US Politics Thread 2021-24 [Archive] - Page 24

Rockstar

05-22-23, 12:18 PM

^^^ Typical behavior of the usual suspects.

Yet even more disgusting it’s actually the Democrat party a.k.a. Blue anon, a.k.a. Koolaid drinking cult, a.k.a the largest conspiracy theorist group in the United States that is destroying the soul of the nation sitting on their high horse with accusations about how it’s everyone else that’s the problem.

Biden says domestic terrorism is rising, but it's not. Rather, the FBI is manipulating data to demonize millions of Americans, and the media is going along with it. They should all be ashamed of themselves for their persecution of FBI whistleblowers and law-abiding Americans.

Behind Purge Of FBI Whistleblowers, The Hyping And Hunting Of "Domestic Terrorists"

No mainstream media journalist interviewed the FBI whistleblowers before demonizing them

MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER AND MADELEINE ROWLEY
MAY 22, 2023
∙ PAID

https://public.substack.com/p/behind-purge-of-fbi-whistleblowers

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U.S. President Joe Biden delivers a primetime speech at Independence National Historical Park September 1, 2022 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. President Biden spoke on “the continued battle for the Soul of the Nation.” (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)

The FBI whistleblowers who testified before Congress last week are far-right, Q-Anon conspiracy theorists, and anti-vaxxers who lost their security clearances because they stole sensitive documents and supported Donald Trump’s coup attempt on January 6, 2021, the FBI and the news media are suggesting. Proof that they are scam artists, claimed reporters, comes from the fact that a top Trump donor and a right-wing think tank are paying them.

But there is no evidence any of them stole sensitive documents, adhered to Q-Anon conspiracy theories, or supported the January 6 Capitol riot, much less an attempt to overthrow the government.

The FBI’s deputy director said in a letter to Congress that one of the men, Stephen Friend, had used a flash drive to download data in a way that violated the rules. The FBI didn’t mention that the downloaded information was the FBI employee handbook, which is not classified or confidential. It was the kind of infraction that warrants an email from a supervisor, not an investigation.

As for the payment from a Trump donor, it was $5,000, and it was a donation, like one of many that members of the public sent after Friend was suspended and not allowed to work.

“I never met [the donor] Kash Patel,” said Friend. “I’m not proud to have to accept charity. But when I got married, I promised to take care of her. I don’t think any man is proud to accept charity, but I’m certainly grateful to live in a country where people are generous enough to take care of those who are on hard times.”

All three of the FBI whistleblowers we interviewed are indeed conservative; one works for a conservative think tank; at least one, if not all, decided not to get vaccinated against Covid; and another attended the January 6 protest, but never entered the Capitol.

Neither a person’s political beliefs nor their personal medical decisions should be relevant when the FBI evaluates someone for a job. The FBI whistleblower who attended the January 6 protest says there was no indication that the public area near the Capitol was a restricted zone.

What about Q-Anon? “I’ve never actually looked up what it is,” said Friend. What about Covid conspiracy-mongering? Friend admits to writing an article that was “Tongue-in-cheek with snark pointing out absurdities like ‘Hey, you have to wear the mask when you’re walking to your seat but not while eating.’”

Having read the background material, including the FBI’s accusations, and interviewed the whistleblowers at length, it’s clear that the FBI whistleblowers who testified last week are what they appear to be: sincere, disciplined, and successful FBI agents whom the FBI is persecuting because they blew the whistle on abuses of power within the law enforcement agency.

What’s more, none of the news media attacking the FBI whistleblowers have actually interviewed the FBI whistleblowers, as shocking as that sounds. “The New York Times never asked for an interview?” I pressed. “No,” said Friend. “What about the Washington Post?” I asked. “No, no. No Washington Post.”

Friend added, “During Hurricane Ian, we had no cell service, no power, nothing, and then I get reception and my phone exploded, and my attorney said, ‘Hey, The New York Times reached out for comment on the fact that you’re unvaccinated and under investigation for shooting a firearm in your backyard.”

But the rumor about shooting a gun in his backyard was false. It appears to have stemmed from an unrelated, non-criminal incident by a different whistleblower.

After Friend told the Times what happened, the newspaper ignored his story.

“The Times never called and asked for an interview about the substance of your claims?” I asked

“No, they’ve never done that.”

“What about CBS? NBC? Any of the big media? Nobody?”

“BBC reached out a week ago,” he said, “but I had a conflict.”

I was incredulous. “They didn’t follow up?”

“No.”

We already wrote about the FBI whistleblowers being attacked by the FBI and Democrats in Congress last week. But given the plain intention by the FBI and the news media to continue their unscrupulous defamation campaign, which can accurately be labeled “disinformation” under their own definition of the term, we decided to take a closer look at their cases. What we discovered shocked and disturbed us.

Rockstar

05-22-23, 05:26 PM

This is what happens when people don’t use condoms and fertilize Democrat’s who exercise their right to vote. So much for the walls don’t work argument huh?

The City of Chicago is being hit extremely hard by the illegal migrant crisis. Currently the city has no available shelters left and the police stations are being used as temporary shelters. Beginning June 1st the city will begin housing migrants at Wright college while the students are on summer break. City council will be passing a measure to allocate $51 million to the crisis. The city is expected to have a $84 million deficit by 2024 and the police aren’t able to do their job.

Chicago is now a 3rd world city and the residents are not happy. Elections have consequences.

https://i.postimg.cc/RVB47RKk/IMG-1505.jpg

I reckon California & New York are next :har::har:

Rockstar

05-22-23, 07:25 PM

How long before Blue Anon attacks Tim Scott calling him Uncle Tom, Jim Crow, trader to his race? I wouldn't be the first time.

Torvald Von Mansee

05-22-23, 08:07 PM

https://i.redd.it/2a5w7u90eg1b1.jpg

Well, this is pretty unambiguously true. What I don't understand is that portion of the middle-class which made it possible.

Rockstar

05-22-23, 08:35 PM

FLASH (Z) that was over 24 years ago. What your saying is Ronald Reagan the 40th President of the United States who served from 1981 to 1989 'destroyed' everything for everyone.

It seems then it would stand to reason you're also admitting you are to blame. Because the representatives you elected to office since then haven't in over 24 years changed a damn thing. :har:

IMO you're the problem, my advice to you is stop being such a pussy and TAKE RESPONSIBILTY for the current situation and your vote

https://i.imgflip.com/4r1pgs.jpg

REMEBER IT"S THE GOVERMENT YOU VOTED FOR. :yeah:

em2nought

05-22-23, 11:11 PM

Rockstar

05-22-23, 11:24 PM

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Buddahaid

05-23-23, 06:32 PM

The Stormy Daniels trial date has been set for March 25th, 2024.

August

05-23-23, 10:45 PM

The Stormy Daniels trial date has been set for March 25th, 2024.

The theory being that court dates will interfere with his ability to campaign I guess. Bold move.

Buddahaid

05-23-23, 10:53 PM

The date was agreed to by both parties as required. Sorry to burst your bubble.

August

05-23-23, 11:04 PM

The date was agreed to by both parties as required. Sorry to burst your bubble.

No you're not.

Rockstar

05-25-23, 05:43 PM

Biden's DOJ drops all charges against Soros-backed Massachusetts DA caught lying under oath

The Department of Justice's failure to charge Rollins raises questions about a two-tiered system of justice.

https://thepostmillennial.com/bidens-doj-drops-all-charges-against-soros-backed-massachusetts-da-caught-lying-under-oath?utm_campaign=64483

Biden's DOJ has decided not to charge Rachael Rollins after evidence found her guilty of election interference, raising concerns about a double standard in the criminal justice system.

Rachel Rollins, US Attorney for the District of Massachusetts, resigned from her office on Friday after the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General (OIG) found evidence that she lied to investigators to reportedly influence an election. The OIG referred criminal charges to the DOJ, but the Justice Department decided not to prosecute the district attorney, according to The Messenger.

The report states that "on December 16, 2022, pursuant to the Inspector General Act, 5 U.S.C. § 404(d), the OIG referred the false statements allegation to the Department for a prosecutive decision."

The OIG's investigation revealed that Rollins lied under oath during an investigation into the attorney allegedly trying to influence an election for district attorney in Suffolk County, MA last year.

Despite the findings, the OIG's report stated that "On January 6, 2023, the Department informed the OIG that it declined prosecution.”

According to the report, Rollins provided derogatory information about District Attorney Kevin Hayden to Boston Globe and Boston Herald with the hope that it would help Boston City Councilman Ricardo Arroyo in the Democratic primary for Suffolk’s district attorney in Sept. 2022.

The OIG said Rollins was able to acquire the "non-public" and "sensitive" information as a result of her federal position.

After Arroyo lost to Hayden in the primary, Rollins leaked more material to the outlets, according to the report.

The OIG accused Rollins of violating multiple Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch, which include Section 2635.702 (the use "of public office for private gain") and Section 2635.703 (the use "of nonpublic information").

However, the greatest charge against Rollins was that she allegedly gave false testimony under oath when she denied providing the sensitive information to the Herald.

The investigation also accused Rollins of disregarding ethical warnings on political activities and soliciting expensive sports tickets, The Messenger reports.

In 2021, Rollins, a Soros-back federal prosecutor, was confirmed as US DA of Massachusettes when Vice President Harris cast a tie-breaking vote after all Republicans voted against her nomination, according to the outlet.

The Department of Justice's failure to charge Rollins raises questions about a two-tiered system of justice in the United States because this is the same Justice department that is considering charges against former President Donald Trump for allegedly making false statements to investigators relating to classified material at Mar-a-Lago.

However, Trump's team of lawyers could use the DOJ's dropped charges against Rollins to their advantage if he gets indicted.

Rockstar

05-25-23, 05:48 PM

BLM teeters on the brink of insolvency after an $8.5 million loss in 2022

"It looks like she's still keeping it all in the family."

https://thepostmillennial.com/blm-teeters-on-the-brink-of-insolvency-after-an-8-5-million-loss-in-2022?utm_campaign=64470

Financial disclosures reveal that the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation (BLMGNF), the global parent for all BLM, ran an $8.5 million deficit while they continued to give out seven-figure salaries and contracts to relatives of the founder Patrisse Cullors.

According to the organization's 2022 tax returns, one of those family members was Paul Cullors, Patrisse's brother, who was paid a $126,000 salary as the head of security. The bodyguard with no previous experience made a total of $1.6M between him and his two security companies.

BLMGNF only raised $9.3 million in 2022, down from $77 million in 2021, and $90 million in 2020.

Patrisse Cullor resigned as the executive director in May 2021, after the public learned she spent $3.2 million for four separate homes on top of other lavish expenses. Prior to her resignation, she was accused of funneling $238,000 to a company that belonged to the father of her child.

Paul Kamenar, an attorney for the National Legal and Policy Center watchdog group, said: "While Patrisse Cullors was forced to resign due to charges of using BLM's funds for her personal use, it looks like she's still keeping it all in the family."

According to the Free Beacon, a friend of Cullors and BLMGNF board member Shalomyah Howard earned $1.7 million for management and consulting services. He is accused of “diverting these donations to his own coffers and intentionally took calculated steps to prevent those same resources from being used by BLM for on-the-ground movement work,” according to a lawsuit by Black Lives Matter Grassroots.

The lawsuit, announced in September, accused Howard of stealing $10 million from the group and using the donations as a “personal piggy bank.”

BLMGNF was founded in 2013 after the death of Trayvon Martin and was thrust into the spotlight after the 2020 death of George Floyd when they organized protests, which ultimately turned into riots across the country.

em2nought

05-25-23, 09:43 PM

The Department of Justice's failure to charge Rollins raises questions about a two-tiered system of justice.

Questions? There's no question about it. :har:

Buddahaid

05-25-23, 09:59 PM

Questions? There's no question about it. :har:

Bullcrap, unless you mean one level supports holding people accountable using reliable evidence while the other imagines laws don't apply to them and then whine about how unfair it is. In any case, it all comes down to presenting actual evidence instead of making loud noises and calling that evidence.

Rockstar

05-25-23, 10:03 PM

The typical New York Times article, nameless experts and the usual suspects crying about the 9-0 SCOTUS Decision limiting EPA authority. Thank God there are still people with a brain in this country’

Meanwhile… according to Democrats

This MAGA Supreme Court is continuing to erode our country’s environmental laws.

Make no mistake—this ruling will mean more polluted water, and more destruction of wetlands.

We’ll keep fighting to protect our waters. - Chuck Schumer DEMOCRAT

I’m sure the Democrat party kool-aid drinking cult will back Schumer too, how sad. :wah:

—————-

Supreme Court Limits E.P.A.’s Power to Address Water Pollution

Experts said the decision would sharply undercut the agency’s authority to protect millions of acres of wetlands under the Clean Water Act, leaving them subject to pollution without penalty.

Adam Liptak
By Adam Liptak
Reporting from Washington

May 25, 2023
Updated 4:48 p.m. ET
The Supreme Court on Thursday curtailed the Environmental Protection Agency’s authority to police millions of acres of wetlands, delivering another setback to the agency’s ability to combat pollution.

Writing for five justices, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. said that the Clean Water Act does not allow the agency to regulate discharges into wetlands near bodies of water unless they have “a continuous surface connection” to those waters.

The decision was a second major blow to the E.P.A.’s authority and to the power of administrative agencies generally. Last year, the court limited the E.P.A.’s power to address climate change under the Clean Air Act.

Experts in environmental law said the decision would leave many wetlands subject to pollution without penalty, sharply undercutting the E.P.A.’s authority to protect them under the Clean Water Act.
“This is a really disastrous outcome for wetlands, which have become absolutely vital for biodiversity preservation and flood control,” said Patrick Parenteau, a professor at Vermont Law School.

Kevin Minoli, who worked as a senior E.P.A. lawyer from the Clinton through the Trump administrations, overseeing the enforcement of Clean Water Act regulations, said the decision would have enormous practical consequences and estimated that it would affect more than half the nation’s wetlands.

“If you’re in an area with a lot of wetlands, but those wetlands are not directly connected to a continuously flowing water body, then those wetlands are no longer protected by the Clean Water Act,” he said.

The decision was nominally unanimous, with all the justices agreeing that the homeowners who brought the case should not have been subject to the agency’s oversight because the wetlands on their property were not subject to regulation in any event. But there was sharp disagreement about a new test the majority established to determine which wetlands are covered by the law.

Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh, joined by the three liberal justices in a concurring opinion, said the decision would harm the federal government’s ability to address pollution and flooding.

“By narrowing the act’s coverage of wetlands to only adjoining wetlands,” he wrote, “the court’s new test will leave some long-regulated adjacent wetlands no longer covered by the Clean Water Act, with significant repercussions for water quality and flood control throughout the United States.”

In a second concurring opinion, Justice Elena Kagan, referring to the court’s decision in June to curtail the E.P.A.’s ability to restrict power plant emissions, criticized the majority’s interpretation of the law.

“There,” she wrote, “the majority’s non-textualism barred the E.P.A. from addressing climate change by curbing power plant emissions in the most effective way. Here, that method prevents the E.P.A. from keeping our country’s waters clean by regulating adjacent wetlands. The vice in both instances is the same: the court’s appointment of itself as the national decision maker on environmental policy.”

The ruling was also another example of the court’s skepticism of the authority of administrative agencies, said Jonathan H. Adler, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University. “The current court,” he said, “is clearly unwilling to defer to an agency about the scope of that agency’s own power.”

Damien Schiff, a lawyer with the Pacific Legal Foundation, which represents the homeowners in the case, praised the Supreme Court’s decision. “Courts now have a clear measuring stick for fairness and consistency by federal regulators,” he said in a statement. “Today’s ruling is a profound win for property rights and the constitutional separation of powers.”

President Biden expressed dismay with the ruling and said his administration would consider next steps. “It puts our nation’s wetlands — and the rivers, streams, lakes and ponds connected to them — at risk of pollution and destruction, jeopardizing the sources of clean water that millions of American families, farmers and businesses rely on,” he said in a statement.

The case, Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency, No. 21-454, concerned an Idaho couple, Michael and Chantell Sackett, who sought to build a house on what an appeals court called “a soggy residential lot” near Priest Lake, in the state’s panhandle.

After the couple started preparing the property for construction in 2007 by adding sand gravel and fill, the agency ordered them to stop and return the property to its original state, threatening them with substantial fines. The couple instead sued the agency, and a dispute about whether that lawsuit was premature reached the Supreme Court in an earlier appeal. In 2012, the justices ruled that the suit could proceed.

In a concurring opinion at the time, Justice Alito said the law gave the agency too much power.

“The reach of the Clean Water Act is notoriously unclear,” he wrote. “Any piece of land that is wet at least part of the year is in danger of being classified by E.P.A. employees as wetlands covered by the act, and according to the federal government, if property owners begin to construct a home on a lot that the agency thinks possesses the requisite wetness, the property owners are at the agency’s mercy.”

On Thursday, all nine justices agreed that the agency had gone too far in seeking to regulate the Sacketts’ property.

“I agree with the court’s bottom-line judgment,” Justice Kavanaugh wrote, “that the wetlands on the Sacketts’ property are not covered by the act and are therefore not subject to permitting requirements.”

That suggested that the court could have issued a far more limited ruling, Professor Parenteau said.

“They could have rendered a narrow decision based on the facts of the Sackett case and said, in this case, where a wetland is this small and is not connected to the lake, it should not be subject to federal control.”

Instead, he said, the majority “fashioned a policy for the entire United States based on this one particular set of facts of this property in northern Idaho.”

The two sides on Thursday differed principally on the Clean Water Act’s coverage of wetlands that are “adjacent” to what the law calls “waters of the United States.”

That second term, Justice Alito wrote, “was decidedly not a well-known term of art” and a “frustrating drafting choice.” He said it included “streams, oceans, rivers and lakes.”

But what does it mean for wetlands to be “adjacent” to such bodies of water? Justice Alito wrote the term can mean “contiguous” or “near.” For purposes of the Clean Water Act, he wrote, “wetlands that are separate from traditional navigable waters cannot be considered part of those waters, even if they are located nearby.”

The four justices in the minority took a different view.

“‘Adjacent’ and ‘adjoining’ have distinct meaning,” Justice Kavanaugh wrote, adding that he would have included wetlands that are “separated from a covered water only by a man-made dike or barrier, natural river berm, beach dune, or the like.”

He added: “There is a good reason why Congress covered not only adjoining wetlands but also adjacent wetlands. Because of the movement of water between adjacent wetlands and other waters, pollutants in wetlands often end up in adjacent rivers, lakes and other waters.”

Justice Kagan gave an example of the difference between adjoining and adjacent.

"In ordinary language,” she wrote, “one thing is adjacent to another not only when it is touching, but also when it is nearby. So, for example, one house is adjacent to another even when a stretch of grass and a picket fence separate the two.”

Justice Alito responded, quoting from an earlier decision, that Congress must use “exceedingly clear language if it wishes to significantly alter the balance between federal and state power and the power of the government over private property.”

Justice Kagan wrote that last year’s climate-change decision used similar reasoning, invoking “another clear-statement rule (the so-called major questions doctrine) to diminish another plainly expansive term.”

She added: “Today’s pop-up clear-statement rule is explicable only as a reflexive response to Congress’s enactment of an ambitious scheme of environmental regulation. It is an effort to cabin the anti-pollution actions Congress thought appropriate.”

Lower courts ruled that the Sacketts’ property was a wetland that the agency could regulate, concluding that it qualified under a 2006 Supreme Court decision, Rapanos v. United States, which featured competing tests for deciding that question.

Justice Antonin Scalia, who died in 2016, wrote for four justices in the Rapanos decision that only wetlands with “a continuous surface connection” to “relatively permanent, standing or flowing bodies of water” qualify.
Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, who retired in 2018, said in a concurring opinion that the law required only a “significant nexus” between the wetlands at issue and bodies of waters.

The decision on Thursday rejected that view. “It’s striking,” Professor Adler said, “that no justice sought to preserve the ‘significant nexus’ test Justice Kennedy had articulated in Rapanos.”

Coral Davenport contributed reporting.

Rockstar

05-26-23, 09:26 AM

Questions? There's no question about it. :har:

No doubt, unless you’re in the club you’re screwed.. Rachel Rollins is in the club, she used her position to interfere in an election and lied under oath. Biden’s DOJ refused to prosecute. The report is factual, yet some people try to convince themselves otherwise. :haha:

https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/oig-reports/DOJ/23-071.pdf

Rockstar

05-26-23, 08:40 PM

Stormy Daniels Admits She Regrets Accusing Trump Of Affair: 'It Was Just For Nothing'

by: Reed Cooper 05.26.2023 Source: DC Enquirer

https://dcenquirer.com/stormy-daniels-admits-she-regrets-accusing-trump-of-affair-it-was-just-for-nothing/?utm_source=89385

Adult film 'star' Stormy Daniels admitted on 'Good Morning Britain' on Wednesday she regrets accusing leading 2024 presidential candidate and 45th President Donald Trump of an affair, claiming it was "just for nothing."

"It was just for nothing," she whined.

"I just feel like if people don’t want to face facts and see the truth … then you know what, I’d rather have had the time back with my family,” she added.

“I almost feel like humans aren’t really worth saving at this point. Truth doesn’t seem to matter," she continued.

Daniels claims "Trump supporters" climbed her fence and "attacked" her horse, Redemption, a couple of weeks ago.

“Because I’m the one that gets the messages from his supporters. I was one whose horse was attacked a couple of weeks ago,” she claimed.

“They’ve gone after friends and family. Just literally said that they’re gonna come to my house with slit my throat," Daniels said.

“I’m frightened of his sycophants and his followers, and it’s the tone that has changed," she added.

"I was called a slut and a gold digger and, and all of these horrible things that I probably can’t say on TV,” she continued.

Daniels was ordered to pay Trump $300,000 after losing a defamation case against him. However, a Manhattan grand jury voted to indict President Trump over a $130,000 payment to Daniels made by his former lawyer and now-convicted liar, Michael Cohen.

In a Manhattan state court before Judge Merchan on Tuesday, Trump was remotely present from Florida alongside lawyer Todd Blanche in front of U.S. flags.

The judge reminded Trump of a gag order he placed on Trump preventing him from "making public evidence and other material related to a pending criminal case against him in New York," according to reporting from CNBC.

Under New York law, the fine for breaking a gag order holds a penalty of either 30 days in jail or a $1,000 fine.

Far-left Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who has been exposed as being funded by a group supported by far-left billionaire George Soros, was able to get a Manhattan grand jury to vote to indict Trump.

This makes Trump the first American president to ever face criminal charges.

The Color of Change PAC, the “nation’s largest online racial justice organization", which was given $1 million in May 2021 from Soros, gave $1 million to Bragg but later pulled back half of their donation.

Gorpet

05-26-23, 10:26 PM

In furtherance of the left's false narrative: Travel advisory issued for visitors to Florida. :har:

https://naacp.org/articles/naacp-issues-travel-advisory-florida

"Florida is openly hostile toward African Americans, people of color and LGBTQ+ individuals. Before traveling to Florida, please understand that the state of Florida devalues and marginalizes the contributions of, and the challenges faced by African Americans and other communities of color."

:har::har::har: Guess that's why the head of the NAACP lives in Tampa.

If you have a problem with Florida, Just don't fly in,buss in or drive in.If you don't like the atmosphere.Stay at home or stay away What is the problem? Let's use some common sense why are you going to Florida, Ya see this ass doesn't even live here , Do ya ? em2nought

Rockstar

05-28-23, 06:54 PM

em2nought

05-28-23, 09:06 PM

Ya see this ass doesn't even live here , Do ya ? em2nought

...only until I sell, then I'm off to Thailand. Not sure why it's your business? :hmmm:

Rockstar

05-28-23, 10:11 PM

Look at that racist white anti-immigrant supremacist in the picture causing another insurrection during a meeting with AOC. Oh wait he’s an immigrant from Cuba. :D

AOC called 'piece of sh*t' by constituent fed up with illegal immigrant infiltration of NYC

https://thepostmillennial.com/aoc-called-piece-of-sh-t-by-constituents-fed-up-with-illegal-immigrant-infiltration-of-nyc?utm_campaign=64470

https://mr.cdn.ignitecdn.com/client_assets/thepostmillennial_com/media/picture/6472/4b39/1343/b30f/2806/96e7/original_Aoc.jpg

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) was heckled at a town hall meeting in Queens, New York Friday, with one protester calling her a "piece of sh*t." Protestors took issue with her stances on the border crisis, sending billions to Ukraine, Drag Queen story hour, and the debt ceiling.

The Congresswoman was speaking to her constituents in the Corona Neighborhood as the scene descended into chaos. At some points, members of the audience were chanting "America First," and one man in a Cuba shirt yelled, "American citizens before migrants."

The video, posted by FreedomNews TV, shows the man asking, "Where are you on the migrant issue?" and calling her a "piece of sh*t" while being escorted away.

One man stood up to defend the congresswoman, proclaiming, "We all, for the most part, came through Ellis Island," before others interrupted with, "Legally!"

When speaking on the debt ceiling, Ocasio-Cortez said that she doesn't believe the US should have a debt limit. A man pointed out that money was spent in the form of "$100 billion to Ukraine, which you voted for." AOC voted in favor of sending $40 Billion to Ukraine last year.

On the topic of Ukraine, one woman shouted, "Stop Funding this war, there's a lot of communities that need help and need that money. I'm from that community." She was subsequently removed from the building.

"We are at war with Russia," another woman said. "We're on the verge of nuclear war. Are you going to stop this war?"

One woman held up a sign that read "AOC: An obvious Criminal." while others had signs that read "Stop funding Ukraine," "America first," and "AOC: Stop pushing drag queen story hour,' among others reported by the New York Post.

Last year, numerous town halls in which Ocasio-Cortez appeared delved into chaos. In October, she danced on stage as protestors shouted, "AOC has got to go." At an event in the Bronx that same month, a man stated, "You ran as an outsider yet you voted to start this war in Ukraine. You're voting to start a nuclear war with Russia and China."

MaDef

05-29-23, 09:36 AM

The debt limit agreement includes a debt limit suspension until January 1st, 2025. :har::har::har::har::har::har:

Can’t wait to find a credit card company that will let keep me borrowing and postpone payments. That would be Japan and China, Japan owns over a trillion of the debt & china owns 850 billion. If it continues on the current course, China won't need to invade, they'll just wait for the U.S. to default, then take possession in lieu of payment or sell off the newly acquired assets. :up:

Rockstar

05-29-23, 10:48 AM

https://youtu.be/wMNk1QuVamI

Rockstar

06-01-23, 03:50 PM

The Democrat’s version of paradise, total idiots who still think it’s just the thought that counts... Then when the State of Texas holds up traffic to search for fentanyl at the border. Idiot Democrats tell them to stop it and stay out of the way.

https://youtu.be/gWFlpCBMyIk

Rockstar

06-01-23, 04:14 PM

https://youtu.be/wX3sJW12LCU

mapuc

06-01-23, 04:26 PM

Otto Harkaman

06-01-23, 04:38 PM

^ come to America Markus, come visit the border, I know you got money bags and can travel.

Come walk the walk, so you can talk the talk :shucks:

mapuc

06-01-23, 04:43 PM

^ come to America Markus, come visit the border, I know you got money bags and can travel.

Come walk the walk, so you can talk the talk :shucks:

I am saving money for a Transatlantic cruise to and from Southampton.

I don't need to walk the walk so I can talk the talk.

In every country where there's democracy and more than two parties. Each of them has both good and bad stuff.

I know from our news here that you have huge problems at the Mexican-American border.

Markus

Otto Harkaman

06-01-23, 04:59 PM

We can all talk but if it lacks credibility then its just gossip and rumors

Skybird

06-01-23, 05:34 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/georgia-gun-shop-owner-shutters-store-mass-shootings-targeting-childre-rcna87116

Reasonability meets sense of responsibility.

Rockstar

06-01-23, 05:42 PM

Now now you know it ain't the truth- The Dems are the only party who can save US soul.

(Have a couple of American friends who is incarnated Dem-supporters and according to them Rep is evil itself.)

Has on occasion said that there's good and bad thing on both parties.

Markus

I know that Markus, just like I know MAGA is nothing more than political campaign slogan and those that wear a hat aren't extremists.

Rockstar

06-01-23, 05:44 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/georgia-gun-shop-owner-shutters-store-mass-shootings-targeting-childre-rcna87116

Reasonability meets sense of responsibility.

And I see nothing wrong with what he did. Whatever the reason(s) it was his decision and his alone to make. Just as it is mine to own firearms.

However after reading “There's no guilt about it, I sell to law-abiding citizens." I'm going to wager he closed for a different reason like maybe his business wasn’t doing so well.

Otto Harkaman

06-01-23, 06:43 PM

https://youtu.be/c0k1juoQ2LY
https://youtu.be/ueSYtO2G6bU

MaDef

06-01-23, 11:29 PM

People with dementia are prone to falls.

Reece

06-02-23, 03:38 AM

Uncalled for remark!! :nope:

MaDef

06-02-23, 07:11 AM

was it? Or was it simply an opinion based on observation + 10 years experience dealing with someone who had dementia prior to their death.

3catcircus

06-03-23, 09:47 AM

was it? Or was it simply an opinion based on observation + 10 years experience dealing with someone who had dementia prior to their death.

This. Same thing for me with my mother. You can 99% of the time tell they are suffering from dementia just by the way they walk - which was evident even before he started occupying the Oval Office. His wranglers were just easily able to hide it during the campaign because of COVID.

The penchant for them to not have public appearances after mid-morning (noon at the latest) during the election season was also telling - those suffering from dementia are more likely to be lucid earlier in the day.

There are also uncorroborated reports that his campaign staffers were picking up scripts for Namenda under a fake name *and* discussing which adult diapers he should wear to minimize the "crinkling" sound of someone walking while wearing them.

At this point, the Biden criminal family's activities are of less importance to anyone with a conscience than that they are committing elder abuse. The guy should be in a rest home.

em2nought

06-03-23, 05:01 PM

Uncalled for remark!! :nope:
He's clearly in decline. I'd think they'd have to admit it eventually. They'll probably waiting to see if he gets elected, and then turn it over to she who wouldn't win on her own. Although for the life of me, I don't see where his "votes" are coming from? :hmmm:

mapuc

06-03-23, 05:05 PM

I'm convinced that those who voted Biden, did this only to get rid of former President.

He was Dems candidate and this was enough for these millions of American voters...

Markus

em2nought

06-03-23, 05:13 PM

I'm convinced that those who voted Biden, did this only to get rid of former President.

He was Dems candidate and this was enough for these millions of American voters...

Markus

...and "he" had to go lest "We the People" finally regain a modicum of control over our government.

Buddahaid

06-03-23, 06:53 PM

I’d vote for Biden if he was in a coma rather than anybody the Republicans will field this election.
I prefer my representatives to represent me not rule me.

Rockstar

06-03-23, 07:17 PM

I’d vote for Biden if he was in a coma rather than anybody the Republicans will field this election.
I prefer my representatives to represent me not rule me.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

But it does explain a lot why businesses are packing up, tent cities, crime and drug use are on the rise in California. Any idea where Newsome’s 100 billion budget surplus went?

MaDef

06-03-23, 10:36 PM

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

But it does explain a lot why businesses are packing up, tent cities, crime and drug use are on the rise in California. Any idea where Newsome’s 100 billion budget surplus went?
They paid out close to 40 billion in fraudulent EDD claims during the "covid pandemic". Given that any budget "surplus" is based on projected earnings minus actual costs, and the fact that California has lost over 1/2 million residents (along with businesses leaving) along with other "creative book keeping" that Government's love to use, and,.... well, you get the idea.

Bottom line, "budget surpluses" are nothing more than smoke and mirrors created with "magic math" :Kaleun_Wink:

Onkel Neal

06-04-23, 07:26 AM

There was the time last winter when President Biden was awakened at 3 a.m. while on a trip to Asia and told that a missile had struck Poland, touching off a panic that Russia might have expanded the war in Ukraine to a NATO ally. Within hours in the middle of the night, Mr. Biden consulted his top advisers, called the president of Poland and the NATO secretary general, and gathered fellow world leaders to deal with the crisis.

And then there was the time a few weeks ago when the president was hosting children for Take Your Child to Work Day and became mixed up as he tried to list his grandchildren. “So, let me see. I got one in New York, two in Philadelphia — or is it three? No, three, because I got one granddaughter who is — I don’t know. You’re confusing me.” He also drew a blank when asked the last country he had visited and the name of a favorite movie.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/04/us/politics/biden-president-age-2024.html

August

06-04-23, 09:13 PM

I’d vote for Biden if he was in a coma rather than anybody the Republicans will field this election.
I prefer my representatives to represent me not rule me.

Did Trump "rule" you during his first term Budda? How exactly? Can you point to the doll and tell us where the Bad Orange Man touched you?

Onkel Neal

06-05-23, 08:58 AM

I’d vote for Biden if he was in a coma rather than anybody the Republicans will field this election.
I prefer my representatives to represent me not rule me.

See, this is the crazy thing. I don't know you in person but after many years of interacting with you in the forum and reading your posts, I know you are an intelligent guy. Reasonable, level-headed. (and no, I am not trying to be condescending) Then something like this comes up, I just don't get it. What you say in this case is so ... odd, so massively detached from reality... it seems hard to believe you are serious.

About Trump, yeah, I can see that. Biden in a coma (which is probably coming sooner than we think), Trumpo, lord, are that our only choices? But you spread this out to "all Republicans"... and this bit about being ruled? You know that's more of a liberal/Democrat characteristic, don't you? Eisenhower, Reagan, Bush, more of a "leave you alone" than "ruling you" types. Unless you are referring to enforcing law and order, which is something we sadly need now after 2 years of Democrat decision making.

No, you got this wrong. The Democrats, yeah, they want to tell you how to live your life, they want to manage every little thing in society. Hell, because of the Democrats, you can't even buy a decent gas can (https://fee.org/articles/the-epic-failure-of-the-government-gas-can/) :)

And politically, everyone knows the DNC are a Boss Tweed organization. They shut down the primary process to throw the nom to Hillary in 2016, and again to Biden in 2020. Just flat out ruled their candidates were to be made the nominee, vote for them or your a Russian agent. And they are trying to do it again. Funny though, some liberals are beginning to wake up

https://youtu.be/O6dNxMzpvHU

I love how the Independent calls this a "bizarre rant". :har: Ahhh... this $h!t media, stooges to the end.

mapuc

06-05-23, 10:17 AM

Rockstar

06-05-23, 10:54 AM

^

His statement didn't come as a surprise for me.

In the last Presidential election the number of voters was very high. I see this as vote-on-anything-than-Trump-even-if-it-is-a-dog.

Millions of Americans couldn't stand his guts.

I predict in the next election the number of voters will be high too.
Many think that Trump will win..I say it's doubtful.

Biden will not win by a landslide. It will be very tight.

Markus

"HATED his guts"

Sure he talked a lot of smack but it shouldn't have been the cause for people to HATE the guy. Like the current woke narrative thats shown up in the headlines these past months. Its started with "anonymous sources" and lead by media like a troop of screeching monkeys stirring up the sheep by throwing poop on the wall to see what sticks.

Well here we are. You a European thinking that an Americans vote is based on hate. Nobody can blame you either. But then the war in Ukraine has revealed some European countries are lead by nitwits as well. While you were so concerned with Trump and accusations of Russian collusion. Your own leaders were the ones actually in bed with Putin and it pisses me off because it placed my country in a bad spot by having to go in and force another peace in that warzone craphole Europe

August

06-05-23, 11:00 AM

mapuc

06-05-23, 11:35 AM

"HATED his guts"

Sure he talked a lot of smack but it shouldn't have been the cause for people to HATE the guy. Like the current woke narrative thats shown up in the headlines these past months. Its started with "anonymous sources" and lead by media like a troop of screeching monkeys stirring up the sheep by throwing poop on the wall to see what sticks.

Well here we are. You a European thinking that an Americans vote is based on hate. Nobody can blame you either. But then the war in Ukraine has revealed some European countries are lead by nitwits as well. While you were so concerned with Trump and accusations of Russian collusion. Your own leaders were the ones actually in bed with Putin and it pisses me off because it placed my country in a bad spot by having to go in and force another peace in that warzone craphole Europe

Ok Ok maybe I used the wrong word and should have written - Can't stand his guts

NO I know the American does not vote based on hate. What I do know and it goes in every democratic country..there are voters who can't stand the guts of an another politician.

Yea We should have been strong enough to tackle the war in Ukraine by our self and not lay all our dependency on USA.

Markus

mapuc

06-05-23, 11:38 AM

Just remember Markus that Biden wasn't the only presidential candidate in the '20 election to break the previous popular vote record. Biden only beat him by less than 10%.

The Electoral College margin, where it really matters, Bidens win margin was barely higher at only 12%.

I know Dave but these two candidate Rep and Dem gets almost 99 % of the air time during an election.

Here in Denmark it was only Trump Vs Biden-It happened they mentioned some local candidate...otherwise it was only these two.

Markus

August

06-05-23, 11:50 AM

I know Dave but these two candidate Rep and Dem gets almost 99 % of the air time during an election.

Here in Denmark it was only Trump Vs Biden-It happened they mentioned some local candidate...otherwise it was only these two.

Markus

Yeah our two party system has both its positives and negatives.

Jimbuna

06-05-23, 12:23 PM

Pence has threw his hat into the ring.

em2nought

06-05-23, 05:12 PM

Your own leaders were the ones actually in bed with Putin and it pisses me off because it placed my country in a bad spot by having to go in and force another peace in that warzone craphole Europe

The war would already be done if somebody hadn't liberally tossed our taxpayers money at it. Ex-Nazi and corrupt regime getting beat by Russians doesn't seem worth my money to intervene. Maybe if we hadn't, Europe would start paying for their own defense too. :03:

Pence is deluded.

mapuc

06-05-23, 05:17 PM

em2nought

06-05-23, 05:32 PM

In this case he's right on spot
Markus

I'm right about everything buddy. :D

August

06-05-23, 08:00 PM

The war would already be done if somebody hadn't liberally tossed our taxpayers money at it. Ex-Nazi and corrupt regime getting beat by Russians doesn't seem worth my money to intervene. Maybe if we hadn't, Europe would start paying for their own defense too. :03:

Pence is deluded.

Sounds like you've been absorbing Russian propaganda Em.

How does a supposedly "nazi" nation elect a Jew like Zelenski as their president? We have more swastika wearing fascists running around here in the states than Ukraine ever did and in neither case are those nuts running the government. As for corruption, yeah the Ukes have a past president that THEY have brought charges against for corruption, but then again so do we right?

We need to help the Ukrainians because they are a good and decent people yearning for freedom, who are slowly being overrun by the cruel armies of a genocidal Russian maniac that deliberately rapes and massacres civilians and steals their children as slaves. We need to do it because nobody else can and more importantly because helping the weak defend themselves again the strong is the right thing to do. It used to be the American way.

Rockstar

06-05-23, 08:11 PM

I don't for a moment believe the nazi narrative unless of course we're associating national socialism with Russia. Ukraine is fighting for their independence & sovereignty and as someone who lives in a country that had a similar battle a couple of hundred years ago I can highly respect, support and admire Ukrainian tenacious endeavors. But IMO Ukraine does have some serious issues involving corruption of the type barely surpassed by Russia. However, I think Ukraine is making remarkable gains in a few short years ridding themselves of the soviet era mentality. More than I can say about Germany that's for damn sure.

I said it before I'll say it again if Ukraine can pull it together and win, they deserve a place in NATO.

You can't snuff the rooster

Rockstar

06-05-23, 10:37 PM

Democrats receive federal funding when they declare themselves a sanctuary city and States like Texas and Florida receive federal funding to ship immigrants to their cities. Then stupid idiotic Democrats threaten lawsuits after immigrants are shipped to their cities. When does it end?

Typical bleeding heart Democrat voting for open borders, just don’t ship them to their neighborhoods. :har:

Latest Democrat stupidity.

California threatens legal action over migrant flights

https://news.yahoo.com/california-threatens-legal-action-over-234056529.html

California Governor Gavin Newsom appeared to threaten his Florida counterpart Ron DeSantis with kidnapping charges Monday, as a second planeload of migrants arrived via private jet in state capital Sacramento.

The confrontation comes after DeSantis -- a rising Republican star and potential presidential candidate in 2024 -- has pursued a policy of flying migrants to Democratic-controlled states, in protest at President Joe Biden's immigration policies.

Last September, DeSantis arranged and paid for nearly 50 migrants to fly from Texas to Martha's Vineyard, a wealthy resort island in the northeastern state of Massachusetts.

While Florida officials have not commented on the two recent flights to Sacramento, California officials said some of the migrants were carrying documentation "purporting to be from the government of the State of Florida."

"@RonDeSantis you small, pathetic man," tweeted Newsom on Monday.

"This isn't Martha's Vineyard. Kidnapping charges?" he added, including a screenshot of California's legal code on kidnapping.

The first planeload of more than a dozen migrants, originally from Colombia and Venezuela, arrived in Sacramento on Friday.

They had crossed the United States border into Texas and were transported to New Mexico before boarding a plane.

California Attorney General Rob Bonta said his office was "evaluating potential criminal or civil action against those who transported or arranged for the transport of these vulnerable immigrants."

"State-sanctioned kidnapping is not a public policy choice, it is immoral and disgusting," he said in a statement.

PICO California, a faith-based group helping the migrants, said the group did not know they were being taken to California, and had been approached by people offering them jobs.

A second planeload of around 20 migrants, mainly from Venezuela, arrived in Sacramento on Monday, the New York Times reported.

Onkel Neal

06-06-23, 08:26 AM

You're right. Insane. I clearly remember each Dem eagerly thrusting their hands up at the debate when asked if they would support illegal aliens with tax dollars; housing, healthcare, etc. Now they whine about 50 illegals being flown to their paradise. Freaking typical liberal hypocrisy.

em2nought

06-07-23, 02:48 AM

OMG he wants some debate! Better throw him in the Buffalo man's empty jail cell. :har: What a traitor! :har:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6dNxMzpvHU

Reece

06-07-23, 03:24 AM

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2870535&postcount=5810

em2nought

06-07-23, 05:27 AM

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2870535&postcount=5810

Ah, how did I miss that. :doh: I'd swear I read the post, but missed the video at the end.

Reece

06-07-23, 06:39 AM

You did a Reece!! :D

mapuc

06-07-23, 07:48 AM

Do they have a chance ?

Those Rep. Candidate, who shall try to beat the former President ?

From what I know he's very popular among the Rep. voters and even the members.

Markus

Rockstar

06-07-23, 12:56 PM

Are people that self absorbed as Schopenhauer says they are? I would say yes, just read anything written in the political or climate change threads

https://youtu.be/XEZlqIWm2xg

Jimbuna

06-08-23, 07:16 AM

Looks like Pence has eventually come out of his shell.

Mike Pence tears into Donald Trump at 2024 campaign launch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65839793

August

06-08-23, 07:39 AM

Do they have a chance ?

Those Rep. Candidate, who shall try to beat the former President ?

From what I know he's very popular among the Rep. voters and even the members.

Markus

Yeah they have a chance Markus but they are definitely fighting an uphill battle.

Once chance is that Trump might be in prison by this time next year. We've been promised this repeatedly but so far the Dems have come up short.

One thing that doesn't help the others is the size of the candidate field. With what 6 candidates now?, that splits the non Trump vote and could give him the nomination with as little as 17% of the total.

Onkel Neal

06-08-23, 12:05 PM

Once chance is that Trump might be in prison by this time next year. We've been promised this repeatedly but so far the Dems have come up short.

One thing that doesn't help the others is the size of the candidate field. With what 6 candidates now?, that splits the non Trump vote and could give him the nomination with as little as 17% of the total.

For once I am hoping the Dems come through and Trump lands in jail, thus sitting out the primary. Of course, knowing Trump, he'll run as a 3rd party from Sing Sing. Sad thing is, knowing the Trump supporters, they'll vote for him. :wah:

Rockstar

06-08-23, 02:12 PM

Frankly I think there’s more than just ‘Dems’ who want Trump to sit this one out. I don’t believe he’s going to jail though. Especially since there hasn’t been any proof of wrong doing, it’s just been one accusation after another, after another, after another etc. etc. for over six years.

I’m thinking what we are seeing is an attempt to tarnish his reputation so bad that any donors left will abandon ship and tire out voters to the point they never want to hear his name mentioned ever again.

But to send a sitting or former president to jail just to prevent him from running is dangerous, then why bother voting?

August

06-08-23, 02:20 PM

Rockstar

06-08-23, 02:35 PM

We are not sending anyone to jail. We are merely wishing that a plausible scenario works out in what would be the nations favor.

If I were to hope that meteor falls out of the sky and flattens Biden is that a dangerous disincentive to voting too?

No, because that can only be attributed to natural causes or being lucky. :)

Rockstar

06-08-23, 02:37 PM

California is falling apart at the seams

https://youtu.be/6t-e5UNkDK4

mapuc

06-08-23, 02:38 PM

If I were to hope that meteor falls out of the sky and flattens Biden is that a dangerous disincentive to voting too?

From what I have read-American voters would still put their vote on him. Every steps count to avoid Trump winning the election.

Markus

Rockstar

06-08-23, 05:24 PM

:O:

https://i.postimg.cc/zX7vf9s0/IMG-1589.jpg

August

06-08-23, 07:28 PM

Trump indicted on federal charges related to document handling and obstruction of justice

Trump has been ordered to appear in federal court in Miami on Tuesday

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-president-trump-says-has-been-indicted

Buddahaid

06-08-23, 07:39 PM

Yes. I didn’t think it would be this week, though. He can still run from a prison cell. 🙃

August

06-09-23, 12:12 AM

Yes. I didn’t think it would be this week, though. He can still run from a prison cell. 🙃

Yeah they had to rush the announcement to counter the FBI being forced to turn over that first Biden bribery report.

em2nought

06-09-23, 01:02 AM

:O:

https://i.postimg.cc/zX7vf9s0/IMG-1589.jpg

They're providing their own perfect reason to lock us all down AGAIN midway thru 2024. We'll all need every vaccine known to man before we can emerge again. :hmmm:

Skybird

06-09-23, 06:20 AM

"Chaaaaaarge...!"

Now someone will and already does present himself as a great innocent lamb who has been severely wronged. Towards his disciples he can and will exploit this shamelessly. It is difficult to say whether this will worsen or improve his election prospects.

Imagine the blame and mockery if they cannot prove what they charge him for and he gets out of it unsentenced - this is a high risk play for those pushing this. Even if they succeed through the court rituals and ghet a sentence, its not certain the Democrats can benefit from it. At least as long as the sentence is such that it does not legally prevent a candidacy/presidency.

Thats how I see it.

em2nought

06-09-23, 07:42 AM

No voter who gives a crap about the USA wants to go back to "before President Trump". The Republican politicians weren't getting it done, they were all "Neville Chamberlain" in regards to doing good by their own people. The big government liked them, and the military industrial complex really liked them. If only there was someone else who was about returning power to "we the people" who could actually do it, but there isn't. A Bush is no different than an Obama, or a Clinton. Our government never gives anything "back" to us once they take it, and they can always find or manufacture enemies to distract us from the fact that they are our actual "worst" enemy. :yep:

Rockstar

06-09-23, 08:02 AM

"Chaaaaaarge...!"

Now someone will and already does present himself as a great innocent lamb who has been severely wronged.

He has been saying the same thing close to EIGHT YEARS when accusations of wrong doing first began.

Towards his disciples he can and will exploit this shamelessly. It is difficult to say whether this will worsen or improve his election prospects.

I’m not one of his disciples and I certainly would not vote for him. My opinion of the situation is an attempt by established power to prevent a citizen of our country running for office. It’s this country’s version of Putin causing someone to accidentally fall out of a window.

Imagine the blame and mockery if they cannot prove what they charge him for and he gets out of it unsentenced - this is a high risk play for those pushing this. Even if they succeed through the court rituals and ghet a sentence, its not certain the Democrats can benefit from it. At least as long as the sentence is such that it does not legally prevent a candidacy/presidency.

Imagine the blame and mockery if they cannot prove what? In case you haven’t already noticed nobody cares one bit about past unproven accusations they're just mesmerized by the spectacle and show. Unproven accusations of collusion, insurrection to name just a few have all gone the way of the Dodo bird. What makes you believe a mob will give a rats arse about the newest fad? Wake me when "journalists" who haven't built careers on hyping up his guilt actually have some useful information accompanied by some hard evidence. Until that time comes this is just more of the same.

I suspect jailing opponents is the wave of the future. But just remember you asked for it, power will always gladly do what people allow them to do all in the name of freedom and democracy of course.

https://i.postimg.cc/HLYFf0cv/IMG-1590.jpg

mapuc

06-09-23, 08:44 AM

Heard in the news(radio) that if Trump get a verdict, some of his hardcore supporters may leave him.

Markus

Rockstar

06-09-23, 08:59 AM

Anyone know why we are told in order for our country to pay its bills we must borrow money to do it and go trillions of dollars deeper in debt? I suppose what makes Trump so popular in peoples minds is the sense of control they have in his future. Whereas how to fix 32 trillion dollar debt, rising interest rates and hold representatives accountable is viewed as hopeless and out of reach.

Skybird

06-09-23, 02:38 PM

The trenches widen, the polarization progresses. The FAZ comments:

(...)
In a constitutional state, which the United States undoubtedly is, no one should be above the law, not even a former president. In principle, then, there is little to object to Trump now being indicted in federal court.

Lax handling of classified government documents is not a trivial offense, especially if you do it the way Trump did. For a court in Miami to determine whether he has committed a crime in doing so is in the interest of all American citizens, who must trust in law and order.

Unfortunately, the United States is also the Western society in which the culture war between left and right is most advanced. The previous proceedings against Trump have already shown how politicized the perception of the judiciary has become. The hard core of his supporters has never been impressed by Trump's legal problems, which are, after all, an expression of manifold political and character deficits.

The way large parts of the Republican base still tick can be seen in the fact that Trump's challengers dare not oppose him even now. The political reading promoted by the once conservative party, which is now infused with strong reactionary currents, is that the administration of his successor is trying to eliminate Trump by legal means.

In terms of electoral strategy, it can be assumed that the case could benefit Trump in the nomination, but Biden in the election. But that inadequately describes the (practical) consequences of one of the most promising contenders for president being mired in criminal trials that could land him in jail.

The reconciliation of America that many had hoped for after Trump's ouster will not happen; the fuse he laid continues to burn. And the judiciary will not emerge from the upcoming mudslinging without damage, in which one will already be grateful if it proceeds peacefully.
(...)

Buddahaid

06-09-23, 07:51 PM

I suggest reading the indictment.
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/06/trump-indictment.pdf

em2nought

06-10-23, 01:59 AM

How dare you peasants think you can chose who represents you as President of the United States, and frankly we don't even need your votes anymore either. We'll never let this happen again! The end. :yeah:

Reece

06-10-23, 03:08 AM

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.GqHZ896GVDmkMSnuVqpNtQAAAA&pid=Api&P=0&h=180

em2nought

06-10-23, 04:59 AM

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.GqHZ896GVDmkMSnuVqpNtQAAAA&pid=Api&P=0&h=180

Louis! :D

Rockstar

06-10-23, 08:17 AM

https://youtu.be/FFQn9VchCyc

Rockstar

06-10-23, 07:06 PM

For those of you who want to pay for the information use this link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-indictment-classified-documents-jack-smith-mar-a-lago-biden-justice-department-81591082?mod=e2tw

For those that don’t use this one: https://archive.ph/xSYiz

Or just read below.

Nobody is above the law yes it’s true but what’s good for goose is good for the gander as well. Just not for those arrogant self righteous Democrats extremists. Who keep on pushing the limits to get there way and jail opponents like their mentor Putin does.

https://i.postimg.cc/5yyVmkLz/IMG-1603.jpg

It’s almost like Democrats want to divide the nation and destroy it so they can swoop in to fix it in their own image. It was recommended that I should read the indictment. My recommendation is for Democrats to pull their heads out their arse and look what they doing to this country.

A Destructive Trump Indictment
Do prosecutors understand the forces they are unleashing?

By The Editorial Board
June 9, 2023 7:09 pm ET

Special Counsel Jack Smith speaks to the press at the Department of Justice in Washington on June 9.
PHOTO: MANDEL NGAN/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
Whether you love or hate Donald Trump, his indictment by President Biden’s Justice Department is a fraught moment for American democracy. For the first time in U.S. history, the prosecutorial power of the federal government has been used against a former President who is also running against the sitting President. This is far graver than the previous indictment by a rogue New York prosecutor, and it will roil the 2024 election and U.S. politics for years to come.
Special counsel Jack Smith announced the indictment in a brief statement on Friday. But no one should be fooled: This is Attorney General Merrick Garland’s responsibility. Mr. Garland appointed Mr. Smith to provide political cover, but Mr. Garland, who reports to Mr. Biden, has the authority to overrule a special counsel’s recommendation. Americans will inevitably see this as a Garland-Biden indictment, and they are right to think so.

***

The indictment levels 37 charges against Mr. Trump that are related to his handling of classified documents, including at his Mar-a-Lago club, since he left the White House. Thirty-one of the counts are for violating the ancient and seldom-enforced Espionage Act for the “willful retention of national defense information.”

But it’s striking, and legally notable, that the indictment never mentions the Presidential Records Act (PRA) that allows a President access to documents, both classified and unclassified, once he leaves office. It allows for good-faith negotiation with the National Archives. Yet the indictment assumes that Mr. Trump had no right to take any classified documents.

This doesn’t fit the spirit or letter of the PRA, which was written by Congress to recognize that such documents had previously been the property of former Presidents. If the Espionage Act means Presidents can’t retain any classified documents, then the PRA is all but meaningless. This will be part of Mr. Trump’s defense.

The other counts are related to failing to turn over the documents or obstructing the attempts by the Justice Department and FBI to obtain them. One allegation is that during a meeting with a writer and three others, none of whom held security clearances, Mr. Trump “showed and described a ‘plan of attack’” from the Defense Department. “As president I could have declassified it,” he said on audio tape. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”

The feds also say Mr. Trump tried to cover up his classified stash by “suggesting that his attorney hide or destroy documents,” as well as by telling an aide to move boxes to conceal them from his lawyer and the FBI.

As usual, Mr. Trump is his own worst enemy. “This would have gone nowhere,” former Attorney General Bill Barr told CBS recently, “had the President just returned the documents. But he jerked them around for a year and a half.”

***

That being said, if prosecutors think that this will absolve them of the political implications of their decision to charge Mr. Trump, they fail to understand what they’ve unleashed.

In the court of public opinion, the first question will be about two standards of justice. Mr. Biden had old classified files stored in his Delaware garage next to his sports car. When that news came out, he didn’t sound too apologetic. “My Corvette’s in a locked garage, OK? So it’s not like they’re sitting out on the street,” Mr. Biden said. AG Garland appointed another special counsel, Robert Hur, to investigate, but Justice isn’t going to indict Mr. Biden.

As for willful, how about the basement email server that Hillary Clinton used as Secretary of State? FBI director James Comey said in 2016 that she and her colleagues “were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.” According to him, 113 emails included information that was classified when it was sent or received. Eight were Top Secret. About 2,000 others were later “upclassified” to Confidential. This was the statement Mr. Comey ended by declaring Mrs. Clinton free and clear, since “no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”

This is the inescapable political context of this week’s indictment. The special counsel could have finished his investigation with a report detailing the extent of Mr. Trump’s recklessness and explained what secrets it could have exposed. Instead the Justice Department has taken a perilous path.

The charges are a destructive intervention into the 2024 election, and the potential trial will hang over the race. They also make it more likely that the election will be a referendum on Mr. Trump, rather than on Mr. Biden’s economy and agenda or a GOP alternative. This may be exactly what Democrats intend with their charges.

Republicans deserve a more competent champion with better character than Mr. Trump. But the indictment might make GOP voters less inclined to provide a democratic verdict on his fitness for a second term. Although the political impact is uncertain, Republicans who are tired of Mr. Trump might rally to his side because they see the prosecution as another unfair Democratic plot to derail him.

***

And what about the precedent? If Republicans win next year’s election, and especially if Mr. Trump does, his supporters will demand that the Biden family be next. Even if Mr. Biden is re-elected, political memories are long.

It was once unthinkable in America that the government’s awesome power of prosecution would be turned on a political opponent. That seal has now been broken. It didn’t need to be. However cavalier he was with classified files, Mr. Trump did not accept a bribe or betray secrets to Russia. The FBI recovered the missing documents when it raided Mar-a-Lago, so presumably there are no more secret attack plans for Mr. Trump to show off.

The greatest irony of the age of Trump is that for all his violating of democratic norms, his frenzied opponents have done and are doing their own considerable damage to democracy.

Otto Harkaman

06-11-23, 06:33 AM

Pence calls for Garland to publicly justify Trump indictment
Pence said during a speech at a North Carolina GOP convention in Greensboro on Saturday that Trump is facing an “unprecedented indictment” from a Justice Department (DOJ) that is “run by” the current president, Joe Biden. He said the day of Trump’s indictment was a “sad day” for the country.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4043872-pence-calls-for-garland-to-publicly-justify-trump-indictment/

Summary by ChatGPT

Former US President Donald Trump has been indicted on 37 counts related to the mishandling of classified documents, including retaining and showing classified information to people without security clearance and obstructing justice.
The charges carry a penalty of up to 20 years in prison. Trump is scheduled to appear in court on Tuesday in South Florida.
Senior Republicans have rallied behind Trump, denouncing the charges as politically motivated and wielding power inappropriately. Some Republican presidential candidates have called for accountability for the "brazen weaponization of power.

https://i.imgflip.com/7oz5vq.jpg

MaDef

06-11-23, 07:21 AM

Can you say, "Banana Republic"?:03:

Buddahaid

06-11-23, 09:25 AM

Rockstar

06-11-23, 09:53 AM

Can you say traitor? The idiot would not be in this position if he did what Pence and Biden did when records were discovered by telling the DOJ to come on over and search. Not Trump, though, he had to stall, and lie, and try to make a deal, etc.

Here's the text of the 2018 Presidential Records Act.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=%2Fprelim%40title44%2Fchapter22&edition=prelim

I don't see anywhere in this document where it says Trump gets to determine what constitutes personal records.

It does say "(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) 1 of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified."

Accused of being being a Traitor now huh? Looks like someone didn’t follow his own advice and read the formal accusations in the indictment.

Here’s how I’m thinking it might play out. Media is already presenting the judge as a Trump supporter. So when she throws the case out. Blue Anon kook fringe Democrats can now claim another conspiracy theory.

I could be wrong and Democrats are the first party in the history of this great nation to succeed in jailing their political opponent. Which will now become the wave of the future in American politics.

“The slow motion assassination of this man by the radical leftist swamp denizens has been brutal to watch. More infuriating is the destruction it’s done to this Republic and to its citizens, who deserve better”. If that’s the case then it can said without a doubt, you my friend are the traitor.

If he is prevented from running he’ll most likely be pardoned by the next president.

Or if he’s cleared and gets enough votes, which is how it should be determined. He could be the next president too.

mapuc

06-11-23, 02:41 PM

After having read an article in a Danish Newspaper I have to ask:

Do you consider Trumps political carrier to be over ?

Can a an inmate run for President in an election ?

Markus

Rockstar

06-11-23, 03:36 PM

Now they’re going after the presiding judge, stirring up the next left wing kook fringe Blue Anon Democrat conspiracy theory.

Here’s why the recusal law REQUIRES Judge Cannon to turn the Trump trial over to a judge whose “impartiality” cannot “reasonably be questioned” the way hers clearly will be — regardless of how she conducts the trial. Nothing good can come of this!

Buddahaid

06-11-23, 11:04 PM

Yes, traitor in my opinion. He should relish getting the harshest sentence since he called for just that about people damaging US property. Reap what you sow.

Aileen Cannon should know enough to recuse herself. We’ll see.

Rockstar

06-11-23, 11:08 PM

https://youtu.be/B2jyzp09_g8

Skybird

06-12-23, 05:22 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65875898

William Barr, the former US attorney general who served under Donald Trump, has said the ex-president is "toast" if allegations he mishandled classified documents are proven to be true.

Skybird

06-12-23, 05:27 AM

https://youtu.be/FFQn9VchCyc
"... our clowns in chief will not know what hit them." :D :haha:
They WILL go with gold one day, i say this since years. Its the logical step in a confrontation designed to kick the US off their throne.
I definitely fear this, because it means massive economical disruptions, and it means the Western states most likely will declare another gold prohibition to enforce their next idea of a new FIAT counterfeit "money".

Onkel Neal

06-12-23, 06:51 AM

Trump is nailed dead to rights, and what matters most of all is that it’s not on some technical offense. What he was doing, before only a physical raid on Mar-a-Lago stopped this madness, turns out to have been less an act of mere carelessness than an active threat to United States national security, one fueled solely by Trump’s demented behavior and sense of self-entitlement.

Trump’s Indictment Is Worse Than You Think It Is (https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/06/trumps-indictment-is-worse-than-you-think-it-is/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=second)

Fingers crossed.

The case begins the day Trump left office with boxes and boxes of items — some entirely personal but many highly classified — and took them to his Mar-a-Lago estate. The third paragraph of the indictment is damning as to the nature of the material Trump absconded with: “The classified documents TRUMP stored in his boxes included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities, of both the United States and foreign countries; United States nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack.” Those are not mere keepsakes.

There is a moment in the indictment, a recorded conversation between Trump and a staffer, that must be preserved here for posterity, because it is his legal epitaph:

TRUMP: This totally wins my case, you know

STAFFER: Mm-hm.

TRUMP: Except that it is, like, highly confidential.

Caught on tape destroying the legal argument he has been content to farm out to his loudest defenders for months: That’s our Trump.

mapuc

06-12-23, 07:22 AM

So in other words-He's toast

Going to be interesting to follow his supporters and their argument for his release or being innocent..

Yes you are innocent until proven guilty. I however is convinced that he will be found guilty on some of these 37+ accounts and each of them give prison.

Markus

Catfish

06-12-23, 07:43 AM

^ He will be if at least one of all those accusations is true. Barr seems to be confident.

Rockstar

06-12-23, 08:21 AM

SPECTACLE

https://i.postimg.cc/6qDPF8N0/IMG-1621.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/L47GJbZ1/IMG-1622.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/kgrQRxcs/IMG-1623.jpg

Rockstar

06-12-23, 09:13 AM

I-95 collapse in Philadelphia: Detour routes created as full rebuild could take months
Grace Hauck
USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/12/interstate-95-collapse-philadelphia-detours-alternate-routes-delays/70312315007/

https://youtu.be/yg4IzxIHRT0

Rockstar

06-12-23, 10:59 AM

^ He will be if at least one of all those accusations is true. Barr seems to be confident.

Trump may be. But keeping everything Barr said in context when referring to the new, new, new indictment he did suggest “Trump is toast” but it should in no way imply he’s confident. Because he ended the statement with the explanation to prevent such misinterpretation, “IF it’s true”. (like the Steele Dosier, collusion, Manchurian candidate, insurrection, traitor, and all the other sensational accusations that have been made).

Unfortunetly, the mob never steps back not even for a moment and thinks. It’s just full steam ahead being lead around by the nose with one accusation after another, like fookin’ cattle. It’s the immediate spectacle the mob craves, nothing will change their mind.

mapuc

06-12-23, 12:02 PM

Trump may be. But keeping everything Barr said in context when referring to the new, new, new indictment he did suggest “Trump is toast” but it should in no way imply he’s confident. Because he ended the statement with the explanation to prevent such misinterpretation, “IF it’s true”. (like the Steele Dosier, collusion, Manchurian candidate, insurrection, traitor, and all the other sensational accusations that have been made).

Unfortunetly, the mob never steps back not even for a moment and thinks. It’s just full steam ahead being lead around by the nose with one accusation after another like cattle. It’s the immediate spectacle the mob craves, nothing will change their mind.

I don't see myself as a part of a mob since I don't care who was or is your President.

It was based on the news I have heard and read who made me write

"So in other words-He's toast"

'cause the press have already declared him guilty.

I hope that he will get a verdict = Innocent.

This is due to my wish that he may become the President again..Just to see many of my friends getting a heart attack

To be honest who high chances does he have ?

Edit
Saw this status on Twitter.
A sitting president arresting his political opponent is the ultimate weaponization of government.

Joe Biden’s administration has shamefully crossed into waters charted only by banana republics.

https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1667181707202555905
End edit

Markus

Buddahaid

06-12-23, 06:26 PM

Rockstar

06-12-23, 06:26 PM

I don't see myself as a part of a mob since I don't care who was or is your President.

It was based on the news I have heard and read who made me write

"So in other words-He's toast"

'cause the press have already declared him guilty.

I hope that he will get a verdict = Innocent.

This is due to my wish that he may become the President again..Just to see many of my friends getting a heart attack

To be honest who high chances does he have ?

Edit
Saw this status on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1667181707202555905
End edit

Markus

His chances? Kook fringe left wing Blue Anon Democrats and the media created this monster and like clockwork they continue to shower Trump with attention free of charge. Like Trump, Democrats don’t seem to know when to shut the hell up. IMO all this attention is likely increasing his chances of being elected again. But if he’s ends up getting railroaded into jail we might see isolated cases of violence from kook fringe right wing Qanon elements.

”I’m going off the rails on a Crazy Train!”

https://youtu.be/Djrl6fu8myo

Rockstar

06-12-23, 06:54 PM

You will see the mob tomorrow.

I catch a glimpse of them every time I read one of your’s or the other usual suspects posts over the last 6 years of accusations.

Buddahaid

06-12-23, 08:12 PM

I catch a glimpse of them every time I read one of your’s or the other usual suspects posts over the last 6 years of accusations.

Let's hope no one gets killed tomorrow by the nice other mob then.

Nice take on the two tiered justice system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYpsDUfGbgA&t=129s

August

06-12-23, 09:03 PM

Nice take on the two tiered justice system.

You really like this basement dweller it seems.

Rockstar

06-12-23, 09:13 PM

Let's hope no one gets killed tomorrow by the nice other mob then.

Let's hope so. The kook fringe Blue Anon Democrats defund the police campaign got enough killed already.

Buddahaid

06-12-23, 09:19 PM

He does make level-headed sense no matter where he dwells. How's that 45 million dollar police malpractice verdict setting in at New Haven? Or are you in Maine, I forget?

Buddahaid

06-12-23, 09:23 PM

Let's hope so. The kook fringe Blue Anon Democrats defund the police campaign got enough killed already.

Nice try to deflect from Trump's call to arms for manana. Anything bad that happens as a result of that will only work against dear fascist MAGA leader.

Rockstar

06-12-23, 09:48 PM

Nice try to deflect from Trump's call to arms for manana. Anything bad that happens as a result of that will only work against dear fascist MAGA leader.

:har::har: OK, If you say so. I reckon the same could said of the relentless 7 years of accusations could drive people to do stupid things too. It’s almost like some people are doing everything in their power to spark violence. Then those same people will step in to fix the problem with more ideas of increasing control.

Buddahaid

06-12-23, 10:16 PM

:har::har: OK, If you say so. I reckon the same could said of the relentless 7 years of accusations could drive people to do stupid things too. It’s almost like you want it to happen.

You always fail to take into account how the legal system works, and the time that can be spent bringing cases to trial. You only highlight your ignorance of the judicial system by doing so, and I don't mean that in a name calling manner.

No, I don't want any violence to happen and I'm not one of the people calling for civil war because their ideals are no longer a popular majority, and don't win elections! I hate how Trumpism has been twisted into a Fascist movement that disregards the ideals and hopes this country was founded on.

Trumps own words about those who spill confidential documents are now turned back on him and he squeals like a stuck pig calling for civil unrest.

Senate Republicans do not back him anymore and wish him and MAGA gone.

Buddahaid

06-12-23, 10:27 PM

And you're an expert. OK :haha:

No, I'm an observer of the process and follow the litigation so I know where things stand, but fair point.

Rockstar

06-12-23, 11:05 PM

Sorry I was editing my post and just ended up deleting the entire thing while you were posting a response. Nothing against you, I did it just to aggrevate Dowly :D

Rockstar

06-12-23, 11:08 PM

Basically I was trying to get a point across that though I’m no expert I know a bit about how fast the judicial system can work. Having caught a few drug smugglers back in the day it only took a few months before I was called to testify in federal court. And I sure as hell didn’t spend seven years throwing crap on the wall to see what sticks to build a case or make up stories and accuse them of things they didn’t do.

Torvald Von Mansee

06-13-23, 02:55 AM

Wait... shouldn't there be a Politics thread for 2023?

August

06-13-23, 09:10 AM

He does make level-headed sense no matter where he dwells. How's that 45 million dollar police malpractice verdict setting in at New Haven? Or are you in Maine, I forget?

To you he makes sense. To me he sounds like a basement dwelling nut. Don't know what you are trying to imply with the rest of it. I haven't heard of any police malpractice verdict. Maybe you can enlighten me as to why it would be germane to the discussion?

Rockstar

06-13-23, 01:10 PM

Be warned, they will ruin a good thing every chance they get.

https://i.postimg.cc/bvb7gkxH/IMG-1636.jpg

mapuc

06-13-23, 02:18 PM

US Marshall have arrested him.

Some thoughts about your juridical system.

I know you have something called Bail which mean a person can go free until the trial start I also know that the price of this bail depends on what the accused have done.

I also know that there are example where the accused is kept under arrest

Will the same happen here ?
The Judge set a bail for xx million Dollars
Or will the Judge keep him in arrest until the trial is over ?

Edit
He has been released again.
End edit

Markus

Skybird

06-13-23, 02:48 PM

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung comments soberly:

The indictment against Trump is damning. But the Republicans have learned nothing from the storm on the Capitol. They are joining in the martial rhetoric of their tribune of the people. In doing so, they are once again accepting political violence.

Otto Harkaman

06-13-23, 03:44 PM

Ha how ironic, Germans lecturing on political violence

Why do you think this is going to stop with arrest and imprisonment? It just affirms suspicions, maybe its just the beginning of the beginning.

Otto Harkaman

06-13-23, 03:50 PM

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/06/1920/1080/cartoon.png

Skybird

06-13-23, 07:27 PM

Ha how ironic, Germans lecturing on political violence
Zürich lies in Switzerland.

Rockstar

06-13-23, 08:55 PM

Everyone welcome the mightiest banana republic the world has ever seen.

FLASHBACK: Biden Insists He’s ‘Making Sure Trump Does Not Become President Again’
By ChrisJune 13, 2023Updated:June 13, 2023

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/flashback-biden-vows-in-making-sure-trump-does-not-become-president-again-mace

During a press conference held in November 0f 2022, Joe Biden made some concerning remarks about his predecessor, former President Donald Trump, potentially returning to power. Looking back many have interpreted his words as an admission of fear that he cannot beat Trump in a fair election.

The issue arose when Biden was asked to address so-called international concerns about Trump’s possible return to the political scene. His response? A laugh, followed by a pledge to use the “legitimate efforts of our Constitution” to ensure Trump doesn’t become president again if he decides to run.

TRANSCRIPT:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/11/09/remarks-by-president-biden-in-press-conference-8/

Q – So the entire genesis of that G7 conversation was tied to your predecessor, who is about to launch another campaign. So how do you reassure them, if that is the reason for their questioning, that the former President will not return or that his political movement, which is still very strong, will not —

BIDEN:: Oh, yeah? (Laughs.)

Q — once again take power in the United States?

BIDEN: Well, we just have to demonstrate that he will not take power by — if we — if he does run. I’m making sure he, under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again.

Nancy Mace was keen to bring back the old clip following Trump’s highly anticipated second indictment since Biden made these claims. “Just in case anyone is confused what this is really about, this is the President last November,” Mace wrote.

You don’t need to be a Trump supporter to view this as a thinly veiled threat to use legal maneuvers to prevent Trump from even having a chance to run. After Tuesday, Trump will have endured two arraignments since Biden made these claims, pointing more and more towards what many perceive as election interference.

Biden’s statements came in response to a question about how he would reassure international leaders, raising questions about whether he’s more concerned about the opinions of foreign heads of state than those of the American people.

https://i.postimg.cc/VLZKddjm/IMG-1639.jpg

Otto Harkaman

06-14-23, 03:07 AM

Zürich lies in Switzerland.

I meant you. Tribune of the People is he referring to Trump as one of the Gracchi? Yeah that might be fitting, not exactly parallel but probably just as critical historically in our Republic.

Rockstar

06-14-23, 08:44 AM

So, the only one arrested at Trumps arraignment was a Democrat resorting to violence. :har::har:

“Anti-Trump protester in prison uniform holding 'lock him up' sign is arrested for running in front of ex-president's motorcade as secret service swiftly moves in to detain him“

Rockstar

06-14-23, 09:12 AM

Rising tribalism and political street fights could be a precursor to civil war

We are now at the "President has Arrested his political rival" phase.

Libs and leftists will make any and every argument as to why its justified but of course that doesnt matter

Every dictator gives a reason why they arrest their rivals (see Putin for instance)

BIDEN: “Well, we just have to demonstrate that he will not take power by — if we — if he does run. I’m making sure he, under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again.”

mapuc

06-14-23, 09:20 AM

Rockstar

06-14-23, 09:28 AM

- Former President has taken top secret paper from office when they left..Said Trump yesterday.

I can't say if they did.

What I wonder is, how did they treat these top secret ?

From the news here we learned that Trump treated these papers badly..Almost every person who hasn't the right to read these paper, could do so.

Markus

I think the problem most voters have with what’s going on is that previous presidents including Biden have done the same thing. To top it off Biden has also made it publicly known he is trying to prevent the only candidate who can beat him in an election from ever running again.

BIDEN: “Well, we just have to demonstrate that he will not take power by — if we — if he does run. I’m making sure he, under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again.”

It was no secret everybody knew what documents Trump had in his possession while his lawyers were trying to make the case they were his, just like other presidents have done.

Rockstar

06-14-23, 09:30 AM

https://youtu.be/AcWOZYzbBX0

mapuc

06-14-23, 09:45 AM

I think the problem most voters have with what’s going on is that previous presidents including Biden have done the same thing. To top it off Biden has also made it publicly known he is trying to prevent the only candidate who can beat him in an election from ever running again.

It was no secret everybody knew what documents Trump had in his possession while his lawyers were trying to make the case they were his, just like other presidents have done.

If true then it is...a political scandal.

Markus

Rockstar

06-14-23, 12:13 PM

Ya think? Of course it’s politically motivated, Biden’s own words confirm that. Made even by easier the mob of brainless, gullible, halfwits, out there who believe or push every accusation they hear and the sadists who simply don’t care and just enjoy inflicting pain. It’s scary when you start thinking about how many of those people like that are out there, including The Neue Zürcher Zeitung.

August

06-14-23, 12:42 PM

DeSantis is a better choice than Trump to drain the deep state as he has the administrative ability to actually do it.

EXCLUSIVE: The DeSantis Plan To Wage War on ‘Weaponized’ DOJ

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has been working for months on plans to tear down and rebuild both the Department of Justice and the FBI, consulting with experts and members of Congress to develop a “Day One” strategy to end what conservatives see as the weaponization of the justice system.
The governor has privately told advisors that he will hire and fire plenty of federal personnel, reorganize entire agencies, and execute a “disciplined” and “relentless” strategy to restore the Justice Department to a mission more in line with what the “Founding Fathers envisioned.”
But his ambitions go beyond bureaucratic restructuring. He wants to physically remove large swathes of the DOJ from the District of Columbia, including FBI headquarters, RealClearPolitics is first to report.
“We’re not going to let all this power accumulate in Washington, we’re going to break up these agencies,” DeSantis said during a private strategy session over the weekend, excerpts of which were obtained exclusively by RCP. He vowed in that call to order “some of the problematic components of the DOJ” be uprooted, reorganized, and then promptly “shipped to other parts of the country.”
This fits with one of the central themes of the DeSantis campaign, namely that he’d be “an energetic executive,” a president with the focus and attention to detail necessary to make the most of his Article II powers. On the stump, the governor regularly wins applause from primary voters for promising not just to wage war on the so-called deep state, but to end it.
The goal, according to senior outside advisors, ought to be returning the DOJ and FBI to a more limited “pre-9/11” mission. Republicans were outraged last Friday when former President Trump was indicted for mishandling classified documents. DeSantis has condemned that move, and his campaign scheduled the Saturday conference call “not knowing,” he told advisors, that there would be “news last night.” But the governor is also intimately familiar with conservative gripes about political bias inside President Biden’s Department of Justice. They have been central to his campaign.
“We’ve seen throughout this country that the DOJ and the FBI are controlled by one faction of our society,” DeSantis said on the call, pointing to how those agencies were “going after pro-life activists,” wrongfully investigating parents at school board meetings “who are concerned about things like critical race theory, and forcing kids to wear masks,” and “colluding with tech companies to censor information such as what they did with the 2020 election.”

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/06/13/exclusive_the_desantis_plan_to_wage_war_on_weaponi zed_doj.html#2

Rockstar

06-14-23, 12:45 PM

https://youtu.be/e5j6QWMRB9M

Buddahaid

06-14-23, 12:51 PM

That’s the cheap copout version. It’s really because Trump willfully retained and obstructed to keep the documents instead of cooperating on their recovery. He continues to lie to his base about that and lie about the Presidential Records Act. He has only himself to blame for this indictment, and, he is being treated with kid gloves instead of cooling his heels in detention as any other citizen would be in the same circumstance. Remember all this started well before he announced his candidacy which gives the lie to the election interference claims which he now tries to get sympathy with.

mapuc

06-14-23, 01:19 PM

^ This is what they have said here in the news, that Trump in no way have cooperated with the FBI.

I'm still thinking on this claim that Biden should have said he would prevent him from running again.

As I wrote before if true then it is a political scandal.

Markus

Rockstar

06-14-23, 01:35 PM

^This is what they have said here in the news, that Trump in no way have cooperated with the FBI.

He contested the demands through legal channels and eventually turned over the documents.

I'm still thinking on this claim that Biden should have said he would prevent him from running again.

As I wrote before if true then it is a political scandal.

Markus

The comment is documented on the official U.S. Government 'The White House' website. you'll have to scroll down almost halfway to find it where Phil Mattingly from CNN begins asking questions

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/11/09/remarks-by-president-biden-in-press-conference-8/

Okay. Phil. Phil Mattingly, CNN.

...

Q So the entire genesis of that G7 conversation was tied to your predecessor, who is about to launch another campaign. So how do you reassure them, if that is the reason for their questioning, that the former President will not return or that his political movement, which is still very strong, will not —

THE PRESIDENT: Oh, yeah? (Laughs.)

Q — once again take power in the United States?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, we just have to demonstrate that he will not take power by — if we — if he does run. I’m making sure he, under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again.

Q Thanks.

Buddahaid

06-14-23, 01:35 PM

That claim is BS. Biden has no need to say anything as Trump will self destruct on his own.

mapuc

06-14-23, 01:52 PM

That claim is BS. Biden has no need to say anything as Trump will self destruct on his own.

The words said by Biden is there on whitehouse.gov homepage.
Which Rockstar linked to.

Why he said it I can't say.

Markus

Skybird

06-14-23, 02:21 PM

https://youtu.be/AcWOZYzbBX0

Voltaire: Every paper currency ultimately returns to its intrinsic value: zero.

The guy in that video is late with his warning in that video. I warn of these developments since years. :D

BTW, neither the US-Dollar, nor any other FIAT money including Pound Sterling and D-Mark, were ever stable currencies. They all constantly lost buying power. The stable D-Mark is a well-nursed German myth, it was indeed soft like melting butter, and the Dollar before the flood of symptoms for a systemic crisis 2007 had already lost - I now forgot the exact number, but it was in the range of over 90% - the dollar had lost 90+% of its buying power compared to its status at the end of the civil war. I think it was 97% loss that I red in a book two or three years ago. You get the idea.

FIAT money IS NO MONEY. Its counting units, not money. Real money is a commodity like any other. This does not mean imagining an intrinsically worthless FIAT currency and then demanding that it be treated like a real commodity with intrinsic value, but it means that an existing commodity is entrusted by consensus of market participants with the additional functions of a real money - universal exchangeability, practical denomination, indestructibility, limited physical availability, etc. - and thus becomes the money of this market. At the same time, this money always has the intrinsic value that the market assigns to this commodity. Politicians, and this is what annoys them about it, have no say in this formation of value. They cannot endlessly waste it to bribe voters. This places limits on their ability to issue money, because the reserves of such money are physically limited, and the quantity cannot be inflated at will, as is the case with FIAT currency. The purpose of central banks and FIAT currency is to be able to issue unlimited amounts of counterfeit money, and to talk people into buying state-announced worthless scraps of paper for their real, intrinsically valuable goods, commodities and possessions that then end up somewhere up the food chain. In the worst case one forces the people then with weapon at point blank range to give out their values for worthless state scrap receipt. Robbery, in other words. This is called a gold ban, or socialization of private property. And then democracies are just as vicious and brutal and greedy as socialist dictatorships.

To say "Wehret den Anfängen", is unfortunately too late, because these beginnings are already years and decades behind us. Also the Euro, and especially the Euro, has been introduced for this purpose. Unification of the European currencies, then their dematerialization by conversion into pure digital mumbo-jumbo. And then nobody can escape the plundering and enslavement anymore. And there we go straight into the medival feudalism.

What is the intrinsic value of bits or bytes? Probably measured in electrons?

The introduction of a gold-backed currency system does not require millions of tons of gold, as some say. Basically, a few high hundred to low thousands will do. That China and Russia and a few others will drop the dollar in the long run and try a gold-backed currency - well, I've been predicting that for more than ten years.

People, hold material, movable property that you can hide from the state, the big plunderer. Paper stuff is paper stuff when the devil dances on the tables. You can wipe your butts with it. And you can't even do that with just digital money.

FIAT money, centralks banks, fractional reserve banking - the three gravediggers of every economy and nation. And in the end: of liberty, freedom.

em2nought

06-14-23, 02:40 PM

DeSantis is a better choice than Trump to drain the deep state as he has the administrative ability to actually do it.

In regard to breaking things up, I'm all for farming out prisons to "Chyna". :D

mapuc

06-14-23, 02:47 PM

If he get a prison sentence

Can he then run for office in jail ?
(Have been reading here and there about Trump running for office)

Edit
He can and it has happen before-1920
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/06/trump-running-for-president-prison-00090931
End edit

Markus

em2nought

06-14-23, 03:31 PM

mapuc

06-14-23, 03:58 PM

He'd have scored more votes if he'd been urging the people to resist paying the income tax levied to pay for WW1. :D

No doubt that he will get more than 1 million votes which this person from 1920 got.

Important is:
He is Innocent until proven guilty or not guilty.

Markus

Skybird

06-14-23, 05:25 PM

He is Innocent until proven guilty or not guilty.

:D Eh - what...? :haha:

Reece

06-14-23, 06:18 PM

He's either innocent of being guilty or guilty of being innocent!! :D

MaDef

06-14-23, 07:17 PM

De Santis isn't ready. (the founding fathers had nothing to do with establishing the DOJ)

The governor has privately told advisors that he will hire and fire plenty of federal personnel, reorganize entire agencies, and execute a “disciplined” and “relentless” strategy to restore the Justice Department to a mission more in line with what the “Founding Fathers envisioned.”
But his ambitions go beyond bureaucratic restructuring. He wants to physically remove large swathes of the DOJ from the District of Columbia, including FBI headquarters, RealClearPolitics is first to report.

The Attorney General position was created in 1789 and his primary duties were to represent the U.S before the Supreme Court (which was created by the same Act). The DOJ was not created until After the Civil War, and was primarily set to deal with the problems of Reconstruction in the Southern U.S.

Torvald Von Mansee

06-14-23, 09:32 PM

I am convinced that many of you will look outside your windows and see something like this:

https://wallpapers.com/images/high/sky-filled-with-psychedelic-cloud-6dhiry5xtsvl1o89.webp

Rockstar

06-14-23, 09:41 PM

Nope, but I have seen something very similar to this. Mine though had eyes in the fractals and waaaay down in the center was a happy being gesturing for me to come in.

https://i.postimg.cc/7PXCjqhz/IMG-1650.jpg

Jimbuna

06-15-23, 05:47 AM

He's either innocent of being guilty or guilty of being innocent!! :D

Just about sums everything up and done in only the one sentence :salute:

mapuc

06-15-23, 07:11 AM

He's either innocent of being guilty or guilty of being innocent!! :D

:har: :har:

Don't say I ain't funny.

The correct term should be innocent until proven guilty

Markus

Reece

06-15-23, 07:59 AM

What some may not realize is that either way means the same thing - innocent! :yep:

August

06-15-23, 08:23 AM

He is Innocent until proven guilty or not guilty

Markus, you put that correctly. "Innocent until proven guilty or not guilty" is just fine. Don't let some German idiot whose English is worse than yours get away with mocking you.

Skybird

06-15-23, 08:33 AM

What some may not realize is that either way means the same thing - innocent! :yep:
No. It ends with "guilty" in any case.

Skybird

06-15-23, 08:38 AM

:har: :har:

Don't say I ain't funny.

Thats the spirit! We all are at times. I recall that many years ago I publicly reasoned about that AvalonLady's longer absence back then means that she had something on her mind, some thinking about something, and I said, equivalent to a German phrase (über einer Idee brüten") "She is breeding an idea".

Well, the best i could do then was to laugh louder about myself than all others. :D

mapuc

06-15-23, 08:48 AM

Markus, you put that correctly. "Innocent until proven guilty or not guilty" is just fine. Don't let some German idiot whose English is worse than yours get away with mocking you.

Ohh no don't call another debater ugly words..

Some here are convinced that he will get a sentence.

They may be right, but until then....innocent...

Markus

August

06-15-23, 01:22 PM

Ohh no don't call another debater ugly words..

Some here are convinced that he will get a sentence.

They may be right, but until then....innocent...

Markus

Some here have been just as convinced he would get a sentence at least a dozen times since he took office, they ain't been right yet. Maybe they'll get lucky this time.

Meanwhile the current Bozo in Chief wants to build train tracks across the Indian ocean:

"We have plans to build a railroad from the Pacific all the way across the Indian Ocean," Biden told the League of Conservation Voters at their annual dinner in Washington, D.C. (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/washington-dc), on Wednesday night. "We have plans to build in Angola, one of the largest solar plants in the world. I could go on, but I'm not. I'm going off script. I'm going to get in trouble."https://rare.us/rare-politics/biden-says-he-plans-to-build-a-railroad-from-the-pacific-all-the-way-to-the-indian-ocean-video/

Buddahaid

06-15-23, 05:33 PM

Meanwhile the Magnuts in the House fail to censure Adam Schiff as MAGA continues to lose traction among House Republicans.

Rockstar

06-15-23, 05:41 PM

Meanwhile some sources are reporting wife of Biden bribery whistleblower Mykola Lisin (who is also dead) has been found dead and her child kidnapped.

Oh, and by the way it appears Trump was right again. Patient ZERO was a scientist working at the WUHAN lab. Kinda looks like what all the usual kook fringe suspects and Fauci loving gullible half-wits around the world said were just anti-science, anti-vax or q-anon conspiracy theories have instead turned out to be actually true. Those were the same kook fringe heartless inhuman kool-aid drinkers that demanded the unvaxxed be denied health care and lose their jobs if they didn’t comply. I'm sure some even reminisced about the good old days of KZ camps for those so-called deniers. You know who you are, you cowards. Thank god that the good people with common sense still exist in the world, otherwise you morons would have been dead a long time ago.

Public Service Announcement: It has been reported there are elements of blue anon kook fringe that still want people with common sense to believe a simple campaign slogan is now some kind of political organization. Oh, I’m sure kook fringe blue anon kool-aid drinkers see MAGA everywhere but I think it’s fair to say nobody else does.

mapuc

06-16-23, 04:45 AM

Ok an inmate can run for office.

Now let presume Trump win the election from his cell.

What then ??

Has he to be in jail the time he got or is he free ?

Markus

August

06-16-23, 07:55 AM

Ok an inmate can run for office.

Now let presume Trump win the election from his cell.

What then ??

Has he to be in jail the time he got or is he free ?

Markus

It's uncharted ground obviously but from what I read any prison sentence would be postponed at least until he left office. Then there is the debate whether Trump could pardon himself of all federal charges if he were to become POTUS again.

mapuc

06-16-23, 08:39 AM

It's uncharted ground obviously but from what I read any prison sentence would be postponed at least until he left office. Then there is the debate whether Trump could pardon himself of all federal charges if he were to become POTUS again.

I tried to find an answer on the web without any luck, then I changed search parameter and found this interesting read

What happens then? As I explain below, the best reading of the Constitution would render him ineligible to serve as President while in prison but in any plausible scenario in which Trump returns to the Oval Office in 2025, the only actors authorized to declare him ineligible would be extremely unlikely to do so. Thus, we face the genuine possibility that Trump would serve some or all of a presidential term while in prison.

https://verdict.justia.com/2023/04/12/can-a-president-serve-from-prison-we-might-find-out

Markus

Skybird

06-16-23, 10:13 AM

I tried to find an answer on the web without any luck, then I changed search parameter and found this interesting read

https://verdict.justia.com/2023/04/12/can-a-president-serve-from-prison-we-might-find-out

Markus, if the Americans would put up with being presided over by a convicted felon who is in prison - then they would deserve exactly that and nothing better. America would become the laughing stock of the world, many states would probably not sign any binding treaties with such an America because of their own legal situation, since on the other side a convicted felon would sign whose legal legitimacy to conclude treaties might be given according to American understanding, but perhaps not according to the legal canon of many other countries. From their point of view, there is simply no legitimate treaty signatory for the American side, and the demand of the Republicans that Trump's legitimacy in prison be recognized is just an ideological demand, but not a binding law to which other states would have to submit.

In other words, if it comes to that, I recommend that you set up a popcorn subscription in good time, because it will quickly become scarce. And for the American-international relations it would be a single devastation.

I expect the current impeachment to help Trump in the intra-party nomination process, but if nominated then to drag him down in the campaign against Biden. Whether the non-orange Republicans could prevail against the Trumpists if Trump is found guilty before the nomination is finalized, I dare not predict. But I have my doubts. American internal polarization has reached the point where the country resembles a madhouse in these matters, where any absurdity, however abstruse and self-defeating, seems possible. In the long run, a total fanatization of two camps of left and right is conceivable - and from there on it becomes really dangerous at some point. At the time of the last Gulf War, I predicted the possibility of the formation of a police-state-like radical and religious right-wing dictatorship in the USA. And I don't take back a word of that, because Trumpism is also further strengthened by an inherently violent player, namely religious fundamentalism.

In the overall view, this mixture of factors is extremely dangerous. A dictatorship always becomes possible when people consider its emergence impossible.

August

06-16-23, 11:53 AM

6 Reasons DOJ’s ‘Get Trump’ Documents Case Is Seriously Flawed

By: Will Scharf (https://thefederalist.com/author/willscharf/)
June 16, 2023

I am a former assistant U.S. attorney, worked on two Supreme Court confirmations, and clerked for two federal appellate judges. I have reviewed the indictment brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith in the documents case against former President Donald Trump, and have serious concerns with the way this case is being framed in the public and with some aspects of the way the prosecution itself is being conducted.
Here are six major issues I see that need to be addressed by the special counsel’s team.

1. Interplay Between the Espionage Act and the Presidential Records Act

Others have already spoken insightfully about the scope of the Presidential Records Act (PRA). Mike Davis of the Article III Project has published and spoken on the subject, and Michael Bekesha of Judicial Watch had a fascinating article in The Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/clintons-sock-drawer-and-trumps-indictment-documents-pra-personal-files-13986b28)detailing his experience litigating the Clinton Sock Drawer Case.
Basically, their argument distills down to the idea that the president’s authority to retain personal records, as well as his rights to access his presidential records, make it impossible to prosecute him under the Espionage Act section at issue here, § 793(e), because the government cannot prove “unauthorized possession,” as required under the statute.
I want to make a different point relating to the intent element of the Espionage Act, the statute Trump is being charged under.
Section 793(e) requires the government to prove that the defendant knew he had National Defense Information (NDI) in his possession, knew there was a government official entitled to receive the information, and then willfully failed to deliver it to that official.
This is a very high set of mens rea bars to jump in any circumstance. Proving a defendant’s intent and knowledge can often be tough. But it’s even tougher here because of the Presidential Records Act.
The Presidential Records Act sets up a system where the president designates all records that he creates either as presidential or personal records (44 U.S.C. § 2203(b)). A former president is supposed to turn over his presidential records to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), and he has the right to keep his personal records.
Based on the documents I’ve read and his actions I’ve read about, I believe Trump viewed his “boxes” as his personal records under the PRA. There are statements he made, quoted in the indictment, that support that view. If Trump considered the contents of these boxes to be of purely personal interest, hence his designation of them as personal records, did he knowingly retain NDI?
Did he really think these documents, like years-old briefing notes and random maps, jumbled together with his letters, news clippings, scribbled notes, and random miscellaneous items, “could be used to the injury of the United States”? Or did he just think of them as mementos of his time in office, his personal records of the four years, akin to a journal or diary?
If he thought these boxes were his personal records, he may have believed NARA simply had no right to receive them at all — meaning he did not willfully withhold anything from an official he knew had the right to receive them because he didn’t believe that anyone had the right to receive them.
By breathlessly bandying around classification levels and markings, the special counsel is trying to make this case seem much, much simpler than it is. Classification levels do not automatically make something NDI, and having classified documents in your possession is not enough to convict here. It is simply not the case that the fact that previously classified documents were found in boxes in a Mar-a-Lago bathroom means Trump is guilty.
That’s what they want you to think, and that has the media’s inch-deep view for the most part, but it’s dead wrong.
More than anything, this case hinges on the ability of the special counsel to prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” aspects of Trump’s state of mind that will be extremely difficult to prove in this case because of his obligations and rights under the Presidential Records Act — in addition to all of the usual issues.

2. Classification and National Defense Information

Just because something is classified — even Top Secret, SCI, NOFORN, FISA, pick your alphabet soup — does not mean it is National Defense Information within the meaning of the Espionage Act. NDI, for the purposes of an Espionage Act prosecution, is defined as one of a long list of items “relating to the national defense which information the possessor had reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.”
A lot of the documents listed in the indictment are older, or seemingly random. Would Trump in 2022 have had reason to know that a 2019 briefing document “related to various foreign countries, with handwritten annotation in black marker” could harm the U.S. or help foreign countries?
It is tough to say because we cannot see the documents, but that is a question the jury is going to have to decide in the end, and Trump’s legal team needs to drive home this point over and over again: Classification is not dispositive in this case. Harm to America or benefit to foreign countries is the standard.
Anyone who has worked around government knows that overclassification is a huge problem. A ton of documents end up being classified because of arcane technical rules that may not reflect the real world. If the president were to ask the Navy what’s for lunch for the next week at Coronado, for example, there is a good chance the answer comes back with a classification marker on it.
To put it simply, not everything classified constitutes NDI. This case revolves around actual legal standards and statutory language, not a bunch of scary-looking all-caps acronyms.

3. Walt Nauta and DOJ Misconduct

Far and away the most troubling side story to emerge from this saga so far are the allegations made by Trump aide and co-defendant Walt Nauta’s lawyer last week.
You may have missed it if you blinked. Not surprisingly, the corporate media have mostly buried this one.
Nauta’s lawyer, Stanley Woodward, alleged in a court filing that during a meeting with prosecutors about his client’s case, the head of the Counterintelligence Section of DOJ’s National Security Division Jay Bratt “suggested Woodward’s judicial application [for a DC Superior Court judgeship] might be considered more favorably if he and his client cooperated against Trump.”
If true, and I find it hard to believe that Woodward just made the whole thing up, this is wild misconduct. Truly wild. It could undermine the entire case against both Trump and Nauta. It could end careers at DOJ if fairly investigated.
Woodward is a highly accomplished lawyer. He spent a decade at Akin Gump, a top law firm, clerked on the D.C. Circuit, and has very substantial experience in government investigations. This is not some fly-by-night TV lawyer. He is a legal heavyweight, and he is leveling an extremely serious allegation of misconduct against a senior official at DOJ.
Watch this issue as the case against Trump and Nauta begins to move. We will all hear more about it, I am sure.

4. Attorney-Client Privilege

The indictment relies on a significant amount of information received, in one form or another, from one of Trump’s lawyers, Evan Corcoran, who was compelled to testify in front of the grand jury. According to news reports, the argument for breaching the privilege was the crime-fraud exception, which is worth examining in greater detail.
The attorney-client privilege protects from disclosure to the government confidential communications made between clients and their attorneys. It has been around for centuries and is considered a core protection in our system of justice.
The crime-fraud exception, though, allows the attorney-client privilege to be broken in rare circumstances when two requirements are met: First, there needs to be a prima facie showing that the client was engaged in criminal conduct. Second, the client has to have obtained or sought the attorney’s assistance in furthering that crime.
I have not seen DOJ’s filings on Corcoran, but I would be interested to know how they argued this. First of all, what was the crime they used as a predicate? Was it unlawful retention of the documents? If so, there is nothing in the indictment that I can see indicating Corcoran’s communications with Trump would have furthered that in a way that would justify breaching privilege.
Was it obstruction? I think this is the most likely option: They pierced attorney-client privilege using obstruction as the predicate crime for the crime-fraud exception, saying that Trump’s conversations with Corcoran amounted to him attempting to enlist Corcoran in a criminal obstruction scheme.
Now, we will see how this theory goes for the government. I have my doubts.
But if that is the case, just reading this indictment, it seems as though the obstruction charges may have been structured specifically in part just to get Corcoran’s testimony in, to help buttress what would otherwise be a much weaker case against Trump on the substantive charges.
In any case, the special counsel is going to have to show why the communications in question were a solicitation by Trump to Corcoran to join him in criminal acts, as opposed to Trump asking a lawyer he hired to advise him on his legal defense, to tell him what his options were, or to outline what defensive steps might be possible, and what was done by others in previous cases like Hillary Clinton’s emails.
Reading the conversations in the indictment, they sound a lot more like honest attorney-client communications than they do crime fraud to me, even with all ellipses and modifications made by the special counsel’s team.
I expect a motion by Trump’s legal team on this issue, and if they win that will cut the guts out of much of this case. It will be very tough to prove intent and willfulness the way the government needs to without Corcoran, at least based on what we see in the indictment.

5. Timing: Why Now?

This is not a legal defect in the indictment, but it is an important point nonetheless. Why are they bringing this case now?
They know Trump is the leading candidate for president. They know he is beating Biden in the polls. They must know how bad it looks for a sitting president’s DOJ to indict that president’s primary political opponent.
DOJ has long had policies in place to prevent new indictments from being brought, or overt investigative acts being committed, in the months preceding an election in order to avoid the appearance of political timing. The same reasoning clearly applies here.
The special counsel’s team did not have a statute of limitations issue, they could have easily just announced the facts as they saw them after the search warrant was executed and all the documents were recovered, and then held off on further investigative acts and the indictment until after November 2024.
The fact that they did not follow that course is strong evidence to me that a big part of this is the burning desire among many on the left to “get Trump.” They don’t care about the law. They don’t care about the facts. They don’t care about norms or propriety or anything else. They just want Trump in cuffs.
The fact that our law enforcement and intelligence apparatuses are being weaponized in this way against a leading presidential contender is truly a black mark on them and on our republic.
If I were Trump’s lawyers, I would consider moving to continue further proceedings until after November 2024. Let the case sit. The country doesn’t need to litigate this right now. We need to pick our next president. If DOJ won’t agree to that continuance, let them explain why this has to happen right now. There is no good reason that I can see.

6. Jack Smith: Why Him?

If you could pick any lawyer in the country to handle a controversial case against a former president, a case involving an aggressive, unprecedented use of the Espionage Act, a controversial law in and of itself, what lawyer would you pick?
You’d probably want just a consummate professional, right? Career prosecutor with no political profile at all? White knight in shining armor who’s never lost a case?
Or you could pick Jack Smith.
The single case Jack Smith is most publicly associated with was the prosecution of Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell.
In that case, using a very aggressive interpretation of the scope of federal bribery and honest services fraud statutes, Smith nuked the career and life of a popular Republican politician, before having all his convictions overturned by the Supreme Court in a unanimous opinion.
A unanimous Supreme Court smacked Smith down for an overzealous, legally defective prosecution of a Republican politician, and the opinion was so devastating that DOJ did not even attempt to retry the case. It was just dropped.
As has been noted publicly as well, Smith’s wife is a leftist filmmaker who produced a hagiography of Michelle Obama, and he currently lives in the Netherlands. Was there not anyone else up to the task on this side of the Atlantic?
If this is not a political prosecution, if Merrick Garland wasn’t just trying to “get Trump,” then why was Jack Smith the pick? Like the timing, the decision reeks of politics.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/16/six-reasons-dojs-legal-case-against-trump-is-seriously-flawed/

u crank

06-16-23, 12:37 PM

.. I predicted the possibility of the formation of a police-state-like radical and religious right-wing dictatorship in the USA. And I don't take back a word of that, because Trumpism is also further strengthened by an inherently violent player, namely religious fundamentalism.

There is far more likely a chance that a left wing authoritarian police state will come about before that. The current use by Biden against his political rivals of the DOJ and the FBI is an indication of that. Religious fundamentalism is waning. Left wing Marxism/socialism and their progressive/left allies are far greater a threat and is growing especially among young Americans.

Buddahaid

06-16-23, 12:45 PM

There is far more likely a chance that a left wing authoritarian police state will come about before that. The current use by Biden against his political rivals of the DOJ and the FBI is an indication of that. Religious fundamentalism is waning. Left wing Marxism/socialism and their progressive/left allies are far greater a threat and is growing especially among young Americans.

You do realize that the left in the US are still capitalists?

Anyway, the news that Trump lawyers had been trying for months to persuade Trump to return the documents will end up convicting him on the willful retention charges.

Rockstar

06-16-23, 12:59 PM

Markus, if the Americans would put up with being presided over by a convicted felon who is in prison - then they would deserve exactly that and nothing better. America would become the laughing stock of the world, many states would probably not sign any binding treaties with such an America because of their own legal situation, since on the other side a convicted felon would sign whose legal legitimacy to conclude treaties might be given according to American understanding, but perhaps not according to the legal canon of many other countries. From their point of view, there is simply no legitimate treaty signatory for the American side, and the demand of the Republicans that Trump's legitimacy in prison be recognized is just an ideological demand, but not a binding law to which other states would have to submit.

In other words, if it comes to that, I recommend that you set up a popcorn subscription in good time, because it will quickly become scarce. And for the American-international relations it would be a single devastation.

I expect the current impeachment to help Trump in the intra-party nomination process, but if nominated then to drag him down in the campaign against Biden. Whether the non-orange Republicans could prevail against the Trumpists if Trump is found guilty before the nomination is finalized, I dare not predict. But I have my doubts. American internal polarization has reached the point where the country resembles a madhouse in these matters, where any absurdity, however abstruse and self-defeating, seems possible. In the long run, a total fanatization of two camps of left and right is conceivable - and from there on it becomes really dangerous at some point. At the time of the last Gulf War, I predicted the possibility of the formation of a police-state-like radical and religious right-wing dictatorship in the USA. And I don't take back a word of that, because Trumpism is also further strengthened by an inherently violent player, namely religious fundamentalism.

In the overall view, this mixture of factors is extremely dangerous. A dictatorship always becomes possible when people consider its emergence impossible.

What’s your meaning of Trumpism? So far everything that has been published about the guy has been a load of unfounded and best trivial B.S. from supposed insider anonymous sources. In my opinion Trumpism isn’t about red hats with campaign slogans embroidered on them nor is it even about the voters who wear those hats.

Trumpism is the endless bombardment by every media outlet imaginable injecting Trump drama into daily life of the public. They created the monster, when the headlines stop so too will the boogyman called Trumpism stop. Everyone hates Trump but ask your self why? I bet the only answer you can honestly come up with is simply because the other guy does, that’s it. It’s just become fashionable and a social contagion. If people would stop for a moment and think what he’s done that’s any different from other politicians? Other than taking on the intelligence community, absolutely nothing.

Catfish

06-16-23, 01:32 PM

mapuc

06-16-23, 01:46 PM

u crank

06-16-23, 01:53 PM

You do realize that the left in the US are still capitalists?

Yep. The rich ones are.

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/young-americans-increasingly-prefer-socialism-heres-how-change-their-minds

Among Americans aged 18-24, the poll reports that only 42 percent of those surveyed regardless of political affiliation have a positive view of capitalism, while 54 percent have a negative view. Only two years ago, the same polling survey had 58 percent of the same demographic favoring capitalism, while 38 percent had a negative view.

Seems like a pretty big shift.

August

06-16-23, 02:06 PM

Trumpism?

"Grab 'em by the pussy"
A lot of people seem to admire him explicitly for this :03:
"Trump! Definitely my president!"

In 2023 you either think the guy is a scumbag, or you worship the ground he walks on, there really isn't any middle ground. Proving what we already knew (that he sexually assaults women) isn't going to move the needle for anyone at this point.

I think he was or is a great dishonour to the US.

If you feel that a partial quote taken out of context years ago is contemporary proof that Trump commits multiple sexual assaults on women then you have some pretty big blinders on there Catfish.

As for middle ground you're wrong about that too. There are many Americans, myself included, who dislike the man personally but also see him as the lesser of two evils and/or a giant middle finger to the political elite of this country who so desperately need it.

Rockstar

06-16-23, 02:35 PM

You do realize that the left in the US are still capitalists?

Well no, we are I think much closer to Marxist Socialism than you think.

mapuc

06-16-23, 02:40 PM

When does the trial begin ?

I heard something with spring 2024, is that correct ?

Why this late start of the trial ?

Is it normal that it takes month from first hearing to a the start of a trial ?

Markus

Buddahaid

06-16-23, 03:38 PM

Well no, we are I think much closer to Marxist Socialism than you think.

The US already has social institutions which I'll put under the category of promoting the general welfare. I'm sure we will never see eye to eye on this, but I don't see the US going the communist route ever, but I am seeing a significant portion moving in a Fascist direction which is every bit as bad, if not worse. Unlike many here, I don't view socialism as an outright evil, but as a needed aspect of any government to serve it's population to mutual benefit. Of course, there is a sensible middle ground, but the word shouldn't carry the stigmatism it gets as if it's the same as communism.

Catfish

06-16-23, 03:55 PM

If you feel that a partial quote taken out of context years ago is contemporary proof that Trump commits multiple sexual assaults on women then you have some pretty big blinders on there Catfish.

As for middle ground you're wrong about that too. There are many Americans, myself included, who dislike the man personally but also see him as the lesser of two evils and/or a giant middle finger to the political elite of this country who so desperately need it.
Out of context? Trump said it several times, maybe not in the last months (I wonder why. Not.), and he lost one of the accusations, good for Jean. I wonder how much more will come after this.
This is of course not the major issue after those secret documents found with a copier, but this is the court's task to find out.

What I do not like is the absolute arrogance paired with dumbness and being absolutely unsympathetic. I think types like him should not be allowed to run for president, he was talking gibberish all of the time, a blithering idiot, and he should be in jail alone because of this Capitol stunt.

Of course you have a point. The reasons that Trump got elected in the first place are even stronger now. The average person is disaffected and feels as though the government isn't listening. When that happens people resort to "F'k you" votes, and Trump is a "F'k you" vote if there ever was one.
Biden has turned out to be less than "ok" for Trump followers, and has done very little to help the average American. He still is a better statesman and president than T. was or could ever be.

Rockstar

06-16-23, 05:05 PM

The US already has social institutions which I'll put under the category of promoting the general welfare. I'm sure we will never see eye to eye on this, but I don't see the US going the communist route ever, but I am seeing a significant portion moving in a Fascist direction which is every bit as bad, if not worse. Unlike many here, I don't view socialism as an outright evil, but as a needed aspect of any government to serve it's population to mutual benefit. Of course, there is a sensible middle ground, but the word shouldn't carry the stigmatism it gets as if it's the same as communism.

I'm not talking about a welfare program to help others in need. Hell I do that, I'll slip a homeless fella a Jackson or contribute to charity. I'm talking about Socialism there is a HUGE glaring difference between the two. I suggest you read Das Kapital

Capitalism is about the private sector the individual, private freedoms the non hierarchy part of society that controls the means of production and pricing. It is distinctly anti-corporation. In fact, Marxists, Communists, Socialists, Facists, and Authoritarians are the birds of a feather who are pro corporation, pro public, and pro state control of the means of production.

Socialists want government control of the economy. They want central banks just as Marx called for in the communist manifesto.

They want to rid themselves of private trade unions and workers councils, and like Hitler and Lennin did nationalize them into the body of the state

Let me explain if you have large trade unions which dominate societies, something that Marxist syndicalists believe in. You could say that they would embody the nation if they embody the nation, they embody the corpse, a.k.a the corporation, that's where the term comes from. Then they would be giant public entities. The central state finds it easier to control a handful of public corporations than it does thousands of small private businesses or trade unions.

Socialists who want to control society, only want a handful of public corporations rather than thousands of small private companies. This is the central idea behind Marxist socialism and anarchy cynicalism, or corporatism or fascism or national socialism. Think back for a moment when during the so called COVID panic and calls by Democrats to close businesses around the nation. This caused the private sector mom and pop stores to suffer greatly and collapse. Leaving behind the public corporations who can easily be controlled by bailouts and tons of regulations.

They all want the public sector to have total control, total state control, totalitarian control, the modern roots of the fascist corporate state were revolutionary syndicalism.

Socialists want the end of capitalism. They want the end of the private sector. They want everybody to be part of this hierarchy, the body of the nation, the corporation, the corporate state, socialism, with most of you as slaves at the bottom and them in total control at the top, there can be no individual who is outside of the state. Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

Marx called for the following: (I know for a fact you called for some of the same things too.)

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes to a heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

2. Abolition of all rights of inheritance and for confiscation of the property of all immigrants and rebels.

3. In case you haven't noticed small banks are being forced out of business. Marx called for the centralization of credits in the hands of the state by means of a national bank with, State capital and an exclusive monopoly. Yes, that includes State monopoly and Central Banking on a NATIONAL level.

4. In case you haven't put 2 and 2 together yet. Marx also calls for the centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

5. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state. They're bringing into cultivation of wastelands and the improvements of soil generally in accomplice with a common plan. (The four or Five year plan) Corporations are buying farmland hand over fist. In the name of saving the planet I bet :haha:

6. Equal liability of all to work, establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. (More Slavery & War)

7. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country and

8. Free education for all children in public schools.

Buddahaid

06-16-23, 05:23 PM

Rockstar

06-16-23, 05:41 PM

I am calling for none of that. I'm pointing out there is socialism in government that you partake of everyday which is responsible governance, but you just knee jerk to the extreme end of that spectrum.

Again what you are referring to are social programs that are agreed upon by individuals to benefit those in need. It is not Socialism in the political Marxist sense.

Oh, and I’m pretty sure you once said you’re for loan bailouts and I believe you even once stated that you think education should be free. How very Marxist of you.

Let me add too. That when Trump suggested abolishing the Central Bank there was a great deal of wailing and gnashing of teeth from Democrats, I believe you were among them too.

August

06-16-23, 05:57 PM

I am calling for none of that. I'm pointing out there is socialism in government that you partake of everyday which is responsible governance, but you just knee jerk to the extreme end of that spectrum.

It's not a knee jerk to the extreme end, it is the direction that we are heading.

Look at how much the federal government has expanded in the last 100 years. How much more the government controls the lives of it's citizens. Do you think that trend will ever stop? I don't see how short of tearing it down and starting over.

Socialism is just a slippery and irreversible slope to totalitarianism. It is the nature of bureaucracies. The longer they exist the more power they draw to themselves until words like Freedom and Liberty become hollow catch phrases.

MaDef

06-16-23, 06:05 PM

August

06-16-23, 06:06 PM

Do Any Republicans Really Think DeSantis Won’t Get Impeached Or Framed By The FBI?

By Joy Pullmann

Anyone who has been watching for seven years — and counting — has seen the nation’s top Republican politician framed, impeached, raided, prosecuted, and now indicted by corrupt spy agencies on behalf of the Democrat Party. Their goal is to send their top political opponent to prison on charges they said were fascist to bring against their own presidential candidates.

After these last seven years, how can anyone not expect that any Republican who questions the unelected, Congress-defying security state won’t get the Trump treatment? If they can and will do it to Trump, they can and will do it to Ron DeSantis, Vivek Ramaswamy, Robert Kennedy Jr., and anyone else who threatens their power.

Remember, even ineffective, regime-pleasing nice guys Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan were cast as a dog torturer and grandma murderer. But standard media smear operations pale in comparison to media functioning as a security state propaganda tool to frame dissidents for treason.
Any Republicans who think the security state wouldn’t frame others the same way it has Trump are in denial about the evidence repeatedly stampeded across their eyeballs for seven years. This means if D.C. Republicans want any president but Trump, their only ticket to that outcome is fighting back good and hard against his relentless persecution.

If the law is not equally applied to all, it turns into a weapon for injustice. If the powerful can break constitutional norms about legal equality for one man, they can — and will — break constitutional norms about legal equality for anyone else they want.

The Trump Treatment Is Already Spreading

We’re already seeing this lawless weaponization of government bleed past Trump. The security state has also targeted Republican senators who have gotten a little too close to its corruption, Sens. Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson, and lower-profile Republicans like former Rep. Jeff Fortenberry. DeSantis has also started to get the Trump treatment with a Texas sheriff’s attempt to bring criminal charges over DeSantis’ lawful removal of illegal border-crossers.

Don’t forget, either, the FBI and DOJ entrapment of Mike Flynn, raid on pro-life dad Mark Houck, jailing of a pro-Trump meme creator, lawless allowance of violent mobs to pressure Supreme Court justices, pressuring of social media giants to help rig elections, unhinged pursuit of people accused of misdemeanors on Jan. 6, targeting of parents as “domestic terrorists” for protesting at school board meetings, and apparent spying on churches as hotbeds of anti-regime messaging.

Atop all these, how can anyone forget the lessons of Spygate, the bulk of the security-state iceberg we’re currently able to see? Spygate is an extremely dense saga, partly because of how many powerful institutions worked together to frame Trump as a Russian traitor to conceal evidence of Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden’s own traitorous activities.

It took seven years to even get an accounting from a special counsel who brought zero accountability. In the meantime, a few dogged reporters — led by The Federalist — steadfastly blew away Democrats’ deep haze of lies. For a quick Spygate summary, here’s John Yoo and Robert Delahunty: In 2016, the Hillary Clinton campaign fabricated false reports of ‘collusion’ between Trump and Russia and spread them to a sympathetic law enforcement and national security bureaucracy.
The ‘Russia hoax’ sparked a special counsel investigation that paralyzed the Trump White House for two years. The recent Durham Report fingered political bias by high FBI officials as the culprit.
Here’s a good place for more background on this credibility-killing operation from the federal agencies still cooperating to jail the nation’s top Republican. Spygate was intelligence agency election interference that boosted Democrats for two presidential election cycles, and now possibly a third.
This is what Democrats and U.S. security agencies are willing to do to get their way.

A Long Train of Abuses and Usurpations

Many more such operations occurred in the Trump era, probably many of them unknown. While the DOJ and FBI are obviously among the worst actors, they’re in plentiful company. Recall also the “Resistance” that involved insubordinate federal employees across all agencies working to thwart the policies of their constitutionally designated, democratically elected boss.
Here’s another: Several brazen, court martial-worthy acts by one of America’s top generals, Mark Milley. During Trump’s presidency, he secretly told Chinese officials he’d warn them if Trump ordered a strike on America’s chief foreign adversary.
According to Grassley and Rep. Jim Banks, R-Ind., Milley also “reportedly ordered senior officers to check with him before executing orders from then-President Trump.” The woke general who pushed Marxism on American troops also worked to prevent the president from repulsing nationwide rioting by Marxist agitators and pulling U.S. troops from Afghanistan. The inspector general has inexplicably declined to even investigate Milley despite such widely reported treasonous interference with the policies of the constitutionally appointed commander in chief.
Any future Republican president — and increasingly governors and senators — can look forward to similar behavior from an American bureaucracy that has come entirely unmoored from constitutional restrictions on their actions.

Indictment Is the Same Play as Spygate

After its successful 2016 election interference operation, the institutionally corrupt FBI interfered in the 2020 election by leaking about Hunter Biden’s laptop to boost Democrats’ false claim it was “Russian disinformation.” Since then, it is becoming more apparent the FBI wasn’t so much investigating the laptop as burying it, as it appears to be doing with other evidence of Biden corruption that endangers U.S. national security.
In their indictment this week, the DOJ’s special counsel boasted of “audio recordings of Trump appearing to confirm he’d retained a document he failed to declassify as president.” The same agency hid from elected lawmakers evidence about audio recordings of Joe and Hunter Biden allegedly taking $10 million in bribes from Ukranians.

Prosecutors also claimed Trump’s documents include major national security information, like nuclear secrets. How convenient that these documents are allegedly classified information that nobody can see. Regardless, “the president and the president alone decides what is a presidential record and what isn’t. He may take with him whatever records he chooses at the end of his term.”
Beyond that, Trump has been falsely accused of being dangerous with nuclear information so many times, anyone accepting this wild claim without good, hard, complete evidence is either a propagandist or an idiot. Remember how the security state’s narrative, formed by selective leaks about Trump’s call with Ukraine, was disproven by Trump releasing the transcript of the call? Of course, that didn’t stop Democrats from impeaching Trump while hiding key evidence and structuring the impeachment to make Democrat leaks the only way for information to get out.
As Grassley recently pointed out, deceptive leaks are now DOJ and FBI standard operating procedure. They constantly leak information out of context to form false narratives that benefit Democrats. That’s called disinformation and misinformation. It’s election interference, it’s authoritarian, it’s illegal, and it’s accelerating.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/15/do-any-republicans-really-think-desantis-wont-get-impeached-or-framed-by-the-fbi/

Rockstar

06-16-23, 06:30 PM

It's not a knee jerk to the extreme end, it is the direction that we are heading.

Look at how much the federal government has expanded in the last 100 years. How much more the government controls the lives of it's citizens. Do you think that trend will ever stop? I don't see how short of tearing it down and starting over.

Socialism is just a slippery and irreversible slope to totalitarianism. It is the nature of bureaucracies. The longer they exist the more power they draw to themselves until words like Freedom and Liberty become hollow catch phrases.

Ya speaking of tearing it down. The 'withering away of the state' is a Marxist concept coined by Friedrich Engels referring to the idea that, with the realization of socialism, the state will eventually become obsolete and cease to exist as society will be able to govern itself without the state and its coercive enforcement of the law.

This means only one of two things a. he was lying his ass off as all totalitarians do, or b. when socialism a.k.a. the corporate state and coercive laws withers away you are left with what you began with the private individual in charge of the means of production, and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and a.k.a. Capitalism. :yep:

But it is concerning the direction I think we seem to be heading. Especially when our current leader has done what was once unthinkable and overstepped without any repercussions after accusing an entire of group of good people right wing extremists and publicly stated he is making it a point to jail a political opponent so he can’t run for office. That should be concerning to everyone Democrat and Republican alike. Not to mention all the Burisma Biden Bribery whistleblowers are now dead too.

Buddahaid

06-16-23, 07:43 PM

August

06-16-23, 08:51 PM

Otto Harkaman

06-16-23, 08:55 PM

Rockstar

06-16-23, 09:42 PM

And you think the direction MAGA is heading is anything less than totalitarian? Those people are not small government conservatives! They do not take the position of not liking how someone wants to live but recognizing it's none of their business. They are actively trying to legislate how others may live so they comply to religious beliefs. That is contrary to the 1st Amendment.

Ummm ya about that I don’t think it was your boogyman who is legislating. It’s you.

Democrats Equality Act

https://i.postimg.cc/jS3rwrZ1/IMG-1607.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/prP2QJ8c/IMG-1662.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/FRyrJBfJ/IMG-1664.jpg

And of course let’s not forget California’s recent bill allowing parents to be charged with child abuse by the ‘State’ if they don’t affirm their child’s gender. Socialism at its finest the State is now the parent. There can be no individual who is outside of the state. Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state, ain’t that right tovarisch?

https://i.postimg.cc/ZqfgsP1D/IMG-1588.jpg

Buddahaid

06-17-23, 12:34 AM

All I see is moronic sloganeering designed to create fear.

mapuc

06-17-23, 04:25 AM

:timeout:

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1669831949991706625

Markus

Jimbuna

06-17-23, 04:36 AM

Dementia will be knocking on many of our doors in our latter years :nope:

mapuc

06-17-23, 05:23 AM

Dementia will be knocking on many of our doors in our latter years :nope:

Jim I'm not mocking people who suffer from Dementia far from it.

If he suffer from Dementia would he fit for the job as the world most powerful man in the world ?

Markus

Jimbuna

06-17-23, 05:34 AM

Jim I'm not mocking people who suffer from Dementia far from it.

If he suffer from Dementia would he fit for the job as the world most powerful man in the world ?

Markus

I never said you did Markus but seeing the clip you posted brought back an unfortunate reminder of one or two people I hold or held most dearly who are or have been stricken by this cursed condition.

Nothing more than that.

em2nought

06-17-23, 06:02 AM

Dementia will be knocking on many of our doors in our latter years :nope:

There's some evidence that the Shingles Vaccine may fend off dementia in women, so that might be a plus(if they're conservative voters). LOL

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01824-1#:~:text=Vaccination%20against%20shingles%20might %20also,risk%20of%20dementia%20by%2020%25.

Rockstar

06-17-23, 07:51 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/6pLf3MQ8/IMG-1539.jpg

MaDef

06-17-23, 08:19 AM

All I see is moronic sloganeering designed to create fear.
In other words you have no cogent "facts" to explain how exposing children to the "alternate lifestyle" and mutilating their bodies is more beneficial then detrimental.

What adult's do to their bodies is their business, but you need to leave children out of it. Does the name Helmut Kentler ring any bells? and While there isn't a direct correlation, that's where this ends up if people continue down this path.(sexual abuse of children becomes the norm)

Onkel Neal

06-17-23, 08:20 AM

Markus, you put that correctly. "Innocent until proven guilty or not guilty" is just fine. Don't let some German idiot whose English is worse than yours get away with mocking you.

Whoa whoa whoa! That's uncalled for, mate.:oops:

Otto Harkaman

06-17-23, 08:27 AM

Ray Epps Jan 6
https://youtu.be/dkFfATBy0cw
https://d1i4t8bqe7zgj6.cloudfront.net/01-18-2022/t_30d1d34912c54dce9456d5187606b3e7_name_20220118_E pps_Whisper_ear_still.jpg

Onkel Neal

06-17-23, 08:32 AM

You do realize that the left in the US are still capitalists?

Anyway, the news that Trump lawyers had been trying for months to persuade Trump to return the documents will end up convicting him on the willful retention charges.

I think so too. I think Trump put himself in this position. I mean, he always lived dangerously, flouting convention. This time it caught up with him.

Of course you have a point. The reasons that Trump got elected in the first place are even stronger now. The average person is disaffected and feels as though the government isn't listening. When that happens people resort to "F'k you" votes, and Trump is a "F'k you" vote if there ever was one.
Biden has turned out to be less than "ok" for Trump followers, and has done very little to help the average American. He still is a better statesman and president than T. was or could ever be.

From one on one conversations about Trump with his supporters, over the last 6 years, it keeps coming back to 1. he stands his ground against the idiocy of the left, and 2. he has the best political policies for the good of the country. That's what I hear, and no one tries to defend his character.

As far as Biden being a statesman, jeesh, a broom propped up in the corner would give him a run for his money.

u crank

06-17-23, 09:30 AM

Everything We Know About The Biden Bribery Scheme From The FBI Document

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/16/everything-we-know-about-the-biden-bribery-scheme-from-the-fbi-document/

“The confidential human source who provided information about then Vice President Biden being involved in a criminal bribery scheme is a trusted, highly credible informant who has been used by the FBI for over 10 years and has been paid over six figures,” Chairman Comer told reporters last week.

The CHS summarized earlier meetings with Zlochevsky in the FD-1023, claiming the Bidens “coerced” the foreign businessman to pay the multimillion-dollar bribes. Zlochevsky had been trying to shut down government investigations into his Ukrainian energy firm. The energy tycoon allegedly paid $5 million to then-Vice President Joe Biden, referred to as the “Big Guy” by Zlochevsky in the FD-1023, and $5 million to Hunter.

“According to the 1023, the foreign national possesses 15 audio recordings of phone calls between him and Hunter Biden,” Grassley said. Another two recordings are reportedly calls between Zlochevsky and then-Vice President Biden, for 17 recordings in “total.”

One has to wonder why FBI Director Christopher Wray tried to keep this document from House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. James Comer. Or not.

mapuc

06-17-23, 10:22 AM

^ Are you telling me an outsider that Biden could do the things mentioned in your comment freely while the former President was impeached for the slightest thing ?

If true then it's another scandal...well Biden belongs to the good guys so he's forgiven I guess

Markus

Onkel Neal

06-17-23, 10:52 AM

Everything We Know About The Biden Bribery Scheme From The FBI Document

One has to wonder why FBI Director Christopher Wray tried to keep this document from House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. James Comer. Or not.

Yeah, really, and crazy that this in not covered in MSM, at all. I was skeptical about "Deep State" stuff until this and the suppression of news before the election. Wow.

u crank

06-17-23, 11:26 AM

^ Are you telling me an outsider that Biden could do the things mentioned in your comment freely while the former President was impeached for the slightest thing ?

Markus I now think anything is possible in American politics. We will have to wait and see what happens.

Rockstar

06-17-23, 04:21 PM

Oh no Democrats aren’t Marxist. Yet someone named Saule Omarova a known Marxist was nominated by Biden, a Democrat, for bank regulator who thinks nationalizing the Banks is the direction to take. Funny thing, by the Democrats own definition of anti-capitalist a.k.a. a Marxist is considered a domestic terrorist. See page FOUR ‘Anti-Governmemt/Anti-Authority Violent Extremists’.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/21_0301_odni_unclass-summary-of-dve-assessment-17_march-final_508.pdf. Does that mean Biden should be investigated or arrested for nominating an anti-capitalist, or am I just fomenting hate? :har:

https://youtu.be/KV6X9r6Y3fk

mapuc

06-18-23, 06:27 AM

Bidenomics

You better get used to this word-A word invented by your President and who's going to be used in his Presidential campaign.

You will hear and read a lot about this word Bidenomics

Markus

Rockstar

06-18-23, 12:18 PM

Biden immediately went to Philly after one section of a highway collapsed but couldn't be bothered to visit East Palestine, Ohio after a train derailment destroyed the town.

It took his administration nearly a month to begrudgingly send Pete Buttigieg there.

He quickly heads to liberal blue city for a highway repair but does nothing for a small midwestern town.

He is truly a man of the people party.

Skybird

06-18-23, 03:00 PM

The press likely assumes another Trump presidency will be great for business. But the media may find themselves heading down the path to terminal, soul-crushing boredom, dragging any remaining viewers and readers with them.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/06/the-press-is-making-a-huge-mistake/

Rockstar

06-19-23, 06:34 PM

https://youtu.be/7TSYKAnWno4

Otto Harkaman

06-20-23, 03:34 PM

Hunter Biden to plead guilty to federal tax crimes, take deal on gun charge

Summary of articles by ChatGPT

Left oriented

Hunter Biden will plead guilty to two tax misdemeanors and a felony gun charge, marking the end of a five-year investigation into his business dealings.
The plea deal will not affect ongoing congressional Republican probes into Hunter Biden's finances, including foreign payments and other business dealings.
Some Republican 2024 presidential candidates are criticizing the plea deal and accusing the justice system of a double standard of justice, while Democrats have largely remained silent on the matter.

Center oriented

Hunter Biden, son of US President Joe Biden, has agreed to plead guilty to three federal charges including illegal possession of a firearm while a drug user and two tax charges.
The deal was made with the Justice Department and detailed in a court document on Tuesday.
More details on this breaking news story will be published shortly, and readers can receive breaking news updates via the BBC News App or @BBCBreaking on Twitter.

Right oriented

Hunter Biden, son of President Joe Biden, will plead guilty to two counts of willful failure to pay federal income tax and will enter a pretrial diversion agreement on a third federal charge for possession of a gun while being an addict of illegal drugs.
United States Attorney for Delaware David Weiss will recommend Biden be sentenced to probation for the tax-related charges, and his sentence for the charges will ultimately be determined by a judge.
Biden is not expected to serve any jail time.

https://ground.news/article/efcedffc-6560-4f9a-baa1-7300581397d2

Buddahaid

06-20-23, 08:02 PM

Jimbuna

06-21-23, 05:19 AM

Hunter Biden to plead guilty to federal tax crimes, take deal on gun charge

Probably the most sensible course of action.

MaDef

06-21-23, 09:11 AM

Pretty cheap shots not worthy of you.

You do recall the adage,... "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander". :salute:

mapuc

06-21-23, 09:15 AM

So it's not March 2024 but this August 11th 2023.

Markus

Rockstar

06-21-23, 09:27 AM

So it's not March 2024 but this August 11th 2023.

Markus

Close, today is 21 June 2023. ;)

em2nought

06-21-23, 09:35 AM

Close, today is 21 June 2023. ;)

I hope some mostly peaceful "green" human doesn't decide to make the world end today just to humor Greta. :hmmm:https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/06/16/swedish-activist-greta-thunberg-deletes-tweet-predicting-the-end-of-the-world-next-week/

mapuc

06-21-23, 11:46 AM

Close, today is 21 June 2023. ;)

Haha I meant the trial against Trump who's going to start on 11th August 2023.

Markus

Otto Harkaman

06-23-23, 03:54 PM

^
https://i.imgflip.com/7qdxps.jpg

Otto Harkaman

06-23-23, 04:12 PM

https://youtu.be/6Y5A9Dw8Efc

Rockstar

06-23-23, 06:14 PM

Now it’s Biden’s turn

CNN makes shocking pivot and is actually now reporting on the whistleblower's claims that the Department of Justice conducted a cover up operation for Hunter Biden.

The state media's plan is becoming clear.

Get Joe Biden out of the White House for 2024 & replace him with Gavin Newsom.

"The question is, where was this message and was evidence like this thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the IRS?"

The Biden family could take care of all of this so easily if they would just explain why every single member of the family, except for the unacknowledged granddaughter, was receiving millions of dollars in their bank accounts from oligarchs all over the world.

https://i.postimg.cc/522Vrdqb/IMG-1758.jpg

Buddahaid

06-24-23, 03:27 PM

More unsubstantiated mystery whistleblower allegations. Report back when there is actual substance to any of this.

Rockstar

06-24-23, 03:29 PM

So you’re seeing a pattern too? :D

MaDef

06-24-23, 06:19 PM

More unsubstantiated mystery whistleblower allegations. Report back when there is actual substance to any of this.

Why? I was subjected to that crap daily for 4 years from the likes of Schiff & Co.

Rockstar

06-24-23, 06:33 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/sBp9GDlvQNh2NenokH/giphy.gif

Otto Harkaman

06-25-23, 10:53 AM

https://youtu.be/wm6CwGwqWEM

Rockstar

06-25-23, 11:39 AM

https://youtu.be/wm6CwGwqWEM

I believe the basement dweller calls that a two tier justice system. :D

Rockstar

06-25-23, 11:41 AM

1/3 of all homeless in the United States live in Gavin’s Democrat dystopian state of California.

https://youtu.be/mrMunV4y39I

Rockstar

06-25-23, 01:40 PM

The Designated Defendant: Was Hunter Biden Always the Fall Guy?

https://jonathanturley.org/2023/06/25/the-designated-defendant-was-hunter-biden-always-expected-to-be-the-fail-guy/

Below is my column in the Messenger on the curious role of Hunter Biden as the “designated defendant” of the Biden family. Throughout the years of influence peddling and millions in transfers to various Biden associates and family members, Hunter remained the frontman. He is now expected to face accountability for these dealings. He even complained to his daughter in 2019 that he was being sued. Telling her that “It’s really hard. But don’t worry, unlike Pop [Joe], I won’t make you give me half your salary.” While he will get off light, he will be expected to take 100 percent of any accountability as his father repeatedly says how “proud” he is of his son.

Here is the column:

The reported plea bargain for Hunter Biden was of little surprise to many of us. Indeed, a year ago, I described these very counts as a way to carry out a “controlled demolition” of this scandal.

Hunter Biden is, on many levels, a hapless figure of a man, devoured by destructive addictions and appetites. Yet the most tragic aspect of Hunter’s life may be his apparent role as the designated defendant of the Biden family. He allegedly became the conduit for what House Republican investigators say was potentially millions of dollars from influence-peddling, including possible payments to his uncle, the widow of his deceased brother, and even Biden grandchildren.

In the law, the “designated defendant” is often a chump who is given some impressive title, a good salary, and the authority to sign reports or filings for a corporation.

Hunter was clearly more than a simple dupe, but he never had much to offer beyond his name and access to his father.

Many have noted that Hunter Biden was an implausible business associate or board member to be working with various foreign companies. He had lived a life that was a toxic mix of nepotism and narcotics, by his own admission. According to his 2021 memoir, during the period when foreign companies were clamoring to give him millions of dollars, he was “drinking a quart of vodka a day” and “smoking crack around the clock.” He kept up that self-destructive lifestyle, he said, until his father’s 2020 presidential campaign began.

When Hunter’s world began to collapse financially, his uncle, James (who has been implicated in influence-peddling in news reports and by House investigators) rushed to assure him that he and his father were arranging a “safe harbor” for him, according to one media report. The alarm over Hunter cutting off contact was understandable as a family matter in dealing with a relative with a history of drug addiction. Yet Hunter also potentially represented something of a threat to a family that has long been accused of influence-peddling.

Hunter has relied on his family and his father’s political associates to protect him. He reportedly paid his delinquent taxes with the help of a wealthy friend; other unnamed individuals paid huge sums for his art work.

When Hunter’s gun disappeared near a school and local authorities were investigating, the Secret Service mysteriously showed up at a gun shop and asked for the paperwork tying him to the gun.

When Hunter lost a laptop reportedly filled with incriminating emails detailing criminal conduct with drugs, as well as alleged evidence of influence-peddling, national security experts rushed forward to declare it was likely to be Russian disinformation. Much of the media joined with an effective news blackout of the story. The FBI then allegedly sat on the laptop and did not appear to do a thing to investigate further.

At every juncture, the wayward son of Joe Biden seems to be snatched from the jaws of disaster.

Now, at the center of a swirling scandal of alleged influence-peddling, Hunter has emerged with a plea that brings a new meaning to the word “bargain.”

He will plead guilty to two minor misdemeanor tax counts and a phantom felony count that will go away in time.

Yet this may be the most vital role that Hunter has played for his family. He will declare himself guilty so the media and the political establishment can declare the scandal to be a closed matter: Nothing more to see here, other than a plea to a couple misdemeanors.

This is why betting against the Bidens in a corruption scandal is like betting for The Generals against the Harlem Globetrotters. The plea agreement already is being heralded by the Biden team as the final resolution of any Hunter Biden investigation.

The hope is that Hunter takes the hit for the family. He will avoid jail time, and his father can avoid a political scandal.

In his memoir, Promises to Keep, Joe Biden wrote about how he once asked Hunter, “What do you want to be when you grow up?”

Hunter responded, “I want to be important.”

Like much else about Hunter’s life, that statement now seems tragic on a Shakespearean level. Hunter allegedly was key to bringing in millions of dollars in exchange for influence with and access to his father. He is now taking a plea to tie off a scandal threatening his family. He is the designated defendant who will stand in the dock and take the hit. In that perfect Bidenesque moment, he will plead guilty to not paying taxes but avoid answering questions on how he made his money.

The plea deal also avoids the charge that the White House most feared: a violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). Despite the striking similarities with the past FARA cases, like that of Paul Manafort, there is no allegation that Hunter was an illegal foreign agent. If this is the final “resolution” as claimed by Hunter’s counsel, it also is the ideal resolution for the Biden family.

Hunter has finally achieved his childhood dream. There is a host of people, from his family to foreign officials around the world, who will bear witness to that. Hunter Biden finally is important.

Jonathan Turley, an attorney, constitutional law scholar and legal analyst, is the Shapiro Chair for Public Interest Law at The George Washington University Law School.