US Politics Thread 2021-24

[August]

No signing a petition is not illegal-What should be illegal is giving a voter money for putting their vote on a certain politician/candidate.

Markus


It is but that is not what Musk is doing.

[Catfish]

^ Maybe not to "everyone", but The Musk lottery.
"[...] with the daily distribution of millions, the billionaire hopes that it will result in Trump returning to the White House. [...]"

"Each day leading up to the election, the Tesla owner will give $1 million to a random Trump supporter
who has signed his online statement, which supports free speech and the right to bear arms, among other things."

"The statement also offers $100 to any registered voter in Pennsylvania who signs, as well as an additional $100 for referring a registered voter in the state to sign."

[Rockstar]

Election Exclusive: British Advisors to Kamala Harris Hope to "Kill Musk's Twitter"

England, not Russia, is the culprit in a real foreign election interference story, as the leaked Stateside plans of an advisory group with close ties to [that fascist twat] Prime Minister Keir Starmer show.

[emphasis mine]

The British are coming, to meddle in our elections!

In an explosive leak with ramifications for the upcoming U.S. presidential election, internal documents from the Center for Countering Digital Hate—whose founder is British political operative Morgan McSweeney, now advising the Kamala Harris campaign—show the group plans in writing to “kill Musk’s Twitter” while strengthening ties with the Biden/Harris administration and Democrats like Senator Amy Klobuchar, who has introduced multiple bills to regulate online “misinformation.”

Senator Klobuchar’s office did not respond to request for comment.

Entire article:https://disinformationchronicle.substack.com/p/election-exclusive-british-advisors

[August]

^ Maybe not to "everyone", but The Musk lottery.
"[...] with the daily distribution of millions, the billionaire hopes that it will result in Trump returning to the White House. [...]"

"Each day leading up to the election, the Tesla owner will give $1 million to a random Trump supporter
who has signed his online statement, which supports free speech and the right to bear arms, among other things."

"The statement also offers $100 to any registered voter in Pennsylvania who signs, as well as an additional $100 for referring a registered voter in the state to sign."




And again it is not paying anyone to register or to vote in a certain way.

[Catfish]

^ Not directly, but I think this action of Musk is tendentious, to say at least.
But you say that this is not a problem and maybe it isn't – ok.

Another question: i have read this electoral college thing up and down and I understand how it works. But how did this came to be, and why do you think that this system is superior to direct voting, where the real number of votes is used to elect the president.
I mean where is the advantage, or why would a direct democratic vote be worse, or inferior?

[Dargo]

Another question: i have read this electoral college thing up and down and I understand how it works. But how did this came to be, and why do you think that this system is superior to direct voting, where the real number of votes is used to elect the president.
I mean where is the advantage, or why would a direct democratic vote be worse, or inferior?Direct democracy was not what the framers of the United States Constitution envisioned for the nation. They saw a danger in tyranny of the majority. As a result, they advocated a representative democracy in the form of a constitutional republic over a direct democracy. The pure form of direct democracy exists only in the Swiss cantons of Appenzell Innerrhoden and Glarus. The Swiss Confederation is a semi-direct democracy (representative democracy with strong instruments of direct democracy). Despite being a monarchy, direct democracy is considered to be an engrained element of Liechtensteiner politics. If called for by at least 1,000 citizens, a referendum on any law can be initiated. Referendums can suspend parliament or change the constitution, but at least 1,500 citizens must vote affirmative, so referendums to suspend parliament or change the constitution fail if they have low turnout even if the required percentage of total voters is met.

[Dargo]

American creating deep fakes targeting Harris works with Russian intel, documents showA former deputy Palm Beach County sheriff who fled to Moscow and became one of the Kremlin’s most prolific propagandists is working directly with Russian military intelligence to pump out deepfakes and circulate misinformation that targets Vice President Kamala Harris’s campaign, according to Russian documents obtained by a European intelligence service and reviewed by The Washington Post. The documents show that John Mark Dougan, who also served in the U.S. Marines and has long claimed to be working independently of the Russian government, was provided funding by an officer from the GRU, the country’s military intelligence service. Some of the payments were made after fake news sites he created began to have difficulty accessing Western artificial intelligence systems this spring and he needed an AI generator — a tool that can be prompted to create text, photos and video.

Dougan’s liaison at the GRU is a senior figure in Russian military intelligence working under the cover name Yury Khoroshevsky, the documents show. The officer’s real name is Yury Khoroshenky, though he is only referred to as Khoroshevsky in the documents, and he serves in the GRU’s Unit 29155, which oversees sabotage, political interference operations and cyberwarfare targeting the West, according to two European security officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. The more than 150 documents — which were shared with The Post to demonstrate the extent of Russian interference through Dougan and focus mostly on the period between March 2021 and August 2024 — for the first time expose some of the inner workings of a network that researchers and intelligence officials say has become the most potent source of fake news emanating from Russia and targeting American voters over the past year... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/23/dougan-russian-disinformation-harris/

[Gorpet]

The fact the election is close shows that America is lost. Trump was clearly never fit to be President in the first place. I guess GOP controlled state governments gutting education is giving dividends at the ballot box. And, of course, a dedicated propaganda network doesn't hurt.


Make no mistake: Trump only cares about himself, not you.

Oh damn, I take it you are a Leon Trotsky,Follower and gutting education is giving dividends at the ballot box to the Democrats. And, of course, a dedicated propaganda network of MSM is good for the party. And of course history has shown.The leaders of socialist and communist parties,live as minimalist as they want their citizens to live and believe. While they live as the elite above and use the capitalist system to get rich. And they don't have Democrats or Republicans. So my question to you is What does America do now ?

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/ZxwAXamka38

[Gorpet]

American creating deep fakes targeting Harris works with Russian intel, documents showA former deputy Palm Beach County sheriff who fled to Moscow and became one of the Kremlin’s most prolific propagandists is working directly with Russian military intelligence to pump out deepfakes and circulate misinformation that targets Vice President Kamala Harris’s campaign, according to Russian documents obtained by a European intelligence service and reviewed by The Washington Post. The documents show that John Mark Dougan, who also served in the U.S. Marines and has long claimed to be working independently of the Russian government, was provided funding by an officer from the GRU, the country’s military intelligence service. Some of the payments were made after fake news sites he created began to have difficulty accessing Western artificial intelligence systems this spring and he needed an AI generator — a tool that can be prompted to create text, photos and video.

Dougan’s liaison at the GRU is a senior figure in Russian military intelligence working under the cover name Yury Khoroshevsky, the documents show. The officer’s real name is Yury Khoroshenky, though he is only referred to as Khoroshevsky in the documents, and he serves in the GRU’s Unit 29155, which oversees sabotage, political interference operations and cyberwarfare targeting the West, according to two European security officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. The more than 150 documents — which were shared with The Post to demonstrate the extent of Russian interference through Dougan and focus mostly on the period between March 2021 and August 2024 — for the first time expose some of the inner workings of a network that researchers and intelligence officials say has become the most potent source of fake news emanating from Russia and targeting American voters over the past year... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/23/dougan-russian-disinformation-harris/

You haven't answered my last Question. Dawg

[Dargo]

And again it is not paying anyone to register or to vote in a certain way.Justice Department warns Elon Musk that his $1 million giveaway to registered voters may be illegal (https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/elon-musk-justice-department-letter/index.html)Federal law bars paying people to register to vote. The language of the petition currently promises $1 million prizes to people chosen at random for signing a petition in support of First and Second Amendment freedoms. But to sign the petition, you must be registered to vote in specific states.

[Gorpet]

Justice Department warns Elon Musk that his $1 million giveaway to registered voters may be illegal (https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/elon-musk-justice-department-letter/index.html)

So, tell me ocean warrior,How is the Biden administration forgiving student loan debits,a billion dollar giveaway to to young registered voters not a flat out, Vote for the Democrat party.

[August]

Justice Department warns Elon Musk that his $1 million giveaway to registered voters may be illegal (https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/elon-musk-justice-department-letter/index.html)

So this is different then?

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[Rockstar]

Justice Department warns Elon Musk that his $1 million giveaway to registered voters may be illegal (https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/elon-musk-justice-department-letter/index.html)


:har::har::har:

So the DOJ says it ‘may’ be illegal. WTF? :doh: Either it is illegal or it is not illegal, there is no may be. Only a brainwashed fascist would believe that crap.

It’s no different than what Lavrentiy Beria, the most ruthless and longest-serving secret police chief in Joseph Stalin’s reign of terror in Russia and Eastern Europe, bragged that he could prove criminal conduct on anyone, even the innocent. “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime” was Beria’s infamous boast

[August]

:har::har::har:

So the DOJ says it ‘may’ be illegal. WTF? :doh: Either it is illegal or it is not illegal, there is no may be. Only a brainwashed fascist would believe that crap.

You're right about that. Like Trumps legal problems. All of them have been created by stretching and reinterpreting criminal statues in completely novel ways.

If they try to go after Musk it would be by doing the same thing.

[AVGWarhawk]

Justice Department warns Elon Musk that his $1 million giveaway to registered voters may be illegal (https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/elon-musk-justice-department-letter/index.html)

May be illegal. How's the cash give away promises by Harris working out?

[AVGWarhawk]

:har::har::har:

So the DOJ says it ‘may’ be illegal. WTF? :doh: Either it is illegal or it is not illegal, there is no may be. Only a brainwashed fascist would believe that crap

It's similar to being a little bit pregnant. You are or you aren't.

[August]

It's similar to being a little bit pregnant. You are or you aren't.


In this case you are if you're a Trump supporter and you aren't if you are a Dem doing the same exact thing.

[Skybird]

https://www.newsweek.com/what-happens-donald-trump-2024-election-wins-loses-1973852

[Jimbuna]

https://www.newsweek.com/what-happens-donald-trump-2024-election-wins-loses-1973852

That is almost a given :yep:

[Rockstar]

https://i.ibb.co/DWjdFkL/IMG-0884.jpg

Case in point

https://i.ibb.co/4p49XLf/IMG-0919.jpg

And brainwashed fascists wonder why others are shooting at him.

[AVGWarhawk]

https://i.ibb.co/DWjdFkL/IMG-0884.jpg

Case in point

https://i.ibb.co/4p49XLf/IMG-0919.jpg

And brainwashed fascists wonder why others are shooting at him.

This is the same woman who said North Korea and the USA have a great alliance. She is a idiot in every sense of the word.

[Rockstar]

This is the same woman who said North Korea and the USA have a great alliance. She is a idiot in every sense of the word.

Replacing Biden with Harris is like crapping your pants and changing your shirt.

[mapuc]

https://i.ibb.co/DWjdFkL/IMG-0884.jpg

Case in point

And brainwashed fascists wonder why others are shooting at him.

This made me remember what was said in the news some hours ago.

Harris accuse Trump being a fascist.

For me hearing this, indicate a sound of desperation.

Markus

[mapuc]

Didn't know the US was so divided - Saw a feature on the news. Here some Americans were asked and their answers made me think - Is the USA really so divided

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

This made me remember what was said in the news some hours ago.

Harris accuse Trump being a fascist.

For me hearing this, indicate a sound of desperation.

Markus

Harris is a Marxist.

[Jimbuna]

Didn't know the US was so divided - Saw a feature on the news. Here some Americans were asked and their answers made me think - Is the USA really so divided

Markus

If you look on X/Twitter you'll see just how bad it is.

[Rockstar]

Didn't know the US was so divided - Saw a feature on the news. Here some Americans were asked and their answers made me think - Is the USA really so divided

Markus

No, just highly opinionated. Though I can see how some might get the impression of division if all they do is follow Russian Twitter bots and watch TV specials all day. Somebody hit us and we’ll band together like a pack of hyenas to kick their arse like we did the British in ‘76

As much as Buddahaid & Vienna have lost their way ;) :D. I’d still shake their hands and buy the first round if I ever had the privilege to meet them. Especially Vienna I bet he’s got some damn good stories to tell. :()1:

[August]

I think this says it all:


https://i.imgur.com/zJHB6qi.jpg

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I think this says it all:


https://i.imgur.com/zJHB6qi.jpg


What about Trump's obvious decline? Age and senility suddenly doesn't matter anymore?


Btw, can you show an example where fascism has EVER not come back to bite its middle and working class enablers in their posteriors? Do you REALLY think you're protected because you're some middle aged white guy? I'm sure there are guys like you from 1933 who lost their sons at Stalingrad.

[Buddahaid]

Everybody sounds like they’re whistling past the graveyard these days.

[u crank]

Everybody sounds like they’re whistling past the graveyard these days.

Yes there seems to be a lot of that these days.

[Oubaas]

2 John 1:11

November 5th is a lot scarier than October 31st. I wish that, "None of the Above" was an option on the ballot.

Since it's not, I'll just stay out here in the middle of nowhere and mind my own business. People who believe that the two-party dominated system constitutes a democracy can do the voting.

This should be the National Anthem...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=OMAIsqvTh7g&embeds_referring_euri=some_value

:o:o:o

:Kaleun_Cheers:

[AVGWarhawk]

Everybody sounds like they’re whistling past the graveyard these days.

Those in the graveyard are voting.

[AVGWarhawk]

Voter fraud found in PA. So it begins.

[Skybird]

[Die Welt] The US daily newspaper “Washington Post” is breaking with tradition: there will be no official recommendation for a candidate in this election. This was announced (https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/10/25/washington-post-endorsement-president/) by the newspaper's managing editor on Friday. “The Washington Post will not endorse a presidential candidate in this election,” writes managing editor Will Lewis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/25/washington-post-endorsement/). “Nor will we in future presidential elections. We are returning to our roots and not endorsing any presidential candidates.” Accordingly, the “Washington Post” has only regularly issued an election recommendation since 1976.

This decision should not be understood as a “tacit endorsement of one candidate or a condemnation of another,” Lewis continues. According to the editorial team (https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/10/25/washington-post-endorsement-president/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f004), editors of the newspaper had already written an article on the so-called endorsement, the election recommendation, for Kamala Harris. It was the billionaire owner of the “Washington Post”, Jeff Bezos, who decided not to publish the text, it is said.

The Washington Post's decision sparked outrage. The former editor-in-chief of the newspaper, Marty Baron, wrote on X (https://x.com/PostBaron/status/1849847940761657353): “This is cowardice, and democracy is falling victim to it.” Reporters from CNN (https://x.com/Hadas_Gold/status/1849875715736367355) and the news site “Semafor” also reported that the chief commentator of the “WaPo”, Robert Kagan, had resigned in protest.

Shortly before the “Washington Post” announced its decision, the tabloid “New York Post” went public on Friday with an election recommendation for Donald Trump. The Republican was the right choice, wrote the newspaper, which belongs to the group owned by conservative media entrepreneur Rupert Murdoch. Just four years ago, after the events of January 6, the “New York Post” had judged (https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1849771566155833402) that Trump had proven himself unworthy of ever being the country's head of state again.

A few days ago, the head of commentary at the Los Angeles Times resigned because the owner of the newspaper, biotech entrepreneur Patrick Soon-Shiong, had also prevented an election endorsement for Kamala Harris. Soon-Shiong wrote on X that he had instead wanted a balance sheet of the two candidates' terms in office, but had agreed with the editors to refrain from doing so. The Los Angeles Times continues to make endorsements for the other (https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-09-10/los-angeles-times-elections-endorsements-2024-november) decisions coming up on Election Day (https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-09-10/los-angeles-times-elections-endorsements-2024-november), such as Senate positions, city councils, school boards and referendums.

[Buddahaid]

Voter fraud found in PA. So it begins.

Trump found that months, if not years ago, or did somebody name their baby Voter Fraud?

[Jimbuna]

Just read this article and quite frankly words escape me.

Trump grumbles about Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize — and claims he deserved it more

With 11 days to go until Election Day, Donald Trump can’t stop obsessing about former President Barack Obama having been awarded a Nobel Prize in 2009, a little more than eight months after taking office.

At a campaign stop in Las Vegas on Thursday, the former president bombarded the audience with false claims about, among other things, hordes of undocumented “animals” entering the United States, widespread voter fraud, and the size of the crowd there to see him at the UNLV Thomas & Mack Center, insisting there were 29,000 people inside the 19,522-capacity arena. (Earlier this week, Trump claimed 29,000 people had turned out to watch him briefly work a McDonald’s drive-thru window in a Pennsylvania town with a total population of 24,657.)

But amid his rambling, digressive remarks, Trump — who has nursed a grudge against the nation’s first Black president ever since Obama roasted him in a speech at the 2011 White House Correspondents’ Association dinner — relitigated his personal opposition to Obama’s Nobel win a decade-and-a-half ago.

Trump insisted that he in fact deserved a Nobel more than Obama did, and bemoaned how unfair it was that “anybody else” but him would have been honoured with one.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-grumbles-about-obama-s-nobel-peace-prize-and-claims-he-deserved-it-more/ar-AA1sVVo3?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=594fa3ea922445ff81c514cf2917289f&ei=29

The article has more reading in it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Trump found that months, if not years ago, or did somebody name their baby Voter Fraud?

Sigh.....

https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-voter-registration-investigation-8380686817ed4d4eb16dc303d01b2a76

Keep up. There will be more fraud on the way.

[Buddahaid]

That's not fraud, it's an investigation by people doing their jobs looking for fraud. Business as usual.

[AVGWarhawk]

That's not fraud, it's an investigation by people doing their jobs looking for fraud. Business as usual.

And fraud has been confirmed. Business as usual for fraud.

For crying out loud.

Officials in Lancaster County in the swing state of Pennsylvania say they identified hundreds of potentially fraudulent voter registration applications.

"Suspected fraudulent voter registration forms were dropped off at the Board of Elections Office in two batches at or near the deadline for submission," the board said in a statement on Friday. "There are approximately 2,500 voter registration applications total in these two batches."


https://www.npr.org/2024/10/25/nx-s1-5165382/lancaster-county-voter-registration-fraud

[mapuc]

Hmm, depends on where a person stands in the political landscape-The accusation will be pointed at the opposite side, for having committed voter fraud.

Markus

[Dargo]

https://www.pa.gov/en/agencies/vote/elections/fact-checking-pa-related-election-claims.html

[Buddahaid]

Suspected is not confirmed. I suspect most of the voter fraud in this election will prove to be on the Republican side when the dust settles.

[Dargo]

This is how you do elections. What is Viktor Orbán's premature ejalection doing? :D

https://i.postimg.cc/jSBM1N5n/electpre.png

[vienna]

Joe Rogan asked Donald Trump for specifics on how 2020 was stolen. Then could only laugh at the answer --


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-rogan-trump-podcast-stolen-election-b2636115.html




The podcaster then asked Trump if he would ever present the evidence, Trump responded with “uh.” He then went into a rant about Russia and Hunter Biden’s laptop.





So...I guess Trump has no real eveidence or proof then...?...

...just deflection and evasion...?...



<O>

[August]

Snapshot 10/26/2024


https://i.imgur.com/dt3PnKH.jpg

[mapuc]

^ Trump's lead in several of these swing states is very narrow and with a margin of error of + - 3% it can go either way.

Markus

[Gorpet]

What about Trump's obvious decline? Age and senility suddenly doesn't matter anymore?


Btw, can you show an example where fascism has EVER not come back to bite its middle and working class enablers in their posteriors? Do you REALLY think you're protected because you're some middle aged white guy? I'm sure there are guys like you from 1933 who lost their sons at Stalingrad.

Well, Starmer is certainly bringing fascism to the UK.Under the auspices of finding and rectifying the mysterious "Black Hole" of debit the last administration left. Now my question is was he in government during the last administration ? And if he was where was he ? No voice at all from Starmer, When all the money was being sent to Ukraine, Was he just suckin on the tit ? Waiting?

Suspected is not confirmed. I suspect most of the voter fraud in this election will prove to be on the Republican side when the dust settles.

And, Just who will prove that ? Demo

[Jimbuna]

'There's no evidence': Reporter debunks Trump's latest claim of helping disaster victims

Donald Trump recently claimed to have helped hurricane victims, but there's "no evidence" to support he did any such thing, one reporter found on Saturday.

S.V. Date, a senior White House correspondent at HuffPost, said over the weekend that the former president "said he brought supplies to storm-ravaged Georgia."

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But all Trump really brought were "dozens of local police officers for security, diverting them from storm cleanup," according to the report.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/there-s-no-evidence-reporter-debunks-trump-s-latest-claim-of-helping-disaster-victims/ar-AA1sZEPy?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ecf6b58f76a442eb8a7e85ff0540473c&ei=16

[Skybird]

[FOCUS] A German expert has weighed in on the debate surrounding US presidential candidate Donald Trump's possible dementia shortly before the election on November 5. Trump is showing clear signs of frontotemporal dementia, Hamburg-based behavioral neurologist Wido Nager told RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland (RND). Nager is a private lecturer and court expert and was previously the neurological head of the dementia outpatient clinic at Hanover Medical School for many years. “Dementia is all too often associated, both in the USA and here in Germany, with memory disorders that are already dominant at the beginning,” said Nager. Frontotemporal dementia, on the other hand, manifests itself differently at an earlier stage, particularly through increasingly disinhibited behavior away from social norms. Due to a lack of own examinations, no one can officially pronounce a diagnosis. However, the signs that Trump is showing in this respect are now textbook.
Last week, more than 200 doctors in the USA expressed doubts about Trump's mental health in an open letter. The debate came to a head when Trump recently commented on the size of a deceased celebrity golfer's genitals, made increasingly incoherent statements at events, insulted his rival Kamala Harris in fecal language and interrupted a question-and-answer session to give an unexpected dance interlude to his favorite music for 37 minutes. Nager said that Trump was in an extremely difficult situation that you couldn't wish on anyone. The 78-year-old actually urgently needs the best possible diagnosis and treatment, but at the same time his resistance to advice is growing, especially in this phase of his illness.

Harry Segal, a lecturer at Cornell University's psychology department, expressed a similar view to Nager last week. In the USA, there has recently been a growing willingness to highlight psychiatric aspects in election campaigns. For decades, the so-called Goldwater Rule from the 1960s put the brakes on debates of this kind.
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I know this described syndrome. Its well-known and well-documented in literature. Its no propagandsitsic mumbo-jumbo.

And already during Trumps first term I pointed at the imo all too obvious indices revealing his underlying psychopathic, anti-social personality disorder, meaning a psychiatrically relevant condition by that.

And I recall from these years that I think a nice of his, a studied clinical psychologist as well if I recall correctly, also gave descriptions of her uncle in this direction, quoting the destructive relation of his to his father as the reason for his derailed personality today.

None of these new assessments surprises me, therefore.

And heck, that old sack is OLD. Old, dont you see...? Old.

[Dargo]

^In an interview with Fox News (2020), Trump challenged journalist Chris Wallace to take an intelligence test and directly told him that he probably wouldn't be able to. The test Trump bragged about is the so-called Montreal Cognitive Assessment ( MoCA ), devised in 1996 by neurologist Ziad Nasreddine. Who clarified, ‘This is not an IQ test or an aptitude test. The test is designed to help doctors spot early signs of Alzheimer's.’ Figures!

[Buddahaid]

,,,And, Just who will prove that ? Demo.

The courts when the accused get prosecuted. That is how our system works.

[AVGWarhawk]

Suspected is not confirmed. I suspect most of the voter fraud in this election will prove to be on the Republican side when the dust settles.

What's the difference? Fraud is fraud.

[mapuc]

What's the difference? Fraud is fraud.

He-I was right

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2930753&postcount=10292

Have an historical question.

Today you have only two major parties and many small parties/interest group

Have there ever been more than these two major parties ? Like 3 main parties.

Markus

[Dargo]

He-I was right

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2930753&postcount=10292
MarkusNo it does not depend on where a person stands in the political landscape, it can be a Federal election offence.
Fraud by the Voter:
Giving false information when registering to vote (such as false citizenship claims)
Voting when ineligible to vote
Voting more than once or using someone else’s name to vote
Fraud by an Elections/Campaign Official or Other Individual:
Changing a ballot tally or engaging in other corrupt behaviour as an elections official
Providing a voter with money or something of value in exchange for voting for a specific candidate or party in a federal election
Threatening a voter with physical or financial harm if they don’t vote or don’t vote a certain way
Trying to prevent qualified voters from voting by lying about the time, date, or place of an election (voter suppression)

[mapuc]

Either I didn't write my comment in perfect English, using perfect grammar ,'cause you have misunderstood it.

Buddahaid wrote:
"Suspected is not confirmed. I suspect most of the voter fraud in this election will prove to be on the Republican side when the dust settles."

And this is what I meant by "The accusation will be pointed at the opposite side, for having committed voter fraud."

Markus

[Buddahaid]

What's the difference? Fraud is fraud.

Are you kidding me? One is real and the other is conjecture.

[AVGWarhawk]

Are you kidding me? One is real and the other is conjecture.

Do you listen to yourself? None of this would be necessary if there is a standard voter ID requirement. No mail in ballots. If a person can get their butts to the cellphone store, they sure as hell can get to a polling place with ID.

[u crank]

It is actually very hard for me to believe this is the way elections are conducted in parts of the USA. Here in Canada it is a simple and fool-proof procedure. People come to your door, you are recorded with proof of identity and your name is put on the voting list. You simply show up at poll, prove who you are and vote. The beauty of this system is that there is never any accusations of fraud. It is not rocket science.

[AVGWarhawk]

It is actually very hard for me to believe this is the way elections are conducted in parts of the USA. Here in Canada it is a simple and fool-proof procedure. People come to your door, you are recorded with proof of identity and your name is put on the voting list. You simply show up at poll, prove who you are and vote. The beauty of this system is that there is never any accusations of fraud. It is not rocket science.

Years ago it did require a voter registration card and ID.

[u crank]

Years ago it did require a voter registration card and ID.

Yes I understand that this is something fairly new. I can only think of one reason why anybody would be against such a simple and safe way to have elections without accusations of fraud.

[mapuc]

When they show video clip from the Dems rallies-Harris or Obama is only talking bad things around Trump.

When they show video clip from Trumps rallies-He talk about things he wanna do to improve the society and the life of the Americans. Only a few times have I seen him talking bad about Harris.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

It is actually very hard for me to believe this is the way elections are conducted in parts of the USA. Here in Canada it is a simple and fool-proof procedure. People come to your door, you are recorded with proof of identity and your name is put on the voting list. You simply show up at poll, prove who you are and vote. The beauty of this system is that there is never any accusations of fraud. It is not rocket science.

Here in the UK you are allowed a postal vote after satisfying the authorities of who you are, otherwise to vote in person you must have photo id with you at the time of voting.

[u crank]

Here in the UK you are allowed a postal vote after satisfying the authorities of who you are, otherwise to vote in person you must have photo id with you at the time of voting.

It is the same here. Voting by mail, absentee voting or in person voting all require ID.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes I understand that this is something fairly new. I can only think of one reason why anybody would be against such a simple and safe way to have elections without accusations of fraud.

We are told having a photo ID and being required to appear in person to vote is racist in nature. We are told that some do not have access to computers, transportation or means to registers. Yet, these same folks with disadvantages manage to get to the cellphone store for a phone, the market to but goods and ignore the public libraries that have computers. Not to mention the cellphone is a handheld computer in it's own right. Now, I can understand the homes for the elderly, citizens out of the country and things of this nature. But a flat out no ID to vote is a problem.

[AVGWarhawk]

When they show video clip from the Dems rallies-Harris or Obama is only talking bad things around Trump.



Markus


This is a sign of a campaign in trouble.

[mapuc]

This is a sign of a campaign in trouble.

Would love to see an entire rally with both Trump and Harris.
They can't be talking about Trump the entire time
Trump must now and then talk bad about Harris

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Would love to see an entire rally with both Trump and Harris.
They can't be talking about Trump the entire time
Trump must now and then talk bad about Harris

Markus

He does. They both talk bad about each other. However, calling Trump Hitler goes beyond the pale.

[mapuc]

He does. They both talk bad about each other. However, calling Trump Hitler goes beyond the pale.

I know-Those of my American FB-friends who support Harris, is calling Trump Der Führer.
:nope:

Markus

[les green01]

in Missouri in person voting you have to show your id then they check if your on the list to vote then you got to sign by your name least they do where i vote at i watch trump live stream yesterday at madison on youtube and subscribe to him on tube

[Buddahaid]

Do you listen to yourself? None of this would be necessary if there is a standard voter ID requirement. No mail in ballots. If a person can get their butts to the cellphone store, they sure as hell can get to a polling place with ID.

My voter registration is validated by my REAL ID driver’s license. The same ID that allows me to board commercial aircraft after TSA security checks and use mail in ballots. Mail in ballots are here to stay so use them and then work to get the GOP back to normalcy by voting out the clown car occupants.

[Jimbuna]

It is the same here. Voting by mail, absentee voting or in person voting all require ID.

I actually voted for my lad one year but he had to satisfy the authorities of his right to vote first and I also had to have the necessary paperwork.

I found that kinda strange because I could of went against his wishes and voted for a party other than the one he chose.

[Jimbuna]

He does. They both talk bad about each other. However, calling Trump Hitler goes beyond the pale.

Wasn't it Vance who compared Trump to Hitler first?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/

[u crank]

I actually voted for my lad one year but he had to satisfy the authorities of his right to vote first and I also had to have the necessary paperwork.

I found that kinda strange because I could of went against his wishes and voted for a party other than the one he chose.

Well that would be on him to trust you. :D

[Jimbuna]

Well that would be on him to trust you. :D

I'd be lying if I said I didn't pull his leg about it :03:

[u crank]

Wasn't it Vance who compared Trump to Hitler first?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/

And Kamala Harris all but called Joe Biden racist to his face. It's politics. And make no mistake, Democrats calling Trump Hitler is a sure sign that they are desperate. No US politician is even remotely like Hitler. It is like people are not aware of even a bit of history. Sadly for the Dems this smear is not working. No one believes them.

[Jimbuna]

And Kamala Harris all but called Joe Biden racist to his face. It's politics. And make no mistake, Democrats calling Trump Hitler is a sure sign that they are desperate. No US politician is even remotely like Hitler. It is like people are not aware of even a bit of history. Sadly for the Dems this smear is not working. No one believes them.

Good, I never thought Hitler was as bad as that :03:

:O:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I just came to the realization that if the Democratic nominee were a white male, the election would likely be in the bag for the Democrats. Joe, with his imbecilic woke litmus test for a running partner, may still cost the Dems the election.

Another jaw dropper: I saw Michelle Obama posing with her mail-in ballot, and her fingernails were insanely long. It seemed quite tacky.

[AVGWarhawk]

My voter registration is validated by my REAL ID driver’s license. The same ID that allows me to board commercial aircraft after TSA security checks and use mail in ballots. Mail in ballots are here to stay so use them and then work to get the GOP back to normalcy by voting out the clown car occupants.

I understand what a REAL ID is. I didn't just emerge from a cave. Here in MD ones does not need to show an ID. Name and address verbally. Here's your ballot. Simply saying mail in ballots are here to stay does not make me accept and shut up about it. Nor should it if I don't agree with it.

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T22psh5zo8


:hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Non-citizens must stay in the voter roll ruled by VA judge. Business as usual eh Budda?

[AVGWarhawk]

Ballot boxes set in fire. Oh well, here to stay eh Budda. Might as well get used to it. Business as usual.


https://apnews.com/article/vote-ballot-drop-box-democracy-fire-f66c52f774955106fb9e7c8172825cff

[August]

I understand what a REAL ID is. I didn't just emerge from a cave. Here in MD ones does not need to show an ID. Name and address verbally. Here's your ballot. Simply saying mail in ballots are here to stay does not make me accept and shut up about it. Nor should it if I don't agree with it.


Same thing in Massachusetts.

[mapuc]

Judgement day approaching

Will USA survive 4 years with one of these two candidates ?
Or
Will USA flourish during these 4 years with one of these two candidates ?

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Judgement day approaching

Will USA survive 4 years with one of these two candidates ?
Or
Will USA flourish during these 4 years with one of these two candidates ?

Markus

The USA survived under Trump and will again. For Harris, it will be 4 more years of the same or worse IMO. She is a far far left progressive. The citizens are not better off under Biden. Harris said she would not change a thing Biden has done. That should tell you enough.

[les green01]

her 4 years of same open border the whole 9 yards him 4 years of mean tweets and watching don but his foot in his mouth better off under him and gets some laughs or laughing at the morons blowing everything he says up and away

[Catfish]

Good, I never thought Hitler was as bad as that :03:

:O:
"Thank you" from Germany
Lol :D

[AVGWarhawk]

Nothing like clingy, deplorable garbage!


See a pattern here? The dems sure don't.

[Ostfriese]

She is far far left progressive.


Only if your scale ends at the dead center.

[u crank]

Only if your scale ends at the dead center.

Where does yours end?

[Ostfriese]

Where does yours end?


Like most Europeans: mine ends with true left and true right. Harris would barely manage to fall into the social democrat category in Europe (and the rest of the world...), and the Democrats at a whole are left leaning centrists at best.


But yeah, if you cut of the scale at the center and erase anything left of it Harris would certainly appear to be far far left...

[u crank]

Like most Europeans: mine ends with true left and true right. Harris would barely manage to fall into the social democrat category in Europe (and the rest of the world...), and the Democrats at a whole are left leaning centrists at best.


But yeah, if you cut of the scale at the center and erase anything left of it Harris would certainly appear to be far far left...

Kamala Harris' voting record when she was a Senator was to the left of Bernie Sanders. In the US that makes her a far lefty. Americans are not going to use the European standard to determine her political stance. Almost all of her positions are well to the left.

[AVGWarhawk]

Kamala Harris' voting record when she was a Senator was to the left of Bernie Sanders. In the US that makes her a far lefty. Americans are not going to use the European standard to determine her political stance. Almost all of her positions are well to the left.

Harris' voting record makes Bernie look like a Reagan republican. :har:

[AVGWarhawk]

Wasn't it Vance who compared Trump to Hitler first?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/

He did. But then he saw the light.

[vienna]

This whole "voter fraud" issue has grown tiresome; there is absolutely no verifiable proof of any massive voter fraud and there has been no one who has been able to prove rampant voter fraud, under the existing systems in the various states, is a problem that in any way invalidates the process(es); I recall one member on this thread who made the blunt statement statement that 'millions of illegal aliens" had cast votes in the last Presidential election; I was tempted to call him on his claim and make him prove it, but I figured all the response I would get would be something along the line of "What about Hunter Biden!?!" or some such other nonsense or, most probably no response at all; it is, indeed, rather curious how silent those who make such ridiculous claims become mute when challenged...


Here are some articles detailing the background of supposed fraud in the election process(es):


Caltech Science Exchange / Topics / Voting and Elections / Voting by Mail
How Does Voting by Mail Work? --

https://scienceexchange.caltech.edu/topics/voting-elections/vote-by-mail-security


Fraud is rare in U.S. mail-in voting. Here are the methods that prevent it --

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vote-by-mail-explainer/explainer-fraud-is-rare-in-u-s-mail-in-voting-here-are-the-methods-that-prevent-it-idUSKBN2482SA/


How are mail-in and absentee ballots verified? --

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-voting-voter-registration-government-and-politics-609866267baef89dd1513e7c9e2f7509


For an authoritative and comprehensive overview and description of the mail-in ballot process(es), this link is for a web page published by The National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL); why is this an authoritative link? Well, perhaps, the self-description of the NCSL gives credence:



The National Conference of State Legislatures, created by state legislators and legislative staff in 1975, serves America’s 50 states, commonwealths, territories and the District of Columbia. Every state legislator and staffer is a member of the organization and has complete access to the latest in bipartisan policy research, training resources and technical assistance tailored specifically to their needs. And, NCSL offers members a variety of opportunities to connect and collaborate, notably at its signature event, the NCSL Legislative Summit.





Seems to me their take on mail-in ballots should be damn near to irrefutable...


Voting Outside the Polling Place: Absentee, All-Mail and Other Voting at Home Options --

https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/voting-outside-the-polling-place


Now, about verifying signatures; this link shows how the State of California mandates the verification process:


Signature Verification, Ballot Processing, and Ballot Counting (Emergency Regulations) --

https://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/regulations/current-regulations/elections/signature-verification-ballot-processing-and-ballot-counting-emergency-regulations


From the NCSL, here is a table of each state's verification process(es):


Table 14: How States Verify Voted Absentee/Mail Ballots --

https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-14-how-states-verify-voted-absentee-mail-ballots


...and, from The Bipartisan Policy Center, this:


Mail Voting is Safe and Secure --

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/mail-voting-is-safe-secure/


Now, I've posted a goodly range of backup for my stance and, in the interest of fairness, it is expected that those who espouse a contrary view should, and will, provide similarly authoritative sources for their argument(s); I'm not talking 'op-ed' pieces or YT talking heads or Faux News spokesholes gassing on about 'might've, could've, would've' theories about fraud in the voting process(es); if you're gonna claim "massive fraud", then show us the verifiable facts to back it up; c'mon, don't be shy - it's ante up time...


One main thing to consider, and its just common sense and logic: this upcoming election is going to be even more scrutinized and monitored than the last election in 2020; does any rational, thinking person actually believe any state or county election official is going to be so slack, while under the microscope, as to allow the process they oversee to fail at a level that would jeopardize the out come of the election? Does anyone seriously think that any state or county official wants to forever known as the one who bollocks up the vote count? The scrutiny alone fairly guarantees the officials are going to be giving their best (bestest) efforts come Election Day; anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves...


I voted a couple of weeks ago by dropping off my ballot in an official ballot collection box outside my local library; I signed up for email notifications on the progress of my ballot, and it was duly received, logged and processed, and is just awaiting Election Day to be officially counted: I voted for Harris, not because I particularly like her, but because the prospect of another four years of the chaos and incompetence of the Big Orange Baby Huey and his cohorts is really not very appealing as away forward for this country...

When a sitting President runs for re-election, the votes cast are a sort of 'performance evaluation' of that President and the confidence the voters have of the POTUS' efforts; its sort of like the job/performance evaluations a lot of us experience in our workplaces; raises, promotions, etc., all hinge on that evaluation; when Trump went up for re-election, the voters looked back at the near four years Trump occupied the Oval Office, considered his performance, and sacked him; he has only himself to blame for that...

...not that he will ever man up and accept blame for anything he does...




<O>

[mapuc]

Said it before-With so many million voters there will always be some, on both side, who will try to cheat.

Markus

[vienna]

Said it before-With so many million voters there will always be some, on both side, who will try to cheat.

Markus


That is indeed true: however, it is also true that the existing election laws and processes have been more than able to detect and stop those who seek to 'game' the system; one thing little noted about all those who bring up supposed cases of "massive voter fraud" by citing singular, isolated examples of voting irregularities and attempted fraud is that their "proof" exemplars exist because the flaws were detected and stopped by the checks and safeguards already in existence; when the news reports some sort of situation like, say, illegal registrations, the news got their info from the voting officials who are reporting on such situations as part of their normal course of duties; illegally registering doesn't mean those individuals actually got the opportunity to vote because they were caught and removed from the process; likewise with the news about dead people on the election rolls or other such things; in all those cases, there really isn't a vote cast because the system really does its best to weed out the frauds; is it 100% perfect? No, nothing as massive as an election is absolutely perfect; but the fact that in cases cited about voter fraud, the overwhelming fact is that the number of frauds in almost nil when you consider millions of votes are cast and only a handful of frauds are recorded; now, if someone has real, verifiable proof of an actual vote result being over turned by massive voter fraud, or even, the existence of massive voter fraud, please, do come forward and enlighten us poor, bedarkened souls...


Wait, what's that you just said? "Hunter Biden...?"...




<O>

[Gorpet]

[FOCUS] A German expert has weighed in on the debate surrounding US presidential candidate Donald Trump's possible dementia shortly before the election on November 5. Trump is showing clear signs of frontotemporal dementia, Hamburg-based behavioral neurologist Wido Nager told RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland (RND). Nager is a private lecturer and court expert and was previously the neurological head of the dementia outpatient clinic at Hanover Medical School for many years. “Dementia is all too often associated, both in the USA and here in Germany, with memory disorders that are already dominant at the beginning,” said Nager. Frontotemporal dementia, on the other hand, manifests itself differently at an earlier stage, particularly through increasingly disinhibited behavior away from social norms. Due to a lack of own examinations, no one can officially pronounce a diagnosis. However, the signs that Trump is showing in this respect are now textbook.
Last week, more than 200 doctors in the USA expressed doubts about Trump's mental health in an open letter. The debate came to a head when Trump recently commented on the size of a deceased celebrity golfer's genitals, made increasingly incoherent statements at events, insulted his rival Kamala Harris in fecal language and interrupted a question-and-answer session to give an unexpected dance interlude to his favorite music for 37 minutes. Nager said that Trump was in an extremely difficult situation that you couldn't wish on anyone. The 78-year-old actually urgently needs the best possible diagnosis and treatment, but at the same time his resistance to advice is growing, especially in this phase of his illness.

Harry Segal, a lecturer at Cornell University's psychology department, expressed a similar view to Nager last week. In the USA, there has recently been a growing willingness to highlight psychiatric aspects in election campaigns. For decades, the so-called Goldwater Rule from the 1960s put the brakes on debates of this kind.
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I know this described syndrome. Its well-known and well-documented in literature. Its no propagandsitsic mumbo-jumbo.

And already during Trumps first term I pointed at the imo all too obvious indices revealing his underlying psychopathic, anti-social personality disorder, meaning a psychiatrically relevant condition by that.

And I recall from these years that I think a nice of his, a studied clinical psychologist as well if I recall correctly, also gave descriptions of her uncle in this direction, quoting the destructive relation of his to his father as the reason for his derailed personality today.

None of these new assessments surprises me, therefore.

And heck, that old sack is OLD. Old, dont you see...? Old.

Well, the Democrats had to take Joe Biden out.Look they could only run this crook for so long.He was a good party member and played his part.And if the party wants to survive, Joe's gotta go. Now the party will give us a new Puppet.And will you dive into the psychological mind of Kamala and give us a unfettered conclusion of your discoveries ?
.

[Gorpet]

.

The courts when the accused get prosecuted. That is how our system works.

That's right, In America, It just depends on what town and city your in as how you will be prosecuted. You could be traveling with a dog named Boo, living and traveling across the land. And get prosecuted.

[Gorpet]

That is indeed true: however, it is also true that the existing election laws and processes have been more than able to detect and stop those who seek to 'game' the system; one thing little noted about all those who bring up supposed cases of "massive voter fraud" by citing singular, isolated examples of voting irregularities and attempted fraud is that their "proof" exemplars exist because the flaws were detected and stopped by the checks and safeguards already in existence; when the news reports some sort of situation like, say, illegal registrations, the news got their info from the voting officials who are reporting on such situations as part of their normal course of duties; illegally registering doesn't mean those individuals actually got the opportunity to vote because they were caught and removed from the process; likewise with the news about dead people on the election rolls or other such things; in all those cases, there really isn't a vote cast because the system really does its best to weed out the frauds; is it 100% perfect? No, nothing as massive as an election is absolutely perfect; but the fact that in cases cited about voter fraud, the overwhelming fact is that the number of frauds in almost nil when you consider millions of votes are cast and only a handful of frauds are recorded; now, if someone has real, verifiable proof of an actual vote result being over turned by massive voter fraud, or even, the existence of massive voter fraud, please, do come forward and enlighten us poor, bedarkened souls...


Wait, what's that you just said? "Hunter Biden...?"...




<O>

How, will we know all this ****,we are just peoples who get up in the morning and work way past the news cycle.

[Otto Harkaman]

The REAL threat to democracy? Read Kamala's plot to change America forever, writes DAN MCLAUGHLIN

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14022137/democracy-threat-kamala-supreme-court-DAN-MCLAUGHLIN.html

The article by Dan McLaughlin argues that Kamala Harris's stance on Supreme Court reform could present a challenge to traditional democratic principles. Harris has shown openness to expanding the Supreme Court or implementing term limits, ideas that are popular among some progressive groups but contentious within broader circles.

Democrats have been institutionally bad for democracy. And the woman they anointed leader of their party this summer – despite her not winning a single presidential primary vote – is among the worst of them.

[mapuc]

In the news here:

- "The Democrats are frustrated over Biden's comparing Trump's supporters as trash. Harris have on several occasion tried to withdraw Biden's statement."

Wonder if they(The Democrats) have lost the election with this condescending statement from Biden ?

Markus

[Skybird]

In the news here:

- "The Democrats are frustrated over Biden's comparing Trump's supporters as trash. Harris have on several occasion tried to withdraw Biden's statement."

Wonder if they(The Democrats) have lost the election with this condescending statement from Biden ?

Markus
Could very well be, we had a comparable situation at last elections in Germany, the CDU candidate laughed about a joke (not even directly connected to the event he was at, if I recall it correctly), media caught him laughing at apparenlty a very inappropriate moment, and the rest is history: three years of industry-killing trash-talking and Scholzian in-the-bubble-babbling.



Germans are best advised to have no humour. So don't laugh, Germans. You see what you got by that.

[Jimbuna]

Swing states fear potential violence if Trump loses, polls


According to the poll by The Washington Post and the Schar School, if Donald Trump loses the US presidential election, residents of swing states fear possible acts of violence by his supporters.

The respondents included over 5,000 voters from seven swing states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

According to the survey results, 57% of voters are very or somewhat concerned that Trump’s supporters may resort to violence if he loses the election. Meanwhile, 31% believe that Kamala Harris's supporters may resort to violence.

Additionally, 66% are unsure whether Trump would accept a loss, while 69% are confident that Harris would accept a loss if she loses.

The poll shows that 45% think Trump would rule the country as a dictator, while 85% of Harris supporters are convinced of this.

It’s worth noting that swing states are those where the level of support for presidential candidates from the Republican and Democratic parties is roughly equal before the election.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/swing-states-fear-potential-violence-if-trump-loses-polls/ar-AA1tekJo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=a9ea5b60fce34fa692a11a41deb4d249&ei=66

[em2nought]

It's us garbage voters who are dangerous, not their mostly peaceful types. LMAO

[Jimbuna]

Elon Musk doesn't show at Philadelphia hearing over super PAC's $1 million lottery for voters

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/elon-musk-court-philadelphia-america-pac-money-voting-2024/

[Buddahaid]

When Trump loses, he will never admit it and it will get ugly. He will claim he wins again on Tuesday before the results are certified and then claim it's all voter fraud when the count is finished. His base will believe him just like the Japanese believed they were winning the war until Tokyo was firebombed because they were never told the reality until it burned them down.

[u crank]

When Trump loses, he will never admit it and it will get ugly.

Last time he won it got ugly so there is that.

[Jimbuna]

When Trump loses, he will never admit it and it will get ugly. He will claim he wins again on Tuesday before the results are certified and then claim it's all voter fraud when the count is finished.

That is also my belief.

[mapuc]

When Trump loses, he will never admit it and it will get ugly. He will claim he wins again on Tuesday before the results are certified and then claim it's all voter fraud when the count is finished. His base will believe him just like the Japanese believed they were winning the war until Tokyo was firebombed because they were never told the reality until it burned them down.

If he wins !? Life will go on peacefully in your country I presume.

Jim posted an article on this page title 'Swing states fear potential violence if Trump loses, polls'

What I wonder is:
Will they acknowledge a defeat, the Dem supporters ?

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

When Trump loses, he will never admit it and it will get ugly. He will claim he wins again on Tuesday before the results are certified and then claim it's all voter fraud when the count is finished. His base will believe him just like the Japanese believed they were winning the war until Tokyo was firebombed because they were never told the reality until it burned them down.

Assuming Trump loses. :hmmm: Understand Harris no where remotely has this in the bag. You may want to worry more about the "garbage" supporters if he loses. :03:

[AVGWarhawk]

Elon Musk doesn't show at Philadelphia hearing over super PAC's $1 million lottery for voters

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/elon-musk-court-philadelphia-america-pac-money-voting-2024/

Because there is no reason too.

[AVGWarhawk]

In the news here:

- "The Democrats are frustrated over Biden's comparing Trump's supporters as trash. Harris have on several occasion tried to withdraw Biden's statement."

Wonder if they(The Democrats) have lost the election with this condescending statement from Biden ?

Markus

As you see, the democrats are no better. Biden meant exactly what he said. The talking heads trying to pretend it was not said. Yet, get offended by a roast comedian that well, ROASTS whoever and whatever because that is what he does for a living. There was more to the comedians roast then stating PR is a island of garbage. But CNN will not show those clips.

IMO, Biden is a hateful person and he has demonstrated that numerous times.

[mapuc]

I've been looking in my crystal ball and I see two outcome on Tuesday 5th Nov. In some vision Harris win with a short margine and in others Trump win with a landslide.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I've been looking in my crystal ball and I see two outcome on Tuesday 5th Nov. In some vision Harris win with a short margine and in others Trump win with a landslide.

Markus


It will be a tight race, but polling shows Trump far better off in the same battle ground states then he was with Biden. IMO it will come down to the state of PA calling the win. WI and MI will not play a part. Trump will take PA.

[mapuc]

It will be a tight race, but polling shows Trump far better off in the same battle ground states then he was with Biden. IMO it will come down to the state of PA calling the win. WI and MI will not play a part. Trump will take PA.

A tight race-Made me remember the battle between Gore and Bush Snr. Where the Florida result was sent to a court.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

A tight race-Made me remember the battle between Gore and Bush Snr. Where the Florida result was sent to a court.

Markus

Hanging chad.

[AVGWarhawk]

Great job Dominion. Another programming problem nationwide. One would think they would get their crap together after the last election. Nope, to busy sueing anyone they can.


https://youtu.be/p0mmBrrZLvw?si=jYPmucILQNY1Px3h

[Catfish]

It is like a Bollywood film and seeing the audience is taking it all serious.

[Buddahaid]

Great job Dominion. Another programming problem nationwide. One would think they would get their crap together after the last election. Nope, to busy sueing anyone they can.

And winning.

[AVGWarhawk]

And winning.

Not to worry. Forthcoming suits with their faulty programming is in the horizon. You see, FAUX news just may have been right....

I love the blind eye you have for a voting system that is still broken after 4 years. But that is the Democratic way afterall. ��

[Jimbuna]

Trump Files $10 Billion Lawsuit Against CBS News Over Deceptive Editing in Harris’ ‘60 Minutes’ Interview

Former President Donald Trump has initiated a $10 billion lawsuit against CBS News, alleging the network engaged in "deceptive editing" during Vice President Kamala Harris' interview on 60 Minutes. This legal action, filed on Thursday, claims that CBS's actions were aimed at interfering with the electoral process, particularly as the contentious 2024 Presidential Election approaches.

Allegations of Bias and Distortion
Donald Trump's attorneys assert that the complaint stems from what they describe as "CBS's biased and unlawful actions regarding election and voter interference." They argue that the network's editing practices significantly distorted the content of the interview, intending to "confuse, mislead, and deceive the public." According to the lawsuit, such actions have caused "immense harm" to Trump, his campaign, and his supporters across the nation.

As the election draws closer, Donald Trump's legal team contends that the alterations in the interview were designed to favor the Democratic Party, particularly given Trump's current lead in the polls. The lawsuit emphasizes the importance of transparent media coverage, asserting that "media outlets have a duty to faithfully convey the truth of events" rather than manipulate content to misrepresent candidates.

Demands for Transparency
Following the broadcast of the 60 Minutes interview, Trump's lawyers requested CBS to disclose the complete transcript, noting that the segment presented two differing responses from Kamala Harris to the same inquiry. They also asked CBS to retain all documents and communications related to the interview, anticipating a possible legal dispute. CBS, however, declined to release the full transcript, citing First Amendment protections, and maintained that the interview was not altered in a misleading manner.

Contentions Over Editing
The lawsuit specifically cites an exchange between Harris and 60 Minutes correspondent Bill Whitaker. In a preview clip that was broadcast on "Face the Nation," Kamala Harris was questioned regarding the apparent lack of attentiveness from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu towards the United States.

"Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by, or a result of, many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region."

Kamala Harris faced ridicule from conservatives for providing an extensive and convoluted response to Whitaker. However, when the same question was posed the next evening during the primetime election special, the vice president delivered a more concise and targeted answer. "We are not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end."

Implications for Media Integrity
The lawsuit highlights broader concerns regarding media integrity and the portrayal of political figures. Donald Trump's legal team emphasizes that the editing of the interview led to public confusion about Kamala Harris's competence, suggesting that the manipulation of her responses creates an unfair narrative around her capabilities as a candidate.

The implications of this lawsuit extend beyond Trump and Harris, touching on the media's role in shaping public perception during a pivotal election. As Trump seeks a jury trial and a minimum of $10 billion in damages, the case raises critical questions about accountability in journalism and the responsibilities of news organizations to present truthful and unbiased coverage.
https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2024/11/trump-files-10-billion-lawsuit-against-cbs-news-over-deceptive-editing-in-harris-60-minutes-interview/

[u crank]

I love the blind eye you have for a voting system that is still broken after 4 years. But that is the Democratic way afterall. 😂


As I said in a previous post, there seems to be only one reason why people would be against safe and secure elections, mainly proving citizenship. I would like to get an explanation as to why anyone would be against this. Is there is a valid reason for opposing voter ID? And I would say that if Democrats believed that people were illegally voting for the GOP things would probably be different.

[Catfish]

All ignoring Vienna's post and dumping the same tiresome garbage again and again.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2931239&postcount=10346

[AVGWarhawk]

As I said in a previous post, there seems to be only one reason why people would be against safe and secure elections, mainly proving citizenship. I would like to get an explanation as to why anyone would be against this. Is there is a valid reason for opposing voter ID? And I would say that if Democrats believed that people were illegally voting for the GOP things would probably be different.

Because a vote can be bought. We got you here over the border. Food, clothing, medical, housing....you owe us your vote. Even if you are not a full citizen yet, you get to vote...FOR ME CAUSE I DID ALL OF THIS FOR YOU. This has been going on for ages. The promise of money or things for your vote. Bring in a million illegals. Give them everything. They will vote for he hand that is feeding them.

[u crank]

All ignoring Vienna's post and dumping the same tiresome garbage again and again.


Who says anybody is ignoring his posts? In your country and mine some kind of proof is required to vote. Are you against that? If not then why is it unreasonable to ask for that in all US states? What possible reason could there be for not requiring proof of citizenship?

[Buddahaid]

As I said in a previous post, there seems to be only one reason why people would be against safe and secure elections, mainly proving citizenship. I would like to get an explanation as to why anyone would be against this. Is there is a valid reason for opposing voter ID? And I would say that if Democrats believed that people were illegally voting for the GOP things would probably be different.

Because voting is secure already. I would also point out that the majority of republican voters live outside urban areas where voting in person is easier than in dense urban areas where a majority of democrats reside.

Republican led voter purges also throw out legally registered voters before the vote while validation of suspected illegally cast votes just catches the illegal votes and is one reason why there is ten days after the vote deadline for certification.

And for the record, I do believe people vote illegally for the GOP. Many have been arrested and prosecuted.

[u crank]

Because voting is secure already.

I think that is a ridiculous statement. How can anybody prove that it is secure if anybody can vote without proof of who they are? Why not end this problem/criticism by simply requiring proof of citizenship. In Canada we have that requirement and it does not cost the voter a dime. Everyone has ID. It is not in any way a burden to the voter or the regulating authorities. Most of the states that require no document to vote are controlled by Democrats. Coincidence?

[mapuc]

I could provide you with a 3-5 minutes report from the Danish news channel-But then we have the problem with the understanding.

'cause then you would hear the Journalist saying-
'The country is severe divided. It has been so for many years, so it's not Trump's fault.'

In this video clip they even interviewet some elderly men who was part of some militia group. One of them said

'You can't rely on our sitting government and our Vice President-She is the one who shall approve the result of the election and if Trump wins she will refuse to acknowledge this result.'

Markus

[ET2SN]

'You can't rely on our sitting government and our Vice President-She is the one who shall approve the result of the election and if Trump wins she will refuse to acknowledge this result.'


I doubt this would happen, but wouldn't it be a p##ser if it did? :har:

[mapuc]

I doubt this would happen, but wouldn't it be a p##ser if it did? :har:

Of course it's not going to happen-If Trump win the election she will as sitting VP acknowledge the result.

I don't have the imagination to imagine what would happen if she reject the outcome of the election(if Trump should win).

Markus

[Catfish]

[...] In your country and mine some kind of proof is required to vote. Are you against that? If not then why is it unreasonable to ask for that in all US states? What possible reason could there be for not requiring proof of citizenship?
I was relating my post to the conspiracy theory that all political sides in the US try to steal votes and do that all the time. While it seems only Trump stated that votes were "stolen" just because he did not become president last time.

No i am not against proving your identity when voting, indeed me/myself/I think it should be mandatory to make sure, just how is the question.
On the other hand it seems elections and voting (including counting the votes) is
a) already safe in the US
b) most americans do not want a voter ID because it could hamper their freedom, like the possibility to find out for companies (like "Cambridge Analytica" (https://netzpolitik-org.translate.goog/2018/cambridge-analytica-was-wir-ueber-das-groesste-datenleck-in-der-geschichte-von-facebook-wissen/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) said to be connected to the Trump win and brexit) who voted for what, and change the outcome. And this is indeed a reason for concern
c) it is not my right to lecture americans what to do (while I certainly would like lol)

Last not least a lot of conspiracy theories be it political or economical or whatever are created by Russia, China, you name it, trying to intervene and posting all kind of bullsh!t by bots and those hacker teams, to make other nations' people insecure and divide them.
We should be better than falling for this.
While we should keep an eye on abuse, our systems are not that bad.

[Dargo]

Do not understand why you will not use an ID to vote but gladly drive in a car where an ID is mandatory, where is your freedom then.

[Jeff-Groves]

Actually, an ID to drive is only needed if you get pulled over.
:haha:
Then it has to be a Drivers License! You know there's lot's of Drivers with NO license out there now.

[Dargo]

Actually, an ID to drive is only needed if you get pulled over.
:haha:
Then it has to be a Drivers License! You know there's lot's of Drivers with NO license out there now.Driver's Licence is an ID and no it is needed if you are the driver, you really think an insurance company will pay your made damage in case of an accident.

[u crank]

No i am not against proving your identity when voting, indeed me/myself/I think it should be mandatory to make sure, just how is the question.


Well I am glad to hear you say that. Personally I don't think there is voter fraud on a scale that would tip an election. But that is not the point. If I am a citizen I do not want non citizens, especially those who are here illegally partaking in that process. They haven't earned that right. I don't think that is too much to ask. One thing I would bet on though is this. If Democrats thought for even a second that illegals were voting Republican you would have voter ID laws in every blue state.

[August]

The way the Dems are using mail in early voting is not by creating fictitious voters, although I'm sure some of that goes on like the infamous Dem tactic of getting the dead to vote.

What I believe really makes a difference is vote harvesting.

It's been noted in many previous elections that apparent enthusiasm on the campaign trail doesn't always equal a voter actually showing up at the polls on election day to cast a vote for the chosen candidate. Younger voters are especially prone to this, being easily distracted and undisciplined enough to just blow off all that work that used to be required to actually go and vote ("standing in line with squares, what a drag man"). Others are too busy or too drunk or too stoned, too crazy, or just plain too lazy to put in all that time and effort. It's a sizable percentage.

Mail in voting on the other hand eliminates all of that and allows all those lost votes to be harvested with complete efficiency.

The way vote harvesting works is the party sends out an army of operatives armed with ballots or ballot applications depending on the state. They canvas areas that they control, in the Dems case urban areas, college campus', community centers, homeless shelters, drug rehabs, housing projects, just about anywhere they can get signatures, maybe even from people who don't know or care what they are being asked to do.

Basically their targets just need to supply a name, an address (whether or not they actually live there) and a signature, which in most dem states cannot by law be validated, and the operative takes care of the rest, making sure that all of the ballots he's collected get dropped off at the polls or, in dem states, at unattended ballot drop off points in the dead of night.

"Handling the paperwork" like that is of course illegal but also extremely difficult to prove and even more difficult to prevent those ill gotten votes once submitted from being counted in the election. You might be able to identify some number of invalid ballots after the fact but since voting is secret you cannot say how many voted for one candidate or the other therefore they cannot be deducted from the vote totals.

Harvesting can and I believe has been enough to tip recent elections in certain states. Pennsylvania and Illinois most likely. The only possible response, short of somehow returning most voting to in-person vote on a paper ballot cast at a monitored polling place, is for the Repubes to play the same harvesting game as well or better than the Dems are doing. Now there are a lot more GoP early voters this cycle than before so maybe they are finally waking up but I'm not so sure it isn't just a case of getting voters who would have shown up at the polls on election day anyways to do it early or by mail. Plus one, minus one does not equal two.

[mapuc]

This translated article from the Danish tv-channel tv2 made me sad-Our politicians in EU should know better than sticking their nose into other countries business such as the American election


European green parties have united in a joint call to get Jill Stein, the presidential candidate for the US. Green Party, to abandon presidential dreams and support Kamala Harris.

- It is clear that Kamala Harris is the only one who can block Donald Trump and his anti-democratic, authoritarian policies from reaching the White House, reads, among other things, the statement, which has been shared with the American media Politico before publication.

Jill Stein is on the ballot in almost every US state and is between 1.1% and 1.4% in polls, which could cost Kamala Harris crucial votes.

Among the green parties in Europe that have signed the declaration is also the Danish SF.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Driver's Licence is an ID and no it is needed if you are the driver, you really think an insurance company will pay your made damage in case of an accident.
You really think someone without a license doesn't drive anyway?
Hell. I went 10 YEARS without a drivers license! Didn't stop me from driving.
Sure I paid a few fines for getting caught but I just kept on driving!

[Skybird]

You really think someone without a license doesn't drive anyway?
Hell. I went 10 YEARS without a drivers license! Didn't stop me from driving.
Sure I paid a few fines for getting caught but I just kept on driving!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Q3MR94-XU

[Catfish]

^ I guess even this fellow Markus had a driver's licence :D

Regarding US law I just looked it up: Yes you need a driver's licence. It is an offense in all US states to drive without one.

" [...] A driver license isn’t about taxation and limiting travel; it’s a verification that the holder has at least a minimal understanding of the shared rules that keep us safe on the roads.

Freedom to travel and driver license requirements are really two distinct concepts that the anti-license folks have conflated.

The no-license-needed crowd will try to convince you that all you need during a traffic stop is a clearly articulated explanation to convince the police officer that all his legal training was wrong, that he’s really just a pawn of a corrupt taxation scheme, and that it’s in his best interest to just let you go.

If you try that approach, good luck with that. A strong belief in an incorrect understanding of the law won’t help in court if the entire judicial system disagrees with you."

https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/traffic/rules-of-the-road/article226013995.html

Being a bit of rebellious myself, I say this is a shame :D

[August]

A drivers license was created to ensure a motorist is qualified to operate the vehicle. The license card, just like any other license, membership or other ID card, is created to be a holders proof of that qualification to show to those who need to know that it exists.

Now it has become much more than that, including a general internal passport to travel on public transportation, a permission slip to purchase things and what you show when the authorities demand that you "show us your papers!".

Same thing with social security numbers. They were originally intended to be like a bank account number, semi private and used only for purposes of administering the ss system.

It has now become a general person numbering system and is used for everything from credit card applications to gym memberships to a soldiers serial number, as in "only give your name, rank, Social Security number, and date of birth to the enemy if captured". Uses that had nothing to do with the social security system and which it was specifically promised not to be used for when the system was first introduced.

[vienna]

Great job Dominion. Another programming problem nationwide. One would think they would get their crap together after the last election. Nope, to busy sueing anyone they can.


https://youtu.be/p0mmBrrZLvw?si=jYPmucILQNY1Px3h

Oh, wow...such pearl clutching...

First of all, the problem is definitely not nationwide; so far, only the State of Michigan has raised the issue, and, even then, it only affects some of the counties in the state; the problem arise because Michigan is one of only a handful of states that permit "straight party" (aka "straight ticket") voting which allows a voter to just check a single party selection and all the candidates on the ballot from that party will be marked as voted for on the voter's ballot; for example, if you want to "straight party vote for the GOP, you make one, single selection for that party and any GOP candidates appearing on the ballot will be marked with your vote automatically; the problem in Michigan is some of the Dominion machines are not set up to allow a voter to change a single vote for a single candidate to one outside of their "straight Party" selection(s), meaning, if you voted "straight party" for the GOP but felt that a GOP candidate on the ballot was not suitable and wanted to change your vote, the Dominion machine wasn't allowing the change; in Michigan, a voter who tries to vote "straight party" and changes his mind on single candidate(s) will have to void his "straight party" selection and vote for each office individually, as is the normal practice in almost all elections; the flaw is not really Dominion's fault but, rather, a situation caused by a quirk in Michigan's electoral process; some voters may be inconvenienced by not being able to fully use "straight party" voting, but their votes will be accepted and tallied when they vote the 'normal' way; remember, the only people who will be inconvenienced are those who want to vote "straight party" but, for some reason, do not wish to vote for their party's candidate in particular single races...


Michigan Warns of Issue With Some Dominion Voting Machines --

https://www.newsweek.com/michigan-warns-issue-some-dominion-voting-machines-1977909


I personally think the so-called "straight party/ticket" concept is a throwback to the days of party machine politics and political bosses; it is also the lazy person's means of voting and bespeaks of a diminished involvement in the political process; if your not going to make the effort to even ask questions about the candidates who appear on your ballot, maybe its just as well you don't even bother to vote...

So, no nationwide problem, no voters being disenfranchised, no fraud involved, no rigging, just business as usual with a little tiny hiccup...


You can unclutch your pearls now...




<O>

[vienna]

The way the Dems are using mail in early voting is not by creating fictitious voters, although I'm sure some of that goes on like the infamous Dem tactic of getting the dead to vote.

What I believe really makes a difference is vote harvesting.

It's been noted in many previous elections that apparent enthusiasm on the campaign trail doesn't always equal a voter actually showing up at the polls on election day to cast a vote for the chosen candidate. Younger voters are especially prone to this, being easily distracted and undisciplined enough to just blow off all that work that used to be required to actually go and vote ("standing in line with squares, what a drag man"). Others are too busy or too drunk or too stoned, too crazy, or just plain too lazy to put in all that time and effort. It's a sizable percentage.

Mail in voting on the other hand eliminates all of that and allows all those lost votes to be harvested with complete efficiency.

The way vote harvesting works is the party sends out an army of operatives armed with ballots or ballot applications depending on the state. They canvas areas that they control, in the Dems case urban areas, college campus', community centers, homeless shelters, drug rehabs, housing projects, just about anywhere they can get signatures, maybe even from people who don't know or care what they are being asked to do.

Basically their targets just need to supply a name, an address (whether or not they actually live there) and a signature, which in most dem states cannot by law be validated, and the operative takes care of the rest, making sure that all of the ballots he's collected get dropped off at the polls or, in dem states, at unattended ballot drop off points in the dead of night.

"Handling the paperwork" like that is of course illegal but also extremely difficult to prove and even more difficult to prevent those ill gotten votes once submitted from being counted in the election. You might be able to identify some number of invalid ballots after the fact but since voting is secret you cannot say how many voted for one candidate or the other therefore they cannot be deducted from the vote totals.

Harvesting can and I believe has been enough to tip recent elections in certain states. Pennsylvania and Illinois most likely. The only possible response, short of somehow returning most voting to in-person vote on a paper ballot cast at a monitored polling place, is for the Repubes to play the same harvesting game as well or better than the Dems are doing. Now there are a lot more GoP early voters this cycle than before so maybe they are finally waking up but I'm not so sure it isn't just a case of getting voters who would have shown up at the polls on election day anyways to do it early or by mail. Plus one, minus one does not equal two.

The counter to the above about 'ballot harvesting' is simply it is a means available to all parties; do the DEMs use it to a large extent? Yes, they do.; are the GOP denied the same access to the practice? No, they are not.; for some situations, ballot harvesting has been useful to those seeking to ensure broader enfranchisement in the potential voting populace; if the DEMs are succeeding, maybe the GOP ought to step up their game; you really can't complain about the other team scoring more points if you are not prepared to fully engage in the game...

Then there is this: for all the whining and bitching about 'ballot harvesting' by the GOP, they have yet to establish a single instance of the practice having any material effect on the outcome of any major election; when pressed to provide evidence to back up their claim, just like when the GOP make broad claims about "massive voter fraud", etc., the GOP is unable to give concrete evidence to back up their claims; it seems again the GOP is seeking to solve problems that don't exist...




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[mapuc]

Have noticed that some of you are very much pessimistic when it comes to the way some States are handling the voting system and I have noticed that some of you are very much optimistic to the way some States are handling the voting system.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Have noticed that some of you are very much pessimistic when it comes to the way some States are handling the voting system and I have noticed that some of you are very much optimistic to the way some States are handling the voting system.

Markus

Because Trump and MAGA live in a bubble that claims the only way they can lose is if there's cheating. Trump can't accept he is a loser ever and won't this time either when women tell him go back to the hole you climbed out of.

[Skybird]

If this were Star Trek, they would ring not Red but Orange Alert. :D


https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/31/trump-lagging-early-votes-seniors-pennsylvania-00186612

[u crank]

Because Trump and MAGA live in a bubble that claims the only way they can lose is if there's cheating. Trump can't accept he is a loser ever and won't this time either when women tell him go back to the hole you climbed out of.

Relax man. You almost sound hysterical. Don't worry, it will all be over soon. Life will go on.:O:

[AVGWarhawk]

Because Trump and MAGA live in a bubble that claims the only way they can lose is if there's cheating. Trump can't accept he is a loser ever and won't this time either when women tell him go back to the hole you climbed out of.

PA voting system is ripe with flaws that can lead to cheating. Take the time look it up. Time for you to check the size of your bubble. You can start here.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/pennsylvania-voting-laws-certification-lawsuits-rcna178478

[Ostfriese]

Have noticed that some of you are very much pessimistic when it comes to the way some States are handling the voting system and I have noticed that some of you are very much optimistic to the way some States are handling the voting system.

Markus


As the thread has proven you only need to throw enough lies at people, more than enough will stick.

[Skybird]

When all and everything is covered with lies, dont ruin its glossy surface with allowing a hair of truth on it.

[Shadowblade]

hope he will save them ...

https://i.ibb.co/0F3bk6q/Trump-saves-animals.jpg

[Skybird]

Tree squirrels do not carry rabies, they are no predatory species, and if they get bitten by an infected predator they would not survive it even if they escape the attack, the injury would kill them by secondary infections due to their small size. For exmaple, cat bites are practically always lethal for squirrels even if they survive the intial attack. In Germany, Europe and the USA, there is not a single documented case of a squirrel bite or scratch causing rabies in a human. And this although the US has I think half a dozen different tree squirrel species, Germany and Europe just one.

There is no example for a documented case of a squirrel with rabies. NOWHERE EVER.

In Germany and most parts of Europe there are even recommendations by the national health authorities, to never vaccinate against rabies after a squirrel bite (which is possible within a certain time frame), as the risks of vaccination clearly outweigh the benefits - since there are no benefits (after squirrel bites).

Squirrels can transmit some diseases and parasites to humans, but this is very, very rare. Some of them can become dangerous, but that is much rarer. Personally, I would be much more concerned about contact with rabbits, hares or wild birds.

The authorities' actions were hysterical bollocks and now they are trying to talk their way out of it.

Racoons are something different. Rabies in wildlife can be successfully fought and broght to nil, Germany proved it with its totally infested fox population during the 70s and 80s. All German foxes today and all of German ground-living animals are free of rabies today, since 20+ years. The method was not even hunting them down, but vaccination by bait laying.

I would wish political and ideological rabies could be fought by vaccinated bait laying, too.

[AVGWarhawk]

hope he will save them ...

https://i.ibb.co/0F3bk6q/Trump-saves-animals.jpg

Justice for PNUT. Totally ridiculous what happened.

[Shadowblade]

Justice for PNUT. Totally ridiculous what happened.

I agree. I dont see how this could help anyone.

[Buddahaid]

Relax man. You almost sound hysterical. Don't worry, it will all be over soon. Life will go on.:O:

No time to relax I'm starting to revert....
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/4281/sl7vyo.png

[u crank]

No time to relax I'm starting to revert....

:har:

Go for it man. It is a short go round. Have fun.

:D

[Catfish]

Just saw a documentation about the US election 2020..
Anyone remembers Alex Jones and Roger Stone?
Will this happen again, if Harris wins?

[Shadowblade]

Last time when Trump won there was TV broadcast on our public TV and there was mood like at funeral in TV studio.
(we have to pay this public TV (mandatory fees) for the public TV to stay "independent, impartial, balanced and objective" :D )
I am wondering if it will happen again :)

[Jeff-Groves]

Last time when Trump won there was TV broadcast on our public TV and there was mood like at funeral in TV studio.
I am wondering if it will happen again :)

I'm waiting to see (if Trump wins) how many people actually leave the USA.
Not to mention how our favorite Harris supporter reacts.

Nothing like watching the Circus in this thread for entertainment!
:har:

[Shadowblade]

I'm waiting to see (if Trump wins) how many people actually leave the USA.
Not to mention how our favorite Harris supporter reacts.

Nothing like watching the Circus in this thread for entertainment!
:har:




yeah, I remember when it was last time when celebrities were claiming that would leave USA after Trump's victory :D
It was very funny.

[Dowly]

https://i.imgur.com/tjZRSKz.png

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/zGwk82W4/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Skybird]

The aftermath of this election will turn ugly, little doubt on that. Especially Trump has prepared the ground in advance for his "they stole the election" narration in case he loses. On TV they said voting results could be contested at court in up to 19 states, in worst case. :o

Question is whether the rifles will stay in the locker. On TV they said over 60% of Republican party members hold gun licences, and 40% of Democrats, and the latter is just since recently, in a reaction to recent years. - Armed mobs were seen at voting points already the last time.

Possible there will be a new president in January. But certain it is not. It could be months, if things run really bad. And its not even especially unlikely.

No matter the results, I already now offer my condolences. This election will know no winner, only a big looser - the people.

[Jimbuna]

No matter the results, I already now offer my condolences. This election will know no winner, only a big looser - the people.

Rgr that and it was no surprise to see security fencing being erected outside the White House yesterday and reports of the National Guard being put on alert.

[AVGWarhawk]

Really hoping to see a Hillary 2.0


https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-12/4/6/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web10/sub-buzz-32469-1480850117-2.png

[Shadowblade]

Really hoping to see a Hillary 2.0





yeah, losing and running into the woods :D

[AVGWarhawk]

Last time when Trump won there was TV broadcast on our public TV and there was mood like at funeral in TV studio.
(we have to pay this public TV (mandatory fees) for the public TV to stay "independent, impartial, balanced and objective" :D )
I am wondering if it will happen again :)

I hope to see this again:

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/01/captureno1.png?w=883

[August]

Rgr that and it was no surprise to see security fencing being erected outside the White House yesterday and reports of the National Guard being put on alert.


:roll:

[Jimbuna]

:roll:

:roll: Indeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7UQQvWmDpw

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w8XyXUK-Gi4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cj9nvoZapM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Rj7StEaIg

[AVGWarhawk]

:roll: Indeed


The same was done in 2020 and at other times. Really nothing new here.

[Catfish]

Quote from an american friend:
"The world is full of crazies. And tomorrow we will know whether Americans want to draw level with the Putins, Kims, you name it of this world. Hard to watch all this being sober."
Good advice. Popcorn and beer is ready, so let it come :yeah:

[Buddahaid]

https://www.shutupandtakemymoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/heres-what-we-know-so-far-election-2020-scribble-map-meme.jpg

[August]

The same was done in 2020 and at other times. Really nothing new here.


Of course not but it gets the foreigners all up in a tizzy it seems.

[Catfish]

^ Then stop your f'n hegemony and set the "foreigners" free you do not care about anyway. Problem is the US have 287 bases in Germany, so we are still occupied. Time for a change. Maybe if Trump cancels the NATO there may be some :O:

[u crank]

Quote from an american friend:
"The world is full of crazies. And tomorrow we will know whether Americans want to draw level with the Putins, Kims, you name it of this world. Hard to watch all this being sober."
Good advice. Popcorn and beer is ready, so let it come :yeah:

Yea I plan on having a few. What a show.

:()1:

[August]

^ Then stop your f'n hegemony and set the "foreigners" free you do not care about anyway. Problem is the US have 287 bases in Germany, so we are still occupied. Time for a change. Maybe if Trump cancels the NATO there may be some :O:


Hmm, under our "occupation" you've enjoyed the longest period of peace and prosperity that your bloody little corner of Europe has ever known since the dawn of recorded history. But i'm totally down with with you on closing our bases and getting our troops out of Germany. They'd be better positioned east, in Poland, Norway, the Baltics etc, closer to NATOs front lines.

[Catfish]

Let's say if this happens after a Trump victory I am all for it. Good riddance.

[August]

Let's say if this happens after a Trump victory I am all for it. Good riddance.


Just like the NATO dues your country never pays eh? :03:

[August]

Because Trump and MAGA live in a bubble that claims the only way they can lose is if there's cheating. Trump can't accept he is a loser ever and won't this time either when women tell him go back to the hole you climbed out of.


:)


https://i.imgur.com/hVzTYe3.jpg

[Skybird]

So it looks as if eight decades after the seize firing, Berlin has finally been defeated completely. :D

[Shadowblade]

I was just checking news this morning
and saw that Trump survived elections and won :)
(I had to go sleep soon because of my work and couldnt wait for results)

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61FmyO0+FZL._AC_.jpg

[Skybird]

No matter the results, I already now offer my condolences.
I stand by my word. Happy condolences. :03: Surprised I am not, I absolutely thought it to be possible, but I am surprised by how clear it seems to have been.

The light on German streets is like after a fresh blanket of snow. This is because all the faces have become dazzlingly pale. :D

[Exocet25fr]

CHAMPAGNE.....!:up:

[Catfish]

Just like the NATO dues your country never pays eh? :03:
We paid, but not enough. But don't you worry, Nato is toast now.

[AVGWarhawk]

Game over.

[Shadowblade]

We paid, but not enough. But don't you worry, Nato is toast now.

well, I thought that Trump just wants from other NATO members pay their agreed part
which sounds fair

[Catfish]

Trump has for years inaccurately described how NATO funding works. NATO has a target that each member country spends a minimum of 2% of gross domestic product on defense, and most countries are not meeting that target. But the figure is a guideline and not a binding contract, nor does it create “bills”; member countries haven’t been failing to pay their share of NATO’s common budget to run the organization.

"Trump says he would encourage Russia to ‘do whatever the hell they want’ to any NATO country that doesn’t pay enough"
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-russia-nato/index.html

But then "With rising U.S. debt, flagging military recruiting, and a defense industrial base that can't keep up with the challenge from both Russia and China", where is the alternative?
Even Kamala Harris would most probably have stopped support for Ukraine.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/02/nato-second-trump-term-00164517

During the campaign, Trump made it clear that he opposes arming Ukraine and considers Kyiv at least partially responsible for Russia's invasion.
When I win the elections "I will end the war in one day", he said. In this situation it will be a win for Russia – which will come back stronger in a decade for the baltic states and Poland.

"The right response for Europe is not to cry publicly, but to take a deep breath and return with a wise plan for rebalancing in NATO to save it" Jakub Janda, director of the European Values Center for Security Policy in Prague, said Wednesday.

And our glorious german chancellors, from Merkel to Scholz, did and do nothing defense-wise. God knows where all this money went, but as Scholz said "I cannot remember." Funny how the west and the EU criticizes Ukraine for corruption when it's the same here.

[Moonlight]

If they can keep "The Donald" off of Twitter he might be a lot better President than he was the last time.

[Ostfriese]

If they can keep "The Donald" off of Twitter he might be a lot better President than he was the last time.


If the Titanic had arrived in New York nobody would have drowned.

[Bilge_Rat]

https://x.com/RealMattCouch/status/1854048858642227550


4 more years! :()1:

[Skybird]

Game over.
Quite the opposite! Release date for Sea Power is Novembre 12th! Game begins! :up:

[Jimbuna]

The same was done in 2020 and at other times. Really nothing new here.

Didn't realise that Chris and your civility doesn't go unnoticed :salute:

[AVGWarhawk]

https://www.shutupandtakemymoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/heres-what-we-know-so-far-election-2020-scribble-map-meme.jpg



It was a hard fought race. Today, major media has died. No one is buying their BS any longer. They are no longer trusted. In short, these outfits need to change their tune. But they will not. It is all they know. This campaign really painted a picture of this country. The divide. And the divide is not due to race, sexism or ideology. I think many voted with the pocketbook and values.

[AVGWarhawk]

Quite the opposite! Release date for Sea Power is Novembre 12th! Game begins! :up:

That is a new game!

[AVGWarhawk]

Didn't realise that Chris and your civility doesn't go unnoticed :salute:

In all reality, since 9/11, many barriers remain around major government installations/office buildings located in DC. From my understand the fences were up at the Capitol Jan 6. The Capitol police opened the gates letting people in.

[Bilge_Rat]

So even yesterday, I thought the odds were only 50/50. The polls actually all pointed to a Trump victory if you took the time to analyze them, but voter turnout on election day can often tip the scale in a tight race.

Looking through the results state by state, Trump's victory is pretty decisive. Even taking into account the uncounted ballots, there is no credible path to a theoretical Harris victory.

Plus even if the Harris team was weighing its legal options (which I am convinced they are), Trump's margin of victory is wide enough in the close swing states that it would impossible for her to win, so I doubt they will challenge the election. I expect we will hear a Harris concession speech today.

[AVGWarhawk]

So even yesterday, I thought the odds were only 50/50. The polls actually all pointed to a Trump victory if you took the time to analyze them, but voter turnout on election day can often tip the scale in a tight race.

Looking through the results state by state, Trump's victory is pretty decisive. Even taking into account the uncounted ballots, there is no credible path to a theoretical Harris victory.

Plus even if the Harris team was weighing its legal options (which I am convinced they are), Trump's margin of victory is wide enough in the close swing states that it would impossible for her to win, so I doubt they will challenge the election. I expect we will hear a Harris concession speech today.


What does this tell us(particularly me)? The media can not always make the candidate. In the polling thread I stated Harris to win as she has the lying media on her side. As of today, that is not the case.

[AVGWarhawk]

Stock Market has skyrockets!

[les green01]

never go by the polls only thing that matters is end of election night first time trump even won popular vote one thing that help trump a mother on video speaking about how a illegal that was a criminal in his country came here rape and murder a 9 year old girl think 200 feet from her home even the legal Latinos say there was a problem at the border should tell people something

[AVGWarhawk]

never go by the polls only thing that matters is end of election night first time trump even won popular vote one thing that help trump a mother on video speaking about how a illegal that was a criminal in his country came here rape and murder a 9 year old girl think 200 feet from her home even the legal Latinos say there was a problem at the border should tell people something

I would believe that but I did follow one person who called it almost to the letter.

Election Time on Youtube. He was dead on.

[em2nought]

P'Nut saved the day! lol

[AVGWarhawk]

P'Nut saved the day! lol

I'm still seeking justice for PNUT and Freddy.

[Threadfin]

Problem is the US have 287 bases in Germany, so we are still occupied. Time for a change.


Is this a serious comment? I haven't read the recent posts and don't know if this is some sort of inside joke or running gag.


If this is said in sober sincerity, then I hope you get your wish to regain your nation's sovereignty from the imperial Americans. Germany is well positioned to do so, right?

[Skybird]

I'm still seeking justice for PNUT and Freddy.
No, revenge feels so much better! :arrgh!:

[AVGWarhawk]

No, revenge feels so much better! :arrgh!:

Whatever it takes. I have a family of gray squirrels I feed everyday. When I heard about this nonsense it boiled my blood.

Here is my feedbox


https://youtu.be/B5JejsNehcA?si=3dJfMb3PMlJ4Ow8y

[Buddahaid]

Stock Market has skyrockets!

Let's see how happy everyone is a year or two from now. Trump can't blame a bad economy on anyone but himself after this, well he can and will, but it's still all on him.

[AVGWarhawk]

Let's see how happy everyone is a year or two from now. Trump can't blame a bad economy on anyone but himself after this, well he can and will, but it's still all on him.

Is this the same old playbook Harris spoke about? If it happens...so be it. It appears the nations/world(for those that diversify) see things differently than you. He won the popular vote. The speaks volumes.

[Commander Wallace]

Whatever it takes. I have a family of gray squirrels I feed everyday. When I heard about this nonsense it boiled my blood.

Here is my feedbox


https://youtu.be/B5JejsNehcA?si=3dJfMb3PMlJ4Ow8y




What happened with Pnut was tyranny at it's worst. Squirrels have a life expectancy of about a year or two. This guy had Pnut for about 7. That says it all. Also, 6-8 officers decended on his residence to " liberate " this Squirrel and Raccoon and test them for rabies. I suspect someone just wanted Pnut for themselves since he was a youtube star.

[u crank]

I just realized that the Democrats ran the first and second women for President and Trump beat the both of them.

:D:D:D

[AVGWarhawk]

What happened with Pnut was tyranny at it's worst. Squirrels have a life expectancy of about a year or two. This guy had Pnut for about 7. That says it all. Also, 6-8 officers decended on his residence to " liberate " this Squirrel and Raccoon and test them for rabies. I suspect someone just wanted Pnut for themselves since he was a youtube star.

Yeah, I heard it was a raid. I mean really, was the squirrel and owner going to be fending of the law?

[August]

Yeah, I heard it was a raid. I mean really, was the squirrel and owner going to be fending of the law?


My wife is convinced that they did it because the owner was a white male and possibly a Trump voter too. Not that I disagree but I pointed out that such petty official oppression exists regardless of who is in the oval office.

[AVGWarhawk]

My wife is convinced that they did it because the owner was a white male and possibly a Trump voter too. Not that I disagree but I pointed out that such petty official oppression exists regardless of who is in the oval office.

If the guy was not on Tik Tok it probably would not have happened. A "Karen" reported him from my understanding. I mean honestly, what was this caring for a squirrel and raccoon doing to this Karen?

[Commander Wallace]

If the guy was not on Tik Tok it probably would not have happened. A "Karen" reported him from my understanding. I mean honestly, what was this caring for a squirrel and raccoon doing to this Karen?

Honestly Chris, some people aren't happy unles they are complaining about something. If these same people had nothing to complain about, they would complain about that. August called it " petty official oppression " which is a good term for it. With all the Issues this Country is facing, It hardly takes 6-8 Officers to ransack this guy's home and terrorize him and his family. I would like to know what it cost in terms of manpower to take this guy's Squirrel.

My thoughts, leave the guy and his Squirrel alone. Sadly, It's too late for that now.

[AVGWarhawk]

Honestly Chris, some people aren't happy unles they are complaining about something. If these same people had nothing to complain about, they would complain about that. August called it " petty official oppression " which is a good term for it. With all the Issues this Country is facing, It hardly takes 6-8 Officers to ransack this guy's home. I would like to know what it cost in terms of manpower to take this guy's Squirrel.

My thoughts, leave the guy and his Squirrel alone. Sadly, It's too late for that now.

I understand the questioned the guys wife and being her legally. I think she is from Germany. Total overreach by wildlife wanna be cops.

[Jeff-Groves]

Pretty crappy that the Powers that Be would kill a squirrel BORN in the USA.
But give money and other stuff to Illegals invading said Country.
:doh:

Oh. About the fences put up around the White House.
That's to keep the Criminals in!

[Catfish]

Is this a serious comment? I haven't read the recent posts and don't know if this is some sort of inside joke or running gag. :D it was meant tongue in cheek, but with some bitter truth.
If this is said in sober sincerity, then I hope you get your wish to regain your nation's sovereignty from the imperial Americans. Germany is well positioned to do so, right?
Germany was the economically leading country in Europe and still is, even when there is less growth. As Colonel Reisner of the Austrian army said in one of his excellent videos: When Trump leads the US out of NATO, Europe and Germany has to begin to think about standing on its own feet after 69 years, this is long overdue anyway.

Trump, if one believes in his speeches, has said that he will care for America first (which is fine), with a hint to leave NATO. Even if not he will set a course for isolationism, with less military spending for international policing and for NATO. "With rising U.S. debt, flagging military recruiting, and a defense industrial base that can't keep up with the challenge from both Russia and China", where is the alternative?"

This means a european army and more personnel, and this does not only mean a bit more military spending for Europe, but doing this in a way to make up for the missing US. This will also include own nuclear armament.

The US conducted most of its eastern wars from german ground, even if Germany was not involved, but had no right to say in this matter.
There are a lot of things that have to change.

[Skybird]

What happened with Pnut was tyranny at it's worst. Squirrels have a life expectancy of about a year or two. This guy had Pnut for about 7. That says it all. Also, 6-8 officers decended on his residence to " liberate " this Squirrel and Raccoon and test them for rabies. I suspect someone just wanted Pnut for themselves since he was a youtube star.
1 year...? Not at all!



European red squirrels (sciurus vulgaris) can live 10-12 years in captivity, rarely even up to 14. In the wild (in Germany) 75-80% do not survive the first year, one in ten gets three years old, one in hundred 5 years. 40% of the deaths are caused by car traffic.

US Gray squirrels (sciurus carolinensis) have comparable life expectancies in the wild (varies a lot, depending on the region you look) , but in captivity can live 20 years and sometimes even longer. The record I heard of was 27. But thats not the norm.
I am not sure, but by the looks and size I would say Pnut was a fox squirrel (sciurus niger), its the biggest tree squirrel in North America (there are even bigger ones elsewhere). There are several subspecies that vary in size. In captivity they can become 18-20 years old, in the wild many become 8-12 years old.

Treat you squirrels well. They are neither "tree rats" nor Mayflies. If treated well and being a bit lucky they will live longer than your cat or dog.

"Ein Eichhörnchen bringt Freude in das Leben."

[Jeff-Groves]

USA should step back from Global Cash handouts. It's time to take care of US. Not the rest of the ungrateful Countries. How many other Countries sent aid to
North Carolina after the hurricane there?
:hmmm:

[August]

Trump, if one believes in his speeches, has said that he will care for America first (which is fine), with a hint to leave NATO.

You do realize that neither Trump nor any other US Chief Executive can "leave NATO" right? It takes a supermajority of the Senate or legislation passed by Congress to do that.

Trump just wants you deadbeat Germans to pay your share.

[Skybird]

Honestly Chris, some people aren't happy unles they are complaining about something. If these same people had nothing to complain about, they would complain about that. August called it " petty official oppression " which is a good term for it. With all the Issues this Country is facing, It hardly takes 6-8 Officers to ransack this guy's home and terrorize him and his family. I would like to know what it cost in terms of manpower to take this guy's Squirrel.

My thoughts, leave the guy and his Squirrel alone. Sadly, It's too late for that now.
Some said they were after the racoon in the first, and the squirrel was just the excuse. Different to squirrels, racoons can carry rabies. But I don't know how common it is. But I have respect for the possibility of an animal being infected with rabies, from experience.

[u crank]

How many other Countries sent aid to
North Carolina after the hurricane there?
:hmmm:

I know that we did. Over 700 Canadian linemen, including more than 300 from Atlantic Canada, were sent to North and South Carolina after Hurricane Helene. We like you guys.

:salute:

[Jeff-Groves]

You Guys up North are Great!
:salute:

Sitting here awaiting Kamala's speech. Or should I say word puzzle salad?

Coming soon.
The American Inqusition!
Expected by Nobody since 2020!
:har:

That had to be the only speech I ever heard Her give that made sense.
Had She spoke like that before? She may have won the Election.

[Catfish]

You do realize that neither Trump nor any other US Chief Executive can "leave NATO" right? It takes a supermajority of the Senate or legislation passed by Congress to do that.
Trump just wants you deadbeat Germans to pay your share.
On one hand he has the majority, also in the senate now. Congress remains to be seen.
On the other hand I do not think that Trump will entirely drop out of NATO, no.

Germany has paid its 2 percent in 2024, but it is by far not enough. The "time change" Scholz announced two years ago did not take place. He has to go.

"The mere ratio to a country's gross domestic product (GDP) says little about its real defense performance as a NATO member. Greece, for example, has cut its defense budget several times in recent years and still meets the two percent target - simply because the Greek GDP has continued to fall.

As further proof of the unsuitability of the two percent criterion, is that Germany would quickly meet the target if it fell into a deep economic recession.
Hardly anyone disputes that there are probably better parameters for measuring fair burden-sharing within the alliance - for example, the military units actually made available to the alliance or participation in joint operations."

[Commander Wallace]

Some said they were after the racoon in the first, and the squirrel was just the excuse. Different to squirrels, racoons can carry rabies. But I don't know how common it is. But I have respect for the possibility of an animal being infected with rabies, from experience.


That may well be true. I hadn't heard that. In reality, both animals remained inside and likely had no Rabies based on exposure. No mention was made of any vacinations these animals may or may not have received. Regardless, there were large expeditures in terms of time and Money in paying eight officers over a Squirrel and Raccoon. This is sheer madness and stupidity and over reach at it's worst.

[u crank]

On one hand he has the majority, also in the senate now. Congress remains to be seen.

The Republicans do not have a super majority in Senate. That would be 67 GOP Senators. They only have 52.

[Skybird]

That may well be true. I hadn't heard that. In reality, both animals remained inside and likely had no Rabies based on exposure. No mention was made of any vacinations these animals may or may not have received. Regardless, there were large expeditures in terms of time and Money in paying eight officers over a Squirrel and Raccoon. This is sheer madness and stupidity and over reach at it's worst.
Yes, I do not argue that. However, the adminstrative and financial side of this is not interesting for me as I am no citizen of your country, but I see it from the perspective of the animals - and the human and his help project. Both these command my sympathy.

[Skybird]

Its worth to note that the twisted election system in the US distorts the simple voting behaviour.
While Trump leads currently with roughly 60% of all electors, if you simply count the ballot votes nation-wide you have a slightly different picture, Trump still leads, but currently only with 50.9% of the votes taken, whereas Harris currently is at 47.5%. This indicates that at ordinary citizen level the race was tighter than the official result illustrates. Or in numbers: 67,150,000 votes for Harris currently, 72,002,000 for Trump. 3 results to go at the time of typing this.

Its a strange, antique system build by the situation of the time it was formed in. I know the explanations and excuses, but I do not really buy them, nor am I the first questioning the wisdom in it. Anyway.


The German system btw is not much less "strange". Different, but as weired. I think they make election system this way intentionally, to bypass the idea behind having elections.

[Commander Wallace]

Yes, I do not argue that. However, the adminstrative and financial side of this is not interesting for me as I am no citizen of your country, but I see it from the perspective of the animals - and the human and his help project. Both these command my sympathy.

I can understand and agree with that. I can't help but feel rage that these animals were ripped from from the only home they had ever known and from the only love and care they had ever known as well. This by individuals that couldn't have cared less about these animals. I'm sure the animals felt terrorized as well.

When we had groundhogs undermining the outside barn, I simply trapped them and relocated them to a new home with nice running water stream. I could have easily killed them but respected their life and wanted them to be able live and in peace.

* My apologies everyone if we highjacked this thread during this discussion.*

[Skybird]

On one hand he has the majority, also in the senate now. Congress remains to be seen.
On the other hand I do not think that Trump will entirely drop out of NATO, no.

Germany has paid its 2 percent in 2024, but it is by far not enough. The "time change" Scholz announced two years ago did not take place. He has to go.

"The mere ratio to a country's gross domestic product (GDP) says little about its real defense performance as a NATO member. Greece, for example, has cut its defense budget several times in recent years and still meets the two percent target - simply because the Greek GDP has continued to fall.

As further proof of the unsuitability of the two percent criterion, is that Germany would quickly meet the target if it fell into a deep economic recession.
Hardly anyone disputes that there are probably better parameters for measuring fair burden-sharing within the alliance - for example, the military units actually made available to the alliance or participation in joint operations."
The point is that any nation that spends so little for its defence as to cause self-degrading effects for its defence capabilities like this is the case in Germany, does something wrong, and spends too little.

However, we have another problem, too. Demographics. Compensating for disadvantageous demographics raises the costs since you miust invest in more, better high tech. And as I often said in other threads and as we see in Ukraine, technological advanatges compensate for numerical inferiority only to a certain degree, and then not further.

Trump simplifies with his 2% bill remarks, as he always does, but there is truth in it, fo course. Wemsut invest more,a dn become better and more effective in investing (killing the overboarding bureaucracy, that means). Not for America, or Trump's ego - but for ourselves and our own interest in the first.


I personally guess we need 80% less bureaucracy in the BW, an opening of the forces for foreigners like is practiced in some other NATO countries, maybe evenb a foreign legion component, and a budget in the range of 3.5-4% like during the cold war. Biggest weakness currently is the absence of any effective defence against drones. And what will not make me popular here in Germany: German nuclear weapons, and not under EU control. I am strictly against the EU fielding and commanding its own army. 30+ chefs in the kitchen- the idea is insane . So is to double the costs due to parallel military structres. Europe should grow to take more control in NATO. That gives relief to the US whcih then can focus more on the Pacific. NATO should stay out of Pacific gameplay, however. Its not the Pacific Treaty Organization.

[Otto Harkaman]

All eyes are on us, the American people, standing together at a critical crossroads for our nation. The challenges we face are real and formidable: tensions with Russia, escalating threats from Iran, and the nuclear ambitions of North Korea. As we look to reclaim our influence, the Republican Party steps forward with a vision rooted in strength, resilience, and a commitment to the values that built this country. It’s time to rally, to unify, and to act boldly in the face of these crises. By renewing our dedication to a strong, secure, and prosperous America, we set a powerful example for the world and ensure a brighter, safer future for generations to come. Let us rise with purpose, resolve, and a clear sense of who we are as Americans.:salute:

[Skybird]

I can understand and agree with that. I can't help but feel rage that these animals were ripped from from the only home they had ever known and from the only love and care they had ever known as well. This by individuals that couldn't have cared less about these animals. I'm sure the animals felt terrorized as well.

When we had groundhogs undermining the outside barn, I simply trapped them and relocated them to a new home with nice running water stream. I could have easily killed them but respected their life and wanted them to be
In Germany, 90% of groundhogs are gone, forever. Biologists say the species will most likely not recover over here.
I share your sentiments for the other being, the animal, living beside us. Its why I feel deeply for the individual squirrels in my garden, and gave them names. That I know three of them since five years, also does something to my sense of committment. When they change their fur, I add vitamins to their water, I spend 600-700 Euros for nuts per year, and I used slingshot shots to scare away cats and sometimes a rat. Cats I scare, but rats I fully hit. I'm good with slingshots, very. :03:
If I would have the space and location, I would run a squirrel rehab station, a small one at least. But my place unfortunately is totally unsuited for it. I have the time, I have a good basis in knowledge and I have plenty of time and live a now quite and laid back life and know what I am into if raising little squirrels (life runs in 90 minute intervals day and night, for weeks). Its just that I do not have the room and space. Its kind of tragic, really. But then, I also know how easily many of them can die, from diseases and parasites.

[Commander Wallace]

All eyes are on us, the American people, standing together at a critical crossroads for our nation. The challenges we face are real and formidable: tensions with Russia, escalating threats from Iran, and the nuclear ambitions of North Korea. As we look to reclaim our influence, the Republican Party steps forward with a vision rooted in strength, resilience, and a commitment to the values that built this country. It’s time to rally, to unify, and to act boldly in the face of these crises. By renewing our dedication to a strong, secure, and prosperous America, we set a powerful example for the world and ensure a brighter, safer future for generations to come. Let us rise with purpose, resolve, and a clear sense of who we are as Americans.:salute:


Very well said. :yep: :salute:

[AVGWarhawk]

That had to be the only speech I ever heard Her give that made sense.
Had She spoke like that before? She may have won the Election.

Until a question is asked. Then she starts the word salad.

[Gorpet]

Donald trump won this election because,
The progressive Democrats went so far with their agendas they went right over the cliff. And they forgot their middle class voter base.Yes they completely forgot about how their policies would affect their voters.They overlooked their own middle class,the same people who get up and go to work every day and have all the bills to pay,for their families in this country any working person or head of family there is responsibility, regardless of what political party has won the vote.The middle class gets up and goes to work.And that is across the board and a fact.

And,The citizens of this country are tired of these politicians creating division and conflict against each other. How can i talk to you,if i have to worry about offending you, that in itself works for Who? How can a society of people exist that can't even talk to one another ? I am a Caucasoid, does that mean we can't talk ?
You just gotta love the new AI ****,If it doesn't like what you have to say, it will not show up.The future is gonna be like 1984

[Commander Wallace]

Donald trump won this election because,
The progressive Democrats went so far with their agendas they went right over the cliff. And they forgot their middle class voter base.Yes they completely forgot about how their policies would affect their voters.They overlooked their own middle class,the same people who get up and go to work every day and have all the bills to pay,for their families in this country any working person or head of family there is responsibility, regardless of what political party has won the vote.The middle class gets up and goes to work.And that is across the board and a fact.

And,The citizens of this country are tired of these politicians creating division and conflict against each other. How can i talk to you,if i have to worry about offending you, that in itself works for Who? How can a society of people exist that can't even talk to one another ? I am a Caucasoid, does that mean we can't talk ?
You just gotta love the new AI ****,If it doesn't like what you have to say, it will not show up.The future is gonna be like 1984


Very well said. :yep: Nice post, Gorpet. :salute:

It's amazing. I listened to the post Election " Analysis " from people as clueless as the Democratic Party themselves. These " anal" isists have decried reasons for Mama Kamala's loss and downfall. These " reasons " include racial and gender biases and prejudice. Of course, when all else fails, play the race card. They conveniently left out that most of the Democrats in State Senate races also lost their seats and the majority were white.

Instead, the Democrats blamed everyone instead of themselves and for some of the very reasons you just said. Letting Criminals who are undocumented into this Country without any kind of a vetting process is Insanity. These people don't share the values we hold sacred that built our great Country in the first place. My family didn't fight in WW 1 and 2 and other wars to preserve Democracy to turn their Country over to fools such as these. I know our members here also have had family members in the Military Services, Fathers, Sons, Brothers, Mothers and Sisters that have also sacrificed much.

Mama Kamala offering Prison Inmates sex change operations on the Taxpayers dime is more Insanity. Mama Kamala has had four years to address the Economy. Apparently no one believed she could fix what she and Biden helped create. Is this really the Democratic party's vision for a better America ? Is this what our Military Service people sacrificed their lives and well being for ?

The American people spoke yesterday in a resounding voice and in unison that they want, expect and deserve the change that they have worked and sacrificed so much for. Donald Trump is a Moron but at least we can agree that his visions for our Country are much closer and consistent with the moral fibers that made the U.S the country it is. In the end, we all want the same thing. A better America for our family, friends and citizens. We can't have that following the agenda pursued by the Democratic Party that is just clueless.

* I never speak on Political matters but I'm very proud that our Citizens spoke in one voice in this election. *

[Buddahaid]

Donald trump won this election because,
The progressive Democrats went so far with their agendas they went right over the cliff. And they forgot their middle class voter base.Yes they completely forgot about how their policies would affect their voters.They overlooked their own middle class,the same people who get up and go to work every day and have all the bills to pay,for their families in this country any working person or head of family there is responsibility, regardless of what political party has won the vote.The middle class gets up and goes to work.And that is across the board and a fact....

The funny thing is all you said is exactly how I feel about MAGA republicans and especially Trump. Hopefully the bonehead won't tank the economy with his brilliance as a failed business owner.:shucks:

[Ostfriese]

America got what it wanted. Now America is going to get what it deserves.

[u crank]

America got what it wanted. Now America is going to get what it deserves.

America also did not get what they did not deserve. A President Harris. Her performance as a candidate showed that she is woefully unsuited for that job. Democrats need to find better candidates for president. The last three were not the best choices that they could have made.

[Ostfriese]

America also did not get what they did not deserve. A President Harris. Her performance as a candidate showed that she is woefully unsuited for that job. Democrats need to find better candidates for president. The last three were not the best choices that they could have made.

I can agree with that, considering that once all votes will have been counted Harris will have received some 10 million votes less than Biden (while Trump will have received more or less the same number of votes than in 2020).

Still, what happened to „Daddy Trump Coin“ and „Maga Trump Coin“ during election night is very likely a symbol what will happen in general. There are people who will profit from a Trump presidency - it just won’t be you. Once you realise that, don’t even start complaining, you got what you wanted.

[u crank]

Still, what happened to „Daddy Trump Coin“ and „Maga Trump Coin“ during election night is very likely a symbol what will happen in general. There are people who will profit from a Trump presidency - it just won’t be you. Once you realise that, don’t even start complaining, you got what you wanted.

That happens regardless of who is in the White House. It certainly did for Biden. And I didn't get what I want because I didn't vote in that election. I am not an American. Canada eh.

[AVGWarhawk]

The funny thing is all you said is exactly how I feel about MAGA republicans and especially Trump. Hopefully the bonehead won't tank the economy with his brilliance as a failed business owner.:shucks:

Not to worry, Elon is not busy and will help. But honestly, I'm not sure Elon will be a part of Trump's plans. The economy was fine under Trump from my recollection. Then the pandemic hit. Then a second virus hit named Biden. Yesterday the Stock market took off. 1500 points. Never seen the likes of it.

[AVGWarhawk]

America also did not get what they did not deserve. A President Harris. Her performance as a candidate showed that she is woefully unsuited for that job. Democrats need to find better candidates for president. The last three were not the best choices that they could have made.

Not to mention her performance during the 2020 primary debate should have been a clue she would not do well. I think they believed they could push race, gender and guilting people to vote for her. Obama certainly took that road. It didn't play well.

[Skybird]

I am curious to see what becomes of Kennedy. He is a character who is controversial, to say the least, he expressed in the past several utmost stupid, ridiculous thesis, but in his last verbal contributions on the health pandemic he was absolutely right on mark, spot on, and he is deep in that matter since many years already, so I am willing to assume he knows this matter as well as it seems to be. I maybe would not trust him enough to make him health minister, but I would definitely give him some official rank and the needed responsibility where he really can project massive influence regarding the topic he recently helped to bring to the public's attention. However, since I am not inside the government system, I have no clue how to acchieve that, I admit. Kennedy in, i say - but with guide rails, for safety reasons, so that he does not derail. I want him on the mentioned topic, and not smashing into some other place somewhere else where he just causes smoke and rubbles

[Ostfriese]

That happens regardless of who is in the White House. It certainly did for Biden. And I didn't get what I want because I didn't vote in that election. I am not an American. Canada eh.


My bad. Sorry for that, should have realised from the signature.

[u crank]

My bad. Sorry for that, should have realised from the signature.

All good.

:salute:

[Ostfriese]

Not to worry, Elon is not busy and will help. But honestly, I'm not sure Elon will be a part of Trump's plans.


Seriously? That's naive, to say the least. The door for oligarchs has been opened, and the biggest of them all has moved in. Musk is set out to fleece the American taxpayer for as many dollars as he can, (as he always has) and Trump will not be able to contain the monster he has unleashed.

[Onkel Neal]

Democracy needs some better parameters

starting at 12:37
https://youtu.be/5JxELubSgJg?si=HpFEfJP_uJAfVOe1&t=760

[Skybird]

OMG...

:wah: or :har: ?

I use to say that political parties should be prohibited and only individual representatives should be voted for. Becasue prties put themsloeves before the interest of the people and state reason, as we currently see in Germany, in an especially terrible exmaple.

Maybe voters wanting to elect somebody also should be forbidden. :03:

After all, democracy in ancient Greece was a feudal government form. Only citizens - free, rich males with the right and wealth to carry arms - were allowed to participate: servants, women, slaves were banned from any polticial and administrative participation. But even these free rich males carrying arms hat to further qualify for riasing their voice in the assemblies: thery had to prove loyalty to religion and culture, and that they honoured traditions and their father and mother and forefathers. Witnesses had to confirm it.

But every run-of-the-mill person who has no idea about anything...? Some say voting is a democratic automatic right. I say it should be a right that must be earned, and qualification must be demonstrated. Thats the basic idea behind the ancient Greek concept. Of course - even that could be (and was) abused.