US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Buddahaid]

I think you are reaching. If Ron is a human trafficker what do you call Joe? A few bus loads vs millions entering illegally.

A few people who were lured from Texas to Florida with false promises and then flown to Martha's Vinard and dumped. Not the same thing but let's see how the lawsuit pans out and how the human trafficking investigation plays out. He may have screwed himself with the 14th amendment for a stunt.
https://www.justice.gov/humantrafficking#:~:text=Human%20Trafficking%20Def ined&text=(22%20U.S.C.,(22%20U.S.C.

[Rockstar]

Ron the human trafficker?

Every state does it but first and foremost is the federal government which incidentally is currently operating under the Biden admin. Immigrants that have been processed and awaiting a hearing or passed the first hurdle in their asylum request are then dispersed to other cities throughout the United States to lighten the load on others.

If I remember correctly no state can refuse the dispersion of those immigrants either. Arizona tried but lost in court when the Obama Admin sued them.

The ones primarily in the news are Republican governors of border states that don’t have a fence line or wall. It becomes a major problem for those states and when they try to alleviate the problem. The loudest complainers come from those who live in states with completed and maintained walls on their borders.

I figure a good solution would be to finish the border wall. I mean what’s worse?Leave it unfinished as an incentive for others to risk their and their families life and limb to illegally cross the border? Or just give the ones fortunate enough to survive the trek a free plane ride to a wealthy affluent neighborhood?

Any suggestions?

[Buddahaid]

The difference is being lured by false promises.

[Rockstar]

Are you comparing the difference of a layover in Martha’s Vineyard before their final destination of Boston in an air conditioned paid for flight from Texas more horrific than the risks they took getting here because a gaping hole in our southern border?

[Buddahaid]

Take it for what you will.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/19/desantis-immigrants-marthas-vineyard-00057639

[em2nought]

Take it for what you will.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/19/desantis-immigrants-marthas-vineyard-00057639
Ach so, the democrats always walking around with a lawyer strapped to their leg. The average American probably thinks it was way cooler in the Old West where hombres had Colts and Remingtons strapped to their legs instead. :D

[Rockstar]

Take it for what you will.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/19/desantis-immigrants-marthas-vineyard-00057639

More than 1,200 deaths of migrants in the Western Hemisphere in 2021, it tracked 728 migrant deaths along the U.S.-Mexico border, calling it the "the deadliest land crossing in the world." “Since 2021, the number of migrants crossing the U.S. Southern border has sharply increased. The U.S. Border Patrol is on its way to a record 2 million apprehensions in a fiscal year.”

And what’s the priority? Lets start another investigation about an authorized paid flight which left from Florida to Martha’s’ Vinyard of course!

Bully on DeSantis, if there is to be another dog and pony show investigation so be it. Btw, the sheriff from Texas doesn’t have any jurisdiction in Florida. You still didn’t answer my question.

[u crank]

A few people who were lured from Texas to Florida with false promises and then flown to Martha's Vineyard and dumped.

Let's be honest here. Busing migrants to DC, Chicago and Martha's Vineyard was not intended to alleviate the problem in Texas and Florida. It was a political stunt and it worked. It exposed the hypocrisy of the blue state sanctuary cities. They talk a good line but that's it. And they fell for it big time. D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser wanted the National Guard called for a few bus loads of migrants.

[August]

Take it for what you will.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/19/desantis-immigrants-marthas-vineyard-00057639


Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar, an elected Democrat, said that while he could not cite specific laws that may have been broken by relocating the migrants, his office will be investigating what he called an “abuse of human rights.”
A Democrat can't find any laws were broken but he is gonna go fishing anyways to see what he might be able to stir up. Yeah we got it. :roll:

[les green01]

The difference is being lured by false promises.

Democrats tells them to come on up so we got records numbers we got them throwing 2 year old over the fence they threw a 6 month old baby in the rio grande what would have happen to that baby if it wasnt a unit of rangers nearby remember the so call whipping that dems threw a fit about that long rope is to keep the horse from trampling over someone here a idea instead of using buses planes to take them to dems we load them up with dems and send them south

[Rockstar]

Democrats tells them to come on up so we got records numbers we got them throwing 2 year old over the fence they threw a 6 month old baby in the rio grande what would have happen to that baby if it wasnt a unit of rangers nearby remember the so call whipping that dems threw a fit about that long rope is to keep the horse from trampling over someone here a idea instead of using buses planes to take them to dems we load them up with dems and send them south

Normally we can’t arbitrarily ship them back. There needs to be a repatriation agreement between the U.S. and the immigrants home country. It’s harder or near impossible to do sometimes when immigrants have committed crimes here because then some countries don’t want them back. I know we have agreements I just don’t know the particulars.

For some it’s ok for people enticed by gaping holes in our southern borders to die during the journey or when attempting to cross our southern border, that’s not their problem. Just don’t ship them to their affluent neighborhoods because that’s when immigrants welfare suddenly matters too them. That’s when they get their hackles up, start thumping their chests and become concerned enough to form committees and start investigations.

[August]

Normally we can’t arbitrarily ship them back. There needs to be a repatriation agreement between the U.S. and the immigrants home country. It’s harder or near impossible to do sometimes when immigrants have committed crimes here because then some countries don’t want them back. I know we have agreements I just don’t know the particulars.

For some it’s ok for people enticed by gaping holes in our southern borders to die during the journey or when attempting to cross our southern border, that’s not their problem. Just don’t ship them to their affluent neighborhoods because that’s when immigrants welfare suddenly matters too them. That’s when they get their hackles up, start thumping their chests and become concerned enough to form committees and start investigations.


Yeah especially if it gives them an excuse to investigate future political opponents and perhaps knock them out of the race. They continue to do it with Trump and now Desantis as well.

[Buddahaid]

The Supreme Court DENIED Lindsey Graham’s Application for an Emergency Stay to block the subpoena requiring him to testify before the Fulton County Special Grand Jury investigating criminal election interference in the 2020 election. Lindsey Graham will be required to testify before the Special Grand Jury.

[Rockstar]

What’s your point? You live in California, I live in Florida. Lindsay Graham represents the State of South Carolina and frankly I could care less what happens in South Carolina politics. Fulton County, Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis is an Democrat. What did you expect? Let me rephrase that, what do you expect to happen?

I don’t know about you but I’m beginning to see a pattern here. IMO the above is a political boondoggle and will turn out to be just another nothing burger like the rest. Sad, we have inflation, record number of deaths on our border, dwindling oil reserves, small businesses can’t pay rent, expected increase in gas, war in Ukraine, threat of nuclear war, possibility of small businesses closing, job loss, deflation, but nothing burgers are the only platform they run on.
https://i.ibb.co/3MPKK2x/E04-DBDCE-FB4-F-4-CD0-8-C6-E-A5733-C89919-B.jpg


Anyway, let’s get back to the previous topic here. Namely the record number of border crossings and the deaths of people attempting to cross our open southern borders. The preservation of life is kind of a non-partisan issue don’t you think? Obviously others think walls work and can dramatically slow and even stop the flow of illegal immigrants. Hell, walls make your house and do a fantastic job keeping the neigborhood kids from riding bicycles through your living room. Israel built a wall and it reduced the flow of terrorists. Finland is strengthening their border wall, Your state has a border wall even Poland is building one. How about we finish ours. So we can better regulate the flow of humans surging across our borders. This is the land of opportunity but we also have the right and obligation to determine who gets to enter.

I guess another topic to prepare for is the inevitable increase in gas prices when they eventually have no choice but to stop tapping into our national oil reserves.

[Armistead]

What’s your point? You live in California, I live in Florida. Lindsay Graham represents the State of South Carolina and frankly I could care less what happens in South Carolina politics. Fulton County, Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis is an Democrat. What did you expect? Let me rephrase that, what do you expect to happen?

I don’t know about you but I’m beginning to see a pattern here. IMO the above is a political boondoggle and will turn out to be just another nothing burger like the rest. Sad, we have inflation, record number of deaths on our border, dwindling oil reserves, small businesses can’t pay rent, expected increase in gas, war in Ukraine, threat of nuclear war, possibility of small businesses closing, job loss, deflation, but nothing burgers are the only platform they run on.
https://i.ibb.co/3MPKK2x/E04-DBDCE-FB4-F-4-CD0-8-C6-E-A5733-C89919-B.jpg


Anyway, let’s get back to the previous topic here. Namely the record number of border crossings and the deaths of people attempting to cross our open southern borders. The preservation of life is kind of a non-partisan issue don’t you think? Obviously others think walls work and can dramatically slow and even stop the flow of illegal immigrants. Hell, walls make your house and do a fantastic job keeping the neigborhood kids from riding bicycles through your living room. Israel built a wall and it reduced the flow of terrorists. Finland is strengthening their border wall, Your state has a border wall even Poland is building one. How about we finish ours. So we can better regulate the flow of humans surging across our borders. This is the land of opportunity but we also have the right and obligation to determine who gets to enter.

I guess another topic to prepare for is the inevitable increase in gas prices when they eventually have no choice but to stop tapping into our national oil reserves.

Walls work to a degree, but only if manpower or technology is used. Studies do show they stop the majority of regular folks, but not determine smugglers or dope dealers. It's amazing with Biden in office and now record high drug overdoses of over 100,000 a year, mostly Fentanyl, you'd think we see this as a war and put the military on the border and shut it down. We certainly need to go back to Trump era policies that worked. Hard to grasp but when Biden leaves office over 400,000 Americans dead from overdose. That basically equals the total number of US military dead in WW2.

[Rockstar]

Unfortunately it seems the mind set of the blue anon believers revolves only around conspiracy theories, petty drama, and other trivial b.s. rather than show any concern about anyone else or their country. Remember when Texas was searching vehicles at the border and all the crap blue anon spewed about the hold up on the economy or how Texas just needs to get out of the way and let the feds handle it?

In May 2021 there was a report from Texas DPS has seen seizures of fentanyl imports across the Texas borders increase by 800%. So much the for the brainwashed blue anon idiots telling Texas to get out of the way and let the Feds (a.k.a Biden) do their job.

A report this year from a bipartisan federal commission found that fentanyl and similar drugs are being made mostly in labs in Mexico from chemicals shipped primarily from China.

https://wisconsinwatch.org/2022/10/as-fentanyl-drives-overdose-deaths-mistaken-beliefs-persist/

[les green01]

the open border now reminds me of the old movie red dawn in that movie it started with a open border anyway you put way it as i see it we are getting invaded

[Rockstar]

Dear Diary:

After days of continuous threats of leaving the country if a border wall in Texas and Arizona is built, I'm starting to believe that nobody takes me seriously. I must take drastic measures; perhaps I'll glue my hand to a Space X rocket just before it launches.

Sincerely, Blue Anon

Post script: Resist!

[Ostfriese]

Isn't the US-American opioid crisis (of which the fentanyl problem is a part) something that has been going on for decades?

IIRC this was caused by companies "encouraging" doctors to prescribe more and more opioids, even at a time when OD deaths were already mounting.

[Rockstar]

Yes there’s that too.

[Dowly]

Unfortunately it seems the mind set of the blue anon believers revolves only around conspiracy theories, petty drama, and other trivial b.s. rather than show any concern about anyone else or their country.
https://i.imgur.com/YfyjKPe.jpg

[Rockstar]

I thought i asked reasonable questions of reasonable concerns and not one response from blue anon drama queen conspiracy theorists. Switch gears and troll them and watch they come out of the wood work with the memes and nothing burgers. Lol


You did not disappoint.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Dear Diary:

After days of continuous threats of leaving the country if a border wall in Texas and Arizona is built, I'm starting to believe that nobody takes me seriously. I must take drastic measures; perhaps I'll glue my hand to a Space X rocket just before it launches.

Sincerely, Blue Anon

Post script: Resist!

Textbook strawman

[Rockstar]

Keep’em comin’. Lol

[Dowly]

I thought i asked
You didn't. You made statements.

reasonableImmediately followed by:

blue anon drama queen conspiracy theorists.
You did not disappoint.It's great, you should try it too some time.

[Rockstar]

One things for sure y’all are consistent. So ya got that going for ya.

[August]

Still playing with the Trolls Rockstar? Watch out they'll give you warts... :yep:

[mapuc]

WOW talking about generalization

Can we get a fact check on this?

as a response to this statement made by Hillary Clinton

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1588233352988999681

Markus

[MaDef]

If you're using tweets from twitter twits to validate your opinion, then you're not thinking for yourself.

[August]

As somebody points out in the comments some of those cities are in states that currently have a Repub governor but the cities themselves are run by Democrats, in some cases for decades.


Edit:


Here's an article on it: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-study-debunks-red-state-high-crime-claim-by-hillary-clinton-democrats?dicbo=v2-c8ca9e3fc0fc1019d51bdb8701732606


Authors of the study, Charles Stimson, Zack Smith and Kevin D. Dayaratna, concluded, "Whether a state as a whole voted for Donald Trump (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/donald-trump) or Joe Biden has nothing whatever to do with the homicide rates within its constituent parts."
"The high murder rate is almost exclusively cabined in cities run by Democrats and with Democrat district attorneys, many of whom are Soros bought-and-paid-for rogue prosecutors or inspired by Soros, groups like the egregiously misnamed Fair and Just Prosecution and other battering rams of the movement," they wrote.

[August]

New details on the Pelosi attack.


Some details:

Apparently when the cops showed up it was Pelosi who answered the door.
The cops did not know they were at the Speakers house.

Pelosi greeted the officers but did not declare any kind of emergency or try to leave.
He then walked away from the officers who followed him, over to the suspect.
The suspect then grabbed Pelosis arm and whacked him in the head with the hammer knocking him unconscious.

Cops then gang tackled the suspect.

Pelosi was out for three minutes then woke up in a "pool of blood".


I don't buy into the theories I have heard so far but this sure does raise some questions.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTS1bPKiTZM

[Buddahaid]

Seems that every one of the legal actions by Trump and those around him are complete failures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPa5ehOR2XM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABQn0yJ-Vhw&t=629s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vLTYjtdhFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E7BmUQrkVM&t=166s

[August]

Seems that every one of the legal actions by Trump and those around him are complete failures.


As has had every one of the many Democrat attempts to take him down so far. Maybe you folks will finally get him this time. Actually it'd be nice if you do since I think Desantis would have a better chance of winning.

Meanwhile get ready for some payback. Come January it's likely that there will be some new Congressional investigations starting that won't have anything to do with Trump. I can see one of not more of the Cabinet getting impeached, Mayorkas for sure, and maybe even the Big Guy himself. :)

[Rockstar]

https://i.ibb.co/hcL3Q5q/FC4-CA013-9-A84-4-E27-8-AAC-D1253-AF4-BD62.jpg. :D

[Rockstar]

https://i.ibb.co/Vp5rfXX/09706-B17-B93-C-4688-A54-C-13-CE4-A9-D025-F.jpg

[August]

Guy nails it.




The hysterical stage of the campaign

by Byron York, Chief Political Correspondent (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/author/byron-york) |

November 04, 2022 02:45 PM

THE HYSTERICAL STAGE OF THE CAMPAIGN. Even with campaigns that are less hard-fought than this one, the final days before an election can be a time when both sides, but most often candidates who are trailing in the polls, make extreme statements about their opponents. Losers see defeat coming and make desperate attempts to avert it. That is what is happening now: The 2022 midterm elections have entered the hysterical stage.

Everyone knows that voters are most concerned about the economy. Foremost among economic issues is inflation — it is hurting people every time they go to the grocery store, fill up their cars, or do any of a thousand other things. But there are also fears of a recession, rising mortgage interest rates that make it difficult to buy a home, and shrinking life savings in stock market investments. There is simply no question that the economy dominates the campaign.

Yes, there are other issues — crime and the border (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/border?utm_campaign=autolink&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=autolink) for Republicans, abortion and climate change for Democrats. But the economy prevails. And even with other issues, the net benefit leans toward the GOP.

And on top of that is the unpopularity of President Joe Biden. The president's job approval rating (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html) stands at 42.3% in the RealClearPolitics average of polls. It has bounced around between 36% and 44% for a year. The last time it was above 50% was Aug. 14, 2021, when it was 50.1%. Presidents with 42% job approval ratings lose seats in midterm elections. That's all there is to it.

So things look bad for Democrats. And that is why, with about 100 hours to go before Election Day, Democrats are becoming hysterical.

Leading the pack is the president himself. On Wednesday night, he delivered a hastily scheduled speech (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/us/politics/transcript-biden-speech-democracy.html) at Washington's Union Station. The purpose was to try to squeeze some political benefit from a deranged man's attack on Paul Pelosi, husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/nancy-pelosi?utm_campaign=autolink&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=autolink) (D-CA). The theme was what Biden maintains is the impending loss of American democracy, should Republicans win on Tuesday. "Democracy itself" is "at stake," Biden said. "In our bones, we know that democracy is at risk."

"What we're doing now is going to determine whether democracy will long endure," Biden said, echoing the Gettysburg Address, "whether [the American] system will prevail."

Biden led a team of national Democratic Party leaders in warning of a possible end of democracy. Former President Barack Obama (https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1588242080911933440) campaigned in Arizona and said Republican candidates there might well put an end to the American system of government. "Democracy as we know it may not survive in Arizona," Obama said. "That's not an exaggeration. That is a fact."

"They're going after our democracy," added Hillary Clinton (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/03/hillary-clinton-reiterates-bidens-threats-to-democracy-message-ahead-of-midterms-00064830).

And then there was the well-known presidential historian Michael Beschloss, who appears frequently on television. Appearing on MSNBC Wednesday night to comment on Biden's speech, Beschloss (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/michael-beschloss-says-gop-victory-in-midterms-will-mean-our-children-will-be-arrested-and-conceivably-killed/) was very, very worried.

"Six nights from now, we could all be discussing violence all over this country," Beschloss began. "There are signs that may happen, may God forbid." He continued: "We could be six days away from losing our rule of law and losing a situation where we have elections that we all kind of rely on. You know, those are the foundation stones of a democracy."

The stakes simply could not be higher, Beschloss claimed. Given what is at stake, he said, Biden could not have gone on the air and talked about something as relatively insignificant as the economy. Beschloss noted that in 1940, Franklin Delano Roosevelt said that "never before since Jamestown and Plymouth Rock has America been in such danger." And now, "Joe Biden is saying the same thing tonight." Looking into the future, Beschloss said that a historian like himself, writing 50 years from now, "if historians are allowed to write in this country ... will say what was at stake tonight and this week was the fact — whether we will be a democracy in the future, whether our children will be arrested and conceivably killed. We are on the edge of a brutal authoritarian system, and it could be a week away."

Welcome to the hysterical stage of the 2022 campaign. Look for more, not less, of this kind of rhetoric in the next few days.

[Rockstar]

New details on the Pelosi attack.


Some details:

Apparently when the cops showed up it was Pelosi who answered the door.
The cops did not know they were at the Speakers house.

Pelosi greeted the officers but did not declare any kind of emergency or try to leave.
He then walked away from the officers who followed him, over to the suspect.
The suspect then grabbed Pelosis arm and whacked him in the head with the hammer knocking him unconscious.

Cops then gang tackled the suspect.

Pelosi was out for three minutes then woke up in a "pool of blood".


I don't buy into the theories I have heard so far but this sure does raise some questions.


Ya, like where’s the body-cam and security footage? Wait a tic, didn’t Democrat’s immediately connect the dots and tie this assault to Trump and MAGA? Where the hell is the Democrat special Congressional committee to fully investigate the incident. Collect all possible security footage and subpoena all witnesses. - Never again!

https://i.ibb.co/17YC1Rd/CFD77-F3-E-40-BE-4-C9-C-80-F0-23-A7-DDE01-FA1.jpg

[Rockstar]

Oh look San Francisco DA will not release any of the body cam security footage. Democrat corruption at all levels.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/san-francisco-da-wont-release-police-bodycam-footage-911-calls-paul-pelosi-attack-video/

[Rockstar]

https://i.ibb.co/mcc67zx/3-F77-DC6-E-5415-4-FAC-B901-F7976-D3898-DE.jpg

[August]

Oh look San Francisco DA will not release any of the body cam security footage. Democrat corruption at all levels.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/san-francisco-da-wont-release-police-bodycam-footage-911-calls-paul-pelosi-attack-video/




"Not at this time" anyways. I expect the FOA requests will soon start flooding in.

[em2nought]

Brilliant idea being considered to vastly increase tourism in D.C. https://omny.fm/shows/rich-zeoli/washington-d-c-pushes-to-legalize-public-urination I mean what red, white, and blue flag waiving citizen from across the land wouldn't want to go take a piss on Washington D.C. without repercussions. :D I'd even want the t-shirt. :har:

[mapuc]

Read something interesting in a Danish newspaper, something which will give some of my friends here, on fb on twitter and in real life a heart attack

It is very, very likely Trump will make an attempt to be the next President.

It's up to you my American friends to decide who shall be your next President.

Markus

[Rockstar]

https://i.ibb.co/FYJGnPg/F47-F5-D57-FF85-45-D9-B786-E02-A20825-BEE.jpg

[Rockstar]

"Not at this time" anyways. I expect the FOA requests will soon start flooding in.

I don’t know if anyone will be seeking info through the FOIA. Rather than investigating, some in the democrat, liberal far left mainstream media are already deleting their own reports. Those that are still left up make it sound as if they’ve already solved the case.
https://i.ibb.co/qd7vdtY/1-C93-AF8-E-FF58-404-D-8559-0-AEE5173080-E.jpg



NBC DELETES Report on Pelosi Attack From Website Over ‘Reporting Standards’ — WATCH Segment Here

https://www.mediaite.com/news/nbc-deletes-report-on-pelosi-attack-from-website-over-reporting-standards-watch-segment-here/

https://i.ibb.co/wSn30QK/E47-F5-B9-C-C79-F-4041-B3-B0-7-B07-D3141909.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/3c07hPM/0-FFE6-EDA-5-C45-4-EB4-9-EB5-DB1-F88-D0-FA35.jpg

[MaDef]

Ice has lodged an immigration detainer on David DePape, I wonder how that will play out seeing how San Francisco is considered a "Sanctuary City".

[Otto Harkaman]

Read something interesting in a Danish newspaper, something which will give some of my friends here, on fb on twitter and in real life a heart attack

It is very, very likely Trump will make an attempt to be the next President.

It's up to you my American friends to decide who shall be your next President.

Markus

Don't commit suicide yet Markus you have two years before you need to jump off the roof, remember four stories is a good estimate for desired effect.

[mapuc]

Don't commit suicide yet Markus you have two years before you need to jump off the roof, remember four stories is a good estimate for desired effect.

I couldn't care less who are going to be your next President-Which I mean I have clearly stated many times by now-It's my friends who can't stand his guts-They will get a heart attack.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Ice has lodged an immigration detainer on David DePape, I wonder how that will play out seeing how San Francisco is considered a "Sanctuary City".


As I said earlier democrats either don’t care or are indifferent to the welfare of illegal aliens. Until that is when one or more of those immigrants steps foot in one of their rich neighborhoods. Now the crusading hypocrites of California find themselves in the embarrassing position of having to reveal their true nature.

It’s their own ordinance, “It is hereby affirmed that the City and County of San Francisco is a City and County of Refuge” for illegal aliens, no cooperation will be given to ICE when it attempts to take custody of a deportable criminal alien held by the city or county. Unless of course they wander into some wealthy democrats house or neighborhood. Then it’s no trial, no rights, no defense, just conveniently kept isolated, until they gets deported baby!

[les green01]

just when i figure a democrat couldn't get any dumber,they do this The U.S. government gave $1.1 billion in U.S. tax dollars to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan in humanitarian aid since the U.S. withdrawal in August 2021 — and a top federal watchdog says several U.S. agencies are refusing to explain how the money was spent.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ig-biden-s-1b-boondoggle-to-the-taliban-controlled-afghanistan-unaccounted-for/ar-AA13KZfl?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=30c44fdfa8744305a1e2674c88280995

[Buddahaid]

https://i.ibb.co/hcL3Q5q/FC4-CA013-9-A84-4-E27-8-AAC-D1253-AF4-BD62.jpg. :D

At my age that works for me....

[em2nought]

At my age that works for me....

Better than getting hammered? :D

[Gorpet]

just when i figure a democrat couldn't get any dumber,they do this The U.S. government gave $1.1 billion in U.S. tax dollars to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan in humanitarian aid since the U.S. withdrawal in August 2021 — and a top federal watchdog says several U.S. agencies are refusing to explain how the money was spent.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ig-biden-s-1b-boondoggle-to-the-taliban-controlled-afghanistan-unaccounted-for/ar-AA13KZfl?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=30c44fdfa8744305a1e2674c88280995

Well, Les When you can print money at will, And make sure it comes back to you... And if you can control it .Oh and if there is a problem it will be guns up.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

https://i.ibb.co/FYJGnPg/F47-F5-D57-FF85-45-D9-B786-E02-A20825-BEE.jpg

We should give the wealthy another tax cut!! That'll help people struggling to make ends meet!!

[Rockstar]

We should give the wealthy another tax cut!! That'll help people struggling to make ends meet!!

Tax the rich, thats fine, but why? Because it’s a snappy slogan? We’re supposed to be the ones who have a say how our taxes are spent. Will it solve the problem people are struggling to make ends meet or just give government the excuse to keep spending more and more and more. How about we demand our representative stop deficit spending it only adds to the supply of currency which spurs inflation and keeps taxpayers out of the loop. How about we get out of debt, and lower taxes.

Our predicament didn’t just happen overnight or last election it’s been building up for decades perpetuated by both parties

https://i.ibb.co/g3Q4PJC/B7-D61-E33-67-AA-4-DA9-81-A0-02-BA4-A6-C24-B4.jpg

[Skybird]

American democracy dies hard, but it dies, I fear. I said that already during the war 2003.



https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2022-11/trump-usa-radikalisierung-demokratie?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Ftranslate.go ogle.de%2F


The text gets translated more or less well by Google, the three videos however are in German.

[Rockstar]

And just to clarify what I mean when deficit spending keeps the taxpayer out of the loop and prevents us from having a say where OUR money goes.

Deficit Spending: The spending of public funds obtained by borrowing rather than by taxation.

At this point taxes are doing nothing other than just paying the interest on the money the FED keeps printing and loans to the Congress. And with interest rates going up that’s going to become harder and harder to do. So the call goes out to increase taxes even more. Let’s tax the rich! That gets votes! Meanwhile our economy is quickly turning into a dumpster fire thanks to decades of team politics and stupid campaign slogans.

[Dowly]

Just gotta weather it out, the trickle down effect will kick in aaaany day now.

[Moonlight]

Just gotta weather it out, the trickle down effect will kick in aaaany day now.

The midterm elections on November 8th? will be a kick in the ballot box for any politician who mentions the "Trickle Down Effect", I think the person who came up with that slogan is still pissing himself silly with laughter.

Midterm Elections
The Republicans are attempting to retake control of the House of Representatives and Senate to block Joe Biden's agenda, while most midterm elections can be a loss for the government, this one has the economy, inflation, immigration, rising crime and that Roe v Wade thing attached to it as well. Perhaps there are too many issues for the Republicans to focus on for them to take control of The Senate and the House this time but I wouldn't like to bet on the outcome of it.

Squeaky Bum time for the Democrats and the Republicans me thinks. :haha:

[Ostfriese]

Just gotta weather it out, the trickle down effect will kick in aaaany day now.

Like Elon Musk always says: "Next Year" And don't worry, he'll say the same in six months.

----

On a more serious note: I share Skybirds worries.

Within a decade American politics have managed to push the American people into a frenzied, increasingly violent "We vs. Them", in which they happily participate (no matter the political color). I cannot say whether this "we vs them" mentality has always been around, but it has definitely taken hold, and politicians and political candidates are only too happy to build on this mentality, even stoking it.
The important issues are no more than a side note. No political candidate offers even a hint of a solution, but a lot of emotions and a finger pointed at someone else (and more often than not it's the proverbial middle finger, not the index finger). Even worse: if a political candidate does not point his fingers at his/her opponent it's considered a weakness.

It's a situation which keeps the people busy with being at each others' throats so that they won't (and don't) notice how they are continually exploited. Warren Buffet once said there's class warfare, and it's the rich making war. With a population heavily engaged in a "we vs. them" trench war it's only too easy to exploit them. Those who feel they are superior and winning in the trench war will only take longer to notice that they lost to those who sent them into the trenches.

Someone in the German media said a few days ago that Americans had unlearned the art of compromise. That doesn't go far enough in my opinion. The American people have been systematically discouraged from even seeking compromises, they have been told that comprimises with the other party aren't possible anyway.
This is not a problem only the American people face, it's done in Democracies all over the world. However, I'm deeply worried about how well it has worked and still works in the US, because once you are in this struggle it's going to take a long, difficult time to get out of it.

[em2nought]

Compromise leads to men wearing nothing but ladies lingerie reading woke stories to your soon to be confused children.

[Ostfriese]

Compromise leads to men wearing nothing but ladies lingerie reading woke stories to your soon to be confused children.


You just proved my point.

[em2nought]

You just proved my point.

We've well learned that when the word compromise is used it really means they get what they want, and they always want more. They don't want the USA, they want something else.

[Dowly]

I think you're confusing compromise with kompromat.


See, the former is a deal that all parties agree on. So, for example, if the result would be men wearing women's lingerie, then the blame for that would be on all the parties. Including yours.


The latter is why the GOP loves Russia more than their own country.


Hopefully that cleared it.

[u crank]

The latter is why the GOP loves Russia more than their own country.

That is hilarious. Do you write your own material?

[Dowly]

That is hilarious. Do you write your own material?
It writes itself.

[u crank]

It writes itself.

Of course. Comedy is not an exact science.

[u crank]

Within a decade American politics have managed to push the American people into a frenzied, increasingly violent "We vs. Them", in which they happily participate (no matter the political color). I cannot say whether this "we vs them" mentality has always been around, but it has definitely taken hold, and politicians and political candidates are only too happy to build on this mentality, even stoking it.

What you say here is true but some reference points are needed. I was 18 years old in 1968. I remember what was going on very well. The US seem to be coming apart. Violent anti war protests, cities burning because riots, assasinations of major political figures (RFK and MLK), and a Democrat convention in Chicago which was called a police riot to name a few events. Not much has changed but we have yet to see that level of political division and violence since. Hope it stays that way.

No political candidate offers even a hint of a solution, but a lot of emotions and a finger pointed at someone else (and more often than not it's the proverbial middle finger, not the index finger). Even worse: if a political candidate does not point his fingers at his/her opponent it's considered a weakness.

Sad but true. Both Trump and Biden are shining examples of this problem. The demonization of political beliefs. There is no debate. It is good vs evil.

[mapuc]

Have USA entered the Twilight zone ?

It looks they have. What is there to expect now they are there ?

Markus

[Rockstar]

Have USA entered the Twilight zone ?

It looks they have. What is there to expect now they are there ?

Markus

Like I said before, the vast majority of Americans have absolutely nothing to do with the headlines.

[Dowly]

At the bare miminum, anyone who has voted does have something to do with the headlines. All of the representatives have been voted in by the american people.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKVBvooZ2c8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjAO_7ZpqjQ

[u crank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKVBvooZ2c8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjAO_7ZpqjQ

Democracy is on the ballot says Bill Mahar. In other words, to save democracy you can only really vote for one party. The other party is going to destroy democracy in America. How telling it is that the people who want to save democracy, don't really want to have democracy. They want a one party state. Their party. I'm beginning to think that some people don't know what the word actually means.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Democracy is on the ballot says Bill Mahar. In other words, to save democracy you can only really vote for one party. The other party is going to destroy democracy in America. How telling it is that the people who want to save democracy, don't really want to have democracy. They want a one party state. Their party. I'm beginning to think that some people don't know what the word actually means. And yet both parties claim the other one is the one which will destroy democracy and their party is the only one which can save it. While this is nothing exactly new in American politics the fact that both parties have gone into the political extremes does nothing for the "average" American (I'm using quotes for the word average since even this term has become hazy and vague and is more strongly defined by what ones political point of view is.), and will only benefit those on the extreme end of the spectrum. What is going on now isn't democracy it IS stupid childish finger-pointing fear mongering BS by officials who where elected by the people for the people who's job it is to get something done for the people.

[u crank]

And yet both parties claim the other one is the one which will destroy democracy and their party is the only one which can save it. While this is nothing exactly new in American politics the fact that both parties have gone into the political extremes does nothing for the "average" American (I'm using quotes for the word average since even this term has become hazy and vague and is more strongly defined by what ones political point of view is.), and will only benefit those on the extreme end of the spectrum. What is going on now isn't democracy it IS stupid childish finger-pointing fear mongering BS by officials who where elected by the people for the people who's job it is to get something done for the people.

There are flame throwers in both parties. But there are voices of reason who get drowned out by them.

Then there is the media. It is in the best interest for FOX and CNN to keep the political temperature hot. It is their money making business plan and they have no problem distorting the truth to fulfill their agenda. Trump said a lot of dumb things but he was right about the MSM. They are not your friend.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

There are flame throwers in both parties. But there are voices of reason who get drowned out by them.

Then there is the media. It is in the best interest for FOX and CNN to keep the political temperature hot. It is their money making business plan and they have no problem distorting the truth to fulfill their agenda. Trump said a lot of dumb things but he was right about the MSM. They are not your friend.That's because who yells the loudest gets the most attention. As for the media it's been a political tool in America since the days of newspapers and broadsheets. Of course the rise in political bias in the media has been going on since the 1940's (probably even earlier then that) and has only gotten worse in recent decades in particular since the Vietnam War. It's also more notable that whenever a media outlet talks about a news story they will always have pundits or "political experts" who are asked to voice their opinion. It is these opinions and not the story itself that get people talking.

[Skybird]

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes on the elections:
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An unpopular president and oppressive inflation - the starting position before the U.S. congressional elections resembles that under Truman in 1946

Faced with a president with modest poll numbers and international crises, the Democrats under Harry Truman suffered a disastrous defeat in the 1946 midterms. But Republicans cheered only briefly at the time.

The U.S. president was aware of an almost ironclad political rule: in midterm congressional elections, it is never the party in power in the White House that celebrates on election night. When Harry Truman reflected on his Democrats' electoral prospects in the Oval Office in early November 1946, he was aware that only once had the presidential party emerged victorious from the midterms. It was not long ago: in 1934, the Democrats under Franklin D. Roosevelt had bucked every historical trend and won seats in both chambers of Congress. Voters had honored the fact that the 32nd president had taken energetic steps to overcome the Great Depression under the slogan "New Deal."

A success of historic dimensions

The shadow of his predecessor weighed heavily on Truman. The senator from Missouri had been elected Roosevelt's vice president in 1944 for his fourth term (which would no longer be possible today due to a constitutional amendment). After Roosevelt's death in April 1945, he succeeded him in the highest office. The wave of sympathy for his successor - shortly after taking office, Truman had an approval rating of 87 percent - had quickly subsided. Many commentators measured the unassuming bespectacled man, who had repeatedly failed in his professional career before entering politics, against his flamboyant predecessor and found him too uncharismatic.

Even worse for his party, however, was the fact that the mood in the country, which had still been euphoric after winning the world war, had deteriorated drastically. It was paralyzed by strikes, especially in the steel and auto industries and on the railroads. Moreover, after the lifting of price controls still dating from the war, inflation was oppressive; staple foods saw price increases like they had not seen in a generation - if they were available at all. There were supply problems as a result of rationing that had not yet been overcome. In Denver, for example, housewives hijacked the truck of a large bakery with its load of bread.

This created ideal conditions for the opposition party. The Republicans were campaigning against a president who had an approval rating of only 32 percent and who was complying with the request of many of his fellow candidates not to show up at their campaign events.

On election night, the Republicans' hopes were fulfilled: they reversed the balance of power in Congress. In the House of Representatives, they gained 55 seats, the highest victory since the midterm elections of 1894. In the Senate, the success was of historic dimensions. Only twice in American history has a party succeeded in wresting more than ten seats in the small chamber from its opponent. In 1946, the Republicans won twelve seats. Congress had thus become a potent corrective to Truman's policies.

A drastic warning from history

Republican strategists harbor a similar expectation in Tuesday's congressional elections. Even if the problems of the present are different from those of the first postwar year, the mood seems comparable to that of then - especially with regard to the president, who has struggled to climb out of a polling slump.

Since World War II, the incumbent president's party has lost an average of 26 seats in the House and 4 in the Senate in midterms. It has made gains only twice: In addition to the Democrats under Roosevelt in 1934, the Republicans under George W. Bush managed to do so in 2002, when the nation largely rallied behind the incumbent as a result of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. In 1998, Democrats won seats in the House of Representatives but not the Senate in the wake of the mudslinging over Bill Clinton. Both chambers remained under Republican control.

In one respect, election night 2022 could resemble that of 1946: a victorious Republican Party would cast the result as the beginning of the end of the Democratic presidency. But here American history holds a drastic warning. Victories in midterm elections are fleeting and have little radiance on the presidential election that comes two years later. After the 1946 landslide, Republicans were so sure of success that they went for a loser. Once again they sent New York Governor Thomas Dewey, who had lost to Roosevelt in 1944, into the race.

The demoscopes cheered the certainty of victory not only until the vote was cast, but even beyond. A piece of 20th century iconography is the photo of a beaming and just re-elected President Truman holding up the newspaper with a premature headline: "Dewey defeats Truman!"


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Dewey_Defeats_Truman.jpg/1280px-Dewey_Defeats_Truman.jpg

[mapuc]

How many of you Americans vote by tradition ? Here I'm thinking on family tradition.

Markus

[Ostfriese]

How many of you Americans vote by tradition ? Here I'm thinking on family tradition.

Markus


I'd say there are quite a lot of voters everywhere (not just in the US) who vote for* the same party in every election, no matter what. I'd even bet that a considerable amount of people know very little (if anything) about the candidate they vote for - again not limited to the US.




*on a side note: is it "to vote for somebody" or just "to vote somebody", without the preposition?

[mapuc]

I'd say there are quite a lot of voters everywhere (not just in the US) who vote for* the same party in every election, no matter what. I'd even bet that a considerable amount of people know very little (if anything) about the candidate they vote for - again not limited to the US.




*on a side note: is it "to vote for somebody" or just "to vote somebody", without the preposition?

Ok I forgot once again to explain why I asked-The Danes have had their election on the 1st Nov. Where they should vote on who they want to be sitting in the Parliament and a percentage of these voters vote by tradition.

But as you said it's happening world wide. Where people can vote.

Markus

[Rockstar]

At the bare miminum, anyone who has voted does have something to do with the headlines. All of the representatives have been voted in by the american people.

Speaking for myself based on my own first hand observations, experience and communication with my neighbors, friends, people I never met before, those I talk to on the beach, at the store, happen upon elsewhere. I can absolutely say no, we don’t have jack squat to do with the headlines.

Where as the information you hear which forms your opinion of what all Americans are like or think is from what? Headlines.

That’s not to say we don’t receive information via media. But with regard to the sensational accusations and threats of nazisim, fascism rebellion, conspiracies theories, blue anon q anon nonsense. No, we don’t have anything to do with it. That nonsense is reserved for Europeans, party fanboys, a small percent of our population i.e. the nut cases, and trolls.

[Catfish]

"Let them argue their mindless politics. The more they disagree, the sooner they'll fall apart."
the collective 8

Richard Rorty Chillingly:

"[M]embers of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers—themselves desperately afraid of being downsized—are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.

At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for—someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. A scenario like that of Sinclair Lewis’ novel It Can’t Happen Here may then be played out. For once a strongman takes office, nobody can predict what will happen. In 1932, most of the predictions made about what would happen if Hindenburg named Hitler chancellor were wildly overoptimistic.

One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past forty years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. The words [slur for an African-American that begins with “n”] and [slur for a Jewish person that begins with “k”] will once again be heard in the workplace. All the sadism which the academic Left has tried to make unacceptable to its students will come flooding back. All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet."

[les green01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neCj_m2p4i0

[mapuc]

Politicians lie to us because, deep down, we want them to.

It’s hard for them to get elected when they tell the truth.

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1589372353200680961

Markus

[Skybird]

Very bullseyed opinion piece/comment by the Neuer Zürcher Zeitung. Think they nailed it (like often).
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The Disunited States of America: Experts Warn of Civil War - But More Likely the Country Will Continue to Drift Apart

The U.S. electoral system has driven polarization. It is now so strong that politically motivated violence has become common. Only far-reaching electoral reforms could help. But the will to do so is lacking.


The storming of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, was unique in its scale and symbolic power. But politically motivated violence has become frighteningly commonplace in the United States. Only the most sensational cases make headlines, such as the attack on the husband of Democratic Speaker Nancy Pelosi during the current election campaign or the attack on the Republican candidate for governor in New York, Lee Zeldin, two months earlier. As if America were a country at war, the Federal Bureau of Investigation is warning of intimidation and violence against voters and poll workers for Tuesday's ballot.

In 2021 alone, Capitol Police in Washington recorded nearly 10,000 explicit threats against members of Congress - 10 times as many as in 2016, reflecting a brutalization of discourse under Donald Trump, who did not shy away even from glorifying physical violence. But the former president was only a symptom, not the cause, of the country's dangerous polarization, which is comparatively recent in this form.

The center has eroded

The United States, which once fought a bloody civil war over the conflict over slavery, has a long history of political discord, for example at the time of the civil rights movement or the Vietnam War. Violence is not an unknown problem either; four presidents have been assassinated.

One phenomenon of the last twenty years, however, is how clearly the divides are drawn along party lines. Once, Republicans and Democrats were so close in content that the American Political Science Association issued a report in 1950 calling for a clearer distinction to actually present voters with an alternative. The country's leading political scientists called for more polarization - today that seems unreal.

At the time, there was a wide overlap in Congress: a Democrat from the Southern states was possibly more conservative than a Republican from New England. In the early 1970s, one in three members of Congress could be classified as moderate, according to the Pew Research Center's analyses of voting patterns. Today, it's only one in 25. The center has eroded.

This is the aftermath of the programmatic realignment of both parties a good fifty years ago. It occurred primarily because of civil rights legislation and resulted in an ideological, ethnic, religious, and geographic "sorting" of the political landscape. Democrats and Republicans alike became more cohesive in terms of content, moving steadily further away from the center and also spatially apart. In the 1992 presidential election, for example, only 7 percent of the population lived in counties where one of the candidates won more than 70 percent of the vote, that is, in counties that were very politically lopsided. That percentage has multiplied; in 2020, 29 percent already voted in such "landslide" counties.

It's a new kind of segregation: most Americans today also live culturally, politically and even medially segregated from dissenters. There is hardly any exchange between these "bubbles," which reinforces the conviction of one's own position and thus the unwillingness to compromise. The resulting conflicts sometimes extend into families. In just over two weeks, before the Thanksgiving holiday travel season gets underway, various media outlets will once again publish their annual tips on how to have a good time with the family and on how to avoid a scandal at the feast.

Only 14 percent of seats are truly competitive

The American electoral system plays a key role in this development. At one time, the majority voting system was considered moderating, because in single-member constituencies, only those who also appealed to the middle could win. This has changed with the geographic "sorting" of recent decades. In addition, there is the drawing of electoral boundaries for their own political advantage (gerrymandering), which both parties practice to the limit of what is legally permissible in the constituent states they dominate.
Every ten years, this redistricting takes place based on the most recent census, including before the midterm elections. It has further reduced the already low number of competitive districts with open election outcomes to the lowest level in the last 52 years, as analyzed by the Brennan Center, which specializes in election law issues. According to the analysis, there is real competition for only 14 percent of the 435 seats in the House of Representatives. 375 mandates are practically already assigned, before the polling stations open.

In the vast majority of cases, the real battle for a seat therefore takes place in the intra-party primaries. Until the 1970s, these nominations were made by officials who took into account the overall well-being of the party. Extreme candidates thus had little chance. Today, however, it is the committed and often activist party supporters who decide. This has made the system much more susceptible to ideologues and penalizes centrist, consensus-oriented politicians.

It is no coincidence that most staunch Trump critics in the Republican Party have now ended their careers. Otherwise, their lack of loyalty to the grassroots idol threatened the kind of ignominy Liz Cheney experienced this summer. The prominent congresswoman would have been assured re-election in conservative Wyoming if she had been nominated. But the Republican lost in the primaries to a loyalist of the ex-president.

By contrast, among Democrats, self-identified socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez need not fear for her seat in a very left-leaning New York district as long as she is not challenged by an even more progressive competitor - just as she herself chased a more moderate party colleague from office four years ago.

Breaking this vicious circle of polarization would require far-reaching electoral reforms, for which there is currently no apparent will. The consequences are dramatic. Proper legislation requires a qualified majority in the Senate, which would force bipartisan cooperation. However, such cooperation is not possible even in cases where the will of the people is clear according to polls - for example, for tightening gun laws. The deadlock has now spread to areas such as the budget and foreign policy, where agreement was previously possible. President Joe Biden is likely to feel the pinch next year if, as expected, Republicans win Tuesday's elections. His support for Ukraine will then undoubtedly face more opposition.

America's federalism has become unhealthy

The inability to reach consensus has poisoned the climate to such an extent that noted experts now warn of a slide into civil war. That sounds more far-fetched than it is: according to one poll, about 80 percent of Democrats and Republicans each see the opposing party as a serious threat to America. More than a quarter of the population believes it will soon be necessary to rise up armed against the government. A further increase in violence is therefore to be feared.

More likely than a total escalation, however, is a further drifting apart of "red" and "blue" constituent states - another designation that has only emerged in the last twenty years. Because of Washington's blockade, the states are increasingly taking over the regulation of such far-reaching issues as climate protection, gun control or voting rights themselves. This is certainly in keeping with the federalist principle of the USA. But in what was once a healthy federalism, some problematic excesses have occurred, writes conservative publicist David French in his book "Divided We Fall," published two years ago.

One example is the reaction to the Supreme Court's overturning of the nation's abortion law this summer. The progressive-dominated states of California and Connecticut have passed legal protections for people who are prosecuted in their home state for having an abortion. They will not comply with corresponding requests for legal assistance. Various conservative states, on the other hand, want to punish even those outside their borders who help their citizens obtain an abortion. This would restrict the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of movement within the USA - a taboo violation.

Such diametrically different regulations further deepen the divide. Is the country falling apart, as French fears in an extreme scenario? Perhaps it is precisely the compartmentalized "bubbles" that prevent this. But the United States is hardly united anymore.

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[Rockstar]

More likely than a total escalation, however, is a further drifting apart of "red" and "blue" constituent states - another designation that has only emerged in the last twenty years. Because of Washington's blockade, the states are increasingly taking over the regulation of such far-reaching issues as climate protection, gun control or voting rights themselves. This is certainly in keeping with the federalist principle of the USA. But in what was once a healthy federalism, some problematic excesses have occurred, writes conservative publicist David French in his book "Divided We Fall," published two years ago.

I couldn’t help but laugh. States have ALWAYS had the RIGHT to regulate firearms and each one does. Each state has ALWAYS been responsible for running elections within its own borders and each one still does. As for the environment as well as most everything else, our system of dual sovereignty has ALWAYS put limits on federal power and recognized the autonomy of each state to develop and enforce laws.

The real problem is…

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/11/cf/bd11cffd2d9b44554e3553466e9a478b.jpg

[MaDef]

The storming of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, was unique in its scale and symbolic power. But politically motivated violence has become frighteningly commonplace in the United States.LOL... Love hearing about what's wrong with my country from other countries, always good for a chuckle.
My Response:
1. the United States was Born using political violence. IE; Sons of Liberty founded 1765 (Sam Adams, John Hancock, Benedict Arnold, Thomas Payne, and Patrick Henry were some of the better known members)

2. Freedom is never free.

[les green01]

LOL... Love hearing about what's wrong with my country from other countries, always good for a chuckle.
My Response:
1. the United States was Born using political violence. IE; Sons of Liberty founded 1765 (Sam Adams, John Hancock, Benedict Arnold, Thomas Payne, and Patrick Henry were some of the better known members)

2. Freedom is never free.

got that right also notice most of them if they might get in a war holler they need the good old red,white and blue basic us bailing them out

[Torvald Von Mansee]

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/2022.11.04%20ECP%20Staff%20Report%20re%20Excess%20 Corporate%20Profits.pdf

How odd that corporate greed fueling inflation is never mentioned in the political ads I've been seeing, only "out of control, reckless spending." I'm guessing if that spending went to whoever was paying for such ads, it would mysteriously not be out of control or reckless?

[Skybird]

Nowadays, conditioned reflexes almost automatically dominate reactions to criticism of the American model, and with only one or two sentences, any more differentiated or unfamiliar train of thought is immediately rammed back down to a familiar profile, which one tries to counter with the same reflexes over and over again, which of course does not succeed, since one does not concern oneself with the argument and its justification. But again and again only with one's own finger shadow play on the wall, which one puts in its place and then passes off as the enemy image - which one has created oneself.

The reaction to the NZZ article was expected. And shows very convincingly one more time how true his descriptions and assessments are: because exactly these reactions iullustrate it overwhelmingly.

When a media landscape is so plarized and thematically so neurotically concentrated on a narrow focus and fixed point, as is the case today mostly in the West, but especially in the U.S., then a perspective offered from outside this system may be able to offer and reveal new views that the participants in this system have become unable to take and behold from within it, just as an eye cannot look at itself: it needs the external perspective that a mirror makes possible in the first place.

Your reaction shows that the author of the NZZ article has unfortunately hit the nail on the head. And you don't even notice it anymore! :03:

And this is the reason why I am convinced that the selfdestruction within the middle of American society will continue and the polarization will lead to extremes previously unknown. The centre erodes, the common ground where compromise is possible, meeting the other. The left and right rims gain overweight. Extremism catches and brutally bullies the ever shrinking centre from both sides, until it is gone, and both extremes collide head on with nothing between them anymore.

And then Good Night, kids. You can try to run from history. But you cant hide.

[ET2SN]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/1130504/story_image/TMW2022-11-09color.png?1667603250



:03:

[Skybird]

According to a report by CNN, Russian oligarch and confidant of Vladimir Putin has admitted Russia's interference in the U.S. election. "I will answer you very subtly and carefully, and I apologize if my answer allows for some ambiguity: Gentlemen, we interfered, we are interfering and we will interfere," Yevgeny Prigozhin said in a Q&A session held on the social platform VKontakte, the Russian equivalent of Facebook.

Prigozhin is a financier of an Internet influence agency known as "Putin bots" and founder of the mercenary group Wagner. While he holds no office in Vladimir Putin's government, he is considered a very close confidant of the Russian president. According to CNN, Prigozhin is the first high-ranking protagonist from the Kremlin's entourage to admit the influence of Russian forces on U.S. elections such as the midterms.
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How could this be, when Trump has ruled that it is not so, and no Russian influence by his admired best tough guy Putin has ever taken place? :O:

[August]

How could this be, when Trump has ruled that it is not so, and no Russian influence by his admired best tough guy Putin has ever taken place? :O:





Funny how you can go from "can't believe anything that putin says" right to taking his comments as the Holy Gospel all depending on how much you want it to be true. :roll:

[Rockstar]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/1130504/story_image/TMW2022-11-09color.png?1667603250



:03:

“All of which were quickly discredited by surveillance videos, and the attackers own admission.”


Police body cams and security videos have not been made public by order of the San Francisco DA who will not release them.

The nut case David DePape has made no public confession or appearance. No official complaints or confessions. He has for lack of better words ‘disappeared’.

As I wrote earlier. Media immediately associated him with Trump/MAGA. I would have thought by now a Congressional Committee formed to gather evidence and subpoena witnesses. You know, “Never Again!”

IMO the matter has been swept under the rug.

[Rockstar]

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/2022.11.04%20ECP%20Staff%20Report%20re%20Excess%20 Corporate%20Profits.pdf

How odd that corporate greed fueling inflation is never mentioned in the political ads I've been seeing, only "out of control, reckless spending." I'm guessing if that spending went to whoever was paying for such ads, it would mysteriously not be out of control or reckless?


I agree, some are marking up the prices probably to make up for slow growth from forced shut downs and unemployment during the pandemic, greedy bastiages. But they can and they will because its’s made possible by knee jerk reactions of our public officials who are not watching out for the one’s who elect them. We are reaping what we sow: over fifty years of deregulation, financialization, and corporate concentration.

Not too mention decades of massive increases to the money supply, which also cause inflation.

I’ll bet big money no matter what party holds the majority nothing will change. They’re serving up a big poop sandwich. You’re just gonna sit down take a big bite and like it.

[em2nought]

IMO the matter has been swept under the rug.

We know things that adversely reflect on Republicans NEVER get swept under a rug so....

:D

[Rockstar]

We know things that adversely reflect on Republicans NEVER get swept under a rug so....

:D

Good point! :haha:

[Buddahaid]

We know things that adversely reflect on Republicans NEVER get swept under a rug so....

:D

So that's why Trump sounds like a broken record that keeps repeating the same lines over and over again.:Kaleun_Wink:

[les green01]

So that's why Trump sounds like a broken record that keeps repeating the same lines over and over again.:Kaleun_Wink:

least trump can use a teleprompter and not screw it up unlike a certain someone :haha: but then dems knows how to put fences all around Washington but leave the southern border wide open for whoever wants to come in but then certain someone can't sit on a stationary bike with one foot on the ground without dumping it or say overthrow the feds you going need more than riffles but planes and nukes but at the same time a party wants us to believe a couple thousand took the capital unarm :har:

[MaDef]

Your reaction shows that the author of the NZZ article has unfortunately hit the nail on the head. And you don't even notice it anymore! Not hardly, That article was condescending, and trying to say political violence was uniquely American. I just pointed out that the United States was born out of political violence. Besides, for you Europeans to call us out on political violence, is tantamount to the pot calling the kettle black. We here in the U.S. are relative newcomers to political violence @245 yrs old compared to Europe's history of political violence @ 1500+ years.:up:

[Gorpet]

[QUOTE=MaDef;2836810]Not hardly, That article was condescending, and trying to say political violence was uniquely American. I just pointed out that the United States was born out of political violence. Besides, for you Europeans to call us out on political violence, is tantamount to the pot calling the kettle black. We here in the U.S. are relative newcomers to political violence @245 yrs old compared to Europe's history of political violence @ 1500+ years.:up:[/QUOTe

Yes,The United States was born out of political violence, Against England and when all the dying was done. The Liberal was born. Until Dec.7th 1941 after 1945 they came back out of their holes. The Liberal always hides behind their chameleon skins ,talk,faces,skin, above all they seek power. Know them by their lies. Know them by their actions. Know them by the Palaces they live in and own, the very earth that you can't set foot on.Unless your illegal from Canada and find your way to San Francisco with a flower in your hair and a hammer in your hand naked inside Paul Pelosi house.It's all about Mushrooms the life of every Westcoaster, The desert is the getaway ask Johnny Depp.

[Catfish]

Russia’s Wagner Group founder admits to US election interference

https://bbcgossip.com/news/russias-wagner-group-founder-admits-to-us-election-interference/

[les green01]

Russia’s Wagner Group founder admits to US election interference

https://bbcgossip.com/news/russias-wagner-group-founder-admits-to-us-election-interference/

i read that too that the problem with some of the rep they are too cozy to russia

[Rockstar]

Russia’s Wagner Group founder admits to US election interference

https://bbcgossip.com/news/russias-wagner-group-founder-admits-to-us-election-interference/

Who needs Russian election interference when we got this?

Joe Biden’s bizarre closing argument: ‘Shut up, moocher’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-s-bizarre-closing-argument-shut-up-moocher/ar-AA13S0L2

On the eve of the midterm elections, in which voters will hand President Biden his report card, the White House has settled on a message: Shut up and take whatever we give you.

That’s the poop sandwich I wrote of earlier. :har:

[Skybird]

i read that too that the problem with some of the rep they are too cozy to russia
The love for the strong man, the Führerkult, is universal.

[August]

The love for the strong man, the Führerkult, is universal.




Good thing we're not authority loving Germans eh?

[August]

Nice article:


.......


Months ago, some Democrats had sought to make the whole midterm campaign about Trump, in the hopes that his unpopularity with between half and two-thirds of the electorate would sink Republican chances of taking back either the House or the Senate. Indeed, at times, the entire work of the Democratic-picked House Jan. 6 committee seemed about keeping Trump under constant attack, and in negative news reports, throughout the campaign season.


There was a weird confluence of the Democratic plan and Trump's wishes. Democrats wanted the election to be about Trump. So did Trump. The only players who did not want the campaign to be about the former president were the Republicans actually trying to win House and Senate seats to take control of Congress.


But inflation, and a precarious economy in general, intervened in everyone's plans. So did the Supreme Court, with its decision overturning Roe v. Wade. So did rising crime rates. So did the Biden-created disaster on the U.S.-Mexico border. And then, an even more fundamental factor emerged: Midterm elections are a referendum on the party in power, especially the president. Unpopular presidents such as Joe Biden (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/joe-biden?utm_campaign=autolink&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=autolink) — job approval rating 42.1% in the RealClearPolitics average of polls — lose House seats in midterm elections. The only question is how many, and Democrats did not have many to lose.


Trump faded as a factor in the campaign. Even when the Justice Department raided the former president's home in Florida, looking for documents allegedly held in violation of the Presidential Records Act, the flurry of Trump talk — it mostly benefited Trump, whose supporters saw it as yet another example of him being unfairly targeted by the FBI — did not turn into a dominant issue in the campaign.


That left Trump in an uncomfortable position, for him — not at the center of the political universe. Thus there were recurring stories throughout the campaign, leaked by people around Trump, that Trump planned to announce his 2024 candidacy soon. That would certainly make everything about him. Perhaps the announcement would come during the midterm campaign, perhaps right before, perhaps after, but soon.


The talk drove Republican candidates and strategists crazy. They wanted their campaigns to be about Biden and the Democrats who currently control both House and Senate. They wanted the midterm elections to be a traditional judgment on the party in power. With Biden so unpopular, they sensed victory. They did not want Trump barging in and trying to make things about himself.


The GOP strategist quoted above said that in recent weeks, he heard insider talk that Trump would announce his candidacy on election eve, Nov. 7. Then he heard talk that the announcement would come after the election, on Nov. 14. "The idea has been rolling around for three weeks," he said.


There had also been talk that Trump would announce even earlier. If that had happened, the strategist said, he would have been furious, "just flat, nuclear, pissed off," as he put it. If Trump had done it on election eve, the effects would not have been as bad, he noted, but it still would have stepped all over the Republican Party's final message. News coverage would have been "Trump's in. Happy Election Day."


Other Republicans saw equally negative effects. "If Trump announces tonight," tweeted Georgia conservative Erick Erickson on Monday, "the media coverage tomorrow will overshadow the entirety of the GOP's closing midterm message and give the GOP someone to blame if they underwhelm at the polls." On the other hand, Trump ally Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz tweeted on Monday, "Trump deserves all the credit for this wave election and announcing tonight he will seize it."


In the end, Trump did not go forward with the election-eve plan. Instead, he told the crowd in Ohio that he will make a "very big announcement" next week. "I'm going to be making a very big announcement on Tuesday, Nov. 15, at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida," Trump said. "We want nothing to detract from the importance of tomorrow." And that was Trump's final statement in a midterm campaign that turned out not to be, as Democrats had once hoped, all about him.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-campaign-that-wasnt-about-trump

[em2nought]

Looking forward to starting the destruction of democracy after tonight. :har:

[Catfish]

^ Your last free election :D

[Buddahaid]

Looking forward to starting the destruction of democracy after tonight. :har:

I think that started with Rush Limbaugh.

[u crank]

^ Your last free election :D

What? Is Joe Biden going to cancel the 2024 elections?

:O::D:haha:

[mapuc]

I wish you good luck in your voting, may it be your chosen congress man/women or Senator who win their election

Markus

[les green01]

far has Russian interference as long they are not changing my vote then i care less this is the internet age i can look at what candidates say and if they been elected before i can see their voting record now if they change the vote i would say stump their butts in the ground

[Rockstar]

BREAKING: Liquor stores near Nancy Pelosi's house are reporting a complete sell out of vodka.

Tomorrow, Beto returns to his job as assistant night manager at the Starbucks off of I-35 by the Ramada.

Charlie Crist sets new record after having lost elections running as a Republican, an Independent an now a Democrat.

[Reece]

BREAKING: Liquor stores near Nancy Pelosi's house are reporting a complete sell out of vodka.

:har::har:

[Skybird]

A win for Republicans was expected, but some even predicted a "red floodwave". Such a red wave seems not to materialize. They said many newly registered voters went voting. These escaped the polls. And maybe Trump shows to be not only a vote gatherer for the reps, but also a vote mobilizer for the dems.

[Catfish]

Seems they still like Mr. Abbott in Texas :arrgh!:
Staying in power has a new meaning..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis

[Ostfriese]

The results so far seem to be within what could have been expected based on polls, but on the low end for the republicans.

[Skybird]

DeSantis collects a triumph. And immediately the Donald warns him to not candidate against him. :haha:

Lets see what lessons the Republicans learn from this election, it did not give them the great march-through they expected, many of the Donald's favourites flopped. Maybe they finally have to face the fact that having the Donald with them is more of a mortgage and burden than an ace up their sleeve. I suspect that this election has become the second time that the Donald has been seen as a threat that must be prevented at all costs - driving additional pro-Democrats voters to the polls who were not previously expected.

If so, letting the Donald candidate in 2024 sounds not like a good idea. The Santis is like the Donald, just more clever and intelligent were Donald is just rude and stupid, DeSantis is personally less unpleasant and less stupid and arrogant, and offering less attack surface. He probably is the better option to go with.


No, I am no fan of DeSantis. I only describe the election chances of two possible candidates in two years.

[Ostfriese]

DeSantis collects a triumph. And immediately the Donald warns him to not candidate against him. :haha:

Lets see what lessons the Republicans learn from this election, it did not give them the great march-through they expected, many of the Donald's favourites flopped. Maybe they finally have to face the fact that having the Donald with them is more of a mortgage and burden than an ace up their sleeve. I suspect that this election has become the second time that the Donald has been seen as a threat that must be prevented at all costs - driving additional pro-Democrats voters to the polls who were not previously expected.

If so, letting the Donald candidate in 2024 sounds not like a good idea. The Santis is like the Donald, just more clever and intelligent were Donald is just rude and stupid, DeSantis is personally less unpleasant and less stupid and arrogant, and offering less attack surface. He probably is the better option to go with.


No, I am no fan of DeSantis. I only describe the election chances of two possible candidates in two years.


I'm not sure about that. Trump has already shown that he's a sore loser, and if he loses to DeSantis in the primaries I'd not expect him to be quiet and accepting about it.

[Dowly]

Let's see if Trump even decides to run; the RNC has stated that they stop paying Trump's legal bills, if he announces 2024 run. :)

[Skybird]

That the Donald wants to save America for a third time :D is beyond doubt, whether they let him - that is something different. :salute:
That he has warned DeSantis to not candidate against Trump, is fact. Or was it fake? Or is it the same? I mean, its too difficult anyway to keep both things separate. I mean, claim already is evidence these days.


Difficult, these new political realities. Or is it alternate realities? Multiverses, one for each mouth speaking? :06: With one Donald in each of them? :o A nightmareverse.:timeout:

[Onkel Neal]

Seems they still like Mr. Abbott in Texas :arrgh!:
Staying in power has a new meaning..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis

Well, consider the alternative, Beto, he's a gold-plated joke. Runs for some officer every year: Senator, President, Governor. Perennial poster boy for the naïve and gullible. I wish he would just move to Kalifornia already and run for governor there, he would win in a landslide.

Abbott is ok but he's too moderate. I do like his sending illegal aliens directly to sanctuary cities, however. Listen to the lefties howl.

[Skybird]

Die Zeit draws a preliminary conclusion and comments:
---------------------

Not every decision has been made, not all votes have been counted, and the "red tsunami" is probably no more than a gentle wave. But the success of J. D. Vance and many other extreme Republican candidates, regardless of the final outcome of these midterms, shows that the political foundation of the United States has shifted permanently.

Both parties had one central message during the election campaign: it was about saving America. But not both political camps want to save democracy anymore. Many Republicans see it at best as a decorative label, but otherwise they don't care about what constitutes a functioning democracy: accepting election results, for example. And some of those who think so are now entering Congress.

Even before the election, citizens expressed great concern about the state of democracy in polls. Four years of Donald Trump's presidency and a violent mob outside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, have left their mark on the country. There has been much debate about the resilience of American democracy since then. For Republicans, it obviously wasn't electorally decisive. It's not the attack on a Democratic institution that worries them, but an encroaching leftist government, the alleged Deep State.

Senate-elected Trump supporter J.D. Vance and others may not seem scary and radical at first impression, like radical right-wing conspiracy supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene - who defended her House seat - but they are no less nefarious. They just sell their nefariousness to their supporters as exactly what their America needs to be saved. Ron DeSantis, who was re-elected governor of Florida by a wide margin, shows how it's done. He talks about the dangers of a radical left, the crisis at the border, elections in jeopardy, woker indoctrination in schools, fake news media, and at the same time how he wants to help hard working people in the U.S. regain an American dream. They are buzzwords heard across the country.

For Democrats, however, saving their America means saving democracy. Only how to save a democracy from demise when their own supporters hear the message but don't act on it? In the 2020 presidential election, Donald Trump drew as a bogeyman. In recent weeks, Joe Biden and his party have also warned. And in doing so, perhaps prevented the worst, given only the current state of the results. But it has not been enough to trigger a "Democratic wave."

American politics has become exhausting, frustrating, an eternal struggle. It can be tempting to retreat into one's own daily routine, to hope that everything will work out, just as it did with Biden. That a Democrat will be president again and that the damage will be contained. Only, it's not really going well anymore.

Trump is about to run for president again. That would consolidate his power over the Republican Party. And the danger is real that the democratic institutions will no longer be able to withstand this right-wing movement because, at worst, the extreme would no longer sit in the White House. The extremists are now in the Senate, in the House of Representatives, in important offices in the states. They may not yet have a majority, but they often have control of the committees and offices they oppose. And thus have a larger and more influential platform from which to spread their misinformation, further increasing citizens' distrust of these same democratic institutions.

It is then only a small step to simply strip away the ornamental label of democracy, because even their own voters no longer need it. And then armed insurgents in front of the Capitol and violent lone wolves attacking political opponents could also be seen quite openly as a logical continuation of this salvation. Not all conservatives in the United States want to go down that road. It's just that moderates are increasingly losing their place in the Republican Party.


Of course, the U.S. is not lost yet. The other voices are still there. They have been heard in many races this midterms. But to save American democracy, the answer can no longer be simply to return to something that has been lost in recent years. What the Founding Fathers once envisioned no longer works for the United States today. The political system must change fundamentally to preserve democratic processes. For example, via a federal law that protects voter rights. Or via term limits on Supreme Court judgeships to make the court more independent again. But that will require clear, bipartisan majorities that the country hasn't seen in years.

The anxious question about the stability of U.S. democracy has long ceased to be a theoretical one; it is more pressing than ever. And no one should be reassured by images of a Democratic president in the White House, a possible Democratic majority in the Senate, or one or two extreme candidates who didn't make it this time. There can be no peace after these elections.
-----------------------------

[Rockstar]

Here’s a news flash for you people with Trump living rent free in your brains.

It’s the economy stupids. @4:04

https://youtu.be/TM6821acpH4

[Onkel Neal]

Saving democracy my ass. I love how the elections are now always "close" and they have to "wait for more metro ballots to be counted". In every race.

Die Zeit sounds like a mental patient.

[les green01]

Saving democracy my ass. I love how the elections are now always "close" and they have to "wait for more metro ballots to be counted". In every race.

Die Zeit sounds like a mental patient.

or file objections before the votes are counted far has trump i have friends that thinks he the greatest thing since slice bread but then i had family that met him well i won't put down what they think of him but we going have to be honest you can't treat people or voters way trump did or does and expect to be elected and jan 6 play a part of this election with some candidates that was there lost i know if trump runs again i won't vote for him but then i can't vote for a democrat for what they stand for

[mapuc]

Let's see if Trump even decides to run; the RNC has stated that they stop paying Trump's legal bills, if he announces 2024 run. :)

As I read it, it doesn't prevent him from going solo.

What that means for the Rep. I can't say.

Markus

[les green01]

As I read it, it doesn't prevent him from going solo.

What that means for the Rep. I can't say.

Markus
if he ran independent it should help republican expressly if biden/harris runs again

[Rockstar]

European news, it’s like cope cages. Desperately drilling into European brains how better off they have it. When in reality it’s probably the same if not worse.

Democracy is just fine here. In fact nobody thought it needed saving until the lead up to the mid terms. It’s another political slogan the latest headline to induce a reaction, gain a vote, or sell papers.

[Skybird]

Biden - running...? :)



:O:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Democracy is just fine here. In fact nobody thought it needed saving until the lead up to the mid terms. It’s another political slogan the latest headline to induce a reaction, gain a vote, or sell papers.

So, you're fine with a gerrymandered state legislature overruling the majority of state voters to send a slate of Presidential Electors to the Electoral College different from what was voted for?

[em2nought]

Cheated just enough to make it look believable that people love inflation and bowing down to Saudi Arabia and Venezuela for oil, saving all their good cheating for 2024. :D

[Moonlight]

Does this result mean that Trump is a busted flush for the Republican Presidential candidate in 2024 then? and does that also mean that "MAGA" is finally dead and buried?.

I expected something like this happening as there were too many issues for any one party to focus on and, when you have as many issues as America has it all gets drowned out by the rest of the noise. The Republicans should have focused on no more than three things, crime, inflation and immigration to name three of them, then they might have done better at the polls, as it is they spread themselves too thin and as I've already said, all that noise drowned out the message they should have been sending out.

I'm thinking that the Republican leadership is to blame for this result "whoever they are", one thing they need to do, and that is to take a long hard look at themselves and change something or else they won't be having a leader in the Whitehouse for the next election either, or will that be the next decade?. :O:

[Buddahaid]

By 2024 more party voting Republicans will have passed away while the 16 somethings will be of voting age and likely voting Democrat.

[Rockstar]

So, you're fine with a gerrymandered state legislature overruling the majority of state voters to send a slate of Presidential Electors to the Electoral College different from what was voted for?

That’s a difficult question to answer because I don’t know what state you live in. Not all states do it or to the extent others do and those that do don’t go to the extremes of the gerrymandering record holders like Maryland and North Carolina.

If it’s a problem then it’s a matter for the voters, their representatives and courts in their respective states to resolve.

[August]

By 2024 more party voting Republicans will have passed away while the 16 somethings will be of voting age and likely voting Democrat.




Sounds a lot like Hispanic immigrants will all vote Dem meme. We'll see. At least if the Repubs take the House then Speaker McCarthy can maybe get some of the Dems tossed out or put in jail, at least from the executive branch.

[Rockstar]

By 2024 more party voting Republicans will have passed away while the 16 somethings will be of voting age and likely voting Democrat.

Jeebus is that ever a sad testimony to the state of the Democrat political platform of getting re-elected. Waiting for Republicans to die off before next election. :har:

[Buddahaid]

Jeebus is that ever a sad testimony to the state of the Democrat political platform of getting re-elected. Waiting for Republicans to die off before next election. :har:

It's just an observation about the changing demographic landscape, not a policy.:haha:

[Skybird]

Many of Trump'S most supported extremists and last election deniars have failed, and Trump definitely has less wind in his sails now. That is good.


The margin in Congress by which the opposing party traditionally scores against the president'S party, is smaller than traditionally. That is a message.


As a foreigner I would assume that many Americans were tired of the blatant extremism and hate and polarization and ever ongoing same old lies being told over and over again by Trump. Also, the slaughtering of abortion rights now shows its cost for the Republicans, I assume.



Seen that way, Biden has won this, considering his role as president and the fate many other presidents have suffered at midterms in their first term. No red tsunami, not even a trace of it - the oracle in the Trump tower was wrong. Like so often.



For the Republicans this can only mean to make a clear cut and get rid of Trump. If they make him their candidate for the election 2024, this result today does not hold reasons for them to be optimistic. As I wrote earlier: he is no the ace in their sleeves - he is a burden. And burdens must be gotten rid of.

[mapuc]

I say they have just withdrawn and are licking their wounds.. MAGA is not death or defeated Nor is Trump.

He may be a burden-His followers doesn't see him like that.

I say he will return with new strength and his followers MAGA will come out of the bushes.

I could of course be wrong.

Markus

[u crank]

The margin in Congress by which the opposing party traditionally scores against the president'S party, is smaller than traditionally. That is a message.

The majority is decided by one vote.

Seen that way, Biden has won this, considering his role as president and the fate many other presidents have suffered at midterms in their first term.

He hasn't won anything. If Republicans take the House of Representatives (and it looks like they will) then Biden's not going to have an easy two years. Impeachment, investigations and an inability to get any Democrat bills passed is Joe Biden's political future.

For the Republicans this can only mean to make a clear cut and get rid of Trump.

I think the Democrats have the same problem only there is two of them. :D

[Skybird]

The majority is decided by one vote.



He hasn't won anything. If Republicans take the House of Representatives (and it looks like they will) then Biden's not going to have an easy two years. Impeachment, investigations and an inability to get any Democrat bills passed is Joe Biden's political future.



I think the Democrats have the same problem only there is two of them. :D

C'mon, you now all that better.
For Biden it makes a difference if he must seek cooperation with and must convince ten Republican congressmen - or forty.
And Biden is maybe indeed only being voted for because he is the lesser evil, but compared to the Donald and some of his extremist fanboy and fangirls he nevertehless is right this: the lesser evil. Like Trump once was voted for to prevent Hillary Clinton.

There must be reasons why both Russia and China would have preferred Trump over Biden as president, and Trumps' supported ones winning these midterms and blocking Biden. ;)

The issues Republicans were trying to score points on obviously didn't score as well as they thought they would. Where as the Democrats' appeals to vote to prevent Trumpism abviously scored much better than anyone dared to predict, or expected.

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z0VrkCBrv8


:Kaleun_Cheers:

Same old, same old. In this case its a good thing.

As I always say, Revolution feels good until you try to order a pizza for delivery. The GOP has been flirting with the idea of changing the government into something more Authoritarian and, basically, Fascist because time is NOT on their side and its the only way they retain any power.
If the minority party is running the Ministry Of Truth and the Ministry Of Love, what difference does it make?

Most of the rank-and-file voters are saying "Oh no you DON'T..". :D

[Skybird]

I say they have just withdrawn and are licking their wounds.. MAGA is not death or defeated Nor is Trump.

He may be a burden-His followers doesn't see him like that.

I say he will return with new strength and his followers MAGA will come out of the bushes.

I could of course be wrong.

Markus
I agree, Trumpismn is here to stay, even without Trump in person. DaSantis does Trumponomics - he is only clever enough to not yell it as loud out into the world as Trump would, and especially not to copy Trump's stupid disgusting behavior schemes that make him so despicable for many. The question is to what degree Trumpism will continue to dominate the Republican party - or not. But US politics will remain getting haunted by Trumpism like German politics get haunted by the AfD.

[August]

I love how foreigners think that our political parties are anything like what passes for them in Germany.

Be interesting to see what they define as "Trumpism". Bet they have absolutely no clue.

[Catfish]

I love how foreigners think that our political parties are anything like what passes for them in Germany.
Be interesting to see what they define as "Trumpism". Bet they have absolutely no clue.
We have no party here at the moment that would really compare, but we are getting to this via the AfD.
Defining Trumpism: Fascism with an iq of 40 :D

[u crank]

C'mon, you now all that better.
For Biden it makes a difference if he must seek cooperation with and must convince ten Republican congressmen - or forty.

Sorry but that is highly unlikely. Convincing GOP members of Congress would not be easy. Those Representatives are all up for election in 2 years and siding with a Democrat administration against the House GOP leadership would be political suicide. Case in point, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, the poster kids for going against your own party. I think they are Walmart greeters somewhere. Biden and his handlers could barely convince one of their own, Sen. Joe Manchin let alone GOP Congress people.

[Skybird]

Still, obviously it happens, else you would have totally deadlocked political system crisis every two years, lasting for two years. Now, with the polarization present, right this is a big problem - and still in congress and senate at least the very absolute indispensable compromises were worked out.

You cannot live without that. Compromises. Give and take.

Probably more relevant in senate, however, but still.

If it would not be true what I said, you wouldn't have a budget currently, but a lockdown on all state spendings. ;) What prevented this: inter-party cooperation to find a compromise.



Works very comparable in Germany with both chambers we have, Bundestag and Bundesrat.

[u crank]

Still, obviously it happens, else you would have totally deadlocked political system crisis every two years, lasting for two years. Now, with the polarization present, right this is a big problem - and still in congress and senate at least the very absolute indispensable compromises were worked out.

You cannot live without that. Compromises. Give and take.

Probably more relevant in senate, however, but still.

If it would not be true what I said, you wouldn't have a budget currently, but a lockdown on all state spendings. ;) What prevented this: inter-party cooperation to find a compromise.


Well Sky it is one thing to agree on a budget they do it all the time. It would be a different thing if Biden wanted one of the Dems signature laws passed. When I said that Biden will have a hard time that is what I was referring to. Again I stress, the new Speaker, probably Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) will wield great power as Nancy Pelosi did. If you want a career as a politician in Washington you don't raise the ire of the Speaker of The House.

Besides, Joe is probably going to be wondering what a GOP led House might do to him. :O:

[ET2SN]

I love how foreigners think that our political parties are anything like what passes for them in Germany.

Be interesting to see what they define as "Trumpism". Bet they have absolutely no clue.

Ohh, I think they do. :yep:

Its the reason why most of their oldest multi-story buildings date back to the 1950's. :03:

[les green01]

well wouldn't be sky if he didn't run around saying the sky falling down:03: he should become an American Citizen so he can spread his knowledge too congress and the white house:03:

[Rockstar]

I love how foreigners think that our political parties are anything like what passes for them in Germany.



True, Europeans particularly Germans use Trump to distract everyone from their own nefarious deeds. IMO the AfD and the Social Democrat Party have a shared affinity for Putin, they are to a degree birds of a feather, Germans causing trouble again in Europe. The AfD claims to be both pro Russian and pro U.S. But seems determined to undermine U.S. influence in NATO.

Whereas the left wing Social Democrat Party relies heavily on the pro Russian former East Germans for support. Their goal, if you look at Scholz’s history in politics and political associations is to dissolve NATO entirely. Answers the question why Scholz had to be prodded and publicly embarrassed before he lended assistance to Ukraine.

Look up the history of these Germans and Russians pictured below and their known associations. It’s a who’s who of Russian puppets, fascists, back stabbing criminals and pedophiles.

Most likely reason why we, namely the U.S., is having to support Ukraine now. The Left wing German Socialist Party and the pro Russian AfD spend their days calling each other communists and national socialists just like Germans did in the 30’s before Hitler came to power. But regardless when Germans get together with Putin there will be a war.

This is why NATO is still around, it’s mission as outlined by Hasting Ismay can never change.

https://www.offlinepost.gr/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/3013210_1_articlefancybox_doc5tckq82obtsxvpuo97v.j pg

https://worldbulletin.dunyabulteni.net/images/resize/100/656x400/haberler/news/2014/04/29/putin-schroeder-reuters.jpg


Place obligatory smiley here -> :D

[August]

Ohh, I think they do. :yep:

Its the reason why most of their oldest multi-story buildings date back to the 1950's. :03:


Thank you. It proves my point. We're not a collection of relatively small minded quarrelsome nations with separate languages and cultures who have been at war with each other with hardly a break since Roman times and pretending we are anything like you is going to be wrong every time.

Europeans have been gleefully prognosticating our imminent doom ever since our country was created. You haven't been right yet, not in over two centuries. I don't expect the current speculation will be any more accurate.

[August]

Defining Trumpism: Fascism with an iq of 40 :D

Really? Care to show me where are Trumps Brownshirts? Where are the Jewish pogroms, the Concentration camps, the wars of territiorial expansion, ANYTHING the real facists actually did?

It's a false comparison and you know it.


It also violates the Godwins law you people like to cite. Guess you and Skybird loose right?

[Otto Harkaman]

Really? Care to show me where are Trumps Brownshirts? Where are the Jewish pogroms, the Concentration camps, the wars of territiorial expansion, ANYTHING the real facists actually did?

It's a false comparison and you know it.


It also violates the Godwins law you people like to cite. Guess you and Skybird loose right?


https://images.wsj.net/im-282244/?width=860&height=573


https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/hate-ht-er-220209_1644443913530_hpMain_16x9_1600.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-8qPWvX4AUU5fE?format=jpg&name=900x900


https://media.newyorker.com/photos/626d5ed9f74116a121efd535/3:4/w_2432,h_3243,c_limit/Wright-Ukraine-America'swar.jpg


Oh oops that is Biden Fascism

[Rockstar]

Oh oops that is Biden Fascism


You really should read some George Orwell and the meaning of fascism.

Of all the unanswered questions of our time, perhaps the most important is: ‘What is Fascism?’

One of the social survey organizations in America recently asked this question of a hundred different people, and got answers ranging from ‘pure democracy’ to ‘pure diabolism’. In this country if you ask the average thinking person to define Fascism, he usually answers by pointing to the German and Italian régimes. But this is very unsatisfactory, because even the major Fascist states differ from one another a good deal in structure and ideology.

It is not easy, for instance, to fit Germany and Japan into the same framework, and it is even harder with some of the small states which are describable as Fascist. It is usually assumed, for instance, that Fascism is inherently warlike, that it thrives in an atmosphere of war hysteria and can only solve its economic problems by means of war preparation or foreign conquests. But clearly this is not true of, say, Portugal or the various South American dictatorships. Or again, antisemitism is supposed to be one of the distinguishing marks of Fascism; but some Fascist movements are not antisemitic. Learned controversies, reverberating for years on end in American magazines, have not even been able to determine whether or not Fascism is a form of capitalism. But still, when we apply the term ‘Fascism’ to Germany or Japan or Mussolini’s Italy, we know broadly what we mean. It is in internal politics that this word has lost the last vestige of meaning. For if you examine the press you will find that there is almost no set of people — certainly no political party or organized body of any kind — which has not been denounced as Fascist during the past ten years. Here I am not speaking of the verbal use of the term ‘Fascist’. I am speaking of what I have seen in print. I have seen the words ‘Fascist in sympathy’, or ‘of Fascist tendency’, or just plain ‘Fascist’, applied in all seriousness to the following bodies of people:

Conservatives: All Conservatives, appeasers or anti-appeasers, are held to be subjectively pro-Fascist. British rule in India and the Colonies is held to be indistinguishable from Nazism. Organizations of what one might call a patriotic and traditional type are labelled crypto-Fascist or ‘Fascist-minded’. Examples are the Boy Scouts, the Metropolitan Police, M.I.5, the British Legion. Key phrase: ‘The public schools are breeding-grounds of Fascism’.

Socialists: Defenders of old-style capitalism (example, Sir Ernest Benn) maintain that Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. Some Catholic journalists maintain that Socialists have been the principal collaborators in the Nazi-occupied countries. The same accusation is made from a different angle by the Communist party during its ultra-Left phases. In the period 1930-35 the Daily Worker habitually referred to the Labour Party as the Labour Fascists. This is echoed by other Left extremists such as Anarchists. Some Indian Nationalists consider the British trade unions to be Fascist organizations.

Communists: A considerable school of thought (examples, Rauschning, Peter Drucker, James Burnham, F. A. Voigt) refuses to recognize a difference between the Nazi and Soviet régimes, and holds that all Fascists and Communists are aiming at approximately the same thing and are even to some extent the same people. Leaders in The Times (pre-war) have referred to the U.S.S.R. as a ‘Fascist country’. Again from a different angle this is echoed by Anarchists and Trotskyists.

Trotskyists: Communists charge the Trotskyists proper, i.e. Trotsky’s own organization, with being a crypto-Fascist organization in Nazi pay. This was widely believed on the Left during the Popular Front period. In their ultra-Right phases the Communists tend to apply the same accusation to all factions to the Left of themselves, e.g. Common Wealth or the I.L.P.

Catholics: Outside its own ranks, the Catholic Church is almost universally regarded as pro-Fascist, both objectively and subjectively;

War resisters: Pacifists and others who are anti-war are frequently accused not only of making things easier for the Axis, but of becoming tinged with pro-Fascist feeling.

Supporters of the war: War resisters usually base their case on the claim that British imperialism is worse than Nazism, and tend to apply the term ‘Fascist’ to anyone who wishes for a military victory. The supporters of the People’s Convention came near to claiming that willingness to resist a Nazi invasion was a sign of Fascist sympathies. The Home Guard was denounced as a Fascist organization as soon as it appeared. In addition, the whole of the Left tends to equate militarism with Fascism. Politically conscious private soldiers nearly always refer to their officers as ‘Fascist-minded’ or ‘natural Fascists’. Battle-schools, spit and polish, saluting of officers are all considered conducive to Fascism. Before the war, joining the Territorials was regarded as a sign of Fascist tendencies. Conscription and a professional army are both denounced as Fascist phenomena.

Nationalists: Nationalism is universally regarded as inherently Fascist, but this is held only to apply to such national movements as the speaker happens to disapprove of. Arab nationalism, Polish nationalism, Finnish nationalism, the Indian Congress Party, the Muslim League, Zionism, and the I.R.A. are all described as Fascist but not by the same people.

* * *

It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.”

Isn’t that the truth?

[Otto Harkaman]

just a word of derision not blocked by spell check :up:

[Rockstar]

just a word of derision not blocked by spell check :up:

That about sums it up, especially when it’s used here. ;)

[Rockstar]

Did anyone pay attention to the news as far back as June? Democrats were expecting a wave too, didn’t happen though. Just like Republican one didn’t. But they both got a reaction.

[Otto Harkaman]

we are just muddling along

[Buddahaid]

I think the closeness of the results is that Democrat wave. Usually the incumbant party does worse. What I find most intesesting is how the exit polls show the main Republican voter cause was the economy while the main Democrat voter cause was Roe vs. Wade. If the Republicans had left that alone they would have had their wave.

[Otto Harkaman]

I think the closeness of the results is that Democrat wave. Usually the incumbant party does worse. What I find most intesesting is how the exit polls show the main Republican voter cause was the economy while the main Democrat voter cause was Roe vs. Wade. If the Republicans had left that alone they would have had their wave.

I agree, a good analysis, the justices were apathetic to their sworn assurances that it would not be on their agenda if appointed. I think they were out of touch concerning their party and only thought of their own convictions.

[ET2SN]

I think Joe earned this victory lap. :up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJTilMtrp0o

[Rockstar]

Seats in Congress Gained/Lost by the President's Party in Mid-Term Elections

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/seats-congress-gainedlost-the-presidents-party-mid-term-elections

[Skybird]

I think they were out of touch concerning their party and only thought of their own convictions
What kind of court is that meant to be if it is a party's court....? It should and must be above and beyond party and personal affiliations. It obviously isnt, and herein lies the problem.

A fundamental problem that is. If a president can assign members, how not getting judges personally linked to him? May it be a president, a government, a chancellor. In Germany we should have a constitutional high court that protects the citizens rights from the stste, instead we now have a court that sees its duty to protect state claims from the people. In the US Trump selected judges that he hoped would protect his personal interest, and we see that happening already on occasions.
These damages can only be limited, not prevented: by limiting term duration and just one term.

[Rockstar]

What kind of court is that meant to be if it is a party's court....? It should and must be above and beyond party and personal affiliations. It obviously isnt, and herein lies the problem.

A fundamental problem that is. If a president can assign members, how not getting judges personally linked to him? May it be a president, a government, a chancellor. In Germany we should have a constitutional high court that protects the citizens rights from the stste, instead we now have a court that sees its duty to protect state claims from the people. In the US Trump selected judges that he hoped would protect his personal interest, and we see that happening already on occasions.
These damages can only be limited, not prevented: by limiting term duration and just one term.


A president can only nominate a judge they can’t ‘assign’ them to the bench. It’s the Senate which approves or disapproves a nominee. And not once in the entire history of our country has any party ever filibustered a nominee. In other words both parties of the Senate approved the current bench either by voting for, or doing nothing about it.

IMO it’s media, and political parties which make it seem SCOTUS judges and their decisions are affiliated with a political party. Perusing through 213 pages of opinions and dissenting opinions I can’t find anything which would lead me to believe any judge based their opinion or dissenting opinion on some political party agenda. Rather their decisions were IMO based on their interpretation of law and the case at hand.

If anyone would like to argue that, here’s all of the latest so-called Roe v Wade opinions.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf

[MaDef]

What kind of court is that meant to be if it is a party's court....? It should and must be above and beyond party and personal affiliations. It obviously isnt, and herein lies the problem.

A fundamental problem that is. If a president can assign members, how not getting judges personally linked to him? May it be a president, a government, a chancellor. In Germany we should have a constitutional high court that protects the citizens rights from the stste, instead we now have a court that sees its duty to protect state claims from the people. In the US Trump selected judges that he hoped would protect his personal interest, and we see that happening already on occasions.
These damages can only be limited, not prevented: by limiting term duration and just one term.

You do Understand that the Justices are appointed for life, regardless of who nominates them? And while the President nominates a candidate, it takes a majority vote in the Senate to seat them on the bench. That is why the term "advice and consent" is used in the Constitution when referencing the appointment of Supreme Court Justices.

Supreme Court Justices are appointed for life for the exact reason you wish to limit them to one "term". The Federal Court system is a mess now, if you implement "1 term limits" on the judges, the whole system will fall into chaos and become just another appendage to whichever party is in power.

[Buddahaid]

You do Understand that the Justices are appointed for life, regardless of who nominates them? And while the President nominates a candidate, it takes a majority vote in the Senate to seat them on the bench. That is why the term "advice and consent" is used in the Constitution when referencing the appointment of Supreme Court Justices.

Supreme Court Justices are appointed for life for the exact reason you wish to limit them to one "term". The Federal Court system is a mess now, if you implement "1 term limits" on the judges, the whole system will fall into chaos and become just another appendage to whichever party is in power.

There is still the remote possibility of removing a judge through an impeachment process but that is highly unlikely. I think it's only been tried once and he was aquitted.
https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-chase.htm

[August]

There is still the remote possibility of removing a judge through an impeachment process but that is highly unlikely. I think it's only been tried once and he was aquitted.
https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-chase.htm


I would have thought it highly unlikely that Congress would ever try to impeach a president TWICE but it happened so I'd put nothing past the Democrats.

[Buddahaid]

I would have thought it highly unlikely that Congress would ever try to impeach a president TWICE but it happened so I'd put nothing past the Democrats.

Very unusual but I do think Trump was the only president that earned it.

[August]

Very unusual but I do think Trump was the only president that earned it.

Oh c'mon now.

We've seen Biden do exactly the same thing as Trump did since then in Saudi Arabia when he secretly asked them to hold off on their production cuts until after the election so as to help his parties chances and improve his own political image.

You think he deserves impeachment for that too? If not, why not? Both attempted to cajole a foreign government into influencing an American election, except that Republican Trump gets impeached with secret government insiders offering hearsay testimony whereas Swamp Democrat Biden is not, at least yet.

The second failed "Impeachment" was a joke as well. What's next, the Dems gonna dig up Nixon and impeach him for Watergate? Maybe go after that dastardly Teddy Roosevelt for fomenting a foreign rebellion in order to make himself a hero by building the Panama Canal.

Hey maybe if the Dems keep control of congress they'll try to impeach Trump a third time over those classified documents.

Third time is a charm right? Tell you the truth i'm actually rooting that they'll be successful as I think DeSantis has a far better chance of beating them a couple years from now.

[THE_MASK]

Trump aka notice the rich getting much richer and everyone else getting left behind . Why any worker would vote for Trump is above my comprehension . Maybe you can enlighten me with facts .

[Buddahaid]

Hey maybe if the Dems keep control of congress they'll try to impeach Trump a third time over those classified documents.

Third time is a charm right? Tell you the truth i'm actually rooting that they'll be successful as I think DeSantis has a far better chance of beating them a couple years from now.

Of course, except he's not in office so he can't get impeached like any of the other straw men you are erecting. He will likely be convicted by the DOJ over the documents he has stolen, but fear not, when DeSantis gets elected maybe he'll get pardoned.

[Skybird]

Of course, except he's not in office so he can't get impeached like any of the other straw men you are erecting. He will likely be convicted by the DOJ over the documents he has stolen, but fear not, when DeSantis gets elected maybe he'll get pardoned.
Or DeSantis may be better off to cut this viper's head off once and for all. :O:

[August]

Of course, except he's not in office


Trump was out of office before the second impeachment attempt and that didn't stop you Dems before, why now?

As for a pardon I could hardly care if President DeSantis does that or not. Funny how you, the democrats and our foreign troll contingent keep thinking that there is some hitler-like adoration of Trump rather than just his policies which any Republican can take up without being an obnoxious New Yorker about it.

In any case now that the precedent has been set that the DOJ and FBI can be used against ones political opponents, I hope that once the shoe of political power is on the other foot that fine tradition will continue. Be nice to see some Dems get the midnight SWAT team raid treatment instead of just republicans.

[Buddahaid]

Trump was out of office before the second impeachment attempt and that didn't stop you Dems before, why now?

As for a pardon I could hardly care if President DeSantis does that or not. Funny how you, the democrats and our foreign troll contingent keep thinking that there is some hitler-like adoration of Trump rather than just his policies which any Republican can take up without being an obnoxious New Yorker about it.

In any case now that the precedent has been set that the DOJ and FBI can be used against ones political opponents, I hope that once the shoe of political power is on the other foot that fine tradition will continue. Be nice to see some Dems get the midnight SWAT team raid treatment instead of just republicans.

So much wrong with that.

Trump was impeached on January 13 while he was still in office.

Maybe you never have watched the people who think Trump was sent by God?

NARA asked the DOJ to get involved over the records, not the House.

[mapuc]

This I know for sure

The next Civil War in USA will not, be fought on the battlefields, it will be fought on forum like this one, on Social media or other places on the web.

Markus

[August]

So much wrong with that.

Trump was impeached on January 13 while he was still in office.

Maybe you never have watched the people who think Trump was sent by God?

NARA asked the DOJ to get involved over the records, not the House.


Ah right, accused but not convicted, I guess that makes a difference even if the trial that acquitted him didn't start until February and was by that point like Rand Paul said, "moot".

As for Trump worshipers I personally have never thought of him in that way and none of the other Trump voters that I've ever met or talked to online over the past 5 years see him in that light either. I'm sure you can find a few examples of crazy people hanging onto any set of political coat tails if you look hard enough but it doesn't prove anything except that a hostile press took the time to find and present them as the Trump voter standard.

Lastly If you really believe that Garlands decision to raid Trumps home was done without Biden admin authorization and approval then I got a bridge in the desert you should be looking at.

[August]

This I know for sure

The next Civil War in USA will not, be fought on the battlefields, it will be fought on forum like this one, on Social media or other places on the web.

Markus


Pretty bold statement. How do you know "for sure"?

[Buddahaid]

Lastly If you really believe that Garlands decision to raid Trumps home was done without Biden admin authorization and approval then I got a bridge in the desert you should be looking at.

A fair point but I don't think the DOJ requires executive approval to do it's job.

[MaDef]

A fair point but I don't think the DOJ requires executive approval to do it's job.

Ahh..... but it does, as the DOJ is under the purview of the executive branch (ie: The President), While the president needs approval (from Congress) to "hire" the Attorney General, He can fire or ask for the resignation of the Attorney General at any time.

[Rockstar]

A fair point but I don't think the DOJ requires executive approval to do it's job.

You’re right and when you cut through all the political b.s.. There were no missing documents since NARA was well aware, where and what documents Trump still had in his possession. And after Trump lawyers lost the argument to allow him to keep them in his possession, all NARA asked the DOJ to do was to recover them. That’s it.

[Buddahaid]

Ahh..... but it does, as the DOJ is under the purview of the executive branch (ie: The President), While the president needs approval (from Congress) to "hire" the Attorney General, He can fire or ask for the resignation of the Attorney General at any time.

No, it doesn't. They don't have to ask daddy, or mommy, for permission to do their jobs although the president can step in as you point out.

[Buddahaid]

You’re right and when you cut through all the political b.s.. There were no missing documents since NARA was well aware, where and what documents Trump still had in his possession. And after Trump lawyers lost the argument to allow him to keep them in his possession, all NARA asked the DOJ to do was to recover them. That’s it.

They lost the argument because the documents are not his to keep. He brought all the crap down on his head by not cooperating after repeated requests from NARA to recover them. The spoiled little five year old should have surrendered all the documents and then argued about what he could keep, or retain copies of. If he'd done that we wouldn't be talking about it now and he wouldn't be facing serious charges, but no, he doesn't listen to anyone but himself and he doesn't follow rules.

[em2nought]

By 2024 more party voting Republicans will have passed away while the 16 somethings will be of voting age and likely voting Democrat.

Unfortunately, that is exactly what's going to happen. The greatest generation dying was the democrats wet dream come true.

[Rockstar]

They lost the argument because the documents are not his to keep...

Well no sheet Sherlock. And that determination is not made by me, you or the media. It is made between his lawyers and those of the government. Once they lost the argument the documents were recovered by DOJ. End of story.

The spoiled children? They were the ones which turned a trivial nothing burger administrative matter between lawyers into a three ring media circus. “Trump is hiding secrets”, “Trump is selling secrets”, “Trump had nuke codes”, “Trump is selling nuke codes”, “Trump informants make discovery”, Trumps dog is a Russian spy”. All made worse by the gullible morons of this country that actually believed the media trash. Some couldn’t get enough of it, they thrived on it and believed every bit of it. And instead of steeping back for a moment to ponder if any of it is actually true. They instead have the audacity to blame the subject of the b.s. headlines instead of confronting their gullibility and unnatural obsessions.

[Buddahaid]

It's just the reality of a party that is out of step with a changing world and kept moving farther right from center. Nothing that grows can do so without change. The greatest generation? Those were people with dreams and faults, both good and bad, but came together when it counted and made sacrifices and compromises to do so. The sons and daughters now only fight each other over petty differences for lack of common cause.

[Bubblehead1980]

Just a bit of a schadenfreude as the Red Wave failed to materialize when it should have been a lock given the inept President, high inflation, and other economic woes.

This is what happens when run a roster of terrible candidates...Oz, Walker, Crist, Et al. and take away half the populations rights to be body autonomy. Pollsters dramatically underestimated the impact of overturning Roe, which galvanized many voters to the polls.

[Buddahaid]

Well no sheet Sherlock. And that determination is not made by me, you or the media. It was made between his lawyers and those of the government. Once they lost the argument the documents were recovered by DOJ. End of story.

The spoiled children? They were the ones which turned a trivial nothing burger administrative matter between lawyers into a three ring media circus. “Trump is hiding secrets”, “Trump is selling secrets”, “Trump had nuke codes”, “Trump is selling nuke codes”, “Trump informants made the discovery”. All made worse by the gullible morons of this country that actually believed the media trash. Some couldn’t get enough of it, they thrived on it and believed every bit of it. Then have the audacity to blame the subject of the b.s. headlines because of their own gullibility.

The point is it isn't a trivia burger and I don't believe I ever read any of your "headlines" anywhere. Pretty much anyone but Trump would now be arguing from inside a jail cell. He made the dung pie and now whines because he has to eat it.

[August]

No, it doesn't. They don't have to ask daddy, or mommy, for permission to do their jobs although the president can step in as you point out.


C'mon now, you can't seriously be arguing that Garland or any other Attorney General would have raided the house of a former US President without the knowledge and approval of his boss in the White House.

I think Biden not only knew but pushed for it to happen. Remember he is the guy who came up with the idea of using the Logan Act against Flynn back in 2016. A 230 year old law not used since the 1850's. That's pretty Machiavellian for me to believe he was ignorant of it.

[Buddahaid]

No, I don't, but I think it was a formality and it was Garland, not Biden, pushing it.

[Rockstar]

The point is it isn't a trivia burger and I don't believe I ever read any of your "headlines" anywhere. Pretty much anyone but Trump would now be arguing from inside a jail cell. He made the dung pie and now whines because he has to eat it.

Every media event, committee, accusation and investigation leading up to this event has been nothing burgers, boondoggles, dog and pony shows. It’s all been created and dreamed up in peoples heads by creative writing and tv drama. But not this one huh? Ya got’em now! Holdin’ on tight to that one are ya? You never know though, even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

[u crank]

C'mon now, you can't seriously be arguing that Garland or any other Attorney General would have raided the house of a former US President without the knowledge and approval of his boss in the White House.

Exactly. What an embarrasing moment in US history. The sad thing is no one on the left sees that event as something bad. What's next? The Democrats see nothing wrong with the use of force to further their agenda.

I don't believe for one second that Garland didn't run this by the Chief Executive, his boss. And if he didn't what does that say about him? It was one thing to do that to Roger Stone, but a recent sitting President. It clearly shows that Biden, Garland, the DOJ and the FBI are now the American version of the KGB.

[Buddahaid]

Your words, not mine.

Apparently a new GOP plan to win in 2024 is raising the voting age back to 21 to keep those 16 somethings away from the polls. Too bad it's fixed in the 26th amendment.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-26/

[Rockstar]

Your words, not mine.

Apparently a new GOP plan to win in 2024 is raising the voting age back to 21 to keep those 16 somethings away from the polls. Too bad it's fixed in the 26th amendment.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-26/

This talk of raising the voting age back to the original age of 21 has been going on since it was lowered to 18 in 1971.

As an adult looking back to the time when I was 18 years old, it’s probably not a bad idea to consider as this 2018 opinion points out. :D

https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/27/time-raise-voting-age-back-21/

[u crank]

Apparently a new GOP plan to win in 2024 is raising the voting age back to 21 to keep those 16 somethings away from the polls.

What Republican law maker is saying this? And what chance would a law like this have of clearing the President's desk before the 2024 election?

[Buddahaid]

This talk of raising the voting age back to the original age of 21 has been going on since it was lowered to 18 in 1971.

As an adult looking back to the time when I was 18 years old, it’s probably not a bad idea to consider as this 2018 opinion points out. :D

https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/27/time-raise-voting-age-back-21/

As an adult looking back to the time I was 18, I recall the drive behind it was if you were old enough to be drafted and die in Vietnam, you were old enough to vote for those who sent you there.

[Rockstar]

As an adult looking back to the time I was 18, I recall the drive behind it was if you were old enough to be drafted and die in Vietnam, you were old enough to vote for those who sent you there.

Yes that was the reason, but it doesn’t make 18 year olds any more mature or knowledgeable. Tuff call. Even so, I don’t ever expect it to change no matter what the tv drama and creative writers would have me or you to believe. It’s another nothing burger.

[les green01]

Your words, not mine.

Apparently a new GOP plan to win in 2024 is raising the voting age back to 21 to keep those 16 somethings away from the polls. Too bad it's fixed in the 26th amendment.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-26/

and according to biden and some dems every article of the consitution including the bill of rights can be change revoke or pee away if we don't like it

[Rockstar]

and according to biden and some dems every article of the consitution including the bill of rights can be change revoke or pee away if we don't like it

Riiiight. :roll:

Looks like everyone is serving up nothing burgers today.

[les green01]

“I respect the culture and the tradition and the concerns of lawful gun owners, Biden said from the White House. “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.”

[Dowly]

“I respect the culture and the tradition and the concerns of lawful gun owners, Biden said from the White House. “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.”
He's 100% correct, so what's the problem?

[Rockstar]

“I respect the culture and the tradition and the concerns of lawful gun owners, Biden said from the White House. “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.”

He has a point, most rights do indeed have limits particularly when they collide with the rights of others. You have a constitional right to bear arms. Until you unlawfully brandish it which I think is illegal in all 51 states because it may cause others to become afraid. Then take for instance slavery, it is unlawful for anyone to enslave you. But guess what happens when you are convicted of a crime and sent to prison for brandishing a legally purchased firearm in public disturbing the peace and causing fear and panic? Your constitutional right to freedom just ended with the drop of the judges hammer and you become enslaved.

Read the entire sentence. Biden said he respected the culture, tradition and the concerns of LAWFUL gun owners. (That’s a good thing for any president to say regardless of party affiliation). Then the part where he says “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.” Which is lawyer legalese speak for, don’t break the law because if you do. Not even the second amendment can save you. At least that’s what I got out of it.

[August]

He has a point, most rights do indeed have limits particularly when they collide with the rights of others. You have a constitional right to bear arms. Until you unlawfully brandish it which I think is illegal in all 51 states because it may cause others to become afraid. Then take for instance slavery, it is unlawful for anyone to enslave you. But guess what happens when you are convicted of a crime and sent to prison for brandishing a legally purchased firearm in public disturbing the peace and causing fear and panic? Your constitutional right to freedom just ended with the drop of the judges hammer and you become enslaved.

Read the entire sentence. Biden said he respected the culture, tradition and the concerns of LAWFUL gun owners. (That’s a good thing for any president to say regardless of party affiliation). Then the part where he says “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.” Which is lawyer legalese speak for, don’t break the law because if you do. Not even the second amendment can save you. At least that’s what I got out of it.


What I took from that is Biden thinks constitutionally guaranteed rights can be infringed upon. He's talked repeatedly about gun bans and other infringements. I don't buy at all that he was referring to law breakers.

[mapuc]

I've mentioned it before. According to your 2nd Amendment you are allowed to carry a weapon.

Nowhere in the 2nd Amendment can I read what kind of weapon it has to be. Which for me indicate that it's up to you to decide what kind of weapon you want. On the other hand it also give the government carte blanche to add law to your 2nd Amendment saying Americans are free to carry only 9 mm pistol. Owner of bigger gun has to go through exercise and other things(Here I'm thinking psychological test and other test)

Markus

[Rockstar]

What I took from that is Biden thinks constitutionally guaranteed rights can be infringed upon. He's talked repeatedly about gun bans and other infringements. I don't buy at all that he was referring to law breakers.


When it comes to weapons bans yes we must be wary, IMO when given the opportunity government does tend to overreach in matters, especially emotionally charged ones. Banning a firearm just because it looks a certain way I think is an immature emotional argument. Those same people have no problem handing out medications like candy known to cause violent, homicidal, and suicidal thoughts and behavior to children and adults with access to firearms. That’s OK though because you know science loves you. :roll:

Look on the bright side even the mention of a ban and firearm sales skyrocket, it’s good for business. :up:

I think most current bans of firearms are on foreign imports which is OK in my book, its good for American business :up:

[MaDef]

“I respect the culture and the tradition and the concerns of lawful gun owners, Biden said from the White House. “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.”Until they Amend the Constitution it is an absolute right for me to keep and bear arms.

He's 100% correct, so what's the problem?

Read the following excerpt from Biden to a reporter and see if you can spot the outright falsehoods He is basing his "gun Policy" on. The guy is a liar and an opportunist, not to mention his cognitive issues. I don't want him anywhere near "my Constitutional rights".

Q Sir, do you think there is anything different in how Republicans will approach the gun reform question now, given the circumstances?

THE PRESIDENT: Since I haven’t spoken to them, I don’t know. But my guess is, if they have — if they — yes, I think they’re going to have to take a hard look.

Q Is there one element — is it aid, is it red flag, is it some component that you think could be most successful now?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, that’s hard to say because I have not been negotiating with any of the Republicans yet. And I deliberately did not engage in a debate about that with any Republican in — when we were down consoling the families in Texas. So I don’t — I don’t know what is the most — how far it goes.

I know that it makes no sense to be able to purchase something that can fire up to 300 rounds. I know it makes — and I know what happened when we had rational action before, back in — when the crime bill was — the law that got passed. It did significantly cut down mass murders.

And so there’s only one reason for something that can fire, you know, 100 shots.

I mean — and I’ll just conclude with this: Look, when I first started doing hearings on the issue of what rational gun laws should be, it was during a period when I was a senator and the death rate was going up. Not that many more people were being shot, but the death rate was up. And when I think of — I’m not sure, I think it was (inaudible) hospital in New York — whatever the largest trauma hospital is.

And I sat with a trauma doctor, and I asked him — I said, “What’s the difference? Why are so many people…” — and not that many more people were being shot. This is now 20 years ago, or 25 years. I said, “Why are they dying?” And they showed me x-rays. He said, “A .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out, may be able to get it, and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.”

So the idea of these high-caliber weapons is of — there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of thinking about self-protection, hunting. I mean, I just — and remember, the Constitution, the Second Amendment was never absolute. You couldn’t buy a cannon when the Second Amendment was passed. You couldn’t go out and purchase a lot of weapons.

[Dowly]

I wasn't commenting his gun policy, only replying to what les_green01 said.

[Buddahaid]

Until they Amend the Constitution it is an absolute right for me to keep and bear arms.



Read the following excerpt from Biden to a reporter and see if you can spot the outright falsehoods He is basing his "gun Policy" on. The guy is a liar and an opportunist, not to mention his cognitive issues. I don't want him anywhere near "my Constitutional rights".

Why can't you buy automatic weapons?

Mark Finchem who doesn't know anyone who voted Democrat has lost in Arizona.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/11/mark-finchem-adrian-fontes-arizona-secretary-of-state-race-results-2022-00064765

[Rockstar]

Why can't you buy automatic weapons?

Mark Finchem who doesn't know anyone who voted Democrat has lost in Arizona.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/11/mark-finchem-adrian-fontes-arizona-secretary-of-state-race-results-2022-00064765


I give up, why can’t you buy an automatic weapon?

Last I checked depending on what state you live in it’s still a fairly simple process to legally own one.

[Buddahaid]

The point is there are restrictions.

[August]

I've mentioned it before. According to your 2nd Amendment you are allowed to carry a weapon.

Nowhere in the 2nd Amendment can I read what kind of weapon it has to be. Which for me indicate that it's up to you to decide what kind of weapon you want. On the other hand it also give the government carte blanche to add law to your 2nd Amendment saying Americans are free to carry only 9 mm pistol. Owner of bigger gun has to go through exercise and other things(Here I'm thinking psychological test and other test)

Markus

That's because you think the 2nd amendment grants a right, it does not. It merely recognizes the PRE-EXISTING right with a pledge not to infringe upon it which would be exactly what the government would be doing with it's bans and qualifications and restrictions.

[August]

The point is there are restrictions.


Unconstitutional restrictions.

[Buddahaid]

Unconstitutional restrictions.

The second amendment says nothing about having to be a law abiding citizen. Do you then think it's unconstitutional to prevent convicted felons from owning?

[mapuc]

That's because you think the 2nd amendment grants a right, it does not. It merely recognizes the PRE-EXISTING right with a pledge not to infringe upon it which would be exactly what the government would be doing with it's bans and qualifications and restrictions.

Thank you Dave for enlighten me..Yes you are right I thought it grants you right to bear arms, but not what kind of weapon.

Markus

[Hawk66]

Sometimes I think for some people, carrying weapons or have the right to do so is one of the most important things to consider these days. I thought there are other challenges these days, but maybe I am plain wrong.

I am just asking myself if one cares about all the victims of shotguns in the same way, even if that is not considered in any law or Amendment or whatever.

Sure, there are other ways people get harmed or harm them self, legally.

Maybe the solution is just trying to correct ALL things ALL together, which are harming people - instead of blaming the other side not recognizing their protection of some devil's things ?

[Rockstar]

The guy is a liar and an opportunist, not to mention his cognitive issues

Now this comment is hard to argue against. Consider the largest age group of voters to turn out in 2022 were 18-29 year olds. Imagine if the court had struck down Biden’s unconstitutional and unilateral student loan forgiveness before early voting; before Election Day. Lots of young folks sent in ballots and went to the polls under the guise that their student debt was going to be forgiven.

In addition to liar and opportunist I would add Huckster to the list.

[Rockstar]

The point is there are restrictions.

A purchase process is not a restriction, there are no federal laws preventing any law abiding citizen from purchasing them. Only restriction to prevent purchase or possession is placed on convicted felons.

I forgot besides convicted felons you now have to be at least 21 years of age. Those are restrictions.

[August]

Thank you Dave for enlighten me..Yes you are right I thought it grants you right to bear arms, but not what kind of weapon.

Markus


You're welcome. There are those that would have us believe the federal government grants the rights enumerated in the constitution and that was a big fear among some of the founding fathers when the Bill of Rights was written, that others would take it that way for their own nefarious reasons.

[mapuc]

I have no comment to this. I just said to myself this page has to be posted in our US-politic thread.

Well only this comment-Guess you will disagree with what it says.

https://jonmcnaughton.com/last-supper-of-a-blessed-nation/

Markus

[ET2SN]

^ Where's Albert Einstein? :timeout:

He gets quoted a lot, I figured he had to be a President. :O:

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/g901Karkz7k

[Buddahaid]

Well those lost ballots would be mostly blue from that area. Stolen mail or something else unrelated to voter fraud would be my take.

[les green01]

A misunderstanding by most people of how the laws are structured is what leads to most people thinking that fully automatic weapons are illegal when they are, in fact, perfectly legal so long as you follow all the laws.If you’ve got the time and the money and you want to own a fully automatic weapon, we’ll go over all of the qualifications, restrictions, and processes you need to complete in order to buy and possess one of these weapons.Here are the requirements for owning a machine gun, or an automatic weapon, in the United States:

Must not be classified as a “prohibited person.”
Be at least 21 years of age to purchase a machine gun from the current owner.
Be a legal resident of the United States.
Be legally eligible to purchase a firearm.
Pass a BATFE background check with a typical process time of 8 to 10 months.
Pay a one-time $200 transfer tax. (You’ll need a stamp for each machine gun.)
A “PROHIBITED PERSON” INCLUDES ANYONE WHO:
is a felon.
has been convicted of any crime punishable by more than a year in prison (whether or not they were ever sentenced to or served a day in prison).
is under indictment for any crime punishable by more than a year in prison.
is a fugitive.
is an unlawful user of any controlled substance.
has been adjudicated as a mental defective.
has been committed to a mental institution.
is an illegal alien.
has a dishonorable discharge from the military.
has renounced their U.S. citizenship.
is the subject of a restraining order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or the child of an intimate partner, or who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
It’s also important to note that a prohibited person cannot even be in possession of a firearm, let alone own one, so if someone is a prohibited person, then that’s the end of the story and the attempt at legal machine gun ownership for them.These weapons were initially regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934, then under the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, and again under the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA) of 1986.so let talk about the so call assault rifles and hunting in the state of Missouri Regular firearm deer season semi auto's are allowed you are allowed 10 in the mag one in the pipe no i don't need a 20 round mag that the fun thing like today when i walk out of the woods with the Springfield M1A loading up the 3 deer i killed all the other hunters gather around and checking it pass it around

[les green01]

Well those lost ballots would be mostly blue from that area. Stolen mail or something else unrelated to voter fraud would be my take.

boy seems like that happens a lot i wonder how many wanders out of the cemetery :03: least i know if i go in person my ballet going be there to be counted guess you can't count on the feds:03:

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/kXVbYgSO3rU

[Buddahaid]

The Democratic party retains control of the Senate by winning in Arizona and Nevada. The great red tsunami has proved to be a whirlpool down a drain.

[August]

The Democratic party retains control of the Senate by winning in Arizona and Nevada. The great red tsunami has proved to be a whirlpool down a drain.


Well it washed up enough to likely take the House. Unless of course the fix was in there too. :03:

One thing that might indicate that it is, is that none of the remaining contests favoring the repubs have been updated in a couple of days now. Boberts race in Nevada for example has been at 98.95% counted since thursday. I wonder what happend. Did they take the long weekend off?

[Buddahaid]

Whatever. It was really about what happened on January 6th and Ros vs. Wade more than anything else.

[August]

Whatever. It was really about what happened on January 6th and Ros vs. Wade more than anything else.


Don't know what either of those things have to do with a pause in vote counting but like you said, whatever.

[Buddahaid]

Seriously, with all the focus on the integrity of the vote for the last two years, I doubt anything of serious consequence could have transpired, but that won't stop the spin machines and conspiracy echo chambers from trying to make hay.

[les green01]

Seriously, with all the focus on the integrity of the vote for the last two years, I doubt anything of serious consequence could have transpired, but that won't stop the spin machines and conspiracy echo chambers from trying to make hay.

to be honest i think all the bs on both sides started in the 2k election and both parties are equal into it

[MaDef]

The second amendment says nothing about having to be a law abiding citizen. Do you then think it's unconstitutional to prevent convicted felons from owning?

Only until their court ordered sentence is complete (that includes any fines, probation, and/or parole). at which point they will have completed their punishment.

[MaDef]

Why can't you buy automatic weapons?
I can if I choose to. It is legal to own an automatic weapon in the U.S.

[August]

The second amendment says nothing about having to be a law abiding citizen. Do you then think it's unconstitutional to prevent convicted felons from owning?


No it doesn't but where does the second amendment say that convicted felons CANNOT own firearms?

[Skybird]

BBC writes the democrats are projected to win key vote and keep control of the Senate. Thats the best performance of a sitting president at midterms in 20 years.
Or the worst performance of a challenger since 20 years. :D
An orange-red civil war could now errupt. Get your popcorn ready, the Donald is already salivating.

[Catfish]

I guess Trump does not have much chance against his own former disciple?

[mapuc]

Some of my Danish and Swedish friends-Who support Trump has begun to indicate that there has been cheated in the counting of the votes.

Those of my friends who believe in the WEF conspiracy say it was them who made it so Biden would win. Klaus Schwab is the guilty one.
My response
:nope:

I got blocked by a friend-after I asked-What happened with Russia I say if any country has tried to affect the election it's them the Russians. Klaus Schwab and WEF does not have the strength to do so.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Some of my Danish and Swedish friends-Who support Trump has begun to indicate that there has been cheated in the counting of the votes.

Those of my friends who believe in the WEF conspiracy say it was them who made it so Biden would win. Klaus Schwab is the guilty one.
My response
:nope:

I got blocked by a friend-after I asked-What happened with Russia I say if any country has tried to affect the election it's them the Russians. Klaus Schwab and WEF does not have the strength to do so.

Markus

My take. As I said long ago. Trump, and the estimated 29,000 to 79,000 people who peacefully assembled in protest had every right to do so. However in my opinion it did not make it the right thing to do. All politics should have immediately stopped on December 12th when the electoral college convened and made its decision. I think it would have turned out differently if on that day Trump just waved to the crowd and said: so long and thanks for all the fish, I’ll seen you four years. If he would done that I might have atleast considered voting for him. But as it stands there’s not a snowballs chance in hell. The continuation of politics after December 12th I think bit the Republican/Trump campaign in the arse.

As for the democrat campaign they took to the streets over the protest on account of the illegal behavior of a small percentage of nut cases rioting after the event had ended. I think it wrong for a sitting president to associate and accuse the good people as extremists. Shame on him.

Next the Jackson MS case returning the decision of abortion back to the states. Another thing that may have swayed voters was the false promise of codifying Roe v Wade if democrats are elected. Easier said than done and most likely will never happen. Not because of Republicans blocking the matter but because the constitution gives no power to congress to do such things.

Which leads me to the next false promise made that may have influenced the massive turnout of democrat voters 18-29 olds . Paying off student loan debt, also found to be have been unconstitutional.

Good game everyone go team D go team R.

[Ostfriese]

Which leads me to the next false promise made that may have influenced the massive turnout of democrat voters 18-29 olds . Paying off student loan debt, also found to be have been unconstitutional.



I highly doubt that the entire age group is just focussed on one single issue.

[Rockstar]

I highly doubt that the entire age group is just focussed on one single issue.

Hence my use of the word ‘may’. Feel free to add any other issues which MAY explain the turn out.

[Ostfriese]

Hence my use of the word ‘may’. Feel free to explain the other issues which MAY explain the turn out.


Income inequality, making saving for the future is much harder for them than for previous generations; Houses being unaffordable; finding an appropriate job (which does not result in becoming a wage slave), just to name a few.

Also a feeling of not being represented (and/or not even being taken serious) by the republicans at all, who seem to heavily favor older generations - and men, of course, which might be the reason why women in general and especially unmarried women voted in favor of the democrats with a significant margin (D+37).

[mapuc]

Have you taken a look at some statistic over how the young 18-29 has voted in your Midterm Election.

I tried to find some info-without any luck.

Markus

[Dowly]

Younger generations tend to be more progressive, which goes against Republican policies in ever increasing ways. Simple as that.

[Ostfriese]

Have you taken a look at some statistic over how the young 18-29 has voted in your Midterm Election.

I tried to find some info-without any luck.

Markus




According to CNN, a few days ago:


Age 65+: R+13 (meaning that the republicans got 13 percentage points more than the democrats)
Age 45 - 64: R+11
Age 30 - 44: D+2
Age 18 - 29: D+28

[Rockstar]

Income inequality, making saving for the future is much harder for them than for previous generations; Houses being unaffordable; finding an appropriate job (which does not result in becoming a wage slave), just to name a few.

Also a feeling of not being represented (and/or not even being taken serious) by the republicans at all, who seem to heavily favor older generations - and men, of course, which might be the reason why women in general and especially unmarried women voted in favor of the democrats with a significant margin (D+37).


All well and good. My apologies, initially I was speaking specifically of ‘false promises’ made by a party which may have influenced a certain age group.. And in response to your answer I made a mistake to answer to ‘issues’ rather than what other ‘promises’. So allow me me to rephrase the question. What other promises were made which may have influenced the 18-29 year old age group?

But in response to the ‘issues’ for 18-29 year olds concerning income inequality and not getting enough teet time. It’s a fact of life most all Americans start out at the bottom, and over the years as they acquire experience and skills, they rise up. Which IMO is reflected in the statistical information from CNN. I think it’s safe to say as the children begin to see through the political jargon, and become older, wiser and richer they seem to vote Republican.

[Ostfriese]

All well and good. My apologies, initially I was speaking specifically of ‘false promises’ made by a party which may have influenced a certain age group.. And in response to your answer I made a mistake to answer to ‘issues’ rather than what other ‘promises’. So allow me me to rephrase the question. What other promises were made which may have influenced the 18-29 year old age group?


I don't know, and -quite honestly- like many people I don't think anyone really believes the promises politicians make (unless people are really daft). That age group simply is of the opionion that the democrats are more likely to do something for them, or rather that the republicans are simply more likely to ******* them over (and over).


But in response to the ‘issues’ for 18-29 year olds concerning income inequality and not getting enough teet time. It’s a fact of life most all Americans start out at the bottom, and over the years as they acquire experience and skills, they rise up. Which IMO is reflected in the statistical information from CNN. I think it’s safe to say as the children begin to see through the political jargon, and become older, wiser and richer they seem to vote Republican.


This all implies the Republicans are the wiser choice.
They are not.


And I get the impression that you think that young people have the same opportunities you enjoyed a few decades ago. They don't. Most people start at the bottom, I agree with that, but young people these days are far more likely to remain at the bottom, no matter what they do, no matter how much experience and skills they aquire.

[Buddahaid]

I believe that college tuition prices raised at about double the average inflation rate over the past forty years or so. Things are not equivelent to when my generation paid for an education.

Also, I don't think tuition relief had much of anything to do with the red flush. It was not a campaign promise to be realized after the election, it was already started and then shot down from a few states suing.

[Rockstar]

I don't know, and -quite honestly- like many people I don't think anyone really believes the promises politicians make (unless people are really daft). That age group simply is of the opionion that the democrats are more likely to do something for them, or rather that the republicans are simply more likely to ******* them over (and over).

Then why do politicians make promises they don’t or can’t keep if not to sway voter opinion? How else do people come to the opinion that one party is going to screw them over if don’t they believe the party telling them that?


This all implies the Republicans are the wiser choice.
They are not.

I said the children become wiser as they get richer and older. And I thought the stats YOU provided showed that.


And I get the impression that you think that young people have the same opportunities you enjoyed a few decades ago. They don't. Most people start at the bottom, I agree with that, but young people these days are far more likely to remain at the bottom, no matter what they do, no matter how much experience and skills they aquire.

Political jargon aside the percentage of low income families hasn’t fluctuated more than four or five points up and down since 1964. The middle class they say is shrinking but again getting past the political jargon the reason is that so-called middle class income earners have gotten smaller is their incomes have more than tripled since the eighties placing them in the upper middle class.

Low income/ and to some extent lower middle class wages since the seventies has only risen 12% that is a problem but it has also been offset somewhat by reduced costs of certain goods and services, sans current inflation of course. It could also be remedied by collective bargaining, reduced health care and educations costs. But the opportunity for success still exists some just to get off their lazy arse and work it. The other 85 percent higher wage earners did.

The idea of relying on political parties to raise taxes as the answer so they get a free ride isn’t a solution.

[Rockstar]

I believe that college tuition prices raised at about double the average inflation rate over the past forty years or so. Things are not equivelent to when my generation paid for an education.

Also, I don't think tuition relief had much of anything to do with the red flush. It was not a campaign promise to be realized after the election, it was already started and then shot down from a few states suing.

As for the increase in tuition costs some say costs skyrocketed on account of ‘free money’ flowing from government. And as we all SHOULD know when you flood more currency into the money supply prices go up! It’s not rocket science. Left alone college tutition could have only risen so far before people said enough and institutions would have either been forced to lower costs or at least stabilize them. But instead government gets involved and starts flooding the market with more currency making it easier for colleges to keep jacking up the prices and why not? Government is paying for it! So the rich keep getting richer because you’re so willing to pay their salary with your taxes.

https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-student-loans-rising-tuition-costs-insider-speaks

In 1987 then‐​Secretary of Education William J. Bennett argued that “increases in financial aid in recent years have enabled colleges and universities blithely to raise their tuitions, confident that Federal loan subsidies would help cushion the increase.” The higher education establishment indignantly denied the claim.


If there’s one thing I’ve learned government sometimes loves creating problems so they can fix them.