US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Rockstar]

It sounds like it is very easy to vote in your country. That there are no further control on who's voting an American citizens or some foreigner

Markus




It’s not perfect but controls are tighter than most people have been lead to believe.

Every state is RealID compliant so in order to get a state issue ID card or drivers license one must provide proof of U.S. citizenship, state residency, date of birth and social security number. Only then will a state offer to register you to vote in federal elections. And just recently law was passed that in order to get a job in the U.S. a prospective employee whether they be a citizen or not must go online and basically register with the federal government by providing the same information.

The Save Act would tighten control of voter registration even further by helping states determine ones citizenship, and residency status via the Depart of Homeland Security database. But like I said I think if congress was really concerned about it they should have got an earlier start to get it passed so the bureaucracy had the time to implement it and work out any kinks in the system long before a presidential election.

Media is making it look as Republicans are out to get immigrants by banning them from voting. When in actuality the ban on non citizens voting in federal elections has existed for the last 28 years. The Save Act is imo just fine tuning and expanding the controls already in place.

[Rockstar]

All the illegal alien has to do is believe they were allowed to vote, and then there is no penalty if they illegally vote

https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_in_the_United_ States

Believe it or not there may be people out there that just don’t know voting laws. Just like you cant explain tax laws. :)

As long as it was found there was no intent to commit some kind of fraud then they shouldn’t be punished the same way as those who did.

Personally it isn’t non citizens that cast a vote that concerns me the most. It’s the Karen’s and party fanboy's who are U.S. citizens stuffing ballot boxes.

[mapuc]

The last trial for Biden in today's meet the Press He has to show that He can say a whole sentence and be factual in His answers.

More here in this translated Danish article

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/politik/alle-oejne-paa-biden-kan-vaere-sidste-chance/10297413?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

[Rockstar]

While Democrats get their news watching late night comedy shows and the unelected swamp filled with Karen’s use and abuse a defenseless old man so they can stay in power.

Looks like Europe is preparing for a Trump presidency.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/czech-president-on-ukraines-fight-against-russia-and-natos-future-if-trump-wins


Czech president on Ukraine’s fight against Russia and NATO’s future if Trump wins

Jul 10, 2024 6:35 PM EDT

World leaders have gathered at the NATO Summit in Washington to address pressing international challenges. At the top of the agenda is how to sustain Western support for Ukraine. Few leaders understand Ukrainian challenges and the NATO alliance as deeply as Czech President Petr Pavel who once served as chairman of NATO’s military committee. Geoff Bennett sat down with Pavel to discuss more.
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Geoff Bennett:

It's the second day of the NATO summit in Washington, D.C., where leaders from around the world have gathered to address pressing international challenges. At the top of the agenda is how to sustain Western military support for Ukraine.

And perhaps few leaders understand Ukrainian challenges and the NATO alliance as deeply as Czech President Petr Pavel, a former Czech army chief he previously served as chairman of NATO's Military Committee and rose to the presidency earlier last year.

I spoke with him in Washington earlier today and began by asking him whether he thinks Ukraine can expel Russia from the Ukrainian territories it now occupies.

Petr Pavel, President of the Czech Republic:

This should be not only Ukraine's, but our ultimate goal, that we all understand that the reality on the battlefield is different from our wishes.

It will be unrealistic to expect that Ukraine, with all our assistance, will be able to liberate all the occupied territories in a short time. We should strive for full sovereignty, for full control of internationally recognized borders, but it will most probably take time.

Geoff Bennett:

When you say it will most likely take time, how long should Ukraine expect to have Russia occupy some 20 percent of its country?


Petr Pavel:

I believe, first, we have to stop the war. And at this moment, Russia has no interest in stopping fighting, because they believe they can succeed on battlefield.

And once they realize that there is no chance of getting more ground, they will be only losing manpower and equipment, then the time comes for negotiation. We can provide Ukrainian support that will convince Russia that they cannot get any further success.

And that will move them to an understanding that the only way out of this conflict is at the negotiating table. And, of course, the result of that negotiation will depend on which position fighting countries will find themselves.

And our intent and our interest should be that Ukraine is in the best negotiating position as possible.


Geoff Bennett:

The U.S. and other countries have given Ukraine long-range missiles that allow them to fire on Russian forces in Crimea. Should the U.S. allow Ukraine to use those same weapons to fire deeply into Russia?


Petr Pavel:

Well, there was such an authorization that Ukrainians may target military targets in Russia, not deep, but along Ukrainian border.

I think it's natural because Russia concentrates its forces and ammunition, equipment just behind the border. And they should be allowed to make deep strikes to defend themselves effectively.

Geoff Bennett:

Part of the agenda at this week's NATO Summit is to advance Ukraine's membership into NATO.

Is it realistic to expect that Ukraine could become a member of NATO so long as it's involved in this conflict with Russia?


Petr Pavel:

It's hard to expect that Ukraine would become a full member in a short time before the war ends.

But all the allies stress that the integration of Ukraine into NATO is irreversible process. So it will continue through bilateral cooperations. It will continue through meeting NATO standards. It will continue through reforms on Ukrainian side.

But once this conflict is over, I believe that we should proceed as quickly as possible with full integration.


Geoff Bennett:

Is NATO supporting Ukraine enough, in your view?


Petr Pavel:

NATO is supporting Ukraine increasingly as a coordinating actor.

Ukraine cannot get full guarantee as a NATO member. It cannot be covered by Article 5. Those bilateral arrangements, and the number is growing day by day, give Ukraine a predictable picture of what they can rely on in the case of hostilities or another crisis.

It's a period that will reach this time from today to full membership. I think it is the maximum what we can do today, because raising expectations that Ukraine may become a member of NATO at this summit is obviously unrealistic.


Geoff Bennett:

The Czech Republic is surrounded by Hungary and Slovakia, which, as you well know, are both pro-Putin right now. What does that mean for you, for your leadership, and how do you fend off these populist trends?


Petr Pavel:

We are trying to be as open and as transparent as possible to our public, and not to let ourselves be distracted by their narratives that are quite often misleading.

It's not the case in Hungary and Slovakia. These countries are probably more attracted by Russian narratives, in expectation that some time in the future, they will restore good relations with Russia. It should be in our interest to have good relations with Russia, on the condition that Russia respects international norms and order based on rules.

Until then, it's hard to have any meaningful relationship with Russia because it doesn't keep promises.


Geoff Bennett:

How closely are you following the U.S. election?


Petr Pavel:

Well, with great interest, of course.

The democratic world is always looking for a leader, someone to look at in times of crisis and difficulties. And the United States are naturally leading the democratic world, because it's the most powerful country of this family. It doesn't mean that we should be all dependent on the United States.

I think it's about a true partnership. Europe should be able to provide much more in terms of its own defense and capabilities.


Geoff Bennett:

Why hasn't it been able to?


Petr Pavel:

Because it was comfortable, yes.

After the Cold War, when everyone believed we are now facing times of cooperation and building prosperity, European countries had a tendency to spend less on defense. Unlike U.S., you see a number of challenges around the world which were not so close to Europe.

Decades ago, the share was roughly 50/50 between European allies and the United States. Over time, it turned to 75 percent for the United States and only 25 for Europe. It's not fair. And we should come back to the reasonable share of our responsibility.


Geoff Bennett:

In your view, what would Donald Trump winning back the White House in November mean for the future of the NATO alliance and the security of individual NATO countries?


Petr Pavel:

Well, I believe, with the experience that we had from his term from 2016 to 2020, he had a number of strong expressions.

But, in reality, he pushed the alliance in the right direction.


Geoff Bennett:

In what ways?


Petr Pavel:

We may criticize the way, how he presented the arguments, but the arguments themselves were fair, because what he wanted was the fair share of our responsibility.

A number of countries are now meeting the commitment to spend at least 2 percent of GDP on defense. A number of countries are heavily investing into modernization. So, I think his message came through.

If Donald Trump gets elected again, I don't think it will mean any disaster for Europe or Ukraine, because the United States are aware that they need Europe, the same way as Europe needs the United States.


Geoff Bennett:

Is that a view that is shared among other NATO countries?

Petr Pavel:

I believe so, because a number of countries understand the rationale behind these calls on NATO European allies, because we were truly spending much less than was necessary.

And we all realize that, with Russia being the most urgent and imminent threat to European security, we need, effectively, to do more. So even without any strong calls from the United States, we are doing that in our self-interest.

Geoff Bennett:

Petr Pavel, president of the Czech Republic, thank you so much for your time. We appreciate it.


Petr Pavel:

Thank you.

[em2nought]

Personally it isn’t non citizens that cast a vote that concerns me the most. It’s the Karen’s and party fanboy's who are U.S. citizens stuffing ballot boxes.

I totally agree, but those views are still not to be tolerated, even after the whole "emperor has no clothes" farce they've sold us has now been exposed. :har:

[Rockstar]

I kid you not I feel bad for the guy. I said long ago before he was elected he would go out as a laughing stock and embarrassment.

https://youtu.be/0WGDsrRUsTc

[Skybird]

Question to the Democrats: how dare you nominate such a candidate?

Question to the former Republicans: how dare you nominate such a candidate?

Neither of you have any respect for the American people. You are both driven by greed for "career" only.

You both are disgusting.

[Reece]

Yes!! How dare they!!

[Jimbuna]

Kamala Harris could be part of an all-female ticket to challenge Donald Trump

The week has generated such a blizzard of speculation and controversy in American politics that a small but vital moment of clarity was overlooked. Asked if she would consider running for president if Joe Biden stepped away, Gretchen Whitmer, the no-nonsense Michiganite who has come to represent for many Democrats a dream candidate for the White House, was unequivocal in her response. “No,” she replied with the candour that is part of her appeal.

“It’s a distraction more than anything. I don’t like seeing my name in articles like that because I’m totally focused on governing and campaigning for the ticket,” said the Michigan governor.

The Democratic Party has fallen into a bizarre, public game of fantasy-presidency and Whitmer ruling herself out once has left Kamala Harris, maligned for much of her vice-presidency during the Biden administration, as the most likely – maybe the only – potential saviour of the Democrats’ campaign.

If Biden, his family and campaign managers ultimately listen to the increasingly unsubtle hints from erstwhile friends and allies and take the monumental decision to end his campaign, then Harris may suddenly become the Democrats last and only chance of preventing Donald Trump from returning to the White House. In the meantime, she has found herself in the curious role of campaigning vigorously (it is hardly a coincidence that Harris has, over the past few weeks, taken on the more arduous West Coast rallies) and presenting a steadfast loyalty to her president while the public suddenly sees her through the lens of potential nominee.

The advantages of having Harris inherit the nomination are obvious. She can spend the money raised for the Biden-Harris ticket without legal complications arising. Bypassing Harris in favour of a new candidate would be awkward to explain away: it would be a de-facto admission that she was chosen for vice-president as a Diversity, Equality and Inclusion candidate.

Harris’s 2020 presidential campaign was sufficiently lacklustre for many party strategists to have grave worries about her ability to spar with a political opponent with the venom and elusiveness of Trump. But unpopular as Harris has been throughout her years as VP, her authoritative and passionate defence of reproductive rights has led to a degree of revisionism. And if Harris has failed to register with the public over the term of the Biden administration, how much opportunity has she been given to do so?

As Biden’s public appearances and utterances become frail and unconvincing, Harris has come to appear increasingly engaged, warm and confident on public platforms. This became strikingly clear on the night of Biden’s debate meltdown in Atlanta when, less than half an hour after the show had ended, she made an unscheduled appearance on CNN to defend her president. She spoke well and was loyal throughout what was an impossible defence. But most importantly, she offered a refreshing change of voice, face, tone, message and gender from what 50 million people had just witnessed: two embittered male seniors of whom the US has grown tired, bickering and squabbling in a wearisome exchange of hackneyed perspectives that degenerated into a truly pathetic slinging of insults over their respective golf games.

At 59, Harris belongs to a different generation from Biden and Trump. And, of course, her potential elevation to the top of the Democrat ticket would create a glittering question mark over who would become her running mate. Here is where Whitmer could re-enter the picture. The boldest scenario would see Whitmer (52) emerge as a running mate to Harris. One of Whitmer’s most significant achievements as governor of Michigan was to sign the repeal of the state’s 1931 abortion ban, followed by the Reproductive Health Act, which expanded women’s health-related rights, issues which Harris has come to champion. And Whitmer is an established name and figure in the Rust Belt states, which will define the outcome of the election. Both women are former prosecutors and would, of course, be facing down an opponent who is a convicted felon.

An all-female Democratic ticket would represent a radical departure in American politics. But the airwaves are clogged with voices warning that this summer represents an emergency for US democracy. And that demands a brave response. Several polls show that right now, Harris is tied with Trump in “what if” questions about the presidency, with months left for her to deliver the message that many Democrats and voters fear Biden can no longer do.

There is a scenario still achievable for the Democrats in which Biden passes the torch with grace and facilitates a historic progression in US politics: his last contribution could become his defining one.

The bold presentation of a Harris-Whitmer ticket may not be enough to persuade sufficient numbers of Democratic and undecided voters to send them to the White House. But at the very least, the party wouldbe able to point to the fact that out of this chaotic moment, it responded with integrity and courage and offered a clear alternative to the dismal, fear-laden vision of America offered by Trump.
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/us/2024/07/12/kamala-harris-could-be-part-of-an-all-female-ticket-to-challenge-donald-trump/

[Rockstar]

Question to the Democrats: how dare you nominate such a candidate?

Question to the former Republicans: how dare you nominate such a candidate?

Neither of you have any respect for the American people. You are both driven by greed for "career" only.

You both are disgusting.

We don’t nominate candidates, the likes of Jaime R. Harrison and Michael Whatley do.

EDIT: Not to single any one party out as they both do it. Major Democratic donors (the ones that really hold sway over nominations) are said to be freezing roughly $90 million pledged to the largest super PAC supporting President Biden if he remains on the ticket.

Early on many of us peons saw the writing on the wall before our current president was elected.

What was it that got him elected though? Years of unfounded accusations against the other candidate of course. The gullible and naive were so easily duped to form their opinions based on years of bull**** headlines and late night comedy shows endlessly spewing things like Russia gate, selling secret codes, Steele dossier, pee tapes, collusion, dictator, orange hair, grabbin’ some snatch, horse dewormer etc etc etc. And you fell for every word of it, what else did you form your opinion on if not that crap?

Now we have bureaucrats protecting their positions by abusing an old man so they, the unelected can stay in power, let’s face it Biden isn’t running the show a bunch of faceless bureaucrats whom nobody, democrat, republican or independent voted for are.

I believe that is the swamp August referred too so very long ago.

[Shadowblade]

https://hugelolcdn.com/i/932337.jpg

[Rockstar]

Vice president Trump?

https://youtu.be/lK-vMYVKCjA

[Jimbuna]

NATO summit fury as Joe Biden 'ruins months of hard work' with cringeworthy gaffe

Joe Biden's gaffes at the NATO summit have ruined months of hard work, diplomatic officials have claimed.

The US president had hoped to salvage what remains of his re-election campaign amid mounting calls to stand aside after a poor TV debate against Republican rival Donald Trump in June.

But the leader of the free world stunned his audience at a meeting of the NATO-Ukraine council on Thursday (July 11) by referring to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky as Russian president Vladimir Putin, before correcting himself. At a later news conference, he slipped up again, calling his Vice President, Kamala Harris, "Vice President Trump".

NATO leaders did their best to ignore or sidestep questions about Mr Biden's performance, instead trying to talk up his leadership and the military alliance's unity in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
French President Emmanuel Macron and UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer were asked repeatedly about the Putin gaffe but declined to answer directly.

Mr Macron said: "We can all have a slip of the tongue. It's happened to me. I'm sure it will happen to me again tomorrow, and I'd ask you to be just as kind to me."

While officials defended Mr Biden publicly, diplomatic sources speaking on condition of anonymity have told the Telegraph the gaffes ruined months of hard work and undermined the summit.

Sources told the publication the gaffes will have displaced stories about their successes with the president's gaffes knocking NATO off the front pages. Mr Biden's mistakenly identifying Ukraine's president as Putin also made it to the top of TV news in Russia.

One told the Telegraph: "It's taken the focus away from what has been a great summit for us."

"The Americans had put in months of groundwork into preventing another 'Vilnius moment'," another source told the outlet referring to comments by Zelensky at last year's summit after being refused an invitation.

A possible Trump presidency, Mr Biden's infirmity and how Mr Zelensky would act all hung over the summit. Mr Trump has repeatedly questioned NATO's relevance and suggested he might either withdraw from the alliance or refuse to defend allies who do not meet the grouping's two percent defence spending commitments.

Outgoing NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said he wasn't concerned about the US commitment to the alliance if Mr Trump returns to the White House as it has bipartisan support in Congress and a record number of allies are hitting their military spending goals.

Mr Zelensky embraced the support of allies who have provided new military aid and a path to joining NATO. He pushed for help to arrive faster and for restrictions to be lifted on the use of US weapons to attack military targets inside Russia.

The Ukrainian president said: "If we want to win, if we want to prevail, if we want to save our country and to defend it, we need to lift all the limitations."

Mr Biden said at his news conference he is the "best-qualified person" to make sure the 32-member transatlantic alliance remains strong and Ukraine does not fall to Putin.

He said: "Foreign policy has never been his strong point and he seems to have an affinity to people who are authoritarian. That worries Europe, that worries Poland, and nobody, including the people of Poland, think if (Putin) wins in Ukraine, he's going to stop in Ukraine."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nato-summit-fury-as-joe-biden-ruins-months-of-hard-work-with-cringeworthy-gaffe/ar-BB1pSwoN?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=b3e4cef6e0714b688123dbb2ecb1a997&ei=9

[vienna]

What’s repulsive is how anyone can still support the Democrat Party. A Party that took advantage of & abused an old man with failing mental acuity unable to defend himself for their own personal gain. And now that the Party is finished with the old man is being driven out and his legacy will be that of a laughing stock.

While Democrats get their news watching late night comedy shows and the unelected swamp filled with Karen’s use and abuse a defenseless old man so they can stay in power.

...




Oh, Geez, Camille, stop clutching at your pearls over your sensitivity regarding elder abuse; or is it just you trying to get your money's worth out of that "Sincerity 101" course you took at Trump University... :D :03:




Watching the news about Biden's run for reelection, I wondered if Biden's move isn't just a bit of a 'rope-a-dope' against the GOP; Biden announces he's running, the the Trumpettes push for the GOP to nominate Trump, a very weakened candidate at best, and, once Trump is locked in, Biden and the DEMs find some reason for Biden to drop out and run another DEM in his place; as I said almost anyone can beat Trump in his current condition, and the GOP would be faced with having to replace Trump as a countermeasure only to then face Trump as a 'spoiler' if he decides to 'get even' with the GOP; the GOP should look long and hard at they way they intend to select their nominee in 2024...




The above quote is from a post i made back on 04/25/2023, over a year ago

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2864624&postcount=5633

The current situation plays very much into what I had postulated at that time; Biden will absolutely drop out of the race, but, I believe, not until after the GOP has finished their convention in the next week; at the end of the convention, the GOP will have locked in Trump as their candidate, whoever he picks for VP as a co-candidate, and will have formalized and locked in the GOP Party Platform; the GOP leadership is visibly anxious to have Biden drop out now before the GOP convention starts so they can see who the DEMs will put up as a candidate (and the VP pick) so they can tailor their response while the convention is still running; everything the GOP has been planning and preparing for since 2020 has pivoted on the assumption Trump would be facing Biden in the November Election, but all that is now going out the window; getting 'cast in stone' with their candidate and policy platform and then finding out who their DEM opponent will be will most likely put a huge strain on the GOP; the GOP is already showing signs of the stress they are facing; the GOP has announced they are softening their hardline positions on abortion and same-sex marriage, as well as seeing top GOP leaders and Trump suddenly openly disavowing the Far Right "Project 2025" 'master plan', an open acknowledgement the hardline 'my way or the highway' Far Right stance just isn't going to fly with the voters...


RNC panel approves new Trump-backed platform softening abortion and same-sex marriage language --

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/politics/republican-platform-trump-abortion/index.html


Trump’s Sleazy New Project 2025 Disavowal Scam Blows Up in His Face --

https://newrepublic.com/article/183737/trumps-sleazy-new-project-2025-disavowal-scam-blows-face


So, basically, Trump, and the GOP, don't really know who will be the DEM nominee going into their convention next week and they also don't know what the final DEM platform, with a new candidate, will be formed around and finalized; the "rope-a dope" is on and Trump/GOP are punching out at a candidate who won't be there soon and trying to make election policy in a void...

I personally don't think Harris will be the ultimate DEM candidate; the worst case scenario for the GOP is if the DEMs pick a substantially younger candidate with a broad party backing; the GOP would be left with having to deal with and defend their doddering old sociopath and trying to make him palatable to the majority of the voters; considering Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by 2,868,686 votes and then in 2020 by 7,052,770 votes, the trend doesn't seem to be in Trump's/the GOP's favor; in2016, Trump only got the White House by a combination of Clinton's negligence is shoring up the battleground states and Trump's gaming of the Electoral College; in 2020, the DEMs paid attention to the battleground states and turned out voters in droves to defeat Trump by a margin nearly 2.5 times larger than in 2016 and took the Electoral College in a landslide; Trump is scarcely a more palatable candidate now than he was in 2016/2020, so it looks like a real uphill fight for the GOP...

Imagine if the DEMs put up younger substantially candidate, with the mental acuity to deal with issues and command; will the voters begin to really seriously look at the hot mess that is Trump and ask the GOP "Is he really the best you've got to offer this country?" If the DEMs really do come up with a young, capable candidate, I can pretty much bet that Trump will not be engaging in a second Presidential Debate before the Election...

BTW, I just yesterday saw an excerpt from an upcoming interview with California Governor Gavin Newsom where he emphatically states he does not want the DEM nomination to be President; one of his stated reasons is how invasive the whole campaign process is given the intense scrutiny of candidates by the press, opposing parties, pundits, etc., at the Presidential level; it is rather sad that some candidates who actually might have something to bring to the office in the way of new ideas, methods, and policies are dissuaded from seeking office owing to the onerous trials of campaigning; I am particularly thinking of Republican Paul Ryan who may have been one of the best hopes to save the GOP, if the hardliners hadn't backstabbed him spectacularly; he is someone I probably would have voted for...




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[mapuc]

Here's an another question to my American friends.

Prolog.

It is said that if Biden refuse to step down the Dems has to nominee him as their candidate.

Here's my question:

Have it ever happened that one of your party have chosen an another candidate than the sitting President ?

I'm not talking about President who has become ill or have died during their Presidency-Here they would most likely pick the VP

Markus

[Rockstar]

Here's an another question to my American friends.

Prolog.

It is said that if Biden refuse to step down the Dems has to nominee him as their candidate.

Here's my question:

Have it ever happened that one of your party have chosen an another candidate than the sitting President ?

I'm not talking about President who has become ill or have died during their Presidency-Here they would most likely pick the VP

Markus

Yes, it’s happened before where another was nominated instead of the incumbent. It’s not against the law, people can choose who they want for president.

[Dowly]

Judge Cannon just scheduled her third spanking by the 11th Circuit. :yeah:

[mapuc]

Yes, it’s happened before where another was nominated instead of the incumbent. It’s not against the law, people can choose who they want for president.

Thank you. So it could very well happen again.

Markus

[August]

Have it ever happened that one of your party have chosen an another candidate than the sitting President ?
-

Not that I know of. Lyndon Johnson was replaced by the Dems with Hubert Humphrey but only because LBJ himself refused to run for a second term.

"I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president."

[mapuc]

Not that I know of. Lyndon Johnson was replaced by the Dems with Hubert Humphrey but only because LBJ himself refused to run for a second term.

"I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president."

Rockstar had an another stance on this matter and you a different one-this confused me so I thought- There's google
Here is what I found

It only happened once to an elected president. That was Franklin Pierce, the 14th president, who was elected as a Democrat in 1852. His pro-Southern sentiments and his policy of failing to lead on the divisive issue of slavery badly hurt his standing with the voters.

https://www.npr.org/sections/politicaljunkie/2009/07/a_president_denied_renominatio.html

Markus

[Rockstar]

I had to ask Google the wise and all knowing and ran across an NPR article which said it happened in 1852 to Franklin Pierce when the party nominated James Buchanan.

[August]

Rockstar had an another stance on this matter and you a different one-this confused me so I thought- There's google
Here is what I found



https://www.npr.org/sections/politicaljunkie/2009/07/a_president_denied_renominatio.html

Markus




1852.

[mapuc]

Sorry friends :oops:

I should have done this search before posting my question, well I wasn't thinking in that direction

Markus

[Rockstar]

Sorry friends :oops:

I should have done this search before posting my question, well I wasn't thinking in that direction

Markus

No worries Markus, because you asked a question I got to learn something new.

[mapuc]

Project 2025 kept popping up in my newsfeed

Now I wanna know what all this is about

Project 2025 was created by the Heritage Foundation think-tank and runs for nearly 900 pages.
Led by former Trump administration officials, it calls for the sacking of thousands of civil servants, expanding the power of the president, dismantling the Department of Education, sweeping tax cuts, a ban on pornography, halting sales of the abortion pill, and a whole lot more.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do

And there are even a wiki page on this matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

They even have their own homepage
https://www.project2025.org/

Guess there will be a lot of protest against it.

Markus

[August]

Project 2025 kept popping up in my newsfeed

Now I wanna know what all this is about


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do

And there are even a wiki page on this matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

They even have their own homepage
https://www.project2025.org/

Guess there will be a lot of protest against it.

Markus


Nobody ever heard of this so called project until the Democrats started crying wolf about it. Seems they like find obscure items such as this and blow it all out of proportion. It's like all the white supremacist groups that the Democrats claim are suddenly everywhere underfoot. The way they talk you can't turn around without bumping into them but the reality is hardly anyone had ever even heard of them until the Dems started claiming the nation was awash with them.

[Rockstar]

What I know about Project 2025 is from what you just posted about it and I haven’t even clicked on any of the links.

[Otto Harkaman]

I need to just stop resisting and go with the flow and profit from all this.

Click on the links below to crowd fund my new movie project, starring a digitally young AI David Hasselhoff :shucks:
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIG2.ZKr2jYMm5nYu9fcFb2.e?pid=ImgGn
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### Examples of Influence:

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- **Trump Administration**: Heritage provided numerous policy recommendations and staff for the administration. It influenced key areas like deregulation, judicial appointments, and tax reform, playing a significant role in shaping the administration's conservative agenda.

The Heritage Foundation continues to be a powerful force in shaping Republican policies and strategies, leveraging its extensive research, advocacy, and network to influence the direction of the party and its administrations.

[Bilge_Rat]

Judge Cannon just scheduled her third spanking by the 11th Circuit. :yeah:

It was always a long shot argument. Although there was some legal basis for it, I did not think it would go far, but then Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion on the SCOTUS immunity decision opined that Smith’s appointment may not be legal and a lower court should rule on it. Judge Cannon did.

No doubt the decision will be appealed, but the Court of Appeal will not just dismiss it knowing it has been considered a valid issue by SCOTUS and a reversal of Judge Cannon’s decision will go straight to SCOTUS.

That of course does not mean judge Cannon’s decision will ultimately stand, but even if she is overturned, DOJ will have to start the whole process over, so impossible that there will be a trial before the election.

Note this will also freeze Smith’s Jan. 6 case against Trump since the exact same issue are there, so no trial there before the election either.

[mapuc]

Some reflection on American politics

Trump could be the first to sit for 3 terms if he win in Nov and again in Nov 2028(not in a row though)

Trump is lucky in double meaning-Shot barely missed him, his awaiting trials has to be postponed, if he get elected.

The Dems must be feeling they have lost the race

Markus

[Rockstar]

President Biden has expressed regret for saying during a July 8 call with donors to his campaign that it's "time to put Trump in the bullseye."

"It was a mistake to use the word," Biden told NBC News.


Ya think?

[mapuc]

President Biden has expressed regret for saying during a July 8 call with donors to his campaign that it's "time to put Trump in the bullseye."

"It was a mistake to use the word," Biden told NBC News.


Ya think?

I'm not a psychiatrists, but doesn't these shooters plan their assassin weeks ahead ?
Could also be this shooter felt he was given the go ahead by Biden's words and the shooter hadn't planned on killing Trump before these words.

Markus

[MaDef]

Some reflection on American politics

Trump could be the first to sit for 3 terms if he win in Nov and again in Nov 2028(not in a row though)

Trump is lucky in double meaning-Shot barely missed him, his awaiting trials has to be postponed, if he get elected.

The Dems must be feeling they have lost the race

Markus Nope, He is barred by the 22nd amendment.

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

[Shadowblade]

President Biden has expressed regret for saying during a July 8 call with donors to his campaign that it's "time to put Trump in the bullseye."

"It was a mistake to use the word," Biden told NBC News.


Ya think?


yeah, what could go wrong? :roll:

[mapuc]

Nope, He is barred by the 22nd amendment.

I know-However Trump have been sitting 1 term as President from 2017 to 2021 and if he wins the next two election he have been President for 3 terms

Now I wonder-Can a candidate only sit for two terms even if there's years between these ?

Markus

[MaDef]

However we have had a politician who was both ,"Vice President" & "President", without being elected to either office. :03:

[MaDef]

I know-However Trump have been sitting 1 term as President from 2017 to 2021 and if he wins the next two election he have been President for 3 terms

Markus

You don't understand, he is Barred by law from seeking reelection in 2028.
The only way he could is to repeal the 22nd Amendment, and that ain't gonna happen. Nor should it.

[mapuc]

You don't understand, he is Barred by law from seeking reelection in 2028.
The only way he could is to repeal the 22nd Amendment, and that ain't gonna happen. Nor should it.

I read the 22nd Amendment a few times and that's why I added extra to my post

"Now I wonder-Can a candidate only sit for two terms even if there's years between these ? "

Markus

[MaDef]

I read the 22nd Amendment a few times and that's why I added extra to my post

"Now I wonder-Can a candidate only sit for two terms even if there's years between these ? "

Markus That's exactly what that means. a person can be president for 4,8 or 9 years no more.

Case in point, if Harris were to be president now, before Biden's term ended she could be elected twice more for a total of 9 years. Had she taken over his term last year, she could only be reelected once more.

[mapuc]

That's exactly what that means. a person can be president for 4,8 or 9 years no more.

Case in point, if Harris were to be president now, before Biden's term ended she could be elected twice more for a total of 9 years. Had she taken over his term last year, she could only be reelected once more.

Thank you Today I learn more about American politics.

Markus

[MaDef]

Glad I could make it clear as mud for you. :D
BTW: Gerald Ford is the only politician to hold the office of both Vice President & President without being elected to either office. :03:

[August]

I read the 22nd Amendment a few times and that's why I added extra to my post

"Now I wonder-Can a candidate only sit for two terms even if there's years between these ? "

Markus


Note that the amendments language doen't mention any breaks between terms of office.

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice".

If Trump wins in November he'll have been elected twice and therefore not able to run for a third term in 2028 or afterwards.

[Ostfriese]

You don't understand, he is Barred by law from seeking reelection in 2028.
The only way he could is to repeal the 22nd Amendment, and that ain't gonna happen. Nor should it.


Changing an Amendment to the constitution would require a two thirds majority in both houses, right?

By the way, Trump's designated VP candidate has some strange views on things:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSjccryWMAANKv_?format=jpg&name=medium

[em2nought]

Note that the amendments language doen't mention any breaks between terms of office.

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice".

If Trump wins in November he'll have been elected twice and therefore not able to run for a third term in 2028 or afterwards.

If President Trump wins, the democrats may indeed have to claim that they actually stuffed the ballot boxes in 2020 therefore President Trump has in fact already won twice so by their sacred lawfare he can't be the 2024 winner. :har:

[Otto Harkaman]

Once upon a time, in the bustling heart of Washington D.C., whispers of a secretive initiative called "Project 2025" filled the air. It was said to be the brainchild of none other than Donald J. Trump, former President and ever-controversial figure, who had somehow returned to the political scene with more vigor than ever.

According to the rumor mill, Project 2025 was a grand, enigmatic plan that Trump had meticulously crafted during his years out of office. The Democrats, fueled by their most imaginative conspiracy theories, were convinced that it was a scheme of epic proportions. Their theories ranged from the plausible to the downright fantastical.

In a dimly lit room, deep within the labyrinthine halls of a nondescript government building, a group of top Democratic strategists had gathered. They were there to discuss the most recent intelligence on Project 2025. The atmosphere was tense, with a sense of urgency that was almost palpable.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIG1.guat6HmRsGiFggeUewt6?pid=ImgGn
Nancy Pelosi, looking particularly stern, addressed the group. "We have reliable information that Project 2025 is not just about a political comeback. It's something much bigger. Trump's plan involves... time travel."

The room fell silent. Eyes widened in disbelief, and a few muffled chuckles could be heard. Pelosi, however, was serious. "According to our sources, Trump has allegedly acquired a device that allows him to travel back in time. His goal? To rewrite history in his favor, ensuring that he remains in power indefinitely."

Adam Schiff leaned in, his face a mask of concern. "But how could he have possibly obtained such a device? This sounds like something out of a science fiction movie."

Pelosi nodded. "Indeed, but consider the evidence. Strange occurrences have been reported at Mar-a-Lago, and there have been sightings of individuals who look remarkably like Trump in different eras. This is no coincidence."

As the strategists brainstormed ways to counter this unprecedented threat, Trump was busy at his Florida estate, Mar-a-Lago. The mansion had been transformed into a high-tech command center, complete with a secret underground laboratory. There, a brilliant but eccentric scientist named Dr. Tempus worked tirelessly on the time travel device.

Trump, wearing his signature red tie and an uncharacteristically futuristic-looking pair of goggles, paced back and forth. "Doc, we need to make sure this thing is foolproof. I can't afford any slip-ups. We have to go back to 2016 and ensure my victory is even more tremendous."

Dr. Tempus, adjusting a complex array of dials and buttons, nodded. "Mr. Trump, the device is almost ready. Just a few more calibrations, and you'll be able to travel through time with pinpoint accuracy."

Meanwhile, the Democrats had devised a counter-plan. They enlisted the help of a brilliant hacker known only as "The Blue Phantom." This elusive figure had a knack for infiltrating even the most secure systems. The plan was simple: hack into Trump's time machine and sabotage it from within.

In a dramatic midnight operation, The Blue Phantom successfully breached Mar-a-Lago's security and accessed the time machine's control panel. With swift, precise keystrokes, the hacker planted a virus that would redirect Trump's time travels to completely random periods in history.

The next morning, Trump, unaware of the sabotage, eagerly activated the device. A brilliant flash of light enveloped him, and he disappeared, leaving behind a bewildered Dr. Tempus.

Trump found himself in ancient Rome, standing in the middle of the Colosseum. Gladiators and spectators alike stared at the strange man with the orange hair and outlandish attire. Trump, undeterred, began to deliver a speech about making Rome great again, much to the confusion of the onlookers.

Back in the present, the Democrats celebrated their victory. Project 2025 had been thwarted, and Trump was now lost in time, hopping from one era to another, spreading his unique brand of politics wherever he went.

In the end, Project 2025 became a legend, a story of time travel, political intrigue, and the indomitable spirit of a man who refused to fade into obscurity. As for Trump, his adventures through history became the stuff of myth, a testament to the unpredictable and often hilarious twists of fate.

[Rockstar]

Changing an Amendment to the constitution would require a two thirds majority in both houses, right?

Wrong, there’s much more to it than that.

By the way, Trump's designated VP candidate has some strange views on things:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSjccryWMAANKv_?format=jpg&name=medium


What’s so strange about it? Directors and political appointees work at the pleasure of the POTUS. As for employees they have certain protections.

However the response by Schumer—who has been in Congress since 1980, and in the Senate leadership for ten years, and presumably knows his way around Washington—should send a chill through the heart of every American:

Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. So, even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he’s being really dumb to do this.

Some may argue that Trump is not serving his country well by not giving more respect to the intelligence community. But whether or not that is true, if it’s really the case that dissing the intelligence community might result in retaliation by that community against a politician, then the lines of power in our political system have become dangerously distorted.

If a bunch of unelected faceless bureaucrats employed in the executive branch of government don’t work for the chief executive officer then who do they work for? I sure as hell didn’t vote for them, nobody did.

IMO it would not be a bad idea for any president to clean house from time to time and get rid of the mid to high level professional bureaucrats to prevent them from getting to comfortable and letting power go to their heads.

People vote a for a presidential candidate based on campaign promises and policies they will bring into office. A president needs to have people who will work with the president and the policies that got him elected. Not the other way around.

[Jimbuna]

Note that the amendments language doen't mention any breaks between terms of office.

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice".

If Trump wins in November he'll have been elected twice and therefore not able to run for a third term in 2028 or afterwards.

That is my understanding :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Kamala Harris congratulates JD Vance on being Trump’s running mate – and challenges him to debate

Kamala Harris has called Donald Trump's new running mate JD Vance to congratulate him on being selected and to challenge him to a debate this summer.

A Biden campaign official said on Monday that the vice president left Vance a voicemail message, expressing "her hope that the two can meet in the vice presidential debate proposed by CBS News."

Vance, a freshman senator from Ohio best known for his best-selling 2016 memoir Hillbilly Elegy, was chosen on Monday to be Donald Trump's vice president if he wins back the White House this November.

The Biden and Trump campaigns have each accepted rival invitations for a running mates' debate – one from Fox News, one from CBS – but neither campaign has yet accepted both.
"Vice President Harris is prepared to debate JD Vance," said Biden campaign spokesperson TJ Ducklo in a call with reporters on Monday afternoon. "We have accepted the proposal from CBS News."

Harris appears to have said little in public about Vance before this point. But in an interview with Politico last month, she said that Trump wanted "an enabler" for his running mate.

"He doesn’t want a governing partner. He doesn’t want another Mike Pence, and I think that is clear," she said. "The litmus test is, are they going to be absolutely loyal to Trump over country or their oath of office, or, frankly, the American people?”

Given a list of potential Trump picks for vice president, she said: "Everyone on that list has supported a Trump abortion ban in their state or has called for a national ban. In fact, many voted this week in the Senate against the right to contraception. That’s how far down the road they are."

Vance, on the other hand, has criticized Harris in starkly personal terms, calling her a member of the "childless Left" that he claimed is damaging the nation.

Although Harris is a stepmother to her husband Doug Emhoff's two children from his previous marriage, Vance singled her out for not having her own kids – along with transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg, New Jersey senator Cory Booker and New York congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

"Why is this just a normal fact of… life for the leaders of our country to be people who don’t have a personal and direct stake in it via their own offspring?" Vance said in 2021.

He also claimed that all children should get a vote but that said vote should be controlled by their parents until they grow up, giving them unequal democratic representation over non-parents.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/kamala-harris-congratulates-jd-vance-on-being-trump-s-running-mate-and-challenges-him-to-debate/ar-BB1q2I3o?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=1513b52cc7564154b0e3de9085c04968&ei=17

[MaDef]

Changing an Amendment to the constitution would require a two thirds majority in both houses, right?

By the way, Trump's designated VP candidate has some strange views on things:

An amendment (added or changed) can be proposed by a 2/3rds vote in each house of congress (66 Senators + 290 Congressmen) or 2/3rds of the states (33 states). For the amendment to change or become codified it must then be ratified by 3/4 of the states (37 states) Legislatures or 3/4 of State conventions (these are the political delegates from both parties)called for that purpose.
So changing the constitution isn't quite as easy as overriding a Presidential veto. :03:

While J.D Vance wouldn't have been my first choice I think he's the right man for the job at this point in time, He's young, and while he doesn't always agree with Trump their long term goals seem to mesh. Depending on his performance As VP, He could be a viable candidate for 2028.

[MaDef]

He also claimed that all children should get a vote but that said vote should be controlled by their parents until they grow up, giving them unequal democratic representation over non-parents.You do know this was a tongue in cheek answer to being asked if he supported lowering the voting age to 16 don't you?

[Jimbuna]

By the way, Trump's designated VP candidate has some strange views on things:




You may well be right.

Labour rejects JD Vance ‘first Islamist country with nuclear weapons’ remarks

Senior Labour figures have rejected comments by Donald Trump’s vice-presidential pick, JD Vance, that the UK could become the first “truly Islamist country that will get a nuclear weapon” under the party.
They were reacting to comments that were made by Vance, a junior senator for the state of Ohio who has been announced as Trump’s running mate, at a conference for US conservatives.
Angela Rayner, the deputy prime minister, told ITV that Vance had said “quite a lot of fruity things in the past” and she looked forward to meeting him and Trump if they won the US election in November.
“I don’t recognise that characterisation. I’m very proud of the election success that Labour had recently,” she said. “We won votes across all different communities, across the whole of the country, and we’re interested in governing on behalf of Britain and also working with our international allies.”
The jibe is likely to be embarrassing for the UK’s foreign secretary, David Lammy, who has attempted to build bridges with Vance in recent months, comparing their impoverished childhoods.
Vance was speaking at the National Conservatism conference last week, where he said: “I have to beat up on the UK – just one additional thing. I was talking with a friend recently and we were talking about, you know, one of the big dangers in the world, of course, is nuclear proliferation, though, of course, the Biden administration doesn’t care about it.
“And I was talking about, you know, what is the first truly Islamist country that will get a nuclear weapon, and we were like, maybe it’s Iran, you know, maybe Pakistan already kind of counts, and then we sort of finally decided maybe it’s actually the UK, since Labour just took over.”
The Treasury minister James Murray said: “I don’t know what he was driving at in that comment, to be honest. I mean, in Britain, we’re very proud of our diversity.”
Labour also found an unlikely ally in the form of Andrew Bowie, the shadow veterans minister, who said he “absolutely” disagreed with the claim that Labour would create an “Islamist country”. “I disagree with the Labour party fundamentally on many issues, but I do not agree with that view, quite frankly. I think it’s actually quite offensive, frankly, to my colleagues in the Labour party,” he told Times Radio.
Lammy described Vance as a friend in a short speech he gave at the Hudson Institute in May when he was in opposition.
The two also shared a panel in February at the Munich security conference, where Vance referred to Lammy as “my English friend” and, in the context of Trumpian pressure for European allies to increase their contributions to Nato, said: “England has been one of the few exceptions where it has fielded a very capable military over the last generation.”
During his time as a backbench MP, Lammy had often been highly critical of the former US president. “Trump is not only a woman-hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath,” he wrote at the time. “He is also a profound threat to the international order that has been the foundation of western progress for so long.”
He has since suggested the US and UK must find ways to work together under a potential return to the presidency for Trump, saying of his past remarks: “You’re going to struggle to find any politician in the western world who hasn’t had things to say in response to Donald Trump.”
Vance was announced as Trump’s choice for vice-president on Monday night, days after the former president narrowly escaped an assassination attempt at a campaign rally. He was previously a harsh critic of Trump and condemned his Islamophobic rhetoric.
“Trump makes people I care about afraid. Immigrants, Muslims, etc. Because of this I find him reprehensible. God wants better of us,” he wrote in October 2016.
But Vance has become one of the most prominent young Conservatives on the New Right who are now big backers of Trump, having gained Trump’s endorsement for his senate run in Ohio. He is a fierce critic of Washington’s support for Ukraine against the Russian invasion and his appointment is likely to be met with apprehension in Brussels.
Vance played an important role in a failed attempt to block a bill for more Ukrainian aid this year in the Senate. He said in a speech at the time that he did not believe the extent of the threat the Russian president posed to Europe.
“For three years, the Europeans have told us that Vladimir Putin is an existential threat to Europe. And for three years, they have failed to respond as if that were actually true,” Vance said. “Donald Trump famously told European nations they have to spend more on their own defence. He was chastised by members of this chamber for having the audacity to suggest that Germany should step up and pay for its own defence.”

[Ostfriese]

An amendment (added or changed) can be proposed by a 2/3rds vote in each house of congress (66 Senators + 290 Congressmen) or 2/3rds of the states (33 states). For the amendment to change or become codified it must then be ratified by 3/4 of the states (37 states) Legislatures or 3/4 of State conventions (these are the political delegates from both parties)called for that purpose.
So changing the constitution isn't quite as easy as overriding a Presidential veto. :03:


Now that's useful information, thank you. :)

[Torvald Von Mansee]

President Biden has expressed regret for saying during a July 8 call with donors to his campaign that it's "time to put Trump in the bullseye."

"It was a mistake to use the word," Biden told NBC News.


Ya think?

Metaphor completely sails over your head. It doesn't even clip your ear.

[mapuc]

The explanation Biden gave in his interview on using the word Bullseye is almost the same I got when I read and heard about it first time. That the word shouldn't be taken litterally and should be taken as a transferred meaning

Markus

[Rockstar]

Metaphor completely sails over your head. It doesn't even clip your ear.

Sailed over my head huh, are you sure about that?

Thing is, I never asked him to apologize. In fact it was during and interview on NBC with Lester Holtz that Biden himself, in his own words, utter from his own lips said it was a mistake to say it. I just happen to agree with him, while others ramble on about metaphors and clipping ears

[vienna]

However we have had a politician who was both ,"Vice President" & "President", without being elected to either office. :03:

That would be Jerry Ford who, in the fallout of the whole Nixon Wategate disaster, became the appointed Vice-President under Nixon after Tricky Dicky threw his elected VP Spiro Agnew under the bus in frantic effort to deflect attention from Nixon's own criminality; Ford then became President, becoming the first unelected President in US history...

...but, wait, there's more! Once Ford became President, the office of VP had to be filled and, again, an appointment was made and Nelson Rockefeller occupied the VP office until Ford was booted out when he his own election bid failed in 1976; therefore, from December of 1974 to January of 1977, the two highest offices in the US, President and Vice-President, were held not by persons elected to offices, but by persons appointed to the offices; note should be taken that the appointments were based on political party expedience, not on any particular merit or suitability...



<O>

[vienna]

Re: Project 2025...

P2025 is really nothing new; the basic substance of the "project" has been around for decades and has had several iterations; the Far Right Conservative factions have trotted out the same subjects and their "solutions", in various guises, and under various names/titles; there is really nothing new about P2025 other than the Far Right have gussied it up in shiny, new packaging, sort of like when a laundry detergent re-markets itself as "New & Improved" -- the label is different, but the product is still basically the same; the Far Right wants the voters to believe it's a package of new ideas, but it really is just a regurgitation of old complaints and political bed sores...



<O>

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/3IR7Mm-awGQ

[Rockstar]

Re: Project 2025...

P2025 is really nothing new; the basic substance of the "project" has been around for decades and has had several iterations; the Far Right Conservative factions have trotted out the same subjects and their "solutions", in various guises, and under various names/titles; there is really nothing new about P2025 other than the Far Right have gussied it up in shiny, new packaging, sort of like when a laundry detergent re-markets itself as "New & Improved" -- the label is different, but the product is still basically the same; the Far Right wants the voters to believe it's a package of new ideas, but it really is just a regurgitation of old complaints and political bed sores...



<O>

What in your opinion does “far right conservative faction” mean?

It’s been my understanding right wing politics advocates for free enterprise, individual liberty and private ownership. Conservatism is a political ideology that prefers traditional values. Now what defines traditional is I admit debatable. Because how far do we one go back in time to determine what is traditional?

I also understand what classical liberalism is. Which contrary to popular belief, Democrats are not. These days Democrats are on the opposite end of the spectrum to classical liberalism (right wing politics). Democrats and their ilk are more akin to what Mussolini described in The Doctrine of Facism as, well to put it simply, fascist.

The Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a
historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people.

You know, like when a leader (quoted above video) and his faithful minions demonize half the population of a country as a threat to the very soul of the state. And while you’re at it don’t forget to take the state mandated vaccine. Because as all good fascists know individual freedom is a
threat to the security of the socialist/corporate/fascist state.

Don’t worry, if you don’t agree me I wont expect you to clip your ears.

Do notice Hung Cao didn’t vote Democrat and he actually
has a reason other than the fascist state ideology of ‘get trump’

https://youtu.be/t7ptqG_1ijw

[mapuc]

Biden has changed his mind....a bit

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/biden-says-only-one-factor-can-convince-him-to-step-down-here-is-the-reason/articleshow/111814616.cms?from=mdr

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Biden has changed his mind....a bit

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/biden-says-only-one-factor-can-convince-him-to-step-down-here-is-the-reason/articleshow/111814616.cms?from=mdr

Markus


...and here's the next step

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/president-joe-biden-tests-positive-covid-19-rcna162435

President Joe Biden tested positive for Covid-19 on Wednesday while in Las Vegas for a series of events, the White House said.

In a statement, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Biden tested positive “following his first event in Las Vegas.”

“He is vaccinated and boosted and he is experiencing mild symptoms,” Jean-Pierre said. “He will be returning to Delaware where he will self-isolate and will continue to carry out all of his duties fully during that time. The White House will provide regular updates on the President’s status as he continues to carry out the full duties of the office while in isolation.”

Biden was already scheduled to head to Delaware after his trip to Las Vegas.

Biden was tested after experiencing upper respiratory symptoms, according to a statement by Biden’s doctor released by the White House. Dr. Kevin O’Connor is the president’s physician, though the White House did not attribute the statement to him by name.

[MaDef]

That's one way to keep him out of the public eye for a bit. The question is, how long can they do that and still insist he's cogent and healthy enough continue running for another term.:03:

[1Patriotofmany]

That's one way to keep him out of the public eye for a bit. The question is, how long can they do that and still insist he's cogent and healthy enough continue running for another term.:03: He hid in the basement the first time. Anybody here really think he's running the country?

[Jimbuna]

Harris and Vance to clash in pivotal vice-presidential debate

Kamala Harris agreed to a debate of US vice-presidential candidates with Senator J.D. Vance, reported Reuters and Spectrum News, citing representatives of Biden and Harris's election campaign. The debate is set to take place on 23 July, 12 August, or 13 August.

As reported by Reuters and Spectrum News, Harris accepted CBS's invitation to a vice-presidential debate in May, when it was still unknown who Donald Trump would choose as his running mate in the election.

At that time, she agreed to the proposed dates of 23 July and 13 August. The additional date of 12 August has been added, but the candidates have not yet finalised the details.

Harris's rival, Senator J.D. Vance, announced Tuesday that he would like to face the vice president in a debate. Harris and Vance were also supposed to converse on this topic on Tuesday, but specifics were not discussed.

On Wednesday, Vance appeared at the Republican convention in Milwaukee and formally accept the party's nomination for vice president.

A survey released on Tuesday by Ipsos and Reuters shows that nearly half of Americans have never heard of the senator from Ohio. Among those who know him, negative opinions (30%) outweigh positive ones (24%).

Since Vance was selected as the candidate on Monday, Biden and Harris's campaign has focused its efforts on portraying him as a political extremist, pointing to his statements about deciding to overturn the 2020 election results and support for a nationwide abortion ban.
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/harris-and-vance-to-clash-in-pivotal-vice-presidential-debate/ar-BB1qbPOp?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[Rockstar]

That's one way to keep him out of the public eye for a bit. The question is, how long can they do that and still insist he's cogent and healthy enough continue running for another term.:03:

Lately even the congressmen and senators who were riding’ with Biden to the end are now calling for him to drop out of the race.

[em2nought]

That RNC convention venue creeps me out. Makes me think of "The Dead Zone" every single time I see it. :o

I'm worried! Would we really just suck it up and take it?

[Rockstar]

The Biden administration will “attempt” to forgive $1.3B in student debt as a pre-election means to try and buy votes with empty promises that the courts hopefully will knock down, again. Don’t be fooled, no student loan is really forgiven, the burden of debt is just transferred to the tax payer.

Biden administration cancels another $1.2B in student debt

Jacob Knutson

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/biden-cancels-student-debt-pslf-program

The Biden administration will forgive $1.2 billion in student debt for another 35,000 public service workers, the Department of Education announced on Thursday.

Why it matters: The Biden administration's latest round of debt relief brings the total loan forgiveness it has approved to $168.5 billion for 4.76 million borrowers.
How it works: The Education Department said that the relief was made possible via its work to overhaul the Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) program.

PSLF allows public employees, such as teachers, firefighters, members of law enforcement, and people who work for nonprofit organizations, to apply for forgiveness after making 10 years' worth of payments on their federal student loan balance.
By the numbers: To date, the Biden administration has forgiven $69.2 billion in outstanding loan balances belonging to 946,000 borrowers through PSLF.

Before President Biden was elected, the Education Department said only about 7,000 public servants had received debt relief through PSLF since the program's inception in 2007.
What they're saying: Thursday's announcement "marks another win for this administration's relentless and unapologetic work to fix a broken student loan system," Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona said in a statement.

"The additional Americans approved for PSLF today are hardworking public servants who will finally receive the financial breathing room they were promised," Cardona said.

[mapuc]

Those words
PSLF allows public employees, such as teachers, firefighters, members of law enforcement, and people who work for nonprofit organizations, to apply for forgiveness after making 10 years' worth of payments on their federal student loan balance

Tells me that it is only those who have been paying monthly who can apply for forgiveness.
Others who haven't will not be able to ask for forgiveness.

Markus

[mapuc]

Reason for editing.
The comment I quoted from has been removed.

Markus

[August]

Thursday's announcement "marks another win for this administration's relentless and unapologetic work to fix a broken student loan system," Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona said in a statement.


How exactly does transferring student loan debt from rich college educated people to those who couldn't go to college or have already paid off their college loans help fix a broken student loan system?

[Onkel Neal]

Seriously, do I get a refund for the student debt I paid off, lkike I was supposed to? Democrat rip off.

Meanwhile, the Dems are creeping closer to retiring old Joe...


Several people close to President Biden said on Thursday that they believe he has begun to accept the idea that he may not be able to win in November and may have to drop out of the race, bowing to the growing demands of many anxious members of his party.

One of the people close to him warned that the president had not yet made up his mind to leave the race after three weeks of insisting that almost nothing would drive him out. But another said that “reality is setting in,” and that it would not be a surprise if Mr. Biden made an announcement soon endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris as his replacement.

This account is based on interviews with four people close to the president, all of whom described the situation as extremely delicate and spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid offending the president. Mr. Biden remained in isolation at his vacation home in Rehoboth Beach, Del., after being diagnosed with Covid on Wednesday.

Yeah, not a surprise, imagine that. :haha:

[Reece]

I just stumbled over this and had to post it!! :yep:

https://laprogressive.com/.image/t_share/MTg2ODY3MjM0MDI0MjA0MTc2/bruce-plante-cartoon-trump-and-the-baby-gate.jpg

[mapuc]

The phenomenon - Trump

Whether you like him or can't stand his guts, you have to admit that he is very special, for better or worse. I'll say he's a unikum

He is a person who is either very much hated or very much loved.

Can't remember seeing this behaviour among the American voters before.

This comment isn't a sign of worshipping your maybe coming President.

It's just that Trump is not of this political sphere

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Key points from Donald Trump's 93-minute speech

Speaking as the raucous four-day Republican National Convention drew to a close, the former president discussed a range of topics in front of a rapt audience.

It came as his rival President Biden faces mounting pressure to step aside amid concerns over his age.

Here are some of the key points from the Republican Party nominee's speech.

Trump on the attempt on his life

"If I had not moved my head at that very last instant, the assassin's bullet would have perfectly hit its mark," Mr Trump said.

"And I would not be here tonight. We would not be together."
He added: "There was blood pouring everywhere, and yet, in a certain way I felt very safe because I had God on my side."

He said this was the first - and last - time he would discuss the matter because it is "too painful".

'We must heal'

Mr Trump seemed to strike a new tone in the aftermath of the assassination attempt, perhaps sensing political opportunity.

"The discord and division in our society must be healed. We must heal it quickly. As Americans, we are bound together by a single fate and a shared destiny."

He said he was running to be president of all of the US, not half of it.

Deportation promise

He also outlined what he says would be the largest deportation operation in American history.

He repeatedly accused people crossing the US-Mexico border illegally of staging an "invasion".
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/key-points-from-donald-trump-s-93-minute-speech/ar-BB1qgwl9?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=c81481d375a7421881f25fb4c16b196d&ei=12

[Rockstar]

I hate the fascist state and its mandates. I also don’t like command economies where bureaucrats & government central planners think they know how to run a business.

I do like the this though

"I will end the electric vehicle mandate on day one, thereby saving the auto industry from complete obliteration; and savings US customers thousands and thousands of dollars per car.“. - Trump

He should have mentioned too the billions and billions of dollars in tax payer funded subsidies pissed away on useless EV’s & windmills nobody wants.

https://i.ibb.co/xC39MzL/IMG-0208.jpg

[em2nought]

The phenomenon - Trump

Whether you like him or can't stand his guts, you have to admit that he is very special, for better or worse. I'll say he's a unikum

He is a person who is either very much hated or very much loved.

Can't remember seeing this behaviour among the American voters before.

This comment isn't a sign of worshipping your maybe coming President.

It's just that Trump is not of this political sphere

Markus

Most of the key folks who hate him only started hating on him when he put an "R" beside his name. Before that they were giving him awards and posing for photos with him.

https://www.opposingviews.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTU0MDAxMzA2NDg1NTMxNzMw/image-placeholder-title.png

[Rockstar]

From a former Democrat:

“ The biggest difference in the parties is one has been forced to listen to its voters while the other is forcing its voters to obey. Democrat voters don't even have independent thoughts. They will go along with literally ANYTHING their gods of government tell them. You can even convince them to kill their own offspring or that men get pregnant and their neighbors are enemies of the state.

https://i.ibb.co/k8mktDQ/IMG-0209.jpg

[Dowly]

Most of the key folks who hate him only started hating on him when he put an "R" beside his name. Before that they were giving him awards and posing for photos with him.

https://www.opposingviews.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTU0MDAxMzA2NDg1NTMxNzMw/image-placeholder-title.png


That's not a NAACP medal of any sort, but the Ellis Island medal of honor. Nothing to do with helping inner-cities either, but given to people of various immigration background. The original photo also includes Rosa Parks, Muhammad Ali, Joe DiMaggio, Victor Borge and Anita Bryant. So no, they're not posing for photos with Trump, he is part of a group photo.

[Buddahaid]

From a former Democrat:

“ The biggest difference in the parties is one has been forced to listen to its voters while the other is forcing its voters to obey. Democrat voters don't even have independent thoughts. They will go along with literally ANYTHING their gods of government tell them. You can even convince them to kill their own offspring or that men get pregnant and their neighbors are enemies of the state.

https://i.ibb.co/k8mktDQ/IMG-0209.jpg

Complete BS.

[Onkel Neal]

Haha, completely accurate.

DNC has the final say-so, that's how Biden got the nom last time. DNC made Bernie, Buttiplug, Warren, Kolchala, etc withdraw before Super Tues and hand it over to Biden. This whole orchestra of Biden is going run, wait--no he isn't, hand it over to a better candidate scam was called way in advance. I called it, many called it. They're only fooling their followers. Who are easily fooled. It was "Biden is sharp and focused, a dynamic leader" for the last 3 years then suddenly "Oh, What's this? Biden is old and senile!"

https://youtu.be/HMIyDf3gBoY?si=qHdEWcF6yOsOgkiK

[Buddahaid]

https://www.econotimes.com/Economists-Predict-Higher-Inflation-and-Deficits-Under-Trump-Compared-to-Biden-WSJ-Survey-1681655

Economist survey by WSJ favors Biden policy over a second Trump presidency by a large margin.

[Rockstar]

https://www.econotimes.com/Economists-Predict-Higher-Inflation-and-Deficits-Under-Trump-Compared-to-Biden-WSJ-Survey-1681655

Economist survey by WSJ favors Biden policy over a second Trump presidency by a large margin.

Linked to news from India writing an article about someone else’s article. :haha:

I’d suggest reading the WSJ article and the FRED expectations (I did). I would also refrain from putting too much faith into anonymous sources.

Anyway the WSJ article goes into the pros and cons of both administrations. FYI inflation is still high and is still going higher just not as fast. FED expects it to be at 2.8 percent next year.

Excerpt from the actual WSJ article:
The Journal’s survey, conducted July 5-9, received responses from 68 professional forecasters from business, Wall Street and academia. Of the 50 who answered questions about Trump and Biden, 56% said inflation would be higher under another Trump term than a Biden term, versus 16% who said the opposite. The remainder saw no material difference.

[Buddahaid]

The WSJ is behind a paywall so I was looking for an alternative.

[Catfish]

Just heard T. 's "speech".
You can' t be serious. Please take other candidates.

[Jeff-Groves]

I read alot of forums and I have to say THIS thread should be renamed to
The Joke of the Day part Du+

It's like watching 2 Fat Chicks in bikinis wrestling in spaghetti!
You feel bad for watching it but Good Lord it's funny!

[Skybird]

The one party a mausoleum, the other now a religious cult. Only one thing can help here:


https://i.postimg.cc/zBZHPvG4/cua.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Rockstar]

The WSJ is behind a paywall so I was looking for an alternative.

According to Jamie Dimon there has been some progress bringing inflation down, but there are still multiple inflationary forces in front of us: large fiscal deficits, infrastructure needs, restructuring of trade and remilitarization of the world.

On the other hand prices tend to come down during a recession because businesses are closing and people are losing their jobs and don’t have the bucks to pay for anything.

So we got that going for us. :haha: :o

356 companies have filed for bankruptcy this year, higher than in the pandemic in 2020 and is higher than any comparable figure in the last 13 years, per Forbes

Bosses are using 'silent lay-offs' and 'quiet firing' to get rid of employees, per Bloomberg.

—————-

In other news looks like you might be paying more for insurance soon. Good luck.

State Farm Insurance is seeking permission from the Californian state government to increase insurance rates as much as 50%.

It is looking to raise homeowners' insurance policies by 30%, condo policies by 36% and renters' policies by 52%, per NBC.

[Buddahaid]

https://youtu.be/ObZxzPfp_xo?si=De9sbQ9Yy8t7M3ud

[Gorpet]

Key points from Donald Trump's 93-minute speech
Ya,Know Jim,Your cities are on fire and the police are running away. It's a nice welcome for Keir Starmer, I think you have more problems at your front step right now. Yi pi ki yay.

[Gorpet]

The one party a mausoleum, the other now a religious cult. Only one thing can help here:


https://i.postimg.cc/zBZHPvG4/cua.png (https://postimages.org/)

Your right, Your country has lost everything, Ya know there are people on this planet that want to keep their history and culture.They are happy and living their lives.Right now today, What right does NATO and the EU have to bring war to these people and their countries ? Hey let's take a vote of the people in the United States not the politician. Democracy, It's the greatest new ideology! How does ideology work? :hmmm:

[Dowly]

Nothing screams "patriots" like AI generated magic sky cloth.

https://i.imgur.com/TnnXgoU.jpeg


At least it wasn't the flag of Liberia this time around.

[Reece]

WOW!! Magic sky cloth! :o :Kaleun_Applaud:

[Jimbuna]

What happens if Biden withdraws? Strategists weigh in

In a recent note, Piper Sandler analysts delved into the implications of President Biden potentially stepping aside from the 2024 presidential race.

They highlighted that significant Democratic leaders, including Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, and Nancy Pelosi, have publicly urged Biden to withdraw, marking a coordinated effort to push him out of the race.

The analysts pointed out that Biden's inner circle has dwindled to a few close family members and long-time aides. "He is a stubborn person who thinks very highly of himself," Jefferies wrote, emphasizing Biden's historical reluctance to heed advice from those outside his immediate circle.

The Democratic National Committee's attempt to schedule a virtual nomination ahead of the convention further underscores Biden's determination to stay in the race.
Despite their criticisms of Biden's decision to run for re-election, Piper Sandler analysts acknowledged the difficulty in predicting whether he will step aside. They suggested that the current political climate has brought Biden's candidacy to the brink of a critical juncture.

"We are now one step short of the true Armageddon scenario for Biden's candidacy," they wrote, referring to the potential for a significant number of Democratic senators to publicly call for his withdrawal.

The analysts speculated on the impact of Biden's recent Covid diagnosis, suggesting it could serve as a moment for him to reflect on his campaign. They also discussed the potential outcomes if Biden were to withdraw, noting that Vice President Kamala Harris would have a better chance of securing the nomination the closer to the convention Biden exits.

However, they emphasized the unpredictability of the situation, stating, "It's really difficult to predict the outcome of the general election when we don't know who the candidate is."

Overall, the Piper Sandler note underscores the uncertainty and high stakes surrounding Biden's decision, highlighting the profound impact it could have on the Democratic Party and the upcoming election.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/what-happens-if-biden-withdraws-strategists-weigh-in/ar-BB1qhITk?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=22a90deae9bf4dc1b0629086b821d668&ei=51

[Skybird]

I indeed am quite convinced since a few weeks that the race Biden-Trump will not materialize. Its Trump versus X.

[Skybird]

Oh look!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13653703/Loophole-Biden-booted-election-race-refuses-go.html

[mapuc]

The 15 million dollars question is:

Does the Dems have a candidate who can beat Trump in the Nov. election ?
A candidate who has to go against its own parties politics.

I'm convinced Trump will win with a landslide over any candidate the Dems put up.

Markus

[mapuc]

Oh look!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13653703/Loophole-Biden-booted-election-race-refuses-go.html

I know I mentioned it some pages back.

It has been done before in 1852 where the 14th President was "thrown" out and another was chosen as their candidate.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Oh look!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13653703/Loophole-Biden-booted-election-race-refuses-go.html

One hell of a dilemma awaits someone but who would be the first to show their hand?

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/OS4EeMAUqIU

[Skybird]

One hell of a dilemma awaits someone but who would be the first to show their hand?
The number of Democrats urging Biden to withdraw is now rising inexorably, there is no going back.

At the same time, Trump has transformed the former Republican Party into a pseudo-religious sect with a messianic sense of mission and an unparalleled cult of personality. One wonders what will happen in view of this religious exaltation of their savior if, contrary to expectations, the Trumpians lose the election...?

I no longer want to rule out civil war-like scenarios. In any case, the USA is facing many long years of internal unrest and increasing discord. One wonders whether this can ever heal. I have growing doubts, I no longer believe it.

[mapuc]

Erased He changed it to English.

Regarding Civil war in USA-I think you're right it's not a question on whether it comes or not to more when.

if Trump lose-There will be riots and civil war like situations in the biggest cities around USA

Markus

[Rockstar]

The number of Democrats urging Biden to withdraw is now rising inexorably, there is no going back.

At the same time, Trump has transformed the former Republican Party into a pseudo-religious sect with a messianic sense of mission and an unparalleled cult of personality. One wonders what will happen in view of this religious exaltation of their savior if, contrary to expectations, the Trumpians lose the election...?

I no longer want to rule out civil war-like scenarios. In any case, the USA is facing many long years of internal unrest and increasing discord. One wonders whether this can ever heal. I have growing doubts, I no longer believe it.

Considering your initial and near hysterical extremist nature of your analysis concerning COVID you’re 100% off base on your new analysis too.

All you euros might want get your water tested. Talk about cults, you have on the most racist neo nazi governments in your own backyard and say nothing. Hell it’s been 2023 and since and they still have neo nazis in government. Because they have everyone believing it’s the happiest place on the planet and you fall for it


Finland held its parliamentary elections in April 2023, from which a center-right coalition government was formed after 7 weeks of negotiations led by The National Coalition Party, with the True Finns Party, Swedish People’s Party, and the Christian Democrats. As soon as it was formed, the government was faced with what has been termed “a summer of racism scandals”, stemming from the racist writings, espousing the Great Replacement Theory, and participation in neo-Nazi events by several of the ministers from the far-right True Finns Party, including the current Deputy Prime Minister Rikka Purra and Speaker of Parliament Jussi Halla-Aho.

The Deputy Prime Minister had written about wanting to shoot Black children and called Muslim women “black sacks” (i.e., not even human), the initial Minister of Economy from the same far-right party participated in neo-Nazi events and upon his resignation was replaced by another far-right Minister who had been investigated for sexual assault, uses racial slurs, and talks about not just banning the hijab, but Muslim women themselves from entering the country. It also worth mentioning that the Speaker of Parliament has been convicted by the Finnish Supreme Court twice for incitement to ethnic and racial hatred, and had been a former member of Suomen Sisu, a neo-Nazi and neo-fascist group, up until 2019.

https://www.enar-eu.org/finland-napar/

[Rockstar]

Anyway back to things that matter to us & our country and what we’re thinking. Because frankly you euros are off your rocker, never once been right with your doom and gloom prognostications. Seriously go touch grass, get your water tested because y’all are way out somewhere in left field.

[em2nought]

President Trump is getting pretty slick. Instead of outright saying something, he says

I'm not supposed to be here tonight.

I think I know exactly what he means, but "they" can't call him on it with such sly language. :hmmm: It's a slippery slope we tread. :03:

[Skybird]

fire and brimstone from above
Better now...? :roll:

BTW, these can be had at Amazon:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81Sc5+HFrEL.jpg

[Rockstar]

Only Fire & Brimstone I know.

https://youtu.be/H4b4oj6-1bI


Leeds caught fire. Maybe Paris will be next, July 26th is just few days away ya know.

[Dargo]

Erased He changed it to English.

Regarding Civil war in USA-I think you're right it's not a question on whether it comes or not to more when.

if Trump lose-There will be riots and civil war like situations in the biggest cities around USA

MarkusThere will be no civil war, certainly not in the cities and certainly not if an ear diaper wearer loses. People really think this lot will fight in a real war?

https://i.postimg.cc/Dfpp9w6z/facediaper.jpg

[mapuc]

There will be no civil war, certainly not in the cities and certainly not if an ear diaper wearer loses. People really think this lot will fight in a real war?

https://i.postimg.cc/Dfpp9w6z/facediaper.jpg

I'm not talking about civil war in a month or so, but in 10-15 years from now.

It's not me who have said there will be riots if Trump lose-It was said in the weekly tv magazine "The fight for USA"

What he said this US expert-We may expect riots if Trump should lose.

However I have this feeling he will not, he will win with a landslide.
Me and my feelings are mostly wrong.

Markus

[Rockstar]

There will be no civil war, certainly not in the cities and certainly not if an ear diaper wearer loses. People really think this lot will fight in a real war?


And Ukraine, had close to thirty years to build up a national defense. But because their own leaders rampant grift and corruption, they are the ones that failed Ukraine and any possibility for Ukrainians to prevent a war or even be able to defend their own sovereignty against an invasion by a known despot.

Oh and by the way, at least we have elections. One more thing you ungrateful stain. Plenty of Americans from all walks of life have answered the call and fought and died fighting in Europe’s wars. We just grow tired of it. Why haven’t you answered the call? Go wrap a diaper on your face, hit the trenches and be a war hero.

[mapuc]

^ I'm thankful for what your ancestor did in WWI and WWII. I also agree on the fact we should fight our own war and not let USA fight it for us(sending supply to Ukraine, among others).

There are European volunteers in Ukraine from a couple hundred to thousands from European countries.

Many here in Denmark, who is tired of us sending weapon supply to Ukraine are looking forward to Trump being President again-'cause then the war will end very soon.

Hold your horses-In a video Trump reasure to Zelenskyj, he shouldn't worry it would be worse for Putin.

Markus

[Dargo]

That Trump ends this war is naive, the war in Ukraine will at least go on for a decade. If you want Trump to appease Putin, go ahead, know XI will welcome this. All thinking Trump will do this or that and all "our" problems are solved know nothing how geopolitic, global economy and statehood works.

[Rockstar]

I do think supporting Ukraine is a noble cause and would like to see restoration of 1991 borders. But it was through their own neglect that Ukrainian people and their leaders lost Crimea and, parts of the Donbass. It wasn’t because of me, you or anyone else on this planet that allowed it to happen, THEY did.

U.S. & European leaders have been to trot with slogans going on about Freedom and Democracy and as long as it takes. But IMO I think even they including Zelensky want this to end regardless what is agreed upon in negotiations. But to save face and deflect blame I think Trump (if he’s elected) and Orban will be the scapegoats. I bet even the military industrial complex is ready to move to something different since they got rich.

[Dargo]

I do think supporting Ukraine is a noble cause and would like to see restoration of 1991 borders. But it was through their own neglect that Ukrainian people and their leaders lost Crimea and, parts of the Donbass. It wasn’t because of me, you or anyone else on this planet that allowed it to happen, THEY did.

U.S. & European leaders have been to trot with slogans going on about Freedom and Democracy and as long as it takes. But IMO I think even they including Zelensky want this to end regardless what is agreed upon in negotiations. But to save face and deflect blame I think Trump and Orban will be the scapegoats.I am not certain Trump will end the war as we get told. It was Trump that provided the first military support, and it was Trump that allowed the military support 2024. Orbán is another factor do not think he is on our side he is certainly not and what he has done lately has backfired badly Hungary does not receive a vast amount of natural gas and oil any more because transit country Ukraine has placed him on a blacklist so a cold winter for the loser Orbán. Ukraine will not give up it fought a guerrilla for more than 5 years against the USSR the Crimean Peninsula was the peace offer from Khrushchev. The most important for the US is that this war is a big profit the factories to produce military products in the US can not cope the orders and are in need of workers so better think twice if you want peace. Every equipment delivered to Ukraine needs to be replaced to keep stock and all around the world the new orders placed in the US.

[mapuc]

That Trump ends this war is naive, the war in Ukraine will at least go on for a decade. If you want Trump to appease Putin, go ahead, know XI will welcome this. All thinking Trump will do this or that and all "our" problems are solved know nothing how geopolitic, global economy and statehood works.

I'm not the one who think Trump will end this war in a hurry. I think he will continue where Biden left and he could very well be the President who send special units to Ukraine to teach the Ukrainians in using US advanced weapon system. He will also send a clear message to little Un in NK - Stay out of Ukraine.

Markus

[Dargo]

I'm not the one who think Trump will end this war in a hurry. I think he will continue where Biden left and he could very well be the President who send special units to Ukraine to teach the Ukrainians in using US advanced weapon system. He will also send a clear message to little Un in NK - Stay out of Ukraine.

MarkusWhat I heard is that Trump will tell both sides to solve this it will tell Ukraine to negotiate (with security guaranties from the West) but do not expect all areas will be back, but he will also tell Putin if you do not solve this expect support from the US not in the sense as we did before but in the tenfold it is your choice. Source a former campaign ... so do not know this is real.

[mapuc]

What I heard is that Trump will tell both sides to solve this it will tell Ukraine to negotiate (with security guaranties from the West) but do not expect all areas will be back, but he will also tell Putin if you do not solve this expect support from the US not in the sense as we did before but in the tenfold it is your choice. Source a former campaign ... so do not know this is real.

We can only wait and see what Trump does, if he wins the election in Nov.

I also know, from news here if Trump withhold further supply to Ukraine, NATO in Europe and EU will step in and continue supporting Ukraine.

I think these 4 oblast will somehow become independent have their own Autonomy, like Crimea had before 2014.
(This was an off topic answer)

Markus

[Dargo]

We can only wait and see what Trump does, if he wins the election in Nov.

I also know, from news here if Trump withhold further supply to Ukraine, NATO in Europe and EU will step in and continue supporting Ukraine.

I think these 4 oblast will somehow become independent have their own Autonomy, like Crimea had before 2014.
(This was an off topic answer)

MarkusThat "news" is all yeah thinking what he does, but none knows for real.

[Rockstar]

We can only wait and see what Trump does, if he wins the election in Nov.

I also know, from news here if Trump withhold further supply to Ukraine, NATO in Europe and EU will step in and continue supporting Ukraine.

Markus

From all of the things I’ve been reading lately, Europe is stepping up. But its one thing to bump up contributions to NATO. It’s another to do that AND fully outfit another nations military “as long as it takes”.

Also, I should have been less specific and instead said ‘no matter who is elected’. I still think the next U.S. president (no matter who is elected) will be the one who takes us in the direction of negotiations to end the war. And I wouldn’t be surprised we have more leverage than Russia does. So negotiating a peace may not be as bad as all the arm chair warriors think it will be. We’ll see what happens 2025, that still gives Dargo plenty of time to put his money where his mouth is, pick up a rifle and show us American’s how to fight in a war.

[Dargo]

Too old to ever get drafted and not in my nature to take orders from a state.

[mapuc]

I've heard and read how voters are going to put their vote on Biden, not because they support him, it's more a case of preventing Trump from winning.

If this should be true then they could keep Biden as their candidate and not force him to resign.

The support for Harris on the other hand, has grown the last few days and she would be a good candidate for Dems

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg3jw2gexedo

[Skybird]

Believe it or not but if they hold a weapon at my head and force me to vote, I would vote Trump.



Of course, voluntarily I would not vote, even if being paid for it.

[Rockstar]

California just changed its state motto from ‘The Golden State to ‘The Predator State’

Gavin Newsom’s Law:

“Child predators follow a common playbook: target the victim, gain their trust, fill a need, and, crucially, isolate the child from her parents. For several years, this has also been standard California state protocol with regard to schoolchildren questioning their gender identities.

On Monday, this scheme became law.”

[Jimbuna]

Biden ‘angry’ with Obama over calls to step down from presidential race

Joe Biden is reportedly angry with Barack Obama for joining other top Democrats in calling for him to consider bowing out of the US presidential race.

The US president has not yet decided to step aside, with his team publicly insisting he will remain on the ticket. However, in private, the Biden team has reportedly acknowledged that his position may be untenable as a growing number of Democrats urge him to withdraw.

Mr Obama and Nancy Pelosi, the former speaker of the House of Representatives, have been among those calling for Mr Biden to consider withdrawing from the race, as his cognitive faculties have come under increasing scrutiny.

Currently in isolation with a Covid infection at his beach home in Delaware, Mr Biden is said to view Ms Pelosi as the instigator of the plot to oust him, but he is particularly wounded by the involvement of the former president, whom he once considered a close friend.
The president’s aides have been privately discussing dates and a venue for Mr Biden to announce his exit from the race, according to the New York Times.

Mr Biden’s advisers reportedly believe he would be reluctant to step aside before Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, visits Washington on Wednesday to address Congress. They suggested that he would want to avoid giving the Israeli leader the satisfaction, given their fraught relationship over the ongoing war in Gaza.

Mr Biden is said to have complained privately about Mr Obama advising him on how to save the party, given that he performed better in the 2022 mid-term elections than his former boss had in 2010.

Around 40 members of Congress have publicly called for the 81-year-old to step aside, forming a minority of the party. However, two Democrats estimated that in a secret ballot, 70 to 80 per cent of the party’s caucus would likely favour his withdrawal, the New York Times reported.

Some Democrats have twisted the knife over Mr Biden’s mental acuity in recent days. One congressman told the Washington Post that on a recent flight on Air Force One, the president was speaking inaudibly and that his demeanour had notably changed over the past four years. Another congressman told the newspaper that Mr Biden would trail off in conversation and even addressed him by the wrong name.

On Friday, Seth Moulton, a Democratic congressman who called on Mr Biden to drop out of the race earlier this month, said the president did not recognise him at the recent D-Day commemorations in Normandy.

“For the first time, he didn’t seem to recognise me. Of course, that can happen as anyone ages, but as I watched the disastrous debate a few weeks ago, I have to admit that what I saw in Normandy was part of a deeper problem,” he wrote in the Boston Globe.

The president’s frailty was on display yet again on Thursday when, after having caught Covid for the second time, footage showed him struggling to climb a short flight of stairs to board Air Force One.

Aides passed along footage of the display in despair, the Washington Post reported.

Meanwhile, some White House staff are starting to focus on damage control, preparing for a Trump presidency by finding ways to lock in policies enacted by Mr Biden, an administration official told the paper.

Staffers have begun to fast-track plans to impose term limits on the Supreme Court and new ethics rules on the justices.

They are also drafting a significant new federal intervention to limit inflation by removing tax rebates from corporate landlords who raise their rents by more than 5 per cent a year.

Mr Biden stumbled when announcing the policy last week, even as he read the details off a teleprompter. He said that he was capping rent increases at $55 a year, rather than at 5 per cent.

Mr Biden has said he is ready to return to the campaign trail next week, even as a growing chorus of Democratic lawmakers calls for him to step aside.

CBS News reported that Mr Biden believes Mr Obama and Mrs Pelosi are underestimating his political appeal and the strength of his coalition.

He feels that the pair should be quiet and supportive if they are not going to “run against him publicly”, the news channel reported.

After wrapping up their national convention in Milwaukee this week, Republican officials, strategists and activists are exuding a confidence not seen in decades.

Donald Trump on Saturday was due to hold his first public campaign rally since he was injured in an assassination attempt, with an event in the battleground state of Michigan alongside his new running mate, Ohio Senator JD Vance.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/biden-angry-with-obama-over-calls-to-step-down-from-presidential-race/ar-BB1qkv9D?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=03203901d10c488782793e5ea634a876&ei=68

[Skybird]

Biden will be gotten rid of. But then the most likely replacement will be Kamela Harris. :doh:

And who would dare to claim that with her Democrats would stand a better chance...? :o
Most of those giving her their vote would not do it by conviction, but only to prevent Trump. But has Harris what it takes to convince in this regard so that she makes people voting for her just to prevent Trump? From the other side of the Atlantic my impression is such that I would doubt it.

And what kind of miserable presidency can one expect with such a candidate anyway? She failed in the race 2019, and as a vice president she convinced with absence. Thats no sufficient qualification. :doh:

[mapuc]

I've asked before-Is the any candidate among the Dems who can win over Trump ?

Markus

[August]

1 in 3 Democrats believe Trump faked assassination attempt.


If some polls are to be believed, one in three Democrats think that Donald Trump (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/donald-trump) faked his own assassination attempt. When I read that, I thought, could this possibly be true? But this weekend on my drive home to West Virginia from the Republican National Convention (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/elections/republican-convention) in Milwaukee, I got the theory first hand. And it's a fascinating doozy.

Station Square Ristorante, just off of I-80 in Liberty, Ohio, is an absolute gem. Ottavio and Bridget Musumeci have somehow managed to create a legitimate fine-dining experience attached to the Super 8 motel. And no, I’m not kidding. In the wood-paneled bar, as I ordered oysters and antipasto for a late lunch, I met Mark, originally from northern New Jersey, which his accent revealed before he did. And Mark, well, he had some very interesting things to say.

"That whole thing was a setup," Mark told me.
Before I could even respond, John, the bartender, who I would learn doesn’t like Trump or Biden, said, "Nah, two people are dead. No way."

Mark’s response was, "this is Donald Trump, he’s capable of anything."
So I dug in a bit. How did they get the kid to do it? Mark was ready with answers. They paid off the family, or maybe told him he’d get off with just a few years in jail, he suggested.

"And the death of Corey Comperatore?" I asked, referring to the retired fire chief who died shielding his family from the assassin's bullets.
"Donald Trump doesn’t care if his supporters die," Mark shot back, quite certain of himself.
You should know that Mark did not come off as some kind of lunatic. A bit prone to conspiracy theories maybe, but by no means crazy. So how could he believe all this with no evidence whatsoever?

He also had a good appetite, and as he wolfed down his caesar salad and veal piccante topped with mussels, he made it clear that it all came down to one simple precept: Trump is capable of anything.

I couldn’t help but think that the fact that Mark shares this kind of weird, irrational thinking with a third of his party faithful is because it is exactly what Democrats and their media allies have been feeding them.

Why wouldn’t Mark, if he has a steady diet of liberal media, think that Trump is capable of killing innocent people? After all, they say he will deny women their rights, he won’t let black people vote, he will destroy democracy, and on and on and on. Mark is conditioned to believe that Trump is a unique evil and nothing should be put past him.

I said to Mark that if I thought one party, one side, or call it what you will, was willing to kill innocent Americans in this way, then it might be time to buy some guns. Then he said something that surprised me.

"It’s not the other side, it’s just Trump."


It made little sense, but in a strange way, I was glad to hear him say it. At least Mark doesn’t blame his fellow citizens who support Trump. Not yet, anyway. Mark finished and left before I did, and we had a wholesome and sincere goodbye. After the door closed, I asked to John, "What do you make of that?" "It’s crazy," he shrugged.

Yes it is, but here we are.



https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/1-3-democrats-believe-trump-faked-assassination-attempt-i-talked-one-them.amp

[em2nought]

If there is one thing that the democrats excel at it is "projection". :har:

[Jimbuna]

Biden ‘delaying stepping down’ until after Netanyahu meeting

Joe Biden will meet Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday as the Israeli prime minister visits Washington during a defining week for the Democratic Party.

The US president has been facing intense pressure to step down as critics warned it was now or never to replace him.

Mr Biden was reported to be preparing the ground to step aside but was said to be holding on at least until the meeting with Mr Netanyahu which is scheduled for noon.

Relations between the two leaders have been tense, and the New York Times reported that Mr Biden did not want to give Mr Netanyahu the “satisfaction” of him standing down in the week of the Israeli prime minister’s Washington trip.

Mr Netanyahu’s visit is shrouded in controversy already, with the Democratic Party split on support for Israel, which has been accused of triggering a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza.
The Israeli leader is visiting and addressing Congress on the invitation of the Republican Party, which observers said was a plan to dare Democrats to shun him.

Israeli media also reported that Mr Netanyahu may visit Donald Trump while in the US, but this was not confirmed by officials.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/biden-delaying-stepping-down-until-after-netanyahu-meeting/ar-BB1qmIwH?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=d5e4bd8f65ae4ac9a583212cbd8b36f0&ei=138

[Rockstar]

1 in 3 Democrats believe Trump faked assassination attempt.

Add to that the thoughts below of the real kook fringe in America. 2/3rds of a political party filled with grown men accepting the gov't and media telling them Trump is Hitler, Trump is a threat to America, mocking an attempted assassination, accepting they can't go outside, can't gather w/ friends or family & that they HAVE to get an experimental injection so they could go to bars, restaurants & movies again, mocking the deaths of unvaccinated neighbors. They are absolutely weak minded and awful.


And we got Euros here thinking everyone else is the cult. Little do they know. :har:



Third of Democrats wish Donald Trump had been killed
BY ERIC KAUFMANN

A third of Democratic voters I surveyed in a snap poll on 18 July openly agreed with the statement “I wish Trump’s assassin hadn’t missed.” Looking beneath the numbers, the new moral absolutism of the progressive Left picks out which Democrats support assassination and which do not.

The concerning news is that a third of Democrats support the attempt on Donald Trump’s life. The good news is that the other two-thirds of party voters really do disagree. I used a concealed technique called a list experiment which found that even when they could disguise their true sentiment, a solid seven in 10 Democrats were pleased the assassin missed.

This raises the question of which kind of Democrat backed the killing of Trump. Support for the statement hardly varies by age, race or education, but is connected to ideology and partisanship.

When I asked whether respondents agreed with the statement “White Republicans are racist”, 55% agreed and only 20% disagreed. But particularly interesting, as illustrated below, is how tightly people’s answer to this question predicts whether they support Trump’s assassination. In a statistical model controlling for various demographic characteristics, ideology and partisanship, this question came out as so statistically significant it relegated all other variables to irrelevance.

For my new book The Third Awokening (published in the UK as Taboo), I conducted nationally representative surveys in 2020 which showed that two in three white liberals agreed with the “White Republicans are racist” statement. Those who did were twice as likely as those who disagreed with it to say that “people who disagree with me politically are immoral.” They were also nearly twice as likely to say that politics is important for their identity. In effect, woke beliefs make people moralise politics, increasing intolerance and totalising black-and-white thinking.

Those with degrees have been measured as more likely than others to hold this moralistic sensibility, with researchers overturning their previous belief that higher education made people more likely to believe that values are relative and that there is room for disagreement on morality. In fact, young people with higher education backgrounds are now more likely to believe in absolute right and wrong than those with just a high school qualification. Education in our high culture makes people less tolerant.


Moral absolutism around identity underpins negative partisanship on the Left, which we see in the growing unwillingness of liberals to date and hire Republicans or Trump supporters. Just 7% of female college students — and 19% of males — at top 200 universities who don’t back Trump are willing to date a Trump supporter. Those who would not date a Trump supporter are far less willing to hire them for a job. Among college faculty, 40% would not hire a known Trump supporter for a job, and these people are overwhelmingly against the idea of having lunch with a Trump-supporting colleague.

There is increasingly a pattern of partisan asymmetry — especially in elite institutional settings — in which the Left is more prejudiced against the Right than vice versa. In both Britain and America, those on the Left are between two and five times more likely to unfriend people on social media, refuse to date, or otherwise discriminate against those on the Right than the other way round. Left-wing faculty members in the Anglosphere have a far more negative view of Right-wing voters than Right-wing faculty do of Left-wing voters.

When the primary points of focus for the Left were class and Government spending, interests governed emotions more, permitting compromise. The two sides might have disagreed, but this was a matter of the other side being selfish or misguided rather than immoral.

Now, identity politics has moralised the outlook of the Left, painting conservatives as evil rather than wrong. This fuels catastrophising language around “white supremacy”, “fascism” and “danger”, leading to a high-stakes emotional atmosphere. Given our new politics of identitarian sacredness and moral absolutism, we should not be surprised to see a rise in political extremism.

Eric Kaufmann is Professor of Politics at the University of Buckingham and author of Taboo: How Making Race Sacred Led to a Cultural Revolution (Forum Press, 4 July).

epkaufm

[Skybird]

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4780301-hillary-clinton-2024/


https://i.postimg.cc/MpYczRS8/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)

[August]

If there is one thing that the democrats excel at it is "projection". :har:


It's true. Regardless of which side you believe is willing to go there, the fact is that Trump just doesn't have the resources to pull off an assassination, or fake an assassination, but the Democrats, with the support of the letter Agencies such as the CIA and FBI, certainly do have both the resources and the people in high places to commit such a heinous act and cover it up.

[Von Due]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1e5xpdzkd8o

That took som arm twisting.

[Jimbuna]

I really don't think Biden had any other choice than to step down.

I was beginning to think he was a selfish old man but to what extent he may have been manipulated by others I doubt we will ever know.

Soooo....who will he be replaced by?

[Rockstar]

Well Biden is out, wonder who the party elites will crown as the next candidate? So much for democracy

[Shadowblade]

Sleepy Joe out of the fight - a bit late, but reasonable decision.

I am wondering who will replace him...

[Onkel Neal]

Well Biden is out, wonder who the party elites will crown as the next candidate? So much for democracy

Whomever they think can win, It's gonna be frantic

[MaDef]

Sleepy Joe out of the fight - a bit late, but reasonable decision.

I am wondering who will replace him...
80% chance it's Harris, she's the sitting VP and if she doesn't get the nod the DNC will end up in complete disarray going into their convention.

[Shadowblade]

80% chance it's Harris, she's the sitting VP and if she doesn't get the nod the DNC will end up in complete disarray going into their convention.


I heard that Kamala is not very popular...

[mapuc]

When is this DNC gonna meet ?

Markus

[Catfish]

I heard that Kamala is not very popular...
It seems of all candidates and all Americans generally, only Trump is popular.
For Americans :D

[Skybird]

Its ironic - the Democrats' chances have dramatically improved. Nevertheless there are reasons for doubting that they have decisively improved.

Shows only how bad they had been before Biden's retreat.

[MaDef]

I heard that Kamala is not very popular... She's not, but the Clintons publicly endorsed her, so the question is, who will the DNC tap for VP. (they might try to bring RFK Jr. into it, to hang onto votes)

When is this DNC gonna meet ?

MarkusAug 10-22

It seems of all candidates and all Americans generally, only Trump is popular. After 4 years of Biden/Harris, people are starting to think that maybe mean tweets weren't as bad as they thought. :yeah:

[Catfish]

^ lmao
Trump''s best election helper is gone :D
8 year-long "mean tweets" of Trump's hate and bile will not stop of course. Will sure help him.

[mapuc]

It's gonna be Kamela Harris as their candidate, next question would be-who is she gonna pick as her VP ?

Are the Democrats popular at all ? When you think about the societal problems the country has been dealing with in the last few years

Markus

[Rockstar]

What gets me about this is how he’s considered too mentally handicapped to stand trial. Now everyone including his own party wants him to drop out of the race because of very obvious decline in mental acuity.

Yet everyone is OK with a guy that’s only somewhat awake between the hours of 10am and 4pm remaining the president & holding launch codes to our nuclear arsenal. :doh:

The unelected bureaucrats and intelligence services in the executive branch appear to be the ones really running the show.

Makes sense now why Schumer warned Trump not to cross paths with them. He did anyways and was basically run out of town.

https://i.ibb.co/H2BYdBM/IMG-0215.jpg

[Onkel Neal]

Just a few days ago, this moron was shilling Biden for all he's worth, bet he feels stoopid now :D

https://youtu.be/Dy7lgf47lYM

[August]

^ lmao
Trump''s best election helper is gone :D
8 year-long "mean tweets" of Trump's hate and bile will not stop of course. Will sure help him.




Trump hasn't tweeted very much in the past few years.

[Rockstar]

https://i.ibb.co/VYrcPFj/IMG-0216.jpg

[August]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cciEXNhfAU

[Skybird]

Obama praised Biden's decision but stopped short of declaring his support, in any way, for Harris.


Biden gave up the election race - but did not give up his seat as president for Harris.


Well... :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

If Harris is not the nominee, it would be an acknowledgement that she was never qualified to be vice president. She will therefore be crowned candidate by decree.

Im confused now, how are we to interpret the usual suspects pious talk of threats to our democracy?

[mapuc]

I'm following a livestream on YT where they discuss Biden's resign and who's will be the Dems candidate. Where one wrote in chat-
I'm going to put my vote on Harris, because she's hot.

Markus

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCKNlj1uDyc


Warning: Thar be some salty language in this one.

[ET2SN]

If Harris is not the nominee, it would be an acknowledgement that she was never qualified to be vice president. She will therefore be crowned candidate by decree.

Im confused now, how are we to interpret the usual suspects pious talk of threats to our democracy?

Serious question, do you understand the role of the Veep in terms of the US constitution? :timeout:

They serve as a stand-in for the Prez in case the elected Prez can not fulfil their oath of office due to being incapacitated. They also serve as the Prez of the senate.

The Veep was a lot more important back in the 1800's when you could snuff it if your horse threw you or you got trampled. Or the train exploded. Or the ship sank. Or the house burned down. Or you ate tainted food. Or you got influenza. The Veep's job is to provide continuation of the federal government until a new election can be held while cracking heads in the senate. :yep:

Now, the Veep still gets to crack heads in the senate (and for Pete's sake, its not like the senate is a den of libertines, they are more like the traffic cops of the federal government) but their main job is during elections. The Veep helps to build a broader coalition of voters while also serving as the vanilla pudding in the party platform. They go to weddings and funerals when the Prez is too busy. They deliver speeches on policy goals (for Pete's sake).

The irony in all of this is that there is a lot to like about Harris if you're a member of the "red meat right". Just look up her record in California. :yep:
She put a lot of people in jail.

[Rockstar]

Serious question, do you understand the role of the Veep in terms of the US constitution? :timeout:

They serve as a stand-in for the Prez in case the elected Prez can not fulfil their oath of office due to being incapacitated. They also serve as the Prez of the senate.

The Veep was a lot more important back in the 1800's when you could snuff it if your horse threw you or you got trampled. Or the train exploded. Or the ship sank. Or the house burned down. Or you ate tainted food. Or you got influenza. The Veep's job is to provide continuation of the federal government until a new election can be held while cracking heads in the senate. :yep:

Now, the Veep still gets to crack heads in the senate (and for Pete's sake, its not like the senate is a den of libertines, they are more like the traffic cops of the federal government) but their main job is during elections. The Veep helps to build a broader coalition of voters while also serving as the vanilla pudding in the party platform. They go to weddings and funerals when the Prez is too busy. They deliver speeches on policy goals (for Pete's sake).

The irony in all of this is that there is a lot to like about Harris if you're a member of the "red meat right". Just look up her record in California. :yep:
She put a lot of people in jail.


I guess my question to you would be. Why are going on about the vice presidents role and presidential succession of command? Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I am mocking the very undemocratic process by which a certain party nominates a presidential candidate. Delegates didn’t vote for Harris, she was crowned.

[ET2SN]

I guess my question to you would be. Why are going on about the vice presidents role and presidential succession of command? Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I am mocking the very undemocratic process by which a certain party nominates a presidential candidate. Delegates didn’t vote for Harris, she was crowned.

The DNC haven't held their convention yet. :smug: :yep:

Joe Biden is still the president, Kamala Harris is still the VP.
The only change is that Biden has decided to not seek a second term in the general election.
Its not like he's going to jail, so what's your beef? :O:

[em2nought]

Obama praised Biden's decision but stopped short of declaring his support, in any way, for Harris.


Biden gave up the election race - but did not give up his seat as president for Harris.


Well... :hmmm:

Staying in power is important to democrats, running a country not so much. :har:

Idea: Maybe the Border Czar should pick Alejandro Mayorkas as her VP, together they've done such a great job at that border, and on illegal immigration in general. :har:

[Skybird]

46 million in donations for the Democrats in one day.


Various number games project a head-to-head race between Harris in Trump currently. At the same time even many Democrats do not want Harris. She is said to be part of the radical left wing of the party. On the other hand you have the apparently - for a European's eyes at least - paradox situation that many Latinos and Migrants and even many Blacks, who all get routinely offended by Trump, support Trump.



This ongoing soap opera promises amusing twists and turns, while half of the staff still doesn't know the script and the story. Improvised clownery on side of the Democrats, planned and carefully orchestrated "spontaneity" on side of the Republicans.



What a theatre.

[Jimbuna]

Harris in her first statement has stated that she intends to earn and win the Democratic nomination for President.

[Rockstar]

The DNC haven't held their convention yet. :smug: :yep:

Joe Biden is still the president, Kamala Harris is still the VP.
The only change is that Biden has decided to not seek a second term in the general election.
It’s not like he's going to jail, so what's your beef? :O:

Where have you been? DNC Delegates voted four months ago March 12th and awarded Biden over 3896 votes. Now Biden bows out, guess where his delegate votes go? To Harris who was not even on the list of candidates to vote for.

Below is the list of candidates DNC delegates had to chose from and the number votes they received. Note Harris was not on the ballot.

Joe Biden 3896

Uncommitted 36

Dean Phillips 4

Palmer 3

Marianne Williamson 0

That is why I mocked the very undemocratic process by which she was crowned by decree. And still wondering how are we to interpret all the usual suspects previous pious talk of threats to our democracy. Is it sinking in yet?

https://i.ibb.co/TwCmd6X/IMG-0217.jpg


In other news Hillary Clinton agrees to be VP pick: "I'm honored to be next in line should Kamala tragically commit suicide." :har:

[Rockstar]

46 million in donations for the Democrats in one day.

Nothing new really, that was the money being
withheld to leverage Biden out.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Biden set aside his ego for the good of the country. Can you see Trump doing that?

[Dowly]

Nothing new really, that was the money being
withheld to leverage Biden out.
These were grassroots donations received after Harris announced she's running.

[MaDef]

The DNC haven't held their convention yet. :smug: :yep:

Joe Biden is still the president, Kamala Harris is still the VP.
The only change is that Biden has decided to not seek a second term in the general election.
Its not like he's going to jail, so what's your beef? :O:The machinations behind the scene that brought the U.S. to this point. the next big thing is they may try to push Biden completely out the door by forcing his resignation.(the news is already asking if he's to old/sick to run again, why is he still the President) If that happens, Harris is president and Congress will hand pick the VP., and that is who will be on the ticket for the general election.

Biden set aside his ego for the good of the country. Can you see Trump doing that? Not voluntarily, Biden was pushed out by the current DNC leadership. His public statement was just his way of saving face and allowing the DNC leadership plausible deniability in this current train wreck of an election cycle.

[Jimbuna]

Kamala Harris has released a powerful statement following Joe Biden's resignation and endorsement of her

President Joe Biden resigned from the 2024 presidential race on Sunday, confirming his decision to step back in a statement, and endorsing his Vice President Kamala Harris as the Democratic candidate in his place.

“Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year”, Biden announced in his statement, calling his selection of Harris as his Vice President "the best decision I’ve made".

Harris responded in a powerful statement, thanking Biden for his "decades of service" and endorsement.

"On behalf of the American people, I thank Joe Biden for his extraordinary leadership as President of the United States and for his decades of service to our country," read Harris' full statement. "His remarkable legacy of accomplishment is unmatched in modern American history, surpassing the legacy of many Presidents who have served two terms in office.
"It is a profound honor to serve as his Vice President, and I am deeply grateful to the President, Dr. Biden, and the entire Biden family. I first came to know President Biden through his son Beau. We were friends from our days working together as Attorneys General of our home states. As we worked together, Beau would tell me stories about his Dad. The kind of father - and the kind of man - he was. And the qualities Beau revered in his father are the same qualities, the same values, I have seen every single day in Joe’s leadership as President: His honesty and integrity. His big heart and commitment to his faith and his family. And his love of our country and the American people.

Her statement continued: "With this selfless and patriotic act, President Biden is doing what he has done throughout his life of service: putting the American people and our country above everything else.

"I am honored to have the President’s endorsement and my intention is to earn and win this nomination. Over the past year, I have traveled across the country, talking with Americans about the clear choice in this momentous election. And that is what I will continue to do in the days and weeks ahead. I will do everything in my power to unite the Democratic Party - and unite our nation - to defeat Donald Trump and his extreme Project 2025 agenda.

"We have 107 days until Election Day," Harris concluded her statement. "Together, we will fight. And together, we will win."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/kamala-harris-has-released-a-powerful-statement-following-joe-biden-s-resignation-and-endorsement-of-her/ar-BB1qq1K8?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=eb36d455b7c348c2b64af3b380b2167f&ei=12

[August]

Kamala Harris has released a powerful statement following Joe Biden's resignation and endorsement of her


"Powerful" statement? :roll:

[mapuc]

If Mrs Obama choose to run for President-She will, according to some polls, win the election with 50 % against Trumps 39 %.

However she refuse to be a candidate.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Trump is now the oldest nominee to ever run for the presidency.

[mapuc]

What do say- Should there be an age limit to the Job as President ?

E.g. when a person reach 75 s/he can no longer be President and either have to leave the office or can't be elected.

Markus

[Skybird]

What do say- Should there be an age limit to the Job as President ?

When the white man reached North America, he was confronted with native people whose life expectancy was 120 years on average and whose over 100 years old elder men still went on buffalo hunt together with the young men.

Physical and mental fitness can vary individually, depending on general health, and general health depends on genes, diet, and life style.

The better idea instead of absolute age limits might be to make frequent cognitive and intellectual and memory test mandatory from a certain age on.

Mind you, the elder were held in high respct in ancient times not for no reasons but because their long life, the treasury of experience it brings, and their changed values and views on things, changes that come with age and often take the shape of seeing things more relative and not as absolute and idealisitic as the young ones. An older president who is still fit in his head could be an advantage. Its not that youth automatically makes better decisions. Biden's absolute age is not the problem - that he is obviously senile since long and media and opinion makers acted as if it were not the case - THAT was and is the problem with Biden. A 50 year old in Biden's mental state would also be a problem.

If you have an azz in the top job, you are however screwed every time, no matter his age and his reasons. :O:

[Buddahaid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ6PemXQ6so

[Rockstar]

These were grassroots donations received after Harris announced she's running.

It’s been all over the news here for months that Democrat donors were holding back the cash flow as leverage to oust Biden from the race. Now that Biden is out and Harris nominated by decree the cash starts flowing. It’s not rocket science.

[mapuc]

When the white man reached North America, he was confronted with native people whose life expectancy was 120 years on average and whose over 100 years old elder men still went on buffalo hunt together with the young men.

Physical and mental fitness can vary individually, depending on general health, and general health depends on genes, diet, and life style.

The better idea instead of absolute age limits might be to make frequent cognitive and intellectual and memory test mandatory from a certain age on.

Mind you, the elder were held in high respct in ancient times not for no reasons but because their long life, the treasury of experience it brings, and their changed values and views on things, changes that come with age and often take the shape of seeing things more relative and not as absolute and idealisitic as the young ones. An older president who is still fit in his head could be an advantage. Its not that youth automatically makes better decisions. Biden's absolute age is not the problem - that he is obviously senile since long and media and opinion makers acted as if it were not the case - THAT was and is the problem with Biden. A 50 year old in Biden's mental state would also be a problem.

If you have an azz in the top job, you are however screwed every time, no matter his age and his reasons. :O:

Never gave this a thought to test them from a certain age instead of this age limit.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Meanwhile Kimberly Cheatle was being grilled by congress over the attempted assassination of Trump. I like her on account she didn’t try to weasel her way out of it, instead she stepped up and took full responsibility for the operational failure. But like her or not I also think she needs to go, she had one job to do and botched it.

[Rockstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ6PemXQ6so

Whatever happened to that prepper guy you used to listen too. The one who looked like he taped videos from his basement or underground bunker.

[Dowly]

When the white man reached North America, he was confronted with native people whose life expectancy was 120 years on average and whose over 100 years old elder men still went on buffalo hunt together with the young men.
Lol, it most definitely wasn't. :haha:


It’s been all over the news here for months that Democrat donors were holding back the cash flow as leverage to oust Biden from the race. Now that Biden is out and Harris nominated by decree the cash starts flowing. It’s not rocket science.


The news were about major donors withholding already pledged donations, however, the donations in question here are all new donations via ActBlue.

[August]

When the white man reached North America, he was confronted with native people whose life expectancy was 120 years on average and whose over 100 years old elder men still went on buffalo hunt together with the young men.


:har:

Expectation of life at birth 13–36 years for various Pre-Columbian Mesoamerican cultures, most of the results lying in the range 24–32 years. Aztec life expectancy 41.2 years for men and 42.1 for women. Around a third of infants died in their first year.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

[Rockstar]

Lol, it most definitely wasn't. :haha:





The news were about major donors withholding already pledged donations, however, the donations in question here are all new donations via ActBlue.


It wouldn’t have mattered who the new nominee was. The fact remains it wasn’t until Biden was forced to drop out that donations, even from the one in question, began flowing into the DNC again. It’s not that hard to figure out.

[mapuc]

:har:




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

Whether they lived more than 120 years or only 42 years wasn't the most important for me, in his answer to my comment. It was this:

"The better idea instead of absolute age limits might be to make frequent cognitive and intellectual and memory test mandatory from a certain age on.
"

Markus

[Buddahaid]

It wouldn’t have mattered who the new nominee was. The fact remains it wasn’t until Biden was forced to drop out that donations, even from the one in question, began flowing into the DNC again. It’s not that hard to figure out.

Or it wasn't until the RNC fixed their ticket with another white male misogynist, after all, Biden was only the presumptive nominee since the DNC won't be until next month.

[mapuc]

Americans are pointing fingers at Biden and accuse him for the Immigration crisis and the high inflation.

I tell you these problem would have happened what ever name the American President had, whether it was Trump, Harris or some other.

What American can or could do, is/was to criticize his acting in these crisis.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Or it wasn't until the RNC fixed their ticket with another white male misogynist, after all, Biden was only the presumptive nominee since the DNC won't be until next month.

https://i.ibb.co/M7mWsx2/IMG-0220.jpg

Last March when by nearly unanimous decision delegates voted for Biden he became the presumptive nominee which would have been publicly confirmed at the convention with great pomp and circumstance.

4 months later they forced Biden out. Now we have Harris, who was not on the ballot and nobody in the DNC voted for has taken Biden’s place. That’s not democracy.

[August]

Whether they lived more than 120 years or only 42 years wasn't the most important for me, in his answer to my comment. It was this:

"The better idea instead of absolute age limits might be to make frequent cognitive and intellectual and memory test mandatory from a certain age on.
"

Markus


Well it's hard to ignore such stunning foolishness but regardless, we are not going to amend our constitution to require a presidential intelligence test, guaranteed.

[Catfish]

So republicans want to accuse Biden for drawing back from the election.
At the same time Russia (read Putin) demands that Biden has to be accused of manipulating the media.
You can't make these things up :D

[Buddahaid]

https://i.ibb.co/M7mWsx2/IMG-0220.jpg



Oh sure, and I suppose you can explain why fifteen of the seventeen most senior political appointee positions in the Trump presidency were all white men, with the other two spots held by a white woman? All of Trumps most trusted people in his businesses etc. are all white.

[August]

Oh sure, and I suppose you can explain why fifteen of the seventeen most senior political appointee positions in the Trump presidency were all white men, with the other two spots held by a white woman? All of Trumps most trusted people in his businesses etc. are all white.




Maybe because Trump doesn't hire people according to skin color like the racist democrats. And what about Ben Carson and Jerome Adams, are they not black enough for you?

[Skybird]

Lol, it most definitely wasn't. :haha:
Those North American tribes living off buffalo meat or meat in general, which was the main food source of these tribes, became that old, if fighting and winter's cold did not decimate them. We know this from witness accounts of ship captains, settlers and voyagers of the founding era of the US. They reported in their personal diaries, logbooks and official reports to higher ranks that these people were incredibly tall (they were bigger than Washington and Jefferson who both are said to have been tall men), muscular, and they later were witnessed to have even men of 100 years and older to attend buffalo hunts.

When they were later, during the Indian genocide, cut off their natural food source and forced to eat the white man's grains and veggies, the physical degeneration and drop in life expectancy showed within one generation, also a greater vulnerability against diseases, and then of course there was and is alcohol. These things were witnessed and documented again later by the leading work of Dr. Wesley A. Price from his global voyages in the 20s and 30s of the last century where he showed by observation of native regional populations on all continents and documenting of for example siblings, one staying in his natural food regiment, the other being exposed to white man's food regiment, that the degeneration in skeleton, jawbone and teeth indeed show up within one generation already, within a few years.

Since agriculture was invented, in these 12 thousand years the bodies of humans have shrunk, skull sizes have shrunk, and brain sizes have shrunk where there was no more generous access to fish, and meat. This is documented fact, not just bizarr theory. We are what we eat, if we eat what our species is not made for to digest, our physical form suffers losses, we are then malnourished, and we pay for that. "Calories" have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with this context of things.

Biologists also refer to the telomers on the genetic helix. These are like "end caps" of the gene, and small pieces get cut off every time the cell splits up and duplicates. Once the telomer is shorter than a critical treshhold length, the cell goes into aptosis, into instant cell death. By length of telomers in the human genes one can calculate that homo sapiens sapiens should be able to live an average life of around 120 years. That we dont, only is because we live so unhealthy and eat such crappy stuff - plants - that every cell division cuts off more from the telomer than it should, this way artifically accelerating the loss of telomer length, and so triggering cell aptosis earlier than needed.

Note that Indian tribes in the southern Americas had their food often centered on grains (Quinoa, Amaranth), and fruits, may it be by tradition, may it be by need, when the place they lived in was overhunted and overfished and they had nothing but plants left to eat. They also were smaller, much smaller in body size, and less resistent against illness and disease. The food availabiltiy is one of the two big factors, most likely, that determined the fate of of tribal movings out of old, established living places, or their sudden disappearance, this is also true for tribes in Northern America. The other big factor was of course sweet water availability, and the impact of multiple years of droughts.

Du bist was Du isst. - Quelle surprise!

[Buddahaid]

Maybe because Trump doesn't hire people according to skin color like the racist democrats. And what about Ben Carson and Jerome Adams, are they not black enough for you?

Sure looks like he does.

[August]

Sure looks like he does.

Only if you ignore Carson and Adams I guess.

You know, ignoring people because of the color of their skin is pretty racist. :up:

[Onkel Neal]

Maybe because Trump doesn't hire people according to skin color like the racist democrats. And what about Ben Carson and Jerome Adams, are they not black enough for you?

True, and if Harris had been a white man, she would not have been Biden's VP pick. He wanted glory for getting a colored woman, regardless of her abilities. That's pretty racist right there.

[Buddahaid]

Fair enough but be prepared to be surprised.

[Rockstar]

Fair enough but be prepared to be surprised.

What, is Schiff finally going to reveal the secret evidence?

[Eichhörnchen]

@ Buddababy:

^ :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

[mapuc]

True, and if Harris had been a white man, she would not have been Biden's VP pick. He wanted glory for getting a colored woman, regardless of her abilities. That's pretty racist right there.

And I who thought he picked her as his VP for her political skills and not for her skin colour.

Markus

[Rockstar]

And I who thought he picked her as his VP for her political skills and not for her skin colour.

Markus

Biden picked Harris as his running-mate back in 2020 mainly because of the elaborate system of identity patronage that now governs Democratic Party decision-making.

Make no mistake, she is the DEI candidate. Given the importance of African American voters to his campaign, Biden was bound to have a black running-mate and committed himself early to picking a “woman of color.”

Democrats Reap What They Sowed

AYAAN HIRSI ALI
JUL 22, 2024

https://www.restorationbulletin.com/p/democrats-reap-what-they-sowed

President Joe Biden has announced that he is withdrawing his candidacy for re-election. Other incumbents have thrown in the towel, opting not to seek re-election, most recently Lyndon Johnson in 1968. But never has the towel been thrown in so late in the election cycle.

Biden’s exit brings to a close a tumultuous three weeks, during which the beleaguered President could not catch a break. Ever since his disaster of a performance at the CNN debate with Donald Trump in Atlanta on June 27, he has been unable to escape withering media and public scrutiny over the fact that he was simply too old to run for re-election. From the very first moment he shuffled across the stage—a walk he reportedly practiced several times—the full extent of his decrepitude was visible for all to see. Not even the failed assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump’s life eight days ago was enough to deflect attention from Biden’s frailty. Biden had a mere 48 hours of reprieve before the media hounds resumed their hunt. Indeed, it is doubtful that the events of last weekend interrupted for more than a few moments the campaign within the Democratic Party’s donor elite to force Biden to step down.

It's unclear what will happen next. Biden has already endorsed his Vice-President, Kamala Harris, to replace him at the head of the Democratic Party ticket. But former President Barack Obama conspicuously did not endorse Harris. “We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead,” he wrote in a statement released shortly after Biden’s. “But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges.” We may therefore be about to witness a full-on liberal civil war heading into the Democratic National Convention.

You can see why Obama wants the party to keep its options open. It’s not immediately obvious what benefit over Biden that Kamala brings to the ticket aside from her youth. The most recent polling since last weekend suggests she would in fact do worse than Biden against Trump. Biden picked Harris as his running-mate back in 2020 mainly because of the elaborate system of identity patronage that now governs Democratic Party decision-making. Make no mistake, she is the DEI candidate. Given the importance of African American voters to his campaign, Biden was bound to have a black running-mate and committed himself early to picking a “woman of color.”

If the Democratic elite is ruthless enough to bully a sitting president off the party ticket, then why not go all the way? If they dump Kamala, too, and substitute a superior candidate, they might still defeat Trump in November. After all, it was Biden, not Harris, who won the overwhelming share of votes in the Democratic primary. Now that democracy is out the window, Democrats are free to select whomever they want.

How Did We Get Here?

President Biden’s mental and physical decline was not classified information. Whatever your preferred diagnosis, it was obvious to anyone with eyes to see. At press conferences, public events, and speeches, the President slurred his words, made an uncountable number of gaffes and mistakes, and sometimes seemed to struggle even to read off a teleprompter. The public was repeatedly handed feeble excuses, such as his lifelong stutter, or jetlag.

The political crisis now roiling the Democrats is a disaster of their own creation. It was not so much a conspiracy to cover up the extent of Biden’s senility. It was more a strange act of collective self-delusion.

The White House certainly attempted a cover-up. In the aftermath of the debate, White House correspondents revealed they were “gas[lit]” and “bull[ied]” by the administration for pursuing the issue of Biden’s age in 2022 and 2023. White House staffers would “lose their minds,” “go ballistic,” or accuse reporters of contributing “to the downfall of the American Republic,” if they pushed the age question, three different reporters told Vox. Aides would also complain to the editorial boards of outlets that did run stories on the subject. The crowning moment came when the Wall Street Journal published a large exposé with dozens of interviews detailing the behind-the-scenes perception of Biden’s decline. The White House exploded. Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Bates pilloried the Journal, tweeting hysterical refutations of the story 74 times. Less than a month later, the Journal was vindicated.

The same harsh treatment was extended to members of the party who stepped out of line. After the debate, one CNN reporter recounted, on air, a conversation she had with a Democrat official, who said, “Everyone who expresses any level of suspicion or contrary views, they call everyone, and they beat the **** out of them and say stay on message.”

We shouldn’t cut the Democrats or their lackeys in the media any slack. Whether it was the result of tacit bias, private political loyalties, or a pervasive atmospheric progressivism, the press mostly went along with the campaign to protect the President from scrutiny and delude the public.

MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough deserves the gold medal in this respect. He took to his widely listened “Morning Joe” show to lampoon the Journal story, calling it a “Trump hit piece on Joe Biden.” In March, Scarborough also said, “I undersold [Biden] when I said he was cogent. He's far beyond cogent.” Scarborough then uttered what must go down as the most risible sentence in the whole campaign cycle: “This version of Biden intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever.” Only since the debate has Scarborough publicly called on Biden to drop out of the race.

“I think the press, most of the White House press, did suffer from a bit of lack of curiosity,” one White House reporter said. “The right-wing media was calling him senile from day one, and that wasn’t true,” another reporter said. “Then whenever you report on the age you were in some ways solidifying, giving credence to some people that were actually of bad faith.” Rank partisanship blinded the media from spotting what has turned out to be the biggest scandal of the decade.

Democratic politicians also covered for Biden. These are people who knew perfectly well the extent of Biden’s decline and refused to come forward until it was too late. Just last week, Massachusetts Representative Seth Moulton recounted in an opinion piece how Biden, a longtime friend of his, didn’t even recognize him at the 80th anniversary of D-Day. This is the same D-Day anniversary from which clips emerged of Biden seemingly wandering off into the distance as if confused. The media and the White House called this and other clips like it “cheap fakes” and trotted out the familiar “experts say” claim that Republicans were engaging in a disinformation campaign.

Perhaps the most obstinate group was Biden’s core of loyal liberal supporters who relentlessly bullied anyone who drew attention to the President’s frailty, even after the debate. This group of devoted partisans feel deeply betrayed by the press’s newfound interest in Biden’s age. Whether they will say it or not, the liberal base believes deeply that the media are an instrument of their will and thus have a moral obligation only to report on Trump’s age, mental acuity, or threat to “our democracy.”

One reporter at Vox shared how “every time I appear on CNN or the BBC to discuss the Democratic Party’s post-debate state of crisis, I get messages from liberal viewers who believe I’m helping hand the election to Trump.” Now that Biden has withdrawn from the race, these frenzied liberal boosters, eager to shout foul play, remind me of the Japanese soldiers on remote Pacific islands who continued fighting long after the war in the Pacific had ended.

The important takeaway from Biden’s withdrawal is that the entire establishment lied. They lied to us about Biden’s health, they kept lying, and many of them lied until the very last moment. Each group — the White House, the press, the politicians, and the liberal base — played the game, punishing anyone who dared step out of line. They held fast to the lie they had told, I suspect, because they knew the lie implicated them as well. It would be one matter if the debate was the first rupture in the Biden team’s narrative, but it wasn’t. Everyone outside the liberal bubble knew that Biden had experienced a sharp mental and physical decline since the start of his Presidency, the only question most people had was “how much?”

But America is not a police state and so this campaign of press intimidation was doomed eventually to fail. After the debate in June—an event instigated by the liberal network CNN—the dam broke. The question is, “Why?” It was surely not just because Biden’s performance was especially bad.

It is worth pondering this point because I think it explains why the media was the first to turn against Biden, and overwhelmingly so. A coverup of this magnitude is a generational scandal. The White House was planning to slide Biden through the primary, lock up the votes, and win the nomination at the Democratic National Convention before anyone could challenge him. In one swoop, the debate showed just how far the lie had gone. People expect politicians to lie, but the press is supposed to be the arbiter of facts, the first author of history, the voice speaking truth to power. Republicans haven’t believed in such self-indulgent, onanistic shibboleths for decades, but Democrats do. Democrats are, of course, the backbone of the entire establishment regime. If they lost their blind faith in the media, then it’s game over for the Joe Scarboroughs of the world. To salvage the situation, the media had to throw Joe Biden to the wolves.”

But there is more going on here than a revolt by liberal journalists against their would-be controllers. What we have witnessed in the weeks since the debate has been a factional struggle within the Democratic Party that has pitted San Francisco against Aspen, Chicago against the Hamptons.

What Next?

I do not generally believe in the capacity of the Democratic Party to do soul-searching, but perhaps a crisis of this magnitude will force them to look within themselves. Here are some of my suggestions for what they should do between now and November.

First, tough questions must be asked. No politician was closer to Biden than Kamala Harris. If Harris really is going to succeed Biden on the ballot, then the press needs to grill her. What did she know about the President’s health and when did she know it? Was she involved in meetings with White House doctors? Did she believe the President was fit to serve? If Harris knew about the President’s decline long before this weekend, then she is equally unfit to lead the country. She was a co-conspirator in the attempted cover-up.

Second, there needs to be a swift public discussion about whether Biden is fit to remain in office. To be clear, if a sitting President is not well enough to run for re-election, then he is not well enough to serve out the remaining six months before that second term would begin. Perhaps he is remaining in office to give Harris the leeway to campaign aggressively. If so, this is tantamount to sacrificing the competent administration of the country for her campaign. If Biden is out to lunch, and Harris is on the campaign trail, then who is running the country?

Third, swapping Joe for Kamala may or may not be a prudent move electorally, but it is hardly democratic. Even at this late juncture, Democrats deserve an opportunity to pick their candidate. An old-style open convention would be the appropriate way for Democratic delegates of all stripes to ditch the identity politics that put them in this bind in the first place. Nate Silver, a brilliant and moderate Democrat, has made some excellent recommendations as to how this could happen. There could be a debate or series of debates between a handful of candidates to make their case to the public. Democrats could pick a small number of states to host a non-binding caucus, the vote from which would help delegates gauge public opinion.

It is hard to believe that such a process would go smoothly. Indeed, there is a risk that the party might publicly tear itself apart. On the other hand, there is also a chance that the old methods might deliver a better ticket than the rigged conventions of recent years. Now the Democrats, too, can (to borrow the other side’s new slogan) “Fight! Fight! Fight!” With one another.

Joe Biden’s bid for a second term lasted 24 days after his fateful debate in Atlanta. Another 29 days lie between us and the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. No one can say for sure what will happen next. But one thing is certain. The Democratic Party’s strange conspiracy of self-deception, which a generation of spineless liberal journalists aided and abetted, is over. No matter the outcome, do not pity the Democrats.

They did this to themselves.

[mapuc]

Thank you Rockstar

So you could say the Dems are in their midlife crisis

Markus

[Rockstar]

Thank you Rockstar

So you could say the Dems are in their midlife crisis

Markus

I don’t know about it being a mid life crisis but they sure as hell screwed themselves and this country up for awhile now.

I certainly hope you read the entire article because I think she hit the nail on the head.

The important takeaway from Biden’s withdrawal is that the entire establishment lied. They lied to us about Biden’s health, they kept lying, and many of them lied until the very last moment. Each group — the White House, the press, the politicians, and the liberal base — played the game, punishing anyone who dared step out of line. They held fast to the lie they had told, I suspect, because they knew the lie implicated them as well. It would be one matter if the debate was the first rupture in the Biden team’s narrative, but it wasn’t. Everyone outside the liberal bubble knew that Biden had experienced a sharp mental and physical decline since the start of his Presidency, the only question most people had was “how much?” - AYAAN HIRSI ALI

[August]

Fair enough but be prepared to be surprised.


Surprised like you were that not only did Trump show up to the debate when you claimed that he would not dare to, that your boy Biden would stumble so badly for all the world to see, confirming what people have been saying about him ever since he took office?

[mapuc]

I don’t know about it being a mid life crisis but they sure as hell screwed themselves and this country up for awhile now.

I certainly hope you read the entire article because I think she hit the nail on the head.


Only a few lines here and there and there and the entire first, second and third paragraph

Going to be interesting to follow them closely, here in our US-politics and on CNN, Sky News and other foreign news provider.

Reply to your editing
it made me recall Emperor's new cloth.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Fair enough but be prepared to be surprised.

If you're referring to being surprised by Harris winning the election, i won't be totally surprised, She's a better candidate than biden.

[em2nought]

If you're referring to being surprised by Harris winning the election, i won't be totally surprised, She's a better candidate than biden.

I guess she won't get blamed for being the border czar since she never really even showed up for the job. :har:

In that same vein, and because she's now secretly the darling of the left, this chick might be a good choice as VP. It's even apropos that she has the word "cheat" in her name. :D

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com%2Fimage%2Fupload%2Ft_fit-760w%2Cf_auto%2Cq_auto%3Abest%2Frockcms%2F2024-07%2F240722-Kimberly-Cheatle-ew-901a-8eacf9.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0d27a08a7a421ba678ed854b0605392626214b5948e6e1 4bc27282444e2ef4a8&ipo=images

[Jimbuna]

If you're referring to being surprised by Harris winning the election, i won't be totally surprised, She's a better candidate than biden.

Most definitely :yep:

[Skybird]

Media report Harris has collected enough Democrats' support to fetch the nomination for sure.

I make no predictions on this election then.

With Biden I was sure at the end that Trump would gain a landslide win. With Harris, I have no clue. She is not popular in the population, but many people will weigh between what they perceive as two evils. Which is the lesser one, who will do better with the economy? Harris is said to be quite lefty and opportunistically leaning towards the climate policy camp. Thats two biggies that may keep many people away. She also has sued the oil industry as state attorney. As vice president she was practically non-existent, Biden did not gave her any responsibilities that would have given her opportunity to form a profile. Hard for me to tell whether that was lack of opportunity or lack of ability. We will see, now that she must go on the offensive. To me she behaves too much like a streamlined media star from a TV series, but then, most politicians in the US seem to be like that. Not my mug of coffee.

Harris has two advantages however where she outskills both Trump and Biden: Climbing stairs and speaking fluently in complete sentences.:D


If Trump looses in Novembre, I see realistic risks for what would follow then. From riots and violence, even armed riots in the streets, to endless legal and formal straddles from the Trumpists. Heck there are more firearms in the US than there are people. In my book Trump has behaved as and motivated for calling his mobs to storm the capitol. I give not even garbage for what the - biased - court says. People died. He lies about the last election until today. People beleive his lies until today. He transfigured himself into a pseudo-religious figure, a messiah, posed as saint. People were moved to tears in their inner hearts, we saw the pictures form the convention's audience. As a psychologist and a perosn ingerested in history lessons, all my alarm bells are ringing when seeing this kind of mass behaviour. This is an utmost toxic mix of mass psychology, and in case of loosing the election: hurt narcissism, feelings of betrayed hopes and the crash of self-definition attempts by linking oneself to a shining messiah's fate. This all could explode, like we often have seen in sectarian movements before, ending in violence and tragedy. The parrallels to the psychological mechanisms in sects are obvious for me. And then there are already subtle implications made that Trump also calculates with a formula of "better you vote for me, else this place will go up in flames if you hurt me". He has nothing to loose.

[Onkel Neal]

From Kyle Becker on X
https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1815592073145495913

Think about this: Trump almost gets assassinated.

Days later, Biden has a medical emergency in Vegas requiring "self isolation" at home.

Last public appearance reported to be July 17, when deboarding a plane in Delaware.

In the time since: Trump shows up at the RNC, accepts the GOP nomination.

Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries ramp up pressure campaign to push Biden out.

Leaks abound. WaPo reports Obama not happy with Biden's election chances.

Pelosi starts operation: "Get Joe Out, the Hard Way."

Biden aides Ricchetti, Donilon execute plan to push him out.

Hunter, Jill reportedly have a screaming fest.

A resignation letter with a suspect, digital signature with no official letterhead is issued on X.

White House staff is blindsided. Chief of Staff informs Cabinet, takes over comms.

Endorsements begin: Hillary. Bill. Newsom.

Finally, Obama speaks out: "Joe Biden has been one of America's most consequential presidents..."

Kamala shows up to take over.

Family members Frank and Valerie Biden say that 'health was a factor.'

FEC filings changed. Donations transferred over to her campaign.

Kamala somehow raises $81 million in 24 hours. $81 MILLION.

Kamala reportedly gets the delegates to be the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

Joe Biden hasn't been seen in public *the whole time.*

How is this not a COUP?


Have to admit, this is way past crazy. Surpasses the Bush/Gore mess by a mile. Future historians are going to make a career on this.

Also:
"We do not have radio communications from that day."

Secret Service Director Kim Cheatle claims that the agency did not keep *ANY* audio recordings from the Trump assassination attempt.

The Secret Service cover-up is *CONFIRMED.*

If true, that's just crazy as hell. No radio comms were saved? Do they usually have recorded radio comms, and they are saved, just not this time??

Something is wrong here...

[Onkel Neal]

Media report Harris has collected enough Democrats' support to fetch the nomination for sure.

I make no predictions on this election then.



Harris has two advantages however where she outskills both Trump and Biden: Climbing stairs and speaking fluently in complete sentences.:D


I wouldn't get carried away with her rhetorical skills, she has her own set of speaking handicaps.:O: Between her and Trump, it's gonna be painful to listen to them.



If Trump looses in Novembre, I see realistic risks for what would follow then. He has nothing to loose.



"Loses", man, not "looses". Lose, not loose.

From riots and violence, even armed riots in the streets, to endless legal and formal straddles from the Trumpists. Heck there are more firearms in the US than there are people. In my book Trump has behaved as and motivated for calling his mobs to storm the capitol. I give not even garbage for what the - biased - court says. People died. He lies about the last election until today. People beleive his lies until today. He transfigured himself into a pseudo-religious figure, a messiah, posed as saint. People were moved to tears in their inner hearts, we saw the pictures form the convention's audience. As a psychologist and a perosn ingerested in history lessons, all my alarm bells are ringing when seeing this kind of mass behaviour. This is an utmost toxic mix of mass psychology, and in case of loosing the election: hurt narcissism, feelings of betrayed hopes and the crash of self-definition attempts by linking oneself to a shining messiah's fate. This all could explode, like we often have seen in sectarian movements before, ending in violence and tragedy. The parrallels to the psychological mechanisms in sects are obvious for me. And then there are already subtle implications made that Trump also calculates with a formula of "better you vote for me, else this place will go up in flames if you hurt me".

It's a very real danger, people are getting fed up with the massive fraud, deception, and corruption in the govt. Rising up is the obligatory response. We've been fed lies by the current administration for 3 years, "Joe is sharp, he's focused, he's a dynamic thinker and decisive leader", when we could see that was bs. Then in a matter of days it was "Time to step down, Joe".

He lies about the last election until today. People beleive his lies until today.

Not accurate, he isn't lying, he is voicing his opinion. He contends there was tinkering with the election and the result. I have not seen any proof that he is right but I also have seen zero proof the election was legitimate. When I think of all the gaslighting and fake allegations -- "Russiagate, insurrection, collusion, sham criminal trials, etc" that Trumpo has had to endure, I am not ruling out the election was rigged. I'm not saying I know it was, but these days that doesn't seem impossible.

We were told the laptop was fake. It wasn't. We were told we cannot talk about the origins of Covid, it was a fish market. Not true. And now with this crazy assassination attempt and the Secret Service coverup... maybe the election was rigged.

[Skybird]

From Kyle Becker on X
https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1815592073145495913

Have to admit, this is way past crazy. Surpasses the Bush/Gore mess by a mile. Future historians are going to make a career on this.

Also:

If true, that's just crazy as hell. No radio comms were saved? Do they usually have recorded radio comms, and they are saved, just not this time??

Something is wrong here...
Roman Praetorians coming to mind... :o

[mapuc]

Reading the latest comment here made me think of Shakespeare and following line from Hamlet

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark(translated to=Something is rotten in the United States of America)

Markus

[Shadowblade]

https://i.ibb.co/jwg8gLw/byeden-33.jpg

[Rockstar]

If true, that's just crazy as hell. No radio comms were saved? Do they usually have recorded radio comms, and they are saved, just not this time??

Something is wrong here...


I was part of a seaside security detail for President Bush and given a radio that was somehow tied into Secret Service network to pass along any potential problems we encountered. The damn thing didn't work, we called our base on vhf working channel to let them know and they couldn’t get in touch with anyone to see about correcting the problem. We sat out there all night, all we had to notify someone of a threat was if we lit them up with our M60s. :arrgh!:

During counter narcotic ops some higher up out of area up nit wit wanted position checks every 15 minute. Radio comms worked great! Yet us D7 grunts knew full well the bad guys had our frequencies because it’s public knowledge and even though our voice comms were encrypted they could still DF the signal with the dozens of towers they operated around the islands.

Then there was joint ops with Customs. They had Satcom all we had was HF radio so once we departed the dock we couldn’t speak or coordinate intercepts with one another.

There’s always something wrong with government operations. Especially Inter-agency comms and cooperation is usually a mess.

[em2nought]

If Tom Clancy was still around he could make an awesome book from all of this.

Maybe we should start a gofundme to buy the secret service some whistles? :har:

[Jimbuna]

Looking forward to seeing Trump and Harris debate in public but I doubt that will happen.

[ET2SN]

Well, this just became a little more personal. :yep:

Long story short, I just got a call from the Neuro unit at the VA to tell me my MS Doc decided to retire and (once again) they no longer have an MS specialist on staff. They mostly hinted that the bozo's in D.C. are wanting to defund the VA again and farm all of us out to the private sector. :doh:

Without naming the party who wants this (and never mind what this would do to the US military) do me a favor and vote for the lady and her party this November. :yep:

This isn't "I heard it from some guy who read it on Bing" or some boiler room propaganda hoo-hah. This is real life. MY life.. and all the other Vets who rely on the VA. I really wish I was making this up, unfortunately it really is true.

:k_confused:

[Shadowblade]

Great that Kimberly Cheatle resigned. :up:
That assassination attempt was serious fail.

[Jimbuna]

Well, this just became a little more personal. :yep:

Long story short, I just got a call from the Neuro unit at the VA to tell me my MS Doc decided to retire and (once again) they no longer have an MS specialist on staff. They mostly hinted that the bozo's in D.C. are wanting to defund the VA again and farm all of us out to the private sector. :doh:

Without naming the party who wants this (and never mind what this would do to the US military) do me a favor and vote for the lady and her party this November. :yep:

This isn't "I heard it from some guy who read it on Bing" or some boiler room propaganda hoo-hah. This is real life. MY life.. and all the other Vets who rely on the VA. I really wish I was making this up, unfortunately it really is true.

:k_confused:

Really saddens me to learn of this mate and despite the fact I am unable to vote I wish you every success.

[Rockstar]

Well, this just became a little more personal. :yep:

Long story short, I just got a call from the Neuro unit at the VA to tell me my MS Doc decided to retire and (once again) they no longer have an MS specialist on staff. They mostly hinted that the bozo's in D.C. are wanting to defund the VA again and farm all of us out to the private sector. :doh:

Without naming the party who wants this (and never mind what this would do to the US military) do me a favor and vote for the lady and her party this November. :yep:

This isn't "I heard it from some guy who read it on Bing" or some boiler room propaganda hoo-hah. This is real life. MY life.. and all the other Vets who rely on the VA. I really wish I was making this up, unfortunately it really is true.

:k_confused:

Won’t argue against your firsthand communication with the VA Neuro Unit. But you should know the last I read VA funding cuts are a bipartisan effort.

Also Im still on TriCare for retirees and I am extremely satisfied with the medical practices on the ‘outside’.

The ‘lady’ could request a gazillion billion trillion extra dollars but there is no guarantee any of it would address your needs. For that to happen you should write your congressman and inform them what your specific needs are. You never know, you might find your representative could divert the dollars today. Sittin’ on your arse feeling sorry for yourself hoping someone drops a dollar or two the hat is no way to go through life.

[em2nought]

That assassination attempt was serious fail.

Depends on which side you favor. :03:

[Buddahaid]

Depends on which side you favor. :03:

No, it doesn't.

[Shadowblade]

Depends on which side you favor. :03:


I mean the fail for Secret Service ofc.

[August]

Well, this just became a little more personal. :yep:

Long story short, I just got a call from the Neuro unit at the VA to tell me my MS Doc decided to retire and (once again) they no longer have an MS specialist on staff. They mostly hinted that the bozo's in D.C. are wanting to defund the VA again and farm all of us out to the private sector. :doh:

Without naming the party who wants this (and never mind what this would do to the US military) do me a favor and vote for the lady and her party this November. :yep:

This isn't "I heard it from some guy who read it on Bing" or some boiler room propaganda hoo-hah. This is real life. MY life.. and all the other Vets who rely on the VA. I really wish I was making this up, unfortunately it really is true.

:k_confused:
If that is true then I would think you'd want to vote for President Trump over the "Substitute Cackler" since, unlike her party of statist do nothings, he actually helped the VA considerably when he was in office. Look up the Mission Act of 2018.

[AVGWarhawk]

Looking forward to seeing Trump and Harris debate in public but I doubt that will happen.

Not going to happen. The Dems pulled a fast one. They knew Biden's cognitive decline was going on for a very long time. They covered it up. The debates are held AFTER the nominations are conducted. A week long affair of Democrats and Republicans circling the wagons around their nominee. NOT this time. The debate as set BEFORE Biden was nominated officially. They knew he would probably tank and be the best time to pull him. How nice it was 5 weeks before the DNC for nomination is to be held. Enough time to push Harris as the nominee. Get her name out there. Pretend she is qualified. They pissed on 15 millions votes for Biden. They disregarded the will of the people.

Any type of "election" based on votes is now null and void from this point on. They Dems did what the wanted. Voting public means nothing. Yet they claim they are the champions of Democracy. What a crock of crap.

Understand Trump agreed to debate Biden. Not Harris. He does not have to show up to the debate that he did not agree on.

Too add, the sexism, racism agenda is already being peddled. Qualifications mean nothing. Harris had one job in the past four years. One!!! Clean up the border between Mexico and the US. She did NOTHING.

[Dowly]

Conservatives: BIDEN'S SENILE AND UNFIT TO SERVE!!!


*Biden drops out*


Conservatives: YOU CAN'T DO THAT!! COUP!! COUP!! COUP!!!111

[Rockstar]

Conservatives: BIDEN'S SENILE AND UNFIT TO SERVE!!!


*Biden drops out*


Conservatives: YOU CAN'T DO THAT!! COUP!! COUP!! COUP!!!111

And Finland’s government is populated with known racists & neo nazis.

[AVGWarhawk]

Conservatives: BIDEN'S SENILE AND UNFIT TO SERVE!!!


*Biden drops out*


Conservatives: YOU CAN'T DO THAT!! COUP!! COUP!! COUP!!!111

Think about it, the Republicans were played. Hook, line and sinker. However, the Dems played themselves. If they did not push Harris to be the nominee they would be seen as sexist and racist. They corned themselves as well. Harris is not electable.

[August]

Think about it, the Republicans were played. Hook, line and sinker. However, the Dems played themselves. If they did not push Harris to be the nominee they would be seen as sexist and racist. They corned themselves as well. Harris is not electable.

And Biden, who both parties agree is senile and unfit to serve, still continues to serve and will continue to serve as POTUS for the next 6 months, regardless of who wins the election in November, while his Veep is appointed as his heir without a single vote to back it up.

But she isn't a lock yet either. The party elite may decide to dump her for someone else if her poll numbers do not improve in the next few weeks. :03:

[AVGWarhawk]

And Biden, who both parties agree is senile and unfit to serve, still continues to serve and will continue to serve as POTUS for the next 6 months, regardless of who wins the election in November, while his Veep is appointed as his heir without a single vote to back it up.

But she isn't a lock yet either. The party elite may decide to dump her for someone else if her poll numbers do not improve in the next few weeks. :03:

As such Harris as the VP needs to exercise the 25th amendment. It's part of her job. But putting in Harris as president now will result in executive order after executive order demanded by Pelosi and crew. Biden was a puppet. Harris is even more of a puppet

She can be replaced, yes. But it is more pissing on the voters. Even BLM is upset with what is going on. Crazy!

[mapuc]

But she isn't a lock yet either. The party elite may decide to dump her for someone else if her poll numbers do not improve in the next few weeks. :03:

They may very well do so-If they can convince Michelle Obama to run for office-Right now she is zero interested. A poll showed 50-39 % in her favour over Trump.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Not going to happen. The Dems pulled a fast one. They knew Biden's cognitive decline was going on for a very long time. They covered it up. The debates are held AFTER the nominations are conducted. A week long affair of Democrats and Republicans circling the wagons around their nominee. NOT this time. The debate as set BEFORE Biden was nominated officially. They knew he would probably tank and be the best time to pull him. How nice it was 5 weeks before the DNC for nomination is to be held. Enough time to push Harris as the nominee. Get her name out there. Pretend she is qualified. They pissed on 15 millions votes for Biden. They disregarded the will of the people.

Any type of "election" based on votes is now null and void from this point on. They Dems did what the wanted. Voting public means nothing. Yet they claim they are the champions of Democracy. What a crock of crap.

Understand Trump agreed to debate Biden. Not Harris. He does not have to show up to the debate that he did not agree on.

Too add, the sexism, racism agenda is already being peddled. Qualifications mean nothing. Harris had one job in the past four years. One!!! Clean up the border between Mexico and the US. She did NOTHING.

And yet there was nothing illegal about it and Biden was still a presumptive candidate.

[AVGWarhawk]

And yet there was nothing illegal about it and Biden was still a presumptive candidate.

Yes, true. Not illegal. But damn crafty and wrong for the common voter. They don't care about democracy .
Power is all they care about. Biden is not the candidate. He has withdrawn.

[Onkel Neal]

Conservatives: BIDEN'S SENILE AND UNFIT TO SERVE!!!


*Biden drops out*


Conservatives: YOU CAN'T DO THAT!! COUP!! COUP!! COUP!!!111

Oh, we don't say they can't do that, but we do know it's really unethical to lie, lie, lie about Biden's mental fitness--especially after 3 years of blatant evidence--and then presto! without any delegates discussing it, Harris is the new nominee. Remember, this happened in 2020 as well. :hmmm:

[em2nought]

Two can play this game. J.D. Vance decides for personal reasons that he can no longer fulfill the role of VP, and Tim Scott steps into the role. :up:

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/SvZX7m1mot0

[Buddahaid]

Really. Wah, wah, wah....

[Rockstar]

Ya know if Democrats are willing to rig their own party’s election. It stands to reason they would do their damndest to rig a national election too.

The new Democrat motto: we must destroy democracy to save it. :yep::yep::yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

Ya know if Democrats are willing to rig their own party’s election. It stands to reason they would do their damndest rig a national election too.

The Democrat motto: we must destroy democracy to save it. :yep::yep::yep:


They have rigged elections. Mail in ballots for starters. No ID required to vote. In fact, I received 4 mail in ballots at my home. Two are for my daughters who don't live with me and the missus. I could very easily voted for them and the candidate of my choice.

My BIL went to vote and was advised he already voted. Someone else stole his vote. It's a shame.

Democracy is dead.

[Rockstar]

They have rigged elections. Mail in ballots for starters. No ID required to vote. In fact, I received 4 mail in ballots at my home. Two are for my daughters who don't live with me and the missus. I could very easily voted for them and the candidate of my choice.

My BIL went to vote and was advised he already voted. Someone else stole his vote. It's a shame.

Democracy is dead.

Kimberly Zapata placed herself in jeopardy to prove that.

[AVGWarhawk]

Kimberly Zapata placed herself in jeopardy to prove that.

Imagine that. Elections are wide open for fraud.

[mapuc]

Isn't there any control and backup control of the voter. ?

It shouldn't be possible to do those things you just mentioned.

No wonder people is saying that the last election was rigged

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Isn't there any control and backup control of the voter. ?

It shouldn't be possible to do those things you just mentioned.

No wonder people is saying that the last election was rigged

Markus

No. No control. Ballots for people who died are getting mailed. Also, we did not request mail in ballots. These are sent automatically. We got 4 ballots for our local elections. I could have voted with all 4.

The last election had a bunch of "irregularities".

[mapuc]

I know you American love freedom even when it comes personal matter or a national security number connected to each citizens in USA would be good thing to prevent voter fraud.

Like we here in Scandinavia have our personal security number(CPR in Danish) the first 6 indicate which day, month and year your were born the last 4 is a kind of control numbers.

Markus

[Skybird]

Aother poll, this time by Reuters, has Trump trailing Harris by two points. This does not mean anything since the error margin was three points, in an earlier poll, the lead by Harris too was two points and the error margin even four points. So it could as well be that Trump leads over Harris.

What it really means is that the race now is completely open and they are both on a par. Trumps plan collapsed, it was designed to obliterate a tired Biden. He needs a new one. His campaign managers maybe are close to a panic right now. Biden dropping out is a worst case scenario for them.

Harris' donations received since the announcement now are some say 80+ millions, others say 100+ millions.

This is no longer the self-runner that Trump expected.

[AVGWarhawk]

I know you American love freedom even when it comes personal matter or a national security number connected to each citizens in USA would be good thing to prevent voter fraud.

Like we here in Scandinavia have our personal security number(CPR in Danish) the first 6 indicate which day, month and year your were born the last 4 is a kind of control numbers.

Markus

Voter ID would stop it. There was a time a voter ID was required. It was deemed discrimintory.

[AVGWarhawk]

Aother poll, this time by Reuters, has Trump trailing Harris by two points. This does not mean anything since the error margin was three points, in an earlier poll, the lead by Harris too was two points and the error margin even four points. So it could as well be that Trump leads over Harris.

What it really means is that the race now is completely open and they are both on a par. Trumps plan collapsed, it was designed to obliterate a tired Biden. He needs a new one. His campaign managers maybe are close to a panic right now. Biden dropping out is a worst case scenario for them.

Harris' donations received since the announcement now are some say 80+ millions, others say 100+ millions.

This is no longer the self-runner that Trump expected.

Polls mean nothing when elections are rigged. She is the talk of today. The Democrats are reinvigorated. By next week she will be news fodder. She is an idiot. Nevermind they sent an old man packing. The old man that was selected in the primary. The old man tossed aside because the loss of power was at hand. They don't care about Joe. They certainly don't care about democracy. And, if they a capable enough to push out Biden against the will of the voter, they are capable of rigging an election.

[Rockstar]

Aother poll, this time by Reuters, has Trump trailing Harris by two points. This does not mean anything since the error margin was three points, in an earlier poll, the lead by Harris too was two points and the error margin even four points. So it could as well be that Trump leads over Harris.

What it really means is that the race now is completely open and they are both on a par. Trumps plan collapsed, it was designed to obliterate a tired Biden. He needs a new one. His campaign managers maybe are close to a panic right now. Biden dropping out is a worst case scenario for them.

Harris' donations received since the announcement now are some say 80+ millions, others say 100+ millions.

This is no longer the self-runner that Trump expected.

I saw the poll. There are a few good polls, Siena is probably the most accurate. But Ipsos? When it comes to U.S. or even French politics it’s meaningless.

You could look at the opinions posted here and get better data than ipsos

[MaDef]

I know you American love freedom even when it comes personal matter or a national security number connected to each citizens in USA would be good thing to prevent voter fraud.

Like we here in Scandinavia have our personal security number(CPR in Danish) the first 6 indicate which day, month and year your were born the last 4 is a kind of control numbers.

MarkusEvery U.S. citizen is issued a unique Social Security Number at birth

[August]

Every U.S. citizen is issued a unique Social Security Number at birth


You used to have to apply for one when you became old enough to work. I remember my dad taking me down to the SS office to get my number when I was in my early teens.

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/wh0oA5P26x4

[August]

If you want an idea as to why the intelligence community hates Trump so much then watch this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmgZM-GrNEg

[Jimbuna]

Voter ID would stop it. There was a time a voter ID was required. It was deemed discrimintory.

You need Photo ID here in the UK and it seems to work pretty well.

https://www.gov.uk/how-to-vote/photo-id-youll-need

[Skybird]

I saw the poll. There are a few good polls, Siena is probably the most accurate. But Ipsos? When it comes to U.S. or even French politics it’s meaningless.

You could look at the opinions posted here and get better data than ipsosI gave you the error margins. Not better, not worse. According to both polls, any leads claimed are meaningless currently, both candidates are on a par. Conclusions on chances cannot be drawn.I posted the polls only to show that the so far almost dead race is no longer a dead race. Against Biden I would have taken a Trump victory for granted, and at the end even with a landslide victory. This is no more the case. Many will vote for Harris, with fists in their pockets maybe, but still do it, just so to prevent Trump. Like Trump versus Clinton, just the other way around.

[Skybird]

About Harris. True, untrue?

https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/was_sie_heute_garantiert_nicht_ueber_kamala_harris _lesen_werden?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de