Who / What / Where Game Part 2

[Jimbuna]

This is the sequel thread to the original 'Who / What / Where Game' thread.

Aktung guessed correctly with his latest guess, it was indeed Chichen Itza, one of Mexico’s most striking Mayan sites.

https://i.postimg.cc/prWzn59k/6218b36e411109b7.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Over to Aktung :salute:

[Aktungbby]

Well I figured upon second glance that , Catfish having seen the giants of sardinia, U might be inspired to post something equally archaic you'd seen in your romantic sojourn to Mexico; so I punched in "Aztec pyramid temple tops" and voila! I'll post sumpin shortly....:yep:

[Jimbuna]

I had the chance to go on a day trip visit whilst in Mexico but went to swim with the dolphins instead.

Wished I'd done the trip now but it was a once in a week trip and we simply ran out of time.

[Aktungbby]

https://subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12531 What place is this?

[Jimbuna]

The remains of the palace of Ulysses?

[Aktungbby]

that's IT! over to you! JEEZE ya think we got poor Catfish aced out in the archaeology dept!:03::Kaleun_Salute:

[Jimbuna]

Put a name to this.

https://i.postimg.cc/yNSrdt9n/rrgr55gghj.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

Military vessel?

[Jimbuna]

Yes

[Aktungbby]

British?

[Catfish]

I could not even see Aktung's photo or whatever he posted(?) :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

British?

Was originally.

[Jimbuna]

I could not even see Aktung's photo or whatever he posted(?) :hmmm:

Strange, I could :hmmm:

Can you see the current picture in question?

[Aktungbby]

cruiser?

[Jimbuna]

Not a cruiser

[Aktungbby]

destroyer?

[Jimbuna]

That she is

[Aktungbby]

WWI?

[Jimbuna]

Later

[Catfish]

I can see Jim's photo, but not Aktung's link before.

H or G class ?

[Jimbuna]

Nope

[Aktungbby]

preWWII?

[Jimbuna]

Nope

[Aktungbby]

WWII?::D

[Catfish]

So the bristish destroyer was "given away" to another country. Sold?

[Jimbuna]

WWII?::D

Yes

[Jimbuna]

So the bristish destroyer was "given away" to another country. Sold?

Sold yes but not until wars end.

[Aktungbby]

Tribal class?

[Jimbuna]

Afraid not.

[Aktungbby]

later than tribal class?

[Jimbuna]

Slightly but not far apart.

[Buddahaid]

Strange, I could :hmmm:

Can you see the current picture in question?

No, I can't and I'm signed in too.

[Aktungbby]

Hunt class?

[Jimbuna]

No, I can't and I'm signed in too.

Can you see it now?

https://i.postimg.cc/90XSXYjp/rrgr55gghj.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

Hunt class?

Faster than a Hunt.

[Aktungbby]

Sold yes but not until wars end.

Slightly but not far apart.

Faster than a Hunt.HMS Oribi?...sold to Pakisran at war's end...:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Afraid not.

CLUE: Saw action on D Day

[Aktungbby]

sold to Holland?

[Jimbuna]

Yes

[Aktungbby]

HMS Serapis? (PIET HEIN)

[Jimbuna]

That's the one :up:

https://i.postimg.cc/wxWGzrwy/Vertrek-Piet-Hein-uit-Rotterdam-voor-wereldreis-Bestanddeelnr-904-1555.jpg (https://postimg.cc/yWZPXL4s)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Serapis_(G94)

Over to you :salute:

[Aktungbby]

damn! I looked at that pic a dozen times...looking at ships sold after WWII and didn't click on a stern portside view...looking for a bow portside view. The D-day hint settled it. I'll post something devious shortly.

[Aktungbby]

what's this? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12558

[Jimbuna]

Some sort of cable?

[Aktungbby]

not cable..but 'tis a conduit of sorts...particularly to the spiritually inclined:hmmm:

[Catfish]

In use today?

[Aktungbby]

given the ambiguity of your question, and given the definition of "use" "utility" or "intrinsic worth", I'm compelled to say yes! It has always had a use?..even if only to delineate the 4 points of the compass...:timeout:

[Jimbuna]

Part of religious attire?

[Jeff-Groves]

Rosary

[mapuc]

Related to Catholisme ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Part of religious attire? Spiritual occasionally

RosaryNope

Related to Catholisme ?

Markusnope

[Jimbuna]

Would a person wear it?

[Aktungbby]

WOW stick a feather in your bonnet! Actually, since U ask, ...in this case in the photo peeking at the bottom edge of the puzzle's picture, it is, in fact, being "worn"??!:D:shucks::yeah:

[Jimbuna]

Worn by a priest?

[Aktungbby]

Ur on the scent! Of the sun in this case, as evidenced on June 6, 1876!!!

[Catfish]

Worn by a south american priest?

[Gerald]

Etheric cord.

[Rockstar]

Dowsing rod?

[Aktungbby]

Worn by a south american priest?North American

Etheric cord.
no

Dowsing rod? nope: water is to be avoided with one of these...if my ol' '70's college daze near Pipestone, MN or Calumet IL were instructive...:|\\

[Catfish]

An indian (north-american) shaman or priest wearing this at the battle of the Little Big Horn?

[Aktungbby]

not sure, June 25, 1876 was, by all accounts hot and windless so I'd assume it was tucked in a parfleche hanging from a lodge pole...

[Jimbuna]

A good luck charm?

[Aktungbby]

nope

[Aktungbby]

Big hint! this item is expected to sell at auction for approx $30-$60K!!

[Jimbuna]

In the US?

[Aktungbby]

absolutely!...although native 'Mericans would dispute this.:03:

[mapuc]

25th of June 1876 you said.

Has it something to do with the battle at Little Bighorn ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

it was probably in the vicinity, but after Reno's
initial advance, wouldn't have made much difference on events.

[Jimbuna]

Someones scalp?

[Aktungbby]

nope; strictly a utilitarian item generally for religious or social activity and custom made.

[Jimbuna]

A smoking pipe?

[Aktungbby]

YES! otherwise known as a 'calumet...often made with pipestone'...now who's is it...?

[Jimbuna]

Inkpaduta?

[Aktungbby]

not Inkpaduta, though he was at LBH following his defeat in the Dakota War of 1862.The gentleman in question was a well regarded spiritual sort and great warrior/politico; which eventually culminated in his demise. Both leaders fled to Canada after 1876...where Inkpaduta died in 1881. BIG HINT: The gentleman in question adopted a white girl who could shoot superbly with either hand....:D

[Jeff-Groves]

Sitting Bull and I suppose you mean Annie Oakley. Who happened to be from and is buried in Ohio.

[Catfish]

I thought of a calumet before, but one of the answers did not fit :hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

BINGO! Sitting Bullhttps://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2022/05/large_301014-326_1-1024x768.jpeg The great medicine man and spiritualist who perforemed the brutal Sun Dance by which he envisioned Soldiers falling into camp headfirst ie: dead. The site of which was encountered by Custers troops enroute to LBH. When he toured with Buffalo Bill's Wild West show He was completely taken with the uncanny accuracy of "little sure shot" who surely was blessed by the Great Spirit to shoot like she did. The sale’s top lots are expected to include a Sioux twisted pipe stem with catlinite bowl once owned by Sitting Bull, estimated at $60,000 to $80,000,<Sitting Bull seen with 'calumet' tucked in belt ie 'wearing it' tends to give the artifact serious provinance imho. Too old by 1876, Sitting Bull did not fight at LBH but assisted in helping the women and children escape the Greasy Grass battle field. https://news.artnet.com/market/the-estate-of-late-antiquities-dealer-forrest-fenn-who-hid-a-2-million-treasure-chest-in-the-mountains-is-heading-to-auction-2119769 OVER to JEFF!:Kaleun_Salute: http://dyingwords.net/sun-dance-why-custer-really-lost-the-battle-of-the-little-bighorn/ The core reason—the root cause—of why Custer really lost the Battle of the Little Bighorn hasn’t been identified by historians. They’ve overlooked the Sun Dance effect—the psychological and spiritual impact of the warriors’ cultural unity led by Lakota Chief Sitting Bull. This book outlines why the Lakota Sioux Sun Dance had such a powerful effect on the warriors’ will to win and why this sacred ceremony was the root cause of Custer’s demise.

[Jimbuna]

Prior to the mention of a white girl adoption I thought Sitting Bull was too obvious an answer :doh:

[Catfish]

This was tough but nice :)

Still i have no idea what this answer meant
Me:
"An indian (north-american) shaman or priest wearing this at the battle of the Little Big Horn?"
Aktungbby:
"not sure, June 25, 1876 was, by all accounts hot and windless so I'd assume it was tucked in a parfleche hanging from a lodge pole..."

Was properly diverted from a medicine man by this :haha:

[Aktungbby]

Well I know how to divert an old Shatterhand/Winnetou fanatic:arrgh!: several of Custer's survivors mentioned the Sundance location in memoirs. Just the travois and pony tracks indicated a huge number of native Americans on the move toward the Greasy Grass...:oops: aprox 7000-10,000 were seen departing from Reno Hill...on June 27th...by all accounts a major exodus of a massive encampment and matching pony herd. I'll PM Jeff to get a new puzzle.

[Jeff-Groves]

What is this a part of?

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1069&pictureid=12579

[Aktungbby]

a valve of some sort?

[Jeff-Groves]

a valve of some sort?

Yep.

[Aktungbby]

steam?

[Jeff-Groves]

steam?

Nope.

[mapuc]

Something to do with Refinery ?

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Something to do with Refinery ?

Markus

No.

[Catfish]

Water?

[Jeff-Groves]

Water?

No.

[Catfish]

Fuel.

[Jeff-Groves]

Fuel.

Yes. But I don't know what kind.

[Catfish]

Flame thrower?

[Jeff-Groves]

Flame thrower?

Which one?
:03:

[Catfish]

Livens Large Gallery Flame Projector?

[Jeff-Groves]

Livens Large Gallery Flame Projector?
Damn YOUR GOOD!
Over to you.
:up:

[Catfish]

Thanks, but i remembered the valves and the rubber hoses, from some TheAerodrome posts a decade ago; some battlefield archeologues had tried to find remains of the secret apparatus.

will have something shortly –

[Jeff-Groves]

Did you know that Smaug's flames were inspired by this device?
:o

[Aktungbby]

Did you know that Smaug's flames were inspired by this device?
:omeh, I'd imagine things got smoggy all the time on the Western Front:O: what with chlorine, mustard gasses and cordite smoke from massive shelling...:hmmm:

[Catfish]

^ No i did not, but from the looks i can imagine that .. :huh:


Ok what is being done here? Exactly, please..

https://i.imgur.com/LRk5OBTm.jpg

[Jeff-Groves]

hot air experiment?

[Catfish]

No.

Since i believe you will never find this out i will give some hints now and then
(i'm so generous :O:)

Hint: Heat will play a role, but much later.

[Jimbuna]

Distillery?

[Catfish]

Nothing to do with a distillery

[Jeff-Groves]

Does it involve archaeology?

[Catfish]

No. Though some of the places may be nowadays being (partially) restored for museum and tourist purposes. I only know of one place but there may be others.

Hint: the sketch shows most probably some action taking place in the 16th century

Hint2: I guess Jeff would be very interested in the whole process, while the picture only shows one step of a lot

[Jeff-Groves]

air circulation in a mining situation?

[Catfish]

Nope. This situation or action has nothing to do with mining.

Though a lot of mining has to be done before this special process can begin :03:

[Aktungbby]

medieval era?

[Catfish]

I wrote that the sketch was presumably done in the 16th century, so too late to be medieval – the middle ages/medieval officially ends with the discovery of the New World (read America) in 1492.

But the process itself being shown can have been done also earlier, just making this known by writing it down was done later.
As it happened the whole process (of which the depiction is only a part) was kept secret, and only a handful of people knew how to do it.


Hint, but maybe misleading (hello Aktungbby :O:): some certain advances in perfecting the procedure was the one of two major reasons some duke of Medina-Sidonia was beaten.

[Eichhörnchen]

Making gunpowder?

[Catfish]

Not gunpowder but you are getting warm in every sense of the word...

[Jimbuna]

Fiery cannonade?

[Jeff-Groves]

making saltpeter?

[Catfish]

Fiery cannonade?
Does that look like a "fiery cannonade"? :hmmm:
Or I somehow have difficulties translating this :oops:
One might say it has something to do with what you create a fiery cannonade..

making saltpeter?
No.
Saltpeter mixed with something else (together known as gunpowder) will be used with the end product.
Nothing to do with what is being done on the sketch.

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/UUbKEHV.jpg Making early grenades?

[Catfish]

Hehe no
not a grenade

[Catfish]

Hint, maybe misleading

As said before this is a process, on this picture the *'Bodenstueck'* is missing yet

[Aktungbby]

alchemist process for creating gold from "base metal" using saltptre?

[Jimbuna]

Rocket launching device?

[Eichhörnchen]

I think this may have something to do with the weather - perhaps attempting to control it?

[Catfish]

Some of the people involved (called Meister) also tried to make gold, but alchemists they were not.

They did things from trial and error, and experience. Not real chemical background known at that time.

This here has nothing to do with gold.

[Aktungbby]

anything to do with agriculture?

[Catfish]

No.

Though clay is needed, and horse pee (they say)

[Jeff-Groves]

Involves a dye?

[Catfish]

No.

[Jeff-Groves]

Was Guy Fawkes involved?

[Catfish]

No..

[Eichhörnchen]

I think you missed my post, catfish (#120)

[Catfish]

^ yes i did, sorry.
No, not about controlling the weather.

This is part of a process creating some (military) hardware in the 16th century and later. Such hardware had been produced already earlier in the 15th century, but this part of the process depicted is from the 16th.
-> the end product is bigger than a hand grenade

[Ostfriese]

Looks a bit like the preparation of a mould into which molten iron can be poured to create cast iron guns.

[Catfish]

Looks a bit like the preparation of a mould into which molten iron can be poured to create cast iron guns.
^ Yes, the whole process is about casting guns. Did you read "the book" .. ? If you did you'll know which one i mean :03:
Now what you see is part of the process to cast a Saker, or a Falconet(te), or a "Feldschlange".
Here it is not iron which will be later used for the cast.
But regardless whether it is iron or some other metal, the question is what are the people doing here, at that stage of production?

[Ostfriese]

^ Yes, the whole process is about casting guns. Did you read "the book" .. ? If you did you'll know which one i mean :03:


I did not, so I have no idea which one you mean :03:


Anyway, I'll risk another guess: they are inserting a small peg/rod or something like that at the place where in the final product would be a small hole which is used to ignite the gunpowder. After that they put in the molten iron, and at the end they simply remove the peg/rod.

[Aktungbby]

is it for melting the wax out of the massive clay mold which is positioned vertically with the breech end lowest (for greater breech density to prevent bursting) into which the molten bronze or iron will be poured around the bore placed centrally in the the clay mold? Otherwise known as "lost wax casting".

[Eichhörnchen]

Are they making the barrel ?

[Catfish]

[...]Anyway, I'll risk another guess: they are inserting a small peg/rod or something like that at the place where in the final product would be a small hole which is used to ignite the gunpowder. After that they put in the molten iron, and at the end they simply remove the peg/rod.
No, not that here.
is it for melting the wax out of the massive clay mold which is positioned vertically with the breech end lowest (for greater breech density to prevent bursting) into which the molten bronze or iron will be poured around the bore placed centrally in the the clay mold? Otherwise known as "lost wax casting".
Right in principle but not here, and those few candles will not melt out the wax if this was used. Wax would be used for the undercut 'dolphins' if the latter were intended to be cast on – two lugs sometimes cast to being able to later lift the gun on its carriage or wherever.
Are they making the barrel ?
They are in the process of making the barrel, yes, and what you see here is a step, but which/what are they doing here exactly?

You all are close enough, but we still need what is being done here.
Here is the whole picture.

https://i.imgur.com/8cLepEgl.jpg

Lots of hint(s), describing the process:

It is about casting cannons, called culverins, sakers and whatnot depending on size and purpose (and country, and some queer thinking).
This here is about casting a bronze cannon, since bronze was lighter and withstood much more pressure when casted properly than iron casting (steel not available at that time). This meant that bronze cannons could use larger quantities of gunpowder, resulting in more range and better penetration. Also they would not rust, when used by the navies.

The idea to perfect the casting and make long range cannons was brought to England by an austrian "Meister" sometime before 1588, and since the catholic Habsburg dynasty wanted to crush the english and their queen Elizabeth, England was interested.
The new cannons were much better than those produced by english casters Pitt or Brown, using other special alloys and advanced processes (for the time) of controlling the quality.

To withstand the threatening invasion by Philip IInd the idea was to not let the enemy armies reach the english coast. So captains, ship builders and weapon manufacturers brought in new ideas; the main two which had the greatest impact (literally) was Baker's new fast small galleon types (to deny the spanish boarding their ships and fight man to man), and to use ship artillery from superior distance without getting in range of the enemy cannons.
The formerly used "Feldschlangen" like Culverins etc. had superior range but had the problem that there were rings or spirals cast or added after casting around the barrels, for greater strength – bad for ships.
The protruding rings would wreak havoc on the wooden gunports during the kick/repulsion after firing, so another cannon form and technique had to be used to apply long-range land-Feldschlangen on ships. The austrian master solved the problem, and cannons looked different during and after 1588, the year of the victory over the spanish Armada.

So back to making the cannons:

What you see here is the outer clay form, long before the casting can take place. The clay will have to be baked later, before the actual casting can be done.
You see that the bottom end form of this to-be-cannon is yet missing, it is only the barrel form up to here. You can also already see the outer clay form of the trunnions.
The "Bodenstueck" or rear end form of the cannon will be formed and mounted to the lower end later.
Before the casting there will be an inner clay core mounted, which will become the "bore" and determine the caliber. Even later the cast will be bored to exact measure, the special new non-english way to do this was also secret.

So what you see here is the outer clay form around the cannon, long before the cast.

What are they doing here?

[Aktungbby]

so the illustration is an empty clay mold with no molten bronze poured?

[Catfish]

^ Yep!
Think about what the person above and the one at the lower end, are doing.

[Aktungbby]

are they aligning the inner core exactly straight so the finished product will shoot straight?

[Catfish]

Later, yes. Though gravity will do this automatically if core and mantle are straight.
But shown here is a step before.
Think outer appearance of the cannon.. exterior faults will have consequences as interior ones.
Imagine lumps of clay protruding from the outer clay form to the later cast forming cavities, and consequences.

[Aktungbby]

sanding or scraping excess clay to create a smooth clay mold?

[Eichhörnchen]

Searching out the imperfections?

[Catfish]

sanding or scraping excess clay to create a smooth clay mold?
That would be done after this ..
Searching out the imperfections?
Yep, you got it, it is about quality control of the outer clay form!
Both men had mirrors and looked up and down the barrel to spot excess clay, using candles for illumination.

A hole in the outer mantle of the cannon's form would be ugly later, but could be easily removed with a rasp/file.

But any protrusion of clay towards the inner form would cause cavities and weaken the mantle, maybe exploding the cannon in the operator's face later. Because of using bad clay and a lack of control a lot of cannons had to be scrapped after casting, or the cavities were not found in the cast, leading to disastrous accidents.
Clay of various compositins (fractions) has to be used, mixed with stabilizers and (indeed) horse pee..

The later inner clay core for the bore could be examined easily outside, smoothed, and only then lowered into the outer form, later.
But controlling the outer form had been a problem.

First the outer part of the cannon was formed in clay, with all decorations etc., the thing looked like the later cannon cast would.
Then charcoal was applied on the wet surface.
Then the outer form was created, appying thin, fluid clay in thin layers around the cannon form, adding more material and less fluid with every layer.
Then the whole package was stabilized with wood and rope, as seen in the picture, and vertically lowered in the pit.
One of the masters would then carefully scrape away the inner form of the cannon from the outer form, until he reached the dark charcoal layer.
When this was done, the later outer form of the cannon, imprinted in the outer form, was controlled with candles and mirrors, to rule out shrinkage cavities and so on – which can be seen here.

Later the bottom end form would be mounted on the lower end, then the clay core for the bore would be inserted from above.
Then the whole pit would be filled with sand, to stabilize the form and keep it from breaking during the later cast.
Usually several forms (up to four) were placed, and cast together in one pit.

The composition of the molten bronze and how it was prevented from separating in the melt was another problem..

And so on ...

Aktung was so close, but i'd say it is over to Eichhörnchen :salute:

P.S: thinking about how complicated, time and material-consuming this was just to produce ONE cannon ... we are currently trying to create one for a museum. You won't believe which problems you can encounter :doh:

[Eichhörnchen]

Thanks, Kai

https://i.imgur.com/19gdP4N.jpg Okay - quite simply then what's this? (You'll never get it in a million years)

[Jimbuna]

I'll start by stating 'the obvious' a wind turbine?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Ostfriese]

A close-up of a gas stove, from about half a century ago?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Aktungbby]

Eight blades total?

[mapuc]

Part of a mechanical device ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

/\ anything with blades is a mechanical device...even if it's a sabre and scabbard!:O:

[Eichhörnchen]

@ Aktung: There are eight of these things

@ Markus: It is essentially mechanical, yes

[Aktungbby]

do the blades feather?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Aktungbby]

does, or did it shoot something?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Yes

[Aktungbby]

medieval bombard?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope

[Aktungbby]

cast iron or steel?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Wouldn't be iron; some alloys, perhaps... maybe some steel also

I will provide clues in time

[Aktungbby]

military?

[Eichhörnchen]

Martial rather than military

[Aktungbby]

British?

[Eichhörnchen]

This was made in the UK

[Aktungbby]

is the photo of the object's base?

[mapuc]

I think it's a device who are being used worldwide

Markus

[Aktungbby]

I think it's a device who are being used worldwide

Markus

...that would certainly make it a global "who dunnit":O:

[Eichhörnchen]

@ Aktung: No, this is at the top

@ Markus: In operation only in the UK - although I stand to be corrected - but would be recognised in many countries around the world

[Catfish]

What does it fire, water?

[Eichhörnchen]

No, not water

[mapuc]

Civilian ?

Markus

[Eichhörnchen]

Neither civilian nor military - I probably can't say more without giving it right away but you'll see why when it's revealed. As I suggested earlier to Aktung, it's best described as 'martial'

[Aktungbby]

At the top?...Is the eight bladed item the projectile?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ No it isn't

[mapuc]

Used on daily basis ?

Markus

[Eichhörnchen]

I'd better give you a clue:

It's from fiction - in which stories it would be used on a daily basis. In real life it's only in use when filming

[Aktungbby]

in a british film?

[Eichhörnchen]

British, indeed. And - since I suspect you're about to nail it anyhow - here's another clue

https://i.imgur.com/mgVqHrQ.jpg

[Catfish]

Little Nellie?
Just because of the colour ..

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope, not Little Nellie

[Aktungbby]

animated british movie?

[Eichhörnchen]

No, not animation

[mapuc]

Does it have puppet/dolls in this British serie ?

Markus

[Eichhörnchen]

No, so it's not Thunderbirds nor any other Gerry Anderson series

[Aktungbby]

knowing your love of Dick van Dyke, I take a total shot in the dark and say: something from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang?

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Nope and I don't expect Dick Van Dyke has ever been in it

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/jv4WyWK.jpg

Clue: The main character in the show/movie shares a title with a character once played by Dick Van Dyke

[Jimbuna]

A Darlek?

https://i.postimg.cc/zXgLYpjh/cebbad1fdda4acee04c110013ff92f3f.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/pLQppT3X/fffd22a9974da87c399a0d401b58c2dc.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Pepperpot

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/RPItC4r.jpg

(Dick Van Dyke famously played Doctor Mark Sloan in the TV show 'Diagnosis Murder')


"Richard Wayne Van Dyke is an American actor, singer, dancer, and comedian. His award-winning career has spanned seven decades in film, television, and stage. Van Dyke began his career as an entertainer on radio and television, in nightclubs, and on the Broadway stage. Wikipedia
Born: 13 December 1925 (age 96 years), West Plains, Missouri, United States
Height: 1.85 m
Spouse: Arlene Silver (m. 2012), Margie Willett (m. 1948–1984)
Grandchildren: Shane Van Dyke, Carey Van Dyke, Taryn Van Dyke, Jessica Van Dyke, Wes Van Dyke
Children: Barry Van Dyke, Christian Van Dyke, Carrie Beth Van Dyke, Stacy Van Dyke
Siblings: Jerry Van Dyke"

[Jeff-Groves]

It's a DALEK!!! Not a DARLECK!!!!!
:/\\!!:nope:

[Eichhörnchen]

^ :har::haha:

[Jimbuna]

It's a DALEK!!! Not a DARLECK!!!!!
:/\\!!:nope:

https://i.ibb.co/y0Mym9k/cvgjk.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

https://i.postimg.cc/rpMXwFLT/tongue-2.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

Righteo then, put a name to this.

https://i.postimg.cc/nzS6249V/ftuykuk.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jeff-Groves]

Darleck?

[Jimbuna]

Nope

[Eichhörnchen]

:har::har::har:

[Eichhörnchen]

An industrial plarnt?

[Jimbuna]

No and not even a 'plarnt'

[Ostfriese]

A tiny, grainy, out of focus, black and white picture.

[Catfish]

A tiny, grainy, out of focus, black and white picture.
I think you got it :)

[Jimbuna]

A tiny, grainy, out of focus, black and white picture.

Tis likely the best picture on the web.

[Eichhörnchen]

The best picture of what? :D

[Aktungbby]

does it float?

[mapuc]

A hard but not impossible detective job lay ahead of us.

Is this object from the time period 1930 to 1960 ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The best picture of what? :D

You to find out :03:

[Jimbuna]

does it float?

It does

[Jimbuna]

A hard but not impossible detective job lay ahead of us.

Is this object from the time period 1930 to 1960 ?

Markus

It sure is and later I'll try to put up another part of whatever this is but I think you'll understand how difficult it is because all the pictures I can find are quite small.

[Catfish]

Those two cylinders, one horizontal and one vertical, are those weapon systems?

[Jimbuna]

Those two cylinders, one horizontal and one vertical, are those weapon systems?

No

CLUE: The vertical one is a funnel.

https://i.postimg.cc/d3Gmnwp4/b-bb-b-bb.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[mapuc]

So we have something that float-Most likely a ship from time period 1930-1960.

Was this ship active during WWII ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

So we have something that float-Most likely a ship from time period 1930-1960.

Was this ship active during WWII ?

Markus

It was.

[Aktungbby]

did it shoot something?

[Jimbuna]

did it shoot something?

It was armed and did see action.

[mapuc]

Military ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Sure is.

[Aktungbby]

British?

[Jimbuna]

Not British.

[mapuc]

Japanese ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Not Japanese.

[mapuc]

German ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Not initially but was at the time of her demise.

[Eichhörnchen]

Italian?

[Jeff-Groves]

What part of 'German at time of demise' did YOU miss?
:har:

[Jeff-Groves]

I was gonna say since we know it's not a plarnt?
Maybe it's a plis?

[Ostfriese]

Something naval?

[Catfish]

Destroyer?

[Eichhörnchen]

What part of 'German at time of demise' did YOU miss?
:har:

Well I was thinking it may have been a captured vessel pressed into German service??

[Aktungbby]

German raider Michel ie: Schiff 28?

[Jimbuna]

What part of 'German at time of demise' did YOU miss?
:har:

:haha:

[Jimbuna]

Well I was thinking it may have been a captured vessel pressed into German service??

It was :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Something naval?

Yes

Destroyer?

No

[Jimbuna]

German raider Michel ie: Schiff 28?

Nope

[Aktungbby]

is it a german surface raider?

[Jimbuna]

Definitely not and a bit smaller in my estimation.

[Aktungbby]

a destroyer?

[Eichhörnchen]

A captured US PT Boat?

[Jimbuna]

a destroyer?

Not quite.

[Jimbuna]

A captured US PT Boat?

No US connection but an ally for sure.

[Aktungbby]

a frigate?

[Jimbuna]

a frigate?

Smaller :)

CLUE: Initial demise early war and final demise late war.

[Aktungbby]

did it fire torpedos?

[Ostfriese]

A Norwegian vessel, probably a torpedo boat or minelayer/minesweeper?

[Jimbuna]

did it fire torpedos?

Torpedos were a part of the offensive weapons capability yes.

[Jimbuna]

A Norwegian vessel, probably a torpedo boat or minelayer/minesweeper?

Norwegian in origin yes.

[Ostfriese]

One of the three Trygg class torpedo boats?

[Aktungbby]

Smaller :)

CLUE: Initial demise early war and final demise late war.

TB Trygg which was raised and became German TB Zick.

[Jimbuna]

One of the three Trygg class torpedo boats?

Yes but Aktung was spot on withe answer below.

TB Trygg which was raised and became German TB Zick.

https://i.postimg.cc/J4fQF1XN/HNo-MS-Trygg-1919.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNoMS_Trygg_(1919)

Over to Aktung :salute:

[Aktungbby]

lucky me. In poring over a large "captured kriegsmarine"
WIKI warships list; not a single mention of Norwegian ships!:Kaleun_Mad: I'll have something British and sneaky in a short that I came across in studying the Buddy Holly Story movie.:arrgh!:

[Aktungbby]

What aircraft is this ?https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12590

[Jimbuna]

WWI?

[Aktungbby]

used as such in movies.