US Politics Thread 2021-24

[les green01]

being all electric here sucks worse in the winter when i had gas my bill was 50 a month

[em2nought]

So when does the FBI raid Brandon? :D

[Skybird]

being all electric here sucks worse in the winter when i had gas my bill was 50 a month
Go all raw meat! Raw, bloody gore! :Kaleun_Cheers: Nobody needs red wine anymore with a meal like this! :up:

[Otto Harkaman]

Next we will turn off the Sun :sunny:

[vienna]

The Biden papers and the Mar-a-Lago documents: Apples and oranges?



https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3808819-the-biden-papers-and-the-mar-a-lago-documents-apples-and-oranges/






<O>

[u crank]

Oh oh.

:D:D:D

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3809397-second-batch-of-classified-biden-docs-found-at-new-location-report/

[August]

A pattern is emerging...





President Biden aides have found at least one more batch of classified documents located at a location other than the Penn Biden Center office in Washington, D.C. that he used in the years after he was vice president during the Obama administration, Fox News has confirmed.
A source told NBC News, which first reported the development, that aides to Biden have been searching for additional documents that contained classified material in other locations that may have been used by the president.
The development comes after a separate batch of classified documents were found from Biden's private office located at the Penn Biden Center on Tuesday.
The Justice Department and FBI both declined to comment.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-aides-discover-second-batch-classified-docs-another-location


Edit: U_Crank beat me to it!

[Rockstar]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-aides-find-second-batch-classified-documents-new-location-rcna65371

Since November, after the discovery of documents with classified markings in his former office, Biden aides have been searching for any additional classified materials that might be in other locations he used, said the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to provide details about the ongoing inquiry.


WTH? :o They don’t even know what they’re looking for or where the hell to look SINCE NOVEMBER! :har:

Maybe they should check in the Biden think tank.

https://i.ibb.co/R3yb9s5/46-D66-E0-A-708-C-4-FF0-ABD6-0-AE7-BB90-A97-C.jpg

Like I said earlier with the Trump drama at least NARA knew exactly what documents were missing from their records and the exact location of the safe they were secured in.

[August]

Like I said earlier with the Trump drama at least NARA knew exactly what documents were missing from their records and the exact location of the safe was they were secured in.

I'll bet that Biden has been leaving classified material laying around like that for decades. Like Hillary and her illegal server all these big shot Dems think they are above having to follow custody regulations. People are in jail because they didn't follow those regs to the letter, but oh not them. They get to lecture everyone else about it though.

Foreign spies don't even have to work for their intel around these elitists. They just have to follow them around and police up what they drop or leave behind. That's why you see their agents doing jobs like chauffeuring Feinstein around or sleeping with Swalwell (bet the NK's gave her a medal for that one).

[Rockstar]

Probably pumping ol’ Joe full of Adderall to see if they can jog his memory where he might have left them.

Worse still, it was some errand boy intern sold them to someone.

[August]

Probably pumping ol’ Joe full of Adderall to see if they can jog his memory where he might have left them.

Worse still, it was some errand boy intern sold them to someone.




Dude you just know that both the Kremlin and Peking already have high rez copies of every one of those documents by now.

[Buddahaid]

Let's examine the words willful retention. Is Biden trying to fight NARA getting the documents in court?

Charge them both and let's see who gets jail time.

[Rockstar]

Let's examine the words willful retention. Is Biden trying to fight NARA getting the documents in court?

Charge them both and let's see who gets jail time.

Like I said before, Everyone knew exactly what documents Trump had and exactly where the safe was the documents were kept in. The legal argument over ownership was between lawyers, Trump lawyers lost and the documents were returned. Case closed.

Unlike Mr. Bungle who probably can’t even remember where he was yesterday let alone what he did with six or seven years worth of classified documents he was responsible for. According to the ol’ familiar ‘anonymous source’ he’s had people looking for the stuff since last November. He’s not fighting NARA either, because the matter was immediately turned over to the DOJ.

There’s a huge difference between a person fighting in a court over ownership of known and accounted for documents. And a person looking around and not having a freaking clue where he last saw them.

Nobody is going too jail.

[Buddahaid]

There’s a huge difference between a person fighting in a court over ownership of known and accounted for documents. And a person looking around and not having a freaking clue where he last saw them.

That's a nice spin but I don't buy it.

[Rockstar]

That's a nice spin but I don't buy it.

I’m not the one putting the spin on it, the media is. I’m just regurgitating what I’ve read on law blogs and NBC.

For the last six years you took anything and everything by every anonymous sources quoted in the media as the gospel truth. Now suddenly today you don’t buy it?

[Rockstar]

NSFW language.

https://youtu.be/OQe-TGsXFb4

[Rockstar]

Listening to Bill Kristol interviews. Like with Trump, it seems the political elite don’t want Biden to run either. So expect even more ‘reliable anonymous sources’ come crawling out of the woodwork and being quoted in the headlines accusing Biden of having Unicorns in his closet.

General Barry McCaffery: Vitally important that Pres Biden announce he will not be a candidate in 2024. Need time for America to debate and vet talented politicians of strong character and leadership experience. It would be irresponsible for him to run again … age 80 now.

James Carville: "Well, right now it’s pretty clear he [Biden] intends to run, but you can always change your mind. And I think the age issue is going to be huge...Could we please find somebody under 75 to be our president? Just for the fun of it, okay?"

[MaDef]

I'm more interested in what the Penn Biden Center does exactly, and where they get their funding. (how they pay their researchers, rent, and to keep the lights on.) The director is currently the U.S. Ambassador to the OSCE.

[les green01]

I'm more interested in what the Penn Biden Center does exactly, and where they get their funding. (how they pay their researchers, rent, and to keep the lights on.) The director is currently the U.S. Ambassador to the OSCE.

supposly One hundred percent of the budget for the Penn Biden Center comes from university funds but guess who donated a total of 30 million to the university in 2017/18 if you said china you hit the nail on the head

[les green01]

Trump had the files in a safe these suppose to be a lock closet,don't know where the other was found,all you need to get pass a regular lock door is a old credit/debit card bend the card a little bit jimmy the lock and presso your pass the door

[Rockstar]

Just watched a press briefing with Biden (Mr. Bungle) who was just asked about classified documents found "next" to his Corvette. His words, not mine, not anonymous sources or mainstream media. He assured everyone his Corvette was in a locked garage! OMFG how's that for spin? :har::har::har::har:


Sounds like a NARA approved container too me!

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/fark/images/3/3e/021_horse_bwahahaha.jpg


I now believe the political elite who don't want Mr. Bungle to run again might have a very valid reasons, maybe Mr. Bungle will go to jail.
https://youtu.be/v3JdAU-1hsc

[mapuc]

It's not the same-Anyone with a common sense can clearly see there's difference in these two cases.

This was an answer I got when I said-
When Trump did it you went berserk and now when Biden has done it..Your are silence...

Markus

[Rockstar]

It's not the same-Anyone with a common sense can clearly see there's difference in these two cases.

This was an answer I got when I said-
When Trump did it you went berserk and now when Biden has done it..Your are silence...

Markus

Every president does it and goes through this process.

Some like Trump accounted for the documents and kept them in a safe, hire a lawyer, abide by the decisions made, and protects his privacy by ensuring a warrant is issued before the FBI enter his property. Everyone is covered.

Then there're others like Mr. Bungle Biden and his Democrats who leave them scattered all over creation, cars, garages, empty office space, and cardboard boxes, and thru negligence and lack of a chain of custody forget where the documents are and who has possession of them. Forcing the Department of Justice to start an investigation.

So much for the apples and oranges conspiracy theory. :har:

Attorney General Merrick Garland said he had appointed a special counsel to investigate the discovery of classified government records at the private home and office of President Joe Biden.
Garland tapped Robert Hur to serve as special counsel. Garland previously had assigned John Lausch, the U.S. Attorney for Chicago, to handle the inquiry after the first batch of records were discovered in November. “This is not a decision [Garland] made lightly,” a senior Department of Justice official told NBC News.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/12/special-counsel-named-to-probe-classified-records-found-at-bidens-private-home-and-office.html

[Rockstar]

Multiple Biden aides have been interviewed by federal law enforcement in classified document review

The White House acknowledged Thursday that documents had been found at his Delaware residence in addition to the ones found in a Washington office.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/multiple-biden-aides-interviewed-federal-law-enforcement-classified-do-rcna65526

WASHINGTON — Multiple aides who worked for President Joe Biden in the final days of the Obama administration have been interviewed by federal law enforcement officials reviewing how classified documents ended up in his Delaware residence and a Washington office, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Kathy Chung, who was Biden’s executive assistant while he was vice president and helped pack up his vice presidential office in January 2017, is among those who have been interviewed, according to the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing inquiry. Chung currently serves as deputy director of protocol for Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.

On Thursday, U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland announced he was appointing Robert Hur to serve as a special counsel to investigate the documents — which could result in additional interviews.

One of the sources familiar with the interviews that already took place said that those who were asked to be interviewed by law enforcement officials complied "quickly."

“The people who were boxing [U]had no idea that there was anything in there that shouldn’t leave the White House,” the source said. “There was no decision made to take certain documents that should have been presidential records or classified.”

:har::har::har::har:


I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say this Department of Justice investigation is not a boondoggle.

[em2nought]

Probably no worries about Mike Pence, he probably uses the same policy regarding documents that he uses about women. Won't find him in the same room alone with any woman except his wife, or alone with any document other than his marriage license. :D

[Rockstar]

If the regime didn’t have a Biden replacement lined up, we would have never known about the classified docs.

The only question is, who will it be? Hopefully it’s someone with an awareness of what’s going on around him. And doesn’t need a note written by someone else to explain to the public why classified documents were in a cardboard box in his garage. That was really pathetic.

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/l_dCLUvvtkg

[mapuc]

The GOP are not letting Biden and the Dems forgetting this


Four unanswered questions about the Biden classified documents

"What's in them?"

"Who had access?"

"Why was there a delay?"

"What could the penalties be?"


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64267983

Markus

[Rockstar]

The GOP are not letting Biden and the Dems forgetting this.

Nobody should forget this, let’s face it leaving classified material laying around in a car garage is a serious breach of security.

Four unanswered questions about the Biden classified documents

"What's in them?"I doubt any one will release photographic evidence. We just know some were intel sheets on certain countries.

"Who had access?" Nobody knows because they were not locked in a safe, nor was there a chain of custody record. They were just out there left unattended in cardboard boxes.

"Why was there a delay?" My guess is people assumed the information was being handled IAW SOP. Until it wasn’t.

"What could the penalties be?" Unless they find someone was making copies, selling or giving them away. I doubt there will be any penalties. Unless of course it’s Trump.

[Buddahaid]

Or like Trump uses every available means to obstruct.

[MaDef]

Or like Trump uses every available means to obstruct.

Now.. Now.... Stay focused, this is about Biden and his screwup.

[Rockstar]

Still chasing unicorns huh?

Read below it's the final decision of the case Trump brought before the government claiming executive privilege. Cry as he might the government shot down his request in flames.

“[U]nless the incumbent President ‘uphold[s]’ the claim asserted by the former President, ‘the Archivist discloses the Presidential record,'” Wall said while citing an executive order and a federal regulation. “For the same reasons,” Wall continued, “I have concluded that there is no reason to grant your request for a further delay before the FBI and others in the Intelligence Community begin their reviews. Accordingly, NARA will provide the FBI access to the records in question, as requested by the incumbent President, beginning as early as Thursday, May 12, 2022.”


If afterwards he refused the decision and hid, destroyed or barricaded the documents or somehow prevented the FBI from carrying out their duty. Then he might be charged with obstruction. Instead, he complied.

[Buddahaid]

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

[em2nought]

It's been a good week! :D

[Buddahaid]

It's been a good week! :D

Sure. The House has defunded the IRS hiring of 87,000 "agents" except Congress 101 gets in the way and it's not as simple as a sound bite. Maybe in two years that could happen but I doubt it, although that's still possible.

[Skybird]

Trump actively hindered investigation, Biden cooperates.

Trump tried to dispose unwanted secret material in the toilet, Biden not.

Trump tried to corrupt researching investigation authorities, Biden not.



Trump is a bloody dirtbag, Biden not so much like Trump.


Of course the great orange party tries what it can to blow it out of proportion.


Foolish old man. Age has its costs, obviously.



And yes, I assume intention in Trumps case, in Bidens case not. The vultures will not made to stop circling, though.



Politics. Swim with the sharks, get bitten by the sharks.

[Buddahaid]

Jack Smith will have Trump's ass this year despite all the twooths Trump posts.

I know many don't agree but let's see how it plays out this year.

[Skybird]

Der Tagesspiegel has something more reasonable about all this dramissima:
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"Top Secret" Papers at Biden and Trump?: Why secrecy can also hurt

The document scandals are not about dangerous security breaches. They point to an exaggerated trend toward secrecy. An analysis.

Can it really be: Top-secret classified documents on which U.S. national security depends are turning up in the most amazing places? Which, moreover, are unguarded.

For example, in boxes in Joe Biden's private garage, just behind his vintage convertible, a 1967 Corvette Stingray that he is rarely allowed to drive. And in a closet next to Donald Trump's swimming pool at his hotel complex in Mar-a-Lago, Florida.

The opposing party in each case is trying to turn the significance of the finds into a state affair: criminal handling of "top secret" documents. That is why special investigators, parliamentary committees of inquiry, and possibly even impeachment proceedings are imperative.
The damage caused by the blockade is likely to be greater

Of course, it could also be the other way around: A political spectacle is being staged here for election campaign purposes. The resulting damage to society is likely to be greater in the end than the potential damage if the alleged secrets in the papers were to reach the public and thus the hands of global political opponents - which has not been the case so far.

The dispute over the state documents, which ex-President Trump and ex-Vice President Biden stashed in private rooms and did not turn over to the National Archives after their respective terms in office, as required, will contribute to the fact that the House will hardly deal with substantive policy in the year and a half until the 2024 election. Instead, it will serve purely as an election campaign stage.

At the same time, this handling of the problem prevents another investigation, which would arguably be just as urgent. "The government classifies too many documents as secret," says Elizabeth Goitein, an expert on the limits of executive power at the Brennan Center for Justice. In doing so, both camps make it more difficult for the respective opposition and the media to scrutinize their government's actions.

What does the public even know about the contents of the documents? The claimed explosiveness thrives on the extensive use of the terms "classified" and "secret" and the widespread fantasy ideas about the unknown world of intelligence agencies. The image that ordinary citizens form of it is shaped more by spy novels and movies than by reality.

"Classified" means that a document may only be used internally and is not intended for the public. Decisive for the explosiveness, however, is in which of the subcategories it falls. In Germany, there are four: for official use only, confidential, secret or top secret.

So far, virtually nothing is known about the contents of the papers that have surfaced in Biden's private estates as well as former places of employment as vice president. In the case of the Trump documents, the state of knowledge is only slightly better.

What little is known indicates that the proportion of explosive classified material is small and does not suggest a deliberate withholding of "top secret" papers. The specific numbers vary. Of the 26 boxes full of documents seized in the latest search at Mar-a-Lago, the New York Times reports that among them were 11 files classified as "classified." And only one was marked "top secret". In it it concerns U.S. knowledge about the Iranian missile program, thus not information about own weapon systems or security gaps. In all, Trump had kept 300 "Classified" documents.

The material seized by the FBI is described by the "Washington Post" as follows: 13,000 documents, of which 103 were "Classified" and 18 "Top Secret".

The situation was similar in the affairs surrounding the U.S. documents on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and diplomatic reports that became public via Wikileaks. A large part of the alleged revelations had long been public knowledge, such as the civilian victims of military operations, including the outrageous Baghdad video.

More politically interesting is the two presidents' handling of the current allegations. Trump is stonewalling and obstructing justice. Biden's misconduct is far less, but he too is cheating. The first documents were found on Nov. 2, a week before the congressional election. He has admitted as much only now.
--------------------------

There is a general trend in Western nations that governments try to escape from the observation by the public. They claim to fight for transparency, and in reality do all what they can to prevent it and keep their motivations, deals made, motives for decisions and connectons to persons as intransparent as possible. Same takes place on international level in international organsiations, namely the EU. And the ministries in Germany have just days ago been accused again to have fundamentally increased the obstruction of transparency in their internal structures, and that decision makers were called to no longer document their decisions and motives and associated events in digital or paper formats so that in later times their work and reasons for their decisions shall no longer be reconstructable. In other wordS: the obstruction is intentional, its not by flaws in the system, but it is wanted. You can bet money on that it is in the Us the same way. Add to all this the growin g gagging and intimdiaiton of politically non-conformal reporters and jpruanpists, and their limiting of access to sources. All what politicians then still need to escape any chance to ever be held accountable for anything uncomfortable for them is that they are gifted with the blessing of suffering from a short memory so that they can always say "I cannot recall this, I cannot remember that".

[Buddahaid]

I'll not defend Biden, or Trump, for breaches in security. Prosecute them both to the full extent of the law, but don't excuse Trump because Biden has been found with classified documents. Stupid kindergarten mentality is, well, just stupid.

[Rockstar]

Trump had his documents in a safe and it was no secret where they were. Agree with it or not, everyone knew why he wanted to retain them. He took the path of fighting the government claiming executive privilege and lost the battle when the judge said no. Like Biden, he then had no choice but to cooperate. The FBI was then detailed to go to that safe have it unlocked and retrieve the documents. Drama? Yes. But breach of security? Hardly, since NARA knew what documents they were looking for and where they were located (chain of custody).


A breach of security is when for example certain Bidenettes working for Mr. Bungle take classified documents, loose track of their whereabouts, leave them unattended in empty office spaces, car garages and who knows where in cardboard boxes so that anyone and their mothers could read them, no chain of custody record, or known reason for their removal. Like Trump, Mr. Bungle and his gang have no choice but to cooperate.


But unless some low ranking go’fer was on the take, selling the information or making copies etc. Nobody is going to jail.

[Dowly]

Trump had his documents in a safe and it was no secret where they were. Agree with it or not, everyone knew why he wanted to retain them. He took the path of fighting the government claiming executive privilege and lost the battle when the judge said no. Like Biden, he then had no choice but to cooperate. The FBI was then detailed to go to that safe have it unlocked and retrieve the documents. Drama? Yes. But breach of security? Hardly, since NARA knew what documents they were looking for and where they were located (chain of custody).


A breach of security is when for example certain Bidenettes working for Mr. Bungle take classified documents, loose track of their whereabouts, leave them unattended in empty office spaces, car garages and who knows where in cardboard boxes so that anyone and their mothers could read them, no chain of custody record, or known reason for their removal. Like Trump, Mr. Bungle and his gang have no choice but to cooperate.


But unless some low ranking go’fer was on the take, selling the information or making copies etc. Nobody is going to jail.




Talk about selective memory. :haha:

[Rockstar]

Talk about selective memory. :haha:

:03:


I bet if anyone spent a minute and looked at the history of how classified material is handled by our elected officials. We'd find mishandling of such things is probably very typical. Thats why I think not one elected official will ever go to jail over it, they all do it.

Now if you or I handled it like they did we would've been made an example of and sent to jail in a heartbeat. Worst that will happen to them, it will be used for political hay. None of the political elites want Biden to run again. Like I said earlier they must have his replacement already in mind, otherwise I don't think this would've never made the news. Expect more headlines of Biden and the crackhead.

[les green01]

:03:


I bet if anyone spent a minute and looked at the history of how classified material is handled by our elected officials. We'd find out mishandling of such things is probably very typical behavior. Thats why I think not one elected official will ever go to jail over it, they all do it.

Now if you or I handled it like they did we would've been made an example of and sent to jail in a heartbeat. Worst that will happen to them is it will be used for political hay. None of the political elites want Biden to run again. Like I said earlier they must have his replacement already in mind, otherwise I don't think this would've never made the news. Expect more headlines of Biden and the crackhead.
well we know how one future President handle it while he was in naval intellenge during the early days of ww2 hoover and fbi had him nail and daddy pull strings and got him sent to the south pacific :03:

[Gorpet]

Talk about selective memory. :haha:

Here's the deal.Joe must fall on the sword.His entire life is owed to the Party.And the Party must survive! Now Dowly as a intellectual,and you know the crust of the biscuit will be what you taste.Will you taste the American yellow Snow.And enjoy what it will bring to your country. And do not believe that we are not coming to your country. Dowly your with us or our dogs will hump you down to the dirt that you were born out of.

[August]

Trove number 4.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1SgfMhcUs

[em2nought]

So when a democrat does something that they shouldn't it's only a bungle?

[Buddahaid]

So when a Republican does something that they shouldn't it's fake news?

[MaDef]

So when a democrat does something that they shouldn't it's only a bungle?

So when a Republican does something that they shouldn't it's fake news?

:roll: You kids and your "whataboutism"....

[Rockstar]

Like with Trump nobody wants Biden to run again. Thankfully we’re more civilized than Russia. Over there they may have accidentally fallen out of a window.

“How big a mess is this for the Biden administration?” Cooper asked.

Gergen responded, “It’s very, very big. Not legally but politically, it’s a very, very big deal.”

[em2nought]

Like with Trump nobody wants Biden to run again. Thankfully we’re more civilized than Russia. Over there they may have accidentally fallen out of a window.

I think there's a huge push to make everyone believe that nobody wants Trump to run again, and I'm sure it's cut into his numbers, but don't think for a minute that Republican voters will ever go back to typical Republican milk toast candidates again. :03:

[Buddahaid]

I think there's a huge push to make everyone believe that nobody wants Trump to run again, and I'm sure it's cut into his numbers, but don't think for a minute that Republican voters will ever go back to typical Republican milk toast candidates again. :03:

Maybe, but I think the majority will see just how shallow the extreme right is with this Congress.

[August]

Maybe, but I think the majority will see just how shallow the extreme right is with this Congress.

Both Congressional pools have their shallow ends. The extreme left has elected one of their own to minority leader and the rest of their caucus in total lockstep voted for him to be speaker 15 times. That tells me the whole Democrat pool is one big shallow end.

[Buddahaid]

Geez! People voted for this guy!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/us/solomon-pena-arrested-new-mexico-shootings/index.html

[August]

Geez! People voted for this guy!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/us/solomon-pena-arrested-new-mexico-shootings/index.html


Yeah so? How many votes did he get, 1 or 2? Should have run as a Democrat and he could guarantee at least 20-30 thousand bot votes.

[Buddahaid]

Yeah so? How many votes did he get, 1 or 2? Should have run as a Democrat and he could guarantee at least 20-30 thousand bot votes.

He got 26% of the vote no bots about it.:Kaleun_Wink:
https://electionresults.sos.state.nm.us/resultsSW.aspx?type=LGX

[August]

He got 26% of the vote no bots about it.:Kaleun_Wink:
https://electionresults.sos.state.nm.us/resultsSW.aspx?type=LGX


Must have been bitter about the loss :).

[Buddahaid]

Must have been bitter about the loss :).

Looks that way....:hmmm:

[August]

Looks that way....:hmmm:




BTW don't get hung up on percentages. 25% of just one of thirty Arizona senate districts doesn't add up to very many people.

[Buddahaid]

BTW don't get hung up on percentages. 25% of just one of thirty Arizona senate districts doesn't add up to very many people.

Who's hung up, am I making excuses for him? The guys a menace and it's disturbing there are real numbers of like minded soles that voted for him. Admittedly, a likely significant number of those votes were "check where the "R" is" voters, but not all of them. What am I expected to take away from that? Right wing violence is OK because it's right wing?

[August]

Who's hung up, am I making excuses for him? The guys a menace and it's disturbing there are real numbers of like minded soles that voted for him. Admittedly, a likely significant number of those votes were "check where the "R" is" voters, but not all of them. What am I expected to take away from that? Right wing violence is OK because it's right wing?


So you're saying that a significant percentage of those who voted for him knew that he was going to go on a shooting spree, and that's what has you bereft of a good take away? Oh my. :o

Thing is if you have some kind of evidence that this is so maybe you ought to supply some names to the law. Foreknowledge of an impending criminal act might be a chargeable offense no? Pin it on enough of that 23% and you could turn his district permanently blue! Think about it. :hmmm:

[MaDef]

Geez! People voted for this guy!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/us/solomon-pena-arrested-new-mexico-shootings/index.html

That's what can happen where recreational drug use is legal.

[les green01]

guys i think we are forgetting one little thing about this country that is innocent until proven guilty he was arrested on suspicion of orchestrating recent shootings now if they got him on film doing it then he screw going down and should but this guy brain must be fried if i was going hired 4 guys to do shootings it sure wouldn't be at the houses

[Buddahaid]

Donald Trump and his lawyer Alina Habba were just sanctioned $1 million by Federal Judge Donald M. Middlebrooks for filing a frivolous lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and dozens of other individuals. :up:

[vienna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDIwvTPY2-s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJr7SwQ03pg




<O>

[vienna]

Donald Trump and his lawyer Alina Habba were just sanctioned $1 million by Federal Judge Donald M. Middlebrooks for filing a frivolous lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and dozens of other individuals. :up:


...and it looks like that was one shot across the bow that may have altered The Big Orange Buffoon's course...


Donald Trump withdraws lawsuit against New York Attorney General Letitia James -

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-withdraws-lawsuit-new-york-attorney-general/story?id=96562382




...

Less than a day after receiving a warning from a federal judge, former President Donald Trump has withdrawn his lawsuit against New York Attorney General Letitia James.

The withdrawal came in a brief document filed Friday morning with U.S. District Judge Donald Middlebrooks, who late Thursday warned Trump's legal team that the lawsuit appeared to verge on frivolous.

"Plaintiff, PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP, by and through his undersigned counsel and pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 41(a)(1)(A)(i), hereby voluntarily dismisses his claims in this action against Defendant, LETITIA JAMES, without prejudice," the letter said.

...

[Rockstar]

The Washington Post

Justice Dept. search of Biden home in Wilmington turns up more documents

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/justice-dept-search-of-biden-home-in-wilmington-turns-up-more-documents/ar-AA16BsQi

Story by Matt Viser, Tyler Pager • 43m ago

The Justice Department on Friday completed an extensive search of President Biden’s home in Wilmington and turned up additional classified documents, some of which date to his time in the United States Senate, the president’s personal attorney announced on Saturday night.

After being given full access to Biden’s home — including personally handwritten notes, files, papers, and binders that covered decades of his work — the Justice Department took possession of six items. Those items, according to the president’s personal attorney Bob Bauer, consisted of “documents with classification markings and surrounding materials.”

Some of those materials were from Biden’s time in the Senate, while others were from his tenure as vice president. The Justice Department also took some of Biden’s handwritten notes from his vice-presidential years to further review them.

It is unclear what the items are, and if they are all documents. During an earlier search, Biden’s lawyers said they found other classified documents in Biden’s garage and adjacent room, turning them over to the DOJ.

The DOJ was given full access to the house and was there from 9:45 a.m. until around 10:30 p.m. They covered “all working, living and storage spaces in the home,” according to Bauer. Representatives of both the personal legal team and White House Counsel’s Office were present.

Bauer said Biden offered to provide prompt access to search the entire premises of his property for potential records. He said DOJ requested that the search not be made public in advance, and Biden’s attorneys agreed to those terms.

“Since the beginning, the President has been committed to handling this responsibly because he takes this seriously,” Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president, said in a statement on Saturday night.

“Neither the President nor the First Lady were present during the search,” he added.

[Buddahaid]

Something Trump would’ve been well advised to do. Except he took it for a whole year and a half of a fight.

[Rockstar]

Something Trump would’ve been well advised to do. Except he took it for a whole year and a half of a fight.


They’re finding classified material in Biden’s house, garage, empty office space and card board boxes from his time in the Senate which ended 23 years ago. I don’t give a flying flick who the president is, was, or will be that’s irresponsible no matter who does it.

[Buddahaid]

They’re finding classified material in Biden’s house, garage, empty office space and card board boxes from his time in the Senate which ended 23 years ago. I don’t give a flying flick who the president is, was, or will be that’s irresponsible no matter who does it.

Trump's problem with the documents isn't because he had them, it's because he was obstructing justice over their return.

[Rockstar]

Trump's problem with the documents isn't because he had them, it's because he was obstructing justice over their return.

The problem with your statement Trump was obstructing Justice is there has been no proof of it. It’s blue anon chasing unicorns again, just another conspiracy theory. It’s the continuing saga of the government boondoggle. Any day now :roll:

The fact that the people who are looking don’t really know what they’re looking for tells me there is no accountability, and NARA doesn’t have a clue what’s out there. It makes me think every one who has ever been elected probably has some amount of unaccounted for classified material in their back pocket, purse, house, car’s glove box, rental space, resort office, safe, estate, cardboard box or garage.

[Buddahaid]

The problem with your statement Trump was obstructing Justice is there has been no proof of it. It’s blue anon chasing unicorns again, just another conspiracy theory. It’s the continuing saga of the government boondoggle. Any day now :roll:

The fact that the people who are looking don’t really know what they’re looking for tells me there is no accountability, and NARA doesn’t have a clue what’s out there. It makes me think every one who has ever been elected probably has some amount of unaccounted for classified material in their back pocket, purse, house, car’s glove box, rental space, resort office, safe, estate, cardboard box or garage.

Fine. I'll get back when the indictment is announced. I'm thinking by about April.

[August]

Fine. I'll get back when the indictment is announced. I'm thinking by about April.




They may still be finding more of Biden's stolen top secret files come April. How may more did they find today, six of them?

[Buddahaid]

They may still be finding more of Biden's stolen top secret files come April. How may more did they find today, six of them?

That's fine too. Like I said, Trump's problem is the obstruction of justice, not the documents. In other words, it's not the crime, it's the coverup.

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/obstruction-of-justice-it-s-not-the-34658/

[MaDef]

That's fine too. Like I said, Trump's problem is the obstruction of justice, not the documents. In other words, it's not the crime, it's the coverup. What coverup? And if he did obstruct justice why has he not been charged?

if I recall correctly, Clinton agreed to a law license suspension and 25,000.00$ fine to avoid obstruction charges.

[August]

That's fine too. Like I said, Trump's problem is the obstruction of justice, not the documents. In other words, it's not the crime, it's the coverup.

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/obstruction-of-justice-it-s-not-the-34658/

Ah the old obstruction charge without an underlying crime to back it up gambit. Good luck with that. When it fails it'll be, what,? the 8th or 9th failed attempt at bringing the Orange Man down?

[Buddahaid]

Ah the old obstruction charge without an underlying crime to back it up gambit. Good luck with that. When it fails it'll be, what,? the 8th or 9th failed attempt at bringing the Orange Man down?

Hmmm. Trump is a private citizen in possesion of classified documents and subject to the espionage act so there is a potential crime involved.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if it's the 10th or the 100th attempt. I don't think Trump is going to avoid serious trial verdicts this year with the E Jean Carroll rape prosecution, the NY AG prosecution of his now felonious organization for tax fraud going to trial on October 3rd, this obstruction of justice problem over the NARA documents recovery, and possible indictments over Jan 6th.

He is in some deep doodoo and time has run out on his legal delaying tactics.

[Rockstar]

Fine. I'll get back when the indictment is announced. I'm thinking by about April.

Lol, not even an indictment is proof of guilt. Next comes a trial then you’ll have to wait until the trial is over and then it goes to the jury who may pronounce guilt or innocence.

But don’t give up hope. All they need to do is go after the low hanging fruit you know, they’ll turn, any day now. :roll:

https://i.ibb.co/58PM8tS/1-C3-DB0-A1-378-C-4-A0-B-A686-9036-C4-CDC1-FF.jpg

[Rockstar]

Hmmm. Trump is a private citizen in possesion of classified documents and subject to the espionage act so there is a potential crime involved.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if it's the 10th or the 100th attempt. I don't think Trump is going to avoid serious trial verdicts this year with the E Jean Carroll rape prosecution, the NY AG prosecution of his now felonious organization for tax fraud going to trial on October 3rd, this obstruction of justice problem over the NARA documents recovery, and possible indictments over Jan 6th.

He is in some deep doodoo and time has run out on his legal delaying tactics.

https://i.ibb.co/58PM8tS/1-C3-DB0-A1-378-C-4-A0-B-A686-9036-C4-CDC1-FF.jpg

[August]

Hmmm. Trump is a private citizen in possesion of classified documents and subject to the espionage act so there is a potential crime involved.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if it's the 10th or the 100th attempt. I don't think Trump is going to avoid serious trial verdicts this year with the E Jean Carroll rape prosecution, the NY AG prosecution of his now felonious organization for tax fraud going to trial on October 3rd, this obstruction of justice problem over the NARA documents recovery, and possible indictments over Jan 6th.

He is in some deep doodoo and time has run out on his legal delaying tactics.


Yeah and you said he was in deep doodoo during the two impeachment attempts and the fake Russia collusion scam. How do you live with the constant disappointment?

[August]

Why am I not surprised.



Retired top FBI counterintelligence agent who led Trump-Russia probe arrested for own ties to Russian oligarch

By Danielle Wallace | Fox News
Charles McGonigal charged with breaking US sanctions against Russia oligarch Oleg Deripaska, money laundering


A former senior FBI counterintelligence official who spearheaded the Trump-Russia probe was arrested and charged over his own alleged ties to a sanctioned Russian oligarch amid the war in Ukraine.
Charles McGonigal, the former Special Agent in Charge of FBI’s Counterintelligence Division in New York, who retired in 2018, is accused of violating U.S. sanctions by agreeing to provide services to Oleg Deripaska, a sanctioned Russian oligarch. He is charged alongside Sergey Shestakov, a former Soviet and Russian diplomat who later became a U.S. citizen and a Russian interpreter for courts and government offices, through a five-count indictment unsealed in Manhattan federal court Monday.
McGonigal and Shestakov both were arrested Saturday. The indictment is a rare move by federal prosecutors to bring charges against a senior former FBI official before a federal grand jury.




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/retired-top-fbi-counterintelligence-agent-led-trump-russia-probe-arrested-own-ties-russian-oligarch

[Rockstar]

Yeah and you said he was in deep doodoo during the two impeachment attempts and the fake Russia collusion scam. How do you live with the constant disappointment?

Talking about Trump every minute of everyday day two years later...

That's what depression looks like.

[Buddahaid]

I wonder if Cruz is going to demand the FBI raid Pence's home? :haha:

[em2nought]

Probably no worries about Mike Pence, he probably uses the same policy regarding documents that he uses about women. Won't find him in the same room alone with any woman except his wife, or alone with any document other than his marriage license. :D

Apparently I was wrong, and Mike Pence is a shameless hussy in regards to the treatment of classified documents. :har: We'll probably see Mikey doing some self-flagellation soon. :D

[Gorpet]

It is to late,Joey will not last past this summer, Our new Queen will be our Vice President. And the world will quiver again. oh i'm sorry quiver it's a noun lol.

[August]

I bet if you did a search of every congressman and senators house you'd find classified materials in a sizable number of them.

[Rockstar]

I bet if you did a search of every congressman and senators house you'd find classified materials in a sizable number of them.

The part which bothers me the most is it seems search parties don’t really know where to look or what they’re looking for. NARA or who ever is responsible doesn’t have a clue what’s out there, where it’s at or who has it.

My arse would have gotten a Big Chicken Dinner or thrown in the brig if I was that irresponsible.


Big Chicken Dinner a.k.a. Bad Conduct Discharge for you civies ;)

[August]

The part which bothers me the most is it seems search parties don’t really know where to look or what they’re looking for. NARA or who ever is responsible doesn’t have a clue what’s out there, where it’s at or who has it.

My arse would have gotten a Big Chicken Dinner or thrown in the brig if I was that irresponsible.


Big Chicken Dinner a.k.a. Bad Conduct Discharge for you civies ;)


More likely it'd be both dinner and prison accommodations!

This whole business of sending teams of lawyers into homes and workplaces to do searches tells me that there is widespread disregard among civilian politicians for document security procedures and chain of custody regulations. They think that what would send you or me to jail for the rest of our lives does not and should not apply to their own odoriferous posteriors.

No wonder foreign governments are always trying to put their people onto their cleaning crews, chauffeurs and other domestic staff jobs. The pickings must be pretty good if bunches of Top Secret documents are just laying around forgotten in boxes and desk drawers.

[August]

Biden self Pwnage:


President Biden on Thursday joked about his gaffes and intelligence while touting his administration's economic record while in Virginia.
Speaking in Springfield, Biden joked that some people think he's "stupid."
"I said that when I was seeking the nomination, I said, 'Take a seat everybody,' and there wasn't a single chair in the place," he said while speaking at the Steamfitters Local 602 in Springfield. "They said that Biden really is stupid and he doesn't know it."
He then asked, "Where's Doug the congressman?," apparently referring to Rep. Don Beyer, D-Va.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-people-think-stupid-getting-congressmans-name-wrong

[em2nought]

The newspaper characterized this as mishandling of classified documents by first the Trump administration, and now the Biden administration. Isn't it actually the Obama Administration's guilt since that's when the pretender's offenses begin? I know Barry is their "precious" and all, but they need to tell at least some truth at some point. :03:

If there's a higher incidence of chimney fires in DC this month will that be evidence of widespread getting rid of evidence? :D

[Rockstar]

Seattle faces a moment of truth to save downtown

Jan. 27, 2023 at 6:00 am Updated Jan. 27, 2023 at 5:38 pm

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/seattle-faces-a-moment-of-truth-to-save-downtown/

Jon Talton By Jon Talton
Columnist

I’ve never lived in a city that’s collapsing around me.

Almost every few days, it comes in hammer blows (one literally).

The Nike store at Sixth Avenue and Pike suddenly shut down earlier this month. It’s opening a new location at Bellevue Square.

The Downtown Seattle Association estimated in October 2021 that 500 street-level businesses had closed since 2019. About 300 new street-level businesses had opened.

This audit is more than a year old. Either way, the new shops and restaurants aren’t on Third Avenue, which has become ever more desolate. The losses include important stores such as Columbia Sportswear’s Seattle flagship, which was looted.

Even my eye doctor moved her practice off Third to a safer space on Fourth Avenue. Nike’s exit adds to a retail vacancy rate in Seattle’s central business district of around 13.5%. That compares with less than 2% in 2019. By contrast, Bellevue’s vacancy rate is 1.5% now versus 5% in 2019.

Meanwhile, Amazon is pulling out of its offices at the Port 99 tower downtown. One real estate insider called it “the first domino” as the company — Seattle’s largest private-sector employer — rethinks its property strategy in the city.

When big businesses pull back, small businesses that provide professional services and act as other vendors suffer.

Another blow: Regal Meridian will close its 16-screen movie theater at Seventh and Pike. The closing leaves yet another empty hole in the urban fabric. Seattle’s smile is becoming like that of someone with many lost teeth.

We’re lucky to have the AMC theaters remaining, but for how long? It occupies the top floors of Pacific Place, a once-thriving urban mall, which faces an uncertain future.

Meanwhile, crime is stabilizing or declining thanks to Mayor Bruce Harrell and City Attorney Ann Davison. Shoplifting, which added costs to every retailer in the city, has leveled off, but admittedly from a chaotic and rampant starting point.

The violent crime we see is horrific — a man battered with a hammer in broad daylight near Third Avenue and Pike, his assailant stealing his backpack. The victim, who was apparently trying to steal a bicycle at the time, later died. It was Seattle’s fifth homicide of the new year.

Other crime is so commonplace, it’s barely reported. The front door of my condo building was burgled (again). A building down the street with a bullet hole through the front door. Smashed glass and tagging on every other block.

I can feel the excuses being typed. Remote work is to blame! The “second tech boom” has deflated and the consequences are nationwide! San Francisco and Portland have it worse! Microsoft is vacating office space in Bellevue! Seattle has lovely neighborhoods, even a few without encampments! Regal filed for bankruptcy protection! Third Avenue used to be way worse!

If those excuses aren’t enough, others will say that tourism will offset much of the damage, especially with the cruise season and opening of the expanded convention center. Or that Nike’s closure isn’t a deathblow, just as Banana Republic, Gap and Macy’s departing didn’t end retail downtown.

Some of these points are true, but even those come with caveats.


For example, praising neighborhoods is fine, but downtown generates the majority of city tax revenue. And I don’t know of a quality metropolitan area without a thriving central core. In New York City, Manhattan is seeing a post-pandemic renaissance.

Tourism has long been a part of Seattle’s diverse economy. Thank goodness Pike Place Market survives, along with Seattle Center. The convention center expansion will prove to be a wise investment. But tourism mostly creates lower-wage jobs, and tourists provide limited support for downtown cultural centers and pro sports.

Excuses aside, today’s urban dystopia was unimaginable when I arrived here 15 years ago.

Whether from a consumer or business standpoint, we may be witnessing the demise of tolerance for bad urban experiences on the other side of this pandemic.

The conceit that places like Seattle could get away with street crime and urban disorder, chalking it up to a big city with big-city problems — and people would still come and invest — is being put to the test.

At the same time, the expectation of urban workers, residents, visitors and retailers themselves for reliably clean and safe experiences is even higher coming out of the pandemic. Retailers won’t put up with an operating environment that is expensive because of safety and retail theft issues, and customers won’t either. They’ll go somewhere else.

More workers are returning to the office nationally. For example, in January Austin, Texas, showed 77% of employees back in the office compared with the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, followed by Houston (69%).

It’s happening here, too, although at a slower pace. The Downtown Seattle Association estimated 44% had returned as of December compared with less than 30% in January 2022.

Also in December, San Francisco posted 53% and San Jose 52%.

Soon-to-be-empty City Council seats provide an opportunity to continue the backlash that elected Sara Nelson. That is, if centrists can be persuaded to run and face attacks by activists and Twitter mobs.

Otherwise, Seattle will lose out on the back-to-the-city phenomenon from which it has so benefited since the 1990s.

A paper by scholars at NYU and Columbia University put a fine point on the stakes:

“Our research emphasizes the possibility of an ‘urban doom loop’ by which decline of work in the center business district results in less foot traffic and consumption, which adversely affects the urban core in a variety of ways (less eyes on the street, so more crime; less consumption; less commuting) thereby lowering municipal revenues and also making it more challenging to provide public goods and services absent tax increases. These challenges will predominantly hit blue cities in the coming years.”

The loop doesn’t quite fit Seattle yet, whose fiscal shortfall is primarily from overspending rather than lower revenues. But unaddressed, the crisis in the core will only grow worse.

And the hits will keep coming.

Jon Talton: jtalton@seattletimes.com; on Twitter: @jontalton. Talton writes about business and the Pacific Northwest economy in the Sunday Seattle Times.

[Rockstar]

Missing Ohio architect killed in Mexico with fiancée

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/missing-ohio-architect-killed-in-mexico-with-fiancee


These same cartels that are raping, murdering and destroying Mexico. Are also now the ones greatly enriching themselves running illegal immigrants across Biden’s open U.S. border.

[mapuc]

I..I...I am out of words

(Following article has been translated-Sine I could not find any English version of this Danish version)


I'm white and in therapy for it
The idea that all white people are racists is spreading in the United States. So Americans are using anti-racist training and therapy against their whiteness.

From his chair across from me, Kusum Crimmel looks at me with a calm smile and a slight tilt of his head.

- 'I think whiteness is the belief in white supremacy, dominance and control, and looking down on other people,' she says.

Kusum Crimmel is white and a former civil rights activist. Today, she has taken the fight against racism into the therapy room

She lives in a quiet neighborhood of cacti and oak trees in Oakland, California. In her home, she has decorated a room with scented candles and pictures of dark bodies on the walls.

Here she treats white people for their whiteness.

- In America, everyone has a degree of white supremacy in them, she says, and asks me to get up to do an exercise with her.

I've told her I don't feel racist, and now she wants to know if she agrees.

All whites are racists
The idea that all white people are somehow racist has been on the rise in the US since the killing of George Floyd in 2020.

Video footage of a white cop kneeing Floyd in the neck sparked the largest race protest movement in US history and new heightened focus on systemic racism.

In the US, blacks are more likely than whites to end up in prison, in poverty, without an education or as victims of police violence.

Some of the best-selling books in the US after the killing of George Floyd place the blame on white America.

In bestsellers like 'White Fragility' and 'Nice Racism', author Robin Diangelo argues that white people unconsciously show they are racists precisely when they reject accusations of racism. All white people should work on their personal racism, she argues.

Diangelo's books are used as a basis for anti-racist training, therapy and healing in public institutions, businesses and universities across the US.

'We are not safe with a white man'
- 'We don't feel safe with a white man here,' Kusum Crimmel says, grabbing my arm.

With the exercise, she wants to show how I, as a white man, react to the suspicion that black people are often subjected to.

When I turn to her and answer "why not?" she is ready with an analysis.

- America was founded on slavery, colonization and racism, and that's why a large group of people don't trust you, says Kusum Crimmel.

- When a white man takes a defensive stance and confronts, white masculinity is reinforced. It doesn't make me want to get to know you.

The idea that all whites are racists and that whiteness should be treated is generating strong reactions from the right in the American racial debate.

In September 2020, then-President Donald Trump stopped the use of taxpayer money for anti-racism training in public institutions.

- We pay people hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach very bad and - frankly - very sick ideas. They teach people to hate our country, Trump said at the time.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)


Markus

[August]

I know huh?

[Skybird]

I..I...I am out of words

(Following article has been translated-Sine I could not find any English version of this Danish version)



Markus
We gget also taught that there are over 60 genders and that genetics decide nothing. Its depressing how willingly many people believe the biggest drivel and the most mind-killing madness. We turn ourselves into lunatics. Who benefits from driving these suicidal movements? Those who want to destroy western societies from within. You see it in climate "activist" organisations, too. Often, financier with putspoken marxist-maoist agenda arepulling the strings in the background, like they since decades also hat controlled the german anti atom movement and the peace movement. Russia often has its fingers in the game, too.



People seem to crave for believing just every s##t. Shows how degenerated our educational standard and our intellectual resilience have become. Our culture indeed degenerates.

[vienna]

Comparison of presidents’ classified records handling distorts cooperation with authorities --

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/jan/31/comparison-in-social-media-post-distorts-past-pres/




<O>

[ET2SN]

Comparison of presidents’ classified records handling distorts cooperation with authorities --

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/jan/31/comparison-in-social-media-post-distorts-past-pres/




<O>

But, but, but,.... What about Benghazi,.......and Hunter's laptop,....and the e-mails,.....and the space lasers,.....and the Venezuelan voting machines???????


:k_confused:

[ET2SN]

We get also taught that there are over 60 genders and that genetics decide nothing.

Ummm.. Can you understand why we get concerned when your people start harping about genetics? :timeout:

Yeah, I know. It was a cheap shot but I think you can handle it. :O:

:Kaleun_Cheers:

[MaDef]

@mupac, that "therapist" (and I use that term loosely), is from California. And that alone should indicate that she's so full of it, her eyes are brown. :salute:

[Rockstar]

What a stupid article. Blame people raising backyard chickens for the rising prices in poultry / eggs. Ignoring the over 58 million birds which have been quarantined and killed since February of last year due the biggest bird flu outbreak since who knows when.

Cute title though it has puppies teehee :/\\k:

Forget Pandemic Puppies. Meet the Inflation Chicken.

https://dnyuz.com/2023/02/02/forget-pandemic-puppies-meet-the-inflation-chicken/

[Otto Harkaman]

Hunter Biden accused of 'intimidation' as it is revealed he was hit with $75K lawsuit by Delaware laptop repairman five days BEFORE he demanded DOJ prosecute anyone who shared his hard drive

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11708809/Hunter-Biden-accused-intimidation-75k-defamation-suit-Delaware-laptop-repairman.html

[Rockstar]

See Dowly, I told ya. :03:

[Rockstar]

Comparison of presidents’ classified records handling distorts cooperation with authorities --

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/jan/31/comparison-in-social-media-post-distorts-past-pres/




<O>


When the po po ask if they can search your person, home or effects you politely and respectfully say no thank you. Don’t ever give a law enforcement agency unrestricted access, that’s not cooperation that’s stupid, because if they find something your cooperation will still send you straight to jail.

The FBI was fully prepared to serve a warrant to search the Biden property. Reports I’ve read say that before Biden consented to a search the deal was, the DOJ had to allow Biden's lawyers to conduct their own search first, I’m sure just to tidy things up :). I don’t doubt the Biden team also worked out limits where DOJ could look. IMO all this cooperation does is make the investigators job easier developing probable cause a crime was committed. However, even if Biden’s handlers are setting him up to be the fall guy I doubt anything will happen to him. Considering everyone one those hucksters in office are most likely guilty of mishandling classmat “…you can’t arrest everyone”.

I bet the next headline will read the crackhead was somehow involved.

[August]

The problem with comparing presidential records is that Biden was not president when he removed all those classified documents from the Scif. Presidents have unilateral authority to decide on their classification. Vice Presidents and Senators do not have that power.

[Rockstar]

No doubt, different circumstances different investigations. But it all does appear to boil down to peoples, arrogant irresponsible behavior and mishandling & loss of classified material.

[MaDef]

The problem with comparing presidential records is that Biden was not president when he removed all those classified documents from the Scif. Presidents have unilateral authority to decide on their classification. Vice Presidents and Senators do not have that power.

That's part of it, The other part is, I keep hearing the term "classified documents" bandied about. is that reference to single pages (such as top sheets, meeting minutes, or travel itineraries), multi page documents and or complete files? Are these disparate documents or is there a common subject or theme running through them? And finally what is the classification of the documents, are they "eyes only", "top secret", "secret", "confidential", or a mix?

[August]

That's part of it, The other part is, I keep hearing the term "classified documents" bandied about. is that reference to single pages (such as top sheets, meeting minutes, or travel itineraries), multi page documents and or complete files? Are these disparate documents or is there a common subject or theme running through them? And finally what is the classification of the documents, are they "eyes only", "top secret", "secret", "confidential", or a mix?


I believe that at least some of the documents found at both Trumps and Bidens house were marked Top Secret SCI which is as high as it goes. Probably not all of them though.

[em2nought]

What a stupid article. Blame people raising backyard chickens for the rising prices in poultry / eggs. Ignoring the over 58 million birds which have been quarantined and killed since February of last year due the biggest bird flu outbreak since who knows when.

Cute title though it has puppies teehee :/\\k:

Forget Pandemic Puppies. Meet the Inflation Chicken.

https://dnyuz.com/2023/02/02/forget-pandemic-puppies-meet-the-inflation-chicken/ :D

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/cartoon-chicken-her-baby-chick-wearing-protective-mask-against-corona-virus-vector-cartoon-chicken-her-baby-chick-181437103.jpg

[Rockstar]

I believe that at least some of the documents found at both Trumps and Bidens house were marked Top Secret SCI which is as high as it goes. Probably not all of them though.

There are other documents that don’t have any fancy folders and markings. These are hand written notes taken during briefings about classified subjects that can get easily lost or find their way into cardboard boxes in a garage.

[Dowly]

See Dowly, I told ya. :03::06: I haven't even posted in this thread in over two weeks.

[August]

There are other documents that don’t have any fancy folders and markings. These are hand written notes taken during briefings about classified subjects that can get easily lost or find their way into cardboard boxes in a garage.


There are rules about taking notes out of the SCIF too.

[August]

Here are two predictions about the Chinese spy balloon now floating across the continental U.S.
First, we'll learn that President Joe Biden (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/joe-biden) was offered a shoot-down option with very low risk to Montanans. Second, Beijing will come to deeply regret this incident.

Whatever political challenges the balloon poses for Biden, Xi Jinping (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/xi-jinping) has made a big mistake. In exchange for what is likely to be very limited new intelligence data, Xi has crystallized China's threat to the U.S. in a directly physical and unequivocally aggressive form. All of Xi's recent work trying to shift away from China's self-destructive "wolf warrior" diplomacy (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/chinese-communists-embrace-rabid-wolf-strategy)/violent antics (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/uk-offers-pathetic-response-to-chinese-diplomats-attack-sending-bad-signal-for-us-special-relationship) has floated off into the ether.
Yes, there is a litany of far more serious Chinese threats to U.S. national security (https://www.tomroganthinks.com/2014/10/china.html) than this balloon. These include Beijing's vast intellectual property theft, responsible for thieving hundreds of billions of dollars from the U.S. each year. They include China's highly capable anti-ship ballistic missiles, designed to force American aircraft carriers far away from Chinese (or Taiwanese) shores. They include China's overseas police stations, used to harass innocent people living abroad. They include the seduction of American corporations, entertainment and sports entities, and powerful investors into the Communist Party's service.
But this balloon encapsulates China's threat in a way that none of those other threats has yet achieved. Indeed, were one tasked with inventing a way to scare or anger Americans in a memorable fashion, this balloon flight would fit the bill perfectly.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/chinas-self-inflicted-balloon-shot

[em2nought]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/chinas-self-inflicted-balloon-shot

Balloon is probably just carrying some gain of function research results our government paid for which Chyna is just now returning to us. So kind of them. :D

Silly buggers stealing ideas off the Japanese
https://valourcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Japanese20Balloon20Bomb20inset.jpg

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/YGVnERMwG8M

[Rockstar]

Walls don’t work in Texas and Arizona. They work everywhere in the world, just not in those two states.

[Buddahaid]

I think I'll vote for Nikki Haley just to piss y'all off. I hope she comes out pissing all over DeSantis and Trump full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes. The GOP needs a reboot.

[MaDef]

I believe that at least some of the documents found at both Trumps and Bidens house were marked Top Secret SCI which is as high as it goes. Probably not all of them though.

There are other documents that don’t have any fancy folders and markings. These are hand written notes taken during briefings about classified subjects that can get easily lost or find their way into cardboard boxes in a garage.

Does this information on the classification come from the "press" via anonymous sources, or did the National archives release a statement indicating the level and type of material?

I'm starting to think that this "classified document" scandal is a" much ado about nothing" story and is being used as a misdirection by this Administration.

The finding of "classified" documents in unauthorized places seems to be so routine that the National Archives has FAQ's available for instances when people find them, and how to return them via the U.S. postal service.

How does Classified Information end up in Private Collections?

Former government officials and contractors have been known to retain papers containing classified national security information and eventually donate them to private archives. Often, it is not until these records are formally processed that archivists realize a collection contains classified information. If an archive or a library has not received Federal approval to store classified materials, continuing to store the records in an unapproved area could be endangering national security. In these instances, the institution should contact the Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO) at the National Archives and arrange for these records to be securely stored. ISOO will maintain temporary custody of the records through the declassification process.

By contacting ISOO you will be respecting the access restrictions placed on that information by the U.S. government. ISOO, in turn, will respect the rights of your institution to maintain the integrity of collections of donated personal papers.

The sentence I underlined is the part that has me thinking this whole scandal is some sort of smokescreen for something else.

[Rockstar]

Does this information on the classification come from the "press" via anonymous sources, or did the National archives release a statement indicating the level and type of material?

I'm starting to think that this "classified document" scandal is a" much ado about nothing" story and is being used as a misdirection by this Administration.

The finding of "classified" documents in unauthorized places seems to be so routine that the National Archives has FAQ's available for instances when people find them, and how to return them via the U.S. postal service.



The sentence I underlined is the part that has me thinking this whole scandal is some sort of smokescreen for something else.


Misdirection from what? I’m just guessing, but I think the only two biggest concerns that have people attention are the economy and Ukraine and I don’t think either have much drama attached.

Maybe our spooks found certain intel subjects had become known to foreign sources and our guys are just tracking down possible leaks. Such as elected officials not putting intel sheets back where they belong and eventually losing track of them allowing any crackhead on the street access to it.

So I’m still going with the possibility Uncle Sam is just tightening up procedure and accountability, gathering up stuff that should have been secured a long time ago. Which of course lends itself to the usual childish party fanboy tit for tat headlines and similar derp.

That’s my story and I’m sticking too it until I hear otherwise. :D

Btw, “How does Classified Information end up in Private Collections?” Good info. :up:

[MaDef]

Misdirection from what? I’m just guessing, but I think the only two biggest concerns that have people attention are the economy and Ukraine and I don’t think either have much drama attached.

I'm thinking more along the lines of "rules & regulations". The recent dustup over gas ranges comes to mind, another would be the expansion of the 10 knot speed limit to include all craft between 35' & 65' long. Or the proposed change to how unrealized capital gains are taxed. and the list goes on and on. And I'd lay odds that gun control and policing (by law enforcement) will be one of the main topics at the State of the Union Speech.

[Rockstar]

Hey look Biden shot down a balloon, it’s the first thing he’s ever done to combat inflation. ‘ba-dum-bum-ching‘ :haha:


https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article29130620.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_Explosion-in-the-sky-above-Billings-Montana-where-Chinese-spy-balloon-was-spotted-infiltrating-US.jpg

[Rockstar]

I'm thinking more along the lines of "rules & regulations". The recent dustup over gas ranges comes to mind, another would be the expansion of the 10 knot speed limit to include all craft between 35' & 65' long. Or the proposed change to how unrealized capital gains are taxed. and the list goes on and on. And I'd lay odds that gun control and policing (by law enforcement) will be one of the main topics at the State of the Union Speech.

Meh, I don’t have a gas stove so I’m not sweating it. :D. Here’s a link to the letter describing requested changes to gas stoves. https://www.booker.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/booker_beyer_lead_colleagues_in_urging_cpsc_to_add ress_dangerous_indoor_air_pollutions_emitted_by_ga s_stoves.pdf

The speed limits for boats are IMO beneficial to the Northern Right Whale which has been listed in the ESA for well over 25 years. Can it help? Tough call, having enforced operating restrictions in NRW areas it’s not easy, but it can’t hurt. I think every protection should be afforded them. Plus the speed zones will most likely be seasonal and restricted to calving grounds. Florida is already littered with speed zones for every type and size watercraft to protect Manatees. Sure beats killing children and poisoning the environment with toxins mining rare earth metals in the name of saving the planet.

As for unrealized capital gains, they’re not taxed. Only after you sell your shares does Uncle step in and take a slice of your pie and the amount will depend on your tax bracket and if they were long or short term gains. It was tweaked but I don’t think it’s a big deal. That’s not say they won’t make the usual political hay out of it though.

[em2nought]

Hey look Biden shot down a balloon, it’s the first thing he’s ever done to combat inflation. ‘ba-dum-bum-ching‘ :haha:


:har:

[Gorpet]

Meh, I don’t have a gas stove so I’m not sweating it. :D. Here’s a link to the letter describing requested changes to gas stoves. https://www.booker.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/booker_beyer_lead_colleagues_in_urging_cpsc_to_add ress_dangerous_indoor_air_pollutions_emitted_by_ga s_stoves.pdf

The speed limits for boats are IMO beneficial to the Northern Right Whale which has been listed in the ESA for well over 25 years. Can it help? Tough call, having enforced operating restrictions in NRW areas it’s not easy, but it can’t hurt. I think every protection should be afforded them. Plus the speed zones will most likely be seasonal and restricted to calving grounds. Florida is already littered with speed zones for every type and size watercraft to protect Manatees. Sure beats killing children and poisoning the environment with toxins mining rare earth metals in the name of saving the planet.

As for unrealized capital gains, they’re not taxed. Only after you sell your shares does Uncle step in and take a slice of your pie and the amount will depend on your tax bracket and if they were long or short term gains. It was tweaked but I don’t think it’s a big deal. That’s not say they won’t make the usual political hay out of it though.

Look here only the rich in Florida.And there are Democrats who eat what they want when they want they don't get their **** where you get yours.And yes if you go to Publix or Winn Dixie you get their leftovers. we love Joe

[Gorpet]

Look here only the rich in Florida.And there are Democrats who eat what they want when they want they don't get their **** where you get yours.And yes if you go to Publix or Winn Dixie you get their leftovers. we love Joe
And yes nobody that doesn't make 200,000.00 a year can't afford a boat. Mater of fact we can't even own a Jon boat. You see the Aluminium boat that gave the Floridan's their freedom. Is no more, We must send Aluminium to Ukraine. Will i get my Aluminium boat back. Or will it be Russian missiles this summer?

[Gorpet]

What,Can i say to all the peoples who flocked here looking for the land of milk and honey. this summer you will get bright lights in the sky.

[les green01]

And yes nobody that doesn't make 200,000.00 a year can't afford a boat. Mater of fact we can't even own a Jon boat. You see the Aluminium boat that gave the Floridan's their freedom. Is no more, We must send Aluminium to Ukraine. Will i get my Aluminium boat back. Or will it be Russian missiles this summer?

go to another state and get a jon boat hell they are a dime a dozen

[Gorpet]

The reason Putin is the bad man,Is because he doesn't want to be a member of the new world order.Look around are you happy?
You see there was a guy named Mayo Zedong, you have to look that up if you want to know.His idea was Let's wipe out the past and we will create a new China.And they have, I love it a Balloon over the skies of America.The people who get up at 4:00 am and work till 7:00 pm Just do not see these things.

[Buddahaid]

go to another state and get a jon boat hell they are a dime a dozen

:Kaleun_Wink: Hell, if DeSantis can get refugees from Texas you should be able to get a boat...

[les green01]

:Kaleun_Wink: Hell, if DeSantis can get refugees from Texas you should be able to get a boat...

or get lucky and find one floating down the river lol which is how i got the last one around here a good john boat or v bottom can be got for 100 dollars

[em2nought]

The reason Putin is the bad man, is because he doesn't want to be a member of the new world order.

It's unfortunate that it's so hard to find someone powerful who's willing to stand up to their new world order BS. :hmmm:

[MaDef]

Meh, I don’t have a gas stove so I’m not sweating it. :D. Here’s a link to the letter describing requested changes to gas stoves.

"It doesn't effect me, so I don't care" Typical response. FYI, the "regulations" Booker is asking for is already covered under virtually all local building codes. In my entire life I've never seen a wood, gas, propane, or electric stove that didn't have some sort of ventilation system associated with it, and I've spent considerable time in different parts of the U.S.

(got a previous engagement, will finish response later)

[les green01]

give feds a inch they take a mile we going have to watch out for assault shoves now.

[Rockstar]

"It doesn't effect me, so I don't care" Typical response. FYI, the "regulations" Booker is asking for is already covered under virtually all local building codes. In my entire life I've never seen a wood, gas, propane, or electric stove that didn't have some sort of ventilation system associated with it, and I've spent considerable time in different parts of the U.S.

(got a previous engagement, will finish response later)

So if these regulations already exist then what’s the point of the letter? IMO it’s in the letter, he’s pandering to all the poor Black and Hispanic households with gas stoves. Like the song goes… He cares a lot, did you see the letter Booker wrote?

(We care a lot) about disasters, fires, floods and killer bees
about the NASA shuttle falling in the sea
(We care a lot) about starvation and the food that Live Aid bought
(We care a lot) about disease, baby Rock, Hudson, rock, yeah!

And it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it....

(We care a lot) About the gamblers and the pushers and the freaks
(We care a lot) About the people who live off the street
(We care a lot) About the welfare of all the boys and girls
(We care a lot) About you people cause we're out to save the world
Yeah!


https://youtu.be/7GnGwlBRe7w

[em2nought]

"It doesn't effect me, so I don't care" Typical response. FYI, the "regulations" Booker is asking for is already covered under virtually all local building codes. In my entire life I've never seen a wood, gas, propane, or electric stove that didn't have some sort of ventilation system associated with it, and I've spent considerable time in different parts of the U.S.

(got a previous engagement, will finish response later)

Why not ban gas water heaters and whole house heaters while they're at it if they really want to be safe for the children? I've seen some pretty bad vent jobs on gas hot water heaters. ...and what about chimney fires? Let's ban chimneys. :har:

[MaDef]

So if these regulations already exist then what’s the point of the letter? IMO it’s in the letter, he’s pandering to all the poor Black and Hispanic households with gas stoves. Like the song goes… He cares a lot, did you see the letter Booker wrote?
I did read the letter, the focus seems to be on the pollution gas ranges produce (aka climate change), tying it to health risks is a way to garner support for an eventual ban. think about it, if the powers that be can't stop (they can reduce it, which they have) oil/gas production via legislation, they'll come at it from a different angle. That angle is an attempt to reduce the demand on gas and oil.

Why not ban gas water heaters and whole house heaters while they're at it if they really want to be safe for the children? I've seen some pretty bad vent jobs on gas hot water heaters. ...and what about chimney fires? Let's ban chimneys. :har: (Baby steps :up:) Look at California for a glimpse on what is being attempted here by the Feds. Currently California has a 1/2 a dozen cities that have banned all gas appliances in new construction dwellings (not sure if the ban extends to commercial side), San Francisco, Berkley, the entire Marin County. And L.A. is following suit this year. A ban on the sale of new gas appliances for the entire State is set to go into effect in 2030.

[Rockstar]

I did read the letter, the focus seems to be on the pollution gas ranges produce (aka climate change), tying it to health risks is a way to garner support for an eventual ban. think about it, if the powers that be can't stop (they can reduce it, which they have) oil/gas production via legislation, they'll come at it from a different angle. That angle is an attempt to reduce the demand on gas and oil.

(Baby steps :up:) Look at California for a glimpse on what is being attempted here by the Feds. Currently California has a 1/2 a dozen cities that have banned all gas appliances in new construction dwellings (not sure if the ban extends to commercial side), San Francisco, Berkley, the entire Marin County. And L.A. is following suit this year. A ban on the sale of new gas appliances for the entire State is set to go into effect in 2030.


Ya that is weird, AND confusing. On the Pacific side, California is banning gas appliances. Across the Atlantic, German’s we’re colluding with Putin to build gas lines to power their appliances. And both are claiming to be the ones saving the planet, you know AGW and all that jazz. :har:

[les green01]

best way to save the planet make it where democrats cant reproduce

[Buddahaid]

Ya that is weird, AND confusing. On the Pacific side, California is banning gas appliances. Across the Atlantic, German’s we’re colluding with Putin to build gas lines to power their appliances. And both are claiming to be the ones saving the planet, you know AGW and all that jazz. :har:

But not stoves.

"Under a proposal unanimously approved from the California Air Resources Board (CARB) Thursday, The Golden State voted to ban the sale of all natural gas-fired space heaters and water-heating appliances by 2030.

The move is designed to meet EPA regulations limiting ozone in the atmosphere to 70 parts per billion, as experts say most of the state exceeds that limit."

[Buddahaid]

I heard today that Koch will not back Trump for 2024 and it looks like Nikkie Haley will get the backing instead.

[Rockstar]

But not stoves.

"Under a proposal unanimously approved from the California Air Resources Board (CARB) Thursday, The Golden State voted to ban the sale of all natural gas-fired space heaters and water-heating appliances by 2030.

The move is designed to meet EPA regulations limiting ozone in the atmosphere to 70 parts per billion, as experts say most of the state exceeds that limit."

Kewl, thanks for the clarification. :up:

Hopefully there is a solid plan to upgrade the power grid overtime to handle the new loads put on it. From what I’ve read a quarter of California’s population is using gas.

[Buddahaid]

Kewl, thanks for the clarification. :up:

Hopefully there is a solid plan to upgrade the power grid overtime to handle the new loads put on it. From what I’ve read a quarter of California’s population is using gas.

Like me but my house is 99 years old. PG&E promoted gas pretty aggressively in the seventies as well as the AGA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqd0WFomb58&t=280s

[Rockstar]

Like me but my house is 99 years old. PG&E promoted gas pretty aggressively in the seventies as well as the AGA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqd0WFomb58&t=280s

Does your home still have knob and tube wiring, not really equipped to handle modern power loads. :(

[les green01]

hope you guys got them old houses check for asbestos late 70's early 80's fact is going take more than a country or two and some countries not going do a thing about it but keep throwing crap in the air,ocean .do you think that vete in a garage is electric or every time them folks in dc hops on a jet

[Buddahaid]

Does your home still have knob and tube wiring, not really equipped to handle modern power loads. :(

It did for the ceiling lights, but the kitchen remodel pretty much replace everything from the power pole, and what was left of the knob and tube wiring was replaced under that permit. New gas and water lines too.

[Buddahaid]

hope you guys got them old houses check for asbestos late 70's early 80's fact is going take more than a country or two and some countries not going do a thing about it but keep throwing crap in the air,ocean .do you think that vete in a garage is electric or every time them folks in dc hops on a jet

The only asbestos was under some of the old kitchen flooring. The house is Douglas fir framing with redwood siding. Cheap materials a hundred years ago.

[August]

My house was built in 1969. I've been here for 14 years and haven't spotted any asbestos so far.

[MaDef]

See Rockstar... It's all about climate change. :yeah:

[August]

See Rockstar... It's all about climate change. :yeah:


Oh well about that I say the only constant is change and it's typical human arrogance to take credit for it.

[Buddahaid]

Oh well about that I say the only constant is change and it's typical human arrogance to take credit for it.

That's a fresh perspective and I think I like it. Change keeps economies moving, and if you try to stop it, you just fall behind and then no one else cares after awhile.

[Buddahaid]

So how is that big Twitter Biden laptop hearing working out for the MAGA Republicans?

[August]

So how is that big Twitter Biden laptop hearing working out for the MAGA Republicans?




Dunno, you must think it's not going well because here you are making snarky comments. :)

[Buddahaid]

Dunno, you must think it's not going well because here you are making snarky comments. :)

Oh, I actually think it is going well.

I think the MAGA Republicans need to do some serious thinking outside of believing their own propaganda if they want Congressional Hearings to do anything but make them look like valley girls in a snit. It's the best comedy going right now.

“Mr. Turley turning to you. Have you ever worked for Twitter?” Wasserman Schultz began.

“No,” Turley replied.

“Do you have any formal relationship with the company?” she followed up.

“No, I just have an account,” Turley answered.

“Do you have any specific or special or unique knowledge about the inner workings of Twitter?” she pushed.

“Nothing beyond the Twitter Files and what I read in the media,” Turley noted.

“So essentially, your responses to the questions here today were your own opinion and pure conjecture?” she asked.

“No, I wouldn’t say that. I mean, they’re based. I try to base them on what we know from the Twitter Files,” Turley responded, referencing select data dumps that Elon Musk gave to various independent journalists to comb through.

“Well, but you said that you don’t have any specific or unique knowledge of Twitter, but you spoke as if you did. You were asked very specific questions about Twitter’s — the way Twitter functions and the decision-making that they make. But yet you don’t have any unique or special knowledge about Twitter and have never worked for them. And so this is only just your opinion, would you say, as a Twitter account user?” Wasserman Schultz demanded.

“No. I come to give legal analysis based on facts that are in the public domain, and I was really referring to what I was asked about,” Turley replied.

“Reclaiming my time,” Wasserman Schultz interjected. “Legal analysis is another word for opinion.”

“I would, I would think there is some distinction. But yeah, it’s all ultimately, is an opinion. But I believe the question to me was based on what the Twitter Files show, and that was my reading of the Twitter Files,” Turley conceded.

“Right. And again, that’s another way of describing your opinion being offered, which was represented as unique and special fact, which you don’t possess. Thank you. I yield back the balance of my time,” Wasserman Schultz concluded.

[Rockstar]

So how is that big Twitter Biden laptop hearing working out for the MAGA Republicans?

I reckon about as well as the Blue Anon Democrats Trump collusion, insurrection, classmat handling etc. etc… hearings went or are going I guess. BOONDOGGLE

[Buddahaid]

I reckon about as well as the Blue Anon Democrats Trump collusion, insurrection, classmat handling etc. etc… hearings went or are going I guess. BOONDOGGLE

Fair enough. See you in April.

[Rockstar]

Only place you’ll see me in April is on the beach surf fishing. It’s the last chance in Florida for Pompano as they head north for the summer.

[Buddahaid]

Only place you’ll see me in April is on the beach surf fishing. It’s the last chance in Florida for Pompano as they head north for the summer.

I wish I could be there, sounds like fun.

[Ostfriese]

I think the MAGA Republicans need to do some serious thinking...


You're asking a lot here. :03:

[Buddahaid]

And now there is a laptop of a Trump aide with a copy of a classified document on it in violation of the espionage act as reported. Somehow, I doubt there will be an innocent reason for this.

[les green01]

now biden going after washers and fridges :har:

[u crank]

Oh, I actually think it is going well.

I think the MAGA Republicans need to do some serious thinking outside of believing their own propaganda if they want Congressional Hearings to do anything but make them look like valley girls in a snit. It's the best comedy going right now.

“Mr. Turley turning to you. Have you ever worked for Twitter?” Wasserman Schultz began.

“No,” Turley replied.


JONATHAN TURLEY: The congresswoman was asking if I've ever worked at Twitter as a condition for my talking about what the Twitter Files say. It's like saying you have to work at the Pentagon if you want to testify about the implications of the Pentagon Papers. The point of witnesses before committees is often to give legal analysis based on what is known and what could be found in this investigation. The exchange she was referring to was a member who expressly asked me about the Twitter Files and what this suggests about what I've called censorship by surrogate. And then she went into this issue of, 'Well, you've never worked at Twitter. How do you know what goes on at Twitter?,' which is completely absurd. The whole premise of my testimony was that Twitter has now authenticated and confirmed these facts. These facts are coming from Twitter. These are Twitter files. And the facts indicate that they had weekly meetings with the government. They indicate that the government would send long lists of citizens and others to be targeted, censored, to be in some cases, banned. Those are very serious allegations that raise constitutional questions, which is why I was there to discuss it.


https://www.foxnews.com/media/turley-fires-back-democrat-attacking-credibility-house-hearing-completely-absurd

[Buddahaid]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/turley-fires-back-democrat-attacking-credibility-house-hearing-completely-absurd

Well that's FOX. I'll take what he said as the truth. "it’s all ultimately, is an opinion."

[u crank]

Well that's FOX. I'll take what he said as the truth. "it’s all ultimately, is an opinion."

What’s FOX got to do with what he is saying?

[August]

What’s FOX got to do with what he is saying?


He must be claiming that Fox made it all up. I mean after all why else would he concentrate upon the messenger instead of the message?

[u crank]

He must be claiming that Fox made it all up. I mean after all why else would he concentrate upon the messenger instead of the message?

Yea, if that is the standard then what about CNN?

[August]

Yea, if that is the standard then what about CNN?

They spin like the news like turbocharged Hanukkah dreidels but even they would have a hard time refuting his point:

JONATHAN TURLEY: The congresswoman was asking if I've ever worked at Twitter as a condition for my talking about what the Twitter Files say. It's like saying you have to work at the Pentagon if you want to testify about the implications of the Pentagon Papers. The point of witnesses before committees is often to give legal analysis based on what is known and what could be found in this investigation. The exchange she was referring to was a member who expressly asked me about the Twitter Files and what this suggests about what I've called censorship by surrogate. And then she went into this issue of, 'Well, you've never worked at Twitter. How do you know what goes on at Twitter?,' which is completely absurd. The whole premise of my testimony was that Twitter has now authenticated and confirmed these facts. These facts are coming from Twitter. These are Twitter files. And the facts indicate that they had weekly meetings with the government. They indicate that the government would send long lists of citizens and others to be targeted, censored, to be in some cases, banned. Those are very serious allegations that raise constitutional questions, which is why I was there to discuss it.

I for one would be interested in hearing Buddas opinion on the above rather than his commentary on network bias.

[les green01]

news you want the best news open your door and look out news networks just going tell you what they want to tell you or what they want you to believe.

[Skybird]

Not as wanted and thus kept secret.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/11/trump-campaign-report-electoral-fraud/

[Rockstar]

Not as wanted and thus kept secret.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/11/trump-campaign-report-electoral-fraud/

Oh christ here we go again :roll:. “according to four people familiar with the matter.” “dozens of people said” which means what? Furthermore it’s no secret but just in case you missed it the official results were in December 12th 2020 and he lost the election. That was over two years ago, do try to keep up.

[Skybird]

He is still in denial.
Many still beleive him.
He will be candidating again.
Russia predominantly would vote for him. :O:

After the attempted coup is before the next attempted coup.

[Rockstar]

Trump is in denial. Tell me something I don’t know, everyone of them piss and moan when they lose elections, everything from hanging chads, to getting rid of the electoral college when they don’t get their way. And papers more than ever seem to rely on their readers believing faceless, nameless, anonymous sources for their stories and on top of that don’t really tell us anything new.

[mapuc]

Trump is in denial. Tell me something I don’t know, everyone of them piss and moan when they lose elections, everything from hanging chads, to getting rid of the electoral college when they don’t get their way. And papers more than ever seem to rely on their readers believing faceless, nameless, anonymous sources for their stories and on top of that don’t really tell us anything new.

One thing I very, very convinced of is that Mr. Trump will, if not destroy the Republican party, then divide it.

How many percentage of the Rep voters who will put their vote on Trump I can't say. I would say more than 20 %.

Which mean the Dem-are going to win Next election-No matter who they put forward as candidate(in this case Biden)

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Sure FOX. They go to trial in two months over the 1.6 billion Dominion lawsuit and they are being called out for hiding evidence.

But let's talk about Trump's troubles.

Special Council Jack Smith:
Investigating the NARA records - obstruction of justice indictment looming
and possible espionage act complications.

Investigating 2020 election interference and Jan 6th insurrection.

Fani Willis:
Fulton County election interference.

Manhattan DA:
Stormy Daniel's hush money - new special grand jury empaneled on an
illegal campaign contribution in 2016 paid by Trump through Coen.

NY AG Letitia James:
Tax fraud by the trump organization's cooking the books.

And there is also now evidence of campaign violation through money laundering of one million dollars paid by the Save America Pact to the Cyber Ninja recount of the Mariposa County, AZ election results.

[u crank]

What’s FOX got to do with what he is saying?

How about answering my question?

[Buddahaid]

How about answering my question?

By giving him a platform to try and discredit how he was expertly maneuvered into admitting all he had to offer was personal opinion during his testimony. By his own words he admitted it was his opinion.

[u crank]

By giving him a platform to try and discredit how he was expertly maneuvered into admitting all he had to offer was personal opinion during his testimony. By his own words he admitted it was his opinion.

Of course it was his own opinion. Whose else's would it be? I'm pretty sure that is why he was there, to give his opinion.

The whole premise of my testimony was that Twitter has now authenticated and confirmed these facts. These facts are coming from Twitter. These are Twitter files. And the facts indicate that they had weekly meetings with the government. They indicate that the government would send long lists of citizens and others to be targeted, censored, to be in some cases, banned. Those are very serious allegations that raise constitutional questions, which is why I was there to discuss it.

[Skybird]

Trump is in denial. Tell me something I don’t know, everyone of them piss and moan when they lose elections, everything from hanging chads, to getting rid of the electoral college when they don’t get their way. And papers more than ever seem to rely on their readers believing faceless, nameless, anonymous sources for their stories and on top of that don’t really tell us anything new.
Hes tood apart. And at congress elecitons, a small handfull of his party comrade tried the same stunt like him again.

No, the example he gave cannot be compared with any other. It stands for itself. That's why no one in his right mind will ever let it out of his sight again. "Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - shame on me."

[Buddahaid]

Of course it was his own opinion. Whose else's would it be? I'm pretty sure that is why he was there, to give his opinion.

He was there as an expert witness and shown to not have any more basis for the claim than you or me.

[u crank]

He was there as an expert witness and shown to not have any more basis for the claim than you or me.

It would appear that Mr. Turley has researched the matter at hand and is well able to expound on it.

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/turley.testimony.weaponization.pdf

[Buddahaid]

It would appear that Mr. Turley has researched the matter at hand and is well able to expound on it.

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/turley.testimony.weaponization.pdf

Good for him. Useless as testimony.

[u crank]

Good for him. Useless as testimony.

Good for him? Wow, how mature.

You realize that the 'good for him' will be entered into the record. And that is all that matters.

[Buddahaid]

In the end it's still an opinion and will remain opinion no matter how many titles or degrees he accumulates. Are you suggesting it isn't when even he said it is opinion?

[u crank]

In the end it's still an opinion and will remain opinion no matter how many titles or degrees he accumulates. Are you suggesting it isn't when even he said it is opinion?

:hmmm:

Of course it was his own opinion. Whose else's would it be? I'm pretty sure that is why he was there, to give his opinion.

[Buddahaid]

:hmmm:

So what is your point then? His opinion should be treated as factual evidence?

[u crank]

So what is your point then? His opinion should be treated as factual evidence?

I never said his opinion was factual evidence. I said it was opinion. Twice. He never said it was factual evidence. He has pointed out what was already known about the Twitter files and has given his legal and constitutional opinion about those known facts. I don't know how else to explain it.

I'm done.

[Buddahaid]

We just keep repeating ourselves anyway.

[les green01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjx_ma5aZNo

[Rockstar]

This is what happens when you don’t step back and ask questions and instead just become a member of largest most gullible Blue Anon conspiracy theorist group ever known to mankind a.k.a. The Democrat party fanboi.

I get a kick out of it when I think how people’s continued obsession with Trump is based on orchestrated lies and illusion.

https://youtu.be/eWQGYpSoiYU

[Buddahaid]

This is what happens when you don’t step back and ask questions and instead just become a member of largest most gullible Blue Anon conspiracy theorist group ever known to mankind a.k.a. The Democrat party fanboi.

I get a kick out of it when I think how people’s continued obsession with Trump is based on orchestrated lies and illusion.

Wow, you're right! Only people who step back and ask questions belief crap like this from the chief Maghat.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/6352/ooMG53.png

[Rockstar]

Wow, you're right! Only people who step back and ask questions belief crap like this from the chief Maghat.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/6352/ooMG53.png

You’re barking up the wrong tree dude. I don’t think for a minute anyone here pays any attention to that crap either and sees it for what it is, crap and most certainly no reason pay attention to him or vote for the guy. However I do think there are gullible koolaid drinking party fanbois on both sides of the spectrum. I just find that Blue Anon a.k.a. the Democrat party is the largest and most vocal group of the two.

The only time I see the above crap is when you post it.

[Buddahaid]

The funny part is some of that crap and the Q-anon stuff that goes with it will end up as evidence against him in the legal proceedings.

[Rockstar]

The funny part is some of that crap and the Q-anon stuff that goes with it will end up as evidence against him in the legal proceedings.

That’s nice but I don’t care, and so the battle between Blue anon and Qanon continues.

[Buddahaid]

That’s nice but I don’t care, and so the battle between Blue anon and Qanon continues.

The GOP will not be relevant again until it shat's Trump and the Trump mini me's proving how stupid they are when they have to speak in more than sound bites to social media.

[ET2SN]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/1161309/story_image/TMW2023-02-13color.png?1676225327


:O:

[Rockstar]

The GOP will not be relevant again until it shat's Trump and the Trump mini me's proving how stupid they are when they have to speak in more than sound bites to social media.

OK. that’s nice, I’m chiefin a blunt right now hoping it might help but umm nope. I still don’t care. In fact I kinda feel that I care even less than did before about the great Blue Anon Qanon battle, though I don’t think it’s really possible. Oh oh here comes the time dilation and munchies. Gonna take me forever to get to the fridge.

[MaDef]

The GOP will not be relevant again until it shat's Trump and the Trump mini me's proving how stupid they are when they have to speak in more than sound bites to social media.

2+ years that Trump has been out of office and he's still living rent free in your head.

Keep on keeping on. :salute:

[Catfish]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/1161309/story_image/TMW2023-02-13color.png?1676225327
:O:
:haha: :yep:

[Buddahaid]

Nikki Haley throws her hat in the ring and I think she has Koch Industries behind her. This should be fun to watch.

[Skybird]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/study-shows-striking-number-news-misinforms-97213885


Trust in news reporting is extremely low. New study goes beyond earlier such studies.

[Rockstar]

Hmmm let me try something here,


TRUMP

[Buddahaid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI0ryk39H4w

[Rockstar]

It worked!

Let me try it again,

TRUMP

[Buddahaid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flypug19Rs8

:haha:

[Rockstar]

First two tests of Stimulus Response Conditioning Theory is remarkable. Third Stimulus response test required to prove the belief that behavior manifests as a result of the interplay between stimulus and response. Wish me luck :)

TRUMP

[Buddahaid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQeNE0LyEw

[Gorpet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQeNE0LyEw

I built the same model rockets. Back when i was a young man in the Reagan years. And what we send to Ukraine today kill's people. Hey if it will save the planet keep the electricity on for the you.Right you have paid your dues somehow.And if you were born 2 steps above on that aluminum ladder than anybody else or better. I think your just an old dog, setting comfortable.Space Chicken:up::up: What the hell is this ? Sorry Elon's satellites are not working.

[em2nought]

I built the same model rockets.

I put a payload of match heads in mine instead of the parachute and once at altitude kaboom. This was way back when we had more rights of course. :D

[Gorpet]

[QUOTE=em2nought;2853229]I put a payload of match heads in mine instead of the parachute and once at altitude kaboom. This was way back when we had more rights of course. :D[/QU


Anyway if your were a Rocket builder back in the past Estes Rockets ,Was what a young man had,if he mowed enough yards he could buy a kit.Elmer's glue some sand paper,and maybe some paint,5 or 6 hrs you had your Rocket. We didn't have fancy launch pads, We used mom's wire coat hanger bent straight with dads pliers.A beer can cut in halve was our heat shield. No fancy electronic launch system. We had a green waterproof fuse you stuck up into the ass end of a solid fuel rocket motor. C-6-7, C-6-5, And if you wanted to chase a parachute C-6-3 .It was the best of times.

[Gorpet]

Just to let you know,Those who die instantly never hear it coming.And all 88 million .Will not hear it.

[Buddahaid]

Good thing Trump is no longer in charge and degrading the US military with his Mussolini imitation.

[August]

Good thing Trump is no longer in charge and degrading the US military with his Mussolini imitation.


Too bad bumblebutt Biden is in charge because he has caused the actual degradation of the US military by his actions. That's far more damaging than some meme.

[Rockstar]

200 million dollar aircraft sent aloft to use its 472 thousand dollar missiles to shoot down “unidentified” targets. UNIDENTIFIED for chrissakes! They don’t even know who it belongs too, what it is or what it was doing. I and everyone I know was trained to identify your target and have a justifiable reason before pulling the trigger.

WASHINGTON – President Joe Biden said Thursday that three unidentified flying objects shot down last weekend over North American airspace were "most likely" balloons tied to private companies or research institutions, not part of China's surveillance spy balloon operation.

WTH? It never occurred to Sleepy Joe to make sure he knew what it was he were shooting at? Buffoon in office. Who can’t control the baffoons in his chain of command.

Asked whether he had ruled out an extraterrestrial origin for three floating objects shot down by warplanes in as many days, Gen. Glen VanHerck, head of US North American Aerospace Defense Command and Northern Command said: “I’ll let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figure that out.”

“I haven’t ruled out anything,” added VanHerck, head of US North American Aerospace Defense Command and Northern Command.

Well ladies and gentleman there ya have it, if we are ever visited by advanced alien life forms from another planet. The plan is to shoot first and ask questions later, kill them all before they land. Oh yes, leadership is sooo much better now. :har:


It’s disappointing that our current commander in chief doesn’t have the wherewithal to stop for a moment, think, and prevent stupid sheet like this from happening. He is the one in charge isn’t he? :roll:

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/74/749adf82adee2c4a256ab8bdd469faf1cd7fa97e1bbebd146b 2d01dc47045730.jpg

[MaDef]

WTH? It never occurred to Sleepy Joe to make sure he knew what it was he were shooting at? Buffoon in office. Who can’t control the baffoons in his chain of command.

He caught so much heat for allowing the Chinese balloon to traverse the U.S. before dealing with it the first time, he ended up jumping the gun on the others.

I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that the people that operate these type of balloons are required to notify the FAA when, where, these balloons are launched, and give regular location updates when they are in the air.


It’s disappointing that our current commander in chief doesn’t have the wherewithal to stop for a moment, think, and prevent stupid sheet like this from happening. He is the one in charge isn’t he? :roll:


Honestly, I think that his "advisors" are the one's making the decisions, and Biden is just told what he should say on the matter in public. The explanations and statements coming from the "Whitehouse Press Secretary" pretty much points in that direction.

[Buddahaid]

Meanwhile, Trump is being supoenaed to testify in a Proud Boys trial while FOX News is shown to have a pile of internal communications between upper management and the likes of Carlson proving they knew the election fraud claims were BS.

[em2nought]

My hotspot is named UNOTRUMP1 :D

[Buddahaid]

My hotspot is named UNOTRUMP1 :D

:Kaleun_Wink:

[Rockstar]

Meanwhile Blue anon vs Qanon battle is the important b.s. headline of the day ‘ooo look, trump got subpoena today tee hee hee. You know the idiotic pointless stuff for the brain dead. Oh ya don’t forget about the ‘balloons are dangerous threat, must destroy’ that seems to be a big important headline too.

But goddamn if something as tightening up rail road safety, cleaning up toxic waste & spills, protecting citizens from poison & cancer, demanding public servants actually serve the public. Nothing heard but crickets.

https://youtu.be/O8Jrk6fvmQ8

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/NaEAMAv2liU

[Buddahaid]

Former President Carter is in Hospice.

[mapuc]

Former President Carter is in Hospice.


Here in the news it has been said that he has left the hospice to end his days with his love ones around him. That he has stopped the treatment he has been given.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Yes, that's correct Marcus. I still needed my coffee this morning.

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/sLShz1FNF6o

[Rockstar]

P.S.R. is an operational strategy that aims to minimize the ratio between railroads’ operating costs and their revenues through various cost-cutting and (ostensibly) efficiency-increasing measures. The basic idea is to transport more freight using fewer workers and railcars.

One way to do this is to make trains longer: A single 100-car train requires less track space than two 50-car ones since you need to maintain some distance between the latter. More critically, one very long train requires fewer crew members to run than two medium ones.

Another way to get more with less is to streamline scheduling so that trains are running at full capacity as often as possible.

All this has worked out poorly for rail workers writ large. Over the past six years, America’s major freight carriers have shed 30 percent of their employees. To compensate for this lost staffing, remaining workers must tolerate irregular schedules and little time off since the railroads don’t have much spare labor capacity left.

Fewer workers equals fewer safety inspections and people with eyes on rail systems. So what happens when workers are stressed out because cuts in manpower, workers strike. And the Biden administration declares it illegal and so it’s business as usual. Until a minimally manned train catches on fire and for over twenty miles nobody was aware of it. Only after it derails and the investigation is started does anyone find out.

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/62XderXjf80

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/3EU1NlSjv9U

[Gorpet]

Good thing Trump is no longer in charge and degrading the US military with his Mussolini imitation.

The one thing you will never know,Buddahaid. But we will see where Joey and the Progressive young think tanks. End up yes they think they know. Because after all their parents are the richest on the planet. I would be interested in your family's background.Here's mine West Virginia coal miners
And if you google you will see what life was for my family. .

[em2nought]

The Governor of Ohio has a new plan to receive help from Biden
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpLs7VyWAAca72W?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Rockstar]

So Buttigieg or Norfolk Southern CEO refuse to visit Palestine citing safety concerns. Can’t imagine why, one day authorities say tap water is safe, the next day recommending everyone drink bottled water.

Meanwhile Biden leaves the country figuring it’s safer in Ukraine.

[Buddahaid]

So Buttigieg or Norfolk Southern CEO refuse to visit Palestine citing safety concerns. Can’t imagine why, one day authorities say tap water is safe, the next day recommending everyone drink bottled water.

Meanwhile Biden leaves the country figuring it’s safer in Ukraine.

Utter BS.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/02/cincinnati-is-again-using-ohio-river-water-after-tests-show-no-sign-of-east-palestine-chemicals.html

[Rockstar]

Utter BS.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/02/cincinnati-is-again-using-ohio-river-water-after-tests-show-no-sign-of-east-palestine-chemicals.html

Palestine, the town where the derailment occurred that spilled hazardous materials and was ignited happened in Palestine Ohio. NOT Cincinnati. The same place where fires created a plume of smoke that likely released other chemicals in and around East Palestine, the town where the accident occurred. Having had some training myself in protecting against NBC warfare that crap will carry and there stands a damn good chance of long term health problems for those downwind of that intentionally set blaze. In the name of expediency.

Just ask those soldiers still alive who passed by or were down wind of a burn pit. Maybe it’s high time public servants serve the public’s interests rather being in the pocket of railroad barons. Instead of bare minimal crews geared towards increasing profits. How about we write our representatives and demand minimum manning requirements to ensure public safety, life and property. Sure it might cut into share holder profits but so fekking what?

[Buddahaid]

Oh, you mean the burn pit vets the MAGA republicans don't want to extend benefits too. Those MAGA republicans that are now calling for secession because they don't get their way in supporting Putin and Russian money they love?

[August]

Oh, you mean the burn pit vets the MAGA republicans don't want to extend benefits too. Those MAGA republicans that are now calling for secession because they don't get their way in supporting Putin and Russian money they love?


What? :roll:

[Buddahaid]

What? :roll:

MTG called for red states to secede even though she works for a blue state. She is so stupid it's way beyond being even remotely funny. I sure feel good about her being on the House National security Committee keeping me safe from Jewish space lasers.

[August]

MTG called for red states to secede even though she works for a blue state. She is so stupid it's way beyond being even remotely funny. I sure feel good about her being on the House National security Committee keeping me safe from Jewish space lasers.


So you have not republicanS but rather one single person who you are probably taking out of context. But what about the other part of your word bomb, that the the Republicans want to refuse burn pit victims from veterans benefits?

[Rockstar]

Oh, you mean the burn pit vets the MAGA republicans don't want to extend benefits too. Those MAGA republicans that are now calling for secession because they don't get their way in supporting Putin and Russian money they love?

No I was responding to your comment “Utter BS’ and your post of a totally unrelated link to an article about Cincinnati. Though I will commend your effort, you did get the state right. 5,000 people live in Palestine, OH and may have come into direct contact with hazardous materials, others downwind may be affected too both short and long term. I suggest writing your representatives to demand standardizing manning requirements of our rail system to promote an increase public safety rather profits and you respond with MAGA and Putin stories?

[Buddahaid]

Defend the MAGA idiots all you want but don't come crying to me when they screw you.

[August]

No I was responding to your comment “Utter BS’ and your post of a totally unrelated link to an article about Cincinnati. Though I will commend your effort, you did get the state right. 5,000 people live in Palestine, OH and may have come into direct contact with hazardous materials, others downwind may be affected too both short and long term. I suggest writing your representatives to demand standardizing manning requirements of our rail system to promote an increase public safety rather profits and you respond with MAGA and Putin stories?


Do you think he's going to give you a straight answer to this?



Defend the MAGA idiots all you want but don't come crying to me when they screw you.


I guess not.

[Buddahaid]

So, tell me, what has the GOP done to improve your life over the Trump years? What have they improved for your personal freedom, your wealth, your retirement benefits, your healthcare?

What platform are they standing for now? I mostly see misdirected hate for improved ratings. I see an attempt to enforce rigid American Christian values over a populous that expects the First Amendment of the U. S. Constitution to shield them from religious persecution.

"First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I see a push to censor history, I see a push to dumb down the population to further separate the ruling class from the worker bees....

[Rockstar]

Defend the MAGA idiots all you want but don't come crying to me when they screw you.

There are several thousand people in a small town in Ohio and others downwind of the disaster that getting screwed right now.

[August]

So, tell me, what has the Democrat Administration done to improve your life over the Biden years? What have they improved for your personal freedom, your wealth, your retirement benefits, your healthcare?

What platform are they standing for now? I mostly see misdirected hate for improved ratings. I see an attempt to enforce rigid anti-religious values over a populous that expects the First Amendment of the U. S. Constitution to shield them from religious persecution.

"First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I see a push to censor history, I see a push to dumb down the population to further separate the ruling class from the worker bees....


Fixed it for you to make it accurate and realistic.

[Buddahaid]

There are several thousand people in a small town in Ohio and others downwind of the disaster that getting screwed right now.

And, apparently, the Governor of Ohio was slow to request Federal aid and now you try to blame Biden for DeWine's slow response?

[Rockstar]

Did you read or watch anything I posted? It has been at least three administrations now that have done absolutely nothing to improve rail road, public safety. So ya since Biden is currently the president and has continued the same course as the previous two and in fact may have even contributed to the accident by shutting down union demands for improved working conditions. You damn right I will blame him too.


To borrow your phrase. Defend the Democrat idiots all you want but don't come crying to me when they screw you. Oh wait a small town in Ohio already got screwed.

[August]

And, apparently, the Governor of Ohio was slow to request Federal aid and now you try to blame Biden for DeWine's slow response?


Really? He apparently requested it as early as the 16th but has been rejected according to this news report:


COLUMBUS, Ohio. (WTAP) - Ohio Governor Mike DeWine has requested federal help due to the train derailment in East Palestine.Gov. DeWine spoke with officials at the White House Thursday morning and requested assistance from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Health and Emergency Response Team, and the CDC to provide on the ground assistance.
The DeWine Administration has been in daily contact with FEMA to discuss the need for federal support, however FEMA continues to tell Gov. DeWine that Ohio is not eligible for assistance at this time.
Gov. DeWine will keep working with FEMA to determine what assistance can be provided.


https://www.wtap.com/2023/02/16/ohio-governor-dewine-requests-federal-help-train-derailment-east-palestine/

[MaDef]

And, apparently, the Governor of Ohio was slow to request Federal aid and now you try to blame Biden for DeWine's slow response?
That a pretty disingenuous statement if I ever heard one. the DOT has oversight of the Nations railroads, the Feds should have been "Johnny on the spot" when this incident happened. there should have been no need to "request" anything from the Feds.

[Buddahaid]

So due process needs to be applied for the wheels to move.

"Federal Funding Resources
Federal Funding Resources for Transportation Recovery - Overview

Before your company applies for Federal funding to repair and restore the local transportation infrastructure and facilities after a disaster, you need to understand that the majority of Federal funding for such projects can only be used to restore the network to pre-disaster conditions. You may, however, apply for and use other funds to supplement Federal resources to improve impacted transportation systems and mitigate damage from future disasters.

The Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, also known as the Stafford Act, is one of the most encompassing Federal funding mechanisms to provide financial assistance to local, tribal, and State governments after a Presidential declaration has been made. As noted in the rest of Appendix B, the Stafford Act is not the only funding mechanism available to local, tribal, and State governments. Stafford Act assistance is provided by FEMA, which coordinates the funding in the form of the Individual Assistance (IA) and Public Assistance (PA) programs.....

[Rockstar]

The spinning wheels of due process. I suppose that means it will take another thirty years of congressional elections and five or six more executive administrations to respond like it did for the burn pit victims. By then most if not all of those affected will be dead and the incident long forgotten as the process is quietly round filed.

Anyway, I just sent an email to my representative expressing my concerns about railroad and hazardous materials safety. Sure less government is better but I think there are times when it’s needed. Especially to reign in those people who continue to try to get away with murder for the sake of profit. Maybe the feds should require and standardize minimum manning, safety requirements and modern tech that promote safe handling of hazardous materials on our nations railroads.

Or we can just continue to argue over political derp with each other here.

[em2nought]

The democrat response to East Palestine, Ohio should tell you everything you need to know about "cheating the vote". They don't even care what the voters think of them, they'll have "magic" votes when the time comes. :har:

[Buddahaid]

The democrat response to East Palestine, Ohio should tell you everything you need to know about "cheating the vote". They don't even care what the voters think of them, they'll have "magic" votes when the time comes. :har:

That make's absolutely no sense.

[Rockstar]

NTSB: No alert for train crew until just before derailment

By JOHN SEEWER, MICHAEL RUBINKAM and GEOFF MULVIHILL
2 hours ago

https://apnews.com/article/politics-pete-buttigieg-evacuations-ohio-explosions-64908a6416662b5866809387f210aee5

EAST PALESTINE, Ohio (AP) — The crew operating a freight train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, did not receive a critical warning about an overheated axle until just before dozens of cars went off the tracks, federal safety investigators said in a report Thursday as U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg made his first visit to the crash site.

An engineer slowed and stopped the train after getting a “critical audible alarm message,” according to a preliminary report by the National Transportation Safety Board. The crew then saw fire and smoke and alerted dispatch of a possible derailment, the report said.

The axle investigators are focused on had been heating up as the train went down the tracks, but did not reach the threshold for stopping the train and inspecting it until just before the derailment, the report said. The train was going about 47 mph (75 kph) at the time, just under the speed limit of 50 mph (80 kph), according to safety investigators.

Ohio Republican Lt. Gov. Jon Husted told CNN ahead of the report’s release that its findings had the potential to form the basis of a criminal referral from the state. He also said railroad company Norfolk Southern should temporarily relocate people who continue to feel unsafe, or even consider buying their property.

“This is the railroad’s responsibility, and it’s up to the government officials at the federal, state and local levels to hold them accountable and do right by the citizens of East Palestine,” Husted said.

Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro’s administration has already made a criminal referral of Norfolk Southern to the state attorney general’s office.

NTSB released its preliminary findings as Buttigieg went on a tour of the crash site Thursday after getting criticized for not coming sooner, and amid mounting criticism of the overall federal response to the Feb. 3 derailment.

Speaking to reporters afterward, Buttigieg said he was “trying to strike the right balance” between showing support on the ground and allowing the safety board to take the lead in the early going.

He praised “the resilience, the resolve and the decency” of the community amid the impact of the disaster itself and the crush of media and political attention.

The Biden White House has defended its response to the train derailment, saying officials from the Environmental Protection Agency, the transportation safety board and other agencies were at the rural site within hours of the derailment. The White House says it has also offered federal assistance and FEMA has been coordinating with the state emergency operations center and other partners.

Another Biden administration official, EPA Administrator Michael Regan, has been to East Palestine multiple times, most recently Tuesday as the EPA ordered Norfolk Southern to pay for the cleanup.

Among those criticizing Buttigieg was former President Donald Trump, who came to Ohio on Wednesday. The Department of Transportation said Buttigieg is visiting now that the EPA has declared the emergency phase of the crash to be over and the start of long-term cleanup efforts is underway.

Asked Thursday about the Trump visit, Buttigieg said that if the former president felt strongly about increased rail safety efforts, “one thing he could do is express support for reversing the deregulation that happened on his watch.”

He slammed Norfolk Southern and other freight rail companies for fighting regulations he said would “hold them accountable and the other railroad companies accountable for their safety record. What we’ve seen is the industry goes to Washington and gets their way.” He pressed Congress to act.

Heather Bable, who lives two blocks from the derailment site, said she’s relieved the government’s top brass is finally showing up.

“We need that attention because we weren’t getting it. They should have been here all along,” said Bable, who was among the throngs of residents lining the streets in pouring rain to welcome Trump on Wednesday.

The reception for Buttigieg was decidedly more muted, with little fanfare around the village of just under 5,000 residents. Trump won nearly 72% of the vote in this heavily Republican region in the 2020 election.

Buttigieg’s visit came nearly three weeks after more than three dozen freight cars — including 11 carrying hazardous materials — derailed on the East Palestine outskirts, near the Pennsylvania state line, prompting an evacuation as fears grew about a potential explosion of smoldering wreckage.

Officials seeking to avoid an uncontrolled blast intentionally released and burned toxic vinyl chloride from five rail cars, sending flames and black smoke high into the sky. That left people questioning the potential health effects even as authorities maintained they were doing their best to protect people.

As remediation of the site continued, Norfolk Southern announced late Wednesday it had agreed to excavate the soil under two tracks. Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine had called out the railroad company’s failure to address the contaminated soil underneath its tracks before repairing them and running freight again.

“Our original plan would have effectively and safely remediated the soil under our tracks. As I listened to community members over the past two weeks, they shared with me their concerns about that approach. I appreciate the direct feedback, and I am addressing it,” Norfolk Southern President and CEO Alan H. Shaw said in a written statement.

Democratic U.S. Rep. Chris Deluzio, whose Pennsylvania district borders the East Palestine disaster site, asked Norfolk Southern to expand the boundaries of the geographic zone in which it is providing financial assistance and testing. He asserted the current zone excludes many affected Pennsylvania residents and businesses, and said the company should commit to cleaning up soil and water up to 30 miles (48 kilometers) beyond it.

“Norfolk Southern is failing to show any commitment to rebuilding lost trust in our community,” Deluzio wrote in a letter to Shaw. Providing additional resources “would help your company restore the sense of security that the Norfolk Southern train derailment and its aftermath destroyed.”

The president of the Ohio Senate, meanwhile, announced a public hearing on the derailment next week to hear testimony from state officials.

___

Rubinkam reported from northeastern Pennsylvania and Mulvihill reported from Cherry Hill, New Jersey. Associated Press writer Julie Carr Smyth in Columbus, Ohio, contributed to this report.

[Gorpet]

And, apparently, the Governor of Ohio was slow to request Federal aid and now you try to blame Biden for DeWine's slow response?

Did it ever occur to you.That, Oh let's look at a satellite view of the town, before. If i was in charge of a derailment i could not have picked a better one. Oh baby, Look at a satellite map.It was perfect.And what the hell did the Governor do? nothing. Why is that ? And anyway who gives a fucf about this town. it was picked. for this to happen it was perfect

[Buddahaid]

Did it ever occur to you.That, Oh let's look at a satellite view of the town, before. If i was in charge of a derailment i could not have picked a better one. Oh baby, Look at a satellite map.It was perfect.And what the hell did the Governor do? nothing. Why is that ? And anyway who gives a fucf about this town. it was picked. for this to happen it was perfect

Better yet, it was caused by those pesky Jewish space lasers.

[VipertheSniper]

Better yet, it was caused by those pesky Jewish space lasers.

Couldn't be an accident that probably was avoidable, naaaah, it must be an f'in conspiracy.

The lobbying of rail companies on both sides of the aisle to avoid more security measures has absolutely nothing to with this accident /sarcasm. If Trump had really drained the swamp, as he boasted he would, maybe there'd have been no derailment, who knows.