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Exactly, so what is the disconnect? If a woman is going to have sex, then she is ultimately responsible for getting pregnant. (the one exception is rape).
On the flip side, the man is responsible for the well being of the pregnant mother and after the birth, the baby.
Well then I would suggest the state foot the medical bill, pay the mother compensation, and take responsibility for the child after birth.
Think that would be enough?
Looks like the fat lady hasn't stopped trying to sing.
I'm going to use google translate-This is due to payment page on the English pages.
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Emails reveal Trump's desperation
Five emails now reveal how far Trump would go to undermine the U.S. election result
Emails sent to the US Congress reveal that Donald Trump and his adviser Mark Meadows repeatedly tried to pressure the US Department of Justice to investigate theories of election fraud.
Says the New York Times.(the article is behind payment door)
The five emails were supposed to have been sent from ex-president's special adviser Mark Meadows in the last days of Donald Trump's office as head of the United States.
In the various e-mails, according to the New York Times, he should have tried to pressure the Attorney General Jeffrey, among other things. A Rosen to investigate allegations that Donald Trump had actually won in the state of New Mexico.
Wild theories
Furthermore, the ex-president's adviser wanted Jeffrey A. Rosen to investigate a wild theory that some people in Italy should have used military technology and satellites to tinker with the voting machines around the United States.
More specifically, the theory was that when a voter pressed 'Donald J. Trump', the machine registered 'Joseph R. Biden' instead.
According to the New York Times, these emails show how much energy Donald Trump and his staff put into trying to undermine the outcome of the U.S. election, in which Joe Biden, as you know, ended up winning.
None of the five emails show that Attorney General Jeffrey A. Rosen has in any way succumbed to the ex-president's demands for various investigations, writes the New York Times.
Although the ex-president was not re-elected in the recent presidential election, there are indications that he
expects to be back in the White House by August.
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Article two is about the last sentence in article 1. expects to be back in the White...
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Trump supporter Billionaire Mike Lindell:
Are just waiting for Trump
Pillow billionaire Mike Lindell fertilizes the ground further for a crazy Trump message. Now they are just waiting for the former president
It all started with a story from New York Times journalist Maggie Haberman. She meant to know that Donald Trump right now is walking around expecting to be reinstated as US President by August.
An insane message that is now being revived in an interview with MyPillow owner Mike Lindell, one of the former US president's biggest supporters and multibillionaire.
"If Donald Trump says August, it's probably because he's heard me say it in public," Mike Lindell said in an interview with the Daily Beast.
Also, Trump's former lawyer Sidney Powell, who was allegedly fired by just Trump for being a little too crazy, now supports his former employer.
We are definitely in an unknown area. There are cases where elections have been overturned, but it has never been one at the very top presidential level. However, that does not mean that it can not be done, she says in a video from a strongly right-wing forum on the web.
However, Donald Trump has not announced anything publicly about the wild plans, but according to the New York Times, Donald Trump feels pretty confident that the November election result will soon be overturned so he can occupy the White House again.
Military coup
The idea of an imminent Trump return comes in the wake of a recent conference for supporters of the QAnon conspiracy movement in Dallas.
Here, Donald Trump's former top adviser Michael Flynn recommended that the US military carry out a coup similar to what has happened in Myanmar in order to reinstate Trump.
A statement which he has since had to withdraw.
According to the American media Business Insider, Trump's return has been widely debated in conservative media. Among others, the top executive of the pillow company MyPillow, Mike Lindell, believes that Trump will soon replace Joe Biden in the presidency.
- Donald Trump will be back in August, Lindell says in a podcast with Trump's former senior adviser Steve Bannon.
The Trump camp has repeatedly made allegations of widespread electoral fraud in the presidential election, but none of the subsequent lawsuits have fallen out in favor of those allegations.
It is also completely unthinkable that the 74-year-old Trump will be reinstated as president, but it makes sense for him to keep hope alive, says Kasper Grotle-Rasmusen, associate professor at the Center for American Studies at the University of Southern Denmark.
- In this way, he keeps the memory of himself and his political position alive. He obviously intends to return to politics, and then he will have to see if the circumstances for it are favorable, he says and continues:
Whether he will run in the 2024 election or not is an open question, but he has not left the Republican Party. He is still largely a prominent leader in the party because many follow his particular form of populist conservatism.
At the same time, a date for Trump's return speaks straight into the Qanon conspiracy, Kasper Grotle-Rasmusen explains:
- There's always a new date. There also came this date in January, when the hope was that Mike Pence (former vice president, ed.) Would not formally approve the election result. It subsequently led to the storm at Congress. Then it was thought that something had to happen before Biden's inauguration on 20 January. Now they have a new date again.
- There are parts of the Qanon movement that in many ways are reminiscent of religious sects, where there is a kind of end-horizon, in relation to when the world is going under. It gets jerked when it does not happen. You would think that people would then stop believing in it, but it has simply turned out that they keep buying the story because they want it to be kept alive.
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Scary stuff.
Markus
Skybird
06-05-21, 06:03 PM
No mind without material basis - brain. No brain, no mind. No brain, no awareness of "self" and no awareness of "environment". No signal processing. No brain, no quality of that kind that qulifies a body as a human. Without brian, without mind, a humanoid body is noi human, but just a corpus, dysfunctional, for it is designed for the purpose to serve the needs of the biological basis for a mind. If the biological basis can be replaced as carrier of a mind, then even this basis obviously would not be needed. That this is possible, and that we one day will move opur mind from our biological bodies into lets say ,machinery, is speculation only, and we also have no final answer if this even would be desirable. Not the body makes the human a human. Its his mind. The mind is the criterion.
An important step takes place in the 24th week of pregnancy: Then a group of nerve cell extensions from the diencephalon reaches what will one day be the cerebral cortex. It begins in the so-called thalamus, a switching point that collects, sorts and sends perceptions of our senses to regions that should continue to work with it. Only when these pathways are formed can the child notice what its sensory organs is recording. And react. Before that, information from the body does not reach the cortex at all, and there can actually be nothing that the fetus could perceive as "I".
I fail to see a relevant difference between the backwardedness of militant anti-abortion "activists", and for exmaple Islamic fundamentalists who completely want to own females as lifestock. Both root in anti-feminist, patriarchalic claims for possession of females by males, and patriarchalic hunger for power and control over women. Its primitive, its bigott, its unfair, its feverish religious zealousness. Its emotional irrationality killing ratio and intellect. To its defence, I also think that deep-rooting genetic programming is at play here. Some people can become aware of their genetic preset programs, others cannot. The latter have no chance to escape their preset behaviours, they will always be instinct-driven, and trapped in that. Its not kind to say that, but many of these people are not any kind either, but are quite cruel on mankind, causing a lot of hamr and suffering, thus my uncaring frankness. I take no prisoners on this one.
A clump of cells is not already a human. It takes systematic structure, its takes structural syntax, and these need time to form up.
But some people even go so far as to decry the fate of baby lives not being lived because they have not even been sired. These usually are the same people who want to procreate all life long, and have a dozen of children and more. The logic in this reasoning is so confused and absurd that words fail here.
Perception of the environment. Awareness of "self" and processing and discriminating stimuli, differentiating between "me" and "not me". That is where a clump of cells starts to become a living creature, may it be animal, may it be human (which is in principle also just another animal).
Unrealised potentials, single eggs or sperm cells, speculations about being that could be if only it would be fathered - are no humans, no creatures, no living things. They are just single cells, clumps of cells, or not even that. Nothing. Hypothetical possibilities are just that. If this is not understood, mental sanity sooner or later must necessarily fly out of the window, leaving borderline syndrome, hallucinations, and other mental darknesses behind. Psychotherapeutic manuals are full of descriptions of problems coming from the inability to differentiate functionality between different qualities and quantities of "own" and "other", as well as "real" and "surreal" existence. Its like in a dystopia by Philip Dick. Your world falls apart into ever smaller fragments.
From Eros to Cosmos. From Cosmos to Logos (that is a retranslation of the German title of a main book by Ken Wilber: Sex, Ecology, Spirituality). Always only in this sequence, never any other way. It just does not work in any other sequence. Logos forms up last, not first, the material universe is its basis and precondition.
FireDragon76
06-07-21, 11:53 AM
Are you sure about that?
From Henry Louis Gates Jr's arrest in 2009 to the "Charleston church massacre in 2015", Obama's responses to such incidents did more to foment racial tension, then diffuse it. BLM came to national prominence because of Obama's anemic response to the complaints of the Black community over perceived racial incidents in policing.
Obama had a careful and nuanced position on race in the US. On the other hand, his handling of Wall Street was tone deaf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtroprD6h7A
To those of you who voted Dem(Biden)
Do you feel that your vote have been a failure-
On the election day you may have said to yourself no more Trump and today thinking-Why did I vote Dem(Biden)
Before we had plaque and I voted for cholera.
Or do you feel that Biden is way better than Trump ?
Markus
FireDragon76
06-07-21, 11:14 PM
To those of you who voted Dem(Biden)
Do you feel that your vote have been a failure-
On the election day you may have said to yourself no more Trump and today thinking-Why did I vote Dem(Biden)
Before we had plaque and I voted for cholera.
Or do you feel that Biden is way better than Trump ?
Markus
No, I don't think it's been a failure certainly but I think its a bit early to make a definitive judgement. Biden has been a competent leader so far.
3catcircus
06-08-21, 01:11 PM
No, I don't think it's been a failure certainly but I think its a bit early to make a definitive judgement. Biden has been a competent leader so far.
Competent at hiding from the press and not much else.
Competent at hiding from the press and not much else.
He's right Biden has barely been in the Oval Office for 6 Month.
I should have waited another 18 month before asking.
I don't think you can judge a politician on a so short a term.
Markus
Skybird
06-08-21, 01:56 PM
No scandal, no spectacle, no provocation, no offending, no character assassination. Biden is so boring! Cant we get back some screaming nuts man from the mental asylum's dungeons again? I am gaining weight since I no longer spit my dinner on the TV screen.
3catcircus
06-08-21, 02:18 PM
He's right Biden has barely been in the Oval Office for 6 Month.
I should have waited another 18 month before asking.
I don't think you can judge a politician on a so short a term.
Markus
Why not? The press and leftists certainly judged Trump even before he took office, and, in Biden's case, we have decades of his past performance to go by.
Why not? The press and leftists certainly judged Trump even before he took office, and, in Biden's case, we have decades of his past performance to go by.
How could I forget ...Well then judge Biden, If leftists and the press could do so against Trump-Then go ahead and do the same to Biden.
Markus
Buddahaid
06-08-21, 08:13 PM
No scandal, no spectacle, no provocation, no offending, no character assassination. Biden is so boring! Cant we get back some screaming nuts man from the mental asylum's dungeons again? I am gaining weight since I no longer spit my dinner on the TV screen.
Hmmm, I thought the Repulicans were going to bring him down over the Ukraine.
https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_crop,h_1690,w_3008,x_0,y_310/f_auto,q_auto,w_1100/v1554926226/shape/mentalfloss/istock-145839390.jpg
FireDragon76
06-09-21, 07:02 AM
He's right Biden has barely been in the Oval Office for 6 Month.
I should have waited another 18 month before asking.
I don't think you can judge a politician on a so short a term.
Markus
A president's main job in our style of republic is to be a head of state, a figurehead that represents the nation. In that sense I think Biden has already proven himself better than Trump. Biden also has a relatively warm and congenial personality which is important in such a role.
That Biden chooses to be careful in his speech is a good thing. Right now America needs to tone down divisive rhetoric. Our country has literally been bleeding in the streets and we had one narcisistic man pouring gas on the fire constantly by assigning blame to one segment of society, instead of causing people to reflect on the "better angels of their natures".
FireDragon76
06-09-21, 07:20 AM
Poll: 15-20% of Americans believe in core QAnon conspiracy theories
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2021/05/27/poll--15-20--of-americans-believe-in-core-qanon-conspiracy-theories
Harsh accusation I must say. NO I don't believe a word of it.
What scares me, is the number 15-20 % 1 out of 5 Americans.
Markus
It's entirely believable, unfortunately. The Religious Right in my country primed people to believe this. The standard Dispensationalist view of the Bible, popular in US Fundamentalist circles, is not far from this sort of logic.
After the end of the Cold War, a certain segment of the US started turning away from a science-based worldview. Even if you don't like them, the Soviets had a way of keeping America grounded in something like reality.
Texas Red
06-09-21, 09:27 AM
He's right Biden has barely been in the Oval Office for 6 Month.
I should have waited another 18 month before asking.
I don't think you can judge a politician on a so short a term.
Markus
Yeah I agree 100%. It's like saying a baseball team sucks even though its the first half of the first inning, it's too early to judge them. Who knows? Maybe Biden will pull the US out of it's slump and return it to greatness or maybe he is really loosing his mind and Kamala Harris will have to take over.
FireDragon76
06-09-21, 10:05 AM
Yeah I agree 100%. It's like saying a baseball team sucks even though its the first half of the first inning, it's too early to judge them. Who knows? Maybe Biden will pull the US out of it's slump and return it to greatness or maybe he is really loosing his mind and Kamala Harris will have to take over.
The presidents powers are limited in our system of government, even if the US public consistently blames presidents for the state of the economy. Economic policy is really controlled by Congress. The president only has limited veto power.
The more crucial role for the president is as a diplomat and representative of the country, both to itself and to foreign nations.
3catcircus
06-09-21, 11:27 AM
A president's main job in our style of republic is to be a head of state, a figurehead that represents the nation. In that sense I think Biden has already proven himself better than Trump. Biden also has a relatively warm and congenial personality which is important in such a role.
That Biden chooses to be careful in his speech is a good thing. Right now America needs to tone down divisive rhetoric. Our country has literally been bleeding in the streets and we had one narcisistic man pouring gas on the fire constantly by assigning blame to one segment of society, instead of causing people to reflect on the "better angels of their natures".
You're confusing being careful with his speech with his being hidden away by wranglers to minimize the public seeing his dementia-riddled brain on full display. They're terrified of revealing his incapacity and there are former campaign workers who've attested to having picked up Alzheimer's medication under fake names while other staffers debated which adult diapers he should wear.
Most days, they call a lid on him before noon - it's well-documented that dementia sufferers are close to lucid in the mornings and their faculties decline as the day progresses. We have someone in the presidency who should instead have been committed to a long-term care facility. It was evident by his activities during the campaign and it is evident now.
I'll take a president who sends out mean tweets, while getting four peace deals between Israel and other countries done, gets Kim Jong Un to even come to a negotiating table, terrifies China's economy, and maintains low gas prices every day of the week. Instead we have a dementia sufferer in charge and an incompetent who slept her way to the top as his second in command. They can talk in pleasantries all they like, and all it does is embolden our enemies.
3catcircus
06-09-21, 11:32 AM
Yeah I agree 100%. It's like saying a baseball team sucks even though its the first half of the first inning, it's too early to judge them. Who knows? Maybe Biden will pull the US out of it's slump and return it to greatness or maybe he is really loosing his mind and Kamala Harris will have to take over.
That would be fine if it weren't for the fact that Biden's been in federal government for ***DECADES***. It's the bottom of the eleventy-seventh inning for him. Anyone who has actually paid attention to action rather than talk knows he is a piece of trash from the early days in Congress.
Jimbuna
06-09-21, 11:42 AM
I take it your not a fan then? :)
He's on his way to Europe now and if he can get any one the mainland to stump up their commitment to military spending then he'll be fine by me.
Jimbuna
06-09-21, 11:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE2c9BpG1Gw
3catcircus
06-09-21, 11:54 AM
I take it your not a fan then? :)
He's on his way to Europe now and if he can get any one the mainland to stump up their commitment to military spending then he'll be fine by me.
Getting European pols to say they'll increase spending isn't the same as actually holding them to it - especially when many of them have never spent a sizeable amount on their own defense and instead spend unsustainable amounts on an increasing population of economic refugees.
I'm all for every government taking care of their own citizens' needs before a single penny is sent to any other country. I'm also a proponent of every country having open borders when it comes to emigrants while retaining sovereign control of borders when dealing with immigrants. The lack of border security that results in African and Middle Eastern refugees bypassing "less desirable" European Union states for ones with higher benefits significantly impacts their ability to spend GDP on there own defense needs when illegal aliens or economic refugees swarm in unobstructed and instantly demand aid. This is the same concern as when illegal aliens enter the US or Australia or Canada and apply for benefits, it just has a bigger impact on the smaller European economies.
That would be fine if it weren't for the fact that Biden's been in federal government for ***DECADES***. It's the bottom of the eleventy-seventh inning for him. Anyone who has actually paid attention to action rather than talk knows he is a piece of trash from the early days in Congress.
Can you compare a simple Senator with a President ?
I thought there was some differences.
What has Biden done for USA throughout his political career compared to Trump's not so many years as politicians ?
Markus
3catcircus
06-09-21, 01:06 PM
Can you compare a simple Senator with a President ?
I thought there was some differences.
What has Biden done for USA throughout his political career compared to Trump's not so many years as politicians ?
Markus
What has Biden done?
1. Continued to throw away money on Amtrak.
2. Put more black people in prison.
3. Voted against regulating the credit card industry (they just happened to be his biggest donor).
4. Helped Coke and Pepsi skirt antitrust laws.
5. Opposed desegregation bussing.
6. Voted to cut social security.
7. Used his son's death for his own political gain.
8. Voted to overturn Glass-Steagall
9. Pedophile-esque kid-sniffing/touching behavior deserving of a beating by an angry father.
Want me to continue?
This guy was a scumbag even before entering congress - he cheated in law school by plagiarism - and continued to do it every since (which is why he dropped out of the 1988 race).
^ You don't have to as an outsider from another country I don't follow what your politicians do on daily basis.
I live after the Prime directive Not point fingers at politicians in another country. Not taking active part in the domestik discussion.
But can you compare a Senator with a President ?
Do you think he will continue where he left the Senate ?
Markus
3catcircus
06-09-21, 01:41 PM
^ You don't have to as an outsider from another country I don't follow what your politicians do on daily basis.
I live after the Prime directive Not point fingers at politicians in another country. Not taking active part in the domestik discussion.
But can you compare a Senator with a President ?
Do you think he will continue where he left the Senate ?
Markus
He was vice president under Obama. His corruption continued then when he left the Senate. Now, I think it continues by his brother and son who engage in illegal influence-peddling on his name while he is too dementia-addled to even know where he is and what year it is.
Here I sit in front of my computer thinking.
Was the American so desperate in getting Trump out of the Oval Office that they picked anyone-in this case Joe Biden ?
I'm a little confuse, while our press, some of my friends almost worship Biden, the attitude here in our forums is quite the opposite, with a few exceptions.
Markus
3catcircus
06-09-21, 03:06 PM
Here I sit in front of my computer thinking.
Was the American so desperate in getting Trump out of the Oval Office that they picked anyone-in this case Joe Biden ?
I'm a little confuse, while our press, some of my friends almost worship Biden, the attitude here in our forums is quite the opposite, with a few exceptions.
Markus
I think that talk of stolen elections may be closer to truth than not, given Biden's dismal campaign performance prior to the election, coupled with "the lady doth protest too much" responses to calls for ballot audits. You would think that Democrats would have welcomed the opportunity to prove Trump supporters were eating in their claims of fraud. Instead, they fought tooth and nail to prevent it. Now, we see that officials from multiple other states are closely paying attention to Arizona's audits which are in process. I especially find it troubling that the Maricopa county (Arizona) Democrat party (a private entity) threatened to sue the state of Arizona (whose representatives were duly elected or appointed by Arizona voters) to try and prevent them from auditing the ballots.
^ Interesting comment.
Couldn't it have been so that many of these Americans who voted Biden, usually don't vote, but they did it this time to get Trump out of the White House.
(There was also those-former non-voters who voted Trump)
Markus
Buddahaid
06-09-21, 03:40 PM
Yes. All that sensible bamboo hunting and Italian satellite voting machine flipping. When do we get to leprechauns hiding in voting booths?
FireDragon76
06-10-21, 04:37 AM
You're confusing being careful with his speech with his being hidden away by wranglers to minimize the public seeing his dementia-riddled brain on full display. They're terrified of revealing his incapacity and there are former campaign workers who've attested to having picked up Alzheimer's medication under fake names while other staffers debated which adult diapers he should wear.
Most days, they call a lid on him before noon - it's well-documented that dementia sufferers are close to lucid in the mornings and their faculties decline as the day progresses. We have someone in the presidency who should instead have been committed to a long-term care facility. It was evident by his activities during the campaign and it is evident now.
I'll take a president who sends out mean tweets, while getting four peace deals between Israel and other countries done, gets Kim Jong Un to even come to a negotiating table, terrifies China's economy, and maintains low gas prices every day of the week. Instead we have a dementia sufferer in charge and an incompetent who slept her way to the top as his second in command. They can talk in pleasantries all they like, and all it does is embolden our enemies.
Even if he did have cognitive decline (which wouldn't be unusual for a man of his age), why should that matter? He has advisors around him and some of the best medical care around. We've had presidents with other disabilities before, in fact some of them were the best presidents we have ever had. Ageism and ableism don't exactly resonate with me, being a disabled American myself.
Adult diapers? That's even more low. As Buddha taught, all we have to look forward to is old age, sickness, and death. A little compassion puts those things in perspective. Biden was elected for his character and personality, not his physical prowess or even his ability to have clean underwear. Tinpot dictatorships may peddle in masculine youthful bravado, but the United States doesn't have to.
Biden made it clear he doesn't expect to seek a second term due to his age, people that voted for him knew that going in. He's an interim president to restore a sense of sanity during a crisis.
FireDragon76
06-10-21, 04:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An5qqoqG094
:hmmm:
I like Beau he's a bit of a modern day Smedley Butler. Maybe he can reach some people who aren't exactly going to pick up the Washington Post or delve into Chomsky, because they aren't part of that "tribe".
Rockstar
06-10-21, 06:03 AM
Even if he did have cognitive decline (which wouldn't be unusual for a man of his age), why should that matter? He has advisors around him and some of the best medical care around. We've had presidents with other disabilities before, in fact some of them were the best presidents we have ever had. Ageism and ableism don't exactly resonate with me, being a disabled American myself.
Why should it matter? Because advisors are not on the ballot. People did not vote for nameless advisors. Nobody cares if you have a disability either, deal with it. Propping up a candidate who may not have the mental faculty to perform his duties is just another prime example of placing party before nation.
Would you let an alzhemiers patient drive your car? Hell no you wouldn't stop pretending running a nation is so much easier.
FireDragon76
06-10-21, 06:44 AM
Why should it matter? Because advisors are not on the ballot. People did not vote for nameless advisors. Nobody cares if you have a disability either, deal with it. Propping up a candidate who may not have the mental faculty to perform his duties is just another prime example of placing party before nation.
Would you let an alzhemiers patient drive your car? Hell no you wouldn't stop pretending running a nation is so much easier.
I see no evidence Biden actually has alzheimer's. That's a diagnosis that can only be made at autopsy. All I see is normal aging.
The president doesn't "run a nation"- millions of individual Americans do that every day. The president does stuff like meets with people and listens to advisors. Just because you might have mild cognitive impairment doesn't mean you don't have a lifetime of experience and wisdom that counts for something, and those things don't disappear simply because of mild cognitive decline.
We also don't live in an autocracy where the President alone makes decisions without consulting with people with genuine expertise. We live in a modern nation state and complex society where deference to expertise is the norm, not the exception.
I suffered from mild cognitive impairment a few years ago. It turns out I had Vitamin D deficiency. That doesn't mean I was incapable of making decisions. I made the same sorts of gaffs that Biden does. Having MCI doesn't mean you become Forrest Gump.
This isn't about partisanship over country. The sort of xenophobia, pseudoscientific conspiracy theories and religious nationalism based on uninformed opinions that Trump peddled in was toxic and antithetical to the liberal democratic values and sound government that have become the norm in our nation and in other civilized western societies.
Moonlight
06-10-21, 06:55 AM
Biden was elected for his character and personality, not his physical prowess or even his ability to have clean underwear.
Biden, character and personality?, those three words must never be used in the same sentence, if you've got some Biden video footage displaying those two traits do us a favour and post it up.
From what I've seen of that old man stumbling around the USA like a brain dead zombie doesn't fill me with much confidence of his mental acumen. What the leaders of the world think of him we'll never know until their memoirs are published, I just hope they tell the truth about him, oh wait, truth and politicians, oh crikey, they shouldn't be in the same sentence either. :O:
FireDragon76
06-10-21, 07:49 AM
Biden, character and personality?, those three words must never be used in the same sentence, if you've got some Biden video footage displaying those two traits do us a favour and post it up.
From what I've seen of that old man stumbling around the USA like a brain dead zombie doesn't fill me with much confidence of his mental acumen. What the leaders of the world think of him we'll never know until their memoirs are published, I just hope they tell the truth about him, oh wait, truth and politicians, oh crikey, they shouldn't be in the same sentence either. :O:
Yes, Biden has character. He lost most of his family as a young congressman in a tragic car accident and had to pick up the pieces, but he kept working for his constituents. He lost his son Beau a few years ago to aggressive brain cancer. He has a great deal of empathy for people as a result. Tragedy met with resilience can build character. That is so much better than re-electing a man who sat out Vietnam because he had bone spurs and called decorated veterans and the fallen dead, chumps. That kind of attitude simply doesn't reflect my values, and I doubt it reflects most Americans values, either.
We live in a modern nation state and complex society where deference to expertise is the norm, not the exception.
And therein lies the problem. I give you Mr. Fauci as exhibit 1, He's reversed himself so many times during this "pandemic" that he could probably get a refund from Cornell University.
u crank
06-10-21, 08:38 AM
That is so much better than re-electing a man who sat out Vietnam because he had bone spurs ...
Joe Biden received five draft deferments which kept him out of Viet Nam.
FireDragon76
06-10-21, 08:57 AM
Joe Biden received five draft deferments which kept him out of Viet Nam.
I don't know the circumstances surrounding that (and I don't care, I think Vietnam was a strategic mistake and don't have any bones to pick with draft resisters) but at least he hasn't insulted veterans of the war and people that gave their last full measure. That's just basic indecency and is the stuff we wouldn't tolerate in a child, must less a septagenarian adult.
u crank
06-10-21, 09:21 AM
I don't know the circumstances surrounding that (and I don't care, I think Vietnam was a strategic mistake and don't have any bones to pick with draft resisters) but at least he hasn't insulted veterans of the war and people that gave their last full measure. That's just basic indecency and is the stuff we wouldn't tolerate in a child, must less a septagenarian adult.
Google is your friend. But it would seem that you are mocking Trump for the exact same thing that Biden did. Both escaped the draft. It doesn't matter what the reason was. Now I am not a big fan of Trump but I would say that beyond a shadow of a doubt he was a much bigger promoter of Americans in uniform than Joe Biden.
FireDragon76
06-10-21, 09:55 AM
Google is your friend. But it would seem that you are mocking Trump for the exact same thing that Biden did. Both escaped the draft. It doesn't matter what the reason was. Now I am not a big fan of Trump but I would say that beyond a shadow of a doubt he was a much bigger promoter of Americans in uniform than Joe Biden.
I was mocking Trump because he talks a tough talk but he has ran away from real responsibility throughout his life (not because I think military service is a bona fides of virtue). This is typical of people that are narcissistic or sociopathic.
Vietnam.
As I say to my Danish friends when they discuss Danish military engagement in Middle East-
It's OK to discuss the politics whether it was incorrect or correct politics the Danish government have regarding employment in Iraq, Syria and other countries in the Middle East-
But it's not OK to mock a person, who decide to join the Danish military to take part of these operations or don't.
Back another discussion.
Been thinking, would Hillary have any chance if she was running against Trump in the latest election(2020)?
Trying to figure out if Americans voted for a change or if they voted Dem in desperation(To get Trump out)
Markus
FireDragon76
06-10-21, 10:38 AM
Vietnam.
As I say to my Danish friends when they discuss Danish military engagement in Middle East-
It's OK to discuss the politics whether it was incorrect or correct politics the Danish government have regarding employment in Iraq, Syria and other countries in the Middle East-
But it's not OK to mock a person, who decide to join the Danish military to take part of these operations or don't.
Back another discussion.
Been thinking, would Hillary have any chance if she was running against Trump in the latest election(2020)?
Trying to figure out if Americans voted for a change or if they voted Dem in desperation(To get Trump out)
Markus
If Hillary had been running, the race would have been much closer. She may have won, but it would have been a huge risk and far from certain. And the Right would have gone absolutely bananas, to make January 6th look like a picnic.
Right wing pundits and spin doctors spent decades starting in the 1990's demonizing Hillary and portraying her as unsavory. A radical feminist and accompanied by conspiracy theories that she and Bill had been drug dealers and mafiosi in Little Rock. It was bizarre but that was part and parcel of the rightwing loonery in the 1990's in the US, even if it wasn't part of mainstream discourse.
So even if people never bought into these conspiracy theories, it was enough to taint her. Plus her personality did not resonate with alot of Americans, she was alot like Obama in that she's an idealistic moderate neoliberal with strong faith in American technocracy and scientific rationality, which is strangely perceived as "cold" in a country where alot of people are influenced by highly emotional religious practice that colors their perception of what is, and is not, normal.
Most Democrats in the primaries ultimately opted to play it safe and pick somebody with a reputation for being moderate and not being controversial, as a result. The stakes were seen as too high, particularly among Black Democrats who felt they had alot to lose by another four years of Trump.
Bilge_Rat
06-10-21, 11:39 AM
Yes, Biden has character.
Biden does not have character. He has been a professional politican for over 50 years and over that time has changed his policies 180 or 360 degrees depending on what was better in the polls. You can never tell if he is lying or telling the truth. I am not sure if even he knows what he believes in.
People now conveniently forget that he was in favour of segregation in the mid 70s because that is what most of his constituants wanted.
He voted against gay marriage in the 90s because it was politically popular. He was in favor of gay marriage in the 2010s because it was politically popular.
He authored the 1990s crime bill even though it was known at the time it would end up sending proportionally more african-americans to jail than whites.
Why? because it was politically popular.
He voted for the Iraq war because it was politically popular. He turned against the Iraq War when it became politically popular.
The guy has no moral compass. He only knows how to read polls.
FireDragon76
06-10-21, 11:51 AM
Biden does not have character. He has been a professional politican for over 50 years and over that time has changed his policies 180 or 360 degrees depending on what was better in the polls. You can never tell if he is lying or telling the truth. I am not sure if even he knows what he believes in.
People now conveniently forget that he was in favour of segregation in the mid 70s because that is what most of his constituants wanted.
He voted against gay marriage in the 90s because it was politically popular. He was in favor of gay marriage in the 2010s because it was politically popular.
He authored the 1990s crime bill even though it was known at the time it would end up sending proportionally more african-americans to jail than whites.
Why? because it was politically popular.
He voted for the Iraq war because it was politically popular. He turned against the Iraq War when it became politically popular.
The guy has no moral compass. He only knows how to read polls.
None of that is evidence of lack of moral principles. A moral compass can mean changing your mind when you are made to see things differently, not just somebody who stubbornly holds to a fixed ideology or notion. And it's clear that Biden hasn't completely changed his mind, while he did not support gay marriage in the 1990's (few did openly), he did not run on open homophobia but merely represented the views of his constituents (which isn't wrong per se). The same cannot be said for many other politicians, who openly demonized gay people and used that to increase donations to their campaign funds.
I guess I have a somewhat different view of moral character. I think of character as about virtue rather than adherence to unwavering moral laws or principles (which I don't believe in).
3catcircus
06-10-21, 01:32 PM
None of that is evidence of lack of moral principles. A moral compass can mean changing your mind when you are made to see things differently, not just somebody who stubbornly holds to a fixed ideology or notion. And it's clear that Biden hasn't completely changed his mind, while he did not support gay marriage in the 1990's (few did openly), he did not run on open homophobia but merely represented the views of his constituents (which isn't wrong per se). The same cannot be said for many other politicians, who openly demonized gay people and used that to increase donations to their campaign funds.
I guess I have a somewhat different view of moral character. I think of character as about virtue rather than adherence to unwavering moral laws or principles (which I don't believe in).
I'm going to assume you are a relatively young guy - late teens to early-mid 20's, perhaps? Or you've just led a very sheltered life in an echo chamber.
Until you've actually served in the military, you'll never understand the difference between Trump and Biden re: the military. Most current active duty troops couldn't care less about whether or not a current candidate had a deferment in Vietnam. What they care about is a President who isn't going to carelessly use them for cynical uses. They want a President who isn't going to use them like some medieval prince. Remind me again who deployed guardsmen to DC for the past 5 months for no reason, and thought nothing of having them sleep in parking garages when there was no reason for them to do so? Remind me again which president didn't start any new wars and started the effort to withdraw the remaining soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan? Which president signed the Mission Act so that veterans have more choice regarding healthcare while trying to fix a bloated VA bureaucracy? Which one called them military stupid bastards? Which one just recently referred to this year's USCGA class as a dull bunch during commencement?
Virtue isn't what nice things you say in front of the cameras or on social media, it's what you *do* with little to no fanfare or when no one is looking and keeping your mouth shut if you don't have something nice to say about the groups of people who you send off to war. And before you go down that path, Trump bad-mouthing McCain is fair game since he was a politician wearing big-boy pants.
I'll take a president who sends mean tweets but takes care of his troops over one who only offers platitudes but then changes his position 57 times...
u crank
06-10-21, 01:32 PM
I guess I have a somewhat different view of moral character. I think of character as about virtue rather than adherence to unwavering moral laws or principles (which I don't believe in).
Well one would then have to ask a simple question. What role does morality play in politics? I would say it is almost irrelevant. Politicians, including Biden are not the pillars of moral standards that you seem to think he might be. What really counts in politics is results and not much else. It is really easy to say all the right things and look good to the adoring masses but what good is that if nothing gets done?
3catcircus
06-10-21, 02:29 PM
Well one would then have to ask a simple question. What role does morality play in politics? I would say it is almost irrelevant. Politicians, including Biden are not the pillars of moral standards that you seem to think he might be. What really counts in politics is results and not much else. It is really easy to say all the right things and look good to the adoring masses but what good is that if nothing gets done?
It's not even that nothing gets done. It's that the wrong things get done - pols lining their own pockets with lobbyist cash at the expense of average citizens. Boondoggles with nothing to show for it. Laws passed that result in unintended consequences despite the opposition pointing out those unintended consequences. Pols enacting or repealing laws and regulations that benefit enemy or competitor nations to our nation's detriment.
Catfish
06-10-21, 02:42 PM
Didn't Trump called soldiers killed in action "losers"?
Rockstar
06-10-21, 03:17 PM
I see no evidence Biden actually has alzheimer's. That's a diagnosis that can only be made at autopsy. All I see is normal aging. I tnink maybe you should listen to some more of his speeches and comments. IMO I think its a bit more than normal aging.
The president doesn't "run a nation"- millions of individual Americans do that every day. The president does stuff like meets with people and listens to advisors. Just because you might have mild cognitive impairment doesn't mean you don't have a lifetime of experience and wisdom that counts for something, and those things don't disappear simply because of mild cognitive decline. Im sorry he does a little more than just sits around and meets people. The president of the U.S. represents our nation to foreign powers he is also the commander in chief of the most powerful nation on earth and oversees the opertion of the executive branch of the federal government.
We also don't live in an autocracy where the President alone makes decisions without consulting with people with genuine expertise. We live in a modern nation state and complex society where deference to expertise is the norm, not the exception.Regardless of who he listens too or consultes the responsibility is his and his alone. He better have a brain to put it all together and make the right decesion. The advisors and so called experts are asskissing suck ups who have no responsibility to the voters. Harry S. TRUMAN understood that "The Buck Stops Here"
I suffered from mild cognitive impairment a few years ago. It turns out I had Vitamin D deficiency. That doesn't mean I was incapable of making decisions. I made the same sorts of gaffs that Biden does. Having MCI doesn't mean you become Forrest Gump. Thank you for honesty. But now knowing that I would not vote for you as president. I want a leader who is sharp and capable of forming sentences without embarassing himself or my country. I dont think voters were told the truth about the mental health of this candidate. Which leads me to believe maybe these 'advisors' and 'experts' nobody voted for are actually in charge.
This isn't about partisanship over country. The sort of xenophobia, pseudoscientific conspiracy theories and religious nationalism based on uninformed opinions that Trump peddled in was toxic and antithetical to the liberal democratic values and sound government that have become the norm in our nation and in other civilized western societies.Let it go man, The orange man is no longer the president. We now have a president who publically supports a neo nazi, accused a legitimate head of state as a killer while almost starting a war in the Baltic. Thinks black people arent truely black unless they vote for him, and calls everyone Cornpop because he cant remember their names. ya its soo much better now :roll: :)
Catfish
06-10-21, 03:38 PM
So you believe Putin that Navalny is a "neo nazi"? Any evidence apart from what Putin says?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/30/russian-state-watchdog-adds-navalny-network-to-terrorism-database
Rockstar
06-10-21, 03:44 PM
So you believe Putin that Navalny is a "neo nazi"? Any evidence apart from what Putin says?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/30/russian-state-watchdog-adds-navalny-network-to-terrorism-database
You believe what you want to believe. I posted a NYT times article by Ellen Barry from 9 Dec 2011 that said as much several months ago. Neither Putin or Brit state run newspaper had anything to do with it.
Speaking of Putin, hows Germany's deals with him working out? If he is such a killer and monster why are you still intent on screwing over other E.U. memebers to get Putins gas for yourselves? I guess Putin isnt so bad of a guy if he has something you want huh?
Catfish
06-10-21, 03:54 PM
Funny that Putin destroys any resistance by claiming " [...] Navalny and his supporters [seek] to destabilize Russia "under the guise of liberalism." They say the organization aims to change the "tenets of constitutional order" via "color revolution" — a term used to describe opposition protest in post-Soviet countries, such as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. Navalny's supporters deny the accusation."
https://www.dw.com/en/how-the-kremlin-will-try-to-break-up-navalnys-network/a-57561696
Putin moves to brand any critics as 'extremists', and the West believes him. So is he too liberal, too nazi or what next? Does not matter, the official made-up 'reason' does not play any role, Putin decides and that's it as usual. Too bad Navalny survived the assassination.
u crank
06-10-21, 04:06 PM
Didn't Trump called soldiers killed in action "losers"?
Anonymous sources only. Then again FDR never said an unkind word about Japanese American citizens but he put 120,000 of those citizens in internment camps. Words vs. actions. Take your pick.
Rockstar
06-10-21, 04:08 PM
Funny that Putin destroys any resistance by claiming " [...] Navalny and his supporters [seek] to destabilize Russia "under the guise of liberalism." They say the organization aims to change the "tenets of constitutional order" via "color revolution" — a term used to describe opposition protest in post-Soviet countries, such as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. Navalny's supporters deny the accusation."
https://www.dw.com/en/how-the-kremlin-will-try-to-break-up-navalnys-network/a-57561696
Putin moves to brand any critics as 'extremists', and the West believes him. So is he too liberal, too nazi or what next? Does not matter, the official made-up 'reason' does not play any role, Putin decides and that's it as usual. Too bad Navalny survived the assassination.
Hey not only do I call him a neo nazi based on that NYT article. I've also called him a racist nationalist xenophobe based on his own videos.
But you feel free to continue to support him, he's your hero not mine. I will not. As I said before we should be able to do better than support usefull idiots like the moron in the video
https://youtu.be/hT0tCSaWZ9Q
Catfish
06-10-21, 04:14 PM
Belleauwood visit in 2017, though the visit did not take place:
Trump "did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed."
About "John McCain, who spent more than five years as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese. “He’s not a war hero,” Trump said in 2015 while running for the Republican nomination for president. “I like people who weren’t captured.”"
"When McCain died, in August 2018, Trump told his senior staff, according to three sources with direct knowledge of this event, “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral,” and he became furious, according to witnesses, when he saw flags lowered to half-staff. “What the **** are we doing that for? Guy was a ****ing loser,” the president told aides."
He also described "President George H. W. Bush as a “loser” for being shot down by the Japanese as a Navy pilot in World War II. "
Then Trump mocking Muslim soldier's mother Ghazala Khan over the death of her son and so on. So i would not take this as 'isolated events'.
"Trump has strenuously denied the claims in the report. However, the Associated Press, Washington Post and Fox News were able to independently confirm the accuracy of much of the Atlantic's report with their sources."
Mr Quatro
06-10-21, 04:18 PM
I haven't been back here since Biden took over the WH in January ... politics just doesn't interest me anymore since I was wrong about Trump.
I even told God, "why would you hear my prayers for Biden if you didn't hear them for Trump" So I just usually ignore what is going on in the WH
(except for that silly VP that snickers :D)
But this meeting between President Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Geneva has me wondering. Remember the mistakes Trump made after meeting with Putin? He was like in a trance/shocked and said some funny things like he didn't see any reason why to blame Russia for interference in the National Election of 2016.
Something funny was going on that day ... so with that in mind I think it would be appropriate for President Biden to ask what Putin had on Trump to make him act that way.
Wow! The look on Putin's face when translated would be worth it, plus the answer. :yep:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/white-house-downplays-biden-putin-summit-not-expecting-huge-outcome/ar-AAKUHi4?ocid=BingNews
White House downplays Biden-Putin summit, not expecting 'huge outcome'
President Joe Biden’s highly anticipated summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Geneva is less than a week away -- his first big test to hold the Kremlin accountable in a face-to-face setting on a range of pressing issues, including the imprisonment of dissident Alexei Navalny, interference in American elections, Russian aggression in Ukraine and recent cyberattacks on the U.S
FireDragon76
06-11-21, 01:25 AM
I'm going to assume you are a relatively young guy - late teens to early-mid 20's, perhaps? Or you've just led a very sheltered life in an echo chamber.
I'm 45 years old. And I grew up in a military family and seen many different cultures and spoken several languages. I'm hardly naive.
Until you've actually served in the military, you'll never understand the difference between Trump and Biden re: the military. Most current active duty troops couldn't care less about whether or not a current candidate had a deferment in Vietnam. What they care about is a President who isn't going to carelessly use them for cynical uses. They want a President who isn't going to use them like some medieval prince. Remind me again who deployed guardsmen to DC for the past 5 months for no reason, and thought nothing of having them sleep in parking garages when there was no reason for them to do so? Remind me again which president didn't start any new wars and started the effort to withdraw the remaining soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan? Which president signed the Mission Act so that veterans have more choice regarding healthcare while trying to fix a bloated VA bureaucracy? Which one called them military stupid bastards? Which one just recently referred to this year's USCGA class as a dull bunch during commencement? We live in a republic whose military was constituted to have civilian leadership, so even if that's true, it's irrelevant. The military's job is to obey civilian orders, not judge the wisdom of those policies.
And before you go down that path, Trump bad-mouthing McCain is fair game since he was a politician wearing big-boy pants. What Trump said about McCain was simply inhumane, petty, and without justification. It was far from magnanimous and presidential. It was the behavior of a bully and a coward.
Real character doesn't involve trying to tear someone down simply because of political disagreements.
We live in a republic whose military was constituted to have civilian leadership, so even if that's true, it's irrelevant. The military's job is to obey civilian orders, not judge the wisdom of those policies.
I beg to differ. The only civilian authorized to give orders to the military is the President of the United States, as he has been designated as Commander in Chief of the Armed forces in article II section II of the Constitution. The "military's "job" is to support and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. It's right there in the enlistment oath.
I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Rockstar
06-11-21, 08:03 AM
We live in a republic whose military was constituted to have civilian leadership, so even if that's true, it's irrelevant. The military's job is to obey civilian orders, not judge the wisdom of those policies.
:up:
What Trump said about McCain was simply inhumane, petty, and without justification. It was far from magnanimous and presidential. It was the behavior of a bully and a coward.
Real character doesn't involve trying to tear someone down simply because of political disagreements.Wise words, but political history shows far worse things have been said of opponents. One president ended up killing a man over words.
3catcircus
06-11-21, 12:03 PM
I beg to differ. The only civilian authorized to give orders to the military is the President of the United States, as he has been designated as Commander in Chief of the Armed forces in article II section II of the Constitution. The "military's "job" is to support and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. It's right there in the enlistment oath.
This. I would argue that the Democratic party and their supporters are extremely close to, if not actually, domestic enemies of the Constitution and should be fought at every opportunity by any means necessary.
Also of note - the support and defend the Constitution against all enemies text is the same for both officer and enlisted. It's the whole basis of the US - not a particular administration or a particular slate of senators and congressmen or any interfering foreign government, but of the principles upon which the country was founded. To the point that an oath in some form can be traced back to 1775.
I would point to Federalist Papers #46 referring to the power of federal and state government... "These gentlemen must here be reminded of their error. They must be told that the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone, and that it will not depend merely on the comparative ambition or address of the different governments, whether either, or which of them, will be able to enlarge its sphere of jurisdiction at the expense of the other."
Kptlt. Neuerburg
06-11-21, 05:18 PM
Here's a question, if any active member of the military was part of what happened on January 6th would that count as mutiny as well as treason or at least sedition?
If so Article 94 of the UCMJ is pretty clear what the punishment is: Maximum Punishment
For all offenses under Article 94, death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/punitive-articles-of-the-ucmj-3356859
Rockstar
06-11-21, 05:32 PM
Here's a question, if any active member of the military was part of what happened on January 6th would that count as mutiny as well as treason or at least sedition?
If so Article 94 of the UCMJ is pretty clear what the punishment is: Maximum Punishment
For all offenses under Article 94, death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/punitive-articles-of-the-ucmj-3356859
Probably not since nobody who was involved has been charged with mutiny, sedition or treason. But it really depends if the prosecutor believes he has evidence to convict them. There were a great many people who had every right to be there and participate in a protest peacefully and had nothing to do with the drama. Just because someone was there or was in the military doesnt automatically make them guilty of sedetion, treason or mutiny.
Kptlt. Neuerburg
06-11-21, 05:45 PM
Probably not since nobody who was involved has been charged with mutiny, sedition or treason. But it really depends if the prosecutor believes he has evidence to convict them. There were a great many people who had every right to be there and participate in a protest peacefully and had nothing to do with the drama. Just because someone was there or was in the military doesnt automatically make them guilty of sedetion, treason or mutiny. That might be true but that's also missing the point. The point being if an active member of the military was part of the group of people who forced their way into Congress would that go against the oath they took at the time of their induction to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic? And if so would such action(s) be punishable under Article 94 or any other articles of the UCMJ?
I should of been clear that this was also a hypothetical question.
Even though I disbelieve the story that Trump will return in August and rumour about a Coup. I hope that the right authorities in USA is monitoring this.
It could be false all the way, but if there are generals in the US army who are more pro-Trump than pro-constitution. Then you have a problem.
Markus
3catcircus
06-11-21, 06:28 PM
Even though I disbelieve the story that Trump will return in August and rumour about a Coup. I hope that the right authorities in USA is monitoring this.
It could be false all the way, but if there are generals in the US army who are more pro-Trump than pro-constitution. Then you have a problem.
Markus
Except many Americans see being pro-Trump *as* being pro-constitution. I can't disagree.
3catcircus
06-11-21, 06:49 PM
That might be true but that's also missing the point. The point being if an active member of the military was part of the group of people who forced their way into Congress would that go against the oath they took at the time of their induction to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic? And if so would such action(s) be punishable under Article 94 or any other articles of the UCMJ?
I should of been clear that this was also a hypothetical question.
The answer is an unqualified "it depends."
Did they view the election certification process as being unconstitutional? Did they receive and disobey orders to not attend the speech? Did they disobey law enforcement? From the video it certainly looks like many pepper just walked right in without having to storm the place.
There is significant leeway for commanders to award NJP even if not rising to the level of criminal conduct. Article 134 is the catch-all if they can't pin anything else on you...
[QUOTE=FireDragon76;2751975]I'm 45 years old. And I grew up in a military family and seen many different cultures and spoken several languages. I'm hardly naive.
We live in a republic whose military was constituted to have civilian leadership, so even if that's true, it's irrelevant. The military's job is to obey civilian orders, not judge the wisdom of those policies.
What Trump said about McCain was simply inhumane, petty, and without justification. It was far from magnanimous and presidential. It was the behavior of a bully and a coward.
Yes , I personally think you talk about things you personally haven't experienced. So Mister Dragon born in 1976 I'll call ya and raise you up one. Did your party and military family vote 100 percent to retaliate after 9/11?
And Mister Dragon, if you and your military family and party didn't want to retaliate why? Your a funny man and i await your answer.
Skybird
06-12-21, 02:05 AM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/seized-house-records-show-trump-admin-78234981?cid=clicksource_4380645_5_film_strip_icym i_hed
White House spokesman Andrew Bates said the conduct of Trump’s Justice Department was a shocking misuse of authority.
“Attorneys general’s only loyalty should be to the rule of law — never to politics,” he said.
The disclosure that the records had been seized raised a number of troubling questions. Who else may have been targeted? What was the legal justification to target members of Congress? Why did Apple, a company that prides itself on user privacy, hand over the records? And what end was the Trump Justice Department pursuing?
The bugs may be gone for now (while threatening to come back in force). But the scars form their bites and the poison they left in America's veins will never go.
Illustrates once again the truth in that its easier to destroy than to build.
LOL another story based on "un-named third party" sources. I see Trump is still living rent free in your head.
Rockstar
06-12-21, 09:13 AM
LOL another story based on "un-named third party" sources. I see Trump is still living rent free in your head.
Some people fall for the exact same kind anonymous b.s. they mock others for doing. Put whatever you want in front if it '-anon' in internet speak means anonymous.
Q-anon started as a joke on 4chan and still is. But an anonymous source is still an anonymous source no matter where it comes from. So long as it confirms peoples own bias they happily lap it all up.
3catcircus
06-12-21, 11:06 AM
Some people fall for the exact same kind anonymous b.s. they mock others for doing. Put whatever you want in front if it '-anon' in internet speak means anonymous.
Q-anon started as a joke on 4chan and still is. But an anonymous source is still an anonymous source no matter where it comes from. So long as it confirms peoples own bias they happily lap it all up.
The obvious problem being that the MSM happily laps it up when it suits their narrative. Four years of having to put up with Russian collusion hoaxes and Mueller and treasonous army majors who decided they're more important than they actually are, amongst other nonsense.
Four years of trying to find *anything* and finding nothing.
But we have a laptop full of Hunter Biden's child porn, drugs, and illegal business deals implicating Joe Biden and they just ignore it.
Buddahaid
06-12-21, 11:06 AM
Even though I disbelieve the story that Trump will return in August and rumour about a Coup. I hope that the right authorities in USA is monitoring this.
It could be false all the way, but if there are generals in the US army who are more pro-Trump than pro-constitution. Then you have a problem.
Markus
Even if voter fraud is found and Biden would fail to get the required electoral votes, Trump would not become president. Biden would have to be impeached to be removed from office and that would leave Pelosi as president. This pro constitution party I keep hearing about doesn't really get it.
3catcircus
06-12-21, 11:26 AM
Even if voter fraud is found and Biden would fail to get the required electoral votes, Trump would not become president. Biden would have to be impeached to be removed from office and that would leave Pelosi as president. This pro constitution party I keep hearing about doesn't really get it.
This is one of those extremely rare situations where direct action by the states and the People, to the point of doing everything the founders expected would be necessary to remedy this situation may come to happen.
Catfish
06-12-21, 04:37 PM
^ do you think january 6th was a such an event, to "remedy" the situation?
Even if voter fraud is found and Biden would fail to get the required electoral votes, Trump would not become president. Biden would have to be impeached to be removed from office and that would leave Pelosi as president. This pro constitution party I keep hearing about doesn't really get it.
I wrote about it some page back in this thread-I used Translate a lot since it was two Danish article I posted here. The English articles was behind paywall.
When Reading it I knew that my friends here would quickly reject it as rubbish.
I did.
Markus
The ABC journalist who broke the infamous story about the 2016 tarmac meeting between Bill Clinton and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch has been found dead in his apartment.
The body of Christopher Sign, 45, was found in his Birmingham, Alabama apartment on Saturday morning around 8 a.m. His death is being investigated as a suicide, according to police Lt. Keith Czeskleba.
“Our deepest sympathy is shared with Christopher’s loving family and close friends. We have lost a revered colleague who’s indelible imprint will serve forever as a hallmark of decency, honesty and journalist integrity. We can only hope to carry on his legacy. May his memory be for blessing,” ABC 33/40 vice president and general manager Eric Land said in a statement.
Sign wrote a book about breaking the tarmac story called Secret on the Tarmac (https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Tarmac-Christopher-Sign/dp/B0844XVN3B/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=secrets+on+the+tarmac&qid=1623562484&sr=8-1).
When the tarmac story came out, it made massive waves internationally as the secret meeting took place during the election — and just days before then-FBI Director James Comey announced the bureau would not recommend charges against Hillary Clinton.
AL.com reports (https://www.al.com/news/2021/06/christopher-sign-birmingham-tv-anchor-former-alabama-football-player-dead-in-apparent-suicide.html) that Sign and his wife have three sons.
It sure is interesting how many people who have crossed the Clintons end up dying way too young.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/breaking-reporter-broke-clinton-lynch-tarmac-story-found-dead-apartment/
3catcircus
06-13-21, 08:59 AM
^ do you think january 6th was a such an event, to "remedy" the situation?
January 6th was in no way close to what is necessary. We had 1000s of people listen to a speech by the President who urged them to march to the Capitol and let their Senators and Congresspeople hear their voice.
At no point did he urge violence or call for them to enter the building. Some people may have broke through doors, but *most* of the people who entered the building meandered about and took selfies...
It says more about our elected officials than of our citizens that they consider it acceptable to *not* allow access by the public by a building that that public paid for...
Buddahaid
06-13-21, 09:18 AM
January 6th was in no way close to what is necessary. We had 1000s of people listen to a speech by the President who urged them to march to the Capitol and let their Senators and Congresspeople hear their voice.
At no point did he urge violence or call for them to enter the building. Some people may have broke through doors, but *most* of the people who entered the building meandered about and took selfies...
It says more about our elected officials than of our citizens that they consider it acceptable to *not* allow access by the public by a building that that public paid for...
I'm not buying this attempt to downplay the seriousness of what happened. Something that has all kinds of filmed violence documented of that party of law and order, apple pie and respect for the constitution. Discusting.
Rockstar
06-13-21, 09:37 AM
I'm not buying this attempt to downplay the seriousness of what happened. Something that has all kinds of filmed violence documented of that party of law and order, apple pie and respect for the constitution. Discusting.
Pretty close to how I feel about it as well. On one side I believe people had a right to peaceably protest. As for those who broke the law they are to be held accountable for their action. As for Trump, once the electoral college submitted their vote, he should have accepted it as it were a commandment from god himself. By not doing so I believe he brought discredit to our nation, system of governence and the time honored peaceful transition of power. In my book he really screwed the pooch by not quietly stepping aside.
u crank
06-13-21, 10:36 AM
^^^
Agree completely and I don't see any way by this if he thinks he can run again in 2024. The Democrat campaign ads write themselves.
For some reason I hope he will run for Office in 2024.
To be honest the reason is reading all these bombastic comments about him. They are in a way funny.
Markus
I'm not buying this attempt to downplay the seriousness of what happened. Something that has all kinds of filmed violence documented of that party of law and order, apple pie and respect for the constitution. Discusting.
Really? You downplayed the BLM and Antifa violence all last summer. I think your disgust is really just politically based.
Buddahaid
06-13-21, 11:39 AM
Why not? You downplayed the BLM and Antifa violence all last summer? Is your disgust really just politically based?
Like yours?
Like yours?
I have every right be disgusted at your selective disgust.
Buddahaid
06-13-21, 11:51 AM
I have every right be disgusted at your selective disgust.
Look in the mirror.
Look in the mirror.
I did and the mirror cracked
Markus
3catcircus
06-13-21, 01:06 PM
Pretty close to how I feel about it as well. On one side I believe people had a right to peaceably protest. As for those who broke the law they are to be held accountable for their action. As for Trump, once the electoral college submitted their vote, he should have accepted it as it were a commandment from god himself. By not doing so I believe he brought discredit to our nation, system of governence and the time honored peaceful transition of power. In my book he really screwed the pooch by not quietly stepping aside.
I think that just going along with what you believe to be cheating "for the good of the country" is exactly opposite of good for the country. Nixon did that and we ended up with Kennedy and Johnson who, although presented as clean-cut nice guys, were a bunch of politically corrupt scum.
We *need* candidates who are willing to challenge the existing political machine because it's so entrenched, it's the only way to end the way the US is run by a cabal of Washington elites and oligarchs.
We need to do away with big government in any form - regardless of party - if it means a few things get broken and a few pols get scared, it's probably worth it. In fact - pols *should* be and *need to be* scared of their constituents. Else we get what we have now with them in office for decades doing nothing for their constituents while lining their own pockets.
A few people who broke some things and farted in Pelosi's chair doesn't even come close to the antifa-blm violence. Additionally, it *looks* like those actually down breaking down doors and windows are dressed in "black Bloc" - aka antifa, yet law enforcement seems to be none too urgent in investigating that aspect. Instead, they're worried about little old ladies wandering the halls of Congress...
Look in the mirror.
I do every morning when I get up. Doesn't alter anything.
Rockstar
06-13-21, 02:13 PM
I think that just going along with what you believe to be cheating "for the good of the country" is exactly opposite of good for the country. Nixon did that and we ended up with Kennedy and Johnson who, although presented as clean-cut nice guys, were a bunch of politically corrupt scum.
We *need* candidates who are willing to challenge the existing political machine because it's so entrenched, it's the only way to end the way the US is run by a cabal of Washington elites and oligarchs.
We need to do away with big government in any form - regardless of party - if it means a few things get broken and a few pols get scared, it's probably worth it. In fact - pols *should* be and *need to be* scared of their constituents. Else we get what we have now with them in office for decades doing nothing for their constituents while lining their own pockets.
A few people who broke some things and farted in Pelosi's chair doesn't even come close to the antifa-blm violence. Additionally, it *looks* like those actually down breaking down doors and windows are dressed in "black Bloc" - aka antifa, yet law enforcement seems to be none too urgent in investigating that aspect. Instead, they're worried about little old ladies wandering the halls of Congress...
Challenge all you want. But dont wait until AFTER the electoral college votes. To then discredit a several hundred year old system of government with unfounded accusations and conspiracy theories because you dont like the results.
Anyone you know of presenting any evidence yet?
We *need* candidates who are willing to challenge the existing political machine because it's so entrenched, it's the only way to end the way the US is run by a cabal of Washington elites and oligarchs.
We need to do away with big government in any form - regardless of party - if it means a few things get broken and a few pols get scared, it's probably worth it. In fact - pols *should* be and *need to be* scared of their constituents. Else we get what we have now with them in office for decades doing nothing for their constituents while lining their own pockets.
I read words like those among my Danish, Swedish and sometimes among my German friends.
The problems is, on the election day-authors behind these text and their followers tend to vote as they did before.
Markus
3catcircus
06-13-21, 03:33 PM
Challenge all you want. But dont wait until AFTER the electoral college votes. To then discredit a several hundred year old system of government with unfounded accusations and conspiracy theories because you dont like the results.
Anyone you know of presenting any evidence yet?
Considering that AZ is auditing ballots and other states have folks observing those audits, with preps possibly coming for they're own, who knows? I hear they are currently looking at ballots that only cast votes for Pres/VP.
All other things being equal, if someone challenges the results and you are confident that they were aboveboard, why wouldn't you welcome audits? And I don't mean hand recounts of the exact same ballots. I mean scrutinizing each ballot.
One of the GA election workers has come out to report that she and a few others questioned several sets of ballots that had no folds or creases you'd expect from a mail-in, and the bubbles for Biden on those ballots were all filled in clearly with the same exact "shadow" below the darkened bubble, which is a common artifact of photocopying.
People have questioned why radiomodems were present in voting machines at the time of the election. It seems reasonable, from a process standpoint, to have an audit trail showing they were removed or disabled. That trail doesn't exist.
People have questioned why GA declared a water main break, sent counters and observers home for the night, and then produced suitcases of ballots and recommenced counting - all recorded on security cameras. The explanations for that are entirely unbelievable.
People need to feel confident that the *process* is clean and unable to be gamed to cheat. Right now, that doesn't exist.
If the system is corrupted and the people in the system are corrupt, then you get rid of the people and the system.
Challenge all you want. But dont wait until AFTER the electoral college votes. To then discredit a several hundred year old system of government with unfounded accusations and conspiracy theories because you dont like the results.
Anyone you know of presenting any evidence yet?
Seems to me that a fair amount of evidence was presented but it was all callously brushed aside in the establishments eagerness to get Trump out of office.
I did and the mirror cracked
Markus
You too!! I must stop doing that, the replacement cost over the years is horrendous. :yep:
Onkel Neal
06-13-21, 07:55 PM
Challenge all you want. But dont wait until AFTER the electoral college votes. To then discredit a several hundred year old system of government with unfounded accusations and conspiracy theories because you dont like the results.
Anyone you know of presenting any evidence yet?
I'm all for expecting clear evidence to discredit the system but I think in light of recent developments (maybe Wuhan flu from a lab), I wouldn't call the supposition that the election was more fraudulent that before a conspiracy theory.
3catcircus
06-13-21, 08:29 PM
I'm all for expecting clear evidence to discredit the system but I think in light of recent developments (maybe Wuhan flu from a lab), I wouldn't call the supposition that the election was more fraudulent that before a conspiracy theory.
This. When you use administrative procedure to declare evidence (proof positive evidence) inadmissable or that plaintiffs don't have standing, at any other time and place, leftists would be up in arms and declare the court to be right wing and demand the judge recuse.
If the evidence is there, you shouldn't be allowed to suppress it. Let it be admitted and stand on its own or be determined as not believable.
You too!! I must stop doing that, the replacement cost over the years is horrendous. :yep:
Two words: Steel Mirrors.
Buddahaid
06-13-21, 09:24 PM
Two words: Steel Mirrors.
LOL! Have a good week.
Rockstar
06-14-21, 07:18 AM
https://youtu.be/s9CsQf2IfQc
Catfish
06-14-21, 09:19 AM
"Biden, unlike predecessors, has maintained Putin skepticism"
https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-donald-trump-joe-biden-europe-middle-east-fcf067acc9da94e9ffe7bd6a55a574cd
B.t.w. Russia is actively leading a cyberwar against the US, while denying all of course. I wonder what the US are doing ..
Rockstar
06-14-21, 10:28 AM
Whats Germany doing about Russians hacking Germany? Oh ya thats right Merkle is "outraged" but turns right around works hard to circumvent sanctions against Russia so she can do business with Putin while he still hacks your computers.
Bunch of two faced hypocrites. Always have an opinion how everyone else in the world needs to stand up to Putin.
Germany really loves that Putin doctors sausage.
"Biden, unlike predecessors, has maintained Putin skepticism"
https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-donald-trump-joe-biden-europe-middle-east-fcf067acc9da94e9ffe7bd6a55a574cd
B.t.w. Russia is actively leading a cyberwar against the US, while denying all of course. I wonder what the US are doing ..We'll let you know as soon as Biden's handlers tell him what to do. );
Catfish
06-14-21, 03:03 PM
We'll let you know as soon as Biden's handlers tell him what to do. );
Right, but at least it will not be Putin :03:
Catfish
06-14-21, 03:49 PM
Whats Germany doing about Russians hacking Germany? Oh ya thats right Merkle is "outraged" but turns right around works hard to circumvent sanctions against Russia so she can do business with Putin while he still hacks your computers.
Bunch of two faced hypocrites. Always have an opinion how everyone else in the world needs to stand up to Putin.
Germany really loves that Putin doctors sausage.
Funny the US complains about us being hypocrites towards Putin after the last five years of US appeasing?
At least Germany admits it is being hacked, i'd love to see any official concession of this even happening in the US, instead it is mostly denial of election meddling, or Russia cutting off digital infrastructure in the US just so.
The pipeline project is something that has been planned for decades. Germany imports oil and gas from everywhere, and as it is commonplace in capitalism, competition is good for business. Importing dirty gas from the US is a political concession, neither needed nor wanted, but politically necessary it seems. Just like US soy beans :doh:
Germany has entered a very harsh stand towards Russia recently if you did not notice.
"Love Putin's sausage more than the US' one" I admittedly have no details about Putin's 'sausage' compared to Trump's or Biden's. I guess i'll leave this to your imagination, or competence :O:
Rockstar
06-14-21, 04:06 PM
Germany has entered a very harsh stand towards Russia recently if you did not notice.
Frankly I dont think anyone on the planet has noticed. Please do elaborate, what exactly is this harsh stance?
Moonlight
06-14-21, 05:37 PM
If Russia is using computer software and hardware from America I expect the CIA know a lot more about what Putin's up to than anyone else does.
They'll just bide there time and strike when the iron's hot, I imagine "Plausible deniability" or something similar will be used. :O:
Rockstar
06-14-21, 07:07 PM
Oh and I do realize Nordstream has been in works for ten years. But I also realize it was old Soviet era German cronies of Putin that pushed it through.
That harsh stance of yours means nothing since Putin has been leading Germany around by the nose a lot longer than you realize. And he still hacks your computers.
Skybird
06-15-21, 12:19 AM
Did you know it? In past years, US imports of Russian oil had climbed from 0.5% of all American imports to over 7%. Last year tbe US imported more oil from Russia than from Saudi Arabia.
Wrote Blomberg.
Catfish
06-15-21, 04:44 AM
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That harsh stance of yours means nothing since Putin has been leading Germany around by the nose a lot longer than you realize. And he still hacks your computers.
um ok, after checking i now think the "harsh stance" being mentioned in the media is indeed of russian origin.. Germany only threatens with forever debates :hmmm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsIxP-c83ok
Skybird
06-15-21, 07:34 AM
The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes:
comment:
Europe and America talk past each other
Joe Biden is riding a wave of sympathy in Europe. Nevertheless, the American president cannot be satisfied with the results of his trip. Europe gives him the cold shoulder on what is central to him - how to deal with China.
An unusual round of summit meetings is drawing to a close. One after the other, the American President Joe Biden met the British leadership, the heads of state and government of the G-7, his counterparts in the NATO Council and the top officials of the EU; Now, at the end of his trip to Europe, he faces the eagerly awaited encounter with the Kremlin ruler Vladimir Putin. The meeting in Geneva looks like the climax in a careful choreography: Strengthened by the backing of his allies, Biden faces the Russian autocrat, who has beaten down the opposition movement in his country in recent months and fears on the Ukrainian border, as it were as an envoy from the free world fueled a new war. -
But the impression is twice as wrong. Biden has neither emerged strengthened from his meetings in Cornwall and Brussels, nor is his appointment with Putin of central importance to him. From the American point of view, Russia has a potential to disrupt, but is not a strategic rival like China. Moscow tries to harm American interests in all possible arenas, but the United States does not see this as a threat to its role as a world power. The case of China is different. The rise of the Middle Kingdom is the fundamental challenge by which the American president's foreign policy is measured. What Biden would achieve while wrestling with this opponent on his trip to Europe was the key question that hovered over all of his meetings. -
In Europe, the changes that have occurred in Washington are underestimated. Although the Republican Donald Trump had already adopted a confrontational stance towards Beijing, something essential was added under Biden. The “system competition” with the dictatorial central state China is no longer subject to the whims of a twittering president, as it once was, but now shapes the thinking and action of the entire government apparatus. Just as the Cold War and, after 2001, the “War on Terror” formed the guideline for American foreign policy, the challenge of China now outshines everything else. -
Measured against this, the summit results must disappoint the Americans. In the epic final communiqué of the G-7, which would fill around eight pages of the NZZ newspaper, China hardly appears. Where this happens anyway, the text is noticeably softened. The idea of a global infrastructure program propagated by the USA found its way into the declaration of the heads of state. But the fact that the Americans want to build this up as a project to compete with the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative has been swept under the table; there is also no schedule for concrete investments. -
The G-7 did not even come up with a clear criticism of Beijing's human rights violations. The section on forced labor alludes to conditions in Xinjiang, but a direct mention of China seemed too risky for some of the summit participants. Eliminating goods from Xinjiang from the international supply chains, as the American Congress is preparing, goes far too far for the European partners. -
Germany and France show no willingness to submit to American wishes and view the relationship with China through the lens of a rivalry between competing power blocs. The fear of losing out on a lucrative export market plays just as important a role as the worry that criticism or even demonizing China could even lead to the formation of blocks in world politics. -
The two leading nations of the EU do not perceive China's aggressive behavior as a problem to the same extent as the USA. Biden, on the other hand, dresses his China policy in a rhetoric that is almost a battle of fate. Biden emphasized in Cornwall that the free world is in conflict with autocrats around the world. The question for him is whether the democracies can survive in this competition in the 21st century. -
Biden was most likely to find echo with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who after Brexit is more dependent than ever on maintaining the “special relationship” with America. The two proclaimed a “new Atlantic Charter” in which the commitment to strengthening democracy comes first. The model is the Atlantic Charter of 1941, which paved the way for a future liberal world order during World War II. But since the times of Roosevelt and Churchill, the Anglo-American team has lost a lot of weight. Biden knows that he also needs allies on the European continent and in East Asia for his goals. -
Paris and largely Berlin, however, gave him the cold shoulder. In Cornwall, French President Emmanuel Macron pointedly stated that the G-7 was not an anti-China club. Even before he left for the summit, he had announced priorities that ran counter to Biden's. He did not say a word about a great power rivalry or the need to strengthen democracies in the world. At every opportunity Macron insists on the “strategic autonomy” of Europe. By this he means that he has no intention of adopting the guiding principles of the American president. -
The German Chancellor Merkel is more friendly in tone, but does not offer less resistance on the matter. She takes refuge in cryptic catchphrases such as “rule-based multilateral cooperation” and at best admits to Biden that there will be a dispute with China “in some aspects”. Merkel has already demonstrated in the dispute over the Russian Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline that Merkel does not want to divide the world sharply into democracies and autocracies like the White House. While Washington regards this building as a capital geostrategic mistake because it strengthens the Kremlin's influence in Europe and deepens the rift lines on the continent, Merkel wants to see it as a purely economic project. -
The joviality displayed these days towards Biden is therefore deceptive. Europe and America are talking past one another on a question that is central to Washington. On this side of the Atlantic there is relief that a polterer like Trump is no longer messing up such summits, but that does not mean that you stand behind your successor. An opinion poll published by the Pew Research Center shortly before Biden's trip to Europe is therefore deceptive. Accordingly, the image of the US in Europe has improved dramatically since Trump left. Three-quarters of respondents are confident that the American president will do the right thing on the world stage (around five times higher than at the end of the Trump era). -
But this radical change in mood is hardly generating any dividends for Biden for the time being. In his first five months, he did not get much closer to his goal of giving American China policy more muscle with the help of European allies. He can boast partial successes, including the fact that in March the EU imposed sanctions on China for human rights violations for the first time in decades and put the controversial investment agreement with Beijing on hold. -
But the US wants to go much further. The Senate gave a foretaste of this last week with the passage of a law intended to mobilize the huge sum of 250 billion dollars to stand up to China in terms of technology and make America's economy more independent in areas such as artificial intelligence and semiconductors. With the demand for a partial decoupling of western industries from China, however, the USA is hardly heard in Europe. -
The transatlantic partners in climate policy have found new cooperation, but a gap remains on geopolitical issues. This was pasted over at Biden's stations in Europe - with diverse, but ultimately non-binding China references and friendly pats on the back for the guest from Washington. But the US will not give up and will study European behavior closely. The risk of disillusionment is great. -
Biden is the most pro-European president since the end of the Cold War, but he too depends on results. If he comes to the conclusion that the European Union is not providing any real help on the key issue of American foreign policy, this continent will become less important for the United States. American taxpayers will then ask why they should continue to invest so much money in the security of Europe - a region of the world where people like to talk about democratic values, only not if it anger the rulers in Beijing and endanger good business could.
Rockstar
06-15-21, 09:52 AM
The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes:
I linked a video of the peoples choice just a few posts ago. I didnt do it mock him or the party morons who voted for him. I did it to illustrate why we will most likely never see Biden and Putin together at a G7 press conference to discuss our future. Because one of them for whatever reason cant without wandering off topic.
I doubt we'll ever hear from our elected official. Instead his handlers and others who the people did not vote for will inform us of their plans and ideas through third party sources. Like the above article.
Rockstar
06-15-21, 10:56 AM
Did you know it? In past years, US imports of Russian oil had climbed from 0.5% of all American imports to over 7%. Last year tbe US imported more oil from Russia than from Saudi Arabia.
Wrote Blomberg.
Thats good intel. It would appear then there may be some disparity between the LatestHeadline-anon and reality.
Rockstar
06-15-21, 02:00 PM
Just throwing darts here.
Obviously neither Germany or the U.S. really needs to buy more Russian energy. But we are, and by doing so would that purchase power have an influence over those select few we are making rich help see things our way in the way of regime change?
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html
Russia's weaknesses lie in the economic domains
Russia's greatest vulnerability, in any competition with the United States, is its economy, which is comparatively small and highly dependent on energy exports.
The Russian leadership's greatest anxiety stems from the stability and durability of the regime.
The most promising measures to stress Russia are in the realms of energy production and international pressure
Continuing to expand U.S. energy production in all forms, including renewables, and encouraging other countries to do the same would maximize pressure on Russia's export receipts and thus on its national and defense budgets. Alone among the many measures looked at in this report, this one comes with the least cost or risk.
Sanctions can also limit Russia's economic potential. To be effective, however, these need to be multilateral, involving (at a minimum) the European Union, which is Russia's largest customer and greatest source of technology and capital, larger in all these respects than the United States.
Catfish
06-15-21, 02:21 PM
^ You are somehow right, as i may have said earlier (ten years ago? :D)
But why always kick against Russia, i mean it's not even 'communist' anymore.
I do not know for sure of course, but i think China is a much bigger threat, and i do not even mean weapon-wise. Whatever you or I think about Putin he is dependable in a blunt basic way, and he has always stuck to treaties as long as they were useful for him and others.
As someone else wrote Russia is able to disrupt things like digital controls, but it is not a threat in a long-term strategy of the US, let alone the nations of Europe. The west treats Russia like an underdog, as it did directly after 1990.. this is neither reasonable nor a wise "strategy".
You know i am not reluctant when it is about calling Putin out, but imho he makes a lot more sense than his predecessors.
Sending Josep Borrel to Russia without having any say or message was a very stupid thing to do, and there's no one but the EU to blame.
It is idiotic of the EU to show hurried-ahead (right words?) obedience to what it thinks the US wants, and thus unnecessarily raising tensions between the EU and Russia. It makes even less sense to officially damn our neighbour all the time but accepting all the advantages without ever mentioning them.
Rockstar
06-15-21, 02:56 PM
Agreed, China is the bigger socalled threat. So why give Russia such a hard time? Because I think it would be easier to direct China if Russia wasnt developing closer investment and economic ties, and selling advanced arms and technology to China. To put the squeeze on Russia is to put the squeeze China.
Just dont expect me to support idiot extremists and neo nazis to further those goals. :hmph:
https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/43696420/960x0.jpg
The real big crisis will come the day China has pushed USA off the throne as the leading military and world police.
EU will lose too as China will take-over their sphere of interest.
It's only a matter of time before they have done it fully.
They(China)Will conquer the world with...no not military, but with money.
Markus
Rockstar
06-15-21, 04:56 PM
Now here someone who has credentials I can support and doesnt have extremist skeletons in her closet. Unlike the first two clowns Navalny and Protasevich.
https://www.rt.com/russia/503675-tikhanovskaya-nato-backed-opposition-figure/
3catcircus
06-16-21, 07:07 AM
The real big crisis will come the day China has pushed USA off the throne as the leading military and world police.
EU will lose too as China will take-over their sphere of interest.
It's only a matter of time before they have done it fully.
They(China)Will conquer the world with...no not military, but with money.
Markus
It's not even "dethroning" the US - it's everyone. China has imperialist ambitions across the entire planet. Disputes over oil and fishing in the Pacific. Belt and Road programs across Africa, Middle East and Asia, as well as Latin America. Infiltration of western institutions and governments. Infiltrastion of Eastern European and Slavic institutions and governments. Continuous and ongoing military and industrial espionage and IP theft. Brutal repression of minorities that makes racism in the US and colonialist western brutality in past years look like a carnival of fun and excitement in comparison.
The sheer arrogance of building on Indian soil or throwing a pile of rocks into the sea a few miles off the coast of Asian neighbors and declaring the entire ocean to be theirs'. The blatant exploitation of fishing grounds in other countries' coastal waters by huge commercial fleets. The horribly-mannered tourists who make American tourists look positively well-behaved.
China under the CCP is an insidious existential threat to the rest of the world. Western conservatives have warned about China for decades - and western liberals have pooh-poohed them while excusing China's bad behavior by claiming that as they got economically richer, they would become more western in their outlook.
Did you know it? In past years, US imports of Russian oil had climbed from 0.5% of all American imports to over 7%. Last year tbe US imported more oil from Russia than from Saudi Arabia.
Wrote Blomberg.
What a load of crap. Imports of all kinds fell through the floor last year. Pretending that percentages of nothing is somehow meaningful is just stupid.
Skybird
06-16-21, 04:55 PM
https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/market-insights/latest-news/oil/041621-us-reliance-on-russian-oil-hits-record-high-despite-souring-ties
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/russia-oil-demand-hits-record-high-in-u-s-amid-rising-tensions
Watched about an hour CNN earlier today(before the football) there were guest in the studio talking about this meeting.
The host said-Which things do think Biden will discuss with Putin
Will he discuss Russia interference the American election
I looked at them I thought-What if Biden didn't discuss these thing-What if they only had a good friendship talk.
I have zero clue about diplomacy.
Markus
Skybird
06-16-21, 05:30 PM
Putin got what he wanted.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/16/europe/vladimir-putin-met-joe-biden-and-got-what-he-wanted-intl-cmd/index.html
Putin got what he wanted.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/16/europe/vladimir-putin-met-joe-biden-and-got-what-he-wanted-intl-cmd/index.html
Would it be incorrect to say-Here USA should have a Reagan as their President and not Biden or Trump.
Markus
I was astonished today. At the failure of the Democrat Party and their puppet Joe to bring a gift from the American people to The President of the Soviet Federation.And he did not fall on his knees,WTF Our president Joe offered a crystal clear 4 dollar tourist replica of a Buffalo and his signature aviation sunglasses as a gift from the American people.
After 4 yrs of The Democrat's accusing Putin and his country of outright meddling in our elections and up to murder .With no solid proof whatsoever Joe and his party reps flies the biggest polluting jet on this planet over there for a photo op with the bobble heads of the G7.
Ok so after that now we are on to the big meet that was requested by the democrats the day after Joes inauguration.So here we are 6/16/21 And the American President is going to put the President of the Soviet Federation in his place by telling him what his mother told him. And as he looks into his eyes this time he does not see a man with no soul. But a Dog Face Pony Soldier.At the end of a very expensive trip for all taxpayers. 1 honest reporter summed it up correctly ,what they achieved here today could have done in a 20 minute phone call.
Catfish
06-17-21, 05:10 AM
"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves.
Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?" :haha:
Rockstar
06-17-21, 05:50 AM
"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves.
Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?" :haha:
It went from being a 4 to 5 hour meeting to just 2 hours.
Ambassadors of both sides, who have been recalled from Washington and Moscow will return to there posts.
There will br more talks about cyber security.
There MAY be more about exchange of prisoners.
There will be new talks about strategic nukes.
Thankfully there was no talk about 9 year old little girls or heads of state being called killers because ol' pedo Joe wasnt allowed to speak in public.
Hows that? ;)
3catcircus
06-17-21, 07:37 AM
Would it be incorrect to say-Here USA should have a Reagan as their President and not Biden or Trump.
Markus
I'll take a Reagan, but a Trump will do just fine. Anything is better than the waterhead with his wranglers in office now.
Moonlight
06-17-21, 05:27 PM
Reagan was a bleeding godsend for America, you haven't had a politician since that could lick his boots.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5145921
^ That is what I meant - Reagan knew the Russian in and out.
Markus
"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves.
Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?" :haha:
Said a malingering freak named "Oddball". :haha:
Skybird
06-17-21, 06:07 PM
The two most overestimated presidents in modern US history: Kennedy, and Reagan.
Becoming president, was Reagan's role of his life. He was not really a good film actor, for that he was too static in expression, and different to Schwarzenegger he lacked self-humour and irnoy in his movies - but he surely knew what strings to pull and what buttons to press to make the American public and its typical American mentality playing, dancing and marching to his tune. That was his strength, and that is why he still echoes in Americans' memory until today.
In a way he compares to Merkel with that. Merkel's weaknesses lie in other fields, but she is, like Reagan, popular because she acts as if giving Germans what many of them crave for, like Americans craved for what Reagan pretended to give them: the impression of a good life in a good hiome that is safe and stable and kind of an idylle. Nevertheless, imo both of them were not authentic, just played a role that helped them secure loyalty by the public, and public satisfaction: the latter translating into absence of desire to revolt.
We desperately lack politicians with practical experience of war and hardship, namely WWII. Guys like Eisenhower or Schmidt. They had little time spent on talking bull, their experiences of how bad stuff can become taught them some serious lessons on life that saved them from getting lost in imagination and dream dancing, turning things for the worse and the stupid, because with the hardship they had endured and saw the world suffering from they had learned responsibility, sense of duty, sense of realism, that so many, many, many politicians today seem to be completely free of. And they are carried by a crowd that even believes them their follies and mad fantasies, which again has its reasons.
Stupid societies tolerate stupid politicians and bring them up. Stupid politicians help to stupidify and infantilize societies. Its a mutual feeding back, the one tells something about the state of the other. And so the one becomes worse due to the other, and vice versa.
I dont expect to see a change in trend in my lifetime anymore. We flew higher than any civilization before us, all glory and greatness was ours, and we had a lasdsting poeace and amount sof freedoms and wealth unimaginable before - but we are now in a dive of increasing steepness that will end in just one way.
And self-convinced ideologists and mentally ill psychopaths are not the kind of leaders that will save us. They will drive us deeper and deeper into the mess, being completely full of themselves over it.
les green01
06-18-21, 07:07 AM
The two most overestimated presidents in modern US history: Kennedy, and Reagan.
Becoming president, was Reagan's role of his life. He was not really a good film actor, for that he was too static in expression, and different to Schwarzenegger he lacked self-humour and irnoy in his movies - but he surely knew what strings to pull and what buttons to press to make the American public and its typical American mentality playing, dancing and marching to his tune. That was his strength, and that is why he still echoes in Americans' memory until today.
In a way he compares to Merkel with that. Merkel's weaknesses lie in other fields, but she is, like Reagan, popular because she acts as if giving Germans what many of them crave for, like Americans craved for what Reagan pretended to give them: the impression of a good life in a good hiome that is safe and stable and kind of an idylle. Nevertheless, imo both of them were not authentic, just played a role that helped them secure loyalty by the public, and public satisfaction: the latter translating into absence of desire to revolt.
We desperately lack politicians with practical experience of war and hardship, namely WWII. Guys like Eisenhower or Schmidt. They had little time spent on talking bull, their experiences of how bad stuff can become taught them some serious lessons on life that saved them from getting lost in imagination and dream dancing, turning things for the worse and the stupid, because with the hardship they had endured and saw the world suffering from they had learned responsibility, sense of duty, sense of realism, that so many, many, many politicians today seem to be completely free of. And they are carried by a crowd that even believes them their follies and mad fantasies, which again has its reasons.
Stupid societies tolerate stupid politicians and bring them up. Stupid politicians help to stupidify and infantilize societies. Its a mutual feeding back, the one tells something about the state of the other. And so the one becomes worse due to the other, and vice versa.
I dont expect to see a change in trend in my lifetime anymore. We flew higher than any civilization before us, all glory and greatness was ours, and we had a lasdsting poeace and amount sof freedoms and wealth unimaginable before - but we are now in a dive of increasing steepness that will end in just one way.
And self-convinced ideologists and mentally ill psychopaths are not the kind of leaders that will save us. They will drive us deeper and deeper into the mess, being completely full of themselves over it.
with Kennedy i would agree from everything i have read including him passing naval intell to a german spy which was what got him sent too the pacific but then i wasn't even a itch in daddy pants when kennedy got his head pop off but Reagan he was top notch he beat carter hands down when he came in the military was in bad shape he turn that around didnt have the long gas lines and he play hard ball with ussr and in real life he was funny and always telling jokes and if you wrote him a letter he would write back but then when he came into office i was i think 5 years old i watch some of his speaches in the 60's on youtube
Rockstar
06-18-21, 08:08 AM
https://youtu.be/8OXQ8LmoGNw
Moonlight
06-18-21, 09:37 AM
That currant is gonna be your next President by the back door and she's going to be one of the worst Presidents you've ever had, what the hell were you yanks thinking when you voted that Biden imbecile into power. :doh:
In yesterdays news program there was an issue where the Danish Prime minister and the Leader of EU held a press meeting. They said they were glad a new leader had taken to steering wheel in USA.
Could not help thinking-Wonder if these two women in fact meant
Once again we can pull America around in the arena-And they will not know it.
Markus
Rockstar
06-18-21, 10:13 AM
That currant is gonna be your next President by the back door and she's going to be one of the worst Presidents you've ever had, what the hell were you yanks thinking when you voted that Biden imbecile into power. :doh:
Democrats and the left are just like the Qanon crowd they dont think.
- Not my problem-They(the American voters) picked Biden as their President-therefore their problems..I sleep well at night(when it comes to other countries politics that is)
What are the indication that the VP would be a bad President if Biden should resign ?
As an outside I do not follow your politics in detail, that's why I asked.
Rockstar
06-18-21, 11:09 AM
NSFW - Language. More on the hypocrisy of democrats and the left 'schifflibs' hehe
https://youtu.be/Is-jPQHv-OY
3catcircus
06-18-21, 11:30 AM
- Not my problem-They(the American voters) picked Biden as their President-therefore their problems..I sleep well at night(when it comes to other countries politics that is)
What are the indication that the VP would be a bad President if Biden should resign ?
As an outside I do not follow your politics in detail, that's why I asked.
I'll just say this. I don't for one second believe that Biden got more votes than Trump or Obama. More votes may have been *recorded* for him, but I don't believe each vote that was recorded was actually cast by a separate person.
You don't have lackluster turnout at political rallies all year long and then suddenly have an overwhelming number of votes. Vegas wouldn't take those odds...
Buddahaid
06-18-21, 11:40 AM
You do when the majority of the people wanted Trump gone more than they wanted Biden.
Rockstar
06-18-21, 11:57 AM
So what you're saying is you just didnt like Trump as a person. But you do seem to agree with Trump's policies either that you dont care one way or another about policies? I ask only because Biden hasn't made any significant changes to any of them and in fact increased support for those policies. In fact as Biden confessed, nothing will fundementally change
It's only the Dems voters who cheat, we the Rep-voters are decent we don't do that.
Trump is loved by every American-so it can't be any than cheat in our latest election.
This is what I see, by reading comments around on the internet.
The real life.
There were attempt to cheat on both side.
(Can't say how many had luck in doing this)
Trump was loved by many, but the numbers who disliked him was a couple million more.
So there you have it-lets continue with this President and his doing and undoings.
Markus
Rockstar
06-18-21, 01:34 PM
It's only the Dems voters who cheat, we the Rep-voters are decent we don't do that.
Trump is loved by every American-so it can't be any than cheat in our latest election.
This is what I see, by reading comments around on the internet.
The real life.
There were attempt to cheat on both side.
(Can't say how many had luck in doing this)
Trump was loved by many, but the numbers who disliked him was a couple million more.
So there you have it-lets continue with this President and his doing and undoings.
Markus
The arguments and conspiracey theories over cheating can finally be put to rest. Just a few days ago Trump manned up and said what he should said December 14th 2020. "We didnt win" and to wish Biden well.
Better late than never I guess.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/06/17/trump-says-he-didnt-win-the-2020-election-and-wants-biden-to-do-well/?sh=4be05401403c
3catcircus
06-18-21, 02:00 PM
The arguments and conspiracey theories over cheating can finally be put to rest. Just a few days ago Trump manned up and said what he should said December 14th 2020. "We didnt win" and to wish Biden well.
Better late than never I guess.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/06/17/trump-says-he-didnt-win-the-2020-election-and-wants-biden-to-do-well/?sh=4be05401403c
All that's doing is clearing the decks for a 2024 run. Conceding *doesn't* change whether or not Dems cheated (or Repubs for that matter). People seem to forget that both the Dems and Reps are unaccountable *private* entities that essentially have a monopoly on who is allowed to run for office in the US.
What we need in the US (and across the entire world) is to burn it all down. Every entrenched organization that is corruptible has been corrupted. We should gut the entire federal code and start fresh with just the Constitution. No pay and benefits for elected officials of any kind or for supreme court justices. No pensions. No lobbying of any kind if it involves any type of paid lobbying. No industry trade groups. No special interests. You, a private citizen, have something of concern? You bring it directly. No K-street white-shoe firms. No Wall street involvement of any kind other than increased scrutiny of the industry by competent regulators. Just average citizens elected for no more than two terms of office, period.
Rockstar
06-18-21, 02:54 PM
https://youtu.be/a4v3x5jMX2c
All that's doing is clearing the decks for a 2024 run. Conceding *doesn't* change whether or not Dems cheated (or Repubs for that matter). People seem to forget that both the Dems and Reps are unaccountable *private* entities that essentially have a monopoly on who is allowed to run for office in the US.
What we need in the US (and across the entire world) is to burn it all down. Every entrenched organization that is corruptible has been corrupted. We should gut the entire federal code and start fresh with just the Constitution. No pay and benefits for elected officials of any kind or for supreme court justices. No pensions. No lobbying of any kind if it involves any type of paid lobbying. No industry trade groups. No special interests. You, a private citizen, have something of concern? You bring it directly. No K-street white-shoe firms. No Wall street involvement of any kind other than increased scrutiny of the industry by competent regulators. Just average citizens elected for no more than two terms of office, period.
The idea looks good on paper but is unworkable in practice. Best option is to disolve the Union.
Rockstar
06-18-21, 04:07 PM
The idea looks good on paper but is unworkable in practice. Best option is to disolve the Union.
Umm, Im for preserving Union at any and all cost. What Im for is an educated electorate which could hold politicians accountable and make the desired changes.
Anyway, more on how the liberal left and Democrat moron voters are no different than those other koolaid drinkers who believe Qanon conspiracy theories and why an educated electorate is unlikely to happen. Its not Qanon thats the problem its Blue-anon. :D
https://youtu.be/cr2SmniV0HY
Rockstar
06-18-21, 04:55 PM
European trip a complete failure.
https://youtu.be/793_URPSkAM
Rockstar
06-18-21, 05:44 PM
Trumps first instinct was to get out of Syria. But the Democrat liberal left morons fell for more Qanon type conspiracy theories. Believed the headlines without question.
I like how this Sachs identifies what most call the deep state as the "permanent state" the one where it doesnt matter who the president is. This state must really love having an old guy for president who cant do much more than drool on himself. Thanks to the permanent states use of headlines and media. The gullable war mongoring democrat koolaid drinking morons on the left who believed every word of it voted out the only president in a long time who went against the permanent state, we're still in Syria.
https://youtu.be/_O2TRzA2ezk
Buddahaid
06-18-21, 10:30 PM
Of course everyone that has a divergent viewpoint is sheeple. That's the overiding principal in a two party system.
I will throw out there that the Democrat's are a far more inclusive party than the Republican's who look to exclude those who don't vote the right way, are citizens of no account, are lesser humans and should be ignored.
On the other hand, left Democrats are just as stupid in the same regard but I still think it's a far more inclusive party overall. Voting should be easy and secure.
u crank
06-19-21, 06:26 AM
I will throw out there that the Democrat's are a far more inclusive party than the Republican's who look to exclude those who don't vote the right way, are citizens of no account, are lesser humans and should be ignored.
That may be true but often it is done for the wrong reasons. "I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain’t black." That kinda sums it up. What you have in America today is less about the political divide and more about a culture war.
Rockstar
06-19-21, 06:50 AM
Of course everyone that has a divergent viewpoint is sheeple. That's the overiding principal in a two party system.
I will throw out there that the Democrat's are a far more inclusive party than the Republican's who look to exclude those who don't vote the right way, are citizens of no account, are lesser humans and should be ignored.
On the other hand, left Democrats are just as stupid in the same regard but I still think it's a far more inclusive party overall. Voting should be easy and secure.
I'll throw out Kamala went to Guatemala and told anyone wanting to seek a better life in the U.S. to stay away. She didnt tell them the legal process of applying for a visa or citizenship. She didnt say a damn thing about "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses …" Nope not that, not a word. The party of inclusivness said and I quote: "DO NOT COME". :har:
Dems also continue to build the wall, place children in the cages Biden and Obama built and have rounded up and expelled more migrants than your boogy man Trump ever has.
Only ones I see Democrats wanting to include are alt-right voters. Team Blue-anon and team Q-anon wonder twin powers activate.
3catcircus
06-19-21, 07:56 AM
Of course everyone that has a divergent viewpoint is sheeple. That's the overiding principal in a two party system.
I will throw out there that the Democrat's are a far more inclusive party than the Republican's who look to exclude those who don't vote the right way, are citizens of no account, are lesser humans and should be ignored.
On the other hand, left Democrats are just as stupid in the same regard but I still think it's a far more inclusive party overall. Voting should be easy and secure.
You know who else was inclusive? Every communist party ever - so long as you unquestioningly follow every thing they say...
Rockstar
06-19-21, 08:11 AM
The party of inclusivness and their Blue-anon followers at Khive. :roll:
Using multiple accounts to circumvent suspension violates Twitter’s rules. In fact, KHive uses the very same tactics that Twitter banned Q-Anon accounts for using. Yet still to this day, KHive proudly admits to circumventing suspensions as far back as 2015, and remains on Twitter.
In June 2020, Delarosa unleashed a call for murderous violence: “Like actually killing people for not agreeing”; mocked people promoting MLK as “too soft”; and laughed about breaking someone’s nose with one punch, while blaming the victim – “It’s his fault,” she stated.
Such declarations of violence may be why the Harris-friendly media makes little to no mention of the Queen Bee. However, there was one particularly ironic exception to the code of silence around the KHive’s menacing behavior: MSNBC’s Malcolm Nance. On Twitter, the network’s national security contributor acknowledged that some KHive tweets “openly expressed racism & violent threats”, and asked his followers to report Delarosa.
Instead of being suspended, Delarosa was hailed as KHive’s “brilliant” inspiration.
In its fawning depiction of KHive, the LA Times failed to mention that its members have taken their harassment campaigns beyond Twitter and into people’s personal lives.
Two women told HuffPost that KHive members made threats against their children.
KHive contacted one woman’s ex-husband at his place of employment to tell him he should check on their 11-year old daughter. KHive members accused another woman of being a “white supremacist,” calling her place of work 15 times to get her fired. Then someone filed a report with child protection services and falsely accused her of child abuse.
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/04/16/kamalas-khive-trolls-harassment/
Umm, Im for preserving Union at any and all cost. What Im for is an educated electorate which could hold politicians accountable and make the desired changes.
Why? the bureaucrats (eg., political parties) are running the Country, the politicians aren't rank and file citizens anymore but are from families for whom politician is the family business eg., Bush, Clinton, Long, Daley, Kennedy, etc. (to many to list)
They aren't interested in governing, but in maintaining their power, and making citizens dependent on the government, and almost every law and policy they enact does precisely that.
Buddahaid
06-19-21, 09:03 AM
You know who else was inclusive? Every communist party ever - so long as you unquestioningly follow every thing they say...
Irrelevant argument.
Rockstar
06-19-21, 09:16 AM
The result of liberal left democrat b.s. and being in power for too long. Im confident they'll find a way to blame someone else. Maybe Russia again? While they pat themselves on the back for being even more extra special and inclusive
https://youtu.be/teBgznnPpXM
Buddahaid
06-19-21, 10:38 AM
California is 40th on the list of federal funding per capita at $12.00 while Virginia is number one with over $10,000.00 per capita. Perhaps that has something to do with it?
Rockstar
06-19-21, 10:57 AM
Oh its Virginia, that's why people, business and congressional seats are leaving the Democrat paradise of California. Who would have thought, good catch.
Rockstar
06-19-21, 11:09 AM
More on how the elite liberal democrat media operates and how only the Blue-anon liberal left democrats koolaid drinkers then have the audasity to think they're the inclusive ones.
https://youtu.be/olBU619Dlsc
Some of the latest comment here, made me remember a kind of bulletin written by a newspaper leader.
This journalist wrote that democracy in USA was a hoax.
He gave some example one of them was that it is almost impossible to create a party and run for office.
To be honest, first time I read it I decided not to write about it, since I thought no one outside USA has the right to point fingers at another countries democracy.
Markus
Catfish
06-19-21, 11:49 AM
^ oh it is possible, you just have to be a millionaire, or have those on your side financing your election circus.
But then it is a constitutional republic as right wingers keep telling all the time, so not a democracy.
I will throw out there that the Democrat's are a far more inclusive party than the Republican's who look to exclude those who don't vote the right way, are citizens of no account, are lesser humans and should be ignored. On the other hand, left Democrats are just as stupid in the same regard but I still think it's a far more inclusive party overall. Voting should be easy and secure.
I do not believe that is true at all. The way I see it Republicans are not trying to exclude anyone from voting, except those who should not be included in the voter tally in the first place like the Democrats are trying to do, illegal aliens, dead people, figments of someones imagination, pets, etc. The more the merrier and they all voted Biden/Harris strangely enough.
Conservatives supporting Voter ID laws are not trying to exclude anyone. That's just Liberal hate propaganda. Conservatives just believe in one real vote for one real person, not elections decided by whose party operatives can truck in enough unverifiable votes in the dark of night at the last second to turn the outcome their way. Conservatives just want the established voting laws to be followed not illegally modified to suit somebodies vote harvesting efforts. Conservatives just want the nations federal agents to stop making up fake stories either to promote or sabotage our elected leaders. Whether or not you believe these things happened i would think it in everyone's interests to make sure these things cannot happen again.
Voter ID is a problem that Congress could easily fix. One each, completely free to the recipient, good in all 50 states, districts and territories, voter ID card issued to every US citizen of voting age. If we can put a needle in every arm we can certainly issue a stupid picture id card that would settle the whole issue once and for all but they won't. Ask yourself why. It partially because neither party can now produce one-issue legislation. Every single idea is surrounded by so many layers of patronage, tomes of unreadable legalese concealing political poison pills as to prevent it ever being decided on it's own merits.
Armistead
06-19-21, 02:03 PM
I do not believe that is true at all. The way I see it Republicans are not trying to exclude anyone from voting, except those who should not be included in the voter tally in the first place like the Democrats are trying to do, illegal aliens, dead people, figments of someones imagination, pets, etc. The more the merrier and they all voted Biden/Harris strangely enough.
Conservatives supporting Voter ID laws are not trying to exclude anyone. That's just Liberal hate propaganda. Conservatives just believe in one real vote for one real person, not elections decided by whose party operatives can truck in enough unverifiable votes in the dark of night at the last second to turn the outcome their way. Conservatives just want the established voting laws to be followed not illegally modified to suit somebodies vote harvesting efforts. Conservatives just want the nations federal agents to stop making up fake stories either to promote or sabotage our elected leaders. Whether or not you believe these things happened i would think it in everyone's interests to make sure these things cannot happen again.
Voter ID is a problem that Congress could easily fix. One each, completely free to the recipient, good in all 50 states, districts and territories, voter ID card issued to every US citizen of voting age. If we can put a needle in every arm we can certainly issue a stupid picture id card that would settle the whole issue once and for all but they won't. Ask yourself why. It partially because neither party can now produce one-issue legislation. Every single idea is surrounded by so many layers of patronage, tomes of unreadable legalese concealing political poison pills as to prevent it ever being decided on it's own merits.
There's still a mass of voting issues that the feds told states to correct years ago and they still haven't. There are some millions registered in more than 1 state, many still dead people voting {usually a family member casting the vote} Obvious the big issues this year was many officials enacted rules that overstepped state legislature authority, most certainly beneficial to Dems, but lower courts allowed it and the SCOTUS was certainly not gonna undo an election after the fact in the climate.
August will be an interesting month.
According to some of these conspiracy Trump will return in August this year.
I also remember something about a coup in the month August.
August will be very dull or very interesting.
I myself are convince the month will be very dull.
Markus
Buddahaid
06-19-21, 05:45 PM
August will be an interesting month.
According to some of these conspiracy Trump will return in August this year.
I also remember something about a coup in the month August.
August will be very dull or very interesting.
I myself are convince the month will be very dull.
Markus
Can't happen without trashing the constitution.
August will be an interesting month.
According to some of these conspiracy Trump will return in August this year.
I also remember something about a coup in the month August.
August will be very dull or very interesting.
I myself are convince the month will be very dull.
Markus
6 Months out of office and Trump is still living rent free inside your heads, give it a rest.
3catcircus
06-19-21, 08:54 PM
Can't happen without trashing the constitution.
The founders left us a blueprint explicitly telling us that it is our duty as Americans to throw off any government not following the precepts set forth by the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution is in no danger. Now, the Code of Federal Regulations... Most people don't understand that the federal government (and most state governments) have become disasters because lawmakers and executive branch have issued laws and executive orders that pretty much are unconstitutional. I completely understand average Americans feeling that politicians have dug themselves in like ticks to the point that burning it all down seems like the only solution.
6 Months out of office and Trump is still living rent free inside your heads, give it a rest.
First of all I couldn't care less who the American chose as their leader.
Second Trump is not inside my head all the time. It was a serie(Salvation) I follow on Netflix, that made me remember those conspiracy and that's why I wrote August will be an interesting month...or very dull.
I myself say it will be dull
Buddahaid wrote
"Can't happen without trashing the constitution."
The constitution is only words. and none of you can't say that there isn't a few generals in USA who are 110 % convince Trump has been removed illegally from office and is according to the constitution the rightful President.
If they do exist these Generals the question would be
What can they do about it ??
Markus
Border crisis shows few signs of slowing as migrant encounters, fentanyl seizures stay high
Border officials encountered more than 180,000 migrants in May
The Biden administration has been facing a continuing crisis at the southern border after taking office in January, and so far there are few signs of it slowing down significantly – with the number of migrants and seizures of the deadly drug fentanyl continuing to rise.
There were more than 180,000 migrant encounters in May, yet another increase from the more than 178,000 in April and that has been increasing sharply from the 78,000 in January – although the numbers have been increasing since April of last year.
The 180,034 May encounters is up massively from the 23,237 seen last year, and even higher than the 144,166 in May 2019 at the peak of that year’s border crisis.
The Biden administration has noted that 112,302 mostly single adults were expelled via Title 42 public health restrictions due to the COVID-19 pandemic, and so the numbers of migrants making multiple efforts into the U.S. may have increased. However, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has left open the possibility of ending Title 42 restrictions once the risk of the pandemic subsides – and is under pressure from the Democratic Party’s left flank to do so.
Meanwhile, images have continued to surface of unaccompanied children – who the Biden administration is not removing via Title 42 – being dumped at the border by smugglers and left to fend for themselves.
Drug seizures over all are up by 18 percent in May from April 2021. While that number is actually lower overall compared to May 2020 and a number of other months in both FY 2020 and 2021, seizures of the deadly drug fentanyl are significantly higher – up by more than 300% over May last year. CPB said that seizures of the fatal drug through May in FY 2021 are 56% higher than all of FY 2020.
Fentanyl, an opioid for pain treatment, is between 50 and 100 times more potent than morphine. More than 36,000 people died from overdoses involving synthetic opioids like fentanyl in 2019, according to the CDC.
As more migrants come to the border, it is leaving more becoming stranded in the wilderness and the increasing heat. Agents have encountered U-Hauls packed with migrants with temperatures of more than 100 degrees.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/border-crisis-not-slowing-migrant-encounters-drug-high
Rockstar
06-20-21, 11:50 AM
The party of inclusion and welcome. Thats beauty of being a liberal left democrat politician. You can outright lie to peoples faces and they believe it and the media doesnt question it. Long live Blue-Anon lol
https://youtu.be/pCl2oCJC-co
https://youtu.be/qAs9laxC-rs
Rockstar
06-20-21, 12:23 PM
Ya its 2 years old but an excellent lesson on how the liberal left democrat Blue-anon conspiracy theories make headlines. They are always good for a laugh. Bari Weiss from the NYT keeps moving the goal posts like all liberals do.
NSFW language but very funny
https://youtu.be/jS-sxJFn6O0
Rockstar
06-20-21, 02:22 PM
Kamala Harris vs Kamala Harris
and the gullable Dem BlueQanon voters of the self proclaimed party of inclusion rejoiced.
https://youtu.be/wIpv9WN3ifo
Must be confusing time for you now that, despite the fear mongering of your favorite right-wing media, the border is still not wide open. Instead, you find yourself criticizing the Biden administration for.. uh.. not encouraging illegal immigation?
And you call people gullible and morons? :haha:
Buddahaid
06-20-21, 03:44 PM
Must be confusing time for you now that, despite the fear mongering of your favorite right-wing media, the border is still not wide open. Instead, you find yourself criticizing the Biden administration for.. uh.. not encouraging illegal immigation?
And you call people gullible and morons? :haha:
Nice one. :Kaleun_Wink:
Rockstar
06-20-21, 03:48 PM
Right wing media, really? You might want to sober up just a bit before you start posting things like that again. Just trying to help you out buddy. Because it's readily apparrent you haven't watched one video or researched who Jimmy Dore is and more importantly tried to understand why he does what does.
Rockstar
06-20-21, 05:01 PM
NSFW language but hilarious.
https://youtu.be/6QynoJjm2lU
Right wing media, really? You might want to sober up just a bit before you start posting things like that again. Just trying to help you out buddy. Because it's readily apparrent you haven't watched one video or researched who Jimmy Dore is and more importantly tried to understand why he does what does.
I'm not talking about your videos, nor do I care who
Dore is or what he does.
I was talking about the fear mongering in the right-wing media about
Open Borders if Biden was elected.
This of course has yet to happen as prophesied.
Rockstar
06-20-21, 05:21 PM
I'm not talking about your videos, nor do I care who
Dore is or what he does.
I was talking about the fear mongering in the right-wing media about
Open Borders if Biden was elected.
This of course has yet to happen as prophesied.
Whats you point then, why are you even addressing this question to me? What fear mongering from what right wing media are you talking about?
Buddahaid
06-20-21, 06:16 PM
Whats you point then, why are you even addressing this question to me? What fear mongering from what right wing media are you talking about?
Nice, I think you know very well what the point is, if not, then that right wing media is working better than I imagined. :Kaleun_Cheers:
Dowly has no real point. He's just here to troll anyone he deems as right wing which to him is anyone not to his left. Ignore him.
Porous, even if not totally open borders, is and continues to be a huge problem for our country. Our government has the capability to secure them, especially our southern one, but they lack the will. To me that is dereliction of duty at best and treason at worst.
Buddahaid
06-20-21, 11:27 PM
That seems like a personal attack. His point was valid and not subject to your approval.
Rockstar
06-21-21, 08:22 AM
Oligarchy at WaPo stops fact checking.
Biden promises not to seize private property or continue to build Trumps wall. Gulliable liberal voters belive it and begin patting themselves on back for being more inclusive migrant friendly.
Once in office and Biden administration begins seizing private property and continues to build wall.
https://youtu.be/SN3mRDaM7_E
3catcircus
06-21-21, 08:24 AM
Noseebutbutsee - he didn't put out any mean tweets about it...
Wapo stops fact checking.
Biden says will not seize private property or continue to build Trumps wall. Gulliable liberal voters belive it and begin patting themselves on back for being inclusive migrant friendly.
Biden is in office and his administration begins seizing private property to continue building wall.
https://youtu.be/SN3mRDaM7_E
Let me see if I got this right.
Before the election-Biden said the wall who is partial build will be removed or stopped.
Now as a President he decided to continue the build .
Is this correct ?
Markus
Rockstar
06-21-21, 12:22 PM
Let me see if I got this right.
Before the election-Biden said the wall who is partial build will be removed or stopped.
Now as a President he decided to continue the build .
Is this correct ?
Markus
Jimmy Dore used to be a Democrat, then an independant and now a member of the orginal Bernie platform known as the Peoples Party. Though I'm sure I could agree on somethings, I'm not a big fan of any of them. BUT, in my opinion Jimmy's observations are spot on and entertaining. Its what happens when people stop being gullable mindless followers of bold faced lies.
Such when liberal left dem platform was to condem Trump immigration policies. Championed for migrants, said they would end the wall, welcome the poor and huddled masses.
Of course after that dog and pony show it gives democrat voters a sense of being more inclusive and better than eveyone else assuring a Biden win.
But then after they got rid of Trump. The media remains silent therefore the gullable morons remain ignorant. As Biden not only tells migrants "do not come" he turns them away, keeps the cages and continues to build the wall even going so far as to demand California build private prison systems for migrants.
Instead of believing a youtube video, you could've checked what's happening with the wall.
Biden administration pulled the funding from it, it's not being built.
"gullable mindless followers of bold faced lies" :haha:
Rockstar
06-21-21, 02:50 PM
Instead of believing a youtube video, you could've checked what's happening with the wall.
Biden administration pulled the funding from it, it's not being built.
"gullable mindless followers of bold faced lies" :haha:
The devil is in the details, try reading them while keeping in mind his campaign promise of not "another foot of wall,"
Catfish
06-21-21, 03:04 PM
Let me see if I got this right.
Before the election-Biden said the wall who is partial build will be removed or stopped.
Now as a President he decided to continue the build .
Is this correct ?
Markus
Trump said he'd build the wall but somehow it did not happen. Whether Mexico did not want to pay for it or not enough money, not enough time, whatever. Anyway it was delayed, (on December 22, 2018, the federal government went into a shutdown due to Trump's demand for $5.6 billion in federal funds to begin work on the wall. By January 12, 2019, the shutdown became the longest budget shutdown in U.S. history.) until Trump made it a national security order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13767) in 2019.
Biden said he will stop building the wall, but i do not know whether national law can always beat local residential law? In one of the links they say it is a local/residential decision.
Also, what happens with the parts of the wall that have been begun building, there are judicial problems with contracts the government and private building companies have signed. Then there is the money that has been donated to Trump's project of building that wall.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/30/us/border-wall-construction-stopped/index.html
Dowly are correct.
So instead of asking you my friends I should have made a search for articles mention this subject.
First article
Biden, a Democrat, issued an executive order on Jan. 20 - his first day in office - that paused wall construction, saying "a massive wall that spans the entire southern border is not a serious policy solution."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-route-us-border-wall-funds-military-construction-site-clean-up-2021-06-11/
Second article
"The 60-day window has come and gone," said Luke Ellis, a Texas attorney representing border landowners in court. "The most recent update we have from the lawyers for the government ... is that they still don't know what is going to happen."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pledging-build-trumps-border-wall-bidens-intentions-remain/story?id=76928099
So we have two partial directions-One says Biden has fully stopped the build and have en route U.S. border wall funds to military and construction site clean up
While the second is unclear whether Biden & Co has stopped the construction or not.
Markus
Rockstar
06-21-21, 04:44 PM
Campaign promise: Not one more foot!
Biden admin to finish a 13 MILE section of wall.
Confused? Me too.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-administration-to-finish-13-mile-section-of-trumps-border-wall-in-texas/ar-BB1gFOFC
That seems like a personal attack. His point was valid and not subject to your approval.
I wasn't granting or withholding "approval" to anyone, but in the same vein my posts aren't subject to your approval either so thank you for your unrequested opinion but I really don't care what you think.
Rockstar
06-21-21, 10:36 PM
If you voted for Biden. Do you feel like a chump yet? :haha:
Biden packs immigration courts with Trump judges. WOW, Im begining to like how ol' Joe is handling immigration!
https://youtu.be/3gqt1IT57qY
Campaign promise: Not one more foot!
Biden admin to finish a 13 MILE section of wall.
Confused? Me too.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-administration-to-finish-13-mile-section-of-trumps-border-wall-in-texas/ar-BB1gFOFC
To be clear, wall construction remains paused to extent permitted by law. Per DHS, we’ve started critical work to repair the Rio Grande Valley’s flood levee, which was excavated to make way for border wall. This remediation work will not involve expanding border barrier.
https://twitter.com/USACEHQ/status/1392636847612911617
Rockstar
06-22-21, 07:29 AM
https://twitter.com/USACEHQ/status/1392636847612911617
At the beginning of his presidency, Biden paused border wall construction and land acquisition until a a 60-day review of Trump’s border wall could be completed. The review tasked those involved to decide where the money set aside for the wall could be redirected. The 60-day mark passed more than 30 days ago without any results.
The pause on wall construction continues, but as a result of the delay in the review or a permanent stop to wall construction, a judge last week agreed to give the government six acres of land in Hidalgo County, Texas, for the purpose of wall construction despite the Justice Department asking the court to wait until its review was complete. The case is one of more than 200 eminent domain cases started under the Trump administration that still continue today.
Rockstar
06-22-21, 09:15 AM
https://youtu.be/C_0QKhCF2Cs
The 60-day mark passed more than 30 days ago without any results.
Biden admin. announced on June 11th that the money Trump took from Pentagon for the wall are being returned. Sounds like a result to me.
The pause on wall construction continues, but as a result of the delay in the review or a permanent stop to wall construction, a judge last week agreed to give the government six acres of land in Hidalgo County, Texas, for the purpose of wall construction despite the Justice Department asking the court to wait until its review was complete. The case is one of more than 200 eminent domain cases started under the Trump administration that still continue today.
Then blame the judge.
Rockstar
06-22-21, 03:02 PM
See post #144
See post #144Ok, I checked post #144 (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2724399&postcount=144), now what? :doh:
Rockstar
06-22-21, 03:17 PM
Ok, I checked post #144 (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2724399&postcount=144), now what? :doh:
Made ya look
Have been thinking a little(well I tried ya know)
How many miles of this wall have been build so far.
Made a search and found this wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_wall
By January 5, 2021, the U.S. had built new or replacement wall along 452 miles
In the end of the first paragraph(I think it is called) following can be read
"
Initially, on January 20, 2021, newly inaugurated U.S. president Joe Biden terminated the national emergency and halted construction of the wall, but the Secretary of Homeland Security later hinted that the construction of the wall may continue under Biden's administration.
"
So my question is.
Will the wall(452 miles) be left as it is ?
Will it be demolished ?
Will Biden & Co continue to construction of this famous wall ?
I just want to know what's up and down in all this.
Markus
Moonlight
06-22-21, 05:17 PM
It would be bloody funny if the drug cartels got themselves some expert mining engineers and blew that wall to pieces, how far away is that wall from the border anyway?, I'm only asking out of curiosity, I don't work for the cartels. :O:
It would be bloody funny if the drug cartels got themselves some expert mining engineers and blew that wall to pieces, how far away is that wall from the border anyway?, I'm only asking out of curiosity, I don't work for the cartels. :O:
What would be their motivation for doing that?
Armistead
06-22-21, 08:33 PM
Have been thinking a little(well I tried ya know)
How many miles of this wall have been build so far.
Made a search and found this wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_wall
By January 5, 2021, the U.S. had built new or replacement wall along 452 miles
In the end of the first paragraph(I think it is called) following can be read
"
Initially, on January 20, 2021, newly inaugurated U.S. president Joe Biden terminated the national emergency and halted construction of the wall, but the Secretary of Homeland Security later hinted that the construction of the wall may continue under Biden's administration.
"
So my question is.
Will the wall(452 miles) be left as it is ?
Will it be demolished ?
Will Biden & Co continue to construction of this famous wall ?
I just want to know what's up and down in all this.
Markus
As of now with his executive orders all work has been halted on the walls. Biden says he will not tear down any of the existing wall, tho some environmental groups are applying pressure. Biden also removed Trump's emergency declaration for the border. Approved funding will be diverted to other "security projects" tho there are several issues that have to be resolved with ongoing contracts, basically a lot of money will have to be paid out with no results of anything being built.
Harris certainly has changed her tune since her campaign https://www.facebook.com/cootergilliam/videos/10219927972889272
Catfish
06-23-21, 01:48 AM
It would be bloody funny if the drug cartels got themselves some expert mining engineers and blew that wall to pieces [-...]
:D I guess "the cartels" send their stuff through the regular border crossings, no need to draw attention ..
Moonlight
06-23-21, 05:12 AM
What would be their motivation for doing that? I don't know, maybe dent that "Ego" you've got a tad, a good kick in the walls would do that and the rest of the world would be laughing at you as well, a deflated Democrat party would have some serious explaining to do. :O:
:D I guess "the cartels" send their stuff through the regular border crossings, no need to draw attention ..
If that's true, then the USA need to overhaul the border force because it's not bleeding working is it?. :o
It would be bloody funny if the drug cartels got themselves some expert mining engineers and blew that wall to pieces, how far away is that wall from the border anyway?, I'm only asking out of curiosity, I don't work for the cartels. :O:
The cartels already have them, but they are currently busy building more tunnels.
On March 19, 2020, a tunnel connecting Tijuana to San Diego was discovered by the San Diego Tunnel Task Force. The tunnel extended 2,000 feet (610 m) and was outfitted with an underground rail system, ventilation, and lighting. Over 1,300 pounds (590 kilograms) of cocaine, 86 pounds (39 kilograms) of methamphetamine, 17 pounds (7.7 kilograms) of heroin, 3,000 pounds (1,360 kilograms) of marijuana and 2 pounds (0.9 kilograms) of fentanyl were seized
Rockstar
06-23-21, 08:25 AM
NSFW language adult humor
"Congratulations you voted for Joe Biden and things are getting worse."
https://youtu.be/Z1z-nBYXv48
Rockstar
06-23-21, 09:23 AM
"End. Stop. Done. Over. Not going to do it. Withdraw the lawsuits. We’re out. We’re not going to confiscate the land,” - The Democrats
But Biden’s democrat administration has not withdrawn from court cases to seize land for the wall. It has even conceded that the wall could continue to be built or modified.
So it does seem he has the wall on hold. But is demanding California allow construction of privately owned migrant detention centers instead. Bidenettes can really pick a winner. Wonder what Schiff and Pelosi have to say? Nothing thats what, liberal left democrats know there's money to be made by allowing illegal migrants in capturing them and housing them in for profit detention centers.
Only promise Joe Biden has kept to date is "nothing will fundementally change" The author of the crime bill knows building prisons is a sure fire way to strengthen democrat cronism so Bidenettes can make money.
Liberals: Stop the wall, Trump is racist!
Liberals: Proceeds to demand more 'for profit prisons' to house the migrants flooding the border. :har:
I don't know, maybe dent that "Ego" you've got a tad, a good kick in the walls would do that and the rest of the world would be laughing at you as well, a deflated Democrat party would have some serious explaining to do. :O:
The rest of the world has laughed at us since our founding, we hardly care as we laugh at the them too. They do manage to avoid looking down their snooty noses at us when they need our help to rescue them from the evil Germans though now don't they. Some criminal cartel giving us a good kick in the walls, as you put it, would only piss us off. Ask the Japanese what happens when you attack us. Our government would probably welcome it too as there's nothing like a foreign threat to unite discordant domestic factions.
Moonlight
06-23-21, 04:44 PM
Pffft, is that it, you can only come up with the Germans again, the world has changed from the 1940's and it's time your mindset did too. :O:
The first time you pick a fight with a large technologically advanced country is the day that the USA's dominance will be over, in fact, if I remember right, some inferior countries gave the USA more than a fat lip when they interfered with their internal politics.
Look to the East old boy, there lies your Huckleberry. :yep:
An interesting thought.
Today USA is a Superpower, thanks to WWII(have learned this from books and documentaries)
Could USA lose this position if they went to war against...let say China or Russia ?
Markus
Rockstar
06-23-21, 05:16 PM
An interesting thought.
Today USA is a Superpower, thanks to WWII(have learned this from books and documentaries)
Could USA lose this position if they went to war against...let say China or Russia ?
Markus
IMO for all the sabre rattling we hear of in the news all the time. Because of intertwined global economy a full scale shooting war is IMO less likely now than it has ever been in history. Global dominance will not be won with bullets but with currency.
I know it might sound crazy-anon. But when I see the 911 targets and the effect the spread of covid had on our economy. I tend to see things like that as attacks on the U.S. economy. Kill our economy and we may be forced to withdraw from the global arena. But I tellya for all our faults without the U.S. involved in global affairs I think things would be much much worse than it is now. The world would I think catch fire.
3catcircus
06-23-21, 05:17 PM
An interesting thought.
Today USA is a Superpower, thanks to WWII(have learned this from books and documentaries)
Could USA lose this position if they went to war against...let say China or Russia ?
Markus
The collective US leadership is weak and stupid and cares more about feelings than getting stuff done and they have been since the 1960s.
There should be only one focus during a war. Kill your enemies by any means necessary. Destroy their means of making war. Crush their will to fight.
The US and most of its citizens are entirely too soft to fight a war with the will to win.
I claim that...
Whatever the means of how a war will start, if it's fought with currency, with cyberattacks, the end of the war will be fought with bombs, missile and guns.
Markus
Moonlight
06-23-21, 05:54 PM
I don't think so Markus, that blood and guts nonsense is so 20th century, besides that, the well fed young citizenry will out populate the older citizens soon and they'll dominate the election booths too.
Any western leader who bangs the war drums will not be banging them for long I can tell you, future world wars are not going to be fought with humans like in the past wars but with new modern designs like drones and whatnot.
Buddahaid
06-23-21, 06:02 PM
The collective US leadership is weak and stupid and cares more about feelings than getting stuff done and they have been since the 1960s.
There should be only one focus during a war. Kill your enemies by any means necessary. Destroy their means of making war. Crush their will to fight.
The US and most of its citizens are entirely too soft to fight a war with the will to win.
You sound like you want to start one.
Pffft, is that it, you can only come up with the Germans again, the world has changed from the 1940's and it's time your mindset did too. :O:
The first time you pick a fight with a large technologically advanced country is the day that the USA's dominance will be over, in fact, if I remember right, some inferior countries gave the USA more than a fat lip when they interfered with their internal politics.
Look to the East old boy, there lies your Huckleberry. :yep:
You sound like you hope it will happen buddy, but don't forget the next time we go to war with a large technologically advanced county that is quite likely the day that your country, along with ours and everyone elses, is turned into radioactive wastelands so don't act so eager.
We did not ask for this role as world policeman but it was your country far more than others that pushed us into taking up that mantle to protect your dying empire.
We had to send our boys overseas to die twice during the last century because you got yourselves in a pickle with your neighbors. You ask me we and the world would have been far better off if we'd have just let you settle it amongst yourselves. Had we done that in 1917 maybe there wouldn't have been a second war.
Texas Red
06-24-21, 04:02 AM
I don’t think many people on either side of politics don’t know what they are talking about to some extent.
With the Republicans wishing for a full blown military coup similar to what happened in Myanmar, it leaves me questioning the sanity of the people who said it would be a good idea.
Those people who support it have really no idea how bad and horrible a military takeover would be. I am also pretty sure that if the military did successfully take over Trump wouldn’t be put into power, the country would be run by a military Junta which arguably could be worse than having Trump as president.
With the Republicans wishing for a full blown military coup similar to what happened in Myanmar, it leaves me questioning the sanity of the people who said it would be a good idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZYUgwfWAS0
Texas Red
06-24-21, 04:16 AM
I wish it wasn’t true…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/06/01/us/politics/flynn-coup-gohmert-qanon.amp.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/162586/michael-flynn-trump-myanmar-coup
Moonlight
06-24-21, 04:51 AM
You sound like you hope it will happen buddy.
No, no, no, I'm against war as they've never achieved a satisfactory outcome, not for the winner and definitely not for the loser.
We did not ask for this role as world policeman but it was your country far more than others that pushed us into taking up that mantle to protect your dying empire.
Wrong, you Americans wanted it.
How America Became the World’s Policeman
https://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=6336
After WWII, the Old Right became the strongest force resisting a foreign policy of anti-communism that became the heart of the Cold War. One reason: They thought a Cold War would lead to imperialism abroad and totalitarianism at home, because power would need to be centralized in the executive branch.
The other side of the debate consisted largely of anti-communist politicians and corporate liberals who clamoured to establish a permanent network of military bases, economic interventions and alliances around the world. Corporate liberals are businessmen who are notorious for pushing through anti-free market measures in order to profit from them. They enter into an unofficial partnership with sympathetic politicians and together become a ruling elite.
The elite side won, and it did so definitively. Today’s runaway foreign policy is rooted directly in their victory back in 1947
Your government see China as an enemy and not as an economic competitor, that mentality needs to change before it unleashes something beyond your governments control. These modern youngsters will be far more anti-war demonstrative than the student demo's of the Vietnam war era, and that alone will make the war drum bangers unelectable, the old politicians of the 20th century will be outnumbered in 20 years or so, the thing is, their time is already up and they're too blinkered to see it.
Skybird
06-24-21, 06:07 AM
The courses plot in the Great Orange Party are reasons for major concerns. The US, as I see it, is increasingly destabilizing and pushing towards a shamelessly unhidden tyranny.
If this momentum is not brought to a stop in the coming few years, the US soon will be where we once have been.
The GOP in general and the left extremists amongst Democrats are extremely worrying. My outlook on the US is dystopian.
Buddahaid
06-24-21, 09:39 PM
Pretty amazing how General Milley slaps down the GOP over what's taught in military acadamies, over what caused January 6th, express offense at the military being accused of being too woke, and then see Matt Gaetz shake his stupid moronic fat head in disagreement.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/06/23/general-mark-milley-critical-race-theory-matt-gaetz-vpx.cnn
Texas Red
06-24-21, 11:23 PM
My respect for General Miley just went off the charts with his comments ^^^
Can we all just agree for once on one thing in this thread; Gaetz is one of the weirdest, most stupid looking man on this spinning ball. He looks like one of those memes where you take one half of someone's face and then just mirror it on the other side.
Rockstar
06-25-21, 06:04 AM
https://youtu.be/zeHqZT-NsxE
Rockstar
06-25-21, 06:19 AM
https://youtu.be/epjzLHzfuUU
3catcircus
06-25-21, 06:44 AM
Pretty amazing how General Milley slaps down the GOP over what's taught in military acadamies, over what caused January 6th, express offense at the military being accused of being too woke, and then see Matt Gaetz shake his stupid moronic fat head in disagreement.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/06/23/general-mark-milley-critical-race-theory-matt-gaetz-vpx.cnn
My respect for General Miley just went off the charts with his comments ^^^
Wow - neither of you are able to get that both Milley and SecDef initially stated they don't teach CRT - until confronted with the receipts. Then they backpedaled and defended teaching it. That isn't worthy of respect or praise - it's worthy of derision. Had they unapologetically stated that they did teach it, I could at least respect them not trying to triangulate the "right" answer for their audiences...
Fact of the matter is that CRT and other "wokism" crap is a cancer that does nothing to make the military better able to fight wars. It does nothing to make citizens respect each others' rights. It only serves to divide the US along racial lines (the communists used class instead of race in Lenin's and Mao's times) while keeping the grift going for those getting paid to teach it.
Rockstar
06-25-21, 07:34 AM
I believe the concen of Geatz had was he heard CRT woke political activism taught at West Point. Seems he may have heard right. But by the sound of it was given the run around by two people trying to cover their tracks.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/crt-whiplash-black-pentagon-chief-rejects-it-white-top-general-wants-to-understand-white-rage
To top it off Carol Anderson also seems to have promoted a call for the military to resist the Commander in Chief. So ya I can see why some officers may have had some concern.
Yet when confronted we were told flat out by SecDef they dont teach that. :roll:. And the general? That clown actually stated he has to read a book about his whiteness. LOL
Buddahaid
06-25-21, 08:18 AM
CRT is just another Mr. Potato Head flap to keep the Trumpism base angry as a substitute for having anything like a plan.
Oh, look! Another manufactured outrage over nothing to keep the conservative masses feeling angry and victimized.
"gullable mindless followers of bold faced lies" :haha:
3catcircus
06-25-21, 01:03 PM
I believe the concen of Geatz had was he heard CRT woke political activism taught at West Point. Seems he may have heard right. But by the sound of it was given the run around by two people trying to cover their tracks.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/crt-whiplash-black-pentagon-chief-rejects-it-white-top-general-wants-to-understand-white-rage
To top it off Carol Anderson also seems to have promoted a call for the military to resist the Commander in Chief. So ya I can see why some officers may have had some concern.
Yet when confronted we were told flat out by SecDef they dont teach that. :roll:. And the general? That clown actually stated he has to read a book about his whiteness. LOL
We don't have "leaders" in the senior officer or NCO corps. Anyone who reaches O-7+ or E-8+ is nowadays too often a ticket-punching yes-man who serves the interests of the military-industrial complex rather than those of the citizenry.
Eisenhower doesn't know just how right he was...
Pretty amazing how General Milley slaps down the GOP over what's taught in military acadamies, over what caused January 6th, express offense at the military being accused of being too woke, and then see Matt Gaetz shake his stupid moronic fat head in disagreement.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/06/23/general-mark-milley-critical-race-theory-matt-gaetz-vpx.cnn
Miley compared CRT with works by Mao, Lenin, Hitler and others. They study such foundational writings of despots and their regimes as a way to gain insight into the mind of their enemy in order to better fight them.
But there's a big difference between studying them and being indoctrinated in them. As long as CRT is being presented as another crackpot ideology to be aware of in case they need to defeat an enemy that believes in it, rather than being presented as an officially recommended belief system for young officers to follow then I am fine with it.
I think however that Gaetz suspects it's the latter and not the former which is what I suspect as well given that's what is going on in our schools.
Buddahaid
06-25-21, 05:25 PM
It's been around for forty years so why is it now a big talking point? Something perhaps related to keeping Trump supporters angry?
It's been around for forty years so why is it now a big talking point? Something perhaps related to keeping Trump supporters angry?
LOL, that's an easy question, one word answer "pandemic". Because of the pandemic, schools were shuttered and class instruction went virtual. That means all those parents were now seeing and hearing exactly what was being taught to their children and they are not happy.
Buddahaid
06-25-21, 07:56 PM
LOL, that's an easy question, one word answer "pandemic". Because of the pandemic, schools were shuttered and class instruction went virtual. That means all those parents were now seeing and hearing exactly what was being taught to their children and they are not happy.
Pretty funny. :Kaleun_Wink:
Subnuts
06-25-21, 08:01 PM
My second grade teacher in 1993 outright told everyone in class that slavery existed and that racism was bad, and I don't remember any of the parents threatening to burn down the school afterwards. :k_confused:
It's been around for forty years so why is it now a big talking point? Something perhaps related to keeping Trump supporters angry?
I imagine you would prefer that but the truth is like MaDef says, as well as the fact that in recent years the left has amped up their efforts to convince us that America exists just to keep the black man down.
Buddahaid
06-25-21, 08:26 PM
I imagine you would prefer that but the truth is like MaDef says, as well as the fact that in recent years the left has amped up their efforts to convince us that America exists just to keep the black man down.
I don't feel that way about it but I don't see how anyone can deny the US has been and still is racist in many ways, I mean the Civil Rights Act came about almost at the bicentennial!
I don't feel that way about it but I don't see how anyone can deny the US has been and still is racist in many ways, I mean the Civil Rights Act came about almost at the bicentennial!
Oh bull nations aren't racist, people are racist, people of all colors, and you can't legislate peoples hearts. But you can certainly play off one side against the other like CRT is designed to do.
Since you mention it let me ask you, what exactly did the huge government expansion called the civil rights act solve? What makes it more significant that the bloody war to end slavery fought a century before when the nation was still quite young?
Buddahaid
06-25-21, 09:04 PM
Really? Fine, the dirt isn't racist. If companies are considered a person then a nation is considered a person and then collectively has a shared responsibility. What the CRA solved is not the issue, that it needed to be enacted is.
Really? Fine, the dirt isn't racist. If companies are considered a person then a nation is considered a person and then collectively has a shared responsibility. What the CRA solved is not the issue, that it needed to be enacted is.
If you can't claim it solved anything then you can't claim that it needed to be enacted. All it ended up being is another power grab by Washington like every other misguided do-gooder idea.
Oh bull nations aren't racist, people are racist, people of all colors, and you can't legislate peoples hearts. But you can certainly play off one side against the other like CRT is designed to do.
Since you mention it let me ask you, what exactly did the huge government expansion called the civil rights act solve? What makes it more significant that the bloody war to end slavery fought a century before when the nation was still quite young?OOH..OOH... I know this one, the CRA of 1964 declared people were equal and should be treated the same way, regardless of race, color or national origin. The civil war ended slavery, and while it was the catalyst for the war, "States Rights", the "Role of the Federal Government", and "Preservation of the Union". were the underlying cause of the war.
^ I didn't see you put your hand up!! :timeout:
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