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Commander Wallace

05-01-25, 09:49 AM

The Economic Situation in the U.S didn't happen overnight. We in the Electorate knew there would be some pain in converting from a largely a Service Economy to a Manufacturing Economy and Base. One has to wonder why those of foreign Countries are critical of these changes. It seems that they want the U.S to Fail and take much delight in it's pains. The question is why ? Could it be they know they can no longer ride the Gravy Train as supported on the backs of U.S Taxpayers ? Could it be that they fear the Economic impact of a determined and resurgent U.S on their respective market shares ?

The very definition of Insanity is to do the same things over and over, no matter how badly they failed and expecting different results.

It will take some effort and perseverance to " right the ship " we in the U.S are on. Many in the U.S understand the economic benefits of a strong manufacturing base. These changes will also secure the futures of those who are just coming out of High School and give them viable options regarding Occupational Vocations. Their issues then will be difficult in deciding which way to go. :yep: They will have many, many options. :) In my opinion, we are on the right course. I believe it's worth some pain to insure the futures of the Generations coming up after us and our Children and Grand children :yep: Everyone, no matter their respective Country of Origin wants that for their Country and Family.

What many in foreign Countries don't understand is the Democrat Party way of doing things and what they stand-and don't stand for. They want to be able to control and redirect and redistribute wealth. They want to control the Economy, Business and It's population and essentially take the Money that people make. Most people know this destroys any kind of incentives to work hard and build businesses. Most people know that small businesses are the backbone of the U.S or used to be.

Most people also understand that the Democratic Party way is simply Socialism. Throw in the racist policies of DEI initiatives, their support for the rights of Migrants over U.S Citizens and their attempts to undermine the Police and law and Order. This is the Democratic way and a recipe for disaster. The Democrats way needlessly places Americans in harms way and danger.

Keep in mind that the Democrats also wanted to outlaw and ban Guns and ownership of Firearms so the average Citizen wouldn't be able to protect themselves. An ugly picture starts to emerge. The Democrats are a Danger to the Republic and Democratic Country that the U.S remains to be. I'm thankful to say that the way of the Democrats are not the American way. I'm further gratified that my fellow Countrymen understand the dangers that the Democrats pose to our Republic. :yep:

AVGWarhawk

05-01-25, 09:58 AM

The Economic Situation in the U.S didn't happen overnight. We in the Electorate knew there would be some pain in converting from a largely a Service Economy to a Manufacturing Economy and Base. One has to wonder why those of foreign Countries are critical of these changes. It seems that they want the U.S to Fail and take much delight in it's pains. The question is why ? Could it be they know they can no longer ride the Gravy Train as supported on the backs of U.S Taxpayers ? Could it be that they fear the Economic impact of a determined and resurgent U.S on their respective market shares ?

The very definition of Insanity is to do the same things over and over, no matter how badly they failed and expecting different results.

It will take some effort and perseverance to " right the ship " we in the U.S are on. Many in the U.S understand the economic benefits of a strong manufacturing base. These changes will also secure the futures of those who are just coming out of High School and give them viable options regarding Occupational Vocations. Their issues then will be difficult in deciding which way to go. :yep: They will have many, many options. :) In my opinion, we are on the right course.

What many in foreign Countries don't understand is the Democrat Party way of doing things and what they stand-and don't stand for. They want to be able to control and redirect and redistribute wealth. They want to control the Economy, Business and It's population and essentially take the Money that people make. Most people know this destroys any kind of incentives to work hard and build businesses. Most people know that small businesses are the backbone of the U.S or used to be.

Most people also understand that the Democratic Party way is simply Socialism. Throw in the racist policies of DEI initiatives, their support for the rights of Migrants over U.S Citizens and their attempts to undermine the Police and law and Order. This is the Democratic way and a recipe for disaster. The Democrats way places Americans in Danger.

Keep in mind that the Democrats also wanted to outlaw and ban Guns and ownership of Firearms. An ugly picture starts to emerge. The Democrats are a Danger to the Republic and Democratic Country that the U.S remains to be. I'm thankful to say that the way of the Democrats are not the American way. I'm further gratified that my fellow Countrymen understand the dangers that the Democrats pose to our Republic. :yep:

Yet we are told that many do not want to perform manufacturing jobs. It does not take a rocket scientist to see there are multiple areas in the country that would welcome a manufacturing plant that offers stable jobs and a career at said factory. A better life. Youtube is full of videos of ghost communities in WV, MI, PA and beyond. Communities that had a manufacturing plant or two that since closed and move to China, etc. But we blame the workers and or union that forced higher wages. To some degree this is true. The entire country needs a reset of the mind as well as how we do business. As of late, all want a work from home job. :doh:

Commander Wallace

05-01-25, 10:11 AM

Yet we are told that many do not want to perform manufacturing jobs. It does not take a rocket scientist to see there are multiple areas in the country that would welcome a manufacturing plant that offers stable jobs and a career at said factory. A better life. Youtube is full of videos of ghost communities in WV, MI, PA and beyond. Communities that had a manufacturing plant or two that since closed and move to China, etc. But we blame the workers and or union that forced higher wages. To some degree this is true. The entire country needs a reset of the mind as well as how we do business. As of late, all want a work from home job. :doh:

Sadly, there is some truth to that as well. Maybe I'm old School. Like many here, I have an Education behind me. However, I never got away from the enjoyment of building things with my own hands. :yep: As you said, the entire Country needs a reset.

AVGWarhawk

05-01-25, 10:14 AM

Sadly, there is some truth to that as well. Maybe I'm old School. Like many here, I have an Education behind me. However, I never got away from the enjoyment of building things with my own hands. :yep: As you said, the entire Country needs a reset.

I have an education behind me as well. But I'm more mechanical minded. I will take things apart to see how they work!

Commander Wallace

05-01-25, 10:19 AM

I have an education behind me as well. But I'm more mechanical minded. I will take things apart to see how they work!

I knew you did, Chris. :yep: Your Buick Cars are proof positive of your Mechanical background. I know others here have a formal Education as well. Others here also have a Military background to go with their Education. That's one of the many reasons :subsim:

August

05-01-25, 11:14 AM

But we blame the workers and or union that forced higher wages.

I'd venture to say that an equal or greater cause is the government regulations and environmental restrictions that we impose on ourselves. Not that they are necessarily bad things but if China and the rest of the world don't have to abide by them it gives them an unfair competitive advantage. That alone justifies a sizable tariff on their goods.

AVGWarhawk

05-01-25, 11:18 AM

I'd venture to say that an equal or greater cause is the government regulations and environmental restrictions that we impose on ourselves. Not that they are necessarily bad things but if China and the rest of the world don't have to abide by them it gives them an unfair competitive advantage. That alone justifies a sizable tariff on their goods.

Excellent point!

Bubblehead1980

05-01-25, 01:47 PM

Sounds like Trump Derangement Syndrome to me.

TDS is actually Trump Devotion Syndrome. Yes, a lot of people STILL have it. People, who claim to love freedom, wave flags, talk about liberty etc. are supporting an objectively, provable neofascist demagogue and his regime of malevolent actors, who are actively, overtly breaking laws, infringing upon individual liberties such as due process, committing human rights violations, and other atrocities on a daily basis, but many (not all, as they are bleeding supporting heavily) remain hopelessly devoted to the orange buffoon. Cult of Personality, who are addicted to the validation of their ignorance, bigotry through the regime and propaganda. We've seen this movie before, it does not end well.

I had two friends who are from Germany call me on election night. Neither one know each other, one lives in Florida and one is in Germany. Both of them asked "What is wrong with your country?!" "How can so many people not see it?!" Complex answer but at the root of it is US has a severely undereducated adult population and both agreed, Americans are spoiled.

Americans do not have the collective cultural trauma of what fascism brings. America has it's pseudo fascist past, oppression etc but it has never been where we are now and where are heading under this regime. During WW II, while we suffered, we did not suffer the way Europe did. Our cities were not bombed out with millions did, left destitute. We didn't live the trauma of fascist regime in power prior to the war, their atrocities etc. Because of this lack of cultural trauma, the masses in the US did not see the danger of overt fascists such as Trump and company. While many do now, sadly, some still do not, in the face of incontrovertible evidence of their fascist rhetoric, actions, policies. Some are just undereducated and do not understand what they are witnessing as well. Many believe because of the exceptionalism propaganda ingrained in our culture, that we're immune to the fates of other nations. Then, you do have some who are nationalists, white supremacists, i.e. fascists who are cheering this on, until it turns on them. Dare to point this out with facts, evidence? They can neve respond with objective facts, evidence, just the lifeblood of Trumpism...fallacies, cognitive dissonance, conjecture, supposition, insults, gaslighting, and outright lies.

A favorite is the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" nonsense, which is such lazy, gaslighting, nonsense, a cliche' parroted answer to objective complaints, because there is no objectively logical, reasonable answer to defend him, to defend the indefensible, so they resort to gaslighting, projection, deflection, insults. etc.

AVGWarhawk

05-01-25, 01:52 PM

I had two friends who are from Germany call me on election night. Neither one know each other, one lives in Florida and one is in Germany. Both of them asked "What is wrong with your country?!" "How can so many people not see it?!" Complex answer but at the root of it is US has a severely undereducated adult population and both agreed, Americans are spoiled.

Apparently your friends did not see Harris as she truly is. An idiot. A party that is still lost after the election and will not find their way for a long time. Say what you will, the overwhelming majority rejected the democratic/progressive/socialist idea of utopia. Us spoiled Americans, how dare we.....

u crank

05-01-25, 03:11 PM

Apparently your friends did not see Harris as she truly is. An idiot. A party that is still lost after the election and will not find their way for a long time. Say what you will, the overwhelming majority rejected the democratic/progressive/socialist idea of utopia. Us spoiled Americans, how dare we.....

Very good point. In all the complaining about the current administration we never hear anyone bragging about the accomplishments of the last one. That is usually how elections are decided. If the Democrats had actually made life better they probably would occupy the White House. It is not rocket science.

VipertheSniper

05-01-25, 06:42 PM

Apparently your friends did not see Harris as she truly is. An idiot. A party that is still lost after the election and will not find their way for a long time. Say what you will, the overwhelming majority rejected the democratic/progressive/socialist idea of utopia. Us spoiled Americans, how dare we.....

And Trump is what? a stable genius? Also what utopia did the dems promise?
They promised "more of the same" which clearly wasn't the right choice, as is evident from the dems dismal approval ratings, I still don't think Harris would've shot the US economy in the foot needlessly as Trump has done. Also the "overwhelming" majority you speak of is about 30% of eligible voters. That's a far cry from an overwhelming majority.

Commander Wallace

05-01-25, 08:44 PM

People, who claim to love freedom, wave flags, talk about liberty etc. are supporting an objectively, provable neofascist demagogue and his regime of malevolent actors, who are actively, overtly breaking laws, infringing upon individual liberties such as due process, committing human rights violations, and other atrocities on a daily basis, but many (not all, as they are bleeding supporting heavily) remain hopelessly devoted to the orange buffoon.

I would very much like you to give us some examples of denial of due process. Further, please elaborate on these alleged atrocities you speak of. Really, any examples of the things you allege would be helpful in understanding your position. We all know that's not the case.

Otto Harkaman

05-01-25, 11:06 PM

Commander Wallace

05-01-25, 11:27 PM

:sign_yeah: Very well said, Otto. Hopefully, we can keep the momentum going so that we can see some real and positive change. :yep:

Bubblehead1980

05-01-25, 11:38 PM

I would very much like you to give us some examples of denial of due process. Further, please elaborate on these alleged atrocities you speak of. Really, any examples of the things you allege would be helpful in understanding your position. We all know that's not the case.

Respectfully, I believe you're being disingenuous. Well publicized what this regime is doing, even bordering on the burden of proof fallacy.

There are countless objectively provable cases of due process violations such as Kilmar Abrego Garcia and others who were deported without due process. This includes minor children recently, including one with cancer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g8yj2n33yo

As far atrocities:
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Marie Ange Blaise, a Haitian woman died after two months in ICE custody in Pompano Beach, FL. There were reports of other deaths.

https://www.aclufl.org/en/press-releases/three-deaths-ice-custody-just-over-month-trumps-presidency-marks-most-deaths-occur

The conditions is which these people are being transported and held are inhumane. There are reports of overcrowding, lack of access to water, toiletries, etc.

Sending people to that hellhole in El Salvador qualifies as an atrocity as well.

Now, what seem to be an emerging pattern of deaths in these facilities.

Ostfriese

05-01-25, 11:39 PM

I just think the always comparison to fascism is hilarious is a whole different situation, for one thing there aren't millions of WW1 veterans sitting around mad at the being governed by Jews.

That's an odd argument, most of all because this was neither the only nor the most important reason for the rise of facism.

Additionally:
- the veterans of WWI in Weimar Germany weren't a homogenous group (let alone united). Politically they were spread out across the entire spectrum. Monarchists, democrats, socialists, religious centrists, marxists, conservatives and followers of several right-wing wannabe-dictators, just to name a few.

- they weren't governed by Jews (it took years of propaganda to burn that lie into people's minds).
- the veterans were mad about other things, most importantly about having been close WWI-victory before they were stabbed in the back; about being undefeated in the field. Another lie, festered into fact by a lack of knowledge combined with the lie being told often enough.

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On another note: the elimination of the minimus rule (which allowed products with a total value of less than $800 to avoid tariffs) is actually the first idea that really has the potential to achieve what some people here want: getting rid of the cheap, crappy, possibly even dangerous products that flow into the country. Especially online sellers like Shein and Temu thrived thanks to this rule.
However, this will also require much more scrunity when checking the parcels, and much more personell at US Customs to do that job. Over here the limit for applying the minimis rule is set at €150, but still the amount of parcels is so overwhelmingly huge that most parcels simply pass customs unchecked.

Bubblehead1980

05-02-25, 12:18 AM

I just think the always comparison to fascism is hilarious its a whole different situation, for one thing there aren't millions of WW1 veterans sitting around mad at being governed by Jews.

I just don't understand the attacks, like is that suppose to make us change our minds? We only get to elect a POTUS every four years, and the DEMs lack any power at the moment to impeach him. So all this jibber jabber, talking for 25 hours nonstop, sitting on the capitol steps for hours or defending illegal aliens who have committed crimes here and in their own countries just is not going to get you the votes to change anything. Surprisingly I've had several people comment to me their dislike of all these Federal Judges stopping the POTUS's agenda.

Yeah you're mad at us for taking our country back, its going to be a long hard battle, but we will.

1.) Actually, Fascism is not exclusive to Germany, Hitler in 1930's and 40's. That was National Socialism (no, they were not socialists, it was essentially a marketing ploy to get working class votes of the time. Just in case try to pull the Nazis were socialists nonsense a lot of Trumpers do, I will elaborate if need be.) In layman's terms, not all fascists were/are nazis, but all nazis were fascists.

Hitler and Nazis were much campaigned on "Making Germany Great Again" in 1920's and appealed to working class , conservative germans of the time. I believe the rhetoric of the day was "Restoring Germany to its rightful place" or some nonsense like that.

Hitler, a fascist demagogue captured the support of working class Germans by exploited their anger over the economy and national decline, scapegoating jews. Trump and MAGA has done the same thing, scapegoating immigrants and "cultural marxists" (such nonsense) and basically anyone who isn't white or "christian" to gain their support. Trump appears to hate who a lot of the white, working class, lower to mid income people (especially mid aged to older white males) hate as well, blame for America's problems.

I actually voted for Trump in 2016, held my nose a bit but thought he was the enema the system needed. Aside from his obvious ties to Putin and Russia that came out, he revealed himself to be a corrupt, authoritarian rube, with fascist tendencies. I attended two rallies during that campaign, where he said he would not engage in the failed "trickle down" economics, but what was his only major policy "accomplishment" , idiotic tax cuts that benefitted wealthy and corporations, more trickle down, more deregulation. Then came George Floyd protests, COVID, his idiocy there, and then his lies about 2020 election and January 6th, revealing himself to be a fascist in the interim. I held off using the "F" word for a long time, but the objective evidence is overwhelming.

2.) Trump, his regime, MAGA, and GOP meet the objective criteria for neo-fascism in rhetoric, policies, actions. What is neo-fascism?

Neo-fascism is a post-World War II far-right ideology which includes significant elements of fascism; ultranationalism, ultraconservatism, corporatism, racial supremacy, right-wing populism, authoritarianism, nativism, xenophobia, and anti-immigration sentiment, as well as opposition to social democracy, parliamentarianism, socialism, liberalism, neoliberalism, and liberal democracy. Economic policies which are protectionism and autarky, hostility to free trade, engaging in trade wars.
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Also...

Aligning with neo-fascist regimes such as Putin, Orban while alienating our allies, another clear sign.

Repeatedly using fascist rhetoric referring to political opponents as "Vermin" , stating undocumented immigrants were "poisoning the blood of the nation", and referred to America as "the Reich." Hostility and attacks via rhetoric and now actions on the free press/media as well as education, colleges, universities intellectuals, educated is another sign of fascism. The list really does go on and on.

Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?,
" Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the
fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14
elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are
flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases
because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious
minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic
agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more
rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or
sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and
terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies
or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually
beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely
suppressed .

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other
academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even
forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use
governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and
even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even
assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media.
Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Trump meets everyone of these 14 characteristics in some objective manner.

https://osbcontent.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/PC-00466.pdf

Commander Wallace

05-02-25, 12:23 AM

Respectfully, I believe you're being disingenuous. Well publicized what this regime is doing, even bordering on the burden of proof fallacy.

There are countless objectively provable cases of due process violations such as Kilmar Abrego Garcia and others who were deported without due process. This includes minor children recently, including one with cancer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g8yj2n33yo

As far atrocities:
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Marie Ange Blaise, a Haitian woman died after two months in ICE custody in Pompano Beach, FL. There were reports of other deaths.

https://www.aclufl.org/en/press-releases/three-deaths-ice-custody-just-over-month-trumps-presidency-marks-most-deaths-occur

The conditions is which these people are being transported and held are inhumane. There are reports of overcrowding, lack of access to water, toiletries, etc.

Sending people to that hellhole in El Salvador qualifies as an atrocity as well.

Now, what seem to be an emerging pattern of deaths in these facilities.

Well, let's go through this then.

With regards to Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia. He was given Due process, repeatedly. He snuck back in repeatedly after being deported. Garcia never showed up for his Asylum hearings. He is a wife beater, Gangbanger and was involved in transporting other Illegals. Garcia has said if he returns to El Salvador, he will be killed by rival gangs. That says it all right there. His request for asylum is disingenuous and the material facts of his Asylum Application are and remain false.

As far as El Salvador, Garcia was shipped back to his Country of Origin. If his Country is in disarray, that isn't the problem of the U.S and It's Citizens and to be frank, we don't care. El Salvador has control over their own citizen. What El Salvador does is their business in their own Country.

By the way, did Laken Riley, Lizbeth Medina, Jocelyn Nungaray and Rachel Morin Have Due Process when they were raped and murdered by these pieces of garbage ? You may have felt differently if they were your Sisters, Mother, Wife or Girlfriend. We don't want them here, plain and simple.

Entering the U.S Illegally is a crime. Plain and simple.

You mention the crimes of the Trump Administration but you aren't providing specifics. As far as deporting Children, they came with their parents who are Illegals and we kept them together and deported them together. If you make things easy for Migrants, they will keep coming. We aren't interested in making them comfortable on the U.S taxpayers dime. In short, we in the U.S aren't responsible for them, financially or otherwise.

You seem to feel that the U.S Citizens and taxpayers should have to take care of these Migrants whether we like it or not. The vast majority of U.S Citizens feel differently and voted as such. Trump was elected President of the U.S precisely to stop that. You and the Democrats are in the Minority. If the Democrats continue with their stupidity in pursuing an agenda that's contrary to the Voting American Electorate, they will be voted out of Office. The Midterm Elections are little more than 18 months from now.

With regards to Due Process, the Migrants Illegally crossed into the U.S without wanting Due Process. But now, You are discussing Due process for the migrants on the way out. The Illegal Migrants number between 10-20 Million. This is nothing more than a stall tactic and smoke screen by the Democrats as it would take decades to do the checks. The President has the authority and backing of the American Electorate to remove the Migrants. And, removed they shall be.

1. I have a solution though. Deport ALL of the Illegals to their Countries of Origin

2. Once back home, they can apply like everyone else for Asylum in the U.S and be properly vetted. Gangbangers, criminals and pieces of garbage need not apply.

3. The Asylum seekers can be given a date to make their case for Asylum, on their dime, not the American taxpayer.

4. If their Asylum is approved, learn the English Language, Laws and Customs here and follow them. Do not bring any religious ties or affiliations that run contrary to the well being of the U.S. If their Asylum claims are not approved, they must leave immediately.

With regards to deaths in custody, do you know for a fact these Individuals didn't have underlying medical conditions which contributed to their demise ? Were there other factors beyond the control of the U.S ?

If the Migrants don't like the conditions or treatment they are receiving in the U.S, the solution is simple. Just don't come here.

Bubblehead1980

05-02-25, 12:34 AM

Yeah you're mad at us for taking our country back, its going to be a long hard battle, but we will.

Forgot to address this.

Taking "our" country back from whom exactly? lol

Woman? Minorities? Liberals? LOL sorry have to laugh at that ridiculous notion when I hear Reich wingers says it. I try not to judge, but wow, just wow. Germans were saying the same thing in 1920's and 1930's, blaming "jews" and other "undesirables" for Germany's "betrayal" and not focusing on the real issues, the real causes.

After nearly half a century of trickle down economics and mass deregulation, which was never fully reversed due to politics, we are living the long term, residual economic effects, which has pushed us into a Second Gilded Age. Trump is a proponent of anti-worker, anti-consumer, pro-corporate, pro-oligarch laws, policies, system.

There is not one thing that is going to help you "take your country" back lmao. Sorry, can't stop laughing at the nonsense.

I am going to suggest three things to tend open eyes, it's helped me get some people to understand, to have the lightbulb go off.

1. Please read;

https://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/0226511928

First published in 1955, They Thought They Were Free is an eloquent and provocative examination of the development of fascism in Germany. Mayer’s book is a study of ten Germans and their lives from 1933-45, based on interviews he conducted after the war when he lived in Germany. Mayer had a position as a research professor at the University of Frankfurt and lived in a nearby small Hessian town which he disguised with the name “Kronenberg.” “These ten men were not men of distinction,” Mayer noted, but they had been members of the Nazi Party; Mayer wanted to discover what had made them Nazis.

“What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.”--from Chapter 13, “But Then It Was Too Late”

2. Read "Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power." by Noam Chomsky

I suggest both book and the documentary narrated by Chomsky himself, but the documentary is excellent. Link below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZnuc-Fv_Tc

3."The Brainwashing of my Dad"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS52QdHNTh8

AVGWarhawk

05-02-25, 07:14 AM

Forgot to address this.

Taking "our" country back from whom exactly? lol

I hear Reich wingers says it. I try not to judge,

But you do in the previous sentence. :doh:

August

05-02-25, 08:03 AM

But then I do in the previous sentence. :doh:

It's amazing how obtuse Democrats can be. Maybe that's one reason their party is polling so far down in the dumps.

AVGWarhawk

05-02-25, 08:11 AM

It's amazing how obtuse Democrats can be. Maybe that's one reason their party is polling so far down in the dumps.

The democratic stalwart crew of getting the party back on track is AOC and Bernie Sanders. Socialists at their finest.

Commander Wallace

05-02-25, 08:50 AM

The democratic stalwart crew of getting the party back on track is AOC and Bernie Sanders. Socialists at their finest.

Look at it this way, the worst thing you can do is to tell your enemies or opponents they are making mistakes. I hope AOC and or Bernie do run. AOC is the very face of the Migrant Crisis we have now.

August

05-02-25, 08:55 AM

The democratic stalwart crew of getting the party back on track is AOC and Bernie Sanders. Socialists at their finest.

Remember when the little commies were gleefully prognosticating the imminent demise of the GoP? :) Now the Democrats, the "Party of the Future" is about as popular as a colonoscopy without anesthesia and if these two rubes are the face of the party going forward I see little chance they will ever improve.

AVGWarhawk

05-02-25, 08:56 AM

Look at it this way, the worst thing you can do is to tell your enemies or opponents they are making mistakes. I hope AOC and or Bernie do run. AOC is the very face of the Migrant Crisis we have now.

The party is truly lost and having an identity crisis. Democratic Socialist Progressive party. But Bernie is sorry he owns 3 homes.

AVGWarhawk

05-02-25, 08:58 AM

Remember when the little commies were gleefully prognosticating the imminent demise of the GoP? :) Now the Democrats, the "Party of the Future" is about as popular as a colonoscopy without anesthesia and if these two rubes are the face of the party going forward I see little chance they will ever improve.

They are definitely in disarray.

Jimbuna

05-02-25, 09:58 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/MpYRyBv6/IMG-4785.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Mnvvwv7N)

Strike two.

Bubblehead1980

05-02-25, 10:25 AM

But you do in the previous sentence. :doh:

Lol I said I TRY not to, but it is difficult not to judge such people.

Bubblehead1980

05-02-25, 10:38 AM

It's amazing how obtuse Democrats can be. Maybe that's one reason their party is polling so far down in the dumps.

Actually not a Democrat. I am an independent and on the objective spectrum, are centrist, with "right" and "left" of center leanings. I have my issues with Dem party, but they can be worked with, especially with new generation of leadership about to take the reigns.

The GOP is beyond repair thought, it cannot be worked with, it's the party of neofascism, white supremacy, etc. and an existential threat to the country and world as large, especially with this regime. Using right wing populism of portion of petit bourgeois and working class people primarily (especially men) under the mindless banner of "Make American Great Again. going on this regime's "If it ain't white it ain't right" policies, it's a big dog whistle for Make America White Again. Mixed in with "christian" nationalism, New Apostolic Reformation i.e. religious fascism.

Lol you all keep parroting that poll on democrats as if it validates what the regime is doing, it does not. Reminds me of the objectively false claims of a "mandate". 1.6 percent and 86 electoral votes is by no realistic, objective measure a "mandate" lol. May want to see Trump Regime's objective numbers he's freaking out about.

Bubblehead1980

05-02-25, 11:10 AM

Well, let's go through this then.

With regards to Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia. He was given Due process, repeatedly. He snuck back in repeatedly after being deported. Garcia never showed up for his Asylum hearings. He is a wife beater, Gangbanger and was involved in transporting other Illegals. Garcia has said if he returns to El Salvador, he will be killed by rival gangs. That says it all right there. His request for asylum is disingenuous and the material facts of his Asylum Application are and remain false.

As far as El Salvador, Garcia was shipped back to his Country of Origin. If his Country is in disarray, that isn't the problem of the U.S and It's Citizens and to be frank, we don't care. El Salvador has control over their own citizen. What El Salvador does is their business in their own Country.

By the way, did Laken Riley, Lizbeth Medina, Jocelyn Nungaray and Rachel Morin Have Due Process when they were raped and murdered by these pieces of garbage ? You may have felt differently if they were your Sisters, Mother, Wife or Girlfriend. We don't want them here, plain and simple.

Entering the U.S Illegally is a crime. Plain and simple.

You mention the crimes of the Trump Administration but you aren't providing specifics. As far as deporting Children, they came with their parents who are Illegals and we kept them together and deported them together. If you make things easy for Migrants, they will keep coming. We aren't interested in making them comfortable on the U.S taxpayers dime. In short, we in the U.S aren't responsible for them, financially or otherwise.

You seem to feel that the U.S Citizens and taxpayers should have to take care of these Migrants whether we like it or not. The vast majority of U.S Citizens feel differently and voted as such. Trump was elected President of the U.S precisely to stop that. You and the Democrats are in the Minority. If the Democrats continue with their stupidity in pursuing an agenda that's contrary to the Voting American Electorate, they will be voted out of Office. The Midterm Elections are little more than 18 months from now.

With regards to Due Process, the Migrants Illegally crossed into the U.S without wanting Due Process. But now, You are discussing Due process for the migrants on the way out. The Illegal Migrants number between 10-20 Million. This is nothing more than a stall tactic and smoke screen by the Democrats as it would take decades to do the checks. The President has the authority and backing of the American Electorate to remove the Migrants. And, removed they shall be.

1. I have a solution though. Deport ALL of the Illegals to their Countries of Origin

2. Once back home, they can apply like everyone else for Asylum in the U.S and be properly vetted. Gangbangers, criminals and pieces of garbage need not apply.

3. The Asylum seekers can be given a date to make their case for Asylum, on their dime, not the American taxpayer.

4. If their Asylum is approved, learn the English Language, Laws and Customs here and follow them. Do not bring any religious ties or affiliations that run contrary to the well being of the U.S. If their Asylum claims are not approved, they must leave immediately.

With regards to deaths in custody, do you know for a fact these Individuals didn't have underlying medical conditions which contributed to their demise ? Were there other factors beyond the control of the U.S ?

If the Migrants don't like the conditions or treatment they are receiving in the U.S, the solution is simple. Just don't come here.

Lol Oh goddddd, have to love the deflection tactics from the reich wing to defend the objectively indefensible actions of this regime.

Like most, I am for immigration enforcement, but they have as I knew they would, as it was spelled out in Project 2025 basically, just went full on fascist and using it as a pretext for other agenda items. Targeting students for example, such as Columbia Graduate Student Rumeysa Ozturk, who's kidnapping off the street by plainclothes, masked ICE Agents was captured on Ring. Her crime? She wrote an op-ed a year ago against the genocide in Israel. This regime false claims she was supporting Hamas.

Oh get real, IF this was about controlling illegal immigration, the regime would go after the illness, not the symptom. The illness is corporations who employ these people, who actively lure them here so they can exploit them for cheap labor. If Trump Regime focused it's crack down on them, the demand would dry up, the supply for dry up. They won't do that though,
because these corporations are their donors and they have zero interest in actually solving the problem, so instead they just blame the exploited victims, under the false narrative of an "invasion" of roaming gangs of MS-13 etc. Just sort of thing designed to exploit fear.

At the core of this regime, the GOP, right wing in general is white supremacy, racism, it's reflected in their policies and rhetoric and this is more or less, cruel performative politics. Red meat for racist, xenophobic masses, who have been propagandized to believe poor, brown people, the "others" are the problem when they are the symptom. Quite a terrible, cynical thing, manipulating the ugly streak of nativism, xenophobia, racism, and general bigotry that was lying below surface of the US population. We've seen this movie before in mid to late 19th and early 20th centuries but it was towards the immigrants of the day; Irish and other Europeans, and Chinese out west.

This plays on the mass fear among a large portion of US population, namely mid aged to older, white, working class (especially men) of becoming a minority in near future. The perception of "losing the country" and "taking our country back" nonsense have made a lot of people willing to tolerate abuses of "the others."

I'll just say that many people caught up in the fervor, having their worse bigoted impulses enabled, seemingly validated by this demagogue and his regime, have revealed a lot of ugly traits about many people in the USA. This regime won't last forever, especially judging by it's hemorrhaging of popular support, terrible poll numbers 100 days in, and once are gone, going to have a lot of people who are remembered as fascist inclined, racist, xenophobes who were complicit in some awful things.

AVGWarhawk

05-02-25, 11:14 AM

Oh get real, IF this was about controlling illegal immigration, the regime would go after the illness, not the symptom. The illness is corporations who employ these people, who actively lure them here so they can exploit them for cheap labor. If Trump Regime focused it's crack down on them, the demand would dry up, the supply for dry up. They won't do that though,
because these corporations are their donors and they have zero interest in actually solving the problem, so instead they just blame the exploited victims, under the false narrative of an "invasion" of roaming gangs of MS-13 etc. Just sort of thing designed to exploit fear.

They have gone after business that hire illegals. This was done years ago. It is up the states to check the business's.

The polls, don't trust them during the election season. Don't trust them after the election season.

MS-13, just because they are not in your hood does not mean they are not in another hood. Are they roaming? Well no, they are taking over city blocks and or entire hotels/appartment buildings.

(NewsNation) — The violence brought on by the notorious Salvadoran gang MS-13 has left a deep mark in Suffolk County, New York, where District Attorney Raymond Tierney has led the prosecution of dozens of violent cases during his tenure as a federal prosecutor in the Eastern District.

“I prosecuted approximately 67 murders that occurred on Long Island, which were alleged to have been committed by the MS-13,” Tierney said.

Earlier this year, the U.S. State Department designated MS-13 as a terrorist organization. The gang, also known as Mara Salvatrucha, was created by Salvadoran immigrants in the U.S. before it gained traction in Central America, according to officials.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/suffolk-county-ms-13-gang-members/

Fear mongering. This is just one city, county or town of many that MS-13 has been an issue. They do not commit parking or speeding violations.

MS-13 has been around since the 1980s and a growing problem since then. There is much more information on the net then one can read in a life time.

But to dispel any idea of fear mongering, don't read any of it.

August

05-02-25, 01:33 PM

The GOP... it's the party of neofascism, white supremacy, etc..

That's not even remotely true. It's just another hateful bull feces Democrat party talking point which they repeatedly use to try and marginalize their political opposition. Your constant and eager parroting of the party lines gives lie to your claim to be an independent. Ha. You're as independent as Bernie Sanders.

And BTW stop calling people in this thread nazis. Nobody here belongs to a "reich wing" whatever that means.

Buddahaid

05-02-25, 01:34 PM

AVGWarhawk

05-02-25, 01:38 PM

That's not even remotely true. It's just another hateful bull feces Democrat party talking point which they repeatedly use to try and marginalize their political opposition. Your constant and eager parroting of the party lines gives lie to your claim to be an independent. Ha. You're as independent as Bernie Sanders.

And BTW stop calling people in this thread nazis. Nobody here belongs to a "reich wing" whatever that means.

It seems calling those in opposition a Nazi or Reich wing is a go to. Are there extremists? Certainly. In politics, religion and the like there are always extremists.

AVGWarhawk

05-02-25, 01:39 PM

And August never labels all Democrats as commies, etc. :haha:

I like to refer to Democrats as lunatics. :up:

August

05-02-25, 02:25 PM

It seems calling those in opposition a Nazi or Reich wing is a go to.

That's because Democrats have no vision for making the nation better, let alone great again. They're fine with letting millions of illegal aliens, gang members and terrorists steam into our country and live here on the taxpayers dime murdering, robbing and raping Americans They're fine with supporting endless globalist wars and lining their pockets with trillions of dollars by calling it "USAid" but that's difficult to defend so they call everyone who objects to it a nazi hoping that enough of the electorate will buy that crap and vote to keep them in power. Except this last election it didn't work.

They hate the fact that in spite of all the names they called Trump, the lies they told and the lawfare they inflicted upon him the nation still chose him over them and they just can't deal with it so they are reduced to making ridiculous accusations and running around damaging and torching Teslas.

I don't particularly like Trump for much except that he continues to piss off all the right people and that alone is worth putting him back into office.

Commander Wallace

05-02-25, 04:41 PM

Lol Oh goddddd, have to love the deflection tactics from the reich wing to defend the objectively indefensible actions of this regime.

Like most, I am for immigration enforcement, but they have as I knew they would, as it was spelled out in Project 2025 basically, just went full on fascist and using it as a pretext for other agenda items. Targeting students for example, such as Columbia Graduate Student Rumeysa Ozturk, who's kidnapping off the street by plainclothes, masked ICE Agents was captured on Ring. Her crime? She wrote an op-ed a year ago against the genocide in Israel. This regime false claims she was supporting Hamas.

Oh get real, IF this was about controlling illegal immigration, the regime would go after the illness, not the symptom. The illness is corporations who employ these people, who actively lure them here so they can exploit them for cheap labor. If Trump Regime focused it's crack down on them, the demand would dry up, the supply for dry up. They won't do that though,
because these corporations are their donors and they have zero interest in actually solving the problem, so instead they just blame the exploited victims, under the false narrative of an "invasion" of roaming gangs of MS-13 etc. Just sort of thing designed to exploit fear.

At the core of this regime, the GOP, right wing in general is white supremacy, racism, it's reflected in their policies and rhetoric and this is more or less, cruel performative politics. Red meat for racist, xenophobic masses, who have been propagandized to believe poor, brown people, the "others" are the problem when they are the symptom. Quite a terrible, cynical thing, manipulating the ugly streak of nativism, xenophobia, racism, and general bigotry that was lying below surface of the US population. We've seen this movie before in mid to late 19th and early 20th centuries but it was towards the immigrants of the day; Irish and other Europeans, and Chinese out west.

This plays on the mass fear among a large portion of US population, namely mid aged to older, white, working class (especially men) of becoming a minority in near future. The perception of "losing the country" and "taking our country back" nonsense have made a lot of people willing to tolerate abuses of "the others."

I'll just say that many people caught up in the fervor, having their worse bigoted impulses enabled, seemingly validated by this demagogue and his regime, have revealed a lot of ugly traits about many people in the USA. This regime won't last forever, especially judging by it's hemorrhaging of popular support, terrible poll numbers 100 days in, and once are gone, going to have a lot of people who are remembered as fascist inclined, racist, xenophobes who were complicit in some awful things.

reich wing ? You can't do any better than that ? How do you figure this is a deflection Tactic ? You're so full of it.

The vast majority of the American Public want law and order and aren't interested in Paying for these Migrants. We voted and you lost. That's it. Get over it. If you like them so much, move to Mexico, Venezuela, El Salvador or wherever your Migrant buddies are. I noticed you have no proof whatsoever of your accusations. Your words and actions are not those of someone who wants Immigration reform. I have to wonder how you would feel if family members of yours had been slaughtered by these pieces of garbage.

In your little bubble that the Democrats occupy, the Republicans are all racist and bigots. We are so tired of hearing this same tired message from the Democrats. The Democrats sought to Import Voters over American Citizens to further their agenda. The American People recognized that and took action with their votes. Again, you and your buddies are in the minority. A minority that will continue to shrink in it's popularity and standings. You and your party are as popular as a Venereal Disease.

The Republicans aren't racists but simply want the law of the land followed and don't want to financially support the world. Screw that.

By the way, have you ever served in Uniform ? I know you haven't

When the Migrants Illegally crossed the borders of the U.S, they became criminals. Deporting these migrants is preferable for them than the alternative. If people decide that their families and communities are in danger from Invaders, which they are, this could easily turn into a bloodbath if Americans take Independent action. Who could stop a unified response like that from an armed and angry American Population ?

If action would be taken against those defending their families, we could easily slide into a Civil war, Revolt and or Revolution, making a bad situation worse. Things like that tend to happen when Elected Officials like the Democrats tend to dictate to their Constituents and act against their wishes, best interests and place their loved ones in danger. If that would happen, you better run and hide. Because at that point, there would be no court system. Justice would be swift against those perceived as Traitors. People can easily see a scenario like that happening if things continue to deteriorate along current lines....

I listed a perfectly logical process for Immigration. You never mentioned that either. Everything you have said is baseless rhetoric and propaganda. I'm sure we don't have to wonder why. You're a bleeding heart, liberal Democratic Party Socialist. End of story. Good luck with that.

Edit:

Lol Oh goddddd, have to love the deflection tactics from the reich wing to defend the objectively indefensible actions of this regime.

At the core of this regime, the GOP, right wing in general is white supremacy, racism, it's reflected in their policies and rhetoric and this is more or less, cruel performative politics. Red meat for racist, xenophobic masses, who have been propagandized to believe poor, brown people, the "others" are the problem when they are the symptom. Quite a terrible, cynical thing, manipulating the ugly streak of nativism, xenophobia, racism, and general bigotry that was lying below surface of the US population. We've seen this movie before in mid to late 19th and early 20th centuries but it was towards the immigrants of the day; Irish and other Europeans, and Chinese out west.

Your Comments are Racist which isn't allowed here. Others have been warned against the same thing.. Calling people Nazi's and saying we are bigoted against Brown people is pathetic.

Commander Wallace

05-02-25, 08:47 PM

Bubblehead1980

05-02-25, 10:28 PM

reich wing ? You can't do any better than that ? How do you figure this is a deflection Tactic ? You're so full of it.

The vast majority of the American Public want law and order and aren't interested in Paying for these Migrants. We voted and you lost. That's it. Get over it. If you like them so much, move to Mexico, Venezuela, El Salvador or wherever your Migrant buddies are. I noticed you have no proof whatsoever of your accusations. Your words and actions are not those of someone who wants Immigration reform. I have to wonder how you would feel if family members of yours had been slaughtered by these pieces of garbage.

In your little bubble that the Democrats occupy, the Republicans are all racist and bigots. We are so tired of hearing this same tired message from the Democrats. The Democrats sought to Import Voters over American Citizens to further their agenda. The American People recognized that and took action with their votes. Again, you and your buddies are in the minority. A minority that will continue to shrink in it's popularity and standings. You and your party are as popular as a Venereal Disease.

The Republicans aren't racists but simply want the law of the land followed and don't want to financially support the world. Screw that.

By the way, have you ever served in Uniform ? I know you haven't

When the Migrants Illegally crossed the borders of the U.S, they became criminals. Deporting these migrants is preferable for them than the alternative. If people decide that their families and communities are in danger from Invaders, which they are, this could easily turn into a bloodbath if Americans take Independent action. Who could stop a unified response like that from an armed and angry American Population ?

If action would be taken against those defending their families, we could easily slide into a Civil war, Revolt and or Revolution, making a bad situation worse. Things like that tend to happen when Elected Officials like the Democrats tend to dictate to their Constituents and act against their wishes, best interests and place their loved ones in danger. If that would happen, you better run and hide. Because at that point, there would be no court system. Justice would be swift against those perceived as Traitors. People can easily see a scenario like that happening if things continue to deteriorate along current lines....

I listed a perfectly logical process for Immigration. You never mentioned that either. Everything you have said is baseless rhetoric and propaganda. I'm sure we don't have to wonder why. You're a bleeding heart, liberal Democratic Party Socialist. End of story. Good luck with that.

Edit:

Your Comments are Racist which isn't allowed here. Others have been warned against the same thing.. Calling people Nazi's and saying we are bigoted against Brown people is pathetic.

Haha wow, so much fallacy, cognitive dissonance, projection, transference, deflection (the lifeblood of your ideology) it is difficult to decide where to begin lol.

First,

My comments were not racist, just stop. Don't attempt to play the victim , because you're defensive over discussion of Trump Regime and GOP's fascism, racism, etc.

I did not say nazi, I said fascism, specifically talking about neofascism. Something to learn is that all nazis are fascist but not all fascists are nazis. Pretty basic political science and history, please learn. Thanks.

P.S. If you don't understand this, using words like "liberal" and "socialist" , pretty sure you don't get that either. I love it when I hear some rube use it and on spot ask them to define socialism, they NEVER can. Quite hilarious, yet sad.

I was describing the ideology of at the core of Trumpism (Trump Fascism) and that is racism, xenophobia, nativism. Right wing propaganda has dehumanized, scapegoated , these people for decades to the point that you all do not see them as humans, but "others." Thus, it is permissible to do such things to others, but even now ignoring what has happened to US citizens such as the US citizen minor suffering from cancer, deported without due process, or the man in Florida a couple weeks ago who was detained for no crime, simply being not white.

Turns out Juan Carlos Gomez Lopez was a natural born US citizen, his mother brought his birth certificate to a hearing but he still was not realized because ICE was holding him, despite evidence. They finally released him after much outrage from public.

Why did it happen? Because he "looked" illegal.

Please stop pretending the regime has some mandate lmao. They won by 1.6 percent and 86 votes, that is no way a mandate and judging by how quickly his support has tanked. Sure he has the cult of personality types, but he is hemorrhaging support from regular people who gave him a chance and even some who were pretty dedicated, as evidenced by a pattern of events.

Independent, objective polling data says so but then have special elections for courts in WI and NC, democrats won. Special elections where my home county, which Trump won by 18 points in November, went to the democrat by 3 points on April 1st special election. Yes, the Trumpist stooge won the seat ultimately, but losing such a place, along with others losses across country is strong objective evidence.

This caught my attention: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-s-approval-rating-collapses-with-rural-americans/ar-AA1E3sgo?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=f941a8bd2eb044f9bdfe33a5b5bd83ab&ei=17

Courts, judges who favor Trump are ruling against him. Even noticed Fox News breaking ranks a few times because the Trump Regime is a threat to all of us. This is not about right, left, etc. but about the majority of people vs oligarchic fascists and now the government the outright control.

I can tell you likely consider yourself a patriot, really need to try some introspection, because supporting a fascist regime's policies, human rights violations, is not actual patriotism.

I absolutely want immigration reform, real, substantive, human, legal, non-fascist reform. That is what we all should want, but because their motives are not about immigration or rule of law, but objectively provable racial, xenophobic motivations, and their methods thus far have been awful and fascist (ICE in masks, not identifying themselves, snatching people off street)

I will actually give (if in fact true) Trump credit for apparently bringing down illegal border crossings, but not worth the horrors people are enduring otherwise.

Commander Wallace

05-02-25, 10:40 PM

Haha wow, so much fallacy, cognitive dissonance, projection, transference, deflection (the lifeblood of your ideology) it is difficult to decide where to begin lol.

First,

My comments were not racist, just stop. Don't attempt to play the victim , because you're defensive over discussion of Trump Regime and GOP's fascism, racism, etc.

I did not say nazi, I said fascism, specifically talking about neofascism. Something to learn is that all nazis are fascist but not all fascists are nazis. Pretty basic political science and history, please learn. Thanks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2955580#post2955580)
Lol Oh goddddd, have to love the deflection tactics from the reich wing to defend the objectively indefensible actions of this regime.

At the core of this regime, the GOP, right wing in general is white supremacy, racism, it's reflected in their policies and rhetoric and this is more or less, cruel performative politics. Red meat for racist, xenophobic masses, who have been propagandized to believe poor, brown people, the "others" are the problem when they are the symptom. Quite a terrible, cynical thing, manipulating the ugly streak of nativism, xenophobia, racism, and general bigotry that was lying below surface of the US population. We've seen this movie before in mid to late 19th and early 20th centuries but it was towards the immigrants of the day; Irish and other Europeans, and Chinese out west.

Your Comments were racist when you mentioned Reich wing, a direct reference to Nazi Germany. You also made Comments regarding brown people. I will let the Administration make that determination. Apparently, you think people are stupid in not viewing your comments in their entirety.

Bubblehead1980

05-02-25, 11:06 PM

Well folks, here we go again.

2 Illegal Migrants in North Carolina Kidnapped a mom and her 11 month daughter and attempted to extort one million dollars from the Father.

Quote: Paola Duran Duran, 25, and Miguel Angel Duran Duran, 23, are both charged with two counts of first-degree kidnapping (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/crime) and one count of second-degree kidnapping. Authorities are pursuing a third suspect, Eleodoro "Leo" Estrada-Hernandez, who is still at large.

The suspects allegedly broke into the Garner, North Carolina, home on Monday armed with guns and demanded $1 million from the victim's husband.
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/05/1200/675/duran-duran.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Paola Duran Duran, 25, and Miguel Angel Duran Duran, 23, are both charged with two counts of first-degree kidnapping and one count of second-degree kidnapping. A third suspect is still at large. (Garner PD)

The two victims were safely recovered on Tuesday after a Wake Forest resident (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/southeast/north-carolina) reported that a woman with a baby came to her home seeking help, WNCN reported, citing police.
"In less than 24 hours, through incredible collaborative investigative efforts, the Garner Police Department charged and arrested two people in connection to the kidnapping. The subjects below are being held in the Wake County Detention Center," the Garner.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nc-illegal-immigrants-kidnap-mom-daughter-gunpoint-fbi-manhunt-ensues-3rd-suspect-police

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/woman-man-arrested-in-armed-kidnapping-of-nc-mom-baby-suspects-demanded-1-million-from-dad-police-say/ar-AA1DUP7I

https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/wake-county-news/wife-daughter-kidnapped-from-garner-home-as-break-in-suspects-demand-1-million-police-say/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-2-arrested-kidnapping-nc-115105077.html

Authorities are pursuing a third suspect, Eleodoro "Leo" Estrada-Hernandez, who is still at large. I hope the piece of Garbage Estrada is shot on sight. Save the taxpayers a few dollars.

In spite of all the mounting evidence, Bubblehead 1980 and many others, feel that the Majority of those wanting these criminal Migrants out of the U.S are Bigots, Racists and Nazi's. The stupidity of some are endless. Maybe someday they will wake up and smell the Coffee.

Ah, yes. Anecdotal examples vs. objective evidence; A favorite of fascists.

Fact:

6. “Immigrants are a major source of crime.”

This applies to undocumented immigrants*

This myth has been around for over a century. It wasn’t true in 1896, 1909, 1931, 1994, or more recently. Immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated for violent and property crimes and cities with more immigrants and their descendants are more peaceful. Some immigrants do commit violent and property crimes but, overall, they are less likely to do so.

The most contentious debate concerns whether illegal immigrants are more likely to be criminals than natives or legal immigrants. A recent finding on this issue shows that illegal immigration is not correlated with violent crime rates nor is it causal. Data limitations on the federal government force researchers to estimate the incarcerated illegal immigrant population using the residual estimation method which finds that illegal immigrants are much less likely to be incarcerated than native-born Americans but more likely than legal immigrants. The state of Texas actually recorded arrests and convictions for specific crimes by the immigration status of the arrestee and convict. In 2015 in Texas, there were 1,794 convictions against natives per 100,000 natives, 782 convictions of illegal immigrants for every 100,000 illegal immigrants, and only 262 convictions of legal immigrants per 100,000 of them. For all but four crimes that accounted for 0.18 percent of all criminal convictions in Texas in 2015, there were fewer convictions against illegal immigrant than against natives. The year 2016 shows even lower criminal conviction rates for illegal immigrants relative to natives in Texas.

https://www.cato.org/blog/14-most-common-arguments-against-immigration-why-theyre-wrong?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADusmudBz4iwePByeLb67h5tkDDL2&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2tHABhCiARIsANZzDWrbYAwVOOODShULX8vt duWZdK-mVnWAXtkxsyWhLSq9LFBcNxCazhwaAmAnEALw_wcB

Few years ago, I worked on an article with some colleagues on Capital Punishment, which involved in depth research, directed study, peer review. This provided an opportunity to look into the immigrant crime issue (alleged) especially as pertains to violent crime. Newsflash; it's not some epidemic. Not then, not now. This has been a manufactured crisis to exploit the underlying racism, xenophobia, nativism, in Americans, activated by fear. People do and will allow horrible things when afraid, as history has shown us.

Sad to say, there was a time I bought into it somewhat, but objective evidence and facts changed my mind. In fact, my girlfriend and I at the time were in a motor vehicle collision with an undocumented immigrant who hit us and I harbored some ugly feelings for a while. I came to realize though, it was a symptom, not the illness. Blaming poor people who are lured here to work accomplishes nothing.

I cited CATO because CATO is pretty conservative but generally, honest, factual. I could cite numerous others, but you seem the type to call anything you perceive as *liberal* to be biased etc.

Call me a "bleeding heart liberal" (empathy is positive thing to have and proud, not negative) or use words you don't seem to understand like liberal or socialist. That does not change objective facts and evidence. Fact is, I am an independent, I hold center right and center left views. I am absolutely anti-facist though, just as would be anti-communist (if they were an actual threat) I am going to leave you with some great quotes on liberals and facts.

“If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.”

―John F. Kennedy, Profiles in Courage

"What did Liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party, Senator? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended Segregation, Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Liberals created Medicare, Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did the Conservatives do? They opposed every one of those programs. *Every One.* So when you try to hurl that word 'liberal' at my feet as if it were something dirty, something to run away from, something that I should be ashamed of, it won't work, Senator. Because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."

While quote from a fictional character on The West Wing, quote applicable then and now.

That is why Conservatives/Fascists HATE Liberals etc.

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”-John Adams

Reece

05-03-25, 12:50 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/MpYRyBv6/IMG-4785.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Mnvvwv7N)

Strike two.

I don't think you're getting through Jim!! :oops::doh::hmmm:

Bubblehead1980

05-03-25, 12:53 AM

I don't think you're getting through Jim!! :oops::doh::hmmm:

Lol oh he did. I'm done. I do enjoy reading other peoples uhhhh "perspectives" I suppose can call them. Important to make sure one is not in an echo chamber.

Otto Harkaman

05-03-25, 01:04 AM

Will tariffs have any effect on the 151st Kentucky Derby 5-3-2025?
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Derby-151-artwork-PRINT-credit-Tyler-Robertson.jpg
Below is an analysis of how recent U.S. import tariffs and related trade‐policy uncertainty may—and may not—affect the running of the 151st Kentucky Derby on May 3, 2025.
Despite headline-grabbing pauses to multi-year expansion plans at Churchill Downs, the Derby itself is expected to proceed unchanged in its existing facilities. Tariffs have primarily influenced long-term capital projects, with only modest indirect ripple effects on the event’s economics and international participants.

1. Paused Construction Projects

1.1 Nearly $1 Billion Expansion on Hold
Churchill Downs Inc. announced in late April 2025 that it was postponing a $920 million–$1 billion multi-year renovation—intended to add new grandstands and premium structures—citing “increasing uncertainty surrounding construction costs related to tariff and trade disputes” under the Trump administration’s steel and aluminum levies Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/kentucky-derby-runs-tomorrow-planned-1b-revamp-churchill-downs-hold?utm_source=chatgpt.com)Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2025/04/25/920-million-kentucky-derby-renovation-paused-over-tariff-concerns-unquantifiable-costs/?utm_source=chatgpt.com).
The company echoed this in filings and press releases, noting that unpredictable material-price increases driven by tariffs made it impossible to quantify project costs with confidence, leading to a temporary hold on all major capital outlays beyond a few smaller suite renovations slated for 2026 Engineering News-Record (https://www.enr.com/articles/60679-citing-tariffs-churchill-downs-pauses-900m-in-racetrack-construction-projects?utm_source=chatgpt.com)ConstructConnect (https://www.constructconnect.com/construction-economic-news/churchill-downs-pauses-920-million-expansion-on-cost-uncertainty?utm_source=chatgpt.com).
Bloomberg reported that shares of Churchill Downs Inc. dipped sharply on this news, reflecting investor concern that prolonged trade-policy uncertainty could delay revenue-accretive improvements to the famed racetrack Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-24/churchill-downs-tumbles-as-tariff-angst-delays-derby-projects?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

1.2 Impact on 151st Derby Facilities
Although the large-scale expansion is paused, Churchill Downs will still host the 151st Derby in its current configuration, using existing seating and hospitality areas. No construction delays will displace or restrict fans for the May 3 event Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_Downs?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

2. Broader Economic and Demand Effects

2.1 Ticket Demand Trends
Churchill Downs’ CEO has remarked on a slight softening in premium ticket demand over recent weeks, a trend he correlates with heightened trade-war anxieties and macroeconomic concerns rather than a direct operational issue with the Derby itself Yahoo Finance (https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/churchill-ceo-says-demand-kentucky-165039374.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com).
However, overall Derby week attendance and handle projections remain robust, buoyed by long-standing traditions and the global appeal of “the most exciting two minutes in sports” MarketWatch (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-best-kentucky-derby-bet-may-actually-be-investing-in-churchill-downs-06e50526?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

3. Effect on International Equine Participants

3.1 Tariffs on Imported Horses
Under current tariff schedules, imported thoroughbreds might technically face duties based on their declared sale price, though the National Thoroughbred Racing Association has lobbied for exemptions for horses imported to race TDN (https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/will-tariffs-impact-japanese-participants-in-the-derby/?utm_source=chatgpt.com).
Industry experts note that, in practice, customs officials have treated high-value racehorses more like specialized livestock than commercial imports, and so far connections shipping horses from Japan, the UAE, and Europe have seen minimal friction TDN (https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/will-tariffs-impact-japanese-participants-in-the-derby/?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

3.2 Likely Minimal Disruption
Given the established logistics channels for shipping elite racehorses and the NTRA’s advocacy, it is unlikely that tariffs will deter international trainers and owners from sending top contenders to Louisville TDN (https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/will-tariffs-impact-japanese-participants-in-the-derby/?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

4. Other Supply-Chain Considerations

Feedstuffs such as corn and alfalfa used in racehorse diets are overwhelmingly domestically produced, insulating stables from import-duty pressures. Likewise, hospitality offerings (e.g., bourbon for the Mint Julep) rely on U.S. distillers, so consumer-facing elements remain tariff-neutral Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_Downs?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

5. Conclusion

No direct impact on the May 3, 2025 race itself: All running operations, seating, and fan experiences will proceed using existing facilities.
Long-term capital projects delayed: Nearly $1 billion in new construction has been put on hold pending clearer cost forecasts.
Modest economic ripples: Slight softness in premium ticket demand and investor jitters around the paused expansions reflect tariff-driven uncertainty, not race-day logistics.
International participation unaffected: Horse imports continue under special-livestock considerations, with no material barriers reported.

In sum, U.S. import tariffs have tangibly delayed future track improvements and introduced some economic headwinds, but they will not alter the staging or spectacle of the 151st Kentucky Derby on May 3, 2025.

Catfish

05-03-25, 05:02 AM

So is this true??

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz03gjnxe25o

Skybird

05-03-25, 05:15 AM

https://quadro.burda-forward.de/ctf/a2573d0b-8ab3-43d7-a94e-25b3a087e564.6db3ad5c-26e2-43e1-bf42-89f4ab03074f.png?im=RegionOfInterestCrop%3D%28581% 2C720%29%2CregionOfInterest%3D%28594%2C572%29&hash=db2a2cc725c1485b5864c2ae07b66690726a1d44c0793 0da5c8f69432877254d

AVGWarhawk

05-03-25, 05:47 AM

So is this true??

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz03gjnxe25o

No

Website Content Update
3/19/2025
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We want to clarify that no service members have been permanently removed from the “Notable Graves” section of our website. These pages highlight stories of historically significant individuals with accuracy and in commemoration of their service and sacrifice. All profiles of individuals from the previously listed categories “African American History,” “Hispanic American History” and “Women’s History” can be found in other categories, such as “Prominent Military Figures,” “Politics and Government," or "Science, Technology and Engineering" (to name a few examples), based on the person’s historical contributions to our nation.

All Notable Graves profiles can be found here: Arlington National Cemetery > Explore > Notable Graves.

Buddahaid

05-03-25, 09:52 AM

Federal Judge Beryl Howell has ordered a permanent injunction finding summary judgement against Trump's Executive Order 14230. I have doubts this will even get accepted by an appeals court.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/beryl-howell-perkins-coie-summary-judgment-opinion.pdf

"MEMORANDUM OPINION
No American President has ever before issued executive orders like the one at issue in this
lawsuit targeting a prominent law firm with adverse actions to be executed by all Executive branch
agencies but, in purpose and effect, this action draws from a playbook as old as Shakespeare, who
penned the phrase: “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.” WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE,
HENRY VI, PART 2, act 4, sc. 2, l. 75."

"IV.
CONCLUSION
The U.S. Constitution affords critical protections against Executive action like that ordered in EO 14230. Government officials, including the President, may not “subject[] individuals to ‘retaliatory actions’ after the fact for having engaged in protected speech.” Hous. Cmty. Coll. Sys., 595 U.S. at 474 (quoting Nieves, 587 U.S. at 398). They may neither “use the power of the State to punish or suppress disfavored expression,” Vullo, 602 U.S. at 188, nor engage in the use of “purely personal and arbitrary power,” Yick Wo, 118 U.S. at 370. In this case, these and other foundational protections were violated by EO 14230. On that basis, this Court has found that EO 14230 violates the Constitution and is thus null and void.

For the reasons explained, plaintiff is entitled to summary judgment and declaratory and permanent injunctive relief on Counts II through IX of the Amended Complaint. The government’s motion to dismiss is denied. An order consistent with this Memorandum Opinion will be entered contemporaneously.
Date: May 2, 2025
__________________________
BERYL A. HOWELL
United States District Judge"

Dargo

05-03-25, 10:05 AM

All: God save your majesty!
Jack Cade: I thank you, good people there shall be no money all shall eat and drink on my score and I will apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord.
Dick the Butcher: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

vienna

05-03-25, 10:09 AM

From the "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" file...

This was a newspaper column published in 1987 in the San Francisco Chronicle written by Art Hoppe who was a highly popular commentator/satirist...

THE MIGHTIEST NATION

“Oh, Grandfather, such a beautiful room, all marble and gold!”

“Hush, son. This is the Senate Chamber. We must talk in whispers to show our veneration for the majesty of this great institution.”

“And those men, they look so important. Are they the Senators, Grandfather?”

“Yes, son. It is a great honor to be a Senator. Most of them are very rich, and all of them are highly respected for the position that they hold.”

“But what do the Senators do, Grandfather?”

“Do? Well, they attend funerals and inaugurations, and sometimes Our Leader even lets them applaud his laws or hail his treaties.”

“But we were told in school that the Senators made our laws and approved our treaties.”

“Oh, that was long ago, son — before we became the mightiest nation the world has ever seen.”

“Aren’t the Senators even more important now that we are the mightiest nation, Grandfather?”

“Oh, my, no, son. You see, when we were a little republic of farmers and citizen soldiers, the Senators could run our affairs very well. We were proud and independent even then, and we had faith in our destiny. So we conquered the savage tribes that hemmed us in. We fought and won numerous wars on land and sea. And at last we became the mightiest nation, admired, envied and feared by one and all.”

“But the Senators . . .”

“We couldn’t have a bunch of quarreling politicians trying to run the incredibly complex, world-wide affairs of the mightiest nation. Why, by the time they got around to approving a treaty, we’d be at war. I don’t know what would have happened to us if that handsome military hero hadn’t come along.”

“Tell me about him, Grandfather.”

“Well, it was a time when the nation was in trouble. The enemy was practically at our border. The Senators vacillated. Sometimes they wanted to fight; sometimes they hoped to make peace. So this soldier took matters in his own hands, and when they accused him of violating their laws, he told them they didn’t know how to cope with the dangers the country was in.”

“He broke the laws?”

“I suppose so. But he was a great orator, and he convinced the people that they needed a strong leader to save the land from its enemies. The people could see that the Senators had outlived their usefulness, and that was the end, of course, of the outmoded Republic. And he was right, you see, because our strong leaders have kept us the mightiest nation the world has ever seen.”

“Yes, Grandfather, but so many of us are poor and living on welfare. Criminals roam the streets. Homeless people are everywhere. The government’s deep in debt. Many of my friends are rejecting their old religion and turning to strange new cults. It’s almost as though we’ve lost faith in ourselves and in our nation.”

“Quiet, son. The Emperor’s soldiers may hear you. Do you want to rot in prison for the rest of your life?”

“Sometimes, Grandfather, I wish that military hero had obeyed the laws, and the Senators still ran things. I’ll bet that in those long-gone days, every man stood tall as a citizen of the Republic.”

“Don’t talk nonsense, boy. If Julius Caesar hadn’t crossed the Rubicon, Imperial Rome today under the great Emperor Caligula wouldn’t be the mightiest nation the world has ever seen.”

https://datebook.sfchronicle.com/entertainment/chronicle-classic-the-mightiest-nation

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