View Full Version : Who / What / Where Game Part 2
Jimbuna
10-22-23, 10:54 AM
Nope/
CLUE: Still in production to this day.
Jimbuna
10-22-23, 11:24 AM
Feeling charitable today so here is another visual clue.
https://i.postimg.cc/prMpzdbz/fhjgbbb.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Aktungbby
10-22-23, 03:03 PM
israeli merkova? ?
Jimbuna
10-23-23, 05:20 AM
Getting warmer.
CLUE: I spent about a month in the country back in 77
Aktungbby
10-23-23, 11:47 AM
Iran?
Jimbuna
10-23-23, 12:36 PM
Yes.
Ostfriese
10-23-23, 01:07 PM
Karrar tank?
Jimbuna
10-23-23, 01:28 PM
That's the one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karrar_(tank)
https://i.postimg.cc/057tWhTZ/Karrar-tank-thermal-2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Over to you :salute:
Ostfriese
10-23-23, 02:35 PM
Seems I stole Aktungs triumph. Do you want to continue?
Aktungbby
10-23-23, 03:58 PM
no no; I led u 2 the 'promised land' as intended.:D Now post something new and interesting.:salute: @ jimbuna; the cape netting camo is like the russian cape netting andit is 'probably' anti-infrared...according 2 my sources.
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 12:39 AM
Alright, here we go:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13322
What's this?
Aktungbby
10-24-23, 01:07 AM
German battle cruiser?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 01:15 AM
^No.
Picture of wreck ?
Markus
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 04:09 AM
Picture of wreck ?
Markus
No, at the time the picture was taken it was in service.
Jimbuna
10-24-23, 05:19 AM
German?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 05:20 AM
Not German.
Jimbuna
10-24-23, 05:26 AM
British?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 05:39 AM
It's not British, either, although British influence on the design is not only visible, but undeniable.
Jimbuna
10-24-23, 05:51 AM
Japanese?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 05:52 AM
Surprisingly enough it isn't Japanese, either.
Jimbuna
10-24-23, 06:07 AM
Can't be many left, Italian? :)
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 06:29 AM
Not Italian.
Eichhörnchen
10-24-23, 06:39 AM
French?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 06:42 AM
French?
Not French, either.
Jimbuna
10-24-23, 09:21 AM
Allied?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 09:55 AM
Swedish ?
Markus
No, sorry.
Allied?
The nation was among the Allies during World War II.
Jimbuna
10-24-23, 09:59 AM
Canadian?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 10:02 AM
Canadian?
^No.
Jimbuna
10-24-23, 10:06 AM
Was the country occupied during WWII?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 10:13 AM
Was the country occupied during WWII?
No, it wasn't.
Aktungbby
10-24-23, 10:16 AM
european?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 10:25 AM
european?
^Nope
Jimbuna
10-24-23, 10:26 AM
Australian?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 10:31 AM
Australian?
No (if I remember correctly, there were parts of Australia which were occupied by the Japanese. Wasn't Rabaul on New Britain originally Australian?)
There's a few countries left who wasn't occupied during WWII.
America is one of them
So I say America ?
Markus
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 11:46 AM
There's a few countries left who wasn't occupied during WWII.
America is one of them
So I say America ?
Markus
Well, parts of the USA were occupied for a time during WW II (Attu Island, Kiska Island, Guam, for example).
So, it's not US American either.
Eichhörnchen
10-24-23, 12:05 PM
South Africa?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 12:10 PM
South Africa?
We're almost around the world now with your guesses, but I'm sorry to say that it's not South African either.
Jimbuna
10-24-23, 01:30 PM
New Zealand?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 01:33 PM
Brazil ?
Markus
Yep, Markus is on the right track.
Jimbuna
10-24-23, 01:35 PM
So, South American?
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 01:50 PM
No, Marcus was already right with "Brazil" - it's Brazilian
Aktungbby
10-24-23, 02:12 PM
Minas Gerais or Sao Paulo? https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Minas_Geraes_WW2-aerial-HD-1024x568.jpg
Ostfriese
10-24-23, 02:20 PM
It is indeed the Minas Gerais. Built in the UK in 1910, it had the heaviest broadside of any ship in the world when commissioned. She was offered to support the British fleet once Brazil joined WWI, but was in poor condition by then. Despite being modernized between the wars, she was obsolete and considered too old to be of use once Brazil joined the Allies in WWII. She was scrapped in the early 1950s.
So Aktung, now it's really your turn :Kaleun_Salute:
Aktungbby
10-24-23, 04:01 PM
British?
It's not British, either, although British influence on the design is not only visible, but undeniable.
It is indeed the Minas Gerais. Built in the UK in 1910, it had the heaviest broadside of any ship in the world when commissioned. She was offered to support the British fleet once Brazil joined WWI, but was in poor condition by then. Despite being modernized between the wars, she was obsolete and considered too old to be of use once Brazil joined the Allies in WWII. She was scrapped in the early 1950s.
So Aktung, now it's really your turn :Kaleun_Salute: Thanks but It belongs to Jimbuna. While Mapuc certainly led me to the 'promised land' your response to Jimbuna' question was grossly inaccurate; both ships were ordered from britain! and are therefore of british construction (not just influence??!)as your answer should've reflected.https://naval-encyclopedia.com/ww2/brazilian-navy.php
Certainly, the most famous Brazilian ships were the two battleships Minas Gerais and Sao Paulo. They had a long career (1910-1953) and are seen remembered with nostalgy today. They were ordered in Great Britain, like Chile a little later for its two “Almirante”. Brazil was the first of three major South American naval powers to purchasing of this new type of battleship, imposing a new standard, but also taking a huge strain in terms of budget.
They were the heart of the ambitious new program of 1904, and were to be followed by two other units for 1914: The Rio de Janeiro (requisitioned, completed as HMS Agincourt) and the Riachuelo, never built. Two of these ships were laid down by Armstrong at Elswick in Newcastle upon Tyne (Minas Geraes and Rio de Janeiro), while the other was subcontracted out to Vickers in Barrow (São Paulo). However, the new dreadnought concept, which was showcased upon the completion of the namesake ship in December 1906, rendered the Brazilian ships obsolete....on the other hand, homeboy Jimbo:arrgh!: should've been up on all Newcastle commissioned warships...:O: I'll await his final decision.
Jimbuna
10-25-23, 05:36 AM
I'm stuck indoors all day and the TOON don't kick off in the Champions League till 8pm this evening so I'll take it, cheers Vinnie.
An easy one....what is this?
https://i.postimg.cc/903fQ5k0/fgghhj.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Ostfriese
10-25-23, 11:48 AM
Thanks but It belongs to Jimbuna. While Mapuc certainly led me to the 'promised land' your response to Jimbuna' question was grossly inaccurate; both ships were ordered from britain! and are therefore of british construction (not just influence??!)as your answer should've reflected. ...on the other hand, homeboy Jimbo:arrgh!: should've been up on all Newcastle commissioned warships...:O: I'll await his final decision.
I understood the question as "was it a ship of the Royal Navy?", which it wasn't, so my answer was by no means inaccurate.
Aktungbby
10-25-23, 03:17 PM
I understood the question as "was it a ship of the Royal Navy?", which it wasn't, so my answer was by no means inaccurate.
:hmph::|\\:()1::help::eek::gulp::/\\x::yawn:'understanding' is oft a fleeting enigma within a cunundrum:O:
Aktungbby
10-27-23, 09:32 AM
part of a building?
Jimbuna
10-27-23, 11:40 AM
Not a building.
Aktungbby
10-27-23, 03:35 PM
Sculpture?
Jimbuna
10-28-23, 03:48 AM
Well done.
Aktungbby
10-28-23, 10:50 AM
...is that a "you got it" 'well done'; or a "you're on the scent, keep searching" 'well done'?:hmmm:
Jimbuna
10-29-23, 05:32 AM
The latter unfortunately.
Aktungbby
10-29-23, 09:24 AM
is it in Britain?
Jimbuna
10-29-23, 12:36 PM
Yes.
Aktungbby
10-29-23, 03:06 PM
in a museum?
Catfish
10-29-23, 04:06 PM
Wild guess ..
Gormley's "The Angel of the North" ? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
10-30-23, 04:08 AM
in a museum?
Not indoors.
Jimbuna
10-30-23, 04:10 AM
Wild guess ..
Gormley's "The Angel of the North" ? :hmmm:
The 'wild guess' takes it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_the_North
https://i.postimg.cc/QMLzY3fN/angel-of-the-north.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Over to you and welcome back Kai :salute:
Catfish
10-30-23, 03:42 PM
ooh I didn't really .. ok
will have something shortly.
Aktungbby
10-30-23, 03:48 PM
...well I knew what it was; but as it was an upright angel and I'm constrained as a a 'gefallen engel', I couldn"t in good conscience respond!:03:
Catfish
10-30-23, 03:55 PM
^ well it would be a "gefallener Engel", but I get what you mean :03:
What is this ..
https://i.imgur.com/BoFFAEWm.jpg
An American bomberplane ?
Markus
Catfish
10-30-23, 03:56 PM
An American bomberplane ?
Markus
That was fast, yes!
That was fast, yes!
Guess you want us to guess which type and when this type was active ?
Markus
Catfish
10-30-23, 04:08 PM
Yes, exact name please :)
Was this specific bomberplane famous ?
Markus
Catfish
10-30-23, 04:15 PM
Not the one on the photo. A related type was, generally.
Catfish
10-30-23, 04:31 PM
No.
But it is a Boeing.
Catfish
10-30-23, 04:55 PM
Not a B 17.
Active during WWII ?
Edit
Looks like this plane
Consolidated B-32 Dominator who is a relative to B-24.
End edit
Markus
Jimbuna
10-31-23, 05:12 AM
Four engines?
Catfish
10-31-23, 06:13 AM
Active during WWII ?
Edit
Looks like this plane
Consolidated B-32 Dominator who is a relative to B-24.
End edit
Markus
Active during WWII, yes.
You are on the right way, the tail is from the B-32 Dominator :03:
But it is not a B-32. It is a B-24, but a special version. Which one?
Four engines?
Yes.
Jimbuna
10-31-23, 06:31 AM
The 5000th to be built?
Exocet25fr
10-31-23, 06:59 AM
It begins with a "P" :03:
Jimbuna
10-31-23, 07:19 AM
Privateer?
Catfish
10-31-23, 01:42 PM
It begins with a "P" :03:
Yes .. :timeout:
Privateer?
This is the one:
Basically a B-24 with another tail, used until after the war and until 2002 afaik.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_PB4Y-2_Privateer
https://i.imgur.com/ElU5SMUl.jpg
And sorry, i posted it to be a Boeing, but of course it isn't :oops:
Consolidated PB4Y-2 Privateer
Over to Jim :salute:
Jimbuna
10-31-23, 01:45 PM
I'll put something up in the morning.
And I who was doing a lot of search for Boeing bomber planes WWII.
I found this plane, but said to myself it ain't a Boeing.
Well better luck to me next time.
Markus
Jimbuna
11-01-23, 05:55 AM
Okay then, what is this?
https://i.postimg.cc/NfsM0vsC/ffffffff.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Aktungbby
11-01-23, 09:52 AM
Boeing?:O:
Jimbuna
11-01-23, 12:58 PM
Hardly.
Aktungbby
11-01-23, 03:01 PM
pre WW II?
Jimbuna
11-02-23, 06:32 AM
Way beyond that.
Aktungbby
11-02-23, 09:38 AM
in russia?
Jimbuna
11-02-23, 12:09 PM
A sculpture but not in Russia.
Something to do with religion ?
Markus
Jimbuna
11-03-23, 06:59 AM
Rather mythology.
Aktungbby
11-03-23, 11:04 AM
in asia?
Jimbuna
11-03-23, 12:28 PM
Not Asia.
CLUE: You've been pretty close to it.
Aktungbby
11-04-23, 01:47 AM
Scotland?
Jimbuna
11-04-23, 06:55 AM
Aye.
Exocet25fr
11-04-23, 07:27 AM
They begin with a "K" :03:
Aktungbby
11-04-23, 11:24 AM
Rosslyn Chapel stone carvings?
Jimbuna
11-04-23, 11:43 AM
Close but no cigar.
Has it something to do with Celtic mythology ?
Markus
Jimbuna
11-04-23, 11:52 AM
Can't say for certain Markus but not as far as I'm aware.
Aktungbby
11-04-23, 12:43 PM
pictish stone carvings?
Catfish
11-04-23, 03:19 PM
The "Kelpies" near Falkirk?
Jimbuna
11-05-23, 06:34 AM
pictish stone carvings?
Not quite.
Jimbuna
11-05-23, 06:35 AM
The "Kelpies" near Falkirk?
Kai wins again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kelpies
Over to you :salute:
Aktungbby
11-05-23, 10:21 AM
Scotland?
Aye.
Kai wins again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kelpies
Over to you ...leading Kai to the 'promised land' is, in fact, a favorite pastime of mine!??:O:
Jimbuna
11-05-23, 12:05 PM
Indeed, the one thing you excel at :)
Aktungbby
11-05-23, 12:17 PM
That's what my wife laments as well!:shucks: :har::oops: :dead:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=9430...even as I led her to the World of Whisky tour on the Edinburgh Royal Mile!
Catfish
11-05-23, 12:41 PM
^ Meeting in Scotland for a whisky distillery tour would be a great idea
This would almost count as the "promised land", for some (like me) :D
Aktung excels in many things, but in this case Jim's hints about mythology did the trick.
We had an invitation to an opera visit yesterday in Braunschweig "Barber of Seville" and did not look here again .. :oops:
Will have something new shortly –
Catfish
11-05-23, 01:39 PM
Ok what is this ?
https://i.imgur.com/2fk7NxDl.jpg
Exocet25fr
11-05-23, 03:07 PM
Chinese ones based on Tu..
Catfish
11-05-23, 03:16 PM
Not chinese
Russian ?Belay that
British ?
Markus
Catfish
11-05-23, 04:38 PM
Not british
Aktungbby
11-05-23, 05:30 PM
four engine?
Catfish
11-05-23, 05:35 PM
Italy ?
Markus
Not italian
four engine?
Yep.
Aktungbby
11-05-23, 09:19 PM
American?
Jimbuna
11-06-23, 04:17 AM
Chinese?
Exocet25fr
11-06-23, 05:41 AM
If no Chinese, Soviet...
Catfish
11-06-23, 06:04 AM
American?
Yep.
Chinese?
No, see above
If no Chinese, Soviet...
Not either
Jimbuna
11-06-23, 08:01 AM
Post WWII?
Catfish
11-06-23, 10:41 AM
^ Yes.
Hint: it is some modernisation of an older plane that served in WW2
Aktungbby
11-06-23, 10:45 AM
upgraded soviet copy B-29?(they tended not to be painted in camo-colors even in combat) https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/tupolev-tu-4-the-soviet-b-29-copycat-that-made-nato-s-blood-boil_1.jpg
Catfish
11-06-23, 11:43 AM
It is not the B-29, but it is indeed a (tatadaaa) Boeing.
Exact type please, or the purpose this one was used for.
Aktungbby
11-06-23, 11:50 AM
So, not a chinese or russian reverse engineered aircraft at all?
Catfish
11-06-23, 11:51 AM
^ No, all-american.
Aktungbby
11-06-23, 11:53 AM
Well, now that i've led jimbuna to the promised land....:arrgh!:
Jimbuna
11-06-23, 11:54 AM
Not getting involved :)
Was there build more than this one in the picture ?
Markus
Catfish
11-06-23, 01:56 PM
^ not sure, there may have been two.
edit: just read it was one of a kind. Another one was planned but it never materialized.
It was built to "fight", for civilian purposes.
Aktungbby
11-06-23, 07:08 PM
Ok what is this ?
https://i.imgur.com/2fk7NxDl.jpg
https://i0.wp.com/www.aerovintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/n1340n_7.jpg?w=800&ssl=1 Dart turbo engine equipped B-17 fire tanker...that had an unfortunate end? https://i0.wp.com/www.aerovintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/n1340n_6.jpg?w=998&ssl=1
Jimbuna
11-07-23, 05:43 AM
Going off the clue It was built to "fight", for civilian purposes.
That could well be the one.
Aktungbby
11-07-23, 11:21 AM
Nah; I missed Kai's 'fight for civilian purposes' clue and simply looked at "WWII bombers with Dart turbo engines" and realized I'd been overly focused on B-29s and their Soviet/Sino copy-cat knockoffs...a Boeing B-17 with Dart turbos could 'fill the bill' as well...:hmmm:...awaiting Kai's response.
Catfish
11-07-23, 12:13 PM
Yep it is a B17 with Allison Dart engines, Aktungbby takes the cake :up:
It was modified to fight fire as a flying tanker, until it unfortunately crashed. The photo of the Tanker B17 with its elongated engine housings was already posted above.
Some more info in those two links:
https://www.aerovintage.com/2022/11/25/the-unique-turboprop-b-17/
https://generalaviationnews.com/2021/09/26/what-engines-could-the-b-17-use/
There were also other modifications, they even tried one big turboprop on a B17, as well as a a jet engine..
https://i.imgur.com/zEvfa0ql.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HsiJABYl.jpg
Over to Vinnie :salute:
Aktungbby
11-07-23, 12:48 PM
What's this? https://subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=13352
Looks like a Consolidated PBY Catalina aircraft
Markus
Aktungbby
11-07-23, 03:25 PM
Yup it sorta duz at that!:D
Was this aircraft famous ?
Markus
Catfish
11-07-23, 03:47 PM
From the colours and this door, maybe the chinese 'Kunlong' AG600 (- 1003) ?
Belay that. Plane?
Aktungbby
11-07-23, 04:22 PM
From the colours and this door, maybe the chinese 'Kunlong' AG600 (- 1003) ?
Belay that. Plane? yes
Was this aircraft famous ?
Markus:hmmm:...unique would be more apt.
Jimbuna
11-08-23, 05:45 AM
American?
Aktungbby
11-08-23, 09:48 AM
nope
Have there been made a movie about this plane and it's story ?
Markus
Aktungbby
11-08-23, 10:40 AM
...not to my knowledge; but if there is one, it probably wouldn't be in English...:hmmm:
Jimbuna
11-08-23, 12:35 PM
Chinese?
Catfish
11-08-23, 03:20 PM
Amphibian?
Aktungbby
11-08-23, 04:40 PM
Chinese?nope
Amphibian? nope
Catfish
11-08-23, 04:45 PM
Handley-Page?
Aktungbby
11-08-23, 05:45 PM
[COLOR="Lime"]...not to my knowledge; but if there is one, it probably wouldn't be in EnglishHandley-Paige training films tended to be in English!:D
Jimbuna
11-09-23, 05:23 AM
Japanese?
Aktungbby
11-09-23, 10:07 AM
too far east.
Catfish
11-09-23, 11:08 AM
Biplane?
Ostfriese
11-09-23, 12:41 PM
Soviet Union?
Jimbuna
11-09-23, 12:46 PM
Ukrainian?
Aktungbby
11-09-23, 05:17 PM
Biplane?YES!
Soviet Union?at the time yes; but not Russian designed.
Ukrainian?nope..."go west young man"!
India ?
Markusnope
Aktungbby
11-10-23, 12:12 AM
...Of a sort. It drops it 'pay load' on specific targets.
Ostfriese
11-10-23, 12:23 AM
A Polish PZL M-15 "Belphegor" crop duster.
Jimbuna
11-10-23, 06:21 AM
Nice one.
Aktungbby
11-10-23, 11:14 AM
A Polish PZL M-15 "Belphegor" crop duster. :Kaleun_Salute:Very good! My next hint would have been "any one flying this contraption would have to put on a polished performance...lest he 'come a cropper", and crash-land!:O: https://disciplesofflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/PZL_M-15_Belphegor_aircraft.jpg Is the PZL M-15 Belphegor the world’s slowest jet, or the world’s heaviest biplane?
Behold, the PZL M-15 Belphegor, the world’s only jet-powered biplane and also the world’s only jet-powered agricultural aircraft. Doesn’t look so hot, does it?
The PZL M-15 was part of a 1970s era Soviet economic plan to replace the AN-2 biplane for the task of tending to the vast wheat fields of Ukraine and Poland which were critical to the USSR’s food supply. Interestingly, the M-15’s specifications were handed down from political leaders within the USSR; the M-15 was to be the people’s crop duster of the future, meant to embody the rapid progress of socialism. State of the art technology would be used to create the best darn crop duster that the world had ever seen—or that was the plan, anyway.
The political constraint imposed on the hypothetical next-generation crop duster was that it would have to be jet powered because jets were thought to be the future of all aviation at the time. It also turns out that the Politburo (or Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union) didn’t realize that jets are terrible at tasks like crop dusting. The Polish engineers behind the PZL M-15 weren’t about to ruin their tentative independence from the USSR’s main aircraft production corpus by producing a plane that didn’t meet the spec, and so the abomination of the M-15 began to take shape, literally. Polish engineers recognized the difficulty of using a heavy jet engine in a plane that must fly slow and low, and quickly invented a solution which took cues from the AN-2 that the M-15 was intended to replace. The M-15 would be a biplane to produce enough lift, and, to protect the intake of the engine from debris, the engine would ride on top of the fuselage. In essence, the M-15 would take a common Soviet jet engine, and build a crop dusting plane around it in the hope that it would end up working better than the AN-2.
Making a Demon
Originally produced in Poland, the PZL M-15 was beset by quite a few problems right out of the gate, with some issues being more serious than others. Simply put, the M-15 didn’t retain the classic biplane aesthetic of the AN-2, and instead was an ungainly monster that didn’t clearly belong in the sky or on land. People hated the way that the M-15 looked, and christened it “Belphegor” after the biblical demon of greed. Not a great start for the new workhorse of the USSR’s breadbasket.
It’s no surprise why the Belphegor is so ugly: the Belphegor’s sets of wings are connected by the fuselage as well as two apple shaped pillars, which are hollow. Inside of the hollow pillars lies the crop dusting chemicals required to perform its job along with the pressurized air system which disperses the chemicals.ie: "a bomber of a sort"??!
Looks and crop dusting aside, jet engines are much harder to maintain than the AN-2s that agricultural aircraft mechanics were accustomed to in the late Soviet era. Even once mechanics were properly trained to service the M-15, they were often short on parts due to the shortcomings of the Soviet supply chain, leading to a lot of hours spent on the ground rather than above the crop fields. Needless to say that the aircraft the M-15 was meant to replace—the AN-2—had none of these problems whatsoever, and continued to serve the same role during the same time period.
https://disciplesofflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/PZL_M-15_Belphegor_aircraft_front_view.jpg
For a jet, it’s hard to beat the lift that the M-15 airframe provides on its own. It’s also hard for most jets to go as slow as the M-15 does without stalling. The M-15 cruises at around 80 knots, and stalls at 58.5 knots. (hence the 'polished' performance!) Unfortunately, the farming staff responsible for actually flying the M-15 couldn’t appreciate these features, as they were used to using very forgiving propeller-based biplanes which could more easily tolerate subpar flying and landing on rough airstrips. Early M-15s suffered from extreme abuse, and couldn’t ever get the maintenance that they needed afterward. Predictably, this led to even more time spent on the deck rather than dusting the crops.
Far too late, civil aviation authorities recognized that transitioning to using the M-15 would require a substantial amount of re-education of the agricultural pilots. Early exposure to the M-15 proved that many immediately pilots picked up on the plane’s weaknesses in comparison to the less sophisticated planes they were used to. The M-15 handled worse than the politically “obsolete” AN-2 and didn’t offer substantially increased payload capacity or range. On the occasions that it was able to do its job, the M-15 was an expensive, loud, and over-engineered crop duster that was subject to constant comparison to its superior predecessor.
The Long Tail of the Belphegor
175 PZL M-15s were produced out of a total of 30,000 planned. It’s quite surprising that there were as many produced; the M-15 was panned for all of the aforementioned reasons well before leaving the prototype stage. Unfortunately, it appears politics came before effective jet design and then forced an ineffective jet to dust the crops for years out of stubbornness.
Bizarrely, as the M-15’s production run dragged on, more and more AN-2s were ordered and adopted for the crop dusting role. The M-15 had its lunch eaten by the very aircraft that it was intended to replace, and eventually, production stopped in recognition of this.
The PZL M-15 Belphegor is remembered fondly in Eastern Europe despite its abysmal performance record. In front of many Eastern European airports, decommissioned M-15s are left as living testaments to the reach of the Soviet age’s agricultural reforms. It’s unclear whether there are any M-15s still in operation today, but it’s extremely likely that there are AN-2s.>https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8b8e0c7983392ee33e7e270642087733-lq
Over 2 Ostfriese!:salute:
Catfish
11-10-23, 03:42 PM
Would not have found this one. First I thought of some seaplane, then a chopper, then a biplane, but still.. with a jet??
Nice find ! :haha: :up:
Aktungbby
11-10-23, 04:55 PM
Would not have found this one. First I thought of some seaplane, then a chopper, then a biplane, but still.. with a jet??
Nice find ! :haha: :up:Precisely why I posted it!:yeah::arrgh!::Kaleun_Thumbs_Up::Kaleun_Goofy: :Kaleun_Party:
Ostfriese
11-11-23, 01:22 AM
I admit I got lucky here. The strut in Aktung's pucture made me think of an Antonov aircraft (An-28), but it didn't fit. While looking for derivates I stumbled over a picture of the M-15.
A jet-powered biplane cropduster. Let that sink in :k_confused:
Anyway, for the next round I'd like you to tell me who ol' blue eyes might be:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13362
Aktungbby
11-11-23, 02:08 AM
German?
Ostfriese
11-11-23, 02:15 AM
German?
^No.
Aktungbby
11-11-23, 02:25 AM
male?
Ostfriese
11-11-23, 02:29 AM
male?
He is indeed.
Jimbuna
11-11-23, 06:35 AM
American?
Ostfriese
11-11-23, 07:25 AM
American?
He holds American citizenship, but as a dual citizenship. Originally he is not from the US. As far as I know he doesn't live in the US.
Jimbuna
11-11-23, 10:02 AM
Politician?
Ostfriese
11-11-23, 11:32 AM
Politician?
^No.
Ostfriese
11-11-23, 11:41 AM
Actor ?
Markus
Yes.
Jimbuna
11-11-23, 11:56 AM
Jim Carrey?
Ostfriese
11-11-23, 12:06 PM
Jim Carrey?
No.
(Jim Carrey has hazel eyes).
Aktungbby
11-11-23, 12:48 PM
still living?
Ostfriese
11-11-23, 12:57 PM
Yes to both, he is European and he is still alive.
Does he have a British and an American citizenship ?
Markus
Ostfriese
11-11-23, 01:39 PM
Does he have a British and an American citizenship ?
Markus
^No.
Aktungbby
11-11-23, 01:44 PM
Brian Caspe?
Ostfriese
11-11-23, 02:12 PM
Brian Caspe?
Never heard about him, so: no, sorry.
Aktungbby
11-12-23, 12:22 AM
Anyway, for the next round I'd like you to tell me who ol' blue eyes might be:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13362 Frank Sinatra Jr. ?:D
Ostfriese
11-12-23, 01:48 AM
Frank Sinatra Jr. ?:D
No (Sinatra was American). The person in question was not born in the US. He received US-citizenship as an adult.
Additional hint: the actor is sill alive, but he isn't young. He made his debut in the 1950s (cinema), and his most recent appearance acting a role was in 2022 (TV). From the late 1960s to the early 1980s he was in his prime.
Jimbuna
11-12-23, 04:30 AM
Retired from acting?
Ostfriese
11-12-23, 04:42 AM
Retired from acting?
He has not announced his retirement from acting, and he's planning another movie.
Aktungbby
11-12-23, 11:29 AM
Mario Girotti who holds German' Italian' and American citizenship?https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Terence_Hill_in_Dresden_%2820.08.2018%29.jpg/330px-Terence_Hill_in_Dresden_%2820.08.2018%29.jpg:yeah:
Ostfriese
11-12-23, 11:49 AM
YES!
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13364
Mario Girotti, much better known as "Terence Hill"
Famous in Europe for his Spaghetti westerns of the 1960s and -of course- for his movies together with Bud Spencer.
Over to Aktung
Jimbuna
11-12-23, 11:50 AM
Love him in the westerns.
AWW I like him and his buddy Bud Spencer.
Seen almost every movie they have made.
And still I could not recognize him.
Markus
Aktungbby
11-12-23, 04:39 PM
What's this?https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=13365
Heinkel He-162A-2 Volksjager - Germany - Air Force
Markus
Aktungbby
11-12-23, 08:15 PM
it is indeed! over to U!:salute: https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NASM-2000-9364&max=900 The original armament, two 30 mm MK 108 cannons, was also too heavy for the small airframe, so Heinkel substituted two 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, creating the He 162 A-2 variant.https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NASM-A19600321000_AER01&max=900
What is this ?
What was it used for ?
https://i.imgur.com/C0classm.jpg
Markus
Jimbuna
11-13-23, 07:49 AM
A Voltmeter?
No it's not a voltmeter
However Volt was used.
Markus
Jimbuna
11-13-23, 11:56 AM
Military use?
No not what I know They could perhaps have used the result.
Markus
Jimbuna
11-13-23, 12:23 PM
So, civilian use?
Yes it was used for civilian purpose
Hint:
Think psychology
Markus
Jimbuna
11-13-23, 12:53 PM
Measuring the current/wavelength into peoples skulls?
No this apparatus was used for one purpose well build for this.
Hint:
This electrical equipment is famous
Markus
Jimbuna
11-13-23, 01:05 PM
Milgram experiment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Indeed it is- Over to you :salute:
Markus
Jimbuna
11-13-23, 01:22 PM
An easy one.
What and where is this?
https://i.postimg.cc/7bvFRxMr/gggg.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Catfish
11-13-23, 01:29 PM
in Scotland?
A castle in Scotland ?
Markus
Jimbuna
11-13-23, 01:40 PM
in Scotland?
Not Scotland.
Jimbuna
11-13-23, 01:40 PM
A castle in Scotland ?
Markus
It is a castle.
Aktungbby
11-13-23, 02:31 PM
Wales?
Ostfriese
11-13-23, 04:21 PM
Warwick Castle?
Jimbuna
11-14-23, 04:47 AM
Wales?
Sure is.
Jimbuna
11-14-23, 04:49 AM
Warwick Castle?
Not Warwick, further west.
Ostfriese
11-14-23, 08:03 AM
Caerphilly Castle?
Jimbuna
11-14-23, 09:13 AM
Getting closer.
Aktungbby
11-14-23, 11:26 AM
well...:hmmm: now that I've led Ostifriese to the 'promised land':shucks:...built by Edward I?
Jimbuna
11-14-23, 11:33 AM
Affirmative.
Aktungbby
11-14-23, 11:42 AM
Conwy castle?https://www.castlewales.com/conwy01.jpg
Jimbuna
11-14-23, 11:43 AM
That's the one :yep:
Over to you :salute:
Aktungbby
11-14-23, 01:52 PM
...so much for leading Ostfriese to the promised land??!:O:What's this gizmo?https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=13371
Jimbuna
11-14-23, 02:15 PM
A thermoacoustic Stirling generator?
Catfish
11-14-23, 02:51 PM
A thermoacoustic Stirling generator?
WHAT? :o
Seems you are right :D
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/11/breakthrough-thermoacoustic-stirling-generator-converts-to-energy-with-no-moving-parts.html
I have always believed in the future of stirling engines, I just was not prepared for something like this. This may revolutionize the world's energy problems.
Aktungbby
11-14-23, 03:30 PM
Jimbuna's got it! I just read about it myself yesterday and that it is to be used on Chinese submarines...& this being a :subsim: forum; what better puzzle??!!:yeah::arrgh!::roll:
Jimbuna
11-15-23, 04:10 AM
What and where is this?
https://i.postimg.cc/8zn3rWtc/blob.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Ostfriese
11-15-23, 05:36 AM
It‘s very small, and it‘s in a galaxy far, far away.
Jimbuna
11-15-23, 06:50 AM
Not space related.
Ostfriese
11-16-23, 04:47 AM
I don't have the slightest idea. A building, perhaps?
Jimbuna
11-16-23, 04:57 AM
A building yes.
I enlarged the picture to double the size and one of my search engines identifies it successfully.
Aktungbby
11-16-23, 11:29 AM
a temple?
Jimbuna
11-16-23, 01:34 PM
There is a temple within the grounds.
Aktungbby
11-16-23, 07:48 PM
Along the Malabar coast?
Jimbuna
11-17-23, 05:49 AM
Afraid not but I have been in the area before.
Aktungbby
11-17-23, 11:58 AM
...without trousers as I recollect!:O:
Jimbuna
11-17-23, 12:03 PM
Not guilty m'lord
Aktungbby
11-17-23, 12:14 PM
in Asia?
Jimbuna
11-17-23, 12:33 PM
Most definitely.
Exocet25fr
11-17-23, 01:31 PM
I visited this Palace in the Thaï capital city during the Vietnam war........!:)
A clue: The temple inside has a gemstone in its name.....!:03:
Catfish
11-17-23, 03:09 PM
^ well you already said it.
Aktungbby
11-17-23, 03:58 PM
the Grand Palace?
Catfish
11-17-23, 05:49 PM
^ oh please, don't you have any shame? :O:
Jimbuna
11-18-23, 05:52 AM
the Grand Palace?
I've reinstated the post of the shameless one because it is indeed The Grand Palace :)
https://i.postimg.cc/vBWFPYQF/26-grand-palace-bangkok-getty.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Aktungbby
11-18-23, 01:34 PM
^ oh please, don't you have any shame? :O:That's what my wife says...every night!:timeout::shucks:...I'll have something shortly as it's been a rough 24 hours. Upon returning from a whisky tasting at the lass's musum, The shower backed up, causing both bathrooms to completly flood. Finding an emergency plumber at 11:00 PM is brutal; so I Wet-vacqued the 6+ gallons of filth myself, carefully with the electic cord in standing water near plumbing, and walked it down the block, shamelessly barefoot in my skivvies in the atmospheric river's drizzel to the curb-sewer grate to pour it out. The Roto-Rooter man finally showed up around midnight and snaked out the sewer pipe...$400 plus gratuity...this on top of an earlier $600 visit to the vet for my 15 year-old sneezing cat; and the $400 for the charitable whisky tickets. But being a true :subsim:er with a smelly cat, peaty Isla whisky, and two stenched-out bathrooms, :Kaleun_Sick: following several hours of scrubbing, I have a much clearer idea of what befell the U-1206... :k_confused::oops::dead: Thank God for the atmospheric river currently afflicting California; Mein Sheissen is halfway to the Napa River by now:ping::ping::ping:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-1206
Aktungbby
11-18-23, 02:36 PM
At first, with Jimbunas's response I thought Exocet25fr had won it; but then realized it hadn't been properly named so I shamelessly moved in for the score!:doh: Shortly: What's this?https://subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=13376
Exocet25fr
11-18-23, 02:48 PM
Shortly ? ok!
F..x R....r – S.g S...r P3.0 ?
Aktungbby
11-18-23, 06:24 PM
Close but no cigar!
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