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I have no idea what you posted Arlo because I've had you on ignore for awhile now, welcome to Cancel Culture :salute: gotta love it
Responding was rather silly, then. Wasn't it? :03::shucks:
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Otto Harkaman
09-17-21, 08:31 PM
play theme from Jaws....
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:gulp:
Rockstar
09-17-21, 08:35 PM
Apparently not domestically.
https://www.dni.gov/files/Tide_Fact_Sheet.pdf
:shucks:
You just got to know where to look. Here’s the 12 most wanted. How does that compare to Wikipedia and current headlines.
12 most wanted domestic terrorists.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence
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Rockstar
09-17-21, 10:37 PM
Don’t do drugs hardbass is kewl
https://youtu.be/y90yaLFoYoA
Rockstar
09-17-21, 10:47 PM
As much as I did laugh the sad truth is it’s probably exactly how they’re making decisions :D
https://youtu.be/SezGDdeO8zc
Thinking there should be a Russian politics thread for you (if that's what that was). :shucks:
Rockstar
09-17-21, 11:12 PM
https://youtu.be/7U1NoxA_loI
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Rockstar
09-17-21, 11:23 PM
https://youtu.be/PwAVB7gNvb0
u crank
09-18-21, 06:56 AM
Remember, this is a country with the news-cycle attention span of a sugar-high child: Twitter can deplatform a president and Jeff Bezos can murder the American Dream on live TV, and 48 hours later it’s not even a story; yet the Capitol riot lives on. The level of obsession devoted to this one event is astounding. So what else?
https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/17/the-3-most-important-things-to-corporate-media-dont-matter-at-all-and-thats-the-point/
So, what are the traditional jobs of government? Are they to destroy Donald J. Trump or to stop all disease or end all discrimination?
Not so much; the actual reasons government exists are a lot more modest. Government exists to defend our borders and our nation from dangerous, predatory people who might harm us. Government exists to establish fair laws, and enforce them. It exists to create the infrastructure we all benefit from, but which no single one of us has enough resources to build. In short, governments exist to do things that allow their citizens to flourish.
We hear that the Capitol riot was an assault on our democracy, but what puts our democracy in more danger? Some unarmed 50-year-old men cavorting in the Rotunda, or a government that sits paralyzed while private equity loots small towns, tech behemoths monopolize free speech, and H.R. departments force you to pledge allegiance to a rainbow flag?
Good government is hard. It’s often boring and unrewarding. Some of the most important policies we can enact won’t make for a good cable news hit — but we need them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6dYaTLLkQ4
Rockstar
09-18-21, 10:10 AM
you have just justified peoples observation this entire situation is no longer about medicine but now about divisive politics. It’s what I’ve been trying to tell you all along, glad you finally see the light, good job. Thanks buddy :up:
you have just justified peoples observation this entire situation is no longer about medicine but now about divisive politics. It’s what I’ve been trying to tell you all along, glad you finally see the light, good job. Thanks buddy :up:
Relax, 'peoples.' :shucks:
Rockstar
09-18-21, 11:20 AM
After looking over your recent posts I think it’s safe that I and everyone else here is probably more relax than you.
I think it’s amusing, please do continue.
u crank
09-18-21, 11:50 AM
Glenn Greenwald's Twitter thread on Sep 15, 2021.
Watching liberal media stars spend 5 years trying to thread the needle between "we are so grateful to the unelected but noble Generals thwarting Trump" and "only insane conspiracy nuts believe the US has a Deep State" has been quite dizzying.
The other bizarre aspect of the last 5 years was watching these same liberal media figures prance around as defenders of "norms" and "democratic values" while simultaneously swooning over every unelected military/intel official who purposely impeded or sabotaged Trump's policies.
In US Government jargon, "democratic leaders" has always meant: "leaders who do what we want regardless of how they came to power" (hence, pro-US dictators are "democrats" while anti-US elected leaders are "dictators").
That's the same definition liberal media figures have.
It was widely reported in major outlets like WSJ that CIA, on its own, was concealing classified information they didn't want Trump to have. They sometimes just ignored his orders in Syria. This was *cheered.*
If that's not a "Deep State," nothing is.
Imagine if, in 2011, a right-wing General called Gaddafi and said: "Obama wants to bomb your country and usher in regime change against you even though the House voted *against* its authorization. I give you my word I'll let you know what he's planning & stop him from bombing."
Liberals are happy to be governed by CIA because CIA was where Russiagate came from and they see CIA (correctly) as their political ally. They'll never admit it explicitly -- nobody on the center-left wants to say they see CIA as the Good Guys -- but this is their worldview
After looking over your recent posts I think it’s safe that I and everyone else here is probably more relax than you.
I think it’s amusing, please do continue.
Were you a projectionist for a living at some point? :shucks:
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Disclaimer: Try ten deep breaths before responding. :shucks:
Otto Harkaman
09-18-21, 08:32 PM
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Disclaimer: Not a cartoon for the right-leaning faint of heart.:shucks:
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Disclaimer: No need to be upset. You didn't do anything wrong. :shucks:
u crank
09-19-21, 06:44 AM
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"When people become more educated, they become more acutely aware of the suffering of others, and of their own moral responsibility to do something about it."
It's a nice thought but has it played out in any practical way in places that are governed by Progressive/left/Democrat politicians? High crime and murder rates, poor education results, crushing poverty and endless welfare cycles do not seem to be addressed by these people with a 'moral responsibility' to do something about it. If reality 'itself skews left' and the results are obviously a failure then perhaps Mr. Bolland should rethink his assertions.
It's a nice thought but has it played out in any practical way in places that are governed by Progressive/left/Democrat politicians? High crime and murder rates, poor education results, crushing poverty and endless welfare cycles do not seem to be addressed by these people with a 'moral responsibility' to do something about it. If reality 'itself skews left' and the results are obviously a failure then perhaps Mr. Bolland should rethink his assertions.
Sorry but you can't just say something is the way it is and ignore all statistical data. Well, guess you can but then you'll end up looking foolish doing so:
8 ECONOMIC INDICATORS — ARE RED OR BLUE STATES BETTER?
July 30, 2020 · by Paul Chiariello · in Politics & Culture. ·
In comparing the quality of life between Red vs Blue states, I’ll be grouping all 23 indicators into 4 main categories:
4 Crimes Indicators,
4 Social Indicators,
7 Health Indicators
8 Economic Indicators.
Plus the Research Methodology
And the Summary of All 23 Indicators
Intro Comments
As with every other indicator in this study, all of the data collected comes from official government sources and not potentially liberal universities, think tanks, etc. Specifically, the Bureau of Econ Analysis at the Dep of Commerce (GDP per Capita), the US Census (Median Income, HS Graduation, College Graduation), the Bureau of Labor Statistics at the Dep of Labor (Unemployment), the Dep of Agriculture (All Poverty, Child Poverty), and the US Interagency Council on Homelessness (Homelessness). All data sets are the most recent I could find, and from 2018 or 2019, except for the two graduation rates (2017).
If you have any questions about purchasing power parity, what year $$’s are bench-marked at, real vs nominal figures, etc etc, then please check out the respective data sets linked to in this Excel document on Economic Indicators. Since this is just a personal side project I’m doing for fun, I decided to defer to whatever that gov agency decided was the best to collect and present that stat when comparing states.
One interesting indicator that was ultimately rejected was 1) a State Gov’s Federal Dependency, ie funding per capita a state receives from the national government. In some recent debates, states that take the most money are, in a twist of the common phrase, “welfare states.” However, I couldn’t find direct gov stats, only third party studies (which themselves used such stats). Similarly, I couldn’t find anything about per capita welfare program participation, except for 2) Food Stamps. I rejected using this since I didn’t want to be seen as cherry picking this particular program. Both Indicators are analyzed in the Controversial Indicators post (not yet up).
GDP per Capita
In this oft touted economic metric, Democrats do vastly better than Republicans in 2019, winning each category and almost all with major wins.
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The purpose of this study isn’t to get into causal pathways, but I’ll nonetheless be sharing my own personal ideas on such and speculate on patterns. Feel free to do the same in the comments!
The first things that caught my eye was oil – every Red states in the good basket (top 15) is a major producer of oil and natural gas. Texas and North Dakota are the top producers of oil in the US by a huge margin. Alaska and Wyoming are 6th and 8th, respectively. If all of the wealthy Red states are wealthy because of oil, it makes me wonder how the inevitable switch to renewable energy will affect American politics. Additionally, I wonder how much the resource curse has already impacted these “Banana Republics.”
I’d also like to note that Dems are split almost 50-50 above and below the US average. However, this changes dramatically when you account for how Blue a state is. (1) means they voted Blue or Red in all 4 past elections, while (.5) means they “defected” once. There’s only one (.5) Blue state above the average (and it’s close to it). In sharp contrast, 55% of Blue states below the average are (.5)’s.
*Note: This level of partisanship isn’t formally accounted for in my data analysis. However, if anyone has the time, it’d be great to run those numbers!
All in all, it seems the more Blue, the better you do! Unless, of course, you have oil.
Data Sets 1 ,2
Model & Failed States – Top & Bottom 5
60% are the Model States are Blue, making Democrats only the minor winner for this metric.
However, 100% of Failed States are Red, making Democrats the major winner.
The Good & Bad Baskets – Top & Bottom 15
73% of the Good Basket, are Blue, making Democrats the major winner.
Similarly, 73% of the Bad Basket are Red, again giving Democrats a major win.
States Making America Great – Percent Above US Average
Last, but not least, 52% of Blue States and 21% of Red States are Making America Great.
Median Household Income
Again, as with almost all of the economic indicators, Blue states have an absolutely decisive victory over Red states in 2018 – with major wins in all 5 metrics! I should have added a “devastatingly better” title for indicators.
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First, I’d like to point out that, again, it looks like oil is responsible for the Red state outliers who’re above the US average. Alaska and North Dakota were already noted, but Utah fits the mold since it earned 10th place in oil production in the source I link to above.
Second, the same pattern of Blue partisanship holds true again, but this time in sharper contrast. Now 71% of the Blue states that’re below the US average are (.5)’s. Similarly, the first seven states are all (1), ie true Blue Democrats!
Personally, I also think Median Income is much more important than GDP per Capita since it looks at where regular Americans are at and isn’t skewed dramatically by billionaire outliers.
Again, it appears the middle class is sustained by liberal policies. Unless, of course, you have oil.
Data Sets 1, 2
Model & Failed States – Top & Bottom 5
100% of the Model States are Blue, making Democrat the major winner.
And 80% of Failed States are Red, again making Democrats the major winner.
The Good & Bad Baskets – Top & Bottom 15
87% of the Good Basket are Blue, making Democrats a third major win.
Similarly, 87% of the Bad Basket are Red, giving Democrats yet another major win.
States Making America Great – Percent Above US Average
Last, but not least, 70% of Blue States and a mere 13% of Red States are Making America Great. So Democrats are the major winner here by an enormous margin.
Labor Force Unemployed
Democrats definitely won this indicator, carrying 3 of 5 metrics, including the only major win, over Republicans in 2019. And while the liberal in me is content with the results, the researcher in me wishes the quality of the data and some technical aspects of its analysis were better.
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First, some points about analysis. Namely, there isn’t much difference or variation in the numbers as I’d like, resulting in a lot of ties. So, for instance, I had to take the top 6 and bottom 16 states. This, combined with the fact that Purple states count as zero (see the Methodology post), made for some weird results for both “Basket” metrics.
Second, it looks like this metric would benefit a lot from elucidating partisanship a bit more. For instance, the first “solid Blue state” with a (1) is 8th from the bottom. Additionally, a very close majority of Red and Blue states are above the US average.
Third, I’d like to point out that my Red Oil Theory continues to hold since North Dakota and Utah are leading Red states.
Fourth, there’s no Welfare Indicator (except in the Controversial Indicators post (to come)) in this study, but with how much conservatives talk up welfare as being horrible because it incentivizes unemployment, this indicator at least comments on the debate. To start, no one really disagrees with this claim. Welfare obviously lowers employment incentives. But this doesn’t yet tell the full story. After all, seat belts lower incentives to drive safely.
The real question is, “how much?” And the answer, which this indicator proves, is “not nearly enough to warrant conservative panic.” Even if welfare lowers employment incentives, a roaring economy (see first two indicators) more than makes up for it. Additionally, Dem’s believe welfare reduces poverty, which is addressed in the next metric.
Data Set 1
Model & Failed States – Top & Bottom 5
60% of the Model States are Blue this time, making Democrats the minor winner.
80% of Failed States are Red, again making Democrats the major winner.
The Good & Bad Baskets – Top & Bottom 15
47% of the Good Basket are Blue, making Democrats the minor winner here.
Also, 50% of the Bad Basket are Blue, giving Republicans their minor win.
States Making America Great – Percent Above US Average
Lastly, 61% of Blue States and 71% of Red States are Making America Great. So Republicans are the minor winner here.
All People in Poverty
Like Median Income above, Democrats won another “crushing” victory over Republicans in 2018 since all five metrics were major wins.
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Once again, my Red Oil Theory holds. All of the leading Red states, except for Nebraska, are top 10 oil producers.
In addition, it seems that welfare is doing the job predicted by Democrats and staving off poverty. Despite there being pretty similar amounts of unemployed people in both Red and Blue states, percentage-wise, Blue states do an excessively better job making sure those unemployed people aren’t in poverty. Yes, this means a few grifters won’t reap the fruits of their laziness. But that’s a bullet I’m personally more than willing to take to make sure a family down on their luck can eat.
Data Set 1
Model & Failed States – Top & Bottom 5
80% of the Model States are Blue, making Democrat the major winner.
And 80% of Failed States are Red, similarly making Democrats the major winner.
The Good & Bad Baskets – Top & Bottom 15
73% of the Good Basket are Blue, giving Democrats another major win.
And 87% of the Bad Basket are Red, giving Democrats yet another major win.
States Making America Great – Percent Above US Average
87% of Blue States and 42% of Red States are Making America Great. So Democrats are the major winner here, with an enormous percent above average.
Child Poverty
Similar to percent of all people in poverty above, Democrats have almost all majors wins across all 5 metrics compared to Republicans for 2018.
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Thank you Jesus (it appears) that the oil rich Red states of Utah and North Dakota have used their money to bail children out of poverty. However, Blue states, again, completely dominate this indicator.
This is the first of six child centered or related indicators. I speak about all of them together and relate them to the abortion debate in the up coming Summary of All 23 Indicators post. But briefly, if you care about abortion so much that it’s what you focus on when casting your ballot, then you should care about child poverty. And on this, Democrats do a vastly better job.
Data Set 1
Model & Failed States – Top & Bottom 5
60% of the Model States are Blue, making Democrat only the minor winner.
And 80% of Failed States are Red, providing Democrats a major winner.
The Good & Bad Baskets – Top & Bottom 15
67% of the Good Basket are Blue, giving Democrats another major win.
And 87% of the Bad Basket are Red, giving Democrats a third another major win.
States Making America Great – Percent Above US Average
Finally, 83% of Blue States and 42% of Red States are Making America Great. So Democrats are the major winner here.
High School Graduation
Like Unemployment, Democrats only do a bit better than Republicans on this metric in 2017. Republicans have a win and a tie, but Democrats still pull three wins, two of them major.
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I’d like to start by making it clear why education is included under economics: human capital theory. Some conservatives complain about education as if it’s part of some liberal agenda, but the truth is that its just Econ 101 straightforward required for a flourishing economy. It’s also, of course, intrinsically valuable for a flourishing mind, arts, and civil society. But I included it here to emphasize, in true conservative American fashion, it’s economy utility.
Notably, the Good Basket here is the first and only tie I recorded across all indicators, a result of Purple states counting for 0, ie neither side. I’d interpret this plus the other metrics as, “It’s unclear whether Red or Blue states do HS better, but it’s clear who does it worse.”
Also, my Red Oil Theory is still certainly present, but not as strong. Besides Montana at first, the next four Red states (much of the Good Basket, btw) are all oil states.
I’d also like to note that out of all 23 indicators, this is where there is the most “socialist” agreement across all 50 states. Every single state has guaranteed every student, regardless of ability to pay, schooling through high school. It’d be interesting to see how states compare when this guarantee is removed.
Data Set 1, 2
Model & Failed States – Top & Bottom 5
60% of the Model States are Red, making Republicans the minor winner.
And 60% of Failed States are Red, providing Democrats a minor winner.
The Good & Bad Baskets – Top & Bottom 15
50% of the Good Basket are Red & Blue, making this a tie.
And 73% of the Bad Basket are Red, giving Democrats the first major win.
States Making America Great – Percent Above US Average
Finally, 83% of Blue States and 50% of Red States are Making America Great. Providing Democrats a second major win.
College Graduation
With % of the population graduating college we’re back to a crystal clear win for Democrats over Republicans in 2017.
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First, this win is all the more stark when additional “hues” are taken into account. The bottom five Blue states are all (.5) states and Maine is the only “true blue” Democrat state, ie (1), to fall under the US average.
Second, a limitation of this indicator is that it does not include trade jobs. I’d love to have included some kind of indicator on average salary for a trade job or graduates from trade schools, but didn’t easily find anything. I need to look more into this, and if I ever find something will have to add it.
Nonetheless, despite all of the complaints about college, especially skyrocketing costs (see guaranteed public option I mention for HS), it’s still the case that a college degree will add 50 to 100% more, on average, to your lifetime income compared to only a HS diploma, and this earning gap is continuing to get wider. They’re expensive, but remain well worth the price tag.
Data Set 1, 2,
Model & Failed States – Top & Bottom 5
60% of the Model States are Blue, making Democrat only the minor winner.
And 80% of Failed States are Red, providing Democrats a major winner.
The Good & Bad Baskets – Top & Bottom 15
67% of the Good Basket are Blue, giving Democrats another major win.
And 87% of the Bad Basket are Red, giving Democrats a third another major win.
States Making America Great – Percent Above US Average
Finally, 83% of Blue States and 42% of Red States are Making America Great. So Democrats are the major winner here.
Homelessness
Here we finally have a solid win for Republicans over Democrats in 2019, taking all 5 metric including two major wins!
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First, this win is even more impressive if you account for more nuance political affiliation since 60% of the top 5 Blue States are (.5)’s and there’s only one Red state below the US average. Additionally, only one Red state is below the US Average. Democrat states clearly have a massive homelessness problem!
Second, we can muse over the causes, but I think both conservatives and liberals roughly agree that higher houses costs in Blue states and lower pop density and more land in Red states plays a big role. Like unemployment, it’s also likely that Republicans are right that welfare lowers incentives to rise out of poverty, including homelessness.
Third, I’d like to mention a well tested and proven liberal leaning “welfare type” of solution that even Blue states aren’t doing – just give the homeless free homes. It’s consistently worked in foreign countries and domestic states, and is cheaper than approaching the problem with policing and shelters. You can read here how it reduced homelessness in Utah by 90%. And then once the program was stopped, homelessness doubled.
Data Set 1, 2,
Model & Failed States – Top & Bottom 5
60% of the Model States are Red this time, making Republicans the minor winner.
100% of Failed States are Blue, again making Republicans the major winner.
The Good & Bad Baskets – Top & Bottom 15
53% of the Good Basket are Red, making Republicans the minor winner here.
Also, 80% of the Bad Basket are Blue, giving Republicans a major win.
States Making America Great – Percent Above US Average
Lastly, 61% of Blue States and 96% of Red States are Making America Great. So Republicans are the minor winner here.
Conclusion
I’ve already spoken about quite a few different topics. But to recap and add a bit:
Blue states clearly do better than Red states on Economic Indicators, except for homelessness. And to bolster this point, it appears like there’s decent evidence that most Red outliers that are doing well, economically-speaking, are doing well because of oil.
Whether this overall economic success is caused by Blue policies and culture or vice versa is hard to say. However, in so far as you think political policies and culture affect economic outcomes, 12 years of voting Democrat hasn’t severely hurt Blue states’ current economic outlook, and voting Conservative hasn’t done wonders for Red states.
4 Crimes Indicators,
4 Social Indicators,
7 Health Indicators
8 Economic Indicators.
Plus the Research Methodology
And the Summary of All 23 Indicators
https://appliedsentience.com/2020/07/30/economics-are-red-or-blue-states-better/
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Now, my opinion about the continuing contest/war/game being waged between 'reds' and 'blues' is that it's a shame and such is at the expense of the nation as a whole. I would say it is way past time for the country to just turn purple, except for the fact that the 'red team' has proven itself so dangerously incompetent and callous to the needs of their own constituents that perhaps excising them, entirely, like one would a cancer to the body, really is necessary. Which is a shame. I'm old enough to remember when the Republican party was more of a balancer between conservative and liberal ideologies, providing the leveling of things without going to the dangerous extremes just to take and hold power the way it does now. Such has forced the Democrats/liberals to go to their own extremes just to keep autocrats at bay for the sake of the vast majority of the population (yes, that includes those who've managed to convince themselves to vote against their own best interests just to 'own da libz' and such).
Anyway, thanks (as usual) for giving me the chance to shine some reality on misperception. :shucks:
u crank
09-19-21, 09:24 AM
I would say it is way past time for the country to just turn purple, except for the fact that the 'red team' has proven itself so dangerously incompetent and callous to the needs of their own constituents that perhaps excising them, entirely, like one would a cancer to the body, really is necessary.
The twenty cities in the United States with the highest murder rates (murders per 100,000 people) are:
St. Louis, MO (69.4) Mayor Tishaura Jones (D)
Baltimore, MD (51.1) Mayor Brandon Scott (D)
New Orleans, LA (40.6) Mayor LaToya Cantrell (D)
Detroit, MI (39.7) Mayor Mike Duggan (D)
Cleveland, OH (33.7) Mayor Frank G. Jackson (D)
Las Vegas, NV (31.4) Mayor Carolyn Goodman (I)
Kansas City, MO (31.2) Mayor Quinton Lucas (D)
Memphis, TN (27.1) Mayor Jim Strickland (D)
Newark, NJ (25.6) Mayor Ras Baraka (D,
Chicago, IL (24) Mayor Lori Lightfoot (D)
Cincinnati, OH (23.8) Mayor John Cranley (D)
Philadelphia, PA (20.2) Mayor Jim Kenney (D)
Milwaukee, WI (20.0) Mayor Tom Barrett (D)
Tulsa, OK (18.6) Mayor G. T. Bynum (R)
Pittsburgh, PA (18.4) Mayor Bill Peduto (D)
Indianapolis, IN (17.7) Mayor Joe Hogsett (D)
Louisville, KY (17.5) Mayor Greg Fischer (D)
Oakland, CA (17.1) Mayor Libby Schaaf (D)
Washington D.C. (17.0) Mayor Muriel Bowser (D)
Atlanta, GA (16.7) Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms (D)
One Republican and one Independent mayor. Eighteen Democrat mayors. Damn statistics.
:shucks:
Otto Harkaman
09-19-21, 09:31 AM
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LOL @ Arlo.... If you cant make an articulate argument, distract them with inconsequential facts and figures. Kudos.
LOL @ Arlo.... If you cant make an articulate argument, distract them with inconsequential facts and figures. Kudos.
Just because you, personally, have not been forced to deal with the consequences, does not make the facts and figures 'inconsequential.' :shucks:
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Demands For Milley’s Firing Let White House Put The Focus Back On Trump’s Insurrection
Biden and his staff appear to welcome the opportunity to remind the nation that Trump tried to overthrow American democracy after losing reelection.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-mark-milley-donald-trump_n_61426102e4b0cca5697a093d?d_id=2614091&ncid_tag=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=us_politics&fbclid=IwAR3Picim94KWy9mV0dNRax2GOVk99QHxwV9TSJnE3 MSGxfWvN2i4gyXdnAU
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Behind the Scenes, McConnell Betrayed Trump and Reached Out to Biden to Prevent More Chaos
"To keep things under wraps, McConnell reached out to GOP Sen. John Cornyn of Texas to speak privately with Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware, a Biden confidant, about a ‘back channel’ for the then-majority leader to have a level of communication with the president-elect. Cornyn said that the senators were ‘in a delicate situation’ since Trump may have assumed that the men were ‘cutting a deal behind his back to cut him out,’ which would make him ‘even more irrational.'”
https://www.politicalflare.com/2021/09/behind-the-scenes-mcconnell-betrayed-trump-and-reached-out-to-biden-to-prevent-more-chaos/?fbclid=IwAR00jrQCR1yEmFMkI0QpkoiHf1V6hdkwpjwrqhgM 5L0s41rZ2JOEWouXsqM
Nothing but silence from MSM.
Day before yesterday It was told in the Swedish news that American authorities had send airplane to the area where thousands of refugees are gathered near the border to Texas. The task was to fly these refugees back to the countries. Back to Haiti, Honduras a.s.o.
I tried to find similar story among Danish newspaper no luck.
It made me think...had it been the former President who had given such an order the main stream media here in Denmark and Sweden would have gone berserk and there would be written thousands if not millions of comment about it and how evil Trump is.
Now....nothing but silence.(except the fact in was a short bulletin in the Swedish news)
Markus
If you keep complimenting me I might have to just keep taking them. :shucks:
Bird's of a feather flock together.
Bird's of a feather flock together.
Fish of a scale school like hell. :shucks:
Fish of a scale school like hell. :shucks:
You have to better than that.We do not need your trick **** doesn't work continue and be recognised. Edit= stuff
You have to better than that.We do not need your trick **** doesn't work continue and be recognised. Edit= stuff
Well, that was rather indecipherable. But, that's ok. May your Galt identity keep you. :shucks:
We are birds of the feather of progress are we not? Rest in your nest , you are a Comrade let all of our egg's lye in wait until they are ready to hatch.
We are birds of the feather of progress are we not? Rest in your nest , you are a Comrade let all of our egg's lye in wait until they are ready to hatch.
Whatever you are on it is obviously good stuff. Remember moderation when you head out on the highway, though. :up::shucks:
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Otto Harkaman
09-20-21, 10:43 PM
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Don't any of you have your own ideas/opinions? Or do you kids just regurgitate the crap you find on the internet?
Don't any of you have your own ideas/opinions? Or do you kids just regurgitate the crap you find on the internet?
Golly, Mr. Def, what does writing your own opinion without using something you came across and wholeheartedly agree with look like? Inspire us. :shucks:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-mlXbr_V80&t=315s
u crank
09-21-21, 09:19 AM
Dem plot to ‘Steele’ the White House: Anatomy of a political dirty trick
https://nypost.com/2021/09/20/dem-plot-to-steele-the-white-house-anatomy-of-a-political-dirty-trick/
Here is where the prosecutor appears to be going: The Trump–Russia collusion narrative was essentially a fabrication of the Clinton campaign that was peddled to the FBI (among other government agencies) and to the media by agents of the Clinton campaign — particularly, its lawyers at Perkins Coie — who concealed the fact that they were quite intentionally working on the campaign’s behalf, and that they did not actually believe there was much, if anything, to the collusion narrative. It was serviceable as political dirt but would not amount to anything real for criminal or national-security purposes
What Durham describes in the indictment will confirm many people in their most cynical perceptions of a sinister Washington deep state. Tech Executive-1 owned Internet companies that offered domain name system “resolution services.” The indictment explains that these involve the lucrative business of translating recognizable Internet domain names (e.g., http://www.google.com) to numerical IP addresses (e.g. 123.456.7.89.). These private companies have arrangements with the government that provide them with access to a great deal of nonpublic information about Internet traffic.
The government provides this privileged access because the companies are supposed to help with cybersecurity. But Tech Executive-1 and Perkins Coie are said to have exploited this access for political purposes.
Simultaneously, the Clinton lawyers are getting suspect information from a cyber-exec client who is hoping for a big job in the anticipated Clinton administration, and one of the lawyers — Sussmann — presses it on the FBI while allegedly lying in order to conceal that he’s actually working for both the Clinton campaign and the selfsame cyber exec who’s hoping for a job in the Clinton administration.
Meantime, having orchestrated the creation of all this smoke, the Clinton campaign exploits it to tell the media and the American people, “See, Trump is a Kremlin mole!”
I suddenly think the eventual Durham report could be very interesting reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post
Arlo, if you don't like the laws in Texas, DON'T live there.
Arlo, if you don't like the laws in Texas, DON'T live there.
'Hey, Colonels Travis and Bowie, if you don't like the way Santa Anna runs Texas, DON'T live there.' :shucks:
u crank
09-21-21, 09:46 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post
https://nrinstitute.org/fellows/andrew-c-mccarthy/
https://nrinstitute.org/fellows/andrew-c-mccarthy/
Goodness, gracious Great Ball of Collusion*!
*Paperback price $14.37 on Amazon.
u crank
09-21-21, 10:17 AM
Goodness, gracious Great Ball of Collusion*!
*Paperback price $14.37 on Amazon.
Yuk yuk. I haven't read it.
So what part of the article in The New York Post by Andrew C. McCarthy do you disagree with? Or are you just barking at the moon?
Yuk yuk. I haven't read it.
So what part of the article in The New York Post by Andrew C. McCarthy do you disagree with? Or are you just barking at the moon?
It's a Murdoch tabloid, sir. And McCarthy is just trying to sell his book. You really shouldn't take it too seriously. I don't. :shucks:
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u crank
09-21-21, 10:43 AM
It's a Murdoch tabloid, sir. And McCarthy is just trying to sell his book. You really shouldn't take it too seriously. I don't. :shucks:
Of course the article is not about McCarthy’s book it is about a felony indictment of one of Hillary Clintons lawyers concerning the Russia collusion conspiracy theory. You know that thing that has been thoughly debunked. You don’t still believe that do you?
Of course the article is not about McCarthy’s book it is about a felony indictment of one of Hillary Clintons lawyers concerning the Russia collusion conspiracy theory. You know that thing that has been thoughly debunked. You don’t still believe that do you?
You don't realize the premise of Mac's book, apparently. :shucks:
u crank
09-21-21, 12:09 PM
You don't realize the premise of Mac's book, apparently. :shucks:
You are avoiding the question aren’t you?
You are avoiding the question aren’t you?
I was under the impression that I more than adequately addressed it. :shucks:
u crank
09-21-21, 01:07 PM
You know that thing that has been thoughly debunked. You don’t still believe that do you?
You don't realize the premise of Mac's book, apparently. :shucks:
I was under the impression that I more than adequately addressed it. :shucks:
If that is your answer then no you haven’t.
If that is your answer then no you haven’t.
I'm sorry, Crank, but, like I said, I think your taking an article from a politically biased tabloid, written by Trump's defense attorney who is trying to sell a book on the exact same premise, way too seriously. I told you I don't and the aforementioned is why. Besides, the Federal Bureau of Investigation didn't debunk the effort made on the part of Russia during the campaign. I would call that wishful thinking on the part of Trump apologists. Charges were even made against Russian operatives, as a result. Is there something you think I missed in any of that now that I've repeated myself? :shucks:
u crank
09-21-21, 04:25 PM
I'm sorry, Crank, but, like I said, I think your taking an article from a politically biased tabloid, written by Trump's defense attorney who is trying to sell a book on the exact same premise, way too seriously.
Ok. In the article there are some indisputable facts, mainly that special counsel John Durham has brought a felony indictment against Democratic Party lawyer Michael Sussmann on a false statements count. A false statement was allegedly made by Sussmann to the FBI’s then general counsel, James Baker, on Sept. 19, 2016.
Another indisputable fact is that Sussmann was a lawyer for Perkins Coie, a lawfirm that is the counsel of record for the Democratic National Committee and in 2015 as counsel for the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton. Perkins Coie lawyer Marc Elias hired Fusion GPS for opposition research services. A notable product of that “opposition research” was the Steele dossier describing alleged attempts by Russia to promote the presidential campaign of Donald Trump.
That the article was written by Andrew C. McCarthy, that it appeared in the New York Post or that the Post is owned by Murdoch's News Corp certainly has no bearing on those facts.
Besides, the Federal Bureau of Investigation didn't debunk the effort made on the part of Russia during the campaign.
In this case the FBI did debunk the ridiculous claim by Sussmann that there was a 'secret server' between the Trump organization and the Russian Alfa Bank. And Sussmann lied about it to the FBI, hence the felony indictment.
I would call that wishful thinking on the part of Trump apologists.
If pointing out wrong doing makes someone an 'apologist' does that apply to both sides of the political divide or just to the true believers?
Is there something you think I missed in any of that now that I've repeated myself?
Oh no. Quite the opposite. I understand completely.
I understand completely.
Forgive me if I doubt that. :shucks:
u crank
09-21-21, 05:10 PM
Forgive me if I doubt that. :shucks:
Forgive me if I failed to make it clear. Let me try again. I understand completely that you are a true believer.
:shucks:
Forgive me if I failed to make it clear. Let me try again. I understand completely that you are a true believer.
:shucks:
Well you seem rather devoted, yourself. :shucks:
u crank
09-21-21, 05:34 PM
Well you seem rather devoted, yourself. :shucks:
I'll try to do better. :shucks:
I'll try to do better. :shucks:
Just be you. If you didn't hate everything left of far right I'd suspect your account was hijacked. :shucks:
Just be you. If you didn't hate everything left of far right I'd suspect your account was hijacked. :shucks:
Obviously you don't know u crank at all but do proceed making a fool of yourself.
Otto Harkaman
09-21-21, 06:11 PM
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Obviously you don't know u crank at all but do proceed making a fool of yourself.
The competition is stiff, though. :shucks:
Otto Harkaman
09-21-21, 06:22 PM
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u crank
09-21-21, 06:24 PM
Just be you. If you didn't hate everything left of far right I'd suspect your account was hijacked. :shucks:
For true believers like you everyone who disagrees with you is far right. It's a cheap smear but not unexpected.
For true believers like you everyone who disagrees with you is far right. It's a cheap smear but not unexpected.
You feel smeared? Let me let you prove me wrong (if you want).
Was the election stolen?
Are HC's emails and Benghazi worse than anything Trump has done (before, during or after his term)?
Do black lives matter?
Is the biggest threat to society anti-fascism?
I'm looking forward to not just common ground but the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
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:shucks:
u crank
09-21-21, 07:09 PM
Was the election stolen?
Which one?
Are HC's emails and Benghazi worse than anything Trump has done (before, during or after his term)?
Any wrong doing or impropriety by any politician is wrong. Period.
Do black lives matter?
All lives matter. All humans are equal and should be treated fairly, equally and with compassion.
Is the biggest threat to society anti-fascism?
No. The biggest threat to society is ignorance in the face of truth.
My turn.
Is political violence ever justified in a democracy?
Do you believe anything that was in the Steele dossier? And if so what?
Should citizens in a free society have the ultimate decision as to what goes into or comes out of their own bodies?
Does Joe Biden tie his own shoes?
Otto Harkaman
09-21-21, 07:29 PM
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My apologies. I'll stick with my first instinct. You be you. I'm sure you think you are open minded, fair and whatnot and my exercise to see how far you'd meet anyone in the middle in discussing what you are or are not hopelessly biased about versus my (or anyone else's) biased viewpoints was a complete waste of time. Whatever I post will continue to not require your agreement or approval and visa versa (not like that was ever expected to be the case). :shucks:
Because ... all lives matter ... ahem. :shucks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp0N-ZAh9eg
Buddahaid
09-21-21, 11:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCGCvx-RYK0
A wasted 1/4 billion dollars on a recall nearly everyone knew would fail. Republicans need to throw Trumpism under the bus in this state and find a platform that appeals to a wider segment of the population, maybe they need to discover that nationwide.
u crank
09-22-21, 05:02 AM
I'm sure you think you are open minded, fair and whatnot and my exercise to see how far you'd meet anyone in the middle in discussing what you are or are not hopelessly biased about versus my (or anyone else's) biased viewpoints was a complete waste of time.
Sorry I didn't pass your childish little test. I didn't realize that we were discussing who is biased and who is not. I have found that the way to avoid that in a political discussion is to stick to the facts. That matters far more than someone's ideology. I have also found that when people don't like the facts they try to distract by attacking the messenger.
Whatever I post will continue to not require your agreement or approval and visa versa (not like that was ever expected to be the case).
How silly. You never needed my approval and I certainly am not looking for yours.
u crank
09-22-21, 05:14 AM
A wasted 1/4 billion dollars on a recall nearly everyone knew would fail. Republicans need to throw Trumpism under the bus in this state and find a platform that appeals to a wider segment of the population, maybe they need to discover that nationwide.
I agree. It should never have happened. We just had a similar political stunt here in Canada. Our crown prince Justin calls a snap election in the middle of a pandemic in an attempt to get a majority in the House. $610 million later and he gains three seats and fails to get a majority. And he brags about what a great victory it was.
I have found that the way to avoid that in a political discussion is to stick to the facts.
Relax. Your 'facts' are safe. :shucks:
u crank
09-22-21, 08:42 AM
Relax. Your 'facts' are safe. :shucks:
Thanks but they are not my facts.
Otto Harkaman
09-22-21, 08:53 AM
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Thanks but they are not my facts.
Some of them sure seem to be. But that's ok. Bias seems to work the same way on both sides of the border. Does Trump own properties in Canada?:shucks:
Otto Harkaman
09-22-21, 09:00 AM
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Otto Harkaman
09-22-21, 09:15 AM
Jihad Joe, Mayor of Bidenville
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u crank
09-22-21, 09:32 AM
Some of them sure seem to be. But that's ok. Bias seems to work the same way on both sides of the border.
Ok let's review. I post a story about John Durham charging a Clinton connected lawyer with lying to investigators. A felony charge. Instead of discussing it you attacked the author and the publication. In fact you did not present any argument about what the article was about. Not a single word. Are you defending Michael Sussmann's behavior? Do you think Durham was wrong to charge him? We don't really know what you think but we definitely know what side you are on.
Does Trump own properties in Canada?
You can't help yourself can you? If you knew anything about me you would know that I have, in this very thread, stated more than once that I am not a fan of Donald Trump. Unfortunately in your zero sum world there is no middle ground. Somehow if someone talks about Democrats in an unfavorable light and with the facts, you revert to this highly biased mode and attack them on a personal level. You must be a charmer at social events.
Ok let's review. 'We' don't really know what you think but we definitely know what side you are on.
You must be a charmer at social events.
Are you trying to be my Canadian friend? I already have some. :shucks:
u crank
09-22-21, 09:51 AM
Are you trying to be my Canadian friend?
No I am not. I don't think I could pass your little loyalty test.
No I am not. I don't think I could pass your little loyalty test.
I'm not authoritarian enough to require a 'loyalty test.' Peace be with you. :shucks:
An off topic comment
I'm only here to read the interesting comments and eating popcorn
End of an off topic comment.
Markus
Rockstar
09-22-21, 10:09 AM
With Clinton lawyer charged, the Russiagate scam is now under indictment
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/09/20/with-clinton-lawyer-charged-the-russiagate-scam-is-now-indicted/
In accusing Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann of lying to the FBI, Special Counsel John Durham offers new evidence of the fabrications behind the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory.
The indictment of Hillary Clinton attorney Michael Sussmann offers new evidence that the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory that engulfed Trump’s term in office was itself the product of fabrications involving Clinton’s 2016 campaign.
Although Sussmann faces just one count on a false statement charge, the 27-page charging document offers an expansive window into how the Russiagate scam began, and how Democratic operatives, intelligence officials, and establishment media figures dishonestly fed it to the public.
https://www.justice.gov/sco/press-release/file/1433511/download
Otto Harkaman
09-22-21, 10:26 AM
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Whoops ...
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/politics/gop-operatives-charged-money-russian-citizen-trump/index.html
Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O’Donnell Erupt In Laughter After Finding Error On First Page Of Trump’s Lawsuit Against His Niece
Trump really is that stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otysnrp9whE
Former President Donald Trump has had quite a day. First, the twice-impeached one-term president filed a lawsuit in New York state court against his niece, Mary Trump, as well as several New York Times journalists, over the bombshell report that was published nearly a year ago that discloses his tax information. The lawsuit reportedly seeks “damages in an amount to be determined at trial, but believed to be no less than One Hundred Million Dollars.” The lawsuit further alleges that the former president’s niece violated a 2001 settlement agreement among the Trump family. So, then Trump decided that more lawsuits are on the horizon, including against the “fake news media,” and we’re not sure how that works, but OK.
Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O’Donnell had a good laugh Tuesday night over an error on the first page of the lawsuit.
“But on page one, it says, “The defendants’ actions were motivated by a personal vendetta and their desire to gain fame, notoriety, acclaim and a financial windfall and were further intended to advance their political agenda,” Maddow said. “Then it says this: ‘The brazenness of the defendants’ actions cannot be understated.’”
“That’s page one of the lawsuit! Cannot be understated. OK. How can you not understate brazenness?! I’m sorry,” she added.
“He has the lawyers who think the way he does,” O’Donnell said.
Obviously, Trump’s attorneys meant “overstated,” and not understated.
When asked about the lawsuit, Mary Trump told The Daily Beast that her uncle is a loser. “I think he is a *******ing loser,” she said. “As is always the case with Donald, he’ll try and change the subject.”
Otto Harkaman
09-22-21, 04:13 PM
Boris Ambushed Us!
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/22/19/48221825-0-Press_are_seen_gathered_in_the_Oval_Office_as_Bide n_and_Boris_Jo-a-6_1632335623481.jpg
'Boris called on his press corps without alerting us': Psaki tries to BLAME British PM for Oval Office chaos when WH aides shut down questions for Biden
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/22/19/48257411-10018303-image-a-22_1632337190006.jpg
Biden's cue card
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/22/19/48219349-10013947-A_close_up_of_the_notecard_Biden_used_in_his_meeti ng_with_PM_Joh-a-42_1632335612962.jpg
Buddahaid
09-22-21, 04:23 PM
Boris Ambushed Us!
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/22/19/48221825-0-Press_are_seen_gathered_in_the_Oval_Office_as_Bide n_and_Boris_Jo-a-6_1632335623481.jpg
'Boris called on his press corps without alerting us': Psaki tries to BLAME British PM for Oval Office chaos when WH aides shut down questions for Biden
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/22/19/48257411-10018303-image-a-22_1632337190006.jpg
Biden's cue card
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/22/19/48219349-10013947-A_close_up_of_the_notecard_Biden_used_in_his_meeti ng_with_PM_Joh-a-42_1632335612962.jpg
The Cue card is faked.
I think it was somewhere last week there was an issue in Danish news about Biden got interrupted on several occasions. They showed a clip where Biden was in, think it was Boise when both picture and sound disappeared.
An expert on American politics said it could be his staff doing it.
Can't remember him saying why.
Edit
https://www.foxnews.com/media/white-house-cuts-feed-biden-wildfires-briefing
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Markus
Otto Harkaman
09-22-21, 04:26 PM
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The Cue card is faked.
Well, that's a given. :shucks:
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Otto Harkaman
09-22-21, 06:35 PM
“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”
― Frédéric Bastiat
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Rockstar
09-22-21, 06:45 PM
Time for some comedy.
https://youtu.be/YyhNdv7Qv7w
Otto Harkaman
09-22-21, 06:49 PM
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From way back ... (almost a year)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq2QBQ-ka9Y
:shucks:
Otto Harkaman
09-22-21, 07:06 PM
Now you tell us: Politico Reporter Confirms Long-Denied Hunter Biden Laptop Story
https://thejewishvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/cnn-hunter-biden-stelter.jpeg
Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley
tRump uni-Doh!
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Vehicle carrying massive pro-Trump display crashes into telephone pole in three-car pileup
MLive reports that "the crash occurred just after 1 p.m. Wednesday, Sept. 22 at the intersection of Dort Highway and Court Street" in Flint, Michigan.
It has not yet been determined what caused the crash, although medics who arrived on the scene reported no serious injuries.
The "Unity Bridge" -- which features signs filled with right-wing slogans such as "All Lives Matter," "Build The Wall," and "Make America Great Again" -- is a fixture at Trump rallies, although it's not clear if the damage suffered by the vehicle will impact its ability to make it to future events.
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That's a pure lie. Congress was controlled by Democrats during the great majority of that spending. so if anyone spent 7 trillion it's you Democrats.
That's a pure lie. Congress was controlled by Democrats during the great majority of that spending. so if anyone spent 7 trillion it's you Democrats.
Prove this. :shucks:
Prove this. :shucks:
Give me money. I'm a professional teacher, I don't teach the voluntarily ignorant for free.
Give me money. I'm a professional teacher, I don't teach the voluntarily ignorant for free.
Couldn't do it, huh? Be more careful of your claims and accusations in the future. Real teachers (most) know better. :shucks:
Couldn't do it, huh? Be more careful of your claims and accusations in the future. Real teachers (most) know better. :shucks:
Of course I can, but the question is do I have to for the likes of you?
Of course I can, but the question is do I have to for the likes of you?
The likes of me? There comes a time when one should stand up for their own convictions and back their claims when challenged. Or at least admit their mistakes or errors when challenged. You refusing to do so has very little to do with me or what you think of me. You let yourself down. And in doing so, cost me nothing. As a matter of fact, you merely show your own hand was only worth folding. :shucks:
The likes of me? There comes a time when one should stand up for their own convictions and back their claims when challenged. Or at least admit their mistakes or errors when challenged. You refusing to do so has very little to do with me or what you think of me. You let yourself down. And in doing so, cost me nothing. As a matter of fact, you merely show your own hand was only worth folding. :shucks:That's the pot calling the kettle black.
That's the pot calling the kettle black.
Feel free to step in and prove his claim for him.
The claim:
That's a pure lie. Congress was controlled by Democrats during the great majority of that spending. so if anyone spent 7 trillion it's you Democrats.
I'm prepared to graciously concede if you can manage it. I'm equally prepared to accept retractions with the same amount of grace. :shucks:
Feel free to step in and prove his claim for him.
The claim:
That's a pure lie. Congress was controlled by Democrats during the great majority of that spending. so if anyone spent 7 trillion it's you Democrats.
I'm prepared to graciously concede if you can manage it. I'm equally prepared to accept retractions with the same amount of grace. :shucks:
Well dude thing is nobody really cares if you concede or not, but because I am a nice guy here's some education. It's not free but you can owe me for it:
Civics fact. All spending bills begin in the US House of Representatives. Write that down now, it's important. The Democrats took control of that august body way back in 2018. That makes them Congress #116, Nancy "Skeletor" Pelosi (D) Speaker.
Fun fact. All the Covid spending was initiated by Congress #116, all of it. Look it up. That is 6 trillion dollars. Now say 6 trillion dollars nice and slow to give your brain a chance to wrap itself around that. No, really take a few minutes, go have a smoke or something and give it a good think. None of that spending was possible without the Democrats so ergo, Robert Reich is a liar and you are now educated.
Thus endith the lesson. :up:
The Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018 was enacted by 115th United States Congress. Republicans had a federal trifecta, Republicans controlled the House of Representatives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Budget_Act_of_2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/115th_United_States_Congress
In early 2020, the U.S. Congress appropriated funds in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. These funds were made possible through the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act and other supplemental legislation. In March of 2021, additional funds were appropriated through the American Rescue Plan Act.
In March 2020, U.S. lawmakers agreed to pass a $2 trillion stimulus bill called the CARES (Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security) Act to blunt the impact of an economic downturn set in motion by the global coronavirus pandemic.
On March 27, 2020, President Trump signed the bill into law. With most forecasters at the time predicting that the U.S. economy was either already in a recession or heading into one, policymakers crafted legislation that dedicated historic government funding to support large and small businesses, industries, individuals, families, gig workers, independent contractors, and hospitals.
At over $2 trillion, this has been the largest rescue package in U.S. history. The 2009 Recovery Act was $831 billion, the Consolidated Appropriations Act (CAA) was $910 billion, and the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) comes closest at $1.9 trillion.
Probably ought to stop trying to teach Civics in Shop Class. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFHDceMr2F8&t=16s
https://www.pbs.org/video/maya-macguineas-and-robert-reich-4ozclm/
u crank
09-23-21, 07:46 AM
Biden Security Adviser Jake Sullivan Tied to Alleged 2016 Clinton Scheme to Co-Opt CIA and FBI to Tar Trump
White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan figures prominently in a grand jury investigation run by Special Counsel John Durham into an alleged 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign scheme to use both the FBI and CIA to tar Donald Trump as a colluder with Russia, according to people familiar with the criminal probe, which they say has broadened into a conspiracy case.
http://preview.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/09/23/biden_security_adviser_sullivan_tied_to_16_clinton _plan_to_co-opt_cia_and_fbi_to_tar_trump_795498.html
The grand jury indicated in its lengthy indictment that several people were involved in the alleged conspiracy to mislead the FBI and trigger an investigation of the Republican presidential candidate -- including Sullivan, who was described by his campaign position but not identified by name.
"We were on a mission," Clinton campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri later admitted in a Washington Post column. “We wanted to raise the alarm."
Then, on the eve of the election, Sullivan claimed in a written campaign statement that Trump and the Russians had set up a “secret hotline” through Alfa Bank, and he suggested “federal authorities” were investigating “this direct connection between Trump and Russia.” He portrayed the shocking discovery as the work of independent experts — “computer scientists” — without disclosing their attachment to the campaign.
Probably ought to stop trying to teach Civics in Shop Class. :)
And you should do a better job googling your troll posts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARES_Act
The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act,[1] also known as the CARES Act,[2] is a[B] $2.2 trillion economic stimulus bill passed by the 116th U.S. Congress and signed into law by President Donald Trump on March 27, 2020, in response to the economic fallout of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States.[3][4] The spending primarily includes $300 billion in one-time cash payments to individual people who submit a tax return in America (with most single adults receiving $1,200 and families with children receiving more[5]), $260 billion in increased unemployment benefits, the creation of the Paycheck Protection Program that provides forgivable loans to small businesses with an initial $350 billion in funding (later increased to $669 billion by subsequent legislation), $500 billion in loans for corporations, and $339.8 billion to state and local governments.[6]
The original CARES Act proposal included $500 billion in direct payments to Americans, $208 billion in loans to major industry, and $300 billion in Small Business Administration loans.[7][8] As a result of bipartisan negotiations, the bill grew to $2 trillion in the version unanimously passed by the Senate on March 25, 2020.[9][10] It was passed by the House via voice vote the next day, and was signed into law by President Donald Trump on March 27. It was originally introduced in the U.S. Congress on January 24, 2019, as H.R. 748 (Middle Class Health Benefits Tax Repeal Act of 2019).[a] To comply with the Origination Clause of the Constitution,[11] the Senate then used H.R. 748 as a shell bill for the CARES Act,[12] changing the content of the bill and renaming it before passing it.[13]
Unprecedented in size and scope,[9] the legislation was the largest economic stimulus package in U.S. history,[14] amounting to 10% of total U.S. gross domestic product.[15] The bill is much larger than the $831 billion stimulus act passed in 2009 as part of the response to the Great Recession.[15] The Congressional Budget Office estimates that it will add $1.7 trillion to the deficits over the 2020–2030 period, with nearly all the impact in 2020 and 2021.[16]
Lawmakers refer to the bill as "Phase 3" of Congress's coronavirus response.[17][18] The first phase "was an $8.3 billion bill spurring coronavirus vaccine research and development" (the Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2020), which was enacted on March 6, 2020. The second phase was "an approximately $104 billion package largely focused on paid sick leave and unemployment benefits for workers and families" (the Families First Coronavirus Response Act), which was enacted on March 18, 2020.[17]
Rockstar
09-23-21, 10:33 AM
Also, presidents don’t have to sign a bill for it to become a law. If he does nothing and sits on it for ten days it still becomes a law. Even if he vetos the bill both houses can still rally and force it with a 2/3 majority vote.
https://i.imgur.com/IGrR4N5.png
And you should do a better job googling your troll posts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARES_Act
The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act,[1] also known as the CARES Act,[2] is a[B] $2.2 trillion economic stimulus bill passed by the 116th U.S. Congress and signed into law by President Donald Trump on March 27, 2020, in response to the economic fallout of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States.[3][4] The spending primarily includes $300 billion in one-time cash payments to individual people who submit a tax return in America (with most single adults receiving $1,200 and families with children receiving more[5]), $260 billion in increased unemployment benefits, the creation of the Paycheck Protection Program that provides forgivable loans to small businesses with an initial $350 billion in funding (later increased to $669 billion by subsequent legislation), $500 billion in loans for corporations, and $339.8 billion to state and local governments.[6]
The original CARES Act proposal included $500 billion in direct payments to Americans, $208 billion in loans to major industry, and $300 billion in Small Business Administration loans.[7][8] As a result of bipartisan negotiations, the bill grew to $2 trillion in the version unanimously passed by the Senate on March 25, 2020.[9][10] It was passed by the House via voice vote the next day, and was signed into law by President Donald Trump on March 27. It was originally introduced in the U.S. Congress on January 24, 2019, as H.R. 748 (Middle Class Health Benefits Tax Repeal Act of 2019).[a] To comply with the Origination Clause of the Constitution,[11] the Senate then used H.R. 748 as a shell bill for the CARES Act,[12] changing the content of the bill and renaming it before passing it.[13]
Unprecedented in size and scope,[9] the legislation was the largest economic stimulus package in U.S. history,[14] amounting to 10% of total U.S. gross domestic product.[15] The bill is much larger than the $831 billion stimulus act passed in 2009 as part of the response to the Great Recession.[15] The Congressional Budget Office estimates that it will add $1.7 trillion to the deficits over the 2020–2030 period, with nearly all the impact in 2020 and 2021.[16]
Lawmakers refer to the bill as "Phase 3" of Congress's coronavirus response.[17][18] The first phase "was an $8.3 billion bill spurring coronavirus vaccine research and development" (the Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2020), which was enacted on March 6, 2020. The second phase was "an approximately $104 billion package largely focused on paid sick leave and unemployment benefits for workers and families" (the Families First Coronavirus Response Act), which was enacted on March 18, 2020.[17]
And yet the devil's in the details and your 'proof' included:
"That is 6 trillion dollars. Now say 6 trillion dollars nice and slow to give your brain a chance to wrap itself around that. No, really take a few minutes, go have a smoke or something and give it a good think."
Your thesis was flawed but that's ok since you decided to parade it like you knew what you were talking about. :shucks:
Mitch McConnell Dismisses Trump as a ‘Fading Brand’: ‘Sucking Up’ to Him ‘Not a Strategy That Works’
https://i.imgur.com/gSCK5pH.png
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is warning the Republican Party that staying in former President Donald Trump’s thrall will not lead to a viable political future.
The Lexington Herald-Leader obtained a preview of Peril, the upcoming book from Bob Woodward and Robert Costa that has already produced a multitude of explosive details on Trump’s last days in office. According to the new excerpt, McConnell is encouraging the GOP to move away from Trumpism, calling the ex-president “a fading brand. Retired. OTTB as they say in Kentucky — off-the-track Thoroughbred.”
“There is a clear trend moving,” McConnell said. “Sucking up to Donald Trump is not a strategy that works.”
The excerpt comes amid recent reports that Trump is trying to devise a plan with his political allies to have McConnell removed from his Republican leadership position in the Senate. If Trump actually does organize a challenge against him, McConnell is apparently not concerned that this is a political threat.
“The only place I can see Trump and me actually at loggerheads would be if he gets behind some clown who clearly can’t win,” McConnell says in the book. “To have a chance of getting the Senate back, you have to have the most electable candidates possible.”
https://www.mediaite.com/print/mitch-mcconnell-dismisses-trump-as-a-fading-brand-sucking-up-to-him-not-a-strategy-that-works/
AVGWarhawk
09-23-21, 12:16 PM
Mitch McConnell Dismisses Trump as a ‘Fading Brand’: ‘Sucking Up’ to Him ‘Not a Strategy That Works’
https://i.imgur.com/gSCK5pH.png
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is warning the Republican Party that staying in former President Donald Trump’s thrall will not lead to a viable political future.
The Lexington Herald-Leader obtained a preview of Peril, the upcoming book from Bob Woodward and Robert Costa that has already produced a multitude of explosive details on Trump’s last days in office. According to the new excerpt, McConnell is encouraging the GOP to move away from Trumpism, calling the ex-president “a fading brand. Retired. OTTB as they say in Kentucky — off-the-track Thoroughbred.”
“There is a clear trend moving,” McConnell said. “Sucking up to Donald Trump is not a strategy that works.”
The excerpt comes amid recent reports that Trump is trying to devise a plan with his political allies to have McConnell removed from his Republican leadership position in the Senate. If Trump actually does organize a challenge against him, McConnell is apparently not concerned that this is a political threat.
“The only place I can see Trump and me actually at loggerheads would be if he gets behind some clown who clearly can’t win,” McConnell says in the book. “To have a chance of getting the Senate back, you have to have the most electable candidates possible.”
https://www.mediaite.com/print/mitch-mcconnell-dismisses-trump-as-a-fading-brand-sucking-up-to-him-not-a-strategy-that-works/
Trump and cocaine Mitch never really hit it off.
Rockstar
09-23-21, 01:09 PM
https://youtu.be/JLRPaoyFOQc
3catcircus
09-23-21, 01:37 PM
https://youtu.be/JLRPaoyFOQc
Sure, let's blame the guys doing their jobs, rather than the Biden administration who put them in that position by not enforcing the border in accordance with the law...
c´mon Biden is considered belonging to the good guys and not like the evil who was before him.
Markus
Rockstar
09-23-21, 02:14 PM
Frankly I really don’t think anyone was whipping people. But it is funny to hear the Democrat rhetoric of doing away with Trump border policy to get elected. Only to reinstate it after things get out of control.
Otto Harkaman
09-23-21, 02:31 PM
^
https://i.imgflip.com/4vs348.jpg
Frankly I really don’t think anyone was whipping people. But it is funny to hear the Democrat rhetoric of doing away with Trump border policy to get elected. Only to reinstate it after things get out of control.
I know what makes my FB-friends going around. When former President did or said something you could bet these friends would post a bulletin on the wall.
I also know they would go berserk if this had happened during Trump term.
Now there's nothing but silence.....
Markus
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5d94a2dd7046bc4760c90517/1622821492539-6U0PK8YVDLI4K0LE0IZR/Radicalisation+Meme.png?format=750w
The internet forms an important component of ideological radicalization, as it provides a platform for like-minded individuals to communicate in virtual communities like the ‘Chanosphere,’ which in turn allows for extremist groups to develop safe havens of communication and information exchange. Using the case study of a cluster of alt-right terrorist attacks initiated by the Christchurch mosque shootings in 2019, this analysis will demonstrate that alt-right memes played a central role in radicalization, in that they acted as vessels of encoded racist ideology which used ‘weaponized irony’ as a means of communicating group identity.
At the outset of this article, it is necessary to consider Gill et al’s assertion that it is difficult to tell where the internet stops as ‘there is no clear dichotomy between online and offline radicalization’. For instance, the impact of memetic visual culture on alt-right radicalization inevitably does not take place in a vacuum and is intertwined with other elements. For the purposes of this analysis, radicalization can be loosely defined as ‘the process of developing extremist ideologies and beliefs which may or may not result in a terrorist attack.
An important part of this radicalization process is the ‘sense of belonging’ that alt-right adherents find online. Bogertz and Fielitz explain that many recent extreme-right terrorists have not been members of political organizations or militias, but participants in ‘digital hate communities’ that have used specialized visual language to communicate ideas. This language often takes the form of memes, which can be defined as ‘cultural units of meaning that develop and spread virally by copying or combining with other units’. Memes can be any easily disseminated textual, visual or auditory item(s) that act as a holder of cultural meaning for an audience.
Key online platforms used for sharing alt-right ideas and memes are ‘Chans’ (e.g. 4Chan, 8Chan, Endchan, Neinchan, among others], anonymous online imageboards frequented by extreme-right meme-posters. The network of Chan sites has created what Baele et al. term the ‘Chanosphere’. Chans allow anons (anonymous contributors) to post memes and captions on the topic threads of different boards (e.g., cartoons, pornography, etc.). The ‘politically incorrect’ board on 4Chan, for example, and its equivalent on 8Chan “8Chan/pol” (now defunct) were central in the 2019 cluster of alt-right terror attacks, with 8chan/pol being used by three of the five attackers to post their manifestos, many of which contained references to memes.
To the untrained eye, extreme right memes are politically incorrect or edgy satire, not potential terrorist content. However, their specialized in-jokes and jargon, which often reference seemingly innocuous pop culture items (e.g. cartoons, films, video games), are often uploaded with the intention of ‘rolling off brazen racism’ as ‘half-joking’. By consequence, the ubiquity of this niche style of humour reinforces the in-group identity of alt-right Chan anons.
To the trained eye, as Perez reiterates, alt-right memes are not ‘merely an invitation to humourous fun, but to white supremacist ideology’. The ‘Pepe the Frog’ cartoon marks an example of an avatar strategically claimed by the extreme-right to disguise racism as irony. The harmless-looking frog, created by cartoonist Matt Furie for the slacker comic Boys Club in 2005, was categorized as a hate symbol by the Anti-Defamation League in 2016. Following its popularization on social media platform Myspace and 4Chan in 2008, the cartoon was adopted by the alt-right in the 2010s, and often stylized as a Nazi, and later as Donald Trump.
In this way, alt-right memes are no longer an internet subculture but have been weaponized in the highest echelons of American politics. In 2015, then-President Donald Trump posted an image on his Twitter page of himself represented as a ‘Pepe the Frog’ humanoid. This served to both legitimize the politically loaded visual language of the alt-right and tacitly validate its ideas.
Moreover, the role of Chan sites and memes on alt-right terrorism in recent times cannot be understated, exemplified by the wave of attacks in 2019 occurring in Christchurch, Poway, El Paso, Bairam, and Halle. The Christchurch shooter, Brenton Tarrant, who can be considered a catalyst for the subsequent attacks, encouraged others to make memes shortly before his attack, posting on 8Chan ‘I have provided links to my writings below, please do your part by spreading my message, making memes and sh*tposting as you usually do’. The shooter had also written ‘Remove Kebab’ (a reference to a popular anti-Muslim meme) on one of his rifles, and his manifesto made numerous references to alt-right in-jokes. He live-streamed the attack on Facebook using a helmet-mounted camera and received 4000 views before the video was removed, along with 300,000 reuploads in the first 24 hours.
The widespread broadcast of the video created the conditions for mass meme production and quickly inspired memes comparing the point-of-view footage of the attack with popular ‘first-person shooter games’ like Call of Duty. This marks a further phenomenon on Chan sites, the gamification of violence, where anons compare real-life terror attacks with video games (e.g. the El Paso shooter also referred to as Call of Duty in his manifesto). The Christchurch shooter was portrayed in memes as the martyr ‘Saint Tarrant,’ and has been compared to Jesus in the Chanosphere.
According to Baele et al, the Christchurch shooter’s attack initiated what they termed ‘the Tarrant effect,’ due to the similarities of the attacks that followed. Like Tarrant, all four subsequent attackers posted a manifesto on a Chan site or similar imageboard. Furthermore, shortly before their attack, two live-streamed their attacks, and two attempted to livestream but failed. Three of the four attackers cited Tarrant as an inspiration, and three of the four posted manifestos demonstrating similar ideological dispositions. It is therefore a reasonable assertion that Tarrant influenced both the subsequent attackers as well as the cognitive radicalization of Chan anons by referring to familiar alt-right memes in his manifesto, the inscriptions on his rifle and the ‘in-group’ jokes made at the beginning of his livestream.
The impact of the ‘Chanosphere’ on the radicalization puzzle is inevitably more multifaceted than the scope of this article allows. However, memes have been shown to be important elements of alt-right internet subcultures, as they act as ideologically loaded statements disguised as dark, politically incorrect jokes. Their easy accessibility and ability to be reproduced as ‘units of cultural transmission’ in a closed internet echo chamber can reinforce group identity and ideology that can have deadly consequences in reality. More research is therefore required to investigate the role that memes, and the visual culture of extremist groups more generally, play in driving cognitive radicalization that may result in political violence.
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5d94a2dd7046bc4760c90517/1622819400462-RI865THF31GLYNZXXNI5/Picture1.png?format=300w
https://thesecuritydistillery.org/all-articles/the-central-role-of-memes-on-alt-right-radicalisation-in-the-chanosphere
3catcircus
09-23-21, 05:09 PM
to;dr
BLUF: the left can't meme....
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5d94a2dd7046bc4760c90517/1622821492539-6U0PK8YVDLI4K0LE0IZR/Radicalisation+Meme.png?format=750w
The internet forms an important component of ideological radicalization, as it provides a platform for like-minded individuals to communicate in virtual communities like the ‘Chanosphere,’ which in turn allows for extremist groups to develop safe havens of communication and information exchange. Using the case study of a cluster of alt-right terrorist attacks initiated by the Christchurch mosque shootings in 2019, this analysis will demonstrate that alt-right memes played a central role in radicalization, in that they acted as vessels of encoded racist ideology which used ‘weaponized irony’ as a means of communicating group identity.
At the outset of this article, it is necessary to consider Gill et al’s assertion that it is difficult to tell where the internet stops as ‘there is no clear dichotomy between online and offline radicalization’. For instance, the impact of memetic visual culture on alt-right radicalization inevitably does not take place in a vacuum and is intertwined with other elements. For the purposes of this analysis, radicalization can be loosely defined as ‘the process of developing extremist ideologies and beliefs which may or may not result in a terrorist attack.
An important part of this radicalization process is the ‘sense of belonging’ that alt-right adherents find online. Bogertz and Fielitz explain that many recent extreme-right terrorists have not been members of political organizations or militias, but participants in ‘digital hate communities’ that have used specialized visual language to communicate ideas. This language often takes the form of memes, which can be defined as ‘cultural units of meaning that develop and spread virally by copying or combining with other units’. Memes can be any easily disseminated textual, visual or auditory item(s) that act as a holder of cultural meaning for an audience.
Key online platforms used for sharing alt-right ideas and memes are ‘Chans’ (e.g. 4Chan, 8Chan, Endchan, Neinchan, among others], anonymous online imageboards frequented by extreme-right meme-posters. The network of Chan sites has created what Baele et al. term the ‘Chanosphere’. Chans allow anons (anonymous contributors) to post memes and captions on the topic threads of different boards (e.g., cartoons, pornography, etc.). The ‘politically incorrect’ board on 4Chan, for example, and its equivalent on 8Chan “8Chan/pol” (now defunct) were central in the 2019 cluster of alt-right terror attacks, with 8chan/pol being used by three of the five attackers to post their manifestos, many of which contained references to memes.
To the untrained eye, extreme right memes are politically incorrect or edgy satire, not potential terrorist content. However, their specialized in-jokes and jargon, which often reference seemingly innocuous pop culture items (e.g. cartoons, films, video games), are often uploaded with the intention of ‘rolling off brazen racism’ as ‘half-joking’. By consequence, the ubiquity of this niche style of humour reinforces the in-group identity of alt-right Chan anons.
To the trained eye, as Perez reiterates, alt-right memes are not ‘merely an invitation to humourous fun, but to white supremacist ideology’. The ‘Pepe the Frog’ cartoon marks an example of an avatar strategically claimed by the extreme-right to disguise racism as irony. The harmless-looking frog, created by cartoonist Matt Furie for the slacker comic Boys Club in 2005, was categorized as a hate symbol by the Anti-Defamation League in 2016. Following its popularization on social media platform Myspace and 4Chan in 2008, the cartoon was adopted by the alt-right in the 2010s, and often stylized as a Nazi, and later as Donald Trump.
In this way, alt-right memes are no longer an internet subculture but have been weaponized in the highest echelons of American politics. In 2015, then-President Donald Trump posted an image on his Twitter page of himself represented as a ‘Pepe the Frog’ humanoid. This served to both legitimize the politically loaded visual language of the alt-right and tacitly validate its ideas.
Moreover, the role of Chan sites and memes on alt-right terrorism in recent times cannot be understated, exemplified by the wave of attacks in 2019 occurring in Christchurch, Poway, El Paso, Bairam, and Halle. The Christchurch shooter, Brenton Tarrant, who can be considered a catalyst for the subsequent attacks, encouraged others to make memes shortly before his attack, posting on 8Chan ‘I have provided links to my writings below, please do your part by spreading my message, making memes and sh*tposting as you usually do’. The shooter had also written ‘Remove Kebab’ (a reference to a popular anti-Muslim meme) on one of his rifles, and his manifesto made numerous references to alt-right in-jokes. He live-streamed the attack on Facebook using a helmet-mounted camera and received 4000 views before the video was removed, along with 300,000 reuploads in the first 24 hours.
The widespread broadcast of the video created the conditions for mass meme production and quickly inspired memes comparing the point-of-view footage of the attack with popular ‘first-person shooter games’ like Call of Duty. This marks a further phenomenon on Chan sites, the gamification of violence, where anons compare real-life terror attacks with video games (e.g. the El Paso shooter also referred to as Call of Duty in his manifesto). The Christchurch shooter was portrayed in memes as the martyr ‘Saint Tarrant,’ and has been compared to Jesus in the Chanosphere.
According to Baele et al, the Christchurch shooter’s attack initiated what they termed ‘the Tarrant effect,’ due to the similarities of the attacks that followed. Like Tarrant, all four subsequent attackers posted a manifesto on a Chan site or similar imageboard. Furthermore, shortly before their attack, two live-streamed their attacks, and two attempted to livestream but failed. Three of the four attackers cited Tarrant as an inspiration, and three of the four posted manifestos demonstrating similar ideological dispositions. It is therefore a reasonable assertion that Tarrant influenced both the subsequent attackers as well as the cognitive radicalization of Chan anons by referring to familiar alt-right memes in his manifesto, the inscriptions on his rifle and the ‘in-group’ jokes made at the beginning of his livestream.
The impact of the ‘Chanosphere’ on the radicalization puzzle is inevitably more multifaceted than the scope of this article allows. However, memes have been shown to be important elements of alt-right internet subcultures, as they act as ideologically loaded statements disguised as dark, politically incorrect jokes. Their easy accessibility and ability to be reproduced as ‘units of cultural transmission’ in a closed internet echo chamber can reinforce group identity and ideology that can have deadly consequences in reality. More research is therefore required to investigate the role that memes, and the visual culture of extremist groups more generally, play in driving cognitive radicalization that may result in political violence.
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5d94a2dd7046bc4760c90517/1622819400462-RI865THF31GLYNZXXNI5/Picture1.png?format=300w
https://thesecuritydistillery.org/all-articles/the-central-role-of-memes-on-alt-right-radicalisation-in-the-chanosphere
Otto Harkaman
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You won't get the last post on this forum Arlo! :shucks:
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You won't get the last post on this forum Arlo! :shucks:
What do you meme, chan-baby? :shucks:
Otto Harkaman
09-23-21, 07:16 PM
https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4914907.jpg
https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/a5/a535f86e5a8e92906c0f7a6680927b23.jpeg
If the plan is to 'meme me to death', well ... ack .... arrrrrgh .... *flop.* :shucks:
https://i.imgur.com/WueWS5L.png
Tara Dove
This picture was taken a month or two after my abortion. I was 16 and in an incredibly abusive marriage. You see that wrap on my hand? My wrist was sprained because he threw me out of our bed and onto the floor, to "sleep like the dog you are." When I had my abortion, I still had braces on.
When we found out I was pregnant, no one was happy and I felt like dying. There was no question. The pregnancy would be terminated. His parents paid.
We had to cross state lines and he was speeding (he got pulled over and you can bet I was punished for that). At the clinic, he got angry because he wasn't allowed in the back with me. I was punished for that too.
Because I terminated my pregnancy, I was able to leave him and cut all ties later. I was able to get a restraining order. I was able to move, go to college, have a career, and start a family on my own time. Because I terminated my pregnancy, no child was raised with an abusive father.
Also, as I found out with my planned pregnancy some ten years later, I have a clotting disorder that, without medical intervention, has a high chance of killing any child I carry (I've miscarried twice and my daughter's placenta was clotting at 39 weeks) and throwing a clot in me (I've had one DVT already). This would not have been known when I was 16.
Having an abortion saved my life, in more ways than one. I have not and will never regret it.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1050769058643587/
Otto Harkaman
09-23-21, 07:36 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/35wq9h.jpg
AOC bursts into tears as Iron Dome's $1bn funding is OVERWHELMINGLY approved in House 420-9: Rashida Tlaib is accused of anti-Semitism by fellow Dem after she called Israel a 'violent apartheid system'
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/400x/53269738/you-get-an-iron-dome-and-you-get-an-iron-dome-everybody-gets-an-iron-dome.jpg
I don't think proving me right is having the effect you anticipated. And it's not about 'the last word', chan-dude. It's about actual meaningful ones that don't come off immature. :shucks:
Buddahaid
09-23-21, 08:27 PM
This is making main stream media look sane.
:yeah:
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Rockstar
09-23-21, 08:51 PM
Those racist white supremacists Trump supporters are at it again. Seems they’re going to start a national uprising in response to vaccine mandates
https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-york-blm-leader-promises-national-uprising-over-racist-vaccine-mandates-similar
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Otto Harkaman
09-23-21, 09:06 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/23/18/48301203-0-image-a-65_1632418124668.jpg
New emails from Hunter Biden business associates reveal he asked for $2million retainer PLUS 'success fees' to help them unfreeze $30billion in Libyan assets while his father was VP
https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/i-would-still-be-alive-if-i-donated-to-the-clinton-foundation-muammar-gaddafi.jpg
This is making main stream media look sane.
:yeah:
+1 to that!! :yep:
3catcircus
09-24-21, 08:05 AM
https://i.imgur.com/WueWS5L.png
Tara Dove
This picture was taken a month or two after my abortion. I was 16 and in an incredibly abusive marriage. You see that wrap on my hand? My wrist was sprained because he threw me out of our bed and onto the floor, to "sleep like the dog you are." When I had my abortion, I still had braces on.
When we found out I was pregnant, no one was happy and I felt like dying. There was no question. The pregnancy would be terminated. His parents paid.
We had to cross state lines and he was speeding (he got pulled over and you can bet I was punished for that). At the clinic, he got angry because he wasn't allowed in the back with me. I was punished for that too.
Because I terminated my pregnancy, I was able to leave him and cut all ties later. I was able to get a restraining order. I was able to move, go to college, have a career, and start a family on my own time. Because I terminated my pregnancy, no child was raised with an abusive father.
Also, as I found out with my planned pregnancy some ten years later, I have a clotting disorder that, without medical intervention, has a high chance of killing any child I carry (I've miscarried twice and my daughter's placenta was clotting at 39 weeks) and throwing a clot in me (I've had one DVT already). This would not have been known when I was 16.
Having an abortion saved my life, in more ways than one. I have not and will never regret it.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1050769058643587/
So, in order words, a teenager made one bad choice after another. This isn't news.
So, in order words, a teenager made one bad choice after another. This isn't news.
This really struck me:
I was 16 and in an incredibly abusive marriage
WTH is a 16 year old doing getting married in the first place?
u crank
09-24-21, 08:10 AM
Biden is botching response to Haitian migrant wave
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/23/opinions/biden-immigration-del-rio-filipovic/index.html
The Biden administration was supposed to be better than this.
When you lose someone like Jill Filipovic on CNN well ....
But this President was supposed to be more than just a little better than Trump; he was supposed to be day to Trump's night. Trump dropped the bar of decency and openness to immigrants so low that it would take effort for a Democratic president not to clear it.
It's a humanitarian disaster and a moral failure. And people who were enraged and heartbroken by Trump's immigration policies should be taking a hard look at Biden's choices right now and asking whether such egregious behavior is acceptable -- just because the President had a D next to his name on the ballot.
When attempts to reach Mike Lindell were made it was reported he was too busy screaming into his pillow.
https://i.imgur.com/5lYAvQ8.png
:shucks:
I see Trump is still living rent free in your head.
Buddahaid
09-24-21, 10:24 AM
I see Trump is still living rent free in your head.
That's okay. The worse part is he's still living in the GOP collective mind.
I see Trump is still living rent free in your head.
It's not like you don't have BDS. :03::shucks:
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Memo shows Trump lawyer's six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election
Washington (CNN)
A conservative lawyer working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team tried to convince then-Vice President Mike Pence that he could overturn the election results on January 6 when Congress counted the Electoral College votes by throwing out electors from seven states, according to the new book "Peril" from Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.
The scheme put forward by controversial lawyer John Eastman was outlined in a two-page memo obtained by the authors for "Peril," and which was subsequently obtained by CNN. The memo, which has not previously been made public, provides new detail showing how Trump and his team tried to persuade Pence to subvert the Constitution and throw out the election results on January 6.
The effort to sway Pence was just one of several behind-the-scenes attempts that Trump's team undertook ahead of January 6 in a desperate bid to overturn the 2020 election loss, after dozens of lawsuits were thrown out of the courts. "Peril," which will be released Tuesday, details how Eastman's memo was sent to GOP Sen. Mike Lee of Utah and how Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani tried to convince fellow Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina of election fraud. But both Lee and Graham scoffed at the arguments and found they had no merit.
"You might as well make your case to Queen Elizabeth II. Congress can't do this. You're wasting your time," Lee said to Trump's lawyers trying to overturn the results in Georgia, according to the book.
The Eastman memo laid out a six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election for Trump, which included throwing out the results in seven states because they allegedly had competing electors. In fact, no state had actually put forward an alternate slate of electors -- there were merely Trump allies claiming without any authority to be electors.
Under Eastman's scheme, Pence would have declared Trump the winner with more Electoral College votes after the seven states were thrown out, at 232 votes to 222. Anticipating "howls" from Democrats protesting the overturning of the election, the memo proposes, Pence would instead say that no candidate had reached 270 votes in the Electoral College. That would throw the election to the House of Representatives, where each state would get one vote. Since Republicans controlled 26 state delegations, a majority could vote for Trump to win the election.
The plan was first proposed to Pence when Eastman was with Trump in the Oval Office on January 4, during one of Trump's attempts to convince Pence that he had the authority to stop the certification of the election.
"You really need to listen to John. He's a respected constitutional scholar. Hear him out," Trump said to Pence at that meeting, Woodward and Costa write in "Peril."
In the memo, Eastman went so far as to suggest Pence should take action without warning.
"The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission -- either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court," Eastman wrote. "The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind."
In the end, Pence didn't go along with Eastman's scheme, concluding that the Constitution did not give him any power beyond counting the Electoral College votes. He did his own consultations before January 6, according to the book, reaching out to former Vice President Dan Quayle and the Senate parliamentarian, who were both clear in telling him he had no authority beyond counting the votes.
When Pence refused to intervene, Trump turned on his vice president, attacking him on Twitter even as the insurrection at the Capitol was unfolding on January 6.
The memo could be of interest to the House select committee now investigating the January 6 attack on the Capitol, which recently requested documents from the National Archives that specifically included communications involving Eastman.
"It shows intent, a sophisticated plan, a blueprint to illegally and unconstitutionally overturn and steal the election" by Trump and his team based on false and misleading information and legal arguments, a source familiar with the investigation told CNN.
'Lee's head was spinning'
Eastman spoke at the January 6 rally that preceded the attack on the Capitol. He retired from his position as a professor at Chapman University a week after January 6, which occurred amid protests from faculty at the Southern California university over his participation in Trump's efforts to overturn the election.
Eastman told the Washington Post that his memo merely "explored all options that had been proposed." In an interview on Tuesday, Eastman told CNN that the two-page memo had been only a preliminary draft. He provided CNN with a longer six-page memo laying out numerous other scenarios for Pence to follow on January 6. Eastman told CNN that during the January 4 meeting he'd had in the Oval Office with Trump and Pence, he had told Pence he should only delay certifying votes in the seven states, not try to throw the election to Trump.
The reality, however, is that a delay was simply another avenue to stop Biden from taking office.
Eastman said he had told Pence it was an open question whether he had the authority to unilaterally set aside slates of electors, but that it would be "foolish" to exercise that power because state legislatures had not certified the alternate slates put forward by Trump allies.
As part of the efforts of Trump's team to convince Congress not to certify the election, the initial two-page Eastman memo was given to Lee, one of the Senate's top Republican constitutional authorities. At the same time, Giuliani sent multiple memos to Graham trying to convince him that the claims of election fraud coming from Trump's team were legitimate.
The memos show how even some of Trump's closest allies balked at the measures Trump's team was taking behind the scenes to try to overturn his loss to Biden. But while Lee and Graham heard out the cases from Trump's lawyers, they soundly rejected their claims, Woodward and Costa write.
Lee was shocked by the claims the memo was making, since no state had considered, let alone put forward, any alternate slates of electors. "Lee's head was spinning," the authors write. "No such procedure existed in the Constitution, any law or past practice. Eastman had apparently drawn it out of thin air."
Lee also dismissed the Trump team's arguments that it had a case to overturn the election results in Georgia, saying they had to be made in court.
'Third grade'
Woodward and Costa also obtained several memos Giuliani sent to Graham to try to convince him of election fraud in Georgia and other states. CNN has also obtained those memos.
The authors write that on January 2, Giuliani briefed Graham at the White House. Giuliani presented a statistical analysis arguing Biden's win was impossible, but Graham dismissed Giuliani's evidence as too abstract. "Give me some names. You need to put it in writing. You need to show me the evidence," Graham said, according to the book.
Giuliani then sent Graham several memos and affidavits claiming fraud. But when Graham's chief Judiciary Committee counsel Lee Holmes went over the claims, he found they were sloppy, overbearing and "added up to nothing," Woodward and Costa write. "Holmes reported to Graham that the data in the memos were a concoction, with a bullying tone and eighth grade writing."
"Third grade," Graham responded, according to the book. "I can get an affidavit tomorrow saying the world is flat."
Giuliani did not respond to a request for comment.
Trump has continued to push baseless claims that the election was stolen from him. Last week, he sent a new letter to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger claiming he should start the process of decertifying the 2020 election.
Criminal investigators in the state have been investigating Trump's efforts to overturn Georgia's 2020 election results, including an infamous call Trump made to Raffensperger in which Trump urged the secretary of state to "find" more than 11,000 votes that Trump needed to win.
Graham also made a phone call to Raffensperger, which is part of the Fulton County district attorney's probe. Graham has said his call was to understand the process of verifying signatures on mail-in ballots.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/politics/trump-pence-election-memo/index.html?fbclid=IwAR236cnT3awfnMZSf8Yb_DBJCOtJpv 9rzHPnLk2k2_0nJz4qtw07V0wsACk
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Disclaimer warning: Memes of reality may result in temper tantrums from the far right.
https://i.imgur.com/zF39ODs.png
Disclaimer: It's ok. The fear is palatable. From them.
What? A meme? :o
:shucks:
u crank
09-24-21, 12:16 PM
Disclaimer warning: Memes of reality may result in temper tantrums from the far right.
Will you be administering a far right detection test or do you just included everyone to the right of you?
Will you be administering a far right detection test or do you just included everyone to the right of you?
I just figure that the 'test' is built in.
But if you want to provide more detail:
Reality makes you feel -
a) Angry
b) Confused
c) Intimidated
d) All of the above
:shucks:
u crank
09-24-21, 12:42 PM
Reality makes you feel -
a) Angry
b) Confused
c) Intimidated
d) All of the above
Those are not political positions.
Try again.
Those are not political positions.
Try again.
They shouldn't be, alas ... the radicalized right (and maybe even the left) tend to position themselves thusly.
But you asked for a test and I acquiesced. I can't guarantee one you'd like.
Here's you a 'try again.'
Select your 'political position' -
a) Prone
b) Inverted
c) Bent over backwards
d) Tied to the bedpost
e) A combination of all or part of the above
:shucks:
https://i.imgur.com/ASqOAzB.png
Not only should everyone vote. Everyone should be allowed to.
u crank
09-24-21, 01:26 PM
Select your 'political position' -
a) Prone
b) Inverted
c) Bent over backwards
d) Tied to the bedpost
e) A combination of all or part of the above
My political position is not prone, inverted, bent over or tied.
I'm a Canadian. :salute:
My political position is not prone, inverted, bent over or tied.
I'm a Canadian. :salute:
(Notes third response to disclaimer.) :shucks:
u crank
09-24-21, 01:38 PM
(Notes third response to disclaimer.) :shucks:
What a child.
What a child.
(Notes fourth response.) :shucks:
Jimbuna
09-24-21, 01:42 PM
(Notes fourth response.) :shucks:
Note this, my first response.
Negative feedback and allegations of SPAMMING and trolling are arriving on my desk in small but growing numbers.
Rockstar
09-24-21, 01:53 PM
The art world has a money laundering problem
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/29/business/art-money-laundering-sanctions-senate/index.html
Oh look
Hunter Biden’s $500,000 artwork is not the real scandal
The art market is a racket — his exhibitions are drawing attention to that
https://unherd.com/thepost/hunter-bidens-500000-artwork-is-not-the-real-scandal/
Biden’s upcoming exhibitions in Los Angeles and New York will still see the president’s son “schmoozing with any and all potential buyers.” Which is perhaps why Hunter’s distinctly mediocre artworks are ranging from $75,000-$500,000.
But who is this affair more embarrassing for: the Biden family or the art world? Ironically, Hunter’s scandal-tarnished reputation has also drawn attention to the racket that the art market has become.
According to a Senate-led investigation into two Russian oligarchs who used art purchases to evade sanctions, the art market is now the country’s largest unregulated industry. This makes America a hub in a global art market which is rife with money laundering.
Note this, my first response.
Negative feedback and allegations of SPAMMING and trolling are arriving on my desk in small but growing numbers.
Spamming and trolling? To help me in this, which of my posts are spam and which of them are examples of trolling? I wasn't aware I was interacting any differently than most here. I'm not one to make allegations or give negative feedback, though.
Public admonition is noted, however. :shucks:
Rockstar
09-24-21, 04:17 PM
Not too worry arlo, I really meant it when I said I find your posts amusing and I really do get a laugh reading them.
Please do continue. ;)
Interesting the Trump haters who were only all to happy to see him banned from social media can’t come to your rescue without looking like hypocrites. And those that believe he should not have been banned seek to have your access restricted.
Though let it be known I acknowledge and respect the Ban Hammer authority belongs to the owner and his chosen representatives.
Rockstar
09-24-21, 07:27 PM
While we’re on the subject.
https://youtu.be/VedCl2zG7r8
Will you be administering a far right detection test or do you just included everyone to the right of you?
Arlo leans so far left, he's in danger of capsizing. :Kaleun_Salute:
That's okay. The worse part is he's still living in the GOP collective mind.
Huh? Hiveminding is a Democrat thang.
Arlo leans so far left, he's in danger of capsizing. :Kaleun_Salute:
At least you're not getting personal or trying to bait me, Def. :shucks:
Arlo leans so far left, he's in danger of capsizing. :Kaleun_Salute:
You know, Democrats actually believe that whole islands can capsize if you overload them with troops. It's like they are just big floating rafts, drifting around the ocean, bumping into stuff. No, it's true! Not just the small fry either but actual members of congress.
Otto Harkaman
09-24-21, 07:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARHsYZdYKYE
Buddahaid
09-24-21, 08:05 PM
Huh? Hiveminding is a Democrat thang.
LOL! It's so high you can't get over it. It's so low you can't get under it. It's so wide you can't get around it. If you make your bed on the left it's there, if you make your bed on the right it's there, it's everywhere. Woo! Hep me somebody...
LOL! It's so high you can't get over it. It's so low you can't get under it. It's so wide you can't get around it. If you make your bed on the left it's there, if you make your bed on the right it's there, it's everywhere. Woo! Hep me somebody...
Is this part of that floating island theory? :hmmm:
Buddahaid
09-24-21, 10:48 PM
I'm hearing that Fox News has cancelled Rudy Giuliani and his son. It appears the cancel culture isn't merely a left wing phenomenum as it is usually depicted.
https://thehill.com/media/573771-fox-news-bans-rudy-giuliani-from-appearing-report
I'm hearing that Fox News has cancelled Rudy Giuliani and his son. It appears the cancel culture isn't merely a left wing phenomenum as it is usually depicted.
https://thehill.com/media/573771-fox-news-bans-rudy-giuliani-from-appearing-report
I'm hearing left wing competitor The Hill quoting another left wing competitor Politico CLAIMING that Giuliani and son have been banned by Fox news. Maybe it's true, I understand that Murdoch kids who have taken over are far more liberal than their old man so maybe there is some truth to it, but given the lack of confirmation from Fox it's much much more likely that it's just another left wing attack piece.
em2nought
09-25-21, 12:48 AM
I'm hearing that Fox News has cancelled Rudy Giuliani and his son. It appears the cancel culture isn't merely a left wing phenomenum as it is usually depicted.
https://thehill.com/media/573771-fox-news-bans-rudy-giuliani-from-appearing-report
Fox News is hardly a bastion of the right any longer. :03:
Buddahaid
09-25-21, 12:49 AM
So maybe not "banned" but suspended for 90 days.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-bans-rudy-giuliani-3-months-election-fraud-claims-2021-9
Ninety days en zee cooler!
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/nazipedia/images/b/b5/Colonel_klink.jpg
So maybe not "banned" but suspended for 90 days.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-bans-rudy-giuliani-3-months-election-fraud-claims-2021-9
Looks to me like it's just parroting the politico claim.
Buddahaid
09-25-21, 01:30 AM
You're supposed to be in bed by now. Are you playing with your trains?
Rockstar
09-25-21, 08:06 AM
Fox News did write that even though the allegations of agents whipping Haitians was false. Biden continues to claim they did.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/border-patrol-agents-biden-backs-claims-whipping-promises-agents-pay
u crank
09-25-21, 08:14 AM
Fox News did write that even though the allegations of agents whipping Haitians was false. Biden continues to claim they did.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/border-patrol-agents-biden-backs-claims-whipping-promises-agents-pay
Biden is doing what he has to do ... virtue signal. It's the progressive way and facts be damned.
At least you're not getting personal or trying to bait me, Def. :shucks:
Just poking fun at you.
Just poking fun at you.
Better be careful. I was reported for doing the same. :shucks:
Is USA on it's way to become isolated
Heard some guy on the news yesterday saying
USA is slowly starting to withdraw into itself and it's therefore important that EU become stronger.
Markus
Otto Harkaman
09-25-21, 10:28 AM
we aren't withdrawing we are imploding
Better be careful. I was reported for doing the same. :shucks: Self discipline helps, You need to learn to walk right up to the line, but not cross it.
Self discipline helps, You need to learn to walk right up to the line, but not cross it.
Good advice. I've lived it, I've given it. :shucks:
You're supposed to be in bed by now. Are you playing with your trains?
It's been a long time since I did any work on the layout.
If it's official
The question is, how much will the Rep. lose on this. No doubt he will steal million of votes from mostly Rep. Party
Only “a bad call from a doctor” could derail another bid for the White House, former President Trump said, tiptoeing ever closer to announcing his third presidential campaign.
https://nypost.com/2021/09/25/trump-hints-at-another-white-house-run-as-he-heads-to-georgia-rally/
Markus
Buddahaid
09-25-21, 09:25 PM
It's been a long time since I did any work on the layout.
That is trully sad.
https://i.imgur.com/miMF5Mc.png
Well, you should eat some dog ****. Sorry my friend but in the future you Will Eat what you get served. Always remember there thousands of you young that want utopia.But to get there is a gamble. We do not want the strong or the smart only those who are obedient. We have a world to save. And wake up we are the Galt's isn't that what you want? We are your future and all the past must be erased and every person on this planet in the future will be judged on what their worth is. It's a matter of resources, Have you not seen the picture of earth rise from the moon?
When the ideologies of neo-nazis and white supremacists are welcomed into the free exchange of ideas (as if they had anything worthwhile to offer society) then those that welcome them are suspect (they are either a card carrying member of one, the other, or both). That shouldn't offend anyone here, should it? :shucks:
Rockstar
10-03-21, 10:37 PM
https://youtu.be/Q7mBgOQDxQo
When the ideologies of neo-nazis and white supremacists are welcomed into the free exchange of ideas (as if they had anything worthwhile to offer society) then those that welcome them are suspect (they are either a card carrying member of one, the other, or both). That shouldn't offend anyone here, should it? :shucks:
Arlo there are no neo- nazis there are no supremacist. Thank you for your service. Right now we don't need your muscle or your dedication we are in the reset. Every single person from every background every race we have vetted they are all Galt's and never forget this young man the desire to live among what they now call the Globalist is a fight for their lives. The past will not carry you to the future. Only the present is what you see it's what we give you.The Truth is what we make you believe. And this is the Truth.
Buddahaid
10-03-21, 11:41 PM
Not all truthes are equal.
Is that a physical threat combined with a compliment? Good thing you're behind a keyboard, though, right? :shucks:
Not only was i behind a keyboard but, Ah i was guilty of having a few shot's of Rum. It's in my heritage English ya see .So don't take it personally ya see we Americans have this fault.
Arlo there are no neo- nazis there are no supremacist. Thank you for your service. Right now we don't need your muscle or your dedication we are in the reset. Every single person from every background every race we have vetted they are all Galt's and never forget this young man the desire to live among what they now call the Globalist is a fight for their lives. The past will not carry you to the future. Only the present is what you see it's what we give you.The Truth is what we make you believe. And this is the Truth.
Sorry, but your 'Galt-truth' weirdness is just mental and emotional obfuscation. There are indeed white supremacists and neo-nazis and both are a blight on society. Your desire for a 'reset' is akin to all the weirdo types out there that are attracted to dystopian futures that don't really care about traditional American values or even the well-being of society - both of which were strongly instilled in me by my WWII veteran grandfather and my Vietnam veteran father (God rest both their souls) over 50 years ago. :shucks:
Not only was i behind a keyboard but, Ah i was guilty of having a few shot's of Rum. It's in my heritage English ya see .So don't take it personally ya see we Americans have this fault.
Not all do. :shucks:
Sorry, but your 'Galt-truth' weirdness is just mental and emotional obfuscation. There are indeed white supremacists and neo-nazis and both are a blight on society. Your desire for a 'reset' is akin to all the weirdo types out there that are attracted to dystopian futures that don't really care about traditional American values or even the well-being of society - both of which were strongly instilled in me by my WWII veteran grandfather and my Vietnam veteran father (God rest both their souls) over 50 years ago. :shucks:
Arlo, We can't talk about the past. Or those who decided to fight you see they were the ones who at that point in their lives may have belonged to the KKK and the Democrat party at that time.And thanks' to your grandpa's and your father you have a keyboard to get on but. That was yesterday its's all Blah Blah we have to look towards future. And the future of the planet and that's where you find yourself today.JFK said it's not what your country can do for you. I must ask you are you willing to walk bare foot for 1 quarter mile for 1 can of chicken noodle soup. For the future you believe ?
Goodnight (morning), Gorpet-Galt. :shucks:
Goodnight (morning), Gorpet-Galt. :shucks:
:salute: Goodnight Arlo
Bilge_Rat
10-05-21, 10:29 AM
If it's official
The question is, how much will the Rep. lose on this. No doubt he will steal million of votes from mostly Rep. Party
https://nypost.com/2021/09/25/trump-hints-at-another-white-house-run-as-he-heads-to-georgia-rally/
Markus
all driven by polls, a recent Rasmussen poll had Trump beating Biden by 10 points, 51 to 41 in a rematch.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/23/nolte-donald-trump-trounces-joe-biden-by-ten-points-in-2024-rematch/
If Biden's presidency keeps imploding and Dems lose the House and Senate in 2022, which now looks likely, then yes, there is a good chance Trump will run again.
all driven by polls, a recent Rasmussen poll had Trump beating Biden by 10 points, 51 to 41 in a rematch.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/23/nolte-donald-trump-trounces-joe-biden-by-ten-points-in-2024-rematch/
If Biden's presidency keeps imploding and Dems lose the House and Senate in 2022, which now looks likely, then yes, there is a good chance Trump will run again.
Solo or with GOP behind him ?(If he decide to run for office in 2024)
Markus
all driven by polls, a recent Rasmussen poll had Trump beating Biden by 10 points, 51 to 41 in a rematch.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/23/nolte-donald-trump-trounces-joe-biden-by-ten-points-in-2024-rematch/
If Biden's presidency keeps imploding and Dems lose the House and Senate in 2022, which now looks likely, then yes, there is a good chance Trump will run again.
Breitbart satire is the best. :shucks::haha:
Bilge_Rat
10-05-21, 11:37 AM
Breitbart satire is the best. :shucks::haha:
It refers to a Rasmussen poll with the link, so no it is not satire. I would have provided another article, but, surprise, surprise, most of the MSM is ignoring the poll.
Bilge_Rat
10-05-21, 11:39 AM
Solo or with GOP behind him ?(If he decide to run for office in 2024)
Markus
You know how politics works, a lot of candidates are already lining up for 24, Cruz, Cotton, DeSantis, etc., but if Trump runs and gets the nomination, they will all fall in line.
It refers to a Rasmussen poll with the link, so no it is not satire. I would have provided another article, but, surprise, surprise, most of the MSM is ignoring the poll.
Pointing to Rassmussen, Brietbart or the New York Post as bastions of unbiased and truthful reporting is kinda like ... well ... just looking for a source to make you feel justified in your own right leaning bias.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports
But hey ... deep down you already knew that, right?
:shucks:
It refers to a Rasmussen poll with the link, so no it is not satire. I would have provided another article, but, surprise, surprise, most of the MSM is ignoring the poll.
I toke a look at this homepage
If I read the thing correctly Biden isn't exactly a loved President.
The latest figures include 23% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 47% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -24.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/prez_track_oct06
Down on the same page there's this diagram between Biden and Trump.
Here it shows that Trump leads with 45 % over Biden's 43 %.
Edit
I can understand that this Rasmussen polls isn't trustworthy at all.
But where is it not trustworthy ? I know a poll depend on how the
interviewe ask the question(s)
End Edit
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Bilge_Rat
10-05-21, 11:51 AM
Pointing to Rassmussen, Brietbart or the New York Post as bastions of unbiased and truthful reporting is kinda like ... well ... just looking for a source to make you feel justified in your own right leaning bias.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports
But hey ... deep down you already knew that, right?
:shucks:
Rasmussen is conservative, yes, but a well respected polling organisation. Their polls have always been within the margin of error of other polls.
You know Wikipedia is manipulated by political activists and it is not a reliable source, don't you?
Rasmussen is conservative, yes, but a well respected polling organisation. Their polls have always been within the margin of error of other polls.
You know Wikipedia is manipulated by political activists and it is not a reliable source, don't you?
Likely much more reliable than Rasmussen.
However, you're convinced otherwise. So, meh.
:shucks:
Likely much more reliable than Rasmussen.
However, you're convinced otherwise. So, meh.
:shucks:
As an outsider I have to ask which polls do you see as reliable ?
Markus
Bilge_Rat
10-05-21, 12:07 PM
Down on the same page there's this diagram between Biden and Trump.
Here it shows that Trump leads with 45 % over Biden's 43 %.
Markus
well no, that Chart is tracking Biden's approval rating in 21 with Trump's approval rating at the same time in 17. You always have a honeymoon period followed by a drop. What is surprising is how quickly Biden's approval rating is falling. You see the same thing with other polling organization.
As an outsider I have to ask which polls do you see as reliable ?
Markus
Quinnipiac.
Bilge_Rat
10-05-21, 12:42 PM
Quinnipiac.
Quinnipiac?!?
now that is funny...:haha:
Quinnipiac?!?
now that is funny...:haha:
Hadn't heard of this before so I made a search for it and discovered it was an university. Ok either Arlo is pulling my leg or he is telling me that there ain't no poll that can be trusted.
Markus
Bilge_Rat
10-05-21, 01:38 PM
well no, all polls have a bias, some worse than others, best method is just to look at an average of polls, but even then there will still be a margin of error.
well no, all polls have a bias, some worse than others, best method is just to look at an average of polls, but even then there will still be a margin of error.
Realclearpolitics average of polls has Biden's disapproval rate at 47.9%. Two points higher than his approval at 45.1%
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html
It also depends on where a person stands politically whether this person believe a poll or not.
Wonder how much a poll that show Biden with more than 50 % approval would be trusted here in this thread.
Markus
Hey, believe what you want to believe. I mean, that's what you'll do, anyway. There are still Trump devotees who believe with all their heart that Trump won the last presidential election and that Trump will be reinstated on (what's it up to now? Thanksgiving?) and refuse to believe that 'cyber ninjas' found more votes for Biden than Trump in Arizona. So don't mind me laughing. I'm just hoping Billy Bob Joe Wayne so-n-so doesn't lose his mind when the latest thing he believes in lets him down and he decides to shoot up a hospital, daycare, church, or mall because of it. I want it to stay funny, not turn tragic. :shucks:
^ I don't believe a thing when it comes to politics and politicians.
I believe in myself and my cat.
Markus
Otto Harkaman
10-05-21, 04:05 PM
The CJCS will hand over the nuclear authorization codes to the Chinese Communist Party to make sure "Democrtacy" is safe from a Populist takeover. :shucks:
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/unionleader.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/8c/88c926a3-84ae-51fa-8bd1-d9438b280808/60d5c9033222c.image.jpg
The CJCS will hand over the nuclear authorization codes to the Chinese Communist Party to make sure "Democrtacy" is safe from a Populist takeover. :shucks:
(Rather stupid meme removed)
Sorry, Otto, that general has more gumption and courage, more intelligence and wisdom, more patriotism and devotion to the nation than you could imagine having. But you just stumbled over a meme that you though was 'clever' and decided to share it with this community ... for some reason. :shucks:
3catcircus
10-05-21, 04:49 PM
It also depends on where a person stands politically whether this person believe a poll or not.
Wonder how much a poll that show Biden with more than 50 % approval would be trusted here in this thread.
Markus
When there are numerous instances of crowds chanting "F$&@ Joe Biden" at multiple public events, I'd say such a poll doesn't exist.
The fact of the matter is that collusion and cheating by the Democrats to forcibly get Biden votes that he didn't earn legally by voters actually interested in voting for him isn't an inconceivable occurrence. Is there enough of it to have swayed the election? Who knows because no one is willing to actually audit the ballots in most states. Arizona's results were purposely reported out of context to claim Biden won even harder even though the results show duplicate absentee ballots counted and over 50,000 invalid ballots counted.
No one is demanding to make Trump president for a 2nd term, they're just demanding that only valid ballots be counted and that they are counted accurately. They want it to be easy to vote but nearly impossible to cheat - and that isn't too much to ask for. It's just that members of both parties have been cheating for so long they've forgotten that they're cheating and act shocked when called on it.
And it's not about elections - it's about society as a whole. When politicians, CEOs, models, actors, etc. do something we all know is illegal or immoral and get away with it but a truck driver or electrician would get thrown in jail, it's a problem.
It comes down to what we tell our children about doing their best and playing fair as they are growing up, and then they see that some people are cheaters and are rewarded for it. Don't get me wrong - socialism is a cancer, but crony capitalism is also a problem - and it is so entrenched with politics that it needs to be broken. No lobbyists. No donations from corporations. Term limits for every elected office.
Rockstar
10-05-21, 04:58 PM
Sorry, Otto, that general has more gumption and courage, more intelligence and wisdom, more patriotism and devotion to the nation than you could imagine having. But you just stumbled over a meme that you though was 'clever' and decided to share it with this community ... for some reason. :shucks:
I believe you believe that. You go girl :yeah:
3catcircus
10-05-21, 05:00 PM
Sorry, Otto, that general has more gumption and courage, more intelligence and wisdom, more patriotism and devotion to the nation than you could imagine having. But you just stumbled over a meme that you though was 'clever' and decided to share it with this community ... for some reason. :shucks:
Milley is a turd. A corporate yes-man in a uniform instead of a three-piece suit.
I don't care *what* you think of a president - your job is to obey his orders as CinC, not second-guess him and decide which orders to obey. Obey or resign the position.
I believe you believe that. You go girl :yeah:
His record speaks for itself. You speak for something else. :shucks:
Milley is a turd. A corporate yes-man in a uniform instead of a three-piece suit.
I don't care *what* you think of a president - your job is to obey his orders as CinC, not second-guess him and decide which orders to obey. Obey or resign the position.
Heh. His primary responsibility is to the Constitution and the nation. It was more than 'thinking (opinion) of the president.' :shucks:
Rockstar
10-05-21, 06:06 PM
Heh. His primary responsibility is to the Constitution and the nation. It was more than 'thinking (opinion) of the president.' :shucks:
I thought you said you were prior service, you should know better. His responsibility like anyone who SERVES is to do what he’s told by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces who also happens to be a civilian elected official. The CJSC serves at the pleasure of the President. Enemies we defend our Constitution against are declared by civilian elected officials not by our military generals or social media karens. The last thing anyone in the military should think themselves to be is some kind of constitutional lawyer.
In case you were wondering.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/163
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/152#c
Primary is to defend the Constitution
Isn't the President a part of the Constitution ?
Markus
I thought you said you were prior service, you should know better. His responsibility is to do what he’s told by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces who also happens to be a civilian elected official. The CJSC serves at the pleasure of the President.
In case you were wondering.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/163
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/152#c
I am prior service. And, apparently, I have a firmer grip on this than you ... or Otto. The UCMJ absolves everyone in the military from following unlawful orders. Even orders from the POTUS. And yes, that includes anticipating the potential of (in this world of potential nuclear Armageddon). Remember, this was a 'president' who tried to float the idea of nuking a hurricane. He wanted to push that button so bad.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-orders-3332819
"The military oath taken at the time of induction into the military is as follows:
"I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God"
Notice the oath states, “I will obey the orders of the President of the United States...”, but the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) Article 90 states that military personnel need to obey the "lawful orders of his/her superior. The duty and obligation to obey lawful orders creates no grey area for discussion. But does the military member have a duty to DISOBEY “unlawful orders” including orders of senior officers, Secretary of Defense and even the President of the United States? The UCMJ actually protects the soldier in this situation as he/she has a moral and legal obligation to the Constitution and not to obey unlawful orders and the people who issue them.
These have to be strong examples of a direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ and not the military member’s own opinion.
Military discipline and effectiveness are built on a foundation of obedience to orders. Recruits are taught to obey orders from their superiors immediately and without question, right from day one of boot camp."
tRump had already displayed publicly an incredible disassociation from reality. And now there are reports of instances where he was worse in private. Milly was witness to many of those moments that were out of the public eye. tRump's embarrassed. tRump's pissed. tRump wants you to be, too. Even if Milly did us all a favor (him included).
Primary is to defend the Constitution
Isn't the President a part of the Constitution ?
Markus
Um, no, not really. He believed he was an exception to it, even.
Rockstar
10-05-21, 06:55 PM
I am prior service. And, apparently, I have a firmer grip on this than you ... or Otto. The UCMJ absolves everyone in the military from following unlawful orders. Even orders from the POTUS. And yes, that includes anticipating the potential of (in this world of potential nuclear Armageddon). Remember, this was a 'president' who tried to float the idea of nuking a hurricane. He wanted to push that button so bad.
LOL you didn’t read your own link again did you? Just an FYI, but Career Balance probably isn’t the best source on the UCMJ or military matters. I’m not aware of any article in the UCMJ that absolves you from disobeying an unlawful order. Though it does have one helluva a lot about punishment for NOT following a lawful order.
Here’s what happens if you disobey a lawful order. 1st it will be presumed the orders given to you were lawful ones. But of course you in all your knowledge of woke social justice theory disobey them because in your experience as a defense attorney and a constitutional lawyer you think they were unlawful.
The first order of business is that you will be brought up charges for failing to obey a lawful order. See the thing is the UCMJ doesn’t have to prove a damn thing. It’s you who will have to prove the order was unlawful only then do you stand a chance. So you had better have a damn good lawyer to defend your position.
Rockstar
10-05-21, 07:01 PM
Primary is to defend the Constitution
Isn't the President a part of the Constitution ?
Markus
I think it’s article 2 of the constitution that goes into how a president is elected and what his authority is.
LOL you didn’t read your own link again did you? Just an FYI, but Career Balance probably isn’t the best source on the UCMJ or military matters. I’m not aware of any article in the UCMJ that absolves you from disobeying an unlawful order. Though it does have one helluva a lot about punishment for NOT following a lawful order.
Here’s what happens if you disobey a lawful order. Because it will be presumed your orders will be given to you as lawful ones. But you in all your woke social justice disobey them because in all your experience as a defense attorney and a constitutional lawyer you think they were unlawful.
The first order of business is that you will be brought up charges for failing to obey a lawful order. See the thing is the UCMJ doesn’t have to prove a damn thing. It’s you who will have to prove the order was unlawful. So you had better have a damn good lawyer to defend your position.
https://i.imgur.com/NGWumPn.png
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-hrsp/legacy/2011/02/04/03-10-08dod-ucmj.pdf
https://i.imgur.com/4BoWiNJ.jpg
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