View Full Version : US Politics Thread 2021-24
les green01
12-10-24, 04:35 PM
Look like Jeff got the last word in lmao
Jeff-Groves
12-10-24, 05:09 PM
Look like Jeff got the last word in lmao
OR Maybe I'm trying to De-throne the Self Proclaimed King!
:har:
Otto Harkaman
12-12-24, 10:27 AM
https://a57.foxnews.com/prod-hp.foxnews.com/images/2024/12/600/342/e0f89c9503cf045ff9e2beeeffe4c8c9.gif
https://time.com/ayit/images/7200212/cover.png
AVGWarhawk
12-12-24, 11:02 AM
https://time.com/ayit/images/7200212/cover.png
Well, this will ruffle a few feathers.
Commander Wallace
12-12-24, 11:10 AM
^ No. It will cause some Liberal Democrats to convulse uncontrollably. :yep: :haha:
Well, this will ruffle a few feathers.
Not really such a big deal when you consider Josef Stalin (1939, 1942), Adolph Hitler (1938), Ayatollah Khomeini (1979), and Vladimir Putin (2007), among other dubious selections have made it to Time's Peron of the Year covers (in fact, some of the covers have been for multiple persons or for what would today be termed 'memes'); being on the cover does not mean the 'honorees' are being noted for being notable in a positive sense, but, rather, they made some kind of significant impact, good or bad on that particular year's news cycle(s)...
<O>
Are you saying that the Biden/Harris administration was not unpopular? Are you saying that the voters didn't vote against the continuation of that administration? Seems to me that they voted that way for that exact reason.
...Hmmm...
Would you have worded that post in this manner in 2020?...
Are you saying that the Trump/Pence administration was not unpopular? Are you saying that the voters didn't vote against the continuation of that administration? Seems to me that they voted that way for that exact reason.
Trump got fired by the US voters in 2020 and he barely managed to eke out a win over a seriously wounded candidate from a seriously wounded party in 2024; given what he was up against, he really should have done much better (and the GOP also should have done much better 'down ballot') than he did; he didn't even get a majority of the vote; more than 50% of the voters voted for someone other than Trump, all in all not at all a ringing 'mandate'...
<O>
^ No. It will cause some Liberal Democrats to convulse uncontrollably. :yep: :haha:
:har::har:
Ontario Premier threatens to halt electricity exports to U.S. if Trump imposes new tariffs (https://english.nv.ua/nation/ontario-premier-threatens-to-halt-electricity-exports-to-u-s-if-trump-imposes-new-tariffs-50473666.html)Ontario Premier Doug Ford said he would stop supplying electricity to the U.S. if elected President Donald Trump imposes broad tariffs on Canadian goods, the AP reported on Dec. 11.We will make our list, and I’m sure other provinces will do the same. But we will act with full force, depending on how far this goes. We are prepared to stop their power supply,” Ford said after a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and other provincial leaders. Approximately 60% of U.S. oil imports come from Canada, and 85% of imported electricity also comes from Canada.
It was unclear whether Ford was referring to all Canadian provinces halting energy exports to the U.S. or just his own province. However, Ford’s spokesperson, Grace Lee, said the issue was raised in a conversation with Trudeau. “Premier Ford can only speak on behalf of Ontario, but this is an area of provincial jurisdiction that we will certainly consider,” Lee said. Lee also noted that in 2023, Ontario supplied electricity to 1.5 million U.S. households and is a major exporter to Michigan, Minnesota, and New York. Canada is also the largest foreign supplier of steel, aluminum, and uranium to the U.S., and it possesses 34 critical minerals and metals that the Pentagon actively seeks and invests in.You lot really want to anger Canucks think this a bigly smart plan?
Since 2000, all president-elects’ end up on the cover. We keep forgetting that Time Person of the Year is not “the good guy of the year” it’s “the most important one.” Trump is for sure important.
u crank
12-12-24, 07:18 PM
You lot really want to anger Canucks think this a bigly smart plan?
Pretty sure that the US isn't getting free electricity from Canada. It would be a big revenue loss. Ford is not known for his smarts.
Pretty sure that the US isn't getting free electricity from Canada. It would be a big revenue loss. Ford is not known for his smarts.Problem with trade wars is you get hit back it is not that Canada bends over if Trump does a 25% tariff expect a payback and trade wars has had never a winner. America is not the only market, so most countries will move to other markets, America is not unique.
u crank
12-12-24, 07:42 PM
Problem with trade wars is you get hit back it is not that Canada bends over if Trump does a 25% tariff expect a payback and trade wars has had never a winner. America is not the only market, so most countries will move to other markets, America is not unique.
America is Canada's number one trading partner. Two thirds of our trade is with the US. Canada's population is 41 million. The US population is 340 million. Who do you think would win a trade war?
^Mainly US imports and exports themselves are hit by import tariffs in the wake of a trade war. The Netherlands Bureau for Economic Policy Analysis (CPB) figures that the US will export 20% less. Dutch imports and exports will fall by only about 1%. The decline in some manufacturing industries is larger. Dutch service providers actually benefit from higher US import tariffs on goods.
This happened last time. The trade war between the United States and China does not have only losers. Asian and South American countries in particular benefit from the superpowers raising import tariffs back and forth. There are also opportunities for European companies. US pig farmers are going down the drain for hundreds of millions thanks to the trade war and have to move to other countries. Soy farmers in the US are also left with mountains of often rotting away crops. In China, meanwhile, consumer goods producers are hit especially hard.
Yet there are also benefits from the conflict. More than a year after the US introduced the first duties, Japanese investment bank Nomura concludes that the US and China have started importing fewer goods from each other and are now buying certain products from other countries. That extra trade is significantly jacking up the economy in some countries. In particular, the US is getting less computer electronics, electrical appliances and furniture from China. Conversely, the Chinese mainly import less soybeans, aircraft, grains and cotton from the US, Nomura concludes. Those products are now being sourced elsewhere, and the big winner is Vietnam. That country's gross domestic product (GDP) is up 7.9 per cent this year due to new trade with the US in particular, according to a Nomura estimate.
Those products are now being sourced elsewhere, and the big winner is Vietnam. That country's gross domestic product (GDP) is up 7.9 per cent this year due to new trade with the US in particular, according to a Nomura estimate. Americans are buying electrical equipment there for phones and other electronics that were otherwise bought in China. Taiwan and South Korea are also benefiting from additional trade with the US in that area. Meanwhile, Malaysia sells semiconductors and South Korea and Mexico export more motor vehicle parts to the US. In particular, China is buying much more soya from Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Canada. Gold the Chinese get more from Hong Kong, Singapore and South Africa, and natural gas comes more often from Malaysia and Australia.
European countries are also benefiting. France and Germany are supplying more planes and aircraft parts to China thanks to the trade war, Nomura said. ‘The benefit for European countries is greatest in France (0.3 per cent), but small overall,’ the economists write. There are opportunities for European companies to emerge as surprise winners in the trade dispute, David Owen, chief economist Europe at US investment bank Jefferies, told Bloomberg in May. If US levies make importing products from China less competitive, it is an opportunity for European companies to benefit, According to Owen, trade wars create ‘winners among losers’. This often seems to be forgotten and lost among all the negativity surrounding the issue, Owen said. Still, Nomura economists stress that there will mostly be losers from the trade war.
America is Canada's number one trading partner. Two thirds of our trade is with the US. Canada's population is 41 million. The US population is 340 million. Who do you think would win a trade war?According to analysts, Canadian oil accounts for 20% of US energy supply. Higher tariffs could increase US petrol prices by up to 70 cents per gallon. This!! You at the petrol station will be the biggest loser! For US consumers, import duties mean higher prices for everyday goods! MAGA except for its citizen duh. You all can think you are so great but I and the rest of Europe have to work lesser are protected by health insurance, guaranteed pension and have shyte load more holiday days for same or higher living standard. And yes we can biaach about that also, but as decadent rich bitches we biaach about everything.
u crank
12-12-24, 08:17 PM
According to analysts, Canadian oil accounts for 20% of US energy supply. Higher tariffs could increase US petrol prices by up to 70 cents per gallon. This!! You at the petrol station will be the biggest loser! For US consumers, import duties mean higher prices for everyday goods! MAGA except for its citizen duh.
Be realistic. We have the oil. And refineries. Not much of an argument. Anyway it is all tuff talk from both sides. Trump already has Trudeau worried. He has agreed to increase border security. In the end we will remain good friends.
^Dream on good luck at the gas station, you do not import 20% without a reason, those are long-running contracts. "Trump already has Trudeau worried." It Is Trudeau's poker face, he is playing the game. You do not even know who is playing you, but be sure it has an orange glow. Your saviour has already admitted he can't bring down grocery prices. Why do some wage slaves defend billionaires so much?
So inevitable, another lie
Another reason to justify tearing it down
Honesty, such a novelty
So we king ourselves with an orange crown
Casualty of a daydream nation
Close acquaintance, no relation
Search and destroy
Dignity we left laying along the way
To everyone's dismay
Predictable cliché
So caught up in the process of weeding out
The chopping block starving for a neck
Pointing fingers and stabbing backs
Never question conformity
The big takeover underway
Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
u crank
12-13-24, 03:48 AM
^Dream on good luck at the gas station, you do not import 20% without a reason, those are long-running contracts. "Trump already has Trudeau worried." It Is Trudeau's poker face, he is playing the game. You do not even know who is playing you, but be sure it has an orange glow. Your saviour has already admitted he can't bring down grocery prices. Why do some wage slaves defend billionaires so much?
Why do you say he is my savior? I am not an American. And Justin Trudeau is on his way out the door. He won't win another election. And was that Trudeau's poker face when he went down to Florida to kiss the ring?
les green01
12-13-24, 11:37 AM
Looking around here farms and farmers are doing normal if the pig farmers around here survive during the COVID period when they couldn't find a butcher shop open they was selling them for 50 dollars a head to people they can survive anything being a country boy I know how to survive now I voted for trump this country couldn't last another 4 years what we had as far as I'm concerned this is the best country in the world that even counting most Dems well except the commies and Marx crapheads
Jimbuna
12-13-24, 01:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akgRO7u6IU4
Otto Harkaman
12-14-24, 02:04 AM
The Truth is Out There, Trust no One
The bogus Horowitz report, Jan 6 wasn't a riot it was an FBI regime change operation.
:|\\
COINTELPRO (1956-1971): A covert program targeting civil rights leaders, political activists, and dissenters. Tactics included surveillance, infiltration, and disruption.
https://youtu.be/QmElb9jMZyU?si=S7prTiCGqbkRJhcS
"The FBI is the National Political Police NPP"
u crank
12-14-24, 04:12 AM
...Hmmm...
Would you have worded that post in this manner in 2020?...
What I said was true. Yes or no?
You got what you wanted, but a lot of you continue to harass, bully, belittle, stalk, and even threaten the people who didn't vote for Trump. It's disgusting. You weren’t unhappy because Trump wasn’t president, you're just unhappy in general. Sore losers, sore winners. You've got a trifecta and the popular vote. You're the swamp now. Everything that happens now is on your shoulders. Your lot did not vote to win the election for the betterment of America, you just wanted a pass to say Frell You to everyone.
Oh, Damn i guess,There were many people who voted for Trump.And you know what ! I bet your parents voted for Trump. Drago, your words, A lot of you continue to harass, bully, belittle, stalk, and even threaten the people who didn't vote for Trump. It's disgusting.
Well Drago,Why is Democracy so disgusting ? please tell us and the world, why you can't accept that Donald Trump. Please tell us, Are you a Hater and now will. harass, bully, belittle, stalk, and even threaten the people. And maybe kill them because, Of who they voted for ? I think as the clock goes round and round, you and your parents need a visit from the local rainbow club. And somewhere in the warmth, You can find the Eutopia, your looking for! But you will have to send me a written letter.Cause there will be no Electricity in your world. YI PI KI YAY.
Buddahaid
12-14-24, 07:47 PM
And now Trump is telling his followers that prices will go up, but only temporarily, completely counter to his political stumping since forever. Enjoy!
Otto Harkaman
12-14-24, 08:19 PM
Investigators are closing in on reason for swam of drones over New Jersey
https://a57.foxnews.com/prod-hp.foxnews.com/images/2024/12/331/186/c348a59ed7c4bd89eadba3687884d374.jpg
Buddahaid
12-14-24, 08:50 PM
^^
LOL!
And now Trump is telling his followers that prices will go up, but only temporarily, completely counter to his political stumping since forever. Enjoy![sarcasmhaton]If you have to pay more for everything to get rid of immigration, then higher prices are a good thing. At lest, he's going to make polio great again, that is something to vote for as the second cuming.[sarcasmhatoff]
Oh, Damn i guess,There were many people who voted for Trump.And you know what ! I bet your parents voted for Trump. Drago, your words, A lot of you continue to harass, bully, belittle, stalk, and even threaten the people who didn't vote for Trump. It's disgusting.
Well Drago,Why is Democracy so disgusting ? please tell us and the world, why you can't accept that Donald Trump. Please tell us, Are you a Hater and now will. harass, bully, belittle, stalk, and even threaten the people. And maybe kill them because, Of who they voted for ? I think as the clock goes round and round, you and your parents need a visit from the local rainbow club. And somewhere in the warmth, You can find the Eutopia, your looking for! But you will have to send me a written letter.Cause there will be no Electricity in your world. YI PI KI YAY.https://i.ibb.co/ZMHWMr4/whatday.gif (https://imgbb.com/)
The U.S. imports 80% of softwood lumber from Canada. Congratulations, the cost of building on January 20, 2025 will be up by 25%. :up: The last time Trump put tariffs on Canadian softwood, plywood went up 200% per sheet. Canada is the largest foreign supplier of energy to the U.S. Tariffs on oil, natural gas, or electricity means increase costs for U.S. consumers and businesses, especially during the Winter months. Canada exports 3.2 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 1.4 billion barrels of oil to the US. 2018 tariff on China, China retaliated with a tariff, this was about grain/soybeans. China went to Canada for grain and South Africa for soybeans, devastating US farmers and cost the US 10s of billions in loses.
Buddahaid
12-15-24, 12:06 AM
Isolationism rules, or not. I think not is the most likely outcome, but we will see in the next year. Enjoy.
Otto Harkaman
12-15-24, 01:22 PM
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/12/918/516/cartoon121524-1.jpg
AVGWarhawk
12-16-24, 09:10 AM
The U.S. imports 80% of softwood lumber from Canada. Congratulations, the cost of building on January 20, 2025 will be up by 25%. :up: The last time Trump put tariffs on Canadian softwood, plywood went up 200% per sheet. Canada is the largest foreign supplier of energy to the U.S. Tariffs on oil, natural gas, or electricity means increase costs for U.S. consumers and businesses, especially during the Winter months. Canada exports 3.2 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 1.4 billion barrels of oil to the US. 2018 tariff on China, China retaliated with a tariff, this was about grain/soybeans. China went to Canada for grain and South Africa for soybeans, devastating US farmers and cost the US 10s of billions in loses.
Are you sure it was the tariff during Trumps first term? The price of building materials for homes skyrocketed with COVID.
Are you sure it was the tariff during Trumps first term? The price of building materials for homes skyrocketed with COVID.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/us/politics/lumber-tariff-canada-trump.html
About tariffs, that money is paid by Americans. It is American importers who pay the tariffs, not the exporters you target, and many of those American importers pass along the costs to U.S. consumers.
[/QUOTE]
What I said was true. Yes or no?
Ah, that old, hoary courtroom ploy: "Do you still beat your wife? Answer yes or no!"... :haha:
Neither yes nor no, just a qualified maybe. :03: My initial point in my response to you post was to show how the rationale for the ousting of Biden suffices just as well for the ousting of Trump after his failed first term; neither is a bell ringer for reelection and neither is better than the other; it is interesting how the GOP and the MAGAts seem to be stating that the failure and resounding repudiation by the voters of Trump in 2020 in any way makes him rather more qualified for second go-round at the White House; it is akin to a corporation ousting a failed and flawed CEO, having his replacement leave because of mainly cognitive issues, and then replacing the replacement with the original flawed, ousted sad sack; it causes wonder at the substance and nature of the actual rationale used to reach such a conclusion...
I still stand by my original response...
...Hmmm...
Would you have worded that post in this manner in 2020?...
Trump got fired by the US voters in 2020 and he barely managed to eke out a win over a seriously wounded candidate from a seriously wounded party in 2024; given what he was up against, he really should have done much better (and the GOP also should have done much better 'down ballot') than he did; he didn't even get a majority of the vote; more than 50% of the voters voted for someone other than Trump, all in all not at all a ringing 'mandate'...
<O>
<O>
Since I am an Independent voter, I am amused by the reactions of the two main parties after the 2024 Elections; the Far Left DEMs are clutching their pearls over what the big bad Orange Meany will do, and the GOP and the Far Right MAGAts are strutting around acting like they've won a really big victory while frantically trying to convince those who haven't drunk the MAGA Kool-Aid (and maybe themselves) that things aren't really all that bad...
then there is this : "What's Past is Prologue..."...
We already know what Trump has done when he had the wheel for four years previously and the mess he mad of it all then and how the voters turned on him and dumped his sorry ass; there is no reason to believe Trump will be any different this time around; and the legislative situation is the same as when Trump and the GOP first took office in 2017: they will have the Oval Office, the Senate, and the House under their control; they had an ideal opportunity to accomplish a lot of their agenda(s) but all they got through was an extravagant and expensive tax cut for the uber-rich and nothing more in the first two years; the voters then revolted and and handed back the House to the DEMs in the 2018 mid-terms effectively hamstringing Trump and the GOP/MAGA in any further efforts; the loss of the House was the direct result of Trump and the GOP getting too caught up in petty vindictiveness and intraparty squabbling and ignoring the needs of the voters...
And, within the House, the GOP failed to control its own members and let the various factions of MAGA to eat up time and effort better used to actually address vital issues and instead displaying an incompetence and disarray that was astonishing, from being unable to cogently and coherently creating and managing any meaningful legislation to being laughingly incapable of even establishing a House Speaker for prolonged periods of time, resulting in legislative paralysis; not one of the finer moments and/or appearances of the GOP...
So, what do we have now? Trump is in the Oval Office, busily plotting how to get even with those he believes slighted him by being "mean" to him, appointing all manner of sycophants and fellow billionaires/multi-millionaire/ crackpots to 'run' his administration, all of which does little to really address the needs of the voters and citizens and with really little to offer in terms of solid programs or ideas (remember, Trump is the person, who when pressed to state his health care reform plan to replace the ACA, responded by saying he had "the concept of a plan"); so, essentially, we have 2017 Trump once again...
The pearl clutching DEMs should really relax; "what's past is prologue" and we've already seen this movie play out; Trump will bluster and blunder his way through the first couple of years, the House will do its implosion dance with the various MAGA factions sniping at each other and nothing getting done, and, in 2026, at the Midterm Elections, when the Trumptanic II runs aground (again) the voters will revolt and give back the house the the DEMs and the hopes and plans of Trump, the MAGAts, and the GOP will be stalled again; and, given that by the time the 2026 Midterms roll around, voters will have reaped the "benefits" of Trump/GOP economics in the form of higher prices, shrinking income, job losses, and governmental dysfunction, the election results may be more damaging than before; DEMs, the GOP is mapping its own failure and doing what has been cited as the definition of insanity: repeating a failed endeavor the same way expecting a different result...
<O>
les green01
12-17-24, 09:46 PM
Sits back put my feet up grab the popcorn this topic better than new movies out of Hollywood both full of crap but this one is free
https://i.ibb.co/ZMHWMr4/whatday.gif (https://imgbb.com/)
Thanks,I will accept that,It's not often people get to see me in my older age. :up:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/us/politics/lumber-tariff-canada-trump.html
About tariffs, that money is paid by Americans. It is American importers who pay the tariffs, not the exporters you target, and many of those American importers pass along the costs to U.S. consumers.
Exactly,Importers,And i would guess,that exporters and importers will have to cut their, CEO and Upper level Management.And the Middle level Management yearly cost back down and give it to to the people who do the work. Most all of them are family hires any way,..Without merit and that's a good thing, right ? Or are you for Nepotism? That now encompasses our entire American Democracy.
To the point that,Our Nepotism would infect all the other countries,families of wealth and power, politicians and their families would not hesitate to create,The New World Order. Well, I don't have college education, But i do have Eyes and Ears, and common sense, and something else that seems to be lacking in our American version of Democracy.Morals,honesty,integrity,respect,respons ibility,and kindness. I reckon there will be ?'s
u crank
12-18-24, 04:40 AM
The pearl clutching DEMs should really relax; "what's past is prologue" and we've already seen this movie play out; Trump will bluster and blunder his way through the first couple of years, the House will do its implosion dance with the various MAGA factions sniping at each other and nothing getting done, and, in 2026, at the Midterm Elections, when the Trumptanic II runs aground (again) the voters will revolt and give back the house the the DEMs and the hopes and plans of Trump, the MAGAts, and the GOP will be stalled again; and, given that by the time the 2026 Midterms roll around, voters will have reaped the "benefits" of Trump/GOP economics in the form of higher prices, shrinking income, job losses, and governmental dysfunction, the election results may be more damaging than before; DEMs, the GOP is mapping its own failure and doing what has been cited as the definition of insanity: repeating a failed endeavor the same way expecting a different result...
You sound bitter. I know it is shocking that the guy is heading back to the White House but don't despair, it's only four years. It will give you a chance to learn some new buzzwords. MAGAts, Trumptanic II, MAGA Kool-Aid? Come on now, you can do better than that. What will actually happen is not certain but one thing is. We know who will be President come January. Maybe somebody will gin up another Russia collusion hoax to keep you interested like the last time. I agree with les green01. It will be entertaining. I hope you enjoy it.
Yes you could always collect the whole set of trump cards!! :yep:
Otto Harkaman
12-18-24, 12:40 PM
https://youtu.be/FTtvRBaP6RQ?si=q4zLNH8C5w03zD9w
AVGWarhawk
12-19-24, 08:07 AM
Meanwhile the Biden administration is busy selling border all materials purchased during Trump's first administration. We all know full well Trump will immediately begin a continuance of wall at the border. Not only does this slow wall building, the material that needs to be purchased will cost much more than it did originally. This is our government folks. Just idiots.
Buddahaid
12-19-24, 12:30 PM
Looks like the Republicans are infighting so hard they will shut the government down, and although they still have a majority in the house, they will try to spin this as the fault of the Democrats.
You elected Trump and got Musk instead. Enjoy.
AVGWarhawk
12-19-24, 12:35 PM
Looks like the Republicans are infighting so hard they will shut the government down, and although they still have a majority in the house, they will try to spin this as the fault of the Democrats.
You elected Trump and got Musk instead. Enjoy.
It is another **** bill full of pork from both sides. And no, many republicans are fighting for their pork pet projects. Government shutdown. A statement that was born and bred during Obama. A statement that needs to go away. The government does not shut down. Life goes on. Are some federal employees affected? In the short term yes. Other than that, the government does anything but shut down.
If a spending bill is crap and loaded with pork for pet projects then rewrite the bill. Even the common Joe can tell you that. Musk is not needed.
Buddahaid
12-19-24, 01:18 PM
It is another **** bill full of pork from both sides. And no, many republicans are fighting for their pork pet projects. Government shutdown. A statement that was born and bred during Obama. A statement that needs to go away. The government does not shut down. Life goes on. Are some federal employees affected? In the short term yes. Other than that, the government does anything but shut down.
If a spending bill is crap and loaded with pork for pet projects then rewrite the bill. Even the common Joe can tell you that. Musk is not needed.
It's a CR that changes nothing for three months. The Republicans do not have a budget yet.
AVGWarhawk
12-19-24, 01:26 PM
It's a CR that changes nothing for three months.
The failed Biden administration needs to go. The last minute nonsense and signing a bill "So we can all go home for the holidays, fellas" is over. If the voting public wants accountability and the government reigned in there will be hard decisions coming. We see the current election results this is what the voters want. The entire country will live with a non-passage for this bill. Cut the pork. Stop the status-quo and this is how we always have done it mentality. It does not work.
Buddahaid
12-19-24, 02:32 PM
The failed Biden administration needs to go....
The Trump administration isn't even started yet and it is failing already. Trump has already gone back on his stump promises and will hurt the very people that elected him while pumping up the oligarchs.
I expect he will be a lame duck by the midterms.
AVGWarhawk
12-19-24, 02:34 PM
The Trump administration isn't even started yet and it is failing already. Trump has already gone back on his stump promises and will hurt the very people that elected him while pumping up the oligarchs.
I expect he will be a lame duck by the midterms.
I'll take it because the alternative would have been much much worse.
The Trump administration isn't even started yet and it is failing already. Trump has already gone back on his stump promises and will hurt the very people that elected him while pumping up the oligarchs.
I expect he will be a lame duck by the midterms.
You expected Trump to loose the last election. You expected him to be in jail by now. I expect that you might want to reexamine your expectations if you don't want to keep being disappointed.
The result of the election indicate for me that the American voters has sent a message: We want a change away from the Dems politics.
You could also ask yourself why did Trump win so massive ?
It must tell us something.
Markus
The result of the election indicate for me that the American voters has sent a message: We want a change away from the Dems politics.
You could also ask yourself why did Trump win so massive ?
It must tell us something.
MarkusIt's hard to claim a "mandate" when a president gets less than 50%, as Trump did in this election. In fact, Trump's popular-vote margin was the second-narrowest in the last 60 years. His 312 electoral votes and 49.7% of the popular vote are nowhere near the most in 129 years. His electoral vote tally is the highest since 2012 when former President Barack Obama won 332. And "the American voters" has not sent a message, it is a percentage of American voters, not even a majority. As LBJ pointed out, a president has limited time to do it because the shine of an election wears off fairly quickly, mandate or not.The president's mandate rarely lasted longer than six months and I hoped that we could get most of the pledges we made in our platform enacted as soon as possible.
^ I was not looking at the percentage, I was taking a look at the map who's mostly red.
It doesn't matter if Trump only get 0.1 percentage more than Biden, the Electoral goes to the winner
Markus
^ I was not looking at the percentage, I was taking a look at the map who's mostly red.
It doesn't matter if Trump only get 0.1 percentage more than Biden, the Electoral goes to the winner
MarkusRead up about American election system it is not what it seems you think to see that all red is "winner take's all" (electoral system is one where a voting bloc can win all seats in a legislature or electoral district, denying representation to any political minorities) such systems do not always elect majority preferred candidates and do not always produce winners who received the majority of votes cast in the district, and they allow parties to take a majority of seats in the chamber with just a minority of the vote.
Buddahaid
12-19-24, 06:03 PM
The result of the election indicate for me that the American voters has sent a message: We want a change away from the Dems politics.
You could also ask yourself why did Trump win so massive ?
It must tell us something.
Markus
He actually did not win massively and didn't even achieve 50% of the votes cast.
Buddahaid
12-19-24, 06:05 PM
You expected Trump to loose the last election. You expected him to be in jail by now. I expect that you might want to reexamine your expectations if you don't want to keep being disappointed.
I did. This time I think it's the Trump voters who will be disappointed.
u crank
12-19-24, 06:54 PM
I did. This time I think it's the Trump voters who will be disappointed.
Voters are always disappointed. That is why they elect different parties and different people.
Meanwhile the Biden administration is busy selling border all materials purchased during Trump's first administration. We all know full well Trump will immediately begin a continuance of wall at the border. Not only does this slow wall building, the material that needs to be purchased will cost much more than it did originally. This is our government folks. Just idiots.
That hoary claim keeps coming up again and again and hasn't a lick of truth to it; the materials in question were purchased by the contractor given the project to build the wall; as such; the contractor, who was a major contributor to the Trump campaign in the 2016 election, got a no-bid, non-competitive contract from the 1st Trump administration, basically a give away to the donor for his loyalty to Trump; not only did the contractor not have any, at all, experience in building structures like the wall, he used sub-standard materials and construction processes in the segments he did build, including one very large segment which collapsed and sank in a rainstorm; the contractor, having bitten off more than he could chew, dropped the project, while still pocketing the Trump-given taxpayer funds, and left the supplies and materials you cited to just rot and rust; the materials are little more than scrap material and are being sold off as such to at least get some small return on the Trump-inspired corrupt debacle
...oh, and by the way; Trump made a very big deal out using "All-American Made, Quality" materials for his wall; however the materials used were, as mentioned before substandard Chinese made, imported construction materials; seem that the contractor was shortchanging the US taxpayers and he's getting away with it... seemingly with Trump's blessing...
You sound bitter. I know it is shocking that the guy is heading back to the White House but don't despair, it's only four years. It will give you a chance to learn some new buzzwords. MAGAts, Trumptanic II, MAGA Kool-Aid? Come on now, you can do better than that. What will actually happen is not certain but one thing is. We know who will be President come January. Maybe somebody will gin up another Russia collusion hoax to keep you interested like the last time. I agree with les green01. It will be entertaining. I hope you enjoy it.
I am neither bitter nor in despair; n fact, I am rather much confident that the 2nd Coming of Trump will be as badly handled, if not worse that the first; I said it was amusing the Left is clutching pearls and the Far Right/MAGA/GOP is trying to strut around like they are large and in charge; the Left just has to sit back and let Trump and the GOP blow up their own selves, calmly waiting for the Midterms when the voters will most probably hand back the House to the DEMs, and that is not so far fetched; the new GOP controlled House actually has a smaller majority than it had prior to November's Election, and, prior to November, that margin was described as "razor thin"; so, what is thinner than "razor thin"...?...
The weakness of the GOP can be seen in what happened in California, where four GOP House seats were up for election in November, with three of the four seats occupied by GOP incumbents, in heavily GOP registered voter districts; two of the three incumbents were defeated, including one incumbent who had been in the House some 30 years; the GOP had 12 seats from CA going into the election and now have only 9 seats; again, what makes the situation so bad is those lost seats were in districts where the GOP candidates should have done much better, but, I guess, the voters spoke loudly and clearly...
...one can only imagine what the voters will say in 2026 when the wheels have come off the GOP campaign cart...
The DEMs have only to take control of just one of the Chambers (Senate, House) in order to put the kibosh on Trump and the MAGA's grand plans, just like in Trump's first term; hell, Trump might even accommodate the DEMs again by doing something so stupid and illegal they'll be obliged to impeach him yet again... :haha:
The reason I'm not bothered by Trump is because Trump is Trump; he is an easy target because he is so consistently predictable; getting his Cabinet picks trounced just like in the first term? Check; start backtracking from his campaign promises? Why, he's even started to do so before he's taken office, this time! Check; appointing persons with little to no experience or knowledge to high post merely because they are slavishly loyal? Check...
We all know what's going to come next; Trump will make all sorts of wild Executive Orders and demands only to be tripped up and flummoxed by those pesky little matters like the Law, Legal Precedent, and The Constitution; his little attempts at his new banana republic will be met with lawsuits, constitutional challenges, and intraparty GOP bickering, pretty much freezing, or at least, heavily slowing his roll; this should occupy the first two years of his term and result in the same stalemate as the first go-around; then the midterms will come along, and all those voters who bought into the Trump bluster of promises will look at their bank books, their grocery receipt, and, for some, their pink slips, and be not very inclined to continue to drink his brand of MAGA Kool-Aid, just like the first term, and hand the House back to the DEMs; the GOP can not afford to lose even one more seat than they have now, so this does seem to be a rather good prediction...
...oh, and about Trump's claim he will reduce food prices in his first year... well, in Trump's first term, food prices rose in each and every month of his four years in office, with a 3.8% increase being recorded in his last month in the Oval Office...
So, I'm neither bitter nor in despair; and, I think the DEMs should just sit back and watch the Trump/MAGA/GOP train wreck roll by and be there to reap the benefits; and, the GOP should look to getting rid of the wingnuts running their party and find some real, intelligent, grownups to run in 2026...
...and, yes, I will enjoy watching the ship sink beneath the waves... :03:
As I said, past is prologue...
<O>
u crank
12-19-24, 08:07 PM
the Left just has to sit back and let Trump and the GOP blow up their own selves, calmly waiting for the Midterms when the voters will most probably hand back the House to the DEMs, and that is not so far fetched;
It is a never ending cycle. That is pretty much what just happened to Biden and the Dems. It is certainly nothing new or unusual. And very predictable.
Trump:Lowering prices will be hard. Letting Elon ride me like a donkey will be easy.
It is a never ending cycle. That is pretty much what just happened to Biden and the Dems. It is certainly nothing new or unusual.
...hence, no bitterness or despair... :03:
...however, that is of little comfort to Trump and the MAGAs who are dreaming of a sort of MAGA-Reich...
<O>
...and, so, it really begins...
House rejects Trump-backed plan on government shutdown --
https://apnews.com/live/government-shutdown-congress-spending-trump-updates#00000193-e15b-d1b1-abd7-e7ffbe930000
The House rejected President-elect Donald Trump’s new plan Thursday to fund federal operations and suspend the debt ceiling a day before a government shutdown, as Democrats refused to accommodate his sudden demands and the quick fix cobbled together by Republican leaders.
In a hastily convened evening vote punctuated by angry outbursts over the self-made crisis, the lawmakers failed to reach the two-thirds threshold needed for passage — but House Speaker Mike Johnson appeared determined to try again before Friday’s midnight deadline.
“We’re going to do the right thing here,” Johnson said ahead of the vote. But he didn’t even get a majority, with the bill failing 174-235.
The outcome proved a massive setback for Trump and his billionaire ally, Elon Musk, who rampaged against Johnson’s bipartisan compromise, which Republicans and Democrats had reached earlier to prevent a Christmastime government shutdown.
So, what do you think Mike Johnson's half-life now is...?...
<O>
Marjorie Taylor Greene, Rand Paul back Elon Musk as House speaker (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-paul-suggests-replacing-mike-johnson-with-elon-musk-as-speaker-of-the-house):har:
...as the DEMs are probably rubbing their hands in glee... :har:
<O>
u crank
12-19-24, 08:50 PM
...however, that is of little comfort to Trump and the MAGAs who are dreaming of a sort of MAGA-Reich...
Oh Jebus. Ok I'll leave it to you. Reynolds aluminum foil is the best. Highly recommended by the delusional. Take care.
:salute:
Oh Jebus. Ok I'll leave it to you. Reynolds aluminum foil is the best. Highly recommended by the delusional. Take care.
:salute:
Nah, no tinfoil for me...
...you, on the other hand, maybe should learn to lighten up... :03:
<O>
Elon Musk says Democrats should take the blame for the new Republican bill failing, but Republicans control the House. Mike Johnson tries to blame Democrats for 38 Republicans voting against the bill. Is there someone slowly and patiently explaining to Musk that he can't fire 75% of the House like it's Twitter? :D
Buddahaid
12-19-24, 11:29 PM
The Democrats are just sitting back now and letting the GOP eat itself to death, after all, the GOP has a House majority, a Senate majority, the Presidency, and a SCOTUS that is sympathetic. There is no D in that equation to failure. Enjoy.
Otto Harkaman
12-20-24, 12:21 AM
Everything is fine, gamesmanship to the end :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
12-20-24, 07:06 AM
The Democrats are just sitting back now and letting the GOP eat itself to death, after all, the GOP has a House majority, a Senate majority, the Presidency, and a SCOTUS that is sympathetic. There is no D in that equation to failure. Enjoy.
Imagine that, the slipping it to the taxpayers days before Christmas is over. The idea that stuffing a bill with pork is no longer permitted. This is something new to those who want their pet projects funded so they can win their next election. It's now under the scope. The days of 1500 page bills that the likes of drunken Pelosi never reads is over. It's time for a hard line. Kicking the can down the road is no longer an option. Buckle up. There is more to come.
AVGWarhawk
12-20-24, 07:09 AM
Elon Musk says Democrats should take the blame for the new Republican bill failing, but Republicans control the House. Mike Johnson tries to blame Democrats for 38 Republicans voting against the bill. Is there someone slowly and patiently explaining to Musk that he can't fire 75% of the House like it's Twitter? :D
I'm glad it failed. I'm glad there is a guy with no real skin in the game. A guy not looking for a vote. It's time to change the way DC does business. How business is conducted now is not working. The checkbook is in the red and getting redder. BTW, the 38 republicans voted against it because their pork was removed from the bill. Oh well, welcome to the new way it is done.
Buddahaid
12-20-24, 10:49 AM
I'm glad it failed. I'm glad there is a guy with no real skin in the game. A guy not looking for a vote. It's time to change the way DC does business. How business is conducted now is not working. The checkbook is in the red and getting redder.
The government is not a business and shouldn't be run like one. Businesses get rich off of getting as much as possible for giving as little as possible, for a government that means high taxes for low services as much as possible.
AVGWarhawk
12-20-24, 10:54 AM
The government is not a business and shouldn't be run like one. Businesses get rich off of getting as much as possible for giving as little as possible, for a government that means high taxes for low services as much as possible.
The government is very much like a business. They do tax at a high rate and offer the bare minimum. MD is 2.8 billion in the hole. Guess what is coming? Higher taxes and minimal return.
The government is not a business and shouldn't be run like one. Businesses get rich off of getting as much as possible for giving as little as possible, for a government that means high taxes for low services as much as possible.
When anyone says that government should be run like a business they mean with financial accountability and balanced budgets obviously. Not some commie vision of 19th century workhouses.
Skybird
12-20-24, 11:48 AM
Elon Musk's role in all this started shady, and can get just darker.
AVGWarhawk
12-20-24, 12:34 PM
Elon Musk's role in all this started shady, and can get just darker.
Anyone in govt is shady and getting darker.
u crank
12-20-24, 01:02 PM
Nah, no tinfoil for me...
...you, on the other hand, maybe should learn to lighten up... :03:
Oh I lighten up quite often. It's been legal in this country for years. And I never said you were bitter. I said you sound bitter. Slight difference. Anyway I am relieved to hear you are not. After all it is only politics and guys our age have other worries. But I will stick with my original position. The reason that Donald Trump will be the next President and the GOP will control Congress is not because they are smarter or have better ideas. It is because the electorate threw the bums in power out. And I think that result should be respected. You know what they say, "the simplest explanation is usually the best one" The Democrats need to make some major changes at the top. Pelosi, Schumer and especially Obama should be told by Democrats to sit down and shut up. They were the architects of this election defeat. What a legacy.
Anyone in govt is shady and getting darker.Elon is a special shade in the crayon box, good luck with muskapartheid.
AVGWarhawk
12-20-24, 02:29 PM
Elon is a special shade in the crayon box, good luck with muskapartheid.
I'm not worried about Musk. But many in DC are as they are called out on the crap.
Voices has been raised here in Denmark-on the topic of how many member of the Danish Parliament-They say 99 would be more than enough from todays 179.
I don't know if it's possible with all our parties, but I think it would be possible in US with only two parties.
Meaning decrease how many politicians there is in Congress and Senate.
So if Musk can make the Congress and the Senate more effective by cutting away some politician-Then I see it as a good thing.
This is what I think-Not meaning it is the correct to do so.
Markus
Ostfriese
12-20-24, 04:29 PM
Denmark has about six million inhabitants. The USA have about 330 million inhabitants, 55 times as many.
The US House of representatives has 435 members. In terms of reps per population Denmark's parliament would have to be reduced to eight (8) members to achieve roughly the same ratio.
And no, Musk is not going to do something like that. If he actually does anything useful (which I doubt, he will only make more promises he never fulfils), he will only cut spending that doesn't end in his pocket.
It's more likely that he will just do more sales pitches, making well-sounding promisses which will evaporate upon first contact with reality, like the hundreds of promises he has made before.
Elon will cut spending so that he can take that loot in tax exemptions, none of the money from the cut will end up in the hands of normal hardworking Americans. Make billionaire welfare great again?
Denmark has about six million inhabitants. The USA have about 330 million inhabitants, 55 times as many.
The US House of representatives has 435 members. In terms of reps per population Denmark's parliament would have to be reduced to eight (8) members to achieve roughly the same ratio.
It's worth mentioning that Congress critters used to have much smaller districts, I seem to recall that originally they were just about 5 or 10k in population each. They had to cap the number once it got to 435 because with so many members running around bloviating all at once it had started to become rather unwieldy. The solution was to freeze the number at 435 and increase the size of the districts. Now each district has over 700k people and that number fluctuates.
Ostfriese
12-20-24, 05:11 PM
It's worth mentioning that Congress critters used to have much smaller districts, I seem to recall that originally they were just about 5 or 10k in population each. They had to cap the number once it got to 435 because with so many members running around bloviating all at once it had started to become rather unwieldy. The solution was to freeze the number at 435 and increase the size of the districts. Now each district has over 700k people and that number fluctuates.
Which is quite a high ratio. For cpmparison: The most populous nations in Europe (Italy, UK, France, Netherlands, Spain, Germany) all have round about 1 member of parliament for every 100,000 people.
Which is quite a high ratio. For cpmparison: The most populous nations in Europe (Italy, UK, France, Netherlands, Spain, Germany) all have round about 1 member of parliament for every 100,000 people.
Totally agree.
It was just a thought and Ostfriese was right in his response to my first post.
Maybe Musk will cut down on government officials and thereby save the state for some millions
What I do know is that he want to make the machinery to run more smoothly effective.
Markus
Buddahaid
12-20-24, 11:24 PM
Looks like Trump and Musk caved and the government is funded. Enjoy.
Ostfriese
12-20-24, 11:59 PM
Looks like Trump and Musk caved and the government is funded. Enjoy.
Let's see how well Trump, the narcissist, will take all the "President Musk" tweets.
I think it's time for the, Elected Politicians... Who have been for Decades suckling on their constituents,... To present a budget for the Entire Government's expected expenses for the coming year. No later than the second week of September in the current year. And a failure to resolve any issues between parties by the end of October And present said budget to the Public for approval by the end of November. If the budget can't be resolved. Well,damn we all have had to work thru Christmas. Haven't we ?
Skybird
12-21-24, 04:18 AM
It was just a thought and Ostfriese was right in his response to my first post.
Maybe Musk will cut down on government officials and thereby save the state for some millions
What I do know is that he want to make the machinery to run more smoothly effective.
Markus
I think its not helpful at all to just plan for saving some millions. Trillions is closer to the problem. The American debts have become unsustainable for the economy.
The Democrats are just sitting back now and letting the GOP eat itself to death, after all, the GOP has a House majority, a Senate majority, the Presidency, and a SCOTUS that is sympathetic. There is no D in that equation to failure. Enjoy.
You, Express anger and worry and a possible need for Intervention. Hey, Holy ****.For the last 16 yrs.The Democrat party has been doing it's best to Rework the World.Unfortunately,shoving your Ideology down your own voters throats hasen't worked out to good.See you forgot,Americans are by nature good and moral people.
Everyday people get up and go to work for 8-12 hrs a day just to earn the money it takes."something a activist" doesn't know!... to live and take care of their children and themselves and live in a society that lives in chaos.And if your mentors believed in all they teach you.Then why don't they.. At middle age or better turn their backs and give up their tenure and join you ?
Would it be because their Capitalist and living the good life of tenure ? That you and your parent's so graciously along with others pay for their lives of luxury. Yes even you fall somewhere in this Ideology. And i bet you live in a upper class Capitalist Socialist neighborhood. And you love the chaos as long as it doesn't touch you.
AVGWarhawk
12-21-24, 08:19 AM
Looks like Trump and Musk caved and the government is funded. Enjoy.
"The final version stripped out some provisions championed by the Democrats, who accused the Republicans of caving in to pressure from an unelected billionaire with no experience in government."
Does it really require experience in government to recognize you are screwing it to the taxpayers? Idiots.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-government-shutdown-news-bill-house-musk-live-updates-b2668197.html
Buddahaid
12-21-24, 10:52 AM
Trump’s big threat to Republicans not kissing the ring failed. He’s a lame duck at the starting gate.
He haven't taken on the coat yet and already there are people who is against him or accuse him-Let the man be the President for at least 2 years before you judge him.
He may do good things for the Americans or bad things nobody knows for sure.
Yes he have been a President before-This was then.
Markus
Buddahaid
12-21-24, 11:25 AM
Lifting the debt ceiling, which Trump called for and is a self-imposed Congressional spending limit, doesn't sound like someone who gives a crap about reducing the debt.
Trump is still only interested in himself and his rich buddies getting richer off taxpayer backs which is how he added seven trillion to the debt his first go around. He will try this again, especially with someone like Musk trying to make the rules.
Oligarchy USA!!!!
Otto Harkaman
12-21-24, 02:39 PM
^ Oh my goodness! Will you survive the next four years?
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExb2NzNXJjZDVxaTdjaWVtZnRzMDJrYjZ zazRncmNvMjhlem5xY3NveSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/3o6ZsVbs2GzgKNvVpS/giphy.gif
Otto Harkaman
12-21-24, 02:47 PM
Were undercover sources from other DOJ agencies present on Jan. 6? Grassley, Johnson demand answers
DOJ IG Horowitz said there were 26 confidential human sources in the crowd on Jan. 6, 2021
Senate Republicans are demanding answers on whether confidential human sources from Justice Department agencies beyond the FBI were used on Jan. 6, 2021, while also questioning whether Inspector General Michael Horowitz thoroughly reviewed classified and unclassified communications between handlers and their sources, warning that without that review, there may be a "major blind spot" in his findings.
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/12/720/405/jan-6.jpg
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/were-undercover-sources-from-other-doj-agencies-present-jan-6-grassley-johnson-demand-answers
It was a flawed FBI deep state coup :|\\
I think its not helpful at all to just plan for saving some millions. Trillions is closer to the problem. The American debts have become unsustainable for the economy.They said that decades ago, but the US economy is still no.1. States can have debts as high into heaven when the banks guarantee nothing will change and the economy will grow. The US has the labour force, resources, and ability to capital investment, the US is the boss of the global game. Anybody really thinks the house can fail and not rig the game he made and controls! Economics does not count for the house.
em2nought
12-22-24, 02:13 PM
I don't have a terrible problem with some debt as long as you're spending it on something of benefit. Seems like they aren't spending very much money on anything that benefits us to me, and instead they're spending vast sums on things that don't benefit us at all.
How many times has the military changed uniforms in the last twenty years? I bet there are warehouses we pay for full of woodland camo BDUs or WW2 USN dungarees still.
Ike building the interstate system was good spending for instance.
A pay raise for Congress right now is a huge insult to every tax paying citizen.
Can be insulting I can dig that but telling the "people" the richer rich biaacth will make it efficient my ass that I call a mother of insults. :D
Jeff-Groves
12-22-24, 02:39 PM
A pay raise for Congress right now is a huge insult to every tax paying citizen.
No. That would be a BIG "FU" to us tax paying serfs.
:nope:
Looks like Trump's dream on having the island Greenland is still active, As our politician says we haven't change from last time position. Greenland is not for sale.
Markus
Lifting the debt ceiling, which Trump called for and is a self-imposed Congressional spending limit, doesn't sound like someone who gives a crap about reducing the debt.
Trump is still only interested in himself and his rich buddies getting richer off taxpayer backs which is how he added seven trillion to the debt his first go around. He will try this again, especially with someone like Musk trying to make the rules.
Oligarchy USA!!!!
When was the last time Congress ? Republican or Democrat, wanted to reduce spending. Hello ? If i want to get rich,I really need a politician in the family.I would say. that the politicians and families and the nepotism. From the top to the bottom throughout Washington DC. Only the Politicians and those who serve them and the highest of society live there. It is Rome in 2024. And the Oligarchy is now facing Spartacus. And your own rich are facing, Where is your money? That is the fear that Donald Trump brings. Spartacus is coming for you.
Otto Harkaman
12-23-24, 10:56 PM
Jeffrey Toobin returned to CNN as the network’s chief legal analyst on Thursday, eight months after he exposed himself during a Zoom call with colleagues at The New Yorker.
https://forums.somd.com/attachments/4j6bkg-jpg.152457/
Looks like Trump's dream on having the island Greenland is still active, As our politician says we haven't change from last time position. Greenland is not for sale.
Markus
Well ,The United States spent a lot of money, building a base there, it didn't work out. And the U.S. left it. It should be by now so deep, it's not worth looking for. History Channel. Look Greenland might be the vault of Humanity, so the movie says. Mapuc, look nobody wants to buy Greenland. According to history there is still a secret Nazi base there that hasn't found. And since it is a Iceberg the Nazi bomb could go off and flood the world.And bring around the next, drowning of humanity. Ok it's an ice sheet, That only NATO can melt.
"The final version stripped out some provisions championed by the Democrats, who accused the Republicans of caving in to pressure from an unelected billionaire with no experience in government."
Does it really require experience in government to recognize you are screwing it to the taxpayers? Idiots.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-government-shutdown-news-bill-house-musk-live-updates-b2668197.html
Well, damn there were 38 republicans, who voted. with the democrats. who are they.? Names and States on MSM, oh but know ! So you got 38 Repubs so we have to look at what committees they were on. Oh baby ? are they junior repubs ? Looking for a Democrat honey wrap. Or are they Repubs, that have gotten a Democrat honey wrap their wives don't want to see ? Ya know a young chicken is the easiest to catch. But even an older chicken will cross the street to **** a dead chicken. And politicians are like chickens and hogs. And only country folks would know this.
They said that decades ago, but the US economy is still no.1. States can have debts as high into heaven when the banks guarantee nothing will change and the economy will grow. The US has the labour force, resources, and ability to capital investment, the US is the boss of the global game. Anybody really thinks the house can fail and not rig the game he made and controls! Economics does not count for the house.
Well, Drago, Do you think.That the United States,That Joe Biden and his war in Ukraine in the near future could use all of the young Immigrant men to fight for Ukraine to? get U.S. citizenship ? And here is the biggest Question? if Joey and the Democrat's where not going to send them to Ukraine. Why the hell did they bring them into our country?
Ya see the greatest IQ;'s that come out of Harvard and 3 other brain tanks , in Washington are telling the 80 some year olds that paid for their education will not give up power. Why in the **** did you do this? Dammit you geezers. Now, We will get 4 yrs of people who are in the top of owning and running a Business and have the brains to really give people with merit a chance at change.
This world will not change with DEI, Multiculturalism and every country throwing itself into the gutter. Because of what ? Take a good look around you. If wasn't for the dead, in the last 85 years ,the world we have today, would not even, exist. So now today we have a new experiment by our Governments, Its called multiculturalism and what means is ,oh we the high and mighty will allow you to mingle and will we set back and do what the high and mighty does. But you ****s are not going anywhere we do not want you to go. And don't even think about ! well we are Romans and we have plenty of Vaseline. Now that doesn't even make sense to me, Cause my keyboard changed colors. from green to ****in purple , all the sudden and it is what it is. Merry Christmas. And don't think dog. i just went away. I will be back next year.
^ Kids, that is your brain on drugs...
...remember just say "No."...
<O>
We have to see if his prediction comes true
John Bolton, who at 17 months was Trump’s longest serving national security adviser, delivered a scathing critique of his lack of knowledge, interest in facts or coherent strategy. He described Trump’s decision-making as driven by personal relationships and “neuron flashes” rather than a deep understanding of national interests.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/24/donald-trump-john-bolton-crisis-likely
Markus
Now that Donald Trump has opened Pandora’s Box, we Dutch can rightfully demand the return to us of New Amsterdam, a.k.a. 'New York'. Trump Tower would make a very nice ‘stadhuis’ (City Hall We would want only one letter change. Tromp Tower.). New Amsterdam covers the southern part of Manhattan. In addition, we demand the return of the Dutch exclaves of Haarlem (Harlem), Breukelen (Brooklyn) and Vlissingen (Flushing). Give Harlem to its rightful owner of Haarlem. Bronx (New York, after Jonas Bronck) Broadway (Manhattan, after breede weg which means broad road) Brooklyn (New York, after Breukelen) Flushing (Queens, after Vlissingen) Gravesend (Brooklyn, after s'Gravesande) Coney Island (Konijnen eiland), Long Island ('t Lange Eylant), Nassau Street, Rensselaer, Kinderhook, Brunswick, Rotterdam, etc, etc… Deal? :D The dollar will become the "daalder" again. JanKees will be the next Mayor. And the national sauce will be Joppie Sauce, which has the same colour of the famous Coupe Trump haircut. 7/11 will sell frikandel speciaal and Kentucky Jenever will be served on the side. Nieuw Nederland also included most of New York and the Philadelphia area, as well as southern New York state. I think this would be a biggly great deal.
Now that Donald Trump has opened Pandora’s Box, we Dutch can rightfully demand the return to us of New Amsterdam, a.k.a. 'New York'. Trump Tower would make a very nice ‘stadhuis’ (City Hall We would want only one letter change. Tromp Tower.). New Amsterdam covers the southern part of Manhattan. In addition, we demand the return of the Dutch exclaves of Haarlem (Harlem), Breukelen (Brooklyn) and Vlissingen (Flushing). Give Harlem to its rightful owner of Haarlem. Bronx (New York, after Jonas Bronck) Broadway (Manhattan, after breede weg which means broad road) Brooklyn (New York, after Breukelen) Flushing (Queens, after Vlissingen) Gravesend (Brooklyn, after s'Gravesande) Coney Island (Konijnen eiland), Long Island ('t Lange Eylant), Nassau Street, Rensselaer, Kinderhook, Brunswick, Rotterdam, etc, etc… Deal? :D The dollar will become the "daalder" again. JanKees will be the next Mayor. And the national sauce will be Joppie Sauce, which has the same colour of the famous Coupe Trump haircut. 7/11 will sell frikandel speciaal and Kentucky Jenever will be served on the side. Nieuw Nederland also included most of New York and the Philadelphia area, as well as southern New York state. I think this would be a biggly great deal.
You people relinquished any legal claims to the New Netherland colony to the English in the Treaty of Breda and what does our offer to purchase Danish land have anything to do with lost Dutch possessions?
And it bites! You sure can not take a loss, a win and definitely do not get a joke.
And it bites! You sure can not take a loss, a win and definitely do not get a joke.
Aww, hurt your feelings?
Commander Wallace
12-27-24, 12:53 PM
Now that the New Year is fast approaching, I'm wondering not only what the next four years will look like. In fact, I'm wondering what the next 4 months will look like. It may be a good time to look at the most pressing Issues that need to be solved.
I think it will take a while to put pieces in place to rebuild the economy. I don't think it is in the best interests of the U.S to sell off U.S Steel. The U.S builds things, at least, we used to build things. The manufacturing base is vital not only to this country but also the Military. I think the U.S people can compete with anyone on a level playing field.
Further, I don't think the U.S has an accurate idea of how many ( Invaders ) Migrants are currently in the U.S right now. The horrible story of an Illegal Guatemala Invader setting a Woman on fire in New York last week highlights the urgency in removing the invaders and criminals as soon as possible. It shows the dangers of allowing people into a host country that does not share it's core values or even respect for life. It's time to take the " kid gloves " off. I think the U.K, Ireland and Germany are experiencing the same problems.
I don't believe that an estimated 11 million Invaders will peacefully board buses and aircraft to be be deported back to their Countries of origin. Many of the Invaders are criminals and are said to be armed. If the invaders harm or kill Law Enforcement and or ICE Officers in the process of deportation, I think the result will end up being a bloodbath and expose migration for what it truly is - an invasion. I'm certain the incoming administration is preparing for that eventuality.
The debacle with Joe Biden Illustrates clearly that he wasn't running the Country in the last four years. It begs the question, who was ?? It shows the Democrats fleeced the the country for Billions over the last four years. Stupid and Ill thought projects have allegedly stolen Billions. I don't think these projects existed at all but rather what the Democrats said the money went for. I think it went into a lot of their ( Democratic ) pockets and bank accounts and I believe a full investigation is warranted. Further, if Joe Biden isn't competent as a President, should not that invalidate the pardons that Joe clearly wasn't capable of writing ?
Let the swamp draining begin. :yep:
For those of you American who can't stand Trump's guts, then I got a proposal if you can afford it.
The residential cruise line Villa Vie Residences announced earlier in November that it was launching a program that will allow travelers to join its ship, the Odyssey, at any port as it traverses around the world for the next several years. The trip is expected to travel to 425 ports across 140 countries, and the program will cost less than $40,000 a year, according to a company statement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/18/trump-presidency-escape-cruise
Markus
Otto Harkaman
12-28-24, 12:47 AM
https://youtu.be/-YhTtfSCZ0k?si=K6XG-IGtGhOIRLj8
During World War II, the Panama Canal was a critical strategic asset for the United States, as it connected the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, allowing for the rapid movement of naval forces and supplies. To protect this vital link, the U.S. implemented extensive defensive measures, including fortifications, air defense systems, and naval patrols.
1. Land-Based Defenses
Fortifications: The U.S. Army fortified key positions on both the Atlantic and Pacific entrances to the canal. These included installations like Fort Sherman (Atlantic side) and Fort Amador (Pacific side).
Coastal Artillery: Heavy artillery batteries, including 16-inch and 6-inch guns, were installed to defend against enemy ships. These guns were often mounted on swiveling turrets for a wide field of fire.
Anti-Aircraft Artillery: To counter potential air attacks, numerous anti-aircraft guns were strategically positioned throughout the canal zone.
2. Air Defenses
Airfields: Several airfields were constructed in the Panama Canal Zone to host fighter and bomber aircraft. Key airbases included Albrook Field and Howard Field.
Aircraft Patrols: Reconnaissance and patrol missions were flown regularly to monitor for enemy submarines or aircraft approaching the canal.
Radar Systems: Early radar technology was deployed to detect incoming aircraft and provide early warning of potential attacks.
3. Naval Defenses
Submarine Nets and Mines: To prevent enemy submarines or ships from entering the canal, underwater nets and minefields were placed at the entrances.
Patrol Boats: The U.S. Navy maintained a constant presence in nearby waters with patrol boats and destroyers.
Escort Convoys: Merchant and military ships transiting the canal were often escorted by armed vessels to protect against submarine threats.
4. Jungle Warfare Training and Garrison Troops
The canal zone housed a significant garrison of U.S. Army troops trained in jungle warfare to counter any potential land-based attacks or sabotage.
Indigenous workers and U.S. civilian employees also played a role in maintaining operations and infrastructure.
5. Intelligence and Counter-Sabotage Measures
The U.S. established rigorous security measures to prevent sabotage, including monitoring workers and infrastructure closely.
Counterintelligence units operated to detect and neutralize potential enemy spies or saboteurs.
6. Allied Cooperation
The U.S. collaborated with neighboring countries in Central and South America to monitor the broader region for Axis activities, enhancing the canal's security perimeter.
These layered defenses ensured that the Panama Canal remained operational and secure throughout the war, allowing the U.S. to project its military power effectively across both oceans.
Was killing time (chronocide) yesterday and, while flipping through the TV channels, happened upon an episode of the series Bones that I hadn't seen before, or, at least, didn't remember; as part of the episodes subplot, Dr. Brennan talks to her husband, FBI Agent Booth, about her desire to run for President of the US; she compiles a list of pros and cons related to her putative candidacy and Booth critiques her list, trying to dissuade Brennan from trying to run for office; at the end of this clip, Brennan says something that caught me by surprise and gave me a good laugh; remember, this episode aired way back in 2013...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haf_kj3xNGo
The clip was 2 years before Trump first formally announced his run in 2015; I got a further kick out of the scene since it originally aired on Fox TV, the home of the Bones series...
<O>
https://youtu.be/-YhTtfSCZ0k?si=K6XG-IGtGhOIRLj8
The reality of the Panama Canal situation is that it is an outdated and, for pretty much all strategic and defense intents and purposes, useless; the Canal is way, way too easy to disable; just send a very large ship into the middle of it, sink it, and you'll have the Canal out of commission for who knows how long; don't think its a real possibility? Look up the Suez Canal blockage in 2021 that cost billions in delayed shipping; the only real threat is not to the US strategic and military interests, its to the worldwide trade interests; frankly, the Panama Canal could shut down today indefinitely and the US defense situation would not even feel the difference; the really vital naval assets are already in position in their respective Pacific and Atlantic Oceans and don't need the Canal to get around; and the Canal is so old and low tech that it can't even accommodate the newer vital naval systems like carriers and subs; the idea of shuttling a big carrier or nuclear sub very slowly through the Canal, leaving it vulnerable to easy attack by hostiles, is just not in the cards; ICBMs, stealth technology, hell, even drones, make the Canal virtually useless as a modern defense asset; the US, if it really wants to continue to insist on a canal in the area, would really probably be better served by just building a newer, up-to-date, technologically current canal somewhere else that is far wider, far deeper, and more suited to being supportive of naval needs...
<O>
Buddahaid
12-29-24, 09:02 PM
And that is the whole point of Trump's chitfit over Greenland. Global warming is opening up the area for resources and sea-lanes so don't get the idea Trump doesn't believe in global warming being a thing.
Jimmy Carter quotes:
When Fidel Castro died: “Rosalynn and I share our sympathies with the Castro family and the Cuban people on the death of Fidel Castro,” he wrote. “We remember fondly our visits with him in Cuba and his love of his country. We wish the Cuban citizens peace and prosperity in the years ahead.”
On Kim Il Sung and North Korea: “I find him to be vigorous, intelligent…and in charge of the decisions about this country...I don’t see that they are an outlaw nation.”
On Marshal Josip Tito: “a man who believes in human rights.”
On Nicolae Ceaușescu: “our goals are the same: to have a just system of economics and politics… We believe in enhancing human rights.”
Skybird
12-30-24, 10:16 AM
^ It's called “diplomatic language” to avoid slamming doors and denying future opportunities.
The opposite position is what Annalena Baerbock usually spouts. She hasn't gotten very far with it, except that everyone shakes their heads or laughs at her blatantly.
^ It's called “diplomatic language” to avoid slamming doors and denying future opportunities.
So some might claim but when Trump does it you say it's proof that he's a Putin stooge. BTW Castro died 35 years after Carter left office. Whose door was he keeping from slamming again?
Catfish
12-30-24, 12:35 PM
Trump is not a Putin stooge of course, but it is obvious that Putin preferred him before Mrs Harris, no?
Let's simply see what happens.
The notion that any sitting US president would be a willing 'stooge' for a former superpower which now has the same economic output as spain.... is a little bit silly. BRICS aside, Putin and Russia just dont have a very significant presence on the world stage anymore - unless they pushed the button of course...
Trump is not a Putin stooge of course, but it is obvious that Putin preferred him before Mrs Harris, no?
Let's simply see what happens.
Doesn't seem so obvious to me. Putin has publicly stated that he preferred first Biden then Harris over Trump.
Catfish
12-30-24, 02:15 PM
Really? I thoiught it was one of Putin's "jokes".
Also it was the Biden administration that has implemented a vast part of US sanctions on Moscow since Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.
Otto Harkaman
12-30-24, 02:34 PM
Judging a president solely based on the endorsement or preference of an authoritarian leader like Vladimir Putin would be misplaced. A president should be evaluated on their record of policies, actions, and outcomes rather than external opinions. By prioritizing facts and outcomes over foreign opinions, we ensure that evaluations are grounded in substance rather than rhetoric or external influence.
Ostfriese
12-30-24, 04:33 PM
record of policies, actions, and outcomes[/B]
For Trump's first term that record is abysmally bad.
For Trump's first term that record is abysmally bad.
So you think he will run the store as he did last time he was behind the wheel ?
Markus
u crank
12-30-24, 05:08 PM
Judging a president solely based on the endorsement or preference of an authoritarian leader like Vladimir Putin would be misplaced. A president should be evaluated on their record of policies, actions, and outcomes rather than external opinions. By prioritizing facts and outcomes over foreign opinions, we ensure that evaluations are grounded in substance rather than rhetoric or external influence.
Agree 100%. Well said.
:up:
For Trump's first term that record is abysmally bad.
Well says you anyways.
I like that he cut middle class income taxes, his deregulation efforts, negotiated a middle east peace treaty, kept illegal immigration low, improved trade agreements, made the country energy independent, doubled the child tax credit and replenished the nations strategic reserves.
He would have gotten a lot more done too if the Democrats and their deep state allies weren't actively opposing his every move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utcehp7xehY
Skybird
12-31-24, 03:01 PM
The current president will probably be wheeled straight from the White House to an old people's home, and who knows? The next one might go straight to an insane asylum. :D
Buddahaid
12-31-24, 08:02 PM
The current president will probably be wheeled straight from the White House to an old people's home, and who knows? The next one might go straight to an insane asylum. :D
I think Biden will hang in there just to irritate the GOP/MAGA/Rino coalition party which will likely get less done than the last House if that's even possible, but hey, they're off to a great start already. :haha:
Trump will go straight to the slammer. :arrgh!:
I think Biden will hang in there just to irritate the GOP/MAGA/Rino coalition party which will likely get less done than the last House if that's even possible, but hey, they're off to a great start already. :haha:
Trump will go straight to the slammer. :arrgh!:
Well you also said he'd be in the slammer before the election. You said he'd loose he election to Kamala. You've said a lot of things over the past four years but you ain't been right yet. :03:
The diktat of entertainment:
We no longer fight for truth, but for rightness. Truth is heavy, unwieldy, slow. Equality is light as a feather; a flashy hashtag, a shiny pixel. It is not about what is true, but what feels true. We wage an endless battle in echo chambers full of affirmation, trapped in the acoustics of our own rightness. Meanwhile, the world burns. Literally. The air shimmers, oceans boil, animals disappear. But who is watching that, when a new TikTok trend goes viral? Why worry about melting ice caps when you can join yet another online feud on X? The digital theatre is running at full speed, with every day bringing a new show, every controversy, a new drama. And we, the audience, cheer, cry, click but never rise from our seats.
This displacement the demolition of meaning, the diminution of complexity, erodes the foundation of our democracy. Technology, once the promise of progress, now feeds us ‘AI slop’ superficial, algorithmically generated drivel that amuses, blinds and cripples us. As Neil Postman warned in Amusing Ourselves to Death:We do not lose ourselves in tyranny, but in triviality. We are oppressed not by violence, but by an endless stream of manipulated stories that exactly fit our world view, illusions packaged as truth.They spin alternative truths that seduce millions (with AI-generated images), which floats on emotions, not facts, not because they are accurate, but because they shine. This is no longer politics, this is theatre. The danger? That these artificial realities not only divide us, but also hand us over to power structures that keep feeding us exactly what we want to hear. But what happens when AI breaks that reality into pieces, replaces it with an illusion, and then traps us in the comfort of our own imagination? Truth loses its fixed form and becomes a malleable instrument, shaped by whoever shouts it loudest. Power no longer lies with what is true, but who decides what is shared. The conflict of our time is not between left and right, but between us and reality. And I wonder: what happens when the curtain falls and the applause dies down? What will be left then except silence and a world we have ignored for too long?
Social media make this more difficult than before. They push us into the dynamic of bickering between romantic partners: ‘You... always...!’ We get stuck in lingering slights that we keep magnifying until we get tired of them ourselves. After all, those who cloak themselves in the armour of their own rightness do not need to sharpen their own content; quoting the other in a sneering tone suffices. Constructive conflict requires a public debate in which knowledge and nuance prevail, not sacrificed on the altar of clicks and accessibility. We are still in the ring. Perhaps out of pride, wantonness or rage. But also in the quiet hope that we can meet in the middle.For where it must be permissible to argue, there must be hope to come to agreement.
A question about Inauguration
Have inauguration always been on Jan 20/21 ?
I know when a VP takes the oath after the President is no more, it happens all time of day or week.
Forget my question-Found the answer myself
"Congress had originally established March 4 as Inauguration Day. The date was moved to January 20 with the passage of the Twentieth Amendment in 1933."
Markus
Buddahaid
01-04-25, 01:05 AM
Okay, I've drunk enough to comment again....
So, Mike Johnson makes some backroom deal with two Republicans and gets re-elected today and the 119th Congress begins. I actually thought he would fail in the first vote, but I was wrong, barely.
On the legal front, Judge Merchan has ordered Trump to be sentenced on the tenth for the 34 felony counts he was convicted of. The sentence will be unconditional discharge, but it will still stand as a sentence making Trump the first person to become President of the US as a convicted felon. It makes me so proud.
And I'll be on Bourbon Street late February and early March giving a big middle finger to the shathead who drove his rented truck into a crowd of innocent people having a good time. How brave of him. He should be dug up and hanged after burial.
Otto Harkaman
01-04-25, 11:22 AM
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/01/1920/1080/83d505dc-cartoon010125.jpg
Buddahaid
01-04-25, 12:14 PM
^^
So where’s the outrage about Cramer?
“ Ian Cramer, 43, pleaded guilty in September to all of the charges against him, including homicide while fleeing a peace officer, preventing arrest, reckless endangerment, fleeing an officer and drug- and driving-related offenses. Those charges related to a Dec. 6, 2023, chase and crash that killed Mercer County Sheriff’s Deputy Paul Martin, 53.”
https://apnews.com/article/kevin-cramer-son-deputy-killed-chase-sentence-5f194f28c7df939cfdb666161e26e05c#
Was wondering why it was so quiet after two terror attacks. What is bigotry doing?
Otto Harkaman
01-04-25, 12:59 PM
Are you saying Biden is going to pardon him as well?
https://dims.apnews.com/dims4/default/5e8c78b/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4719x3144+0+0/resize/980x653!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.apnews.com%2F6b%2F3e%2Fa 55860744d4fb6ee3800811890ed%2Fap23324626648794.jpg
Buddahaid
01-04-25, 03:49 PM
Nope. I'm just pointing out how much MAGA didn't care when one of their own Senator's sons took drugs and murdered someone but had to try to nail Biden to a cross for much lesser crimes.
Nope. I'm just pointing out how much MAGA didn't care when one of their own Senator's sons took drugs and murdered someone but had to try to nail Biden to a cross for much lesser crimes.
Not sure who you are talking about but what does that have to do with the Biden Crime families extensive history of graft, corruption and influence peddling?
Buddahaid
01-04-25, 11:51 PM
Not sure who you are talking about but what does that have to do with the Biden Crime families extensive history of graft, corruption and influence peddling?
I'm talking about MAGA hypocrisy and despite spending half of their time in Congress and millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars over Hunter Biden, nothing was proven other than evidence and witnesses were fakes and criminals. Just a circus clown act to cover the fact that the House could not govern, and Republicans are so divided they can't create a budget and likely still can't for 2025. But it's all yours now so let's see some real government inaction.
I'm talking about MAGA hypocrisy and despite spending half of their time in Congress and millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars over Hunter Biden, nothing was proven other than evidence and witnesses were fakes and criminals. Just a circus clown act to cover the fact that the House could not govern, and Republicans are so divided they can't create a budget and likely still can't for 2025. But it's all yours now so let's see some real government inaction.
Your democrat tears are simply delicious. Nothing was proven indeed.
The Biden crime families corruption has been well proven, shell companies, off shore accounts, the money trail is there, and soon his corrupt Attorney General won't be able to block prosecution for their many crimes. Joe also won't be able to issue any more pardons for his family members so once he finishes giving the medal of freedom to a former nazi he better get cracking on issuing more of them because the dam is already cracking.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/27/us-news/all-the-times-biden-denied-meeting-with-hunters-biz-associates-as-more-photos-emerge-and-expose-president/
Otto Harkaman
01-05-25, 01:43 AM
Newly released pictures show Joe Biden meeting Hunter Biden’s Chinese business partners
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/photo-5-20241228202141422.jpg
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/28/politics/hunter-biden-joe-biden-business-partners-photos/index.html
Buddahaid
01-05-25, 11:44 AM
Your democrat tears are simply delicious. Nothing was proven indeed.
The Biden crime families corruption has been well proven, shell companies, off shore accounts, the money trail is there, and soon his corrupt Attorney General won't be able to block prosecution for their many crimes. Joe also won't be able to issue any more pardons for his family members so once he finishes giving the medal of freedom to a former nazi he better get cracking on issuing more of them because the dam is already cracking.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/27/us-news/all-the-times-biden-denied-meeting-with-hunters-biz-associates-as-more-photos-emerge-and-expose-president/
The tears will be coming from Trump as he keeps walking into a wall of discord among Republicans. The tears will be coming from the MAGA base when they find they've been suckered by a fraud again. The tears will be coming from all Americans when Trump's isolationist rhetoric alienates our allies and the cost of living spirals up.
The tears will be coming from Trump as he keeps walking into a wall of discord among Republicans. The tears will be coming from the MAGA base when they find they've been suckered by a fraud again. The tears will be coming from all Americans when Trump's isolationist rhetoric alienates our allies and the cost of living spirals up.
:har: Simply delicious.
Buddahaid
01-05-25, 05:42 PM
:har: Simply delicious.
That it will be when I listen to you trying to blame Democrats a year from now. :arrgh!:
That it will be when I listen to you trying to blame Democrats a year from now. :arrgh!:
Not unless your luck changes. :up:
Buddahaid
01-07-25, 12:08 AM
It’s Jan 6th and as Jon Stewart said, “See how peaceful a transition of power can be when you don’t act like a little bit*h?”
What's going on inside Trumps head ? Showing a childish behaviour is one of the thing.
He just threaten Denmark with trade war if Denmark don't sell Greenland to him.
Even the Danes are divided-Some say it's up to the people in Greenland to decide, while others say Greenland is and shall be a part of Denmark.
Markus
Catfish
01-07-25, 04:27 PM
^ What do you expect from a loonie ;)
Buddahaid
01-07-25, 04:31 PM
With global warming ice melt, Greenland is strategic property for arguing over more than ever, and since Trump hates NATO, he has to act the childish bully instead of arguing with diplomacy.
Forgot something in my last post.
He, Trump, would not overrule the use of military force when it comes to Greenland and Panama.
The Danish government is taking it very calm.
Markus
Catfish
01-07-25, 05:36 PM
Trump also wants Canada to become the 51. US state lmao.
I'd propose a referendum à la Putin :D
Trump also wants Canada to become the 51. US state lmao.
I'd propose a referendum à la Putin :D
:har::har: Not much difference between Putin and Trump!! What a pair!! :doh::oops:
Hmm, what about Mexico?? :hmmm::D
Buddahaid
01-07-25, 11:46 PM
They don’t need no stinking tariffs.
:har:
PS. I can't for the life of me remember the movie that came from, was it Blazing Saddles ?? :D
:har:
PS. I can't for the life of me remember the movie that came from, was it Blazing Saddles ?? :D
Yeah but Blazing Saddles spoofed that scene from a move called "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" with Humphrey Bogart.
Skybird
01-08-25, 04:59 AM
:har::har: Not much difference between Putin and Trump!!
In talks: not much difference, in deeds: remains to be seen. On war (and thats the only way for Trump to get Greenland or Panama), Putin does not fire just empty verbal duds to get attention. Trump surely will commit a massacre: against officials, media, and lawyers and attorneys at home, not Greenlanders or people in Panama.
Otto Harkaman
01-08-25, 09:03 AM
Too funny more posturing from an off the cuff comment than three years of war on its EU borders.
Forgot something in my last post.
He, Trump, would not overrule the use of military force when it comes to Greenland and Panama.
The Danish government is taking it very calm.
Markus
Maybe because it wouldn't be the first time that Denmark has sold it's lands to the US, not even the second time. :03:
Maybe because it wouldn't be the first time that Denmark has sold it's lands to the US, not even the second time. :03:
Yes they sold Virgin island to USA and some other small country. But Greenland is different. It is a part of Denmark and Greenland has some kind of autonomous self-government.
There are some steps which has to be taken before Trump can buy Greenland. First of all the Danish government have to say yes to give Greenland their own ruling of their country. Then there has to be a referendum at least in Greenland and perhaps in Denmark too. All this may take years, so USA could be the owner of Greenland after 2030 or so.
Markus
Buddahaid
01-08-25, 04:22 PM
I'm not worried. It's all just headline grabbing (shiny thing) crap to obscure the failures of the campaign promises coming up.
Here is the real reason to why USA, Russia and China have interest in Greenland and why Denmark isn't giving up the island so easily.
Markus
Maybe because it wouldn't be the first time that Denmark has sold it's lands to the US, not even the second time. :03:It's up to the Greenlanders to decide what kinds of affiliations they want to have with other countries. And if the Greenlanders want to leave the kingdom of Denmark and become part of the United States. Denmark would respect that decision, but it's their decision. But once Trump gets into serious discussions with the Greenlanders, it will become obvious that they're not at all talking about the same thing. The Greenlanders want the United States to give them money in exchange for access to Greenlandic territory for defence purposes. But aside from that, they want to be an independent country that can make its own decisions. And such an arrangement is not at all going to give Donald Trump the ownership of Greenland.
Catfish
01-08-25, 08:02 PM
^ yes, and there is public international law.
But:
"Trump said that U.S. control was an "absolute necessity" and did not rule out using military or economic action to make it happen."
I don't know. I think it is high time for the peoples of the earth to topple and get rid of ALL all those international queer[sic(k)] bigmouths, rulers and dictators, once and for all.
And such an arrangement is not at all going to give Donald Trump the ownership of Greenland.
A stawman argument. Trump is not asking to buy Greenland personally.
The reality of the Panama Canal situation is that it is an outdated and, for pretty much all strategic and defense intents and purposes, useless; the Canal is way, way too easy to disable; just send a very large ship into the middle of it, sink it, and you'll have the Canal out of commission for who knows how long; don't think its a real possibility? Look up the Suez Canal blockage in 2021 that cost billions in delayed shipping; the only real threat is not to the US strategic and military interests, its to the worldwide trade interests; frankly, the Panama Canal could shut down today indefinitely and the US defense situation would not even feel the difference; the really vital naval assets are already in position in their respective Pacific and Atlantic Oceans and don't need the Canal to get around; and the Canal is so old and low tech that it can't even accommodate the newer vital naval systems like carriers and subs; the idea of shuttling a big carrier or nuclear sub very slowly through the Canal, leaving it vulnerable to easy attack by hostiles, is just not in the cards; ICBMs, stealth technology, hell, even drones, make the Canal virtually useless as a modern defense asset; the US, if it really wants to continue to insist on a canal in the area, would really probably be better served by just building a newer, up-to-date, technologically current canal somewhere else that is far wider, far deeper, and more suited to being supportive of naval needs...
<O>
Trump, knows that.The Panamanians are charging the United States more to pass thru the canal.For any US registered ships. Here's the bite in the bark. Don't ask for millions of dollars to upkeep the canal that you now own.From a country that built the friggin thing and you bought for a dollar.And took control back in 1999 .
What has the Panamanian government done with all that money ? Oh let me guess the rulers, have mansions,jets,yachts, kids who get the best education in the USA. And they never miss a party in Monaco on the French Riviera. Now that the canal is in disrepair hey! Let's get the Americans to pay for repairs. While we let the Chinese,have control of each end of the canal. And that makes perfect sense for a American Politician.But the Donald is a citizen and that ****e is comming to an end.
Buddahaid
01-08-25, 10:10 PM
That’s a bunch of BS propaganda from the professional whiner victim party formerly known as the Grand Ol’ Party but know known as the Greedy Oligarchs Party.
^ yes, and there is public international law.
But:
"Trump said that U.S. control was an "absolute necessity" and did not rule out using military or economic action to make it happen."
I don't know. I think it is high time for the peoples of the earth to topple and get rid of ALL all those international queer[sic(k)] bigmouths, rulers and dictators, once and for all.
I guess, Joe Biden and the entire Democrat party of the United States would have to fall.They seem to be the people you are talking about. It is a fact that the American Politicians have again in a few short years of power. Started a war that has killed thousands of people.And that's a fact....And they have used every military asset to attack and try an topple a sovereign government that has not made threat or harmed an American soldier or citizen.
And now, we get a Citizen President who wants to stop this insanity and you and your kind want to kill him. Do you know the Danish are part of NATO but they want your country to spend the money to defend them.
And for what ? in 45 min or less Denmark will not exist as a country.Ya know what it's time for a exhibition for the World to see,other than old films of a Nuclear Explosion.And if we could see that today in real life.You would see a change in Governments very quickly.
That’s a bunch of BS propaganda from the professional whiner victim party formerly known as the Grand Ol’ Party but know known as the Greedy Oligarchs Party.
Really, What's is the Grand OL' party ? Oh damn,It could have been the Democrats who terrorised the South after the war. And they rode ahead of the carpetbaggers.With hoods over their heads,killing any man who said this is my acre.Well we will never know will we.?
We are living in the novel 1984. Go and look,everything on the internet is being scrubbed and rewritten as we set here today. Real books, that those of us that can still read a page on paper will be the next threat. Books are dangerous they hold the truth of the past.And the inner workings of the mind of the Political Sociopath centered around Machiavellianism. And that would encompass every Democrat and Socialist leader on this planet. AKA the Globalist and their followers.
Have you ever wondered why. Millions of people across this planet died from covid and the entire grandma and grandpas who are in Government and their families, Didn't die ? If they didn't have the cure.Then were they hiding ? And if it was good for them, Why did they turn their backs and let their citizens die.These are the Questions here in the United States that have to be answered. How could Joe Biden and the old crows survive when everybody had family and neighbors dying every day.
Otto Harkaman
01-09-25, 12:15 AM
ThatÂ’s a bunch of BS propaganda from the professional whiner victim party formerly known as the Grand OlÂ’ Party but know known as the Greedy Oligarchs Party.
Bah the Grand Ol' Party is the Democrats they are the older party, the party of Slavery! A Democratic newspaper realized how negative the appellation was so they switched the name to the Republican's in the later part of the 19th century. They always want to spin themselves as the younger party, the underdogs but they are actually the establishment and have held power for much longer periods than the newer Republican party. And they are the greedy party, all with years of public service how did they become so rich? Oh Nancy Pelosi with her insider trading and how corrupt she has been, bah make me sick!
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/01/1920/1080/cartoon010925.jpg
That’s a bunch of BS propaganda from the professional whiner victim party formerly known as the Grand Ol’ Party but know known as the Greedy Oligarchs Party.
Democrats always want to tar others with the things that they do or are themselves. That party has institutionalized whining and victim-hood to a level never even seen before in this country, nearly tearing us apart with their DEI nonsense, their Eco-fascism, their medical and social authoritarianism, and is actually funded by oligarchs from George Soros to Bill Gates.
The Republicans are now the populist party of the working class and the Democrats the establishment party of war mongering elitists and everybody knows it. :up:
The diktat of entertainment:
We no longer fight for truth, but for rightness. Truth is heavy, unwieldy, slow. Equality is light as a feather; a flashy hashtag, a shiny pixel. It is not about what is true, but what feels true. We wage an endless battle in echo chambers full of affirmation, trapped in the acoustics of our own rightness. Meanwhile, the world burns. Literally. The air shimmers, oceans boil, animals disappear. But who is watching that, when a new TikTok trend goes viral? Why worry about melting ice caps when you can join yet another online feud on X? The digital theatre is running at full speed, with every day bringing a new show, every controversy, a new drama. And we, the audience, cheer, cry, click but never rise from our seats.
This displacement the demolition of meaning, the diminution of complexity, erodes the foundation of our democracy. Technology, once the promise of progress, now feeds us ‘AI slop’ superficial, algorithmically generated drivel that amuses, blinds and cripples us. As Neil Postman warned in Amusing Ourselves to Death:They spin alternative truths that seduce millions (with AI-generated images), which floats on emotions, not facts, not because they are accurate, but because they shine. This is no longer politics, this is theatre. The danger? That these artificial realities not only divide us, but also hand us over to power structures that keep feeding us exactly what we want to hear. But what happens when AI breaks that reality into pieces, replaces it with an illusion, and then traps us in the comfort of our own imagination? Truth loses its fixed form and becomes a malleable instrument, shaped by whoever shouts it loudest. Power no longer lies with what is true, but who decides what is shared. The conflict of our time is not between left and right, but between us and reality. And I wonder: what happens when the curtain falls and the applause dies down? What will be left then except silence and a world we have ignored for too long?
Hey i like it.Throw all common sense and what your eyeballs can see,Throw it out the window.And if you believe it's time to leave the Nest.Put a backpack on get to the closest Interstate and stick your thumb out...Cause what you want is a ride into the future,cause the present where you live in sucks... And the adventure will start...And depending on your fortitude and how far the apple dropped from the tree. Well hell, depending on how far you go and the people you meet along the way,and survive i would reckon by next fall and the start of winter.You could tell us, If everything you wrote above is what you still believe. Go get em Tiger.
Buddahaid
01-09-25, 03:02 AM
Democrats always want to tar others with the things that they do or are themselves. That party has institutionalized whining and victim-hood to a level never even seen before in this country, nearly tearing us apart with their DEI nonsense, their Eco-fascism, their medical and social authoritarianism, and is actually funded by oligarchs from George Soros to Bill Gates.
The Republicans are now the populist party of the working class and the Democrats the establishment party of war mongering elitists and everybody knows it. :up:
Republicans are not the populist party, and they do not have a mandate of the people because Trump did not win the populist vote. War mongering elitists? Who's talking about militarily attacking Panama, and Mexico? Who's talking about annexing Canada and forcing an issue with Greenland? I'm waiting to see Mr. Peace in our time in the first 24 hours live up to one campaign promise. Get real August, your man is going to win dickhead of the century.
Republicans are not the populist party, and they do not have a mandate of the people because Trump did not win the populist vote. War mongering elitists? Who's talking about militarily attacking Panama, and Mexico? Who's talking about annexing Canada and forcing an issue with Greenland? I'm waiting to see Mr. Peace in our time in the first 24 hours live up to one campaign promise. Get real August, your man is going to win dickhead of the century.
Well, Space Chicken. Donald Trump won, And you will have to look in the Mirror and cry, Why,the populist party you believed in,Didn't win.The People in this country,They want a citizen President ,You talk about he's going to attack all these countries and he's not.
But there is a fact that cannot be disputed.Joe Biden and his Administration left Afghanistan and we have been in a proxy war.That has cost billions of dollars and thousands of human lives. And has brought the world to near Nuclear War. And you have the Audacity to Accuse.Your hatred is evident and we shall see.
Buddahaid
01-09-25, 04:14 AM
Well, Gorpet, my love, Trump negotiated and set the timeline for leaving Afghanistan, and that proxy war in Ukraine is pushing back against an illegal war started by Trump's biggest bromance idol.
Little more on the Greenland subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlK3f1cs_l4
Markus
Skybird
01-09-25, 06:21 AM
"Impressive" fires at the Palisades area in L.A., now described as the most destructive fires in the history of California. I feel sympathy with the people who have lost their homes, rich and poor. Such things simply are nothing that should ever happen to anyone. But they do.
Someone should start a thread concerning the California fires, absolutely devastating! 5 people dead so far. :oops::o
Skybird
01-09-25, 06:41 AM
:D
https://www.achgut.com/images/archiv/_900w/ScholzShark_Kopie.jpg[AdG]
Someone should start a thread concerning the California fires, absolutely devastating! 5 people dead so far. :oops::o
We already have a thread
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=233747
Markus
Jimbuna
01-09-25, 08:12 AM
We already have a thread
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=233747
Markus
True that :yep:
Republicans are not the populist party, and they do not have a mandate of the people because Trump did not win the populist vote. War mongering elitists? Who's talking about militarily attacking Panama, and Mexico? Who's talking about annexing Canada and forcing an issue with Greenland? I'm waiting to see Mr. Peace in our time in the first 24 hours live up to one campaign promise. Get real August, your man is going to win dickhead of the century.
No he won the PopuLAR vote by over 2 million over Kamalalamadingdong. Are you election denying Budda? :)
We already have a thread
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=233747
Markus
My glasses!! I need my glasses!!! :oops::D
Buddahaid
01-09-25, 08:51 PM
Yep, I was wrong on the popular vote but I’m not wrong on Trump being a freshly branded felon when he enters office. The SCOTUS in a 5 to 4 decision rejected Trump’s Hail Mary and he will be sentenced. It will be fun to hear the proceeding.
u crank
01-10-25, 05:48 AM
Yep, I was wrong on the popular vote but I’m not wrong on Trump being a freshly branded felon when he enters office. The SCOTUS in a 5 to 4 decision rejected Trump’s Hail Mary and he will be sentenced. It will be fun to hear the proceeding.
Trump will not be there in person. He will attend the sentencing remotely. The appeal will be interesting as well as it will shine a light on Judge Merchan's and DA Alvin Bragg's procedural mistakes. There are multiple grounds for reversing Trump’s convictions on appeal. The appeal process cannot begin until sentence is imposed. Also almost for certain Trump will get an unconditional discharge – meaning no jail time, no probation, no fine, and no post-sentencing monitoring of any kind. Hope you enjoy it.
Buddahaid
01-10-25, 12:58 PM
And that's just the thing. What will come out of the audio will show Trump in the courtroom, so to speak, where he must stick with the truth and not outside the courtroom in front of reporters where he could, and did, lie and spin. He will lose the appeal in the end.
In any case, he is now officially convicted felon President elect Trump. for the record and all of history.:haha:
Bilge_Rat
01-10-25, 01:07 PM
yes, Trump is a “convicted felon”, but so what? The only people that care about that are those that did not vote for him anyway. He will still be sworn in in 10 days as the next POTUS. :salute:
Otto Harkaman
01-10-25, 01:19 PM
Fitting Merchan of Colombia has brought us to the level of Latin South American politics.
u crank
01-10-25, 01:19 PM
And that's just the thing. What will come out of the audio will show Trump in the courtroom, so to speak, where he must stick with the truth and not outside the courtroom in front of reporters where he could, and did, lie and spin. He will lose the appeal in the end.
In any case, he is now officially convicted felon President elect Trump. for the record and all of history.:haha:
Ha ha. Are we not yet entertained? The simple truth is that most if not all of the 77,303,573 Americans who voted for Trump don't care. They got what they wanted. Did you?
Buddahaid
01-10-25, 01:19 PM
yes, Trump is a “convicted felon”, but so what? The only people that care about that are those that did not vote for him anyway. He will still be sworn in in 10 days as the next POTUS. :salute:
And he doesn't care about you anymore because he got your vote and will dump you along with the things he said to get your vote. You've been used.
And that's just the thing. What will come out of the audio will show Trump in the courtroom, so to speak, where he must stick with the truth and not outside the courtroom in front of reporters where he could, and did, lie and spin. He will lose the appeal in the end.
In any case, he is now officially convicted felon President elect Trump. for the record and all of history.:haha:
At least until this legal travesty is overturned by the appeals court as is expected. And in 10 days he's still going to become your President, and i'll be there to watch it happen!
AVGWarhawk
01-10-25, 01:43 PM
And he doesn't care about you anymore because he got your vote and will dump you along with the things he said to get your vote. You've been used.
Good Lord. That is found in the democratic playbook as well. Just ask the African American community. :doh:
u crank
01-10-25, 02:39 PM
And he doesn't care about you anymore because he got your vote and will dump you along with the things he said to get your vote. You've been used.
I wonder how many people who voted for Joe Biden feel that exact same way?
AVGWarhawk
01-10-25, 02:47 PM
I wonder how many people who voted for Joe Biden feel that exact same way?
Ask the African American community.
u crank
01-10-25, 03:06 PM
Ask the African American community.
I don't think you can have a disapproval rating that Biden has without disappointing your own voters. It is mathematically impossible.
Skybird
01-10-25, 04:15 PM
Donald Trump will move into the Oval Office in a few days as a convicted felon. The New York court found him guilty, but imposed neither a prison sentence nor a fine, nor a suspended sentence.
This behavior demonstrated that the independence of the American judiciary has been suspended. The separation of powers was once considered one of the pillars of the American and Western state. In the USA, it no longer exists and is being increasingly eroded by Trump by his personnel decisions and mounting pressure on the administrative structures.
Buddahaid
01-10-25, 05:08 PM
At least until this legal travesty is overturned by the appeals court as is expected. And in 10 days he's still going to become your President, and i'll be there to watch it happen!
I don't think they will find any procedural grounds for doing so.
Bilge_Rat
01-11-25, 05:46 AM
I don't think they will find any procedural grounds for doing so.
Most objective legal observers, including several Trump critics, agree the case was a flimsy house of cards that will almost certainly be quashed on appeal. If you are really interested, it is easy enough to find articles that explain why.
It was obvious the only purpose of the case was to get any type of conviction to try to influence the election. Thankfully, most voters were wise enough to see through the charade.
Buddahaid
01-11-25, 11:41 AM
And the ones I pay attention to are lawyers and have a different opinion. It's not enough to say you don't like it and it shouldn't have happened, you have to prove there was procedural error.
Skybird
01-11-25, 03:36 PM
Donald Trump did not expect this opponent - the USA has already accumulated an incredible 36 trillion dollars in debt. If Donald Trump implements his election program exactly, the debt will be much higher. But there is a problem: international investors are becoming less and less interested in US government bonds.
https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/finanzen/boerse/investoren-meiden-us-staatsanleihen-mit-diesem-gegner-hat-donald-trump-nicht-gerechnet_d0b93799-7d1c-4965-887f-c43315986922.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/finanzen/boerse/investoren-meiden-us-staatsanleihen-mit-diesem-gegner-hat-donald-trump-nicht-gerechnet_d0b93799-7d1c-4965-887f-c43315986922.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Buddahaid
01-13-25, 03:04 PM
Judge Cannon has withdrawn her objection to the release of Jack Smith’s volume one of his report to the DOJ and it will be released to the public by tomorrow. This will be the DC election interference case findings.
Buddahaid
01-14-25, 09:19 AM
Here’s the report.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25486132-report-of-special-counsel-smith-volume-1-january-2025/
I don't usually agree with Cuomo but he makes some excellent points here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=913wd6Yq5UM
Commander Wallace
01-16-25, 12:36 AM
I don't usually agree with Cuomo but he makes some excellent points here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=913wd6Yq5UM
When you have a terrible record like the Democrats, you play the hand you are dealt, even if it does make the Democrats look incredibly inept and stupid. Kane himself has been buddies with Bill Clinton. Do we need to go further ? When Pete Hegseth was questioned, it wasn't about the threats and challenges the U.S faces but rather his personal life. These hearings clearly demonstrate what the Democrat party has become.
Meanwhile, The other Idiot in the room, Adam Schiff, was reminded by Pam Bondi during her confirmation hearing for U.S Attorney General that he himself had been censured in the Senate for reckless comments and conjecture. I think Pam Bondi will be a force and is the right person for the job. The video is below.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pam-bondi-explodes-i-m-not-here-to-do-your-homework-at-senator-who-interrupted-her/ar-AA1xgp2c?cvid=edf34352c7b34032877c2a23967f5b8e&ei=37
On other fronts, A recall is in the works to remove Gavin Newsom and Mayor Karen Bass for the absolute incompetence and lack of leadership they both have shown during the Wildfire crisis in California. 10% of the voting public or 1.3 million votes are needed for the recall. These signatures will show how serious California is about changing the status quo and conditions in California for the better. It's all on them. :yep:
Otto Harkaman
01-16-25, 12:58 AM
That is the constant Dem moral stratagem, the sex crime gambit :shifty:
Denmark is in the worst foreign crisis since the Mohammed crisis in 2005/7. This after a 45 min. conversation between the Danish Prime Minister and the coming President of the USA. Here Trump stated that he has no intention of pulling ashore as far as Greenland is concerned. Trump is determined to get Greenland-Either through tariffs on Danish goods or military intervention.
There has been crisis meeting among the party leaders in the Danish Parliament.
It's hard to stay neutral in this case.
Markus
^ If Trump decide to use military force, it would mean the end of NATO.
It would be interesting to see if USA will intervene in Greenland, Panama and Canada.
I'm sure that Canada will reject any conflict with USA - Due to lack of rooms for American prisons.
(My response was to Otto who posted an answer to my post above. He has removed it)
Markus
Skybird
01-16-25, 10:39 AM
It's hard to stay neutral in this case.
Markus
Indeed. If he would militarily intervene, it would mean a NATO
member attacks another NATO member, this would triggering article 5, means: if an attack on one means an attack on all - somerthign that since decades gets repeated by every NSATO generla secretary - , it would translate into: USA attacks all Europe.
Putin grins. He then would get what he always wanted: US out of Europe, and NATO done and finished.
We all lnow what it really is about: de factor the US altready have strong military control over Greenland. Its not about strategic goals, its about the ressources in the arctic instead and containing Chinese and Russian spreading in the northpolar region. If he goes throguh with this stunt, it means Trump wants to steal these ressources. In which case he would nto be one bit better than Putin or Xi. Which he probably would take as a compliment...
I wonder if the American "system" would let him pass through with this stunt? America has taken foreign lands before, i wonder how legal those opportunities were and how they would, in good or bad, compare to this case.
Lets hope it does not get eaten as hot as it was cooked.
But if it comes to the worst, even I would turn absolutely hostile towards the USA then. Pirates I have no tolerance for.
Buddahaid
01-16-25, 11:16 AM
[QUOTE=Commander Wallace;2940417...On other fronts, A recall is in the works to remove Gavin Newsom and Mayor Karen Bass for the absolute incompetence and lack of leadership they both have shown during the Wildfire crisis in California. 10% of the voting public or 1.3 million votes are needed for the recall. These signatures will show how serious California is about changing the status quo and conditions in California for the better. It's all on them. :yep:[/QUOTE]
Care to back that statement up with facts?
Otto Harkaman
01-16-25, 11:32 AM
^ If Trump decide to use military force, it would mean the end of NATO.
It would be interesting to see if USA will intervene in Greenland, Panama and Canada.
I'm sure that Canada will reject any conflict with USA - Due to lack of rooms for American prisons.
(My response was to Otto who posted an answer to my post above. He has removed it)
Markus
I can't believe you're taking any of this seriously
I can't believe you're taking any of this seriously
I'm not a psychologist so I can't tell if a leader is only using strong words or if he mean business.
Markus
I'm not a psychologist so I can't tell if a leader is only using strong words or if he mean business.
MarkusOtto is right this is the buzz if Trump says 5% it is lower, take it with a truck of salt.
Care to back that statement up with facts?
https://www.newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-karen-bass-face-recall-threat-one-may-struggle-survive-2015173
Commander Wallace
01-16-25, 01:13 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-karen-bass-face-recall-threat-one-may-struggle-survive-2015173
Thanks for saving me the trouble August. :up:
I was going to put in the link last night but it was late..... :yep:
Otto is right this is the buzz if Trump says 5% it is lower, take it with a truck of salt.
You are most likely right.
What I also have learned the last few days is that the Danish Prime minister had promised Trump during his last term, a military increase in Greenland-Which haven't happened at all.
Could this be the reason why Trump is acting like he does ?
Markus
You are most likely right.
What I also have learned the last few days is that the Danish Prime minister had promised Trump during his last term, a military increase in Greenland-Which haven't happened at all.
Could this be the reason why Trump is acting like he does ?
MarkusIt is about the Arctic, strategic significance. The Arctic land is under the undisputed sovereignty of the 8 Arctic states. The 5 countries bordering the Arctic Ocean, Denmark through Greenland, the United States through Alaska, Norway, Russia and Canada. Trump wants more bases around the Arctic for his security, that's what it's all about.
Otto Harkaman
01-16-25, 01:53 PM
You are most likely right.
What I also have learned the last few days is that the Danish Prime minister had promised Trump during his last term, a military increase in Greenland-Which haven't happened at all.
Could this be the reason why Trump is acting like he does ?
Markus
I think Markus whatever news feed you like to read/watch embellishes, easy to write Trump said this or did that with all the TDS. I am not totally sure but I think some of what you are talking about was from 2018.
Commander Wallace
01-16-25, 01:58 PM
I'm not a psychologist so I can't tell if a leader is only using strong words or if he mean business.
Markus
I think Otto is right, Markus. President Elect Trump is bombastic in how he phrases things. You have nothing to worry about. :yep: Now, if you are an Illegal Migrant / Invader in the U.S, that's another story.
I think President Elect Trump will have enough Issues to deal with here at home to occupy his time.
So, just relax.
I think Otto is right, Markus. President Elect Trump is bombastic in how he phrases things. You have nothing to worry about. :yep: Now, if you are an Illegal Migrant / Invader in the U.S, that's another story.
I think President Elect Trump will have enough Issues to deal with here at home to occupy his time.
So, just relax.
That's true-Trump is very bombastic in his way of saying things. So I'll take his statement with a truckload of salt.
Markus
Buddahaid
01-16-25, 03:06 PM
Thanks for saving me the trouble August. :up:
I was going to put in the link last night but it was late..... :yep:
Not what I meant. I’m asking you to back up the claims of incompetence with facts. Most of what I’m seeing are misinformation being spread.
Buddahaid
01-16-25, 03:08 PM
On another note, the DOJ may preemptively drop the charges in the remaining Mar-a-Lago case and release the report before Monday.
Commander Wallace
01-16-25, 03:23 PM
Not what I meant. I’m asking you to back up the claims of incompetence with facts. Most of what I’m seeing are misinformation being spread.
What Universe are you living in ? Where do you want to start with Incompetence ?
How about the vast amount of money that the Feds have given California for the High Speed Rail Projects that never materialized ? What about the money given for Reservoir's to store water to fight fires such as the one in progress now ? If that had been done, this fire would have been contained in hours. What about clearing the brush that have sparked these fires. That is called forestry management. The Democrats have said this is Climate change. I think there is some truth there. However, If the Democratic leadership is aware of Climate Change, then it would seem necessary to prepare for that with various contingencies and scenario's. These are facts, not disinformation as you have said.
No, Newsom would rather squander money on DEI initiatives and industrial strength Hair Gel in light of the strong winds in California..
Newsom, in less than a decade, has utterly destroyed California. I think a full investigation is warranted to see where the money the Feds gave California went. If it was misappropriated, those responsible should be charged. Why should the rest of the U.S have to keep bailing out California and pay for their stupidity because of theft and mismanagement ?
By the way, where is your link for your last post ?
Buddahaid
01-16-25, 03:35 PM
What Universe are you living in ? Where do you want to start with Incompetence ?
How about the vast amount of money that the Feds have given California for the High Speed Rail Projects that never materialized ? What about the money given for Reservoir's to store water to fight fires such as the one in progress now ? If that had been done, this fire would have been contained in hours. What about clearing the brush that have sparked these fires. The Democrats have said this is Climate change. I think there is some truth there. However, If the Democratic leadership is aware of Climate Change, then it would seem necessary to prepare for that with various contingencies and scenario's. These are facts, not disinformation as you have said.
No, Newsom would rather squander money on DEI initiatives and industrial strength Hair Gel in light of the strong winds in California..
Newsom, in less than a decade, has utterly destroyed California. I think a full investigation is warranted to see where the money the Feds gave California went. If it was misappropriated, those responsible should be charged. Why should the rest of the U.S have to keep bailing out California and pay for their stupidity because of theft and mismanagement ?
By the way, where is your link for your last post ?
All but one reservoir was full and the one that was empty was getting scheduled repair in the middle of winter when the fire danger is at it's lowest.
Clearing the brush. Do you have any idea of the size of the area involved? Do you realize that Federal funding comes from a House budget that for the last two years the GOP couldn't manage to come up with one and just kicked the Pelosi can down the road over and over again. Do you realize that 44 Republicans voted against that funding?
It is about the Arctic, strategic significance. The Arctic land is under the undisputed sovereignty of the 8 Arctic states. The 5 countries bordering the Arctic Ocean, Denmark through Greenland, the United States through Alaska, Norway, Russia and Canada. Trump wants more bases around the Arctic for his security, that's what it's all about.
The Military show have made a video on this topic. Before watching it-Take it as an action movie-You said it yourself Trump is not going to intervene in Greenland and/or Panama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUteSciUwME
Markus
Well, Gorpet, my love, Trump negotiated and set the timeline for leaving Afghanistan, and that proxy war in Ukraine is pushing back against an illegal war started by Trump's biggest bromance idol.
Ok, It was Joey and the Democrats ,Who left Afghanistan....Why? for one thing they knew. Democracy was not going to happen.And Their Globalist Oalgercy agenda.In the name of Democracy had to shift to keep the momentum going so Find a weenie man or a woman with a weenie. Anything but a man.
Do you think Trump will fulfill his promises he has made for his upcoming term ?
After Donald Trump becomes president again on Monday, he is on the hook for achieving a hefty chunk of his promises even before the day is out. One of those promises is to make you dizzy.
“Your head will spin when you see what’s going to happen,” he said of Day 1.
Steady yourself. This is some of what the Republican promised voters he would get done on his first day in office:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-day-1-promises-9c842ada3c54e2219445f1598db2c8d6
Markus
Skybird
01-17-25, 11:15 AM
Trump boasts on many topics with scandalous or sensational comments and demands. Taken each one individually, possibly none of them are meant that serious. However, if you fire a huge salvo of bluffs and then retreat on each and every one of them whenever you get called by the other player, sooner or later the remaining claims will be taken as bluffs, too, and nobody will take you seroious anymore. Your unpredictability has gone. Therefore, he will need to stand by some of his demands, to support his unpredictability, else he would be toast in international relations quite soon.
Thats why I fear we cannot afford to assume he will withdraw on all his demands and claims. Our art that we must learn can only be to make correct guesses on which ones he will stay with, and which ones he will be willing to give up if being called over them. Difficult, it keeps us running. Thats why he behaves the way he does. He keeps us occupied.
I predict he will have difficulty in fulfilling two of his promises.
1. Ending the war in Ukraine.
2. Close the border to Mexico
Markus
Buddahaid
01-17-25, 02:22 PM
SCOTUS votes 9-0 for TikTok divestiture.
I made the observation a while back that I'm not really very worried about Trump being able to get his agendas accomplished (but, to be fair, an awful lot of "his" agendas are really just the agendas of others he glommed onto to keep his ass out of prison) and noted how, if there was one thing about Trump, it is his predictability; like the definition of insanity being trying to do the same thing that gave a bad result over and over, in the same way, again expecting a different, better result, Don the Con, just keeps chugging on as predictable as it gets; some people can even predict him from quite afar:
(Note: I quoted the entire article because some may not be able to access the link: https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/pamela-karlan-trump-wildfires-20032664.php)
Politics
A Stanford Law professor correctly predicted Donald Trump’s politicization of wildfire aid -
By Bob Egelko, Courts Reporter
Jan 14, 2025
When Stanford Law professor Pamela Karlan testified before the House Judiciary Committee on Dec. 4, 2019, she theorized that Donald Trump would use disaster aid as a political tool to demand favors.
Threats by some Republican leaders to withhold wildfire disaster aid to California unless the state changes its policies leave Stanford Law professor Pamela Karlan dismayed but not surprised. It's what she foresaw five years ago when President Donald Trump was facing impeachment for threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine unless its president announced an investigation of Democrat Joe Biden’s son, Hunter.
“Imagine living in a part of Louisiana or Texas that’s prone to devastating hurricanes and flooding. What would you think if, when your governor asked the federal government for the disaster assistance that Congress has provided, the president responded, ‘I would like you to do us a favor. I’ll meet with you and send the disaster relief once you brand my opponent a criminal’?” Karlan told the House Judiciary Committee in December 2019.
Karlan has been a consistent critic of Trump. Three years earlier, as Trump prepared to begin his first presidential term, Karlan criticized his assertion that “the law’s totally on my side, meaning the president can’t have a conflict of interest.”
“If he invades a country because they put windmills outside his golf course, that would be a conflict of interest,” said Karlan, a former NAACP attorney and a civil rights lawyer in the Justice Department under President Barack Obama. “If he decides not to enforce labor laws to protect workers at Trump casinos, that’s a violation of his oath of office. It’s the difference between having a king and having a president.”
She was equally critical Monday of statements by Republicans like Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who told the conservative Newsmax network that he wouldn’t vote for federal disaster relief for California “unless we see a dramatic change in how they’re gonna be handling things in the future.”
He didn’t specify the “dramatic changes” he was demanding. But Trump and other Republicans have claimed, without evidence, that state and local water officials have failed to fill fire hydrants or provide adequate water supplies, and have denounced the state’s alleged shortcomings in “forest management,” in which California has invested $2 billion since 2019.
What we’re hearing from some Republican leaders now is “nasty rhetoric in the face of a real tragedy,” Karlan told the Chronicle.
“Donald Trump has made statements both when he was in office, before and during the campaign and now that suggest that he is not sympathetic to problems that people in a number of parts of the country face,” Karlan said. “Disaster relief is designed to give relief for people who suffer from disasters and not to be a political football.”
Trump has blamed the state’s fires and resulting financial shortages on Gov. Gavin Newsom — whom he has repeatedly called “Newscum” — and accused the governor of refusing to sign a “water restoration declaration” to redirect millions of gallons of water to wildfire areas. There is no evidence that such a document exists.
Newsom, meanwhile, has called a special session of the state Legislature to protect California’s policies on abortion, climate change and immigration from expected attacks by Trump. Newsom added wildfire aid to the special session agenda on Monday. On Tuesday, he signed an executive order to help displaced students return to class in other districts or temporary facilities.
Newsom and legislative leaders have also agreed to set aside $50 million for anticipated legal disputes with Trump and support for immigrants facing deportation orders from the incoming administration. Senate Republican leader Brian Jones of San Diego criticized the governor for calling a special session to approve the funding at the same time as the session for fire assistance.
“Fire victims deserve a response that is both respectful and nonpartisan, but instead, Newsom is politicizing a tragic crisis that should focus solely on aiding those in need,” Jones said in a statement.
In the past, Trump has threatened to cut off federal aid to California unless the state eliminated its “sanctuary” law, which prohibits local police from asking people they arrest about their immigration status and from holding them for delivery to federal immigration agents. Federal courts have upheld the law, and the state has refused to repeal it.
Mind you, the observation about Trump was made in 2019, 5 years ago, well before the current disaster; Trump, again, is nothing if not consistent; I think the DEMs are smart enough to just let Trump and his gang of little MAGAts run out their little game until the midterms in 2026 when we'll see if the voters will let the GOP keep control of either chamber of Congress...
Regarding who is responsible for maintaining the fire readiness of forest and wild lands in CA, the Federal government actually is responsible for well over 50% of the lands in our state, making them Federal Lands, and that includes the Santa Monica Mountains range, which just happens to be the mountainside you see above the burned out area of Pacific Palisades and which was the origin of the fire storm that consumed that community...
...and, regarding those who are gleefully rubbing their little hands in anticipation of a recall of Gov. Newsom, they would do well to remember a couple of things; Firstly, Newsom is already termed out as Governor and will leave office after the next CA Governor's Election in 2026, so there really isn't going to be much of an appetite to spend vast sums of money and considerable effort to oust someone who is basically almost out the door, anyway...
Then there is the matter of history; there have been a few attempts at getting a recall of Newsom on the ballot, mainly from butthurt Far-Right GOP losers in CA who can't seem to grasp that the state's voters just really don't care for their brand of "government"; almost all of the efforts didn't get past the petition stage, with the petitions either garnering insufficient signatures or failing to meet requirements; there was one exception: in 2021 a recall petition actually made it to the ballot (not really a great achievement considering you only need to get the signatures on 10% of registered voters to get on the ballot) and the voters made their choice; on the question of whether Newsom should be ousted, a whopping 61.88% of the voters said "NO", beating out the 'Yes' tally by over 3,000,000 votes; the results were a particularly humiliating defeat for the the CA-GOP, to be added to a long list of similar fates for the party...
Now, you might argue, "Well, that was then and this is now", but then was 4 years ago and now really isn't any different, in terms of CA state politics; as of the last published stats by the CA Secretary Of State, dated July 5, 2024, the percentage of registered DEMS in CA is 46.19%; the percentage of GOP is 24.73%, and the percentage of No-Party-Preference/Third-Party totals 29.08%; the odds of the CA-GOP mustering up enough votes to be successful are very long...
So, let the CA-GOP trot out their little recall petitions and get their faces slapped once again by the CA voters; and it will make for quite a good campaign issue to point out how the CA-GOP wasted taxpayer money and resources tilting at their political windmills; I'm rather much think the voters will remember (and/or be reminded by the DEMs) of those GOP politicians who squandered their tax money for hopeless partisan posturing when the midterms and the General Elections come around again...
<O>
Ostfriese
01-18-25, 12:11 AM
Hey, America, are you still complaining about wasted tax money? How about this for a start:
https://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/20250116_Starship_Flight_7_breakup.jpg
That's about $200,000,000 of your precious taxes turned into mediocre fireworks.
- SpaceX's starship has already lost more rocket engines than the entire NASA space program ever.
- With it's first flight the Apollo program reached a stable orbit around Earth, carried a useful payload into orbit and demonstrated working technologies for further flights as well as the general ability to leave Earth's orbit. Starship has not achieved any of these.
- Apollo's seventh flight (Apollo 10) was the dress rehersal for the moon landing and transported three astronauts to the moon, who spent more than 60 hours in a lunar orbit. Starship's seventh flight saw the seventh loss of a Starship.
SpaceX has already burned more than five billion dollars without achieving anything. Why don't I hear complaints about this insane waste of tax payer's money from you?
Oh, right, it's Elon the Felon, and he's best buddy with You-Know-Who...
Trump-voting farmer warns crops will 'rot' if his workers get deported (https://www.rawstory.com/trump-backing-farmer-warns-crops-will-rot-if-his-workers-get-deported/)
Buddahaid
01-18-25, 10:46 AM
Canceled outdoor inauguration. I guess the big man with the lowest approval rating is afraid of poor turnout optics.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116677/Presidential-Approval-Ratings-Gallup-Historical-Statistics-Trends.aspx
https://news.gallup.com/poll/654698/trump-transition-ratings-better-second-time-around.aspx
Hey, America, are you still complaining about wasted tax money? How about this for a start:
https://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/20250116_Starship_Flight_7_breakup.jpg
That's about $200,000,000 of your precious taxes turned into mediocre fireworks.
- SpaceX's starship has already lost more rocket engines than the entire NASA space program ever.
- With it's first flight the Apollo program reached a stable orbit around Earth, carried a useful payload into orbit and demonstrated working technologies for further flights as well as the general ability to leave Earth's orbit. Starship has not achieved any of these.
- Apollo's seventh flight (Apollo 10) was the dress rehersal for the moon landing and transported three astronauts to the moon, who spent more than 60 hours in a lunar orbit. Starship's seventh flight saw the seventh loss of a Starship.
SpaceX has already burned more than five billion dollars without achieving anything. Why don't I hear complaints about this insane waste of tax payer's money from you?
Oh, right, it's Elon the Felon, and he's best buddy with You-Know-Who...
Oooh...
Be careful; dissing President Musk might get you in a heap of trouble; he might have his lackey Trump try to deport you... :03: :D
<O>
Canceled outdoor inauguration. I guess the big man with the lowest approval rating is afraid of poor turnout optics.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116677/Presidential-Approval-Ratings-Gallup-Historical-Statistics-Trends.aspx
https://news.gallup.com/poll/654698/trump-transition-ratings-better-second-time-around.aspx
Hmmm... :hmmm:
...a snowflake afraid of snowflakes... :03:
<O>
Is there any truth to the rumors North Korea's Kim offered to send NK troop in mufti to fill out the empty spaces in the Inaugural crowd to give Trump a "Yuuuge" crowd... :hmmm: :03:
<O>
In a Danish article it said:
"The Danish politicians and civil servants will be monitoring Trump's speech very closely"
It will not only be the Danes who will do this-Politicians from Canada, Panama and other countries will be monitoring his speech closely.
Markus
Is there any truth to the rumors North Korea's Kim offered to send NK troop in mufti to fill out the empty spaces in the Inaugural crowd to give Trump a "Yuuuge" crowd... :hmmm: :03:
<O>
:har::har:
Buddahaid
01-18-25, 08:25 PM
What mandate of the people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox3Y1YmU-PQ
Canceled outdoor inauguration. I guess the big man with the lowest approval rating is afraid of poor turnout optics.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116677/Presidential-Approval-Ratings-Gallup-Historical-Statistics-Trends.aspx
https://news.gallup.com/poll/654698/trump-transition-ratings-better-second-time-around.aspx
Congress issued 225,000 tickets and that's just for the ticketed areas. On friday when we picked up ours from our congress critters (we had to go to their offices) the lines were down the hallway and red hats were everwhere.
Now the weather here in DC Monday is supposed to be really bad. Dangerously cold and windy, not that you care except how it plays for your d*ck measuring game, but i'll bet Trump still fills that arena and there will be thousands more standing outside lining the route to the white house.
Because regardless of crowd size, come Monday afternoon Donald Trump is going to be your new president with a solid mandate from the people.
Buddahaid
01-18-25, 11:29 PM
And no other president elect has ever called in weather as a problem before and Trump supporters who have spent money to be there are pissed off.
Trump is showing off how wimpy he is. :Kaleun_Wink:
Are you going to be there?
Buddahaid
01-18-25, 11:45 PM
And is Pam Bondi qualified?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvUiRyg74-8
And no other president elect has ever called in weather as a problem before and Trump supporters who have spent money to be there are pissed off.
That is not at all true.
Ronald Reagan also took his oath of office in the Rotunda for the same exact reason. And I am a Trump supporter who has spent money to be here and I am not pissed off at all, nor are the other 9 people in our group, nor were the many Trump supporters we met friday. We're a little disappointed of course but we hardly blame Trump for the weather. If it's what has been forecast I have no doubt that there would have been people injured or killed and you'd have been first to claim their deaths were his fault for ignoring the warnings.
Besides, it was really cool to stand on the Washington Monument and gaze upon the White House while listing to an NBC reporter nearby describe the mood within as being "like a morgue". That almost makes up for the cancelled ceremony! :up:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nbc-casts-dark-light-on-biden-legacy-and-current-white-house-mood-like-a-morgue/ar-AA1xq7S1
Buddahaid
01-19-25, 12:12 AM
OK, but your nine are not the majority. See you on the other side next week.
OK, but your nine are not the majority. See you on the other side next week.
And you claim to know the minds of the majority? Is that all 77 million who voted for him or just the 225 thousand who got tickets to attend the ceremony?
I'm talking about real people. You are just regurgitating some democrat propaganda you heard.
Buddahaid
01-19-25, 01:38 AM
Um yeah, sure, whatever. I don't claim anything other than what the statistics show. The 225 million will be disappointed as very few of them will be there and they were not there in 2016 as any photo will show. Your man is still a charlatan.
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.