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Jeff-Groves
09-04-23, 04:06 PM
Now that is closer to name calling than the term small government conservative. I'm surprised anyone would consider that term offensive.
Are you kidding me?
:har:
EVERYTHING is offensive to someone now days!!
I use to call Cigarettes "Fags". Say your gonna go puff on a Fag now a days and see what happens!
"Gay" use to mean in a Happy way. Call your neighbor Gay once and see how that works out for you.
Lord help us when ET's actually land and object to the term "Alien".
Buddahaid
09-04-23, 04:07 PM
You obvious don't have a grasp of the true meaning of Wit.
It helps if you use an emoji so I can tell you are being sarcastic. :O:
Jeff-Groves
09-04-23, 04:18 PM
Well. Calling me or assuming I am MAGA is a BIG insult! I'm probably middle of this so called scale you (And others) prefer.
Left, Right, WTF? Should the Media come up with a new term that describes me (or already has one)? It's probably as bent and warped as all the others.
Rockstar
09-04-23, 06:00 PM
Oh and by the way tovarish what books are being banned?
Buddahaid
09-04-23, 06:26 PM
Sorry I was in my workshop fabricating parts for my Make-Em-Gay mind control projector. :shucks:
I now apologize again for painting one as MAGA.
Book bans at schools in Florida and Texas come to mind.
Rockstar
09-04-23, 06:28 PM
Sorry I was in my workshop fabricating parts for my Make-Em-Gay mind control projector. :shucks:
I now apologize again for painting one as MAGA.
Book bans at schools in Florida and Texas come to mind.
I”ll ask again what books?
Buddahaid
09-04-23, 06:49 PM
I”ll ask again what books?
That will take some time but I'll get back to you.
Here's a starter.
https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-florida-texas-orlando-ron-desantis-282b16bfe9771d31786b670fdecd306c
Rockstar
09-04-23, 07:31 PM
That will take some time but I'll get back to you.
Here's a starter.
https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-florida-texas-orlando-ron-desantis-282b16bfe9771d31786b670fdecd306c
Sorry Tovarich I should have been more specific especially since you don’t even live in Florida.
What books have been banned in the state you live in California? Quick glance and I already came across Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry.
Some removed in certain California schools on account of black parents concerns over what their black children were exposed to. Like in every state it is based on the concerns of parents whose children attend the schools in question. It should not be left up to the government, public body or special interest groups.
Parents have concerns and their should be the priority. Unless of course you believe you have more rights to what someone else’s children are exposed to than their own parents.
You don't understand Rockstar, liberals don't have a problem banning some books, just the ones that indoctrinate children in deviant lifestyles.
Rockstar
09-04-23, 08:10 PM
You don't understand Rockstar, liberals don't have a problem banning some books, just the ones that indoctrinate children in deviant lifestyles.
Oh apparently you didn’t get the memo. He’s not a liberal, just a page back Tovarich declared himself a conservative and it’s the so-called right wing that are the communists now. Yet here he is thinking he, special interest groups and the state knows better than the parents what their children should be exposed to in the schools their children attend.
Buddahaid
09-04-23, 09:15 PM
Sorry Tovarich I should have been more specific especially since you don’t even live in Florida.
What books have been banned in the state you live in California? Quick glance and I already came across Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry.
Some removed in certain California schools on account of black parents concerns over what their black children were exposed to. Like in every state it is based on the concerns of parents whose children attend the schools in question. It should not be left up to the government, public body or special interest groups.
Parents have concerns and their should be the priority. Unless of course you believe you have more rights to what someone else’s children are exposed to than their own parents.
Fair enough Roscoe.
Are you kidding me?
:har:
EVERYTHING is offensive to someone now days!!
I use to call Cigarettes "Fags". Say your gonna go puff on a Fag now a days and see what happens!
"Gay" use to mean in a Happy way. Call your neighbor Gay once and see how that works out for you.
Lord help us when ET's actually land and object to the term "Alien".
I'm feeling quite gay smoking my fags!! :D
Buddahaid
09-04-23, 09:35 PM
You don't understand Rockstar, liberals don't have a problem banning some books, just the ones that indoctrinate children in deviant lifestyles.
You, on the other hand have no idea what my voting record is, but don't let ignorance stop you from doing that assume thing to yourself and making the debate personal. I apologized for my offences earlier today.:up:
Jeff-Groves
09-05-23, 12:34 PM
I'm feeling quite gay smoking my fags!! :D
:hmmm:
It's queer you chose to post that. Seeing as the Band AC/DC is from Upside Down Land.
:haha:
You, on the other hand have no idea what my voting record is, but don't let ignorance stop you from doing that assume thing to yourself and making the debate personal. I apologized for my offences earlier today.:up:
Well the way I see it your words show us who you are with far more accuracy than any claims you may make. In all the years I have been reading your posts I've yet to read even one that espoused or supported a conservative viewpoint so if you aren't a liberal you certainly don't show it.
Jimbuna
09-06-23, 09:03 AM
Enrique Tarrio, a key member of the Proud Boys, has been sentenced to 22 years following his conviction for seditious conspiracy in connection with the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Jimbuna
09-06-23, 12:48 PM
A New York judge quickly dismissed a last-minute request by Donald Trump to delay his bank and tax fraud trial in New York.
The former president's attorneys asked for a three-week halt so the judge can rule on requests from both New York attorney general Letitia James and Trump for a summary judgment in the $250 million civil suit, but Justice Arthur F. Engoron scrawled a nine-word response, reported.
“Decline to sign; Defendants’ arguments are completely without merit,” Engoron wrote on the draft order, signing with his initials.
em2nought
09-06-23, 12:51 PM
Biden sues SpaceX for hiring US citizens. :har:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12442589/Biden-SpaceX-Elon-musk-hiring.html
Rockstar
09-07-23, 12:27 PM
An example of you get what you vote for. It’s like there really is consequences for your actions. :har:
There's no working together when the federal government refuses to do anything. Texas has been on their own for how many years now? If they wanted to work together they should have volunteered when they were claiming to be sanctuary cities. Maybe then they wouldn't be so shocked to find out what others have had to deal with for years now, while people in NYC, Maryland, California, Martha’s Vineyard and similar places called them racists, right wing extremists and whatever other insults to show everyone how virtuous they were...
The migrants “will destroy New York City and “everyone will be impacted”.
https://youtu.be/4kgREs60nRk?feature=shared
https://i.postimg.cc/mZYB7Dcs/IMG-2627.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/qqxrrbfR/IMG-2626.jpg
Pandering politicians are a suprise to you?:doh:
Rockstar
09-08-23, 03:05 PM
https://youtu.be/yNL67g_YDNc?feature=shared
em2nought
09-09-23, 10:53 AM
https://youtu.be/yNL67g_YDNc?feature=shared
Didn't see that one coming. :har:
https://i.imgflip.com/38hdph.jpg
Despite Biden’s claim, Europeans WEREN’T trying to oust Ukraine prosecutor targeting Hunter’s firm
The European Commission praised Ukraine’s Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin for his efforts to fight corruption in a December 2015 progress report published nine days after then-VP Joe Biden demanded his ouster.
The report flies in the face of Biden’s claims that the European Union joined his demands that Shokin be removed for being corrupt and obstructing anti-corruption reforms.
In fact, the Dec. 18, 2015, progress report, obtained by the New York Post, says that the European Union was satisfied that Ukraine had achieved “noteworthy” progress, including in “preventing and fighting corruption,” and thus was eligible for visa-free travel in Europe.
The European Commission noted that Shokin had just appointed the head of a specialized anti-corruption prosecution office, which it described as “an indispensable component of an effective and independent institutional framework for combating high-level corruption.”
https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/despite-bidens-claim-europeans-werent-trying-to-oust-ukraine-prosecutor-targeting-hunters-firm/
Buddahaid
09-10-23, 04:39 PM
Rudy Giuliani has been sanctioned for the third time in the Shay Moss and Ruby Freeman defamation case for contempt of court in failing to produce discovery documentation. The judge has ruled in favor of the plaintiffs so when this comes to trial the jury will only be deciding how much the damages will be on top of the legal expenses to be reimbursed.
Seems like Rudy's hell bent on keeping those discovery documents out of the public's eye.
em2nought
09-10-23, 08:01 PM
I think we just need a divorce. :03:
Communist revolutionaries burn American flags outside Jason Aldean concert, claiming 'America was never great'
The communist group's manifesto has praised Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution
A group of communist revolutionaries burned multiple American flags outside a Jason Aldean concert in Chicago on Saturday night, according to videos of the incident.
The protesters were raising awareness of RevCom (Revolutionary Communist Party), which believes in creating a Marxist revolution in America, calling the USA "the belly of the beast." The RevCom activists burned American flags before police "declared an unlawful assembly and said their activism ‘alarmed and disturbed others,'" according to News2Share, who captured the videos.
"The Revolutionary Communist Party… has taken on the responsibility to lead a revolution in the U.S., the belly of the imperialist beast, as its principal share of the world revolution and the ultimate aim of communism," RevCom's website said.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/communist-revolutionaries-burn-american-flags-outside-jason-aldean-concert-claiming-america-was-never-great
Rockstar
09-10-23, 08:56 PM
The 5th Circuit Court has ruled that the Biden administration, the FBI & the CDC all violated the First Amendment by colluding with Big Tech to censor Americans
Where are our so-called Republican leaders? They’re awfully quiet.
It gets worse: The court found that the Biden administration “coerced” these platforms and threatened them if they didn’t comply.
“According to that ruling, the White House, ‘coerced the platforms by way of intimidating messages and threats of adverse consequences.’”
“So in other words, the Biden administration forced social media companies to remove our posts that were critical of the Biden administration, or made the Biden White House look bad.”
Criminals.
Not only that, all California Democrats and liberals are wanton child molesters and perverts too.
This is California’s Scott Weiner. These are some of the bills he is responsible for:
AB 957 (just passed): Punishes parents who don’t “affirm” their child’s trans identity
SB 107: Removes an out-of-state child from their parents if the child travels to California to obtain gender transition procedures
SB 145: Reduced penalty for offenders who sodomize chiIdren as young as 14
SB 866: Allows kids to consent to medical decisions without parental knowledge
SB 239: Reduces the penalty for knowingly giving AIDS without informing them
SB 132: Requires prisons to put males in female prisons if they claim to feel like a woman
California Democrat pervert and child molester Scott Weiner
https://i.postimg.cc/dV8xfJdb/IMG-2679.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/wB2b6FwF/IMG-2676.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/s2sNdb4v/IMG-2678.jpg
https://youtu.be/PJsf5QY12rg
Rockstar
09-11-23, 07:55 PM
He was spot on about 9-11 and hit the nail on the head regarding Germany, Russia and NordStream
https://youtu.be/60RuXCV71ic?feature=shared
Meanwhile the Democrat Party of childless perverts and molesters are assuming control of and indoctrinating the children of normal people.
Moonlight
09-12-23, 01:31 AM
Kamala Harris leaves 9/11 service without giving speech as Biden battles plummeting approval ratings
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/kamala-harris-leaves-9-11-service-without-giving-speech-as-biden-battles-plummeting-approval-ratings/ar-AA1gyW2S?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6089a15536a445df80d7e869d9874b3c&ei=28
I'm not sure who is the worst one of the two, Biden "The Halfwit" or Harris "The Dimwit", I know one thing for sure, White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre is going to have her work cut out dealing with these two "Numbnuts".
Here's a radical idea, why don't the Democrats nominate Karine Jean-Pierre for President, she'll do a better job than the other two muppets, and she's a bit of a hottie as well, brains and breasts, that's what America needs. :haha:
There's not much going for the other lot either?, America, the freak show that keeps on giving.
And another Impeachment or ?
Speaker Kevin McCarthy said Tuesday he is directing a House committee to open an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden over his family’s business dealings, launching historic proceedings ahead of the 2024 election.
https://apnews.com/article/mccarthy-biden-impeachment-shutdown-house-republicans-b187202be8814f7acbdd6e2e937e23d4
Markus
Rockstar
09-12-23, 12:15 PM
And another Impeachment or ?
https://apnews.com/article/mccarthy-biden-impeachment-shutdown-house-republicans-b187202be8814f7acbdd6e2e937e23d4
Markus
Yep, latest scuttlebutt is McCarthy can’t get everyone on board to pass a spending bill unless he agrees to begin impeachment proceedings.
em2nought
09-12-23, 02:42 PM
Yep, latest scuttlebutt is McCarthy can’t get everyone on board to pass a spending bill unless he agrees to begin impeachment proceedings.
That spending curve is what we really need to flatten. Meanwhile the dims are insisting that Biden uses any means necessary to give more aid to illegal aliens so they can take taxpayers' jobs away. :03:https://www.nationalreview.com/news/over-100-house-democrats-demand-biden-use-all-tools-available-to-give-illegal-migrants-work-permits/#:~:text=House%20Democrats%20sent%20a%20letter,and %20contribute%20to%20the%20economy.%E2%80%9D
Rockstar
09-12-23, 04:01 PM
Look, I’m all for dropping the hammer on whoever breaks the law. But after eight long years of one left wing extremist get Trump nothing burger after another. I really, really hope if they do decide to begin an impeachment inquiry it’s not because of, or turn into, some petty tit for tat political spectacle like we’ve been subjected to for the last 8 years.
Rockstar
09-12-23, 07:52 PM
Chuck U. Schumer says it’s a witch hunt! :har::har::har::har::har::har:
Senator Chuck Schumer, who voted to convict Donald Trump in his impeachment trials, says the impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden is a "witch hunt."
Oh, it gets even better.
Schumer, who spent four whole years trying to remove Trump from office, then had the audacity to say that the current impeachment inquiry was just one big waste of time.
"I think the impeachment inquiry is absurd. The American people want us to do something that will make their lives better, not go off on these chases and, uh, witch hunts."
"The bottom line is, as we have said, you can only accomplish keeping the government open in a bipartisan way."
Laughable.
Wonder what the three stooges and the pervert Democrat child groomers think about Schumer’s statement?
Rockstar
09-12-23, 08:33 PM
The Libertarian Party has filed for conservatorships for Joe Biden and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, referencing them as "GERIATRIC ELITES" mentally unfit to properly serve the American populace.
"We're committed to filing this thing and we wanted to send a really strong statement that we're serious about getting someone in the White House who has the mental capacity to run the country because we don't have that right now. "
https://i.postimg.cc/tgSHMgJN/IMG-2728.jpg
I know what normal people think. But what do the Democrat party of NAMBLA child groomers think?
Rockstar
09-12-23, 09:20 PM
https://youtu.be/hz0mLJ-6WCI?feature=shared
Rockstar
09-12-23, 09:32 PM
Democratic Virginia House of Delegates candidate Susanna Gibson blasted her opponents for engaging in “the worst gutter politics” after videos surfaced of her and her husband performing sex acts online for cash.
Gibson, a 40-year-old mother of two, who is running in a hotly contested race to represent the state’s District 57 hosted several live webcam shows on the adult streaming website Chaturbate, the Washington Post revealed in a bombshell report on Monday.
Pervert Democrats giving their support to the Democrat Party child molesters.
https://i.postimg.cc/9MLhRtv2/IMG-2730.jpg
Skybird
09-13-23, 04:01 AM
And another Impeachment or ?
https://apnews.com/article/mccarthy-biden-impeachment-shutdown-house-republicans-b187202be8814f7acbdd6e2e937e23d4
Markus
Its about revenge, plain and simple - and everybody knows it, no matter his words.
Skybird
09-13-23, 04:08 AM
https://mises.org/wire/three-reasons-why-military-recruitment-crisis
It's easy to see why many young people don't find military service especially enticing. The US military lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the usual regime propaganda may not be working anymore. But we'll only know the full extent of the "problem" once unemployment starts to go up.
Skybird
09-13-23, 08:04 AM
It seems this legal understanding of it gets more and more support even from conservative and traditionalist judges and law experts.
The Constitution Prohibits Trump From Ever Being President Again
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/donald-trump-constitutionally-prohibited-presidency/675048/
Rockstar
09-13-23, 10:55 AM
It seems this legal understanding of it gets more and more support even from conservative and traditionalist judges and law experts.
The Constitution Prohibits Trump From Ever Being President Again
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/donald-trump-constitutionally-prohibited-presidency/675048/
This protection, embodied in the amendment’s often-overlooked Section 3, automatically excludes from future office and position of power in the United States government—and also from any equivalent office and position of power in the sovereign states and their subdivisions—any person who has taken an oath to support and defend our Constitution and thereafter rebels against that sacred charter, either through overt insurrection or by giving aid or comfort to the Constitution’s enemies.
So the above quote is the meat and potatoes of the article you linked too. Only problem I see using this as a way to prevent Trump from running is simple. Trump has never been charged with or convicted of insurrection or giving aid or comfort to the Constitution’s enemies.
Sensational media headlines and personal feelings don’t count as evidence.
Nevertheless there has been in at least two States submitted a (forgot what you call it) They are hoping that the judges in these two states will follow their demand by follow 14th Amendment section 3.
Markus
Rockstar
09-13-23, 11:56 AM
Nevertheless there has been in at least two States submitted a (forgot what you call it) They are hoping that the judges in these two states will follow their demand by follow 14th Amendment section 3.
Markus
I think there are more than two states going that route. I said before neither party wants Trump or Biden to run. So they just keep chipping away at the finances of one through endless litigation and threaten inquiry into Biden’s crackhead son to take them out of the race.
Makes one wonder. Why are the Dems protecting their President. He has shown on several occasion that he is unfit for the Oval office ?
Of course it all depend on the VP without her there's nothing they can do. She's not gonna stab her boss in the back.
Markus
Catfish
09-13-23, 02:14 PM
Trump tried to exchange all judges to those (supposed by him) supporting him, we will see how much others are left.
Nevertheless there has been in at least two States submitted a (forgot what you call it) They are hoping that the judges in these two states will follow their demand by follow 14th Amendment section 3.
Markus
That is only going to matter if it happens in states that Trump might have a chance of winning. It's not going to hurt his chances of winning if the moves come from Blue states that weren't going to give their electoral votes to him anyways.
Buddahaid
09-13-23, 09:20 PM
So the above quote is the meat and potatoes of the article you linked too. Only problem I see using this as a way to prevent Trump from running is simple. Trump has never been charged with or convicted of insurrection or giving aid or comfort to the Constitution’s enemies.
Sensational media headlines and personal feelings don’t count as evidence.
Section three doesn’t require a conviction. The wording is engaged.
em2nought
09-14-23, 12:57 AM
Section three doesn’t require a conviction. The wording is engaged.
I think I preferred having bio weapons thrown at us to overturn what was going to be a runaway election instead of all these lawyers being tossed about this election cycle. :D
u crank
09-14-23, 05:17 AM
Section three doesn’t require a conviction. The wording is engaged.
So who gets to decide that?
Rockstar
09-14-23, 09:55 AM
Section three doesn’t require a conviction. The wording is engaged.
What’s your point, that’s not even an argument Roland you have to prove he engaged in a criminal act. Since the inception of my country there is this thing called presumption of innocence.
It would be like me arbitrarily saying you're in engaged in molesting little children because you're a Democrat and not having to prove you are a child molester.
Or someone arbitrarily saying I'm engaged in drug trafficking because I travelled between the Bahamas and Miami and not having to prove I was actually smuggling contraband.
In your world it seems you prefer the Roland Freisler and Nazi people’s court method of justice, no proof needed, only rhetoric, headlines and drama to send the accused to the gallows and the simpleton mob will go along with it. But in my country you charge someone with engaging in a criminal act then comes the tuff part of proving unlawful conduct. Like I told Skybird earlier sensational media headlines, your personal emotions and feelings are not evidence.
Here is this famous 14 Amendment section 3
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
The sentence "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same"
Maybe it could be this part they are using in their subpoena against him.
Markus
Jeff-Groves
09-14-23, 12:32 PM
Funny how they want to skip parts of the 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments isn't it?
"Innocent until proven Guilty" Is NOT in the Constitution, but implied by all 3 amandements and has been upheld many times over.
You also need to read The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 11.
You can't skip 5 and 6 and cherry pick the part of the 14th you want then ignore The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 11.
Buddahaid
09-14-23, 08:36 PM
It doesn’t put anyone in jail unlike a trial verdict. It’s one of the most interesting aspects coming out of this partisan mess.
Rockstar
09-15-23, 08:08 AM
But Roland you can go to jail for it. Sorry Roland, headlines, rants, trying to convince oneself by talking about it over and over in your head, personal feelings or dreaming about it aren’t evidence. In my country you don’t get to arbitrarily convict someone of engaging in unlawful conduct without first proving it.
18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
U.S. Code
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
Maybe in your country, but not in mine.
https://i.postimg.cc/X7jBDgZC/IMG-2737.jpg
I guess this is the question the court has to figure out-Did He encourage the spectators to attack the Congress or not ?
What I wonder is-Where in his speech did he do this ?
I have never found out where
(I'm going to follow the trial with interest-To see where he has said things that encouraged his followers to attack the Congress)
Markus
Rockstar
09-15-23, 12:37 PM
I guess this is the question the court has to figure out-Did He encourage the spectators to attack the Congress or not ?
What I wonder is-Where in his speech did he do this ?
I have never found out where
(I'm going to follow the trial with interest-To see where he has said things that encouraged his followers to attack the Congress)
Markus
The question is, if he did what the media headlines, drama queens and party fanboys said he did getting all insurrectiony on us. Why hasn’t anyone formally charged him? Personally I think it’s pretty obvious and easy to figure out why. Unfortunately even after eight years of one accusation after another Blue-anon will simply refuse too. :haha:
Like I said nobody wants Trump or Biden to run. One they are attempting to financially ruin through endless litigation the other by embarrassing him sending his crackhead son to prison.
https://i.imgur.com/uBmSBmv.jpg
Buddahaid
09-15-23, 02:03 PM
But Roland you can go to jail for it. Sorry Roland, headlines, rants, trying to convince oneself by talking about it over and over in your head, personal feelings or dreaming about it aren’t evidence. In my country you don’t get to arbitrarily convict someone of engaging in unlawful conduct without first proving it.
18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
U.S. Code
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
And the 14th Amendment, Section 3 still doesn't require a conviction or send anyone to jail.
And the 14th Amendment, Section 3 still doesn't require a conviction or send anyone to jail.
So your claim is that the 14th Amendment can be invoked by just any unproven accusation then?
Rockstar
09-15-23, 02:38 PM
And the 14th Amendment, Section 3 still doesn't require a conviction or send anyone to jail.
Damn Roland what law book you reading from?
That’s why I posted 18 USC 2389 which basically makes insurrection a punishable offense. Again you have to prove it. So far it’s just been Blue-anon, trolls, fanboys and drama queens crying, nothing more than pointless troll drama.
Conviction.
1. The judgment of a jury or judge that a person is guilty of a crime as charged.
2. The state of being found or proved guilty.
It’s not rocket science Roland. If you accuse someone of unlawful conduct in my country, you have to prove it. Once it’s been proven then that person has been convicted of a crime only then will be punished in accordance with 18 USC 2389.
I don’t understand why anyone would even think to argue over this topic. It seems utterly pointless too, especially since nobody other than the fanboy mob has ever charged him with engaging in the above crime.
Buddahaid
09-15-23, 02:45 PM
Damn Roland what law book you reading from?
That’s why I posted 18 USC 2389 which basically makes insurrection a punishable offense. Again you have to prove it. So far it’s just been Blue-anon, trolls, fanboys and drama queens crying, nothing more than pointless troll drama.
Conviction.
1. The judgment of a jury or judge that a person is guilty of a crime as charged.
2. The state of being found or proved guilty.
It’s not rocket science Roland. If you accuse someone of unlawful conduct in my country. In this case, under 18 USC 2389 engaging in an insurrection you have to prove it. Once it’s been proven then that person has been convicted of a crime. Nobody has ever charged him of engaging in that crime.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/news/analysis/legal-experts-across-the-ideological-spectrum-agree-the-14th-amendment-disqualifies-trump-from-holding-office/
“ Last week, J. Michael Luttig, a retired federal judge and influential conservative voice, and celebrated legal scholar Laurence H. Tribe, professor emeritus of constitutional law at Harvard, published a piece in The Atlantic commending the report and bolstering its arguments. They wrote, “Having thought long and deeply about the text, history, and purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment’s disqualification clause for much of our professional careers, both of us concluded some years ago that, in fact, a conviction would be beside the point. The disqualification clause operates independently of any such criminal proceedings and, indeed, also independently of impeachment proceedings and of congressional legislation.”
They explained that Trump’s effort to overturn the 2020 election in part by inciting an attack on the Capitol “place him squarely within the ambit of the disqualification clause, and he is therefore ineligible to serve as president ever again. The most pressing constitutional question facing our country at this moment, then, is whether we will abide by this clear command of the Fourteenth Amendment’s disqualification clause.”
Again you have to prove it.
That's why we have CSPAN. :yep:
All they have to do is replay the coverage of the clambake and social gathering from Jan. 6th. People were dumb that day. They told the truth about what they wanted and who put them up to it. :yeah:
Rockstar
09-15-23, 03:02 PM
Well there you have it Buddahaid and ET2SN watched CSPAN and cracked the case all by themselves.
You should notify the DOJ right away and tell them all of the evidence someone on the internet and television told you.. :har:
Any day now
Buddahaid
09-15-23, 03:19 PM
Well there you have it Buddahaid and ET2SN watched CSPAN and cracked the case all by themselves.
You should notify the DOJ right away and tell them all of the evidence someone on the internet and television told you.. :har:
Any day now
Maybe you should read more opinions from constitutional scholars instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks.
"Don't want him to run for office again" Rockstar has said on several occasions
What if Trump is found not guilty in the trials that's await him ?
Or is the judge(s) and/or the jury biased in their mindset ?
Only way to get him off the election wheel is to see him going to jail or eliminated somehow.
Markus
Rockstar
09-15-23, 03:33 PM
Maybe you should read more opinions from constitutional scholars instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks.
It’s not me buddy you keep stepping it yourself every time single time.
Here’s a life’s lesson for you. Opinions are like buttholes, everybody got one.
My point is until someone actually formally charges somebody and proves guilt. All of the accusations heard in the echo chambers are just a bunch of buttholes chattering on about nothing.
Buddahaid
09-15-23, 03:37 PM
So you, in fact, don’t have a counter argument.
What if Trump is found not guilty in the trials that's await him ?
If we're lucky, he'll get a nice dacha just outside of Moscow or Pyongyang. :up:
Rockstar
09-15-23, 04:35 PM
So you, in fact, don’t have a counter argument.
Ya that’s it, ya got me. :roll:
Otto Harkaman
09-15-23, 05:06 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/7zbh08.jpg
Have an another question for you my American friends.
Let me start with some examples from Denmark.
We have Impeachment even here in our Parliament called Rigsret(=National court)
Mostly a Minister get a næse(=nose) Which is a warning.
Do you have similar in US political system, where a Minister/President have done something wrong, but not so severe that it lead to an Impeachment.. Instead this person gets a warning ?
Markus
Have an another question for you my American friends.
Let me start with some examples from Denmark.
We have Impeachment even here in our Parliament called Rigsret(=National court)
Mostly a Minister get a næse(=nose) Which is a warning.
Do you have similar in US political system, where a Minister/President have done something wrong, but not so severe that it lead to an Impeachment.. Instead this person gets a warning ?
Markus
Mostly, they can lose their committee assignments in government and/or get disbarred from practicing law.
Meaning, they become a politician in name only with no power behind it.
Meanwhile, Angry Joe says he won't pardon his son if he gets convicted.
So, to the trolls, spin that.. :up:
Mostly, they can lose their committee assignments in government and/or get disbarred from practicing law.
Meaning, they become a politician in name only with no power behind it.
Meanwhile, Angry Joe says he won't pardon his son if he gets convicted.
So, to the trolls, spin that.. :up:
Thank you
Here a Minister can continue after they have been warned-Mostly they step down after getting a nose.
Markus
Have an another question for you my American friends.
Let me start with some examples from Denmark.
We have Impeachment even here in our Parliament called Rigsret(=National court)
Mostly a Minister get a næse(=nose) Which is a warning.
Do you have similar in US political system, where a Minister/President have done something wrong, but not so severe that it lead to an Impeachment.. Instead this person gets a warning ?
Markus
In the US congress they call it "Censure".
In the US congress they call it "Censure".
Thank you Dave.
Made a search for this word and found this interesting wiki info about Censure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure
Markus
Right, they can still hold office because they were elected by actual voters.
They can still vote on bills, but they can't sell their own bills or add anything or hold any real power.
One of the keys to a Federalist system, the people who rise to high power have a LOT to lose if they screw up.
Thank you Dave.
Made a search for this word and found this interesting wiki info about Censure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure
Markus
:up:
Jeff-Groves
09-16-23, 11:27 AM
And the 14th Amendment, Section 3 still doesn't require a conviction or send anyone to jail.
Well then. By that thinking and belief? One could make the argument that the Democratic Party engaged in a Coup by cheating in the last election.
You've already said no trial or actual proof is needed.
:har:
Here's another thought. If Hunter is guilty of crimes and Daddy Joe had knowledge of that? Accessory after the fact comes into play doesn't it?
AVGWarhawk
09-16-23, 04:07 PM
Political witch hunts. Deep state. Favoritism. Nepotism. All a reality on Capitol Hill and Pennsylvania Ave. These people are the untouchables. Unless of course they want someone to be touched. Usually, an individual that will expose them. But take whatever Fox or CNN feeds you. It is all for dollars and nothing more. They do not care about the little guy. They do not care about your future. They simply care about a vote. College loan forgiveness. Are you kidding me? It is for votes. The reality of government. It is a business with 435 CEO plus two additional CEO looking working towards their yearend bonus.
BTW, 401K and retirement plans, it's all a fricken scam. We take all of the risk. The government takes zero risk. Your employer takes zero risk. The stock market is a crapshoot. Under Biden, the past 3 years the market has been a stagnate cesspool. Go for the long-haul in the market I'm told. Sadly, you and I have so many days to work and save for retirement. And to add, in 5 years SS will only be able to pay 80% of what a retiree is due from SS. Yep, smoke and mirrors. Every politician kicks the can down the road. But hey, their retirement and healthcare plan are golden.
Vote who you want. It amounts to nothing but a hill of beans.
Jeff-Groves
09-16-23, 04:17 PM
a hill of beans.
You being Optimistic again, Right?
:har:
I mean, you ACTUALLY think they'll let us have a hill of beans?
Rockstar
09-16-23, 05:25 PM
You being Optimistic again, Right?
:har:
I mean, you ACTUALLY think they'll let us have a hill of beans?
Yes, but only after years of environmental impact studies and litigation to determine how many beans you’re allowed. Then they’ll set-up a tax schedule to take most of the beans back and give them to someone else.
Jeff-Groves
09-16-23, 05:37 PM
Oh. I guess part of the studies and the information learned will prove there was never a hill of beans they could assign a quantitative amount to/or of.
Thus I may have imagened a hill much larger then My Over Lords.
:hmmm:
em2nought
09-16-23, 07:46 PM
Biden is about to give the hill of beans that we'll never see to Zelenskyy with what I'm sure is a very nice kickback for "The Big Guy". :03:
Buddahaid
09-16-23, 08:31 PM
Well then. By that thinking and belief? One could make the argument that the Democratic Party engaged in a Coup by cheating in the last election.
You've already said no trial or actual proof is needed.
:har:
Here's another thought. If Hunter is guilty of crimes and Daddy Joe had knowledge of that? Accessory after the fact comes into play doesn't it?
I'm still waiting for the 14th Amendment, Section Three counter argument. All I'm hearing is crickets.
em2nought
09-16-23, 08:50 PM
One could make the argument that the Democratic Party engaged in a Coup by cheating in the last election.
This is exactly what I believe. I'd imagine at least 40 million US taxpayers believe it too. :arrgh!:
Rockstar
09-16-23, 09:15 PM
This is exactly what I believe. I'd imagine at least 40 million US taxpayers believe it too. :arrgh!:
Problem with belief is, it’s like religion. Until someone actually comes forward and presents real evidence in a court room. There is no argument to be made. It’s just a mob of voices arguing over the comments and opinions emanating from their favorite internet or TV echo chamber.
Buddahaid
09-16-23, 09:29 PM
Problem with belief is, it’s like religion. Until someone actually comes forward and presents real evidence in a court room. There is no argument to be made. It’s just a mob of voices arguing over the comments and opinions emanating from their favorite echo chamber of internet or TV personalities.
Agreed. I'm just finding evidence follows the democratic argument to a higher degree.
Rockstar
09-16-23, 09:41 PM
Agreed. I'm just finding evidence follows the democratic argument to a higher degree.
Like I said earlier opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one. What you’re finding are someone else’s opinions which confirms your own bias. Evidence, is what courts require and so far nobody has provided jack squat to even file charges. You are currently engaged in a pointless circle jerk, you posting links to opinions you agree with and someone else posting links to opinions they agree with. It’s an utter waste of bandwidth and energy which goes no where.
Don’t despair, as I suggested earlier you don’t have to wait for the DOJ. There is absolutely nothing preventing you or your democrat sources from making a citizens arrest and presenting your evidence to the court, THE WORLD AWAITS, GO FOR IT.
In the meantime it appears our borders are being overrun, major metropolitan areas are being ransacked, unabated government spending, the FED injecting more and more currency, our nation is going deeper and deeper in debt, inflation is rising, tent cities, congress is accused of insider trading, and there is another war in Eastern Europe which threatens our global hegemony lead by feeble old men still in office.
Rockstar
09-17-23, 03:17 AM
https://youtu.be/OtBsyvpjjL8?si=XQJEHbfRro83N575
I'm still waiting for the 14th Amendment, Section Three counter argument. All I'm hearing is crickets.
Section 3 was put in the 14th to prevent former Confederate leaders from being seated in Congress, The Enforcement Act of 1870, provided the means to do that.
However that act was repealed in 1948. They did leave the law on the books (18 U.S.C. sec 2383).
So if you want to use section 3 of the 14th Amendment to prevent Trump from running for office, you need to CHARGE AND CONVICT him. And until you do that, any discussion on using it the way you want to, is moot.
The following case outlines the precedent for what you're attempting to do.
Berger V. United States
Berger was prevented from joining the House of Representatives due to a conviction for violation of the Espionage Act. As soon as the Supreme Court overturned that conviction, Berger was then elected to 3 successive terms as a congressman.
Rockstar
09-18-23, 12:59 PM
There will be no charges filed, there will be no evidence presented to gain a conviction. After eight long years of spectacle no evidence, formal charges, no defense, no judge or jury required. The people now believe the media is the judge, editorials are the evidence and the mob is the jury.
A mob now so stirred up that party officials can just arbitrarily take a name off the ballot because they have the approval of the mob of kool-aid drinkin card carrying believers. The irony is those same believers think they’re the ones saving democracy.
u crank
09-18-23, 02:45 PM
What We Must Believe To Believe Biden Is Innocent
https://spectator.org/what-we-must-believe-to-believe-biden-is-innocent/
In order to believe that Biden is innocent of taking bribes for favorable foreign policy decisions, we must ignore his own words, his son’s text messages and emails, all the “spontaneous” meetings, all the whistleblowers and witnesses, and the need for more than 20 shell companies to launder and distribute loot among family members who have no demonstrable skills. Finally, we must believe that $20 million — and probably much more — has been lavished on all of these people except the only one possessed of the power to make it rain.
People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.
Richard M. Nixon
Buddahaid
09-18-23, 03:27 PM
There will be no impeachment until there is actual evidence. McCarthy does not have the votes to get it even out of the House, let alone through the Senate.
u crank
09-18-23, 04:32 PM
There will be no impeachment until there is actual evidence. McCarthy does not have the votes to get it even out of the House, let alone through the Senate.
But that is not what matters is it? Impeachments are not legal matters but political exercises. There is no jury but two groups of politicians who at times would let off a serial child killer if it suited their political leanings. What does matter though, when it comes to politicians and corruption is the court of public opinion.
em2nought
09-18-23, 05:37 PM
I'm betting that $leepy Joe would go down as our riche$t President EVER if we knew everything. He'd even have bragging rights to this over President Trump if we knew everything. :03:
There will be no impeachment until there is actual evidence. McCarthy does not have the votes to get it even out of the House, let alone through the Senate.
Biden admits to Quid-pro-quo on video (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4849912/user-clip-bidens-quid-pro-quo)
Rockstar
09-18-23, 06:14 PM
And let’s not forget his admitting he sold state secrets. His words, not mine
It was probably when he had a garage sale :har:
https://youtu.be/yZc1gTYzEU0?feature=shared
Rockstar
09-18-23, 07:42 PM
US national debt hits $33T for first time in history
US federal debt hits 'dangerous' new milestone: $33 trillion
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-national-debt-hits-33t-first-time-history
The national debt – which measures what the U.S. owes its creditors — hit $33.04 trillion as of Monday afternoon, according to new data published by the Treasury Department. By comparison, just four decades ago, the national debt hovered around $907 billion.
"The United States has hit a new milestone that no one will be proud of: our gross national debt just surpassed $33 trillion," said Maya MacGuineas, the president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. "Debt held by the public, meanwhile, recently surpassed $26 trillion. We are becoming numb to these huge numbers, but it doesn’t make them any less dangerous."
PUBLIC DEBT. MEANS THEY SPEND IT AND YOU OWE IT. :salute:
https://i.postimg.cc/02wWPD39/IMG-2688.jpg
Biden admits to Quid-pro-quo on video (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4849912/user-clip-bidens-quid-pro-quo)
Interesting to note that, although the cited clip in on C-PAN's website, C-SPAN makes note they are not the one's responsible for the clip; in red lettering at the top right of the sight:
This clip, title, and description were not created by C-SPAN.
Now, for those for whom actual details really mater, not just a suspect video title, here is a FactCheck.org posting clarifying what is actually known about this so-called "admission" of a "quid pro quo":
Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine -
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/
Note that the article was originally posted way back in October, 2020, two whole years ago and was updated just this past August,2023; the update is also particularly interesting since it addressees the particularly Far-Right GOP bugaboo about their allegations the Ukrainian prosecutor, who was ousted allegedly due to Biden's influence, was actually a crusader against corruption who was ousted for wanting to indict Burisma and, by extension, Hunter Biden; however, the details (pesky little things they are for the Far-Right GOP) speak otherwise...
<O>
And let’s not forget his admitting he sold state secrets. His words, not mine
It was probably when he had a garage sale :har:
https://youtu.be/yZc1gTYzEU0?feature=shared
hmm...
Ah, those pesky little details again...
Fact check: Why Biden talking about selling ‘state secrets’ was a joke -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Zd9j2iOnU
Misleading Online Posts Distort Biden’s Joke at Meeting with Indian Prime Minister -
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/06/misleading-online-posts-distort-bidens-joke-at-meeting-with-indian-prime-minister/
Yes, his words, but it does make for better credibility if you use all of his words and not just cherypick, falsely edit, or distort without context...
But, then, without cheerypicking, false editing, and distortion without context, what would the Far-Right, the Trupettes, and Fox News, etc., have left to butress their false wall of moral indignation and deceit...?... :hmmm: :03:
<O>
Rockstar
09-20-23, 01:00 PM
Head for the hills it’s the attack of the fact checkers again!:har::har::har::har::har:
Here’s another one for ya nice thing about this one though it’s actually voiced by a real human.
https://youtu.be/fIQY_EhAotc?feature=shared
I do not have access to this C-Span I can therefore not say whether it was true or fake.
Markus
Buddahaid
09-20-23, 01:47 PM
Speaking of fact checking, Fox has been sued by several derivative shareholder groups for losses incurred over spreading Trump disinformation. These lawsuits will very likely succeed.
Head for the hills it’s the attack of the fact checkers again!:har::har::har::har::har:
Here’s another one for ya nice thing about this one though it’s actually voiced by a real human.
https://youtu.be/fIQY_EhAotc?feature=shared
Nice try, but no cigar; still doesn't give any verifiable credence to the MAGA/Far-Right GOP/Q-Anon/Trumpette BS floating around as being true; I guess only a court decision by a jury will have to be made to get to the bottom of it all, but, then, I'm pretty sure the MAGA/Far-Right GOP/Q-Anon/Trumpette minions have already loaded up their "FAKE NEWS!!!" ammo if case the decisions go against their interests, as they most likely will...
...and it really doesn't matter if its voiced by a human or not, since it was a human who did the compilation; I suppose you would deny a certified document unless a real human actually spoke it to you; no wonder you have such a hard time grasping details since you must have a human speak it to you;... :har:
...(this has been a recording...)...
<O>
Rockstar
09-20-23, 02:57 PM
Biden announces $30 billion program to buy votes -- er, to pay a 20,000 strong "Climate Corps" to "deploy renewable energy technologies."
Modeled on FDR, because one Great Depression wasn't enough.
WHITE HOUSE
Biden takes executive action to launch Climate Corps
White House hopes to put 20,000 people to work in the first year
https://rollcall.com/2023/09/20/biden-takes-executive-action-to-launch-climate-corps/
By David Jordan
Posted September 20, 2023 at 8:10am
President Joe Biden on Wednesday is taking executive action to establish the American Climate Corps, a workforce training and service initiative that seeks to take inspiration from the New Deal to address the impacts of climate change.
Without additional funding from Congress, the White House said the program will focus on “leveraging and enhancing existing programs” such as AmeriCorps, the federal agency for service and volunteering, to help reach the administration’s climate goals.
National Climate Advisor Ali Zaidi said the administration hopes to put 20,000 people to work in the first year on projects that include deploying renewable energy and energy efficiency technologies and making communities more resilient to the effects of climate change.
“And we’ll do all of this while creating pathways to high quality good paying clean energy and climate resilience jobs in the public sector and in the private, all of which we are focused and committed to making sure will be high road jobs — jobs with good wages, good benefits and the right to organize,” Zaidi said Tuesday in a call with reporters.
The Climate Corps will offer paid opportunities and most of the positions will require no prior experience. Biden will also encourage AmeriCorps CEO Michael D. Smith to make Climate Corps members eligible for education awards currently available to AmeriCorps members.
The Office of Personnel Management is issuing a proposed rule-making to allow participants to have a streamlined pathway into civil service jobs.
Biden endorsed the idea of a corps modeled after the New Deal’s Civilian Conservation Corps during his 2020 campaign for president. The idea, along with $30 billion to fund it, was included in the reconciliation bill known as the “Build Back Better Act” that passed the House in November 2021.
But lawmakers dropped it during the negotiations for the reconciliation bill that became the Inflation Reduction Act.
Sen. Edward J. Markey, D-Mass., and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., on Monday led a letter signed by more than 50 Democrats calling for executive action as they “continue to fight for additional resources from Congress.”
“By leveraging the historic climate funding secured during your Administration, using existing authorities, and coordinating across AmeriCorps and other relevant federal agencies, your Administration can create a federal Civilian Climate Corps that unites its members in an effort to fight climate change, build community resilience, support environmental justice, and develop career pathways to good-paying union jobs focused on climate resilience and a clean economy,” the members wrote.
Five states — Michigan, California, Colorado, Maine and Washington — have already launched climate corps programs. The White House said another five — Arizona, Utah, Minnesota, North Carolina and Maryland — are slated to launch programs, also on Wednesday.
Seems like you have a bigger refugees problem than we have.
https://twitter.com/BillMelugin_/status/1704535232970457439
Markus
Biden announces $30 billion program to buy votes -- er, to pay a 20,000 strong "Climate Corps" to "deploy renewable energy technologies."
Modeled on FDR, because one Great Depression wasn't enough.
WHITE HOUSE
Biden takes executive action to launch Climate Corps
White House hopes to put 20,000 people to work in the first year
https://rollcall.com/2023/09/20/biden-takes-executive-action-to-launch-climate-corps/
...meanwhile, while the nations has real problems, the GOP is busy fighting pronouns, dudes in dresses, dubious laptops, and their own lack of any cohesive, coherent solutions to what regular US voters really care about...
...interesting to see what comes out on top in next years election when the voters have to decide who they really think will serve them best; if the GOP wants to have any chance, they'd better dump Trump The Chump, ignore the Far-Right Wing Nuts, start actually addressing real issues...
<O>
Rockstar
09-20-23, 03:39 PM
Seems like you have a bigger refugees problem than we have.
https://twitter.com/BillMelugin_/status/1704535232970457439
Markus
Yep some say over 2 million a year have walked over our southern border coming in from other countries around the globe. Heard it’s a free for all near Eagle Pass, sanctuary cities should brace for shock it’s gonna get even more crowded. To me it’s a strong indication the global economy isn’t all rainbows and unicorns.
Europe is in the same bind. Read migrants are taking over the island of Lampedusa and Germany has told Poland to stop allowing migrants to continue on.
In Europe you all can at least blame your unelected officials. We don’t have that luxury here it’s what we voted for. Or you know it could be another one of Biden’s jokes, he’s known to be such a kidder.
Yep some say over 2 million a year have walked over our southern border. Heard it’s a free for all near Eagle Pass, sanctuary cities should brace for shock it’s gonna get even more crowded.
What about crime rates in these sanctuary cities ?
Markus
Rockstar
09-20-23, 03:52 PM
What about crime rates in these sanctuary cities ?
Markus
I’ve read that everything from little mom and pop shops to major retails have closed up in some areas because of the increase in theft.
Jeff-Groves
09-20-23, 04:00 PM
What about crime rates in these sanctuary cities ?
Markus
Screw the Sanctuary Cities. Read up on Liberty County - Illegal immigrant settlement in Texas!
Interesting to note that, although the cited clip in on C-PAN's website, C-SPAN makes note they are not the one's responsible for the clip; in red lettering at the top right of the sight:
Now, for those for whom actual details really mater, not just a suspect video title, here is a FactCheck.org posting clarifying what is actually known about this so-called "admission" of a "quid pro quo":
Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine -
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/
Note that the article was originally posted way back in October, 2020, two whole years ago and was updated just this past August,2023; the update is also particularly interesting since it addressees the particularly Far-Right GOP bugaboo about their allegations the Ukrainian prosecutor, who was ousted allegedly due to Biden's influence, was actually a crusader against corruption who was ousted for wanting to indict Burisma and, by extension, Hunter Biden; however, the details (pesky little things they are for the Far-Right GOP) speak otherwise...
<O> If you want the original clip you can see it on the Council on Foreign Relations website, the original video is 65 minutes long. it was "taped" on Jan 23 2018. The clip you question starts at 50 min into it.
Original video (https://www.cfr.org/event/foreign-affairs-issue-launch-former-vice-president-joe-biden)
Biden admitted it on tape, and it WAS NOT taken out of context.
Rockstar
09-20-23, 04:28 PM
If you want the original clip you can see it on the Council on Foreign Relations website, the original video is 65 minutes long. it was "taped" on Jan 23 2018. The clip you question starts at 50 min into it.
Original video (https://www.cfr.org/event/foreign-affairs-issue-launch-former-vice-president-joe-biden)
Biden admitted it on tape, and it WAS NOT taken out of context.
He’s only interested in ‘his’ fact-check. I know this because even after I linked to my fact-check that proves Santa is real he still doesn’t believe in Santa :D
Rockstar
09-20-23, 05:49 PM
Oh look Biden’s own words again. :yeah:
https://youtu.be/sZRJKT4kRVg?feature=shared
If you want the original clip you can see it on the Council on Foreign Relations website, the original video is 65 minutes long. it was "taped" on Jan 23 2018. The clip you question starts at 50 min into it.
Original video (https://www.cfr.org/event/foreign-affairs-issue-launch-former-vice-president-joe-biden)
Biden admitted it on tape, and it WAS NOT taken out of context.
Watched the clip; noted that there appears to have been some editing done, but none in the area you indicated (50 min in); the clip does not show Biden admitting to a personal quid pro quo, but, rather to his passing along a position given to him by the POTUS, Obama; note that Biden explicitly states he was challenged by the Ukrainian power at the time (saying Biden couldn't do a withholding), he directly told them that if the Ukrainians doubted there was any power behind Biden's demand (which was, at the time, also backed by other nations), then they should call the President and ask Obama; there was no explicit or otherwise indicated quid pro quo regarding Hunter Biden; it is what it appears to be: a high government official tasked by the POTUS to convey the concerns and policy of the US government at the time; this is no smoking gun by a very, very long shot; it isn't even a leaky water pistol...
If you want to convince someone, then please specifically show where in that entire clip is there any thing that explicitly ties Biden to any proven corruption...
The context still stands and the lack of real, verifiable proof is still painfully obvious...
He’s only interested in ‘his’ fact-check. I know this because even after I linked to my fact-check that proves Santa is real he still doesn’t believe in Santa :D
Nah, I just followed your lead and do what you usually do when someone rebuts, with proof, the swill you post as "fact": I just didn't bother to actually read the rebuttal (TLDR Syndrome) or in this case, since it was a video, maybe it should be TLDW (Too Long Didn't Watch)... :D
it is rather interesting that rather than giving any substantiative material to dispute what I posted, you chose instead to resort to sorry, weak mockery of the act of actually trying to ascertain the veracity of the data behind the MAGA/Trump/Q-Anon regurgitations...
I guess when one really doesn't have a cogent counter-argument, reversion to schoolyard derision should be expected...
Now, go away, the adults are talking... :03: :har:
<O>
Rockstar
09-21-23, 01:21 PM
Screw the Sanctuary Cities. Read up on Liberty County - Illegal immigrant settlement in Texas!
Hey theses days there’s more cheap labor coming in by the train load all of which will drive down wages even further (planned?). Why can’t Democrat voters pull their head out their collective arse and recognize that they are supporting policies that drive down their hourly income and increases their taxes.
They must want to end the American dream in a bad way and turn us into like a third world country.
Hey theses days there’s more cheap labor coming in by the train load all of which will drive down wages even further (planned?). Why can’t Democrat voters pull their head out their collective arse and recognize that they are supporting policies that drive down their hourly income and increases their taxes.
They must want to end the American dream in a bad way and turn us into like a third world country.
On a friends wall I read
It's not the refugee that makes you poor, what makes you poor is the huge companies and their hunger for profit.
(She is a genuin Dem supporter)
Markus
Jeff-Groves
09-21-23, 02:33 PM
They must want to end the American dream in a bad way and turn us into like a third world country.
I'd say they are doing a Damned Fine Job of it.
Skybird
09-21-23, 03:30 PM
That is hilarious.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/f-35-fighter-jets-only-mission-capable-55-percent-time-rcna111308
And we buy this thing. We. Buy. This. Thing. We sit on the other side of the Atlantic, btw. (The F-35 is heavily depending on getting maintained by Lockheed personnel).
That is hilarious.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/f-35-fighter-jets-only-mission-capable-55-percent-time-rcna111308
And we buy this thing. We. Buy. This. Thing. We sit on the other side of the Atlantic, btw. (The F-35 is heavily depending on getting maintained by Lockheed personnel).
And Denmark have bought 27 of these, 'cause they are so great a fighter jet.
Markus
Rockstar
09-21-23, 08:09 PM
Per CBP sources, in the last 24 hours alone, over 10,000 migrants were encountered at the border, bringing us back to the all time record high levels we last saw in May before the end of Title 42. 8,500+ were Border Patrol apprehensions, 1,600+ at CBP ports of entry.
This record setting day does not include gottaways.
em2nought
09-21-23, 08:17 PM
New boyfriends flooding over the border for all the American leftist educated women who all us passport bros are taking a hard pass on. :har: Fudge Rounds for everyone!
Rockstar
09-21-23, 08:25 PM
I’m for immigration but when our southern border is open like it is there is no order and though thousands are legally processed. Thousands more are illegal and and we have no idea who they are, they just disappear into the night.
https://youtu.be/PMkMzPjb6EA?feature=shared
Meanwhile all the Democrat fact checkers can tell us is “Biden got jokes”. :har:
Rockstar
09-21-23, 08:50 PM
White House briefing room today is at another level. Karine Jean-Pierre claiming the current crisis is “decades old.” A lie, the numbers are historic in a bad way, cartels making billions.
“We’ve implemented a humane, safe, process.”
People drowning, dying daily.
‘Biden got jokes”
Rockstar
09-21-23, 09:01 PM
Virtue signaling Democrats and their sanctuary cities can choke on it. They vote for this mess they can fix it.
Biden got jokes :yeah:
https://youtu.be/F_IdjD71u04?feature=shared
https://i.postimg.cc/dQ5gbJJP/IMG-2786.jpg
Buddahaid
09-21-23, 09:38 PM
Trump has been ordered to give a deposition in court on October 3rd in his 500 million defamation lawsuit against Cohen. Something he and his lawyers were trying to ignore and avoid. I wonder if he'll just take the 5th for nine hours. :har:
Rockstar
09-21-23, 10:15 PM
Democrats and their border policy, done with their virtue signaling, now facing reality and beginning to eat their own. Actually, going after Biden and Biden is blaming Mayor Adams and Governor Hochul for the mess. :har::har:
Biden got jokes though :yeah:
https://youtu.be/7hNmMcjZxZo?feature=shared
Rockstar
09-21-23, 10:19 PM
You were warned time and time again but all the virtual signaling Democrats were so bitter and angry they refused to see it coming.
Too busy listening to Biden’s jokes I guess.
Catfish
09-22-23, 04:28 AM
re the F-35
That is hilarious.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/f-35-fighter-jets-only-mission-capable-55-percent-time-rcna111308
And we buy this thing. We. Buy. This. Thing. We sit on the other side of the Atlantic, btw. (The F-35 is heavily depending on getting maintained by Lockheed personnel).
Heard this theory from a friend:
"It is easy, Macron had proposed to build a new european plane together, also to develop other weapons together in Europe in the light of the early russian invasion last year, instead of buying from the US (with the dependencies on maintenance, goodwill and the very real option to them being shut off via remote). He had also proposed to sell french high tech military stuff to other european nations, and it would have been a lot better than what comes from the US, or most european nations.
Of course the US was not so amused losing trade partners, so they successfully tried to undermine that, and also to teach Macron a lesson they threw the french out of Nigeria supporting another of all those military coups, with the side effect of getting cheap resources. France has not even an embassy there anymore, the US of course has."
Made me think :03:
High time Europe wakes up, but with the polish PIS party, french LePen and italian Meloni it looks like the US was successful once more. Not in open war, but in all what counts behind the curtains :D
Rockstar
09-22-23, 08:35 AM
Mayor of Chicago says he will use federal and state tax dollars, just not local tax dollars. This after announces city-run grocery stores to replace the real ones fleeing the city due to predatory city government, collapsing social order, and industrial-scale shoplifting.
It’s worth noting the Soviets tried this and got food shortages. And they put shoplifters in the gulag.
Chicago already has failing schools, failing health-care, and of course failing public safety.
It could get a lot harder to find food in the city. True you can always Uber Eats, at least until the drivers get robbed enough times.
In theory, at some point the voters rebel. In reality, in many once-great American cities they missed their chance.
https://youtu.be/aklobw34qCk?feature=shared
Rockstar
09-22-23, 08:59 AM
F-35 Aircraft:
DOD and the Military Services Need to Reassess the Future Sustainment Strategy
GAO-23-105341
Published: Sep 21, 2023. Publicly Released: Sep 21, 2023.
Fast Facts
In the coming decades, the Department of Defense plans to spend an estimated $1.7 trillion on nearly 2,500 F-35s. Most of the funds will go to operating, maintaining, and repairing the aircraft.
DOD faces costly maintenance issues for the F-35, such as:
Delays setting up military service depots—facilities to complete the most complex repairs
Inadequate equipment to keep aircraft operational
Maintenance and supply delays affecting aircraft readiness
Also, while DOD intends to transition more maintenance responsibilities from contractors to the government, it doesn't have a plan to achieve this goal.
Our recommendations address these issues.
Highlights
What GAO Found
Maintenance challenges negatively affect F-35 aircraft readiness. The F-35 fleet mission capable rate—the percentage of time the aircraft can perform one of its tasked missions—was about 55 percent in March 2023, far below program goals. This performance was due in part to challenges with depot and organizational maintenance (see fig.). The program was behind schedule in establishing depot maintenance activities to conduct repairs. As a result, component repair times remained slow with over 10,000 waiting to be repaired—above desired levels. At the same time, organizational-level maintenance has been affected by a number of issues, including a lack of technical data and training.
F-35 Maintenance Challenges Negatively Affecting Aircraft Readiness
https://www.gao.gov/assets/extracts/84c428c8406fd1adf656614867a42ee6/rId14_image2.png
The Department of Defense (DOD) relies heavily on its contractor to lead and manage F-35 sustainment (see fig.). However, as DOD seeks expanded government control, it has neither (1) determined the desired mix of government and contractor roles, nor (2) identified and obtained the technical data needed to support its desired mix. The military services must take over management of F-35 sustainment by October 2027 and have an opportunity to make adjustments—specifically to the contractor-managed elements. Reassessing its approach could help DOD address its maintenance challenges and reduce costs.
Responsibility for the 12 F-35 Sustainment Elements
https://www.gao.gov/assets/extracts/84c428c8406fd1adf656614867a42ee6/rId15_image3.png
Why GAO Did This Study
The F-35 aircraft, with its advanced capabilities, represents a growing portion of DOD's tactical aviation fleet—with about 450 of the aircraft fielded. DOD plans to procure nearly 2,500 F-35s at an estimated life cycle cost of the program exceeding $1.7 trillion. Of this amount, $1.3 trillion are associated with operating and sustaining the aircraft.
The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2022 included a provision for GAO to review F-35 sustainment efforts. This report, among other things, assesses the extent to which (1) challenges exist with F-35 depot and organizational-level maintenance, and (2) DOD has determined its desired mix of government and contractor sustainment support for the future.
GAO reviewed F-35 program documentation, reviewed readiness and performance data, visited two F-35 depots and three operational installations, conducted a survey of all 15 F-35 installations, and interviewed officials.
Recommendations
GAO is making seven recommendations to DOD, including reassessing F-35 sustainment elements to determine government and contractor responsibility and any required technical data, and making final decisions on changes to F-35 sustainment to address performance and affordability. DOD concurred with all of GAO's recommendations.
Recommendations for Executive Action
TOO MUCH TO POST see above link or full report @ https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-23-105341.pdf
u crank
09-22-23, 10:18 AM
Oh my.
Sen. Bob Menendez and wife indicted on bribery charges; DOJ seizes gold bars and $500,000
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/22/politics/bob-menendez-charges/index.html
New Jersey Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez was charged on Friday with corruption-related offenses for the second time in 10 years.
Menendez and his wife, Nadine Arslanian Menendez, are accused of accepting “hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes” in exchange for the senator’s influence, according to the newly unsealed federal indictment.
Buddahaid
09-22-23, 12:01 PM
Good. :up:
em2nought
09-22-23, 12:28 PM
Token sacrifice. :03:
Rockstar
09-22-23, 12:49 PM
So Chicago wants to run it's own grocery stores to replace the private ones fleeing the city due to predatory city government, collapsing social order, and industrial-scale shoplifting.
It’s worth noting the Soviets tried this and got food shortages. And they put shoplifters in the gulag.
Chicago already has failing schools, failing health-care, and of course failing public safety.
It could get a lot harder to find food in the city. True you can always Uber Eats, at least until the drivers get robbed enough times.
In theory, at some point the voters rebel. But in many once-great American cities now turned into freeloading liberal socialist democrat crime ridden waste lands they missed their chance.
Now any remaining grocery stores will be competing against the government, so what is their incentive to stay? What is the incentive for any others to ever return to the Chicago market if they are competing against the city, which doesn't care about making a profit because they use federal and state (“not local”) tax dollars to operate?
I am going to go out on a limb here and predict that this will be a massive failure and make the issues worse.
https://youtu.be/cqJ6MJBZA00?feature=shared
Skybird
09-22-23, 12:55 PM
re the F-35
Heard this theory from a friend:
"It is easy, Macron had proposed to build a new european plane together, also to develop other weapons together in Europe in the light of the early russian invasion last year, instead of buying from the US (with the dependencies on maintenance, goodwill and the very real option to them being shut off via remote). He had also proposed to sell french high tech military stuff to other european nations, and it would have been a lot better than what comes from the US, or most european nations.
Of course the US was not so amused losing trade partners, so they successfully tried to undermine that, and also to teach Macron a lesson they threw the french out of Nigeria supporting another of all those military coups, with the side effect of getting cheap resources. France has not even an embassy there anymore, the US of course has."
Made me think :03:
High time Europe wakes up, but with the polish PIS party, french LePen and italian Meloni it looks like the US was successful once more. Not in open war, but in all what counts behind the curtains :D
You know that the German French tank project is in the process of stalling, the French European fighter jet project is stalling, and France does not want a strong Europe, it wants a strong France dominating Europe. Also, French military equipment gets delayed and delayed and delayed, which is one of the issues why the Australians gave them the boot.
Do not trust France.
Do not trust Germany.
Trust nobody.
Best would be you woudln't even be there. :O:
Rockstar
09-22-23, 01:47 PM
Token sacrifice. :03:
Senator Menendez defended himself in a lengthy statement Friday after the charges were made public, denying the allegations as "baseless" and accusing prosecutors in the Southern District of New York of overreaching.
Now where have I heard that before? :hmmm:
Catfish
09-22-23, 02:01 PM
You know that the German French tank project is in the process of stalling, the French European fighter jet project is stalling, and France does not want a strong Europe, it wants a strong France dominating Europe.
You cannot blame other countries just because ours is too dumb to do what should be done..
This stalling of weapons and delivery has reasons, and it is not far-fetched to think they are transcontinental. "Peaceful hegemony" of weapon deliveries and all that :D
Some is saying the Democrats is destroying the country, while others say the Republican is destroying the country.
To be honest is it so terrible in God's own country that it has turned into a banana republic ?
If the country is being slowly destroyed-Isn't it both party who should be blamed ?
Markus
Jeff-Groves
09-22-23, 05:33 PM
It IS both Parties Markus!
Then again it's the idiots VOTING the Crooks into Office!
So the Idiots keep believing the Crooks. They lie, get elected, and nothing gets done. Rinse and repeat for YEARS!
All the while those Crooks grow richer as the USA peoples grow poorer.
u crank
09-22-23, 05:35 PM
If the country is being slowly destroyed-Isn't it both party who should be blamed ?
In this case, absolutely.
Buddahaid
09-22-23, 06:29 PM
Token sacrifice. :03:
It should have happened in 2015 but the Supreme Court narrowed the definition of public corruption over the McDonnell case in 2016 and then Jack Smith's conviction of Melendez was overturned.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-robert-mcdonnell-corruption-case/
Jeff-Groves
09-22-23, 06:40 PM
Several of the justices had said that McDonnell's actions were merely an example of politics as usual: that politicians have always helped out supporters and constituents by reaching out to government officials on their behalf, setting up meetings or putting in a good word.
Yep. Not a damned thing wrong with that is there?
:hmmm:
Buddahaid
09-22-23, 07:24 PM
Several of the justices had said that McDonnell's actions were merely an example of politics as usual: that politicians have always helped out supporters and constituents by reaching out to government officials on their behalf, setting up meetings or putting in a good word.
Yep. Not a damned thing wrong with that is there?
:hmmm:
I'm betting one was Clarence Thomas?
Jeff-Groves
09-22-23, 08:06 PM
Regardless who the Judges were?
You don't see a problem with that kind of thinking?
:o
Rockstar
09-22-23, 08:29 PM
Regardless who the Judges were?
You don't see a problem with that kind of thinking?
:o
Apparently some Democrats do. But then you never know what their reasons are, I mean it’s only an indictment, Menendez still hasn’t been proven guilty of anything. Most likely Democrats already had someone lined up to take Menendez place months ago and are just trying to force him out. Seems to be a pattern with Democrats, business as usual. :haha:
This is horrifying': Top New Jersey Democrats call on Bob Menendez to resign after his second indictment
Democrats figured there would be new developments in the Bob Menendez investigation, but the charges are far more serious than any of them anticipated.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/22/new-jersey-democrats-menendez-indictment-00117693
Buddahaid
09-22-23, 08:38 PM
Regardless who the Judges were?
You don't see a problem with that kind of thinking?
:o
What kind of thinking are you referring to just to be clear.
Jeff-Groves
09-22-23, 08:41 PM
Don't care which 'Team' it is.
The part that is SO freaking wrong is
"actions were merely an example of politics as usual"
Pretty much approving of pedaling influence as business as usual.
Buddahaid
09-22-23, 08:56 PM
Don't care which 'Team' it is.
The part that is SO freaking wrong is
"actions were merely an example of politics as usual"
Pretty much approving of pedaling influence as business as usual.
I agree, which is why I said good to Melendez being indicted. What I don't agree with is Trump's "swamp draining." Good idea but he only wanted to replace that swamp with his own cesspool of sycophants.
Rockstar
09-22-23, 08:57 PM
There are so many ways for a US Senator to get rich via trading stocks and options based on inside knowledge. These guys know in advance which legislation and funding will pass Congress, then know which companies will benefit. They can trade on that knowledge and make millions of $$$.
So many of them actively do this and the other side never makes it an issue because both sides do it.
Just look at what they were worth when they first started compare that with what they get paid and what they’re now worth now.
Inflation doesn’t bother them one bit.
Buddahaid
09-22-23, 09:11 PM
So why then back the MAGA clowns in the House, and Trump, who want to trash the economy that is recovering under Biden's policies? Leave the culture war out of it and what do you end up with?
em2nought
09-22-23, 09:47 PM
the economy that is recovering under Biden's policies?
Your willing suspension of disbelief must be as HUGE as Trump's hands. :har:
Why do people keep talking about Trump ? Ron DeSantis is the biggest threat to the Democratic party. This guy has been there and smelled the stink. Liked it and wants' to be President.He knows where the stink is.Is he any different no...But he is a new threat that will rear end the progress of The Walking Dead of Washington DC. This man is a bigger threat than Donald. Do not believe the media and their polls that Trump is ahead. Look Hillary Clinton did a Interview with Burly Kay of the BBC and said. We don't care who they run they will not win.
Ya have to look it up it was Hillary's facial expression and the look she gave Burly Kay.It was 2 expressions in one,I want you and believe me.
Buddahaid
09-22-23, 11:46 PM
Your willing suspension of disbelief must be as HUGE as Trump's hands. :har:
"Your willing suspension of disbelief...."
Why thank you! I always seek the truth. :Kaleun_Wink:
Buddahaid
09-23-23, 12:24 AM
Why do people keep talking about Trump ? Ron DeSantis is the biggest threat to the Democratic party. This guy has been there and smelled the stink. Liked it and wants' to be President.He knows where the stink is.Is he any different no...But he is a new threat that will rear end the progress of The Walking Dead of Washington DC. This man is a bigger threat than Donald. Do not believe the media and their polls that Trump is ahead. Look Hillary Clinton did a Interview with Burly Kay of the BBC and said. We don't care who they run they will not win.
Ya have to look it up it was Hillary's facial expression and the look she gave Burly Kay.It was 2 expressions in one,I want you and believe me.
Ron DeSantis has no chance of winning anything past the primary, and I like how Christie is hounding Trump for the empty bag of air he keeps venting.
Skybird
09-23-23, 06:17 AM
https://youtu.be/oxN2hac8xbc?si=gzP8L0iRsLCibySU
Random find I stumbled over. Alter some of the country specific names and details, and he could have spoken about Germany, the whole EU.
Madness has gone pandemic in the West. And only in the West.
u crank
09-23-23, 08:33 AM
Ron DeSantis has no chance of winning anything past the primary, and I like how Christie is hounding Trump for the empty bag of air he keeps venting.
I would say that Ron DeSantis made a very big strategic mistake in running for the 2024 primary. He is only 45 years old. He should have waited till 2028. By then Trump would be history one way or another. And if the Democrat candidate were to win in 2024 that would be 8 years for the blue team. He would have had 4 more years of as fairly successful Governor and would have had a very clear path to the White House. And if he had endorsed Trump for the 2024 primary he would have had all those Trump supporters on his side.
Rockstar
09-23-23, 08:59 AM
So why then back the MAGA clowns in the House, and Trump, who want to trash the economy that is recovering under Biden's policies? Leave the culture war out of it and what do you end up with?
From your history of posts I get the impression everyone who doesn’t align with your team’s world view is either some MAGA or Trump supporter. That said, to answer your question what would we be left with? A dictatorship. Now you think your blue anon boogie man is trashing the economy? Here’s a news flash Tovarich the economy is already trashed, we haven’t even seen the worst of it yet. We know what brought us to this point too. Decades of the FED injecting trillions of dollars of fiat currency into the economy devaluing the dollar which in turn raised prices, all with the blessings of congress who appear incapable of developing a national budget and overseeing the FED. Until the spending of magic money is stopped the economy will be trashed again using the same playbook. Borrow cheap money, increased deficit spending, inflation, next comes the fantasy of soft landings and party fanboys thumping their chests declaring victory, 2 trillion in debt, panic rate hikes, and crash. Wash, rinse, repeat.
.
Usually I post his video in our Ukraine-thread, but this video is mostly about US politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ucFa4nsxC0&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts
Markus
Rockstar
09-23-23, 10:00 AM
Good choice Markus. In your video beginning @14:25 might explain why Democrats are going after Menendez now. And how a man to feeble to ask questions about it was picked as a presidential candidate and elected.
I guess Menendez didn’t get Schumer’s memo, “Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,”
Biden got jokes though :yeah:
Skybird
09-25-23, 09:59 AM
What chances has Nikki Haley? I read she performs fine, and only Trump is standing in her way.
u crank
09-25-23, 10:22 AM
What chances has Nikki Haley? I read she performs fine, and only Trump is standing in her way.
Haley has a lot of good qualities but one really bad one. She is a Neocon and part of the Washington war lobby. And that is not what polls show a significant number of GOP voters want. They want Washington to spend money at home and not on endless and very expensive proxy wars.
They want Washington to spend money at home and not on endless and very expensive proxy wars.
Is this a common standpoint among the Americans ?
Markus
u crank
09-25-23, 01:30 PM
Is this a common standpoint among the Americans ?
Markus
I did say GOP (Republican) voters. I don't know how Democrat and Independent voters feel.
Jimbuna
09-25-23, 01:31 PM
I sometimes wonder if they do either.
I did say GOP (Republican) voters. I don't know how Democrat and Independent voters feel.
You did-Sorry :oops:
Markus
u crank
09-25-23, 01:51 PM
I sometimes wonder if they do either.
Well I suspect that as time goes by, Jim support for the war by citizens of the countries that are giving military and financial help will wane. And if no end is in sight and no attempts by the US and some European countries to find a negotiated settlement then it will only get worse. This can't go on indefinitely. Reasonable people won't stand for it.
Buddahaid
09-25-23, 06:05 PM
I think you will find that Western European countries will want the food resource Ukraine represents on their side of the conflict.
Sometimes a conspiracy theory just comes apart at the seams...
...and on Fox News, no less...
Fox News Just Accidentally Demolished a Biden-Ukraine Conspiracy Theory --
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-brian-kilmeade-accidentally-demolishes-a-hunter-biden-ukraine-conspiracy-theory
<O>
Jimbuna
09-26-23, 05:39 AM
Well I suspect that as time goes by, Jim support for the war by citizens of the countries that are giving military and financial help will wane. And if no end is in sight and no attempts by the US and some European countries to find a negotiated settlement then it will only get worse. This can't go on indefinitely. Reasonable people won't stand for it.
And that is precisely what Putrid is banking on.
Rockstar
09-26-23, 07:47 AM
And that is precisely what Putrid is banking on.
There’s ways around that :). We were in Afghanistan for twenty years because we never heard that much about it in the news, it became the forgotten war. The same could become of Russia's invasion in Ukraine. If it’s out of sight and out of mind people won't care what kind or how long support continues. Unless the economy really takes a header, or the conflict remains front page news. Just look at the major disasters in East Palestine Ohio and Lahaina the administration and local government botched the response. But because the media has moved on to the next drama it makes so much easier for people to ignore continuing problems and forget about the billions going to foreign interests. On the other hand, I get the impression support will continue regardless of what people think.
Rockstar
09-26-23, 09:01 AM
Wonder how it’s going in Newsom’s sanctuary cities because New York City is gearing up to pay over $1,000,000,000 on just hotels over the next 3 years to house the flood of immigrants.
That’s what happens when you call yourself a “Sanctuary City.”
But that’s just the hotel costs. NYC Mayor Eric Adams estimates the total cost of the migrant crisis will be about $12B over the next 3 years.
“We are past our breaking point,” he said. “With more than 57,300 individuals currently in our care on an average night, it amounts to $9.8 million a day. Almost $300 million a month and nearly $3.6 billion a year.”
Residents in NYC have had enough. In the video below, Staten Island locals were arrested for blocking migrant buses.
https://youtu.be/owXHfV2wSeA?feature=shared
This was in our news today
President Joe Biden's job approval rating is 19 points underwater, his ratings for handling the economy and immigration are at career lows. A record number of Americans say they've become worse off under his presidency, three-quarters say he's too old for another term and Donald Trump is looking better in retrospect -- all severe challenges for Biden in his reelection campaign ahead
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/troubles-biden-age-reelection-campaign-poll/story?id=103436611
Markus
Jimbuna
09-26-23, 12:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CNirz5aB0
Rockstar
09-26-23, 02:45 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/80icdz.jpg
Catfish
09-26-23, 03:02 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/80icdz.jpg
I heard you have to sign some form when you travel to the US, with one question being "Do you intend to kill the president?"
Does this form change regularly?
Rockstar
09-26-23, 03:12 PM
I heard you have to sign some form when you travel to the US, with one question being "Do you intend to kill the president?"
Does this form change regularly?
I’ve been involved in immigration enforcement before and that’s a new one on me, so I seriously doubt it. But we do have on average 6,900 immigrants crossing our southern border everyday. You could ask them.
Very soon there will be no American politics to discuss- US government is facing a shutdown. If they can't agree on raising how much they may borrow-To pay the wages and bills.
Markus
Rockstar
09-26-23, 03:54 PM
Very soon there will be no American politics to discuss- US government is facing a shutdown. If they can't agree on raising how much they may borrow-To pay the wages and bills.
Markus
Payday is on the 29th of Sept if shut down occurs it will be on the 1st of Oct. I kinda think there will be continuing resolutions before that to keep most of it open for business. That’ll give’em two more weeks before the next payday to iron out the rest of it. It’s a cryin’ shame they can’t figure this out sooner though. It’s even more of a shame media doesn’t do anything to inform citizens what’s in the bill they’re actually arguing over. All we get to see in the news is the party drama, bad behavior and name calling.
Buddahaid
09-26-23, 03:57 PM
Trumps business license certificates for NY have been cancelled and the businesses are to go into receivership.
https://themessenger.com/politics/new-york-trump-organization-judge-new-york-letitia-james
Torvald Von Mansee
09-26-23, 09:39 PM
Trumps business license certificates for NY have been cancelled and the businesses are to go into receivership.
https://themessenger.com/politics/new-york-trump-organization-judge-new-york-letitia-james
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwfdbTvJDaQ
Otto Harkaman
09-27-23, 02:19 AM
Very soon there will be no American politics to discuss- US government is facing a shutdown. If they can't agree on raising how much they may borrow-To pay the wages and bills.
Markus
This is where politics and money meet, were things are decided by political clout influencing fiscal decisions, brinkmanship is just part of the game. Its not a crisis, its an important moment for governance.
Rockstar
09-27-23, 08:30 AM
It's the election 2024 variant. :haha:
Main symptoms are similar to the common cold and may include universal mail-in ballots.
https://i.postimg.cc/BQMR74cp/IMG-2837.jpg
Seems we should expect even more rate hikes, bank and small business closures, IMO eventually leading to one or maybe a small number of centralized banks such as JPMorgan, BoA, Chase making it easier regulate and control. Also, Powell made the statement inflation is well anchored, meaning this trashed economy isnÂ’t over by a long shot.
Kevin O’Leary Says a Coming Real Estate Collapse Will Lead to ‘Chaos’ — Here’s What You Need To Know
Story by Gabrielle Olya
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/kevin-o-leary-says-a-coming-real-estate-collapse-will-lead-to-chaos-here-s-what-you-need-to-know/ar-AA1hcjo1#image=1
“Shark Tank” star Kevin O’Leary believes that the commercial real estate sector is on the brink of collapse, and will bring with it ripple effects that will be detrimental to investors and small business owners. He expanded on this “unique situation” while appearing on a recent episode of “Kudlow.”
The Shift Away From In-Person Work Will Lead To More Bank Failures
Although many large-scale companies are shifting back to in-office work, many small businesses are not making this return. This means that many office buildings are remaining vacant.
“Many of these office spaces are in sub-grade markets, but even in cities like Boston, you find lots of vacancies — up to 40% of buildings,” O’Leary said. “The challenge is, in every other real estate cycle when you have a correction — which is about to happen here because of rising rates — we’ve got to refinance these buildings. Many of them have no equity left in them.”
This will cause serious issues for the regional banks that are invested in these buildings.
“These banks are going to fail because up to 40% of their portfolio is in commercial real estate,” O’Leary said.
Commercial Real Estate Will Need To Be Converted for Other Uses — but This Can Be Challenging
O’Leary said we are in a “unique” situation right now because the commercial real estate market is not expected to ever bounce back to where it was pre-pandemic.
“What’s unique, that’s just coming onto the radar screen, [is that] most of these cannot be used again as office [space] because the economy has changed,” he said. “No one saw this coming. But up to 40% of people that work in small businesses don’t return to offices anymore. So we have to repurpose this.”
OÂ’Leary notes that these properties could theoretically be converted into storage spaces or even housing, but this is easier said than done.
“You can’t do that without zoning changes and policy [changes],” he said. “It’s very difficult. So it may be better long term to actually tear these buildings down and rebuild [them for a] new purpose — data centers, industrial climate-controlled storage. That’s where we have to do it, but who’s going to pay for it? That’s what the question is because we’re talking about a trillion dollars in aggregate here. So there’s big problems and it’s going to manifest itself in these regional [banks] over the next 36 months.”
OÂ’Leary also noted that many of these buildings are no longer economically viable.
“Most of these buildings were built over the last 30 years and [have mortgages with] interest rates of less than 4%,” he said. “Now the Fed has raised rates to 5.5% terminal rate, which means these mortgages are going to be refinanced at 9% to 11% — so a 3x cost. So many of these buildings won’t be economically viable.”
The Issues With Commerical Real Estate Will Hurt Small Business Owners
As regional banks feel the effects of the commercial real estate collapse, this will be carried over to small business owners who normally seek loans from these banks.
“The spin-off, which is causing chaos right now, is those loan books at those regional banks,” O’Leary said. “Regional banks have closed to small businesses because they have capital call requirements, put on them because of the pressure on this commercial real estate, so they’re not making loans. […] So we’ve got the pressure at the regional banks, commercial real estate collapse and small business not getting any capital. This is all bad news.”
Since 1979, wages for the bottom 90% of earners had grown just 15%.
For the top 1%, it increased 138% for the top 1%, per the Economic Policy Institute.
CEO pay slightly declined in 2022
But it has soared 1,209.2% since 1978 compared with a 15.3% rise in typical workersÂ’ pay
By Josh Bivens and Jori Kandra • September 21, 2023
Overview • Read the Report
Summary: CEO pay dipped in 2022 but remains enormous compared with the pay of other workers. CEOs are granted massive compensation packages by corporate boards because of their bargaining power, not because of their skills. CEOsÂ’ exorbitant payouts have far outpaced the pay of typical workers over decades.
Key findings
CEO pay is linked strongly to the stock market—and market declines in 2022 led to an uncharacteristic dip in CEO pay.
Cumulatively, however, from 1978–2022, top CEO compensation shot up 1,209.2% compared with a 15.3% increase in a typical worker’s compensation.
In 2022, CEOs were paid 344 times as much as a typical worker in contrast to 1965 when they were paid 21 times as much as a typical worker.
To illustrate just how distorted CEO pay increases have gotten: In 2021, CEOs made nearly eight times as much as the top 0.1% of wage earners in the U.S.
Why this matters
Exorbitant CEO pay is not just a symbolic issue—it has contributed to rising inequality. CEOs are getting paid more because of their leverage over corporate boards, not because of contributions they make to their firms. Escalating CEO pay in recent decades has likely pulled up the pay of other top earners. This concentration of earnings at the top leaves fewer gains for ordinary workers.
How to fix it
Policies that limit CEOsÂ’ ability to collude with corporate boards to extract excessive compensation are needed to prevent the U.S. from becoming a winner-take-all society. These policies could include reinstating higher income tax rates at the very top, using tax policy to incentivize lower CEO pay, allowing shareholders to vote on CEO compensation, and using antitrust enforcement and regulation to rein in the market power of the largest firms.
Couple that to deficit spending, the FED printing money willynilly in turn devaluing the dollar thereby causing inflation and some states basically allowing it to happen
You get this
https://youtu.be/Rd-171DhZuk?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/kC--5QDe_9g?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/-64d6M4VKvQ?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/hCVVstgjBA0?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/LkHsdmWW8kk?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/DIFk_Xz6Pi8?feature=shared
Saw a video clip from Philadelphia, where a group of people was looting some stores and then the police came and started to "trying" to arrest some of the looters.
Is it only Afro-Americans who does this ? 'cause there were only people with dark skins in the video.
Markus
Rockstar
09-27-23, 10:38 AM
Saw a video clip from Philadelphia, where a group of people was looting some stores and then the police came and started to "trying" to arrest some of the looters.
Is it only Afro-Americans who does this ? 'cause there were only people with dark skins in the video.
Markus
Free IPhones!
https://youtu.be/pq2xqRWz69o?feature=shared
I've lost all respect for these people.
The riot/looting should be due to some shooting by the police in a traffic control.
If they had demonstrated in normal order-I would have respected them, however this behavior is a scandal.
Markus
Rockstar
09-27-23, 11:54 AM
OH My look at all the Sanctuary City bleeding heart virtue signaling Democrat XENOPHOBES up in arms crying about the horrors of migrants being shipped to their neighborhoods. Your rally to stop the wall done bit ya’all in the arse, didn’t it?
https://youtu.be/ROtcckDw4Nc?feature=shared
Rockstar
09-27-23, 01:45 PM
Makes sense to me. Betcha he gets indicted next. lol
https://youtu.be/hCDRPteSo_Q?feature=shared
Compared to Democrat Fetterman’s insights.
“The Chinese government and other US adversaries should own zero, zero agricultural land in our country. I believe that.”
“I mean, they're taking back our pandas. You know, we should take back all their farmland.”
Saw a video clip from Philadelphia, where a group of people was looting some stores and then the police came and started to "trying" to arrest some of the looters.
Is it only Afro-Americans who does this ? 'cause there were only people with dark skins in the video.
Markus
No, It's Americans and since your a NATO member we are going to send you some Americanisms.And we expect to see some videos back.:D
Rockstar
09-28-23, 09:27 AM
The reality of Bidenomics
Biden Economic Advisors Are Economically Illiterate
FX HEDGE
SEP 26, 2023
Biden administration spin doctor Jared Berstein is at it again, demonstrating his complete ignorance of both economic theory and fact — an alarming trait for the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers. Yet, we shouldn’t be surprised since Berstein isn’t even an economist; his degrees are in music, philosophy, and social work.
Don’t be shocked – when has this administration ever hired any competent people?
Berstein’s role seems to be less an advisor to the president than an advisor to the press, handing out talking points which the willing sycophants can spout each day about how great the economy is. “Don’t believe your lying eyes or your empty wallets, folks – come on, man!” Things are going swimmingly, and inflation is just a conspiracy, as AOC now says.
So, we’re left with a radical disconnect: an administration that touts isolated economic numbers and conspicuously narrow measurements, versus a two-thirds disapproval of the economy and horrific survey data, including consumer sentiment, confidence, and expectations.
It’s very simple to reconcile the disconnect: Berstein and other Biden administration officials are manipulating data and often flat-out lying.
A prime example is Mr. Bernstein’s whitewashing of our nation’s burgeoning credit card debt, which has surpassed $1 trillion for the first time. Even as interest rates soar, Americans are increasingly relying on credit cards to make ends meet. Ordinarily, higher interest rates discourage credit utilization and people pay more (or all) of their credit charges each month fall because it’s too expensive to carry a balance
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ff0bd8 3-083d-4e56-94b8-7e2b2d760f74_1078x810.png
The fact that we’ve seen the opposite today speaks to the desperate situation of the consumer. Because real earnings have fallen so precipitously, people are relying on credit cards to maintain their standard of living. And it’s not yachts and caviar driving the spending for most Americans, but necessities. In fact, multiple financing companies have popped up in the last year that only make loans for groceries – people literally can’t afford to eat.
So, now we have a situation where people are spending more than they earn, and therefore can’t afford to pay their credit card balances each month. That causes their balance to steadily grow. But with rising interest rates, their balances are skyrocketing because the financing charges are exploding. If people couldn’t pay off their entire balance, they certainly can’t pay the interest too.
For example, most Americans don’t have enough savings to cover a $400 emergency, so let’s start there and put it on the credit card. The typical American family’s weekly paycheck has ballooned $230 under the Biden administration, but it buys $100 less, leaving a monthly deficit of $430. Let’s assume the family cuts back $230 per month, which means we’re running a monthly deficit of $200.
That deficit is the amount on the credit card we can’t afford to pay off, so it’s added to the balance each month. All we can afford is the minimum payment, but at least we avoid penalties. If the credit card still had a low rate, the balance would be just under $2,900 after one year.
But rates aren’t low anymore – they’re at record highs. Now, the card’s balance is $3,400 after 12 months, $500 more in interest compared to when rates were low. We’re already running a $200 monthly deficit, so there’s no hope of paying an additional $500 on top of it.
But when confronted with these facts, Mr. Bernstein brushes them off, claiming that the financing costs for consumers have declined relative to disposable personal income, which is not true.
To facilitate his lie, Berstein performs two sleights of hand. First, he compares today to pre-pandemic levels, because if he compared today to when Biden took office, the data would show we’re worse off. But, by including the last year of the Trump administration, Berstein can take credit for his predecessor’s success.
Second, Berstein switches from his original claim to comparing disposable personal income with credit card debt levels, but not credit card financing costs. While $1 trillion in credit card debt is alarming, it’s apples and oranges to compare a stock (credit card debt) to a flow (income).
To illustrate, imagine if instead of paying your mortgage off in 30 years, you had to do it in just one. The former is probably affordable, and the latter almost certainly isn’t. That’s because the flow of mortgage payments is less than the flow of your income in the former case, but more than your income in the latter case. But in both instances, the stock of your mortgage debt was identical.
The graph below shows Berstein’s silly comparison of credit card debt as a portion of disposal personal income via the dashed blue line. Today, it is a fraction of 1% less than the pre-pandemic ratio, demonstrating that Berstein is technically correct about his nonsensical comparison. But the solid green line adjusts credit card balances for the interest rate, transforming the stock into a flow, and making the comparison to income actually meaningful.
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Two things immediately just out because of this transformation. Going from left to right, the first two years of the Trump administration had lower financing costs on credit card debt relative to incomes because interest rates were low. As rates rose, the same proportion of debt to income caused financing costs to rise 25% relative to the rise in incomes.
In other words, credit card financing charges ballooned not because credit card debt rose relative to incomes, but because interest rates rose. But that jump is nothing compared to what’s happened under Biden. The faster rate hikes to combat 40-year-high inflation have sent credit card interest rates to record highs. In about the last year, financing costs on credit cards have exploded 40% relative to incomes.
When you compare apples to apples, you get a better sense of what’s truly going on. People are genuinely hurting because they are getting trapped into financial death spirals of burgeoning credit card debt. The speed at which this is escalating is clear from the graph and that helps explain the very rapid rise in nonperforming credit card debt, meaning delinquencies and defaults.
Like the stock vs. flow discussion, credit card nonperformance hasn’t gotten a lot of attention because the level is still very low, having been artificially depressed for three years but all kinds of fiscal and monetary stimulus as well as various debt repayment moratoria, all of which left consumers flush with cash. But although the level is still low from a historical perspective, it is rising fast – very fast.
But that’s no concern for Berstein and the rest of the Biden administration since there’s no good way to spin rising rates of credit card default. We’ll just brush that under the rug and hope it “seasonally adjusts” out at a future date…
Jimbuna
09-28-23, 12:51 PM
Donald Trump has made the bizarre and baseless claim that wind turbines are driving whales "crazy" and causing them to die.
Jeff-Groves
09-28-23, 12:54 PM
Wind Turbines cause people around here to go crazy!
Unfortunatly? They don't die.
:nope:
Jimbuna
09-28-23, 12:55 PM
Best fact check that with Trump first :)
Donald Trump has made the bizarre and baseless claim that wind turbines are driving whales "crazy" and causing them to die.
How do you explain the increase in strandings and deaths around offshore wind turbine farms then? Coincidence? The Russians?
Jeff-Groves
09-28-23, 01:02 PM
Don't need to do that.
People around here vote to keep Wind Farms away because of BS like that.
The mention of a Wind Farm Drives them crazy!
But they don't die!
Jeff-Groves
09-28-23, 01:03 PM
How do you explain the increase in strandings and deaths around offshore wind turbine farms then? Coincidence? The Russians?
Global Warming.
Are you not paying attention?
:har:
Rockstar
09-28-23, 03:08 PM
Donald Trump has made the bizarre and baseless claim that wind turbines are driving whales "crazy" and causing them to die.
Interesting, what makes it so baseless and bizarre? Oh ya, the Trump said it and out come the fact checkers again. :roll::har:
https://archive.ph/d6JD2
… New Jersey is the leader in offshore wind energy, but the state is also finding itself a leader in whale deaths. At least nine dead humpback whales have washed ashore on the New Jersey coast — the largest number of any state — since the start of the year. Other whale species and dead dolphins have also washed up.
Many are calling for a moratorium on offshore wind due to the fact that there has been an unprecedented number of whale deaths, dolphin deaths, and porpoise deaths along the East Coast,” Mr. Testa says. “Even proponents of offshore wind will acknowledge that this amount of marine life death constitutes an extreme anomaly.”
Sure to the layman 2 plus 2 equals 4. But when a billion dollar business and billions in subsidies are involved 2 plus 2 equals whatever they want it to be.
Buddahaid
09-28-23, 03:19 PM
Interesting, what makes it so baseless and bizarre? Oh ya, the Trump said it and out come the fact checkers again. :roll::har:
https://archive.ph/d6JD2
Sure to the layman 2 plus 2 equals 4. But when a billion dollar business and billions in subsidies are involved 2 plus 2 equals whatever they want it to be.
And what do the biologists cite as the cause of death? Whales have been beaching for no apparent reason for a long time and before there were wind farms.
Rockstar
09-28-23, 03:38 PM
And what do the biologists cite as the cause of death? Whales have been beaching for no apparent reason for a long time and before there were wind farms.
At the moment I don’t believe anyone is certain why there’s an increase in marine mammal stranding in that area. There does appear to be a correlation between the strandings and the wind farms, but correlation doesn’t always mean causation. However to rule it out or laugh it off as baseless and bizarre is just plain ignorant.
Billions of dollars are involved here we may never get a straight answer. They’re just dumb whales anyway.
Skybird
09-28-23, 04:30 PM
https://youtu.be/ML3qYHWRIZk?si=UiqPLvq_IhrBgQos
Buddahaid
09-28-23, 04:39 PM
Well, the impeachment hearings, getting off to a great start. The star witnesses testify they have no evidence.
https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/uHD3YLuN
Rockstar
09-28-23, 06:22 PM
Fixed.
Well, the impeachment hearings, getting off to a great start. The star witnesses testify they have no evidence first hand witness accounts
https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/uHD3YLuN
Buddahaid
09-28-23, 07:08 PM
In other words they have hearsay and rainbows and unicorns.
Rockstar
09-28-23, 07:26 PM
In other words they have hearsay and rainbows and unicorns.
Maybe, but remember the words of Democrat Rep. Maxine Waters: “Impeachment is about whatever the Congress says it is. There is no law that dictates impeachment. What the Constitution says is ‘high crimes and misdemeanors,’ and we define that.”.
So, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, right?. Such is the divisive state of American politics I guess, sad but true. Then again maybe Biden really did break the law. I mean there is Biden on YouTube shooting him self in the foot by boosting how he used tax payer money as leverage to have that Ukrainian investigating Burisma fired. Might be some bank incriminating statements and phone records too. Ya never know. :hmm2:
Rockstar
09-29-23, 10:22 AM
The Threat of an American Debt Crisis
The mini-documentary America’s Looming Debt Spiral shows how the path back to fiscal prudence is getting harder—and that time may be running out.
By Scarlet Fu
September 28, 2023 at 9:02 PM UTC
https://archive.ph/D38Tm
The cost of servicing US debt has surged in recent years. The perpetual threat of a government shutdown or even default comes thanks to political dysfunction that’s seemingly put solutions out of reach. At some point, the failure to tackle America’s large and growing budget deficit is going to hit the wallets of ordinary Americans. And hard.
In the Bloomberg Originals mini-documentary America’s Looming Debt Spiral, we spell out the potentially dire consequences that may flow from the continued inability of the world’s largest economy to manage its finances.
https://youtu.be/lWf_ZQXQll4?feature=shared
Bloomberg Originals: America’s Looming Debt Spiral
The US government is currently spending more to pay interest on its $33 trillion national debt than it does on national defense, according to the US Treasury’s monthly statement. In the current fiscal year through August, the Treasury has spent $807.84 billion in interest on its debt securities. The Department of Defense’s outlay for military programs totaled $695.44 billion in the same period.
Of course, this is far from a new problem for Washington—it’s long spent more than it takes in, given the political perils of tax hikes or spending cuts to social safety nets that a wide swath of Americans depend on. It was a decade ago in the slow-growth aftermath of the financial crisis that the US gross federal debt surpassed gross domestic product. The debt-to GDP ratio stayed relatively stable until 2020, when the coronavirus swept across the planet, killing millions and cratering economies.
In the US, emergency pandemic aid and subsequent spending on infrastructure added to the financial burden of earlier tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, sending the national debt spiking upwards. As recently as April, the debt was the equivalent of 120% of GDP.
While the outlook may seem grim, the past shows the US budget can be balanced—like the Clinton administration did in the late 1990s. But as America’s Looming Debt Spiral shows, the path back to fiscal prudence is getting longer, the consequences of doing nothing are becoming worse—and time is running out.
em2nought
09-29-23, 11:12 AM
Poor John McCain, he's about to have his royal funeral upstaged. :03:
Rockstar
09-29-23, 11:58 AM
Government-mandated Digital ID leads to social-credit “Neo-Feudalism.” Where the rich buy their way out of the rules the rest of us have to follow.
We’re seeing this already, where the rich and connected buy out of dysfunctional government: They have fully-funded private security, doctors on call, impressive piles of mansions, yachts, sports cars and private jets. All while lobbying for the rest of us to minimize our “carbon footprint.”
The worst victims are the most enthusiastic supporters. And the institutional left is doing everything possible to keep them blind and asleep.
https://youtu.be/VCwpkM1LSv0?feature=shared
In other words they have hearsay and rainbows and unicorns.
Your side impeached Trump on the basis of somebody who claimed to have overheard somebody else who was eavesdropping on a telephone conversation.
Skybird
09-29-23, 02:07 PM
https://youtu.be/VCwpkM1LSv0?feature=shared
I like the way he puts things, and what he says. Keep them coming, Rocky!
Jeff-Groves
09-29-23, 02:56 PM
Poor John McCain, he's about to have his royal funeral upstaged. :03:
Are you refering to the fact that one of the Wicked Witches of the West has died?
:hmmm:
Buddahaid
09-29-23, 08:30 PM
Your side impeached Trump on the basis of somebody who claimed to have overheard somebody else who was eavesdropping on a telephone conversation.
My side?
Let's see your side vote for impeachment and let's see if that gets any traction. They refuse to call for a vote because they know it will fail and then they'll have to shut up.
My side?
Let's see your side vote for impeachment and let's see if that gets any traction. They refuse to call for a vote because they know it will fail and then they'll have to shut up.
Oh c'mon quit pretending you aren't a dyed in the wool Democrat. You've consistently backed everything they do for as long as I've seen you post here. As for impeaching Crooked old Joe we'll see.
It's obvious that no way will a Democrat controlled Senate ever convict one of their own no matter what he's done.
em2nought
09-29-23, 09:35 PM
Are you refering to the fact that one of the Wicked Witches of the West has died?
:hmmm:
Ding-dong, she's gone where the goblins go below, below, below, yo ho!
Buddahaid
09-29-23, 09:44 PM
Oh c'mon quit pretending you aren't a dyed in the wool Democrat. You've consistently backed everything they do for as long as I've seen you post here. As for impeaching Crooked old Joe we'll see.
It's obvious that no way will a Democrat controlled Senate ever convict one of their own no matter what he's done.
So why don't the MAGA idiots in the house call for a vote and then start doing their jobs? They can't because they don't have any policy. All they have is empty whining.
So why don't the MAGA idiots in the house call for a vote and then start doing their jobs? They can't because they don't have any policy. All they have is empty whining.
As I understand it the MAGA idiots have called for impeachment several times. At least one has introduced articles, but McCarthy wants do to an inquiry first.
Buddahaid
09-30-23, 09:45 AM
As I understand it the MAGA idiots have called for impeachment several times. At least one has introduced articles, but McCarthy wants do to an inquiry first.
McCarthy is nobody and doesn't have the stones to face down MAGA. He lost his chance to make them irrelevant and take control of the House and instead called for the impeachment that will never get a floor vote as required. It's a case of pointing at the man and then trying to find a crime instead having a crime and pointing at the man. MAGA will get voted out.
McCarthy is nobody and doesn't have the stones to face down MAGA. He lost his chance to make them irrelevant and take control of the House and instead called for the impeachment that will never get a floor vote as required. It's a case of pointing at the man and then trying to find a crime instead having a crime and pointing at the man. MAGA will get voted out.
Oh bull. Biden and his family have been selling influence and taking bribes for decades now and it's patently obvious to anyone who doesn't wear ideological blinders.
Out of the blue the Vice President of the United States threatens to withhold congressionally approved foreign aid funding in order to get some unknown foreign prosecutor fired.
Put aside the fact that the prosecutor was investigating his sons company and they paid that son a bus full of money for no apparent reason for a moment.
When has that ever happened before in the history of the United States? When has the executive branch ever demanded some random low level foreign officials removal like that?
Ideological blinders. You got them welded on my friend.
Buddahaid
09-30-23, 11:06 AM
There's a nice list of things Trump has said he will do if elected again in this video. Mainstream media does not call him out for this, but they are in his social media posts and public speaking.
1. Arrest the homeless and send them to tent cities for rehabilitation.
Sounds like concentration camps for reeducation to me.
2. Shoot looters on sight.
No due process but likely martial law decrees.
3. Create ten "Freedom Cities" free from government oversight.
Sounds like new city states to me.
4. Shoot border crossers.
5. Have all Federal employees take a patriotism test and fire them if they fail, or refuse.
6. Appoint Federal judges in the vein of Clarence Thomas.
7. Have the DOJ subpoena DA's and terminate them if he doesn't like what they do.
8. Fire staff and eliminate college accreditation boards if he feels they are Marxist.
9. Seize college endowments and fine colleges millions if he thinks they are Marxist, or discriminate against white people.
10. Have the DOJ arrest General Mark Milley for treason.
11. End the Ukraine war in 24 hours. Basically, give Russia territory as if it's not their country.
12. Have school presidents elected annually by parents. No credentials needed.
13. Give drug dealers the death penalty.
14. Pardon J6 inmates and have the government apologize.
15. Bring back Tom Homan to run ICE. The guy responsible for separating kids from their parents at the border.
16. End DEI training in the military.
17. Terminate the Constitution if he thinks voter fraud occurred.
18. Eliminate early and absentee balloting.
19. Create a commission to investigate long term organ problems from vaccines.
20. End birthright citizenship.
21. Fire 40,000 civil servants and hire patriots loyal to him.
22. Form a commission to determine if genetically engineered marijuana is causing mass shootings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_hkIuIZjGE
u crank
09-30-23, 11:25 AM
There's a nice list of things Trump has said he will do if elected again in this video. Mainstream media does not call him out for this, but they are in his social media posts and public speaking.
There is very little on that list that any President could do by fiat. And if any of it was tried it would not get through the legal system. And I think you know that. When Trump says stupid things two different groups of people react but the result is the same. Sad.
Buddahaid
09-30-23, 11:52 AM
There is very little on that list that any President could do by fiat. And if any of it was tried it would not get through the legal system. And I think you know that. When Trump says stupid things two different groups of people react but the result is the same. Sad.
I agree, but the fact that he even says these things is what matters to me and it should be pointed out to the general public just how unamerican and Fascist his views are.
u crank
09-30-23, 12:33 PM
I agree, but the fact that he even says these things is what matters to me and it should be pointed out to the general public just how unamerican and Fascist his views are.
A good point but shouldn't that also apply to the current President. Joe Biden has lied about the economy, inflation, the border, covid and taxes. He has told some unbelievable tall tales and fabulous stories and in all cases they proved to be false. Does this not concern you at all? Is this someone who should be the leader of a country like the United States?
Rockstar
09-30-23, 02:38 PM
McCarthy is nobody and doesn't have the stones to face down MAGA. He lost his chance to make them irrelevant and take control of the House and instead called for the impeachment that will never get a floor vote as required. It's a case of pointing at the man and then trying to find a crime instead having a crime and pointing at the man. MAGA will get voted out.
umm those 21 or so congressmen were voted in by people who exercised their right to vote. Now you want one man to ‘take control’ and make them bend to his will. How very authoritarian of you. :)
And by the way define fascism? Hint it’s Italian and Biden is the first president in history to publically pickett with them and it’s Democrats who when they lose elections support fascism by wanting to get rid of the electoral vote. Then there’s Democrats who love to exercise their Facisim, which coincidently leads to authoritarian rule, by labeling everyone who doesn’t agree with them as extremists.
Facists and Nazis are everywhere. lol
Rockstar
09-30-23, 04:27 PM
Granted it’s not the New York Times, Wikipedia or your favorite fact checker bot, but it’ll do. :D
Joe Biden Lied At Least 16 Times About His Family’s Business Schemes
https://oversight.house.gov/blog/joe-biden-lied-at-least-15-times-about-his-familys-business-schemes/
WSJ Editorial Board: There Is Evidence for an Impeachment Inquiry
WASHINGTON—The Wall Street Journal Editorial Board published a piece emphasizing the importance of opening an impeachment inquiry in the wake of mounting evidence of Joe Biden’s abuse of public office. The Editorial Board points to the evidence unearthed by the House Oversight Committee, which reveals Joe Biden knew and was involved in his family’s influence peddling schemes around the world that enriched the Biden family.
Say this for the Biden White House: It knows its media audience. It was thus no surprise that after House Speaker Kevin McCarthy announced the opening of an impeachment inquiry this week, White House spokesman Ian Sams gave the press its marching orders.
“It’s time for the media to ramp up its scrutiny of House Republicans for opening an inquiry based on lies,” he wrote in a memo to news outlets. Much of the press proceeded to report that Republicans have “no evidence” to justify investigating the President.
It’s true there’s no proof so far that the President cashed checks from foreign sources. But there’s plenty of evidence that son Hunter and others in the Biden family received millions of dollars from foreign partners who believed they were buying influence with his father. The House has good reason to follow these leads about a President who is asking to remain in office for another four years.
Kentucky Rep. James Comer, the House Oversight Chairman, this week outlined the evidence that Republicans have already gathered. It’s some list.
Former Hunter business partner Devon Archer says Joe Biden was “the brand” being sold, and that as Vice President he participated by speakerphone with Hunter and his business associates at least 20 times, and that he also met or dined with Hunter and his foreign associates. These included Russian oligarchs, a Ukrainian executive being investigated for corruption, and a Chinese business partner for whose daughter Mr. Archer thinks Joe Biden wrote a college letter of recommendation.
We also know that Vice President Biden okayed talking points on the Ukrainian company Burisma supplied by Hunter business associate Eric Schwerin. We know the State Department’s George Kent warned Mr. Biden in 2015 that Hunter’s presence on the board of Burisma was being used to undermine America’s anti-corruption message.
An FBI informant has told the bureau that Mykola Zlochevsky, Burisma’s CEO, paid $5 million each in bribes to Hunter and Joe. This hasn’t been corroborated. More recently we learned that Hunter business partner James Gilliar emailed Hunter and other associates that 10% of a deal with Chinese energy firm CEFC was to go to the “big guy.” Former Hunter business partner Tony Bobulinski has said the big guy was Joe Biden.
The Biden money trail goes through at least 20 shell companies; the Vice President used different email pseudonyms; and at least 170 financial transactions related to Hunter or Joe’s brother James Biden were flagged to Treasury as suspicious. A pair of IRS agents, Gary Shapley and Joseph Ziegler, told Congress that the Justice Department undermined their investigation into Hunter Biden’s emails and tax filings.
Mr. Biden has obfuscated all of this from the start, such as denying in a 2020 campaign debate that his family had received money from China. He also invoked a phony talking point cooked up by 51 former intelligence officers to declare Hunter’s infamous laptop Russian disinformation. His administration has stonewalled House efforts to get the information it seeks and has now set up a war room to fight an inquiry.
Starting an inquiry doesn’t mean it will end in impeachment, and there’s not enough evidence so far to justify such a step. But to say there’s no cause for investigation is to deny the reality of all we’ve learned about the Biden family business.
And now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIvCY6VvZaU
https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?feature=shared
In my opinion it shouldn't be a question whether a politicians, a Minister or a President should be held accountable for crimes they have done during their time in Congress, Senate or the White House.
It should not be a discussion if a politician shall have a warning or being impeached.
In the real there's a different-Here your fellow partner can't vote for or against a warning or impeachment.
Markus
Rockstar
09-30-23, 06:43 PM
Democrat Jamaal Bowman pulled the fire alarm to delay the critical shutdown vote
Dude should be removed & in cuffs.
https://i.postimg.cc/BbSHk58v/IMG-2870.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/C1Hbcrxt/IMG-2871.jpg
This is the same buffoon who called for Biden to make 6 Jan a national day of remembrance. Democrats do so love the spectacle. “Smart” enough to become a congressman but dumb enough to think a fire alarm opens doors. :har:
Rockstar
09-30-23, 07:58 PM
The new Supreme Court term takes aim at the administrative state
Conflicts over guns, gender bias and abortion are coming up, too
Sep 28th 2023 | NEW YORK
https://archive.ph/6vj1b
Amid a storm of ethics concerns and an approval rating stuck at historic lows for a second consecutive year, the Supreme Court returns to action on October 2nd. Battles over gun rights, gender-based employment discrimination and social-media use by public officials loom, as do lingering questions about voting rights, abortion pills and affirmative action. A constitutional challenge to Donald Trump’s candidacy based on his role in the riot at the Capitol on January 6th 2021 could reach the high court as the presidential campaign heats up. But the stars of the term may be a deceptively bland trio of cases that could transform the way the federal government does its work.
A wonky-but-weighty hearing will greet the justices on their second day back in robes. In the snappily named Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (cfpb) v Community Financial Services Association of America, the court will review a decision of the fifth circuit court of appeals, America’s most conservative circuit court, undercutting the consumer-watchdog agency established in the wake of the financial crisis of 2007-08. The fifth circuit ruled that the cfpb has an unconstitutional funding structure. Article I, section 9 of the constitution mandates that “[n]o money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law”. Since the cfpb has a permanent funding stream allocated annually not by Congress but by the Federal Reserve, the plaintiffs argue that its financing is illegitimate.
If the justices find that this arrangement violates the constitution, everything the agency has done over its 12 years—from cracking down on predatory lenders to breaking up fraudulent debt-collection schemes—could be deemed unlawful, too. The fallout from such a ruling would be “deeply destabilising”, the federal government warns. A friend-of-the-court brief from the housing finance industry predicts “catastrophic economic consequences” should challengers to the cfpb prevail, including “severe instability” in the mortgage market from uncertainty about the status of the agency’s lending rules.
Similarly significant effects could flow from Securities and Exchange Commission (sec) v Jarkesy, another fifth-circuit decision coming to the Supreme Court later in the autumn. The case was brought by George Jarkesy after his company, Patriot28, appeared before an administrative-law judge (alj) in 2014 for alleged securities fraud involving two hedge funds. After the alj found him liable, assessing $300,000 in civil penalties and disgorging $685,000 of illicit profits, Mr Jarkesy sued the sec, contending that its enforcement procedures are unconstitutional. A fifth-circuit panel found that Mr Jarkesy had a seventh-amendment right to a jury trial, that Congress has handed the sec too much power and that aljs are too hard to remove. If the Supreme Court agrees, the sec will become less nimble in its ability to protect investors. Other agencies using aljs to enforce regulations, including the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Environmental Protection Agency (epa), could get caught in Jarkesy’s wake.
A third case threatening the independence of administrative agencies—Loper Bright Enterprises v Raimondo—may pull the plug on a precedent that has been on life support for years. When Chevron v Natural Resources Defense Council came down in 1984, conservatives faithfully applied the deference it afforded to administrative agencies’ own interpretations of ambiguous laws. As long as agencies like the epa or the Occupational Safety and Health Administration issued “reasonable” regulations in the face of statutory ambiguity, Chevron held, judges should butt out and let the bureaucrats do their work.
But over the decades justices on the right have soured on Chevron’s long leash for agencies and their progressive regulations. In 2015, in a case involving enforcement of the Clean Air Act, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that Chevron had enabled the epa to enact “policy goals”—usurping Congress’s job. Last year, Justice Neil Gorsuch characterised Chevron as “judicial abdication” and argued that although courts now seldom invoke it, the ruling “deserves a tombstone no one can miss”.
With three opportunities to rein in federal agencies—thereby reallocating power to the judiciary—the justices also face a tough case testing the reach of a revolutionary gun-rights decision, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v Bruen, issued in 2022. According to that ruling, the only limits on firearms allowed by the second amendment today are those with historical analogues that were in place when the amendment was ratified in 1791 or extended to the states through the 14th amendment in 1868. United States v Rahimi asks whether a federal ban on guns for domestic abusers under restraining orders passes constitutional muster despite, as the fifth circuit found, “no tradition” of such prohibitions in the 18th or 19th centuries.
Racial gerrymandering returns to the Supreme Court on October 11th, when the justices look into a claim that South Carolina shuttled black voters in and out of districts when drawing its congressional map after the 2020 census. On October 31st the justices will hear two cases asking whether the first amendment bars public officials—a city manager in Michigan and two school-board members in San Diego—from blocking constituents on their social-media accounts. Later in the autumn, they will ask whether Title VII of the Civil Rights Act was violated when a female police officer was transferred to a less interesting position because her supervisor allegedly wanted a man for her job.
The justices have aftershocks to confront from several recent decisions related to race. They showed no patience for Alabama’s defiance of Allen v Milligan, a decision from June requiring the state to comply with the Voting Rights Act by drawing a second congressional district where black voters have an opportunity to elect a candidate of their choice. Students for Fair Admissions v Harvard, the decision from June ending race-based affirmative action in university admissions, has put wind in the sails of a lawsuit against a race-blind policy designed to enhance diversity at an elite high school in Virginia. In August opponents of the policy asked the Supreme Court to hear their case. And a new challenge to the consideration of race at West Point, a military academy, could eventually end up in the justices’ laps.
The hottest-button issue in American politics—abortion—is also likely to end up back at the high court. In the coming months, they may have the final say on a district court’s decision severely limiting access to mifepristone, a widely used drug to end early pregnancies.
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This article appeared in the United States section of the print edition under the headline "Who has agency?"
Buddahaid
10-01-23, 01:39 AM
Well, well. McCarthy found his stones and rendered MAGA irrelevant.
Jimbuna
10-01-23, 06:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR7LHOfSA_k
Rockstar
10-01-23, 09:25 AM
Government employees when the government passes a last minute budget and they have to cancel their trip to Disney and be at work on Monday.
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Jimbuna
10-01-23, 12:56 PM
Surely America and the world can do better than a 77-year-old who's facing jail and an 80-year-old whose campaign strategy is 'don't fall over'?
It's purely up to the voters what they want.
There are more candidates to pick than the two main candidate.
Markus
Buddahaid
10-01-23, 02:24 PM
Surely America and the world can do better than a 77-year-old who's facing jail and an 80-year-old whose campaign strategy is 'don't fall over'?
Not for this round.
Jeff-Groves
10-01-23, 02:51 PM
Surely America and the world can do better than a 77-year-old who's facing jail and an 80-year-old whose campaign strategy is 'don't fall over'?
Are you kidding? The whole World Loves a Clown! And what better then falling down as a Clown? Barnum made a fortune off of them.
As for the other Clown? All one needs to do is add face paint. Lord knows he has the Wig part down.
Problem is not who's running for Office. It's Who idiots vote for.
I hereby ask Great Britian to invalidate the Independence of the Colonies of America on the grounds of being Ungrateful and Corrupt!
I hereby ask Great Britian to invalidate the Independence of the Colonies of America on the grounds of being Ungrateful and Corrupt!
If you are following what Jim and others are posting in our UK-politics thread, you would know that UK has a lot of domestic problem them self.
I think they would say-Thanks but no thanks you can keep your problems just where they are.
Markus
Rockstar
10-01-23, 04:37 PM
If you are following what Jim and others are posting in our UK-politics thread, you would know that UK has a lot of domestic problem them self.
I think they would say-Thanks but no thanks you can keep your problems just where they are.
Markus
Domestic problems and their former colonies want to sue them for 45 trillion in reparations and recover all the historical artifacts the English stole from them.
Rockstar
10-01-23, 06:03 PM
Honestly I did not see this coming. But, you know what they say: "never let a crisis go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel
Forget about local, county, or the state police or legislative authority. Target is going straight to big brother. I’m sure this will grow to be very popular, it’s for your safety you know.
ON TARGET Target announces major policy change with Homeland Security to combat theft as shoplifting scourge shutters stores
Louis Regan
Published: 14:41 ET, Oct 1 2023Updated: 14:42 ET, Oct 1 2023
https://www.the-sun.com/news/9225428/target-partners-with-homeland-security-combat-theft/
TARGET have announced it will team up with Homeland Security to tackle soaring theft after it was forced to shut several stores.
The retail giant announced have also promised to make "significant investments in cyber defense" as it scrambles to tackle spiralling crime.
On Tuesday, the beloved chain issued a statement to customers listing the ways it will strive to combat criminality in its stores.
"At Target, we take the decision to close stores very seriously, and only do so after taking meaningful steps to invest in the guest experience and improve business performance," the statement began.
"With that said, we have made the difficult decision to close nine Target stores across four states, effective Oct. 21.
"In this case, we cannot continue operating these stores because theft and organized retail crime are threatening the safety of our team and guests, and contributing to unsustainable business performance.
"We know that our stores serve an important role in their communities, but we can only be successful if the working and shopping environment is safe for all."
The company then lists its store policy changes, namely its decision to team up with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Homeland Security Investigations.
It comes after Target made the shocking announcement that it will pull the plug on nine stores in major cities due to the spiralling crime.
Closures in New York City, Seattle, and Portland, are coming after Target CEO Brian Cornell warned that historically high crime rates could force other execs to make tough decisions.
“ We cannot continue operating these stores because theft and organized retail crime are threatening the safety of our team and guests, and contributing to unsustainable business performance," Target said in a news release.
“We know that our stores serve an important role in their communities, but we can only be successful if the working and shopping environment is safe for all.”
One location in New York City's Harlem neighborhood will close, alongside three in San Francisco, two in Seattle, and three more in Portland, Oregon.
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Jimbuna
10-02-23, 07:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDefkXwZXNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrWmylX8il8
Rockstar
10-02-23, 08:21 AM
People don’t believe government inflation statistics. And they’ve got the grocery receipts to prove it.
Media laughs, but it turns out the widely-respected “Big Mac Index” says inflation has been almost twice the official government numbers for at least 20 years.
That means we’re a lot poorer than we thought, and getting poorer.
https://youtu.be/njjEIcheLWw?feature=shared
Jimbuna
10-02-23, 01:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5NGqBDOXS8
Rockstar
10-03-23, 08:26 AM
Crash, boom, bang ... The Mentions of a "Soft Landing" have Surged to Their Highest Levels.
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Buddahaid
10-03-23, 11:14 AM
Kelly speaks out on Trumps disrespect of our veterans.
https://youtu.be/NfVQcMM1fK4?si=G5xhVRuGwZ1wcEup
Rockstar
10-03-23, 11:29 AM
I’m a 24 year veteran and I never felt disrespected. What does concern me though is when Generals are no longer a-political. If they want to go down the road of partisan politics then they must relinquish their military titles, benefits, and become a fullfledged whining party fanboy civilians. Otherwise they keep their mouth shut in public and do what the commander in chief orders them to do. Last thing we need is for our military to become divided along party lines with generals guiding party ideologies.
You know what got me to join? In high school the U.S. Army was proactive, helicopter and tank rides, open house, hell I even learned how to sight in a mortar and shoot automatic weapons. Where I felt disrespected is when these Generals instead of promoting patriotism, country, showing what the military does for a living. Instead, fell head over heels for the woke movement thinking that would help with recruiting when all it did was create another bud-light moment.
HUD says homeless veterans in California represent 31% of the national homeless veteran population. Why don’t you ask them to see what makes them feel disrespected?
Jimbuna
10-03-23, 12:55 PM
Donald Trump shares bizarre court sketch of him sitting next to Jesus Christ
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/donald-trump-shares-bizarre-court-30995392
Jimbuna
10-03-23, 01:23 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if this guy believes he is bigger and more important than the country he resides in.
Donald Trump’s campaign is calling on the Republican National Committee to cancel all remaining presidential primary debates, saying the party must “refocus its manpower” on defeating Joe Biden next year.
In a statement late on Monday, senior Trump advisers also repeated debunked falsehoods about election fraud, claiming without evidence that Democrats are working to steal the 2024 election.
He has maintained that the 2020 election was stolen, despite multiple legal cases, investigations and his own attorney general finding no fraud.
In their statement, senior campaign advisers Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita say the November debate in Miami and all future debates should be cancelled.
“Anything less, along with other reasons not to cancel, are an admission to the grassroots that their concerns about voter integrity are not taken seriously and national Republicans are more concerned about helping Joe Biden than ensuring a safe and secure election,” they said.
The former president and front-runner for the Republican nomination has skipped the first two debates — with several rivals attacking him for not attending — and said he would not participate in the future.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-demands-republicans-cancel-remaining-presidential-primary-debates/ar-AA1hDABS?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9cad65f5b15346fab7cd4ea805d4fa70&ei=18
Rockstar
10-03-23, 01:49 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if this guy believes he is bigger and more important than the country he resides in.
I’ll ask again, what has he said that’s any different than any U.S. politician has said?
Also do I think he thinks he believes he’s bigger than your politicians when they thought massacre 26 unarmed civilians in 1972 or those who no sooner demanded Germany pay for their holocaust your most holy Lord Kitchener’s starts his own building concentration camps in Africa? Or those current English politicians today that say the don’t anything to anyone?
Jimbuna
10-03-23, 01:54 PM
Hit a raw nerve eh?
Rockstar
10-03-23, 01:56 PM
Nope not one bit, honest questions. In case people forget I have stated quite clearly I wouldn’t touch Trump with a 10 foot barge pole.
Jimbuna
10-03-23, 01:58 PM
Well you'll be hard pressed to get definitive honest responses by going back in time to the years of wrongdoing.
I’ll ask again, what has he said that’s any different than any U.S. politician has said?
I guess it is not what he has said, but how he have said it.
Markus
Jeff-Groves
10-03-23, 02:15 PM
Hell. The whole Government is a well run Criminal Organization!
They make the Mafia look like side show clowns.
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