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Jimbuna
07-31-20, 05:43 AM
Separate households are banned from meeting each other indoors in large parts of northern England.
Four million people are hit with the measures, imposed after a spike in coronavirus cases.
UK PM Boris Johnson is to give a briefing at 1200 BST (1100 GMT)
Spain, Italy and France report slumps in their economies as restrictions take their toll.
Vietnam reports its first death, months into the pandemic, amid record new cases.
The WHO is to meet to discuss what more can be done to control the pandemic.
Melbourne in Australia could face further restrictions as cases rise despite a lockdown.
Globally there have been more than 17m cases and nearly 700,000 deaths.
Jimbuna
07-31-20, 05:54 AM
Nearly 800 deaths were reported from India on Thursday, taking the total to more than 35,500, and surpassing Italy to become the country with the fifth-highest number of fatalities.
Tokyo’s governor has said a state of emergency may need to be declared in the Japanese capital if coronavirus cases continue to rise. Japan says it recorded at least 1,305 new coronavirus cases on Thursday, a record daily increase for the second consecutive day.
Vietnam reported 45 new coronavirus infections in the city of Danang, the single biggest rise in cases since the start of its outbreak.
Mexico has posted 639 new coronavirus-related deaths, bringing the country's toll to 46,000, almost equalling that of the UK’s.
The president of the Philippines has extended lockdown restrictions in the capital Manila, saying they will remain in place until mid-August.
Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has said he was taking antibiotics for an infection after testing positive for coronavirus earlier this month.
US President Donald Trump has been rebuked by Republicans for suggesting a delay to November’s presidential election, over concerns about mail-in voting during the pandemic.
Herman Cain, the Republican pizza chain boss who ran for president in 2012, has died after contracting Covid-19.
Jimbuna
07-31-20, 06:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4otDdciULY
Jimbuna
07-31-20, 01:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0nszQtbsfU
Mr Quatro
07-31-20, 02:29 PM
I wonder if Advill added to the liver/kidney problems?
Some people (like me) tried to fight the Covid-19 symptoms using Advill till my doctor said not to take it anymore that it was just an allergy.
Duh? For four (4) months now :hmmm:
The Danish health authorities have change their mind regarding mask and gloves.
Now they say it would be a good thing to wear mask and gloves in public traffic or places if it's crowded.
Markus
Skybird
07-31-20, 02:57 PM
Gloves? What are these going to do? Smear infection with gloves on or off are not different. And wearing rubb er gloves even is a hygienics nightmare on the sweating skin. I stick with always having a little flask with virus-destroying hand-desinfectant with me - and making lots of use of it.
Gloves? What are these going to do? Smear infection with gloves on or off are not different. And wearing rubb er gloves even is a hygienics nightmare on the sweating skin.
Sorry my mistake.
After having read your comment I went by some Danish newspaper and it's only the mask, they want us to use in public traffic and areas.
I was sure they also mentioned gloves in the news-Well they didn't.
Markus
em2nought
07-31-20, 03:50 PM
I wonder if Advill added to the liver/kidney problems?
Some people (like me) tried to fight the Covid-19 symptoms using Advill till my doctor said not to take it anymore that it was just an allergy.
Duh? For four (4) months now :hmmm:
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere about four months ago that Tylenol was the better choice for Covid-19 https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/coronavirus-and-ibuprofen-what-to-know
Jimbuna
08-01-20, 05:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcT2eYrIBnQ
Jimbuna
08-01-20, 05:29 AM
India has recorded 57,000 new corona virus cases - the highest daily total to date. Maharashtra - home to the financial capital, Mumbai - is still the worst affected state.
In the UK people shielding against coronavirus can now leave their home and return to work.
The US top infectious diseases expert has said he is 'optimistic' a US-developed vaccine will be available by end of 2020
Mexico's coronavirus death toll is now the world's third highest, with only the US and Brazil recording greater numbers.
Millions of Americans are set to lose a $600 benefit after US politicians failed to agree a deal on its extension.
The elderly leader of a South Korean sect has been arrested for allegedly obstructing a tracing investigation.
Skybird
08-01-20, 05:56 AM
Berlin today: demonstration against any anti-corona-rules including masks, social distancing - everything should be quit immediately.
https://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/crop12272426/2365984153-cfreecrop_21_9-w975-h415-otx0_y118-q75-p5/demonstration-gegen-66172378.jpg
If I were a nurse, this day at the latest would be the day when I would quit with immediate effect. Self-respect would command so.
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Jimbuna
08-01-20, 07:00 AM
^ Irresponsible and idiotic.
Skybird
08-01-20, 10:23 AM
"I have been in the middle of earthquakes, in the middle of bombings, in the middle of tsunamis, I haved been in every kind of catastrophe you can imagine. And by far, this is the worst. And this is the worst because it is a continuous situation. And what is probably the most disappointing thing, the thing that anoys me the most, is that we keep on doing our best to save all these people, and then you get another batch of people that arte doing exactly the opposite of what you are telling them not to do. I am pretty much fightign two wars, a war against Covid, and a war against stupdity."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaZ-azLBHfk
And one of the viewers' comments:
"Even if all of the science is wrong, wearing a mask is not giving up civil liberties like we did during the Patriot Act."
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Jimbuna
08-01-20, 11:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBifblbZcu8
Jimbuna
08-02-20, 10:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MoPER6NxPk
Just a follow-up on Interferon (Beta):
I know an ex-submariner who's been injecting Interferon for over ten years.
He's pretty sure he has the virus but the symptoms are mild so far, at least they feel mild. Uh, so he tells me.. :oops:
So much for that theory.. :hmph:
Jimbuna
08-02-20, 01:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAO60IU8dxQ
Mr Quatro
08-02-20, 03:40 PM
Dr. John Campbell now says the virus has migrated to the heart and that a damaged heart can't recover, but the liver and the lungs can, at least the ones in your body.
You can get a heart transplant of course, but the waiting list must be much longe than the expected treatment.
Did you know that Carrol Shelby had a heart transplant that lasted over 25 years? :yep:
Catfish
08-02-20, 03:45 PM
A friend of ours is 21 years old, she has just lost one lung to the virus and needs a transplant.
I mean she is 21 years old.
Even if a transplant works, it only does for a while. The immuno-suppression drugs you have to swallow for not losing it intentionally destroys your immunosystem. The level or stage of transplanting techniques is not good enough by far.
Skybird
08-03-20, 05:37 AM
The regional airport of ours, FMO (Flughafen Münster-Osnabrück) reports that 2.5% of their tourists returning from tourist hotspots in Europe and undergoing now mandatory testing at the airport, have tested positive.
Two point five percent. :doh:
I will never understand how they oculd have thought it reaosnable to allow travelling this summer season. Belgium has simply banned it for many European destinations.
Cruise ships of the Aida fleet wanted to relaunch with short in-cycles cruises in the Baltic and the North Sea, lasting 3-4 days, and no stops in harbours and no land visits. Not even debating the attraction of paying plenty of money for such a trip, the attempt, for the time beign at least, has been cancelled-. They let crews fly in from South East asia, and quite some of them tested positive, which they tried to sell as a success story. They planned I think four such cruises, but all have been cancelled. There also was the news that cruise ships from Germany wanted permission to anchor in destinations in Italy, and were denied. - That business is to change dramatically, I think. Many things will change dramatically. Gastronomy... On the other hand, it could and probably will mean that good times are ahead for local and national tourism destinations and holiday models.
Skybird
08-03-20, 05:41 AM
Dr. John Campbell now says the virus has migrated to the heart and that a damaged heart can't recover, but the liver and the lungs can, at least the ones in your body.
You can get a heart transplant of course, but the waiting list must be much longe than the expected treatment.
Did you know that Carrol Shelby had a heart transplant that lasted over 25 years? :yep:
To say that liver and lungs can recover, is misleading. It depends. Many such damages last for life. For example fibrosis in the lungs is irreversible.
We seem to have understood now that this virus is one of those real diabolic buggers that can attack just every kind of cells and tissues to be found in the human body - everything. Not many virusses are this omnipotent. It can even make the immune system its ally in overwhelming the body and infecting cells in organs, not to mention an immune system firing with all weapons easily can destroy the body by the much-feared cytokine storm (this is why modulating the immune response so that not inflammatory but non-inflammatory cytokines get released by the immune system, is so important). We have no confirmed, verified data on post-covid-"fatigue" going by and going over, and how long it takes, but this exhaustion still is one of the more harmless consequences Covid can have even if you do not go to hospital. Every symptom formed by the virus in any organ, can last temporarily - or forever.
So, there is no basis for claiming that lungs and liver recover, always. Often, they do not, it seems. Already two months ago somebody at the Imperial College I think, showed a model in which they had calculated out age and health conditions as factors for the lethality of Covid-19, leading them to conclusions that people entering hospitals at some point of their disease, if you delete age and health conditions from the formula, lead to men loosing 13 and women loosing 11 years of life expectancy due to Covid, even if they survive and are counted as "fully recovered".
We maybe see the total death toll of Covid not before 12-14 years from now on then.
Skybird
08-03-20, 06:01 AM
The regional airport of ours, FMO (Flughafen Münster-Osnabrück) reports that 2.5% of their tourists returning from tourist hotspots in Europe and undergoing now mandatory testing at the airport, have tested positive.
Correction, my memory fooled me. Not just the FMO airport is meant, but 2.5% of tourists at ALL airports in Northrhine-Westphalia report 2.5% of tests being positive. That includes the big hubs at Düsseldorf and Köln.
Skybird
08-03-20, 08:54 AM
Norwegian Hurtigrouten also faces a failed relaucnha ttemnpt. after infections amongst crews and passengers, the ocean carrier shut down again and cancelled all trips.
Correction, my memory fooled me. Not just the FMO airport is meant, but 2.5% of tourists at ALL airports in Northrhine-Westphalia report 2.5% of tests being positive. That includes the big hubs at Düsseldorf and Köln.
2.5 % of how many ?
How many is transiting these airports each day ?
Markus
Skybird
08-03-20, 11:54 AM
I dont know. But its summer holiday season. Season ends in the first federal states today.
Now they open up all schools.
Jimbuna
08-03-20, 12:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJKgUc3NzUo
Jimbuna
08-03-20, 12:46 PM
New tests for Covid-19 and flu that can give results in 90 minutes are to be rolled out in the UK next week.
While hopes for a vaccine are strong, there may never be a "silver bullet" for the coronavirus, the WHO warns.
The pandemic is likely to be "lengthy", the UN health agency says, and response fatigue is a risk.
Infections in the Australian state of Victoria are surging - many businesses to close under new lockdown.
UK firm Hays Travel has said up to 878 employees out of 4,500 may lose their jobs because of the pandemic.
Diners at UK restaurants to get 50% off meals as "Eat Out to Help Out" scheme launches.
Manchester, in northern England, declares a major incident after a rise in the infection rate.
Globally, more than 18 million infections and 689,000 deaths have been recorded - Johns Hopkins University.
Mr Quatro
08-03-20, 12:52 PM
While hopes for a vaccine are strong, there may never be a "silver bullet" for the coronavirus, the WHO warns.
I thought it was just fear, but I've been thinking the same thing (on my own of course) :D
Bill Gates, whom I have never trusted (due to Microsoft software making money while we do all of the work) has indicated that he thinks it will take as many as three shots to get ready for Covid-19 season (which has no season as yet) :yep:
Skybird
08-04-20, 03:54 AM
Pet owners can infect their cats and dogs with Corona, but while pets can infect other pets, scientific consensus currently is that the infection does not jump from pet to human (in case of dogs and cats and pet birds). Ill pets suffer predominantly from illness in the respiratory system, it seems.
If you think you got sick, you may want to consider giving your pet to a caretaker, I would conclude, because they did not say in that article whether animals can die or suffer lasting health damage from Corona, and how intense their suffering from that virus can become.
While pets seem to not infect humans, there certainly are other wildlife species out there that can.
Jimbuna
08-04-20, 06:29 AM
India reports 803 deaths and more than 50,000 new cases, the highest total in any country on Monday.
The world's second most populous country has the fifth highest death toll, and continues to try to reopen after lockdown.
The US - which has the highest total cases and deaths in the world - has recorded just over 47,000 cases and 469 deaths, the CDC said.
Australia is imposing strict on-the-spot fines for people who ignore orders to self-isolate.
Current testing and tracing may not prevent new virus wave when UK schools reopen, scientists warn.
Tens of millions of people in the Philippines are back in lockdown after warnings of a surge.
There are now more than 18m confirmed cases across the world, and 693,000 deaths.
Skybird
08-04-20, 08:24 AM
This doctor is certain he has had patients who got infected twice, and he is not alone. He argues also that the wish by some for herd immunity is just dangerous wishful thinking, therefore.
https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity
Recently, hopes in vaccines got muted by several different people as well. There will be no single silver bullet, said the WHO, others estimate we will need several different stabs - per season, the single one omnipotent vaccine maybe will not become real.
Get used to it, this virus came to stay. :arrgh!:
With climate warming, several other diseases will find us here in Europe, too. Thanks to mosquitos.
Jimbuna
08-04-20, 12:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPFsPDm4s-0
The number of infected here in Denmark have gone skyrocket the last few weeks.
A single person is enough.
A Polish worker, arrived from a visit in her/his home country-And now more than 62 of this workers colleagues have been infected. it has also spread to a retirement home in the same city.
In the next biggest city in Denmark Arhus(Århus) more than 104 new cases have been reported sin last week and almost 50 % of these cases is among the Somalians.
Markus
If anyone's keeping score, I think I'm through the worst of it as of today. :Kaleun_Cheers:
It hit me really mild, pretty much stayed confined to my upper sinuses for about a week. Went to sleep for 11 hours last night and woke up like that's perfectly normal. :doh:
Mostly, it felt like a very mild form of a typical flu or a weak-to-moderate cold.
Now comes the Pain In The ### part, I need to stay confined for a while longer.
Try not to read anything into this, I'm pretty sure I was really lucky and I'm still not back to 100%. Just wanted to let y'all know what my experience was/is. :yep:
Skybird
08-04-20, 04:05 PM
Be slow revving up your engines again, give your body and immune system time to get their things sorted. Sleep, eat healthy, avoid smoking and alcohol, and sleep more. :yeah: Start physical tasks moderately once the day has come to do so, you probably will feel it when the time is right. Don't be pushy. :up:
Don't be pushy. :up:
You don't know me very well. :O:
Some things where I think I lucked out:
I got a pneumonia booster shot (vaccine) either last year or the year before? :hmmm:
I take only one "off-label" Rx called Amantadine for fatigue symptoms due to MS, which I haven't had in many years. I had asked my Dr. if I should drop the Rx and he said "Do you still get colds? Keep it active and take it if you feel like you're coming down with something". Good advice. :D By the Rx, I'm only to take one or no more than two pills per day. FWIW, Amantadine is usually prescribed as an anti-bacterial med NOT AN ANTI-VIRAL MED so its mostly a guess if it had any impact. I take one pill a day for two days and then take the third day "off", Amantadine can screw up the healthy bacteria in your digestive system.
FWIW2, I also take meds for high blood pressure and cholesterol daily and I inject Interferon (beta) for MS every other day. Latching on to one or two meds is like reading tea leaves, I only mention them to be complete. I have no way of knowing if they were useful in my situation.
I had three months to get ready. :up: That means setting up a plan of some kind in case I did get sick. It also meant eating healthy, or at least healthier than normal.:oops: I smoke, but I've been able to cut it down to where a pack of cigs lasts me for 3-4 days. Still not healthy, but its manageable.
I took it seriously. I wear a mask now in public areas because I'm probably still capable of infecting other people. :yep: I maintain distance from EVERYONE and I'll tell them why I'm such a snob if they ask- from a distance. :timeout: I usually only have to say it once. :03:
725 new cases overnight in Victoria, not good at all. :timeout:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-worker-permits-melbourne/12524320
tmccarthy
08-04-20, 11:21 PM
If you think you got sick, you may want to consider giving your pet to a caretaker, I would conclude, because they did not say in that article whether animals can die or suffer lasting health damage from Corona, and how intense their suffering from that virus can become.
Thanks for the info. I'm going to make plans for that. If I got sick I probably would not have thought of that.
Skybird
08-05-20, 04:44 AM
You don't know me very well. :O:
Some things where I think I lucked out:
I got a pneumonia booster shot (vaccine) either last year or the year before? :hmmm:
I take only one "off-label" Rx called Amantadine for fatigue symptoms due to MS, which I haven't had in many years. I had asked my Dr. if I should drop the Rx and he said "Do you still get colds? Keep it active and take it if you feel like you're coming down with something". Good advice. :D By the Rx, I'm only to take one or no more than two pills per day. FWIW, Amantadine is usually prescribed as an anti-bacterial med NOT AN ANTI-VIRAL MED so its mostly a guess if it had any impact. I take one pill a day for two days and then take the third day "off", Amantadine can screw up the healthy bacteria in your digestive system.
FWIW2, I also take meds for high blood pressure and cholesterol daily and I inject Interferon (beta) for MS every other day. Latching on to one or two meds is like reading tea leaves, I only mention them to be complete. I have no way of knowing if they were useful in my situation.
I had three months to get ready. :up: That means setting up a plan of some kind in case I did get sick. It also meant eating healthy, or at least healthier than normal.:oops: I smoke, but I've been able to cut it down to where a pack of cigs lasts me for 3-4 days. Still not healthy, but its manageable.
I took it seriously. I wear a mask now in public areas because I'm probably still capable of infecting other people. :yep: I maintain distance from EVERYONE and I'll tell them why I'm such a snob if they ask- from a distance. :timeout: I usually only have to say it once. :03:
Just got told that I may have choosen a wrong word, "pushy". Looking it up, what the dictionary told me was not what I wanted to say, I meant you should not push things too early and then risk a second health issue. Sorry for any irritation I caused!
Just got told that I may have choosen a wrong word, "pushy". Looking it up, what the dictionary told me was not what I wanted to say, I meant you should not push things too early and then risk a second health issue. Sorry for any irritation I caused!
No, I understood your meaning. :yep:
I'm one of the more laid-back people you could meet. I try to walk a bit each day to keep my mobility going but I have no intention to run in a marathon. :up:
Platapus
08-05-20, 06:25 AM
Our office building is locked down for two weeks due to COVID.
The person was not wearing a mask because they "did not feel sick".... until he did. He had just come back from visiting a high risk state and did not feel it was necessary to wear a mask. :doh:
We had just gotten back to limited operations too :nope:
Jimbuna
08-05-20, 06:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23vJ0CME8BI
Jimbuna
08-05-20, 07:02 AM
Lockdown restrictions are being reimposed in Aberdeen due to a coronavirus cluster in the city, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has announced.
She said pubs and restaurants would be closed as part of the measures.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53666665
That won't go down well with some of the Jocks :hmmm:
Better safe than sorry though :yep:
Jimbuna
08-05-20, 08:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GgQHm5SESc
This is going to be a painful journey for many and we have not yet scratched the surface of the subject above. The effects of this may be similar to a tsunami or worse.
Being able to get an overview of the consequences is impossible both in the short and long run.
Mr Quatro
08-05-20, 09:23 AM
I feel sorry for the men and women that have to wear a mask all day :yep:
They probably will suffer mental illness for years from the requirment.
I can't wait to get mine off after just visiting the store :yep:
I had to wear one for hours at the VA and they watch you close too to make sure it's not below your nose. :o
James Lovelock, one of Britain’s greatest scientists, is famous for developing the Gaia hypothesis, which sees the Earth as a self-regulating system.
In his long and influential career, he also revealed the chemicals that were destroying the ozone layer.
He’s just celebrated his 101st birthday and the BBC's chief environment correspondent Justin Rowlatt visited him at his home in Dorset.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/science-environment-53644147/james-lovelock-gaia-theory-creator-on-coronavirus-and-turning-101
101 years young! Fantastic Sir.
Jimbuna
08-05-20, 10:12 AM
I can't wait to get mine off after just visiting the store :yep:
I had to wear one for hours at the VA and they watch you close too to make sure it's not below your nose. :o
I also get that impression when I'm outdoors :yep:
That won't go down well with some of the Jocks :hmmm:
Better safe than sorry though :yep:
Local jungle telegraph says it's all due to one prat on a pub crawl. If true and if his or her name comes out they are going to be soooooo popular.....!:Kaleun_Applaud:
Mike.
Jimbuna
08-05-20, 01:08 PM
Local jungle telegraph says it's all due to one prat on a pub crawl. If true and if his or her name comes out they are going to be soooooo popular.....!:Kaleun_Applaud:
Mike.
Yeah I can imagine :)
If there's one thing I love when it comes to our democracy then it is our right to speak free(under responsibility)
But it makes me sad when I read stuff like.
Do not trust the health authorities-they are lying to you do NOT wear mask.
(read this a few days ago on a friends wall(she had shared it))
Or
It's all a hoax the government is only trying to enforce dictatorship on to us.
Under normal circumstances I would have laughed at it
The problem is, there will be some who believe these author of these conspiracy text.
And it may cost life.
Markus
Mr Quatro
08-05-20, 05:11 PM
But it makes me sad when I read stuff like.
Do not trust the health authorities-they are lying to you do NOT wear mask.
(read this a few days ago on a friends wall(she had shared it))
Or
It's all a hoax the government is only trying to enforce dictatorship on to us.
Yes, me too Markus, but I just ignore it and wonder why they are my friends. :yep:
I think I'll quit FB till after the election ... one of my friends thinks all of this will go away after the election, duh :o
You can't argue sense into them ... this thing is here to stay like a scary movie it's just waiitng for the cure so it can morph :D
Skybird
08-06-20, 02:35 AM
Germany now sees as many new infections per day again as was the case in early May. The numbers have roughly doubled over the past two weeks.
In trains and busses and subways, mask wearing is now being enforced, no more long debates and attempts to argue. You get asked to wear one, if you start games, police fines you 150 Euros on the spot.
Question is if there can be enough police everywhere.
Even in schools in some federal states students need to wear masks now, even during the classes.
I think if aerosols are as danergous as it seems, this all will not be sufficient. It needs technical air cleaning.
In many trains and airplanes, still no virus-filtering HEPA filters are being used, but inferior, cheaper ones.
Facebook and Twitter have penalised Donald Trump and his campaign for posts in which the president claimed children were "almost immune" to coronavirus.
Facebook deleted the post - a clip from an interview Mr Trump gave to Fox News - saying it contained "harmful Covid misinformation".
Twitter followed by saying it had frozen a Trump campaign account until a tweet of the same clip was removed.
US public health advice makes clear children have no immunity to Covid-19.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/67CC/production/_113827562_trumpfox.jpg
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53673797
Jimbuna
08-06-20, 05:36 AM
France, Spain and Greece record their highest number of new cases in weeks.
Facebook and Twitter penalise Donald Trump and his campaign for posts showing "harmful Covid misinformation"
In the UK, 50m face masks bought by the government will not be used in hospitals because of safety concerns.
A fire in a hospital in India kills eight coronavirus patients.
Australia is set to introduce more travel restrictions as it battles a new wave of infections.
Jimbuna
08-06-20, 05:54 AM
The Department for Transport has responded to reports that travellers returning from Belgium will be required to quarantine for 14 days, saying no change in the rules has been confirmed.
There is growing speculation that the reopening date for indoor pubs in Northern Ireland that only sell alcohol will be delayed. The chief medical officer has advised that so-called "wet bars" should not reopen on Monday as planned.
A coronavirus test will be mandatory for all arrivals to Germany from Saturday, the country’s health minister has said. Jens Spahn made the announcement on Thursday after Germany reported 1,045 new coronavirus infections, the first daily jump above 1,000 cases in three months. Spahn blamed the rise on the impact of travellers returning from abroad and increasingly complacent attitudes to social distancing.
Michelle Obama, the former US first lady, has spoken candidly about her mental health during the coronavirus pandemic in the second episode of her podcast series. Obama said she was suffering from "low-grade depression" because of the pandemic and other issues, including racial injustice and the "hypocrisy" of the Trump administration.
Like compartments on a submarine in distress, state borders in Australia are closing down to curb the spread of Covid-19. Alarmed at a surge in infections, Queensland has already banned almost all residents from Victoria. It will do the same for people from the national capital, Canberra, and New South Wales, which it has declared a coronavirus hotspot. The government in New South Wales is imposing tough restrictions of its own. Travellers from Victoria will only be allowed into the state if they fly to Sydney, and go into mandatory isolation at a hotel for 14 days.
A memorial ceremony has been held in Hiroshima to commemorate the 75th anniversary of the atomic bombing of the Japanese city during World War Two. The solemn annual ceremony of remembrance in Hiroshima is normally attended by thousands of people from all over the world. Today, because of Covid-19, there were just a handful of survivors, sitting 2m (6.5ft) apart and wearing black masks.
The former president of Colombia, Álvaro Uribe, says he has tested positive for coronavirus.
After registering 829 deaths on Wednesday, Mexico looks set to pass the mark of 50,000 Covid-related fatalities later on Thursday. The country has the third highest number of deaths worldwide after the US and Brazil. Health officials have warned that in seven Mexican states, the average number of weekly cases is on the rise.
Aritana Yawalapiti, one of the most influential indigenous chiefs in Brazil, has died of respiratory complications caused by Covid-19. He was 71.
San Fransisco police officer scolding a man for not wearing a mask during the 1918 influenza pandemic. Even over 100 years ago, the difference in mask wearing was not great.
https://i.imgur.com/y3JxTbQ.jpg
Bilge_Rat
08-06-20, 06:41 AM
meanwhile in Quebec things are almost back to normal. All businesses, restaurants, bars, gyms, cinemas are re-opened. Indoor and outdoor events with a max of 250 people are allowed. Most schools had already reopened in May.
Masks are mandatory in all indoor public places which pretty much everyone follows, although you quickly get used to it. New cases and deaths are at an all time low.
Jimbuna
08-06-20, 08:06 AM
Glad to learn of it but I fear matters might change when the flu/influenza season pays us a visit.
Jimbuna
08-06-20, 08:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OWxhh4go3c
Jimbuna
08-06-20, 08:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxA3Dp4VeQI
Jimbuna
08-06-20, 12:04 PM
The number of coronavirus cases in the UK has risen by 950 since yesterday, according to the latest government figures, taking the total number of people who have tested positive for the virus to 308,134.
This is an increase in the number of cases reported yesterday, 892.
On Wednesday, the seven-day daily average of cases was 820.
In Wales, another three people have died after testing positive, and 15 more cases were recorded.
There were 43 new confirmed cases of Covid-19 in Northern Ireland. No new deaths were reported.
Across Scotland, a further 67 positive tests were announced. Of these, 39 were in the Grampian health board area, which includes freshly locked down Aberdeen. However, no new deaths were recorded for the 21st consecutive day.
Mr Quatro
08-06-20, 12:29 PM
Glad to learn of it but I fear matters might change when the flu/influenza season pays us a visit.
I hope the flu/cold season is a lot less this year due to all of the concern about Covid-19 and people working from home and people out and about wearing mask, not to mention hand sanitizer and gloves ... :yep:
either way I'm not taking Advill ever again, even though it works, due to reports of liver damage.
Jimbuna
08-06-20, 12:40 PM
I hope the flu/cold season is a lot less this year due to all of the concern about Covid-19 and people working from home and people out and about wearing mask, not to mention hand sanitizer and gloves ... :yep:
either way I'm not taking Advill ever again, even though it works, due to reports of liver damage.
Being a type2 diabetic for the past couple of years means I'm prescribed Metformin and I read somewhere yesterday it is suspected of bringing about the early onset of dementia.
Catfish
08-06-20, 01:28 PM
If certain people who have the power to influence and command others - without calling names - intentionally or out of pure ignorance deny wearing a mask to protect others, because of a perceived intrusion in their privacy or because of denying the covid virus entirely:
Wouldn't it be correct to not help them when they get infected? :hmmm:
Skybird
08-06-20, 01:40 PM
If certain people who have the power to influence and command others - without calling names - intentionally or out of pure ignorance deny wearing a mask to protect others, because of a perceived intrusion in their privacy or because of denying the covid virus entirely:
Wouldn't it be correct to not help them when they get infected? :hmmm:
It would be correct. At least not helping them at the (financial) cost of others and medical disadvantage of others.
I am against banning smoking. But I would ban treatment of diseases an individual formed out as a consequence of its smoking, from being paid for by its mandatory/"solidaric" health insurrance. They shoukld need to pay for their treatment all by themselves.
Its about justice. Justice is about self-responsibility, and reciprocal consequence from decisions one makes.
Its like with a cinema: you do not care to buy a ticket, you do not get let in to watch the movie. You yell and vandalise during the movie - you get thrown out.
Skybird
08-06-20, 02:41 PM
We cannot like this.
Dangerous "double agents": Only 60 percent of those who recover develop antibodies - some of them even help the virus
Thursday, August 6th, 2020
After surviving Covid-19 disease, some patients develop antibodies that make it easier for the virus to get into their bodies in the event of future attacks. Researchers from Vienna recently made this surprising finding.
Scientists from the Institute for Pathophysiology and Allergy Research at the Medical University of Vienna found that only around 60 percent of the subjects in their study who had Covid-19 and recovered developed protective antibodies. They published their results in the journal "Allergy".
For their analysis, they examined the data from 25 subjects. Only six of the subjects inhibited the antibodies from binding the virus to the ACE2 receptor by more than 50 percent, and from nine subjects inhibited them by up to 50 percent.
The antibodies of five test subjects were unable to inhibit binding at all. In a further five test subjects, the researchers also found that the virus was able to dock to the cell's ACE2 receptor better than before. The renewed infection of the cell was made easier by the body's own antibodies for the virus - they acted as “double agents”, once for and once against their own body.
Specifically, the research team discovered that only 60 percent of recovered Covid-19 patients developed antibodies that inhibit the interaction of the Sars-CoV-2 receptor binding domain (RBD) with ACE2. The ACE2 receptor (angiotensin converting enzyme-2) for Sars-CoV-2 occurs especially in the respiratory tract and other organs affected by the virus.
The scientists also found that certain immune complexes, which consist of RBD and antibodies from the patient, have an increased rate of binding to ACE2. That would be a hitherto unknown mechanism that enables the virus to more easily attach to body cells.
"This is the first study that shows increased binding to ACE2 through immune complexes consisting of RBD and patient antibodies," explains study leader Rudolf Valenta. "This potentially makes it even easier for the virus to settle and spread." Further research is now to find out exactly what that means for immunity and vaccine development.
Several studies have already shown that some people who have recovered from Covid-19 only have antibodies against Sars-CoV-2 for a short time. "The extent to which this has an impact on long-term immunity and vaccination strategies is still speculative, but must be monitored critically in the further course," said Clemens Wendtner, chief physician of the Clinic for Infectious Diseases at Munich Clinic Schwabing, after a German study on similar results came.
"Herd immunity"...? :har:
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:o
Skybird
08-06-20, 03:00 PM
A university of Washington model predicts 300,000 Covid-19 deaths in the US by Decembre 1st.
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/university-of-washington-model-predicts-nearly-300000-people-will-have-died-in-us-of-covid-19-by-dec-1
In Germany, new case numbers are soaring up. We are about to loose all wins we gained in the past months since all this began. I fear it will become worse when flu season and cooler weather season starts.
I do not think any politician will dare a second full lockdown, nevertheless I have started to resupply some reserves I have consumed over the past months without resupplying them immediately (to avoid supermarkets). "Readiness is all". Another stockpile of face masks is on its way, too, and hand sanitizer. "Reap and enjoy while the abundance lasts"... Dating the dentist - thats a real problem, the situation there is almost comically absurd: people go in and out, foreigners, and there you lie with your MOUTH WIDE OPEN. :hmmm: Not good.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/67CC/production/_113827562_trumpfox.jpg
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53673797
This made me remember what a Danish Doctor said on Danish tv when Denmark open face 1-Which meant children was allowed to go back to school.
"Children seems to have greater resilience, than the elder. So the parent shouldn't be nervous."
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em2nought
08-06-20, 04:07 PM
A university of Washington model predicts 300,000 Covid-19 deaths in the US by Decembre 1st.
:hmmm:Not good.
...but on the bright side zero deaths from the flu. :hmmm:
nikimcbee
08-06-20, 07:04 PM
Being a type2 diabetic for the past couple of years means I'm prescribed Metformin and I read somewhere yesterday it is suspected of bringing about the early onset of dementia.
Hold the phone, when did this happen? Make sure you stay on top of that.:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
Mr Quatro
08-06-20, 08:07 PM
This is the DOT (department of transportation) not a local agency
Face shields to be mandatory for commuters
https://www.yahoo.com/news/face-shields-mandatory-commuters-000000073.html
Commuters will soon be adding the wearing of face shields—aside from facemasks—as part of their daily requirement when taking public transportation, the Department of Transportation announced.
Effective August 15, passengers of any mode of public transportation will be required to wear face shields, as stated in a memorandum circular issued by the transportation department last Tuesday (August 4).
This is the DOT (department of transportation) not a local agency
Face shields to be mandatory for commuters
https://www.yahoo.com/news/face-shields-mandatory-commuters-000000073.html
I read that whole article. No where did I find what country this is supposed to be. It ain't America.
Von Due
08-06-20, 08:39 PM
That article was written by Ruben Manahan IV who works for, among others I assume, Yahoo Singapore and Yahoo News Phillipines
(source https://muckrack.com/ruben-manahan-iv )
A name there is Artemio Tuazon Jr who is an Undersecretary for Administrative Service in the Phillipines. August is correct as it's fairly safe to assume this artice is about the situation in the Phillipines then, not the US.
Not that I would put it past one of our Mayors or Governors to try something like that.
Buddahaid
08-06-20, 08:45 PM
If certain people who have the power to influence and command others - without calling names - intentionally or out of pure ignorance deny wearing a mask to protect others, because of a perceived intrusion in their privacy or because of denying the covid virus entirely:
Wouldn't it be correct to not help them when they get infected? :hmmm:
That would be Sovereign Citizens. As far as I'm concerned, if they don't believe the laws of the land apply to them, then lock them up without due process and throw away the key.
That would be Sovereign Citizens. As far as I'm concerned, if they don't believe the laws of the land apply to them, then lock them up without due process and throw away the key.
Gee Budda I never knew you were so authoritarian! I mean dayam, shouldn't they have to commit an actual crime first? I never thought you'd advocate jailing people just for having beliefs you disagree with. :)
Seriously while I don't hold such extreme views I do think that people who declare themselves to be Sovereign Citizens should be deported like any other illegal alien. Either they are one of us or they have our governments permission to be here. Absent that give them the boot like we would to anyone else who is here without authorization.
And no changing our mind for at least a decade when they come crying back in 3 months about how tough it is on the outside either. There's nothing like living in a foreign land to realize just how good we have it here in the USA but such extreme ignorance as abandoning ones citizenship must have the lesson driven home before considering letting them back in.
Buddahaid
08-06-20, 09:21 PM
Surprise! Just venting mostly but damned if they don't deserve it. Can't have it both ways and where do you deport to? The Atlantic and Pacific oceans?
Waterworld begins.
Surprise! Just venting mostly but damned if they don't deserve it. Can't have it both ways and where do you deport to? The Atlantic and Pacific oceans?
Anywhere the other side of either would be fine with me. There must be some country in the world that would take them. Maybe along with a few bucks or a few surplus tanks or something if they agree to keep them off any plane or boat heading to the US.
I read that whole article. No where did I find what country this is supposed to be. It ain't America.
Its the Philippines; the non-English text is pretty obviously Tagalog; I further confirmed by simply Googling the name in the article, "Arthur Tugade" and heis indeed the Transportation Secretary in the Philippines...
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Jimbuna
08-07-20, 05:13 AM
More than one million cases have been confirmed in Africa, although the true extent of the pandemic there is not known.
South Africa accounts for more than half of these cases, but there are concerns about a lack of data from Tanzania.
Hong Kong chief executive Carrie Lam announces free Covid-19 tests for anyone in the city who wants one.
UK Chancellor Rishi Sunak says the furlough scheme cannot continue indefinitely.
India reaches two million cases in 20 days, much faster than the two countries with the highest number of cases, the US and Brazil.
The Australian state of New South Wales announces new restrictions, with mandatory hotel quarantine for arrivals from neighbouring Victoria.
Mr Quatro
08-07-20, 09:49 AM
I read that whole article. No where did I find what country this is supposed to be. It ain't America.
Sorry, I use to work for the DOT and just assumed it was ours, but it did say August 4, uh :D
Jimbuna
08-07-20, 11:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJNiXBz2M1k
Jimbuna
08-07-20, 12:21 PM
Beachgoers in the UK are being urged to maintain social distancing measures as temperatures soar across the country.
Mexico's death toll has passed 50,000, days after it became the country with the third-highest toll, after the US and Brazil.
More than one million coronavirus cases have been confirmed in Africa, although the true extent of the pandemic there is not known.
South Africa accounts for more than half of these cases, but there are concerns about a lack of data from Tanzania.
Hong Kong chief executive Carrie Lam announces free Covid-19 tests for anyone in the city who wants one.
Data suggests about one person in every 1,900 has the virus in homes in England - with statisticians saying cases may be levelling off.
But an increase in cases in the city of Preston leads to more local lockdown measures in north-west England.
I read that whole article. No where did I find what country this is supposed to be. It ain't America.
Since the high number of infected in the next biggest city in Denmark, the Danish government have said that from this day it is mandatory for commuters and other travellers to wear mask. This injunction is only for this city.
Markus
Sorry, I use to work for the DOT and just assumed it was ours, but it did say August 4, uh :D
I was just curious. None of our authoritarian governors have gone that far. At least not yet. :03:
Jimbuna
08-08-20, 05:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufKbFEFpITc
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/science/the-vaccines-project/200-years-of-vaccine-skepticism--the-vaccines-project-episode-1/2019/08/29/d3d93e02-b455-4064-9e82-bddefbb3bc56_video.html
Jimbuna
08-08-20, 10:50 AM
Young people in Preston are being urged "Don't kill Granny" as new lockdown measures come into force.
Extra restrictions were imposed after Covid-19 infections rose in the city.
Adrian Phillips, chief executive of Preston City Council, said it was "alarming to see that the under-30s are contracting it at a significant rate".
"I know our director of public health has said 'Don't kill Granny' to young people to try and focus the message,'" he said.
Since midnight, residents in the Lancashire city are banned from mixing with people from outside their social bubble in homes, gardens, and indoor venues, such as pubs.
They can meet in groups of up to six - or more than six if they are from two households - in outdoor areas such as parks and beer gardens.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-53706436
So now we have a new slogan in an attempt to get the message across as growing evidence suggests it is now the younger generation who are spreading the virus.
Von Due
08-08-20, 05:49 PM
We (Norway), together with Denmark, closed the borders to Sweden... except we didn't really.... The #1 border town in SW Sweden has been busy serving Norwegians like before and now we have a number of red zones with the follow up restrictions... Good going. We can send humans to the moon but keep them from going to other red zones.. nah... can't do that.
We (Norway), together with Denmark, closed the borders to Sweden... except we didn't really.... The #1 border town in SW Sweden has been busy serving Norwegians like before and now we have a number of red zones with the follow up restrictions... Good going. We can send humans to the moon but keep them from going to other red zones.. nah... can't do that.
It was a one-way close.
While the Danish government closed the border for Swedish citizens to enter Copenhagen, the Swedish government had the border towards Denmark open.
Hundreds if not thousand of citizens in Copenhagen toke a trip to Sweden, to enjoy a beer, coffee at some restaurant or going to get their har cut..and so on.
Markus
Jimbuna
08-09-20, 07:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6eahu83Lc
Mr Quatro
08-09-20, 02:32 PM
I really believe this is a true statement Covid-19 is here to stay
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/09/900490301/covid-19-may-never-go-away-with-or-without-a-vaccine
University of Texas Medical Branch, told NPR's Weekend Edition that one of the more likely scenarios is that the spread of COVID-19 will eventually be slowed as a result of herd immunity. He said that he'd be surprised "if we're still wearing masks and 6-feet distancing in two or three years" and that in time, the virus could become no more serious than the common cold.
As noted before, in the entire history since the discovery of viruses, only one (1) virus has ever been declared as eradicated: smallpox. Every single other virus out in the world is either incurable or only manageable, at this time. Even if a vaccine is found for Covid-19 in the very near future, the likelihood is it will not have a universal effectiveness for all persons nor will it protect against current or future varied Covid-19 strains, much as the same situation regarding current flu vaccines where not all recipients have the same beneficial effects or the combination of flu strains in the vaccine fully matches the strains in current circulation...
Covid-19 is definitely not going to magically 'disappear' nor is it reasonably likely to be medically 'cured' it is highly likely to be with us for a very long time...
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Jimbuna
08-10-20, 05:46 AM
French police say face masks will be required at busy tourist sites and over 100 streets in Paris, as infections rise.
Gyms, swimming pools, leisure centres and play centres reopen in latest stage of lockdown easing in Wales.
Australia records its deadliest day of the coronavirus pandemic, although new infections are falling.
A BBC investigation reveals that some staff in Ghana's hospitals have been selling vital PPE for personal profit.
The US has passed 5m cases, while Brazil has had more than 100,000 deaths linked to Covid-19
However, New Zealand has passed 100 days without a local infection, and plans to open a travel bubble with the Cook Islands.
Jimbuna
08-10-20, 05:54 AM
Concern over the growing number of infections in France prompted officials to make face masks compulsory outdoors in busy parts of Paris from today. The order applies to people aged 11 and over in "certain very crowded zones"
In Germany, the economy minister warned of an "alarming" rise in infections. "We need to flatten the curve and turn this around," Peter Altmaier told local media. His comments come as children in Berlin return to school for the first time in months.
Greece recorded yet another daily record in cases - 203 - on Sunday. It brings the total number of infections there to 5,623, with many of those recorded in recent weeks.
Holidaymakers in several countries were warned that beaches may be closed if they become too crowded during the ongoing heatwave. In Belgium, police made arrests after a brawl broke out when people were asked to leave a beach.
A top US health official has praised Taiwan’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, hailing it as “among the most successful in the world”, during a rare diplomatic visit to the island.
Pranab Mukherjee, India's president from 2012 - 2017, has just announced that he has tested positive for Covid-19.
https://i.imgur.com/wxTOVVK.png
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8608611/Washington-man-arrested-punching-72-year-old-face-row-face-mask.html
Oh my God!:o
Jimbuna
08-10-20, 10:18 AM
A further eight coronavirus deaths have been reported in the UK, taking the official number of people who have died after testing positive with the virus to 46,574.
However, the daily figures tend to be lower on Mondays because of reporting delays over the weekend. The daily figure announced a week ago was nine.
The latest government figures also recorded 816 new cases, a day after it had gone up above 1,000 for the first time since late June.
Skybird
08-10-20, 11:04 AM
"Airlinering" in times of Corona. IMO a stupid idea if no real necessary need is given. For simple holiday? Stupid.
"Flying is like a box of toffees, you never know what you catch." - Skybird :D
I post this in full length, because I am not sure that just the link to the translation site works, on my rig, such links with certain soruces do not work like this and do not translate to English, only German to German. Which obviously is pointless.
Dieter Scholz is professor for vehicle technology and aircraft construction at the University of Applied Sciences in Hamburg.
Is it a good idea to go on vacation by plane in Corona times? Dieter Scholz, professor of aircraft construction, answers this question in an interview - and explains why he considers some statements made by the aviation industry to be false.
FOCUS Online: Mr. Scholz, you are very familiar with airplanes and warn of the risk of corona infection in them. In your opinion, how high is the risk of contracting Sars-CoV-2 on a plane?
Dieter Scholz: It is easy to estimate the likelihood that a flight traveler can become infected. Of course, this can only happen if a sick person is on the plane. Therefore we first have to calculate how high the probability of this is.
If we assume a flight from Germany, it is important to know how many Covid 19 sufferers we have in Germany. These figures are published regularly. However, we have more sick people than officially known. The RKI assumes that the number of infected people is under-recorded by a factor of 11 to 20. That's an estimate based on various studies.
If we take a factor of 16 as the mean for the calculation, we have to multiply the measured number of cases by 16 and then divide the result by the number of inhabitants in Germany. When you have calculated that, you know that every thousandth person in Germany has Covid-19.
About the expert
But how likely is it now that a sick person is sitting on an airplane? We know that it's particularly easy to get infected when a lot of people are together in a small space. That means you have to include the aircraft size in the calculation. A common airplane carries around 200 passengers. So if about one in 1000 people is sick, then statistically speaking, about one in five aircraft has a sick person.
FOCUS Online: And now the question is how many fellow travelers this infected infected.
Scholz: Exactly. And that's a little more complicated. This also has to do with the duration of the flight or the number of hours you sit in the plane. There are various publications in the scientific literature in which there have been cases of infection on the plane and in which one has laboriously researched how many people were infected with a sick person.
These examinations show an infection rate per hour of the flight, but this varies from case to case by a factor of almost 100. Of course, it can also be that someone was sick on board and no one was infected. So I assumed the lowest value in this blurring.
FOCUS Online: What is your conclusion then?
Scholz: A sick person would only infect one per thousand, i.e. one in a thousand people on board - and that every hour. A per mil of 200 would be 0.2 people. Now let's say a typical flight takes about five hours on average. Therefore we multiply the 0.2 by 5 and that means over the five-hour flight one person out of 200 becomes infected. Since there were now five planes on the move, as described at the beginning, only one in 1000 people was infected. That is now an estimated order of magnitude.
FOCUS Online: This estimate would only apply to flights from Germany. Depending on where you are flying to, for example in a risk area, the risk of being infected on the return flight could be significantly higher.
Scholz: Exactly, our calculation is based on assumptions for Germany and for aircraft with around 200 passengers. The bigger an airplane, the more likely it is to get infected. Depending on the country, the aircraft and the duration of the flight, you have to make a slightly different calculation.
FOCUS Online: So the probability varies with the size of the means of transport and the number of people in it. Does that mean flying is more risky than taking a bus or train?
Scholz: The risk of getting infected is particularly high in large groups - and also the longer you are on the road. However, it also depends on the air conditioning in the respective means of transport. As far as this ventilation is concerned, I am more familiar with airplanes than with other modes of transport.
In the airplane, the fuselage is ventilated salami slices. The air is therefore not blown through the entire aircraft. The air that is recirculated is sent through a high-performance filter. This ensures that the air that comes back does not spread the viruses through the aircraft.
As for the ventilation of other modes of transport, I'm not an expert, but I've done some research. The coach, for example, also works with both fresh air and recirculation, but the filters are not as good as in the airplane. However, you can turn off the recirculation in the bus and switch to 100 percent fresh air.
FOCUS Online: Now the aviation industry says the risk of being infected with Covid-19 is low in passenger planes due to the ventilation system. Airbus chief engineer Jean-Brice Dumont said literally: “The air in the aircraft is cleaner when landing than when the doors are closed when taking off.” What is your opinion on this statement?
Scholz: This statement by Jean-Brice Dumont is wrong. Just take the concentration of CO2 in the cabin air, which increases during the flight from the breathing of the people on board from an initial 400 ppm (parts per million) to around 1400 ppm. The air quality has not improved as a result. I think three statements by the aviation industry are wrong:
1. Operating room
The Federation of German Airlines claims that the air in the aircraft is as pure as in the operating theater. There are several hundred people on the plane. In the operating room, however, not so many for good reasons. In the aircraft, the viruses originating from individual sick people are directly in the cabin and endanger fellow passengers. The ventilation flushes out viruses while new ones are constantly being added. Such a virus concentration sets in. The virus concentration can be halved by the recirculation of the air in the aircraft in connection with the Hepa filters.
2. Aeration rate
CSU Transport Minister Andreas Scheuer pleaded on July 23, 2020 in a press conference for a higher "ventilation rate" and claimed that the air is completely replaced every 2 to 3 minutes. The term "ventilation rate" does not exist in ventilation technology. In order to ventilate the aircraft much more, they would have to be completely rebuilt. This cannot be achieved in the short term or economically. What is meant by the "ventilation rate" is the air exchange rate, which is, however, irrelevant for the virus concentration and is only so high in the aircraft because the aircraft only has two cubic meters of air volume per person. In three minutes, a new cabin volume of air flows into the cabin. However, five such air changes are necessary to almost completely flush the cabin.
3. Climate curtain
Scheuer continues to speak of a "climate curtain". By this he means the air flow, which according to the aviation industry's explanation in aircraft should only flow from top to bottom - and not horizontally. This would mean that the air does not flow left, right or back and forth.
FOCUS Online: But this statement is not true?
Scholz: Exactly. It is again a false statement, because in the aircraft cabin cross-sections are ventilated and circular eddies are formed there. This means that air also flows horizontally - from left to right and vice versa. Due to turbulence and diffusion, aerosols are also distributed in the longitudinal direction of the cabin.
It is also rumored that each row on the plane has its own air conditioning system. That's not true either, because there are no walls between the rows. The turbulence created by the air conditioning system itself will probably mix the air over about five rows. There are flow simulations that show very clearly how the droplets are distributed in the air. Ultimately, we can also see this in the studies that show how people were infected on the plane - this also affected people many rows in front of or behind the sick person.
FOCUS Online: Can you again start from the five rows - as explained above for the air flow?
Scholz: These five rows are the WHO risk area. The WHO once stipulated that if it was found that a sick person was sitting on the plane, then one would have to inform the passengers in five rows, namely the two rows in front of it, the row concerned and the two rows behind it.
This area of risk defined by the WHO is also not undisputed. There is a study that shows that as many people have been infected outside this zone as inside, which could be due to the aerosols that are spreading throughout the room, such as the smell of a cigarette.
FOCUS Online: Nevertheless, you are of the opinion that even a free middle seat between two travelers could help to reduce infection by a factor of eight.
Scholz: Based on the simple volume model, yes, because there are different mechanisms of contagion and I'm not talking here as a doctor, but as someone who has the air conditioning and its currents in the aircraft in mind.
For example, we are more likely to get infected if the sick person is sitting next to us. When the sick person sneezes, breathes, coughs or speaks, viruses are sent out by him or her. And such a cloud of droplets can of course hit those who are particularly close with a particularly high concentration. Therefore, keeping a certain distance between two people would be helpful to reduce the chance of infection. This is also the reason why we currently make sure to keep a distance of 1.50 meters in everyday life.
FOCUS Online: Now every traveler who comes back from a risk area should be tested at the airport or must be in a two-week quarantine. In your opinion, is that a sensible rule? Or would it even make more sense to test passengers before flying?
Scholz: It is undisputed that air traffic first led to the pandemic, because only by plane can we get from one continent to another so quickly. So if air traffic resumes now after the lockdown, we will have the same problem as in the beginning. Because the situation has not improved.
Aircraft arrive in Germany every day from risk areas such as the USA and Brazil. All that happens is that those arriving have to go into quarantine according to the regulations of the federal states. It can hardly be verified whether this quarantine is being followed.
So we have a big problem and luckily this has now been recognized and tests have been initiated. Of course it would be best to test abroad before taking off. If you first test in Germany and then recognize someone who is sick, you have to track how many other passengers have become infected.
There were some countries that were very careful and tested every arriving passenger - and some positive too. This is not proof that you are infected on the plane, but it shows that from countries with high numbers of illnesses, infected people can also get on planes and infect other people.
FOCUS Online: What do you advise to keep the risk of infection on board as low as possible? Both the airlines and the passengers?
Scholz: It's very simple. Actually, you just have to think about what the hazard actually looks like in the aircraft. And then you can offer the passengers serious protection, in this case an FFP2 mask that has to fit well. A compromise would be a medical mask like the one used in the operating theater. The European Aviation Safety Authority (EASA) recommends such medical masks.
In trains, air conditioning is even inferior. The Deutsche Bahn until last time I checked ten days or so ago categorically refused to confirm in a legally resistant manner that they use HEPA filters, which are a precondition for filtering virusses out of the air. Also, the air conditioning systems are not that powerful in trains and busses.
Note that the talk is not of cleaning the air of virusses in planes completely. But to reduce the virus load by around 50%. The other 50% you have to live with.
I stick to it: if you must not, then do not fly (drive train). If you must, use a FFP2, better FFP3 mask without filter. Have severals with you so that you can change once the one you are wearing got wet.
Mr Quatro
08-10-20, 11:19 AM
That's a long read Skybird, but the man answering the question: FOCUS Online: What do you advise to keep the risk of infection on board as low as possible? Both the airlines and the passengers?
left off don't go to the rest room :o
Denmark have open to early and too fast.
The R0 have gone from 0.6 in June, to 1.4 Aug. 10
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Jimbuna
08-10-20, 01:02 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/26bJBf75/113881116-cv-stats-10-08-nc.png (https://postimages.org/)
It's gone total politic, more exactly immigration politic in the Danish Corona outbreak.
Markus
Skybird
08-10-20, 07:26 PM
That's a long read Skybird, but the man answering the question:
left off don't go to the rest room :o
It is a long read, yes, but I find it irresponsible how many - quite impertinent - lies and overly optimistic claims are being made on the hygienics safety just to lure people onboard of airliners again. Or cruise ships, for that matter. Its good that the man, an expert for the hardware matter, explains some of the technical backgrounds in detail.
Until we have more potent drugs and cures to actually treat and heal even milder forms of Covid-19, to help people not suffering from long-lasting post-corona syndromes of various kinds and lasting organic damage, this is a disease that you should not want to easily catch. It is not harmless. It is not easy. Its nmasty. Its underhanded. It is malicious. Dont play gambles. Avoid it where ever you can. Tune the chances in your favour, in every regard. Mucho machismo is no effective therapy. Its just a retard's posing.
Skybird
08-11-20, 05:41 AM
Russia claims to have a vaccine ready. Putin said a first vaccination campaign in high risk populations like teachers, hospital staff and the likes, shall start in early Octobre.
The WHO as always has nothing but hesitation and concerns, warning of that it is none of its own vaccine candidates. But Russia insists they did phase III trials. Putin said he let one if his daughters get vaccinated already. He also said the vaccination provides lasting immunization.
The latter remains to be seen. But it would be an embrassment for the WHO and the other research projects, if the Russians do not just claim some propaganda, but are telling the truth.
Thats the problem with the WHO. They have done so much nonsense and have claimed so much useless staff and wasted so much time that by now nobody serious believes them anything anymore and they have no authority left that gives their warnings any weight.
We will need to wait and see what happens in Russia. If the Russian claims are true, we will see it. If they are wrong, we will see that as well. Both is just a question of time. I form no opinion of it right now, but delay that to a later time.
Onkel Neal
08-11-20, 05:53 AM
Let's hope they are right. Go Russia!
Jimbuna
08-11-20, 08:35 AM
Russia claims to have a vaccine ready. Putin said a first vaccination campaign in high risk populations like teachers, hospital staff and the likes, shall start in early Octobre.
The WHO as always has nothing but hesitation and concerns, warning of that it is none of its own vaccine candidates. But Russia insists they did phase III trials. Putin said he let one if his daughters get vaccinated already. He also said the vaccination provides lasting immunization.
The latter remains to be seen. But it would be an embrassment for the WHO and the other research projects, if the Russians do not just claim some propaganda, but are telling the truth.
Thats the problem with the WHO. They have done so much nonsense and have claimed so much useless staff and wasted so much time that by now nobody serious believes them anything anymore and they have no authority left that gives their warnings any weight.
We will need to wait and see what happens in Russia. If the Russian claims are true, we will see it. If they are wrong, we will see that as well. Both is just a question of time. I form no opinion of it right now, but delay that to a later time.
The same goes for Putin if this is a lie or baseless propaganda.
Jimbuna
08-11-20, 08:40 AM
Auckland is back in lockdown after New Zealand detects its first locally transmitted coronavirus cases in more than 100 days.
Russia says it has registered the world's first vaccine - but has not released any safety or immunity data.
The UK records its biggest quarterly drop in employment since 2009, as the pandemic hits the jobs market.
Scottish students return to classrooms for the first time since March.
There have been more than 20m cases of Covid-19 around the world, and 736,000 deaths.
More than 5m of those cases are in the US, with 3m in Brazil and 2m in India.
Jimbuna
08-11-20, 08:44 AM
New figures show 56,842 deaths where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate have been registered in the UK.
In England and Wales, 51,779 deaths involving the virus had occurred up to 31 July, according to the Office for National Statistics figures.
A total of 8,946 deaths were registered in England and Wales in the last week of July, according to the ONS - 90 fewer than the five-year average of 9,036. This is the seventh week in a row that deaths have been below the five-year average.
Of the deaths registered in the week to 31 July, 193 mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate - the lowest number of deaths involving Covid-19 since the week ending March 20 (103 deaths).
The National Records for Scotland reported 4,208 deaths involving Covid-19 had been registered in Scotland up to 2 August, while 855 deaths had occurred in Northern Ireland up to 31 July according to the Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency.
Jimbuna
08-11-20, 08:46 AM
Greece announced further measures intended to curb a recent spike in infections. Visitors from Spain, Belgium, Sweden, the Netherlands and the Czech Republic will have to show proof they have tested negative for the virus before entering the country. It also announced a night curfew on bars and restaurants in major tourist destinations such as Crete, Santorini and Rhodes. The health minister said infections were "rising dangerously"
Spain, one of the early global hotspots of the pandemic, reported a sharp rise of more than 1,400 infections in 24 hours. It also recorded 73 deaths since Friday - its biggest increase in months.
In Germany, a survey by the Bild newspaper found that almost 60% of pubs, restaurants and hotels believe they will struggle to survive because of the pandemic.
Elsewhere, Finland said it would introduce mandatory testing and quarantine for travellers from Belgium, the Netherlands and Andorra. "The situation is extremely delicate," a health official said.
Skybird
08-11-20, 08:58 AM
A study from Vienna shows that only 60& of recovered patients show immunity. Even worse, Sars-Cov-2 seems to show ADE, "anti-body enhancement", where antibodies dock onto vorusses, but just for clumps, do not destroy them, these virusses than use the docked anti-.bodies as free-entrance tickets into other cells, the immunological reaction of the body helps to spread the virus and supports it. Also, further support was found for the recent observation that mild forms of the disease do not provide strong and longer lasting immunity - the bad news is that tough forms of the disease have a chance to form stronger, longer lasting immunity - but only a chance, certain it is not: the 60% applies to these as well.
I feared that already: the idea that some cynics still hold, that we could form herd immunity by letting large parts of the population suffer from ifneciton and hoping that most will survive somehow and only have mild form, is a theory that imo can no longer be suppoorted at all. It alkways was cyncial speculation, and now at the latest is just irresponsible bodily harm.
Early treatment with hydroxychloroquine: a country-randomized controlled trial *
Covid Analysis, August 5, 2020 (updated August 10, 2020)
https://hcqtrial.com/plot/plot1ax.svg
Many countries either adopted or declined early treatment with HCQ, forming a large country-randomized controlled trial with 2.0 billion people in the treatment group and 663 million in the control group. As of August 10, 2020, an average of 41.4/million in the treatment group have died, and 446.9/million in the control group, relative risk 0.093. After adjustments, treatment and control deaths become 85.8/million and 644.0/million, relative risk 0.13. Confounding factors affect this estimate, including varying degrees of spread between countries. Accounting for predicted changes in spread, we estimate a relative risk of 0.21. The treatment group has a 78.9% lower death rate. We examined diabetes, obesity, hypertension, life expectancy, population density, urbanization, testing level, and intervention level, which do not account for the effect observed.
https://hcqtrial.com/
Mr Quatro
08-11-20, 10:03 AM
The same goes for Putin if this is a lie or baseless propaganda.
I don't think so ... Putin would not like to be laughed at for sure :o
em2nought
08-11-20, 12:08 PM
Early treatment with hydroxychloroquine: a country-randomized controlled trial *
Covid Analysis, August 5, 2020 (updated August 10, 2020)
https://hcqtrial.com/plot/plot1ax.svg
Many countries either adopted or declined early treatment with HCQ, forming a large country-randomized controlled trial with 2.0 billion people in the treatment group and 663 million in the control group. As of August 10, 2020, an average of 41.4/million in the treatment group have died, and 446.9/million in the control group, relative risk 0.093. After adjustments, treatment and control deaths become 85.8/million and 644.0/million, relative risk 0.13. Confounding factors affect this estimate, including varying degrees of spread between countries. Accounting for predicted changes in spread, we estimate a relative risk of 0.21. The treatment group has a 78.9% lower death rate. We examined diabetes, obesity, hypertension, life expectancy, population density, urbanization, testing level, and intervention level, which do not account for the effect observed.
https://hcqtrial.com/
Well what do you know. :up: Never to see the light of day in the mainstream media. :03:
skidman
08-11-20, 12:17 PM
https://hcqtrial.com/
HCQTrial.com: Astroturf and disinformation about hydroxychloroquine and COVID-19 on steroids
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hcqtrial-com-astroturf-and-disinformation-about-hydroxychloroquine-and-covid-19-on-steroids/
Early treatment with hydroxychloroquine: a country-randomized controlled trial *
Covid Analysis, August 5, 2020 (updated August 10, 2020)
Yeah, no. It's not a published study, nor is it peer reviewed and unless they had access to patient information from all those people, they have absolutely no knowledge of their treatment; what other drugs they might have been treated with for example. Which also means it's not a controlled trial as they claim.
Absolute nonsense.
EDIT: From Skidman's link:
There are so many things wrong with this “study” that it’s hard to keep track of them all:
It’s not a randomized controlled trial by any stretch of the imagination
It’s an observational ecological study (sort of) prone to the ecological fallacy
Confounders are not properly controlled for, particularly mask wearing and lockdowns
It’s not peer-reviewed
Its sample size is 36, not 2.7 billion
It is not known why only 36 countries were selected, and why these 36, which reeks of cherry picking
It misreports the results of at least one study, if not several
It doesn’t actually determine how much hydroxychloroquine was actually used in the “HCQ countries” or whether and how much it was used in some of the “non-HCQ countries”
It does not define what it means by “early” versus “late” treatment
I could go on and on and on, but I’m already tired. Suffice to say that this is an utterly worthless “study” whose “results” are utterly meaningless.
Jimbuna
08-11-20, 12:53 PM
I don't think so ... Putin would not like to be laughed at for sure :o
I hope your correct but we should know not too far into the future.
Jimbuna
08-11-20, 12:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UJ2PL5ERVo
Jimbuna
08-11-20, 01:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaO8TrDh1bQ
Texas Red
08-11-20, 04:44 PM
A close friend of mine who I just visited on Friday and Saturday to play Call of Duty with him and swim in the pool he has, is now displaying symptoms of Coronavirus. He texted me earlier in the afternoon telling me about it. My dad sent a text to his dad and all I know is that he is sick and is displaying all symptoms except vomitting.
I am possibly infected with Coronavirus.
Whats even worse is that we had a family night on Friday and I came home and possibly infected my entire moms side of the family.
I am hoping that he just has a really bad case of strep throat or something else because I will not be happy starting my first few weeks of school quarantined in my room, or wherever I am quarantined at.
I will keep you guys updated if you are interested.
^ Can't remember how long it takes from a person gets infected and start to infect others. Something with 36 or 48 hours-could be less.
And the symptoms will start to show between day 3 and day 14 after.
Markus
Skybird
08-11-20, 06:35 PM
A close friend of mine who I just visited on Friday and Saturday to play Call of Duty with him and swim in the pool he has, is now displaying symptoms of Coronavirus. He texted me earlier in the afternoon telling me about it. My dad sent a text to his dad and all I know is that he is sick and is displaying all symptoms except vomitting.
I am possibly infected with Coronavirus.
Whats even worse is that we had a family night on Friday and I came home and possibly infected my entire moms side of the family.
I am hoping that he just has a really bad case of strep throat or something else because I will not be happy starting my first few weeks of school quarantined in my room, or wherever I am quarantined at.
I will keep you guys updated if you are interested.
I hope you know that you and all your familiy members attending that family meeting must keep self-isolation until the thing got cleared either way...?! :hmmm: :03: Do not wait with that for a positive or negative diagnoisis, but do it know. And end it once you get then negatively diagnosed. Suspicion of infection counts as infection until proven otherwise.
Wish you the best.
A close friend of mine who I just visited on Friday and Saturday to play Call of Duty with him and swim in the pool he has, is now displaying symptoms of Coronavirus. He texted me earlier in the afternoon telling me about it. My dad sent a text to his dad and all I know is that he is sick and is displaying all symptoms except vomitting.
I am possibly infected with Coronavirus.
Whats even worse is that we had a family night on Friday and I came home and possibly infected my entire moms side of the family.
I am hoping that he just has a really bad case of strep throat or something else because I will not be happy starting my first few weeks of school quarantined in my room, or wherever I am quarantined at.
I will keep you guys updated if you are interested.
Just goes to show how insidious and random Covid-19 really is; one never really knows from whence may come a source of infection...
I really do hope it all works out well for you and that you are one of the luck ones to be not affected by the virus. Take care of yourself and be careful of the family around you and of the others also surrounding you; also, be sure to take prompt action if anything, no matter how seemingly trivial, seems out of the norm and seek medical advice immediately; sometimes there is significance in the insignificant...
Be careful, take care, and I hope for your good health...
<O>
Russia claims to have a vaccine ready. Putin said a first vaccination campaign in high risk populations like teachers, hospital staff and the likes, shall start in early Octobre.
The WHO as always has nothing but hesitation and concerns, warning of that it is none of its own vaccine candidates. But Russia insists they did phase III trials. Putin said he let one if his daughters get vaccinated already. He also said the vaccination provides lasting immunization.
The latter remains to be seen. But it would be an embrassment for the WHO and the other research projects, if the Russians do not just claim some propaganda, but are telling the truth.
Thats the problem with the WHO. They have done so much nonsense and have claimed so much useless staff and wasted so much time that by now nobody serious believes them anything anymore and they have no authority left that gives their warnings any weight.
We will need to wait and see what happens in Russia. If the Russian claims are true, we will see it. If they are wrong, we will see that as well. Both is just a question of time. I form no opinion of it right now, but delay that to a later time.
When I heard the new reports about Putin's vaccine announcement, I had a bit of Cold War deja vu. It hearkened me back to the days when the old Soviet Union made routine announcements, some of them outlandish on their face, of some sort of USSR accomplishment; given that Putin is former Soviet top rank KGB, the thought does come to mind this may be a remnant of his former livelihood; it is down to "I'll believe it when I see it"...
The timing is interesting also: Vlad's buttboy Trump is in a very deep pickle and needs RUS help again if he's gonna repeat; could the US expect a generous donation by Putin of said alleged vaccine to the US via Trump before the November Election as a means of trying to plug the breaches in the SS Trumptanic?...
Giong back to the Cols War reference, I am reminded of an old joke I heard way back in the 60s; it may have been either Bob Hope, Red Skelton, or Johnny Carson; memory does not serve:
"Its funny nowadays when anything new come around: the US invents it, the Russians claim they invented it first, and the Japanese make it smaller and cheaper..."...
<O>
Skybird
08-12-20, 04:14 AM
^It certainly comes at an opportune point of time for Putin, with his popularity having delcined and Covid cases soaring.
The drug is called Sputnik-5, if I am not mistaken, btw. :D
Catfish
08-12-20, 04:15 AM
Regarding Russia's vaccine it seems to have had a shortened test period, so while it is good to hear and may help i'd better wait a bit.
It is all about nationalism, about looking like being the first and the best, "mastering" a crisis, having the "best" form of government. Not about a real working vaccine and general aid. Even Bojo and this sht head Cummings.. but i digress.
Potentates everywhere are letting their people die because of their incompetence and sheer stupidity.
When i look at XiPing, Lukashenko, Putin and certain others i wonder why there can't be accidents relieving the world of egomani(a)c potentates. I mean they kill inconvenient people declaring them enemies of their states, including innocent people via "collateral damage"and even do so outside their own country. Maybe time to answer this, internationally.
Jimbuna
08-12-20, 05:40 AM
Just goes to show how insidious and random Covid-19 really is; one never really knows from whence may come a source of infection...
I really do hope it all works out well for you and that you are one of the luck ones to be not affected by the virus. Take care of yourself and be careful of the family around you and of the others also surrounding you; also, be sure to take prompt action if anything, no matter how seemingly trivial, seems out of the norm and seek medical advice immediately; sometimes there is significance in the insignificant...
Be careful, take care, and I hope for your good health...
<O>
I'll second that.
Jimbuna
08-12-20, 06:09 AM
The UK has officially fallen into recession for the first time in 11 years due to the impact of the pandemic. The 20.4% fall in the second quarter is the largest reported by any major economy so far. Chancellor Rishi Sunak warns of a further wave of job losses, saying "hard times are here"
Fast rising case numbers are worrying governments in western Europe, who are warning people to take more precautions.
France is reporting 2,000 new cases per day compared to 1,000 three weeks ago, the prime minister says.
Spain, meanwhile, is in a "critical situation", with the worst infection rate in Europe, experts say.
Russia's approval of an "effective" Covid-19 vaccine is met with scepticism internationally.
Potentates everywhere are letting their people die because of their incompetence and sheer stupidity.
When i look at XiPing, Lukashenko, Putin and certain others i wonder why there can't be accidents relieving the world of egomani(a)c potentates. I mean they kill inconvenient people declaring them enemies of their states, including innocent people via "collateral damage"and even do so outside their own country. Maybe time to answer this, internationally.
So you would like to see some kind of secret international vigilante organization that goes around assassinating national leaders? IIRC Skybird has also also advocated something like this, even extending it to their families.
https://i.imgflip.com/mewje.jpg
Catfish
08-12-20, 11:30 AM
If the head (or arse) of a state evidently kills people at home and abroad, i guess some international court articulating some response would be a good idea.
If the head (or arse) of a state evidently kills people at home and abroad, i guess some international court articulating some response would be a good idea.
That's called a UN resolution of condemnation. If you're looking for something more substantial then expect the nations involved not to just go along with your world government control schemes.
Jimbuna
08-12-20, 12:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvmNXf7BXUw
Catfish
08-12-20, 01:42 PM
That's called a UN resolution of condemnation. If you're looking for something more substantial then expect the nations involved not to just go along with your world government control schemes.
Well i guess Xi Jinping, Kim, Assad and some ordinary mass murderers will never agree to be judged (especially by foreigners), but seriously i would not care too much as long as their appropriate population will be able to survive and prosper instead of starving or getting slaughtered.
Skybird
08-12-20, 02:09 PM
My name is trouble, my first name is mess...
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.03.20167395v1
There currently is substantial controversy about the role played by SARS-CoV-2 in aerosols in disease transmission, due in part to detections of viral RNA but failures to isolate viable virus from clinically generated aerosols. Methods - Air samples were collected in the room of two COVID-19 patients, one of whom had an active respiratory infection with a nasopharyngeal (NP) swab positive for SARS-CoV-2 by RT-qPCR. By using VIVAS air samplers that operate on a gentle water-vapor condensation principle, material was collected from room air and subjected to RT-qPCR and virus culture. The genomes of the SARS-CoV-2 collected from the air and of virus isolated in cell culture from air sampling and from a NP swab from a newly admitted patient in the room were sequenced. Findings - Viable virus was isolated from air samples collected 2 to 4.8m away from the patients. The genome sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 strain isolated from the material collected by the air samplers was identical to that isolated from the NP swab from the patient with an active infection. Estimates of viable viral concentrations ranged from 6 to 74 TCID50 units/L of air. Interpretation - Patients with respiratory manifestations of COVID-19 produce aerosols in the absence of aerosol-generating procedures that contain viable SARS-CoV-2, and these aerosols may serve as a source of transmission of the virus.
As Martin Shaw said in Jaws: "We need a bigger mask." Cotton household masks obviously don't cut it.
Heck, I, a medical layman with not more than some general edcuation in popular science, say that since February: wear FFP masks. In case of inner rooms with many people breathing out: FFP3 masks.The filter a bit more than FFP2.
And yes, I know its hell to wear them at 33°C in summer.
If ypou stay inside for logner time with many people; consider to seal your eyes. Plastic face shields are a bad joke. Even worse are thzese stupid things where somebody wears just a tiny plastic plate 2 cm below nose, mounted on some frame, and not covering neither nose nor mouth. Pure alibi, zero functionality.
Skybird
08-12-20, 05:03 PM
Reasonably assessing the situation and weighing the options. Compliments.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/health/covid-kids-school-gupta-essay/index.html
Wouldn't say the same about this guy, and thus: no compliments.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-sheriff-orders-deputies-not-wear-masks-bans-civilians-masks-n1236502
Skybird
08-13-20, 05:41 AM
Durability of the virus on steel and plastic: 3 days.
On paper and postcard: 16-24 hours.
On copper: 4 hours.
On deep-frozen food: one year and probably longer.
So much for the already known things. Don't believe in the frozen food thing? See here:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/asia/china-coronavirus-chicken-wings-intl-hnk/index.html
Think of it: virusses usually hate UV exposure, warmth, dryness. Fridges are UV-protected, cold, moist.
The wHO of course already does what it does best and what is the only thing it is usable for: playing it down, as it plays down things always. So does the CDC, and I bet money that the RKI is soon to follow, if being asked about it.
I tick differently: I think freely sold vegetable on open market tables or shelves in the supermarket, are a potential risk if no further treatment by UV-light and so forth is being implemented. Thats why I prefer currently to buy fruits and vegetable in packed format only. Of course fruits and vegetables got touched by people before, but then it is about all those many people not breathing down on the food on the shelves and not touching it once it has been packed into plastric foil packs, during transportation, selling, handling in the supermarket and so forth.
I see no UV-lights on the vegetable deartment of supermarkets. Only the rosy-orange coloured kind of friendly lights that should prevent you from discriminating fresh green from old and already yellow apples.
Jimbuna
08-13-20, 06:22 AM
India registers more than 47,000 deaths, overtaking UK to become fourth-worst affected globally for fatalities.
After more than 100 days infection-free, New Zealand city of Auckland, under lockdown, records 14 more cases.
A-level results issued in England, Wales and Northern Ireland under controversial system due to coronavirus measures.
Number of civilians killed in conflict falls during coronavirus, UK charity says.
60% of North Korea's population facing food insecurity, worsened by coronavirus, US says.
Nearly 20.6 million cases and over 749,000 deaths registered globally - latest Johns Hopkins University tally.
Jimbuna
08-13-20, 06:35 AM
The number of patients admitted for routine treatment in hospitals in England was down 67% in June compared with the same time last year, NHS figures show.
An estimated 3.4 million people - or around 6% of the population - in England had already been infected with Covid-19 by mid-July, a new study suggests. The number is far higher than previous estimates. The number of confirmed cases, according to the Johns Hopkins University running tally, is around 315,000.
A primary school in Aberdeenshire in Scotland has been closed after a case of coronavirus was confirmed within the school team. Aberdeenshire Council said several staff from Peterhead Central Primary School are self-isolating.
NHS Orkney says it is "profoundly concerned" that the virus is spreading "rapidly" across the islands in northeast Scotland, as health leaders say several people had developed symptoms and travelled to homes in the isles and the mainland.
A surge in cases in Spain has prompted the authorities in the north-western Galicia region to ban smoking in public places if social distancing is not possible. Experts say smoking increases the risk of transmission, partly because masks are not worn and smokers project droplets when they exhale.
In Germany, where schools have been reopening in recent weeks, the environment agency has called for classrooms to be ventilated for 45 minutes after every lesson. It added that classrooms, offices and homes should also be ventilated with wide-open windows after every cough or sneeze.
A nurse in France was assaulted on a bus after she asked a group of teenagers to wear masks, police say. The attack happened in Paris and two people have been arrested.
Greece has reported its first case of Covid-19 in one of its overcrowded island asylum seeker camps, officials say. A 35-year-old man from Yemen in the Vial camp on the island of Chios has tested positive, a migration ministry official told the AFP news agency. "The man has been quarantined at the local hospital. Another 30 people are undergoing tests," the official said. More than 3,800 people are packed into the Vial camp, over three times its capacity.
Elsewhere, Ukraine has recorded a record daily jump of 1,592 cases. Infections have increased rapidly in recent months as lockdown measures have been eased.
The Australian state of Victoria has recorded 278 new coronavirus cases, its lowest daily increase in more than three weeks. The state has also recorded eight more deaths, lower than the 21 seen on Wednesday, Australia’s deadliest day of the pandemic yet.
New Zealand’s coronavirus outbreak will “get worse before it gets better”, the country’s prime minister has said, after 14 new infections were confirmed. Jacinda Ardern ordered the country’s biggest city, Auckland, back into lockdown after four new cases, all family members, were found earlier this week.
Indian cabinet minister Shripad Naik has tested positive for the coronavirus, he has announced on Twitter. Naik, whose briefs include defence, said his vital signs were normal, adding he would isolate himself at home.
A close adviser to Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro has said he has been diagnosed with coronavirus. Jorge Rodríguez, Venezuela’s communications minister, said he felt well despite testing positive for the virus and would go into quarantine.
The authorities in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen say that a surface sample taken from some frozen chicken wings imported from Brazil has tested positive for coronavirus.
Texas Red
08-13-20, 07:45 PM
Hello all
This is a little weird considering how late of a response this is.
I am writing this from the grave, don't ask how! :03::haha:
Turns out he just had a REALLY bad case of Pneumonia. He has a weird respiatory thing ( I don't know what to call it, a illness or a disease?) where he has allergies year round and he is very succeptible to Pneumonia.
And thanks for the support.
Sorry for the late response, my computer randomly shutt off last night and it only turned on about now. I was in the middle of writing this response when it shut off :doh:
Not nice what he has gone through but glad it wasn't Covid-19, a big relief for your family. :salute:
Jimbuna
08-14-20, 05:44 AM
Hello all
This is a little weird considering how late of a response this is.
I am writing this from the grave, don't ask how! :03::haha:
Turns out he just had a REALLY bad case of Pneumonia. He has a weird respiatory thing ( I don't know what to call it, a illness or a disease?) where he has allergies year round and he is very succeptible to Pneumonia.
And thanks for the support.
Sorry for the late response, my computer randomly shutt off last night and it only turned on about now. I was in the middle of writing this response when it shut off :doh:
Great to know but can you pick my lottery numbers for tomorrow nights draw :03:
Jimbuna
08-14-20, 05:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DiF7zYMbnQ
Jimbuna
08-14-20, 05:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQcS-UWBq4Q
Jimbuna
08-14-20, 05:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXctsOmYY8k
Skybird
08-14-20, 06:07 AM
A German study in a prominent German hotspot - Kupferzell, population 6000, infection rate 6-8% - finds that 30% of those who got infected have no signs of existing antibodies.
Of those who were confirmed to be infected, almost 17% had no symptoms. 83% had symptoms of varying severity, from "home-isolated but mildly to moderately painful", to "hospitalization necessary".
Jimbuna
08-14-20, 09:19 AM
People coming to the UK from France and the Netherlands must quarantine for 14 days from Saturday.
Travellers are rushing to get back to the UK before the measure comes into force at 04:00 BST
The UK quarantine measure also applies to people travelling from Monaco, Malta, Turks and Caicos, and Aruba.
France says the UK decision will lead to "reciprocal measures"
New Zealand extends lockdown of its largest city Auckland by at least 12 days amid new cases.
North Korea lifts a lockdown on a border city after what it said was an outbreak caused by a returning defector.
Jimbuna
08-14-20, 09:35 AM
The UK's estimated R number is unchanged at 0.8 to 1.0, according to the government.
Revellers in Scotland should limit the number of individual venues they visit after an outbreak of coronavirus was linked to city centre bars, Nicola Sturgeon has warned.
The Spanish government has announced it is closing bars and nightclubs and banning smoking in the street without a two-metre distance, as cases continue to rise in the country. Restaurants will have to close by 01:00 (23:00 GMT) and will have to stop admitting customers at midnight.
The European Commission has agreed to buy up to 400 million doses of a future vaccine from British pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca. In a statement, the commission said it would purchase 300 million doses, with an option to secure 100 million more, on behalf of the union's 27 member states.
Anthony Fauci, the doctor leading America's coronavirus response, says that temperature checks are not reliable for screening for the virus.
One of Peru’s regional governors has suggested that citizens eat llama and alpaca meat to fight the Covid-19 virus.
Up to 100 people are to be tested for coronavirus each week in The Gambia's capital city, Banjul. Mayor Rohey Lowe said the tests will be free of charge in the city that has a population of more than 400,000 people.
Skybird
08-14-20, 10:33 AM
Germany has now declared all Spain including Mallorca as risk areas. Now. Almost at the end of German holidays season.
That makes so much sense. First let them travel and get sick and give them opportunity to spread it as much as possible - and then issue a warning.:yeah:
The regional authorities over here also issued very sensible advice. They said "people should stay alert and attentive. "
Aaaah-ha.
Thank you for your helpfulness. :yeah: Very much appreciated to get such useful information.
It helps so much.
Really.
Looks like it will be mandatory to wear mask in public transportation here in Denmark.
Markus
Jimbuna
08-14-20, 01:28 PM
Germany has now declared all Spain including Mallorca as risk areas. Now. Almost at the end of German holidays season.
That makes so much sense. First let them travel and get sick and give them opportunity to spread it as much as possible - and then issue a warning.:yeah:
The regional authorities over here also issued very sensible advice. They said "people should stay alert and attentive. "
Aaaah-ha.
Thank you for your helpfulness. :yeah: Very much appreciated to get such useful information.
It helps so much.
Really.
Looking at the overall picture and with benefit of hindsight I reckon many countries who were previously containing it pretty effectively took there eyes off the ball and relaxed measures far too early.
Governments are obviously trying to combat the virus but also save their countries economies at the same time.
I'm not sure that is possible.
Skybird
08-14-20, 01:49 PM
A big "mishap" took place in Bavaria. Due to lacking digitalization, and volunteer helpers at testing checkpoiunts needing to transfer data by hand in writing, over ten thousand returning travellers got tested, but had to wait up to 11 days for their result, amongst them 1400 infected who unknowingly walked around infected - and infecting others. The results were known, but did not get transferred to the receivers.
First reflex was to blame the helpers, but it is not their fault, they stand in the sun in their plastic gear, bearing temperatures at up to 45°C in their suits on sunny days. Its because germany in internet and digital infrastructure is a development country, compared to some others.
And I am not talking of schools, where normally I do not welcome digitalization of teaching (in non-Corona times).
The whole issue is a first setback for chancellor hopeful Markus Söder (CSU, Bavarian minister president), whose approval rating had gone throught he ceiling in recent weeks. He had pushed for more testing, which was correct, but pushing beyond what Bavaria with the existing infrastructure could service - that was not correct.
More and more schools and indergardens get locked down after havign oepned just one week. Not yet a flood, but the trend is worrying, pointing upward.
Skybird
08-14-20, 01:54 PM
Looks like it will be mandatory to wear mask in public transportation here in Denmark.
Markus
????? Not yet...?
????? Not yet...?
It is their plan though.
However due to access to these mask all over Denmark, such a demand can come much later.
You can't enforce people to wear approved mask, if they can't get hold of them and furthermore-those who produce them will take an overprice for them.
Markus
Skybird
08-14-20, 05:00 PM
Who failed in making them available, taking care that they get produced? It has been 5 months! Cloth masks. Surgical masks. FFP2 masks, over here it all could be had now. And not at moonshine prices.
Looks like it will be mandatory to wear mask in public transportation here in Denmark.
Markus
We've had the mandatory mask requirement on public transportation for over a few months now here in Los Angeles; there is also a requirement that all passengers on buses board and exit through the back doors only so as to keep the drivers as distant from the public as possible; this include cordoning off the forward section of the buses 6-12 feet (depending on the model of the bus) behind the driver's seat; in effect, since the fare collection is at the front of the bus, the system is now a fare-free system...
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Jimbuna
08-15-20, 06:23 AM
It is their plan though.
However due to access to these mask all over Denmark, such a demand can come much later.
You can't enforce people to wear approved mask, if they can't get hold of them and furthermore-those who produce them will take an overprice for them.
Markus
It would appear your country is way behind just about every other country (especially in Europe) where face coverings are concerned.
Jimbuna
08-15-20, 06:43 AM
Thousands of holidaymakers have rushed back to the UK from France in a bid to avoid quarantine measures imposed from 04:00 BST. Those arriving after this cut-off must undergo a 14-day isolation period on their return.
The same rules apply to the Netherlands, Monaco, Malta, Turks and Caicos, and Aruba.
France reported 2,846 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours on Friday - the highest number since lockdown restrictions were eased.
France says it will take "reciprocal measures" and the Netherlands has warned against all but essential travel to the UK
Russia launches production of a vaccine amid concerns speed could compromise safety.
More than 764,000 people have died around the world, according to Johns Hopkins University data.
Global cases top 21m, with 5.3m in the US, 3.2m in Brazil and 2.5m in India.
Jimbuna
08-15-20, 06:52 AM
The Australian state of Victoria has reported a considerable drop in new cases, but officials have warned against complacency as the virus continues to spread in areas outside Melbourne.
Tens of thousands of demonstrators have filled the streets of South Korea's capital to voice their concerns on a wide range of issues, despite health officials' pleas to limit crowds amid a jump in coronavirus cases. A total of 166 new infections were announced on Saturday - South Korea's highest single-day total in five months.
Indian PM Narendra Modi has said the country is ready to mass produce vaccines for the virus when scientists give the go-ahead.
Crime in South Africa dropped by up to 40% during the first three months of its lockdown, official figures show.
New Zealand has reported seven new cases of the virus in Auckland after a lockdown was extended for almost two weeks in the city.
The Australian state of Victoria has recorded 303 new cases and four deaths - state authorities have urged continued vigilance despite signs the outbreak is past its peak.
Skybird
08-15-20, 07:02 AM
While it seems to some the high total numbers of new infections we have only are due to more testings being done, this only is the complete picture as long as you do not compare infection rates, means: the share of those infected in a sample of the population, thsi rate is in percentage and is independent from sample size. And that number it seems now is higher in Germany than it was in April and May. Also, the average age of infected people has massively dropped, it is many, many more middle-agers and young people now than before.
In hospitals, corona bed reservations had been reversed in recent months, and capacities given up. They now started to rebuild them again in more and more places.
That the disease is unsuspicious and asymptomatic in so many cases, is a curse. This helps to undermine discipline and willingess to follow hygienics rules. It would be of better help if patients escape from quarantine and out of their minds would run through the streets yelling in pain before dropping dead in place with bloody blains on their skin. Then everybody would follow hygienics rules voluntarily, and strictly. :shucks: But an invisible pandemic with its victims well-hidden from public is difficult to fight against. Maybe school classes and factory shifts should do day tours through intensive care units. Mandatorily - but at their own risk, of course.
Jimbuna
08-15-20, 11:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT-zWFnfhYI
It would appear your country is way behind just about every other country (especially in Europe) where face coverings are concerned.
Then-When WHO recommended we should we mask in public. The Danish health authorities and the government said to the Danish people.
Our test is showing otherwise. These mask does not protect.....
Now they have made a 180 digress turn and are now giving the Danes order to wear them in public transportation around the clock and in other places.
Markus
Jimbuna
08-15-20, 12:48 PM
^ I'm not sure if face coverings give any meaningful protection or not (air always choosing the path of least resistance) but out of choice I'm happy wearing mine when out shopping etc.
Skybird
08-15-20, 04:36 PM
So-called household-masks (cloth masks, cotton masks) do noit filter aerosols or virus, they are not fine enoughk, but they brake the airstream when you breathe out. The aerosl moves with slowe rintial starting speed and ake slighlt ylonger to trvael tjorzug the air untio it is everywsher ein the room. Its like sneezing with and without hand held before your mouth (or using your armpit nowadays)
For filtering aerosol particles and virus, you need FFP masks, without valves.
Surgeonm masks probbaly filter better tna cotton masks, but theiur problem is that they fit only loose and have open rims wehre much air gets inhaled and exhaled unfiltered, if they are noit fittign very tight.
If you can get them, use FFP2 and without valves. They do not provide total secfurity, but they do theirt part to move probabilitie sin your favour. Like hand washing does. Like social diistancing does. None of that gives you security, but it changes probabilites in your favour. Think of the single effects as being cumulative. Best protection is to not deal with people at all. Stay away, keep out, do not enter, if you can. And its not 2m social distance. Its several meters more.
^Throughout the day they have showed video clip on how to use these mask and which type of mask is best.
Here they say Type II/IIR protect others against you and protect you from your surroundings.
Type I protect only others from you and not you from others.
This is what we have been told all day.
Markus
Texas Red
08-15-20, 05:13 PM
Great to know but can you pick my lottery numbers for tomorrow nights draw :03:
:haha::yeah:
Not nice what he has gone through but glad it wasn't Covid-19, a big relief for your family. :salute:
It indeed was a big relief. :salute:
Skybird
08-15-20, 07:02 PM
^Throughout the day they have showed video clip on how to use these mask and which type of mask is best.
Here they say Type II/IIR protect others against you and protect you from your surroundings.
Type I protect only others from you and not you from others.
Sorry, I don't know that nomenclature you use in Denmark, Type I, II, IIR
I can tell you only that roughly European norm FFP2 is close to American norm N95 and Chinese-made norm KN-95, with the FFP2 filtering 94 and the KN95 filtering 95% of particles.
Further, European FFP3 is American norm N100 and China-made norm KN100, filtering 99% of particles. They never have ear-rubber rings, but rubber band that is around all the head so that there is more tension and a close fit for better sealing is guaranteed. An FFP3/KN100 mask with ear bands is not certified for that norm.
FFP stands for Filtering Face Piece.
The Chinese also have a separate norm for production quality standards, most common and demanded is now GB 2626-2019. This norm is not about the filtering performance, but the quality in the production processes.
Chinese masks that are no product counterfeits, but the original Chinese models from official production, are at least as good as the European and American norms demand, in case of KN95 and FFP2, they are even very slightly better (filtering 95% instead of demanded 94%).
Avoid FFP1, they are not "fine" enough for these Covid purposes.
Mr Quatro
08-15-20, 07:28 PM
https://scontent.ffar2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117798001_10157098042357015_7132566294152140368_n. jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=YHnhwWwhQsYAX9h0IL4&_nc_ht=scontent.ffar2-1.fna&oh=850346d0df86e5b4009ad8dc60de446b&oe=5F5FE976
,,, and a whopping great number of American trust Dr. Fauci over Trump...
... makes Trump a far distant third to Dr. Pepper, according to your post when it comes to Covid-19...
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Jimbuna
08-16-20, 06:49 AM
The WHO says 294,237 cases have been recorded in 24 hours.
New Zealand's deputy prime minister calls for an election delay as Covid-19 reappears in the country.
South Korea records its biggest outbreak of new cases in five months.
The UK exams regulator reviews guidance on how to appeal against exam grades issued after public exams were cancelled.
South Africa's president says infections appear to have peaked in the country.
More than 21.4 million cases and over 771,000 deaths are registered globally - latest Johns Hopkins University tally.
em2nought
08-16-20, 11:10 AM
^Throughout the day they have showed video clip on how to use these mask and which type of mask is best.
Here they say Type II/IIR protect others against you and protect you from your surroundings.
Type I protect only others from you and not you from others.
This is what we have been told all day.
Markus
So what kind of masks are you mask-debaters :D getting your hands on? :D
Jimbuna
08-16-20, 12:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVMdpBiHvCA
Sorry, I don't know that nomenclature you use in Denmark, Type I, II, IIR
Type I is a one layer mask.
Type II is a two layer mask(There are three layer)
Type IIR is a three layer mask
The last two types(II & IIR) are used in hospital and in Labs.
Edit
I made a search to find more information about these type of mask
Here is what it says about Type II
(Translated from Danish)
Face mask type 2 reduces the risk of infection both ways; both from the wearer and to the wearer. This type is used by healthcare professionals in contact with people with covid-19 and people who are suspected of being infected with covid-19.
The mask has a protective 3-layer filter with the following properties:
1. Waterproof layer that absorbs dust, odors and particles
2. Barrier layer that blocks bacteria
3. Soft inner layer that is comfortable against the skin
Type IIR:
This type also reduces the risk of infection both ways; both from the wearer and to the wearer. These face mask is used by surgical teams as they protect against blood and body fluids. "R" stands for splash resistant.
You can use type IIR face mask in the public space - e.g. when going by public transport. The mask is for single use only and you should therefore replace it after use or if it gets wet or dirty.
End edit
Markus
Mr Quatro
08-16-20, 01:27 PM
I had a flu shot last year in October and in March I got the flu for 6 weeks, at least I think it was the flu. :o
https://scontent.fbis1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117960706_10217668946543274_8790107299339668876_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=B-1Ma69I9LIAX--Zsld&_nc_ht=scontent.fbis1-1.fna&oh=9b3b4a22c920a777aeddc2f26cd0b7c4&oe=5F606AD3
skidman
08-16-20, 03:18 PM
Rubbish. Nobody knows the global over-all case fatality rate for COVID-19. ATM it is simply not possible to calculate it accurately. You will find a range of values between 0.6 and 6%. The value for the seasonal flu (WHO) is 0,1%.
Stop spreading lies. Your God hates it.
Rubbish. Nobody knows the global over-all case fatality rate for COVID-19. ATM it is simply not possible to calculate it accurately. You will find a range of values between 0.6 and 6%. The value for the seasonal flu (WHO) is 0,1%.
Stop spreading lies. Your God hates it.
What do you know about God?
I tell you in some way it's interesting to read and sometimes it's depressing.
Reading my friends comment on this Corona and their conspiracy-like of comments.
They do not lack imagination that's for sure.
Markus
Sailor Steve
08-16-20, 06:16 PM
What do you know about God?
He knows no more than you, or I, or anyone else, no matter what they may claim.
He knows no more than you, or I, or anyone else, no matter what they may claim.
Then why is he telling people what their God is feeling? And why do you choose to attack me instead of him? Is it ok to criticize believers but not unbelievers?
Mr Quatro
08-16-20, 06:56 PM
HERE WE GO AGAIN :o
come on man blame the Jews :yep:
HERE WE GO AGAIN :o
come on man blame the Jews :yep:
You know they want to.
Sailor Steve
08-16-20, 07:57 PM
Then why is he telling people what their God is feeling?
He'll have to answer that himself, but it's a fair question.
And why do you choose to attack me instead of him?
Also a fair question. First, I don't "choose" to attack anyone, any more than we "choose" who we like.
Is it ok to criticize believers but not unbelievers?
I didn't really see it as an attack so much as a counter-attack. And no, it's not OK to attack anyone, ever. Disagreeing with someone might be taken for an attack, but scrapping over an idea is not the same thing. Putting the shoe on the other foot, is it alright for a believer to criticize a non-believer but not another believer? Setting aside for a moment ideas about fairness and intellectual honesty, it would be a little silly to take the other side in a heated argument (though that might make some of us think more carefully).
So no, it wasn't an attack, any more than anything you've said has been an attack.
Mr Quatro
08-16-20, 08:09 PM
I had a flu shot last year in October and in March I got the flu for 6 weeks, at least I think it was the flu. :o
https://scontent.fbis1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117960706_10217668946543274_8790107299339668876_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=B-1Ma69I9LIAX--Zsld&_nc_ht=scontent.fbis1-1.fna&oh=9b3b4a22c920a777aeddc2f26cd0b7c4&oe=5F606AD3
This is the posting that started it all, but all I wanted to do is point out that if you can't cure everyone with the flu even though there is a vaccine ...
How can you cure everyone with Covid-19 (or even stop it) after there is a vaccine?
You can't ... This thing, this fear thing, will be with us even after there is a vaccine. :yep:
Buddahaid
08-16-20, 08:43 PM
Then why is he telling people what their God is feeling? And why do you choose to attack me instead of him? Is it ok to criticize believers but not unbelievers?
What attack? Thin skinned these days?
Buddahaid
08-16-20, 09:13 PM
This is the posting that started it all, but all I wanted to do is point out that if you can't cure everyone with the flu even though there is a vaccine ...
How can you cure everyone with Covid-19 (or even stop it) after there is a vaccine?
You can't ... This thing, this fear thing, will be with us even after there is a vaccine. :yep:
And I'll take that poster as demonstrating the effectiveness of the measures that have been taken, not a condemnation of taking them. :up:
He'll have to answer that himself, but it's a fair question.
Also a fair question. First, I don't "choose" to attack anyone, any more than we "choose" who we like.
I didn't really see it as an attack so much as a counter-attack. And no, it's not OK to attack anyone, ever. Disagreeing with someone might be taken for an attack, but scrapping over an idea is not the same thing. Putting the shoe on the other foot, is it alright for a believer to criticize a non-believer but not another believer? Setting aside for a moment ideas about fairness and intellectual honesty, it would be a little silly to take the other side in a heated argument (though that might make some of us think more carefully).
So no, it wasn't an attack, any more than anything you've said has been an attack.
Sure thing Steve...
em2nought
08-17-20, 12:10 AM
I'm offended that no one even snickered at the joke I stole from Greg Gutfeld. :03:
This thread has gone viral. :yep:
skidman
08-17-20, 01:46 AM
This is the posting that started it all, but all I wanted to do is point out that if you can't cure everyone with the flu even though there is a vaccine ...
How can you cure everyone with Covid-19 (or even stop it) after there is a vaccine?
Well, you failed and the poster does not aim to explain the limitations of vaccination. It was put together to trivialize COVID-19. We both know that.
We both noticed the hashtag in the bottom right corner.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
What do you know about God?
Well, he does know his version of God doesn't tolerate lying...
...what about yours? How does He feel about lying?...
Regarding death rates, comparison to the flu or any other disease is fallacious on its face; its an apple and oranges situation, sort of like comparing stomach cancer to stomach ulcer; both affect the same area of the body, but are widely and wildly different in what they do to a human body...
Covid-19 is not "just like the flu", nor is it "gong to magically disappear", and nor, in particular, is "just the sniffles"...
Consider this: if, say, a food contamination killed almost 10,000 in the US in the space of just week, we'd see a call of alarm and a demand for action from a responsible government; if it killed over 17,000 in a week, imagine what the uproar would be; yet Covid-19 did just that in the weeks of 4/4 & 4/18/2020, respectively; in fact, since March 28, 2020, there has yet to be a week without at least 1,000 US deaths:
Daily Updates of Totals by Week and State (CDC) --
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Add to the above all the cases worldwide and it is a bleak situation...
Or, how about this: if a situation, say a disaster like a flood killed 1,000 US citizens in a week, would we find find it acceptable if the response was "Well, it was just a light shower..." and a cold shoulder...?...
Instead of trying to twist the facts (also known as lying, BTW) by those in political power and them wondering why a suffering populace doesn't like them, maybe they should just twist less and do the damned jobs they were elected to do...
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Skybird
08-17-20, 05:02 AM
When "God" is brought up about a scientific issue, than all is lost. Becasue then it is never about scientific reason, but about "Why is it that God wants it so?" I strictly recommend to stop bringing religion into this. If you go it all the way, you necessarily end up trapped inside the mental void where the Taliban came from.
Psychology. Struggling to cope with reality. Defence mechanisms.
With so much information available about the severity of the coronavirus and the need to follow guidelines, some people still refuse to accept reality. The denial manifests itself in many ways, whether that be refusing to wear a mask or attending large gatherings.
Using denial as a coping mechanism is not always a bad choice. Short-term, it gives someone the time to adjust to a situation. When it becomes a long-term crutch and puts others in harm's way, it can be dangerous.
There's also a psychology term called rationalism, which people often confuse with denial. It's a defense mechanism where people try to justify unacceptable behavior.
Both denial and rationalization are considered to be maladaptive, meaning they don't help the individual adapt to the source of the threat. It can actually expose them to an even greater chance of whatever that threatening thing is.
Full interview with a psychologist:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/16/health/pandemic-covid-19-denial-mental-health-wellness/index.html
Jimbuna
08-17-20, 05:26 AM
Some 315 people connected to South Korea's Sarang Jeil Church test positive in the county's biggest outbreak for months.
New Zealand's general election is postponed by a month because of a fresh Covid-19 outbreak.
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is under pressure to end row over A-Levels in England amid growing anger.
Japan's economy - the world's third biggest - suffers the biggest contraction in modern history.
The scaled-down Democratic party convention begins later in the US, largely held online.
Globally more than 775,000 people have died and 21.6m cases have been reported, according to Johns Hopkins University.
Jimbuna
08-17-20, 05:46 AM
Peru registered its highest number of daily cases on Sunday with 10,143 confirmed infections. In total, there have been more than 525,000 cases. Health Minister Pilar Mazzetti said that without the strict lockdown the government imposed early on in the pandemic, more than half a million people would have died rather than the 26,000 who have lost their lives until now.
Bolivia, Peru's southern neighbour, passed the 100,000 total cases mark on Sunday - but experts warn that the pandemic there is not expected to reach its peak until September. Among the more than 4,000 people who have died of Covid-related diseases in Bolivia is Esther Morales, the sister of former President Evo Morales, who died in hospital on Sunday.
The government of Chile has launched a $34bn (£25.9bn) recovery plan, which aims to create 250,000 jobs to counteract some of the losses incurred during the pandemic. The number of jobs lost during the pandemic in the country is estimated at 1.8 million.
South Africa is beginning to ease coronavirus restrictions today, allowing sales of alcohol and cigarettes to resume.
Lebanon’s caretaker health minister has called for a two-week lockdown after a resurgence of Covid-19 in the wake of the devastating explosion in Beirut on 4 August.
Authorities in Jordan sealed off the northern town of Ramtha, which is close to the border with Syria, following a spike in new Covid-19 cases.
Iraq barred foreign tourists from entering the country to help limit the spread of coronavirus ahead of the Shia Muslim religious rituals of Ashura, which start at the end of August. Millions of people traditionally gather at shrines and mosques in the city of Karbala and elsewhere.
On Sunday Malaysia’s health ministry said it had detected the now globally dominant D614G mutation of the coronavirus, warning in a post on Facebook that it was “10 times more infectious”. But an infectious diseases expert says there is “no basis” to that figure.
Jimbuna
08-17-20, 07:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBPwEuWVbXQ
Skybird
08-17-20, 07:35 AM
Damage to liver more serious than previously thought, new cohort study from Yale reports.
https://aasldpubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hep.31487
Mr Quatro
08-17-20, 09:55 AM
and then we always have Spain to laugh at (sorry if we have a member from spain) :yep:
Spaniards hold anti-mask protest in Madrid as Covid-19 cases rise
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB181RNT.img?h=416&w=799&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f&x=1363&y=1056
Protesters held up home-made placards featuring slogans that included "The virus does not exist", "Masks kill" and "We are not afraid".
The demonstration drew a variety of attendees, including conspiracy theorists, libertarians and opponents of vaccination.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/europe/europe-top-stories/spaniards-hold-anti-mask-protest-in-madrid-as-covid-19-cases-rise/ar-BB182a3p?ocid=uxbndlbing
Buddahaid
08-17-20, 10:28 AM
I see dead people.
Onkel Neal
08-17-20, 10:58 AM
Whoa!
New Zealand Prime Minister delays election over Covid-19
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-08-17-20-intl/h_dd246f2aea5f4fe2d2525ee50c62d9e8
Ok, Trump, don't get any ideas.... :doh:
Skybird
08-17-20, 11:12 AM
So far it was believed that infected people are infectous towards others in the last two days before they form symptoms themselves (illness breaks out). But the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule Zurich (ETH Zürich) says they found this is wrong - and that infected people are infectous for others already six days in advance.
The study was run in cooperation with one of the leading Asien epidemiologists, Gabriel Leung.
https://smw.ch/article/doi/smw.2020.20336
The same group of scientists also showed substantial errors in one of the most basic studies there are, that form the theoretical fundament for contact tracing. To catch 90% of contacts, one would need to track contacts not just of the past two days, but four days, and that makes htings an awful lot more complicated (and may explain why currently the poandemci is spreaidng again despite the best of efforts in some countries to keep it under control).
The new result were shown to the authors of earlier studies whose results now got corrected. These authors checked the new study's results and accepted the corrections as "correct".
Skybird
08-17-20, 11:15 AM
Whoa!
New Zealand Prime Minister delays election over Covid-19
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-08-17-20-intl/h_dd246f2aea5f4fe2d2525ee50c62d9e8
Ok, Trump, don't get any ideas.... :doh:
Thankfully he cannot delay elections without contradicting his own claims on the pandemic's harmlessness and anything being fine.
:06:
But wait, we talk about Trumpoman, Master of the Egoverse, for whom self-contradictions never apply and who prides himself for that he never is responsible for anything... :-?
Jimbuna
08-17-20, 11:57 AM
I see dead people.
Yep, you and me both :yep:
MN Governor Quietly Reverses Course on Hydroxychloroquine
This past week Minnesota became the second state to reject regulations that effectively ban the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine for use by COVID-19 patients.
The decision, which comes two weeks after the Ohio Board of Pharmacy reversed an effective ban of its own, was rightfully praised by local health care advocates. “We are pleased that Governor [Tim] Walz lifted his March 27 Executive Order 20-23 restrictions on chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine,” said Twila Brase, president of Citizens’ Council for Health Freedom.
The reversal by Walz, a first-term Democrat, clears the way for doctors to prescribe hydroxychloroquine, a drug commonly used to treat malaria and other conditions but one the FDA has declined to recommend for COVID-19 treatment.
The decision is the latest development in the weird saga of arguably the most divisive drug in modern history. The acrimony began in March after President Trump tweeted that hydroxychloroquine had the potential to be “one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine” as a treatment for the coronavirus.
The tweet and similar statements provoked an avalanche of media criticism, with many claiming that the president was going to get people killed. Critics pointed out that medical evidence suggests the medication is linked to a fatal arrhythmia and some trials show no benefits in coronavirus treatments.
Though his critics are likely loath to admit it, there’s reason to believe the president may have been on to something. In recent weeks a chorus of voices in the medical community has emerged to challenge the view that hydroxychloroquine is ineffective as a COVID treatment. Dr. Harvey A. Risch, a professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health, said a full analysis of the literature suggests hydroxychloroquine may be the key to defeating the coronavirus.
“Physicians who have been using these medications in the face of widespread skepticism have been truly heroic,” Risch wrote in Newsweek, adding that a full review of the COVID literature on the drug shows “clear-cut and significant benefits.”
Prescribing hydroxychloroquine in the early stages of the virus is key, Risch said, and others agree. Steven Hatfill, a veteran virologist and adjunct assistant professor at the George Washington University Medical Center, says the literature supporting hydroxychloroquine is overwhelming.
“There are now 53 studies that show positive results of hydroxychloroquine in COVID infections,” Hatfill wrote in RealClearPolitics. “There are 14 global studies that show neutral or negative results -- and 10 of them were of patients in very late stages of COVID-19, where no antiviral drug can be expected to have much effect.”
One of the positive studies, published by Henry Ford Health System, was a large-scale retrospective of six hospitals. Analyzing 2,541 patients, it found that those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died at about half the rate of patients not treated with it.
It’s unclear if it was this research that prompted Walz to reverse his March ruling, which ordered the Board of Pharmacists to instruct pharmacists to not issue hydroxychloroquine prescriptions unless the diagnosis was “appropriate” -- which halted any off-label prescription requests.
The reason it’s unclear is that Walz has been mum on why he rescinded his order. There’s been no announcement or new stories. Local lawmakers told me they had no idea Walz had reversed course.
“There’s been absolutely no transparency here,” said Dr. Scott Jensen, a Republican state senator who criticized Walz’s approach. Jensen, who has practiced medicine for more than 30 years in Minnesota, told me pharmacists he’s worked with for years told him they could not fill a hydroxychloroquine prescription for COVID because of the March executive order.
He agrees that hydroxychloroquine is terribly misunderstood by the public and said politicians need to take a step back. “Hydroxychloroquine is one of the most studied drugs in the history of mankind,” Jensen said. “My wife was on hydroxychloroquine for 15 years. It’s been on the World Health Organization’s list of essential medicines for decades. It’s been in play since 1955, the year after I was born.”
Hydroxychloroquine might be politically controversial, but that hasn’t stopped some of its critics from taking advantage of the drug. In a May interview, former presidential hopeful Sen. Amy Klobuchar admitted her husband was successfully treated with hydroxychloroquine, a medication she had mocked on Twitter.
The politics of hydroxychloroquine are unlikely to cool before November’s presidential election. Yet, if Walz’s decision is any indication, at least some leaders are starting to recognize the ethical dilemma of using the long arm of government to stand between suffering patients and a drug that may have the potential to save them.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/08/17/mn_governor_quietly_reverses_course_on_hydroxychlo roquine__143978.html
Sailor Steve
08-17-20, 09:15 PM
Sure thing Steve...
That's it? I open up and try to engage in an honest conversation and in return I get "Sure thing Steve..."? Are you interested in an honest conversation? Are you capable?
I notice that most of your posts involve not discussion or an interest in a sharing of ideas, but dismissal of anyone who might disagree with you. Apparently you are convinced you are right, anyone with a differing opinion is automatically wrong, and if they argue with you they aren't worth listening to.
Texas Red
08-17-20, 09:29 PM
Are y'all gonna fight like little kids or are you gonna be civil and act like actual adults here?
Please stop it with the fighting, I don't really like it and I'm sure that other people don't like it either....
Mr Quatro
08-17-20, 09:48 PM
Are y'all gonna fight like little kids or are you gonna be civil and act like actual adults here?
Please stop it with the fighting, I don't really like it and I'm sure that other people don't like it either....
They've been doing this for years, the beast :yep:
Welcome back Steve don't forget to take your meds :D
Buddahaid
08-17-20, 10:40 PM
Are y'all gonna fight like little kids or are you gonna be civil and act like actual adults here?
Please stop it with the fighting, I don't really like it and I'm sure that other people don't like it either....
There is no fight because it always ends up the same way. Walls are erected where there is no discussion and either party, to a side, sits on their toadstools of righteousness, posting evidence that is suspect and, blah, blah, blah...
For the record, I side with Steve in his observation but that is also of no matter.
Oh wait, this is the virus thread. I still see dead people pretending it's a left wing conspiracy.
Skybird
08-18-20, 05:16 AM
To be precise, I see more dead people than originally there had to be, but for the most I see very many people who attract serious health conditions for no other reason than their studity and/or dysfunctional compliance with unwanted realities, health cinditions that can last for months and in a prominent share of patients: even years and will reduce the life expectancy of men and women by 11-13 years if calculating preconditions and age out of the formula.
Many people of those being labelled as "recovered", have not really recovered after months and months, they just need no permanent stay in hospital. We have just started to understand this thing that currently lives by many different names, like Post-Covid-Syndrome, Covid-Exhaustion-Syndrome, and so forth. These even exclude separate problems like unrepairable tissue damages in inner organ tissues, in the lngs, in the brain's neural structure.
The question of immunity is still another hot issue. Mild forms of ifnection do not provide you with immunity lasting longer for just a few months, 2-5 months or so, it seems. Herd immunity by "cobtrolled" infeciton of th epeople? It has been shown already longer time ago that with what we know now, it would take 10 years at least to reach a temporary immunization of the population of 90%.
Controlled mass nfection simply is no option, not from a communal point of view (takes many years too long) and not from an ethical individual point of view (yo do damage to the ndividual and even risk his severe health degradation, suffering, health damage for the rrest of life, in some cases even death: maybe it is acceptable to think like this for Kim in North Korea, but we should think better of ourselves).
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Welcome back, Steve! ;)
Jimbuna
08-18-20, 05:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSVLeEtjP-4
Jimbuna
08-18-20, 06:11 AM
Three coronavirus cases have been confirmed at Olympique de Marseille (OM), one of France’s top clubs. This jeopardises the start of the new Ligue 1 football season on Friday, when OM are due to play Saint Etienne. In total OM now has four cases – and four is the threshold for postponing a match.
Spain's surge in cases is taking a big toll on its vital tourism sector. On Monday Spain reported 1,833 new Covid infections in the past 24 hours – more than three times last month’s average. Spain’s post-lockdown record for daily infections was on Friday, with 2,987 confirmed new cases.
Greece expects to receive a first batch of Covid-19 vaccines in December, under an EU deal envisaging three million doses in total for Greece. But the vaccine developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca still has to pass phase four of clinical trials in November.
Finland’s Prime Minister, Sanna Marin, says she has mild respiratory symptoms and is self-isolating again – for the fourth time. She will continue teleworking and will have a new coronavirus test.
Brazil has been one of the countries hit worst by the coronavirus pandemic, with nearly 3.5 million cases and more than 100,000 deaths. President Jair Bolsonaro has played down the risks of the illness, calling it a "little flu".
Thousands of demonstrators defied the lockdown in force in the Argentine capital, Buenos Aires, to join anti-government protests on Monday. Marches were also held in other major Argentine cities.
India has registered more than 50,000 Covid-19 deaths, overtaking the UK to become the fourth-worst-affected country for fatalities. But the number of deaths per million people stands at 34 - far lower than what has been reported in Europe or North America.
Globally more than 774,000 people have died with Covid-19 and nearly 22m cases have been reported.
Jimbuna
08-18-20, 11:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Z6wdu1eI0
@Jimbuna...
I know its been said before, but I'd like to add my appreciation for your posts of Covid-19 news headlines and those great series of videos; they have been very informative and the headlines have more than once caused me to further seek out the stories behind them... :salute: :yeah:
<O>
Onkel Neal
08-18-20, 05:09 PM
Wuhan Holds Huge Concert Pool Party After Three Months Of No Reported Coronavirus Cases
Hmmm... I wonder why the US isn't covid free by now? Oh yeah, I know.
Wuhan has reportedly not detected any locally transmitted coronavirus cases in three months. It has been largely attributed to a strict 76-day lockdown on the city, but others have questioned the validity of official Chinese reports on the number of cases and deaths caused by the virus.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/08/18/wuhan-holds-huge-concert-pool-party-after-three-months-of-no-reported-coronavirus-cases/#539dad25e0ef
https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5f3c040ce9a3ca2244923b6b/960x0.jpg?cropX1=0&cropX2=3000&cropY1=152&cropY2=1839
Mr Quatro
08-18-20, 07:06 PM
They sure do look happy ... happier than the people in North Korea for sure. :yep:
Can't wait to see pictures like this for the next NFL football season just three and half weeks from now. :up:
Buddahaid
08-18-20, 07:46 PM
They sure do look happy ... happier than the people in North Korea for sure. :yep:
Can't wait to see pictures like this for the next NFL football season just three and half weeks from now. :up:
OMG! School starting and then that! It could have happened if the US really took the disease seriously enough, and early enough, to stop it cold. But hey, that is limiting my freedom to spread disease....
Yeah! The God-given 'Murican Right to Bear Germs... :D
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Jimbuna
08-19-20, 06:06 AM
@Jimbuna...
I know its been said before, but I'd like to add my appreciation for your posts of Covid-19 news headlines and those great series of videos; they have been very informative and the headlines have more than once caused me to further seek out the stories behind them... :salute: :yeah:
<O>
Positive feedback is always appreciated :up:
Jimbuna
08-19-20, 06:09 AM
Australia says it has secured access to a promising coronavirus vaccine and will offer free doses. The country's PM Scott Morrison backtracks after saying the vaccine should be "as mandatory as you can possibly make it" The vaccine, being developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University, is in advanced clinical trials.
South Korea's capital Seoul closes museums, nightclubs and karaoke bars after cases spike.
US stocks hit a new high after the coronavirus crash despite continuing worries about the economic impact.
Ministers in England are under pressure to lift limits on the numbers studying medicine at university after the school exam grading system was changed.
Jimbuna
08-19-20, 06:21 AM
Attacks on police in London have risen sharply during the coronavirus lockdown, exclusive figures have shown. Met Police figures showed 2,027 assaults on officers were recorded between May and July, a 38% increase compared with the same period in 2019.
Northern Ireland's health minister has said he will be recommending restrictions to the executive to curb the increasing spread of Covid-19.
The Republic of Ireland's cabinet has reversed some of its lockdown relaxation measures as it attempts to deal with rising Covid-19 case numbers.
Supporters of Paris St-Germain took to the streets to celebrate their side's victory in the semi-final of the Champions League. Hundreds of fans thronged the Champs-Élysées, but many ignored requirements to wear face masks. France has seen a sharp rise in cases since July and masks are already widely used.
Finland announced it was re-introducing travel restrictions for a number of countries including its Nordic neighbours. These include Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Greece, Malta, and Germany. Iceland, meanwhile, announced new travel restrictions of its own.
Elsewhere, cases are continuing to spike around Europe. Germany recorded 1,510 cases in 24 hours – its highest daily figure since May. Greece also reported its own record daily figure of 269 cases on Tuesday.
And Spain is believed to have had the highest rate of infection in Europe over the past 14 days. According to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, there were 132.2 cases per 100,000 people during that period.
A court in New Zealand says the government overstepped its powers in implementing a lockdown earlier this year, but conceded it was justified.
The High Court issued its findings over restrictions imposed between 26 March and 3 April, the early stages of a five-week lockdown. Wellington lawyer Andrew Borrowdale had challenged the legality of the steps.
A Chinese firm constructing a cement factory in Mozambique's capital, Maputo, has been confining about 60 local workers on the construction site since March.
A company representative says the decision was taken to prevent possible transmission of coronavirus from the workers to their employer.
The number of coronavirus cases has spiked again in India, with the country recording more than 64,000 new cases in the last 24 hours. Total cases in the country are now nearing 2.8 million.
Jimbuna
08-19-20, 11:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdUPYyiGu-E
Texas Red
08-19-20, 08:46 PM
Can't wait to see pictures like this for the next NFL football season just three and half weeks from now. :up:
I cannot wait for the next NFL season!!
GO PACKERS!! :up:
Surprisingly, we have made it a week into school without, as far as I know, a single case of COVID for the students at my school. Some schools in Indiana closed only after 3 days.
Maybe it helps that the school I go to is out in the country and it is isolated from most of the busy parts of our town.
Skybird
08-20-20, 04:55 AM
Over 1700 new infection in one day in Germany. Thats the highest since April. Returning travellers and a lack of social distancing and hygienics discipline are the reasons. Main countries of infection returners, are Kosovo, Croatia, and Turkey, followed by Bulgaria and Bosnia-Herzegovina.
Jimbuna
08-20-20, 05:17 AM
Germany has reported its highest daily infection rate for the coronavirus since April.
Spain and Italy also logged their highest daily figures in months on Wednesday and cases are rising steadily in France.
Australian airline Qantas reports an annual loss of almost A$2bn (£1bn; $1.4bn) as it struggles with the impact of the pandemic.
India has reported a record daily increase of 69,652 infections on Thursday, taking the total number of cases there to 2.84 million.
South Korea tightens restrictions as the country sees a spike in new cases linked mostly to a church.
More than 787,000 deaths have been recorded worldwide, according to data collated by Johns Hopkins University.
Jimbuna
08-20-20, 05:23 AM
The UK may remove Croatia from its “safe list” of countries as early as Thursday. It follows a significant rise in the number of cases in Croatia – the 14-day cumulative number is 37.7 per 100,000, compared to 21 in the UK. British health authorities have also identified coronavirus cases “imported” from Croatia.
Croatia reported a record number of new coronavirus cases on Wednesday. Some 219 people tested positive for Covid-19, including a player for Croatian football league champions Dinamo Zagreb.
Slovenia is also expected to place Croatia on its “red list” for travel on Thursday. Arrivals from Croatia are likely to face a 14-day quarantine from the weekend.
Germany has recorded 1,707 infections in 24 hours - the highest number since 26 April. The increase is reportedly down to travellers returning from abroad as well as a lack of social distancing and hygiene.
In France, which has recorded another 3,776 cases and 399 active "clusters", the southern city of Nice has announced that wearing masks is now compulsory everywhere outside, not just in the centre.
Spain has seen another 127 deaths in the past 24 hours as well as 3,715 new infections. As in Germany, that infection rate has not been seen since late April. El País newspaper reports that many of the new infections are in residential homes for the elderly - that was the setting for many of the deaths in the initial outbreak.
Italy has also reported a sharp rise in infections, with 642 new cases in its latest daily count. The number isn't as high as some other European countries but these infection rates haven't been seen there since late May.
Authorities in the South Korean capital, Seoul, have banned gatherings of more than 10 people after new cases of coronavirus reached a five-month high.
Jimbuna
08-20-20, 06:26 AM
Bakkavor food factory Newark: 74 test positive out of 1,130 employees tested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-53818058
So much for heading back to work.
Mr Quatro
08-20-20, 09:40 AM
Gee no polls within a thread?
Do y'all think that mask and social distanting work?
Sure worked for Wuhan China :yep:
I think so especially like the beast said he lives in a rural area like I do and his school is virus free (so far) :yep:
Only 7 cases in my area ... I've only been to the big city twice in four (4) months.
Jimbuna
08-20-20, 12:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAzJ-OP-itE
Skybird
08-21-20, 04:59 AM
Berlin reports that they have now 37 schools "coronadized". Regulations for schools differ from state to state, in Berlin pupils must wera masks on the backyard and in the corridors - but not in the classrooms during lessons. That makes so much sense. :o In my own state, Northrhine Westphalia, they must wear masks even during classes.
German health offices also say they are unable to keep even close track of holiday retuners and cannot minitor the obligation beign followed to be tested on the airport on arrival.
Croatia'S govenrment admitted that they knew they were pushign infections upwards, but accepted that in a bid to boost their tourism economy. The problem i have with that is that they did not just acept it for their own population - but ours as well. Thak you. I take it that it is like this in the other tourism coutnries, too: get the moeny from tourism, and do not worry about tourists exporting the pandemic back to their countries.
Germany should have done like Belgium: simply banning holiday travels beyond the border. Its not a coup d'etat. Its a pandemic.
Jimbuna
08-21-20, 05:26 AM
South Korea sees 324 new cases of coronavirus, its highest single day total since March, with most cases traced to churches.
US Democratic White House nominee Joe Biden attacks Donald Trump's coronavirus response, saying "he failed to protect us"
UK holidaymakers race to return home before quarantine rules kick in for Croatia, Austria and Trinidad and Tobago.
A ban on landlords evicting tenants in England and Wales ends this weekend, sparking concern from homelessness charities.
Australia's PM hails "a week of increased hope" after its lowest increase in cases in five weeks.
Jimbuna
08-21-20, 05:33 AM
Spanish Health Minister Fernando Simón warned: "Let there be no mistake, things are not going well". For the past two days Spain has counted more than 3,000 new cases. The big concern right now is young people: "I understand people want to party, but there are ways of doing it," Mr Simón said.
France has seen an even more dramatic rise in cases - 4,771 infections and 35 new clusters in 24 hours - and Education Minister Jean-Michel Blanquer says when schools go back in two weeks, pupils aged over 11 will have to wear face-coverings. Nursery teachers will also be asked to wear them.
In Italy, where cases are rising sharply too, the National Institute of Health says the median age for infections in the past week is as low as 30. The R rate of transmission is still below 1 but officials are warning that cases have been seen in all areas of Italy.
Lithuania has made the wearing of masks compulsory at all events, indoors and out, and also at all catering establishments.
While UK travellers to Croatia are having to return by 04:00 BST (03:00 GMT) on Saturday or face 14 days of quarantine, Germany has placed two Croatian regions on its "red list", and neighbouring Slovenia has given travellers to Croatia until Monday to come back if they want to avoid quarantine.
A 33-year-old man has been sentenced to six weeks in jail after breaking quarantine rules, the New Zealand Herald reports. Earlier this month, Jesse Courtney Welsh went into an isolation facility in Auckland to visit a friend who was quarantining after returning from Australia. This was already a breach, but then Welsh, in the words of the judge, made "matters worse" by hugging his friend.
Jimbuna
08-22-20, 04:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xOO9t5HWYs
Jimbuna
08-22-20, 04:52 AM
India records more than 69,000 new cases, with its overall tally now close to three million.
South Korea extends new coronavirus restrictions nationwide in an attempt to control a resurgence of the virus.
UK tourists have been dashing home as new coronavirus travel rules kick in for Croatia, Austria, and Trinidad and Tobago.
WHO head says the pandemic could be over within two years.
The global death toll is just under 800,000, with close to 23 million registered cases worldwide, according to Johns Hopkins University.
More than 14 million people have recovered from the virus.
Jimbuna
08-22-20, 10:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnkYr8KSYR8
Jimbuna
08-23-20, 04:49 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/tgv7D2D1/114070837-cases-deaths1-2208-nc.png (https://postimages.org/)
Jimbuna
08-23-20, 05:17 AM
South Korea reports its highest single-day rise in infections since early March as strict new measures come into force.
Children are more likely to be harmed by not returning to school than if they catch Covid-19, the UK's chief medical adviser says.
India, which has the highest number of new infections in the world, records a total of more than three million cases.
England to introduce fines of up to £10,000 for people organising illegal raves.
The global coronavirus death toll stands at 800,000 people worldwide.
Jimbuna
08-23-20, 09:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bldTawjH3Yw
Jimbuna
08-23-20, 10:07 AM
The number of coronavirus cases in Scotland has risen by 83 in the last 24 hours. A total of 19,811 people have now tested positive for Covid-19. No deaths linked to the virus were registered since Saturday so the total remains at 2,492.
Several politicians in Germany are calling for a temporary ban on private parties after the country saw its highest rise in new infections since late April. On Saturday the Robert Koch Institute reported 2,034 new confirmed cases, taking the total up to 232,082.
Italy's health minister has said there will be no second lockdown in the country, despite the number of new daily cases rising above 1,000 for the first time since restrictions were eased in May.
US Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has said that if he were elected in November he would be willing to shut down the country again to control the spread of the virus, if scientists recommended it. "I would shut it down, I would listen to the scientists," he said, adding that he would "be prepared to do whatever it takes to save lives, because we cannot get the country moving until we control the virus". President Donald Trump - his rival for the 3 November election - responded by tweeting that Biden "has no clue!"
Pakistan has recorded its lowest number of daily deaths since March, the Associated Press news agency reports. On Sunday, the country's National Command and Control Center said there had been four deaths and 591 new infections in the past 24 hours, bringing the total number of cases to more than 292,000, with 6,235 fatalities.
At least 13 people have died in a stampede at a nightclub in the Peruvian capital, Lima, after it was raided by police for breaking coronavirus rules.
[NFA] U.S. President Donald Trump on Sunday hailed Food & Drug Administration authorization of a coronavirus treatment that uses blood plasma from patients who have recovered from COVID-19.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-trump/trump-hails-fdas-authorization-of-plasma-treatment-for-coronavirus-after-slamming-agency-idUSKBN25J0OD
Jimbuna
08-24-20, 05:25 AM
New Zealand extends lockdown measures in its largest city, Auckland, as the PM calls 2020 a "frankly terrible year"
The US Food and Drug Administration gives emergency authorisation for the use of plasma to treat coronavirus patients.
South Korea tightens social distancing requirements as daily new cases continue to rise.
France and Italy record their highest numbers of daily cases since May.
UK PM Boris Johnson says it is "vitally important" children go back to school.
The world has had 23 million confirmed cases and more than 800,000 related deaths, Johns Hopkins University says.
Jimbuna
08-24-20, 05:32 AM
Much of the continent is facing a sharp rise in coronavirus cases. France reported its highest daily figure since May on Sunday, and its health minister said the majority of these new cases were circulating among the under-40s
Germany, Spain, Italy and the Czech Republic also recorded major daily increases over the weekend.
In Germany, politicians are calling for a temporary ban on private parties to combat the rise. "Since the start of summer a certain recklessness has spread," Ralph Brinkhaus, the leader of the CDU/CSU conservative parliamentary bloc, said.
And in Italy, Sicily's governor said he wanted to close migrant centres on the island. He alleged they were hotspots for Covid-19 transmission, but the Italian government in Rome said he did not have the authority to close them.
Ukraine's former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has tested positive for the virus and is in a serious condition in hospital, a spokeswoman said. She served as PM twice and ran for president in 2010 and 2014
Rwanda recorded 200 cases on Sunday - the highest number in a single day since it reported its first case in March. The country now has more than 3,000 cases of the virus, with almost 1,000 of them recorded in the last two weeks.
South Africa's students in all grades resume classes today, after weeks of closure because of the pandemic. President Cyril Ramaphosa closed the schools in July after they were briefly reopened, following a public outcry on rising virus cases.
Nigeria's economy has shrunk by 6.1% in the second quarter of 2020, due to lockdowns decreasing business activity at home and abroad. The coronavirus death toll in the country has passed 1,000
Skybird
08-24-20, 09:25 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/hong-kong-man-was-reinfected-coronavirus-researchers-say-n1237840
A man in Hong Kong has become the first confirmed patient to be infected with the coronavirus a second time, according to researchers at the University of Hong Kong.
The new finding suggests that some patients who recover from COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, may have only short-lived immunity from reinfection (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/i-cannot-get-again-it-possible-get-reinfected-coronavirus-n1233667). The case will likely also be significant for scientists who have been working on treatments using antibodies from recovered coronavirus patients, and those who have been scrambling to develop a safe and effective vaccine.
Not the first time reinfection possibilities have been claimed, but this time the evidence seems to be ebyond any remaining doubt. Bad, bad news, because the time when immunity is given seems to be very shortlived only. And for developing vaccines, this is even worse news, I think.
I really, really wished I had a doctorate in virology / medicine or similar.
Markus
Jimbuna
08-24-20, 01:18 PM
Hong Kong scientists report the first confirmed case of an apparently healthy patient being re-infected with Covid-19, four months after the first infection
However, the WHO urges people not to jump to any conclusions based on the experience of one patient.
Skybird
08-24-20, 02:09 PM
WHO, tzzz... As I said, its not the first case, there have been others before, from south korea, hongkong, and many doctors in the us swear they had seen many cases of reinfections. The WHO babbles and babbles, and delays, and hesitates, and glosses over. I think there job is to bring people in compliance with wanted government agendas that aim not necessarily at health concerns, but economical policies.A propaganda operation the WHO is. A Showprogramm of bureaucrats. Their funds should be invested into real sciences, not this appendix of politics.
Jimbuna
08-25-20, 04:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT9nfh8ZrFQ
Jimbuna
08-25-20, 04:50 AM
Argentina registers a record 8,713 new cases and 381 deaths as Latin America struggles to contain the virus.
A 48-hour lockdown is in force across the Gaza Strip after the first infections were recorded among the public.
Secondary school pupils in Scotland will be required to wear face coverings in corridors and shared areas from Monday.
Head teachers are calling for clarity on the use of face coverings in schools in England.
Hundreds of thousands of young people receive vocational BTec qualifications after results were delayed.
More than 23.6m cases of Covid-19 have been reported globally, and 813,000 deaths.
Jimbuna
08-25-20, 05:07 AM
About 50,000 people worldwide are to be given shots of the Oxford University vaccine to test its safety and effectiveness, says Prof Andrew Pollard, part of the group developing it. The potential vaccine, which is being developed by Oxford University and drug company AstraZeneca and is thought to be the most advanced candidate in clinical trials, is being tested on 10,000 people in the UK, and a further 10,000 in Brazil and South Africa. They also hope to enrol 30,000 people in US trials.
Germany has added the Paris region and southern French regions including the Côte d'Azur to its list of "at-risk" Covid-19 areas that should be avoided for non-essential travel. Here are some of the other main developments around Europe:
President Emmanuel Macron is holding a French defence council meeting this morning on the outbreak, which health officials say is most prevalent among young adults. Top epidemiologist Jean-François Delfraissy says that's why "the numbers going into intensive care and hospital haven't really gone up much"
Spain’s health minister is warning of possible “drastic measures” in Madrid if the situation worsens there. Many of Spain's latest infections are in the capital – and Fernando Simón says "I don't know if it has to be a confinement or other sorts of measures regarding people's internal movement"
A moving letter from a young student is published in this morning's Corriere della Sera newspaper in Italy. Martina, 20, says she spent most of her summer outdoors with friends but then celebrated a friend's birthday at a nightclub where she caught the virus. She ended up infecting two grandparents and her father, who is now in intensive care.
A Florida taxi driver, who believed false claims that coronavirus was a hoax, has lost his wife to Covid-19. Brian Lee Hitchens and his wife, Erin, had read claims online that the virus was fabricated, linked to 5G or was similar to the flu. When they fell ill in early May, the couple didn't follow health guidance or seek help. Brian recovered but Erin, 46, became critically ill and died this month from heart problems linked to the virus.
An Australian court has jailed a woman for six months for breaching coronavirus quarantine laws by sneaking across a state border in a truck.
The world-record sprinter Usain Bolt has tested positive for the coronavirus, Jamaica's health ministry confirmed. It comes just days after the eight-time Olympic gold medalist celebrated his 34th birthday with a lavish party.
Jimbuna
08-25-20, 05:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIqwtCx5xvE
Catfish
08-25-20, 07:58 AM
Not sure whether this fits here perfectly, but .. would be a good idea to sue News companies that spread lies.
Fox News Faces Lawsuit For Calling COVID-19 A ‘Hoax’ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/legalentertainment/2020/04/10/covid-19-lawsuit-against-fox-news/amp/)
Journalism Professors Call for an End to Fox News Coronavirus 'Misinformation' in Open Letter to Rupert Murdoch (https://www.newsweek.com/journalism-professors-fox-news-end-coronavirus-misinformation-open-letter-1495688)
Jimbuna
08-25-20, 11:35 AM
The University of Alabama in the US has reported 566 cases of Covid-19 since classes resumed a week ago.
Mr Quatro
08-25-20, 12:08 PM
I hope this is true ... we have a lot of mosquitoes around here
https://apnews.com/f97e764bd59304462c10e483036bef73
Can mosquitoes spread the coronavirus?
No. While mosquitoes can spread some diseases, most notably malaria, experts say COVID-19 is not among them.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says it has no data to suggest the coronavirus is spread by either mosquitoes or ticks. COVID-19 is mainly spread from person to person through droplets people spray when they talk, cough or sneeze. And the World Health Organization says a mosquito bite won’t give you the virus.
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