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Skybird

10-31-20, 11:51 AM

Every anti-social brutal egoist out there, liking to ridicule or to deny the pandemic and ignore elemental rules of social respect and "non-harming" - listen up.

The following is the translation of German nurse posting on Facebook. Not the first nurse doing this, and hopefully not the last. She is so very right.

https://www.facebook.com/ellen.hustig/posts/2849935438621887

I am so infinitely tired, sad, powerless and meanwhile also angry and disappointed ...
Tired because the workload is increasing, staff is absent and I have the feeling that I can no longer do justice to every patient. Powerless because I am slowly admitting that the whole situation is now gnawing at my own substance. We don't have a break on many days, this week I didn't eat for the first time every day until around 4 p.m. I also have previous illnesses, but nobody asks us about them, or is therefore allowed to work from the home office. Despite my asthma, I wear my mask at least 12 hours a day while others demonstrate, because they see their freedom rights being deprived of having to wear the mask for half an hour while shopping! We have to function, we are needed and are systemically relevant .... in the spring the government spat big noises and there was clapping for us on the balconies - even then I laughed at how ridiculous it is and that not even in six months nobody would give anything for it anymore. And so it happened!

I'm annoyed by the constant discussions about Corona, or the unspeakable joke and joke pictures in many timelines! There is denied what the stuff is and made fun of people who have no idea about medicine, because even seasoned virologists have had to learn and research a lot of new things in the last year. And NO, it's not just flu, because the course of the disease is much more complex and, in the case of a difficult or dramatic course of the disease, damages several organs and often irreparably. Affected patients suffer from long-term effects for months, and it's not just the old patients!

This unacceptable behavior of many people makes me angry. When shopping, they stand on your neck, some people still use public transport without a mask. It feels like a hundred times a day I ask patients to pull their MNS over their mouth and nose, disinfect their hands when entering the clinic, keep my distance, etc. I don't damn well have to justify myself for these obvious things!

I wish I could take a deep breath for two weeks just to recharge my batteries, but it's not the time for vacation right now. We have already canceled our vacation three times this year, although we urgently needed it! But anyone who drives from one federal state to the next from risk areas during this time need not be surprised if the red on the RKI map is getting more and more!

I have a big wish, may our economy keep running, all companies, hotels, restaurants get through the crisis well, very important to me - art and culture - with all their self-employed people in front of and behind the stage who have been banned from working for months and none Earn cents, or have to support their families with short-time work benefits, should they be lucky enough to be employed, hold on and don't give up!

If we ALL try something, stick together, continue to give up a little, help each other and take care of each other, then we will survive this and hopefully get out of it well!

I wish you all health and strength for the next weeks and months ♥ ️ and remember:
La vita e bella cosi come ‘- even now in this ****ty time! ��

Catfish

10-31-20, 11:51 AM

^^ @Rockstar One of the problems is we only learn weeks later if a method was successful, or not. Fact is infection numbers are getting higher.

Skybird

10-31-20, 12:00 PM

And infected people can - and do - infect others even if not forming symptoms themselves. But those they infect each of them has to pull a number in the big lottery.

Jimbuna

10-31-20, 12:01 PM

Boris Johnson is due to hold a news conference from Downing Street shortly.

It is expected that he will outline a new month-long lockdown across England - to try to keep the levels of coronavirus under control.

He will be joined by the UK's chief medical adviser Chris Whitty and chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance.

It is thought that schools and universities will be kept open throughout this new measure, unlike in the lockdown earlier this year.

One model, seen by the government, forecasts 4,000 deaths a day if no action is taken.

Over the past seven days, the UK has averaged almost 23,000 new cases a day, and 237 deaths with coronavirus.

Jimbuna

10-31-20, 12:05 PM

A further 326 Covid-related deaths have been announced in the UK.

It brings the official UK death toll to 46,555, according to government figures.

Another 21,915 cases have also been recorded, bringing the total number of cases since the pandemic began to 1,011,660.

https://i.postimg.cc/bvkXwknK/90be4efd-a971-4bf7-ab3d-fa97c4882dba.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Rockstar

10-31-20, 01:45 PM

^^ @Rockstar One of the problems is we only learn weeks later if a method was successful, or not. Fact is infection numbers are getting higher.

Even our own numbers point to that. But we are also testing on a massive scale which I think helps realize the true nature of the spread. As for the number of deaths over here at last look they seem to be dropping. Now that could either be because of the general health of those infected, changes in how we treat those infected, the virus is weakening, preventative measures in place OR that particular number just hasn't, for lack of better words, caught up to the increase in infections.

But like ya said that can all change next week. So wear your mask.

Jimbuna

11-01-20, 05:03 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxtddpoPMKo

Jimbuna

11-01-20, 05:12 AM

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Jimbuna

11-01-20, 08:01 AM

Admittedly not mine but what a friend posted on FB and I thought it good enough for a laugh in these trying times :)

“And because of this we must act now and enter a national lockdown” Boris Johnson.

Things I’ve learnt so far...

Supermarkets have an invisible force field that pubs and restaurants don’t have.

It could only get you before if you were in a group bigger than 6.

It was dormant til 22:00

It will know if you’re from a different household but it’s clever enough to know that if you’re in a support bubble it needs to chill the heck out and not mess with you.

Schools, no drama. I’m deadly but your mixing and then returning home is no worries. Just send ya kids to a place where kids are sent home to isolate everyday! Do not see those same class mates after school as if you don’t have ya blazer on it’s gonna notice.

It’s gonna have a few days off til Thursday though apparently so we can get prepared to be locked down. Proper sound of it that like :yep:

mapuc

11-01-20, 12:53 PM

I made a little mistake I posted a critic comment to a friends bulletin and today I can see I have been mocked.

I rest in the...something...that my friends and his friends has zero knowledge in Medicin and virology, who's main goal is to criticize the elected socialist government.

I'm also convinced most of them are only showing off on FB and do as recommended when away from FB.

Markus

Catfish

11-01-20, 04:10 PM

But your elected government is not socialist.

Skybird

11-01-20, 05:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxtddpoPMKo
Since it is so profound, some may ask what to read about vitamine d in generla in order to get a profound start. The names that I do know are relevant internationally in the researching of vitamine D, are Prof. Michael Holick from the US, Dr. Uwe Gröber from Germany (with whom he coauthored the best available "bible" on Vitamine D in german language), and Dr. Raimund von Helden from Germany.

Holick is medical doctor and biochemist. He is the discoverer of Calcidiol and Calcitriol, which are the so-called circulating and the activated forms of Vitamine D. His research focus always has been Vitamine D. - Uwe Gröber a doctor of pharmacology and one of Europe'sS leading experts on micro nutrients and their interaction with both physiological environments (body) and with medical drugs. He founded a research institute and has written many books, some targetting a laymen audience, some are meant for the students at universitity, and the heavyweight writings are for academical experts and insiders of the medical branches. He cooperates with many hospitals in research projects and is a much asked-for speaker on conferences. - Raimund von Helden is a practical doctor and was the first medical expert in the world who identified and described the Vitamine D deficiency syndrome a decade ago. Additional to his practice he runs several websites on vitamin-D related topics, and wrote books on it as well.

The book co-authored by Gröber and Holick, seems to be not available in English unfortunately, which is a shame, its extrenmely good. I have just red it this summer, and it really is the basis and fundament if you want to dive deeper into the topic while not being a medical insider expert well versed in medical terminology, its also robust in page numbers and weight :) .... This year has seen the fourth edition already, updated with the latest of the latest data at the time of print. First release was in 2013.

https://www.amazon.de/Vitamin-D-Die-Heilkraft-Sonnenvitamins/dp/3804738753/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3 %91&dchild=1&keywords=uwe+gr%C3%B6ber&qid=1604269722&s=books&sr=1-8

Anyway, you now have some names to get started with: Holick, van Helden, Gröber. They all three drove the cause for vitamine D over the past years. Holick has published in English as well, of course, but I do not buy or own these books. Also, many publications by him in medical journals.

Never take higher doses of Vit-D over logner time without Magnesium. K2 is good as well, but I recently learned and understood that it is not as important for the Calcium control, than the Magnesium is. I made a flawed mental concept there, but finally got it corrected. K2 is good, you can take it, but it is not as essential as previously claimed by me, Magnesium is more important, much more (for keeping an eye on Calcium when taking Vit D, that is).

Jimbuna

11-02-20, 06:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKI78fzBGD0

Jimbuna

11-02-20, 06:51 AM

Boris Johnson is due to address MPs about his plan for a new four-week lockdown across England from Thursday.

In his statement at about 15:30 GMT he will say without action, deaths could be twice as high over winter than they were in spring.

On Saturday the PM announced pubs, restaurants, gyms, non-essential shops and places of worship would be affected.

Several senior Tory MPs oppose the move but Labour says it will back a new lockdown.

Scotland's five-level system of Covid restrictions has come into force.

Wales' First Minister Mark Drakeford says the 17-day "firebreak" lockdown will end as planned on 9 November.

Jimbuna

11-02-20, 06:56 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/FFCySQrx/a8a44ad3-839d-4ced-9b83-653edca924b5.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The government announced 23,254 confirmed cases of Covid-19 on Sunday.

There were also 162 further deaths. Of those deaths, 132 were in England, 16 in Wales, eight in Northern Ireland and six in Scotland.

Coronavirus cases are rising quickly across large parts of England, with other spikes in areas of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

On Friday, the government said its estimate for the R number across the whole of the UK was 1.1-1.3.

skidman

11-02-20, 10:46 AM

Stanford study reveals Trump rallies have killed hundreds:

For the vast majority of these variants, our estimate of the average treatment effect across the eighteen events implies that they increased subsequent confirmed cases of COVID-19 by more than 250 per 100,000 residents. Extrapolating this figure to the entire sample, we conclude that these eighteen rallies ultimately resulted in more than 30,000 incremental confirmed cases of COVID-19. Applying county- specific post-event death rates, we conclude that the rallies likely led to more than 700 deaths (not necessarily among attendees).

https://sebotero.github.io/papers/COVIDrallies_10_30_2000.pdf

Jimbuna

11-02-20, 10:52 AM

Germany hasn’t suffered as much from coronavirus as some of its European neighbours, but now it is in “lockdown light” for at least a month.

The shutdown mainly affects catering, sports and entertainment. Food outlets can still provide takeaways, but social lives is taking a hit: 10 people maximum from two households can meet up in public. Small businesses can apply for state compensation for their losses.

Schools, shops and workplaces remain open - with Covid hygiene rules, of course. This lockdown isn’t as tough as those now in force in France and Belgium.

Those two countries have night curfews and shops can only sell essential goods. France requires its citizens to download permits - as in the March-April lockdown - to show why they are outdoors: for essential shopping, medical needs, school, work or limited exercise.

Belgium is among the worst-hit European countries. With a population of 11.5m it has seen more than 11,000 deaths and, in the past week, its new infections have averaged nearly 15,850 cases daily. Its hospitals are under severe strain.

Italy is also preparing tighter restrictions, to curb its rising infections, but there is resistance to any new national lockdown. The northern Lombardy region, including Milan, is the biggest hotspot.

Jimbuna

11-02-20, 12:15 PM

In pictures: Day of the Dead in Covid times https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-54778292

Jimbuna

11-02-20, 12:36 PM

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Rockstar

11-02-20, 12:52 PM

Current case fatality rates by country (Johns Hopkins University & Medicine)

U.K. 4.5%

U.S. 2.5%

Germany 1.9%

Belgium 2.7%

Russia 1.7%

Mexico 9.9%

Sweden 4.8%

Brazil 2.9%

Yemen 29.1%

Jimbuna

11-02-20, 01:09 PM

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Jimbuna

11-02-20, 01:20 PM

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Jimbuna

11-03-20, 05:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThxsLChJykc

Jimbuna

11-03-20, 05:46 AM

Liverpool is to take part in the first trial of city-wide coronavirus testing in England.

If the pilot is successful, the government says it could be rolled out to "millions" by Christmas.

Nicola Sturgeon has asked for clarity on whether the furlough scheme will be extended in Scotland beyond 2 December.

Michael Gove has apologised for wrongly suggesting that playing golf or tennis would be exempt from the new lockdown.

Sports coaches have criticised the decision to suspend all children's grassroots sport during England's new lockdown.

Universities and colleges in England face "significant funding shortfalls and heightened uncertainty", a report warns.

A new national lockdown has come into force in Austria, including a curfew between 20:00 and 06:00 and cafes and restaurants closing apart from for takeaway.

France reported a record 52,518 new Covid-19 cases on Monday – its worst daily figure – and another 418 deaths.

The World Health Organization’s emergencies chief, Dr Mike Ryan, has urged people to support governments trying to protect populations from coronavirus, saying European leaders in particular are facing a very difficult situation with limited options.

Jimbuna

11-03-20, 07:37 AM

There were 12,292 deaths registered in the UK in the week of 23 October.

The figures published by the Office for National Statistics are 11% above the expected level for this week, based on the average of the last five years.

Almost all of this “excess mortality” was accounted for by deaths involving Covid-19.

There were 1,126 deaths registered that week that mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate.

That figure is up nearly half on last week’s figure.

The weekly number of Covid-19 deaths has been doubling slightly faster than once a fortnight since its low point of 83 during the week of 4 September.

Most of the deaths registered between 17 and 23 October reflect infections that happened in September.

Since then, infections have risen substantially, so we should expect to see the number of deaths rise further in the weeks to come.

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MGR1

11-03-20, 10:59 AM

Nicola Sturgeon has asked for clarity on whether the furlough scheme will be extended in Scotland beyond 2 December.
Not just Sturgeon, but Douglas Ross, the leader of the Conservative Party's Scottish wing as well: “will he explain why it seems that an English job is more important than a Welsh, Northern Irish or Scottish one?” Mike.

Jimbuna

11-03-20, 11:46 AM

“will he explain why it seems that an English job is more important than a Welsh, Northern Irish or Scottish one?”

In the north of England that is also being asked of the south.

MGR1

11-03-20, 12:53 PM

I think it might be safe to say that the pandemic has shown just how much of a problem Home Counties Tories are when it comes to actually governing for the whole of the UK. They don't want to cough up money for anything that doesn't benefit them or their home patches directly.

Jimbuna

11-03-20, 02:20 PM

Agreed but in fairness the Home Counties accuse Labour of the exact same bias.

Catfish

11-03-20, 02:32 PM

Maybe, but even if Thatcher accidentally did some things right, do you think Scotland will ever forgive her?

edit: i just thought that the same can be said by some people from England respectively

Jimbuna

11-04-20, 06:12 AM

I actually admired Thatcher despite all her faults.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ-M0KEFm9I

Jimbuna

11-04-20, 06:26 AM

MPs will vote later on the government's month-long lockdown in England.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54804847

There could be up to fifteen Tories who will either abstain or vote against but it will be passed imho.

Jimbuna

11-04-20, 10:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z27M-ekXlbI

Jimbuna

11-04-20, 11:46 AM

England will enter a fresh month-long lockdown from tomorrow after MPs approved the new shutdown.

In a House of Commons vote, MPs supported the new coronavirus measures by 516 to 38, a majority of 478.

Skybird

11-04-20, 03:13 PM

Denmark is to cull all of its millions of minks, due to a virus mutation they show that can jump from the animal to humans. Denmark is the globe's biggest exporter of mink furs (I did not know that).

mapuc

11-04-20, 03:37 PM

Denmark is to cull all of its millions of minks, due to a virus mutation they show that can jump from the animal to humans. Denmark is the globe's biggest exporter of mink furs (I did not know that).

Which already has happened..Between 10 and 20 Danes from Northern Jutland has been infected by this mutated Corona virus.

As the Prime minister said on a press conference Denmark shall not be the country where a new mutated Corona virus has it's origin(Epicenter)

Markus

Jimbuna

11-05-20, 07:53 AM

A bit more on the mink cull here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54818615

Jimbuna

11-05-20, 07:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo53rojlp5Q

MGR1

11-05-20, 11:53 AM

Agreed but in fairness the Home Counties accuse Labour of the exact same bias.
Mainly because they didn't like their tax money being redistributed to areas not their own.
Maybe, but even if Thatcher accidentally did some things right, do you think Scotland will ever forgive her?

edit: i just thought that the same can be said by some people from England respectively
I dare say that the "Evil Witch" might be used by some to scare their children into behaving. Perhaps, perhaps not.
It could be argued that, although they occupy/occupied very different political spheres, Nicola Sturgeon is a Scottish equal and opposite reaction to Thatcher. In other words Sturgeon elicits the same revulsion in parts of England that Thatcher did in parts of Scotland for broadly similar reasons.

Mike.

Jimbuna

11-05-20, 12:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7O1U-ZSR0w

Jimbuna

11-05-20, 12:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6khzva4xY8g

mapuc

11-05-20, 03:37 PM

A bit more on the mink cull here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54818615

Danish government has taken dramatic steps regarding this mutation

The country’s health authorities fear the new strain could prove to be more resistant against a vaccine. Kåre Mølbak, head of the State Serum Institute, the national authority for the control of infectious diseases, said the strain had mutations on its spike protein, the part of the virus that infects healthy cells.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/05/denmark-lockdown-north-mink-blamed-coronavirus-strain

Markus

Aktungbby

11-06-20, 04:19 AM

Danish government has taken dramatic steps regarding this mutation

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/05/denmark-lockdown-north-mink-blamed-coronavirus-strain

Markus Denmark is the world's biggest producer of mink fur and its main export markets are China and Hong Kong. JEEZE! after everything else they 'stole"https://www.bing.com/th?id=OP.ldzq2iXMJf%2fX9w474C474&o=5&pid=21.1&w=128&h=128&qlt=100&bw=6&bc=FFFFFF(like the South China Sea & Hong Kong) :doh::ping::ping: this'll put a serious chink in global sino-minky business!:O:

skidman

11-06-20, 04:55 AM

No prob for the inventive Chinaman: Take advantage of the local infectious fauna. Replace mink fur with bat flaps and avoid the furocious crisis:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6j5s9a6zb8srb2i/batflaps.jpg?raw=1

Jimbuna

11-06-20, 08:50 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QvvMDw6YQw

Jimbuna

11-06-20, 08:55 AM

Everyone living or working in Liverpool will be offered repeat tests, whether or not they have symptoms of coronavirus.

Mayor Joe Anderson said the two-week testing pilot could save lives and stop hospitals being overwhelmed.

About 2,000 military personnel are helping deliver the tests in the city.

Denmark has been taken off the UK's travel corridor list, with those arriving from the country now having to self-isolate for 14 days.

It comes as Danish authorities say a lockdown will be introduced in some areas over a coronavirus mutation found in mink that can spread to humans.

Students at the University of Manchester have torn down "prison-like" fencing erected around their campus.

A further 378 deaths were reported in the UK on Thursday and 24,141 more have tested positive for coronavirus.

Jimbuna

11-06-20, 09:13 AM

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Jimbuna

11-06-20, 10:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIlKywjq_AI

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 08:38 AM

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Jimbuna

11-07-20, 08:41 AM

skidman

11-07-20, 08:41 AM

:haha:

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 12:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjvyNfdbWy8

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 01:39 PM

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Rockstar

11-07-20, 03:56 PM

The UK has imposed a ban on non-UK citizens coming from Denmark amid concerns over a new coronavirus strain that has spread from mink to humans.

UK citizens will be able to return to Britain from Denmark - but will have to isolate along with all members of their household for 14 days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54851042

A new mutation spread from mink to humans? What am I missing here, are they saying it all started when mink went to China on vacation and brought back a strain of COVID which has mutated and infected humans? I could've swore everyone was already aware that all animals have ACE2 receptors making it possible for infections to spread in the animal kingdom. Such as from bats to humans - humans to cat - cat to mink - mink to human again. On a side note: from what I've read its thought ferrets seem less susceptible to infection. Dowly should be happy about that. :03:

Skybird

11-07-20, 04:21 PM

The mutation in Danish minks has stronger resistance than the known variations that are currently in the wild. The big danger is that the mutated mink virus gains further resistance - and by that, if gettign set free, ruins all vaccinations there are in testing currently. A reserve of that virus surviving in this and other animal groups must at all cost be avoided.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/05/danish-covid-19-mink-variant-could-spark-new-pandemic-scientists-warn

Its heartbreaking, I like animals and do not liketo kill them easily. But these poor creatures were doomed anyway. Man should not treat other species like this, industrial minimum-space lifestock farming I mean. Since I became my house block's squirrel warden :), my attitude on all this is shifting, and I discover some soft spots in me that I previously ignored - and ignored too much, maybe.

Rockstar

11-07-20, 05:41 PM

An over reaction but I think its prudent during a pandemic to take action and cull those poor unfortunate critters. However at the moment we are far from saying with any certainty it is (or not) a more resistant strain

Despite the virus’s sluggish mutation rate, researchers have catalogued more than 12,000 mutations in SARS-CoV-2 genomes. But scientists can spot mutations faster than they can make sense of them. Many mutations will have no consequence for the virus’s ability to spread or cause disease, because they do not alter the shape of a protein, whereas those mutations that do change proteins are more likely to harm the virus than improve it (see ‘A catalogue of coronavirus mutations’). “It’s much easier to break something than it is to fix it,” says Hodcroft, who is part of Nextstrain (https://nextstrain.org), an effort to analyse SARS-CoV-2 genomes in real time.https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

Jimbuna

11-08-20, 08:18 AM

One pathetically small positive being the fact that the local ASDA store is well stocked with TP.

mapuc

11-08-20, 03:04 PM

It has turned into a totally politics in this Mink-corona case.

I would call it Mink-gate.

What disgust me most is..the Danish politician couldn't care less how these animal is treated in captivity, they only see an opportunity to earn votes.
(I know this is about the Corona pandemic)

Markus

Catfish

11-08-20, 04:27 PM

[...] ..the Danish politician couldn't care less how these animal is treated in captivity, they only see an opportunity to earn votes. [...]
It is politics, but abusing animals and slaughter them for luxury purposes alone is idiotic and cruel. No one needs a fur to keep him warm today.
It is one thing if you kill an animal to save your life in Alaska or wherever the situation is dire, but to do this on industrial scale is disgusting.
Yes we eat pigs, cows etc., wear leather shoes and clothing and no one thinks a second about how those animals were bred and treated, until you really see it. Even if one is not interested in the wellbeing, it is a pool of rot and decay, spreading all kinds of diseases.
With the second industrial revolution currently happening mankind should calmly rethink its role and behaviour on this tiny planet.

Skybird

11-08-20, 06:34 PM

Excurison:

Found a dead squirrel today, beautifully coloured fur, no visible injuries or anything. The fur so soft like down feathers. Wrapped it in coloured maple leafs and burried it on a calmer part of the place I was at, which was a bit difficult since the ground was hard and I only had a Swiss pocket knife as tool. I was not happy, and shortened the bicycle tour, it had lost the right mood. I know nature is cruel and does not care, but I did not want to let it lie there, the memory would have stuck on my mind.

I definitely have grown some emotional links to this species.

Over the past 4, 5 years, I more and more moved away from former levels of meat consuming, it happened all by itself, slowly, and without pressing myself. Even chicken now seems to be on its way out, while I am more and more into fish. I find that more and more often my compassion overrules my appetite. Since I do it without any ideological food agenda or health concerns and do not need to force me, but find it to be a natural development in me, it feels very good to simply stay on this way and see where it leads me, without forcing the direction.

Lasting change of habits are to come only this way. Force needs compliance, and even if it enforces it, compliance this way always is limited. Sooner or later you run out of it. Everbyody telling you he tried a hundred differen diets, will knowingly or unknowingly illustrate to you the truth in that.

And if you come across red squirrels in Europe seeking help, help them, set up nut feeder boxes, water, and a box with antural wool. They bring joy in your life if you allow them, and their needs are very many, have grown in the past 3, 4 years. Their death rate is horror. 80% do nto m ake their first year. 90% do not last until their third birthday. Not even one in an hundred surioves five years. While this species can live for up to 12-15 years, if treated well!

Saw a film on slaughterhouses some mon ths ago. In it they showed a farm in I think Wales, or Denmark, I am not certain. When a cow or bull was ready for getting slaugtered, they did not transport it and caused stress or anything. Instead somebody walked into the corral or on the meadow, with a rifle with silencer, and shot the animal right in place. No noise, no stress, no pain, no fear, no nothing. Afterwards a special tractor moved it out. The other animals stood around, watched, did not realise what it means, and everything was peaceful.

To me the ideal solution if you need to slaughter lifestock although even this is, of course, a betrayal of trust. Mass lifestock is no longer acceptable to me. I know the consequences, but I do not accept it anymore.

I changed my mind on these things over the past 5-10 years, slowly but substantially, and again without being pressed by others or pressing myself. I consider it a process of ethical ripening.

I do not eat vegan meat surrogate "food", and do not consider myself to be a vegan or vegetarian. Its awful stuff, a lousy surrogate for meat, and healthwise it often is controversial at best, in my view. All attempts I made with these kind of foods, always resulted in getting to the waste bin. "Vegan meat" simply is a term that should not be used.

End of excursion.

Jimbuna

11-09-20, 06:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfkMywgDEdY

Jimbuna

11-09-20, 06:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x9NA5RP_VA

Jimbuna

11-09-20, 06:11 AM

Wales' 17-day 'firebreak' lockdown has ended and new rules have come into force.

New virus tests being trialled in Liverpool could be a "major breakthrough" says the government.

In the US, President-elect Joe Biden is to make tackling the pandemic his top priority following his win over Donald Trump.

Meanwhile some disabled people in the UK are struggling to obtain medication and breathing equipment, research suggests.

In the UK, 20,572 new cases were announced on Sunday and 156 further deaths.

The global number of confirmed cases passes 50 million, while 1.25 million people have died.

Jimbuna

11-09-20, 06:16 AM

Hungary is imposing a partial lockdown for at least a month in a bid to stem fast-rising coronavirus infections.

The west African country of Ghana has seen its daily coronavirus cases rise from an average of 25 to 130 over the past two weeks, raising concerns about a possible second wave of the virus.
Ghana’s active cases have increased to 1,139 from 398 over the last three weeks. The country has so far registered 320 deaths as of Friday.

Jimbuna

11-09-20, 08:41 AM

Platapus

11-09-20, 10:29 AM

This is good news

Jimbuna

11-09-20, 01:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuYCG8A7KTc

mapuc

11-09-20, 03:35 PM

In todays episode of Science in our talk radio they were discussing blood type. There are many I can tell you.

The host of this program asked the guest, who is a Chief Physician and who work at some institute where they examine blood and other thing related to blood, sickness and so on.

The host said:
Now that we know my blood type (she had blood type 0 Rhesus negative) Does this mean I have 13 % lesser chance to get infected with Corona.

Here is what he said:

Not exactly.

Let me give you an example.

You take a walk down the main street in aarhus and on you way you meat 4 people, each of them are infected and contagious.
The first has blood type A-The virus in this person's blood is developed to fit people with this blood type-which mean you are somehow protected, but not entirely.
The same goes with the other two.
The last person you meet has the same blood type as you 0 Rhesus negative- The chance that you get infected is high.

Hopefully I have got most of it, I'm trying to remember what he said about blood type 0 and other blood types and the chance to get infected

Markus

Skybird

11-09-20, 05:35 PM

The first effective coronavirus vaccine can prevent more than 90% of people from getting Covid-19, a preliminary analysis shows.

The developers - Pfizer and BioNTech - described it as a "great day for science and humanity".

Their vaccine has been tested on 43,500 people in six countries and no safety concerns have been raised.

The companies plan to apply for emergency approval to use the vaccine by the end of the month.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105

A German developer and an American market giant still can cooperate after this turbulent years. Good news. BionTech is interesting, founded by a German couple with Turkish roots who not only are the CEOs, but also lead the development work in the lab.

Nevertheless nobody should expect that now soon it all will be over. I am living by the expectation that we will live around another year with restrictions and masks. Distribution, organisation and vaccination time tables simply take the time that it takes.

Also, due to the immense steam in the kettle, I am suspicous of it, its one of these new "genetic shots" (of which there are several variants in trial). If you really want to be certain on its longterm consequences, you need to calculate in years. It is logically and practically impossible for them to know it all already now, it just cannot have been done in thes emon ths. Time is time. My recommendation: if you have no real good reason, do not be fast to become one of the first getting the shot. Evaluate your risk level, and then decide. But do not rule it out forever.

At some point I will go and get a vaccination. But not immediately or in the next months. Could very well be until late in the second half of next year, I am not in a hurry. Thats due to my living conditions, however, since I lack opportunities to catch up the ifnection. Probability is more in my favour than for others.

Many things are still unclear, btw. It still is not known about this new vaccine whether the vaccinated person, while not gettign ill himself, still could carry on the infection and infect others, for example (German TV this evening). We also cannot be sure on how long the protection lasts. If it lasts only 4 months, then - well...

So much steam in the kettle. So much gold to win. Don't stop thinking now!

Skybird

11-09-20, 06:11 PM

An anecdote, BionTech's HQ sits in Mainz in a street named "An der Goldgrube" - that means "At the gold mine". :D

Jimbuna

11-10-20, 07:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RSAfRMrd8w

Skybird

11-10-20, 08:55 AM

So the Scots provide shielding households a 4-months reserve of Vitamine D, eh?

In Germany they want to prohibit the availability and selling of such supplements. At best not just in Germany, but in t he wole EU. An according bill hasjust been brought into parliament by - the Greens, who else.

Nur mit Kresse sollst du darben,
nicht an Nährstoffen dich laben,
zieh Grünes dir im eignen Brunnen,
auf daß dein Mangel sei gelungen.
Gönnst kleine Profite den Herstellern nicht -
umso größere für Big Pharma benennst du als Pflicht!
Dann kaufen alle die teureren Drogen
und sind doch um ihre Gesundheit betrogen!

I always knew I have a poet's soul in me. :D

Jimbuna

11-10-20, 09:04 AM

UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock says he is optimistic life will return to normal by spring after promising vaccine results.

Welsh Government cancels GCSE, AS and A-level exams next summer 2021, with grades to be based on classroom assessments.

Record redundancies recorded in the UK in the three months to September
The second wave has pushed UK death rates over the five-year average, the Office for National Statistics says.

But in Brazil, a clinical trial for a Chinese Covid-19 vaccine is suspended after a "severe adverse" incident.

Globally there are now nearly 51 million confirmed cases and more than 1.2 million deaths, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

11-10-20, 09:11 AM

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Platapus

11-10-20, 09:46 AM

Of those three, only the second makes any sense.

1 and 3 are based on correlation with no causality determined.

Jimbuna

11-10-20, 12:14 PM

I'm sorry but it makes perfect sense to me.

1 Deaths within 28 days of a positive test result.

3 Deaths over and above the usual number at this time of year.

Skybird

11-10-20, 04:33 PM

Formally, none of the three counting methods causally proves a death being caused by Covid 19.

I'm sorry but it makes perfect sense to me.

1 Deaths within 28 days of a positive test result.

Does not prove that death is caused by Corona. Could be cancer as well. Stroke. Car accident.

3 Deaths over and above the usual number at this time of year.Same as above. You need to prove that the raise is due to corona and not other factors, you have to exclude all other explanations. Everybody knowing statistics knows this: you shall not mistake correlation and coincidence with causality. Its one of the first things you learn is statistics basics course.

But thats a formality. Lets not split hairs. Pragmatically, 2 makes the most sense when the death certificates explcitly says that the death was caused by Covid-19. If it says that death coincides with Corona-19, it essentially describes just a correlation, a coincidence again, no causality.

1 and 3 imo are not authoritative.

August

11-10-20, 07:14 PM

I'm sorry but it makes perfect sense to me.

1 Deaths within 28 days of a positive test result.

3 Deaths over and above the usual number at this time of year.

Yes but neither show any actual connection to the disease. Number three could be just as easily caused by an increase in traffic accidents or any number of non covid related reasons. Same problem with number one.

Jimbuna

11-11-20, 08:03 AM

I wasn't under the impression the table was assigning ALL deaths to Covid but rather only a potential connection.

Jimbuna

11-11-20, 08:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n16W3cjBttA

Jimbuna

11-11-20, 08:19 AM

The UK "will not use anything" until experts make judgement on vaccine safety, top advisers pledge.

Science 'just at the beginning of our journey' on vaccines, says England's deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam.

The EU confirms it will buy 300 million doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine once it is "proven to be safe and effective"

University students in England will be asked to return home for Christmas in the week after the lockdown ends.

As many students as possible will be offered rapid result Covid tests, and teaching should move online by 9 December.

The US is seeing a record number of Covid patients in hospital - nearly 62,000 - as a surge shows no signs of slowing.

Jimbuna

11-11-20, 08:29 AM

There have been 64 deaths after a positive coronavirus test registered in Scotland since yesterday, which is the highest daily total since the 6 May, Nicola Sturgeon has announced. Some 1,235 people are in hospital with the virus.

The US has now recorded more than 10 million cases and almost 240,000 deaths from coronavirus, the highest figures in the world.
For almost a week, more than 100,000 new cases have been confirmed each day, as infections continue to rise across the country in a third peak that threatens to be worse than those of the spring and summer.

Hot on the heels of an announcement by US and German rivals, Russia has announced that its Sputnik V vaccine has proven to be 92% effective against Covid-19.

Spain and Italy are seeing their highest numbers of deaths since the second Covid wave began. Spain has recorded another 411 deaths over 24 hours and Italy 580.

Hungary has just imposed a night-time curfew and closed secondary schools, bars and restaurants as it fights soaring infection rates. Prime Minister Viktor Orban has warned of a potential shortage of medics to treat patients.

Meanwhile, some 300,000 schoolchildren in Germany and 30,000 teachers are currently self-isolating, according to tabloid Bild. A teachers’ association leader has warned German schools are experiencing a “salami lockdown” - in other words, the gradual closure of more and more schools due to outbreaks.

India’s capital Delhi is experiencing a fresh spike in Covid-19 cases; the city's Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal has called it the “third peak” of the virus.
On Tuesday, the city recorded 7,830 fresh cases in 24 hours, up from its previous high of 7,745 on Sunday. Total cases now number more than 450,000 and Delhi has overtaken Kerala as the region in India with the fastest-growing caseload.

Skybird

11-11-20, 10:03 AM

Germany sees higher numbers of patients in ICU now than during the height of the first wave in Spring.

The German-American vaccine needs two shots. The 300 doses the eU ordered therefore reduces itself two 150 million vaccinations.

The stuff must be stored at -70°C. That means the logistics of mass vaccination are tricky. Most pharmacies and laboratories for example usually do not have refrigerators capable of that low temperature.

It will take long time even if there are no mishaps, problems, accidents, technical issues, logistic falurtes. With any of the latter it will last even longer.

Germany plans 60-70 vaccination centres of drive-through design. People like me who do not own a car, will not get vaccinated. :)

A press speaker of the Corona family said they plan to mutate around autumn next year to equalize the playing field once again and take immunization out of the equation again. :D

Jimbuna

11-11-20, 12:14 PM

UK becomes first country in Europe to pass 50,000 coronavirus deaths, according to government figures.

UK is fifth country globally to pass that figure, coming after the US, Brazil, India and Mexico.

UK government's death figures only include people who died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid.

Science 'just at the beginning of our journey' on vaccines, says England's deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam.

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Jimbuna

11-11-20, 01:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1K8ZkA8ukk

mapuc

11-11-20, 03:50 PM

In the news today they talked about this vaccine who was 90 % effective.
They said that this vaccine was a new type a DNA based/type of vaccine

Don't know what a DNA based/type of vaccine is and how it works and what type of side effect this type of vaccine may cause.

Markus

Catfish

11-11-20, 04:59 PM

As soon as BionTech/Pfizer announce their 90-percent-effective vaccine, Russia stated its "Sputnik" vaccine was at 92 percent. Honi soit qui mal y pense :D

August

11-11-20, 05:03 PM

They want us all to take a hurriedly developed substance with altered DNA? Sounds like a science fiction movie plot. Given our luck this year I wonder what the unknown side effect will be? Vampirism? :hmmm:

mapuc

11-11-20, 05:19 PM

Following statement is not based on knowledge, since I have almost none when it comes to these areas as medicin and virology.

I have a fear that this type of DNA based vaccine will kick back in 5-10 years after it has been injected into peoples blood.

They have said there wasn't any side effect during fase 3 and this was positive.

I hope there isn't any side effect in a couple of month from now and not in 5 or 10 years from now.

Markus

skidman

11-11-20, 05:21 PM

They want us all to take a hurriedly developed substance with altered DNA?

No. You are lacking thousands of hydroxy groups here. Usually this form of abstinence leads to bitterness, stubbornness, and delusional disorder.

Gerald

11-11-20, 07:22 PM

New York has introduced new restrictions aimed at curbing coronavirus, with Mayor Bill de Blasio warning it was the city's "last chance" to stop a second wave.

Bars, restaurants and gyms must close by 22:00 and people can only meet in groups of 10 or less.

The US is seeing a surge in coronavirus - a record 61,964 Americans were in hospital on Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54906483

This is our LAST chance to stop a second wave.
We can do it, but we have to act NOW.

— Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor)

https://nyccovidrate.com/

Jimbuna

11-12-20, 06:54 AM

As soon as BionTech/Pfizer announce their 90-percent-effective vaccine, Russia stated its "Sputnik" vaccine was at 92 percent. Honi soit qui mal y pense :D

Just wait for the NK figure. Oh, I forgot, they've only ever had one confirmed case :o

Jimbuna

11-12-20, 07:02 AM

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Skybird

11-12-20, 08:45 AM

The "genetic vaccines" must be seen as different variants that they indeed are, they are not al the same. the mRNA vaccines must be split into the so-called non-replicating and the self-amplifying mRNA (m for messenger), additonally there are DNA vaccines.

With mRNA vaccines, no deactivated virus material gets injected into the arm (as is the case with conventional vaccines), but just the plans for it. The immune system reads these as blueprints, creates so to speak an idea of what the viorus would look like that matches these construction plans, and then builds tailored weapons against it. So much for the theory. It seems to work in principle. Since noi virusses must be breed in cultures and just the blueprint of the vorus is enoguh ti have, such vaccines can be priodfuced much faster. However, logistically they are a nightmare. These new ones now must be stored at -70°C, and must be transported at these temperatures. Go figure. Refrigerators in labs and pharmacies are not generally able to read such temperatures. And the cooling chain should not be broken, under no cirumcstances.

The risk is that the mRNA triggers reactions form all across the body when it starts to interact in an unforseen way with the cells. Healthy cells, that are, that then nevertheless maye start to send stress signals to the immune system that "there is somethign alien around here". These signals are emitted via cytokines, messenger molecules. Some of these are more inflammatory than others. Its good to make the body using more of the less-inflammatory cytokines and less of the more-inflammatory cytokines, one calls this "modulating the immune system". Vitamine-D does this, hence the strong effect of it, because the feared cytokine storm is one of the biggest and most dangerous threats from Sars-Cov-2 - everything that raises chances to avoid it, is highly welcomed. The risk that there now may be with these new vaccines is, that they may cause a cytokine storm out of nothing, and from absolutely healthy organs, tissue, parts of the body, by cells misinterpreting the presence of the mRNA and hitting the alarm button. And then the immune system starts to launch its heavy bombers and cluster-bombs the whole area, causing only collateral damage.

We have no experience with this threat and cannot assess currently how it may change and increase or disappear over time the mRNA material is present in the blood stream. I think any expert claiming it is proven to be harmless, lies. It cannot have been proven after just some months, it is practically impossible. The experience of ten years we will only have after the passing of ten years, it cannot be gained by an accelerated simulation only. Any reasonable guessing here, after all is just right what it is being called: guessing.

There are no experiences with any of these so far, we do not have earlier experiences we could fall back to to assess the longterm consequences of these mRNA actors in the human body. There is no way to accelerate any simulated testing and squeeze lets say 10 and 20 years into a phase 3 trial lasting just months, its impossible.

The human genome consists to 8% of virus DNA already. It should be clear that this means any statement, as recently made, that the virus RNA could not influence the human DNA, should be seen with principle scepticism. Also consider the blatant lies of the WHO and in germany the RKI on detials of the unfolding pandemic and how to tackle it. I think - but I am a layman only - that the mRNA intersacting oiver time in unpredicted ways with the human cell'S genetic inlays, is possible. The big question is: to what degree, what the chances are. Answer: we do not know.

We also do not know how effective these new vaccines will be, and how big the drop in efficiency in older people is. Age is a factor influencing the efficiency of vaccines.

We also do not know how long the immunity gained will last. 4 years? 4 months?

We do not know when the virus mutates next and renders these vaccines toothless. I base on the belief that it will result in the need of seasonally new development of vaccines, like with flu shots. And the efficiency of the latter varies, and quite significantly, depending on how well they guessed regarding the next flu season: what virusses it will bring, and mixing the shot accordingly.

This is important to understand: a vaccination like this does not protect everybody who got it. The pretecitons reaches shorter the older the population is, and it varies depending on the mix for the shot when it is a seaosnal vaccination.

That are a bit too many question marks and unanswered questions as if I would be in a hurry to get vaccinated. Maybe I will, in the end, I am no principle vaccine rejector like some nutcases are, really not. But most likely rather later than sooner.

The personal coping strategy I have opted for, to me makes more sense, and it has served mankind very well, else we would have gone extinct already: supporting my immune system, doing what I know I can do to keep it well supplied and its components effectively functioning, achieving that by good supply in nutrition, vitamines, minerals, trace elements - and rejecting to follow the ill-making minimal doses given by the criminals at the WHO, DGE, RKI and other dubious organisations. Salt, iodine, selene, zinc, magnesium, mangan, vitamines A, B, C, D, E, K;, EPA, DHA, Q10, amino acids, cofactors - all that in documented, well-researched higher-than-the WHO-recommends doses.

really, we shoud niot ttrust thes meionstitutions so blindly, in some cases they have bertrayed and and lied to us since decades, and still do. Salt, iodine on my mind, next the conspitraiton to dfeend refined sugar and corn syrup. There is so much more. They loei and cheast, they cheat and lie. And always its the idnustry benefitting formt heir lies and people become ill, stay ill, die early. Strange, eh? We have no health systems. We havbe desease systems, and an idnustry has formed aporund it living of ill people. Thi sidnustry cannot live with healthy people, it cna onyl fister when people are ill. We have a pathological system, and doctors focussing on easing the suffering from symptoms - not on why the symptoms formed up in the first , but such doctoprs do not heal,

It already has served me surprisingly obvious health benefits to do like I started doing ealry spring, so that I regret I did not already didit earlier. I have hypertension, but significantly less so now, of the three drugs I needed to take, I have stopped one and have halved the other two, planning to abandon another one as well. My heart rate, alway shavign been hilariously high, went down by 20-25 poiunts to normal levels, after all my previous life. My craving my drinking much, my extreme sweating, my cravign for sweet taste, have all taken a serious bashing, a reduction to just fractions of my former needs. My notorious tooth pains have reduced very significantly, so has my gum bleeding and my extremely fast building tooth calcerosa since 6 months is - gone.

My Dad had a stroke, is diabetic, has hypoertension. His drug mix has been reduced as well, he feels better alone by taking 4-5 times as much salt as he previously did. My mum had health sisues as well, and an underlying vulnerability for depression. She too outperfomrs herself since she started to change her diet according to my feedback and new books, and her mood is so good like it has not been in iover ten years. Both their doctors are - well, perplexed. :)

If I would follow the advice of the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Ernährung DGE or the WHO, I would still be - sick. Lets call it as what it is. SICK. Thats what they lead us to to be.

Telling my doctor some weeks ago what I take and to what ammounts, he just rolled his eyes, he is very conservative. But after I had orderd several additional blood tests for whom I had to pay myself since they were variables not covered by the health insurrance, an dsinc ehe had a look at them, he does neither laugh nor roll his eyes anymore. He is just - you guessed it maybe - perplexed. :yeah:

Perplexing othodox doctors is fun! Actually, seen this way, Corona has acchieved something positive for me. I have substantially rehabiliated my health status, and my nutrients input. And I got rid of two of four drugs I took for years, and can maybe get rid of the other two as well with time. Thank you, Corona, you motivated me to do this. I owe you one.

This and the circumstances I live in (single and alone, and being pretty much withdrawn from the world and its people, and being quite a bit non-social by nature), are the reasons why I am in no hurry for gettign vaccinated. Not at all. I fulyl understand, however,m that I am kind of priviliged and that there are many people who could not afford to live like this, nor would want it. As I said, in principle I am quite unsocial and prefer to stay a bit apart.

I do not think I have become untouchable for the vorus. It cna bite me, cna finect me nevertheless. I know this, and enver have I cliamed that my tips "heal" corona. But they might shift chances in my favour that then I need to suffer not a seriosu, threatneign form of it, but just a mild case. Thats what it is about: Changing propabilities for a mild case in your favour.

Catfish

11-12-20, 09:36 AM

Get the german/american AND the russian vaccine, so you have 182 percent protection..
Or you will mutate into a creature only voting for republicans :hmmm:
So there's a new conspiracy theory to believe!

Skybird

11-12-20, 11:45 AM

Hollow-Earth reptiloids like me have natural immunity against vaccines like these. We recommend vitamines only to mock those stupid mammals actually believing all this stupid nonsense we write. :88)

Jimbuna

11-12-20, 01:13 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2zBZbIL32g

Jimbuna

11-12-20, 01:15 PM

A record 33,470 people have tested positive for coronavirus in the UK government's latest daily figure.

It is the highest daily number since mass testing began in the UK, and brings the total number of cases to more than 1.29 million.

The scale of testing in the UK has steadily grown in recent weeks.

Government minister Alok Sharma said rising case numbers were "a reminder to us about why we are taking action to stop the spread of the virus".

On Wednesday the UK became the first country in Europe to pass 50,000 Covid deaths.

Thursday's daily number of cases showed a 45.8% increase on Wednesday's figure of 22,950.

mapuc

11-12-20, 03:23 PM

The reason for this high number of positive corona should be the number who is being tested...the authorities say.

How high would this number of positive be...if everyone followed the restrictions the national government has made ?

I say the number would be a lot lower.

Markus

Skybird

11-12-20, 03:42 PM

In Germany, the numbers still race upwards, but the curve if slowly flattening a bit, by trend the speed of increase in it is slowing down - a bit.

Statistical simulations and projections show that in the time between 22nd and 25th Novembre we will probably have twice as many patients in ICU than we had at the climax of the first wave in Spring.

Catfish

11-12-20, 04:02 PM

The reason for this high number of positive corona should be the number who is being tested...the authorities say. [...]
Of course, this is why Trump proposed to test less and "bring down the numbers" :03:
And if we introduced more intelligence tests, we would have more idiots.

mapuc

11-12-20, 04:55 PM

Of course, this is why Trump proposed to test less and "bring down the numbers" :03:
And if we introduced more intelligence tests, we would have more idiots.

I'm not talking about bringing down the number of daily test who is made in each country.

I'm just saying if everyone followed the restriction-this high number of positive test, wouldn't be so high. Zero infected is not a possibility.

Daily I read how my friends is critical against the restriction on using facemask. They can't understand how the daily number of positive corona is so high, when we shall wear facemask in public areas or where there's a lot of people gathered.

In the beginning I told some of them, that the reason is simple.

The people "use" these facemask wrong a huge majority does. They use the same facemask several times and other things. Many even use these who's made of fabric
They think that these mask is a universal protection against Corona-
Because before we had to use facemask, passangers who entered the bus I was sitting in, stayed and looked around to find a place where there was distance to others...now they get on the bus and take a seat even if there is 5-10 others sitting closely together.

It also seem like people forget all the rest...even people shall wear facemask in public they shall keep social distance and use hand sanitizer when possible or wash hands as often as possible.

Important
I'm not a corona police or try to act as one I don't care what other do..I have only observed certain changes in others behavior after we was forced to use facemask and how they are being used.

Markus

Skybird

11-12-20, 08:12 PM

Of course, this is why Trump proposed to test less and "bring down the numbers" :03:
And if we introduced more intelligence tests, we would have more idiots.
No, more intelligent people. Only idiots would refuse to get tested and getting a score and missing all the benefits from having a certificate saying they have something that they haven't.

But I am not certain that I got this right.

:O:

Jimbuna

11-13-20, 06:59 AM

I'm not talking about bringing down the number of daily test who is made in each country.

I'm just saying if everyone followed the restriction-this high number of positive test, wouldn't be so high. Zero infected is not a possibility.

Daily I read how my friends is critical against the restriction on using facemask. They can't understand how the daily number of positive corona is so high, when we shall wear facemask in public areas or where there's a lot of people gathered.

In the beginning I told some of them, that the reason is simple.

The people "use" these facemask wrong a huge majority does. They use the same facemask several times and other things. Many even use these who's made of fabric
They think that these mask is a universal protection against Corona-
Because before we had to use facemask, passangers who entered the bus I was sitting in, stayed and looked around to find a place where there was distance to others...now they get on the bus and take a seat even if there is 5-10 others sitting closely together.

It also seem like people forget all the rest...even people shall wear facemask in public they shall keep social distance and use hand sanitizer when possible or wash hands as often as possible.

Important
I'm not a corona police or try to act as one I don't care what other do..I have only observed certain changes in others behavior after we was forced to use facemask and how they are being used.

Markus

I've also made similar observations in my home town Markus but what angers me the most is the fact that with each passing day, fewer and fewer people are no longer bothering to wear a face mask.

I blame the supermarkets greed for gold mentality for this. Anyone not wearing a mask without a valid reason should be refused entry if nothing other than to protect the diminishing majority who still wear them.

Jimbuna

11-13-20, 07:08 AM

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Jimbuna

11-13-20, 08:06 AM

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Jimbuna

11-13-20, 01:00 PM

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FeatsOfStrength

11-14-20, 06:38 AM

People in this thread should really watch some Potholer54 (BBC Scientific Journalist Peter Hadfield) videos, the only YouTuber on the subject i've seen who donates all proceeds from his videos to charity:

https://youtu.be/bzh6HwN0gbw

Platapus

11-14-20, 07:07 AM

According to the CDC, the US continues to break the daily new case records. 12 Nov 20 194,610 new cases just for that one day. :o

To put it some perspective on 1 Apr 2020, the total number of cases in the US was 212,871. :o:o

And we are just getting into the winter season. :nope:

Jimbuna

11-14-20, 08:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8elB6_AP3Ww

August

11-14-20, 10:03 AM

Jimbuna

11-14-20, 10:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBFRJA_HCR8

Onkel Neal

11-14-20, 02:24 PM

Yeah, I'm guessing we are testing a lot more people, so getting more reported positives makes sense.

skidman

11-14-20, 04:03 PM

Yes, the number of tests was raised significantly, but the increase in the positive rate in the last weeks is absolutely alarming.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zs43nmi6tgi9a40/t1.png?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tb0qsloye55san/t2.png?raw=1

Jimbuna

11-15-20, 06:52 AM

Ten people have died after a fire broke out on an intensive care ward treating coronavirus patients in Romania.

Seven others are critically injured following the fire at Piatra Neamt county hospital on Saturday.

Apart from one person, all those killed or injured are COVID-19 patients, according to emergency services spokesperson Irina Popa.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-seven-killed-in-fire-on-coronavirus-intensive-care-ward-in-romania-12132698

As if COVID on its own wasn't already bad enough.

I should imagine the amount of oxygen in the rooms will have been akin to pouring petrol on a fire.

Jimbuna

11-15-20, 07:17 AM

There have been more than 1.3 million confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK and almost 52,000 people have died, government figures show.

However, these figures include only people who have died within 28 days of testing positive for coronavirus and other measures suggest the number of deaths is higher.

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Rockstar

11-15-20, 09:30 AM

Just an FYI I just worked this out using numbers from worldometer and Johns Hopkins University.

U.S. pop. 331,000,000; infected 3.3% of pop; deaths 0.074% of population; case fatality rate 2.3%; number tested 48.74% of population; deaths/100kpopulation 75.07

France pop. 65,000,000; infected 2.94% of population; deaths 0.065% of population; case fatality rate 2.2%; number tested unknown; deaths/100kpopulation 63.59

U.K. pop. 68,000,000; infected 3.8% of population; deaths 0.076% of population; case fatality rate 3.8%; number tested unknown; deaths/100kpopulation 77.99

Germany pop. 84,000,000; infected 0.95% of population; deaths 0.014% of population; case fatality rate 1.6%; number tested unknown; deaths/100kpopulation 15.09

Belgium pop. 12,000,000; infected 4.43% of population; deaths 0.11% of population; case fatality rate 2.7%; number tested unknown; deaths/100kpopulation 125.22

Finland pop. 5,540,000; infected 0.34% of population; deaths 0.006% of population; case fatality rate 1.9%; number tested unknown; deaths/100kpopulation 6.69

Canada pop. 38,000,000; infected 0.77% of population; deaths 0.028% of population; case fatality rate 3.7%; number tested unknown; deaths/100kpopulation 29.54.

Denmark pop. 6,000,000; infected 1.04% of population; deaths 0.012% of population; case fatality rate 1.2%; number tested unknown; deaths/100kpopulation 13.06.

E.U. population 448,000,000 (does not include U.K.); infected 1.88%; number of tested unknown. I couldn't find a lot on the E.U. in total. I just added up numbers by country from Johns Hopkins website. Seems when the going gets tuff euros suddenly forget all about dreams of Union and circle the nationalist band wagons again. Whereas here in the U.S. the people did just the opposite totally forgetting that each sovereign state they live in is pretty much responsible for the healthcare of its own people. Instead they went totally off the reservation crying like a bunch of old women looking for a some kind of savior or dictator to take care of them and rule by edict and decree. So much for 'We the People"

Anyway with few exceptions such as Finland and maybe Germany though their numbers are rising. I'm thinking we are for the most part all in the same boat with pretty much the same problems. However from what i hear vaccinations for the general public should start becoming available by Spring.

As for the U.S. France and U.K. having apparently the highest in some rates. All three of us have a several centuries old history together when it came to forming our governments, individual freedoms, rights, liberty. Making it hard if not impossible to develope dictatorships or for our leaders to rule by edicts and decrees even during a pandemic. Germans on the other hand are historically blind and loyal followers to whomever is in power in their country and proud of it.

Jimbuna

11-15-20, 12:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smm_ZvJqJk4

Jimbuna

11-15-20, 12:31 PM

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mapuc

11-15-20, 01:04 PM

I really wish I had the skill to remember everything what's happened here in Denmark and posted here in this Wuhan virus thread.

It's...to put it nicely absurd

First the government gave order to kill every mink in Denmark..later it turned they didn't have legal authority to give such an order
The Prime minister and her Minister of Food said they didn't know this.
Some day after they confessed having violated the law.
Despite this confession the Danish mink breeders are getting phone calls from the police and military who ask how many mink they have killed today and how many they have left. Some farmers get this call several timers pay day.

The way these mink are eliminated is terrible to watch.
The health authorities imported 30 Romanian who should be expert in killing mink- An undercover video show how one of them is killing a mink by kicking the head of it.
They through living mink in the bag who is then send to a crematorium
It's so terrible.

So we are in a deep political and a huge animal welfare scandal

I have tried and tried to find some English article mentioned these things.

Markus

Jimbuna

11-15-20, 01:44 PM

That short clip is more than enough for my stomach Markus!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13113537/fury-bbc-live-mink-chucked-in-shredder-denmark/

mapuc

11-15-20, 01:53 PM

That short clip is more than enough for my stomach Markus!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13113537/fury-bbc-live-mink-chucked-in-shredder-denmark/

I forgot this which is as awful as the rest.

Hopefully head will be rolling in the Danish Parliament

Markus

Jimbuna

11-15-20, 01:58 PM

I forgot this which is as awful as the rest.

Hopefully head will be rolling in the Danish Parliament

Markus

Hopefully the twunt in the clip will follow through with his arm next time.

skidman

11-15-20, 03:15 PM

Anyway with few exceptions such as Finland and maybe Germany though their numbers are rising.

Did it hurt to edit the post and add Germany to the positive exceptions, because the data would not allow for other interpretations? I bet it did.

As for the U.S. France and U.K. having apparently the highest in some rates. All three of us have a several centuries old history together when it came to forming our governments, individual freedoms, rights, liberty. Making it hard if not impossible to develope dictatorships or for our leaders to rule by edicts and decrees even during a pandemic. Germans on the other hand are historically blind and loyal followers to whomever is in power in their country and proud of it.

Hm. Obviously a lot of factors play a role when trying to explain differences in the data for different countries. The size seems to be important, if you look at Bahrain, San Marino (The oldest republic in the world), Qatar, Aruba or Luxembourg. The geographical position on our planet has a significant influence, if you take a look at more remote places like New Zealand, Australia, Bhutan, Mongolia or the Marshall Islands. Poor countries with a younger population can't afford adequate testing and fail to find infections. And, of course, dictatorships and failed states like China, Russia, North Korea, Somalia, and Eritrea are not reporting proper data.

Let's look at the countries you mentioned: USA, France and the UK on one side, Germany on the other side. If we plotted the Covid incidence, rate of hospitalization, and IFR in those countries against average body mass index, or abundance of diabetes what would be the result? If we compared the onset of public measures relative to the appearance of the first cases on a timeline, what would we find? Sure, take South Korea into consideration and you can correlate pandemic indices to cultural traditions. But that's a horse of another color.

Last remarks and a fun fact especially for you as you seem to be obsessed with Germany and hate the Germans so much: In contrast to almost all other European countries Germany has quite a large group of so called "Querdenker": People who more or less repudiate all public measures against Corona. And there we find them all: People, who think the Third Reich never ended, anti-vaccination-activists, QAnon- and anti-Gates conspiracists, Naziassho!es and the like. Sure, some of them just don't like the idea of a intrusive state.

And here is the sad news: "my body, my choice" or "leaving it up to God" in case of a virus running rampant is not an option. We can not allow 5% of sh!theads ruining it for the rest of us. .

Rockstar

11-15-20, 08:19 PM

Just found E.U. statistics. I was shocked to see how very very similar they are to the U.S. As of November 15th the E.U. (including the U.K.) number of infections is 10,560,263 and the number of deaths 265,184. Definitely nothing write home about or start going again how bad U.S. numbers are. Only thing I can say is keep wearing your mask, wash your hands, maintain your distances and dont think of fleeing to Europe because even with Merkelscience and the slaughter of millions of mink its absolutely without a doubt no better there than it is here.

U.S. number of infections 11,025,046 and rising
number of deaths 246,108 and rising

E.U. number of infections 10,560,273 and rising, especially in the Merkelreich
number of deaths 265,184 and rising also in the Merkelreich

Man the way you Euroes especially our resident German ones were chirping on about the U.S. I thought y'all would have been doing much better than this. I'm really disappointed, I thought because of European superiority coupled with Merkelscience you all would have been doing so much better. I'm very shocked and embarrassed for you, what a surprise those numbers are. Did I mentioned how shocked and surprised I am? Very shocking. Are you shocked? I am. So surprisingly shocking and now the second wave is coming especially in Germany. With numbers like those your leaders just dont seem to care do they?

skidman

11-16-20, 02:18 AM

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
(Socrates)

Skybird

11-16-20, 07:37 AM

Moderna (USA) reports great success with its own vaccine project, quoting a protection rate of 94%. The decisive difference, imo, to that of Biontech and Pfizer is that it must not be stored at -70°C, which imo raises a nightmare of logistical hurdles. An ordinary freezer is sufficient.

Both are mRNA vaccines.

I think that in the second half of 2021 we will feel that things indeed are moving out of the dark valley and back towards normal. Biontech'S CEO, owner, founder and lead developer also said somethign that by the end of 2021 things will be back to almost normal.

Which means we are somewhere around half time now.

Meanwhile, knoweldge and treatment for Sars-Cov-2 have increased dramatically, what poses problems now is not lackign knoweldge, but lack of ressources - namely personell.

Catfish

11-16-20, 07:39 AM

This is good news.

After Pfizer Biontech with 90 percent, the russian vaccine at 92, and this one at 94 we'll be at 110 at no time :D

Rockstar

11-16-20, 08:12 AM

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
(Socrates)

slander is when one speaks an untruth about another.

What I stated was of the science of statistical mathematics coupled with what I thought was very obvious overt sarcasm poking fun at what I have perceived of others here. Just because you're overly sensitive and got a bad case of butthurt because of it doesn't make what I said slanderous or untrue. Truthfully the color of the pot and the kettle are quite similar even in the land of Merkelreich.

Jimbuna

11-16-20, 08:14 AM

This is good news.

After Pfizer Biontech with 90 percent, the russian vaccine at 92, and this one at 94 we'll be at 110 at no time :D

It wouldn't surprise me if Oxford make an announcement soon, topping the 94.5% :)

Skybird

11-16-20, 08:24 AM

It wouldn't surprise me if Oxford make an announcement soon, topping the 94.5% :)
Moderna sits in Oxford, Massachusettes. :O:

Jimbuna

11-16-20, 08:26 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8K4y7ROCqc

Jimbuna

11-16-20, 08:29 AM

A new vaccine that protects against Covid-19 is nearly 95% effective, early data from US company Moderna shows.

However, it is not yet clear how long the immunity will last, or how well it works with older age groups.

Meanwhile, a major trial of a vaccine to protect against Covid has launched in the UK - the third such trial in the country.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is self-isolating after coming into contact with an MP who later tested positive for coronavirus.

UK government says it hopes testing will allow all care home to admit visitors by Christmas.

Dentists warn of an oral health crisis after 19,000 dental treatments were missed in the UK

The states of Michigan and Washington bring in strict measures as cases in the US top 11 million.

South Australian authorities say they are facing a "dangerous situation" after reporting 18 coronavirus cases in the state's first outbreak since April.

There have been more than 54 million coronavirus cases and 1.3 million deaths across the world, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

Jimbuna

11-16-20, 08:37 AM

German Chancellor Angela Merkel will urge regional leaders to adopt these measures nationally: mask-wearing in schools at all times for teachers and all age groups; smaller class sizes; individuals from one household should meet publicly with no more than two from another household – the current limit is 10. Germany is already under partial lockdown, with bars, restaurants and entertainment venues shut.

There is some encouraging news from France, which remains under a strict lockdown. Health Minister Olivier Véran says the infection rate has fallen in the past 10 days, “which suggests we have passed a peak in the epidemic”, but he warned: "We have not won against the virus yet"

In Russia, official data indicates a new record number of new cases in the past 24 hours: 22,778 – a quarter of whom were asymptomatic. It brings the Russian total to nearly two million, and more than 33,000 have died.

Radio Sweden reports that 13 of Sweden's 40 mink farms now have coronavirus outbreaks, but the government does not plan to shut down the mink fur industry.

In Denmark, a mass cull is under way in mink farms.

A full lockdown takes effect in Austria from midnight. Households will be restricted to meeting just one person from another household. All schools will shut. Only essential shops, medical facilities and public transport will remain open - nearly all other public places will shut.

Greece has shut all schools until December, in a further lockdown tightening. It already has a night curfew.

India has announced a new 12-point plan in the capital Delhi, including more ICU beds and doubling the amount of testing, to tackle a growing number of cases.

Jimbuna

11-16-20, 08:41 AM

Moderna sits in Oxford, Massachusettes. :O:

Oxford University ya daft bugga :)

mapuc

11-16-20, 09:03 AM

Adding a little more information on the Mink-gate here in Denmark

Have only taken a part of the article

"On Saturday, Ekstra Bladet(Danish tabloid paper) was able to tell how the Army last week trooped up in full combat uniform on the mink breeder Torben Glassau Jensen's farm in Juelsminde.

Now the case has consequences for Minister of Defense Trine Bramsen (S), who has been called in consultation by the Conservative People's Party.

This is what the party's political spokesman, Marcus Knuth, tells Ekstra Bladet.

- One thing is the government's illegal order to kill all mink, sick and healthy. But to send the Army into people's property without legal authority to do so and not withdraw them when one finds out that the order is illegal is a disgrace, Knuth says.
"
As mentioned before, the situation is truly absurd.

Markus

August

11-16-20, 08:33 PM

My wife once lived in Oxford Massachusetts. I took her away to sunny Rehoboth but all that aside, Moderna is based out of Cambridge,....... Massachusetts!

Jimbuna

11-17-20, 07:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiq5ymktg6w

Jimbuna

11-17-20, 08:02 AM

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will announce at 14:20 whether the strictest Covid rules will be imposed in the west of the country.

She said on Monday it was "likely" that some areas would move into level four.

A government minister, Robert Jenrick, says England's post-lockdown tier system is being "reviewed", after an adviser said it may need to be tougher.

The number of weekly deaths in England and Wales mentioning Covid-19 on the death certificate reaches highest level since May.

US President-elect Joe Biden has warned Donald Trump's refusal to hand over power to him in the usual way could cost lives amid the pandemic.

A number of US states have imposed new restrictions as cases in the US top 11 million.

EasyJet has reported its first annual loss in its 25-year history as the pandemic continues to bite deeply into the airline industry.

Jimbuna

11-17-20, 08:08 AM

There have now been more than 55 million coronavirus cases and 1.3 million deaths across the world, according to the latest data collated by Johns Hopkins University.

https://i.postimg.cc/59vkYgS3/111.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Schools and shops classed as non-essential have shut this morning as Austria’s new lockdown rules have come into force. You can only leave home to drive to work, buy basic goods, seek medical care or take exercise. Contact is reserved for relatives who see each other regularly.

An Italian athlete has been fined €400 (£360) for breaking Covid rules after his friend fell into a ravine and died as they ran in mountains near the Swiss border. Simone Massetti, 34, fell 200m (650ft), Corriere della Sera reports. Under current regulations in force in the region, you aren't allowed to travel outside your local area.

Denmark’s political parties have backed the government’s controversial plan to cull the country’s entire mink population. A ban on breeding mink will last until December 2021. But there is still a question mark over the political fate of agriculture minister Mogens Jensen, with one leading political figure calling the mink cull Denmark's biggest political scandal in recent years.

Infections may be falling in Germany but there has been a sharp rise in daily deaths - 267 have been reported in the past 24 hours. Now Chancellor Angela Merkel has warned Germans to avoid any contacts that aren’t absolutely necessary. "Infection numbers aren't growing exponentially anymore, but are still far too high. So we have to reduce contacts," she said this morning.

France has recorded another 508 deaths in 24 hours but Health Minister Olivier Véran says there are signs of improvement. He's held out the hope of relatives meeting up for Christmas, saying this morning: "What we very clearly want is obviously to let France spend Christmas and the New Year with families."

Israel is reopening shopping centres and hotels in the popular winter tourist resorts of Eilat and the southern Dead Sea, as it continues to emerge from its second national lockdown.

Rockstar

11-17-20, 08:14 AM

As of 17 November 2020,

10 908 028 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising

270 664 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising

Skybird

11-17-20, 09:29 AM

Rockstar

11-17-20, 10:21 AM

The differences between European states are huge, it makes little sense only to just add them all together. The EU is no (not yet, and hopefully never) unified state like the US. And it has, more or less, twice as big a population.

Should we compare EU numbers against numbers of the Americas? Would also make no sense.

Does it make since then to ball up 50 individual states into one count?

United States is made up of individual sovereign states with open borders, each state having its own problems and plan to fight COVID.

The E.U. is made up of individual sovereign states with open borders each state having its own problems and plan to fight COVID.

The U.S. has a federal government that collects taxes to aid all the states fight against COVID.

The E.U. has a commission in place that collects membership fees to aid all the states fight against COVID

Not quite twice the size. Take ownership for those disappointing numbers of over 270 thousand dead, everyone else is expected too.

MGR1

11-17-20, 10:52 AM

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will announce at 14:20 whether the strictest Covid rules will be imposed in the west of the country.

She said on Monday it was "likely" that some areas would move into level four.
She's finally done what everyone outside the Clyde Valley has been wanting her to do - clamp down on Glasgow and it's surrounding areas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54974855

She was quick enough to jump on Aberdeen earlier but she's been awfully reluctant to do so in her own back yard.:timeout:

Mike.

Jimbuna

11-17-20, 11:51 AM

^ How can you think that of a First Minister?

Oh, I forgot....she's a politician :03:

Jimbuna

11-17-20, 11:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NNp22POZ_Y

MGR1

11-17-20, 12:17 PM

^ How can you think that of a First Minister?

Oh, I forgot....she's a politician :03:

:D:up:

Mike.

Jimbuna

11-17-20, 12:50 PM

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Jimbuna

11-17-20, 02:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGypHM5ShTM

Skybird

11-17-20, 02:54 PM

................................................."They are harmless, they do nobody anhything, they are just my bodyguards!"

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/harmlos/26633268/2-format1007.jpg

Skybird

11-17-20, 03:01 PM

Does it make since then to ball up 50 individual states into one count?
Yes. It has one national govenrment and is one federla state liek Germany.

Do not try to split hairs here. The US is a nation, the nations in Europe are nations. Germany is a nation. Northrhine-Westphalia or Hamburg (a city state) are no nations. The EU wants to ursurp powers of a supernational "nation" but still is not. North and South America are not one nation.

You want to do compare your states individually? Then compare them to German federal states, our federla states have comparable seats towards Berlin's national government like your states towards Washington. Still, sense that makes not much.

Reece

11-17-20, 10:29 PM

Things have gone bad here in South Australia, from midnight tonight no one is allowed out in the streets without a mask and only to a grocery shop.
All masks gone off the shelves as well as toilet paper again!!:/\\!!
Fancy allowing overseas flights into the state!! :timeout:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-update-adelaide-outbreak/12893146

ET2SN

11-18-20, 02:45 AM

All masks gone off the shelves as well as toilet paper again!!:/\\!!

This is something I just can't figure out. :doh:
I could almost see it back during the first wave, we kinda knew it would be bad and a little panic was expected, but Corona didn't make you poop more (unless we're talking about the beer).

Meanwhile, during this latest surge, my local grocery has learned its lessons from the first wave. :doh: You may not be able to buy a single roll of paper towels or a two pack BUT there is the option of buying The Mega Hoarder's Pallet of paper towels (seriously, think on a scale of large, industrial sized rolls in a pack of at least 18-20). This is great if you're planning to open a car wash, not so great if you just need to clean the counter. :timeout:

I guess someone was expecting this Winter surge. :o But, we know what to expect this time. Washing your hands 80 times a day in scalding water isn't that effective (unless you also have OCD). Washing your hands once a day (whether you need to or not) works better. :yeah:

Submerging the kitchen in bleach, not such a great idea. Keeping the counters clean (once a day) is much more effective.

Skybird

11-18-20, 04:16 AM

This year shows why it is asked too much of polticians to tink longtermed. Countries likie Austria, Germany and some others came out of the first wave in early summer quite well (compared to others), but they refusedto learn the lesson for some shortsighted poltical opportunistic populistic "gains", of various sorts and kinds. Austria went out of it too early, Germany did not use the time to prepare for the to be expected seocnd wave, instead argued that a second wave is uncertain (lets be positive), and so no preparations were taken, although due to the colling weather the second wave of seaosnal flus and infleuncas and historic flus shows that at this time of the year they bite with more power than their first waves during sporing and early summer.

And so we are deeper in it now than before.

Needlessly.

Never trust politicians. Never. Putting trust in polticians and hoping it pays off is like expecting a fish not to swim.

Jimbuna

11-18-20, 06:19 AM

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson will conduct Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) with MPs via video link later, as he continues to self-isolate.

The National Audit Office has accused the government of a lack of transparency over its awarding of £18bn of Covid-related contracts.

The lifting of England's lockdown must be handled better this time round to avoid a surge in Covid cases that could overwhelm the NHS, doctors say.

Residents of level three or level four local authorities in Scotland will be breaking the law from Friday if they make non-essential trips outside their area.

The start of November saw Britain's highest levels of loneliness since the pandemic began, according to Office for National Statistics figures.

The state of South Australia will enter a snap six-day lockdown to curb the spread of a Covid outbreak found days ago, with 36 cases detected.

Tokyo sees record number of new cases with nearly 500 in one day, the biggest daily increase since the pandemic began.

A Covid-19 vaccine developed in China has shown success in mid-stage trials, researchers say.

Senior US Senator Chuck Grassley, who is third in the line of presidential succession, tests positive but says he is feeling well.

Jimbuna

11-18-20, 06:28 AM

French Health Minister Jérôme Salomon says the number of people suffering from depression has doubled between the end of September and November. People struggling financially or those with previous psychological problems have been particularly affected, he says. He’s urged people to keep in touch with family and friends, limit smoking and drinking and not to follow the news constantly. France, meanwhile, has become the first European country to pass two million coronavirus cases, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University.

Czech primary schoolchildren have been off for nearly a month but today the first two years have gone back to class. Face coverings are compulsory for everyone.

Thousands of protesters defied a ban on gatherings in Slovakia last night to protest Covid measures in several cities. They called on Prime Minister Igor Matovic to resign.

Spain’s Madrid region wants pharmacies to test all the capital’s 6.6 million residents for coronavirus by Christmas using antigen tests. But the national government says it could create a “false security” because of the risk of false negatives, and it says pharmacies could be put at risk.

The Dutch health minister wants everyone to take a Covid test on average once a month from next March, whether or not they have symptoms. That would involve 10 million tests a month, he says.

Italy has recorded 731 deaths, the highest daily toll since April. Lombardy in the north has seen a doubling of infections. Meanwhile an Ipsos opinion poll suggests 16% of Italians won’t use a vaccine should it become available in 2021.

A lockdown has also been announced in the Canadian territory of Nunavut- this time for two weeks. More than 60 infections have been confirmed across four communities, following months with no new cases.

In the US, major health organisations have urged President Donald Trump to share key information about the pandemic with President-elect Joe Biden. Senior Republican Senator Chuck Grassley, who is 87 and third in the line of the US presidential succession, has become the latest politician to test positive for the virus. Over 11.3 million Americans have tested positive for the virus, while almost 250,000 people have died. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued emergency authorisation for a rapid self-testing kit to be used at home, although kits will only be available by prescription.

Globally, there have been more than 55 million infections and 1.3 million deaths since the first coronavirus case was identified a year ago.

Jimbuna

11-18-20, 09:22 AM

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Rockstar

11-18-20, 09:56 AM

As of 18 November 2020,

11 120 884 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising.

275 596 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Skybird

11-18-20, 11:20 AM

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

Jimbuna

11-18-20, 11:57 AM

Jimbuna

11-18-20, 12:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFeJ2BqCFY0

Skybird

11-18-20, 05:14 PM

It doesn't bother me what people want to compare each others countries with because there is no two identical in all data available.

The one figure I look at is the total number of deaths. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm the first to admit the UK government isn't many steps above shambolic and useless but I'm of the firm belief there are worse examples out there.
One can add meaning to such comparisons, to assess the validity of national strategies and capacities and handling, by standardizing case nubmers and death number against population size. Means: cases/deaths per 1m, or 100k, for exmaple. Just giving totals leads to - well, to Trumpian propaganda logic, if comparing.

Rockstar

11-18-20, 07:28 PM

Berlin police forcefully disperse protest over virus rules.

Overall, the country has reported about 833,000 coronavirus cases and more than 13,000 virus-related deaths in the pandemic.

German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas reacted sharply to the accusation from some protesters that the measures were akin to the 1933 “Enabling Act,” which allowed the Nazis to enact laws without parliamentary approval.

https://apnews.com/article/berlin-police-disperse-protest-virus-11dfd745d227ea773a9ac62edd2d4a7c

August

11-18-20, 10:55 PM

The one figure I look at is the total number of deaths. Nothing more, nothing less.

Reported deaths or Attributed deaths. Not much consistency there either.

Jimbuna

11-19-20, 06:12 AM

The UK has ended up with one of the worst death rates in the world - coronavirus has killed more than 50,000 people so far.

Italy was the first country hit during Europe’s initial Covid wave and it’s seen another 753 deaths in the 24 hours to last night. The eastern region of Abruzzo has decided to become a “red zone”, joining seven other areas with maximum restrictions.

Austria’s nursing homes have been badly affected by the second wave of the pandemic. In the 40 days up to 12 November, 323 deaths have been recorded – more than half of the country’s 607 fatalities in that time.

Strict Covid measures in the Netherlands that came into force two weeks ago have been relaxed, so museums and swimming pools are reopening today and up to 100 people can now attend funerals.

Cases in Germany have gone up 22,609 in the past 24 hours, close to last week’s peak. The RKI public health agency has appealed to Germans to follow hygiene and distancing measures.

Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo has warned of a Christmas like no other before it. “The last thing we want is a Christmas wave – if we’re not careful at Christmas we’ll endure the consequences three or four weeks later,” he says.

More than 250,000 Americans have now died with coronavirus, making it the highest death toll anywhere in the world. The country has now reported 250,029 deaths and nearly 11.5 million cases, according to Johns Hopkins University. In El Paso, Texas, prison inmates have been recruited to move bodies for $2 (£1.50) an hour at mobile morgues as the hard-hit state struggles to cope with the surge in deaths.

Rockstar

11-19-20, 07:15 AM

From the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control as of 19 November 2020

11, 328, 473cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising

More than 279, 827 Europeans have now died with coronavirus in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising. Making it the highest death toll anywhere in the world.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

11-19-20, 07:28 AM

Rockstar

11-19-20, 07:33 AM

^ So you count 27 different countries all lumped together until you get a higher death rate figure before comparing against one country, namely the US?

Now I realise why the kick back from some members here :nope:

I'm now beginning to wonder if my impartiality has blinded me.

Hey don't look at me I didn't lump them together, the European Centers for Disease Control did. I even posted the link. But if you want to compare 27 individual European states and 50 individual American States I got those numbers too. Long live the Union! :03:

To give you a better idea as to what I mean. You dont live in a place called Europe Union and I dont live in place called United States. I live in Maryland and though similar to the other 49 states. We are governed by citizens of Maryland, a Maryland constitution and a Maryland COVID response plan. The U.S. federal government can only offer suggestions, expertise, funds and equipment IF REQUESTED by the state. The U.S> federal government cannot arbitrarily insert itself into state affairs, it cannot rule by decree or edict over the states. Nor is it the job of the federal government to create and enforce some grand master national response plan all of us are to follow.

From what little I've read the European Union and Schengen area is set somewhat similar. Though it seems to me European states can still lawfully close their borders to each other. We cant.

So, if we are to count by Union and yes the United States is considered a Union. Then according to the European Center for Disease Control. Europe actually leads the world in the total number of COVID related deaths and those numbers are still rising, I've read by 1 death every 17 seconds.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/one-person-every-17-seconds-dies-covid-19-europe-warns/

Jimbuna

11-19-20, 09:00 AM

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Skybird

11-19-20, 11:39 AM

Hey don't look at me I didn't lump them together, the European Centers for Disease Control did. I even posted the link. But if you want to compare 27 individual European states and 50 individual American States I got those numbers too. Long live the Union! :03:

To give you a better idea as to what I mean. You dont live in a place called Europe Union and I dont live in place called United States. I live in Maryland and though similar to the other 49 states. We are governed by citizens of Maryland, a Maryland constitution and a Maryland COVID response plan. The U.S. federal government can only offer suggestions, expertise, funds and equipment IF REQUESTED by the state. The U.S> federal government cannot arbitrarily insert itself into state affairs, it cannot rule by decree or edict over the states. Nor is it the job of the federal government to create and enforce some grand master national response plan all of us are to follow.

From what little I've read the European Union and Schengen area is set somewhat similar. Though it seems to me European states can still lawfully close their borders to each other. We cant.

So, if we are to count by Union and yes the United States is considered a Union. Then according to the European Center for Disease Control. Europe actually leads the world in the total number of COVID related deaths and those numbers are still rising, I've read by 1 death every 17 seconds.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/one-person-every-17-seconds-dies-covid-19-europe-warns/
The EU is no nation. The US is. With a passport from Virgina (is there even one, individual passports for eahc of the 50 states?)you get no Visa to other nations. With a passport from the Us you get a Visa. The EU HQ has less to say on nations' corona' measures than Washington has to say in the union's states' administration.

Thus, one compares nation-wise: the US versus Germany, the UK, Norway, etc. Such comparisons allow conclusion on efficviency of Corona policies, and health systems' and administrators' performance.

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Putting the American death rate in relation to other causes of death in the US:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/18/health/covid-19-deaths-us-250k-trnd/index.html

Rockstar

11-19-20, 12:22 PM

The EU is no nation. The US is. With a passport from Virgina (is there even one, individual passports for eahc of the 50 states?)you get no Visa to other nations. With a passport from the Us you get a Visa. The EU HQ has less to say on nations' corona' measures than Washington has to say in the union's states' administration.

Thus, one compares nation-wise: the US versus Germany, the UK, Norway, etc. Such comparisons allow conclusion on efficviency of Corona policies, and health systems' and administrators' performance.

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Putting the American death rate in relation to other causes of death in the US:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/18/health/covid-19-deaths-us-250k-trnd/index.html

All I can add to that is 'deal with it'. If you don't like it or have a problem with the information then tell your European Center for Disease Control to stop publishing numbers representing the E.U. and E.E.Z. and just like an ostrich sticks his head in the sand it will all go away.

Jimbuna

11-19-20, 02:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kb1exHnDcQ

Jimbuna

11-19-20, 02:18 PM

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Jimbuna

11-19-20, 02:20 PM

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Rockstar

11-20-20, 07:43 AM

From the EUROPEAN Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 20 November 2020,

11 542 665 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising

283 673 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Also in the news: Belgium, where the European Commission is based, has one of the highest Covid-19 infection rates in Europe, with Brussels considered to be a particular hot-spot.

EU Chief Ursula von der Leyen Urges Gradual Lifting of Coronavirus Lockdowns, Warns of a Third Wave.

European Union leaders have also started considering what parts of the population should be vaccinated first.

So can anyone explain who or what 'European Union leaders' are? Are they the elected leader of each state or are they the appointed E.U. commission political bourgeoise?

Jimbuna

11-20-20, 08:23 AM

Infection rates are levelling off in England and Scotland and decreasing in Wales and Northern Ireland, latest data from the Office for National Statistics suggests
The figures cover the week to 14 November, nine days after the second lockdown was introduced in England.

People aged 50-64 in England are being offered free flu jabs from 1 December as part of an expanded winter vaccine scheme.

Just half of close contacts given to England's NHS Test and Trace are being reached in some areas, a BBC investigation has found.

Millions of public sector workers in England face a pay freeze after a huge rise in spending to fight the pandemic.

More than two million people in Scotland are preparing to move to the country's toughest level of coronavirus restrictions.

Northern Ireland is set to face a two-week period of tougher lockdown measures from next Friday.

A "tough" six months lies ahead for Europe, the World Health Organization has warned.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has told Americans to avoid travel for the Thanksgiving holiday amid soaring Covid-19 cases.

Jimbuna

11-20-20, 08:33 AM

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Jimbuna

11-20-20, 12:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYbO7c0Kgyw

Jimbuna

11-20-20, 12:54 PM

Here are the latest daily figures for the number of coronavirus cases and deaths across the UK:

In Scotland, there have been a further 1,018 cases and 32 deaths
In Wales, there have been a further 1,020 cases and 31 deaths
In Northern Ireland, there have been a further 369 cases and 12 deaths
Meanwhile, NHS England announced a further 326 patients who tested positive for the virus have died.

Catfish

11-20-20, 01:00 PM

[...] So can anyone explain who or what 'European Union leaders' are? Are they the elected leader of each state or are they the appointed E.U. commission political bourgeoise?
Elected leaders of each state do what leaders of a state do, and do not order what 27 nations have to do. The EU is not a government but a loose trade union.

B.t.w. how's that pandemic task force in the US going?

Rockstar

11-20-20, 01:36 PM

A loose trade union, are you kidding me? :har:

A loose trade union involved in making decisions who gets vaccinated first? We have trade unions here too but they don't print their own money or have their own center for disease control or agencies that regulate borders, monetary policy, security, domestic and foreign policies. That doesn't sound like a loose trade union that sounds almost exactly like our own federal government. All it needs now is an army.

Catfish

11-20-20, 01:54 PM

:06:
The EU is helping countries to prepare their vaccination campaigns, who should be vaccinated first, how to have a fair distribution and how to protect the most vulnerable. It is about recommendations based on best practice experience.

"Member States should now start preparing a common vaccination strategy for vaccine deployment.
Member States should, among others, ensure:
capacity of vaccination services to deliver COVID-19 vaccines, including skilled workforce and medical and protective equipment;
easy and affordable access to vaccines for target populations;
deployment of vaccines with different characteristics and storage and transport needs, in particular in terms of cold chain, cooled transport and storage capacity;
clear communication on the benefits, risks and importance of COVID-19 vaccines to build public trust."

"All Member States will have access to COVID-19 vaccines at the same time on the basis of population size. The overall number of vaccine doses will be limited during the initial stages of deployment and before production can be ramped up. The Communication therefore provides examples of unranked priority groups to be considered by countries once COVID-19 vaccines become available, including:

healthcare and long-term care facility workers;
persons over 60 years of age;
persons whose state of health makes them particularly at risk;
essential workers;
persons who cannot socially distance;
more disadvantaged socio-economic groups."

And so on. No doubt some national leaders will prioritise who will be vaccinated first in their country. Poland, Romania and Hungary come to mind..

Rockstar

11-20-20, 02:09 PM

:06:
The EU is helping countries to prepare their vaccination campaigns, who should be vaccinated first, how to have a fair distribution and how to protect the most vulnerable. It is about recommendations based on best practice experience.

"Member States should now start preparing a common vaccination strategy for vaccine deployment.
Member States should, among others, ensure:
capacity of vaccination services to deliver COVID-19 vaccines, including skilled workforce and medical and protective equipment;
easy and affordable access to vaccines for target populations;
deployment of vaccines with different characteristics and storage and transport needs, in particular in terms of cold chain, cooled transport and storage capacity;
clear communication on the benefits, risks and importance of COVID-19 vaccines to build public trust."

Yep sound familiar. Here the state, if they request it, can receive assistance from the federal government its why we pay taxes and you pay membership fees to the Union. But its still the responsibility of each state to develop and administer COVID response and vaccination programs. Like I said only thing you lack is an army.

You know what they say: Imitation is the highest form of compliment. hehehe

Catfish

11-20-20, 02:57 PM

^ :haha: ok

mapuc

11-20-20, 04:37 PM

Elected leaders of each state do what leaders of a state do, and do not order what 27 nations have to do. The EU is not a government but a loose trade union.

This is not actually true.

Heard in the Danish news some days ago. The help package the Danish parliament agreed on in March hasn't yet been payed. The reason to this is EU. EU has to approve this. Something with it's illegal for a state to support a company, which is not the case here.

Same story in Sweden

It's the bigger companies who is waiting for this economical help from their government and which EU has to approve.

(I could have heard it wrong)

Markus

Catfish

11-20-20, 04:48 PM

^ no, you maybe right, i do not know :hmmm:

Catfish

11-20-20, 04:50 PM

German corona spot: "Heroes". We shall build a memorial :O:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZgmIx3FmKc

mapuc

11-20-20, 04:55 PM

^ no, you maybe right, i do not know :hmmm:

Made a check-up and it looks like EU have approved this

So it was me who had misunderstood what they said in the news.

But the main thing is EU have to approve what the government do in their own national parliament.

Markus

Catfish

11-20-20, 05:01 PM

mapuc

11-20-20, 05:22 PM

Does not look as if it was forced on Denmark?
"The EU already has an agreement in place with the two companies, and Denmark has now decided to join the union’s acquisition programme for the vaccines, health minister Magnus Heunicke confirmed in a Twitter post."

Yes Denmark is also a part of this vaccine program. It was not exactly what I tried to tell. I tried to tell when it comes to economy, the member states has lost a lot of their sovereignty, I think the number 90 % have been mentioned.

Markus

Rockstar

11-20-20, 08:35 PM

Rome bar bans virus talk

https://s.france24.com/media/display/170ee298-2b2e-11eb-8eeb-005056a964fe/w:980/p:16x9/3fb7e3de3b29ef15ff1786c212475dff2611b43d.webp
The message is clear from the hand-written poster above the counter -- all talk of coronavirus, lockdowns or virology is strictly forbidden.

"It's not at all about denial, or not understanding the difficulty of what the world is going through, but just about giving yourself a break," Mattioli said.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20201120-rome-bar-bans-virus-talk

Rockstar

11-21-20, 07:01 AM

From the agency of an organization that's able to make people believe its just a loosely based trade union which also happens to have its own geographical continental borders, laws, domestic & foreign policy, its own passport and currency, and collects and redistributes the wealth of others and imposes itself as the supreme law of the land. (nothing to see here folks) :D

COVID-19 situation update for the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 21 November 2020

11 752 298 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising making it the second highest anywhere in the world.

288 444 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising making it the highest anywhere in the world

ECDC will switch to a weekly reporting schedule for the COVID-19 situation worldwide and in the EU/EEA and the UK from December this year. All daily updates will be discontinued from then. Additional details about the implementation of this change will be communicated on this website in due course.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

11-21-20, 08:15 AM

US President Donald Trump's oldest son has tested positive for coronavirus, according to his spokesman.

Donald Trump Jr, 42, was diagnosed at the start of this week and has been quarantining at his hunting cabin since the result, the spokesman said.

"He's been completely asymptomatic so far and is following all medically recommended Covid-19 guidelines," according to the statement.

Don Jr is the second of the president's children to test positive.

Barron Trump, 14, was also diagnosed last month, but made a swift recovery.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55024888

Hopefully he'll pull through as did his father and brother before him.

Jimbuna

11-21-20, 08:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5QkrSfI0lI

Jimbuna

11-21-20, 02:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy5C7doU-dk

mapuc

11-21-20, 04:39 PM

Where's there a psychiatrist/psychologist when you need one

This went through my mind when I sad and heard this night talk radio.

Between 12 am and 3 am people can call the host and talk about everything.

When I turned the radio on, the hos had just said goodbye to a listerne and then some music. A woman phoned in.

I can't remember every word she said, but she is in deep need of professional help.

One sentence do I remember.

She said:
"I will warn my fellow Danes not to take this vaccine, it contain body parts from unborn children"

After they had spoken, the host said none of what she has said is true-which is correct.

My comment is corona related though she only talked about corona and the bible(Jesus)

Markus

Buddahaid

11-21-20, 04:51 PM

Of course it does and it makes you younger too....

Rockstar

11-22-20, 07:57 AM

Update from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 22 November 2020,

11 921 491 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising

291 401 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising

Skybird

11-22-20, 08:45 AM

German corona spot: "Heroes". We shall build a memorial :O:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZgmIx3FmKc
Oh that kitschy pathos.

Ich könnt Bauklötze kotzen...

Maybe I should join one of these crazy demonstrations, just to make known how much this government's attitude pisses.

But why should I when I have General Topics instead? :O:

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Recently, one stupid 22 year old girly stepped onto a stage and compared herseolf to Sophie Scholl and the White Rose. One stwarts bacme so furoous that he broke her off and said he do not want to be stewart for an event of stupids anymore.

Sophie Scholl? I think if people need to link temselves to the worst of times and the most daring of self-sacrificing fighters aginst evil and wrong (while all the time risking nothing themselves and just being whiningly and comfortably suzrrounded by their luxury), people who put their lives on a knife's edge (and knew it and still refused to give up and fall back) - , this maybe expresses how empty and dull and bored and meaningless many people's life has become, and how little orientation for craving for higher goals there is left. They cannot appreciate the luxury and well-being and peace anymore that they happen to have been born into. Maybe people then indeed are best served to be challenged to the very core of their existence, seeking a duel on life and death, a battle that rattles them up to their core and needs them to fight for mere survival, I really don't know. Because they are so dull and bored that no other stimulus can reach them and make them feel alive anymore. Not to mention that they have no clu on what risk and danger and putting your life at risk really means. Isn't the state freeing them from all these burdens...?

Can it get any more perverse?

Skybird

11-22-20, 09:11 AM

Must be a bruise for the patriotic ego to admit that the US is seriously underperforming in the battle against Covid-19, still I do not let get Rockstar off the hook when he tries to rewrite the numbers with Trumpian redesign of statistics. Not districts and federal states of a national union are compared, but nations. Thats why you find no mentionings in these international lists for Northrhine-Westphalia or Bavaria, like you find none for Texas or California: they all are no nations.

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For a health system as over-expensive as the American one, and with that much self-praise given in advance, that simply is not good enough, in no way. Its desastrous. And Trump's man-eating Corona-policies, or better anti-policies, added to the mess tremendously.

But hey, as I understand it he is on his way to become the first orange-coloured Tiger Woods in the history of Gold.

Ah, Golf, I meant.

Rockstar

11-22-20, 09:27 AM

Must be a bruise for the patriotic ego to admit that the US is seriously underperforming in the battle against Covid-19, .

Nope, not at all.

Jimbuna

11-22-20, 09:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWFFREep6tQ

Jimbuna

11-22-20, 09:43 AM

Banning Christmas will lead to people holding illegal celebrations, warns Sage scientist.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-covid-uk-news-cases-update-deaths-latest/

Too bleedin true and in the rest of the western world I should imagine.

Jimbuna

11-22-20, 09:51 AM

Rockstar

11-22-20, 10:39 AM

Risk assessment on COVID-19, 23 October 2020

Countries with an epidemiological situation ‘of serious concern’

According to the latest data available to ECDC, the countries whose rates and/or trends cause them to be categorised as of serious concern include Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Denmark, France, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom. These countries have been categorised as ‘of serious concern’ on account of having high or increasing case notification rates and/or test positivity ≥3%, as well as high notification rates in the older age groups and/or high mortality rates. Germany is also included in this group of countries with an epidemiological situation ‘of serious concern’. The country also has increasing notification rates in the elderly, however due to technical issues, age-specific notification rates could not be reported through TESSy.

Looks like the European Union will surpassing the the big 300 thousand death rate later today or tomorrow.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/current-risk-assessment-novel-coronavirus-situation

Interesting due to technical issues Germany cant give the the real numbers. Has this been fixed yet?

Skybird

11-22-20, 12:11 PM

Pencils and Fax in use over here, what to expect. The RKI is a department of the health ministry.

Internet, digital infrastructure and cellphone network availability and stability in Germany are below average in the industrialised world.

But hey we have killed nuclear powerplants and want to kill the few - already too few - remaining cold-start-capable oil and gas powerplants as well! :yeah: Nothing saves the planet better than having a catastrophic power blackout throughout the country and the continent and not being able to relaunch once the hardware got fixed again.

Skybird

11-22-20, 12:14 PM

I presume the tables are from the site linked to below.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si
Yes, I forgot to post the link. The tables are pretty much unmistakable and well known by now, however.

Screenshots showed tables of today.

Jimbuna

11-22-20, 12:19 PM

Yes, I forgot to post the link. The tables are pretty much unmistakable and well known by now, however.

Screenshots showed tables of today.

They must be updated regularly then because I've just checked and many have changed.

Skybird

11-22-20, 12:40 PM

They must be updated regularly then because I've just checked and many have changed.
Several times per day, AFAIK.

Mr Quatro

11-22-20, 12:52 PM

I think we can safely state that someone is lying :o

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg/35px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg.png

China 86,431 cases 4,634 deaths 81,481 recovered

Bolivia 143,922 cases 8,904 deaths 119,180 recovered

Jimbuna

11-22-20, 12:55 PM

Oh most definitely....I've said from day one that the Chinese can't be believed but for some unfathomable reason I can't adequately explain I feel inclined to believe the Russian figures.

Mr Quatro

11-22-20, 03:29 PM

This is an eye opener :o

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/us-coronavirus-nearly-a-quarter-of-all-the-coronavirus-cases-were-reported-in-november/ar-BB1bfpWh?ocid=BingNews

Nearly a quarter of all Covid-19 cases reported in the US were recorded just in November, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

Buddahaid

11-22-20, 03:50 PM

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days

Skybird

11-23-20, 05:42 AM

Astra Zeneca has announced its vaccine, rating it with a 70% protection after the firts shot (a half-dose) and 90% with the seocnd shot one month later ( a full dose).

It is NO mRNA vaccine. Its based on a reduced influenza virus attacking chimps.

Older people are said to tolerate it better.

It can be stored at 2-8°C, a great logisical advanatge.

What they donot tell is that the dvelopment was not as smooth as they now make everybody believed. In an early testing ohase, a quarter of subjects showed so seriosu side effects ans symptoms that they had to break off, later in phase 2 I think they had one case with so severe symptoms that the continuation of he trila was internatonally interurted for severla days, with the link to the vaccine even initially being denied (they could not uphold that cover story, however, and later amditted that the patient suffere from the vaccine for sure).

Positive I see it that we now have a candidate for s shot that is no mRNA vaccine. I will not trust the mRNA class of vaccines until we have had several years of long time experience with them. These cannot be simlated and time.compressed in the lab, thats why we do not and will not know before the time has passed.

Skybird

11-23-20, 06:57 AM

Immune system and Corona. Must not be explained, eh?

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2708794&postcount=22

Jimbuna

11-23-20, 06:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdAPgglDJAU

Jimbuna

11-23-20, 07:01 AM

A coronavirus vaccine developed by the University of Oxford stops 70% of people from developing symptoms, a large-scale trial shows.

Other vaccines showed 95% protection but the Oxford jab is cheaper and easier to store and distribute.

Boris Johnson praised scientists and volunteers for the trial's "fantastic" results.

The UK prime minister will explain the detail of England's return to the "three tier system" when lockdown ends on 2 December at 15:30 GMT

Parts of the system will be tougher, but gyms and shops will reopen and a closing time curfew for pubs and restaurants will be eased.

UK-wide coronavirus rules on gatherings and travel over Christmas are still yet to be confirmed.

Meanwhile, Germany's chancellor Angela Merkel has raised concerns about the world's poorest securing access to Covid-19 vaccines.

There have been more than 58.6m virus cases and 1.3m Covid-19 deaths across the globe, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

11-23-20, 07:06 AM

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Rockstar

11-23-20, 08:19 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

an agency of a loosely based trade union that also happens to have its own space program and fishing regulations like other nation states.

As of 23 November 2020,

12 051 640 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising

293 544 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK rising

looks like the 300,000 death tally will not be reached today.

Skybird

11-23-20, 09:21 AM

Reported Cases and Deaths by Country, Territory, or Conveyance

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Skybird

11-23-20, 10:17 AM

A coronavirus vaccine developed by the University of Oxford stops 70% of people from developing symptoms, a large-scale trial shows.

Other vaccines showed 95% protection but the Oxford jab is cheaper and easier to store and distribute.

Two more advantages: the Oxford jab costs only a fraction of the vaccines by Biontech/Pfizer, and Moderna, and the British have already build a strong alliance with production partners across the globe, making their jab probably the one that will indeed become the "vaccine for the hugh crowds and masses " around the globe. They are partnering with over 20 production sites outisde Britian around the globe.

Jimbuna

11-23-20, 12:16 PM

Two more advantages: the Oxford jab costs only a fraction of the vaccines by Biontech/Pfizer, and Moderna, and the British have already build a strong alliance with production partners across the globe, making their jab probably the one that will indeed become the "vaccine for the hugh crowds and masses " around the globe. They are partnering with over 20 production sites outisde Britian around the globe.

Yes, I think it is beginning to look that way but I'm hopeful Boris won't be like another leader we all know and decide BRITAIN FIRST to the potential detriment of other countries.

Rockstar

11-23-20, 12:22 PM

Europe's Death Rate Over 3 Times Higher Than the U.S., as COVID Surges Globally

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/europes-death-rate-over-3-times-higher-than-the-us-as-covid-surges-globally/ar-BB1bbc0W

Europe accounts for 28 percent of global cases and 26 percent of deaths cumulatively in the region," said Kluge. "That is one person dying every 17 seconds." He then noted that death rates increased by 18 percent since last week.

Wow so much going on over there. Very disappointing, shameful really. Looking at European CDC, deaths have risen by 2,143 since yesterdays numbers.

Jimbuna

11-23-20, 12:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H2c0Zm6PFw

Rockstar

11-24-20, 07:45 AM

Data from European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 24 November 2020,

12,187,608 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising

297,248 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising
An increase of 3,704 additional deaths since yesterday? That doesn't sound right.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

11-24-20, 07:51 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_3bRvsjvy0

Jimbuna

11-24-20, 07:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAvnAkAMmmM

Rockstar

11-24-20, 08:11 AM

News I read was Oxford/Astrazeneca is on hold in the U.S. until further testing. However the Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna are a go. All three I hear require two doses. However the fear is side effects may stop some people from getting the second. Estimated cost for each dose by manufacture is $4.00/$15.00/$19.00. Expecting immunization to begin in the U.S mid-December.

Jimbuna

11-24-20, 09:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5DojKdL5dw

Jimbuna

11-24-20, 09:43 AM

Matt Hancock has been taking questions at a joint session of the Health and Social Care Committee and Science and Technology Committee.

He defends NHS test-and-trace, saying it was not to blame for the second lockdown.

The health secretary also says the UK should be "getting back to normal" after Easter.

A meeting of the government's Cobra committee will be held this afternoon to discuss restrictions for the UK over Christmas.

Earlier, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said the UK nations were "very close" to agreeing a co-ordinated response and an announcement would be made this week.

Mr Shapps added that people should plan journeys carefully and consider not travelling at Christmas at all.

People arriving in England will be soon able to reduce their quarantine period if they pay for a Covid test.

Globally, the world's most vulnerable must not be "trampled in the stampede" for vaccines, the World Health Organization warns.

The developers of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine say it will be sold internationally for less than $20 (£15)

Jimbuna

11-24-20, 12:11 PM

An advisor to US President-elect Joe Biden on Covid-19 has warned that the US remains in a phase of "uncontrollable spread" of the virus which will take weeks to reverse.

Dr Atul Gawande told the BBC there would soon be 2,000 deaths a day, which could have been avoided by enforcing basic safety measures. He said many hospitals were overwhelmed and critically short of staff, just as infections were exploding.

However, Dr Gawande said behaviour was starting to change and the US was now on a path to recovery.

This week millions of Americans are defying warnings against travel and instead are flying across the US to join family or friends for Thanksgiving on Thursday. The travel has prompted concerns the pandemic will further worsen.

On Monday the country reported a further 150,000 cases, according to the Covid Tracking Project. How to manage the pandemic has become a strongly politicised issue. On Tuesday Republican Senator Ted Cruz caused controversy by suggesting Americans defy advice to celebrate Thanksgiving virtually.
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Mr Quatro

11-24-20, 12:15 PM

I don't like the sound of this virus shot that is just now getting approved. I think I'll wait till they won't let me travel without proof of the shot :o

Doctors urge CDC to be transparent about possible vaccine side effects

https://www.kctv5.com/coronavirus/doctors-urge-cdc-to-be-transparent-about-possible-vaccine-side-effects/article_f6dfb84c-2dff-11eb-a3db-1f989aa956e5.html

Both Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines require two shots, given a few weeks apart.

CNBC is reporting that physicians who were on a call with the CDC officials say that public health officials and drug makers need to be transparent about possible side effects that some may experience with the vaccine. Doctors believe that effective communication will help encourage people to return to get their second shot.

Both Pfizer and Moderna acknowledge that their vaccines could cause muscle pain, chills, a headache, and some may not feel good for a day. However, in order for the vaccine to be effective, it is critically important that people return for their second dose.

Two (2) shots???

Jimbuna

11-24-20, 12:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVTPtM6LzqU

Jimbuna

11-24-20, 12:26 PM

Prof Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence-based Medicine at Oxford University, reflects on the falling number of cases in England

"If the trend continues it will be hard to justify tougher tiered restrictions come the 2 December," he says, when England comes out of lockdown.

There were a further 11,299 cases of people testing positive for coronavirus on Tuesday.

After the first peak in April, cases started rising in the UK again in July, with the rate of growth increasing sharply in September and October.

However, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said latest figures suggest "the second peak is flattening".

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mapuc

11-24-20, 12:33 PM

The little knowledge I have on vaccine and the development of such, is it takes times. Can take up to 10 years(if I remember correctly)

It's especially phase 3 that takes a lot of time.

Now with this Corona Pandemic it's looks like they have skipped some of the chain in the development and I hope the vaccine doesn't kick back after some years.

In the beginning and the first 1-2 years there's no side effect and then they start to pop-up.

Markus

Jimbuna

11-24-20, 12:41 PM

^ I know what you mean Markus but at least it is now looking like people have a choice and especially those who have serious underlying medical conditions meaning if they caught the virus they'd be at high risk of dying.

Rockstar

11-24-20, 12:47 PM

I don't like the sound of this virus shot that is just now getting approved. I think I'll wait till they won't let me travel without proof of the shot :o

Doctors urge CDC to be transparent about possible vaccine side effects

https://www.kctv5.com/coronavirus/doctors-urge-cdc-to-be-transparent-about-possible-vaccine-side-effects/article_f6dfb84c-2dff-11eb-a3db-1f989aa956e5.html

Two (2) shots???

Yep two shots about a month apart. The thing is intelligent people are already aware almost all medicines have side effects. Here the CDC isnt urging doctors and manufacturers to be more transparent because they believe they are trying to hide something. Its more for the reason that dumb people dont think to look up the information for themselves. So when they feel muscle pain, chills, a headache, and just like crap for a day they dont go into panic mode.

Most people who get the flu after getting the flu shot dont realize it wasn't from the shot. They were infected by the person who already had the flu that was standing in line with you at the doctors office. I would be more concerned with the isolation procedures in place for people waiting to get immunized.

Mr Quatro

11-24-20, 01:23 PM

Yep two shots about a month apart. The thing is intelligent people are already aware almost all medicines have side effects. Here the CDC isnt urging doctors and manufacturers to be more transparent because they believe they are trying to hide something. Its more for the reason that dumb people dont think to look up the information for themselves. So when they feel muscle pain, chills, a headache, and just like crap for a day they dont go into panic mode.

Most people who get the flu after getting the flu shot dont realize it wasn't from the shot. They were infected by the person who already had the flu that was standing in line with you at the doctors office. I would be more concerned with the isolation procedures in place for people waiting to get immunized.

Your correct Rockstar, but which country will have a mandatory law that you must have proof of a coronavirus shot in order to travel or attend sports events or even get other medical attention at medical facilities, much less buy or sell anything in the market place?

Hawaii already will not let you enter the islands of Hawaii without proof that you are clean of Covid-19. Just one more small step from there to total control of that countries citizens.

Where will it stop?

2020 will be nothing compared to 2021 and beyond :o

Rockstar

11-24-20, 01:52 PM

Its a pandemic and such measures are supposed to be in place to help prevent the spread of the virus. Hawaii is an island State its medical resources do have a limit. And its not like other states in the union, I would think it needs to have stricter measures in place as not all Haole are pasty white anglos from the United States. Many tourists, residents and relatives travel to and fro quite regularly between there and China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam and Malaysia too.

Jimbuna

11-25-20, 06:04 AM

People across the UK are being urged to think carefully before they take advantage of the relaxation of restrictions over Christmas.

Government adviser Prof Andrew Hayward says family gatherings are a "recipe for regret" for people.

The devolved administrations have agreed UK-wide rules to allow families to meet over five days next month.

Three households will be allowed to be in each other's homes between 23-27 December.

The changes will begin a day earlier and last a day longer in Northern Ireland to allow for travel.

The plans have been criticised by pub owners as meet-ups in hospitality venues are banned.

Meanwhile, the UK Chancellor Rishi Sunak is preparing to announce spending plans for the coming year.

The head of the European Commission has said countries could face a third wave if they ease restrictions too early.

Nearly 60 million cases have been confirmed globally with around 1.4 million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

11-25-20, 06:39 AM

Germany's 16 state leaders are set to agree with Chancellor Angela Merkel an extension of the "lockdown light" until 20 Germany, with plans to allow two households with a maximum of five people aged over 14 to celebrate Christmas together. But Germany's daily death toll has hit a new high of 410 in the past 24 hours, almost 100 more than the peak in April.

Italy has reported its highest daily death rate - 853 - since the end of March. But senior health official Franco Locatelli says things are finally moving in the right direction - hospital admissions and intensive care cases are down on last week.

Sweden's health care inspectorate has found "serious shortcomings" in the care of the elderly in nursing homes in recent months. It found that one in five people received no medical examination and one Swedish region prescribed end-of-life treatment for any resident who had Covid symptoms.

There’s good news from Belgium where the number of Covid hospital cases has fallen below 5,000 - and new admissions and new cases have fallen by almost a third in a week.

Spain has seen its first decline in the number of pensioners for 15 years - with 8.8 million people currently registered. The slight fall is down to Covid mortality and an administrative logjam, according to Spanish reports.

Russia has reported its highest number of daily coronavirus-related deaths since the start of the pandemic - 507 - taking its national death toll to 37,538.
The country has seen a rapid surge in virus cases - it has confirmed more than 2.1 million cases - but the authorities have rejected the idea of imposing another national lockdown.

Poland has also had a record daily death toll, 674, and the total number to 14,988. The country currently has the fourth-highest death rate in the EU, according to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.

In Sweden, pharmacies are reporting a rapid increase in face mask sales, despite the country still not officially recommending general usage in public spaces. It follows the announcement of stricter social-distancing recommendations and rules in the country, which has never had a formal lockdown.

Australia's most populous state, New South Wales, is easing lockdown restrictions after going nearly three weeks without a Covid-19 infection. Gatherings of up to 50 people will be allowed outdoors and companies can bring employees back to the office from December.

Singapore has reported no live clusters of Covid-19 cases for the first time since the pandemic began in March. The city-state, which was one of the first to detect cases outside China but has had one of the lowest death rates from the virus, has gone two weeks with no locally-transmitted cases at all.

Cases are spiking in Japan and bars and restaurants in the capital Tokyo are set to reduce their working hours, with residents urged to stay indoors as much as possible, in what the governor called "tough, concerted action" to tackle the rise.