Who / What / Where Game Part 2

[Catfish]

Tracks?

[Jimbuna]

Yes

[Catfish]

Tought of BVS-10 or Viking, but this is not an english product and also rather a tranport vehicle

This one?
https://www.alamy.com/modified-reliant-robin-car-named-rugged-robin-fitted-with-tracks-extreme-modification-of-three-wheeled-car-caterpillar-added-for-23-track-name-image439137888.html
:haha:

[Jimbuna]

Tought of BVS-10 or Viking, but this is not an english product and also rather a tranport vehicle

This one?
https://www.alamy.com/modified-reliant-robin-car-named-rugged-robin-fitted-with-tracks-extreme-modification-of-three-wheeled-car-caterpillar-added-for-23-track-name-image439137888.html
:haha:

:haha:

CLUE: Only five countries have them (to the best of my knowledge) and unsurprisingly Ukraine is one of them.

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9pdry6p/kikiiuiuh.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

Three man crew?

[Jimbuna]

I believe so.

[Aktungbby]

To reiterate: this critter has a cannon, machine gun, 4 missiles(2 on each side), is tracked, made in England, and a three man crew?

[Catfish]

with this it must be a heavy tank.

Smaller than the 'stomer' with such armament, and tracked.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61482305

I do not find any such vehicle at all :oops::haha:

[Aktungbby]

Not if its smaller than a Stormer; I've looked at Sultans, Scimitars, Spartans, & variants therof. Each is either used by more than 5 countries: has only a machine gun with top rocket carrier (5 or more) or has more than 3 crewmen...:hmmm:

[Catfish]

Any 'Warrior' version is also not smaller than a 'Stormer'
The BMP VERDI-2 never made it in production.

FV 103 Spartan?

FV120 Spartan MCT ?
Also used by UK, so.. probably not.


Now watching the rest of the Wembley football :03:

[Jimbuna]

To reiterate: this critter has a cannon, machine gun, 4 missiles(2 on each side), is tracked, made in England, and a three man crew?

Allow me to take you back to #497

The million dollar question being "What is the vehicle"

The Wikipedia page on this vehicle only mentions four countries of use and I know for a fact a fifth country purchased a great many and unfortunately the picture I chose is from said country which just so happens to have fitted missiles whereas I'm not sure the other four countries fitted on their vehicles.

So technically, it could be argued that said vehicle is usually fitted with two offensive weapon systems.

I can assure you there was no intent to deceive but in hindsight I now wish I'd posted a picture clue of an example in original configuration.

https://i.postimg.cc/5yBZtkyp/gjmk-m.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

Any 'Warrior' version is also not smaller than a 'Stormer'
The BMP VERDI-2 never made it in production.

FV 103 Spartan?

FV120 Spartan MCT ?
Also used by UK, so.. probably not.


Now watching the rest of the Wembley football :03:

Very warm Kai.

Lionesses now lead 2-1 :03:

[Aktungbby]

4 countries of use...:hmmm: FV107 Scimitar?

[Jimbuna]

4 countries of use...:hmmm: FV107 Scimitar?

Correct but there are five countries using them: UK, Latvia, Ukraine, Belgium and Jordan (see picture below).

https://i.postimg.cc/TPCY9xM8/FV107-Simitar.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jWnbxGSv)

Over to you :salute:

[Catfish]

Congrats to Aktungbby :salute:

I completely misunderstood, i was looking for a small tank with some stairway, used by 5 countries but not by the UK, like for an export-only tank :D

[Aktungbby]

Correct but there are five countries using them: UK, Latvia, Ukraine, Belgium and Jordan (see picture below).

https://i.postimg.cc/TPCY9xM8/FV107-Simitar.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jWnbxGSv)

Over to you :salute:I could not find that photo anywhere under "PHOTO:FV107 Scimitar with rocket launcher"??!! https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12665What critter is
this?

[mapuc]

Edit
African wild cat ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

nope

[mapuc]

A lynx ?

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

American Maine Coon ?

[Jimbuna]

Pallas Cat?

[Catfish]

European shorthair?

[Aktungbby]

A lynx ?

Markusnope

American Maine Coon ? nope

Pallas Cat?yup! over 2 U!!!:Kaleun_Salute: https://smea.uw.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/03/CURRENTSBLOG_Cat_2.jpg

European shorthair?nope

[Jimbuna]

What is this?

https://i.postimg.cc/sXxPCL8k/b-h-jjj.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

a military item?

[Catfish]

A rudder?

[Jimbuna]

No military connection.

[Jimbuna]

A rudder?

Not a rudder but you could say this is right up Aktungs street :03:

[mapuc]

A kind of armor ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Indeed it is.

[mapuc]

Is it a helmet from a knights armor.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Not a helmet but the armour did have one.

[Aktungbby]

No military connection.

A kind of armor ?

Markus

Indeed it is....if it's armor, wouldn't that be considered miltary?:doh:

[Jeff-Groves]

Didn't you wear Armor in a NON-miltary role?
:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

...if it's armor, wouldn't that be considered miltary?:doh:

Used solely for protection from hostile but lawful acts.

Didn't you wear Armor in a NON-miltary role?
:hmmm:

In this instance yes.

[Aktungbby]

Didn't you wear Armor in a NON-miltary role?
:hmmm:Indeed. doing plainclothes diamond escort or 17 years on uniform ATM escort, 9 years Federal bailiff', Federal housing officer, and Hamilton Airbase officer: The Safariland III with sternum shock plate_ a miserable heatsink on 80+ F hot days https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1954/5437/products/BS52003B-L_IMG_FRONT1_1000_720x.jpg?v=1631717873

Used solely for protection from hostile but lawful acts.



In this instance yes. I knew I'd seen that dent; popped an Aricept tablet, and voila: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Ned_kelly_armour_library.JPG/1200px-Ned_kelly_armour_library.JPG Ned Kelly's improvised body armor! Not a rudder but you could say this is right up Aktung"s street Even more interesting is his two band Enfield rifle with Snyder breechloading adaptation...I'm carrying the unadapted muzzleloading Brit import Civil War original, but with the intimidating Snyder bayonet affixed..."Old ways here R not Forgot!!":arrgh!: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12622

[Jimbuna]

No need to post the identical picture.

Over to Aktung :salute:

[Aktungbby]

No need to post the identical picture.

Over to Aktung :salute:I only did it to show the rifle; I'll have something shortly.

[Aktungbby]

Shortly: whatis this? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12668

[Jeff-Groves]

Magnified image of something?

[Catfish]

Bat?

[Aktungbby]

Magnified image of something? Yup

Bat?nope

[Jeff-Groves]

NanoBot?

[Aktungbby]

nanobots aren't real..this is.

[Catfish]

An animal (part of)?

[Jimbuna]

Moth?

[Aktungbby]

An animal (part of)?yup

Moth?nope...no wings on this critter

[Catfish]

A frog?

[Aktungbby]

A frog?nope

[Catfish]

Insect?

[Aktungbby]

nope

[mapuc]

Some type of mites seen through an electronic microscope ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Some type of mites seen through an electronic microscope ?

Markuswell...:hmmm: they R mitey small but ablel to be seen by any microscope since the mid-1700's. They are a pioneer species; able to populate a new environment; and can withstand anything incl. empty space, radiation etc. that would kill most lifeforms. They may possibly be immortal as they can stop their metabolism as necessary!

[Jimbuna]

Sounds like something off Star Trek.

Tardigrade?

[Catfish]

^ the latter is what i had in mind :salute:

[Aktungbby]

Sounds like something off Star Trek.

Tardigrade?a Tardigrade it is! Over to U!:salute:

^ the latter is what i had in mind :salute:"in mind" at our age is is a unique concept...a A Kleiener Wasserbär has two brains! One ventral, one dorsal? I'm jealous.:O: discovered by a German...how could U lose to a Geordi merchant mariner?

[Jeff-Groves]

Sounds like something off Star Trek.

Tardigrade?

Why not something from Dr. Who?

Like a Darlik?
:har:

Tardigrade sounds like the area a Tardis would appear.
:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

What is this precisely?

https://i.postimg.cc/qvyJvJn0/dfrte.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[mapuc]

What I can see is a picture of the turrets and part of the main body.

Question is-what type of tank it is.
It could also be an armored vehicle

Markus

[Jimbuna]

You are quite correct, it could be either.

[Aktungbby]

tracks

[Jimbuna]

Nope

[Aktungbby]

European?

[Jimbuna]

Not as far as I can ascertain and certainly not in its original configuration.

[Aktungbby]

'Merican?

[Jimbuna]

Afraid not.

[Catfish]

Russian Armata? Thought of the triangular steel plates :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Not Russian nor have they used them.

CLUE: My source sites 25 users, 3 former users and 1 future user.

[Aktungbby]

eight wheels?

[Catfish]

chinese?

[Jimbuna]

eight wheels?

Close but no cigar.

[Jimbuna]

chinese?

Not on my list of users.

CLUE: Used in 13 different wars/conflicts.

[Catfish]

"eight wheels, close" but tracked?
German?
Only guess would be the Leopard :hmmm:
Belay that .. french?
Belay that, too ..
An MBT?

[Jimbuna]

"eight wheels, close" but tracked?
German?
Only guess would be the Leopard :hmmm:
Belay that .. french?
Belay that, too ..
An MBT?

Not tracked https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2821971&postcount=561 and not a MBT

CLUE: One main weapon and two machine guns.

[Catfish]

^ i don't know where i got the idea that Aktung's question for tracks was acknowledged :haha:
Ok ..

[Catfish]

Made in the Middle East ?

[Jimbuna]

Made in the Middle East ?

Not as far as I'm aware but there are a great many of them there and they have seen extensive military action in that area as well as other areas.

[Aktungbby]

six wheels?

[Jimbuna]

Six wheels it is.

[mapuc]

Able to carry soldiers ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

of course its able to carry soldiers!:O: Brazilian EE-9 Cascavel https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Cavalaria_%2828698748214%29.jpg/1280px-Cavalaria_%2828698748214%29.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qvyJvJn0/dfrte.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Able to carry soldiers ?

Markus

The crew obviously being soldiers :yep:

[Jimbuna]

of course its able to carry soldiers!:O: Brazilian EE-9 Cascavel https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Cavalaria_%2828698748214%29.jpg/1280px-Cavalaria_%2828698748214%29.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qvyJvJn0/dfrte.jpg

That's the one and over to you :salute:

[Aktungbby]

I'll have something shortly:hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

What's this:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12673

[Jimbuna]

Aeroplane?

[Aktungbby]

yup

[Catfish]

Is this the actual size of the airplane, or another size (art/model?)
Belay that.

Seems to be a kind of silver box with a lid, probably lockable, in airplane form, looking a bit art-déco-ish :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

A trophy?

[Aktungbby]

Is this the actual size of the airplane, or another size (art/model?)
Belay that.

Seems to be a kind of silver box with a lid, probably lockable, in airplane form, looking a bit art-déco-ish :hmmm:

A trophy?nope. It might be now but but it wasn't then...an actual production/prototype warplane.

[Catfish]

So on the picture is an actual 1:1 airplane, ok.

Does this clumpy thing in the right foreground belong to it?

[Aktungbby]

yup...although nuthin on this could be considered "clumpy"...except for its Allison engine.:03:

[Catfish]

Warhawk predecessor?

[Aktungbby]

in answer to your question, after voluminous research: no. This came well after; and didn't do as well.

[Catfish]

Still WW2 time interval?

[Aktungbby]

yes

[Jimbuna]

Lockheed P-38?

[Catfish]

thought of some Fisher type, but not one fits lol
Single engine?

Belay that. More than one built?

[Aktungbby]

you're right on the money! It is a Fisher type. More than one was built...and flown.:up: Attn Jimbuna: not a Lockheed 38.

[Jimbuna]

P-75?

[Aktungbby]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/P-75_Eagle_at_WPAFB.jpg/1280px-P-75_Eagle_at_WPAFB.jpg INDEED! over 2 U!:salute: Powered by a V-3420-19 24-cylinder engine rated at 2,600 hp (1,900 kW) driving co-axial contra-rotating propellers, the XP-75 flew for the first time on 17 November 1943. The second XP-75 flew shortly thereafter, with all six long-range XP-75s entering the test program by the spring 1944. The test program brought up numerous teething problems, including miscalculation of the fighter's center of mass, failure of the engine to produce its expected power, inadequate engine cooling, high aileron forces at high speed, and poor spin characteristics. Redesigns were introduced into the long-range XP-75s including a modified tail assembly, new "bubble" canopy, and a V-3420-23 engine that corrected most of the deficiencies by the time the first P-75A Eagles entered flight testing in September 1944.

By this time, the Army Air Forces had decided to limit the number of combat aircraft types in production and not enter into large-scale production of new types that might not be available before the war ended. As the twin-engine Lockheed P-38 Lightning and North American P-51 Mustang demonstrated excellent long-range capabilities, the production run of the P-75A Eagle was subsequently terminated on 6 October 1944. It was decided to use the six completed production aircraft for experimental work and development of the V-3420 engine. As a result of those events, the P-75A did not complete formal performance trials due to termination of the production contract. Ultimately, only eight XP-75s and six P-75As were built.

[Jimbuna]

What is this beauty?

https://i.postimg.cc/dQgf2V9y/ccvvnn.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/P-75_Eagle_at_WPAFB.jpg/1280px-P-75_Eagle_at_WPAFB.jpg INDEED! over 2 U!:salute:
I had looked at that several times but ruled it out. I thought the canopy visible in Aktung's photo in the background belonged to the wing in the foreground, which had no bubble canopy and would have been a bit of a strange construction with the wing so much forward :03:

[Aktungbby]

I had looked at that several times but ruled it out. I thought the canopy visible in Aktung's photo in the background belonged to the wing in the foreground, which had no bubble canopy and would have been a bit of a strange construction with the wing so much forward :03: I pulled a classic Jimbuna distortion-edit; it takes a lot to fool U guys!:Kaleun_Wink:

[Aktungbby]

@ Jimbuna: does it have wheels?

[Jimbuna]

Afraid not.

[mapuc]

Does it have a keel ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

It does.

[Aktungbby]

a submarine?

[Catfish]

Russian?

[Jimbuna]

a submarine?

Not a submarine.

[Jimbuna]

Russian?

Too far north.

[Catfish]

european ?

[mapuc]

Is it one of these boats that transported high ranked officer from the ship e.g. Battleship to shore or viceversa ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

european ?

Further south.

[Jimbuna]

Is it one of these boats that transported high ranked officer from the ship e.g. Battleship to shore or viceversa ?

Markus

Civilian not military.

[Cyborg322]

a yacht of some kind ?

[mapuc]

Chris Craft type ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

a yacht of some kind ?

Not classed as a yacht.

[Jimbuna]

Chris Craft type ?

Markus

Bigger and faster.

[Aktungbby]

Italian?

[Jimbuna]

Further south and built for a particular purpose.

[Aktungbby]

South African?

[mapuc]

Is it a yacht ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Not classed as a yacht.

Is it a yacht ?

Markus:doh: does it have sails?

[mapuc]

:doh: does it have sails?

Are you saying I should pay more attention to what is being written in this thread :oops:

Markus

[Jimbuna]

South African?

Further south.

[Jimbuna]

Are you saying I should pay more attention to what is being written in this thread :oops:

Markus

I think he is :)

[Aktungbby]

Antartica!!??

[Jimbuna]

North

[Aktungbby]

a south Atlantic island ice-btreaker?

[Jimbuna]

Not with a top speed of 32 knots.

[mapuc]

Kind of Day cruiser ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Not a day cruiser.

CLUE: Usual complement was 4-8

[mapuc]

A USCG ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Not American no.

[Aktungbby]

narco semisubmersable?

[Jimbuna]

Built post 2000 and has since sunk.

[Aktungbby]

did it have a name?

[Catfish]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2823976&postcount=637
So a narco sub or not? Please no answers that are none :03:

[mapuc]

Colombia is not "south of Africa", so must be wrong ?

South Australia and New Zealand is more south than South Africa

Markus

[Catfish]

Yes, also some south-american countries.
But there was a definite question by Aktung and no definite answer.

[Jimbuna]

narco semisubmersable?

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2823976&postcount=637
So a narco sub or not? Please no answers that are none :03:

Yes, also some south-american countries.
But there was a definite question by Aktung and no definite answer.

Apologies, I thought I had...the answer is No, not a narco semisubmersable.

[Jimbuna]

did it have a name?


Two actually, one when launched and a second prior to sinking.

[Jimbuna]

South Australia and New Zealand is more south than South Africa

Markus

You are within a whisker, having mentioned the exact country.

[Catfish]

New Zealand Calibre boats built Trimaran »Earthrace«, later »Ady Gil«, sunk near the Antarctis after collision with japanese whaling ship?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jan/06/sea-shepherd-adygil-japan-whalers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MY_Ady_Gil#/media/File:Earthrace-2.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Spot on the money Kai and very well done :yeah:

https://i.postimg.cc/brn83SRv/Earthrace-2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/zHq9fB6m)

Over to you Sir :salute:

[Aktungbby]

Antartica!!??

South Australia and New Zealand is more south than South Africa

Markus

You are within a whisker, having mentioned the exact country. Your answer should have been:"You R within a whisker of the 'exact continent' where it sank!" if consistency is any virtue!:O: Moreover it falls within the general definition of "yacht"...although when re-clothed in black anti-radar kevlar! it should probably be classed as an anti-whaling "pirate vessel"??!:arrgh!: Nice one Kai.:Kaleun_Applaud:

[Catfish]

This looked like taking forever lol I was off track due to the colour, only looking for a boat with a white hull that sank, this black anti-radar coating effectively removed it from my radar for some time :haha:

At work now, will post some new riddle this afternoon/evening (GMT) :salute:

[Catfish]

ok, i got one .. what is this?

https://i.imgur.com/XmZVBjAm.jpg

(Hope Google image search is not that perfect ...)

[mapuc]

Looks like one of these special guitars used in Country&Western

Markus

[Catfish]

a bit maybe(?), but no guitar

[mapuc]

a bit maybe(?), but no guitar

I made some searches and found out that this special guitar is called Pedal Steel Guitar-And it ain't such an instrument.

Markus

[Catfish]

I see where you got the idea :)
But it is not a music instrument

[mapuc]

This handle on the top is it used to open and close for whatever this machine use ?

Markus

[Catfish]

I admit i do niot exactly know what this "handle" is, but it is no handle for sure.
I take it is better not to be touched, epecially when in use!

[mapuc]

I admit i do niot exactly know what this "handle" is, but it is no handle for sure.
I take it is better not to be touched, epecially when in use!

You are probably right but it looks like there a wooden handle in the end of this arm. That's why I thought it was used to regulate fluid example gas.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

a steam car?

[Catfish]

You are probably right but it looks like there a wooden handle in the end of this arm. That's why I thought it was used to regulate fluid example gas. Markus
Hmm do you mean the very small horizontal "lever" at the right side of the "arm"? This indeed seems to have been a handle to rotate the whole arm along its axis, though there should be another one to turn or direct it around the vertical axis.

https://i.imgur.com/XCpBgF3m.jpg

a steam car?
No.

[Jimbuna]

Found in a rolling mill?

[Catfish]

Found in a rolling mill?
"Only accidentally" :03:
No, never.

[Jimbuna]

Musical instrument?

[Catfish]

Not a musical instrument.

[Aktungbby]

I see where you got the idea :)
But it is not a music instrument

Musical instrument?:ping::ping::timeout::oops::hmmm::shuck s: An 1800's device?

[Jimbuna]

Some kind of machine for manufacturing purposes.

[Catfish]

A "hint".

https://i.imgur.com/lO6iV9bm.jpg

Sorry :D

[Aktungbby]

German?

[Jimbuna]

Looks a bit like a mini-gun.

[Catfish]

No, not german.

Not a gun.

[Catfish]

:ping::ping::timeout::oops::hmmm::shucks: An 1800's device?
Not that old.

[Jimbuna]

Trophy?

[Catfish]

Some kind of machine for manufacturing purposes.
Not for producing or manufacturing

[Catfish]

Not a trophy.

[Jimbuna]

Any connection with cinema/movies?

[Catfish]

Not at all

[mapuc]

WWI era ?

Markus

[Catfish]

"Era", yes, began a bit earlier.

https://i.imgur.com/4ygnVXfm.jpg

Another sketch of a person holding this .. thing. Seems he is grabbing indeed a lever, or handle

[Catfish]

Some hint:
in the early years of aviation there were several ideas taken from animals and plants to develop all kinds of things.
One e.g. was this Zanonia seed used to invent the Etrich Taube's wing, becoming one of the most stable airplanes ever built. The Zanonia copy was an austrian idea (by Mr. Etrich), then stolen by german Mr. Rumpler.
Other countries had other ideas. This is indeed a very strange one.

[Jimbuna]

So, are we looking for an actual aircraft?

[Catfish]

^ "Yes". The intention at least was there, but physics got in the way.

[Aktungbby]

Between 1900 & 1914?

[Jimbuna]

After 1914?

[Eichhörnchen]

So it's what is known as a "personal flying device"?

[Catfish]

Between 1900 & 1914?
Yes, some state it started in 1914, some say close before 1914.

After 1914?
Project went on all through the war, not much progress. Only tested after the war, no success.

[Catfish]

So it's what is known as a "personal flying device"?
Hard to say. Maybe the military was mildly interested, but it was more of a scientific effort.

[Aktungbby]

french?

[Catfish]

Yes, french :up:

[Catfish]

Found in a rolling mill?
Just to give a hint (as i wrote not anyhing to do with a rolling mill).
But those three circular structures you see here (fourth hidden behind)
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2824989&postcount=659
are indeed wheels/rolls.

[Eichhörnchen]

Here's a link to an internet forum where they discuss such things; I don't have the time today to go through it all but someone else might find the answer here or somewhere else like it

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/little-known-french-projects-and-prototypes.15821/page-9

[Catfish]

^ I did not go through all of it, but did not immediately find it.
But you have opened a can of worms considering future quests :haha:

another hint: This "arm" as mapuc called it (located on top) can be moved for control. In one sketch this arm is shown constructed as a vane, but this most probably did not work.
The later version's "arm" we see on picture #1 is constructed with a jet nozzle outlet at the distal end.
I first thought it were hot exhaust gases (this contraption does have an engine) being sent through some kind of exhaust pipe, but most probably not.
Instead it seems air was being used.

[Aktungbby]

piston engined?

[Catfish]

Yes, piston engine.
[insert little devil head here]

[Aktungbby]

in a museum?

[Catfish]

I'm pretty sure it does not exist anymore :hmmm:

Oops stop. Just read it is in a museum somewhere in Japan. Will look for it ..
edit: only mentioned once to be in said museum, and i did not find any photo of it being there.

[Aktungbby]

I've looked at all japanese aviation museums and their display lists...nada! Is it a monoplane or biplane?

[Buddahaid]

I really have to get back into this.

[Catfish]

I've looked at all japanese aviation museums and their display lists...nada
Yep, museum only mentioned in one forum thread, and i didn't find it there as said before.
Is it a monoplane or biplane?Hrmm. Neither.

[Jimbuna]

Triplane?

[Catfish]

Not a triplane.

[Jimbuna]

Quadruplane?

[Catfish]

^ Not a quadruplane.

You are one the wrong track :)

[Jimbuna]

Cornu?

[Eichhörnchen]

Was power to be supplied by steam?

[Catfish]

Cornu?
Not Cornu, but now you are almost on the right path.

Was power to be supplied by steam?
No.

Hint: it was a LeRhône 80 hp rotary engine.

[Jimbuna]

So are we looking for a helicopter?

[Catfish]

^ Good question, hard to answer.
Yes, but not like one we usually think of. The "..copter" is correct.
It is a "rotocraft" alright.

As said before this is a very unusual machine.

[mapuc]

Is it a kind of a Gyrocopter ?

Markus

[Catfish]

Is it a kind of a Gyrocopter ?
Markus
Almost, but the definition of a gyrocopter does not fit. The 'rotor' is not passive.
Sometimes described as a helicopter but this does not fit either.

As said before, the pioneers of aviation often used nature for ideas, like Etrich did with the Zanonia seed.

Big hint: In this case the object also has nature as a guide, like a seed. But not the Zanonia one ..

[Aktungbby]

Simply ask: "French air_jet steered early copter" ... & voìla! get: Papin-Rouilly Gyroptere (Gyropter) https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/papin-rouilly-motor.jpg https://oldmachinepress.com/2012/09/06/papin-rouilly-gyroptere-gyropter/ :|\\ :haha: https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/papin-rouilly-test1.jpg< methinks that gent needed a life preserver...BIG TIME!?? the gizmo was exceedingly unstable! ....their monocopter was based on the sycamore seed;https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/2979252/screenshots/5769682/2018.12.31-18.30.28.gif a single blade extends from the seed to spin the seed and slow its descent as it falls. Even so, the machine was wildly out of balance, and the blade repeatedly contacted the water, damaging itself and shaking up the pilot. In addition, the 80 hp Le Rhone engine used was not powerful enough; the Gyroptere had been designed to use a 100 hp (75 kW) engine which could not be obtained. It helped also that I actually used to watch sycamore seeds swirling as a kid!

[Buddahaid]

Looks like something Dr. Seuss would dream up.

[Catfish]

re Aktungbby This is it :up:

https://i.imgur.com/ncoVldGl.jpg



The "gyropter" from Papin and Rouilly, an early monocopter,
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocopter)
called Chrsysalide, idea based on the swinging and rotating sycamore seed.

The engine provided a strong airflow which was directed to the distal end of the big single plane and working like a jet to rotate it, a smaller tube was directed to a movable control "arm" to counter unwanted rotation and steer the thing, also with a (smaller) jet opening:

https://i.imgur.com/IK9ppTxl.jpg


The pilot stood in a circular tub at the center of the centripetal forces, which was standing on roller bearings, while at the upper side was being held by the four bigger wheels that can be seen placed around the tub.
The rest of the apparatus was circling around the tub at a planned 60 rpm.....

https://i.imgur.com/nQMTmLMl.jpg

A one hundred hp rotary LeRhône engine had been planned, and the 80 hp used proved to be too weak, it only provided 47 rpm instead of the needed 60, and the machine weighed 20 percent more than calculated.
The circular bottom part is a float, probably also used to internally distribute the airflow.

M. Papin (the gent in the french uniform seen on some of the photos) tried to start the Chrsysalide from a lake. It did not really take off (maybe saving his life), but sank.

https://i.imgur.com/j2u030hl.jpg

A model of the machine:
http://modelbox.free.fr/analyses/MS2002_10P/SCRH_Papin/index.html

It works as a small drone, electronically controlled for counterbalance.

Lockheed drone from 2011:
https://www.wired.com/2011/08/lockheed-sycamore-seeds/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_6EjX8T9Ag



Thanks for all partaking, i think this was quite a tough one :arrgh!:
Over to Aktungbby! :salute:

[Aktungbby]

What "monument" is this? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12697

[Cyborg322]

Horse Block Duke of Wellington 1830

[Jimbuna]

That's the one :yep:

[Aktungbby]

damn! That was quick! The Duke's mounting block in Pall Mall London for getting off his destreyer (not Copenhagen?)at his club. Over to Cyborg322!:Kaleun_Salute:

[Aktungbby]

After a suitable delay, What's this? https://subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12698

[Jimbuna]

Diesel engine?

[Eichhörnchen]

A building?

[mapuc]

It's part of a warship - I'm pretty sure it is

Markus

[Catfish]

Electromagnetic gizmo?

[Aktungbby]

Diesel engine? I don't think so.
A building? Yes.

It's part of a warship - I'm pretty sure it is

Markus It had an intended military purpose.

Electromagnetic gizmo? Partly...

[Catfish]

Nuclear context?

[mapuc]

Has it something to do with Philadelphia ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Nuclear context?:hmmm:...in response to your vague, open-ended inquiry as in inquired...yup. hint: involvement with this 'gizmo' produced fatalities.

Has it something to do with Philadelphia ?

Markusnope

[Eichhörnchen]

Chernobyl?

[Aktungbby]

Chernobyl? JEEZE! way 2 go! you got it half right! Now get the other half and bring home the bacon Comrade:yep:

[Jimbuna]

The nuclear plant in Ukraine currently occupied by the Russians ?

Zaporizhzhia?

[Aktungbby]

nope...from half a century+ ago...

[mapuc]

is the word Manhattan a part of it.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

In the US?

[Aktungbby]

is the word Manhattan a part of it.

Markus

In the US?nope 2 bothayaz!

[Jimbuna]

Japan Fukishima?

[Aktungbby]

nope

[Catfish]

Hungary (PAKS II) ?

[Aktungbby]

nope

[Catfish]

Ukraine?

[Aktungbby]

it might have transited Ukraine to the Black Sea but was not exclusively Ukrainean...at that time.

[Eichhörnchen]

Is it in Pripyat?

[Aktungbby]

It did not serve on land and i cannot determine if it still exists

[Eichhörnchen]

Karadeniz powership?

[Aktungbby]

Nope: not a powered surface vessel

[Catfish]

Belonging to a submarine?

[Jimbuna]

Iranian?

[Aktungbby]

Belonging to a submarine?not "belonging" an entire entity with a crew of 4-6...

Iranian?nope. Iraneans have no particular interest in this type of environment.

[Catfish]

not "belonging" an entire entity with a crew of 4-6...
Huh? :hmmm:
Submarine/submersible or not?

[Aktungbby]

definitely submersible; but sometimes not...causing fatalities.

[mapuc]

Is it San Diego the FLIP(FLoating Instrument Platform) ship ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

not American.

[mapuc]

not American.

Sorry I forgot

Markus

[Aktungbby]

not American. You're approx. 15000 miles too far west.