Who / What / Where Game Part 2

[Catfish]

Military?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Yes

[Jimbuna]

American?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Catfish]

Submarine?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Yes

[Catfish]

British?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Yes

[Catfish]

H.M.S. X1?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

https://i.imgur.com/3aHfrZw.jpeg

[Catfish]

X-craft?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Aktungbby]

WW II?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Catfish]

M 1?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Catfish]

K class type?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

https://i.imgur.com/bAOG4zW.jpeg

[Catfish]

HMS Swordfish?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

https://i.imgur.com/6ynD0Gk.jpeg

[Catfish]

From ww1?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Aktungbby]

oil on canvas?

[Eichhörnchen]

I couldn't say since this is a printed image. More likely to have been gouache and/or watercolour

[Catfish]

Earlier than ww1?

[Aktungbby]

Holland class?

[Catfish]

^ thought so but the bow or stern in the picture does not match(?)

A-class?

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/8PpW3uo.jpeg

(Box art for Mikro's 1:144 scale plastic kit)

https://i.imgur.com/4DNIsoD.jpeg Royal Navy's first sub

https://i.imgur.com/YwjROmi.jpeg

[Ostfriese]

^ thought so but the bow or stern in the picture does not match(?)



That was my thought as well, but alas, here we are with Vinny at the helm again :D

[Aktungbby]

That was my thought as well, but alas,:Kaleun_Crying: here we are with Vinny at the helm again :D:timeout:...more of a frigid 'tillermann' actually!:arrgh!:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=10729 I tediously went through old chart-displays of all British submarines from 1890-1945, https://www.prints-online.com/p/164/british-submarines-50-years-4451023.jpg.webp looking for a round-bow sub before concluding it wasn't a class A, B, or C which left only the early US invented Holland class built by Vickers Ltd. for the Royal Navy??!!:yeah: WHAT"S THIS gizmo? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=13658

[Eichhörnchen]

A submarine?

[Aktungbby]

nope but it could ride very low on the surface; and was built largely from plywood.

[Eichhörnchen]

Was it jet powered?

[Commander Wallace]

A PT Boat ? For our Brit friends, MTB's and MGB's.

[Aktungbby]

Was it jet powered?

A PT Boat ? For our Brit friends, MTB's and MGB's.nope to both a yaz...HINT: there's one in a museum.

[Commander Wallace]

A roller Coaster ?

[Aktungbby]

...as in amusement ride??nope

[Catfish]

From civil war times?
Like the 'David'

[Eichhörnchen]

pre-1900?

[Ostfriese]

A submersible?

[Aktungbby]

From civil war times?
Like the 'David'nope, developed for WW II secret operations

pre-1900? see above:roll:

A submersible? YES!:yeah:...only two were ever built(out of a proposed five)...the need for their top secret use :shifty:was superceded by the other top secret 'big bang theory': Manhattan Project.:dead:

[Ostfriese]

GIMIK semi submersible, exhibited at Battleship Cove?

[Aktungbby]

bingo! :yeah: err alas over to Ostibby! :ahoy::O: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=13646 https://static.wixstatic.com/media/097707_a130c73ebef34eb48f1cf98f219c3f6e~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_280,h_189,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_avif, quality_auto/gimik-underway.jpg https://www.wickedlocal.com/gcdn/authoring/2013/08/16/NWKL/ghows-WL-dfc6aeac-2eb6-4e70-885c-1c42e8068864-4604b64a.jpeg?width=660&height=485&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp In the late autumn of 1945, as far as anyone knew, American troops would land on the Japanese home islands, where hundreds of thousands of them would be butchered by Japanese troops who believed surrender to be worse than death.

It would have dwarfed the invasion of France, drowned the memory of Normandy Beach in blood.

Out near Catalina Island, in the waters off California, young George McCullough, a 19-year-old naval ensign out of Texas, was learning to sail a secret boat.

The boat, called a GIMIK, was meant to take an American pilot and two Koreans onto the shores of Japan, where the Koreans would be sent out as spies. The American pilot would take the boat back to the submarine from which it was launched. If he could.

[Ostfriese]

Yay!


Here we go with the next one:


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13665


HINT: the picture only shows a model, but it's a model of something that really existed, so no Star Trek model this time :D

[Eichhörnchen]

Does it utilise an electric current?

[Jimbuna]

A ship?

[Ostfriese]

Does it utilise an electric current?


No, I don't think so.

A ship?


Yes.

[Eichhörnchen]

Was this a famous, singular vessel or was it one of several?

[Jimbuna]

Steam driven?

[Ostfriese]

Was this a famous, singular vessel or was it one of several?


Don't know if "famous" fits, but it was unique.

[Ostfriese]

Steam driven?


No.

Clarification: I said it was a ship, but the broader term "vessel" is probably more appropriate.

[Jimbuna]

British?

[Ostfriese]

British?

Afraid not.

[Eichhörnchen]

Another submersible?

[Jimbuna]

French?

[Ostfriese]

Neither submersible nor French

[Eichhörnchen]

Sail power?

[Ostfriese]

Sail power?

No. No sails involved

[mapuc]

Military ?

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Military ?

Markus

Not originally, but it was eventually used in a military role.

[mapuc]

Kind of riverboat ?

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Kind of riverboat ?

Markus

In it‘s military role it was used on a river, so it is Kind of a river boat

[Eichhörnchen]

Diesel powered?

[Ostfriese]

Diesel powered?

No, sorry

[mapuc]

Gasturbine ?

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Gasturbine ?

Markus

Not a Gas Turbine either

[Eichhörnchen]

jet power?

[Ostfriese]

jet power?


No, and before somebody asks for it: it's not nuclear powered either, as it predates both the jet age and the nuclear age by quite a bit.

[Aktungbby]

:hmmm:screw or paddlewheel(s) driven?

[Ostfriese]

:hmmm:screw or paddlewheel(s) driven?


Neither.

[Catfish]

Roman?

[Ostfriese]

Roman?


That's much too far in the past.

[Eichhörnchen]

Human powered?

[Ostfriese]

Human powered?


You mean like oarsmen? No.

[Eichhörnchen]

did it carry people?

[Ostfriese]

did it carry people?


In it's military role it was crewed.

[Catfish]

No propulsion, hmm. Is it a ferry?

[Ostfriese]

No propulsion, hmm. Is it a ferry?


No propulsion is correct, but in it's military role it did more than just transport something, so not a ferry.

[Jimbuna]

Used on an African river?

[Ostfriese]

Used on an African river?


^No.

[Jimbuna]

Belonged to a European country?

[Catfish]

A 'Treidelkahn' like from the river Saar? Tow boat?
Like here first picture top left:
https://www.saar-nostalgie.de/Treidelschifffahrt.htm

L'Anna-Léonie 1937 avec un chargement de coke (mit einer Ladung Koks) et Anne-Marie, Eugénie, Ernest & Henri Kind à bord

[Jimbuna]

^ Could well be Kai

[Ostfriese]

Belonged to a European country?


Not European. This also means not a Treidelkahn.

[Jimbuna]

American?

[Ostfriese]

American?


Yes.

[Jimbuna]

Mississippi?

[Ostfriese]

Mississippi?


Correct country, wrong river.

[Jimbuna]

Well that narrows it down to a few hundred :)

Is it a national river?

[Catfish]

Flatboat or keelboat?

[Ostfriese]

Well that narrows it down to a few hundred :)

Is it a national river?


I don't know the difference between a national river and others, but I (as a European) know the river - and I doubt I could name more than ten rivers in the USA.


@Kai: I'm not 100% certain, but I would say it's extremely likely that it was flat-bottomed.

[Catfish]

Missouri?

[Aktungbby]

armed?

[Ostfriese]

Missouri?


^No.

[Ostfriese]

armed?


Not armed

[Aktungbby]

are those copper or bronze containers?

[Ostfriese]

are those copper or bronze containers?


I don't know what they are made of, sorry.



A slightly larger part of the picture:


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13666

[Aktungbby]

used on Hudson river?

[Catfish]

Ohio?

[Ostfriese]

used on Hudson river?


Closest one yet, but not there.


Ohio?




No

[Aktungbby]

gotta be the Erie Canal then

[Ostfriese]

gotta be the Erie Canal then
Further south

[mapuc]

Used in the Civil war ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Ohio River?

[Ostfriese]

Used in the Civil war ?

Markus


Yes.

Ohio River?


Kai already asked that. No.

[mapuc]

Potomac River ?

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Potomac River ?

Markus


Yes.

[Jimbuna]

Nancy boat?

[Ostfriese]

Nancy boat?

I have no clue what a nancy boat is, and google didn‘t help me either, but it didn‘t Show the thing in question, so I guess it‘s not a nancy boat.

[Eichhörnchen]

A Nancy boat is a boat full of effeminate sailors featured in a TV advert for perfume

[Ostfriese]

Definitely Not a nancy boat then :D:up:

Another hint: for it‘s military mission almost everything above deck level was removed, it had next to no superstructure.

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/nC9AFUS.jpeg

The GWP Custis balloon barge

[Eichhörnchen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIJb5NAuit0

[Ostfriese]

https://i.imgur.com/nC9AFUS.jpeg

The GWP Custis balloon barge


The very one :) Effectively the US Navy's first aircraft carrier, if you are willing to stretch the definition of "aircraft", and one of the earliest balloon carriers in history.

USS George Washington Parke Custis, originally a coal barge, launched an obervation balloon on Nov 11, 1861, which was used to observe Confederate forces in the forests of Virginia.
Over to you :Kaleun_Salute:

[Aktungbby]

nice one! I was looking for "balloon barges of the "Potomac flotilla" when I figured the copper containers must contain balloon hydrogenBalloons were normally inflated with city gas when it was available, as in Washington and Richmond. In the field, Thaddeus Lowe designed and the Navy Yard constructed special inflation wagons. Charged with dilute sulfuric acid and iron filings, they generated hydrogen. but came up with zilch. https://www.battlefields.org/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg_third/public/thumbnails/image/george_washington_parke_custis.jpg?itok=qoN87Ujv View of the George Washington Parke Custis operating a Civil War balloon from its decks. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/civil-war-ballooning screw or paddlewheel(s) driven? https://www.modelshipmaster.com/products/civil_war/custis/George%20Washington%20Parke%20Custis%20ship%20repl ica.jpg< some model-makers apparently differ on the screw issue??!!:timeout: https://www.modelshipmaster.com/products/civil_war/custis/First%20balloon%20reconnaissance%20ship.jpg:arrgh! :

[Eichhörnchen]

When you mentioned removal of the superstructure I prepared to ask "Aircraft carrier?" - then I remembered that this was the time of the American Civil War. A very good subject, Osty!

https://i.imgur.com/bcxfiAL.jpeg Now what could this be?

[Jimbuna]

On a boat?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Jimbuna]

A building?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Ostfriese]

Does it move?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Yes it does

[Aktungbby]

does it move rapidly?

[Ostfriese]

Is the brownish part in the lower right corner wooden?

[Eichhörnchen]

@ Aktung:- of necessity, over 100 kmh

@ Osty:- No

[Catfish]

Does it fly?

[Eichhörnchen]

It does fly

[Catfish]

Helicopter?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Jimbuna]

Military?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Yes

[Jimbuna]

Flying boat?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

https://i.imgur.com/gakDRuY.jpeg

[Jimbuna]

Post wwii?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Yes

[Catfish]

Hovercraft?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Yes

https://i.imgur.com/sg5qElU.jpeg

[Jimbuna]

American?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Jimbuna]

Russian?

[Ostfriese]

Lun class Ekranoplan?

[Eichhörnchen]

@ Jim:- Yes

@ Osty:- No

[Catfish]

Zubr Class?

[Jimbuna]

That was going to be my gues :)

Sooo I'll go for Tsaplya-class?

[Eichhörnchen]

Catfish has it! :yeah:

https://i.imgur.com/9PRm8aa.jpeg

[Jimbuna]

Kai ya bleedin pickpocket :O:

[Catfish]

Naah it was you who found the exact name, so you do the next one, ok?
:Kaleun_Wink:

[Jimbuna]

Naah it was you who found the exact name, so you do the next one, ok?
:Kaleun_Wink:

No thanks....take it away my friend.

[Catfish]

Ok, I had nothing ready but ... what's this?
Maybe this is a fast one, seems to be not so unknown as I thought ..

https://i.postimg.cc/T2Q19nWy/deeetale.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

a steamshovel?

[Catfish]

Not a steam shovel.

[mapuc]

Looks like an very old tunnel digger.

Markus

[Catfish]

^ define "very old" ..
hint: more than hundred years ago
Not a tunnel digger.

[Aktungbby]

German?

[Catfish]

Not german.

[Aktungbby]

european?

[Catfish]

Geographically, yes.

[Aktungbby]

Swedish?

[Catfish]

^ not swedish. How did you get that idea? :hmmm:

[Ostfriese]

^ not swedish. How did you get that idea? :hmmm:


Lack of knowledge about Europe :D


Civilan?

[Eichhörnchen]

It appears to be travelling along a railway track, yes?

[Catfish]

@Ostfriese: yes, military
@Eich: it looks like, and the creator had something to do with railways, but this was not intended to move on rails when in action

[Eichhörnchen]

Is it a dredger? I guess not, if it's military

[Ostfriese]

Something like an artillery tractor?

[Catfish]

^ No to both.
I had a dredger to post, but Google lens would find it everytime, regardless what change of angle or whatever I tried :)

[Jimbuna]

Boirault Machine (Anti-barbed wire Vehicle)?

https://images.cnrs.fr/en/video/6673

[Eichhörnchen]

Did it travel on tracks?

[Aktungbby]

Boirault Machine (Anti-barbed wire Vehicle)?

https://images.cnrs.fr/en/video/6673 Indeed! But it is specifically the Second Boirault machine:Kaleun_Salute: not the first> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Boirault_machine_underway.jpg/450px-Boirault_machine_underway.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Boirault_machine_mouvements.jpg/255px-Boirault_machine_mouvements.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Second_Boirault_machine.jpg< with M. Boirault standing next to it!:arrgh!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boirault_machine

[Catfish]

Boirault Machine (Anti-barbed wire Vehicle)?

https://images.cnrs.fr/en/video/6673

That's the one! This did not take long ... :)

There were two, both not really successful. I wonder what I should have answered if someone asked whether it's a 'tank' ..

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww1/france/boirault-machine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boirault_machine

https://images.cnrs.fr/en/video/6673

https://i.postimg.cc/Mp2CfFK1/Second-Boirault-machine-II.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Thanks Aktung for posting this material. So yes it is the second one, but still a Boirault machine.

Over to Jim :salute:

[Eichhörnchen]

I wonder what I should have answered if someone asked whether it's a 'tank'

My next question was going to be "Was there a bloody big gun on it?" :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Righteo, what is this then?

https://i.postimg.cc/43wnb6Fb/blob.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Eichhörnchen]

Part of an aircraft?

[Jimbuna]

It is yes.

[Eichhörnchen]

1930's?

[Jimbuna]

Later.

[Eichhörnchen]

1950's?

[Jimbuna]

Earlier :)

[Catfish]

Named after a snake?

[Jimbuna]

I've absolutely no idea bit I doubt it.

[Eichhörnchen]

British?

[Catfish]

German?

[Jimbuna]

British?

Not British.

[Jimbuna]

German?

Nein, mein freund.

[Eichhörnchen]

Russian?

[Jimbuna]

Russian?

Afraid not and this one is a corker.

Thus far we have ascertained it is some type of aircraft built after the 30's but before the 40's.

[Catfish]

Jet?

[Jimbuna]

Not a jet.

[Eichhörnchen]

Military?

[Jimbuna]

Definitely.

[Aktungbby]

multi engine?

[Ostfriese]

Thus far we have ascertained it is some type of aircraft built after the 30's but before the 40's.


I'd like to see how that's going to work :doh::D

[Eichhörnchen]

^ He means post 1930's pre 1950's :yep:

[Eichhörnchen]

More than one crewman?

[Jimbuna]

multi engine?

Nope.

[Jimbuna]

I'd like to see how that's going to work :doh::D

^ He means post 1930's pre 1950's :yep:

Yes that is correct, sorry about that.

[Jimbuna]

More than one crewman?

Yes.

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/j0jBPrk.jpeg Did it go into production?

[Jimbuna]

https://i.imgur.com/j0jBPrk.jpeg Did it go into production?

That is the question I was fearful of :):03:

One was built with parts produced for more, only the first one built actually flew and the others were not assembled.

[Catfish]

French?

[Eichhörnchen]

American?

[Jimbuna]

Neither but it was intended for use with the RAF in WWII

[Eichhörnchen]

Canadian?

[Jimbuna]

Afraid not :)

[Catfish]

Polish?

[Jimbuna]

Closer than Canada :03:

[Eichhörnchen]

Italy?

[Jimbuna]

Built for use in the RAF :hmmm:

[Eichhörnchen]

Oh yes - right :O: Dutch?

[Jimbuna]

Much bigger country.

[Eichhörnchen]

I think you still have Kai's to answer (#8954)

[Jimbuna]

Apologies Kai but no not Poland and not a european country.

[Eichhörnchen]

South Africa?

[Jimbuna]

Nope even larger than that.

[Eichhörnchen]

Russian?

[Jimbuna]

Nope :)

[Eichhörnchen]

China? :haha:

[mapuc]

Brazil ?

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Hindustan Aircraft G-1.


https://www.rafcommands.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/HG-1.jpg

[Aktungbby]

Nice!...I didn't know they made airplanes in India??... it's just not Pukka Sahib!:huh::88)...with apologies to designer: V. M. Ghatage!:Kaleun_Salute:

[Jimbuna]

China? :haha:

Brazil ?

Markus

Hardly :)

[Jimbuna]

Hindustan Aircraft G-1.


https://www.rafcommands.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/HG-1.jpg

I am mightily impressed and wasn't expecting a correct answer even if the country of origin was found.

https://i.postimg.cc/SNY2Zhtx/The-Hindustan-Aircraft-G-1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustan_Aircraft_G-1

https://www.rafcommands.com/articles/the-hindustan-glider-g1-hw885/

Over to you :salute:

[Ostfriese]

I'm out this evening, stay patient for about three hours.

[Eichhörnchen]

I reckon you have secret powers, Osty. You going out chasing women?

[Aktungbby]

I reckon you have secret powers, Osty. You going out chasing women?NAH! he just likes to 'horsa' around! He is generally a man of stirling character!:shucks: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Airspeed_Horsa_ExCC.jpg/450px-Airspeed_Horsa_ExCC.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Short_Stirlings_tow_Airspeed_Horsas.jpg/1280px-Short_Stirlings_tow_Airspeed_Horsas.jpg< Horsa towed by Stirling

[mapuc]

Maybe you didn't know, but we have a member who's nickname is Horsa. His first name is David and he was/is a photographer.

Meet him in the Netherlands and Copenhagen.

Markus

[Ostfriese]

I reckon you have secret powers, Osty. You going out chasing women?


I'm pretty bad with women, and have been single for quite some time now.
Jim said it was flown by the RAF, so this basically means Commonwealth nations / former colonies. It wasn't Canada and larger than South Africa, which basically leaves only India and Australia, and I knew that HAL licence-built aircraft during WWII, so I only had to look whether they actually produced own designs as well.


Anyway, a new one, and I guess it's easy:


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13693

[Eichhörnchen]

US Coast Guard?

[Ostfriese]

US Coast Guard?


Nice idea, but no.

[Eichhörnchen]

Is it a naval vessel or civilian?

[Ostfriese]

Is it a naval vessel or civilian?


Naval.

[Eichhörnchen]

Has this particular vessel been in the news or is this just a photo showing the type?

[Ostfriese]

Has this particular vessel been in the news or is this just a photo showing the type?

The latter.

[Jimbuna]

European navy?

[Ostfriese]

European navy?

Yes.

[Jimbuna]

Swedish?

[Ostfriese]

Not Swedish

[Eichhörnchen]

Royal Navy?

[Ostfriese]

Royal Navy?


Not British, but still Royal.

[Aktungbby]

Norwegian?

[Ostfriese]

Norwegian?
Yep, Royal Norwegian Navy.

[Aktungbby]

Well now that I've led Eich to the promised land in true St' Olaf College fashion....

[Jimbuna]

Hauk Class?

[Ostfriese]

Hauk Class?


Too small

[Jimbuna]

Fridtjof Nansen class?

[Eichhörnchen]

Is it a minesweeper?

[Ostfriese]

Fridtjof Nansen class?

Too large.

@Eich: not a minesweeper

[Eichhörnchen]

Corvette HNoMS Sleipner?

[Ostfriese]

Corvette HNoMS Sleipner?

Exactly :Kaleun_Salute:
https://i.ibb.co/xshmLLR/012u-N1w-Xv-Dma.jpg

Why this one? As a kid I had a card game of (then) modern warships, and this game was played by comparing technical data printed onto the cards. Sleipner was the worst of all the ships included (the best was a Nimitz class carrier, the fastest PHM Pegasus). So, as a little tribute to times long gone, I chose this one.

Over to you.

[Eichhörnchen]

I had my finger hovering there - just in case - ready to send "HNoMS Aeger" before Jim could jump in :haha: - and full credit where due anyway to Vinny for "Leading me to Blah Blah..."

I have something ready to go, so back shortly :Kaleun_Salute:

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/UNcQs7c.jpeg What is this?