Who / What / Where Game Part 2

[Aktungbby]

That's the one! Over 2 U!:up:

[Catfish]

I had the plane quite quickly, but in dark blue. Found no yellow 'real' photo, only some plastic kit that helped ... :)


ok what is this?

https://i.imgur.com/YOlu85qm.jpg

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Temco_TT-1_Pinto_in_flight_%28colour%29_c1957.jpeg/1280px-Temco_TT-1_Pinto_in_flight_%28colour%29_c1957.jpeg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Temco_TT-1_Pinto_head-on_view.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temco_TT_Pinto :Kaleun_Goofy:

[Jimbuna]

German?

[Ostfriese]

Bf 110?

[Catfish]

Not german, so no Me 110.

[Aktungbby]

'Merikan?

[Catfish]

Not american.

[mapuc]

European ?

Markus

[Catfish]

According to the United Nations classification it is placed partly in the European continent. While much of its territory lies in Asia, most of its people reside in Europe.
Ethically and politically it does not belong to Europe, especially recent events have made this quite clear.
Hint: Russian.

[Aktungbby]

Yermoleav Yer 2 bomber?

[Ostfriese]

Yermoleav Yer 2 bomber?


Would have been my guess, too, but the Yer 2's stabilizers are rounded, while those in the picture are not.

[Aktungbby]

YER right!:O:

[Catfish]

Yermoleav Yer 2 bomber?
Nope, not a Yermoleav. But a bomber it is.

[Aktungbby]

two-man crew?

[Catfish]

Yes, two men afaik

[Aktungbby]

dive-bomber?

[Catfish]

Afaik it was never actually used as a bomber, but intended as such. By construction it was not intended for dive-bombing. There was also the idea to use a version of it for low-strafing runs with MGs firing down and backwards, but nothing came of it.
It was an unusual plane, very advanced and maybe too much for the time.
Hint: They say there could have been two versions but any info speaks of one plane, changed and improved over time.

[Aktungbby]

down and backwards, WELL, if you have a pilot and down and rear gunners then how is it a 2 man crew?!!

[Catfish]

WELL, if you have a pilot and down and rear gunners then how is it a 2 man crew?!!
As I said nothing came by it.
The second person would aim and release the bombs, in the other proposed version he would have operated the guns.

[Ostfriese]

Sukhoi Su-8?

[Aktungbby]

ok what is this?

https://i.imgur.com/YOlu85qm.jpg

Would have been my guess, too, but the Yer 2's stabilizers are rounded, while those in the picture are not.

Sukhoi Su-8? https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/35af4315-3252-47c7-a782-772b9ed5012c/deypk0m-24b3e039-8889-4e48-97de-111719bd7e5b.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJ IUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQz NzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZT BkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6 W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzM1YWY0MzE1LTMyNTItNDdjNy1hNz gyLTc3MmI5ZWQ1MDEyY1wvZGV5cGswbS0yNGIzZTAzOS04ODg5 LTRlNDgtOTdkZS0xMTE3MTliZDdlNWIuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIj pbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.K_f5_PpL D8u8xbutGCAGBgpRMe80bFG2PxuJ935oRFk http://www.livingwarbirds.com/images/1-oldimages/300px-Sukhoi_Su-8.jpg I saw this also. Methinks the stablizers are still too rounded:hmmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zJmJTyFkJo

[Ostfriese]

I'd say you are right, so I'll retract my previous guess and make another one:
Bolkhovitinov S (Sparka)

[Aktungbby]

that's it!:salute:...no doubt you found it under "tandem engine/countervaling propeller" commie discontinued bombers!:D https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bolkhovitinov-s-2m-103-rear.jpg?w=625&h=229 https://oldmachinepress.com/2013/05/24/bolkhovitinov-s-2m-103-sparka/

[Catfish]

That is it, the Bolkhovitinov S (Sparka)!
Two- engined experimental bomber.
Sorry for being late and Happy New Year!

Over to Ostfriese :)

[Ostfriese]

I'll put up something later today.

[Ostfriese]

Allright, what is this and -more importantly- where is it?


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13397

[Aktungbby]

a statue?

[Ostfriese]

a statue?


Yes.

[Aktungbby]

Moses comin' down from Sinii with commandments?:O:

[Ostfriese]

Moses comin' down from Sinii with commandments?:O:
Well, no.

[Aktungbby]

in Germany?

[Ostfriese]

in Germany?


Nope.

[mapuc]

Standing at some University ?

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Standing at some University ?

Markus


No, not at a university.

[Aktungbby]

in Europe?

[Ostfriese]

in Europe?


This one is, but there are others that look the same, and at least one of them is outside of Europe.

[Aktungbby]

by
"Look the same", do you mean identical?

[Ostfriese]

by
"Look the same", do you mean identical?


Different scales (so "proportions" are correct, but overall sizes are different), but otherwise very similar (I don't know whether they are perfectly identical, but they are pretty close).

[Aktungbby]

of a man?

[Jimbuna]

Lincoln statue?

[Ostfriese]

of a man?


No, definitely a woman. A lady, even. Which means it's not Lincoln, either.

[mapuc]

Has this woman received a Nobel Price ?

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Has this woman received a Nobel Price ?

Markus


No.
(I have to add that not every woman I mention has something to do with sciences :D )

[Jimbuna]

Famous?

[mapuc]

No.
(I have to add that not every woman I mention has something to do with sciences :D )

There is two section which hasn't anything to do with Science-Litteratur and peace.

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Famous?


The statue? This one is not the most famous representation of that woman.


The woman? This is much more difficult to answer. I'd bet that everyone will immediately recognise her if he/she sees the full picture, but most of us wouldn't know her real name without resorting to google or wikipedia.

[Ostfriese]

There is two section which hasn't anything to do with Science-Litteratur and peace.

Markus


I'm aware of that :up:

[Jimbuna]

Scholar?

[Ostfriese]

Scholar?


^No.

[Jimbuna]

Lady Justice?

[Ostfriese]

Lady Justice?


Much closer than any other guess, but still not the correct one.

[mapuc]

Is these statues based on a real person ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Sited on the inner steps of law courts?

[Ostfriese]

Is these statues based on a real person ?

Markus


No, although I might have been thrown to the lions if I had said that at the wrong time.

[Ostfriese]

Sited on the inner steps of law courts?


I'd be surprised if that was the case, but I cannot rule it out entirely. The one in the picture definitely isn't. Neither is the most famous version.

[mapuc]

Statue of Liberty ?

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Statue of Liberty ?

Markus


Yes, a statue of Libertas, Roman Goddess of Liberty. But which one (quite obviously it's not the one in New York)?

[Jimbuna]

Could be one of many places.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&insightstoken=bcid_qEI-0yFY1YIGdH75R-h4Jg-FuUU0.....94*ccid_Qj7TIVjV&form=ANCMS1&iss=SBIUPLOADGET&selectedindex=0&id=1983310915&ccid=Qj7TIVjV&exph=600&expw=373&vt=2&sim=11

Rome?

[Ostfriese]

Could be one of many places.


That's correct, and it needs to be narrowed down. The one I'm looking for was designed by the same sculptor as the one in New York and actually served as model for the latter.


It's not in Rome.

[Jimbuna]

Paris?

[Ostfriese]

Paris?


Yes - but which of the about six there?

[Aktungbby]

Jardin du Luxumbourgh?

[Ostfriese]

Jardin du Luxumbourgh?


Nope.

[Aktungbby]

https://www.parisinsidersguide.com/image-files/xarts-et-metiers-statue-of-liberty-2012-03-11-mc-800-2x1.jpg.pagespeed.ic.ZmeI9adGbY.webp The Musée des Arts & Metiers,

[Ostfriese]

It's the correct answer, even though it's not the one in the picture (that Replica of the Statue of Liberty is no longer at that place), but the plaster statue inside:


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13398


Over to Aktung, and credit to Marcus who paved the way :Kaleun_Salute:

[Aktungbby]

Egad! I posted that shot-in -the-darkwise...I'll have something shortly...kudos to the Dane and the Geordi. :salute: The 'Paris' and 'statue of liberty' clues got my schnozz on track. I never knew there was more than one!:hmmm:

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What's this:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=13399

[Jimbuna]

Eclipse 500 lightjet ?

[Aktungbby]

nope

[Jimbuna]

Cessna’s T-37 ?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/the-little-engine-that-couldnt-6865253/

[Aktungbby]

yup!:salute: over 2 U!

[Jimbuna]

What is this?

https://i.postimg.cc/Y92pQvxd/1111.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

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a mechanical gizmo?

[Jimbuna]

There will be mechanical components I should imagine.

[Aktungbby]

is there an engine?

[Jimbuna]

Oh yes.

[Ostfriese]

Part of a locomotive?

[Jimbuna]

Not a locomotive.

CLUE: Military in nature.

[Aktungbby]

with treads?

[Jimbuna]

No treads.

[Aktungbby]

6 tyres?

[Jimbuna]

I think that would depend on method of transportation.

[Ostfriese]

Which translates to "it is not mobile by itself", correct?

[Jimbuna]

It is when launched.

[Ostfriese]

A depth charge on its launcher?

[Jimbuna]

Not a depth charge.

[Aktungbby]

A U-2?

[Jimbuna]

Not an aeroplane.

[Aktungbby]

Geeze! I meant V-2:oops:

[Jimbuna]

V-2 is closer than U-2

[Aktungbby]

V 1 'doodlebug'?

[Jimbuna]

Much later.

[Aktungbby]

British?

[Jimbuna]

Further east.

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German?

[Jimbuna]

Further east.

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Russian?

[Jimbuna]

South.

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Iranian?

[Jimbuna]

Further east.

[Aktungbby]

pakistan?

[Jimbuna]

Sure is.

[Aktungbby]

...thank god! I've led Ostfriese to the promised land:yeah:...a nuclear missile, aimed at India?

[Jimbuna]

Close but no cigar.

[Aktungbby]

Plain old Pakistani medium range ballistic missile?

[Jimbuna]

Still in use today.

[Aktungbby]

Shaheen III?

[Jimbuna]

Wrong one.

[Eichhörnchen]

Ghaznavi missile?

[Aktungbby]

I knew if I waited long enough you'd bump it!:yep::arrgh!:

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/DT4x02p.jpeg Eichhörnchenkraft!

[Jimbuna]

Closest yet.

[Eichhörnchen]

Abdali missile?

[Jimbuna]

Afraid not :)

CLUE: Still in service today and they don't have all that many different types.

[Eichhörnchen]

Nasr missile?

[Jimbuna]

Nope :)

[Eichhörnchen]

Ghauri missile?

[Jimbuna]

Sooooo very near :)

[Aktungbby]

has ever landed in India?:D

[Jimbuna]

Honestly couldn't say for certain but I'd have thought doubtful.

CLUE: Glynn is barking up the right tree.

[Eichhörnchen]

Ababeel missile ?

[Jimbuna]

Nooooo :/\\!!

[Aktungbby]

to reriterate: it is a midrange missle?

[Eichhörnchen]

I've just about run out of medium range Pakistani missiles - unless they've got their own 'Agris', which I doubt

[Jimbuna]

to reriterate: it is a midrange missle?

It is not 'midrange'

[Jimbuna]

I've just about run out of medium range Pakistani missiles - unless they've got their own 'Agris', which I doubt

See previous answer above.
CLUE: Developed in the 80's and still in service today.

[Aktungbby]

Plain old Pakistani medium range ballistic missile?

Still in use today.

to reiterate: it is a midrange missle?

It is not 'midrange'my confusion arises from your not having definitively said: "not midrange" from my first post above...:timeout::shucks::wah:

[Jimbuna]

Now watch my lips very carefully....IT IS NOT CLASSED AS A MIDRANGE MISSILE

Have you taken your medication today? :)

[Aktungbby]

...all five of them!:D a Hatf missile?

[Jimbuna]

Which one?

[Eichhörnchen]

Hatf 1

[Catfish]

^ please god let this be the right one!!

[Aktungbby]

please god... in this case imho, it would be correct to say: "please Allah" (it's a moslem missile) :O: I meant the hatf 1 but forgot to add it...so bonetoss to Eich!:arrgh!: :shucks::k_confused:

[Jimbuna]

Hatf 1

We have a winner :yeah:

https://i.postimg.cc/dt4LTNMZ/Hatf-1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/hatf-1/

Over to you sir :salute:

[Jimbuna]

^ please god let this be the right one!!

And so it came to pass :)

... in this case imho, it would be correct to say: "please Allah" (it's a moslem missile) :O: I meant the hatf 1 but forgot to add it...so bonetoss to Eich!:arrgh!: :shucks::k_confused:

:D

[Ostfriese]

This one has dragged on for a month. May the next one be quicker :)

[Jimbuna]

Could have been over a lot quicker but for the lack of a correct answer :O:

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/pvIp5iw.jpeg Chew on this one then

[Aktungbby]

pre-WWII?

[Eichhörnchen]

I'd say most likely post war

I'll update with new pics so it doesn't drag on, since when I first saw this photo I suspected it might even have been faked. However, having found it under discussion on an internet forum I believe it to be genuine - although there was no useful info given in that discussion other than "I'd love one of those" &c.

So there'll probably be quite a few questions I can't answer, above describing what it looks like

[Jimbuna]

Military use?

[Eichhörnchen]

I'd say definitely not

[Aktungbby]

british?

[mapuc]

Has it something to do with snow ?

Markus

[Eichhörnchen]

@ Aktung - I'd say definitely not

@ Markus - not specifically snow, just any difficult terrain conditions

[Ostfriese]

An agricultural vehicle?

[Aktungbby]

a 'kettenkrad' treaded motorcycle??] https://static9.depositphotos.com/1685868/1192/i/950/depositphotos_11929172-stock-photo-kettenkrad.jpg

[Eichhörnchen]

@ Ostfriese - probably

@ Aktung - no

https://i.imgur.com/KMJD7Ov.jpeg A little bit more

[Jimbuna]

Caterpillar tractor?

[Eichhörnchen]

No, not a tractor

[Jimbuna]

A sheep shearer? :)

[Eichhörnchen]

Nope :haha:

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/mD1a3se.jpeg It appears to be towing a farm cart

[Aktungbby]

a german 'knockoff' conversion to civilan use?

[Eichhörnchen]

It would appear so - two famous pedigrees and you've already as good as identified one

[Aktungbby]

...the wheels and end sprocket are identicle!:hmmm:

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/xwmaDHZ.jpeg Not really - a different arrangement :)

[Catfish]

Babiole-Traktor, Beltring (GB)
?

[Eichhörnchen]

No not a tractor in the sense of a machine for labour on the land - but it's already been established that it can tow wagons. It appears to be a kind of 2 seater flatbed, so seemingly also used for carrying loads

https://i.imgur.com/bBmLnmZ.jpeg

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/zyR7AKy.jpeg Lengthened mirror for wide loads

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built by Volkswagon after its takeover of NSU Co. which had built the WWII military kettenkrad?

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/6Z90Il8.jpeg

I'm awarding it to you, Vinny, since I don't know just who contrived this thing; I had thought it might be some Heath-Robinson contraption built by a resourceful German farmer after the war - all guesswork. So you may well be right since you got both NSU and VW. Well done! :)

[Aktungbby]

Looks like a "one of"? but those are definately surplus kettenkrad road-wheels , with only four axels instead of 6. I tried following NSU's corporate history thru to its becoming present-day Audi, and couldn't find a damn thing?!! My NSU/Volkwagen response was a pure "shot in the dark"; I'll post sumpin' shortly:Kaleun_Salute:

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What's this? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=13436

[Jimbuna]

Douglas Skypirate?

[Aktungbby]

'tis! Over 2 U!:salute:

[Jimbuna]

Okay then what is this?

https://i.postimg.cc/k4Y9LmMx/xxxxx.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

A jet aircraft?:hmmm::shucks:

[Jimbuna]

Sure is.

[Aktungbby]

german?

[Catfish]

Russian?

[Jimbuna]

german?

Nein.

[Jimbuna]

Russian?

Developed from a Russian aircraft.

[Ostfriese]

Chinese?

[Jimbuna]

Chinese?

In origin yes but my picture shows it in service with another country.

[Ostfriese]

A Chengdu J-7, a MiG 21 copy? Probalby Iranian, maybe Nigerian.

[Aktungbby]

maybe Nigerian.Ibo, Yuruba, or Basso?:D

[Jimbuna]

A Chengdu J-7, a MiG 21 copy? Probalby Iranian, maybe Nigerian.

None of those unfortunately.

[Jimbuna]

Ibo, Yuruba, or Basso?:D

Eh? :hmmm:

[Ostfriese]

A j-6 then, MiG-19 copy?

[Jimbuna]

Indeed but which country/user?

[Aktungbby]

Bangladesh Air Force?

[Jimbuna]

Afraid not :)

[Aktungbby]

Not Pakistani!:k_confused:

[Jimbuna]

No :D

[Ostfriese]

North Korean?

[Jimbuna]

North Korean?

Spot on :up:

https://i.postimg.cc/9XqzZh3q/ccccc.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Z04TzX5T)

Over to you :salute:

[Ostfriese]

Yay! Will put up something tomorrow.

[Ostfriese]

Right, you guys, what's this?


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13437

[Aktungbby]

it's a vessel?

[Ostfriese]

it's a vessel?


Obviously so, but which one precisely?

[Jimbuna]

Military?

[Ostfriese]

Yes.

[Jimbuna]

Royal Navy?

[Ostfriese]

No, so no HMS prefix.

[Jimbuna]

USS perhaps?

[Ostfriese]

USS perhaps?


Yeah!

[Jimbuna]

Cruiser?

[Ostfriese]

Cruiser?


^No.

[Jimbuna]

Larger than a cruiser?

[Ostfriese]

Larger than a cruiser?


More or less the same size, depending on the cruiser class you use as a comparison.

[Aktungbby]

classed as a "BB"?

[Ostfriese]

classed as a "BB"?


Nope.

[Aktungbby]

so not a cruiser nor a battleship?

[Ostfriese]

so not a cruiser nor a battleship?


Confirmation: neither cruiser nor battleship.

[Aktungbby]

part of great white fleet?

[Ostfriese]

part of great white fleet?


No, later.

[Aktungbby]

a destroyer?

[Ostfriese]

a destroyer?


Not a destroyer. It was larger than the destroyers of its time, but smaller than modern destroyers (Arleigh Burke class destroyers are longer and have a higher displacement).

[Jimbuna]

Frigate?

[Ostfriese]

Frigate?
Larger than a frigate.



Additional hint, as this seems to go in the wrong direction: at first glance it clearly seems to be a certain type of warship. If you mentioned that specific type I would answer "yes, but...", because this vessel was rather unusual in several regards.

[Jimbuna]

WWII era?

[Ostfriese]

WWII era?


Yes

[Jimbuna]

Submarine tender?

[Ostfriese]

Submarine tender?


Sorry, no.

[Aktungbby]

a 'one of' ?

[Ostfriese]

a 'one of' ?


No, there was a second of its kind (but not of the same class).

[Aktungbby]

wooden hulled?

[Ostfriese]

wooden hulled?Likely not, though I'm not entirely sure.


I think it would have been mentioned if the hull had been made of wood, but none of the sources I looked at says anything about it. If the hull had been made of wood it would very likely have been one of the largest wooden-hulled ships ever, so I'd say it wasn't wooden hulled.

[Aktungbby]

armed?

[Ostfriese]

armed?


No.

[Aktungbby]

sunk at Pearl Harbor?

[Ostfriese]

sunk at Pearl Harbor?


No, so not USS Utah :)

[Jimbuna]

Hospital ship?

[Ostfriese]

Hospital ship?


Nope.



Additional clarification: it strongly resembles a typical warship of WWII, only if you look closer you'll notice differences. Being unarmed is just one of them.

[Aktungbby]

USS Oglala?

[Ostfriese]

USS Oglala?


Wasn't USS Oglala sunk at Pearl Harbor? It's not USS Oglala.


Another hint: you have mentioned a lot of ship types already, but you have so far missed a very important one.

[Jimbuna]

USS Quartz?

[Ostfriese]

USS Quartz?


Not that much displacement.

[Ostfriese]

Here's a slightly wider picture:


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13442

[Aktungbby]

USED in WWII?

[Ostfriese]

USED in WWII?


It was used excessively during WWII, yes.

[Aktungbby]

Did it serve in the Atlantic?

[Ostfriese]

Did it serve in the Atlantic?


No. Even less, the ship in question never steamed on the Atlantic ocean, not even an inch.

[Aktungbby]

so it served in the Pacific?

[Ostfriese]

so it served in the Pacific?

It didn‘t serve in the Pacific, either, and also never entered the Pacific.

[mapuc]

Did it sail in some of the huge lakes like Ontario ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Sailed mostly in rivers?

[Ostfriese]

Did it sail in some of the huge lakes like Ontario ?

Markus


It did indeed. Not in Lake Ontario, but in one of the other Great Lakes


@Jim: not in rivers, though

[Aktungbby]

Was it a USS or USNS vessel?

[Ostfriese]

Was it a USS or USNS vessel?


Definitely USS.

[Aktungbby]

usedon more than 1 great lake?

[Ostfriese]

usedon more than 1 great lake?


As far as I know only on Lake Michigan.

[Jimbuna]

USS Wolverine?

[Ostfriese]

USS Wolverine?


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1443&pictureid=13443


That's the one (classification IX-64)



One of the two training ships used to train pilots and flight deck personell (the other one was USS Sable, IX-81).
The two ships were converted from paddle-wheel steamers and thus became the only freshwater, coal-powered and paddle-wheeled aircraft carriers. Based in Chicago, the ships trained more than 17,000 carrier pilots far away from enemy mines and submarines.

[Jimbuna]

Okay then, put a name to this.

https://i.postimg.cc/9FLSFkWg/ggjjhggbnf.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

hms vessel?

[Jimbuna]

Sure is.

[Aktungbby]

does it submerge?