. This is not the unilateral responsibility of one side. Achieving this benefits both sides, and a framework of “tit for tat” and “word for word, action for action” will gradually form, becoming the general trend of future development.

Sullivan arrived and stepped off the plane with no red carpet, only a clearly marked red line on the ground. Even if there’s no carpet now, he doesn’t mind; he still came. Last time, when Blinken visited Shanghai, he was left on his own, but he didn’t mind. Why? Because he doesn’t have the stature to act that way, nor does he have the leverage to make so many demands. Everyone is discussing matters pragmatically—regardless of China’s attitude, they still have to sit down and talk seriously. This marks a subtle shift in the dynamics.

In this phase of asymmetric and uneven power growth and transition, recognizing and understanding these details is essential for fully comprehending and managing U.S.-China relations.

References
https://www.guancha.cn/ShenYi/2024_08_28_746345.shtm

Author Shen Yi
Professor of International Relations at Fudan

[Rockstar]

DOJ Chief of Public Affairs Admits Trump Indictments Are a Politically Motivated "Perversion of Justice"; Reveals Lawfare Involved in Making Former President a "Convicted Felon" Backfired on Democrats; Claims His Former Colleague Alvin Bragg's Case is "Nonsense" And Alleges He Was "Stacking Charges"

“He[Alvin Bragg] was just stacking charges and rearranging things just to make it fit a case.”

“I think the case is nonsense.”

“It’s a perversion of justice.”

“It’s a travesty of justice.”

“It’s a mockery of justice.”

“The whole thing is disgusting.”

“That’s why he’s[Trump] surging in the polls.”

https://youtu.be/2jTcxoOjPfQ

[mapuc]

^ Are the Americans aware of this ? I hope they are and will punish the Dems on the 5th of Nov.

Haha 43-50 % would believe it is true.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

DOJ Chief of Public Affairs Admits Trump Indictments Are a Politically Motivated "Perversion of Justice"; Reveals Lawfare Involved in Making Former President a "Convicted Felon" Backfired on Democrats; Claims His Former Colleague Alvin Bragg's Case is "Nonsense" And Alleges He Was "Stacking Charges"

“He[Alvin Bragg] was just stacking charges and rearranging things just to make it fit a case.”

“I think the case is nonsense.”

“It’s a perversion of justice.”

“It’s a travesty of justice.”

“It’s a mockery of justice.”

“The whole thing is disgusting.”

“That’s why he’s[Trump] surging in the polls.”

He's entitled to his opinions, and he doesn't work for the State AG's office.

[mapuc]

Do you think this step is needed and do you think Elon Must is the right person to do it ?

https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/09/trump-vows-establish-efficiency-commission-Elon-Musk-helm/399323/

Markus

[Dargo]

Do you think this step is needed and do you think Elon Must is the right person to do it ?

https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/09/trump-vows-establish-efficiency-commission-Elon-Musk-helm/399323/

MarkusComrade Elon is a blyat stupid he bought twitter with I get rid of all bots guess what there are so many Russian bots on Twitter that the whole place is FUBAR he destroyed twitter. With Elon, you know for sure where the bus is going to hell he is only here on this earth for our amusement

[AVGWarhawk]

Do you think this step is needed and do you think Elon Must is the right person to do it ?

https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/09/trump-vows-establish-efficiency-commission-Elon-Musk-helm/399323/

Markus

Elon needs to stick to whatever he is doing.

[Rockstar]

Do you think this step is needed and do you think Elon Must is the right person to do it ?

https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/09/trump-vows-establish-efficiency-commission-Elon-Musk-helm/399323/

Markus

In my opinion it will just be adding to an already bloated bureaucracy. If Trump wins Musk will be gone in four years if not sooner with little to show for it.

[Ostfriese]

Elon needs to stick to whatever he is doing.


He isn't even good at that (unless you count 'burning ****loads of money' as an desireable trait).

[Rockstar]

Yesterdays News

Bank of America could collapse in 2024 – Take a look

Story by Jai Hamid • 7 months ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/bank-of-america-could-collapse-in-2024-take-a-look/ar-AA1mSNuw
The stability of Bank of America, a cornerstone in the American financial landscape, is now under intense scrutiny. With a series of troubling financial reports and industry upheavals, the question on everyone’s mind is: Could 2024 be the year this banking giant collapse? …

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Todays news

Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway, has further reduced its stake in Bank of America, selling 18.7 million shares over a three day period from September 3 to September 5.

Maybe ol’Warren knows something we don’t know and he’s trying to get the hell out of there. It doesn’t matter if Trump or Harris is elected, it’s going to crash hard.

[Jimbuna]

I think Trump should part company with this guy.

His words won't resonate well with a great many US parents.

'The GOP doesn’t care': JD Vance lambasted for calling school shootings 'a fact of life'

During a recent campaign event in Arizona, 2024 Republican vice presidential nominee Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) commented on this week's school shooting in Winder, Georgia. Now, he's facing heavy criticism from elected officials, activists and gun violence survivors.

Vice President Kamala Harris' campaign tweeted the video of Vance's remarks, writing: "JD Vance responds to the deadly shooting in Georgia by saying school shootings are just 'a fact of life' and attacking common sense gun safety reform." The video has been viewed more than seven million times in less than 12 hours.

"I don't like this, I don't like to admit this, I don't like that this is a fact of life," Vance said, before calling for more enhanced security measures at schools across the country.

"I don’t want my kids to go to school in a place where they feel like you’ve got to have additional security, but that is increasingly the reality that we live in," he added.

"School shootings are a fact of life? My daughter Jaime's murder was a fact of life?" Tweeted Fred Guttenberg, who is the parent of a Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting victim. "F— you @JDVance, you miserable pr--k. I can't wait to make your exit from having any say in our public safety a fact of life."

Several people pointed out that the Ohio senator called school shootings a "fact of life" while speaking behind bulletproof glass at his events — which the Secret Service has insisted on since the attempt on former President Donald Trump's life in July — and while security prevents those carrying firearms from attending.

"When shots were fired at Trump MAGA Republicans were furious... When shots are fired at students and teachers, MAGA Republicans: 'it's a fact of life' and 'We’ve got to deal with it,'" tweeted Never Trump conservative Matt Walton. "As a teacher I say this is bulls— and it's time for major change."

"The person making this remark gets to speak at these events where firearms are prohibited," attorney Bradley Moss observed.

Dr. Chris Fresch, who is a lecturer at the Bible College of South Australia, noted that as "an American living in Australia," school shootings were not a fact of life outside of the United States. He tweeted that "there are no security measures beyond gates, doors & staff."

"Active shooter drills? My kids have never heard of them," Fresch wrote. "There are solutions, but the GOP doesn’t care."

Brandon Wolf — a survivor of the 2016 Pulse Nightclub shooting in Orlando, Florida — also tore into Vance for his comments. He wrote that he "refuse[s] to believe that watching kids come out of school in body bags is a 'fact of life.'" He added that he "won’t tell parents who’ve buried their children that it’s just 'reality,'" and that "political cowards" have little more to offer than a "shrug."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-gop-doesn-t-care-jd-vance-lambasted-for-calling-school-shootings-a-fact-of-life/ar-AA1q6UcY?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=a06cb0d5f02f46fd8d246800fe713b2f&ei=24

[AVGWarhawk]

I think Trump should part company with this guy.

His words won't resonate well with a great many US parents.

Vance is correct. It is a fact of life that parents, local authorities, school administrators and even the students themselves to be aware of it. My daughter as in a lock down situation in her school. Possible gun. She was in a closet with her classmates texting me and her mom. It is a fact of life in our schools. There are many facts of life in our schools today.

My school days the fall out shelter sign was in every classroom. We practiced drills. It was a fact of life.

[Jimbuna]

Vance is correct. It is a fact of life that parents, local authorities, school administrators and even the students themselves to be aware of it. My daughter as in a lock down situation in her school. Possible gun. She was in a closet with her classmates texting me and her mom. It is a fact of life in our schools. There are many facts of life in our schools today.

My school days the fall out shelter sign was in every classroom. We practiced drills. It was a fact of life.

Quite surprised at your response Chris :o

[AVGWarhawk]

Quite surprised at your response Chris :o

There are numerous facts of life in our schools. Proper pronouns. Litterboxes for kids who think they are a cat. Drag queens reading books to grade school students. Books in the school library discussing boy on boy sex. The list goes on.

You see some of those responding stopped at "Its a fact of life". His second sentence he states he hates it. Hate to have security. But it is reality.

[Rockstar]

I think Trump should part company with this guy.

His words won't resonate well with a great many US parents.

His words were taken out of context the original ap article was removed a correction made placing quote back in context and reposted.

Looks like a lot of people world wide fell for it too.

AvgWarHawks response is based on the corrected article.

[Jimbuna]

Agreed but my point was precisely that of "Its a fact of life" and the high likelihood that is what they'll hang their hat on.

[Rockstar]

Agreed but my point was precisely that of "Its a fact of life" and the high likelihood that is what they'll hang their hat on.

No doubt in my mind that’s exactly what they were counting on by publishing just those five words in the first version of the headline. :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

No doubt in my mind that’s exactly what they were counting on by publishing just those five words in the first version of the headline. :yep:

Of course. The headline grabber. It is always wrong but it gets your attention. Most do not read much past what the headline states.

[Rockstar]

As discussed elsewhere the murder rate has dropped considerably since 1990. From 9 per 100,000 down to 4.5 per 100,000. An increase beginning in 2014 a slight decrease when the orange man was president and shooting up and peaking around 2020 to 7 per 100,000 and appears to be dropping again.

According to UN statistics Americans own 46% of all guns in the world. Yet, London U.K. murder rate managed to surpass New York City U.S. That shouldn’t be if guns were really the problem.

https://i.ibb.co/j31W77C/IMG-0478.jpg

:D

[Rockstar]

I haven’t read much about the kid who murdered people. But I’d bet money anti-depressants were involved again.

[Buddahaid]

All of that doesn’t change the facts that gun violence is the number one cause of death for kids now, and that it’s almost a uniquely US problem. Certainly the US leads the west and is indeed “great again” in this respect.

[mapuc]

All of that doesn’t change the facts that gun violence is the number one cause of death for kids now, and that it’s almost a uniquely US problem. Certainly the US leads the west and is indeed “great again” in this respect.

Yes it's an American problem and should be solved domestic.

Wonder if it ever will be solved.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes it's an American problem and should be solved domestic.

Wonder if it ever will be solved.

Markus

Not when dad gives their 14 year old kid a AR-15 for Christmas. Sheesh...

[mapuc]

Not when dad gives their 14 year old kid a AR-15 for Christmas. Sheesh...

:o Isn't it illegal to give an underage a AR-15 or other machine gun ?

Markus

[Dargo]

:o Isn't it illegal to give an underage a AR-15 or other machine gun ?

MarkusThat is why dad is arrested

[Buddahaid]

:o Isn't it illegal to give an underage a AR-15 or other machine gun ?

Markus

"The father of the 14-year-old school shooter in Winder, Georgia, has been charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree child abuse murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children."

https://youtu.be/8yDoj0kZ3BA?si=jASIMF_nLORbvPhm

[Rockstar]

All of that doesn’t change the facts that gun violence is the number one cause of death for kids now, and that it’s almost a uniquely US problem. Certainly the US leads the west and is indeed “great again” in this respect.

No it’s not, motor vehicle accidents are the leading cause of death of teenagers.

[Buddahaid]

No it’s not, motor vehicle accidents are the leading cause of death for teenagers

You're right. I feel so much better about it now....
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761

[August]

All of that doesn’t change the facts that gun violence is the number one cause of death for kids now, and that it’s almost a uniquely US problem. Certainly the US leads the west and is indeed “great again” in this respect.


You'd feel better if they were knifed to death instead? Dead is dead regardless of the type of murder weapon used.

[Rockstar]

I know Im right.

45,222 firearm-related deaths in the United States in 2020. Where did they get that number from? The U.S. has a population of 337,000,000 people. FBI statistics calculated there were 7.8 murders per 100,000 in 2020. Do the math.

Incidentally the rise in murder rates to 7.8 per 100,000 in 2020 was the sharpest spike since 1905.

[Buddahaid]

You'd feel better if they were knifed to death instead? Dead is dead regardless of the type of murder weapon used.

Typical BS excuse remark. Thoughts and prayers but just nothing can be done about it... Total BS!

[Rockstar]

The State of California is the murder capital of the country. Sounds like a typical click bait doom headline when put like that doesn’t it?

But when considering the number of homicides is just a hair over 2000 per year in a population of 38,000,000 million people. Honestly IMO it’s really not even a blip on the RADAR screen. Next Id be interested to how many homicides were actually committed with a firearm. Was it a firearm, poisoning, club, knife, vehicular homicide, or just a good old fashioned kick to the head.


Does make good political hay though.

I live in Florida and we carry guns like we do our car keys and wallet. Total homicides per year here? 334 out of a little over 22,000,000 million people.

Guns are a great tool, but they are not the problem

[mapuc]

That is why dad is arrested

I meant in general.
Anyone who give or sell a weapon who is used in a crime, would get arrested and accused.

Markus

[Rockstar]

I meant in general.
Anyone who give or sell a weapon who is used in a crime, would get arrested and accused.

Markus

The kid could not legally purchase a firearm. His father could and gave it too his son. Being the child is considered a minor not only is the father responsible for the child he is responsible for that firearm in his house as well.

The seller of a firearm in a legal transaction between adults is not responsible for what the other guy does with the firearm.

[August]

Typical BS excuse remark. Thoughts and prayers but just nothing can be done about it... Total BS!


Don't lay your strawmen arguments on me Bud. I never said that nothing could be done about murder rates, i'm just pointing out that its a fallacy to think that a murderers choice of weapon should make some sort of difference to their victim or anyone else, except for authoritarian minded Democrats who want to use fear of an inanimate object to steal Americans supposedly constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms.

[mapuc]

Don't lay your strawmen arguments on me Bud. I never said that nothing could be done about murder rates, i'm just pointing out that its a fallacy to think that a murderers choice of weapon should make some sort of difference to their victim or anyone else, except for authoritarian minded Democrats who want to use fear of an inanimate object to steal Americans supposedly constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms.


As I see it you can't accuse the Dems only. From my memory there has been mass shooting when the Rep was in charge.

Markus

[vienna]

Hmm...

....are they ice skating in hades...?...


Dick Cheney says he will vote for Kamala Harris --

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/liz-cheney-dick-cheney-kamala-harris/


Ex-Republican VP Dick Cheney ‘Will Vote for Kamala Harris’ --

https://www.thedailybeast.com/liz-cheney-says-ex-republican-vp-dick-cheney-will-vote-for-kamala-harris

I wonder what impact, if any this will have...



<o>

[Rockstar]

As I see it you can't accuse the Dems only. From my memory there has been mass shooting when the Rep was in charge.

Markus

I think you missed the point. We all agree homicides are committed each year regardless who dear leader is. The point he was I think making is that it always seems to be one political party that uses it as an excuse to stir up fear to steal away the right of the law abiding citizens.

There are currently round about 15,700 homicides committed each year using a firearm and one particular party’s solution is to restrict the other 337,000,000 million of us law abiding citizens.

[mapuc]

I think you missed the point. We all agree homicides are committed each year regardless who dear leader is. The point he was I think making is that it always seems to be one political party that uses it as an excuse to stir up fear to steal away the right of the law abiding citizens.

There are currently round about 15,700 homicides committed each year using a firearm and one particular party’s solution is to restrict the other 337,000,000 million of us law abiding citizens.

Oh My mistake then-
Your comment made me recall Platapus signature

Markus

[Rockstar]

Hmm...

....are they ice skating in hades...?...


Dick Cheney says he will vote for Kamala Harris --

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/liz-cheney-dick-cheney-kamala-harris/


Ex-Republican VP Dick Cheney ‘Will Vote for Kamala Harris’ --

https://www.thedailybeast.com/liz-cheney-says-ex-republican-vp-dick-cheney-will-vote-for-kamala-harris

I wonder what impact, if any this will have...



<o>

Of course Cheney is , gotta keep the war machine going you know to force Ukraine to sell off state assets to pay for the fighting. Luckily for Cheney I heard anyone looking for a way of ending the war makes them a Russian asset.

US corporations like ExxonMobil, Chevron, and everyone’s favorite Halliburton are having a feast. There’s not going to be anything of left Ukraine’s sovereignty no matter who wins :)

In September, Zelensky also symbolically opened the New York Stock Exchange, announcing that his country is “open for business”, offering more than $400 billion in “public-private partnerships, privatization, and private ventures” for US companies...

Responding to the Financial Times report, economist Yanis Varoufakis, who previously served as Greece’s minister of finance, tweeted: “And there you have it. EXXON, HALLIBURTON & CHEVRON, after Iraq, are now taking over the Ukrainian oil and gas fields. Planning to introduce large scale fracking – a clear and present threat to poison U’s agriculture”.

https://i.ibb.co/p6TmkyL/IMG-0472.jpg

[Buddahaid]

Don't lay your strawmen arguments on me Bud. I never said that nothing could be done about murder rates, i'm just pointing out that its a fallacy to think that a murderers choice of weapon should make some sort of difference to their victim or anyone else, except for authoritarian minded Democrats who want to use fear of an inanimate object to steal Americans supposedly constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms.

Oh right, sure, Bud. You simply choose to miss the point that firearms are second highest cause of children being killed, and this authoritarian minded Democrat isn't afraid of firearms and owns several.

And since Trump's lawyer calls him President Trump, I'll post today's full unedited oral argument in Trump’s appeal of the E Jean Carroll verdict entered against him. I don't think it's going well for Trump.

https://youtu.be/V-vWabTC2dE?si=sgha57DEyw8kHsl7

[August]

I think you missed the point. We all agree homicides are committed each year regardless who dear leader is. The point he was I think making is that it always seems to be one political party that uses it as an excuse to stir up fear to steal away the right of the law abiding citizens.

That was my point but also....

There are currently round about 15,700 homicides committed each year using a firearm and one particular party’s solution is to restrict the other 337,000,000 million of us law abiding citizens.

.... those 15,700 homicides would still have been committed if all guns were somehow magically eliminated tomorrow. The weapon that was used would just have been something else, a knife, a club, a handy rock, piece of piano wire, a party cup full of gasoline and a match, you name it, there are many ways to kill someone. Attempting to restrict access to one tool will at most only cause the murderer to use another to commit their heinous acts.

If you want to stop it then it's the desire to commit the deed that must be addressed not the tool that was used. Anything less will fail.

[Buddahaid]

Let’s try it and find out. Afraid?

[August]

Let’s try it and find out. Afraid?


You mean strip our people of their constitutionally guaranteed rights? I am not afraid to say hell no.

[Gorpet]

Comrade Elon is a blyat stupid he bought twitter with I get rid of all bots guess what there are so many Russian bots on Twitter that the whole place is FUBAR he destroyed twitter. With Elon, you know for sure where the bus is going to hell he is only here on this earth for our amusement

You do know that Sun Tzu 771–256 BC. Is now being upgraded from 2014 to Today by the Russians. I don't understand why people Quote this ****. Do you not think that every military on this planet hasn't read Sun Tzu. ?

Not really. Some of them like Alina Habba barely qualify and do him no favors by having little experience and screwing up. Others that have good reputations and do have the experience have quit because he doesn't listen to them and is a bad client, and a few, too few, are doing OK but risking being sanctioned by filing repeat motions that the Judge has already ruled on at Trump's bidding.

And to make matters worse, these lawyers are being paid for through campaign donations.

Well the American taxpayers,Are paying for the Bidens.

I think Trump should part company with this guy.

His words won't resonate well with a great many US parents.

Ya know Jim,I think a great many people the UK.Should part company with Heir Starmer, I think his entire Administration will not resonate with a great many across the United Kingdom.

[mapuc]

Meanwhile at a peaceful meeting among GOP supporters

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSBLPyfxwGk

Copy the link(without the url) and paste it into your browser

Description below the video

The Saline County GOP Committee met 9.5.24 at the Benton River Center.
The meeting was supposed deal with helping Republican Candidates and was supposed to other business. Instead, there was an argument regarding the August 26th Special Meeting.
The meeting was adjourned after the fight between Jimme Cavin and Jon Newcomb.
Kandi Cox bumping into Allison Gray precipitated the fight. Jimmie said something to Jon which caused Jon to walk towards Jimmie. Nobody else walked towards anyone before Jimme threw the punch.




Markus

[Gorpet]

All of that doesn’t change the facts that gun violence is the number one cause of death for kids now, and that it’s almost a uniquely US problem. Certainly the US leads the west and is indeed “great again” in this respect.

Gun violence ! If you really want to stop it.Bring back public hangings. And the first should be the,Killers we here in America under the greatest President and Vice President the planet has ever known Yes if we must give our children to the new world of wokesim and the new Ideology of Fluisity and they become killers because they don't know if they are a male or a female .It will evoke love and joy

[AVGWarhawk]

Typical BS excuse remark. Thoughts and prayers but just nothing can be done about it... Total BS!

Plenty can be done. Metal detectors at all school building doors. More armed security on the school grounds. But these are seen as racist. There are claims students of color are targeted by resource officers. Black students don't feel safer with armed security.

So what is your solution Budda? Whatever it may be it will infringe on the 2nd and or be seen as racist.

[mapuc]

Plenty can be done. Metal detectors at all school building doors. More armed security on the school grounds. But these are seen as racist. There are claims students of color are targeted by resource officers. Black students don't feel safer with armed security.

So what is your solution Budda? Whatever it may be it will infringe on the 2nd and or be seen as racist.

One of my pro-Dem wrote on her wall

" It should be forbidden to sell guns to private " I think she mean weapons like the AR-15 or similar.

Don't know but I somehow agree with her. It's a wonder that ordinary American can go into a store and buy a military weapon.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

One of my pro-Dem wrote on her wall

" It should be forbidden to sell guns to private " I think she mean weapons like the AR-15 or similar.

Don't know but I somehow agree with her. It's a wonder that ordinary American can go into a store and buy a military weapon.

Markus

The issue is not AR 15. It's handguns. Why focusing on AR-15 doesn't make sense.

[Otto Harkaman]

We have a government with a country, not a country with a government.

An armed citizen is more dangerous than an armed criminal to the government.

[mapuc]

The issue is not AR 15. It's handguns. Why focusing on AR-15 doesn't make sense.

You're right.

However would a ban on handguns and other weapons prevent killings ?
Thinking on what Dave wrote:
"People will use other things like knife etc."

Markus

[Rockstar]

You're right.

However would a ban on handguns and other weapons prevent killings ?
Thinking on what Dave wrote:
"People will use other things like knife etc."

Markus


Of course it’s not going to stop people from killing one another. Do gun bans prevent murders from happening in Europe? No it doesnt, in fact knives are the preferred weapon of choice. London banned guns yet murder rate still surpassed that of New York City.

Don’t understand this fixation on guns.

Stupid evil people will find a way.

[Buddahaid]

Of course it’s not going to stop people from killing one another. Do gun bans prevent murders from happening in Europe? No it doesnt, in fact knives are the preferred weapon of choice. London banned guns yet murder rate still surpassed that of New York City.

Don’t understand this fixation on guns.

Stupid evil people will find a way.

And yet it’s the good old USA that has the biggest problem with school shootings. Guns obviously are the biggest common denominator and something will get done about as the violence continues. Gun advocates need to be part of the solution.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country

[Dargo]

Of course it’s not going to stop people from killing one another. Do gun bans prevent murders from happening in Europe? No it doesnt, in fact knives are the preferred weapon of choice. London banned guns yet murder rate still surpassed that of New York City.

Don’t understand this fixation on guns.

Stupid evil people will find a way.London's 2023 murder rate was 12.7 per million. https://www.statista.com/statistics/862984/murders-in-london/
New York's 2023 murder rate was 44.9 (8.46 million people with 380 murders). https://abcnews.go.com/US/homicide-numbers-poised-hit-record-decline-nationwide-americans/story?id=105556400

Don’t understand this fixation on how bad Europe is? London's murder rate in 2023 was MUCH lower than New York's!

[Rockstar]

And yet it’s the good old USA that has the biggest problem with school shootings. Guns obviously are the biggest common denominator and something will get done about as the violence continues. Gun advocates need to be part of the solution.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country

But murder isnt continuing, it went from a downward trend of 5 per 100,000 in 2014 back up to 7.8 per 100,000 in 2020 and the current trend is now on the way back down again. Thank a law enforcement officer next time you see one.

If you’re looking for perfection you’ll have to wait for the second coming of Jeebus.

[Buddahaid]

But murder isnt continuing, it went from a downward trend of 5 per 100,000 in 2014 back up to 7.8 per 100,000 in 2020 and the current trend is now on the way back down again. Thank a law enforcement officer next time you see one.

If you’re looking for perfection you’ll have to wait for the second coming of Jeebus.

I don't think Trump is the answer either....:haha:

[Dargo]

Liberals declare that if only we regulated and banned guns like Europe does, there wouldn't be any more gun violence. Conservatives insist that the solution to gun violence is more guns, and just more guns. Both of these narratives fail to take into account inconvenient facts, and in the end, both sides are wrong.

[Rockstar]

I don't think Trump is the answer either....:haha:

I never he said was.

[Buddahaid]

I never he said was.

Sorry, I was joking about how some of Trump’s base think he is Jeebus come back to save us.

[Rockstar]

Sorry, I was joking about how some of Trump’s base think he is Jeebus come back to save us.

What can I say, sometimes Im a little slow on the uptake. :D

[AVGWarhawk]

Sorry, I was joking about how some of Trump’s base think he is Jeebus come back to save us.

The Chosen One is Kamala Harris. All of her base believe it. So much so not a single vote was needed to prove that.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

https://newrepublic.com/post/185668/fbi-document-influencers-russian-disinformation

[Buddahaid]

Here's the indictment if you want to read it for yourselves.
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2024/09/u.s._v._kalashnikov_and_afanasyeva_indictment_0.pd f

[Dargo]

The Russian FSB operation is much broader than some YouTubers working as foreign agents for Russia. The FSB has its foreign agents in US congress and senate.

[mapuc]

The Russian FSB operation is much broader than some YouTubers working as foreign agents for Russia. The FSB has its foreign agents in US congress and senate.

If they know who they are, these politicians in the Congress and Senate, then they should get rid of them. Sue them for treason if needed.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Actually our government is infiltrated by aliens proven by the fact they distract us from the truth about Area 51 and UFO’s. For real.

[mapuc]

Actually our government is infiltrated by aliens proven by the fact they distract us from the truth about Area 51 and UFO’s. For real.

Yep the Grey have taken over the Democrats and the Reptiles has taken over the Republican.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Yep the Grey have taken over the Democrats and the Reptiles has taken over the Republican.

Markus


Nope, the Greys are extraterrestrials bent on colonizing earth they have infiltrated all three branches of government and media. The Reptilians live under ground at Denver International Airport. Look it up it’s for real.

And get this, the Dutch are the ones really in control of it all.

https://i.ibb.co/GRq3hWS/IMG-0433.jpg

[Dargo]

Nope, the Greys are extraterrestrials bent on colonizing earth they have infiltrated all three branches of government and media. The Reptilians live under ground at Denver International Airport. Look it up it’s for real.

And get this, the Dutch are the ones really in control of it all.

https://i.ibb.co/GRq3hWS/IMG-0433.jpgAs Dutch I support this message.

[Dargo]

If they know who they are, these politicians in the Congress and Senate, then they should get rid of them. Sue them for treason if needed.

MarkusAppeals court upholds conviction of GOP operative who steered Russian money to Trump camp (https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/19/trump-russian-money-appeals-court-00153339)

[Rockstar]

When you find yourself endorsed by Dick Cheney and Vladimir Putin, it might be time to re-evaluate your direction.

'Maybe We Took A Wrong Turn Somewhere,' Thinks Party Whose Candidate Just Got Endorsed By Dick Cheney And Vladimir Putin

https://i.ibb.co/yN0b4jn/IMG-0493.jpg

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Insiders within the party that just had its candidate endorsed by Vladimir Putin and Dick Cheney report that its voters are starting to wonder if perhaps they took a wrong turn somewhere.

According to a top-ranking official in the DNC who spoke on condition of anonymity, Kamala's recent endorsements have left insiders a bit unsettled. "I mean, Dick Cheney? Seriously?" said the woman. "I'm really starting to question where we might have gone astray. So far, we have the support of Iran, Hamas, Putin, and Dick Cheney. That is...not a great list."

Democrat strategists are reportedly working around the clock to develop a way to keep the worst people on the planet from announcing their support for Harris. Potential ideas thus far include broadcasting Kamala's cackle in cities five times a day, doing a cringe Tik-Tok dance, or buying more Doritos from truck stops.

"I could handle Putin and Iran, I guess. But, Dick Cheney??" said local Democrat Sandra Denison. "It's time to take a long, hard look in the mirror."

At publishing time, the Democrat party had reportedly asked if anyone named Cheney would please, please reconsider their endorsement.

[vienna]

When you find yourself endorsed by Dick Cheney and Vladimir Putin, it might be time to re-evaluate your direction.

'Maybe We Took A Wrong Turn Somewhere,' Thinks Party Whose Candidate Just Got Endorsed By Dick Cheney And Vladimir Putin

https://i.ibb.co/yN0b4jn/IMG-0493.jpg

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Insiders within the party that just had its candidate endorsed by Vladimir Putin and Dick Cheney report that its voters are starting to wonder if perhaps they took a wrong turn somewhere.

According to a top-ranking official in the DNC who spoke on condition of anonymity, Kamala's recent endorsements have left insiders a bit unsettled. "I mean, Dick Cheney? Seriously?" said the woman. "I'm really starting to question where we might have gone astray. So far, we have the support of Iran, Hamas, Putin, and Dick Cheney. That is...not a great list."

Democrat strategists are reportedly working around the clock to develop a way to keep the worst people on the planet from announcing their support for Harris. Potential ideas thus far include broadcasting Kamala's cackle in cities five times a day, doing a cringe Tik-Tok dance, or buying more Doritos from truck stops.

"I could handle Putin and Iran, I guess. But, Dick Cheney??" said local Democrat Sandra Denison. "It's time to take a long, hard look in the mirror."

At publishing time, the Democrat party had reportedly asked if anyone named Cheney would please, please reconsider their endorsement.


Wow, for someone who rails against 'anonymous sources' and questionable sites, you sure stuffed your foot in your mouth...

Not only did you not provide a like to your cite, conveniently 'forgetting' is my guess :03:, you got your 'info' from a site that openly acknowledges that it publishes fake news articles; you're slipping in your dotage...


here's where he got his 'news' from:


'Maybe We Took A Wrong Turn Somewhere,' Thinks Party Whose Candidate Just Got Endorsed By Dick Cheney And Vladimir Putin --

https://babylonbee.com/news/maybe-we-went-wrong-somewhere-thinks-party-whose-candidate-just-got-endorsed-by-dick-cheney-and-vladimir-putin


Nice try slipping a fake news article past the forum; not even a close, so no cigar...




<O>

[Skybird]

https://youtu.be/RbYxQoxT0W4?si=pHrp-pIDVg-0QYKX

[Rockstar]

Wow, for someone who rails against 'anonymous sources' and questionable sites, you sure stuffed your foot in your mouth...

Not only did you not provide a like to your cite, conveniently 'forgetting' is my guess :03:, you got your 'info' from a site that openly acknowledges that it publishes fake news articles; you're slipping in your dotage...


here's where he got his 'news' from:


'Maybe We Took A Wrong Turn Somewhere,' Thinks Party Whose Candidate Just Got Endorsed By Dick Cheney And Vladimir Putin --

https://babylonbee.com/news/maybe-we-went-wrong-somewhere-thinks-party-whose-candidate-just-got-endorsed-by-dick-cheney-and-vladimir-putin


Nice try slipping a fake news article past the forum; not even a close, so no cigar...




<O>

Made ya look. :D ;)

[August]

Made ya look. :D ;)


Well I knew it was a joke without looking, but as we all know Democrats wouldn't recognize a joke if it bit them on the ass.

[Rockstar]

Well I knew it was a joke without looking, but as we all know Democrats wouldn't recognize a joke if it bit them on the ass.

Ya but I gotta admit I think their satire hits closer to reality and they don’t even pretend to be investigative journalists..

[Rockstar]

It’s better than anything the NYT could produce that’s for sure.


Harris Campaign Admits Tim Walz Was The Only Candidate That Answered Their Craigslist Ad
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Sep 7, 2024 · BabylonBee.com


WASHINGTON, D.C. — Sources within the Harris campaign have recently admitted under condition of anonymity that Tim Walz was only chosen as Kamala's running mate because he was the only candidate who answered the Craigslist ad.

Harris reportedly posted two days before Biden peacefully and voluntarily stepped out of the race. The ad, which was strangely brief, specified that Kamala was looking for a "joyful presidential partner" who loves killing babies, was not Jewish, and would change everything they believed to adopt all of President Trump's policies.

"We waited and waited," said one anonymous Harris staffer, "But no one would answer our ad. Things were getting down to the wire — heads were about to roll — when up rolled Tim Walz. His application mentioned experience stoking race riots and transing kids, but good grief was he a psycho in the interview. He wouldn't stop doing cartwheels and making outrageous claims, like that he was first man in space. Truth is, we had no other option."

At publishing time, the Harris campaign had admitted that Josh Shapiro had also sent a response to their ad, but they had thrown it out as soon as they saw his last name.

[Jimbuna]

London's 2023 murder rate was 12.7 per million. https://www.statista.com/statistics/862984/murders-in-london/
New York's 2023 murder rate was 44.9 (8.46 million people with 380 murders). https://abcnews.go.com/US/homicide-numbers-poised-hit-record-decline-nationwide-americans/story?id=105556400

Don’t understand this fixation on how bad Europe is? London's murder rate in 2023 was MUCH lower than New York's!

The word Anglophobe springs to mind.

[Rockstar]

The word Anglophobe springs to mind.

Of course it would. :roll:

Crime comparison between London and New York. No phobia just pointing out the fact that Europe is nothing special and just as big of craphole as the rest of the world.

August/September numbers.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=London&country2=United+States&city2=New+York%2C+NY

[Buddahaid]

Well I knew it was a joke without looking, but as we all know Democrats wouldn't recognize a joke if it bit them on the ass.

Here's a joke.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.d_mZiVKB0pU4cXjkacq7VQHaEK?w=321&h=181&c=7&r=0&o=5&pid=1.7

[mapuc]

(Tried to find it on YT)

In a video clip on Danish news earlier today Trump was saying, in one of his rallies that USA is lead by stupid people, they were morons and he was the savior.

He have high hope for himself I must say.

Markus

[ET2SN]

I just watched a pretty good Sunday discussion vid. :up:

Not the (now) standard sniping of this thread, just a good discussion of what the next administration will have to deal with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b_Qo4OPe6E

[Rockstar]

I just watched a pretty good Sunday discussion vid. :up:

Not the (now) standard sniping of this thread, just a good discussion of what the next administration will have to deal with…


When are going to get to hear from Harris’s own mouth what her foreign policy is? There are all sort of preconceived notions out there. When’s the debate?

[ET2SN]

I'll call my handlers in the secret bunker under the pizzeria and find out. :yeah:

[Jimbuna]

I'll call my handlers in the secret bunker under the pizzeria and find out. :yeah:

:haha:

[Skybird]

https://i.postimg.cc/Gtm5s3kT/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Rockstar]

https://i.postimg.cc/Gtm5s3kT/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)

And how many children are dying because of ANOTHER war in Europe? How many children have died and suffered birth defects that we all directly contributed to just so we can live with our modern conveniences?

2022 stats shows an estimated 710 children 11 years or younger and 1,010 aged 11 to 17 were murdered in the U.S. and as sad as it sounds. It doesnt even come close to what’s going on Europe right now or in the cobalt mines so you can have your EV’s and computers

[Rockstar]

I'll call my handlers in the secret bunker under the pizzeria and find out. :yeah:

You could have just wrote 9pm EST 10 September 2024. That would have actually been informative.

[VipertheSniper]

And how many children are dying because of ANOTHER war in Europe? How many children have died and suffered birth defects that we all directly contributed to just so we can live with our modern conveniences?

2022 stats shows an estimated 720 children 11 years or younger and 1,010 aged 11 to 17 were murdered in the U.S. as sad as it sounds. It doesnt even come close to what’s going on Europe right now or in the cobalt mines so you can have your EV’s and computers

You're comparing children dying in a country at war, to 1730 children dying to gun violence in peacetime...? the comparison limps so much might as well get it a wheelchair.
More guns hasn't solved that problem yet now has it? I know the right to bear arms is codified in your Bill of rights, but maybe it's time to take a close look at that and amend that amendment, so it's not a fact of life to hate, also a fact of life IMHO is something you can't change no matter what you do, the 2nd Amendment is no such thing, even if it'd take a massive effort to change it. When will enough children have died to guns in the US in a single year, that this point is reached to do something, anything, instead of nothing, shrug of the shoulders and moving on?

[Rockstar]

You're comparing children dying in a country at war, to 1730 children dying to gun violence in peacetime...? the comparison limps so much might as well get it a wheelchair.
More guns hasn't solved that problem yet now has it? I know the right to bear arms is codified in your Bill of rights, but maybe it's time to take a close look at that and amend that amendment, so it's not a fact of life to hate, also a fact of life IMHO is something you can't change no matter what you do, the 2nd Amendment is no such thing, even if it'd take a massive effort to change it. When will enough children have died to guns in the US in a single year, that this point is reached to do something, anything, instead of nothing, shrug of the shoulders and moving on?


You have another war in Europe 100,000 of thousands dying. You pull the trigger on a child every time you buy some new modern electronic convenience. And you accuse me of shrugging my shoulders and derp on about the 2nd amendment and how casualties of war is different? What an utterly twisted line of reasoning, it’s different all right it’s far worse than anything imaginable. Like I said Europe is nothing special it’s just as big a crap hole as the rest of the world we live in, if not worse.. You’re just afraid to come off your high horse and admit it.

[mapuc]

A lot of promises

TRUMP: “I will bring back Free Speech in America.. I will sign an executive order banning any federal employee from colluding to limit speech, and we will fire every federal bureaucrat who is engaged in domestic censorship under the Harris regime”


https://x.com/alx/status/1832786512422764937

Markus

[mapuc]

You have another war in Europe 100,000 of thousands dying. You pull the trigger on a child every time you buy some new modern electronic convenience. And you accuse me of shrugging my shoulders and derp on about the 2nd amendment and how casualties of war is different? What an utterly twisted line of reasoning, it’s different all right it’s far worse than anything imaginable. Like I said Europe is nothing special it’s just as big a crap hole as the rest of the world we live in, if not worse.. You’re just afraid to come off your high horse and admit it.

Have to agree with Rockstar here-We the European shouldn't throw stones when we are sitting in a glashouse.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Thing is we already have free speech.

IMO If government asks the owner of a private platform to cooperate and the owner complies that’s on the owner.

Now if government starts making laws demanding owners comply then I think we would have problem.

[VipertheSniper]

You have another war in Europe 100,000 of thousands dying. You pull the trigger on a child every time you buy some new modern electronic convenience. And you accuse me of shrugging my shoulders and derp on about the 2nd amendment and how casualties of war is different? What an utterly twisted line of reasoning, it’s different all right it’s far worse than anything imaginable. Like I said Europe is nothing special it’s just as big a crap hole as the rest of the world we live in, if not worse.. You’re just afraid to come off your high horse and admit it.

I'm saying casualties to guns in peacetime are probably avoidable or could at least be much reduced if there was a will to do something about it.

[Skybird]

And how many children are dying because of ANOTHER war in Europe?
If you wanted to express that you are fighting a war inside your own country currently, a civil war against children so to speak - yes, that thought came to my mind, too. :03:

Get back to your senses.

[Buddahaid]

And how many children are dying because of ANOTHER war in Europe? How many children have died and suffered birth defects that we all directly contributed to just so we can live with our modern conveniences?

2022 stats shows an estimated 710 children 11 years or younger and 1,010 aged 11 to 17 were murdered in the U.S. and as sad as it sounds. It doesnt even come close to what’s going on Europe right now or in the cobalt mines so you can have your EV’s and computers

And that still doesn’t make it acceptable. Nothing anywhere else and no whataboutism makes it so. The gun lobby has to be part of a solution.

[Skybird]

https://youtube.com/shorts/k-ICQ3sn2X4?si=K5yj8Pfb96qDrkVa

[Rockstar]

If you wanted to express that you are fighting a war inside your own country currently, a civil war against children so to speak - yes, that thought came to my mind, too. :03:

Get back to your senses.

Oh christ it’s a U.S. civil war on children now, where do you come up with that stuff while ignoring everything else around you.

The highest risk is from parents, gangs and acquaintances which account for the majority of those death's.

Neither you or I can fix stupid evil people.

[Rockstar]

And that still doesn’t make it acceptable. Nothing anywhere else and no whataboutism makes it so. The gun lobby has to be part of a solution.

The gun lobby? catchy political slogan, what exactly does it mean who the hell are they and who put them in charge? I own several firearms and never once thought to check with a gun lobby.

How about making the drug lobby, the single parent family lobby, the no parent lobby, the gang bangers lobby, the economy lobby, the LGBTQ transitioning lobby, the crime lobby, the defund the police lobby, the housing lobby, the drug traffickers lobby, the jobs lobby, the media lobby, the education lobby, and the psychiatric lobby since 1 out of 10 American’s over age 12 are on drugs that cause violent suicidal thoughts and behavior part of the solution. I don’t know any of them either but seems like they have more sway than I and other gun owners would.

Does owning a firearm make us apart of that lobby, how does that work?

We could send all our children to Eastern Europe or dig cobalt in Africa with a lifetime supply of anti-depressants from some pharmaceutical company, they’d be safe there.

[Skybird]

Oh christ it’s a U.S. civil war on children now, where do you come up with that stuff while ignoring everything else around you.

If you wanted to express that you are fighting a war inside your own country currently, a civil war against children so to speak - yes, that thought came to my mind, too. :03:

"Laconic" (ancient Greek λακωνικός lakōnikos, Latin laconicus) refers to a concise but accurate, dry, unadorned form of expression. Derived from this is laconicism, “[the] linguistic form of meaningful sobriety”.

[mapuc]

Could this be a reason to why this 14 years old shot and killed 4 person and wounded 9 at his school ?

Colt Gray, the baby-face Georgia school shooting suspect who is charged with murdering two classmates and two teachers, grew up in a broken and neglectful home, which police and child services visited on a regular basis, a former neighbor and landlord tell The Post.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/05/us-news/georgia-school-shooting-suspect-colt-grays-broken-family/

He has to take his time for the crime he committed.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

The gun lobby? catchy political slogan, what exactly does it mean who the hell are they and who put them in charge? I own several firearms and never once thought to check with a gun lobby.

How about making the drug lobby, the single parent family lobby, the no parent lobby, the gang bangers lobby, the economy lobby, the LGBTQ transitioning lobby, the crime lobby, the defund the police lobby, the housing lobby, the drug traffickers lobby, the jobs lobby, the media lobby, the education lobby, and the psychiatric lobby since 1 out of 10 American’s over age 12 are on drugs that cause violent suicidal thoughts and behavior part of the solution. I don’t know any of them either but seems like they have more sway than I and other gun owners would.

Does owning a firearm make us apart of that lobby, how does that work?

We could send all our children to Eastern Europe or dig cobalt in Africa with a lifetime supply of anti-depressants from some pharmaceutical company, they’d be safe there.

You still can't admit it's unacceptable. Any excuse, any diversion, any other reason but the common denominator of guns and that's makes you part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

[Rockstar]

You still can't admit it's unacceptable. Any excuse, any diversion, any other reason but the common denominator of guns and that's makes you part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

And you can’t stop riding around in circles on that one trick pony.

[mapuc]

Can't you or won't you solve the problems with your firearms ?

Markus

[Rockstar]

Can't you or won't you solve the problems with your firearms ?

Markus

Really? How many times must I say it, firearms are not the problem. Human nature the few evil, stupid people that inhabit this planet are.

People knew exactly what was going on in that evil stupid kids head BEFORE he killed. There were signs, bells, whistles, sirens going off that should have alerted people close to him that something was amiss. They failed to act. They chose to do nothing and in fact the one idiot who should have known better gave him the damn rifle. What in hell is wrong with people?

What happened didn’t have jack squat to do with a civil war on children, lobbies, the rifle, 2nd amendment, me, you or anyone here.

[Buddahaid]

Really? How many times must I say it, firearms are not the problem. Human nature the few evil, stupid people that inhabit this planet are.

People knew exactly what was going on in that evil stupid kids head BEFORE he killed. There were signs, bells, whistles, sirens going off that should have alerted people close to him that something was amiss. They failed to act. They chose to do nothing and in fact the one idiot who should have known better gave him the damn rifle. What in hell is wrong with people?

What happened didn’t have jack squat to do with a civil war on children, lobbies, the rifle, 2nd amendment, me, you or anyone here.

The truth is one kid getting killed by a gun in school is too many, and if there were no guns, no kids would be killed in school by guns.

Speculating about how many kids would get killed by other weapons is just that, speculation. No one has a crystal ball there and I'm pretty certain the police would have ended the killing at Uvalde much sooner if the killer had a blade weapon.

Guns are part of the problem in school shootings by definition.

[Rockstar]

The truth is one kid getting killed by a gun in school is too many, and if there were no guns, no kids would be killed in school by guns.

Dont start laying claim to truth like some religious leader. I have a gun and no kid in school will ever be harmed by it.

Speculating about how many kids would get killed by other weapons is just that, speculation. No one has a crystal ball there and I'm pretty certain the police would have ended the killing at Uvalde much sooner if the killer had a blade weapon.

Accuses people of speculating. Then speculates what might have happened if …

Guns are part of the problem in school shootings by definition.

If guns are part of the problem, then why haven’t mine or yours jumped out of the safe and gone on a shooting spree? The idiot father who gave him the rifle and the idiot kid wielding it was the problem. And to give you a friendly heads-up there is nothing you can say that will change my opinion about that. Feel free to respond but I’m done

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile in other news...more bollocks but this time from from the Daily Fail.

Putin ally predicts US will collapse in 'imminent civil war'

A close ally of Vladimir Putin has predicted America will collapse in an 'imminent new civil war' amid the presidential election chaos in his latest social media rant. Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council and former prime minister of Russia, believes that US will keep its sanctions against the Kremlin in place 'forever' or until a civil war brings the country to ruins.

Medvedev, in a Telegram message Saturday, offered his thoughts on the US presidential election, branding Democrat nominee Kamala Harris as 'inexperienced' and 'just plain stupid', and Republican rival Donald Trump an 'eccentric narcissist' and 'pragmatist'. He argued that although Trump 'understands that sanctions harm the dollar's dominance in the world' and has 'threatened to lift' them, he will not actually do so because it is an 'insufficient reason to stage a revolution' in an anti-Russia America.

He further alleged that Harris, who Putin has endorsed, will continue to deliver 'beautiful, meaningless speeches' during which she will 'read off a teleprompter while laughing contagiously'. Russian leaders, apparently angered by the sanctions that were imposed on the nation after its invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, have routinely touted the narrative of another civil war. Medvedev even previously alleged parallels between the current political climate and that of Abraham Lincoln's presidency.

The US has gradually increased its sanctions on Russia. President Joe Biden issued an executive order in December that would allow the US to directly sanction foreign banks that facilitate transactions for Russia . But Biden dropped out of the White House race in July and endorsed his vice president for the job. Putin last week also threw his support behind Harris.

'For all his apparent bravado as an 'outsider', Trump is ultimately an establishment insider. Yes, he is an eccentric narcissist, but he is also a pragmatist.' Medvedev claimed that as a 'businessman' Trump is aware of the financial impacts that the sanctions have on the US dollar, but argues he still will not go against DC. 'Trump understands that sanctions harm the dollar's dominance in the world. However, that's insufficient reason to stage a revolution in the United States and go against the anti-Russian line of the notorious Deep State, which is much stronger than any Trump,' he said, before taking aim at Harris.

'But what about Harris? You shouldn't expect any surprises from her. She is inexperienced and, according to her enemies, just plain stupid. Beautiful meaningless speeches and boring 'correct' answers to questions will be prepared for her, which she will read off a teleprompter while laughing contagiously.' Medvedev, then suggesting yet again that America was on the brink of destruction, concluded: 'There were sanctions against the USSR throughout the 20th century, and they've returned on an unprecedented scale in the 21st.

'So, it's sanctions forever. Or rather, until the US collapses during an imminent new civil war. After all, Hollywood makes films about this for a reason.' Trump's spokesperson Steven Cheung, in a statement to Newsweek , responded to Medvedev's comments, claiming that 'Putin has endorsed Kamala Harris because he knows she will be a pushover for Russia'. DailyMail.com has approached the White House and Trump campaign for comment.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-ally-predicts-us-will-collapse-in-imminent-civil-war/ss-AA1qg5a6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=d9980ccd14ad41f1bc7a62780e8a7bee&ei=10#image=1

[Rockstar]

Meanwhile in other news...more bollocks but this time from from the Daily Fail.

We’ve already hashed out the fact there is no U.S. civil war in the making several pages back on this thread. In fact the only people here that were parroting Putin’s U.S. civil war rhetoric were you Europeans. I would suggest moving this Eurotrash article to the E.U. thread or make a new European news thread because #1 it’s directed at European readers and obviously matters more to you than it does to us. #2 nobody in the U.S. knows of it unless from a drive-by spam poster, and it has nothing to do with our politics or what Americans are currently discussing here.

[AVGWarhawk]

The truth is one kid getting killed by a gun in school is too many, and if there were no guns, no kids would be killed in school by guns.

Speculating about how many kids would get killed by other weapons is just that, speculation. No one has a crystal ball there and I'm pretty certain the police would have ended the killing at Uvalde much sooner if the killer had a blade weapon.

Guns are part of the problem in school shootings by definition.

You forgotten another part of the equation. Parents that are stupid and permit their kids access to guns or getting said kid a weapon of their own. Second, parents that willfully not part of their kids daily life. Permitting cellphones to be their guide. Permitting too much "privacy" in their kids lives where invading said "privacy" would/could prevent school shootings as well as many other things kids should not be doing. It is time parents accept responsibility and also suffer the consequences.

[mapuc]

We’ve already hashed out the fact there is no U.S. civil war in the making several pages back on this thread. In fact the only people here that were parroting Putin’s U.S. civil war rhetoric were you Europeans. I would suggest moving this Eurotrash article to the E.U. thread or make a new European news thread because #1 it’s directed at European readers and obviously matters more to you than it does to us. #2 nobody in the U.S. knows of it unless from a drive-by post, and it has nothing to do with our politics.

After reading your comment I thought what does the American have to say about this: "is a civil war in america likely"

And I found this article from 2019.

I wouldn’t identify this most recent development [the demanding of documents] as the “beginning of a civil war” since I’m not sure that reflects anything other than the political divide we’ve already witnessed for the last several years and the fact that Democrats are taking steps they could not have taken before they regained control of the House.

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/are-we-headed-for-another-civil-war/

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The truth is one kid getting killed by a gun in school is too many, and if there were no guns, no kids would be killed in school by guns.

Speculating about how many kids would get killed by other weapons is just that, speculation. No one has a crystal ball there and I'm pretty certain the police would have ended the killing at Uvalde much sooner if the killer had a blade weapon.

Guns are part of the problem in school shootings by definition.

You forgotten another part of the equation. Parents that are stupid and permit their kids access to guns or getting said kid a weapon of their own. Second, parents that willfully not part of their kids daily life. Permitting cellphones to be their guide. Permitting too much "privacy" in their kids lives where invading said "privacy" would/could prevent school shootings as well as many other things kids should not be doing. It is time parents accept responsibility and also suffer the consequences.

There is much merit in what you've both posted but it still begs the question of what is the workable answer/solution or does one actually even exist :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

You forgotten another part of the equation. Parents that are stupid and permit their kids access to guns or getting said kid a weapon of their own. Second, parents that willfully not part of their kids daily life. Permitting cellphones to be their guide. Permitting too much "privacy" in their kids lives where invading said "privacy" would/could prevent school shootings as well as many other things kids should not be doing. It is time parents accept responsibility and also suffer the consequences.

The shunning personal responsibility has been a problem since the time of creation.

Eve: have this apple we were told not to eat
Adam: mmm tasty apple
God: why did you eat the apple ?!
Adam: it’s not my fault, she gave it to me!

[AVGWarhawk]

Meanwhile in other news...more bollocks but this time from from the Daily Fail.

I really do not see civil war in the countries future. How would it play out anyway? There is no defining line as the a line like the Civil War(North vs South). Abolishing slavery. Is this war going to abolish democrats or republicans? Maybe abolish the media like CNN, FOX and MSNBC that has a greater hand in the division the country is experiencing.

[AVGWarhawk]

There is much merit in what you've both posted but it still begs the question of what is the workable answer/solution or does one actually even exist :hmmm:

We will see. The father has been arrested with his son as a result of the school shooting.

[AVGWarhawk]

The lack of personal responsibility has been a problem since the time of creation.

Eve: have this apple we were told not to eat
Adam: mmm tasty apple
God: why did you eat the apple ?!
Adam: it’s not my fault, she gave it to me!

Back in my teen years and as well as today, if you kid host a banger of a party at his/her parents home the parents are ultimately responsible. Specifically if one drives home drunk and kills themselves in an accident or others who are innocent bystanders. Bars are held responsible for their patrons as well. This should ring true for weapons in the home.

[Jimbuna]

I really do not see civil war in the countries future. How would it play out anyway? There is no defining line as the a line like the Civil War(North vs South). Abolishing slavery. Is this war going to abolish democrats or republicans? Maybe abolish the media like CNN, FOX and MSNBC that has a greater hand in the division the country is experiencing.

Appreciate the civil response Chris :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Back in my teen years and as well as today, if you kid host a banger of a party at his/her parents home the parents are ultimately responsible. Specifically if one drives home drunk and kills themselves in an accident or others who are innocent bystanders. Bars are held responsible for their patrons as well. This should ring true for weapons in the home.

Didn't know re the bars responsibility in your country.

Crikey, when I think back on the number of drunks I've dealt with over the years, many of which were well known at which bars they frequented, my nick would have needed a cell block extension built to accommodate the additional numbers :doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

Didn't know re the bars responsibility in your country.

Crikey, when I think back on the number of drunks I've dealt with over the years, many of which were well known at which bars they frequented, my nick would have needed a cell block extension built to accommodate the additional numbers :doh:

Laws that prohibit providing alcohol to minors often apply to licensed alcohol establishments and private parties. In other words, bartenders, servers, store clerks, and private parties can all be charged under these laws.

In many states, selling or furnishing alcohol to a visibly or obviously intoxicated person is a crime. Generally, these laws target establishments and workers at establishments that are licensed to sell alcohol.

Underage drinking laws prohibit furnishing alcohol to anyone younger than 21. These laws apply to liquor store clerks, bartenders, the 21-year-old friend, and, in many states, parents. While some states allow underage drinking supervised by one's parents, these exemptions from criminal liability come with a host of restrictions. Parents may end up facing criminal and civil liability for their actions, as well as the actions of their intoxicated child.

[Jimbuna]

Laws that prohibit providing alcohol to minors often apply to licensed alcohol establishments and private parties. In other words, bartenders, servers, store clerks, and private parties can all be charged under these laws.

In many states, selling or furnishing alcohol to a visibly or obviously intoxicated person is a crime. Generally, these laws target establishments and workers at establishments that are licensed to sell alcohol.

Underage drinking laws prohibit furnishing alcohol to anyone younger than 21. These laws apply to liquor store clerks, bartenders, the 21-year-old friend, and, in many states, parents. While some states allow underage drinking supervised by one's parents, these exemptions from criminal liability come with a host of restrictions. Parents may end up facing criminal and civil liability for their actions, as well as the actions of their intoxicated child.

Yes I understand the rules regarding minors, they are similar here in the UK....what I was referring to was the selling of alcohol to adults and the consequences thereafter.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes I understand the rules regarding minors, they are similar here in the UK....what I was referring to was the selling of alcohol to adults and the consequences thereafter.

Same rules apply to adults. Bar/bartender are responsible.

[Jimbuna]

Same rules apply to adults. Bar/bartender are responsible.

Fair enough :yep:

[mapuc]

Look we have people groups that write about fringe what if ideas just like every other country in the world. If you took the time to look you could find all sorts of things about race wars, civil wars and other scary impending apocalyptic doom just around the corner waiting to hapoen.

Though not until recently has it ever entered mainstream discussions that I’m aware of. Last time I remember ever talking about a U.S. civil war was in high school history class some 50 years ago or so. Now it’s everyday from main stream European sourced spam posts about Putin & civil war.

Over here Im asking myself how the hell did all this talk of civil war suddenly pop up on the U.S. politics thread? I check past posts on this thread and guess what I find?

You're right. You want hear a word about civil war in US from me from now on.

What comes closest is riots around USA if Trump should lose the election.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

You're right. You want hear a word about civil war in US from me from now on.

What comes closest is riots around USA if Trump should lose the election.

Markus

I don't believe there will be riots either. At least not another like Jan 6th. This time the National Guard will be there in force.

[Rockstar]

You're right. You want hear a word about civil war in US from me from now on.

What comes closest is riots around USA if Trump should lose the election.

Markus

It doesn’t even come close to being likened to civil war. It’s utter nonsense only ones talking about civil war are you, Putin, British tabloid news and Jimbuna

People have every right to gather & speak PEACEABLY. Every losing political party has publicly piss and moaned about presidential election results in one form or fashion.

However if you behave in a violent or uncontrolled manner you get arrested, possibly released on bond, show up for a court date, have the opportunity to defend yourself, and maybe either get released, pay a fine or go to jail. Simple as that.

[AVGWarhawk]

However if you behave in a violent or uncontrolled manner you go to jail, simple as that.

Harris will help collect bail money. :doh: Unless it is a MAGA. :har:

[Rockstar]

Harris will help collect bail money. :doh: Unless it is a MAGA. :har:

Hell, I’d be happy to collect the bail money, I don’t care what political party they belong too. :)

[mapuc]

It doesn’t even come close to being likened to civil war. It’s utter nonsense only ones talking about civil war are you, Putin, British tabloid news and Jimbuna

People have every right to gather & speak PEACEABLY. Every losing political party has publicly piss and moaned about presidential election results in one form or fashion.

However if you behave in a violent or uncontrolled manner you get arrested, possibly released on bond, show up for a court date, have the opportunity to defend yourself, and maybe either get released, pay a fine or go to jail. Simple as that.

I can only refer to what it has been written in the papers that if Trump should lose there's a chance for huge demonstration and even fear of Riots. Even Trump himself has given an apocalyptic forecast if he should lose

bloodbath. The end of democracy. Riots in the streets. Bedlam in the country. Donald Trump has made apocalyptic imagery a defining feature of his presidential election campaign, warning supporters that if he does not win – and avoid criminal prosecution – the US will enter its death throes

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/23/donald-trump-political-violence-fears-us-election

(Yes the newspaper is British, but the person quoted is Trump)

Here's another article Even here they quote Trump

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said during his speech. However, his lawyers argued his words were not a call for actual violence and have pointed to the part in Trump's speech where he says that his supporters will "peacefully and patriotically" protest on Capitol Hill.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-plans-loses-2024-election-1896633

This is why wrote closest you will come is riots in the street
or if lucky only demonstrations.

Markus

[Dargo]

I do not see it Trump can say/try anything, but those who organized last riot are in jail, so there are no leaders for a riot and do not think anyone will try anything big after Trumps betrayal of we go to ... and take it, but he buggered off to his safehouse and left them rot. A true leader stands next you in the fight. You need several conditions for this, and the important one is missing "mass".

[mapuc]

I do not see it Trump can say/try anything, but those who organized last riot are in jail, so there are no leaders for a riot and do not think anyone will try anything big after Trumps betrayal of we go to ... and take it, but he buggered off to his safehouse and left them rot. A true leader stands next you in the fight. You need several conditions for this, and the important one is missing "mass".

You could be right from what i know. Trump will accept his defeat in a good manor if he lose. It's more his followers the MAGA I can't make a prediction for-Some of them will hit the street and they will be angry-This I'm pretty sure of.

Or we have to see what happens the days after 5th of Nov-2024.

Markus

[Dargo]

You could be right from what i know. Trump will accept his defeat in a good manor if he lose. It's more his followers the MAGA I can't make a prediction for-Some of them will hit the street and they will be angry-This I'm pretty sure of.

Or we have to see what happens the days after 5th of Nov-2024.

MarkusThe January 6 Capitol attack could only happen because far-right, neo-fascist militant and hate groups like the Proud Boys organized it MAGA followers were only meat and ocean to hide within. Do not see a build up to this kinda event on the moment January 6 did not happen in a day, it takes months to organize this coup.

[Jimbuna]

And the next one on the list is....

Word is getting round and it would appear there are more jumping on the bandwagon.

White Stripes sue Donald Trump for ‘flagrant misappropriation’ of their song ‘Seven Nation Army’

The White Stripes are suing Donald Trump for using their song, “Seven Nation Army” after it was included in a campaign video as part of his bid for the US presidency.

The well-known opening riff was included in footage of the former president boarding a private jet on the campaign trail last week. It was posted by a member of his staff on X/Twitter – it has since been deleted. The band were incensed by its use and singer Jack White promised to take the matter to court, at the time.

Now, it appears the band have made good on that threat as White shared the first page of a lawsuit to his Instagram page on Monday (9 September). He captioned the post: “This machine sues fascists”.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/white-stripes-sue-donald-trump-for-flagrant-misappropriation-of-their-song-seven-nation-army/ar-AA1qjaNB?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=39d8c966f74f4f7d8ed70ec4a443660a&ei=21

[AVGWarhawk]

And the next one on the list is....

Word is getting round and it would appear there are more jumping on the bandwagon.

Guess White Strips is out of money. The artists are playing the hate game. That's fine. I do not need to listen to their music. However, Elton John is not playing the hate game. I have and will continue ot enjoy his music because he is not jumping on the bandwagon of hate. Go Rocket Man!

[AVGWarhawk]

The January 6 Capitol attack could only happen because far-right, neo-fascist militant and hate groups like the Proud Boys organized it MAGA followers were only meat and ocean to hide within. Do not see a build up to this kinda event on the moment January 6 did not happen in a day, it takes months to organize this coup.

My friend was there. He confirmed what you have stated here.

[August]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r_xc09q9vo

[Jimbuna]

Guess White Strips is out of money. The artists are playing the hate game. That's fine. I do not need to listen to their music. However, Elton John is not playing the hate game. I have and will continue ot enjoy his music because he is not jumping on the bandwagon of hate. Go Rocket Man!

Yep, I reckon there could be a few scores to settle, depending on the eventual outcome of course.

[Otto Harkaman]

The January 6 Capitol attack could only happen because far-right, neo-fascist militant and hate groups like the Proud Boys organized it MAGA followers were only meat and ocean to hide within. Do not see a build up to this kinda event on the moment January 6 did not happen in a day, it takes months to organize this coup.

Following the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot, it was revealed through court proceedings and news reports that multiple FBI informants had infiltrated the Proud Boys. Some key points include:


FBI Informants in Proud Boys Leadership: Several members of the Proud Boys, including prominent figures, were later identified as FBI informants. For example, Enrique Tarrio, the national chairman of the Proud Boys, was revealed to have been an informant for federal and local law enforcement before the January 6 event. Tarrio reportedly provided information on various groups, although he has denied being an informant during the Capitol riot.
Ongoing Cooperation with Law Enforcement: Reports emerged indicating that multiple members of the Proud Boys were working with the FBI and providing details about the group's activities. This cooperation was known to have started before January 6 and extended afterward. The information collected by these informants was used to aid in investigations related to the Capitol attack and to monitor other extremist activities.
Court Testimonies and Legal Proceedings: During trials of Proud Boys members involved in the Capitol attack, it was revealed through court documents that informants had provided significant intelligence leading up to the events. This included information about plans, communications, and strategies discussed among members. However, defense attorneys have argued that some of these informants were not privy to the full scope of actions being planned for January 6, and their intelligence was not used to prevent the violence.

The existence of FBI informants within the Proud Boys indicates the use of such individuals to gain insight into the activities of extremist groups. There has been significant public interest in how much information federal agencies had before January 6 and whether they acted effectively based on that intelligence.

The January 6 Capitol attack could only happen because far-right, neo-fascist militant and hate groups like the Proud Boys organized it MAGA followers were only meat and ocean to hide within. Do not see a build up to this kinda event on the moment January 6 did not happen in a day, it takes months to organize this coup.

Where is the DNC bomber :|\\

The case of the DNC (Democratic National Committee) bomber from January 6, 2021, remains unsolved. On the night before the Capitol riot, January 5, 2021, an unidentified person placed two pipe bombs near the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee in Washington, D.C. The bombs were discovered on January 6, just before the riot, and successfully defused by law enforcement. Here are key details:
Timeline and Discovery



The pipe bombs were placed at the DNC and RNC buildings on the evening of January 5, 2021, between 7:30 and 8:30 p.m., according to surveillance footage released by the FBI.
On January 6, shortly before the Capitol riot began, law enforcement was alerted to the presence of the bombs. The RNC bomb was discovered around 12:45 p.m., and the DNC bomb was found shortly after, around 1:15 p.m. Both bombs were defused without causing injury.

Surveillance Footage and Suspect Description



The FBI released surveillance footage showing a person wearing a hoodie, gloves, and a face mask walking through the area and placing the bombs.
The individual carried a backpack that seemed to contain the bombs and wore distinctive footwear: Nike Air Max Speed Turf shoes with a yellow logo.
Despite widespread sharing of the suspect's image and significant public interest, the bomberÂ’s identity remains unknown.

Investigation and Theories



The FBI has been leading the investigation, offering a $500,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the suspect. However, as of now, the individual has not been caught.
Some investigators have suggested that the bombs were potentially intended as a distraction for law enforcement on January 6. If they had detonated, they could have diverted security and police resources away from the Capitol, where the riot was escalating.
However, the devices were not set to detonate immediately and were discovered hours before the peak of the Capitol violence, so it's unclear how much of a role, if any, they played in the overall events of January 6.

The mystery of the DNC and RNC bomber has continued to intrigue investigators, the public, and commentators, but so far, no significant breakthroughs have been publicly reported.

The January 6 Capitol attack could only happen because far-right, neo-fascist militant and hate groups like the Proud Boys organized it MAGA followers were only meat and ocean to hide within. Do not see a build up to this kinda event on the moment January 6 did not happen in a day, it takes months to organize this coup.

Who is Ray Epps?
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/cpsprodpb/10CED/production/_130354886_rayepps1.jpg.webp

https://youtu.be/nAsvV92t5GA?si=qo5GO0d0Yz_yNWTx

[mapuc]

Ok you were right-There will not be any riots not even demonstration among the Trump supporters if he lose.

Only person who will demonstrate and it will be in a childish manner is the person himself. claim there has been voter fraud and it's unfair.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Who is Ray Epps?



Another question regarding Dargos claim. what the heck is a far right fascist? You can be one or the other but not both. Yes I know Wikipedia lists fascists as far right wing. But fascism is a socialist state something the right wing of political spectrum is notoriously against. As Giovani Gentile the father Fascism stated “Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form.” Gentile like other left wingers believed that all private action should be oriented to serve society.

IMO if I were to describe extreme far right it would be Anarchy.

[vienna]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ecGjnR3aNvA&pp=ygUPc3RlcGhlbiBjb2xiZXJ0


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[Gorpet]

Oh, Damn we got haters and haters, Well the Politicians and the Elite who line their pockets are winning.And you know what,Let's Debate.First of all where the hell did this originate? Some college CIA professor? This word "Debate" this single word has caused more world wide destruction in harmony with Democracy.Than just saying i want your country because we want your ****.

And Democracy will bring you freedom.NATO you can see that happening in Ukraine. And if you want to Debate,The United States and the United Kingdom,And all of NATO and Belgium,Yes the smartest IQ brains are in Belgium. And all they want to do is Debate.Hell if i take my dog to a 20 acre park.We must Debate where it can ****.

[Jimbuna]

Well. that's debate number one done and dusted and I didn't think Trump would perform as well as he did but imho he was a clear second to Harris on the night.

[mapuc]

I did not see the debate-However if I should believe our reporters Harris won the debate.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Well. that's debate number one done and dusted and I didn't think Trump would perform as well as he did but imho he was a clear second to Harris on the night.

Trump did the Trump....all over the place. It was his to win, but in fine Trump fashion he went 20 different places for one question. That's on Trump. He needs to get it together if he has any chance to win.

However, Harris did not explain her policies. Danced around her flip flops. She likes to say her values are the same but she is now ok with several things she was not in 2020. She said she was always for fracking and signed the IRA bill that opened more land for fracking. Yet in 2020 she is videoed stating she would ban fracking. She then declared she sees fossil fuels as part of the energy plan. But supported the green new deal in 2020. Her values have not changed but her song and dance for votes has.

Harris will win in Nov. Hang on to your checkbook.

Taylor Swift has endorsed Harris. Millions of votes going her way. These votes probably would have anyway. Maybe Taylor will let Trump use one of her songs.

I'd like to mention Harris stated she is ok with any type of abortion. That could be/mean anything. Even continuing the abortion of a baby that miraculously survives one.

[Jimbuna]

Trump did the Trump....all over the place. It was his to win, but in fine Trump fashion he went 20 different places for one question. That's on Trump. He needs to get it together if he has any chance to win.

However, Harris did not explain her policies. Danced around her flip flops. She likes to say her values are the same but she is now ok with several things she was not in 2020. She said she was always for fracking and signed the IRA bill that opened more land for fracking. Yet in 2020 she is videoed stating she would ban fracking. She then declared she sees fossil fuels as part of the energy plan. But supported the green new deal in 2020. Her values have not changed but her song and dance for votes has.

Harris will win in Nov. Hang on to your checkbook.

Taylor Swift has endorsed Harris. Millions of votes going her way. These votes probably would have anyway. Maybe Taylor will let Trump use one of her songs.

At the end of the day Taylor Swift endorsement goes to Harris.

Agreed and I'll just add....pretty much the same tripe we are fed by our own politicians here in the UK

[AVGWarhawk]

Agreed and I'll just add....pretty much the same tripe we are fed by our own politicians here in the UK

And to add, Taylor Swift is a self-serving idiot. Of course she decides to endorse after the debate. It was all about her. She is the horses arse.

[AVGWarhawk]

I did not see the debate-However if I should believe our reporters Harris won the debate.

Markus

To be honest Markus, Harris is in bed with ABC. Particularly Muir the moderator. It was darn close to 3 against 1. Trump. Harris landed her answer like an airplane and under 60 seconds. IMO, she knew what questions were coming.

And to add, when the hell are they going to stop with Jan 6th? Moderators asked about again and again. Yet, did not say word on Harris DA track record and other nonsense while in CA. She was not asked why now is she wanting to FIX things when she had 4 years to do so. And WHY are you not taking responsibilities for the past 4 years.

Trump had many chances to answer back some of the crap Harris was spewing. But as usual, Trump went off the rails on eating dogs and cats. :doh:

[Jimbuna]

To be honest Markus, Harris is in bed with ABC. Particularly Muir the moderator. It was darn close to 3 against 1. Trump. Harris landed her answer like an airplane and under 60 seconds. IMO, she knew what questions were coming.

And to add, when the hell are they going to stop with Jan 6th? Moderators asked about again and again. Yet, did not say word on Harris DA track record and other nonsense while in CA. She was not asked why now is she wanting to FIX things when she had 4 years to do so. And WHY are you not taking responsibilities for the past 4 years.

Trump had many chances to answer back some of the crap Harris was spewing. But as usual, Trump went off the rails on eating dogs and cats. :doh:

Yeah, the dogs and cats were totally unnecessary and weird :)

[AVGWarhawk]

Yeah, the dogs and cats were totally unnecessary and weird :)

Well, to his credit there has been some residence from the town on the local news stating the Haitians are running into buildings and flipping cars. Getting the ducks in the park and eating them. They are sucking up resources. It is not a pretty picture according to the residence. The news will tell you otherwise of course

Go to 3:56

https://youtu.be/VcD-l6FcJVM?si=XeeQM5aBnBfkXFGC

[Jimbuna]

Quickest way to stop that is to simply do what we in the UK do....put em up in 5 star hotels :)

[AVGWarhawk]

Quickest way to stop that is to simply do what we in the UK do....put em up in 5 star hotels :)

That is another issue that Trump mentioned. Many homeless here yet immigrants are living in hotels, given credit cards for food and healthcare.

[Jimbuna]

That is another issue that Trump mentioned. Many homeless here yet immigrants are living in hotels, given credit cards for food and healthcare.

Well if that is in fact what's happening I certainly agree with him there.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well if that is in fact what's happening I certainly agree with him there.

It is happening. NYC is the first example. In fact it has gotten overrun and the mayor is screaming uncle. They can't afford this, but the federal govt will bail them out with tax dollars.

[Buddahaid]

For the record, here’s the debate transcript to judge for yourself if the questions were fair and the answers coherent. Leave the talking head opining that substitutes for news out of it.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

[AVGWarhawk]

For the record, here’s the debate transcript to judge for yourself if the questions were fair and the answers coherent. Leave the talking head opining that substitutes for news out of it.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

IMO Harris answers were landed like a plane and in 60 seconds. That is suspect in itself. Muir is her buddy anyway. But that aside, Trump blew the debate all by himself. For that he should be proud.

[Jimbuna]

IMO Harris answers were landed like a plane and in 60 seconds. That is suspect in itself. Muir is her buddy anyway. But that aside, Trump blew the debate all by himself. For that he should be proud.

I know one person who'd disagree with you even though his math are incorrect :)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6u2h0Bi0WJc

[AVGWarhawk]

I know one person who'd disagree with you even though his math are incorrect :)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6u2h0Bi0WJc

Trump will always say he won! :D

[Jimbuna]

Trump will always say he won! :D

True that :yep:

[Buddahaid]

Trump will always say he won! :D

I wonder if he'll say he won his prison sentences? :arrgh!:

[AVGWarhawk]

Elections do have consequences.

[Jimbuna]

Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are at the same 9/11 memorial the morning after a fiery debate - their first of the 2024 US presidential election.

They debated policy but personal attacks also dominated the 90 minute event.

Harris said people leave Trump rallies early "out of exhaustion and boredom" - he said people don't go to hers in the first place.

Trump criticised Harris's record on immigration and the border, and also her shifting policy positions - Harris blamed him for "Trump abortion bans" and the 6 January attacks on the US Capitol.

Snap polls suggest Harris won the debate, but Trump says afterwards that she "lost very badly"

The former president appeared on the defensive when he called into Fox News the next morning, criticising the moderators and refusing to commit to another debate.

With the election taking place on 5 November, Harris is slightly ahead in national opinion polls - but key battleground states are very tight.