US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Jeff-Groves]

Are you suggesting something like "Citizenship" as done in StarShip Troopers?
And I do mean the book. The movies are good but the book is more detailed about "Citizenship".
:hmmm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9nG_GSwbIw

[Otto Harkaman]

:yeah:
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/11/1920/1080/cartoon110724.jpg
All eyes are on us, the American people, standing together at a critical crossroads for our nation.

[AVGWarhawk]

Democracy needs some better parameters

starting at 12:37


This is no joke. My wife's cousin did not know Joe dropped out. She went to vote and did not see Biden on the ballot. Totally clueless. Sad really.

[Skybird]

Are you suggesting something like "Citizenship" as done in StarShip Troopers?
And I do mean the book. The movies are good but the book is more detailed about "Citizenship".
:hmmm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9nG_GSwbIw
I know the movie, but I did not had exactly that on mind when tpying the above. I was just about the ancient Greek for sure. Their democracy and our modern idea of democracy are lightyears apart. The point is, the original democracy is - feudalism, whereas today we think of democracy as sort of the "antidot" to feudalism.

[Jeff-Groves]

The book explains other ways to earn "Citizenship" without doing Military service.
:yep:
The concept is interesting and has merit. I could see the problems trying to get that invoked!
Heck. People that don't want to pay back Student Loans would burn the Country to the ground!

[Dargo]

OMG...

:wah: or :har: ?

I use to say that political parties should be prohibited and only individual representatives should be voted for. Becasue prties put themsloeves before the interest of the people and state reason, as we currently see in Germany, in an especially terrible exmaple.

Maybe voters wanting to elect somebody also should be forbidden. :03:

After all, democracy in ancient Greece was a feudal government form. Only citizens - free, rich males with the right and wealth to carry arms - were allowed to participate: servants, women, slaves were banned from any polticial and administrative participation. But even these free rich males carrying arms hat to further qualify for riasing their voice in the assemblies: thery had to prove loyalty to religion and culture, and that they honoured traditions and their father and mother and forefathers. Witnesses had to confirm it.

But every run-of-the-mill person who has no idea about anything...? Some say voting is a democratic automatic right. I say it should be a right that must be earned, and qualification must be demonstrated. Thats the basic idea behind the ancient Greek concept. Of course - even that could be (and was) abused.So you think Trump is elected by the dumb and poor that assumption is false, it was the middle class that made the vote for Trump. They are basically disappointed by both parties for years and did an F you to the system. Preferring an authoritarian system above democratic system, I would suggest move to it, you will be back soon. If the grass is greener there just go do not stay to biaach.

[Jeff-Groves]

I just LOVE how you non-Americans buy into the BS about Trump 'Gonna rule like Hitler'.
I figure you think it's OK for the other Party to Weaponize the Justice system for their wants and needs. That's part of why they are on the ropes this election!
:haha:

And us Middle Class don't want your type anyways! We are also sick and tired of bailing your arses out of trouble!
Let Europe burn if that is what You and your fellow Country Men want. I don't want to pay to build you all back up again.

[Dargo]

It is you that repeat this rhetoric, I couldn't care who you vote in office, it has no influence on my life.

[vanjast]

This is the last US Coporation (Washing DC, Capitol Hill) election.
donald is the 17th pres of the United States Republic, and the final pres of this fraudulent US Capitol Hill Coporation.

I'm sure he will file for bankruptcy (it is bankrupt) of this US corp, then shut it down, then move over to the US Rep.

Soon we will see arrests, tribunals (and hopefully executions) of the swamp members, on TV... actually this lot were done in years ago (AMG-News). Maybe a military lockdown/curfew

The loons still don't realise that we're watching the 'Truman Show'. :o

btw... donald was always going to win.. it was scripted just as his win in 2016, 'bidens' win in 2020.. etc.
:arrgh!:

[Jeff-Groves]

You mean 47th President?
:hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

So you think Trump is elected by the dumb and poor that assumption is false, it was the middle class that made the vote for Trump. They are basically disappointed by both parties for years and did an F you to the system. Preferring an authoritarian system above democratic system, I would suggest move to it, you will be back soon. If the grass is greener there just go do not stay to biaach.


It is a bit more than that IMO. The woke agenda nonsense has to go. More time, money and effort has been spent on woke DEI crap then I care to count. People get tired of being put in box and labeled. Something the democrats like to do. Then throw in identity politics. It gets very tiresome. Well over half of the voting public made their voice heard. For some reason the DNC and related media in their pocket are completely imploding. A democrat without power is hilarious. A democrat in power is dangerous. Rush Limbaugh.

[AVGWarhawk]

I just LOVE how you non-Americans buy into the BS about Trump 'Gonna rule like Hitler'.
I figure you think it's OK for the other Party to Weaponize the Justice system for their wants and needs. That's part of why they are on the ropes this election!
:haha:

And us Middle Class don't want your type anyways! We are also sick and tired of bailing your arses out of trouble!
Let Europe burn if that is what You and your fellow Country Men want. I don't want to pay to build you all back up again.

Jeff, we heard this all before in 2016. The media vomited the same crap again. People wised up. The like of Joe Scarborough and his silly azz Morning Joe program need to go. That guy lies like a rug. People are seeing through the smoke and mirrors. The popular vote went to Trump. That should tell us everything we need to know.

[Jeff-Groves]

Yeah. I usually just laugh at the posts in this thread and stay out.
I figure those Your-a-peeins are just mad that handouts are gonna stop!
Then they may actually have to defend themselves.

How many of those that post in this thread ACTUALLY did any time in Service to thier Country?
:hmmm:

[Ostfriese]

Yeah. I usually just laugh at the posts in this thread and stay out.
I figure those Your-a-peeins are just mad that handouts are gonna stop!
Then they may actually have to defend themselves.

How many of those that post in this thread ACTUALLY did any time in Service to thier Country?
:hmmm:


I wonder why this should be of any relevance.


And (before you ask) yes, I did my basic service as a conscript in the Bundeswehr in the early 1990s. Not that it did me any good, with most of the Gefreite and Unteroffiziere being easily outsmarted by five meters of dirt road.

[Onkel Neal]

OMG...

:wah: or :har: ?

But every run-of-the-mill person who has no idea about anything...? Some say voting is a democratic automatic right. I say it should be a right that must be earned, and qualification must be demonstrated. Thats the basic idea behind the ancient Greek concept. Of course - even that could be (and was) abused.

Yeah, that's my thinking. I do not believe that every breathing person should be entitled to vote. There should be some kind of qualification: served in the military, pays income tax, knows how many states there are... something. It's stupid to let welfare lifers, criminals, non-citizens, and imbeciles pick our leaders.

[Skybird]

The book explains other ways to earn "Citizenship" without doing Military service.
:yep:
The concept is interesting and has merit. I could see the problems trying to get that invoked!

Kennedy's "Dont ask what your country can do for you, better ask what you can do for your country" comes to mind. He might have been about military in the main, but I dont know.
True is, however, that the ancient Greek word for "citizen" refers to a small band of armed people. But who was allowed to carry arms back then?
1. MEN. Females were prohibited from wearing arms.
2. FREE men. Slaves, servants, unfree men were not allowed to carry arms.
3. RICH free men. Because it was expected that the man carrying arms would be equipped by his family with weapons and armour, or would pay it by other personal treasuries - there were no public taxes raised in the cities, paying taxes was seen as submission to and cowardice before a tyrant. To this day, the Greeks have certain problems with their tax offices, tax collections and especially the cadastral registers. This aversion goes back to those ancient times. I too call taxes a regime of blackmailing protection money.
In ancient Greece, the defence of the city and the wars were to be paid by those rich families who also sent their male members as knights/warriors. They also had to pay the military efforts. In return they were consuming what the ordinary people - non-citizens, that are - produced in results of their daily works. Slaves, unfree, and women never were citizens! The ratio between citizens and non-citizens varied from city state to city state, mostly between 5% and 15% of the population were "citizens".
Interestingly, later in Europe's three medieval eras the ratio between feudal class/knights and peasants/farmers also was in this range, across Europe: 5-15% ruled, 85-95% had to obey and do the work on the fields and structures etc. Maybe this indicates a limit to how many farmers could supply how many non-farmers with food. But that is just my theory, and it ignores the complication that often only the medieval elites were allowed to chase and eat wild meat, whereas mostly for the peasants that was almost or a real crime.

"Citizens" are warriors. Thats how it looks, sorry. We give the term a noble value that in the way we interpret it it probably does not deserve. And does deserve - where the system as described worked good. But thats an old problem. A monarchy can work well if you have a good, competent king with a sense of duty, service and resonsibility. He is motivated to keep his place in order and keep things together, to have something that he can hand over to the next generation in his family (thats why socialism always leads to decline - last but not least because there is claimed to be no property and so no sense of responsibility in people emerges). But what if you have a bad guy as king, a ruthless criminal dirtbag? See, here the idea of monarchy starts to not sound that good anymore, doesn't it. And it must not even be a villain. An incompetent idiot as king can do as much if not more damage. With the best of intentions.

In summary, I am all for where you demand rights, you also have to accept duties. Where you take something from the common good, you have to give back to the common good. I do not accept claims for getting free rides, and only voluntarily having to give something back. I do not accept this being called a human right. If you take something, you have to give something.

[Jeff-Groves]

Given just your take on an Old and out dated system? Explain to me why We, in the USA, should grant Citizenship to those that broke every Law We have, to come into this Country and get the same rights, as those of us who have been here from birth and served and DIED, in some (Many) cases?
One might say because the USA offers Hope to the down trodden. I call BS on that! They come because of the free handouts the Powers that be GAVE away to them better then We, as Citizens of this Nation, get.

All the while sending BILLIONS to other Countries as We suffer!

[Ostfriese]

The vast majority of people who say "my country first" actually mean "me first", and the argument "I did XY" quite often only is the opening line for a selfish demand, an expression of entitlement.



If you don't want stupid people to vote, you don't take away their vote. You educate them to combat their stupidity.

[Skybird]

Given just your take on an Old and out dated system? Explain to me why We, in the USA, should grant Citizenship to those that broke every Law We have, to come into this Country and get the same rights, as those of us who have been here from birth and served and DIED, in some (Many) cases?


...??? Why would I...?
I did not judge anything, just straighten a few points many people do not reflect on. What "democracy" originally is, and what "citizen" originally meant.

[AVGWarhawk]

The vast majority of people who say "my country first" actually mean "me first", and the argument "I did XY" quite often only is the opening line for a selfish demand, an expression of entitlement.


Very simplistic.

[Oubaas]

The vast majority of people who say "my country first" actually mean "me first", and the argument "I did XY" quite often only is the opening line for a selfish demand, an expression of entitlement.

Spoken like a true civilian. I'm guessing that you've never worn a military uniform, and have never gone in harm's way on behalf of your country.

I'd love to hear your opinion about this after Trump withdraws the US from NATO and the Russian Federation decides they're tired of western Europe pestering them. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/dVQ9NGMT/IMG-4785.jpg (https://postimg.cc/N5VT59jg)

[Ostfriese]

Very simplistic.


People are simplistic.

[mapuc]

A few thing about the election

1. I was right
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2931341&postcount=10366

2. During the night and the days after our politicians was analyzing up and down - forward and backward - inside and out, because they couldn't understand why Trump won and with so much

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

https://i.postimg.cc/dVQ9NGMT/IMG-4785.jpg (https://postimg.cc/N5VT59jg)



:har::har::haha: amen

[AVGWarhawk]

Democrats have floated is that the Republicans were able to get their message out through Podcasts and other neutral media outlets.


.

Democrats own the media. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, MSN. Republicans have FOX. I'm not sure how they believe their attack dogs known as the media did not get their message out.

[Commander Wallace]

Given just your take on an Old and out dated system? Explain to me why We, in the USA, should grant Citizenship to those that broke every Law We have, to come into this Country and get the same rights, as those of us who have been here from birth and served and DIED, in some (Many) cases?
One might say because the USA offers Hope to the down trodden. I call BS on that! They come because of the free handouts the Powers that be GAVE away to them better then We, as Citizens of this Nation, get.

All the while sending BILLIONS to other Countries as We suffer!


I agree, Jeff. :yep:

I found this article and thought it may be of interest. In my opinion, this explains one very good reason why the Democrats suffered a resounding loss across the board.

A federal judge on Thursday struck down the Biden administration’s “parole in place” policy that gave legal status to certain undocumented individuals who are married to US citizens. Ironically, It was a trump appointed Supreme Court Justice that has said Biden exceeded his Authority.

Quote: In his Thursday ruling on the merits of their case, Barker, appointed by President-elect Donald Trump during his first term, said that Congress had not given the executive branch the authority to implement such a policy. He wrote that “history and purpose confirm that defendants’ view” of the relevant immigration law “stretches legal interpretation past its breaking point.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fe...on/ar-AA1tHQYN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-judge-strikes-down-biden-immigration-policy-shielding-select-undocumented-spouses-of-us-citizens-from-deportation/ar-AA1tHQYN)

Essentially, Biden wanted to bring in more Immigrants to change the demographics for the Democratic party and it has backfired badly. This doesn't mean the Democrats won't continue to try.

I have heard one stupid argument after another as to why the Democrats lost the Presidential Election and other races and lost badly. Not only did the Democrats lose the Presidency but also lost seats in the Senate and House. This essentially will give President Elect Trump a " blank check " in dealing with the Issues our Country faces, Like Illegal and undocumented Migrants or Invaders. I think the dangers these Invaders pose merits dealing with them with extreme prejudice if they resist deportation or place our Law enforcement officers in danger.

The Democrats lost because they number a few thousand in Washington and sought to impose their weird and bizarre ideas of normal on millions of us, the Electorate. We won't tolerate anyone telling us what to think or how. True to form, the Democrats are blaming everyone except themselves. One stupid Idea the Democrats have floated is that the Republicans were able to get their message out through Podcasts and other neutral media outlets.

The Democrats said they never got their message out. I strongly disagree that their warped message and Ideas got out just fine. We heard you loud and clear. Simply put, the American people weren't buying their warped Ideas or the " message " they were trying to convey. They, the Democratic party wants to move migrants ( I call them Invaders ) greater than the population of Ohio and other states into the U,S and make American Citizens financially responsible for them whether they like it or not.

If you asked the average Citizen in the U.S, they would gladly support and without question help our own Veterans, many of whom suffer from PTSD and other health related Issues associated with their Military service. Our own people have suffered badly under this current regime with regards to having to work 2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet with out of control Inflation

We learned long ago in School through Civics classes and the like that our elected officials are in Washington to represent us and our values and what we want as a Country and Society. When Officials ignore that and pursue their own warped agenda, they are removed. It's really as simple as that. Listening to the Democrats try to explain their humiliating loss is very much like watching a dog chase it's own tail. The Democrats are just too stupid to figure it out.

With the dangers that the Democratic Party has exposed American citizens to, I strongly believe the Democratic party should be outlawed and their ranking members put on trial for Treason against their fellow Citizens. I know this won't happen but firmly believe the actions of the Democrats rise to this level of offense.

My suggestion to the Democratic Institutions, Get over your loss.

Once again, I'm very proud of our Citizens for not only Voting but also for thinking things through. I know the hard hit states like Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and others are happy you did as well. The rest of the world seems to feel as we do as well.


* I agree Chris. It used to be the truth is the truth but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore *

[Catfish]

For what I saw it were the latinos who helped Trump win.
"Latinos are Republican. They just don't know it yet."
(Ronald Reagan)
Now they know.

[AVGWarhawk]

The pandering , BS, fakery, being told how to vote and lies....people are tired of it. Trump won the popular vote. That is significant.

[Commander Wallace]

The pandering , BS, fakery, being told how to vote and lies....people are tired of it. Trump won the popular vote. That is significant.


That's not just significant. That says it all. :yep:

[ET2SN]

Kennedy's "Dont ask what your country can do for you, better ask what you can do for your country" comes to mind. He might have been about military in the main, but I dont know.

OK, that one is new to me. :timeout:

What Kennedy was saying was that ALL people should do things to help the rest. He was setting us up for ideas like the Peace Corps, a stronger United Nations, peaceful civilian exploration of space, being a volunteer for local causes, etc. In other words, if you wanted to serve your country there were other, equally valid, options besides joining the military. :yep:

We already had a strong military when he gave the speech. :O:

[Shadowblade]

https://i.ibb.co/XJzyvtZ/white-peanut.jpg

[Reece]

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Ohl5qinBmV0_2jvCit0duAAAAA&pid=Api&P=0&h=180

[vanjast]

Democrats own the media. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, MSN. Republicans have FOX. I'm not sure how they believe their attack dogs known as the media did not get their message out.
None of that is the case... The military have total control of all media worldwide. In each country that particular military are running the social/media/internet show.

I believe over the next few months.. we are to discover the extent of the deception... not everything they say, which I find disappointing as I would like to see the lemmings 'walk the plank'.
:arrgh!:

[Shadowblade]

so when it will begin? :03:


https://i.ibb.co/4N9H12z/exodus-from-USA.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Trump's team hits first roadblock as they start to assume power


Donald Trump's presidential transition team has alreadyhit its first bump in the road after he won re-election Tuesday, reports the New York Times.

At issue is a failure to turn in paperwork –– now over a month overdue — that would clear the path to the turnover of sensitive documents which would allow the incoming administration to hit the ground running after the former president returns to the Oval Office.

That paperwork includes a "legally required ethics pledge stating that he will avoid conflicts of interest and other ethical concerns while in office" the absence of which has caused progress to come to halt.

According to the report from the Times' Ken Bensinger, the failure to address the impasse has the potential to put America's security at risk.

Reporting, "While the transition team’s leadership has privately drafted an ethics code and a conflict-of-interest statement governing its staff, those documents do not include language, required under the law, that explains how Mr. Trump himself will address conflicts of interest during his presidency," Bensinger added, "The Trump transition’s ethics documents are silent on the question of Mr. Trump’s ethical conduct."

As it stands now, the administration of President Joe Biden is legally prohibited from providing the former president's transition team with classified intelligence and national defense briefings,

The report adds that the missing paperwork also blocks Trump's people from the "physical access to the 438 different federal agencies that they will soon control, and it cannot allow them to review their files."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-s-team-hits-first-roadblock-as-they-start-to-assume-power/ar-AA1tN0Jk?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=8e926fddb64642fbad7351a175cdf5da&ei=13

[Ostfriese]

https://media.itep.org/Trump-Proposals-Cut-Taxes-for-Richest-5-Percent-Raise-Taxes-on-Other-Groups-1401x1536.png

[Otto Harkaman]

Was the campaign to reduce natural gas use connected to the desire to export more liquefied natural gas LNG?

ChatGPT:
Yes, there is a connection between campaigns to reduce domestic natural gas use and the goal of exporting more liquefied natural gas (LNG), though it’s not always directly stated. Here’s how they’re linked:


Growing Demand for U.S. LNG Abroad: The global demand for LNG has been rising, especially in Europe and Asia, where countries are looking for stable, diversified energy sources. This has driven the U.S. to expand LNG export capacity to capitalize on international markets, where natural gas can sell for higher prices.
Environmental Policies: In the U.S., environmental policies aimed at reducing fossil fuel dependence have targeted domestic natural gas consumption, encouraging a shift toward renewables. By lowering the domestic reliance on natural gas, more can be available for export without impacting U.S. energy stability.
Strategic and Economic Gains: Exporting LNG enhances the U.S. position in global energy markets and boosts revenue for the industry, supporting both energy independence and economic growth. Additionally, reduced natural gas use domestically aligns with climate policies, creating dual benefits of environmental progress and increased exports.

In summary, campaigns to cut domestic natural gas usage indirectly support LNG exports, which align with both economic interests and shifting energy policies.

[mapuc]

I have a question from my elder sister, something she has been wondering about.

Who will take Trumps place if he should die before Jan. 20th -25 ?

I told her that it would be his Vice President Vance who will take the oath

She said - she didn't think so

This comment is written on my elders sisters computer.

Markus

[Dargo]

I have a question from my elder sister, something she has been wondering about.

Who will take Trumps place if he should die before Jan. 20th -25 ?

I told her that it would be his Vice President Vance who will take the oath

She said - she didn't think so

This comment is written on my elders sisters computer.

MarkusUS Constitution, 20th Amendment, Section 3: “If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died, the Vice President-elect shall become President.” However, a candidate is not technically elected until the Electoral College votes. The Electoral College casts their votes in December.

[mapuc]

What if he goes to heaven before the electoral have their meeting ?

Missed this part of your comment.

"a candidate is not technically elected until the Electoral College votes."

Markus

[Dargo]

What if he goes to heaven before the electoral have their meeting ?

Missed this part of your comment.

"a candidate is not technically elected until the Electoral College votes."

MarkusThe presidents are actually elected on Dec 10th the day the electors vote. US voting for presidential electors on Nov 6th It was set up this way to prevent states with high populations from always choosing the President. If president-elect dies between November 6 and Dec 10th this frees the electors to vote as most states make it a criminal offense for an elector not to vote for the candidate they are pledged to vote for. If president-elect dies after Dec 10th the Vice President-elect becomes president.

[Dargo]

:shifty: Sooo you now get someone giving advice that believes a 4chan troll is real good luck US. :06:Elon Musk has used his large platform on X to promote a theory that a free-thinking “Republic” could only exist under the decision-making of “high status males” – and women or “low T men” would not be welcome in it.

On Sunday, Musk re-posted a screenshot of the theory – which appears to have been conceived on 4chan in 2021– on the social media site.

The theory, written by an anonymous user, suggests that the only people able to think freely are “high [testostrone] alpha males” and “aneurotypical people”, and that these “high status males” should run a “Republic” that is “only for those who are free to think.” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-trump-harris-high-status-males-4chan-b2606617.html
https://i.postimg.cc/fTyVsCRD/Screenshot-2024-11-09-at-22-56-48-2-Elon-Musk-on-X-Interesting-observation-X.png

You all realize this is created by minors in their basement on a troll forum these kids now realize what they created 10–15 years ago has gone horrible wrong. Theories on steroids and ADHD medication.

[ET2SN]

Trump's team hits first roadblock as they start to assume power


This is something I have wondered about for a while, now. :hmmm:

As someone who has had to deal with security clearances and their effects (trust me, they are a bigger pain than they are worth), just how do you grant a clearance to a convict?

To get access to Secret-and-above classified material, you have to survive a full investigation which means NO arrest record, NO convictions, NO on-going discipline issues, and NO reports that paint you as someone who should not have access to classified material. :yep:

This isn't a "solid proof above and beyond" kind of thing, If any part of your background investigation smells a little stinky, you DON'T get the clearance. :smug:

This isn't a "gotcha" question, its been an issue since Day Flipping One. :up:

[Gorpet]

The aftermath of this election will turn ugly, little doubt on that. Especially Trump has prepared the ground in advance for his "they stole the election" narration in case he loses. On TV they said voting results could be contested at court in up to 19 states, in worst case. :o

Question is whether the rifles will stay in the locker. On TV they said over 60% of Republican party members hold gun licences, and 40% of Democrats, and the latter is just since recently, in a reaction to recent years. - Armed mobs were seen at voting points already the last time.

Possible there will be a new president in January. But certain it is not. It could be months, if things run really bad. And its not even especially unlikely.

No matter the results, I already now offer my condolences. This election will know no winner, only a big looser - the people.

Update, 70% of American citizens own their own guns. 10% are gangsters, they will never get the guns from them. And 20% is the Government, that has the big guns. And Joey AKA "Ice Cream" Biden " Did tell the American people if you want to take us on,you better have some f-16's and some nukes. And it is now a fact The American People have rejected the New world Order and their bull****.

[Gorpet]

The funny thing is all you said is exactly how I feel about MAGA republicans and especially Trump. Hopefully the bonehead won't tank the economy with his brilliance as a failed business owner.:shucks:

Hopefully, The Bonehead, will stop the Ukraine war that the current Boneheads started, And have been giving Billions of taxpayer dollars to another American proxy war that in the end. American troops, ya you know your son's and now daughters will have to go to Ukraine.
Tell me a War that the American Politician says we are only going to support Democracy by sending in support and Advisers. That didn't end up being a major "oh my god" the enemy is not falling down on their knees and surrendering.To Demoracery

So then what happens, the same thing that's happened in All of Americas proxy wars. The call goes out for those who are not College educated, we need you to fight for Democracy. And we know how that works out don't we ? And the economy who knows what what hides in the deep recesses of the Democrat Party. But i believe even their supporters don't want to find out any more of their future than they experience everyday.

[Commander Wallace]

I saw this interview that Former Wrestler Tyrus did with President Elect Trump before he won the Election. I found it enlightening as to who Donald Trump really is. A family man for one and one who answers questions directly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUW0j9lW9Q8

[Gorpet]

Trump's team hits first roadblock as they start to assume power


Well,Jim is it any surprise ? Sir Keir Starmer,Has hit his roadblock, And it will be interesting how these 2 get along.
It looks like from the USA ,Your country is under control of a man and his party.That's has a new vision of Democracy for the UK. We Americans will be watching.

[Gorpet]

Trump's team hits first roadblock as they start to assume power


Is ,That any surprise, What we are looking forward to is how Keir Starmer, interacts with Donald Trump. And will the Donald accept Starmers version of Democracy ?

Is there something wrong with the delete ? And how long do we have to wait for our reply to show up ? If , its a moderator thing. Just say so.

[AVGWarhawk]

Trump's team hits first roadblock as they start to assume power


Did we expect anything less? They will fight tooth and nail to assure Trump does not succeed.

[AVGWarhawk]

I saw this interview that Former Wrestler Tyrus did with President Elect Trump before he won the Election. I found it enlightening as to who Donald Trump really is. A family man for one and one who answers questions directly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUW0j9lW9Q8

Even Shawn Hannity who had know Trump for 30 years will tell you he is a family man and very funny.

[Gorpet]

Did we expect anything less? They will fight tooth and nail to assure Trump does not succeed.

It's ,weird how Kamala,her last speech was we concede, we lost the election but we must never give up the Fight, What fight ? Can someone tell me what fight she is talking about ?

Did she and the Democrat party not see that the citizens of this country are tired of them, Do they think this country is full of uneducated, Democrat, and Repub voters that have no college education? That we are Stupid ? Oh damn they will be erasing this word from the new world dictionary.

[Reece]

What if he goes to heaven before the electoral have their meeting ?

Markus
:har::har::har::har:

[ET2SN]

So, this is entertaining... :doh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qepwGPgJyF0

[AVGWarhawk]

It's ,weird how Kamala,her last speech was we concede, we lost the election but we must never give up the Fight, What fight ? Can someone tell me what fight she is talking about ?

Did she and the Democrat party not see that the citizens of this country are tired of them, Do they think this country is full of uneducated, Democrat, and Repub voters that have no college education? That we are Stupid ? Oh damn they will be erasing this word from the new world dictionary.

Yes, I noted that in her less than conceding the race speech. The fight would be continuing to push progressive ideology and nonsense. Abortion rights. She has the truly oddball fixation with abortion. Soft on crime. Open borders. Shoving electric whatever up the wazhoo.

No sir, their tunnel vision keeps Harris and her supporters from seeing the majority of the voting public is not going down her street any longer. Yes, they do think voters are idiots. Her push for abortion rights was her undoing with women. Her push to bait for votes with money towards a home. Money towards a business. The voters know it's all BS. That money is never coming. Identity politics died with this election. Lastly, don't tell voters she deserves their vote. Don't shame them. Obama can be thanked for that. Celebrity endorsement means nothing. The Democratic party needs an overhaul. They know it.

[Otto Harkaman]

I would argue that Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter had a profound impact on transparency in public discourse. By revealing the prevalence of bot accounts and fictitious profiles that previously distorted public opinion, Musk exposed how much of the narrative during the last election and throughout Trump's first term may have been shaped by artificial influence. The discovery that tens of thousands of non-authentic accounts were potentially driving conversations shows just how significant these digital mirages were in shaping public sentiment and influencing political debates.

https://youtu.be/d6z4H_geX5A?si=pgGROJ4qzBwxomNj

[AVGWarhawk]

I would argue that Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter had a profound impact on transparency in public discourse. By revealing the prevalence of bot accounts and fictitious profiles that previously distorted public opinion, Musk exposed how much of the narrative during the last election and throughout Trump's first term may have been shaped by artificial influence. The discovery that tens of thousands of non-authentic accounts were potentially driving conversations shows just how significant these digital mirages were in shaping public sentiment and influencing political debates.

https://youtu.be/d6z4H_geX5A?si=pgGROJ4qzBwxomNj



I hope he buys CNN.

[Catfish]

:shifty: Sooo you now get someone giving advice that believes a 4chan troll is real good luck US. :06: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-trump-harris-high-status-males-4chan-b2606617.html
https://i.postimg.cc/fTyVsCRD/Screenshot-2024-11-09-at-22-56-48-2-Elon-Musk-on-X-Interesting-observation-X.png

You all realize this is created by minors in their basement on a troll forum these kids now realize what they created 10–15 years ago has gone horrible wrong. Theories on steroids and ADHD medication.
I only saw this today. This is the elite. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

This is something I have wondered about for a while, now. :hmmm:

As someone who has had to deal with security clearances and their effects (trust me, they are a bigger pain than they are worth), just how do you grant a clearance to a convict?

To get access to Secret-and-above classified material, you have to survive a full investigation which means NO arrest record, NO convictions, NO on-going discipline issues, and NO reports that paint you as someone who should not have access to classified material. :yep:



That sir is the million dollar question.

[Jimbuna]

Did we expect anything less? They will fight tooth and nail to assure Trump does not succeed.

Pretty much like he did when he lost the last election or so I am led to believe.

[Commander Wallace]

Yes, I noted that in her less than conceding the race speech. The fight would be continuing to push progressive ideology and nonsense. Abortion rights. She has the truly oddball fixation with abortion. Soft on crime. Open borders. Shoving electric whatever up the wazhoo.

No sir, their tunnel vision keeps Harris and her supporters from seeing the majority of the voting public is not going down her street any longer. Yes, they do think voters are idiots. Her push for abortion rights was her undoing with women. Her push to bait for votes with money towards a home. Money towards a business. The voters know it's all BS. That money is never coming. Identity politics died with this election. Lastly, don't tell voters she deserves their vote. Don't shame them. Obama can be thanked for that. Celebrity endorsement means nothing. The Democratic party needs an overhaul. They know it.


Let's be fair, we owe Joe Biden and Mama Kamala a large degree of gratitude. For one, Joe and Kamala single handedly destroyed the Democratic party and sabotaged the Democratic candidates for the Senate and House of Representatives and their warped aspirations during this past Election. I think the purge will continue in upcoming Elections.

Second, the Democratic Party and their supporters gave us a lot of comic relief and also great material for Comedians to work with. Add in their meltdowns and crying and it was all great fun.

I liked the reactions of Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel and Seth Myers. Colbert has nothing to complain about. For eight years, he has made millions complaining about Trump. Now he has another four years of fresh material, that sly dog. The Democrats have said, we feel sad and are in pain. I can somewhat Identify with that. Although, the only pain I have been in is my " little " friend has been excited since the results of the Election became known late Tuesday evening and hasn't subsided. I must see a Doctor.:haha:

Jimmy Kimmel actually broke down during his Tuesday night show and cried like he was 2 days into his cycle and watching a sad movie. Maybe Jimmy Kimmel bought into the BS that abortions would be completely abolished and he wouldn't be able to get one. That is unless you consider the Abortion his late night show is. :yep: I wonder if Jimmy has a live in Psychiatrist ? It used to be that Johnny Carson and David Letterman would come out and entertain people. These clowns are themselves a joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSMsdfY5B8s

I am anxiously waiting, like everyone else, for all the Celebrities to leave the Country as they promised to do if Donald Trump won.

One final thought, sanity and common sense are back in town. :)

* It's hard to be gracious when the Democratic party has continually demeaned Trump Supporters with various names. in 2016, Presidential Candidate Hliary Clinton call Trump Supporters a "basket of deplorables." Biden called people who supported Trump, Garbage, two weeks ago. Mama Kamala Has called Trump Supporters, Racists and Neo Nazis among other names. Then, the Democratic Party stupidly wonders why the Electorate wouldn't vote for them or their Candidates. If Idiots were Engines, the Dems would all be Big Blocks. :yep: Well Mr. Biden, this is the first time in history the Garbage has taken out the Trash. *

I say lets try to be gracious and thank them for the great work in destroying the Democratic party and also the great laughs and comic relief this past week. :D :yep:

[Buddahaid]

It's going to amusing watching that glass house fall apart.:Kaleun_Wink:

[Commander Wallace]

It's going to amusing watching that glass house fall apart.:Kaleun_Wink:
Meaning ?

[ET2SN]

I say lets try to be gracious and thank them for the great work in destroying the Democratic party and also the great laughs and comic relief this past week. :D :yep:

How? By making strangers cry? :hmmm:
That isn't being gracious, its being a bully. :yep:

I've read that "vets" turned out for Trump.
Trust me, this "vet" DID NOT vote for Trump. :yep:
To be fair, almost all of my "vet buddies" served during some part of the old Cold War. THEY did not vote for Trump.

:Kaleun_Goofy:

[Commander Wallace]

How? By making strangers cry? :hmmm:
That isn't being gracious, its being a bully. :yep:

I've read that "vets" turned out for Trump.
Trust me, this "vet" DID NOT vote for Trump. :yep:
To be fair, almost all of my "vet buddies" served during some part of the old Cold War. THEY did not vote for Trump.

:Kaleun_Goofy:


I'm not being a bully. However, like most of our Countrymen, a great many who also served, they feel a sense of deliverance and have said this election was like waking up from a bad nightmare. If you like how Biden and Kamala did things, your service entitles you to your feelings. Everyone else who didn't serve is also entitled to the same consideration. The vast majority of our Fellow Americans felt that Donald Trump was a better choice than Kamala. I share that sentiment.

I would think if you did serve as you have said, you would be upset at invaders moving into your Country. I would think that families struggling to feed themselves because of Inflation would concern you. It concerns and upsets me and our other American Citizens. My loyalty is, was and always shall be to my Country and my Countrymen, of which you are one. :yep: I will never apologize for that.

Like most, I'm very angry at the destrution to our Country that the Dems have caused. Our Citizens have spoken and that's good enough for me. It's my hope that all of us American's can be restored to more prosperous times.

[ET2SN]

I'm not being a bully. However, like most of our Countrymen, a great many who also served, they feel a sense of deliverance and have said this election was like waking up from a bad nightmare. If you like how Biden and Kamala did things, your service entitles you to your feelings. Everyone else who didn't serve is also entitled to the same consideration. The vast majority of our Fellow Americans felt that Donald Trump was a better choice than Kamala. I share that sentiment.

I would think if you did serve as you have said, you would be upset at invaders moving into your Country. I would think that families struggling to feed themselves because of Inflation would concern you. It concerns and upsets me and our other American Citizens. My loyalty is, was and always shall be to my Country and my Countrymen, of which you are one. :yep: I will never apologize for that.

Like most, I'm very angry at the destrution to our Country that the Dems have caused. Our Citizens have spoken and that's good enough for me. It's my hope that all of us American's can be restored to more prosperous times.


It doesn't explain why you enjoy watching other people suffer. :yep:

I got my degree in Engineering, not in a medical field.
You might want to talk to a Pshychiratrist about that pent-up rage. :yeah:

Like I said, I served during the Cold War and a little beyond that.
I certainly wasn't going to vote for Vlad Putin by proxy. :03:

Which, deep down, you know you did. :yep:

But again, I'm not a Shrink so you'll just have to accept my opinion on that. :D


By the way, explain this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRFyBsJifTs

This is John "Bomb Iran" Bolton. Not exactly a bleeding heart lib.

[Commander Wallace]

It doesn't explain why you enjoy watching other people suffer. :yep:

I got my degree in Engineering, not in a medical field.
You might want to talk to a Pshychiratrist about that pent-up rage. :yeah:

Like I said, I served during the Cold War and a little beyond that.
I certainly wasn't going to vote for Vlad Putin by proxy. :03:

Which, deep down, you know you did. :yep:

But again, I'm not a Shrink so you'll just have to accept my opinion on that. :D


By the way, explain this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRFyBsJifTs

This is John "Bomb Iran" Bolton. Not exactly a bleeding heart lib.

I on the other hand do have medical and law degree's and back grounds. I certainly owe you no explanation and need not have to explain myself as to where or how I voted. I also served as well. I expressed an opinion. Nothing more. If that frightens you deep in your liberal heart, too bad. Get over it. I certainly have no problem with you expressing your opinion in prefering Kamala. That is of course your perrogative. However, your ignorance and sanctimonious attitude and tone offends me.

The vast majority of the Electorate felt the same way I did during this Election. I suppose the millions of Trump Voters need a Psychiatrist as well ? The writing was and is on the wall and you are too blind to see it. I have had conversations with Medical, Legal, Engineering and Law Enforcement people among other professional people in various sectors and just the average guy as well during the last year. They felt the same way. Trump has his Issues, no doubt and is far from perfect, like the rest of us. However, the voters decided they were tired of the Woke BS and dangerous Invaders pouring over the border that Kamala and Joe essentially invited there. Interestingly enough, the dow Jones went up 1500 points the day after the Election.

By the way, In what way did I enjoy seeing people suffer ? Are you really so stupid with a College education as to believe that the Democrats are suffering because their candidates lost ? I'm sure their collective pride was wounded and they have hurt feelings at being rejected by millions. If you equate that to me hurting them, you very much need a Psychiatrist like your Liberal friends as well. By the way, I would expect someone like you with an " Engineering degree " to be able to spell Psychiatrist or Psychiatry, not as you did. ( Pshychiratrist ) Apparently with an Engineering degree, you don't know how to work a spell check. :yep:

Kamala called Trump Hitler and said Democracy was at stake. I couldn't have agreed more. I felt the Dems were a threat to our Country. Apparently, you never researched Kamala's actions as a District Attorney in the San Franciso area before Biden made her his VP. When Kamala lost the Election, she addressed her supporters the next day and her tone magically changed. Kamala said the U.S and Democracy was fine and would remain as such. But during the Election, it was in danger ? What a farce. If you disagree, that's fine. You and your opinion are in the minority. As far as laughing at the Dems, they bring in on themselves and invite ridicule and jokes. It would be rude not to accept. :yep:

The Voters decided overwhelmingly and decisively last Tuesday what they wanted. If you don't like it, that's your problem. I strongly suggest you seek and find professional help and deal with it. Maybe you could go on the Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel Show. I think you would find a receptive audience to commiserate with. :yep:

[August]

How? By making strangers cry? :hmmm:
That isn't being gracious, its being a bully. :yep:

I've read that "vets" turned out for Trump.
Trust me, this "vet" DID NOT vote for Trump. :yep:
To be fair, almost all of my "vet buddies" served during some part of the old Cold War. THEY did not vote for Trump.

:Kaleun_Goofy:


I'm a cold war vet who DID vote for Trump and the dozen or so guys who served with me that I still keep in touch with almost all voted for Trump as well. Guess your bunch of vet buddies and you are in the minority. :up:

[Catfish]

[...] Kamala called Trump Hitler and said Democracy was at stake. I couldn't have agreed more. I felt the Dems were a threat to our Country. [...]
Where did you get the idea that democracy was at stake? Also you agree to Harris calling Trump Hitler, some contradiction?
Apparently, you never researched Kamala's actions as a District Attorney in the San Franciso area before Biden made her his VP. [...]
And?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2d4evq5po

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/07/27/kamala-harris-prosecutor-california-police-election-crime

Yes, some faults maybe that she probably is not responsible for, and her opinion that the death penalty is wrong.
As for the rest you wrote I am a really astonished.

[Commander Wallace]

Where did you get the idea that democracy was at stake? Also you agree to Harris calling Trump Hitler, some contradiction?

And?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2d4evq5po

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/07/27/kamala-harris-prosecutor-california-police-election-crime

Yes, some faults maybe that she probably is not responsible for, and her opinion that the death penalty is wrong.
As for the rest you wrote I am a really astonished.


Kai, I understand being in Germany that the jist of American lingo might have been lost in translation for you. I will clarify it for you. Kamala compared Trump to Hitler. I didn't make any comparison's at all and quite frankly was at something of a loss of her comparison. Trump isn't Hitler or anything close. The comment regarding Democracy being at stake was simply sarcasm. Kamala voiced her Idea that Democracy was at stake but as soon as she lost the Election, everything seemed to be ok with her and Democracy with President Elect Trump was now safe. This clearly Illustrates her lies and deceit while running her campaign.

With regards to Kamala and her record in San Francisco, The police unions blasted Kamala for not seeking the death Penalty against an individual who killed a Police Officer.

Quote: Mike Nevin (https://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=crime&inlineLink=1&searchindex=property&query=%22Mike+Nevin%22) Jr., a San Francisco police officer and a regular contributor to a number of online conservative forums who has written about the death penalty, said that penalty is already reserved only for a tiny percentage of the most heinous crimes, and that killing a police officer should qualify.

https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-D-A-won-t-pursue-death-in-cop-2767716.php

Kamala became more Liberal from there which resulted in her losing her Election bid.

As far as being astonished, please clarify. Kai, the people in the U.S are tired of the progressive liberal policies of the current administration. This is why people didn't want her. I spoke the truth that no one wanted her as a president. We live here in the U.S. Millions here in the U.S made their wishes known and gave President Elect Trump a mandate. And, that's the end of that.

Being in Germany, I'm certain you're not aware of the warped policies of the Democratic Party here. Trust in the fact that my Countrymen said no to her candidacy. This includes sex change operations for Inmates and Illegal and undocumented Migrants, all on the Tax Payers Dime that Kamala wanted. This is just a small example of the Democratic partys wrong doing. I simply voiced what the Electorate here said by their votes last Tuesday.


My apologies for the confusion.

[Ostfriese]

What we are aware of in Germany when it comes to the USA is how easy it is to fall for the most obvious lies that can be imagined - they only need to be repeated often enough, and eventually even educated and smart people will believe them.

If anyone over here ever wondered how the Nazis managed to convince my great-grandparents' generation with obvious nonsense (and there still are people who wonder about that - not too few, either) , he only needs to look at the Americans these days.

[AVGWarhawk]

It's going to amusing watching that glass house fall apart.:Kaleun_Wink:

Well, we are always told to support whomever wins. I'm not getting that good vibe from you. I'll never understand why some love to see failure for their country.

[Skybird]

Trump seems to kickstart a VTO with maximum force and all boosters on fire.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/11/politics/trump-massive-power-disruption-analysis/index.html

Whether all this in the end plays out to result in something just "effective" or something really "ugly" remains to be seen. But the console already blinks with many red alarm lights. They could flip to constant red or constant green later on.

In some time we will know.

I think it's only now beginning to dawn on the Democrats how far-reaching the true extent of their failure actually is. The consequences could far outlast Trump's second term. By far.

[Otto Harkaman]

What is the worst that people think will happen under a Trump Presidency ?

Concerns over a potential Trump presidency vary widely, especially depending on the individual’s political perspective, and they typically fall into several major areas:


Democratic Erosion and Institutional Integrity: Many critics worry about erosion of democratic norms, believing Trump might disregard checks and balances. Concerns include possible limits on judicial independence, pressure on law enforcement to align politically, and undermining free press.
Foreign Policy and Global Stability: Some fear an unpredictable or isolationist foreign policy. Critics cite Trump's unconventional relationships with authoritarian leaders, such as Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un, and worry about destabilizing alliances, like NATO, which could weaken U.S. influence and embolden adversarial powers.
Social Polarization and Division: Trump is seen by some as a polarizing figure whose rhetoric could further divide the nation on issues of race, immigration, and cultural identity. This could lead to social unrest or increase hostility within and between communities.
Economic Inequality and Deregulation: Trump's tax cuts and deregulation efforts are often seen as favoring the wealthy and corporations. Critics fear a deepening economic divide, reduced social safety nets, and potential increases in environmental degradation due to reduced regulatory oversight.
Impact on Climate and Environmental Policies: Trump’s previous environmental policies, such as withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement and rolling back EPA regulations, have raised concerns about long-term environmental damage and America’s role in climate change mitigation efforts.
Handling of Civil Rights and Social Progress: There are worries that a Trump presidency might roll back gains in LGBTQ+ rights, abortion rights, and civil rights protections. His Supreme Court appointments are seen by some as leading toward a conservative shift that could impact key legal precedents.
Handling of Future Public Health and Safety Crises: Critics of Trump’s handling of COVID-19 have expressed concerns over how he might handle future health crises, citing a lack of centralized response and a mistrust of scientific and public health experts.

In sum, the worst-case scenarios painted by Trump critics tend to revolve around democratic backsliding, social division, economic inequality, environmental regression, and a potentially destabilized global stage. His supporters, however, tend to view his policies as necessary for reform and as a pushback against entrenched systems.



Going by his first term in office do any of these things seem possible?

Some of these concerns are informed by actions Trump took in his first term, but to varying degrees. Here’s a look at how some key areas manifested (or didn’t) during that time:


Democratic Norms and Institutional Integrity: Trump’s presidency did show instances where norms were challenged, such as pressure on the Justice Department and criticism of the judiciary. While he did not dismantle these institutions, his administration pushed boundaries that worried some experts, for instance, by appointing loyalists to key positions and frequently contesting election processes.
Foreign Policy and Global Stability: Trump pursued an “America First” policy, withdrawing from several international agreements (Paris Climate Agreement, Iran Nuclear Deal) and taking a less traditional approach to alliances. This did strain relationships with traditional allies but also led to historic agreements like the Abraham Accords in the Middle East. His dealings with North Korea and Russia were unconventional, but they did not lead to major conflicts or clear destabilization of global structures.
Social Polarization and Division: Social and political polarization intensified during Trump’s first term, partly fueled by his rhetoric on issues like immigration and race. However, it’s worth noting that polarization was already increasing before his presidency. Critics argue that Trump’s style further inflamed divisions, while supporters often feel he simply exposed underlying societal divides.
Economic Policies and Deregulation: Trump implemented significant tax cuts favoring corporations and the wealthy, and he rolled back many environmental and financial regulations. This approach boosted the stock market and reduced certain industry constraints but also contributed to a larger deficit and, according to critics, increased economic inequality. His deregulation of environmental protections raised concerns about long-term ecological impacts.
Climate and Environmental Policies: Trump’s approach to climate policy was largely focused on deregulation. He withdrew the U.S. from the Paris Climate Agreement and rolled back many Obama-era environmental protections. While these actions did signal a shift away from federal climate initiatives, they can largely be reversed, and some states maintained their own environmental standards.
Civil Rights and Social Progress: Trump appointed conservative judges, including three Supreme Court justices, who shifted the court’s ideological balance. While these appointments have since influenced decisions, they didn’t immediately roll back civil rights protections during his term. However, critics worry about future rulings from a more conservative judiciary that could impact issues like reproductive rights and LGBTQ+ protections.
Public Health and Crisis Management: Trump’s handling of COVID-19 is often cited as emblematic of his approach to crises. Critics argue that his response was slow and dismissive of scientific advice, and his administration’s messaging sometimes conflicted with health agencies. On the other hand, his administration did spearhead Operation Warp Speed, which helped accelerate vaccine development. Many wonder how he might approach future public health or safety crises given this mixed track record.

In summary, while Trump’s first term did test certain norms and challenge longstanding policies, it did not result in the worst-case scenarios many feared. Some aspects of his presidency did, however, raise concerns about how he might govern in a second term, particularly regarding deregulation, foreign policy, and crisis management.

[Skybird]

He may aim - and seems to aim - at changing the very basic ruleset itself.


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/11/politics/trump-massive-power-disruption-analysis/index.html

[AVGWarhawk]

He may aim - and seems to aim - at changing the very basic ruleset itself.


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/11/politics/trump-massive-power-disruption-analysis/index.html

Ah yes, CNN. Already starting the gloom and doom. :doh:

[Otto Harkaman]

^^ Much of the analysis remains speculative, as these are potential strategies rather than confirmed plans, depending on political dynamics and legal interpretations that could limit such actions.

It speculates on how Trump might assert executive authority more aggressively, citing historical precedents and recent Supreme Court cases that could support expansive views of presidential immunity and unilateral decision-making. Analysts suggest that this approach could lead to disruptions in traditional checks and balances, sparking concerns about democratic institutions.

[Shadowblade]

https://i.ibb.co/LxyYhDq/holywood-flying-to-Canada.jpg

[Catfish]

Now you have Bollywood, for real :)

[Catfish]

Kai, I understand being in Germany that the jist of American lingo might have been lost in translation for you. [...] My apologies for the confusion.
Maybe I have to apologize, but then no one here really has to. Yes, Trump is not Hitler. But Trump endangering democracy is not that far-fetched with what happened in 2016, 2020 and his lies of "interference" and "the steal". By your law he is a convicted felon. I cannot believe that this was the last US election, but a lot of people think so – wait and see.

That Harris instantly stopped critic and accepted her losing the election is not a sign of weakness although Trump would see it that way, he would not have accepted to lose again. God knows what would have happened this time, in this regard I am almost glad he won. Regarding who lied more in the last years we sure know who the "winner" is.

Killing a police officer automatically qualifies for death penalty? Your link tells that he was working undercover (I do not know details, but not wearing a uniform?), and tells a lot of differing opinions in this case.
Harris demanded life-long prison. So Harris is an enemy of the death penalty and she has made this clear several times. The US majority does not see it that way, ok. Does this mean she is lying?

" [...] you're not aware of the warped policies of the Democratic Party here. Trust in the fact that my Countrymen said no to her candidacy. This includes sex change operations for inmates and Illegal and undocumented Migrants, all on the Tax Payers Dime that Kamala wanted. [...] "the people in the U.S are tired of the progressive liberal policies of the current administration. This is why people didn't want her."

Ok she stood for this idea and lost, does that make her a liar?
Anyway, as you said, the american people voted for Trump. Alright.

[Otto Harkaman]

By your law he is a convicted felon.

Former President Donald Trump was found guilty in May 2024 of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in New York. The charges relate to hush-money payments made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels just before the 2016 election. Trump reimbursed his then-attorney Michael Cohen for these payments, recording them as legal fees, which prosecutors argued was an intentional effort to influence the election by hiding potentially damaging information about an alleged affair


Is his conviction under appeal?

Yes, former President Donald Trump's conviction on the 34 felony counts in New York will likely be appealed, but the appeal process cannot officially begin until he is sentenced. His sentencing is scheduled for November 26, 2024, after which his legal team plans to file an appeal to challenge the guilty verdict. This appeal process could take more than six months and will start in the New York State Appellate Division, potentially reaching the New York Court of Appeals and, ultimately, the U.S. Supreme Court, depending on how rulings progress in the lower courts​

[Jimbuna]

If the appeal went as far as SCOTUS I suspect he would win.

[Otto Harkaman]

Is there any actual evidence that Donald Trump had an affair with Stormy Daniels, only verbal accusations?

The alleged affair between Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels is primarily substantiated by Daniels' own testimony, statements from former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen, and the structure of payments linked to her. Daniels claims the affair took place in 2006 and testified in court with detailed descriptions of the encounter and subsequent interactions with Trump, despite Trump's continued denial of the affair.
Michael Cohen has confirmed that he facilitated a $130,000 payment to Daniels during Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, stating he did so at Trumps direction to silence Daniels as part of a larger effort to avoid negative publicity before the election. Trumps legal team has argued that the payment was unrelated to any affair but was made to prevent a false story from impacting his campaign. Cohen testimony, as well as the structured payments labeled as legal fees, are part of the prosecution's argument that Trump falsified business records to conceal the purpose of the payment, which has led to multiple felony charges against him in New York.
The evidence thus largely centers on testimonies, admissions about the payments arrangement, and the circumstances surrounding it, rather than physical evidence of the alleged affair itself. Legal discussions during the trial focus on Daniels’ credibility and Cohen account, which supports the broader argument that Trump attempted to influence the 2016 election by suppressing negative information.

Is the Trump and Stormy Daniels picture real?

The widely circulated image purportedly showing Donald Trump, Melania Trump, and Stormy Daniels together is digitally altered. This fake image was constructed by combining separate photos: one of Donald and Melania Trump with Trump’s daughter Ivanka from an event in 2005, and another of Stormy Daniels from a 2006 awards show. Fact-checkers like PolitiFact and FactCheck.org have confirmed that this image was manipulated and does not represent an actual meeting between Trump and Daniels.
No authentic photographs have surfaced showing Trump and Daniels together, and the image was debunked as early as 2018, but it has continued to resurface amid renewed discussions around the case. The fake photo has been used on social media to imply evidence of their alleged affair, despite both parties having no verifiable public images together at the time the affair is said to have occurred​
FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2024/05/social-media-posts-circulate-altered-image-of-donald-trump-stormy-daniels/)
​PolitiFact (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/apr/24/viral-image/old-altered-photo-of-stormy-daniels-doesnt-show-he/)
.

Could Michael Cohen have been working with Stormy Daniels to make up the whole affair to blackmail Trump?

The idea that Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels might have colluded to fabricate the affair for blackmail purposes has not been substantiated by any credible evidence. Cohen and Daniels' testimonies, as well as the circumstances surrounding the hush-money payment, were part of a legal process with extensive documentation and oversight. Cohen, who was TrumpÂ’s personal attorney at the time, has publicly stated that he facilitated the payment to Daniels under Trumps direct instructions. He later testified in court about the payment arrangement, saying he was acting on TrumpÂ’s behalf to avoid potential fallout from Daniels' claims.Cohen, after his own legal battles and subsequent prison sentence, turned against Trump and became a cooperating witness, which might create questions about his motivations. However, evidence from the transaction itself, including bank records, checks, and communications, corroborates that the payment was made from Cohen to Daniels with the intent of maintaining confidentiality. Daniels’ and Cohen testimonies have also been consistent across various legal proceedings and public statements​
IJPR (https://www.ijpr.org/npr-news/2024-05-07/adult-film-star-stormy-daniels-testifies-against-trump-in-new-york-trial)
​FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2024/05/social-media-posts-circulate-altered-image-of-donald-trump-stormy-daniels/)
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Additionally, both Daniels and Cohen faced intense legal scrutiny, and their claims were subject to cross-examination. Cohen, in particular, suffered significant personal and legal repercussions, which would make a blackmail scheme risky for both of them without any guarantee of financial or legal gain. So far, the evidence supports the prosecution's version of events rather than suggesting a conspiracy between Cohen and Daniels. Is this statement true: "Cohen, who was Trumps personal attorney at the time, has publicly stated that he facilitated the payment to Daniels under Trump’s direct instructions."?

Yes, Michael Cohen publicly stated that he facilitated the payment to Stormy Daniels under Donald Trumps direct instructions. Cohen testified that he was directed by Trump to make the payment using personal funds to prevent any potential election impact from the allegations. This was further supported by Cohen admission during his 2018 court appearance, where he plead guilty to violating campaign finance laws, confirming that the payment was made “at the direction of” Trump, who was then a candidate for federal office​FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2018/05/qa-on-stormy-daniels-payment/)
What is Trump's statement?

Donald Trump has consistently denied having an affair with Stormy Daniels and argues that the $130,000 payment facilitated by his former attorney, Michael Cohen, was intended to avoid negative publicity rather than an admission of any relationship. Trump has described the payment as a "nuisance payment," intended to prevent Daniels from spreading false allegations and disrupting his family life. In various statements, Trump has also argued that this payment did not involve campaign funds and was handled through a private retainer agreement with Cohen, which he contends is common practice for high-profile figures​
PolitiFact (https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/mar/21/timeline-what-donald-trump-has-said-about-stormy-d/)
​PolitiFact (https://www.politifact.com/article/2018/may/03/timeline-donald-trumps-explanations-stormy-daniels/)
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Despite Trump's denials, Cohen testified under oath that he arranged the payment at Trumps direction to silence Daniels before the 2016 election, describing it as necessary to prevent possible damage to the campaign. Legal questions surrounding the payment have led to intense public scrutiny and multiple investigations, though the Federal Election Commission ultimately did not pursue action against Trump on related complaints​
PolitiFact (https://www.politifact.com/article/2018/may/03/timeline-donald-trumps-explanations-stormy-daniels/)
​PolitiFact (https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/may/08/trump-says-the-fec-saw-no-merit-in-the-stormy-dani/)
. So all based on one man's testimony under oath

[Commander Wallace]

Maybe I have to apologize, but then no one here really has to. Yes, Trump is not Hitler. But Trump endangering democracy is not that far-fetched with what happened in 2016, 2020 and his lies of "interference" and "the steal". By your law he is a convicted felon. I cannot believe that this was the last US election, but a lot of people think so – wait and see.

That Harris instantly stopped critic and accepted her losing the election is not a sign of weakness although Trump would see it that way, he would not have accepted to lose again. God knows what would have happened this time, in this regard I am almost glad he won. Regarding who lied more in the last years we sure know who the "winner" is.


Killing a police officer automatically qualifies for death penalty? Your link tells that he was working undercover (I do not know details, but not wearing a uniform?), and tells a lot of differing opinions in this case.
Harris demanded life-long prison. So Harris is an enemy of the death penalty and she has made this clear several times. The US majority does not see it that way, ok. Does this mean she is lying?

Ok she stood for this idea and lost, does that make her a liar?
Anyway, as you said, the american people voted for Trump. Alright.


No apologies needed, Kai. :) As I said, being from Germany, you wouldn't be aware of the Political Climate here or it's nuances. I didnt get into in depth but the Democrats lie constantly. Read up on the criminal laws that have have recently been enacted in California with regards to crime. With regards to Kamala, the point I was making was this. Kamala Called Trump a Hitler. Kamala said that voting for Trump would endanger Democracy. When Kamala lost the Election, suddenly Donald Trump wasn't a threat to Democracy anymore. It must take Kamala hours in the morning to put her makeup on as she needs to put make up on two faces, not just one.

The Democrats have long since demeaned voters and anyone who didn't agree with their warped agenda.

A number of people here don't like Trump. One reason could stem from the fact that Trump isn't very articulate or linear when he talks or gives speeches. However, Trump speaks very plainly and transparently. This resonated with a lot of people.

What has been lost on many in the Media is this : You stated Trump is a convicted Felon. Could those prosecutions and convictions be politically motivated ? Possibly. However, one thing is clear. If the vast majority of the Electorate prefered and voted overwhelmingly for as you say, a convicted Felon, what does that say of the Democratic Candidates who were overwhelmingly rejected and removed from Office ? This was a complete rejection of the radical Liberal Agenda. The Democrats and it's supporters suffered a complete meltdown as a result.

Simply put, the Election results clearly demonstrate the complete rejection and repudiation of not as much the Candidates but rather what the Candidates party stands for and It's values or lack thereof.... In this case, the Democratic party is so far to the left that they have nothing in common with the average guy with common sense. Worse, they attack that same individual that has common sense. When Kamala lost the Election, the Liberal media contention was that it had to be Racism. They can't possibly conceive that it was a rejection of their Woke Philosophies. Therefore, until they face their failed policies and agenda, the Democratic party will fail to be relevant.

I was very proud of the fact that although a number of people didn't like Trump, they realized it wasn't about them and voted for who they thought could best lead their Country. This tells me that the vast majority of people felt as I did that the U.S and it's Liberal policies were going in the wrong direction. I hope to see our Citizens reclaim happier times and prosperity.

As people know, I don't comment on Political affairs. However, this Election and it's results compelled me to post as I absolutely depised the Democratic party and It's warped views. It hardly matters but years ago, I voted for whomever I thought was best suited for the position, Republican or Democrat. In the last ten years with the extremist shift to the left, I would never vote for another Democrat. I think most feel the same way.

[Otto Harkaman]

^^ This last part the AI answered bothered me.

argues that the $130,000 payment facilitated by his former attorney, Michael Cohen, was intended to avoid negative publicity rather than an admission of any relationship. Trump has described the payment as a "nuisance payment," intended to prevent Daniels from spreading false allegations and disrupting his family life. In various statements, Trump has also argued that this payment did not involve campaign funds and was handled through a private retainer agreement with Cohen, which he contends is common practice for high-profile figures​


This is false, Trump has never made any indication the money was for Cohen's pay off scheme. It was for legal fees since Cohen was an attorney billing Trump that's why it was labelled legal fees and not payoff to horse face.

Is there any direct evidence that Trump said payments to Cohen were for Stormy Daniels?

There is no direct statement from Donald Trump acknowledging that payments to Michael Cohen were specifically intended to cover up any affair with Stormy Daniels. But the AI (which is very left biased) wants to add there is evidence but when asked more carefully it admits it is all just Cohen's testimony.

[Otto Harkaman]

Sex crimes that's all they're good for.

Whatever happened to the Cuomo brothers?

[August]

Trump is not Hitler. But Trump endangering democracy is not that far-fetched with what happened in 2016, 2020 and his lies of "interference" and "the steal".

What did Trump do in 2016 to "endanger democracy" again?

That Harris instantly stopped critic and accepted her losing the election is not a sign of weakness although Trump would see it that way, he would not have accepted to lose again.
Yeah Giggles threw in the towel the next day, hours after it became obvious she was going to loose. But what makes you an expert on how Trump would see anything? He repeatedly said that he would accept the results of a fair election. Who are you to claim otherwise?

Harris lost because she repeatedly showed herself to be a blithering idiot and a complete fake, an empty suit. It was obvious every time she spewed her meaningless word salad then degenerated into uncontrolled giggling anytime someone asked her a real question. Americans know a fool when they see one and the fact that this dufus was installed by the party elite in what looked an awful lot like a palace coup just did not play well with the voters.

She lost because of the democrats over the top propaganda. You compare somebody to hitler who isn't at all like him, or that someone is a "threat to democracy" who obviously isn't and people start not believing anything else you say about them. Godwins law right?

That also extends to the lawfare the Democrats have been waging. Twisting laws and applying them in completely novel ways, while giving your side a complete pass for doing the same thing, or worse, just makes people start seeing it for the political persecution that it is.

I also think she lost because this time the Repubs were watching the polls and the Dems couldn't do their illegal midnight ballot drops that suddenly put them over the top back in 2020. That's probably how 20 million Democrat voters just disappeared into thin air this time around. Gone into the ether that they were created from i suspect.

[Commander Wallace]

What did Trump do in 2016 to "endanger democracy" again?


Yeah Giggles threw in the towel the next day, hours after it became obvious she was going to loose. But what makes you an expert on how Trump would see anything? He repeatedly said that he would accept the results of a fair election. Who are you to claim otherwise?

Harris lost because she repeatedly showed herself to be a blithering idiot and a complete fake, an empty suit. It was obvious every time she spewed her meaningless word salad then degenerated into uncontrolled giggling anytime someone asked her a real question. Americans know a fool when they see one and the fact that this dufus was installed by the party elite in what looked an awful lot like a palace coup just did not play well with the voters.

She lost because of the democrats over the top propaganda. You compare somebody to hitler who isn't at all like him, or that someone is a "threat to democracy" who obviously isn't and people start not believing anything else you say about them. Godwins law right?

That also extends to the lawfare the Democrats have been waging. Twisting laws and applying them in completely novel ways, while giving your side a complete pass for doing the same thing, or worse, just makes people start seeing it for the political persecution that it is.

I also think she lost because this time the Repubs were watching the polls and the Dems couldn't do their illegal midnight ballot drops that suddenly put them over the top back in 2020. That's probably how 20 million Democrat voters just disappeared into thin air this time around. Gone into the ether that they were created from i suspect.


Catfish didn't compare Trump to Hitler. Catfish thought I did because he repeated what I said for clarification. I told Catfish that Kamala called Trump another Hitler so, It was a misunderstanding that I caused because I didn't word what I said properly.

You however did point out something I thought all along. Kamala was a manufactured Candidate.Trump is authentic. Enough said. :yep:

[Skybird]

Project 2025.


https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/projekt_2025_was_es_wirklich_bedeutet?_x_tr_sl=aut o&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Otto Harkaman]

Chris Wallace out at CNN after 3 years at the network

"Bronx Cheer" :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

Concerning Trump and the hush money trial. The trail never would have been held if Trump was not considering running and in fact announced he was running. In short, many did see this trial as weaponizing the DOJ.

[Aktungbby]

Project 2025.


https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/projekt_2025_was_es_wirklich_bedeutet?_x_tr_sl=aut o&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp...all adds up to the MIT projected collapse of civilization by 2040. The planet does not need a reduction of US Federal power in a period of currently ongoing WWIII, gobal warming and Covid. If nothing else, it will be interesting to see European NATO $houlder up to the Russian onslaught in Ukraine as US proxy-involvement and military support under Trump lessens or ceases altogether.

[Catfish]

Concerning Trump and the hush money trial. The trail never would have been held if Trump was not considering running and in fact announced he was running. In short, many did see this trial as weaponizing the DOJ.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/06/trump-win-what-next-legal-cases-00187635

[August]

Interesting article on American "Culture in the Age of Trump"


Although I am loath to use the phrase, I don’t think it’s remiss to call Donald Trump’s victory last week a “vibeshift.” Of course, there were substantial issues at stake, but the results were ultimately about how we live and how we feel. Something emotional and psychological was left behind and rejected. Barack Obama, the leader who inaugurated the era of politics that has now come to a definitive end, preached about the moral arc of the universe bending toward justice, while bending it toward self-enrichment for a select few (including himself). He established a new hierarchy in American culture: a chosen class of elite progressives at the top, a bureaucracy of unofficial commissars in the middle, and underclass of regressive plebs at the bottom. Obama’s smug pragmatism thus evolved into HR culture (Human Resources or Hillary Rodham—take your pick). This puritanical order reached its peak in the late 2010s after Clinton’s loss supercharged the moral certainty of the post-2008 Democratic base.

A new secular religion emerged, with “In this house we believe…” signs displaying its catechism. Identifying with Trump was portrayed as monstrous, the worst thing imaginable. For eight years, the American psyche was bombarded with negative, often fabricated stories about Trump—hoaxes, out-of-context quotes, and conspiracy theories. Relationships ended, marriages collapsed, jobs were lost. Pointless protests and cultural mini-revolutions raged. Dissenters faced punishment without due process—reflecting a manic Calvinist certainty, complete with its elect, sinners, and rituals of public shame. Yet this claustrophobic, self-satisfied paradigm has now produced exactly what it feared most: Trump’s decisive popular-vote win.

This election thus established conclusively what we’ve known for years: Americans are tired of the progressive panopticon—its constant watching, judging, and elimination of skeptics and dissenters. They don’t want to watch and be watched; they don’t want to spend so much energy figuring out who is elect and who is saved.


Tony Hinchcliffe’s “garbage” joke moment signaled something necessary: We’ll break taboos; we’ll laugh; you’ll laugh; you won’t be offended; that’s part of national politics now. Anyone who saw the Tom Brady roast earlier in the year could have seen this coming. Arguably, that was the night Trump won the election. Brady’s bros roasted him in the crudest, raunchiest ways possible. It’s on Netflix. Hinchliffe was one of the breakout stars.

After the Madison Square Garden rally, the media predictably crowed that Hinchliffe had lost Trump the Latino vote. I felt otherwise. Perhaps, on the contrary, Hinchliffe made Latinos feel part of the Trump coalition. I laugh at you; you laugh at me; you’re American too; you’re my bro. Hinchcliffe made a lot of crude jokes. Essentially, he was saying, “You can take it.”

Biden’s slip of calling Trump supporters “garbage,” revealed something totally different and totally real: the contempt of the ruling class for ordinary people. It wasn’t a joke.


Trump winning not just despite the Hinchliffe “gaffe,” but in a sense because of it, signals a fundamental shift in the American psyche: We can take a joke; we’re not fragile.


Hints of what people want instead are present in the Trump coalition. Elon Musk, for instance, represents the frontier—space, cutting-edge technology—and the idea that “the future should resemble the future.” People are tired of things getting greyer, sleeker, more “optimized,” but somehow less functional each passing year. RFK Jr, like Rep. Thomas Massie, symbolizes a desire to cultivate health and a rejection of pharmacological solutions, and a respect for and stewardship of land and nature. Vivek Ramaswamy, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Rogan stand for the right to ask “crazy” questions. These figures, all categorized by legacy media as buffoons, failures, and threats to democracy, have all gained traction by suggesting non-elites should get involved, ask questions, disrupt the narrative; that it isn’t harmful to speculate and ask for evidence; that the government shouldn’t keep secrets from us, because we are the government. You don’t have to endorse the specific ideas they entertain to find something salutary in this dynamic.


After the election of Andrew Jackson in the 1820s—when Jackson was essentially disenfranchised in 1824 before being elected in 1828—American artists like Thomas Cole, commissioned by the Federalist gentry, created works that reflected an antipathy toward the transition to a more democratic republic. The 1820s marked a lurch forward shift from a republic governed by a small cadre of hereditary elites (John Quincy Adams) to a Jacksonian republic, where working people could hold administrative positions in Washington.

Jackson himself, like Trump, was a flawed, even enigmatic figure with destructive impulses. But he also had great charisma and practical leadership abilities—a living, walking, talking contradiction. He was a central figure for the American Renaissance, which began in the 1830s (even though many of the northeastern, liberal intellectuals involved in it loathed him). Without Jackson, there would be no Emerson or Whitman: no self-reliance, no containing multitudes, no rejection of the Puritan legacy of conformity in favor of romantic self-confidence.
I suspect—and hope—2024 is a moment like 1830: a time of transformative technology, elite failure, populist revolution, intellectuals turning toward the romance of the frontier. Neither conservative nor liberal, this model is willing to entertain both modes in contradiction, comfortable with uncertainty, self-reliant, fatalistic, but also vital and expansionary. It is essentially Emersonian, rather than Nietzchean. And it might be pretty awesome.

https://www.compactmag.com/article/culture-in-the-age-of-trump/?mc_cid=2e221f3807&mc_eid=11fa7b6760

[mapuc]

Being without FB is ok(only need my daily dosis subsim)But this time I wish I had access to FB during the American election-I would give anything to see the face on those who can't stand his guts

Regarding compare Trump with Hitler.

I haven't seen or read Harris saying or writing this. I have however seen with my own eyes American friends giving Trump nickname the Fuhrer

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Concerning Trump and the hush money trial. The trail never would have been held if Trump was not considering running and in fact announced he was running. In short, many did see this trial as weaponizing the DOJ.

Even if you believe this is an example of a weaponized (god I hate that term) DOJ, they still have to bring evidence and convince a Grand Jury of Trump's peers to get an indictment.

[Jeff-Groves]

(god I hate that term)
Kind of like MAGA as a dirty word?
:har:

[August]

Even if you believe this is an example of a weaponized (god I hate that term) DOJ, they still have to bring evidence and convince a Grand Jury of Trump's peers to get an indictment.


Which as we all know; "any good prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich".

[Jeff-Groves]

Not to mention that IF the DOJ can do that to someone like Trump?
What chance would the people like me stand if they wanted to get rid of me?

[Reece]

Pack your bags Jeff!! :D

[Buddahaid]

Not to mention that IF the DOJ can do that to someone like Trump?
What chance would the people like me stand if they wanted to get rid of me?

Sooo, what crimes are you hiding?

[August]

Sooo, what crimes are you hiding?

Well if they can't find any they can just create new crimes right? Or find some novel way of applying existing ones against anyone, statute of limitations be damned, if they really want to. That has been the democrats playbook for the past 8 years.

I guess it doesn't always achieve the desired effect though, which even you must admit by now. You promised that these trumped up (no pun intended) charges and convictions would take out Trump before the election, then you promised that women will kick him to the curb on election night because of Roe v Wade.

How's all that working out for ya Bud?

[Jeff-Groves]

Sooo, what crimes are you hiding?

You talking about all the bodies I buried out back?

[August]

You talking about all the bodies I buried out back?


Yeah right in that garden you were thinking of turning over but didn't have the strength to till it all by yourself.

[Jeff-Groves]

Maybe. :haha:
What about the Female I put in a box and floated down the river?
Or the Male that it was to cold to dig a hole for so left Him near a tree in the woods?

[August]

Maybe. :haha:
What about the Female I put in a box and floated down the river?
Or the Male that it was to cold to dig a hole for so left Him near a tree in the woods?


That's funny, but saying stuff like that could be enough to put the governments eyes upon you these days. Those folks ain't got no sense of humor and neither do the Karens that will sic them on you. Ask Peanut the squirrel.

[AVGWarhawk]

Even if you believe this is an example of a weaponized (god I hate that term) DOJ, they still have to bring evidence and convince a Grand Jury of Trump's peers to get an indictment.

It is plain to see this case would never have been tried if Trump was not looking to run again. Of what purpose to try this case? To what end? Looking to roadblock Trump? Do you really believe they wanted justice to be served?

[AVGWarhawk]

https://i.imgur.com/JlpGkGj.jpg

[Buddahaid]

It is plain to see this case would never have been tried if Trump was not looking to run again. Of what purpose to try this case? To what end? Looking to roadblock Trump? Do you really believe they wanted justice to be served?

Because he’s a criminal.

[AVGWarhawk]

Because he’s a criminal.

Why yes, everyone on Capitol Hill and headed up the Whitehouse(past or present) are squeaky clean. The only difference is the DNC went after one to stop a potential second term.

[Commander Wallace]

Why yes, everyone on Capitol Hill and headed up the Whitehouse(past or present) are squeaky clean. The only difference is the DNC went after one to stop a potential second term.


:sign_yeah:

[Buddahaid]

Well we’ll all just have to soak up all the wonderful brilliant things Trump will bring to our future. I expect a lot of Trump supporter's will be whining before long.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well we’ll all just have to soak up all the wonderful brilliant things Trump will bring to our future. I expect a lot of Trump supporter's will be whining before long.

You know, William Shatner is not the greatest actor in the business. However, he surrounded himself with top notch actors and actresses. The Star Trek franchise is very successful as a result.

As it stands now, Trumps cabinet is being staffed with excellent choices. He will be fine.

[Jeff-Groves]

I expect a lot of Trump supporter's will be whining before long.
You think it will be worse then the whining I'm hearing from Dems right now?
:hmmm:

[August]

Tulsi Gabbard Director of National Intelligence. :)


There's not going to be any more Quiet Skies for somebody...

Matt Gaetz for Attorney General. Now there is another pick thats going to ruffle some feathers.

Well weÂ’ll all just have to soak up all the wonderful brilliant things Trump will bring to our future. I expect a lot of Trump supporter's will be whining before long.

Or maybe not, but I must say that all these Dem tears are simply delicious!

I especially get a kick of of all those blue haired women with the nose rings who never had sex with men before now tearfully declaring that they would no longer have sex with men in the future because men had helped elect Trump. :har:

[Jeff-Groves]

Gonna be a lot of Dem Males whacking the monkey!
:har:

Oh! I'm sorry! I shouldn't have been Gender specific.
:roll:

[Reece]

Or maybe not, but I must say that all these Dem tears are simply delicious!

I especially get a kick of of all those blue haired women with the nose rings who never had sex with men before now tearfully declaring that they would no longer have sex with men in the future because men had helped elect Trump. :har:

Post of the year!! :har::har::har:

[Buddahaid]

https://apnews.com/article/trump-transition-planning-ca3a6be50d147b04b6498184e5599b1e

And so, the President Elect is already not complying with the rules. A great start!

[AVGWarhawk]

https://apnews.com/article/trump-transition-planning-ca3a6be50d147b04b6498184e5599b1e

And so, the President Elect is already not complying with the rules. A great start!

Funny, he told Biden today it will be a smooth transition. But what president hasn't bent the rules every now and then. BTW, did Trump ever turn over his tax returns?

And for poops and giggles, many in the transition team/cabinet are already vetted. In short, AP news is basically blowing smoke for no good reason.

I hope the W key are still in place for Trump's arrival.

[Commander Wallace]

Or maybe not, but I must say that all these Dem tears are simply delicious!

I especially get a kick of of all those blue haired women with the nose rings who never had sex with men before now tearfully declaring that they would no longer have sex with men in the future because men had helped elect Trump. :har:


That and the Women that were up in arms about Abortions being prohibited. I noticed most of these women were Individuals that men wouldn't want to have sex with anyhow. I told everyone, if abortions are important, watch Stephen Colbert Or Jimmy Kimmel. Then again, most Democrat " women " suspiciously have Male parts anyhow. Best to pass on that. :har: Lots of Republican Women voted for Trump. he grabbed 55% or better. Most of whom also voted for Trump. :D

[Buddahaid]

That and the Women that were up in arms about Abortions being prohibited. I noticed most of these women were Individuals that men wouldn't want to have sex with anyhow. I told everyone, if abortions are important, watch Stephen Colbert Or Jimmy Kimmel. Then again, most Democrat " women " suspiciously have Male parts anyhow. Best to pass on that. :har: Lots of Republican Women voted for Trump. he grabbed 55% or better. Most of whom also voted for Trump. :D
Where did the adults go?

[Commander Wallace]

Where did the adults go?


Adults ?

[Skybird]

Funny, he told Biden today it will be a smooth transition.
No, it was Biden promising a smooth transition to Trump, and Trump thanked him for that. ;)

[AVGWarhawk]

No, it was Biden promising a smooth transition to Trump, and Trump thanked him for that. ;)

True. I'm guessing Biden voted for Trump. At any rate, of what use would it be for Trump not to be part of a smooth transition? I didn't play well last time. ��

[Buddahaid]

I hope you all have read up on Project 2025 because it’s being brought to life by the cabinet picks. Enjoy.

[AVGWarhawk]

I hope you all have read up on Project 2025 because it’s being brought to life by the cabinet picks. Enjoy.

Sigh...... I'm sure the democrats on Capitol Hill did not read it. They have trouble just reading a bill. Let's sign it so we can go home. Maybe we can read it after the fact.

Anyway, I read the forward. I do not see a problem here. But that is just me. I will read it in it's entirety.

[Skybird]

I hope you all have read up on Project 2025 because it’s being brought to life by the cabinet picks. Enjoy.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2932627&postcount=10589

[August]

Project 2025. The Dems plucked it out of obscurity and tried to claim that they were Trumps marching orders although he had never heard of it until they brought it up.



In any case like AVG said there seems to be a lot of good things in it. What parts in particular has the left so riled up over it?

[mapuc]

Trump is not your President yet

First he has to go trough the Electroral votes
Here you can bet your soul on that the will be many who will try to affect those people.

Second he has to go through the Vice President approval which is somewhere in the middle of Jan. -25
Don't know if there's anything Harris has in order to refuse the result.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Project 2025. The Dems plucked it out of obscurity and tried to claim that they were Trumps marching orders although he had never heard of it until they brought it up.



In any case like AVG said there seems to be a lot of good things in it. What parts in particular has the left so riled up over it?

Give it a read. I started a new thread to get a discussion going on it.

[Aktungbby]

Trump is not your President yet

First he has to go trough the Electroral votes


Markus...in fact we should 'trough' the Electoral vote altogether! :O::yep::arrgh!: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2CEWGYT/piglet-in-a-sty-on-a-pig-farm-in-the-south-downs-national-park-next-to-the-south-downs-way-near-steyning-west-sussex-uk-2CEWGYT.jpg https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trough IE: in English slang, to ''trough'' something is to toss it away.

[Dargo]

What is karma doing? Satirical news site The Onion won the auction to acquire conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’ Infowars, which was sold off as part of a defamation settlement after he falsely called the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre a hoax.

The Onion’s bid was backed by the families of eight victims of school shooting and one first responder. It also will have an exclusive advertising deal with the gun control group Everytown for Gun Safety. CNN was first to report the humor web site had entered the bidding. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/14/business/onion-alex-jones-infowars-auction/index.html “The Onion is proud to acquire Infowars, and we look forward to continuing its storied tradition of scaring the site’s users with lies until they fork over their cold, hard cash,” said The Onion CEO Ben Collins. “Or Bitcoin. We will also accept Bitcoin.”

[August]

Trump is not your President yet

First he has to go trough the Electroral votes
Here you can bet your soul on that the will be many who will try to affect those people.

Second he has to go through the Vice President approval which is somewhere in the middle of Jan. -25
Don't know if there's anything Harris has in order to refuse the result.

Markus


The Democrats have prosecuted people who replace Electors and the VPs role in the process is purely ceremonial. The Dems enacted a law to making that crystal clear after the last election.

[Skybird]

Kennedy does not get just an extraordinary special position like Musk, but indeed becomes health minister. Wowh. I support his posiiton on the health crisis, but he seems to have also done and talked a lot of nut stuff in the past.



Again, with this pick Trump stays loyal to himself and rewards those who committed themselves to him.



I would prefer they officially and formally all commit themselves to the constitution, not the man. Doing that alone already would be revolutionary enough in modern times.

[August]

I would prefer they officially and formally all commit themselves to the constitution, not the man. Doing that alone already would be revolutionary enough in modern times.

All of Trumps nominees, including Trump himself, have publicly and formally committed themselves to the US Constitution in the past and will take an oath to defend it before they take office.

So stop with the Hitler comparisons already. We are not Weimar Germany or the Third Reich and we will never be.

[Catfish]

What is karma doing?
re Alex Jones Infowars and The Onion lol

But what about Roger Stone.. not sure you can watch this "The storm foretold", a film by danish Christoffer Guldbrandsen.
Even the loyal ones got dropped.

https://www.ardmediathek.de/video/der-trump-einfluesterer-der-republikanische-koenigsmacher-roger-stone/a-storm-foretold/swr/Y3JpZDovL3N3ci5kZS9hZXgvbzIxMzQxMzA

[Aktungbby]

seems to have also done and talked a lot of nut stuff in the past. ...well, if you'd seen your uncle Jack F., and dad Robert F. assassinated on public TV in your formative years by a self-described patsy, Oswald; and a man, Sirhan² standing in front (while the gunshot wounds were to the rear??) you'd be entitled to be a little nuts too:timeout:.....but at age 70, after 61 years, lets hope he's outgrown his childhood trauma IE: errrr 'Merikan politics as usual?!!

[Dargo]

re Alex Jones Infowars and The Onion lol

But what about Roger Stone.. not sure you can watch this "The storm foretold", a film by danish Christoffer Guldbrandsen.
Even the loyal ones got dropped.

https://www.ardmediathek.de/video/der-trump-einfluesterer-der-republikanische-koenigsmacher-roger-stone/a-storm-foretold/swr/Y3JpZDovL3N3ci5kZS9hZXgvbzIxMzQxMzAYeah they are all out and broke they paid their price for their loyalty. The same will happen with the current people, it is waiting for Trump to dump them if they do not do what he wants.

[Otto Harkaman]

This whole transition thing makes me think of the House Atreides taking over the planet Arrakis from the House Harkonnen :-?

[Jimbuna]

This whole transition thing makes me think of the House Atreides taking over the planet Arrakis from the House Harkonnen :-?

One might say that is a pretty good analogy :)

[Skybird]

No, it reminds of the Harkonnen later retaking Arrakis and wiping the Atreides out.

[Gorpet]

Kennedy does not get just an extraordinary special position like Musk, but indeed becomes health minister. Wowh. I support his posiiton on the health crisis, but he seems to have also done and talked a lot of nut stuff in the past.



Again, with this pick Trump stays loyal to himself and rewards those who committed themselves to him.



I would prefer they officially and formally all commit themselves to the constitution, not the man. Doing that alone already would be revolutionary enough in modern times.

And can you say the same, Of your own government? It would seem in all these years, Germans are wanting freedom, But the Europeans , say no ****in,way. Maybe It's time you get your own Donald Trump .

That sir is the million dollar question.

Well, he was a President.

[QUOTE=mapuc;2932933]Trump is not your President yet

First he has to go trough the Electroral votes
Here you can bet your soul on that the will be many who will try to affec

[em2nought]

I wonder if anybody told Jimmy Carter that President Trump won the election?

[Gorpet]

How? By making strangers cry? :hmmm:
That isn't being gracious, its being a bully. :yep:

I've read that "vets" turned out for Trump.
Trust me, this "vet" DID NOT vote for Trump. :yep:
To be fair, almost all of my "vet buddies" served during some part of the old Cold War. THEY did not vote for Trump.

:Kaleun_Goofy:

Well, you old vets from the cold war, Did you support Joe Biden and his sudden exit from Afghanistan to support a new proxy Ukraine war against Russia.? And tell me old war vet.What war did the United States send money and advisers into that, We did not have our own young boots on the ground ?

I wonder if anybody told Jimmy Carter that President Trump won the election?

Jimmy, He was a good ex Pres.He walked away put on a nail aprun, Built houses and was a good man. Unfortunately, We can't say that about any Pres. after him.

I wonder if anybody told Jimmy Carter that President Trump won the election?

Jimmy, He was a good ex Pres.He walked away put on a nail aprun, Built houses and was a good man. Unfortunately, We can't say that about any Pres. after him.

[em2nought]

Jimmy, He was a good ex Pres.He walked away put on a nail aprun, Built houses and was a good man. Unfortunately, We can't say that about any Pres. after him.


Those democrats made a big show out of what looked like his lifeless corpse just wanting to hold on long enough to vote against Trump.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/watch-jimmy-carter-wheeled-outside-shocking-condition-celebrate/

[Hawk66]

All of Trumps nominees, including Trump himself, have publicly and formally committed themselves to the US Constitution in the past and will take an oath to defend it before they take office.

So stop with the Hitler comparisons already. We are not Weimar Germany or the Third Reich and we will never be.

No, it is not Weimar. But you described it correctly, "formally". I am not a lawyer, but I highly doubt that the fathers of the US constitution would think that the behavior of Trump and his hard-core fellows is aligned with the spirit of the constitution. I guess I do not have to give examples.

But yeah, another 4 years of Trump. Could be more boring. Surely fun.

[August]

No, it is not Weimar. But you described it correctly, "formally". I am not a lawyer, but I highly doubt that the fathers of the US constitution would think that the behavior of Trump and his hard-core fellows is aligned with the spirit of the constitution. I guess I do not have to give examples.


I suspect that's because you don't have any to give. It's much easier to make wild accusations if you don't have to back them up with facts.

[Commander Wallace]

No, it is not Weimar. But you described it correctly, "formally". I am not a lawyer, but I highly doubt that the fathers of the US constitution would think that the behavior of Trump and his hard-core fellows is aligned with the spirit of the constitution. I guess I do not have to give examples.

But yeah, another 4 years of Trump. Could be more boring. Surely fun.


I think you are being rather presumptuous. In fact, if the Migrants ( Invaders ) are deemed to be dangerous, which they are, then the President has broad discretionary powers to deal with these threats.


The President’s Constitutional Authority to Conduct
Military Operations Against Terrorists and
Nations Supporting Them


The President has broad constitutional power to take military action in response to the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001. Congress has acknowledged this inherent executive power in both the War Powers Resolution and the Joint Resolution passed by Congress on September 14, 2001

The President has constitutional power not only to retaliate against any person, organization, or state suspected of involvement in terrorist attacks on the United States, but also against foreign states suspected of harboring or supporting such organizations.

The President may deploy military force preemptively against terrorist organizations or the states that harbor or support them, whether or not they can be linked to the specific terrorist incidents of September 11.

September 25, 2001

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/2001/09/31/op-olc-v025-p0188_0.pdf

This Gives the President of the United States the Power to conduct operations deemed vital to the security of U.S Territory including against ANY, I repeat, ANY State harboring Individuals considered a threat to the Citizens of The United States.

Further, there is the Supremacy Clause.

The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States) (Article VI, Clause 2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Six_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Supr emacy)) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_United_States) made pursuant to it, and treaties (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty) made under its authority, constitute the "supreme Law of the Land", and thus take priority over any conflicting state laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_law_(United_States)).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause#cite_note-A6C2NCC-1)

It provides that state courts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_court_(United_States)) are bound by, and state constitutions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_constitution_(United_States)) subordinate to, the supreme law.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause#cite_note-2) However, federal statutes and treaties must be within the parameters of the Constitution;[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause#cite_note-3) that is, they must be pursuant to the federal government's enumerated powers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumerated_powers), and not violate other constitutional limits on federal power, such as the Bill of Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights)—of particular interest is the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) , which states that the federal government has only those powers that are delegated to it by the Constitution.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause#cite_note-4)

It is the responsibility of the United States Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Supreme_Court) in that case to exercise the power of judicial review (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review_in_the_United_States): the ability to invalidate a statute (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute) for violating a provision of the Constitution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

Ask Nursing Student Laken Riley if the Migrants are a threat. Oh, that's right. We can't. This beautiful young Woman was brutally murdered by one of these Migrant pieces of garbage from Venezuela. This bright, young, beautiful Woman was going to be something and quite honestly, was already. Laken's life would have been about helping people. Now, she is gone and her Parents have been given a life sentence.

The demographics for the Migrants coming here show that they are predominately between the ages of 16 to 35, I believe I read. Considering the crimes they have committed, they aren't here seeking asylum, they are here on a hunting expedition. I hope after President Elect Trump is Inaugurated, we return the favor in spades. :yep:


Any questions ?

[Moonlight]

Ask Nursing Student Laken Riley if the Migrants are a threat. Oh, that's right. We can't. This beautiful young Woman was brutally murdered by one of these Migrant pieces of garbage from Venezuela. This bright, young, beautiful Woman was going to be something and quite honestly, was already. Laken's life would have been about helping people. Now, she is gone and her Parents have been given a life sentence.

The demographics for the Migrants coming here show that they are predominately between the ages of 16 to 35, I believe I read. Considering the crimes they have committed, they aren't here seeking asylum, they are here on a hunting expedition. I hope after President Elect Trump is Inaugurated, we return the favor in spades. :yep:

Any questions ?

No, it's exactly the same as what's happening in the UK with these Migrant Scum we're being invaded by, Trump might be able to do something about these migrants, but here in poor old Blighty, we have politicians who give them money, housing and free healthcare, who wouldn't want some of that?. :doh:

[Commander Wallace]

No, it's exactly the same as what's happening in the UK with these Migrant Scum we're being invaded by, Trump might be able to do something about these migrants, but here in poor old Blighty, we have politicians who give them money, housing and free healthcare, who wouldn't want some of that?. :doh:

I had been completly unaware of the issues that the U.K was dealing with, until recently. I had a conversation here in the U.S with a friend who lives in the U.K. I was taken aback by how closely our situations mirror each other. Apparently, you have stupid people and politicians in charge the same as we do. I would bet we have more of them, pound for pound. The Democrats here are a sorry, pathetic and dangerous lot.

I'm sure Trump is being watched the world over and Trump knows it. If President Trump is sucessful and I'm betting he will be, maybe England will take a page out of our playbook and do the same. The people in England deserve better the same as ours do. I believe Germany was or is suffering similar situations as well.

I well and truly hope things get better there in the U.K and in short order. I have a number of friends both here and in my private life that are either from Australia, England or Germany. I'm wondering what that's all about. :hmmm: :haha:

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that ethnically speaking, I'm German / Scots. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

how predictable.

https://youtu.be/lU4WCbp-jhE?si=vW5GqA86ShidAhl1

[Aktungbby]

Yeah, that's my thinking. I do not believe that every breathing person should be entitled to vote. There should be some kind of qualification: served in the military, pays income tax, knows how many states there are... something. It's stupid to let welfare lifers, criminals, non-citizens, and imbeciles pick our leaders....speaking rudimentary Ingrish would be a decent qualifier!:yeah::O::arrgh!:

[mapuc]

Read in a Danish newspaper Day before yesterday about a group of women who had started a joint sect where they refuse to have anything to do with men who have voted Trump

Markus

[u crank]

Read in a Danish newspaper Day before yesterday about a group of women who had started a joint sect where they refuse to have anything to do with men who have voted Trump

Markus

You do realize Markus that men will lie about just about anything for sex. Including who they voted for.

:D:D:D

[Catfish]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata

[em2nought]

You do realize Markus that men will lie about just about anything for sex. Including who they voted for.

:D:D:D


You do realize that even democrat men probably don't want to date those chicks. :D

[Commander Wallace]

You do realize that even democrat men probably don't want to date those chicks. :D


You do realize that democrat men don't know the difference and probably don't care either. :haha:

[vienna]

Another thing for snowflake Trump to bitch and whine about: his incredible shrinking "epic" "mandate"...


Donald Trump Has Not Won a Majority of the Votes Cast for President --

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/donald-trump-vote-margin-narrowed/



<O>

[Jeff-Groves]

Hell. You may as well cite CNN as that rag.
:haha:

[vienna]

Hell. You may as well cite CNN as that rag.
:haha:

Hell, it doesn't make any real difference: the numbers are still the numbers, no matter who is reporting; I wonder how soon before we hear the Great Orange Crybaby start to whine that he actually won by a"yuuge" margin and that the popular vote count was manipulated to deny him his "epic mandate"...


<O>

[em2nought]

Italy is offering houses for $1 to anyone wanting to flee the USA due to all of us garbage folks winning the election. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/italian-village-offers-1-homes-104905303.html

[u crank]

Hell, it doesn't make any real difference: the numbers are still the numbers, no matter who is reporting; I wonder how soon before we hear the Great Orange Crybaby start to whine that he actually won by a"yuuge" margin and that the popular vote count was manipulated to deny him his "epic mandate"...

Well regardless as to who is doing the whining, Trump and the Republicans have a fairly solid mandate. Enjoy.

:up:

[Skybird]

https://www-tagesspiegel-de.translate.goog/internationales/beraterin-ubt-nach-us-wahl-heftige-kritik-demokraten-haben-es-nicht-geschafft-als-partei-des-gesunden-menschenverstands-aufzutreten-12730835.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Advisor criticizes heavily after US election: “Democrats have failed to act as a party of common sense”. Criticism of the police and linguistic contortions have alienated Americans from the Democrats, complains party strategist Julie Roginsky. About the anger of ordinary people.

[ET2SN]

Meanwhile...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZEIMQ42-oU

:hmmm:

[Gorpet]

Hell, it doesn't make any real difference: the numbers are still the numbers, no matter who is reporting; I wonder how soon before we hear the Great Orange Crybaby start to whine that he actually won by a"yuuge" margin and that the popular vote count was manipulated to deny him his "epic mandate"...


<O>

Well, It would seem that the People have voted. And their sick and tired of being sick and tired. I don't know about you.But every time one of these politicians get elected its's 4or8 years of my life. And i will tell you what, if i was worth a couple million dollars i wouldn't give a ****.
I'm a blue collar worker. And let's put the college education in this barrel.There's so many of you that can't read,write,and do basic arithmetic. And you fail in every level of life. And those of us who have merit and common sense you are afraid of.
We may not have your bought diplomas, But there is one thing you cant do without.Plumbers,Electricians and HVAC. And guess what.If any of these tech's had your money,They could be your neighbors
.And on the other hand as the uneducated,we could say fix it yourself and we will have a beer and watch and wait for your college education to kick in.

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/RsoZLL6euUk?si=bgKEBdclIisZW-4Y


Recent developments along the Texas-Mexico border highlight significant cartel activity, with implications for both security and migration policies.


Drug Trafficking and Cartel Operations: U.S. authorities recently dismantled operations linked to the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (CJNG), one of the most powerful cartels in Mexico. A Texas-based trafficker was sentenced to 40 years for smuggling large quantities of methamphetamine and cocaine into the U.S., laundering millions, and coordinating logistics with Mexican suppliers​
Shore News Network (https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2024/11/22/cartel-linked-meth-trafficker-sentenced-to-40-years-in-federal-prison/)
.
Migrant Flow Control: Cartels maintain strict control over migration routes in Mexico, often holding migrants captive until they pay ransom to continue their journey north. This has resulted in a dual crisis of human trafficking and abuse at the hands of criminal networks. U.S. and Mexican authorities have stepped up enforcement, but cartel dominance remains a major obstacle​
Spectrum Local News (https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2024/10/30/mexican-cartels-manage-flow-of-migrants-on-the-way-to-border)
​Homepage (https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/operation-lone-star-busts-mexican-drug-cartels-expanding-reach)
.
U.S. Border Security Efforts: Initiatives like Texas's "Operation Lone Star" aim to curb cartel influence through arrests and drug seizures. However, the border remains a hotbed for smuggling and unauthorized crossings, despite recent drops in migrant encounters attributed to policy changes​
WOLA (https://www.wola.org/2024/09/weekly-u-s-mexico-border-update-asylum-rule-mexico-data-cbp-one-2024-campaign-migrant-deaths/)
​Homepage (https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/operation-lone-star-busts-mexican-drug-cartels-expanding-reach)
.
Cartel-Driven Violence: The ongoing rivalry between major cartels like CJNG and the Sinaloa Cartel continues to fuel violence in border regions. This has spurred efforts by Mexican and U.S. authorities to target high-level cartel leaders and disrupt transnational operations​
Spectrum Local News (https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2024/10/30/mexican-cartels-manage-flow-of-migrants-on-the-way-to-border)
.

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/3Z5nW76pKVw?si=MKw-exBSrY2EoHJ8

The Jalisco New Generation Cartel (CJNG) is one of the most powerful and violent criminal organizations in Mexico. Known for its rapid rise and brutal tactics, CJNG operates across much of Mexico and extends its influence internationally. Below is an overview of its activities and significance:

Background


Formation: The CJNG emerged in the late 2000s as a faction of the Milenio Cartel, eventually becoming independent under the leadership of Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes, known as El Mencho.
Headquarters: The cartel is based in the state of Jalisco but operates in numerous Mexican states and internationally, including the U.S., Europe, and Asia.

Operations


Drug Trafficking:

CJNG is a major player in smuggling synthetic drugs, including methamphetamine and fentanyl, as well as cocaine into the United States.
The cartel controls key trafficking routes and uses sophisticated methods, such as submarines and drones, to transport drugs.


Violence:

CJNG is notorious for its extreme violence, including public displays of brutality, to intimidate rivals and authorities.
It has been involved in high-profile attacks against law enforcement, including a 2020 assassination attempt on Mexico City's police chief.


Territorial Control:

The cartel has fought violent turf wars with other groups, especially the Sinaloa Cartel, over key drug routes and territories.
States like Michoacán, Veracruz, and Guerrero have been hotspots for CJNG-related violence.



Leadership and Structure


Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes (El Mencho):

One of the world's most-wanted criminals, with a $10 million reward from the U.S. government for information leading to his capture.
Under his leadership, CJNG has adopted a highly centralized and militaristic organizational structure.


Key Figures:

Several high-ranking CJNG members, including Oseguera's family, have been arrested, but the group has shown resilience in maintaining its operations.



Impact and Challenges


Humanitarian Consequences:

The cartel’s activities contribute to mass displacement and violence in affected regions.
Migrants and local communities are often caught in the crossfire or exploited by CJNG.


Law Enforcement Challenges:

CJNG's financial resources and global networks make it difficult to dismantle.
Corruption within Mexican institutions complicates enforcement efforts.


U.S. Collaboration:

Joint U.S.-Mexico operations aim to disrupt the cartel’s operations, including extraditions, financial sanctions, and intelligence sharing.



Recent Developments


Law enforcement recently linked CJNG to major drug busts in Texas, highlighting its extensive smuggling operations【8†source】.
Violent clashes between CJNG and rival cartels, particularly the Sinaloa Cartel, continue to destabilize regions like Michoacán and Zacatecas【9†source】【10†source】.

[Skybird]

https://youtube.com/shorts/YWCq1OiKt6c?si=7LaBXicwhV200dhD

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/o5Xkf8sOR90?si=lho1h_evfNAOOkv3

[August]

Political cases suffer a political defeat. :)

Judge dismisses Jan. 6 case against Trump as prez-elect calls prosecution ‘political hijacking’: ‘Low point in the History of our Country’

A judge Monday dismissed the charges against Donald Trump related to the Jan. 6 riots after Special Counsel Jack Smith threw in the towel — with the president-elect bashing the case as solely “political hijacking.”
Presiding US District Judge Tanya Chutkan ​of Washington, DC, granted​ Smith’s motion filed ​earlier Monday seeking to dismiss the charges​ based on Trump’s victory in the 2024 presidential election and​ the precedent against indicting a sitting US president​.
Smith​’s team ​also separately moved ​Monday to end its appeal of a Florida judge’s decision nixing Smith’s classified document case against Trump — once considered one of the strongest in a slew of legal indictments against the Republican.

[Buddahaid]

But will Jack Smith and the DOJ release their findings to the public?

[Otto Harkaman]

^ I hope we get to investigate the FBI involvement in Jan 6

Me: How many FBI agents were in the crowd at the capitol on Jan 6th?

AI Bing answer:
During the events at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, the FBI had a significant presence, including paid informants and undercover agents. However, the exact number of FBI agents in the crowd remains a matter of speculation and controversy.
Here are some key points:


Paid Informants:

The FBI had multiple paid informants present during the Capitol riot.
At least one informant was communicating with an FBI handler as they entered the Capitol.
The FBI lost track of the total number of informants and later conducted an audit to determine the exact count (https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/fbi-lost-count-of-number-of-informants-at-capitol-on-jan-6-ex-official/)1 (https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/fbi-lost-count-of-number-of-informants-at-capitol-on-jan-6-ex-official/)2 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2023/09/19/so-fbi-agents-did-have-paid-informants-at-the-capitol-on-january-6-n2628661).


Undercover Agents:

Former Capitol Hill Police Chief Steven Sund stated that the FBI had at least 18 undercover agents in the crowd.
Additionally, an estimated 20 agents from the Department of Homeland Security were also present (https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/fbi-lost-count-of-number-of-informants-at-capitol-on-jan-6-ex-official/)1 (https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/fbi-lost-count-of-number-of-informants-at-capitol-on-jan-6-ex-official/).


Comparison to Other Defendants:

Ray Epps, a former Marine and Trump supporter, was accused of being an FBI agent who incited violence during the riot.
Epps was sentenced to one year of probation for a misdemeanor charge related to his role in the Capitol attack (https://www.newsweek.com/ray-epps-sentence-compared-january-6-defendants-capitol-riot-1859224)3 (https://www.newsweek.com/ray-epps-sentence-compared-january-6-defendants-capitol-riot-1859224).
His case highlights the complexities of comparing outcomes for different defendants (https://www.newsweek.com/ray-epps-sentence-compared-january-6-defendants-capitol-riot-1859224)3 (https://www.newsweek.com/ray-epps-sentence-compared-january-6-defendants-capitol-riot-1859224).



In summary, while the exact number of FBI agents remains unclear, their presence underscores the intricate dynamics of the events on January 6th.

Me: Ray Epps sentencing Jan 6th

AI Bing answer:
Ray Epps, a former United States Marine and Oath Keepers chapter president, faced legal consequences for his involvement in the January 6, 2021 Capitol riot. Here’s what happened:


Charge and Plea:

Epps was charged with one count of disorderly or disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds.
He pleaded guilty to this misdemeanor charge in September 2023.


Sentence:

Epps received one year of probation as part of his sentence.
Additionally, he was fined $25, ordered to pay $500 in restitution, and perform 100 hours of community service.


Conspiracy Theories:

Conspiracy theories circulated, alleging that Epps was an undercover government agent acting on behalf of the FBI.
Epps and federal prosecutors denied these claims.


Comparison to Other Defendants:

Epps is the only defendant sentenced with just one count of disorderly conduct.
Comparing outcomes, some similarities exist:

Prosecutors sought six months of prison time, which is the maximum sentence for this charge.
Epps’ attorney requested six months of probation for his client.
Other January 6 defendants received varying sentences, including prison time, supervised release, community service, and restitution (https://www.newsweek.com/ray-epps-sentence-compared-january-6-defendants-capitol-riot-1859224)1 (https://www.newsweek.com/ray-epps-sentence-compared-january-6-defendants-capitol-riot-1859224).





In summary, Epps’ sentencing reflects the complexities and variations in legal outcomes related to the Capitol riot.

https://youtu.be/zEDamt4YaXM?si=MWYh8-9wtMQQgpOK

https://youtu.be/QHEEGxQKg20?si=-9ewaFI3kGf0-Lcu

[AVGWarhawk]

But will Jack Smith and the DOJ release their findings to the public?

It has been 4 years. What else is there to find?

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/evRIetWVqQk?si=9taN684slwmP-J4m

The January 6 Committee, formally known as the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, was a bipartisan (?) committee formed by the U.S. House of Representatives in July 2021. Its primary purpose was to investigate the events of January 6, 2021, when a mob of supporters of then-President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to disrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election results.
Key Objectives:


Understand the Attack: Examine the events leading up to and during the attack, including the planning, coordination, and execution of the breach.
Accountability: Determine the roles of various individuals and groups, including elected officials and extremist organizations.
Recommendations: Propose measures to prevent similar events in the future, addressing security vulnerabilities and systemic issues.

Committee Composition:


The committee initially included nine members: seven Democrats and two Republicans (Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger), both of whom were vocal critics of Trump’s actions surrounding January 6.
It was chaired by Representative Bennie Thompson (D-MS), with Cheney serving as vice chair.

Major Findings:

In its hearings and final report released in late 2022, the committee highlighted:


Trump’s significant role in promoting baseless claims of election fraud, which fueled the events of January 6.
Efforts by Trump and his allies to pressure state officials, the Justice Department, and even Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the election results.
Widespread security failures, both in intelligence sharing and law enforcement response.

Recommendations:

The committee proposed reforms, including:


Overhauling the Electoral Count Act to clarify the Vice President's role in the certification process.
Strengthening Capitol security.
Possible legal referrals for individuals involved in attempts to subvert the election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/public/GSIS7FHVZYI6ZAO3VQD2HFFINM_size-normalized.jpg&w=1200
Legacy:

The January 6 Committee's work has been both praised and criticized. Supporters view it as a crucial effort to uphold democracy, while critics, particularly Trump allies, have dismissed it as politically motivated. Its findings have been referenced in ongoing legal cases, including the federal and state investigations into Trump’s actions surrounding the 2020 election.

[Otto Harkaman]

What were the sources for this allegation: "In its hearings and final report released in late 2022, the committee highlighted; Trump’s significant role in promoting baseless claims of election fraud, which fueled the events of January 6."

The January 6 Committee's allegations about Trump’s role in promoting baseless claims of election fraud were based on a combination of evidence gathered through witness testimony, documents, and communications. Here are the primary sources the committee relied upon:

1. Testimony from Close Aides and Officials


White House Staff: Testimony from Trump administration officials, including former White House lawyers (e.g., Pat Cipollone) and advisors, indicated that many within Trump’s inner circle knew the election fraud claims were unfounded.
Campaign Officials: Individuals like Bill Stepien, Trump’s campaign manager, testified about the lack of evidence for fraud and internal disputes between advisors urging Trump to accept the loss versus those advocating legal challenges.
Justice Department Officials: Former acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and other DOJ officials testified about Trump pressuring them to investigate and support baseless claims of fraud.

2. Trump’s Public Statements


The committee reviewed numerous speeches, tweets, and interviews in which Trump repeatedly claimed the election was "stolen" or "rigged" without evidence. Notably, his speech at the Ellipse on January 6 called on supporters to "fight like hell."

3. Internal Communications


Texts, emails, and memos were obtained from Trump allies and campaign staff. These included drafts of statements and internal communications showing that some advisors acknowledged the lack of evidence for fraud.
For example, Trump campaign lawyer Eric Herschmann reportedly warned against advancing claims that were unsupported by facts.

4. State-Level Evidence


Testimony from state officials like Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who described Trump's call urging him to "find" enough votes to overturn the state's results.

5. Testimony on the Role of Extremist Groups


Evidence suggested Trump’s rhetoric emboldened groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, who interpreted his claims and public statements as a call to action.

6. Insights from Legal Challenges


The committee referenced the outcomes of dozens of lawsuits filed by Trump’s legal team. The vast majority were dismissed due to lack of evidence, further undermining the fraud claims.

These sources, combined with the timeline and coordination efforts revealed during the hearings, were used to support the committee's assertion that Trump played a central role in propagating false election fraud narratives that ultimately incited the January 6 Capitol attack.

[Otto Harkaman]

Did the FBI infiltrate the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers?

Yes, evidence has shown that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies had infiltrated extremist groups like the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers before and during the events surrounding January 6, 2021. This infiltration is part of standard law enforcement tactics to monitor potential criminal or violent activities within such organizations.

Key Points on FBI Infiltration:


Use of Informants:

The FBI reportedly used confidential informants and undercover agents to gather intelligence on groups like the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers.
Court filings and media reports have revealed that informants were present during planning meetings and even on the ground at the Capitol on January 6.
For instance, one high-ranking member of the Proud Boys was identified as a long-time FBI informant, providing insights into the group’s activities before January 6.


Extent of Infiltration:

Testimonies and documents in legal proceedings indicate that informants provided information about plans for rallies, security measures, and other activities leading up to January 6.
The exact depth of the FBI's knowledge has been debated, with questions about whether they could have done more to prevent the Capitol attack.


Impact on Investigations:

Information obtained from informants was used in prosecutions of key leaders and members of these groups. For example:

Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio was convicted of seditious conspiracy and other charges.
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes was also convicted of seditious conspiracy.




Controversies and Debates:

Some critics have questioned whether the FBI’s infiltrations provided adequate warning to prevent the January 6 attack.
Others have speculated whether informants or undercover agents had any role in escalating tensions, though no credible evidence has emerged to suggest this.



The use of informants and infiltration is a standard tactic in monitoring extremist groups and preventing violence. In the case of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, it played a role in understanding their organizational structure and holding leaders accountable for their roles in the January 6 events.

[Buddahaid]

It has been 4 years. What else is there to find?

The evidence perhaps but maybe not as the case was dismissed without prejudice and can be refiled later. Jack Smith is required to make a report, and we'll see if Garland releases it which he should.

[mapuc]

The evidence perhaps but maybe not as the case was dismissed without prejudice and can be refiled later. Jack Smith is required to make a report, and we'll see if Garland releases it which he should.

Evidence well depending on the standpoint s/he will come to their own conclusion

Some will say he's guilty, while some will say he's innocent

Markus

[Gorpet]

You do realize Markus that men will lie about just about anything for sex. Including who they voted for.

:D:D:D

You do realize, Women are no better than men and will lie about anything and everything ,Including who they have had sex with and who they have voted for. Oh and Bank accounts and charge cards.American woman stay away from me.That was a good song, and it's true today.

[Buddahaid]

You do realize, Women are no better than men and will lie about anything and everything ,Including who they have had sex with and who they have voted for. Oh and Bank accounts and charge cards.American woman stay away from me.That was a good song, and it's true today.

But, butt, but, butt...... We're all doomed....:arrgh!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qDgCmzh5ao

[Gorpet]

But, butt, but, butt...... We're all doomed....:arrgh!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qDgCmzh5ao

Well,They were ahead of the times, I'm sure that checkerboard rear end today would pull some money and some tongues into a 500, seat college auditorium.But the original song will remain the same.As intended.:up:
And it was sure the hell wasn't Lenny Kravitz.Talk about culture stealing...Anything for a dollar right. Butt,Butt,Butt.

how predictable.

https://youtu.be/lU4WCbp-jhE?si=vW5GqA86ShidAhl1[/Q

[QUOTE=ET2SN;2932480]How? By making strangers cry? :hmmm:
That isn't being gracious, its being a bully. :yep:

I've read that "vets" turned out for Trump.
Trust me, this "vet" DID NOT vote for Trump. :yep:
To be fair, almost all of my "vet buddies" served during some part of the old Cold War. THEY did not vote for Trump.

:Kaleun_Goofy:

Cold,War Oh, somehow my reply got lost in the expanse of the inter net.

[Buddahaid]

Backing the Ukrainians defending themselves from a war Russia started. Do keep up.

[Gorpet]

Backing the Ukrainians defending themselves from a war Russia started. Do keep up.

I,Think you should take a trip back in history that is not so distant in the past.The United States Government's Involvement in Ukraine.Is a wart that can't be removed.I'm not going to set here and Debate something that is a fact.

What is real Absurdity is NATO., Yes,without Americas nuclear umbrella, How will Europe stop a war in it's backyard.That my friend is the ? The war is the war. How can the EU stop it.

[August]

I,Think you should take a trip back in history that is not so distant in the past.The United States Government's Involvement in Ukraine.Is a wart that can't be removed.I'm not going to set here and Debate something that is a fact.

What is real Absurdity is NATO., Yes,without Americas nuclear umbrella, How will Europe stop a war in it's backyard.That my friend is the ? The war is the war. How can the EU stop it.


So you believe that the Russians did not invade a sovereign nation and claim parts of it as their own?

[August]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC_Q0sZhoXg

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/FDZZYoFcysw?si=pGjO2iMYzU3moEip

[Skybird]

https://youtu.be/1-zclITSKcI?si=uaoNsAohN_Qq094Q

[Gorpet]

So you believe that the Russians did not invade a sovereign nation and claim parts of it as their own?

No, :up: In fact why would a new incoming administration want to leave a twenty year war and run headlong into any kind of war ? After spending billions of dollars and dead soldiers in that war. It seems to me the United States and NATO. AS the protectors of peace would lick their wounds. Not go immediately into any kind of offensive war. Unless,If you are a plan maker and we know when plans are made on a time schedule they must adhered to.Only today DEI can fuc up plans. But the old ones who are to greedy and want a new Rome and a planet for their children to rule.We everyday people know the there are hidden secrets from the Obama and Biden years that could topple the American Government hidden in Ukraine. Why would NATO want to push up against Russian borders to begin with ? NATO told them if you drop this wall, We will go not one inch further.
But they didn't know we would

[u crank]

Democrats Walking Away From Devastating Defeat Without An Iota Of Self-Reflection Or Self-Doubt

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/11/29/greenwald_democrats_walking_away_from_devastating_ defeat_without_an_iota_of_self-reflection_or_self-doubt.html

Glenn Greenwald on the Democrats losing the election.

And then I think this time, they really devoted themselves. They tripled and quadrupled their effort in so many different ways, calling him Hitler, and a fascist, and a white supremacist, all the way up until the day of the election, only to realize, and I think this is the most traumatic part for them, not just that he won, but that so many of the groups that they believe they own, lock, stop, and barrel, who have an entitlement to obey them, migrated in huge numbers away from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to the person that they've been saying is a white supremacist, black voters, Latino voters, nonwhite voters. And I think they're finding now, starting to internalize that nobody listens to them. Nobody trusts them any longer. They have zero influence beyond the people who already agree with them, that this kind of power over information has been decentralized because deservedly they've lost trust because of how often they lie.

There was a lot of implication that it was the voters' fault. There was a lot of suggestions that just the structural conditions of the economy and Biden's unpopularity made it impossible to win. The whole time I'm thinking, whose fault is it that your candidate ended up being imposed on the public with no primary vote, no mini election within your party, someone who had been long considered to be one of the least politically talented people on the planet?

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark.

[Dargo]

No, :up: In fact why would a new incoming administration want to leave a twenty year war and run headlong into any kind of war ? After spending billions of dollars and dead soldiers in that war. It seems to me the United States and NATO. AS the protectors of peace would lick their wounds. Not go immediately into any kind of offensive war. Unless,If you are a plan maker and we know when plans are made on a time schedule they must adhered to.Only today DEI can fuc up plans. But the old ones who are to greedy and want a new Rome and a planet for their children to rule.We everyday people know the there are hidden secrets from the Obama and Biden years that could topple the American Government hidden in Ukraine. Why would NATO want to push up against Russian borders to begin with ? NATO told them if you drop this wall, We will go not one inch further.
But they didn't know we wouldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPnAlbYfa7E

[AVGWarhawk]

And people laughed when I supported isolationism.

Trump:
The idea that the BRICS Countries are trying to move away from the Dollar while we stand by and watch is OVER. We require a commitment from these Countries that they will neither create a new BRICS Currency, nor back any other Currency to replace the mighty U.S. Dollar or, they will face 100% Tariffs, and should expect to say goodbye to selling into the wonderful U.S. Economy. They can go find another “sucker!” There is no chance that the BRICS will replace the U.S. Dollar in International Trade, and any Country that tries should wave goodbye to America.

[Buddahaid]

When has isolationism ever worked?

[AVGWarhawk]

When has isolationism ever worked?

If one fails...try, try again.

[mapuc]

If one fails...try, try again.

Have USA ever been real a isolationist like North Korea ?

They may withdraw troops from abroad as a part of its isolationism, however I foresee troops in South Korea, Taiwan and in Europe in the near future, due to crisis on the Korean peninsula and in the Taiwan strait. Not to forget crisis in Eastern Europe

Which lead to the question: Could USA really be 100 % isolationist ? With all the military agreement they have with Taiwan, South Korea and NATO.

Markus

[Dargo]

So this is Trump doing isolationism? Right, an oxymoron.We need assurances from these countries that they will not create a new BRICS currency or support other currencies that would replace the mighty US dollar. If we don't get that, we will impose 100 percent import tariffs, and they can say goodbye to selling products to the wonderful US economy.If you want to **** off, **** off do not expect the outside to trade with you, just **** off if you see this as your holy grail. You (the US) do not want us you want to do it alone than do not expect us the outside working with you together. Good luck with your tariff demands. Dutch trade will feel almost nothing from US import tariffs. Mainly, US imports and exports themselves will be affected by the import tariffs announced by future US President Trump before the election. The Netherlands Bureau for Economic Policy Analysis (CPB) figures that the US will export 20% less. Dutch imports and exports will fall by only about 1%. The decline in some manufacturing industries is larger. Dutch service providers actually benefit from higher US import tariffs on goods. CPB also examined the effect of a possible retaliatory response. This shows that a scenario in which the EU also taxes all imported US goods with a 10% levy has a very small effect on US trade. In addition, such a measure also affects the Netherlands and Europe, with small additional declines in both imports and exports. As a result, production patterns will shift within Europe and European countries will start trading more with other parts of the world.

The Church finally seeks to make complete idiots out of the mass and to make them forego the paradise on earth by promising a fictitious heaven. Good luck with your orange savior, you're stuck with him now.

[August]

No, :up: In fact why would a new incoming administration want to leave a twenty year war and run headlong into any kind of war ? After spending billions of dollars and dead soldiers in that war. It seems to me the United States and NATO. AS the protectors of peace would lick their wounds. Not go immediately into any kind of offensive war. Unless,If you are a plan maker and we know when plans are made on a time schedule they must adhered to.Only today DEI can fuc up plans. But the old ones who are to greedy and want a new Rome and a planet for their children to rule.We everyday people know the there are hidden secrets from the Obama and Biden years that could topple the American Government hidden in Ukraine. Why would NATO want to push up against Russian borders to begin with ? NATO told them if you drop this wall, We will go not one inch further.
But they didn't know we would

You're wrong. They are not in an offensive war and we're not running headlong into one. That's simply ridiculous. The US and NATO's support of Ukraine has been nothing but defensive in nature.

You seem not to want to believe that it was Russia which invaded Ukraine, a sovereign country, member of the United Nations, and is attempting to conquer it in one of the most naked Imperialistic land and resource grabs since WW2.

NATO is not pushing up against anyone and never has. It is not an offensive organization but rather a purely defensive one. The border nations being eyed by the land and resource hungry Russian bear on their eastern doorsteps very understandably want to be protected from that menace and NATO membership is the best way, the only way, to get it.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c4ngnw2qr01t


"Singled out", "minor offences", "unusual charging" - anyway, this has a smell on it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Joe Biden pardons his son Hunter. As if we didn't see that coming.

[August]

Biden said that he wouldn't pardon Hunter and now he has, just another Democrat lie and one big reason why they lost the election.

[AVGWarhawk]

Biden said that he wouldn't pardon Hunter and now he has, just another Democrat lie and one big reason why they lost the election.

Yep!

[Shadowblade]

https://i.ibb.co/mH57Frj/joe-1.jpg

also Joe Biden:
https://i.ibb.co/H7F4TmY/joe-2.jpg





https://media1.tenor.com/m/HBWCupXchN4AAAAd/avatar-grace.gif

[Moonlight]

No President should be able to do what Biden's just done, can't the incoming President remove that Pardon.

[AVGWarhawk]

No President should be able to do what Biden's just done, can't the incoming President remove that Pardon.

This will be Joe's legacy. He has done nothing else in 4 years but play puppet.

[Commander Wallace]

This will be Joe's legacy. He has done nothing else in 4 years but play puppet.

I think we all knew this was coming. Hunter plead guilty early on out of fear of dragging things out and the possibility that Trump would be in the White House before Hunter's case was adjudicated. This was well planned out in advance.

Joe gave Hunter a blanket pardon covering the last ten ten years which will encompass any wrong doing uncovered by a Trump led Justice System While Hunter was involved in Ukraine;s Energy Sector. What are the Biden's afraid of ?? This clearly demonstrates that the Biden Crime family is running scared.

Further, in pardoning Hunter, Joe Biden has said the Justice System that he Ironically put in place himself is biased and unfairly went after his son. However, It didn't unfairly go after Donald Trump ?? Yeah OK. Now I have heard it all.

We didn't just dodge a bullet by avoiding a Kamala Harris led Administration. We dodged a Missile Strike of epic proportions.

[Aktungbby]

No President should be able to do what Biden's just done, can't the incoming President remove that Pardon. Ford did it for Richard Nixon-establishing precident for 'blanket pardon'. Trump issued approx. 150 in his last White House tenure. The Presidential power of Pardon should be removed from the Constitution altogether. Only governors of states should have it.

[Commander Wallace]

Ford did it for Richard Nixon-establishing precident for 'blanket pardon'. Trump issued approx. 150 in his last White House tenure. The Presidential power of Pardon should be removed from the Constitution altogether. Only governors of states should have it.


:sign_yeah: I doubt either party will do away with Pardons as both parties have abused it, never to this extent though. This decision may backfire on Joe Biden in unexpected ways, though. :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

We didn't just dodge a bullet by avoiding a Kamala Harris led Administration. We dodged a Missile Strike of epic proportions.

I concur.

[Buddahaid]

...We didn't just dodge a bullet by avoiding a Kamala Harris led Administration. We dodged a Missile Strike of epic proportions.

And ran headlong into a mine field.:haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

And ran headlong into a mine field.:haha:

At least we can work are way around the mines. No such luck with a missile strike. :har:

[les green01]

Easiest way to find the mines put the Dems in front

[mapuc]

The Dems got a real smack on their fingers in the Nov. 5th election-Are they going to take a look inside themselves and figure out why they lost ?

Or are they going to throw accuses towards all the others ?

Markus

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sokwdt-VP70


:hmmm:

[August]

The Dems got a real smack on their fingers in the Nov. 5th election-Are they going to take a look inside themselves and figure out why they lost ?

Or are they going to throw accuses towards all the others ?

Markus


Right now they are playing the blame game. It's fun to watch.

[mapuc]

Right now they are playing the blame game. It's fun to watch.

I was expecting this-Instead of look inside them self they blame others-The same happens here in Denmark, Sweden and Germany after an election.

Markus

[Gorpet]

You're wrong. They are not in an offensive war and we're not running headlong into one. That's simply ridiculous. The US and NATO's support of Ukraine has been nothing but defensive in nature.

You seem not to want to believe that it was Russia which invaded Ukraine, a sovereign country, member of the United Nations, and is attempting to conquer it in one of the most naked Imperialistic land and resource grabs since WW2.

NATO is not pushing up against anyone and never has. It is not an offensive organization but rather a purely defensive one. The border nations being eyed by the land and resource hungry Russian bear on their eastern doorsteps very understandably want to be protected from that menace and NATO membership is the best way, the only way, to get it.

Resource,hungry Russia ? Looking at the landmass of Russia proper.They don't need anything.It is America and Europe and the Scandinavian countries who have let their populations grow. By natural birth or immigration continue to use up their country's resources. It's the Globalist elite,by country and their mindset is oh ya you know.We and our families have for Decades taken care of you! And that hasn't worked out to good for the everyday man or the other bipeds in society. Now for these Globlist,an old 007 movie the world is not enough.NATO we must have Russia.

[Aktungbby]

Resource,hungry Russia ? Looking at the landmass of Russia proper.They don't need anything.It is America and Europe and the Scandinavian countries who have let their populations grow. By natural birth or immigration continue to use up their country's resources. It's the Globalist elite,by country and their mindset is oh ya you know.We and our families have for Decades taken care of you! And that hasn't worked out to good for the everyday man or the other bipeds in society. Now for these Globlist,an old 007 movie the world is not enough.NATO we must have Russia.:hmmm:...Well there's o 'disPutin' that POV??!:shucks: Then again I'm only "shaken, not stirred."

[Reece]

^ :yep:

[Gorpet]

:hmmm:...Well there's o 'disPutin' that POV??!:shucks: Then again I'm only "shaken, not stirred."

Me to, anything else you want to know? I will give you a wide open Question to ask me.

[August]

Resource,hungry Russia ? Looking at the landmass of Russia proper.They don't need anything.It is America and Europe and the Scandinavian countries who have let their populations grow. By natural birth or immigration continue to use up their country's resources. It's the Globalist elite,by country and their mindset is oh ya you know.We and our families have for Decades taken care of you! And that hasn't worked out to good for the everyday man or the other bipeds in society. Now for these Globlist,an old 007 movie the world is not enough.NATO we must have Russia.

I don't know about all that globalist crap you're spouting here but "resource hungry" is absolutely an accurate description of the modern day Russian regime. Their oligarchs have already carved up those captured Ukrainian provinces and the gas and minerals they sit on and they have plans for the rest of it.

It's not the only description of Russia though. "Empire Hungry" also describes them. They want to rebuild the Russian Empire, which at one point stretched between the Elbe River and the Rocky Mountains. Ukraine and Georgia are now being swallowed but every country in the way have good reason to worry, and every right to join a mutual defense organization like NATO, to keep the Russian bear from eating them next.

We are absolutely right to equip and arm the Ukrainians fighting for their national survival and to drive the Russians from their country, and we should give them much more than we have so far, because if we don't stop the Russians westward expansion there we'll be stopping it in Poland and the Baltics with American blood, not just bullets.

[Commander Wallace]

I don't know about all that globalist crap you're spouting here but "resource hungry" is absolutely an accurate description of the modern day Russian regime. Their oligarchs have already carved up those captured Ukrainian provinces and the gas and minerals they sit on and they have plans for the rest of it.

It's not the only description of Russia though. "Empire Hungry" also describes them. They want to rebuild the Russian Empire, which at one point stretched between the Elbe River and the Rocky Mountains. Ukraine and Georgia are now being swallowed but every country in the way have good reason to worry, and every right to join a mutual defense organization like NATO, to keep the Russian bear from eating them next.

We are absolutely right to equip and arm the Ukrainians fighting for their national survival and to drive the Russians from their country, and we should give them much more than we have so far, because if we don't stop the Russians westward expansion there we'll be stopping it in Poland and the Baltics with American blood, not just bullets.

Trump want's to stop support for the Ukraine. It's my hope the more real world aware people in Trump's Cabinet will prevail upon his common sense. I think it's in the United States best interests to support Ukraine for the very reasons you mentioned. If Russia wins in the Ukraine, they won't stop there.

Russia is already maneuvering for War with their posturing. Chinese ships, most likely at the behest of Russia, dragging anchors, cutting lines, etc....

As some point, NATO will see action against Russia. It's a matter of time. Especially, if Russia prevails in the Ukraine.

And ran headlong into a mine field.:haha:


Yeah. Keep talking, pal. You're in the minority. Then again, you already know that. :haha:

[Shadowblade]

https://i.ibb.co/FYjwj0y/Hunter-Biden-10mins-after-pardon.jpg

[Otto Harkaman]

Lest we forget :shucks:
https://youtu.be/rtXAN-73m6s?si=DmmpHCnfqPtix-MC
The discovery of cocaine in the White House made headlines in July 2023. A small bag of the substance was found in a heavily trafficked area of the West Wing, raising significant questions and concerns about security and access protocols in one of the most secure buildings in the world.
Key Details:



Location of Discovery: The substance was found in a storage cubby used by visitors to store personal items, located near the West Wing entrance. This area sees a high volume of staff, guests, and tour participants.
Initial Investigation:

The substance was subjected to field testing and confirmed to be cocaine.
The Secret Service conducted an investigation, including reviewing security footage and fingerprint/DNA analysis, to identify the individual responsible.


Outcome:

The investigation did not identify a suspect due to a lack of physical evidence linking the cocaine to any individual.
The case was closed without further action, citing the difficulty of pinpointing ownership in such a busy area.


Reaction:

The incident sparked criticism and calls for stricter security measures, with some questioning how such a substance could bypass rigorous screening.
Officials noted the challenge of balancing accessibility for public tours with maintaining the highest security standards.



The White House emphasized that no members of the First Family were present at the time of the discovery.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1mQxooev74ZBrBsyXABVawN7APLSSW 62kNA&s

The exact amount spent on security services for the White House is not publicly detailed, as it involves classified information related to national security. However, overall funding for protecting the White House, the President, and other government officials is part of the broader budget allocated to the United States Secret Service (USSS).
In recent years, the Secret Service's total annual budget has been approximately $2-3 billion, covering protective services for:


The White House complex: Including physical security, electronic surveillance, and personnel.
Presidential travel and security: Both domestically and internationally.
Protecting the First Family and other VIPs: Such as the Vice President, visiting dignitaries, and presidential candidates during campaigns.
Investigative operations: Including counterfeit currency investigations and cybersecurity.

A significant portion of this budget goes directly to the security measures for the White House, though the exact breakdown is not public. Costs include advanced security technologies, personnel salaries, and maintenance of a secure environment.

Interesting how many Jan 6 patriots they have tracked down but not the coke head or the DNC/RNC Jan 6 bomber
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/washingtondc/news/500000-reward-remains-in-effect-for-information-about-capitol-hill-pipe-bomber

[Catfish]

I wonder why Trump has not yet nominated Jake Angeli for some ministry :D

[Buddahaid]

Yeah. Keep talking, pal. You're in the minority. Then again, you already know that. :haha:

Yep, but barely. 49.97% to Vice President Harris’ 48.36% as of 12-3-24 with 95% of the vote in.

It also looks like Trump will now allow FBI background checks of his cabinet stooges, or clay pigeons as things appear. :up:

[Dargo]

Resource,hungry Russia ? Looking at the landmass of Russia proper.They don't need anything.It is America and Europe and the Scandinavian countries who have let their populations grow. By natural birth or immigration continue to use up their country's resources. It's the Globalist elite,by country and their mindset is oh ya you know.We and our families have for Decades taken care of you! And that hasn't worked out to good for the everyday man or the other bipeds in society. Now for these Globlist,an old 007 movie the world is not enough.NATO we must have Russia.You really do not want to have Russia it is a backwards shyte country that has only known horror nobody has the intention else it would have happened after 1991 but now never.

[AVGWarhawk]

It also looks like Trump will now allow FBI background checks of his cabinet stooges, or clay pigeons as things appear. :up:

The current stooges are packing their belongings as well speak.

[Catfish]

If anyone wants to know what Trump is about, watch High Noon.

[August]

If anyone wants to know what Trump is about, watch High Noon.




Yeah Gary Cooper does kinda look like Trump now that you mention it. :up:

[Catfish]

^ I meant something else, but ok :D

[mapuc]

The deliberations so far are largely at the level of White House lawyers. But Biden himself has discussed the topic with some senior aides, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity Thursday to discuss the sensitive subject. No decisions have been made, the people said, and it is possible Biden opts to do nothing at all.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-pardons-trump-f36ead0eb92ea30e47cbfddfaf326f20

Markus

[Dargo]

https://apnews.com/article/biden-pardons-trump-f36ead0eb92ea30e47cbfddfaf326f20

MarkusSmart move.

[Gorpet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPnAlbYfa7E

That's funny, in 2000 Mikhail Gorbachev was critical of how the US had expanded NATO right up to Russia's borders despite their initial assurances that they would not do so, citing that the US government could not be trusted. On 9 February 1990 in a phone conversation with James Baker, then the US secretary of state, he set out his position that "a broadening of the NATO zone after german reunification is not acceptable" to which Baker agreed.

Hey you know how history goes in the United States just like in the book 1984.

[Dargo]

That's funny, in 2000 Mikhail Gorbachev was critical of how the US had expanded NATO right up to Russia's borders despite their initial assurances that they would not do so, citing that the US government could not be trusted. On 9 February 1990 in a phone conversation with James Baker, then the US secretary of state, he set out his position that "a broadening of the NATO zone after german reunification is not acceptable" to which Baker agreed.

Hey you know how history goes in the United States just like in the book 1984.The myth that there was a promise by Western leaders not to allow new members to join has been circulating for many years, and is actively used in disinformation campaigns by the Kremlin since the start of the Russian war against Ukraine. While records show that in the initial stages of discussions about German reunification, US Secretary of State James Baker and his West German counterpart, Hans-Dietrich Genscher, floated such an idea with each other and with Soviet leaders in 1990, but diplomatic negotiations quickly moved on and the idea was dropped.

NATO’s founding treaty – signed in 1949 by the 12 original members and by every country that has joined since – includes a clear provision that opens NATO’s door to “any other European state in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area.” This has never changed. No treaty signed by NATO Allies and Russia ever included provisions that NATO cannot take on new members. Decisions on NATO membership are taken by consensus among all Allies. Describing NATO’s open door policy as “expansion” is already part of the myth. NATO did not seek out new members or aim to “expand eastward.” NATO respects every nation’s right to choose its own path. NATO membership is a decision first for those countries that wish to join. It is then for NATO Allies to consider the application.

NATO is not at war with Russia and is not party to the war Russia is waging on Ukraine. NATO supports Ukraine in its right to self-defence, as enshrined in the UN Charter. NATO do not seek confrontation with Russia. In response to Russia's aggressive actions, NATO continue to strengthen their deterrence and defence to make sure there is no room for misunderstanding that NATO is ready to protect and defend every Ally. NATO is a defensive Alliance. NATO core task is to keep our nations safe.

PS The book 1984 is written after the spanich civil war 1936-1939 where Orwell fought in with the POUM the whole book is about the soviet Stalin system and the coming of fascist Europe powers. You clearly did not really read it and belief the 2+2=5. In 1931, the artist Yakov Guminer supported Stalin's shortened production schedule for the economy of the Soviet Union with a propaganda poster that announced the "Arithmetic of an Alternative Plan: 2 + 2 plus the Enthusiasm of the Workers = 5" after Stalin's announcement, in 1930, that the first five-year plan (1928–1933) instead would be completed in 1932, in four years' time. In addressing Nazi anti-intellectualism, Orwell's reference might have been Hermann Göring's hyperbolic praise of Adolf Hitler: "If the Führer wants it, two and two makes five!"In the end, the Party (Nazi/Soviet) would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable—what then
Note: Orwell speaks were you suffer from when you belief 1984 as it is you are ready for 2+2=5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxssycoxz0

[Gorpet]

Have USA ever been real a isolationist like North Korea ?

They may withdraw troops from abroad as a part of its isolationism, however I foresee troops in South Korea, Taiwan and in Europe in the near future, due to crisis on the Korean peninsula and in the Taiwan strait. Not to forget crisis in Eastern Europe

Which lead to the question: Could USA really be 100 % isolationist ? With all the military agreement they have with Taiwan, South Korea and NATO.

Markus

I would say with all the nuclear weapons the United States has. Our country could isolate from the politics of of Europe and Southeast Asia The Middle East. Being the "Watchmen" of the Planet has made our country unhealthy.That's not to say we stick our heads in the ground.But our country needs to get healthy again. And to do so is going to take some looking inward as a people and a society who are we ? Will our society be All Americans or are we going to be fractured with identities and cultures. If it is identities and cultures.This country doesn't need Nuclear Weapons. And as far as military agreements go the less you have, the less and the smaller wars you have. And that's good for humanity and the Planet.

[Gorpet]

The myth that there was a promise by Western leaders not to allow new members to join has been circulating for many years, and is actively used in disinformation campaigns by the Kremlin since the start of the Russian war against Ukraine. While records show that in the initial stages of discussions about German reunification, US Secretary of State James Baker and his West German counterpart, Hans-Dietrich Genscher, floated such an idea with each other and with Soviet leaders in 1990, but diplomatic negotiations quickly moved on and the idea was dropped.

NATO’s founding treaty – signed in 1949 by the 12 original members and by every country that has joined since – includes a clear provision that opens NATO’s door to “any other European state in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area.” This has never changed. No treaty signed by NATO Allies and Russia ever included provisions that NATO cannot take on new members. Decisions on NATO membership are taken by consensus among all Allies. Describing NATO’s open door policy as “expansion” is already part of the myth. NATO did not seek out new members or aim to “expand eastward.” NATO respects every nation’s right to choose its own path. NATO membership is a decision first for those countries that wish to join. It is then for NATO Allies to consider the application.

NATO is not at war with Russia and is not party to the war Russia is waging on Ukraine. NATO supports Ukraine in its right to self-defence, as enshrined in the UN Charter. NATO do not seek confrontation with Russia. In response to Russia's aggressive actions, NATO continue to strengthen their deterrence and defence to make sure there is no room for misunderstanding that NATO is ready to protect and defend every Ally. NATO is a defensive Alliance. NATO core task is to keep our nations safe.

PS The book 1984 is written after the spanich civil war 1936-1939 where Orwell fought in with the POUM the whole book is about the soviet Stalin system and the coming of fascist Europe powers. You clearly did not really read it and belief the 2+2=5. In 1931, the artist Yakov Guminer supported Stalin's shortened production schedule for the economy of the Soviet Union with a propaganda poster that announced the "Arithmetic of an Alternative Plan: 2 + 2 plus the Enthusiasm of the Workers = 5" after Stalin's announcement, in 1930, that the first five-year plan (1928–1933) instead would be completed in 1932, in four years' time. In addressing Nazi anti-intellectualism, Orwell's reference might have been Hermann Göring's hyperbolic praise of Adolf Hitler: "If the Führer wants it, two and two makes five!"
Note: Orwell speaks were you suffer from when you belief 1984 as it is you are ready for 2+2=5.

The American Democrat party wants you to believe 2+2 = 5 Today, ...Your dragging up paragraphs from a book.That Yale,Harvard,Princeton and other University professors will recommend, just for the Arithmetic. But clearly the American youth don't give a **** about Ukraine and their cause.And the Democrats and their "Führer" They are overjoyous they didn't get sent Ukraine. But hey after Christmas and winter, they will put on their black hoodies and be in the streets' looting,burning,mugging and still be thankful. Joey is gone.And it's good.Until life and the real world grows them up.

[Dargo]

The American Democrat party wants you to believe 2+2 = 5 Today, ...Your dragging up paragraphs from a book.That Yale,Harvard,Princeton and other University professors will recommend, just for the Arithmetic. But clearly the American youth don't give a **** about Ukraine and their cause.And the Democrats and their "Führer" They are overjoyous they didn't get sent Ukraine. But hey after Christmas and winter, they will put on their black hoodies and be in the streets' looting,burning,mugging and still be thankful. Joey is gone.And it's good.Until life and the real world grows them up.You won stop whining, you really are sour winners, get a life!

[Gorpet]

I don't know about all that globalist crap you're spouting here but "resource hungry" is absolutely an accurate description of the modern day Russian regime. Their oligarchs have already carved up those captured Ukrainian provinces and the gas and minerals they sit on and they have plans for the rest of it.

It's not the only description of Russia though. "Empire Hungry" also describes them. They want to rebuild the Russian Empire, which at one point stretched between the Elbe River and the Rocky Mountains. Ukraine and Georgia are now being swallowed but every country in the way have good reason to worry, and every right to join a mutual defense organization like NATO, to keep the Russian bear from eating them next.

We are absolutely right to equip and arm the Ukrainians fighting for their national survival and to drive the Russians from their country, and we should give them much more than we have so far, because if we don't stop the Russians westward expansion there we'll be stopping it in Poland and the Baltics with American blood, not just bullets.

You don't think NATO and its allies would not benefit from having access to Russia ? The Ukraines started the war right. If they didn't have American and NATO backing.Would there be a war ? no..Tell me where NATO hasn't started a war and the Russians have since their retreat from Afghanistan ? You know why these countries want to join NATO. The Nuclear Umbrella that America will not use. But it gives all NATO countries free use of the American People's tax Dollars,for their elite to level up and join the country club. Just look at the Notre Dame Cathedral reopening. Where the everyday people can't attend ? It's a Holy place for the Elite. And their so disgusting with all their smooching and hugging and picture taking.It makes common sense people wonder why are they there...Politicians have no religious beliefs. Why desecrate a holy place with their presence ? As Zelensky sets there.In his army jacket while his Country and the people who voted for him are being destroyed.Did he come looking for a spiritual forgiveness or "Hey don't forget whose country is dying for your version Democracy" You Bastards! well August i guess we will find out next year. Merry Christmas, and i know you can't say that in America today but i will.

[Dargo]

^Nah, that does not work like this, you as troll need to name a war that NATO has invaded a sovereign nation but only when it is feeding time sorry that you missed your window.Sheep often mistake themselves for shepherds, unaware of the strings guiding themhttps://i.ibb.co/N118zK1/sheepsheperd.jpg (https://ibb.co/mvvL74v)

[Gorpet]

^Nah, that does not work like this, you as troll need to name a war that NATO has invaded a sovereign nation but only when it is feeding time sorry that you missed your window.https://i.ibb.co/N118zK1/sheepsheperd.jpg (https://ibb.co/mvvL74v)

Ah,now your age is showing.Sometimes a bump by the elbow can turn the coffee cup over.

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7iC2i-0v4w


:haha::hmmm:

[Gorpet]

You won stop whining, you really are sour winners, get a life!

I'm not whining at all, It would appear, to even your supporters that, you can't accept, reality, you do know if you have . Just a bump in your ass and are willing to learn how to read a ruler, buy some basic tools,learn some arithmetic you could become America's next great Architect.And design our 15 minute cities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7iC2i-0v4w


:haha::hmmm:

Ha, California living on the high end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7iC2i-0v4w


:haha::hmmm:

Ok,..It's funny but i didn't get it. Because everything in the video the Democrats have done.You just turn it around.Ya gotta keep up and common sense people don't believe any of that anymore.

[QUOTE=Gorpet;2935565]Ok,..It's funny but i didn't get it. Because everything in the video the Democrats have done.You just turn it around.Ya gotta keep up and common sense peopl

[Dargo]

I'm not whining at all, It would appear, to even your supporters that, you can't accept, reality, you do know if you have . Just a bump in your ass and are willing to learn how to read a ruler, buy some basic tools,learn some arithmetic you could become America's next great Architect.And design our 15 minute cities.You got what you wanted, but a lot of you continue to harass, bully, belittle, stalk, and even threaten the people who didn't vote for Trump. It's disgusting. You weren’t unhappy because Trump wasn’t president, you're just unhappy in general. Sore losers, sore winners. You've got a trifecta and the popular vote. You're the swamp now. Everything that happens now is on your shoulders. Your lot did not vote to win the election for the betterment of America, you just wanted a pass to say Frell You to everyone.

[Reece]

:sign_yeah:

[u crank]

Your lot did not vote to win the election for the betterment of America, you just wanted a pass to say Frell You to everyone.

Are you saying that the Biden/Harris administration was not unpopular? Are you saying that the voters didn't vote against the continuation of that administration? Seems to me that they voted that way for that exact reason.

[Dargo]

Are you saying that the Biden/Harris administration was not unpopular? Are you saying that the voters didn't vote against the continuation of that administration? Seems to me that they voted that way for that exact reason.What is here to win more than that you have won I am saying nothing, stop kicking people when they are down you are the coward here kicking down. And do not try to troll me I am a born troll I invented that shyte feeding time is over!

[u crank]

What is here to win more than that you have won I am saying nothing, stop kicking people when they are down. And do not try to troll me I am a born troll I invented that shyte feeding time is over!

I'm not trolling you pal. I am asking you questions which apparently you don't want to answer.

[Dargo]

I'm not trolling you pal. I am asking you questions which apparently you don't want to answer.I will not answer because I do not care I am not American so no F given here for your whole country it does not bother me whois or not is top dog there.

[u crank]

I will not answer because I do not care I am not American so no F given here for your whole country it does not bother me whois or not is top dog there.

I am not an American as well. But I don't see why that matters. If you do not care why you would be posting in this thread?

[Jeff-Groves]

I am a born troll I invented that shyte

Cause He invented that shyte Obviously.
Must be nice to Claim the Throne of King freaking Trolls!
:har:

[Reece]

Jeff! I'm shocked!! :yep: