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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/trump-administration-accidentally-texted-me-its-war-plans/682151/
"Lets make sure our messaging is tight there." :har::hmmm:
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Catfish
03-25-25, 02:03 PM
bloody brilliant lol
Buddahaid
03-25-25, 10:31 PM
And to sink the “Dog ate my homework” elementary school kids in the Principals’s office excuse offered up before Congress, here are the Biden era memos regarding cell phone use.
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/guidance-mobile-communications-best-practices.pdf
https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-UseOfUnclassMobileApps.pdf
Otto Harkaman
03-25-25, 10:57 PM
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https://ell.h-cdn.co/assets/16/28/1600x800/landscape-1468257712-hillary-clinton-and-jimmy-fallon.jpg
Buddahaid
03-26-25, 07:58 AM
Pennsylvania loses a MAGA Senate seat in a special election. That’s two now with the 5th District in Oregon.
“A very safe +15 Trump State Senate Seat in Pennsylvania flipped to blue as Democrat James Malone pulled off a stunning upset.”
Pennsylvania loses a MAGA Senate seat in a special election. That’s two now with the 5th District in Oregon.
No, that's one from each house of Congress.
Buddahaid
03-26-25, 10:07 AM
It's two seats flipped in Congress. The last time a seat in Pennsylvania flipped like that was in 1889 or so which shows that Trump's performance since Jan 20th is losing voter base for MAGA. Keep up the great work.
u crank
03-26-25, 12:14 PM
It's two seats flipped in Congress.
No I don't think so. The Pennsylvania Senate seat that flipped is a state office. John Fetterman and Dave McCormick are still the Senators from Pennsylvania.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MERwAvesX9o&pp=0gcJCb0Ag7Wk3p_U
https://i.imgur.com/PM8LmXT.jpg
VipertheSniper
03-26-25, 03:01 PM
what good is the best encryption if you're too incompetent to make sure nobody who's not supposed to see your communications is not part of the communications? And it's not like there aren't official tools for secure communications, where the chance of this happening would've been very diminished.
Catfish
03-26-25, 03:10 PM
^ this is the elephant in the room.
And b.t.w.
Russian hackers snoop signal accounts
https://www.politico.eu/article/russian-hackers-snoop-ukrainian-signal-accounts-google-report/
Buddahaid
03-26-25, 03:14 PM
https://i.imgur.com/PM8LmXT.jpg
Quite so but expressly not authorized for non-public DoD information.
https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-UseOfUnclassMobileApps.pdf
"10. Unmanaged 'messaging apps,' including any app with a chat feature, regardless of the
primary function, are NOT authorized to access, transmit, process non-public DoD
information. This includes but is not limited to messaging, gaming, and social media
apps. (i.e., iMessage, WhatsApps, Signal). An Exception to Policy (E2P) request must be
submitted by the appropriate Component for use of an unmanaged messaging app that is
critical to fulfilling mission operations at https://rmfks.osd.mil/dode2p."
VipertheSniper
03-26-25, 03:24 PM
^ this is the elephant in the room.
And b.t.w.
Russian hackers snoop signal accounts
https://www.politico.eu/article/russian-hackers-snoop-ukrainian-signal-accounts-google-report/
And group chats, apart from the obvious thing which happened here, are also not as secure as communication between only 2 parties when it comes to encryption
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0_lcKrUdWg
In Signal, each group message is treated as a direct message to the receivers. So if there are N participants, signal client sends N messages individually encrypted with the ratchet key of each participant. The rat(s) in the kitchen in these apps are always the participants, they can betray the whole trust the code in Signal is sound and working as it should.
Skybird
03-26-25, 05:02 PM
[FOCUS] Following the erroneous transmission of the operational plan for a US military attack on the Yemeni Houthi militia to a journalist, the news magazine “Der Spiegel” reports on another serious security breach in the US government. According to a “Spiegel” report published on Wednesday, private contact details of US President Donald Trump's most important security advisors can be viewed on the internet.
According to the report, journalists searched commercial personal search engines and hacked customer data published online. They found private mobile numbers, email addresses and sometimes even passwords for National Security Advisor Mike Waltz, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Intelligence Coordinator Tulsi Gabbard, among others.
Most of these numbers and email addresses are apparently still being used by those affected, writes Der Spiegel. The contact details that can be viewed online are linked to profiles on the online service Instagram and the career network LinkedIn, among others. They were also used to create accounts in the cloud service Dropbox and profiles in apps that record running data.
According to the report, Gabbard and Waltz's numbers are even linked to accounts in the messenger services WhatsApp and Signal. According to Der Spiegel, this could enable hostile intelligence services to infect the devices of members of the government with spyware.
It is even “conceivable” that foreign agents were reading along when Gabbard, Waltz and Hegseth exchanged information about an attack on the Houthi militia on Signal in mid-March, the magazine writes. According to Der Spiegel, Gabbard, Waltz and Hegseth initially left inquiries from the magazine unanswered.
Skybird
03-26-25, 05:07 PM
Electronic communication is comfortable.
Its not safe.
It already starts with that you do not know who it is who receives at the other end of the link: you cant look him in the eyes.
Weeks earlier, Five Eyes had stopped sharing critical intel with the US services.
apps. (i.e., iMessage, WhatsApps, Signal). An Exception to Policy (E2P) request must be
submitted by the appropriate Component for use of an unmanaged messaging app that is
critical to fulfilling mission operations at https://rmfks.osd.mil/dode2p."
That link brings up a Firefox potential security risk warning that hackers might steal personal information, and you claim a Biden staffer wrote it?
Buddahaid
03-26-25, 07:09 PM
I don't get the warning. It's a DOD document dated Oct. 6, 2023, from the Chief Information Officer, John Sherman and cleared for open publication Oct. 11, 2023.
He will go down in history as the most corrupt POTUS ever.:Kaleun_Cheers:
Well, maybe but our own Joey, eh will be and embarrassment forever.
Electronic communication is comfortable.
Its not safe.
It already starts with that you do not know who it is who receives at the other end of the link: you cant look him in the eyes.
Weeks earlier, Five Eyes had stopped sharing critical intel with the US services.
We,Know
Electronic communication is comfortable.
Its not safe.
It already starts with that you do not know who it is who receives at the other end of the link: you cant look him in the eyes.
Weeks earlier, Five Eyes had stopped sharing critical intel with the US services.
Yes, But Emojis are the new form of communications.
[FOCUS] Following the erroneous transmission of the operational plan for a US military attack on the Yemeni Houthi militia to a journalist, the news magazine “Der Spiegel” reports on another serious security breach in the US government. According to a “Spiegel” report published on Wednesday, private contact details of US President Donald Trump's most important security advisors can be viewed on the internet.
According to the report, journalists searched commercial personal search engines and hacked customer data published online. They found private mobile numbers, email addresses and sometimes even passwords for National Security Advisor Mike Waltz, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Intelligence Coordinator Tulsi Gabbard, among others.
Most of these numbers and email addresses are apparently still being used by those affected, writes Der Spiegel. The contact details that can be viewed online are linked to profiles on the online service Instagram and the career network LinkedIn, among others. They were also used to create accounts in the cloud service Dropbox and profiles in apps that record running data.
According to the report, Gabbard and Waltz's numbers are even linked to accounts in the messenger services WhatsApp and Signal. According to Der Spiegel, this could enable hostile intelligence services to infect the devices of members of the government with spyware.
It is even “conceivable” that foreign agents were reading along when Gabbard, Waltz and Hegseth exchanged information about an attack on the Houthi militia on Signal in mid-March, the magazine writes. According to Der Spiegel, Gabbard, Waltz and Hegseth initially left inquiries from the magazine unanswered.
Just don't bring up the Chinese balloon crossing America.That was a security breach over our military installations that Americans never got a answer for. But hey Democracy. Right I'm with you baby. And as a new Democrat,We damn sure don't want to revisit the Balloon. And as a inductee i've been told to shut my mouth. OK
Buddahaid
03-26-25, 07:33 PM
Well, maybe but our own Joey, eh will be and embarrassment forever.
Yeah, it's embarrassing to MAGA that he beat Trump in 2020 and left office with a booming economy.
Yeah, it's embarrassing to MAGA that he beat Trump in 2020 and left office with a booming economy.
Well, We beat his ass down and got him out. And brother i don't know what happened we were bringing change.We had the sheep squeezed after the virus we had it All.We Democrats like Tony Montana,We had it until this guy came along. And now the problem for us . He won a landslide victory, And the sheep we counted on shot us in the back. Well they will pay for that. Right ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MERwAvesX9o&pp=0gcJCb0Ag7Wk3p_U
Don't know who this guy is. Stage is good and he talks good. Resistance is good,Sun Tzu :up::up:
Otto Harkaman
03-26-25, 09:08 PM
Yeah, it's embarrassing to MAGA that he beat Trump in 2020 and left office with a booming economy.
? We still don't know who was running the country
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LugAAOSwFzdhZxNI/s-l1200.jpg
In Signal, each group message is treated as a direct message to the receivers. So if there are N participants, signal client sends N messages individually encrypted with the ratchet key of each participant. The rat(s) in the kitchen in these apps are always the participants, they can betray the whole trust the code in Signal is sound and working as it should.
Well it's a good thing, They don't know we still use the enigma! :up:
Yeah, it's embarrassing to MAGA that he beat Trump in 2020 and left office with a booming economy.
Booming? You're insane. It has only partially recovered from Covid pandemic.
Pedo Joe also left us with $8 dollar eggs, 20% inflation, the worst border crisis in US history, billions upon billions of dollars in government fraud, billions more in weapons and equipment handed over to the Taliban during the botched Afghanistan exit, politically weaponized federal agencies, collapsed military recruitment and much much more.
Hell he is such a looser that his own party kicked him out as their candidate.
No it's your "10% for the Big Guy" who is going to be the one who goes down as the most corrupt president ever. Bank on it.
? We still don't know who was running the country
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LugAAOSwFzdhZxNI/s-l1200.jpg
Look, Just because he looking at something on a wall. Doesn't disqualify JOE.
You just don't know the warmth he has brought to this country. There are millions of people he has opened the gates to the land of milk and honey. And i love Joe and the Democrats.
But when i try to Qualify, for the milk and honey. For some reason every time i check that white box i get, disqualified i love the idea of socialism, but why am i disqualified if i check the white box ?
I posted this in the funny picture thread but I think it fits here too!! :yep:
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Booming? You're insane. It has only partially recovered from Covid pandemic.
Pedo Joe also left us with $8 dollar eggs, 20% inflation, the worst border crisis in US history, billions upon billions of dollars in government fraud, billions more in weapons and equipment handed over to the Taliban during the botched Afghanistan exit, politically weaponized federal agencies, collapsed military recruitment and much much more.
Hell he is such a looser that his own party kicked him out as their candidate.
No it's your "10% for the Big Guy" who is going to be the one who goes down as the most corrupt president ever. Bank on it.
Here he is over here, He never answered my Question. :doh:
I posted this in the funny picture thread but I think it fits here too!! :yep:
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You left out, all the willing, The coalition who wants to Fight Today. The ones who are in business suites. They are the ones who want to send your kids to war. they will not be on the front line. Why do you show them as all being Nazis ? You don't think we can't see our own socialist representatives in that Picture. ?
Buddahaid
03-26-25, 10:39 PM
Booming? You're insane. It has only partially recovered from Covid pandemic.
Pedo Joe also left us with $8 dollar eggs, 20% inflation, the worst border crisis in US history, billions upon billions of dollars in government fraud, billions more in weapons and equipment handed over to the Taliban during the botched Afghanistan exit, politically weaponized federal agencies, collapsed military recruitment and much much more.
Hell he is such a looser that his own party kicked him out as their candidate.
No it's your "10% for the Big Guy" who is going to be the one who goes down as the most corrupt president ever. Bank on it.
Le sigh! Your man is trashing our economy and he’s losing the non kool-aid drinking TDS fan base that helped him limp into office. Why is he trashing it? I’m guessing he wants his oligarch “friends” to buyout all the failed businesses because it makes no sense otherwise.
What’s a looser?
If I told the GOP from twenty years ago the POTUS was pro-Russian and spurning NATO they'd think that was crazy and I was crazy. It is crazy and it's incredibly stupid.
Otto Harkaman
03-26-25, 11:32 PM
Well what can I say, I knew it was going to hurt, I said so many posts back. He is going to take us to church and reshape it so that the Republic is Great Again.
Funny people can't think farther back in history and keep thinking Trump is Hitler. No he is someone perhaps just as dangerous in his way.
I think Trump is more like Doge Enrico Dandolo than Marx (add Hitler) :hmmm:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Gustave_dore_crusades_dandolo_preaching_the_crusad e.jpg
Dandolo Preaching the Crusade by Gustave Doré
Le sigh! Your man is trashing our economy and he’s losing the non kool-aid drinking TDS fan base that helped him limp into office. Why is he trashing it? I’m guessing he wants his oligarch “friends” to buyout all the failed businesses because it makes no sense otherwise.
What’s a looser?
If I told the GOP from twenty years ago the POTUS was pro-Russian and spurning NATO they'd think that was crazy and I was crazy. It is crazy and it's incredibly stupid.
Baby it's Bernie and Cortez, For the future. Ive, switched and i agree we need another Grandpa dedicated communist and a 27 year old socialist to lead the country. But i'm not sure she can absorb all the lgbtq+ that want her. How can she not fall to her own sexual desires and forget the people . No rock stars have been able to do it at her age.
Well what can I say, I knew it was going to hurt, I said so many posts back. He is going to take us to church and reshape it so that the Republic is Great Again.
Funny people can't think farther back in history and keep thinking Trump is Hitler. No he is someone perhaps just as dangerous in his way.
Well, If you can have Ocasio for one night, will you wake as a Caesar ? And demolish all, upon the rising sun ? And how many people would you be willing to kill. To keep your Face diving for Democracy.
Look do your job, And when our objectives are complete. We will send you a scratch and sniff in the mail.
Thank you,That's something , Even we Democrat young men don't get to see.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MhpHSs16ouY&pp=ygUSU3RlcGhlbiAgY29sYmVydCAg
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AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 07:39 AM
Yeah, it's embarrassing to MAGA that he beat Trump in 2020 and left office with a booming economy.
Booming economy when money is printed. The status quo is no longer going to hold water. The government must wrangle in the frivolous drunken spending.
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 07:42 AM
Le sigh! Your man is trashing our economy and he’s losing the non kool-aid drinking TDS fan base that helped him limp into office. Why is he trashing it? I’m guessing he wants his oligarch “friends” to buyout all the failed businesses because it makes no sense otherwise.
What’s a looser?
If I told the GOP from twenty years ago the POTUS was pro-Russian and spurning NATO they'd think that was crazy and I was crazy. It is crazy and it's incredibly stupid.
Printing money is a made up economy. That is were we have been for the last 4 years.
The ultimate goal with tariffs is getting companies back in America and the American worker working again.
Further, the fed interest rate etc is not controlled by Donald. The fed farts the wrong way the market tanks.
What’s a looser?
If you mean the word itself its called a Comparative Adjective. Look it up you might learn something.
If you mean who is a looser then i'd say that is the Democratic party. Your party lost the White House and both houses of Congress against a man you have torn the country apart trying to villainize for nearly a decade.
What's your parties approval rating now, still down in the dumps at around 20%?
Meanwhile more Americans feel that the country is going in the right direction than have since 2004. :shucks:
As for these foreign entanglements. Your party has strung Ukraine along for years now. Never giving them enough to actually prevail against the Russian, no, they get just enough to just loose slowly because Ukrainian national survival is not what is important to your party but rather how much the Military Industrial Complex can profit from it and of course getting those all important kickbacks for the Big Guy. I don't agree with every move Trump is taking to end it but it will result in the Ukraine surviving. That's not what was going to happen if you people remained in charge.
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 08:29 AM
If you mean the word itself its called a Comparative Adjective. Look it up you might learn something.
If you mean who is a looser then i'd say that is the Democratic party. Your party lost the White House and both houses of Congress against a man you have torn the country apart trying to villainize for nearly a decade.
What's your parties approval rating now, still down in the dumps at around 20%?
Meanwhile more Americans feel that the country is going in the right direction than have since 2004. :shucks:
As for these foreign entanglements. Your party has strung Ukraine along for years now. Never giving them enough to actually prevail against the Russian, no, they get just enough to just loose slowly because Ukrainian national survival is not what is important to your party but rather how much the Military Industrial Complex can profit from it and of course getting those all important kickbacks for the Big Guy.
The loser is not Trump. Even CNN poll has Trump with a high approval rating. :salute:
Those words, spoken by your President, made me truly sad:
“We have to have that land because it’s not possible to properly defend a large section of this Earth, not just the United States, without it,” Trump said.
“It’s an island that from a defensive posture, and even offensive posture, is something we need, especially with the world the way it is, and we’re going to have to have it,” he said.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/27/trump-reiterates-us-must-have-greenland-ahead-of-jd-vance-visit
Markus
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 11:36 AM
Those words, spoken by your President, made me truly sad:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/27/trump-reiterates-us-must-have-greenland-ahead-of-jd-vance-visit
Markus
He can talk about it. It actually happening is a different story. I would not worry about it.
He can talk about it. It actually happening is a different story. I would not worry about it.
I hope you're right.
USA have an agreement with Denmark in which USA can place as many soldiers and weapons they want on that island-Furthermore USA have only themselves to blame-Right after WWII there were 60.000 + soldiers on Greenland-Today it is less than 400 men.
Markus
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 11:46 AM
I hope you're right.
USA have an agreement with Denmark in which USA can place as many soldiers and weapons they want on that island-Furthermore USA have only themselves to blame-Right after WWII there were 60.000 + soldiers on Greenland-Today it is less than 400 men.
Markus
The agreement is to place soldiers and weapons if needed/want. I see no reason too and neither does Congress. Talk about a waist of tax payer dollars. Do not lose sleep over this.
Skybird
03-27-25, 12:11 PM
Oh, do lose sleep over this - you have reason to. Trump is not rational, but emotional, as I say time and again: its about revenge for an offended sick ego. He wants to pay back to the Europeans. Namely the Germans, but the others as well.
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I also wonder whether Trump really knows how "small" Greenland in fact really is. Standard maps blow its size out of proportions due to projection errors. This is how it really compares:
https://i.postimg.cc/L8JW4L2D/1.png (https://postimages.org/)
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Buddahaid
03-27-25, 12:15 PM
Beryl Howell basically tells Trump to pound sand as he tries to unconstitutionally retaliate against law firms.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.278290/gov.uscourts.dcd.278290.36.0_1.pdf
C. The Instant Case
Finally, as is clearly laid out in the “Purpose” section of EO 14230, “issues of the Durham
investigation, the Fusion GPS report, and the Mueller Report are central to the EO.” Defs.’ Mot.
at 6; see also EO 14230, § 1, 90 Fed. Reg. at 11781. Defendants take issue with what they call the
Court’s “concerning and dismissive approach to the entire Durham Investigation” and “[t]he entire
Fusion GPS fiasco.” Defs.’ Mot. at 6. While styling this as an accusation about purported bias in
the Court’s “[c]onduct,” id., at its core, this objection appears to be that the Court has not given
sufficient deference to how President Trump views these and other events as “dishonest and
dangerous activity of the law firm,” EO 14230, § 1, 90 Fed. Reg. at 11781, and “actions that
threaten our elections, military strength, and national security,” Fact Sheet: President Donald J.
Trump Addresses Risks from Perkins Coie LLP, The White House (Mar. 6, 2025),
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/03/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-adresses
risks-from-perkins-coie-llp/. While the President and his administration are promoting an
expansive view of presidential authority and claimed that any decisions purportedly made in the
name of national security are judicially nonreviewable, see, e.g., Tr. of Mar. 12, 2025, Temporary
Restraining Order Hr’g (“TRO Hr’g Tr.”) at 30:6–35:12, ECF No. 22; see also id. at 45:23–48:11
(defense counsel explaining defendants’ position that “the President has that power, and that it is
the right and prerogative of the President as the sole individual vested with Article II authority to
exercise that prerogative”), that legally debatable claim is at the heart of the challenge in this case,
see, e.g., id. at 18:7–21:6 (plaintiff’s counsel articulating position that the President’s conduct
violated fundamental constitutional rights and that the use of “the ‘national security’ words are a
pretext”); id. at 62:24–64:22 (plaintiff’s counsel further articulating plaintiff’s position that the
President’s actions exceeded his constitutional authority). The mere fact that the Court, in an
emergency hearing on a temporary restraining order held less than 24 hours after the filing of the
motion, did not immediately adopt defendants’ legal arguments about the level of deference owed
to the President, even when a national security justification is asserted, does not mean bias exists
when foundational constitutional principles and norms are also at stake.
Moreover, defendants’ motion mischaracterizes the discussion of Fusion GPS and the
Mueller investigation. While noting possible “big differences of view” on these topics, the Court
took “at face value” “[t]he President’s perspective” on the issue and used this viewpoint to evaluate
the likely legality of EO 14230. TRO Hr’g Tr. at 32:15–33:16; see also id. at 33:21–43:14
(questioning defendants’ counsel about aspects of the legality of the order). The Court recognized
that President Trump is “certainly entitled to his own beliefs, entitled to his preferred causes, and
he is entitled to hold tight to his own dislikes.” Id. at 103:19-21. As a legal matter, however, the
Court found at this stage that “[t]he Constitution protects all [Americans] . . . from the exercise of
[the President’s] targeted power based on those dislikes, to bring the force of the federal
government down on the lawyers representing his political opponents and challengers to his
political actions, as he has done here.” Id. at 103:22–104:1.
As this case continues, pursuant to the briefing schedule jointly proposed by the parties,
Joint Status Report ¶ 3, ECF No. 25, and adopted by the Court, Order, ECF No. 26, the parties will
have the opportunity to present relevant evidence and legal arguments, which will receive full,
fair, and impartial consideration, as does every case before this Court. To the extent the parties
disagree with the final judgment entered, the normal judicial process of appeal applies. See FED.
R. APP. P. 4. Defendants’ disagreements, no matter how strong, with this Court’s preliminary legal
determinations simply provide no basis for disqualification. Liteky, 510 U.S. at 555.
III.
CONCLUSION AND ORDER
For the reasons addressed above, defendants’ motion to disqualify this Court pursuant to
28 U.S.C. § 455, ECF No. 34, which relies only on speculation, innuendo, and basic legal
disagreements that provide no basis for disqualification of a judge, must be denied. Therefore, it
is hereby—
ORDERED that defendants’ Motion to Disqualify Judge Beryl Howell, ECF No. 34, is
DENIED.
SO ORDERED.
Date: March 26, 2025
__________________________
BERYL A. HOWELL
United States District Judge
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 12:41 PM
CONCLUSION AND ORDER
For the reasons addressed above, defendants’ motion to disqualify this Court pursuant to
28 U.S.C. § 455, ECF No. 34, which relies only on speculation, innuendo, and basic legal
disagreements that provide no basis for disqualification of a judge, must be denied. Therefore, it
is hereby—
ORDERED that defendants’ Motion to Disqualify Judge Beryl Howell, ECF No. 34, is
DENIED.
SO ORDERED.
Date: March 26, 2025
__________________________
BERYL A. HOWELL
United States District Judge
Do judges back judges whether right or wrong? Legitimate question. It has been well known since the inception of a badge that there is police collusion. Doe this extend to the bench in some cases?
Buddahaid
03-27-25, 01:07 PM
Do judges back judges whether right or wrong? Legitimate question. It has been well known since the inception of a badge that there is police collusion. Doe this extend to the bench in some cases?
In a word, no. This decision can be appealed to the DC Appeals Court which will make a ruling on it based on the merits and legal president, and that ruling can be further appealed to the SCOTUS who may or may not take the case. In general, the SCOTUS doesn't make arguments for or against, but rules on the arguments presented to them.
Trump just lost by 2 to 1 a DC Appeals Court ruling over the AEA case presided over by Boasberg and the injunction which still stands. I've been trying to get the actual Court documents on that to show the opinion arguments, but I don't have the header info to search with.
It's Article 3 powers to interpret the law.
Jeff-Groves
03-27-25, 01:11 PM
In a word, no.
"In a word, no." My ass! 'Kids for Cash' comes to mind.
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 01:15 PM
In a word, no. This decision can be appealed to the DC Appeals Court which will make a ruling on it based on the merits and legal president, and that ruling can be further appealed to the SCOTUS who may or may not take the case. In general, the SCOTUS doesn't make arguments for or against, but rules on the arguments presented to them.
Trump just lost by 2 to 1 a DC Appeals Court ruling over the AEA case presided over by Boasberg and the injunction which still stands. I've been trying to get the actual Court documents on that to show the opinion arguments, but I don't have the header info to search with.
It's Article 3 powers to interpret the law.
Sorry, I do not believe that. Judges have been known to be crooked. "Disturbing evolution
Our Constitution intended that only elected lawmakers be permitted to create law.
Yet judges create their own law in the judicial system based on their own opinions and rulings. It's called case law, and it is churned out daily through the rulings of judges. When a judge hands down a ruling and that ruling survives appeal with the next tier of judges, it then becomes case law, or legal precedent. This now happens so consistently that we've become more subject to the case rulings of judges rather than to laws made by the lawmaking bodies outlined in our Constitution.
This case-law system is a constitutional nightmare because it continuously modifies constitutional intent. For lawyers, however, it creates endless business opportunities. That's because case law is technically complicated and requires a lawyer's expertise to guide and move you through the system. The judicial system may begin with enacted laws, but the variations that result from a judge's application of case law all too often change the ultimate meaning."
Not only are Trump’s top security advisors discussing attack plans on Yemen on Signal - their mobile numbers, E-Mail and passwords can be found in commercial databases and publicly available leaks... https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/pete-hegseth-mike-waltz-tulsi-gabbard-private-data-and-passwords-of-senior-u-s-security-officials-found-online-a-14221f90-e5c2-48e5-bc63-10b705521fb7?sara_ref=re-so-app-shThe information above was fetched from some of the public leak databases going around internet. This particular leak is from 2016, so the account was created before that. The password used was consistent with other similar accounts allegedly linked to Hegseth. Timofey V (https://x.com/realTimaV) was able to create a new account with the username phegseth@mail.ru, which indicates that,
The account was deleted by the owner or scrapped by the service
The data itself is garbage, red herring, and it was added there by someone as a decoy
VipertheSniper
03-27-25, 02:22 PM
Sorry, I do not believe that. Judges have been known to be crooked. "Disturbing evolution
Our Constitution intended that only elected lawmakers be permitted to create law.
Yet judges create their own law in the judicial system based on their own opinions and rulings. It's called case law, and it is churned out daily through the rulings of judges. When a judge hands down a ruling and that ruling survives appeal with the next tier of judges, it then becomes case law, or legal precedent. This now happens so consistently that we've become more subject to the case rulings of judges rather than to laws made by the lawmaking bodies outlined in our Constitution.
This case-law system is a constitutional nightmare because it continuously modifies constitutional intent. For lawyers, however, it creates endless business opportunities. That's because case law is technically complicated and requires a lawyer's expertise to guide and move you through the system. The judicial system may begin with enacted laws, but the variations that result from a judge's application of case law all too often change the ultimate meaning."
So which case law are you so upset by, that you want judges and lawyers to reinvent the wheel everytime they are going to court, instead of drawing upon about 250 years of precedent?
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 02:25 PM
The information above was fetched from some of the public leak databases going around internet. This particular leak is from 2016, so the account was created before that. The password used was consistent with other similar accounts allegedly linked to Hegseth. Timofey V (https://x.com/realTimaV) was able to create a new account with the username phegseth@mail.ru, which indicates that,
The account was deleted by the owner or scrapped by the service
The data itself is garbage, red herring, and it was added there by someone as a decoy
It appears to me the Dems are desperately trying to create a scandal. Selective moral outrage. These same people made intentional or attempted breaches.
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 02:28 PM
So which case law are you so upset by, that you want judges and lawyers to reinvent the wheel everytime they are going to court, instead of drawing upon about 250 years of precedent?
Not upset with any case law. The question concerned collusion among judges. Does it exist or not.
Jeff-Groves
03-27-25, 02:31 PM
250 years of precedent?
That don't mean Jack ****. A Judge is just as able to go rogue as any other occupation that has power. Ya'll act like Judges are Christ returned from the dead. Next you'll say Priests never had sex with young Boys.
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 02:38 PM
That don't mean Jack ****. A Judge is just as able to go rogue as any other occupation that has power. Ya'll act like Judges are Christ returned from the dead.
For the win. If anyone bets there is no collusion they would lose that bet.
Jeff-Groves
03-27-25, 02:40 PM
Give it time and Trump will be blamed for the buggery of young kids by Priests.
We dodged such a huge bullet. Imagine electing a president that believes free speech is just a privilege.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRo5m4s16aA
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 02:43 PM
She is a dingbat.
Re: Greenland
Now Putin had his say on the topic
(translated from a short notice)
"
US is serious about Greenland, says Putin
Russian President Vladimir Putin commented on the US interest in Greenland at a press conference on Thursday, writes Reuters.
Here he says that the US interest in Greenland is sincere and has been for a long time.
At the same time, Vladimir Putin says that Russia will defend its interests in the area, as the country is concerned that NATO sees the Arctic as a future conflict zone
"
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 02:48 PM
Re: Greenland
Now Putin had his say on the topic
(translated from a short notice)
"
US is serious about Greenland, says Putin
Russian President Vladimir Putin commented on the US interest in Greenland at a press conference on Thursday, writes Reuters.
Here he says that the US interest in Greenland is sincere and has been for a long time.
At the same time, Vladimir Putin says that Russia will defend its interests in the area, as the country is concerned that NATO sees the Arctic as a future conflict zone
"
Waiting on Putin to say something. At the end of the day, nothing is going to happen.
AVGWarhawk
03-27-25, 02:51 PM
I will need to check on the validity of this claim. But it makes sense.
"Wondering what would possess a federal judge to order planes in the air filled with illegals who are gang criminals to turn around?
How about his daughter, Katherine, whose employer is Partners for Justice, an organization that provides legal support to criminal illegal aliens and gang members. PFJ receives 76% of its funding from government grants.
The organization actively opposes deportations, mass incarceration and laws targeting violent gangs like Tren de Aragua. PFJ takes credit for eliminating 5,000 years of prison time for illegals since 2018.
Shortly after Laura Loomer connected these dots, Katherine Boasberg deleted her Linkedin and Instagram accounts in an attempt to scrub her connections from public view.
This connection raises a major ethical red flag. The Code of Conduct for U.S. Judges states that judges must disqualify themselves from cases where their impartiality could be questioned. Specifically, it states that a judge should step aside when a close family member has an interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding.
Loomer’s reporting makes it clear that this is not just a minor ethical issue—it’s a serious conflict that could impact national security. The judge overseeing these deportation cases should not have any personal connections to groups that stand to gain from his rulings. And yet, here we are, with a sitting U.S. judge making decisions that align perfectly with his daughter’s professional interests. " -Marjie Lewis
Buddahaid
03-27-25, 03:10 PM
"In a word, no." My ass! 'Kids for Cash' comes to mind.
Gee they were convicted so the system works.:Kaleun_Wink:
VipertheSniper
03-27-25, 03:11 PM
That don't mean Jack ****. A Judge is just as able to go rogue as any other occupation that has power. Ya'll act like Judges are Christ returned from the dead. Next you'll say Priests never had sex with young Boys.
Yeah sure, they are, after all human, but blatantly disregarding the judges rules of ethics/code of conduct or whatever you want to call it, will get you pulled off the bench pretty quick.
I mean a judge not too long ago got stripped of his judgeship after he admitted during a jury selection process (he was to sit on the jury, not preside over the case) that he thinks everyone coming into his court as the accused is guilty.
Also: What would be the alternative?
Have computers work it out? Which would also have to be programmed by humans? You won't be able to get the human element out of rulings. The laws were made by humans, not gods or perfectly logical beings. The circumstances of a case were created by humans, investigated by humans and in court are argued by humans. Interpretation of the law will always be required as you can't possibly think of all possible circumstances.
Aktungbby
03-27-25, 03:26 PM
That don't mean Jack ****. A Judge is just as able to go rogue as any other occupation that has power. Ya'll act like Judges are Christ returned from the dead. Next you'll say Priests never had sex with young Boys.
Give it time and Trump will be blamed for the buggery of young kids by Priests.:hmmm:...methinks thou doth protestant too much!:shucks::O:
VipertheSniper
03-27-25, 05:15 PM
I will need to check on the validity of this claim. But it makes sense.
"Wondering what would possess a federal judge to order planes in the air filled with illegals who are gang criminals to turn around?
How about his daughter, Katherine, whose employer is Partners for Justice, an organization that provides legal support to criminal illegal aliens and gang members. PFJ receives 76% of its funding from government grants.
The organization actively opposes deportations, mass incarceration and laws targeting violent gangs like Tren de Aragua. PFJ takes credit for eliminating 5,000 years of prison time for illegals since 2018.
Shortly after Laura Loomer connected these dots, Katherine Boasberg deleted her Linkedin and Instagram accounts in an attempt to scrub her connections from public view.
This connection raises a major ethical red flag. The Code of Conduct for U.S. Judges states that judges must disqualify themselves from cases where their impartiality could be questioned. Specifically, it states that a judge should step aside when a close family member has an interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding.
Loomer’s reporting makes it clear that this is not just a minor ethical issue—it’s a serious conflict that could impact national security. The judge overseeing these deportation cases should not have any personal connections to groups that stand to gain from his rulings. And yet, here we are, with a sitting U.S. judge making decisions that align perfectly with his daughter’s professional interests. " -Marjie Lewis
Yeah, what would possess a judge to do that....? Maybe trying to ascertain if everyone on the flight is a violent criminal/member of Tren de Aragua before they get sent to a hard labor camp on the mere assumption of being members of the gang. Homan is even admitting that ICE is picking up completely innocent people.
Here is the complete opinion on the case to stay the TRO before the appeals court
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cadc.41844/gov.uscourts.cadc.41844.01208724047.0_3.pdf
if you really are interested in why they ruled how they ruled.
If a hack like Loomer can turn up these supposed connections, why isn't the DOJ arguing that, instead of whatever they argued? I've listened in on the appeals court hearing but the DOJs attorney was moving in circles around habeas corpus motions that should've been brought in Texas.
if you want to hear the whole ordeal, knock yourself out:
https://www.youtube.com/live/4DoTLGECQSU?si=r7YJWtJANcXTVra6
Buddahaid
03-27-25, 05:35 PM
Sorry, I do not believe that. Judges have been known to be crooked. "Disturbing evolution
Our Constitution intended that only elected lawmakers be permitted to create law.
Yet judges create their own law in the judicial system based on their own opinions and rulings. It's called case law, and it is churned out daily through the rulings of judges. When a judge hands down a ruling and that ruling survives appeal with the next tier of judges, it then becomes case law, or legal precedent. This now happens so consistently that we've become more subject to the case rulings of judges rather than to laws made by the lawmaking bodies outlined in our Constitution.
This case-law system is a constitutional nightmare because it continuously modifies constitutional intent. For lawyers, however, it creates endless business opportunities. That's because case law is technically complicated and requires a lawyer's expertise to guide and move you through the system. The judicial system may begin with enacted laws, but the variations that result from a judge's application of case law all too often change the ultimate meaning."
That sounds just like Article 3 in action.
Judges are subject to their judgement being overridden by appeals courts and they can be removed from office. The system has a way of correcting itself.
Just because someone, oh let's say Trump, doesn't like a ruling doesn't make it wrong or radical activist.
Ostfriese
03-28-25, 01:41 AM
Give it time and Trump will be blamed for the buggery of young kids by Priests.
And as we all know from this thread: baseless, stupid, idiotic and wrong accusations are only allowed if the target is Biden or Harris or Clinton. :D
Catfish
03-28-25, 05:05 AM
Why Trump hates Europe, and it is not about freeloading.
He generally hates everyone who has another opinion, or better reasons, and dares to openly say it. So much about free speech or caring about basic rights.
"During his first term, Trump had hardly any of his own people and had to rely on established Republicans. Think of Defense Secretary Mattis, National Security Advisor McMaster, and General Kelly as Chief of Staff. They kept Trump in line on security policy.
He never forgave them for that. Trump could never be Trump in his first term. Now we are seeing a more experienced, more determined, more ruthless, and more malicious Trump than we have ever seen.
And we are seeing a Trump who is promoting outsiders like Hegseth and the Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard to the top. They are dependent on Trump's goodwill and are implementing exactly what he has in mind.
This includes fantasies of retaliation against Europeans who repeatedly reviled Trump during his first term, who ridiculed his political style, and who celebrated his 2020 election defeat. Now is payback time for Trump. It's not about long-term strategy, it's about revenge."
This includes fantasies of retaliation against Europeans who repeatedly reviled Trump during his first term, who ridiculed his political style, and who celebrated his 2020 election defeat. Now is payback time for Trump. It's not about long-term strategy, it's about revenge."[/i]
If that's the case, I suggest you find a hole to hunker down in. :D:up:
Ostfriese
03-28-25, 10:16 AM
If that's the case, I suggest you find a hole to hunker down in. :D:up:
Considering how "competent" his minions are you are far rmore likely to need that hole :D
Catfish
03-28-25, 10:25 AM
If that's the case, I suggest you find a hole to hunker down in. :D:up:
Lol well it's rather like having tons of popcorn and booze and watching the drama from the second row ;)
As some comedian once said the American get a front seat ticket to the (freak)show.
Markus
AVGWarhawk
03-28-25, 11:27 AM
That sounds just like Article 3 in action.
Judges are subject to their judgement being overridden by appeals courts and they can be removed from office. The system has a way of correcting itself.
Just because someone, oh let's say Trump, doesn't like a ruling doesn't make it wrong or radical activist.
The system has a way of dragging it's feet(when they want) and nothing gets accomplished. :03:
Buddahaid
03-28-25, 03:13 PM
The system has a way of dragging it's feet(when they want) and nothing gets accomplished. :03:
And that's a good thing as demonstrated by the current administration's house of cards attempt to change everything on day one using a shadow government instead of working through the legislative branch as set up by the Constitution.
When Trump said his administration would have transparency, I guessing most people thought that would mean working in the open, not trying to do business using communication systems outside of the government that make no records (transparent) for the National Archives and therefore nothing to produce for FOIA requests. That's another illegal aspect of this unlawful and unconstitutional administration.
AVGWarhawk
03-28-25, 03:17 PM
And that's a good thing as demonstrated by the current administration's house of cards attempt to change everything on day one using a shadow government instead of working through the legislative branch as set up by the Constitution.
When Trump said his administration would have transparency, I guessing most people thought that would mean working in the open, not trying to do business using communication systems outside of the government that make no records (transparent) for the National Archives and therefore nothing to produce for FOIA requests. That's another illegal aspect of this unlawful and unconstitutional administration.
Yeah, we will not worry about a unsecured server in a basement of one Sec of State. :doh:
VipertheSniper
03-28-25, 03:32 PM
Yeah, we will not worry about a unsecured server in a basement of one Sec of State. :doh:
And that she did that suddenly makes it ok what they did? :doh:
Buddahaid
03-28-25, 03:52 PM
Yeah, we will not worry about a unsecured server in a basement of one Sec of State. :doh:
Fine. Where's the DOJ indictment? Surely something could be done by the current DOJ and the House to fix the problem but wait, the DOJ in Trump's first term decided not to prosecute.
"On June 14, 2018, the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General released its report on the FBI's and DOJ's handling of Clinton's investigation, finding no evidence of political bias and lending support for the decision to not prosecute Clinton.[16] A three-year State Department investigation concluded in September 2019 that 38 individuals were "culpable" in 91 instances of sending classified information that reached Clinton's email account, though it found "no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information".
It doesn't look like Trump & Co is taking security very serious
A lot of data.
In a very short time, Der Spiegel was able to find phone numbers, email addresses and even passwords for a number of 'top officials' such as the aforementioned Mike Waltz, Tulsi Gabbard, who is the head of the American intelligence services, and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, who was behind the Signal leak
https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/forbrug/Teknologi/efter-chokerende-broeler-helt-blottet-paa-betalingstjeneste/10571575?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Markus
And that's a good thing as demonstrated by the current administration's house of cards attempt to change everything on day one using a shadow government instead of working through the legislative branch as set up by the Constitution.
LOL, FYI it's Tim "The Tampon" Walz who's calling for setting up a "shadow Government". You Lefties love to project don't you. :har::har:
Buddahaid
03-28-25, 08:06 PM
LOL, FYI it's Tim "The Tampon" Walz who's calling for setting up a "shadow Government". You Lefties love to project don't you. :har::har:
Ever watched Project 2025 training videos? No need to project. :har::har::har:
Raf1394
03-29-25, 02:39 AM
The one thing i really hate about Trump. Is that he keeps insisting to ''take over'' Greenland.
But totally ignoring the right of self-determination
(People from Greenland told the world many times, they don't want be part of the US)
The US is always the first country who speaks about the
''right of self-determination'' and supports people, when its in there advantage.
(to get rid of dictators or head of states who aren't pro US)
Anyways, if this would really happen. The US would be the black sheep of the family. The US is powerful, but it doesn't mean it can do whatever it feels like.
If the US would ever use military force to take over Greenland (total fiction) The US would be worse then Russia.
It will also give China a licence to invade and take over Taiwan (you can do that? so i can do it too)
Catfish
03-29-25, 04:22 AM
The best (or worst) are the comments.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6otZO0m-dgU&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D
Shearwater
03-29-25, 04:38 AM
The one thing i really hate about Trump. Is that he keeps insisting to ''take over'' Greenland.
But totally ignoring the right of self-determination
(People from Greenland told the world many times, they don't want be part of the US)
The US is always the first country who speaks about the
''right of self-determination'' and supports people, when its in there advantage.
(to get rid of dictators or head of states who aren't pro US)
Anyways, if this would really happen. The US would be the black sheep of the family. The US is powerful, but it doesn't mean it can do whatever it feels like.
If the US would ever use military force to take over Greenland (total fiction) The US would be worse then Russia.
It will also give China a licence to invade and take over Taiwan (you can do that? so i can do it too)
Putin has already uttered words of sympathy to that end (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/28/putins-endorsement-of-trumps-greenland-takeover-reflects-their-vision-of-a-new-world-order) - thugs among themselves. I've come to expect nothing else from Russia by now, but for the US this kind of behaviour is degrading and embarrassing.
Exocet25fr
03-29-25, 10:54 AM
Unusual: One in three French people (32%) boycotts at least one American product !
These are the US brands people in France are boycotting most
More than three fifths (62%) of people in France would support the boycott of products made by American companies as a result of policies from US President Donald Trump, a new poll has found.
The top brands they would boycott are:
Coca-Cola (48 %)
McDonald's (44 %)
Tesla etc (19 %)
Starbucks (15 %)
KFC (12 %)
https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/poll-these-are-the-us-brands-people-in-france-are-boycotting-most/715207
Buddahaid
03-29-25, 11:33 AM
The top brands they would boycott are:
Coca-Cola (48 %)
McDonald's (44 %)
Tesla etc (19 %)
Starbucks (15 %)
KFC (12 %)
Sounds like good advice to live healthier anyway....
Denmark's leadership has failed the people of Greenland, and their bullying tactics won't change that.
Investment in Greenland's security is in America's best interest, and it will continue under President Trump. https://x.com/VP/status/1905707253279465892 Denmark:
Health care and college are free.
The minium wage is $22/hr.
One of the 5 happiest countries in the world.
37-hour work week.
Paid parental leave is 1 year.
Paid holiday is 6 weeks.
All Danish get pensions.
low crime rates
USA:
Orange guy comes up with life-worsening decisions every day.
Planes fall from the sky.
MARKET LOS +5 TRILLION IN +8 WEEKS without Sleepy Joe at the wheel.
US economy going into recession in 2026-2026 without Sleepy Joe at the wheel.
Orange saviour policy does not reflect egg price.
Buddahaid
03-29-25, 09:56 PM
Update on the legal battle over the AEA deportations to the El Salvadorian prison.
Plaintiffs have requested an extension of the TRO.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436.64.0.pdf
"CONCLUSION
Plaintiffs respectfully request that this Court extend the TROs for 14 days to April 12,
2015."
Defendents oppose the extension.
"OPPOSITION TO MOTION TO EXTEND TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER
Defendants oppose Plaintiffs’ motion to extend the temporary restraining order for an
additional fourteen days. ECF No. 64. As set forth in Defendants’ motion to vacate the temporary
restraining order, ECF No.26, the Court lacks jurisdiction over Plaintiffs’ claims, which challenge
matters within the President’s unreviewable authority and, nonetheless, sound in habeas and must
therefore be brought as habeas claims in district of confinement, id. at 7-13. Plaintiffs also failed
to show a likelihood of success on the merits, id. at 13-18, and have not demonstrated an irreparable
harm sufficient to overcome the President’s powerful interest in managing matters of national
security and foreign affairs, id. at 23-24 (citing Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project, 561 U.S. 1,
33–35 (2010)). For these reasons, which are set forth by Defendants’ prior briefs and incorporated
here, Defendants oppose any extension of the temporary restraining order."
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436.65.0_1.pdf
The TRO is ordered to be extended to April 12th.
The Court, accordingly, ORDERS that the TROs entered on March 15, 2025, are extended and
shall remain in effect until April 12, 2025, or until further order of the Court.
/s/ James E. Boasberg
JAMES E. BOASBERG
United States District Judge
Date: March 28, 2025
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436.66.0_1.pdf
As some comedian once said the American get a front seat ticket to the (freak)show.
Markus
And, The Freak Show is NATO and the EU.
Buddahaid
03-30-25, 12:19 AM
And, The Freak Show is NATO and the EU.
And the clown car is driven by the White House.
https://www.brooklynvegan.com/files/img/music2/clowncar.jpg
And that's a good thing as demonstrated by the current administration's house of cards attempt to change everything on day one using a shadow government instead of working through the legislative branch as set up by the Constitution.
When Trump said his administration would have transparency, I guessing most people thought that would mean working in the open, not trying to do business using communication systems outside of the government that make no records (transparent) for the National Archives and therefore nothing to produce for FOIA requests. That's another illegal aspect of this unlawful and unconstitutional administration.
Well,The American citizens got in their face for the last 16 yrs.Is nothing but Politicians and Their Ideology battle. You do know that this country has stood at a stand still. For 16 years i have a question for you. How old were you 16 yrs ago ? You do know citizens don't get a break on age. While we wait on the Wealthy to decide how the future will be. Hell 16 years ago i just turned 51 and here we are no better, I tell my son,look a politician gets elected, If it's 4 or 8 years.Of your life that is gone, ya can't get back. And what is transparency? I've heard that,till im sick of hearing it. Another word they throw around Democracy. Every time i wake up in the morning, Some country that are Democracy are adding more money to their country's budget to Fight a Nuclear War. And some of them are killing everybody in sight So Buddahaid ? Do you have nice bunker to hide in or are you a wealthy Aristocrat ? Or will you accept the fate of your President. Hell the last 4 yrs ?
Buddahaid
03-30-25, 12:42 AM
Well,The American citizens got in their face for the last 16 yrs.Is nothing but Politicians and Their Ideology battle. You do know that this country has stood at a stand still. For 16 years i have a question for you. How old were you 16 yrs ago ? You do know citizens don't get a break on age. While we wait on the Wealthy to decide how the future will be. Am i right or am i wrong ?
There are words we are getting tired of hearing.
Fifty-three and I have no idea what you are saying.
Fifty-three and I have no idea what you are saying.
Oh, you don't ? sure you do.
so if your 53 now, Ah damn, You were a 37 year old resistance fighter. And we need all the fighters, we can get the younger the better. We have to move, forward to accomplish, the goals set by our doctrine of the party for future of This Planet.
Our goals and visions of freedom and Democracy, have been rejected by , Let's see any country that has a nuclear weapon. And some of the have them have better working societies than the Woke, Americans. The Americans rank 40 ish across the globe in education.So it's just a matter of time. Politicians across history have caused the collapse of their peoples environment and living standards. The United States is no different.
Is Trump a President who do as promised ?
Markus
Is Trump a President who do as promised ?
Markus
He just does what he feels like, couldn't give a hoot about others!! :oops:
He just does what he feels like, couldn't give a hoot about others!! :oops:
The reason to my question is: Trump have said that Denmark should give Greenland to him,'cause he's gonna take it one way or the other.
And some other member an American said He has it in his mouth.
Markus
I read somewhere that Poo-tin had his hand in it too!! :k_confused:
The reason to my question is: Trump have said that Denmark should give Greenland to him,'cause he's gonna take it one way or the other.
And some other member an American said He has it in his mouth.
MarkusThis week it is Greenland, next week it is Canada, maybe he gives back Alaska to Russia next month. This flood the zone has clearly effect on you, do not let it get to you, it is all yada yada. The War Powers Resolution of is 1973 was designed to prevent a US president from starting a war or armed conflict himself, without congressional approval. In practice, it means that within 48 hours of entering into an armed conflict, the president must notify Congress and obtain permission. Moreover, the law says that US troops can then be deployed outside America for a maximum of 60 days. After that, there must be a declaration of war or congressional approval to continue the armed deployment. This came from the experiences in Korea and Vietnam, when US troops fought outside America for years without any declaration of war.
Skybird
03-30-25, 09:24 AM
^ Who said that Europe is willing to set up an armed conflict over Denmark/Greenland...?
The US has a base on Greenland, Pittufik Space Base, for the most it serves as an early warning station against Russian ICBMs. They can start to shuttle in troops there, more and more and more, and then simply spill them all over whre they want them to be. Greenland has not even 57,000 inhabitants. And no militia, army, whatever.
Whats more, Trump can give brown stuff for what congress or courts demand and do. He demonstrated it already. Mind you, he is a mentally derranged manon lose emotions who thinks he stands above all laws and must not comply with them if he does not want to, for he is El Presidente, ranking above God, King and Emperor. Not only is he sick, he also is old. He has nothing to lose anymore. And if he wants to run amok, he again has nothing to lose. The doing of the bad guys like Putin and Xi is his idol. He wants to be seen like them, and he wants to do like them. You cannot offend him by telling him he doe slike Putin. For him, thats a compliment he craves for.
Finally, the US population will not object to taklijng over Greenland. They may protest and yell and shout, but they will not set up armed resistence to overtrow the government if it embarks on wars of aggression, may it be Crimea 2014 style, may it be Vietnam or Iraq style. Taking up a rifle in your hand and start shooting at government agents - that is something very different than just saying in an interview that you do not agree with something. And mind you: its right-extreme armed groups behind Trump who spilled him to the top. You think the political house of cards will collapse if Trump goes away? You better think twice. I see Vance as far more dangerous. :03:
I see the US as a lost case, and I do not expect that to reverse for the remaining lifetime of mine. I am also convinced that the US will not go to war if Europe if Russia attacks NATO itself, and I think that already since the times of Obama. Europe lives of illusions since much lonher already than just Trump'S time. And it still does, can you believe it...
All those years since Obama: uselessly wasted by European politicians sticking their heads into the sand. The open dispise of this administration for Europe is shocking. But it is neither unexpected to me, nor in principle unjustified: I feel much the same.
But Germany comes to the rescue: the German super starlet Annalena is becoming president of the UN general assemlby. Her ego trip will leave no stone unturned, I promise. :D
Buddahaid
03-30-25, 10:30 AM
Here are the arguments in support of the TRO.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436.67.1.pdf
"3.
Summary Removals Without Notice and a Meaningful Opportunity to
Challenge “Alien Enemy” Designations Violate the AEA, Due Process,
and the APA.
As this Court has already held, Defendants must provide Plaintiffs with a meaningful opportunity to challenge their designation as alien enemies before removal is permissible under the Proclamation. Op. 23-24, 30; see also J.G.G., 2025 WL 914682, at *21 (Millett, J., concurring)
(“the government agrees that individuals are entitled to challenge in court whether they fall within the terms of the AEA or are otherwise not lawfully removable under it.”).
The government’s concession that there must be an opportunity to contest one’s designation as an enemy alien is well taken given that Ludecke expressly recognized as much. 335 U.S. at 171 n.17; see also, e.g., Ex
parte Gilroy, 257 F. 110, 114-24 (S.D.N.Y. 1919); United States ex rel. Zdunic v. Uhl, 137 F.2d 858, 860 (2d Cir. 1943); Bauer, 171 F.2d at 493-94.
Because the government is currently providing no process or opportunity to contest a designation, the precise contours of such review need not be determined here. At this stage, even assuming the Court finds that the AEA can be used at all against a “gang” during peacetime, the
Court need only hold that the current Proclamation is unlawful in failing to provide any process, even sufficient notice and opportunity to file the individual habeas petitions held out by the government. At minimum, though, there must be a hearing at which evidence could be introduced
and testimony heard, and judicial review.
The AEA, per Ludecke, as well due process and the APA, require that noncitizens alleged to be alien enemies receive notice of the factual basis for removal and a meaningful opportunity to rebut it. See, e.g., Ralls Corp. v. Comm. on Foreign Inv. in U.S., 758 F.3d 296, 318 (D.C. Cir. 2014) (“Both the Supreme Court and this Court have recognized that the right to know the factual basis for [government] action and the opportunity to rebut the evidence supporting that action are essential components of due process.”).
Finally, even if Plaintiffs were properly designated alien enemies (which they were not), this Court has previously held that the President may lawfully remove noncitizens under the AEA only when those designated noncitizens “refuse or neglect to depart” from the United States voluntarily. Op. 30 (citing 50 U.S.C. § 21). Indeed, even during World War II, courts interpreting the AEA consistently recognized that “alien enemies” retained the right to voluntary departure. See U.S. ex rel. Ludwig, 164 F.2d at 457 (Section 21 establishes a “right of voluntary departure” that functions as a “statutory condition precedent” to the government’s right to deport enemy
aliens); U.S. ex rel. Von Heymann v. Watkins, 159 F.2d 650, 653 (2d Cir. 1947) (“His present restraint by the respondent is unlawful in so far as it interferes with his voluntary departure, since the enforced removal, of which his present restraint is a concomitant, is unlawful before he does
‘Refuse or neglect’ to depart” under Section 21); United States ex rel. Dorfler v. Watkins, 171 F.2d 431, 432 (2d Cir. 1948) (“An alien must be afforded the privilege of voluntary departure before the Attorney General can lawfully remove him against his will.”).
Under Section 21, there is no exception to the general right of voluntary departure; it is a “statutory condition precedent” to removal. U.S. ex rel. Ludwig, 164 F.2d at 457. Section 22 establishes separate rights concerning the particular conditions for departure, with an exception for those “chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against public safety.” 50 U.S.C. § 22.
However, that exception cannot be invoked categorically. It instead requires individualized assessments—each noncitizen must specifically be “chargeable” with actual hostility or a crime against public safety to lose eligibility for the rights described in Section 22. Defendants have made no such individualized assessments here—much less provided any opportunity to contest
such findings.
This thread should be renamed to "Why I hate America". :hmmm:
Buddahaid
03-30-25, 11:12 AM
This thread should be renamed to "Why I hate America". :hmmm:
More like "Why I hate Politicians.":shucks:
Shearwater
03-30-25, 11:16 AM
This thread should be renamed to "Why I hate America". :hmmm:
Or "America, put that thing away!"
This thread should be renamed to "Why I hate America". :hmmm:Go cry me a river
Shadowblade
03-30-25, 11:57 AM
More like "Why I hate Politicians.":shucks:
that would be quite universal thread :D
Catfish
03-30-25, 01:49 PM
This thread should be renamed to "Why I hate America". :hmmm:
More like why all democracies hate Trump. Even neutral Switzerland is virtually fuming in fury. If you cannot understand this you must be blind.
Still, i think Vance is more dangerous. To the US, and the rest of the world. And he will probably topple his former master.
BREAKING: European leaders say they won’t have any Oval Office meetings with Donald Trump if JD Vance is going to sit in the room and, as one Belgian official described it, "be a little bitch.” https://x.com/HalfwayPost/status/1906060256914083939
We have centuries of history to ridicule our absolute send by god royal stupid, get used to it. I stand by 99.99999% of my insults to rulers, the rest I regret because I didn’t emphasize my point cruel enough.
les green01
03-30-25, 02:24 PM
More like why all democracies hate Trump. Even neutral Switzerland is virtually fuming in fury. If you cannot understand this you must be blind.
Still, i think Vance is more dangerous. To the US, and the rest of the world. And he will probably topple his former master.
problem is catfish you all say crap over the stuff but then some of your so called leaders are saying why should we defend europe just let the us do it guess after friday with the doc way he was a talking im pretty much a dead man anyway so i shouldn't care what happens over there or even over here anymore
Skybird
03-30-25, 02:55 PM
Return of the Mummy.
[Der Spiegel] Donald Trump has openly considered an unconstitutional third term on several occasions. He has always emphasized that his comments were meant only as a joke. Asked again about a possible third term, he now told NBC: "I'm not joking."
This is his most explicit statement yet regarding a possible breach of the Constitution. The U.S. Constitution prohibits presidents from seeking a third term, regardless of whether the first two were consecutive or interrupted. Trump's current second term ends in 2029.
"There are methods you could use to do that," Trump told NBC News regarding the possibility of circumventing the Constitution. But he also said it was far too early to consider that.
The 22nd Amendment was added to the Constitution in 1951, after President Franklin D. Roosevelt had been elected four times in a row. It states that "no person shall be elected to the office of President more than twice."
NBC's Kristen Welker asked Trump if a possible path to a third term would be for Vice President J.D. Vance to run for the highest office and "then pass the baton to you."
More on the topic
"Well, that's one possibility," Trump replied. "But there are others." He didn't explain which ones he meant.
A democratic amendment to the Constitution would require a two-thirds majority in the Senate or Congress. The states would then have to approve the amendment with a three-quarters majority. This is currently considered impossible.
Trump has openly considered staying in office longer than the law allows. Until now, he has always wanted these remarks to be taken as a joke.
In January, he pretended not to know whether he was barred from running for president again. The New York Times also reported that Trump had already told members of Congress in November that he would probably not run again – “unless you tell me, 'He's so good that we have to find a way.'”
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Hubris: when you think the world can't do without you and life without your superior leadership is not worth it.
VipertheSniper
03-30-25, 03:19 PM
This thread should be renamed to "Why I hate America". :hmmm:
what makes you come to that conclusion? Because some people here don't agree, that everything the Trump administration does, is the bees knees? I have no hate for America, I have however a disdain for that pack of grifters, liars, gaslighters and conmen in the current administration. I think your countrymen, who have that same disdain and who fight back against the administration overstepping their powers, also don't hate America. They love America, just not in your preferred flavor, which seems to be boot.
Shearwater
03-30-25, 03:27 PM
Yet it is interesting to see how many people identify themselves with Trump, and Trump with America.
It is said that Putin is Russia and Russia is Putin-Can you say the same about Trump ?
He is all over the news when our news channel and newspaper are reporting from USA-Which makes one wonder if Trump is USA and USA is Trump.
By the way-I do not dislike USA-I wish I had the money for a transatlantic cruise and take a tour de America in a rented RV.
Markus
Catfish
03-31-25, 12:44 AM
problem is catfish you all say crap over the stuff but then some of your so called leaders are saying why should we defend europe just let the us do it guess after friday with the doc way he was a talking im pretty much a dead man anyway so i shouldn't care what happens over there or even over here anymore
Our 'leaders', well. We all have representative democracies and it is seldom funny and mostly embarrasing what the elected 'leaders' do, until one realizes they have to make compromises.
I guess and hope Europe has learned its lesson. I also think Europe can defend itself, it has to build up fast though.
Wish you all the best, I still hope your health improves.
Ostfriese
03-31-25, 05:52 AM
This thread should be renamed to "Why I hate America". :hmmm:
Why? Just because you MAGA-people hate everything that isn't white, male, old, straight and cis?
Shadowblade
03-31-25, 06:33 AM
I guess and hope Europe has learned its lesson. I also think Europe can defend itself, it has to build up fast though.
nope, Europe stays on its suicidal Greendeal course.
Exocet25fr
03-31-25, 07:34 AM
In the movies America save the world, in reality the world is trying to save himself from America :yeah:!
AVGWarhawk
03-31-25, 07:36 AM
Why? Just because you MAGA-people hate everything that isn't white, male, old, straight and cis?
Pigeon holed.
In the movies America save the world, in reality the world is trying to save himself from America :yeah:!
So what was I doing standing guard on the Fulda Gap for three years keeping the Soviets at bay? Oh that's right you love Russia so you probably wanted their tanks to roll right into Paris.
Trump running a third term as President, could it be possible ?
Here a Danish expert on American politics give some ideas to how Trump can run for a third term
At first glance, the simplest (and least creative) way to get around the constitution is to change it.
The 22nd Amendment states that 'no person shall be elected to the office of President more than twice.'
The problem with amending the Constitution, however, is that it is somewhat difficult. A constitutional amendment requires both two-thirds of both houses of Congress and three-quarters of the states (38 out of 50) to vote in favor.
The Republicans are nowhere near having such a large majority in either the House or the Senate, just as Trump only won 31 states in the 2024 election.
https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/Udland/trump-2028-saadan-kan-han-goere-det/10574214?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Markus
AVGWarhawk
03-31-25, 08:34 AM
Trump running a third term as President, could it be possible ?
Here a Danish expert on American politics give some ideas to how Trump can run for a third term
https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/Udland/trump-2028-saadan-kan-han-goere-det/10574214?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Markus
Obama proposed the same. It will not happen.
Shadowblade
03-31-25, 08:44 AM
In the movies America save the world, in reality the world is trying to save himself from America :yeah:!
In reality America was saving Europe several times already. I thought people playing Silent Hunter would know it well :03:
But yeah, in movies America always saves the world, it is so common that it became funny film trope already: :D
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmericaSavesTheDay
Obama proposed the same. It will not happen.
I was thinking the same-It would be (almost)impossible for him to run for a third term.
The question could be-What will he do or what have he in mind, when he comes to the conclusion that he is finish as the President in Jan. 2028 ?
Markus
AVGWarhawk
03-31-25, 08:46 AM
I was thinking the same-It would be (almost)impossible for him to run for a third term.
The question could be-What will he do or what have he in mind, when he comes to the conclusion that he is finish as the President in Jan. 2028 ?
Markus
JD Vance will run and be Trump 3.0.
I was thinking the same-It would be (almost)impossible for him to run for a third term.
The question could be-What will he do or what have he in mind, when he comes to the conclusion that he is finish as the President in Jan. 2028 ?
Markus
I'm hoping that he will be turning the keys to the Oval Office over to VP Vance for another 8 years.
I'm hoping that he will be turning the keys to the Oval Office over to VP Vance for another 8 years.
That's up to the American voters if they want a Trump 3.0.
Markus
That's up to the American voters if they want a Trump 3.0.
Markus
Just like it was up to us when we decided that we wanted Trump 2.0 over the criminal Democrats.
I hear that they just caught one trying to escape the country with a load of classified documents.
]what makes you come to that conclusion[/B]? Because some people here don't agree, that everything the Trump administration does, is the bees knees? I have no hate for America, I have however a disdain for that pack of grifters, liars, gaslighters and conmen in the current administration. I think your countrymen, who have that same disdain and who fight back against the administration overstepping their powers, also don't hate America. They love America, just not in your preferred flavor, which seems to be boot.
Why? Just because you MAGA-people hate everything that isn't white, male, old, straight and cis?
Simple really, all I see posted here is over-the-top hyperbole, gaslighting, and projecting statements, that makes it difficult to find any legitimate and cogent criticisms of the U.S. Government & policies.
Trump running a third term as President, could it be possible ?
Here a Danish expert on American politics give some ideas to how Trump can run for a third term
https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/Udland/trump-2028-saadan-kan-han-goere-det/10574214?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Markus
He's not much of an expert.
The 22nd Amendment clearly states:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
There are no loopholes, This Amendment would need to be repealed for Trump to serve a third term.
Buddahaid
03-31-25, 10:42 AM
Just like it was up to us when we decided that we wanted Trump 2.0 over the criminal Democrats.
I hear that they just caught one trying to escape the country with a load of classified documents.
Citation please.
Citation please.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/former-agent-who-accused-fbi-of-political-bias-is-charged-with-disclosing-confidential-records
Moar winning! :)
Karoline Leavitt set to make major change to White House press briefings that will leave liberal media furious
By JAMES GORDON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/profile-463/james-gordon.html)
Published: 22:23 EDT, 30 March 2025 | Updated: 10:01 EDT, 31 March 2025
The White House (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/white-house/index.html) is preparing to take control of its briefing room's seating chart in a brazen power play that could upend decades of precedent and anger the liberal media.
At the center of the storm is Karoline Leavitt (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/karoline-leavitt/index.html), the 27-year-old White House press secretary and rising conservative firebrand who finds herself poised to deliver the decisive blow.
It will mean that for the first time in modern history, the White House will dictate where reporters sit in the James S. Brady Press Briefing Room rather than the White House Correspondents’ Association (WHCA).
Legacy media outlets such as CNN (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/cnn/index.html), NBC, CBS and ABC, who have long been accustomed to a place on the front-row, may find themselves several rows further back. The briefing room contains just 49 seats in very tight quarters.
The administration's plan to assume control of the briefing room seating chart will take effect in the coming weeks, stripping the WHCA of a role it has held for generations.
The WHCA, a body established to protect journalistic access and independence, has traditionally governed not only seating arrangements but also the daily press pool that shadows the president, but those days appear to be quickly coming to an end.
White House officials say the changes are part of a broader effort to modernize media access based on 'metrics more reflective of how media is consumed today.'
That means fewer guaranteed seats for institutional heavyweights and more room for rising digital platforms like Punchbowl News, Axios, and even individual online influencers.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14553215/Karoline-Leavitt-set-make-major-change-White-House-press-briefings-leave-liberal-media-furious.html
Jeff-Groves
03-31-25, 01:10 PM
^ That right there is gonna have some people We know crapping a BRICK!
:har:
Buddahaid
03-31-25, 01:12 PM
First amendment anyone?
Jeff-Groves
03-31-25, 01:13 PM
That don't entitle anyone to a Front Row Seat just because.
Let them fight for a prime seat UFC style!
Buddahaid
03-31-25, 01:14 PM
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/former-agent-who-accused-fbi-of-political-bias-is-charged-with-disclosing-confidential-records
Thank you.
Catfish
03-31-25, 01:29 PM
Moar popcorn :D
Buddahaid
03-31-25, 01:33 PM
That don't entitle anyone to a Front Row Seat just because.
Let them fight for a prime seat UFC style!
No, but it shows how weak Trump is.
Oops, you just lost Asia China, Japan and South Korea agreed to jointly respond to U.S. tariffs (https://www.reuters.com/world/china-japan-south-korea-will-jointly-respond-us-tariffs-chinese-state-media-says-2025-03-31/)
Oops, you just lost Asia China, Japan and South Korea agreed to jointly respond to U.S. tariffs (https://www.reuters.com/world/china-japan-south-korea-will-jointly-respond-us-tariffs-chinese-state-media-says-2025-03-31/)
Bold statement considering that you're basing it on a ChiCom social media post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM60muNhE1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM60muNhE1Q
So Reuters is copying a ChiCom social media post word for word including the archaic term "loggerheads". Now you know why they are loosing their front row seat in the White House press briefing room!
Buddahaid
03-31-25, 03:48 PM
So Reuters is copying a ChiCom social media post word for word including the archaic term "loggerheads". Now you know why they are loosing their front row seat in the White House press briefing room!
They lose their seat because they don't ask Trump questions he wants to respond to. He's getting tired of having to make up stuff because he doesn't have a clue.
They lose their seat because they don't ask Trump questions he wants to respond to. He's getting tired of having to make up stuff because he doesn't have a clue.
Yeah that's it. :roll:
No, but it shows how weak Trump is.
Looks more like Trump giving mainstream media the finger. :up:
u crank
03-31-25, 05:21 PM
Looks more like Trump giving mainstream media the finger. :up:
Well there may be reasons for that.
:D
Buddahaid
03-31-25, 06:36 PM
Yeah that's it. :roll:
Likely is since most of his answers to things you and I know about is he doesn't know anything about it. Pretty lame from the guy that knows more about everything than anybody else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS3m6V7xtM0
Catfish
04-01-25, 02:10 AM
^ "Democracy" lmao
But a personal question to Elon, if I convince german voters to vote for the nazi AfD, would you consider to give a million dollars to me?
Thanks for your help :D
^ "Democracy" lmao
But a personal question to Elon, if I convince german voters to vote for the nazi AfD, would you consider to give a million dollars to me?
Thanks for your help :D
Elon would not give money to a commie, especially a German one.
Buddahaid
04-01-25, 12:28 PM
Elon would not give money to a commie, especially a German one.
Funny how Tesla operates three manufacturing plants in China. :har:
Catfish
04-01-25, 01:24 PM
Elon would not give money to a commie, especially a German one.
And i am not even a commie, I just recognize wannabe dictators when I see one.
Re the commies what about Russia and China?
So you are on a new low insulting forum members?
Skybird
04-01-25, 01:27 PM
Chicocommiecat! :D
Jeff-Groves
04-01-25, 02:10 PM
So you are on a new low insulting forum members?
Your Joking right? This thread is FULL of snide insults and name calling!
:nope:
Commander Wallace
04-01-25, 03:42 PM
Elon would not give money to a commie, especially a German one.
And i am not even a commie, I just recognize wannabe dictators when I see one.
Re the commies what about Russia and China?
So you are on a new low insulting forum members?
Come on guys. You're both a lot better than this. Reconcile yourselves to the fact that we all have a difference of opinion. :yep:
And i am not even a commie, I just recognize wannabe dictators when I see one.
Re the commies what about Russia and China?
So you are on a new low insulting forum members?
Right, because you are such an expert on dictator spotting. Way I see it you're as much a commie as Elon Musk is a nazi. It's ironic that you would get huffy when someone treats you with the same unfair exaggeration.
For the record Catfish I don't really think you are a commie. I see you more as a run of the mill European Socialist.
Right, because you are such an expert on dictator spotting. Way I see it you're as much a commie as Elon Musk is a nazi. It's ironic that you would get huffy when someone treats you with the same unfair exaggeration.
For the record Catfish I don't really think you are a commie. I see you more as a run of the mill European Socialist.
Aren't those just commies with a man purse and a bike?
Buddahaid
04-01-25, 08:33 PM
Aren't those just commies with a man purse and a bike?
You must be this tall to join DOGE.
https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/-mm-/dafd8e0ab4adf5d2d95ceeaccf750efc5a21f1ad/c=41-0-2291-3000/local/-/media/2015/04/06/USATODAY/USATODAY/635639123210167360-AP-Germany-Nazi-Grave.jpg?width=300&height=400&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp
These guys, nazis?
https://i.imgur.com/k6fEC3L.jpg
Buddahaid
04-01-25, 09:10 PM
These guys, nazis?
I'm just chiming in on the fun of the last few posts.
Buddahaid
04-01-25, 10:58 PM
Sudan Crawford is projected to win the Wisconsin Supreme Court making this the third rejection of MAGA candidates in a row in special elections. This is notable as MAGA spent 53 million on this election as well as Elon throwing money at it.
Catfish
04-01-25, 11:09 PM
Chicocommiecat! :D
Don't you forget the ...fish!
@August Socialist is what the GDR was, I would see me as democratic in the european sense. But for what I learned there is no real 'left' party in the US, just conservative and ultra-conservative, so anything else must indeed look like left or 'commie' over there(?)
@MaDef: yes lol
u crank
04-02-25, 03:44 AM
Sudan Crawford is projected to win the Wisconsin Supreme Court making this the third rejection of MAGA candidates in a row in special elections. This is notable as MAGA spent 53 million on this election as well as Elon throwing money at it.
Yea but ....Republicans have won the two special elections in Florida. Randy Fine wins in Congressional District 6 and Jimmy Patronis wins in District 1.
well that's unfortunate!! :03:
Skybird
04-02-25, 05:34 AM
The Don certainly estalbishes a Führerkult, a leadership cult, with himself being the god emperor at the centre who is the only source of wisdom, insight, correct decision and smart planning. Hence he wants himself being able to rule without being bound by limitations, rules, laws, all that is just for the lower beings while he shines like the sun above it all and he decides when day begins and when night falls.
It is deeply worrying that courts, institutions, media, universities and last but not least the ordinary people almost all are so totally surrendering and deliberately opt to not even try resisting.
A Führerkult does exist for sure in the US, there can be absolutely no doubt on that, the question is how deep into fascism all this destruction of democracy will slide. That it does slide at that direction also is beyond doubt: the US is on its way to become a fascist totalitarian tyranny. Really, the only question is: how far will it go at that direction? I have no good expectations. The speed at which Trump destroys the system of checks and balances that were meant to protect the citizen from the state is breathtaking.
That there even will be free elections in three and a half year now must no longer be taken for granted. It could become a government exercise in mastermind manipulation.
The horror is that Trump's death for example will not save the US. There are people in his shadow that I see as even more extreme and dangerous than him, they just do not yet have such a grab on the party than Trump has. That could change.
The second horror is that this Democratic party - is as horrific as the Great Orange Party, its just different, obviously extremely woke and left-leaning. But not any less disgusting. In other words - there is an abundant lack of alternatives to the GOP. There is only choice between lethal poisons, the one is red and the other is blue: killing they both do.
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[FOCUS] Anyone who assumes Donald Trump isn't serious about his remarks about seeking a third term as US president is mistaken. In an NBC interview broadcast on Sunday, he explicitly stated, "I'm not joking." He thus made it unmistakably clear that his political ambitions could extend beyond 2028. Asked whether his advisors had already presented him with possible scenarios for a third term, Trump replied, "There are ways to do this."
Statements like these are making the warnings about the "fascist dictatorship" that some experts believe Trump is transforming the US into louder. Renowned US researchers are already leaving the country.
US expert Thomas Jäger is also observing developments in the US with concern. He told FOCUS online that many are already refusing to accept that Russia has developed into a fascist state. "They are even less willing to acknowledge this development in the US, which just a few weeks ago was the protector of democracies."
But according to Jäger, there are clear signs that the political system in the US is developing in an authoritarian direction, which could ultimately lead to a fascist order. Whether this happens depends on the forces that can prevent it: "the Democratic Party, the American public, the economy, and culture."
However, so far, they have offered no discernible resistance to this development, according to the political scientist. The fact that fascist tendencies are becoming a reality in the US suggests that the Trump administration "wants to turn back the clock and create an order like the one in the 19th century, when national shelters limited life."
To this end, Jäger continues, economic exchange is to be made more difficult and people are to be deported. "History is to be rewritten, museums are to be forced to follow a new narrative. Diversity of opinion is being suppressed, and Trump calls criticism itself illegal."
Furthermore, independent science is being deprived of funding, "and no effective criticism of the president's irrational narratives is to be made possible," Jäger summarizes. Instead, scapegoats are being constructed: "migrants inside, Europeans outside, all supposedly intent on depriving US citizens of their prosperity and their good lives."
Jäger argues: "Trump presents himself as the only one who can protect them against this, thereby establishing a cult of leadership." This means: Not the Constitution and the law, but the will of the president is the source of the right actions. Therefore, his term in office cannot be limited, because only he, according to the false narrative, can save the country and its citizens.
"A new language is being invented for a new movement, the MAGA movement, as a means of control. That's why there are lists of banned words for government agencies," Jäger points out.
One of the loudest voices in the US these days is Jason Stanley, Yale philosopher and fascism researcher. Last week, he announced that he would be leaving the US due to the current political climate and transferring to the Munk School in Canada. Stanley wanted to raise his children in a country "that isn't headed toward a fascist dictatorship," he told the philosophy platform Daily Nous.
When the scholar was asked by the Guardian what it means for a fascism researcher to leave the US, he replied: "Partly, it's ultimately the way you left Germany in 1932, '33, '34. My grandmother left Berlin with my father in 1939. So it's a family tradition."
In an interview with Der Spiegel, the author of books such as "How Fascism Works" explained why he sees the US on the path to fascism under Trump and why he decided to move to Canada: "In the classic literature on the rise of fascism"—in Hannah Arendt or the authors of the Frankfurt School —there's this recurring motif of the fascist leader as a gangster boss. That's what it's about. It's mafia logic: You're supposed to show loyalty, kiss the ring."
Stanley is referring to the dispute between the US government and Columbia University. The government in Washington had threatened to withhold $400 million in federal funding if the university did not overhaul its approach to pro-Palestinian protests and reform its Institute for Near Eastern Studies. Last week, Trump said the colleges and universities would "bend the knee."
Glorification of the past, the culture of lies: "Everything is there." The tendency toward fascism is also evident in the Trump administration's actions during the federal election campaign in Germany. Elon Musk and Vice President J.D. Vance have vigorously supported the AfD.
According to Stanley, there is no country that stands as strongly for the democratic overcoming of fascism as Germany. "That represents the Federal Republic. And if we succeed in establishing that in Germany, then it can succeed anywhere. That's why Musk appeared with the AfD," said the fascism expert.
And Stanley gets even more specific. When asked whether he would describe the USA as fascist, he said: "The great fascism debate has been raging for years now, and I don't know anyone who deals with the topic who wouldn't say: It's fascism. All the criteria apply."
According to the expert, there is the glorification of the past, the emphasis on us versus them, the culture of lies, the condemnation of complexity, the belief in hierarchies, the celebration of an order imposed from above. "It's all there," says Stanley.
While Stanley recognizes clear signs of fascism, there are also arguments against it.
Hubertus Knabe, one of Germany's best-known historians and author of the book "Day of Liberation: The End of the War in East Germany," doesn't approve of "the inflated use of the term fascist," he told FOCUS online.
The term comes from Italian and simply means "bundler." "That's what the nationalist fighting groups of the former socialist Benito Mussolini called themselves," explains Knabe.
"Central features of his rule were a cult of leadership, violence, extreme nationalism, and a militant mass movement. In addition, the electoral law was changed, left-wing newspapers were banned, and all non-fascist parties were dissolved. Trade unions also ceased to exist."
None of this can be said of the USA, says the historian. Rather, Trump is a democratically elected president with strong authoritarian tendencies. Unfortunately, there are many of those around the world.
The fact that he was elected and his policies met with little resistance is, according to the historian, primarily the fault of the Democrats. "Not only did they nominate the wrong candidate (Editor's note: Joe Biden and later Kamala Harris), but they also ignored popular sentiment," says Knabe, referring to the disastrous Democratic election campaign last year.
Not least, American universities, with their excessive gender and diversity policies, played a role in Trump's rise. "Demonizing him as 'fascist' now is likely to strengthen him. We certainly had to experience this in Germany when dealing with the AfD," the historian said.
US expert Jäger also sees arguments against the fascism theory. He argues that such a development is not yet fully developed in detail and is therefore reversible. "That would be a difficult undertaking because the government is not adhering to the constitution and the law and, in particular, is simply ignoring the powers of parliament."
Whether the judiciary can halt this development will also depend on the strength of the resistance in the political and public sphere, Jäger said. "The US is still a long way from a fascist order."
Jäger, however, maintains: "The characteristics are recognizable." In the president's worldview, this development is a desired reality, "because Trump would ideally like to be able to act as unrestrictedly as the president of Russia."
Oh he is going to try again, however 22nd Amendment is in his way. The only way could be he declare state of emergency. In which he can postpone the Election as long he see fit.
Markus
u crank
04-02-25, 06:44 AM
well that's unfortunate!! :03:
Why?
I was going to say something and thought it best to not!:yep:
Nice post Skybird! :up:
Otto Harkaman
04-02-25, 07:31 AM
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well that's unfortunate!! :03:
We did it just to piss you off Reece.
Oh he is going to try again, however 22nd Amendment is in his way. The only way could be he declare state of emergency. In which he can postpone the Election as long he see fit.
Markus
LMAO,... Not without ripping up the Constitution and dissolving both Congress and the Supreme Court and declaring Martial Law. which means he would need the entire Military behind him. At which point the U.S. would instantly descend into civil war. (you forget, there are 300 million weapons in the hands of civilians in this country)
Individual States may postpone or extend their Federal elections only under extraordinary emergencies that preclude them from having elections on election day. (think natural disaster).
I don't think you foreigners really understand just how independent the average U.S. Citizen is.
FYI: the Constitution does NOT allow for federal elections to be postponed or suspended period. Lest you forget, We held elections in the midst of a civil war.
Buddahaid
04-02-25, 09:46 AM
LMAO,... Not without ripping up the Constitution and dissolving both Congress and the Supreme Court and declaring Martial Law. which means he would need the entire Military behind him. At which point the U.S. would instantly descend into civil war. (you forget, there are 300 million weapons in the hands of civilians in this country)
Individual States may postpone or extend their Federal elections only under extraordinary emergencies that preclude them from having elections on election day. (think natural disaster).
I don't think you foreigners really understand just how independent the average U.S. Citizen is.
FYI: the Constitution does NOT allow for federal elections to be postponed or suspended period. Lest you forget, We held elections in the midst of a civil war.
So far, the Constitution is being severely tested and only hanging on by the judges doing their jobs. Weird how everyone that doesn't kiss the ring is labeled a far-left radical no matter what their background.
Skybird
04-02-25, 10:00 AM
I was going to say something and thought it best to not!:yep:
Nice post Skybird! :up:I only say it and post it because I have absolutely no plan to ever tourist-travel to the US.
Too many reports of visitors being arrested and locked up for days before thrown out not becasue they had legal complaints from past offences in the US or smuggling weed, but because they had Trump-critical comments on their social media. Thats worse than anything I ever experienced in the 90s in the ME, including Algeria, Libya, Syria and Iran. I said years ago I would never try to enter Turkey (and now Iran) again due to stuff I have posted (and grantedm also some contacts I had back then). The same argument now also applies to the US. You do not expose to this kind of risk needlessly.
I really think this all and many other things are alarming. Streamlining the Führerkult, supressing press, free opinion, both in citizens and foreigners alike.
I only fear we are not far behind over here. The new giovenbrment mulls legislation to crimninalise criticsmk of the Gerkman goverbment and wnats to abandon certain laws that enable transparency and freedom of informaiton rights. They do not want to be held accoutnable any longer, that is.
Freedom is being attacked everywhere, around and in the whole West, the rest of the world anyway.
It was nice as long as it lasted. Now it gets strangled to death.
So far, the Constitution is being severely tested and only hanging on by the judges doing their jobs. Weird how everyone that doesn't kiss the ring is labeled a far-left radical no matter what their background.
BS,... (IMO) Some of those Judges are overstepping, but that's what the appeals process is for, and at the end of the day. the Supreme Court will have the final word.
Skybird
04-02-25, 10:33 AM
Everything that happened in Germany at that time had a legal basis and was formally in accordance with the law. The courts spoke valid German law. Even the infamous Volksgerichtshof and its show trials acted on the basis of what it had been legally authorized to do. And some laws rooting in the Nazi era are valid until today in Germany. ;)
Don't confuse correct formalism with ethical and moral legitimacy. There is a reason why Trump worked for years to bring loyal judges to high ranking court positions.
Buddahaid
04-02-25, 10:38 AM
BS,... (IMO) Some of those Judges are overstepping, but that's what the appeals process is for, and at the end of the day. the Supreme Court will have the final word.
Fair enough but from my view it’s the Executive Branch overstepping.
u crank
04-02-25, 11:20 AM
There is a reason why Trump worked for years to bring loyal judges to high ranking court positions.
All Presidents do this. Trump didn't invent it nor is he the only one who has done it.
VipertheSniper
04-02-25, 11:28 AM
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Please inform yourself about the innocent people (as far as falling under the AEA, admitted by the DOJ) who were also shipped off to El Salvador, before you're peddling this disgusting propaganda.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.15.0.pdf
Trump Tells Inner Circle That Musk Will Leave Soon President Donald Trump has told his inner circle, including members of his Cabinet, that Elon Musk will be stepping back in the coming weeks from his current role as governing partner, ubiquitous cheerleader and Washington hatchet man. The president remains pleased with Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency initiative, but both men have decided in recent days that it will soon be time for Musk to return to his businesses and take on a supporting role, according to three Trump insiders who were granted anonymity to describe the evolving relationship.
Musk’s looming retreat comes as some Trump administration insiders and many outside allies have become frustrated with his unpredictability and increasingly view the billionaire as a political liability, a dynamic that was thrown into stark relief Tuesday when a conservative judge Musk vocally supported lost his bid for a Wisconsin Supreme Court seat by 10 points. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/04/02/trump-musk-leaving-political-liability-00265784
Fair enough but from my view it’s the Executive Branch overstepping. Then you should get your prescription lenses updated, cause your seeing things that aren't there.:03:
All Presidents do this. Trump didn't invent it nor is he the only one who has done it.
Correct, part of the reason for the 22nd Amendment was Roosevelt's attempts to get the Supreme court under his thumb.
I do understand why Trump have put a 20 % tariff on products from EU. The European had/have to pay a tariff when they ordered things from USA.
I remember those times where I ordered models from USA I had to pay almost the same in costumer tariff as the price of the models.
Markus
So far, the Constitution is being severely tested and only hanging on by the judges doing their jobs. Weird how everyone that doesn't kiss the ring is labeled a far-left radical no matter what their background.
Weird how some people, mostly democrats, continue to pretend that Trump is some kind of nazi anti-christ bent on destroying humanity. Apparently eliminating billions of dollars of federal government graft and waste is something that these people take personally.
Buddahaid
04-02-25, 05:46 PM
Weird how some people, mostly democrats, continue to pretend that Trump is some kind of nazi anti-christ bent on destroying humanity. Apparently eliminating billions of dollars of federal government graft and waste is something that these people take personally.
Funny how all that waste reduction is adding trillions to the debt while at the same time cutting benefits and increasing federal monthly spending. And then there's the largest tax increase ever announced today by the orange bozo's tariffs. Win. :shucks:
EDIT: The stock market will be fun to watch tomorrow.
Funny how all that waste reduction is adding trillions to the debt while at the same time cutting benefits and increasing federal monthly spending. And then there's the largest tax increase ever announced today by the orange bozo's tariffs. Win. :shucks:
EDIT: The stock market will be fun to watch tomorrow.
Source please. Show me how trillions are being "added" to the debt.
AVGWarhawk
04-02-25, 06:16 PM
Funny how all that waste reduction is adding trillions to the debt while at the same time cutting benefits and increasing federal monthly spending. And then there's the largest tax increase ever announced today by the orange bozo's tariffs. Win. :shucks:
EDIT: The stock market will be fun to watch tomorrow.
What trillions did Trump add? The new proposed budget? Increased monthly spending? USA has been ripped off for decades when it concerns tariffs. Its high time shake up and change because the business as usual the USA is on the losing end.
Funny how all that waste reduction is adding trillions to the debt while at the same time cutting benefits and increasing federal monthly spending. And then there's the largest tax increase ever announced today by the orange bozo's tariffs. Win. :shucks:
EDIT: The stock market will be fun to watch tomorrow.
I keep seeing that same statement in various quarters, and yet NOT one of those outlets have been specific as to what benefits are being cut other than to say Medicare, Social Security and Veterans . So my question is, what specific benefits are being cut, and by how much?
I keep seeing that same statement in various quarters, and yet NOT one of those outlets have been specific as to what benefits are being cut other than to say Medicare, Social Security and Veterans . So my question is, what specific benefits are being cut, and by how much?
My guess would be:
Medicare to illegal aliens
Social security to people in their 150's
VA bureaucrats who don't actually contribute anything.
Shadowblade
04-02-25, 07:41 PM
Weird how some people, mostly democrats, continue to pretend that Trump is some kind of nazi anti-christ bent on destroying humanity.
same here, the media in my country behave as if there should be elections here too :D
Hi Shadowblade, been a while, hope all is well! :yep:
Out of curiosity where is "my country"? :hmmm:
We did it just to piss you off Reece.
Gee thanks Dave, I'll just go sit in the corner of the room and sulk now! :oops:
Skybird
04-02-25, 08:27 PM
https://youtu.be/HQb8FvwqioI?si=_hpw0YRiF6JmIrRp
Yeh!! so chew on that boys!! :O:
Shadowblade
04-02-25, 09:17 PM
Hi Shadowblade, been a while, hope all is well! :yep:
Out of curiosity where is "my country"? :hmmm:
hi, thanks :)
Czech Republic, in heart of Europe
The tariffs being charged by foreign countries on US goods is in blue/white and the new reciprocal tariffs that we're charging them back for foreign goods is in orange.
As you can see they're only half of what we've been charged by these countries.
https://i.imgur.com/G6ukZEQ.jpg
Buddahaid
04-02-25, 10:00 PM
The tariffs being charged by foreign countries on US goods is in blue/white and the new reciprocal tariffs that we're charging them back for foreign goods is in orange.
As you can see they're only half of what we've been charged by these countries.
And they are still stupid and driven by the ignorance of a dementia suffering moron.
Otto Harkaman
04-02-25, 11:05 PM
^ We will bite you
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Otto Harkaman
04-02-25, 11:14 PM
^^ and Laugh in your face
https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/d89063c/2147483647/legacy_thumbnail/1200x799%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F5f%2F09%2 F24799e76454bb9c5be71d41af70c%2F200811-kamala-harris-3-ap-773.jpg
https://media.zenfs.com/en/business_insider_articles_888/efa1c33541ea9391eca006f0b6329126
Ostfriese
04-02-25, 11:48 PM
The tariffs being charged by foreign countries on US goods is in blue/white and the new reciprocal tariffs that we're charging them back for foreign goods is in orange.
As you can see they're only half of what we've been charged by these countries.
Most of the numbers are outright incorrect. They are calculated via a simple formula, trade deficit divided by the overall value of imports. That's not a tariff.
There are few overall tariffs, most are only on selected goods. Until Trump went bonkers with his tariffs the average tariff rate for US goods in the European Union was at about 3%. The US already had a 25% tariff on light trucks / pick-ups from European automakers, something that is not represented in the numbers presented by Trump.
In general the numbers Trump shows only serve as distraction - in reality tariffs on US-products had been comparatively low in most countries of the world.
But as it's you Americans who will have to pay the tariffs, it doesn't matter that much anyway. It's your prices that will go up, not ours. No, it's not China who will pay for the tariffs, it's you, the Average Joe. Tariffs are nothing like a thinly veiled tax, and they will hit hard. And they will hit unequally - the poorer you are the harder the hit will be.
And they are still stupid and driven by the ignorance of a dementia suffering moron.
Who was chosen by the American people over your parties own dementia suffering moron and his last minute appointed replacement fool. Learn to deal with it.
I'm curious, do you think it's fine that those countries get to charge us tariffs for American goods but expect us not to tariff their imports in return? Side question, were tariffs imposed by the Biden administration stupid as well?
Tariffs on imported goods and excise taxes were how the federal government funded itself before it figured out how to suck even more money directly from its citizens through taxes on their income. The Feds still take excise taxes, and on more things than ever before, so why are tariffs suddenly so evil, is it because they're being used by Bad Orange Man? I don't remember you getting so fauxraged when the Biden hiked the tariff on Chinese EV's to 100% back in September.
But as it's you Americans who will have to pay the tariffs, it doesn't matter that much anyway. It's your prices that will go up, not ours. No, it's not China who will pay for the tariffs, it's you, the Average Joe. Tariffs are nothing like a thinly veiled tax, and they will hit hard. And they will hit unequally - the poorer you are the harder the hit will be.
We only have to pay for tariffs if we buy foreign made items. Made in USA baby! I have 100 acres of Maine woods that is due to be harvested and we've held off doing it because cheap Canadian imported lumber has driven down the value. Maybe now that'll change.
The tariffs being charged by foreign countries on US goods is in blue/white and the new reciprocal tariffs that we're charging them back for foreign goods is in orange.
As you can see they're only half of what we've been charged by these countries.
https://i.imgur.com/G6ukZEQ.jpg
August, you should not believe all what your administration tells you. That the EU would charge 39% is plain wrong.
https://www.chosun.com/english/national-en/2025/04/03/ZBTJFC6ZXFHLJPFS5RTMCORHCI
And included also are VATs. European companies have also to pay the same VATs of crs.
Just research by yourself. It is nonsense.
And we had this here dozen times already: the trade deficit does not include digital services like Cloud computing etc. Here the EU has a very big trade deficit with the US.
In the end, all will get poorer, not richer....
You guys are/were in the pole position to leverage most of the AI boom in the next 10 years. Trump does not tell you that in 10-15 years AI will also more and more used to produce goods and the whole job market will change much faster than during the industrial revolution in the 19th century. Tarrifs will not protect that workforce but education and changing the economics of the society.
Now I am pretty sure, when this will not be soon settled, the EU will turn to China. And then I am quite sure the US will loose its leadership concerning AI in the longterm. Trump does not understand geopolitics at all.
Most of the numbers are outright incorrect. They are calculated via a simple formula, trade deficit divided by the overall value of imports. That's not a tariff.
There are few overall tariffs, most are only on selected goods. Until Trump went bonkers with his tariffs the average tariff rate for US goods in the European Union was at about 3%. The US already had a 25% tariff on light trucks / pick-ups from European automakers, something that is not represented in the numbers presented by Trump.
In general the numbers Trump shows only serve as distraction - in reality tariffs on US-products had been comparatively low in most countries of the world.
But as it's you Americans who will have to pay the tariffs, it doesn't matter that much anyway. It's your prices that will go up, not ours. No, it's not China who will pay for the tariffs, it's you, the Average Joe. Tariffs are nothing like a thinly veiled tax, and they will hit hard. And they will hit unequally - the poorer you are the harder the hit will be.
Well maybe so, But we have spent the Biden years, being poor so What the Hell, Do we have to lose ? Look i was living poor before Trump and now, ****
Ostfriese
04-03-25, 01:31 AM
Well maybe so, But we have spent the Biden years, being poor so What the Hell, Do we have to lose ?
Unfortunately yes. Quite a bit.
Look i was living poor before Trump
I'm honestly sorry to hear that, and I'm certain that you didn't do anything to deserve that.
and now, **** i will back him.Look if you have nothing to grab when you fall,
The problem is, that Trump won't make it better for you, on the contrary. He makes policies for the ultra rich, and none of us here belongs to that group.
Because socialism from the top down, Demands when you fall and can not keep beating a bush to supply firewood. You have outlived the use to the Party.
Quite frankly, that moment will come for you with Trump for sure and much sooner than you'll like. Those who voted for him are already starting their use and are being thrown under the bus. Just ask the Cuban Americans or Venezuelan Americans who voted for him and now find themselves on the deportation flights.
Shearwater
04-03-25, 01:49 AM
And included also are VATs. European companies have also to pay the same VATs of crs.
Just research by yourself. It is nonsense.
The whole method by which this was done is highly questionable and looks like it's based on a five-minute wikipedia resarch done by some intern.
Even an island only populated by penguins (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/donald-trump-tariffs-antarctica-uninhabited-heard-mcdonald-islands)now faces a 10% tarrif. It While it sounds funny or ridiculous at first, it's s clear that this whole thing was done without research and based much more on gut feeling and anger than on any verifiable facts whatsoever. In other words, not really professional.
Ostfriese
04-03-25, 01:53 AM
We only have to pay for tariffs if we buy foreign made items. Made in USA baby!
There are very few products that are entirely (100%) Made in the USA. That's the thing about supply chains which people have been trying to explain to you since Trump first came up with tariffs against Canada and Mexico. Any complex product these days has parts coming from all over the world, and even half of the things in a supermarket are at least partially made with foreign parts/ingredients.
And by the way, "Made in the USA" actually only means that the product has been assembled in the US - it can be made entirely of foreign parts/ingredients.
You cannot evade the tariffs even if you completely restrict yourself to buying "Made in the USA". That might have worked in the late 19th century, but it doesn't work in the globalized economy we have these days.
Otto Harkaman
04-03-25, 02:35 AM
Please inform yourself about the innocent people (as far as falling under the AEA, admitted by the DOJ) who were also shipped off to El Salvador, before you're peddling this disgusting propaganda.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.15.0.pdf
Nope, outta here!
Who do you think you are telling me what to do!
Otto Harkaman
04-03-25, 04:12 AM
https://youtu.be/dRObS4OfJlg?si=j-t07_57Djs7tMDJ
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 05:15 AM
Biden hiked tariffs. China had 100% on electric vehicles and 50% on solar panels. So what's the issue with Trump's???
Skybird
04-03-25, 05:39 AM
Trump added 1 and 1 and got 11 as a result.
Everybody loses. Including American average households. Could even be that these in the end will lose more than those Trump claims he wanted to target. 3 to 3.5 thousand per year, some US media calcualted yesterday.
Okay, so then a needless trade war next. Man gönnt sich ja sonst nix und ein Bisschen Spaß ist immer gut. :roll:
Skybird
04-03-25, 06:03 AM
Another one of those things I predicted. I gave them both six months from the start of their administration. Maximum. I said Trump enthusiastically celebrates any new loyal hero of his - and the moment his hero fails a minor, a little bit, he condemns him and sends him into the ninth ring of hell. It's a pattern in his biography. The separation this time now is more silent, but that is owed to Trump's self-interest. Don't ask what Trump now really thinks of Musk. You probably would be scared.
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[FOCUS] (https://www.focus.de/finanzen/gastbeitrag-von-carsten-maschmeyer-deshalb-kam-es-zum-grossen-knall-zwischen-donald-trump-und-elon-musk_65dca337-0b37-4dea-9d51-45b85c8d9e6d.html) The rift between Elon Musk and Donald Trump was foreseeable. While Trump needs loyalists around him, Musk's erratic actions have lost him the myth of the successful entrepreneur. Two big egos, loyal only to themselves, are now parting ways while saving face - good news for democracy and the economy.
The White House had kind words for the fact that the alliance between Elon Musk and Donald Trump will soon come to an end. Companies use similar phrases when they have to part ways with managers who are no longer tenable. Neither side should lose face.
But the split was foreseeable. Two big egos loyal only to themselves. It was only a matter of time before the split occurred. The only question was whether it would break with a bang or, as in this case, save as much face as possible.
Officially, Elon Musk's position as a "Special Government Employee" is only allowed to last 130 days. So, it would have ended at the end of May anyway. On the other hand, everyone is aware that some way to extend it would surely have been found if those involved had wanted it.
Elon Musk and Donald Trump seemed inseparable in recent months. He was a regular guest in the Oval Office, attended cabinet meetings, Trump had a Tesla parked in front of the White House, attended the SpaceX rocket launch, and Musk visited him at Mar-a-Lago.
But: Musk simply became too uncomfortable for Trump. Trump needs loyalists, and Musk is only loyal to himself. The massive and radical downsizing of federal agencies is not only met with approval in the country, but cabinet members have certainly viewed the approach as intrusive – after all, it limits the power of the ministers.
The cabinet of loyalists, however, must remain stable at all costs. During his first term, he was heavily criticized for the fact that hardly any of his employees stayed in their positions for more than a few months. That should change in this presidency. Not even when attack plans are discussed in a near-public chat group does someone have to leave.
Musk has already lost one quality that was valuable to Trump through his work: the aura of a successful entrepreneur. His occasionally erratic actions and open support for extreme right-wing parties in Europe caused Tesla sales and, consequently, the stock price to collapse.
Tesla shareholders can be pleased that Musk can now devote more attention to electric cars again. The multiple burdens of being a multi-CEO are already too much; each of his companies, from X to Tesla to SpaceX, would require his full attention on its own.
Both sides will now allow Musk's tenure to end and act as if this end had always been planned. This is good news for the economy and democracy.
Ostfriese
04-03-25, 06:14 AM
Biden hiked tariffs. China had 100% on electric vehicles and 50% on solar panels. So what's the issue with Trump's???
Do you really not understand that?
Tariffs so far were on very specific products which make up a very small part of the entire imports. It's usually done to protect own industries to remain competitive - like the 25% tariff the US has on European light trucks /pickup trucks. Tariffs always have negative comsequences for the consumer and the industries as well. Implementing tariffs requires careful consideration and must attempt to strike a balance.
Trump's tariffs cover the entire spectrum (and once again: YOU pay the tariffs, the Average American Joe), and they come with no consideration at all. Trump uses tariffs as a blunt hammer where a chirurgical scalpel would be necessary. The tariffs are also put up based on trade deficits. Anything you buy that contains even a minimal part produced in a foreign country will. become more expensive for you. Anything in the US that is produced for export (starting with farm goods) will become less competitive on the international markets due to counter tariffs.
And no, you are not going to get jobs back to the US. The US simply cannot compete with the Chinese in most producing sectors as the Chinese simply **** on workers' rights and pay them wages that make even a waiter with minimum wage rich in comparison.
What the tariffs will do, in short:
- make everything more expensive for the average American, including August's 100%-American products (because they can raise prices, as long as they are cheaper than the imported stuff. And don't tell me "they won't do that" - of course they will, that's capitalism).
- it will strangle American exports as countertariffs will definitely be implemented.
Of course other nations will also be hit, but they can (and will) trade with each other, mostly free of tariffs, so the hits will be less hard than for the Americans. The US are a big market, sure, but not the only one.
No one will win in a tariff war, every nation will struggle because of the tariffs, but the Americans are the ones who will be hardest hit byTrumps tariffs. And of course it won't solve the trade deficit. You have trade deficits because other nations have much lower wages and production has been outsorced there.
Skybird
04-03-25, 06:16 AM
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_6804
[Frankfurter Rundschau] Bernd Lange, Chairman of the EU Trade Committee, also launched an EU instrument in response to Trump's tariffs called the “nuclear bomb in the economy”. He emphasized to Die Zeit that this is a weapon that should not be used, but can be kept ready just in case.
We are talking about the Anti-Coercion Instrument (ACI). It has been in force since December 2023 and enables the EU to completely cease trade with a third country that threatens Europe.To do so, certain conditions must be met that affect trade or investment.
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Personally I would suggest to normally tax the American big high tech corporations like Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon and the likes. So far they pay practically nil VAT. This must be changed. Let them pay the same VAT every other European company must.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/may/04/amazon-sales-income-europe-corporation-tax-luxembourg
You see, thing is the EU may not be a military actor, but it is an economic heavy weight, big enough to not only swallow but also to dish out severly. Thats why Trump hates it so much and wants it being destroyed, so that he can deal with weak individual states . Divide et impera. But the reality is that the EU is there. And this time for our - European - better.
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 06:56 AM
Henry Clay
"From the nation's earliest days, Congress has struggled with the fundamental issue of the national government's proper role in fostering economic development. Henry Clay's "American System," devised in the burst of nationalism that followed the War of 1812, remains one of the most historically significant examples of a government-sponsored program to harmonize and balance the nation's agriculture, commerce, and industry. This "System" consisted of three mutually reinforcing parts: a tariff to protect and promote American industry; a national bank to foster commerce; and federal subsidies for roads, canals, and other "internal improvements" to develop profitable markets for agriculture. Funds for these subsidies would be obtained from tariffs and sales of public lands. Clay argued that a vigorously maintained system of sectional economic interdependence would eliminate the chance of renewed subservience to the free-trade, laissez-faire "British System.""
"One biographer concluded that "there was a serious statesman in him along with the gamester-politician; behind his never-ending series of plausible expedients there was a consistency of purpose. Clay has been overrated as a politician and underrated as a statesman."
"Defense of the American System" Henry Clay.
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/AmericanSystem.pdf
No different today than it was in the 1800s.
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 07:00 AM
Do you really not understand that?
Tariffs so far were on very specific products which make up a very small part of the entire imports.
And now it is being broadened. Do you really not understand that?
Trump wants industry back in America. So do I. The USA makes nothing. It is nothing but a service industry country. There are only some many McDonalds that people can work. Manufacturing jobs to return is a good thing. Is it going to hurt for a while? You bet. But, it will get better.
Ostfriese
04-03-25, 07:04 AM
No different today than it was in the 1800s.
On the contrary, it's completely different. In the 1800s products were nowhere near as complex, and neither were supply chains. Imports were almost entirely raw materials, and the entire production chain happened in a single country.
That's simply no longer the case in the economy of the 21st century. Maufacturing has been spread out all over the world for a number of reasons, and supply chains are complex, parts come from allover the world. A modern car usually has parts made in dozens of different countries.
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 07:05 AM
On the contrary, it's completely different. In the 1800s products were nowhere near as complex, and neither were supply chains. Imports were almost entirely raw materials, and the entire production chain happened in a single country.
That's simply no longer the case in the economy of the 21st century. Maufacturing has been spread out all over the world for a number of reasons, and supply chains are complex, parts come from allover the world. A modern car usually has parts made in dozens of different countries.
I'm sorry, the logic behind Clay remains the same.
Ostfriese
04-03-25, 07:18 AM
Trump wants industry back in America. So do I. The USA makes nothing. It is nothing but a service industry country. There are only some many McDonalds that people can work. Manufacturing jobs to return is a good thing. Is it going to hurt for a while? You bet. But, it will get better.
A lot of manufacturing is simply too expensive in the US, and you simply cannot reduce the costs down to a level that would allow industries to become competitive. You'd either have to dramatically curtail wages or to put much, much higher tariffs into effect - which would result in enormous price increasess.
Imagine a plastic object made in China which is being sold in the US for $2. Production costs will be much lower of course, but for the sake of the argument let's say that production costs $1. Producing the same object in the US costs much more than the selling price of the Chinese product. To bring in revenue you'd have to sell this object for something like $6.50 (and this is a common example, by the way, and goes especially for objects made of common plastics - my number is actually below the lowest estimate).
To make a US produced object made of plastics you'd either have do implement drastic tariffs, far higher than what Trump has currently proposed, so that the Chinese product can only be sold for prices >$6.50, or you'd have to dramatically curtail costs to allow the American product being produced for <$1.
That's without considering that the necessary industry simply doesn't exist in the USA.
So, about your last statement: will it be better? For the consumer/Average Joe it won't. He'll be either paid much worse or he'll have to pay much higher prices.
Ostfriese
04-03-25, 07:21 AM
I'm sorry, the logic behind Clay remains the same.
I'm sorry, but it does not. Not even for agriculture - the most lucrative part of American agriculture is the export sector.
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 07:25 AM
I'm sorry, but it does not. Not even for agriculture - the most lucrative part of American agriculture is the export sector.
"In 2024, the U.S. exported $176 billion in agricultural products to a total of 189 countries and territories. However, 75% of our total exports went to only 10 markets and nearly half (47%) of our agricultural exports went to only three countries: Mexico, Canada and China"
Hmmmm...wonder why Trump has targeted these three countries?
Exocet25fr
04-03-25, 07:34 AM
Trump imposes tariffs on uninhabited islands near Antarctica :haha: :har:
A group of barren, uninhabited volcanic islands near Antarctica, covered in glaciers and home to penguins, have been swept up in Donald Trump’s trade war, as the US president hit them with a 10% tariff on goods.
Heard Island and McDonald Islands, which form an external territory of Australia, are among the remotest places on Earth, accessible only via a two-week boat voyage from Perth on Australia’s west coast. They are completely uninhabited, with the last visit from people believed to be nearly 10 years ago.
The Australian prime minister, Anthony Albanese, said on Thursday: “Nowhere on Earth is safe.” :)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/donald-trump-tariffs-antarctica-uninhabited-heard-mcdonald-islands
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 07:37 AM
Trump imposes tariffs on uninhabited islands near Antarctica :haha: :har:
Planning ahead. :03:
Ostfriese
04-03-25, 07:40 AM
"In 2024, the U.S. exported $176 billion in agricultural products to a total of 189 countries and territories. However, 75% of our total exports went to only 10 markets and nearly half (47%) of our agricultural exports went to only three countries: Mexico, Canada and China"
Hmmmm...wonder why Trump has targeted these three countries?
Because it's enough to distract people like you?
Your tariffs don't affect your exports. Other countries' tariffs affect your exports. And, surprise: Canada, Mexico and China have, as reaction to Trumps tariffs, either already targeted agriculture exports or will do so soon.
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 07:44 AM
Because it's enough to distract people like you?
Your tariffs don't affect your exports. Other countries' tariffs affect your exports. And, surprise: Canada, Mexico and China have, as reaction to Trumps tariffs, either already targeted agriculture exports or will do so soon.
It is enough to see there is a unbalance of tariffs. You are not grasping the big picture. Bring manufacturing back to America.
My favorite advertising I see often, "Made in America" from parts from another country.
Ostfriese
04-03-25, 07:49 AM
It is enough to see there is a unbalance of tariffs.
Yikes, haven't you been reading what I wrote? The numbers Trump presented are NOT tariffs! The percentages given are the amount of the trade deficit divided by the total amount of trade.
The US does NOT have a trade deficit because of tariffs! The US have a trade deficit because it's CHEAPER to import than to produce at home.
You are not grasping the big picture.
Frankly, I'd say that I understand FAR more of the big picture than you do.
Bring manufacturing back to America.
As I said repeatedly: that is NOT going to happen beyond a very small number of very small cases. You cannot go as low with wages or as high with prices to make this happen.
My favorite advertising I see often, "Made in America" from parts from another country.
And again: "Made in the USA" means that the product is assembled in the USA - it does not mean the parts come from the USA. You can put "Made in America" on a product even if ALL it's parts have been imported.
It is enough to see there is a unbalance of tariffs. You are not grasping the big picture. Bring manufacturing back to America.
My favorite advertising I see often, "Made in America" from parts from another country.
Which Volvo have in mind-Moving more of its production to USA
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/volvo-vows-to-boost-us-production-in-response-to-tariffs/89109183
Markus
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 07:53 AM
Yikes, haven't you been reading what I wrote? The numbers Trump presented are NOT tariffs! The percentages given are the amount of the trade deficit divided by the total amount of trade.
The US does NOT have a trade deficit because of tariffs! The US have a trade deficit because it's CHEAPER to import than to produce at home.
Frankly, I'd say that I understand FAR more of the big picture than you do.
As I said repeatedly: that is NOT going to happen beyond a very small number of very small cases. You cannot go as low with wages or as high with prices to make this happen.
And again: "Made in the USA" means that the product is assembled in the USA - it does not mean the parts come from the USA. You can put "Made in America" on a product even if ALL it's parts have been imported.
Sigh....you don't understand deceptive advertising. Made in America from crappy parts made elsewhere. I don't care about cheap crap made in China that is less expensive to purchase. It is absolute junk and loads of it at Walmart. Have you heard of Harbor Freight Tools? The running joke is buy two of each because the first one is going to break halfway through the job. I'd rather pay more for a product that will last then less for a product that is broken within the first use.
Ostfriese
04-03-25, 08:02 AM
Sigh....you don't understand deceptive advertising. I don't care about cheap crap made in China that is less expensive to purchase. Is is absolute junk and loads of it at Walmart. Have you heard of Harbor Freight Tools? The running joke is buy two of each because the first one is going to break halfway through the job. I'd rather pay more for a product that will last then less for a product that is broken within the first use.
I haven't heard of these specific tools, but I understand your general idea and can even follow that one. Quite often the slogan "buy cheap, buy twice" is correct, and there's no point arguing about.
But just because a product is more expensive it does not mean that it is of (much) higher quality - and it also does not mean that it only contains parts made in the US.
Oh, and of course there are also crappy US American products, just as there are high quality Chinese products.
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 08:15 AM
I haven't heard of these specific tools, but I understand your general idea and can even follow that one. Quite often the slogan "buy cheap, buy twice" is correct, and there's no point arguing about.
But just because a product is more expensive it does not mean that it is of (much) higher quality - and it also does not mean that it only contains parts made in the US.
Oh, and of course there are also crappy US American products, just as there are high quality Chinese products.
I have a plethora of Snap-On Tools(made in USA) that are over 40 years old that still are up to the task today. The tools in their make up is all from the USA. I have tools from China that broke the first use, rounded bolts and nuts at the first turn(crappy tolerances) or simply did not work out of the box. Understand I own 2 classic cars and 2 daily drivers. I do all my own work on them. A set of front wheel bearing for a 54 Buick from China crap out in 10 miles. If I can find a set for a 54 Buick made in the USA on Ebay I buy the set because they will last. I buy them even if I don't need them. They can sit on my shelf for my vehicle if needed.
There are much more crappy items from China than USA. Then again, it makes sense because China makes all of the junk that is shipped to the USA. Now we have come full circle. Bring manufacturing back to America. Provide work for Americans. Grow the economy locally. Enough time has been spent growing every other countries economy.
Buddahaid
04-03-25, 09:04 AM
…Learn to deal with it.
I'm curious, do you think it's fine that those countries get to charge us tariffs for American goods but expect us not to …
Herbert Hoover.
And now it is being broadened. Do you really not understand that?
Trump wants industry back in America. So do I. The USA makes nothing. It is nothing but a service industry country. There are only some many McDonalds that people can work. Manufacturing jobs to return is a good thing. Is it going to hurt for a while? You bet. But, it will get better.
That's the crux of the tariff issue and what people are ignoring. Case in point, back in the 80's Foreign Automakers (Toyota) started flooding the U.S. market undercutting U.S. automakers, Reagan threatened to slap tariffs on imported Autos, Toyota got the hint and opened it's first manufacturing plant on U.S. soil.
You have to look long and hard for finished goods that are "made in America" . Manufacturing left the U.S. in the 70's & 80's, Trump want's to bring it back.
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 09:09 AM
That's the crux of the tariff issue and what people are ignoring. Case in point, back in the 80's Foreign Automakers (Toyota) started flooding the U.S. market undercutting U.S. automakers, Reagan threatened to slap tariffs on imported Autos, Toyota got the hint and opened it's first manufacturing plant on U.S. soil.
You have to look long and hard for finished goods that are "made in America" . Manufacturing left the U.S. in the 70's & 80's, Trump want's to bring it back.
That is the problem...looking hard for finished goods that are made in America! There is none. It's all junk from China that finds it's way to the landfill in under a year. I do remember the first Toyota plant constructed in America. Reagan knew there was a problem.
Commander Wallace
04-03-25, 09:12 AM
I have a plethora of Snap-On Tools(made in USA) that are over 40 years old that still are up to the task today. The tools in their make up is all from the USA. I have tools from China that broke the first use, rounded bolts and nuts at the first turn(crappy tolerances) or simply did not work out of the box. Understand I own 2 classic cars and 2 daily drivers. I do all my own work on them. A set of front wheel bearing for a 54 Buick from China crap out in 10 miles. If I can find a set for a 54 Buick made in the USA on Ebay I buy the set because they will last. I buy them even if I don't need them. They can sit on my shelf for my vehicle if needed.
There are much more crappy items from China than USA. Then again, it makes sense because China makes all of the junk that is shipped to the USA. Now we have come full circle. Bring manufacturing back to America. Provide work for Americans. Grow the economy locally. Enough time has been spent growing every other countries economy.
I have 7 tool boxes here. They are all Snap on and older Craftsman Boxes.They are all filled with the odd assortment but full sets of Challenger / Proto, Snap on, Mac, Matco, Wright and a 2 full set of older, heavy. thick Steel S-K Hand tools. I have older Craftsman Motorcycle jacks as well. They are all American made and have never failed. I have been given hand tools from Harbor Freight which are made in China. As you mentioned, the size tolerances are way off with regards to tools made in China. I also have serious questions regarding the heat treatment of these tools. These harbor freight tools are barely good enough for junk yard excursions. :yep:
I have Classic cars and wrench on them and Motorcycles as well. I don't trust anyone's work except mine. I have had Motorcycles From Harley's, Polaris, Indian and various Japanese Manufacturers. Japanese Motorcycles for the most part are well built. However, Japan doesn't support these Motorcycles with spare parts after a production run has ended. China filled the void with garbage spare parts. I was left with buying Complete Motorcycles to use for parts.
This can take up a lot of space. I also have a friend who owns / operates a machine shop and I have made replacement engine parts of high quality, forged steel at his shop. There are however limits to being able to make parts, like Crankshafts. Further, not everyone has access to facilities that can manufacture new parts.
It goes without saying we need to have a good manufacturing base in the U.S. We also need to make available the proper Schooling and funding for Individuals interested in helping to build the Infrastructure of this Country. :yep:
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 09:20 AM
I have 7 tool boxes here. They are all Snap on and older Craftsman Boxes.They are all filled with the odd assortment but full sets of Challenger / Proto, Snap on, Mac, Matco, Wright and a 2 full set of older, heavy. thick Steel S-K Hand tools. I have older Craftsman Motorcycle jacks as well. They are all American made and have never failed. I have been given hand tools from Harbor Freight which are made in China. As you mentioned, the size tolerances are way off with regards to tools made in China. I also have serious questions regarding the heat treatment of these tools. These harbor freight tools are barely good enough for junk yard excursions. :yep:
I have Classic cars and wrench on them and Motorcycles as well. I don't trust anyone's work except mine. I have had Motorcycles From Harley's, Polaris, Indian and various Japanese Manufacturers. Japanese Motorcycles for the most part are well built. However, Japan doesn't support these Motorcycles with spare parts after a production run has ended. China filled the void with garbage spare parts. I was left with buying Complete Motorcycles to use for parts.
This can take up a lot of space. I also have a friend who owns / operates a machine shop and have made replacement engine parts of high quality, forged steel at his shop. However, not everyone has access to facilities that can manufacture new parts.
It goes without saying we need to have a good manufacturing base in the U.S. We also need to make available the proper Schooling and funding for Individuals interested in helping to build the Infrastructure of this Country. :yep:
We are birds of a feather. I will not disparage any product from Japan. The Japanse build quilty products(cars and motorcycles). Parts support sucks but China to the rescue with crap parts. I guess you spend time on Ebay looking for NOS parts? I do!
Just tired of making other countries wealthy with purchases of junk. My kids job opportunities amount to fast food or the health industry. We are nothing but a service oriented country.
Commander Wallace
04-03-25, 09:33 AM
We are birds of a feather. I will not disparage any product from Japan. The Japanse build quilty products(cars and motorcycles). Parts support sucks but China to the rescue with crap parts. I guess you spend time on Ebay looking for NOS parts? I do!
Just tired of making other countries wealthy with purchases of junk. My kids job opportunities amount to fast food or the health industry. We are nothing but a service oriented country.
We are birds of a feather. :yep: Like you, I spend time on Ebay and Craigslist trying to source parts. However, Both Biden and Trump understand the Importance of our Steel Industry. This is evidenced by the refusal of either of them to allow U.S Steel to be sold to Japan.
With regards to your kids and those of everyone else in the U.S, I think they will all see a revitalization of our Manufacturing base and Industries. We owe it to them and their futures. :yep:
By the way, let me know if you are looking for anything in particular, with regards to car parts. I frequently come across the odd assortment or cache of stockpiled car parts. If I don't see or have them, chances are, I may know someone who does. :yep: :)
Skybird
04-03-25, 09:54 AM
[FOCUS] US President Trump has announced a huge tariff package. A relatively absurd formula was used for the calculation, which leaves experts stunned.
The amount of the new US tariffs also puzzles experts. “We don't know how US President Donald Trump arrived at these figures,” says Rolf Langhammer, economist at the Kiel Institute for the World Economy (IfW). “We are still in the dark.”
In the meantime, Trump's trade representative has published a formula, including some explanations, which only appears complex at first glance. However, the calculations actually focus on one aspect in particular: the US trade deficit with other countries.
One example: Trump thinks it is unfair that Germany sells more cars to the USA than vice versa. While economists see this as an expression of the different competitiveness of car manufacturers in the two countries, the US President wants to compensate for the trade deficit with tariffs.
The “New York Times” and other media show the two steps Trump's government used to calculate the amount of the new tariffs.
The US trade deficit with the respective country is divided by the country's exports to the US
The result of this calculation is halved and gives the tax rate for the country.
Alongside politicians around the world, experts are also stunned. US financial journalist James Surowiecki, who was the first to draw attention to the formula, describes the approach as “extraordinary nonsense”. Trump's officials only included the trade balance for goods in the calculation, but not for services, he says. The USA has a surplus in this area, mainly due to its strong technology companies.
Claus Michelsen, chief economist at the Association of Research-Based Pharmaceutical Companies, shows how absurd the calculations are when other countries apply the formula. For example, Gibraltar could apply retaliatory tariffs of 75,000 percent against the USA if Trump's calculation is applied.
That is the problem...looking hard for finished goods that are made in America! There is none. It's all junk from China that finds it's way to the landfill in under a year. I do remember the first Toyota plant constructed in America. Reagan knew there was a problem.
Even when they're made in America, they aren't. Case in point, Toto Toilets (Japanese company) has a manufacturing facilities in Georgia & California, I picked up a replacement toilet and the bowl was made in Mexico, the Tank was made in Vietnam, there is no telling where the fill & flush valve were sourced.
Currently the Global economy is complicated what with manufacturing and supply chains. Messing with tariffs stirs that pot so to speak, and manufacturing will be moving around as will the sourcing of materials, some countries that rely on exporting goods to the U.S. (primarily China) will need to adjust.
Something that might have escaped the Europeans notice is that the Tariffs are primarily aimed at Asia, from whence most of the "cheap" goods originate.
Maybe you missed my last post about Volvo who is planning on moving more of its production to USA. They are not the only company who are thinking the same.
As I see it, it will benefit the American workers and not the workers who are losing their job due to the moving of their workplace.
Markus
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 10:27 AM
Maybe you missed my last post about Volvo who is planning on moving more of its production to USA. They are not the only company who are thinking the same.
As I see it, it will benefit the American workers and not the workers who are losing their job due to the moving of their workplace.
Markus
I did miss that post. On the same token, this is what happened to American workers when Ford, GM and Chrysler moved plants to other countries. Two wrongs to not make it right, certainly.
VipertheSniper
04-03-25, 11:18 AM
Nope, outta here!
Who do you think you are telling me what to do!
Maybe I should tell you to continue watching Fox News and believe everything they say at face value if that is your reaction.
Buddahaid
04-03-25, 11:59 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act
"Hoover signed the bill against the advice of many senior economists, yielding to pressure from his party and business leaders. Although intended to bolster domestic employment and manufacturing, the tariffs instead exacerbated economic difficulties. Many of America's trading partners retaliated with tariffs of their own, leading to a sharp decline in global trade. U.S. exports plummeted, worsening the depression rather than alleviating it. Economists and historians widely regard the act as a policy misstep that deepened the global economic crisis of the 1930s."
You could say Trump coughed and the world did catch the cold.
Markus
Otto Harkaman
04-03-25, 12:50 PM
My conversations with AI Sun Tzu about Trump's Tariffs :hmmm:
"In war, as in trade, the greatest victory is achieved without direct confrontation. To impose tariffs without careful strategy is like laying a trap in open field—both your own resources and your enemy’s resolve may be wasted. Know your strengths and your weaknesses, and know your enemy’s. Use tariffs not as a blunt weapon, but as a calculated tool to strengthen your own defenses while inviting fewer retaliatory strikes. Build your internal capabilities and form alliances, for isolation weakens a state even as it shields it from harm. A wise leader protects his people by ensuring the prosperity of the home front, not by provoking needless conflict on the global stage."
We will see what happens, the bets are placed, the dice cast, we await the outcome
"In this high-stakes game, while the bets are indeed placed and the dice cast, it will be crucial to watch how markets, manufacturers, and global partners adapt. Ultimately, the results will likely hinge on the ability to balance protection with the need for resilient, competitive supply chains."
"Trump has indeed made broader statements and taken some actions that go beyond just imposing tariffs. For example, early in his administration he signed executive orders aimed at bolstering domestic manufacturing through "Buy American" provisions, which were intended to prioritize American-made products in federal procurement. He also talked about reshoring critical industries—especially in defense, semiconductors, and other high-tech sectors—to reduce dependency on China. In various speeches, he emphasized the need to secure and modernize the domestic supply chain for strategic industries, arguing that a more robust national industrial base is key to both economic strength and national defense."
I did miss that post. On the same token, this is what happened to American workers when Ford, GM and Chrysler moved plants to other countries. Two wrongs to not make it right, certainly.Chrysler, is owned by European Fiat. Those European plants in the US that build European cars produced 2.9 million cars last year, 60 per cent of which were sold abroad, including to the EU. They also provide many jobs, ACEA figures. In the factories, 120,000 jobs, and another 420,000 jobs if you include garages, dealers and suppliers.
Why don't Europeans want American cars? It is simple: Americans stupidly do not build cars that European consumers want, unlike Japanese. American manufacturers have been trying to gain a foothold in Europe for years, but our public does not swallow US tastes. With a few exceptions: Ford exports the Mustang exclusively to Europe for enthusiasts, and Chrysler does the same with the big Dodge Ram pick-ups. However, these are always a few thousand cars a year and not millions like exports from Europe and Japan to the US. American cars are not beautiful in terms of model. They are often designed for a different kind of use, different distances, and for the maximum 65 mph (Old farts speed) on Interstate Highways. They are too big for our roads and the city. And they are not very economical, which is also not really necessary if you look at the US petrol price.
https://i.ibb.co/yBXmnh1p/Chrysler-PTCruiser.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/S4rVcYs8/Mazda7.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
I choose 2 it can can accelerate from zero to 100km/h (0-100km/h) in around 8.5 seconds, on the way to a top speed of about 210km/h. Proof me wrong this not a cool car.:D
Ostfriese
04-03-25, 12:57 PM
To impose tariffs without careful strategy...
And there we already have the critical failure. Trump's tariffs are neither careful nor with strategy.
Catfish
04-03-25, 01:21 PM
"America first" begins to look like "America alone".
Where did get Trump the numbers from? Switzerland or Germany are nowhere near the accusations of taxes or tarriffs, complete bull. And prices will skyrocket, first in the US, but of course that is no problem for the millionaire clientele.
I cannot see any positive outcome for anyone money-wise, least for the US. Let alone the loss of trust. Other than "whining" it is more about rising fury, everywhere you look.
But then .. gimme mooaar popcorn!
VipertheSniper
04-03-25, 01:58 PM
And there we already have the critical failure. Trump's tariffs are neither careful nor with strategy.
That's the crux with AI, it is programmed to want to get rewarded. And how do you get rewarded? You please your user, i.e. telling him what he wants to hear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqkbY8f8iAs&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts
Edit
He use ugly words in the end of his video-Sorry forgot to mention this
End edit
Markus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqkbY8f8iAs&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts
MarkusCuba, Belarus and North Korea are also not on the list.
Cuba, Belarus and North Korea are also not on the list.
The funny thing here, if one can call it funny is that he have put a 10% tariff on Ukrainian goods. Didn't know Ukraine had things to sell to USA and they were buying things from USA with some costumer tariff.
About these two non-habitat islands well there are penguins on these islands among other animals.
Markus
AVGWarhawk
04-03-25, 03:38 PM
The funny thing here, if one can call it funny is that he have put a 10% tariff on Ukrainian goods. Didn't know Ukraine had things to sell to USA and they were buying things from USA with some costumer tariff.
About these two non-habitat islands well there are penguins on these islands among other animals.
Markus
My wife purchased a Christmas tree ornament from the Ukraine.
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