Wuhan virus 2020

[Arlo]

Pay attention now I am not fully vaccinated I I declined the second because of an adverse reaction. Even my doctor agreed.

Nor do I hate masks. In fact I am in no way bothered by them feel free to wear one anytime you want.

Pay attention back: I'm happy seeing me wear a mask won't unduly upset you. I hope you continue to survive and live a pristinely healthy life and that you won't make anyone else sick. :shucks:

[mapuc]

Wear facemask where it's mandatory to do so and wear mask where there's lots of people even if there's no mandatory to do so, especially if there's high risc of Covid-19 in that area.

Take the vaccine if you think you need to-but do not feel forced into it. It should be of free will whether you decide to take the vaccine or not.

If you chose not to-then please show responsibility towards the others even those who are vaccinated.

A vaccinated isn't 100 % protected. The person has a good defense against
Covid-19 nevertheless they can get very ill too.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Pay attention back: I'm happy seeing me wear a mask won't unduly upset you. I hope you continue to survive and live a pristinely healthy life and that you won't make anyone else sick. :shucks:

Me? i don’t ‘make’ anyone get sick. The cheetos eating couch potato do that all by themselves. They walk around thinking their head scarf, surgical mask or N95 hanging around their chin will protect them. They handle money rub their eye pick their nose fiddle with their mask. Unless he was lying to us again Fauci said there was no reason should be wearing a mask it was pointless.

With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

Mandate exercise programs it’s for your own good. That’s my cult because we care more than the chin diaper cult.

[Arlo]

Me? i don’t ‘make’ anyone get sick. The cheetos eating couch potato do that all by themselves. They walk around thinking their head scarf, surgical mask or N95 hanging around their chin will protect them. They handle money rub their eye pick their nose fiddle with their mask. Unless he was lying to us again Fauci said there was no reason should be wearing a mask it was pointless.

With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

Mandate exercise programs it’s for your own good. That’s my cult because we care more than the chin diaper cult.

Jeebus. Lighten up, Francis. If you had a point, you would have more than made it by now. :shucks:

[Rockstar]

Jeebus. Lighten up, Francis. If you had a point, you would have more than made it by now. :shucks:

I’m just trying show people I care and if you cared you too would seek to mandate a nationwide exercise program. Let’s join our two cults and see if we can get theses petulant lazy fat little children to take better care of themselves, it’s for their own good.

[Arlo]

I’m just trying show people I care and if you cared you too would seek to mandate a nationwide exercise program. Let’s join our two cults and see if we can get theses petulant lazy fat little children to take better care of themselves, it’s for their own good.

Start a thread dedicated to such. I'll subscribe. But, for your own health, tone it down a notch and relax. Stress kills faster than Cheetos. :shucks:

[Rockstar]

No stress here bro. I just thought if your mask mandate cult and my exercise cult got together we could force those irresponsible children who are so afraid to what best for them to be more caring and socially responsible.

[Rockstar]

Hot intel fresh off the press. Mandate nazis and the gullible putzes of the world hate this guy.

https://youtu.be/iwPKnOhJRYg

[3catcircus]

No stress here bro. I just thought if your mask mandate cult and my exercise cult got together we could force those irresponsible children who are so afraid to what best for them to be more caring and socially responsible.

This is an interesting point - the desire to exercise may not match the ability.

Case in point: me.

At one point in time I was a 5-mile/day runner who also lifted weights. When I stopped lifting I started gaining weight, so I cut back and continued to exercise. Then, I herniated two discs in my back. Good luck trying to exercise when even walking is difficult. Every time I over-exert my back, I am crippled for the next couple of weeks. Couple that with injuries in my youth that were treated with 800 mg Motrin and a dose of indifference), and my entire spine is going to fossilize due to arthritis.

I'd love to be able to run again, but injury forced me to stop running, and my metabolism is such that I easily pack on weight (which was great when weightlifting). Once you gain weight because of inability to exercise, its exponentially difficult because being overweight makes exercise more difficult, and the more you exert during exercise, the more likely to tweak your back... Rinse and repeat.

And, before the pandemic, I spent so much time traveling for work, that I had no real free time to devote to exercise. A typical travel week looked something like this:
-Saturday - fly someplace far far away 10+ timezones away from home - Tokyo, Adelaide, etc.
-Sunday - arrive, get to hotel 2 hrs later on average, shower, meet team for pre-meeting in hotel lounge, grab dinner, crash in room
-Monday - wake up around 2am due to jet lag, enjoy free time since US still on Sunday. Hotel gym opens at 6 - maybe get 30 mins in before showering and grabbing breakfast. Meetings 8am-5pm. Get back to hotel at 6. Deal with flood of work back in the US that still needs to get done, grab dinner, crash exhausted around 9pm.
-Tuesday - Thursday - same as Monday except working from 2am wakeup up to time to get dressed and grab breakfast because the US isn't on the weekend anymore - typical teleconference scheduled right in middle of available gym time in morning
-Friday - Same as rest of week up to noon or so, then get to airport to fly home. Arrive home same day due to timezones difference get home around 8pm or so. Can't sleep due to jet lag. Finally fall asleep around 2am.
-Sat/Sun - sleep in due to jet lag, then honey-do list and family time.

As you can see - not the ideal lifestyle for someone who wants to lose weight and exercise - jet lag, exhaustion, eating out a lot, and dealing with customers who come from a drinking culture...

Sure - I could get spinal fusion - with no guarantee of being fixed. I could get gastric bypass - and the attendant risks and the likely chances of keeping the weight off, but I like being able to drink a beer every now and then.

Lockdowns and remote working allowed me to lose 20 lbs in 2020 - with literally no other action in my part. Walking our puppy is low-impact aerobic work that allowed me to lose another 10 pounds in 6 months with no other action on my part. Especially walking the dog - easily an hour each day. Then I injured my back again, so I had to have the kids walk her since I couldn't walk without a limp. That was 4-5 weeks ago and I'm just now getting back to walking without a limp and with minimal pain.

My intent is to get down to my post-boot camp weight of 168 lbs. It'll take awhile

In the meantime, I got vaccinated (Pfizer). I still got covid. If I was unvaxed, I'm certain I'd be in the hospital.

[Rockstar]

The Masking of the Servant Class: Ugly COVID Images From the Met Gala Are Now Commonplace.

While AOC's revolutionary and subversive socialist gown generated buzz, the normalization of maskless elites attended to by faceless servants is grotesque.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-masking-of-the-servant-class

https://youtu.be/E4xxPdgGonM


Even with all of this deceit and manipulation, there is something uniquely disturbing — creepy even — about becoming accustomed to seeing political and cultural elites wallowing in luxury without masks, while those paid small wages to serve them in various ways are forced to keep cloth over their faces. It is a powerful symbol of the growing rot at the core of America's cultural and social balkanization: a maskless elite attended to by a permanently faceless servant class.

[Skybird]

This is an interesting point - the desire to exercise may not match the ability.

Case in point: me.

At one point in time I was a 5-mile/day runner who also lifted weights. When I stopped lifting I started gaining weight, so I cut back and continued to exercise. Then, I herniated two discs in my back. Good luck trying to exercise when even walking is difficult. Every time I over-exert my back, I am crippled for the next couple of weeks. Couple that with injuries in my youth that were treated with 800 mg Motrin and a dose of indifference), and my entire spine is going to fossilize due to arthritis.

I'd love to be able to run again, but injury forced me to stop running, and my metabolism is such that I easily pack on weight (which was great when weightlifting). Once you gain weight because of inability to exercise, its exponentially difficult because being overweight makes exercise more difficult, and the more you exert during exercise, the more likely to tweak your back... Rinse and repeat.

And, before the pandemic, I spent so much time traveling for work, that I had no real free time to devote to exercise. A typical travel week looked something like this:
-Saturday - fly someplace far far away 10+ timezones away from home - Tokyo, Adelaide, etc.
-Sunday - arrive, get to hotel 2 hrs later on average, shower, meet team for pre-meeting in hotel lounge, grab dinner, crash in room
-Monday - wake up around 2am due to jet lag, enjoy free time since US still on Sunday. Hotel gym opens at 6 - maybe get 30 mins in before showering and grabbing breakfast. Meetings 8am-5pm. Get back to hotel at 6. Deal with flood of work back in the US that still needs to get done, grab dinner, crash exhausted around 9pm.
-Tuesday - Thursday - same as Monday except working from 2am wakeup up to time to get dressed and grab breakfast because the US isn't on the weekend anymore - typical teleconference scheduled right in middle of available gym time in morning
-Friday - Same as rest of week up to noon or so, then get to airport to fly home. Arrive home same day due to timezones difference get home around 8pm or so. Can't sleep due to jet lag. Finally fall asleep around 2am.
-Sat/Sun - sleep in due to jet lag, then honey-do list and family time.

As you can see - not the ideal lifestyle for someone who wants to lose weight and exercise - jet lag, exhaustion, eating out a lot, and dealing with customers who come from a drinking culture...

Sure - I could get spinal fusion - with no guarantee of being fixed. I could get gastric bypass - and the attendant risks and the likely chances of keeping the weight off, but I like being able to drink a beer every now and then.

Lockdowns and remote working allowed me to lose 20 lbs in 2020 - with literally no other action in my part. Walking our puppy is low-impact aerobic work that allowed me to lose another 10 pounds in 6 months with no other action on my part. Especially walking the dog - easily an hour each day. Then I injured my back again, so I had to have the kids walk her since I couldn't walk without a limp. That was 4-5 weeks ago and I'm just now getting back to walking without a limp and with minimal pain.

My intent is to get down to my post-boot camp weight of 168 lbs. It'll take awhile

In the meantime, I got vaccinated (Pfizer). I still got covid. If I was unvaxed, I'm certain I'd be in the hospital.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2738778&postcount=17

The personal weight numbers need an Update, I am down now to 73kg (from 92), stabile. I startet running again - AFTER I hat lost that weight of 40 pounds.
See for that Dr. Jason Fung. It makes an awesome lot of sense how he explains it All.


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=248814&page=2

[3catcircus]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2738778&postcount=17

The personal weight numbers need an Update, I am down now to 73kg (from 92), stabile. I startet running again - AFTER I hat lost that weight of 40 pounds.
See for that Dr. Jason Fung. It makes an awesome lot of sense how he explains it All.


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=248814&page=2

Don't get me wrong - I believe vaccination should be a personal choice for covid - but it has to be in the context of not fooling yourself about your own healthiness. Taking medicine to keep your blood pressure in check means you still have high blood pressure. Being 20 lbs overweight means you're still overweight. Taking insulin for diabetes means you're still diabetic. Too many people consider themselves in "good" health when they should be considered "fair, at best."

[Arlo]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s600x600/241481768_3124118404494789_6611286323896912439_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=2c4854&_nc_ohc=uDSYtBBl5vwAX_5NcuN&tn=yPGLy6ZxJ6pwdDM0&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=99b13f322bc30e46ff78893996b543b0&oe=614797EC

[Dowly]

Colorado radio host who urged boycott of vaccines dies of Covid-19:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/14/bob-enyart-radio-host-dies-covid-19-boycott-vaccine-colorado

Bob Enyart, a rightwing talk radio host in Colorado who urged people to boycott vaccines for Covid-19, has died of Covid-19.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE


EDIT: Fixed link.

[mapuc]

Is there anyone who has said things against the vaccine or Corona still alive.

It seems like it's a bad habit.
Those who neglected Corona and/or the vaccine seems to die from this virus.

Markus

[Catfish]

Colorado radio host who urged boycott of vaccines dies of Covid-19: [...]
The virus apparently does not like conservative radio hosts. I guess it leans left and hates talk radio.
Strange that it seems to be true. Or could it be it just weeds out the dumb. Could there be a connection to a certain attitude.

[Rockstar]

Is there anyone who has said things against the vaccine or Corona still alive.

It seems like it's a bad habit.
Those who neglected Corona and/or the vaccine seems to die from this virus.

Markus


Did you know in the U.S. over one thousand people die each day from heart disease? The same couch potatoes who as they sit on their large behind chewing on a cheeseburgers and gulping down a soda for breakfast said it wouldn’t happen to them. But that’s not a headline so it’s not important to anyone. So it’s jab after jab after jab of booster after booster of new and improved vaccines!

2,600 fully vaccinated people have died from COVID breakthrough cases which as the inventor of the mRNA vaccine above and other biologists said may get worse because of the unethical use of the vaccine by mandate nazis which could cause the evolutionary growth of a vaccine resistant virus.

Good luck,

Oh btw I only had one jab of Moderna and had Delta last month and I’m still alive. Nothing against vaccines just their unethical use and hearing politicians (instead of doctors) mandating their use

[u crank]

Strange that it seems to be true. Or could it be it just weeds out the dumb. Could there be a connection to a certain attitude.

Shame on you.

:nope:

[mapuc]

Again I wonder

Can you compare lifestyle diseases with pandemic like the Corona virus.

The first can be avoided if you live healthy, well increase the chance to get an heart attack etc

The others is can still be deadly even if your're living healthy or give a person longterm side effects from it.

Markus

[Arlo]

I can honestly say that I don't know of a single case where someone has been infected by someone else eating too many cheeseburgers and sitting on their couches too long. Something tells me that's a distinct difference from a contagious disease. :hmmm::shucks:

[Rockstar]

I can honestly say that I don't know of a single case where someone has been infected by someone else eating too many cheeseburgers and sitting on their couches too long. Something tells me that's a distinct difference from a contagious disease. :hmmm::shucks:


Not really, a healthy and fit body stands a better chance of deterring heart disease and viral or bacterial infection.

The human body is an amazing thing that can do wonders and in my cult it’s better to be in good health than listen to politicians play doctor demanding the unethical use of any vaccine.

[3catcircus]

Did you know in the U.S. over one thousand people die each day from heart disease? The same couch potatoes who as they sit on their large behind chewing on a cheeseburgers and gulping down a soda for breakfast said it wouldn’t happen to them. But that’s not a headline so it’s not important to anyone. So it’s jab after jab after jab of booster after booster of new and improved vaccines!

2,600 fully vaccinated people have died from COVID breakthrough cases which as the inventor of the mRNA vaccine above and other biologists said may get worse because of the unethical use of the vaccine by mandate nazis which could cause the evolutionary growth of a vaccine resistant virus.

Good luck,

Oh btw I only had one jab of Moderna and had Delta last month and I’m still alive. Nothing against vaccines just their unethical use and hearing politicians (instead of doctors) mandating their use

Here's the deal. You got one dose of Moderna, then got COVID and recovered. You probably have the best level of antibodies right now, better than two doses but never gotten covid.

All of those couch potatoes? They're more at risk than marathon runners and mountain climbers, so getting vaccinated, from a pure risk-benefit standpoint, makes sense.

That's the difference - many people who are anti-vax are also extremely unhealthy - whether due to eating burgers and sodas, or due to bizarre "healthy" diets like eating only raw food, or only eating vegan but not actually getting enough nutrition.

I'm fat and I know it. But, eating at home means I control what is in my food to a greater extent than when I was going to the office and grabbing food out. Even "healthy" things like Panera Bread are awash with hidden fat, sugar, etc. Breakfast for me today was homemade jambalaya and a salad. Mid-morning I had a banana. For lunch I'll have a leftover pork chop from last night and a salad. I might indulge with an afternoon handful of cheezit crackers. But other than my coffee in the morning with 2 teaspoons of sugar (I drink 2 cups), I'm not drinking 20 oz coke zero all day like I used to when I was in the office. Instead, I drink water with lemon - about 2 gallons a day.

I literally did very little, didn't even notice it, and now I have pants that will fall off me unless I wear a belt that is cinched far more than I could in the past.

No one is saying that vaccine is right for everyone, it's just that those who are the loudest anti-vax can't seem to recognize that they are older and unhealthier than they believe. 50 *isn't* the new 30 because our lifestyles and Western diet are utter trash in comparison to earlier decades. I loved traveling to Japan, Australia, Spain, S. Korea before the pandemic because, despite my unhealthy habits, stress, long hours and lack of exercise, I at least knew that pretty much anywhere I ate, the food was vastly healthier and of far better quality than in the US. Eggs with bright orange yolks that taste eggy. Chicken with a pronounced chicken taste. "Fast food" sashimi that is better than 90% of high-end sashimi here in the US. Beef that is properly marbled and when you bite into it, it explodes with molten fat. But - meat portion size is vastly different (3 cubes of yakitori beef amounting to about 1.5 ounce total). 300g of meat is a giant portion. It is mostly used as a flavoring more than the main element.

In the US, we *also* have unhealthy lifestyle habits outside of a terrible diet. Commute from the suburbs for an hour to a job we hate to make a large enough salary to afford the commute, the McMansion that we fill with stuff we don't need, and eating out for lunch each day. Both parents working just to afford the day care costs. Home after a stressful commute to eat a late takeout dinner and then collapse on the couch for a few hours watching TV before waking up and doing it all over again.

I'd love to be able to live in a walking town. I'd love to get rid of one of our cars and have my wife retire. But, where we are at, the small walking cities are spread out and they are "trying to make a comeback from their heyday in the 1950s and 1960s" where they're gentrifying formerly terrible locales. My job (once I have to go back to the office) is in Camden, NJ, one of the worst cities for crime. In order to live in a safe area with decent schools and *not* make more money, I live 45 minutes away from the office. My wife is an hour away from her job as a teacher in Atlantic City (also a terrible dangerous city). In fact, most cities in the US where you could ditch a car are prohibitively expensive for the middle class unless you live in a neighborhood destroyed by crime. You're either wealthy in safe clean neighborhoods or you're poor in dangerous neighborhoods in pretty much every city in the US.

I could take a train from home to the office, but the rail pass would cost more than fueling my car and I'd have a 30 minute drive to the train station (or move closer and have higher property taxes). There will never be safe, clean, accessible public transport here because the southern portion of new jersey is all suburb and farmland once you get a mile or two east of the Delaware River.

My point to all this: lifestyle, diet, exercise are all linked to conveniences that make us less healthy than our hard-drinking, pack-a-day-smoking, manual laboring ancestors who got hours of exercise each day just from their jobs and who ate mostly unprocessed foods - and they typically still got their kids and themselves vaxed if they didn't already have a particular disease that they recovered from.

[Skybird]

Don't get me wrong - I believe vaccination should be a personal choice for covid - but it has to be in the context of not fooling yourself about your own healthiness. Taking medicine to keep your blood pressure in check means you still have high blood pressure. Being 20 lbs overweight means you're still overweight. Taking insulin for diabetes means you're still diabetic. Too many people consider themselves in "good" health when they should be considered "fair, at best."
I am not diabetic, but I am quite certain I was pre-diabetic, had metabolic syndrome in an early, unfolding stage. And I have had extremely high heart rates - at rest - since over 35 years, and have high blood pressure. HR at rest of 110 and more. Excercising or not played no role to tackle that, ever. In 2008, that got me almost killedm when I collapsed during a bicylce tour, climbed up a peak in bike, was doen and over when I was up there, and my view went dark. I was in quite good pyhsicla shape back then. Or so I thought. I have done almost 3 decades of martial art, first 10 years very intensely.

Today - I have cut my hypertension medics by over one half. Of three drugs, I stopped one, halved the second, reduced the third. My BP is around 115/75 - slighty less than with the drugs, and before I started to supplement.

My heart rate is at fully normal - from 100-115 at rest down to 70-75 - since I eat huge quantities of salt. From 110 down to 70, I can assure you, thats a difference that one does feel.

Had two blood tests this year, the first was kind of alarming a bit, the second some months and life changes later: bombastically good. Also had a fatty acid analysis in spring, outstandingly strong/good values. In winter I was at 92 kg, I am, now at 73, and run again.

My old doc was perplexed and did not like it since I violated all his advice on not doing what I am doing. I thus found a new one. The new doc also does not know that much about nutrition supplementation, but he is listening and is willing to see wheter I can convince him in argument or not , asks questions and is willing to learn new stuff. Thats good enough.

You know what all this means? All my life I had sufficient calory intake, more than I needed. And yet I was undernourished. Its like having a full fuel tank in a car - but not caring for sufficient oil, stable battery, intact cables, clean windshield, rubber on the wipers, and hydraulic oil in the brakes. And I did not even snack excessively, drank no softdrinks at all, chips and peanuts flips are a thing of the past since 15 years or more, eating convbenicne food happens from time to time, but is ver ylimited, and I ate vegetable and occasionally fruits, although never with too much pleasure. Also I had plenty of cereals, good bread.

I had the quantity. But not the needed mix, the needed quality. Our food, even vegetables, do not have the amounts of nutrients anymorte that they had a hundred years ago. They cna lack minerals and vitamines of up to 90% (depends on the soil they were grown on, and the seed brands)! You heard of, probably, the Selenium deficit practically every bod has, in Europe more than in the US. Well, the bad news is: its not just selenium, but in different regions it is several of the remaining nutrients that are missing or are in low supply, too.

So people can eat healthy, so they think, and live an active life - and nevertheless can be short in supply in critical nutrients.

My dad, beyond mid-70 of age, had diabetes II, suffered a light stroke, took plenty of meds. He too was able to reduce them. and his diabetes - IS NO MORE THERE, no signs can be found that he ever had it. His doc also is perplexed.

My earlier post provided two links to Jason Fung, one 3-minute video, and one 3-minute read. Check it for a start, its not much time, and see whether it makes sense to you or not.

On Covid, I never ever said a good immune system or a good nutrition supply or Vitmaine-D status in your system protects you from getting Covid. I never said that. What I always have said is that I think having good supply in certain nutrients might help your immune system to start fighting much faster after an infeciton, than if you are undersupplied in certain minerals, vitamines, trace elements. Zinc, Vit-D, Vit-C, Vit-A, Magnesium, Selenium, Q10, Iodine and Omega-3 on my mind primarily. Also having less of the bad stuff: transfats, Omega-6, evertyhing that helps "silent inflammations" going into party mode, being overweight, being diabetic. And Vitamine D helps to reduce inflammatory cytokines and tells the immune system to use more of the less inflammatory cytokines. No cytokine storm. That too is good.

In the main I just reacted to an implied claim made by Rockstar I think that diabetes and overweight can be cured by excercising and getting into a calory deficit mode. We know today that this is wrong, no matter whether that deficit mode is achieved by exercising more or eating leass or both, it is proven, there are studies proving it, it simply does not work. Sports has its merits, lung and heart functions, muscles producing cytokines influencing the brain'S directing of the hormonal homeostasis and so forth: but diabetes and overweight are not amongst the prominent benefits of sports, that are myths. Diabetes is a hormonal dysbalance in the main, not a calory dysbalance. Same is true for weight. That there are not few doctors who still believe it because it has been taught this way during their university days, does not make it any less wrong. Eating less, excercising, both aim at shifting the calory balance into a deficitary mode status. But by that, after some adaptation time when the body indeed looses some weight - he gains it again, and then you eat relatively seen less, and become nevertheless fatter. Becasue the body reduces the basal metabolic rate - until you are positive again with your calories, eat more than the metabolism burns, and then you gain weight again - while running at a lower metabolic level: you start to feel cold, your immune system works weaker, you find it harder to focus and concentrate, your endurance goes down, and so forth.

I have even convinced a professional food counselor this summer, she has skipped the official ideology of frequent eating, lots of fruits and vegetables five times a day. She dropped it after I directed her at the books of Fung. She now works according to ketogenic diat principles that she adapts to the pragmatic living conditions of her clients.

Eat less often. Eat less carbohydrates. Fast, do intermittend fasting. Eat good fat, delete bad fats. Supplement nutrients.

Dont eat all the time.

I am not the inventor of these thoughts, I am only the messenger. :03: And Fung himself says that what he teaches peope mpostly is very oold stuff our forefathers have lived by for generations and generations. Check it yourself and see whether the man make sense or not. He has 20 years of experience in treating adipositas and diabetes. And different to so many other showmen, he is extremely successful in it.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPrKA5p9a_I

[Jimbuna]

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[Rockstar]

I went in for physical about four years ago for the first time in probably 12 years. First thing a doctor does is ask me my age, look at my ankles and put the cuff on my arm and take a bp reading. I am immediately diagnosed with high blood pressure 135/95 and given a prescription for meds to get it under control. I said to my self, self that was mighty quick and sudden like. Never got the prescription.

So I buy a reputable BP cuff for home use. Yes I compared it to a doctor friend of mine’s ‘profesional” cuff. First i eventually learn of a thing called white coat syndrome then as I measure my own BP for two weeks, I already exercise and eat fairly well but I can assure you I am no health nut, I find my average BP is 118/72.

Take your own BP, I did 5 sometimes 7 times a day for two weeks. Average it out learn about your own body before you end up with a massive collection of prescription drugs piled on your bed stand. Given the chance I think would love to hand out meds like candy.

I am aware of the latest Moderna intel too. I had COVID before the first shot because of that they say the first jab can wreak havoc on you. Not only did I have a mild anaphylactic reaction which is why I declined the second jab. But after the first jab I also felt much worse than when I had COVID the first time. I also felt the pain at the injection site expand down my arm into my chest and up the left side of my neck and head. egads was it ever a miserable painful experience.

When I got COVID again last month with the exception of the spread of the injection site pain. I felt very similar to when I got the first jab. Absolutely run down, no appetite, nausea, except this time I also had chest congestion and a case of the quick steps. Still went to work then on my first day off since getting cooties I slept all day and night. When I finally awoke I felt like a new man and very very hungry. I ordered the biggest garbage pizza there was and woofed it down. I think it was that pizza which saved my life :)

[Jimbuna]

^ I've had almost identical BP experiences almost every time I go for my annual health check and the arrangement I have with them is I take a monitor home for a week and record the readings and have always satisfied them my BP is in order....'white coat syndrome' has a lot to answer to.

My biggest mistake during the past few years was admitting what my alcohol intake level is and shortly after the government advice literally slashed the recommended units by 50% so now I simply lie.

Funnily enough my annual check is booked in for tomorrow so I'll drink a few pints of tap water on rising in the morning before producing a urine sample.

No blood sample tomorrow because there is currently a national shortage of sample bottles otherwise I wouldn't be drinking anything alcoholic tonight.

[3catcircus]

I went in for physical about four years ago for the first time in probably 12 years. First thing a doctor does is ask me my age, look at my ankles and put the cuff on my arm and take a bp reading. I am immediately diagnosed with high blood pressure 135/95 and given a prescription for meds to get it under control. I said to my self, self that was mighty quick and sudden like. Never got the prescription.

So I buy a reputable BP cuff for home use. Yes I compared it to a doctor friend of mine’s ‘profesional” cuff. First i eventually learn of a thing called white coat syndrome then as I measure my own BP for two weeks, I already exercise and eat fairly well but I can assure you I am no health nut, I find my average BP is 118/72.

Take your own BP, I did 5 sometimes 7 times a day for two weeks. Average it out learn about your own body before you end up with a massive collection of prescription drugs piled on your bed stand. Given the chance I think would love to hand out meds like candy.

I am aware of the latest Moderna intel too. I had COVID before the first shot because of that they say the first jab can wreak havoc on you. Not only did I have a mild anaphylactic reaction which is why I declined the second jab. But after the first jab I also felt much worse than when I had COVID the first time. I also felt the pain at the injection site expand down my arm into my chest and up the left side of my neck and head. egads was it ever a miserable painful experience.

When I got COVID again last month with the exception of the spread of the injection site pain. I felt very similar to when I got the first jab. Absolutely run down, no appetite, nausea, except this time I also had chest congestion and a case of the quick steps. Still went to work then on my first day off since getting cooties I slept all day and night. When I finally awoke I felt like a new man and very very hungry. I ordered the biggest garbage pizza there was and woofed it down. I think it was that pizza which saved my life :)

^ I've had almost identical BP experiences almost every time I go for my annual health check and the arrangement I have with them is I take a monitor home for a week and record the readings and have always satisfied them my BP is in order....'white coat syndrome' has a lot to answer to.

My biggest mistake during the past few years was admitting what my alcohol intake level is and shortly after the government advice literally slashed the recommended units by 50% so now I simply lie.

Funnily enough my annual check is booked in for tomorrow so I'll drink a few pints of tap water on rising in the morning before producing a urine sample.

No blood sample tomorrow because there is currently a national shortage of sample bottles otherwise I wouldn't be drinking anything alcoholic tonight.

White coat syndrome aside, the other thing that needs to be considered is the size of the BP cuff. Too small and you're going to show a high BP. Mine last reading was 112/63, with medication. Without it, 148/90 on average.

[AVGWarhawk]

I went in for physical about four years ago for the first time in probably 12 years. First thing a doctor does is ask me my age, look at my ankles and put the cuff on my arm and take a bp reading. I am immediately diagnosed with high blood pressure 135/95 and given a prescription for meds to get it under control. I said to my self, self that was mighty quick and sudden like. Never got the prescription.

So I buy a reputable BP cuff for home use. Yes I compared it to a doctor friend of mine’s ‘profesional” cuff. First i eventually learn of a thing called white coat syndrome then as I measure my own BP for two weeks, I already exercise and eat fairly well but I can assure you I am no health nut, I find my average BP is 118/72.

Take your own BP, I did 5 sometimes 7 times a day for two weeks. Average it out learn about your own body before you end up with a massive collection of prescription drugs piled on your bed stand. Given the chance I think would love to hand out meds like candy.

I am aware of the latest Moderna intel too. I had COVID before the first shot because of that they say the first jab can wreak havoc on you. Not only did I have a mild anaphylactic reaction which is why I declined the second jab. But after the first jab I also felt much worse than when I had COVID the first time. I also felt the pain at the injection site expand down my arm into my chest and up the left side of my neck and head. egads was it ever a miserable painful experience.

When I got COVID again last month with the exception of the spread of the injection site pain. I felt very similar to when I got the first jab. Absolutely run down, no appetite, nausea, except this time I also had chest congestion and a case of the quick steps. Still went to work then on my first day off since getting cooties I slept all day and night. When I finally awoke I felt like a new man and very very hungry. I ordered the biggest garbage pizza there was and woofed it down. I think it was that pizza which saved my life :)

My wife has white coat syndrome. Taking her BP at home she has better reading. She is on BP pills and even on those at the Dr. office she reads high. So, before she goes for a physical the Dr. has her taking several readings at home over a week and bring in the results. It is much more accurate.

Fortunate for me my BP is always in a good spot and the Dr. says to keep on doing what I'm doing. Which is not much but sitting and drinking beer. :)

[Rockstar]

Oh boy, there was a time my BP was out of control because I was once a raging alcoholic staying out late every chance I got bar hopping fooling around with the pretty senoritas. Go home catch a ten minute power nap get up go to work and do it all over again the that night. Nothing like a life style change to remedy that. Going from 160/110 to around 125/85 several months later.

[AVGWarhawk]

Oh boy, there was a time my BP was out of control because I was once a raging alcoholic staying out late every chance I got bar hopping fooling around with the pretty senoritas. Go home catch a ten minute power nap get up go to work and do it all over again the that night. Nothing like a life style change to remedy that. Going from 160/110 to around 125/85 several months later.

I would run like that in college. As far as beer drinking, I have 1-2 a night. My doctor is ok with that.

[Skybird]

Roger that on BP measuring. I do it maybe twice a month, but then several times over the day. BP must be taken in relation to activity you currently do, also people have changes in the BP scheme over the day, it has its own pattern of mild up and downs, and they tend to by comparable from day to day, if activity patterns are the same.

Also as Rockstar said its good to take any doctor's advice not totally obedient and uncritical. They are humans, they have good and they have bad days, they have been trained according to a curriculum that is heavily influenced by many lobby groups, and they may have different levels of positive motivations. The job they found themselves in might be somethign very different than what they once imagined it would be like. They are only humans. As I said in some earlier post or that health thread: always listen to what your doctor tells you, and ask him why he thinks so. But do not automatically take it as the penultimate truth, but take it, try to form a more or less educated opinion of it as far as you can as a layman, do some media research, and then decide. Mind you, any health consequences, in good and bad, will be paid by you - not by your doctor.

The decision should always be yours, never that of the doctor. The doctor is an expert advisor, not a decider of the general strategy.

However, a doctor owes you to be right and to know it better a very impressive number of opportunities. He studied medicine, you did not. Thats why he is called Doc, and you get called something different. So if he is not right that often as you must demand from him, then its time to move and find a better one, maybe...?!

White coat syndrome is real, there are even both medical and psychological studies on it. But not everybody falls victim to it. My father does, heavily, while I am immune to it, my BP measurings vary a bit with the time of day, but not with whether the doc makes the measuring, or myself at home.

[Sean C]

Shame on you.

:nope:


Agreed.


"There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear"

[Arlo]

https://scontent-hou1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/242024158_10157856805925780_7944737952447801754_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=z0-4ddTWu4YAX9JGlv6&_nc_ht=scontent-hou1-1.xx&oh=2df37e5be4a229a8a5c857b3b0983f6b&oe=61674869

In 1954, polio was a terrifying reality. The vaccine began as a large clinical trial of 1.3 million kids around the country. They called themselves Polio Pioneers, the first to try a new vaccine in the hopes of ending a grave threat.

Nine months after the trial ended, the vaccine was declared safe and effective. In 1955, mass inoculation against polio began. 25 years later, domestic polio transmission had all but vanished.

Polio is now a mandated vaccination in all 50 states. The kids you see pictured made this a reality for us all.

[Dowly]

Six unvaccinated members of Florida family die of COVID-19:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/six-unvaccinated-members-of-florida-family-die-of-covid-19/ar-AAOtHhm?ocid=msedgntp


After attending the funeral for 48-year-old family member Tyrone Moreland, 89-year-old grandmother Lillie Mae Dukes Moreland was hospitalized with the virus and died just 24 hours later, according to The Palm Beach Post.

Three more cousins died shortly after their grandmother, and the family's most recent loss was 44-year-old Trentarian Moreland, who died on Sunday.

Surviving family member Lisa Wilson said she believes she can trace at least two of the family's deaths to a food pantry where her relatives had worked, but she is unsure where the others contracted the virus, the Post reported.

Wilson had spent weeks going door to door in Belle Glade, Fla., encouraging people to get vaccinated. She had unsuccessfully attempted to persuade her family members to get vaccinated prior to their deaths.

"I was in their ears almost every day. 'You've just got to do this,'" Wilson said to the Post. "I'm beating myself up. Should I have pushed harder?"

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gndsUjgPYo

[Jimbuna]

The first people in England and Wales receive their coronavirus booster jab - a central part of winter Covid preparation across the UK

Maternity support worker Catherine Cargill, who works in Croydon, speaks of her joy at getting a third jab.

Millions of people, including health and care workers, the clinically vulnerable, and the over-50s, are eligible.

UK Covid deaths rise by 158 - with 26,911 new cases reported on Thursday.

Vaccines in England stopped 230,800 hospital admissions among the over-45s, new figures suggest.

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon apologises "unreservedly" for ambulance wait times.

France sees 3,000 health workers suspended for going without a jab.

Dozens of aides to Russian President Vladimir Putin test positive.

[AVGWarhawk]

https://scontent-hou1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/242024158_10157856805925780_7944737952447801754_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=z0-4ddTWu4YAX9JGlv6&_nc_ht=scontent-hou1-1.xx&oh=2df37e5be4a229a8a5c857b3b0983f6b&oe=61674869

In 1954, polio was a terrifying reality. The vaccine began as a large clinical trial of 1.3 million kids around the country. They called themselves Polio Pioneers, the first to try a new vaccine in the hopes of ending a grave threat.

Nine months after the trial ended, the vaccine was declared safe and effective. In 1955, mass inoculation against polio began. 25 years later, domestic polio transmission had all but vanished.

Polio is now a mandated vaccination in all 50 states. The kids you see pictured made this a reality for us all.


By and large the reason polio is eradicated is that humans are the only host. It is not carried by animals or insects. As such, vaccination on a grand scale worked. Other viruses are carried by animals/insects. Vaccinations will not eradicate these viruses that are carried by animals/insects. It is believed that there is low risk of animals/insects can carry COVID. But, never the less, there is some risk. This success story for eradicating polio is wonderful. But, COVID will not be eradicated with mass vaccinations as many hope.

[mapuc]

Said it before I think this Corona virus is intelligent the way it acts and mutate.

I fear that due to our massive vaccination, the virus will find a way(mutate) so the vaccine has no function.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Said it before I think this Corona virus is intelligent the way it acts and mutate.

I fear that due to our massive vaccination, the virus will find a way(mutate) so the vaccine has no function.

Markus

It already has. The vaccine is being out smarted by the virus currently.

[mapuc]

It already has. The vaccine is being out smarted by the virus currently.

The latest mutation is, from what i know, called My.

Markus

[Skybird]

US hospitals being overwhelmed again.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/idaho-declares-statewide-hospital-resource-crisis-covid-surge-rcna1997


The situation has grown so bad that the Idaho Department of Health and Wellness announced Thursday (https://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/news/idaho-expands-crisis-standards-care-statewide-due-surge-covid-19-patients-requiring-0) that the entire state is in a hospital resource crisis, permitting medical facilities to ration health care and triage patients.
(...)
"The situation is dire," he said. We don’t have enough resources to adequately treat the patients in our hospitals, whether you are there for COVID-19 or a heart attack or because of a car accident.”
Idaho is one of those US states with the lowest vaccination rate.

Maybe hospitals should refuse to accept any patients that are not vaccinated wiothout having a valid medical reaosn for not being vaccinated. Not ethical, I hear some say? No, VERY ethical. Why should somebody with a stroke, a viuctim of an accident, or the kid that ahs swallowed household cleaner, not getting a bed because some dumbhead rejected to get vaccinated against Covid? I do not accept that. A life cannot be counted against another life, I hear some say? Wrong. It can. Those who stood up to their self-responsibility, go first.

Unvaccinated Covid patients maybe simpy should pass last at the hospital entrances. All others go first. What then is left free in capacity, can be given to unvaccinated Covid patients.

[3catcircus]

It already has. The vaccine is being out smarted by the virus currently.

I'm vaccinated. I got delta including shortness of breath but no pneumonia. I'd have been hospitalized if I were unvaccinated.

Call it something else if "vaccine" doesn't sit right with you. Getting covid sucks. Getting it with symptoms bad enough to hospitalize you is preventable.

[AVGWarhawk]

US hospitals being overwhelmed again.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/idaho-declares-statewide-hospital-resource-crisis-covid-surge-rcna1997

The overwhelming is by my observation very localized.

[Skybird]

Yes, but its not just Idaho. NBC reported over the past 48 hours desperate situations in hospitals across several Western states.

And Idaho still is one of those states with the lowest vaccination rate, no matter what.

LINK - Hospitals fill up again in undervaccinated states (https://www.statista.com/chart/25489/coronavirus-hospitalizations-and-vaccination-rates-in-us-states/)

LINK - US is split between the vaccinated and unvaccinated – and deaths and hospitalizations reflect this divide (https://theconversation.com/us-is-split-between-the-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-and-deaths-and-hospitalizations-reflect-this-divide-164460)

LINK - If you live in a state with a low vaccination rate, you're 4 times more likely to be hospitalized and more than 5 times more likely to die (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/18/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html)

[Arlo]

The latest mutation is, from what i know, called My.

Markus

Mu.

[mapuc]

Why is it that Corona virus has exploded in number of cases in USA, where the American still have some restriction they must follow, while the number of infected here in Denmark goes down R0=0.7 and number of people in hospital is going down for the moment and this despite Denmark has open fully.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Doesn't Denmark have a very high vaccination percentage?

Says 75% 12 and older are vaccinated.

[mapuc]

Doesn't Denmark have a very high vaccination percentage?

Says 75% 12 and older are vaccinated.

They have.
Made a search to see how many percentage of the American people is fully vaccinated
and found an article
USA has according to NPR 54.1 % fully vaccinated
Could this could be the reason ?

Markus

[Arlo]

They have.
Made a search to see how many percentage of the American people is fully vaccinated
and found an article
USA has according to NPR 54.1 % fully vaccinated
Could this could be the reason ?

Markus

:hmmm::shucks:

[Arlo]

https://i.imgur.com/IPTukyf.png

[Rockstar]

Dr. Robert Malone, mRNA Vaccines Inventor, Tweetstorm Warning Goes Viral

SEPTEMBER 12, 2021
Here’s a screenshot of the tweet storm, or series of rapid tweets, from Dr. Robert W. Malone, MD, who is credited as the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology, and mRNA as a drug-like mechanism.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/589c8e68a5790a3587724c24/1631492543991-DDL2MUXKPK294JV42WDQ/Screen+Shot+2021-09-12+at+8.19.13+PM.png?format=1500w

As we reported earlier in the year, Dr. Malone was the subject of a deplatforming attempt by major search engines and some social media platforms as his anti-vaccine message began to take off — he has apparently taken the vaccine, but has concerns about long-term safety, especially in the young.

https://www.fulcrumnews.com/blog/2021/9/12/dr-robert-malone-mrna-vaccines-inventor-tweetstorm-warning-goes-viral

[Catfish]

[...]I fear that due to our massive vaccination, the virus will find a way(mutate) so the vaccine has no function [...]It already has. The vaccine is being out smarted by the virus currently.
:D Every vaccine is "outsmarted" by any virus if people refuse to take the vaccine.
You need appx. 80 percent of vaccinated people to get anywhere near herd immunity.
By having 50 percent vaccinated we are training the vaccine to adapt and replicate more.

The virus can only replicate and mutate in persons that have not achieved immunity by getting sick, or are not vaccinated.

Which is why non-vaccers are spoiling it for the "rest". Which is why the virus still exists, replicates, and mutates. Which is why it will be with mankind for a long time, if not forever. The longer it is allowed to exist, the more abundant it will become, making it more difficult with every new mutation to find a vaccine.

Would people react like with the Polio virus vaccine, Corona would be near extinction by now.
Why is this so hard to understand?

[Skybird]

Dr. Robert Malone, mRNA Vaccines Inventor, Tweetstorm Warning Goes Viral

SEPTEMBER 12, 2021
Here’s a screenshot of the tweet storm, or series of rapid tweets, from Dr. Robert W. Malone, MD, who is credited as the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology, and mRNA as a drug-like mechanism. [...]
As we reported earlier in the year, Dr. Malone was the subject of a deplatforming attempt by major search engines and some social media platforms as his anti-vaccine message began to take off — he has apparently taken the vaccine, but has concerns about long-term safety, especially in the young.


https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

[Deepslick]

:D Every vaccine is "outsmarted" by any virus if people refuse to take the vaccine.
You need appx. 80 percent of vaccinated people to get anywhere near herd immunity.
By having 50 percent vaccinated we are training the vaccine to adapt and replicate more.

The virus can only replicate and mutate in persons that have not achieved immunity by getting sick, or are not vaccinated.

Which is why non-vaccers are spoiling it for the "rest". Which is why the virus still exists, replicates, and mutates. Which is why it will be with mankind for a long time, if not forever. The longer it is allowed to exist, the more abundant it will become, making it more difficult with every new mutation to find a vaccine.



Would people react like with the Polio virus vaccine, Corona would be near extinction by now.
Why is this so hard to understand?


Polio virus wasnt man made. Polio virus gave you more trouble than a flu.
Polio virus wasnt a political virus. Even when polio was much much more serious virus the world didnt shut down in mass hysteria and used it for political gains. If you dont get suspicious of this virus and its origin, seeing what it did to change voting laws in the u.s and having a mail in ballot system discarded by several big nations in western europe cause of high chance of voting fraud. The destruction of world economy benefiting china. Then I dont know what would make you suspicious. If you only get your news from main stream media then I understand you completely. Someone close to me had corona virus and he shrugged it off in a few days saying he was much more sick last year with common flu. It is suspicious as hell all of this. All you hear of in the media pushing new cases, new cases, new cases and no deaths. Big lie all of it. Leftist agendas cooperating with china to stop orange man bad and a conservative wind over europe. Guess what, they succeeded. Time to brake out of this mass psychosis.

[Jimbuna]

Ministers are considering scrapping the requirement for double-jabbed people returning to the UK to take PCR tests.

The traffic light system could also be overhauled in rule changes expected to be announced later.

Dropping travel PCR tests makes sense as many other countries have lower infection rates than the UK, says the boss of holiday company Tui.

Italy is to make it compulsory for all workers to have proof of vaccination, a negative test or recovery from the virus.

A civil court case begins against the Austrian government over alleged mishandling of an outbreak at the ski resort of Ischgl in March 2020

Long Covid may be less common than previously thought, according to the Office for National Statistics.

[Jimbuna]

A total of 2,542 deaths occurred in England up to 12 September of people who were either confirmed or likely to have had the Delta variant of Covid-19 and who died within 28 days of a positive test, according to new figures from Public Health England.

Of this number, 204 were under the age of 50 and 2,336 were aged 50 or over.

Of the 204 deaths of people under 50, 132 (65%) were unvaccinated, 17 (8%) had received one dose of vaccine and 48 (24%) had received both doses.

Of the 2,336 deaths of people aged 50 or over, 590 (25%) were unvaccinated, 149 (6%) had received one dose of vaccine and 1,565 (67%) had received both doses.

A small number of virus samples could not be matched with vaccination records.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/2y3gyjKf/120594659-uk-card-with-vax-2doses16sep-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/9w5LN22x)

[AVGWarhawk]

:D Every vaccine is "outsmarted" by any virus if people refuse to take the vaccine.
You need appx. 80 percent of vaccinated people to get anywhere near herd immunity.
By having 50 percent vaccinated we are training the vaccine to adapt and replicate more.

The virus can only replicate and mutate in persons that have not achieved immunity by getting sick, or are not vaccinated.

Which is why non-vaccers are spoiling it for the "rest". Which is why the virus still exists, replicates, and mutates. Which is why it will be with mankind for a long time, if not forever. The longer it is allowed to exist, the more abundant it will become, making it more difficult with every new mutation to find a vaccine.

Would people react like with the Polio virus vaccine, Corona would be near extinction by now.
Why is this so hard to understand?

Polio virus only host is humans. The reason the vaccine worked to eradicate polio. And near extinction is not eradicated. Covid will never be eradicated.

[Rockstar]

https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

Yes and government officials playing doctor and issuing mandates is so very reassuring and perfect. You can find flaws in just everything and everyone except the politicians and their mandates and the insanely weird demands placed on people for something that has over a 98% survival rate wether they’re vaccinated or not and which has dropped to the 8th leading cause of death in the U.S. and seems to be going lower as the months go by. Check the fearporn it’s become politicized all the REPORTED problems are in so-called “Republican” states. But everything I see on the John Hopkins COVID Dashboard tells me most states regardless of their political affiliation are doing about the same. Call me crazy but I don’t think the virus spreads by checking voter ID cards.

One thing Dr. Malone did say was masks only slow the spread but it will not stop it. Seems to me then mask mandates just prolong the agony. I don’t wear a mask and guess what I got COVID no more waiting around for me I’m over it. :D



SARS-Cov2 and it’s variants will be with us for a very long time ever used to it.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm vaccinated. I got delta including shortness of breath but no pneumonia. I'd have been hospitalized if I were unvaccinated.

Call it something else if "vaccine" doesn't sit right with you. Getting covid sucks. Getting it with symptoms bad enough to hospitalize you is preventable.

Sorry the COVID caused you much grief. It appears to have really socked you good. The virus does affect many in so many ways.

You are under the assumption that I have an issue with the vaccine. The only issue I have is the lack of sufficient testing(years as other vaccine have been tested). Nothing more. I will get the vaccine eventually and it will be administered by my Dr. People must understand not everyone is in a daily situation were coming into contact with COVID is a very high probability. I'm a person(so is my wife) who has very little chance if any to come into contact with COVID. My wife and I use best practices daily as we have done since the beginning. We live in a area that has never exploded with cases or inundated the hospitals.

[Catfish]

Polio virus only host is humans. The reason the vaccine worked to eradicate polio. And near extinction is not eradicated. Covid will never be eradicated.
This does not disprove my argument, the less viruses present within a human population the less infections.
Polio has not been eradicated either, it still exists, just does not replicate as much because of early vaccinations to children since the 195ies.

[AVGWarhawk]

This does not disprove my argument, the less viruses present within a human population the less infections.
Polio has not been eradicated either, it still exists, just does not replicate as much because of early vaccinations to children since the 195ies.

I was not looking to disprove the argument. Polio is a very different virus and how it interacts with humans only. I don't find the polio vaccine and its success as a good talking point for COVID and the vaccine as both are different regarding hosts. :up:

[Dowly]

Why is it that Corona virus has exploded in number of cases in USA, where the American still have some restriction they must follow, while the number of infected here in Denmark goes down R0=0.7 and number of people in hospital is going down for the moment and this despite Denmark has open fully.

Markus
You only need to read what some Americans are saying in this very thread to find the answer to your question.

[mapuc]

:D Every vaccine is "outsmarted" by any virus if people refuse to take the vaccine.
You need appx. 80 percent of vaccinated people to get anywhere near herd immunity.
By having 50 percent vaccinated we are training the vaccine to adapt and replicate more.

The virus can only replicate and mutate in persons that have not achieved immunity by getting sick, or are not vaccinated.

Which is why non-vaccers are spoiling it for the "rest". Which is why the virus still exists, replicates, and mutates. Which is why it will be with mankind for a long time, if not forever. The longer it is allowed to exist, the more abundant it will become, making it more difficult with every new mutation to find a vaccine.

Would people react like with the Polio virus vaccine, Corona would be near extinction by now.
Why is this so hard to understand?


It's nothing but a feeling..
This virus is intelligent and even if everyone got the vaccine the virus would find a way to penetrate the vaccine-Even becoming more deadly.

Markus

[Skybird]

Virusses are neither intelligent, nor clever.

They are not aware and they are not even alive. They are a piece of genetic informaiton only, and an entry opportunity or not attached to it. Think of them as a lockpick with an agent smeared on it. The agent can do good or bad things if the lockpick opens the lock, but it certainly changes genetic information.

Maybe that is the reason why virusses even exist. To introduce an element of creative chaos to existing gene pools.

Estimations say that 8% of the human genome originate in virusses having altered human genes.

[Arlo]

Estimations say that 8% of the human genome originate in viruses having altered human genes.

Explains a lot, actually. ;)

[Arlo]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/242241138_4770776012952978_3304025051489386006_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=2jBwVMETw2sAX9tg6Xd&tn=yPGLy6ZxJ6pwdDM0&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=e5a2dfacb154e9294e35a3e93388eb0f&oe=616AAAE9

[mapuc]

Virusses are neither intelligent, nor clever.

They are not aware and they are not even alive. They are a piece of genetic informaiton only, and an entry opportunity or not attached to it. Think of them as a lockpick with an agent smeared on it. The agent can do good or bad things if the lockpick opens the lock, but it certainly changes genetic information.

Maybe that is the reason why virusses even exist. To introduce an element of creative chaos to existing gene pools.

Estimations say that 8% of the human genome originate in virusses having altered human genes.

Thank you Skybird.
Can you make a virus smart in a Lab ?

Markus

[Arlo]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/242064720_870319413905401_904752403467080475_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=pRzmptIuQUsAX8LMUlo&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=2827b1e6b05a861eaa40cbd5033a13d7&oe=6168D56F

[Skybird]

Thank you Skybird.
Can you make a virus smart in a Lab ?

Markus
"Smartness" needs either the existence of a chip or a neural network.



Can you make the tip of a nail smart? A grain of sand? A ray of sunlight that becomes visible in moist air?

[AVGWarhawk]

FDA Authorizes Additional Monoclonal Antibody for Treatment of COVID-19

I know an individual that had the treatment. He was almost 100% after 3 days.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-additional-monoclonal-antibody-treatment-covid-19

[mapuc]

"Smartness" needs either the existence of a chip or a neural network.



Can you make the tip of a nail smart? A grain of sand? A ray of sunlight that becomes visible in moist air?

I was thinking on the Lab theory. Could the Chinese have altered the original virus SARS virus ?
And are they still doing it ?

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I was thinking on the Lab theory. Could the Chinese have altered the original virus SARS virus ?
And are they still doing it ?

Markus

Probably and yes.

[Skybird]

I was thinking on the Lab theory. Could the Chinese have altered the original virus SARS virus ?
And are they still doing it ?

Markus
The first question, that in priciple is possible and part of research done in high risk laboratories (in practically all higher developed countries) dealing with virus infections, cures for them, as well as military research.



The second question, well, that is being hotly debated, isn't it.

[Skybird]

No episode from Northern Exposure.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/alaska-highest-vaccination-rate-now-covid-19-crisis/story?id=80037643

[AVGWarhawk]

No episode from Northern Exposure.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/alaska-highest-vaccination-rate-now-covid-19-crisis/story?id=80037643

Sorry, it appears to me the story is not quite what it seems. The numbers do not equate to a "bleak outlook". ICU beds per capita are no lower than many other states.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vULYDSJAzPs

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Et4PUyS94

[Arlo]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s720x720/242104636_5544542802305395_8274209723822815207_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=SdXdTYyG1wEAX9S-nLV&tn=yPGLy6ZxJ6pwdDM0&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=55d4beb2c0eaa1f8f5ee33524f3b92df&oe=616C3A1D

[Arlo]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/117715984_10158042643679064_2105118969983455801_n. jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=96z5_8-P4ewAX8vAA7Z&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=d38695e313b37a7017a4c292b02d3d18&oe=6168E995

[Sean C]

[...]https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/117715984_10158042643679064_2105118969983455801_n. jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=96z5_8-P4ewAX8vAA7Z&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=d38695e313b37a7017a4c292b02d3d18&oe=6168E995


Just a heads up: most of your posts look completely blank to me. If you're posting links to Facebook or similar sites that require a login, anyone who is not logged in will not see anything.


Cheers!

[AVGWarhawk]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/117715984_10158042643679064_2105118969983455801_n. jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=96z5_8-P4ewAX8vAA7Z&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=d38695e313b37a7017a4c292b02d3d18&oe=6168E995


Tell that to the lions

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/big-cats-at-smithsonian-zoo-test-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-AAOz21u?ocid=overlayclose

[Rockstar]

From the U.S. National Institute of Health

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

“Several months ago, our studies showed that natural infection induced a strong response, and this study now shows that the responses last,” Weiskopf says. “We are hopeful that a similar pattern of responses lasting over time will also emerge for the vaccine-induced responses.”


WTF/. So they’re only hopeful the vaccine will produce a good as response as natural immunity. :har::har::har::har::har::har:

It appears the mandate nazis are just a bunch of gullible guinea pigs, unwitting participants in one big experiment :har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:

Hurry off you mandate nazis & fear mongers and go get your endless battery of boosters now. :har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har: :har::har:


Btw there was a CDC funded study that determined the U.S. reached herd immunity last May.

[Skybird]

Just a heads up: most of your posts look completely blank to me. If you're posting links to Facebook or similar sites that require a login, anyone who is not logged in will not see anything.

Ach, thats a Twitter and FB block? I too have many empt posts by Arlo, but thought these were his word-free way of commenting. Like rolling eyes.

[mapuc]

We all have the right to speak out

Can I use my free speech right to spread false information and conspiracy stuff among my friends ?

Doesn't a person have some responsibility to think before posting false/conspiracy stuff about Corona and Covid-19 ?

I does not have enough knowledge about this virus, so I read and hear what they tell me in the news and I follow the instruction given to me.

Markus

[Arlo]

https://i.imgur.com/I4Cyh1p.png

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vULYDSJAzPs&t=1s

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/52hvBtgg/120614854-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-18sep-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/sMJvystG)

[AVGWarhawk]

https://i.imgur.com/I4Cyh1p.png

I lost all my marbles. This does not apply.

[Rockstar]

It’s covidian cult science. Spitting on mirrors using colored marbles it’s all pretty technical though, nobody understands it but them.

[Rockstar]

So a few minutes in we see AOC walking into the Met Gala. Not her or one of the guests are wearing a mask, not one of these rich elite Democrat supporters. But take note who are wearing masks. Why their servants are those who cater to their whims and assist AOC with her idiotic dress they are made to wear them.

https://youtu.be/teSYEe4iPe8

[Arlo]

It’s covidian cult science. Spitting on mirrors using colored marbles it’s all pretty technical though, nobody understands it but them.

No matter how it gets dumbed down, there will always be those too dumb (or stubborn). :shucks:

[Arlo]

https://i.imgur.com/WJAbiey.png

[Rockstar]

No matter how it gets dumbed down, there will always be those too dumb (or stubborn). :shucks:

Oh the great Covidiancult does an excellent job of dumbing things down alright


Cults satisfy the human desire for absolute answers.

Those with low self-esteem are more likely to be persuaded by a cult environment.

Cult members often have no idea they’re in a cult.

Cults maintain their power by promoting an “us vs. them” mentality.

[Arlo]

Oh the great Covidiancult does an excellent job of dumbing things down alright


Cults satisfy the human desire for absolute answers.

Those with low self-esteem are more likely to be persuaded by a cult environment.

Cult members often have no idea they’re in a cult.

Cults maintain their power by promoting an “us vs. them” mentality.

Take your post to heart, Rockie. Quite often cult members project. :shucks:

[Rockstar]

you just keep believing. :up:

And finally, keep your flock fixated on the carrot. The payoff is just around the corner and only they will be the ones paid off. The clouds will part and they will be raptured up and then, boy-oh-boy, won't all those non-believers be sorry. :har::har::har::har:


While the covidian cult suggests spitting on mirrors, use of Facebook memes and colored marbles to prove their god exists. Actual real honest to goodness science has suggested we reached or were very close to reaching herd immunity last May. Nobody in their right mind gives a hoot or cares about your cult science and sermons of doom for the unbelievers.

Go away and take your religion with you.

[Arlo]

you just keep believing. :up:

And finally, keep your flock fixated on the carrot. The payoff is just around the corner and only they will be the ones paid off. The clouds will part and they will be raptured up and then, boy-oh-boy, won't all those non-believers be sorry. :har::har::har::har:


While the covidian cult suggests spitting on mirrors, use of Facebook memes and colored marbles to prove their god exists. Actual real honest to goodness science has suggested we reached or were very close to reaching herd immunity last May. Nobody in their right mind gives a hoot or cares about your cult science and sermons of doom for the unbelievers.

Go away and take your religion with you.

Again, relax Rockie. :shucks:

[Rockstar]

Couldn’t be more relaxed, I’m having a good laugh at your covidian cult science and increasing my post count at the same time. Win win.:yeah:

[Arlo]

Couldn’t be more relaxed, I’m having a good laugh at your covidian cult science and increasing my post count at the same time. Win win.:yeah:

Just don't confuse self-persuasion for persuasion. May your post count be a comfort to you. :shucks:

[Arlo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23aagMpfIoc

[Arlo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqlwfRTHRqg

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVtX7tY1B0U

[Jimbuna]

A booster shot will start being offered to all adults over 50 across the UK from today.

Those eligible include younger adults with health conditions and front-line health and social care workers.

Children aged 12 to 15 in England and Scotland are also now able to get a Covid vaccine.

The roll-out is also beginning in Wales this week, while in Northern Ireland it is likely to be offered from October.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to urge President Joe Biden to end the US ban on British travellers when they meet this week.

The UK reported a further 29,612 coronavirus cases on Sunday and 56 more people died within 28 days of a positive test.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/FRk6xD0J/120621031-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-19sep-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/dkvnsRHq)

[Rockstar]

Fauci reveals his cluelessness or unwillingness to give a knowledgeable answer. More talk about various levels of immunity what we know and don’t know.

https://youtu.be/tcAHvj6B1Nk

[Dowly]

Anti-mask FL GOP bookkeeper dies of COVID — leaving party without access to finance software:
https://www.salon.com/2021/09/19/anti-mask-fl-bookkeeper-dies-of-leaving-party-without-access-to-finance-software/



After spending months railing against COVID-19 precautions and criticizing Dr. Anthony Fauci, a Republican Party official in Florida passed away this week — leaving his county-level GOP organization without access to critical financial accounts.

Gregg Prentice, 61, served as accountant for the Hillsborough County GOP and also chaired the organization's committee for election integrity. A software engineer by trade, Tampa Bay's local Patch outlet reported that he built and maintained the local Republican party's campaign finance software last year and was responsible for filing its monthly reports to the Federal Elections Commission.

A FEC filing from the surviving members of the organization claims that Prentice died without sharing login information for these accounts, or any sort of instructions for how to use them. The letter also tells the regulatory agency it will likely need more time to complete a report on its August fundraising numbers, and foreshadows trouble compiling the local party's financials for future months as well.

[Arlo]

Always make yourself indispensable. Then dispense yourself?

[AVGWarhawk]

The impact of monoclonal antibodies and COVID-19 recovery

To date, three monoclonal antibodies have been authorized for emergency use by the FDA. These monoclonal antibodies mimic the function of our immune system to help fight COVID-19 by blocking the ability of COVID-19 to attach and enter human cells and/or helping to clear cells which are already infected. The virus must enter the cells to reproduce, as it cannot replicate on its own. By preventing it from doing so or clearing cells in which the virus has already entered, these treatments can help slow the spread of a person’s infection, potentially reducing the length and severity of symptoms.

https://catalyst.phrma.org/the-impact-of-monoclonal-antibodies-and-covid-19-recovery?utm_campaign=2021-q3-cov-inn&utm_medium=pai_srh_cpc-ggl-adf&utm_source=ggl&utm_content=clk-pol-tpv_scl-geo_std-usa-dca-pai_srh_cpc-ggl-adf-COVIDVaccinesMonoclonalAntibodiesSearchWCDC2-cov_vac-edu-inf-lrm-soc_txt-std-vra-adf&utm_term=&gclid=CjwKCAjw4qCKBhAVEiwAkTYsPP_CitHoVb_SwuhKCBSP SxeneZRVWsjbGBRJ3gHbXd7_su08pB7phRoC1WEQAvD_BwE

[Skybird]

Doctors at a hospital in Erlangen, Germany, claim breakthrough in treatment of LongCovid. They healed several patients by using a heart drug.


Considering the enormous social. and economical impact that LongCovid patients cause while not appearing in the hospitalization and ICU statistics - while doing maybe even more economic damage -, this is very relevant, and not minor.

[Arlo]

People's preference of intervention over prevention, regarding Covid, is just astounding. I can't imagine someone choosing to walk barefoot through a nest of rattlesnakes just because the nearby hospital has anti-venom (or they at least hope so). SMDH. :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

People's preference of intervention over prevention, regarding Covid, is just astounding. I can't imagine someone choosing to walk barefoot through a nest of rattlesnakes just because the nearby hospital has anti-venom (or they at least hope so). SMDH. :shucks:

You can SYDH all day. Not everyone can take the vaccine. I can't imagine that looking for effective treatments after one has contracted the virus is of non-interest to you or anyone else.

[Arlo]

You can SYDH all day. Not everyone can take the vaccine. I can't imagine that looking for effective treatments after one has contracted the virus is of non-interest to you or anyone else.

If you're discussing this as an option for the extremely rare instance of those who can't take the vaccine (and I'm fairly certain that isn't really a thing) then 'kudos' to you. If you're promoting this as a viable option for everyone to consider instead of taking the vaccine, entirely, then consider giving it a rethink. :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

If you're discussing this as an option for the extremely rare instance of those who can't take the vaccine (and I'm fairly certain that isn't really a thing) then 'kudos' to you. If you're promoting this as a viable option for everyone to consider instead of taking the vaccine, entirely, then consider giving it a rethink. :shucks:

Arlo, it is not a rare instance some can not take the vaccine. It is a viable option. I have a friend that contracted COVID. He can not take the vaccine. This procedure was approved for him. In 48 hours he was well on the way to healthy. Not to mention as the current vaccine is starting to get less effective it would be a great idea to continue with finding alternative to just a vaccine. We have cold and flu meds for the cold and flu. The flu vaccine is not 100% effective.

[Jimbuna]

The White House says the ban on UK and EU travellers coming to the US will be lifted in November.

The ban has been in force since March 2020 when the pandemic began gathering pace.

The move has been welcomed by Prime Minister Boris Johnson, along with UK airlines and airports.

On Monday the UK recorded 36,100 new Covid cases and 49 deaths within 28 days of a positive test.

[Ostfriese]

We have cold and flu meds for the cold and flu.


We don't, actually. Both a cold and the flu are viral infections, and the human immune system has to deal with, and medication can only support the body in that task.

The flu vaccine (which has a lower efficacy than the Covid vaccines, btw) does exactly the same: it prepares the immune system for the virus strains that statistically are the most likely to be around.

[AVGWarhawk]

We don't, actually. Both a cold and the flu are viral infections, and the human immune system has to deal with, and medication can only support the body in that task.

The flu vaccine (which has a lower efficacy than the Covid vaccines, btw) does exactly the same: it prepares the immune system for the virus strains that statistically are the most likely to be around.

Yes, the prescribed treatments for COVID also help the body deal with the task. I understand that. Arlo appears to hang his hat on the COVID vaccine only.

[Arlo]

Arlo, it is not a rare instance some can not take the vaccine. It is a viable option. I have a friend that contracted COVID. He can not take the vaccine. This procedure was approved for him. In 48 hours he was well on the way to healthy. Not to mention as the current vaccine is starting to get less effective it would be a great idea to continue with finding alternative to just a vaccine. We have cold and flu meds for the cold and flu. The flu vaccine is not 100% effective.

My apologies. Carry on, sir.

[Arlo]

https://i.imgur.com/r1njHPT.png

[August]

Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx

[Jimbuna]

The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine should be accepted under new US travel rules, White House medical adviser Dr Anthony Fauci says.

A ban on UK and EU travellers will lift in early November.

Fully-jabbed passengers can enter the US if they take a Covid test before travelling.

But precise details are yet to be ironed out - including eligible vaccines.

UK records 36,100 new Covid cases and 49 deaths within 28 days of a positive test on Monday.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/44YhV15Z/d0774927-99d4-4ba3-88bd-cc9be39f2af6.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[MaDef]

https://i.imgur.com/r1njHPT.png

The mortality rate is still less than 2%, so if you want to be a "Chicken Little" that's your prerogative. Just leave me out of it.

[Arlo]

I'm sure 156,000,000 people (2% of the world population) would love to see you 'out of it.' :shucks:

[Rockstar]

Since Dr. Fauci said wearing masks were pointless and the NIH study concluded N95 masks DO NOT provide the level of protection people think it does.

I think your meme should be moved to the Covidian Cult pseudo-science and philosophy thread.

[Arlo]

Since Dr. Fauci said wearing masks were pointless and the NIH study concluded N95 masks DO NOT provide the level of protection people think it does.

I think your meme should be moved to the Covidian Cult pseudo-science and philosophy thread.

You think a lot of weird things. But that's ok. I know my recognizing the 'radical right death cult' thing with you permanently pushed a button. Guess there's no fixing that. :shucks:

[Dowly]

The mortality rate is still less than 2%, so if you want to be a "Chicken Little" that's your prerogative. Just leave me out of it.
Yet it has killed nearly 5 million people worldwide in less than two years.

[Arlo]

Yet it has killed nearly 5 million people worldwide in less than two years.

That's the difference between 'if it doesn't affect me then its no big deal' and 'its affecting a lot of people so it needs to be addressed' mentalities. It won't matter to the former until it personally affects them.

[mapuc]

I myself hasn't had one tiny symptoms since Corona became pandemic.
This doesn't mean that I didn't follow the Danish authorities instructions.
And it doesn't mean I reject it as being a hoax-
This because one of my little sister, his husband(my brother-in-law) and my cousin got infected and was very sick.

Markus

[Arlo]

https://i.imgur.com/rvLlHwO.png

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsGLNNewJlU

[MaDef]

I'm sure 156,000,000 people (2% of the world population) would love to see you 'out of it.' :shucks:

There you go again, assuming facts not in evidence.

[mapuc]

Ca 219 million world wide have been infected by Covid-19. Whereof Ca 4.55 million died from the infection.

Markus

[Arlo]

There you go again, assuming facts not in evidence.

What fact or number of facts 'not in evidence' are you referring to? Why all this effort on your part if it doesn't affect you?
:shucks:

[August]

What fact or number of facts 'not in evidence' are you referring to?

Your specious claim that 156 million people have died from Covid would be my guess.

[mapuc]

I googled how many have died from Corona, which I mentioned in my last post. 4.55 Million has so far died from a Covid-19 infection.

Markus

[August]

I googled how many have died from Corona, which I mentioned in my last post. 4.55 Million has so far died from a Covid-19 infection.

Markus

Or in other words 0.065% of the worlds population. Arlo must get his math skills from the same school as Joe Biden. :)

[Arlo]

Your specious claim that 156 million people have died from Covid would be my guess.

Have died? Will die? What 2% mortality rate did you think Def was referring to? That is 2% of the global population. Def is projecting that many deaths (and he may eventually be right, currently the global death count is over 4.5 million and growing).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/

:shucks:

[mapuc]

Or in other words 0.065% of the worlds population. Arlo must get his math skills from the same school as Joe Biden. :)

Remember that they have said in the news here that the official number is most likely wrong, there is a dark number. In USA as many as 900.000 can have died from this Covid-19 infection. The Same in Brazil.

So we have an official and a unofficial number of dead.

Markus

[Arlo]

https://i.imgur.com/zDO3bgn.png

[AVGWarhawk]

https://i.imgur.com/zDO3bgn.png


But we still do hear about them. Add COVID to the list of virus that we will need to learn to live with.

[Arlo]

But we still do hear about them. Add COVID to the list of virus that we will need to learn to live with.

Living and vaccine the key words of this story. :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

Living and vaccine the key words of this story. :shucks:

To which I agree. :Kaleun_Wink:

[Arlo]

https://i.imgur.com/1rJnINr.png

[Arlo]

https://i.imgur.com/EhDT3Ea.png

A year and a half into the pandemic, doctors are getting better at recognizing long COVID — the collection of persistent health problems that some people develop after a coronavirus infection — but research has yet to pinpoint what could be driving the illness.

"Most likely it's more than just one condition," said Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, which is pouring $470 million into a national study on long COVID. "The really troubling aspects of this terrible pandemic might be the lingering of this long-tail effect on people."

Long COVID is a kind of shape-shifting illness that can span dozens of symptoms — a large international study identified more than 200 of them. Some of the most common include headaches, fatigue, brain fog, and shortness of breath. It can happen after severe and mild infections, in both old and young people.

Anywhere from 10% to 30% of people who get infected with the coronavirus will have persistent symptoms lasting at least one month, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Many with long COVID continue to deal with symptoms for many months, even more than a year after the initial infection.

Scientists are pursuing many different lines of research about the possible biological mechanisms underlying the condition, hoping this research will ultimately yield meaningful treatments for the millions of people who are afflicted, sometimes with debilitating symptoms.

Here are four major theories researchers are investigating.

1. Maybe the virus never left
One theory some scientists are looking into is viral persistence. The idea is that someone catches the SARS-CoV-2 virus and eventually gets over the initial infection, but it's possible the virus sticks around in some parts of the body, causing the kinds of persistent symptoms seen in long COVID patients.

"That's one of the first questions we need to answer," says Dr. Walter Koroshetz, director of the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. "Is COVID hiding in the body somewhere?"

This wouldn't be unprecedented. Other viruses are known to linger in parts of the body for months or even years, creating a "viral reservoir" in places where the immune system is not as likely to root it out, says Amy Proal, a microbiologist at the PolyBio Research Foundation, who has proposed a variety of theories for what could be causing long COVID.

"Pathogens, in simple terms, tend to hide in tissue and, in fact, they have a lot of mechanisms to do that," she says. "The proteins they create allow them to better burrow into tissue."

For example, scientists have found evidence of the virus that causes Ebola in tissue and body fluids long after the initial infection. Some Ebola survivors suffer from chronic symptoms, and they appear to have waxing and waning immune responses against the virus, as if they were still infected, Proal says. Recent research even suggests an outbreak of Ebola in West Africa originated with someone who was infected years earlier and had harbored the virus.

Some studies suggest the coronavirus remains in parts of the body, including the gut, well after someone has recovered, although this doesn't necessarily mean the person can spread the virus easily.

This theory of viral persistence would also explain why some people with long COVID start to feel better after receiving the COVID vaccines, because the shot would essentially boost their immune response against the lingering virus. A team at Yale School of Medicine is currently studying this possibility.

2. Once on, the immune system fails to turn off
The long COVID patients that come to see Dr. Nancy Klimas remind her a lot of another group of patients she's used to treating — people with chronic fatigue syndrome, also called ME/CFS.

"That's an illness that more often than not is post viral," says Klimas, an immunologist at NOVA Southeastern University. "There's a virus that just pushes the on button on the immune system and doesn't seem to release it."

ME/CFS isn't fully understood, either, but Klimas says the viruses that trigger it tend to be the most inflammatory — similar to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which can be so deadly because it creates such an extraordinarily inflammatory reaction. "So it's not too surprising that the coronavirus would be another trigger of a similar illness," she says.

Many patients and researchers hope that all the attention on long COVID will offer new insights about the mechanisms underlying ME/CFS and other post-viral illnesses, because with the coronavirus there are now so many people who can recall the details of the origin of the illness, says Dr. Peter Rowe of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

"Part of our hope is that the increased interest is going to bring in more scientific firepower to help tackle these unanswered questions," he says.

3. The immune system starts attacking itself
It's possible the virus has triggered autoimmunity in some long COVID patients. This is when a person's own immune system gets confused and attacks tissues and organs in the body.

Researchers have found that a coronavirus infection can lead the body to create certain proteins, called "autoantibodies," that can end up being harmful. Autoantibodies are seen in many autoimmune diseases.

"We found that COVID-19 patients had astonishing numbers of autoantibodies that were actually more than what we see in autoimmune conditions like lupus," says Dr. Aaron Ring, an immunologist at Yale School of Medicine.

Ring is part of a research team that's identified some of these autoantibodies in sick COVID-19 patients. "A lot of the autoantibodies were actually directed against the immune system itself," he says, calling it "immune fratricide."

Those autoantibodies were also directed at many other parts of the body, from the brain and central nervous system to blood vessels and platelets. So far, it appears these autoantibodies can hang around in some patients who had COVID-19 for many months, if not longer.

"That could explain the diverse outcomes that we see in terms of long COVID and how it manifests, but this isn't proven yet," Ring says.

4. Other problem viruses wake up
One more idea: It could be that other viruses people had before getting the coronavirus reemerge during the infection and start to cause problems.

These viruses may have been kept in check when the person was healthy, but it's possible that fighting the SARS-CoV-2 virus dysregulates and throws off their immune system. "This provides a very good atmosphere for these other viruses to reactivate and potentially infect new nerves, new tissue or the central nervous system, even in the brain," says Proal.

Under this scenario, viruses other than the coronavirus could be contributing to the chronic symptoms seen in long COVID. In fact, a recent study found that long COVID patients were more likely to have reactivation of the Epstein-Barr virus — what causes mononucleosis — suggesting COVID-19 caused that virus to reactivate.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/24/1030723370/scientists-are-working-to-make-sense-of-long-covid-and-its-203-possible-symptoms?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR29mKR9aIlU6kOfcJi-Uotslwe5bam5ikriYlkn_RnV5FgfLoJtF2_N_PM

[August]

Remember that they have said in the news here that the official number is most likely wrong, there is a dark number. In USA as many as 900.000 can have died from this Covid-19 infection. The Same in Brazil.

So we have an official and a unofficial number of dead.

Markus




Yeah there are all kinds of claims but I'd say the official number is an overestimate if anything.

[Arlo]

Yeah there are all kinds of claims but I'd say the official number is an overestimate if anything.

Dead being the important part. But they don't count. :shucks:

[August]

Dead being the important part. But they don't count. :shucks:


Well it's obvious that YOU can't count. 156 million coof deaths indeed. :roll:

[Arlo]

Well it's obvious that YOU can't count. 156 million coof deaths indeed. :roll:

2% mortality rate. The death toll increases daily. Def expects this number. Have you a different number in mind. Will it make your argument 'better?' :shucks:

[Skybird]

https://i.imgur.com/1rJnINr.png
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori (if Republican-governed).

[Arlo]

Mortui honores non sentiunt de se collatos.

[MaDef]

Yet it has killed nearly 5 million people worldwide in less than two years.
And 55+ million people die per year (accidents, disease, murder, war, malnutrition etc.). What's your point?

[Arlo]

And 55+ million people die per year (accidents, disease, murder, war, malnutrition etc.). What's your point?

Well it certainly not yours, which appears to be that contagious pandemics do not differ, in any way, from deaths of any other kind and that measures to control it are useless because we're all gonna die anyway. Vaccines are all inherently evil. We should all dance with snakes in church. :03::shucks:

[Arlo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeHSkDCm58

[Dowly]

And 55+ million people die per year (accidents, disease, murder, war, malnutrition etc.). What's your point?
Lumping together various, wildly different causes of deaths is pointless. Covid is one disease.

[MaDef]

Well it certainly not yours, which appears to be that contagious pandemics do not differ, in any way, from deaths of any other kind and that measures to control it are useless because we're all gonna die anyway. Vaccines are all inherently evil. We should all dance with snakes in church. :03::shucks:

didn't ask you, and I have not intimated that vaccines are evil or bad.

I am saying you children are making the covid-19 pandemic into a bigger problem than it actually is, all because you cant exercise a little common sense and think for yourselves.

[Buddahaid]

didn't ask you, and I have not intimated that vaccines are evil or bad.

I am saying you children are making the covid-19 pandemic into a bigger problem than it actually is, all because you cant exercise a little common sense and think for yourselves.

Does that slight make you feel superior? Us children do not need your sage advice to know what the sharp end of the stick is.

[August]

Does that slight make you feel superior? Us children do not need your sage advice to know what the sharp end of the stick is.

It's nothing worse than what Arlo spews out every day. How come you never have a problem with that?

[Arlo]

It's nothing worse than what Arlo spews out every day. How come you never have a problem with that?

You have a uniquely biased sensitivity, it seems. :shucks:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9cjy3Rydc

[Jimbuna]

Covishield has been added to the UK's list of recognised vaccines, recipients of which are able to enter the country without isolating from next month.

But its still unclear whether Indian travellers will avoid the need to isolate on arrival.

India is not listed as one of the countries where people will be recognised as vaccinated by the UK even if they have had two doses.

However, the United Arab Emirates has been added to this list this morning, so travellers from there will not have to isolate in the UK

Global cases fell significantly to 3.6 million last week from 4 million the week before, WHO reports.

Brazil's health minister has tested positive for Covid-19, after attending the UN General Assembly in New York.

As policy makers look for creative ways to encourage people to get their vaccines, Romania's government has announced a new vaccination lottery.
Any fully-vaccinated residents with an EU digital Covid certificate can enter the scheme, which is running from 1 October until the end of the year.

The Australian state of Victoria has seen a third day of protests against the compulsory vaccination of construction workers.

French President Emmanuel Macron's personal information has been shared on social media after a photo of his health pass appeared online.

The UK has agreed to swap more than a million Covid-19 vaccine shots with South Korea in an effort to "enhance the rollout of life-saving jabs".

Nearly 40 million people in Russia - which has a population of about 146 million - have now been fully vaccinated against Covid-19, Russia's Tass news agency reports.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/CxCY6JDW/120644296-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-21sep-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/9DfvDdLp)

[MaDef]

Does that slight make you feel superior? Us children do not need your sage advice to know what the sharp end of the stick is.

Wasn't meant to be a slight, it is contempt for those of you who blindly follow "the over the top" mandates for a virus that is no more "deadly" then the common flu. Your "follow the science mandates" are starting to have a detrimental effect on society as a whole, and at this stage of the game it's becoming clear that maybe your "cure" is worse than the virus itself.

[Arlo]

Wasn't meant to be a slight, it is contempt for those of you who blindly follow "the over the top" mandates for a virus that is no more "deadly" then the common flu. Your "follow the science mandates" are starting to have a detrimental effect on society as a whole, and at this stage of the game it's becoming clear that maybe your "cure" is worse than the virus itself.

Science. Saving mankind from stupidity for over a millennia. :shucks:

[Rockstar]

Just another opinion.

https://unherd.com/thepost/prof-jay-battacharya-i-stand-by-the-great-barrington-declaration/

https://youtu.be/ucfm9LCzLFM

[mapuc]

A question
What is your own expertise in this ?

I'm not asking you to post a link to some professor that confirm your standpoint.

I have none expertise I do as our authorities say we shall do here in Denmark.

Markus

[Arlo]

https://i.imgur.com/HZUUxol.png

[AVGWarhawk]

Science. Saving mankind from stupidity for over a millennia. :shucks:

Lobotomy. Saving mankind since the probe was invented.

[Arlo]

Lobotomy. Saving mankind since the probe was invented.

Is that what started the recent anti-science craze? Those lobotomies better not be paid with tax dollars! :shucks:

[mapuc]

Is that what started the recent anti-science craze? Those lobotomies better not be paid with tax dollars! :shucks:

The correct way to lobotomize a person is via Rectum

Markus

[Arlo]

The correct way to lobotomize a person is via Rectum

Markus

Some people, I'd agree. ;)

[AVGWarhawk]

The correct way to lobotomize a person is via Rectum

Markus

Depends on your probe of choice. :har:

[AVGWarhawk]

Is that what started the recent anti-science craze? Those lobotomies better not be paid with tax dollars! :shucks:

No, those that have lobotomies have said nothing about it. In fact, they have not said anything at all. :hmmm:

[Arlo]

No, those that have lobotomies have said nothing about it. In fact, they have not said anything at all. :hmmm:

So then, a lobotomy is warranted to stop the screaming, foot stomping and spittle against science? :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

So then, a lobotomy is warranted to stop the screaming, foot stomping and spittle against science? :hmmm:

No. Your statement, "Science. Saving mankind from stupidity for over a millennia." Not all science has saved mankind from stupidity. Like lobotomy.

[Arlo]

No. Your statement, "Science. Saving mankind from stupidity for over a millennia." Not all science has saved mankind from stupidity. Like lobotomy.

I shouldn't have said 'all science' then. Oh ... wait ... :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

I shouldn't have said 'all science' then. Oh ... wait ... :shucks:

Whatever floats your Cheerios. :salute:

[mapuc]

It's when science get politics pasted on it becomes dangerous.

Like we saw in Nazi Germany.

Can't remember every word that have been said in all the documentary about Germany in the 30's and up to 45.

But many German lost their life to state controlled science.

Markus

[Arlo]

Whatever floats your Cheerios. :salute:


Milk, generally. :salute:

[Arlo]

https://i.imgur.com/HbhQB4N.png

Michael Flynn: Liberals are Planning on Putting the Vaccine in Salad Dressing

How much salad do MAGAs eat? And if one was to put some kind of vitamin or something good for MAGAs in a salad dressing, which would one pick? Definitely thousand island would be number one, there can’t be much debate about that, right? Follow that up with what? French? Ranch? That’s a tougher one. Why would they even bother and just put it in ketchup, cover all bases?

It actually doesn’t matter because the “healthy thing” that liberals would prefer to see injected into MAGA bodies is a vaccine, which is made up of mRNA, genome type material, the type of stuff that doesn’t survive five seconds within the acid of one’s stomach. This is easily proven because when receiving the vaccine, someone gets a jab, with a needle and not a spinach-walnut-gouda cheese toss with raspberry vinaigrette. To be honest, given the lines some of us experienced in getting the vaccine, we’d take the jab even if offered a wonderful salad.

Mike Flynn was once a three-star general in the United States army. Those of us who have never served in the military (not brave enough) almost surely cannot appreciate how much responsibility goes along with carrying three stars on one’s shoulders. They do not give them out just for job performance. It also requires stability and judgment. It appears that Mike Flynn has lost the requisite judgement so much so that he cannot determine whether salad dressing is a threat to MAGAs everywhere:

“Somebody sent me a thing this morning where they’re talking about putting the vaccine in salad dressing. Have you seen this? I mean, I’m thinking to myself, this is the bizarro World, right? This is definitely the bizarro world. These people are seriously thinking about how to impose their will on us in our society, and it has to stop.” – Former Trump National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, speaking yesterday on a QAnon podcast.

https://www.politicalflare.com/2021/09/michael-flynn-liberals-are-planning-on-putting-the-vaccine-in-salad-dressing/?fbclid=IwAR1TXrWAh_SsjSrA0PEAVYS4f2OCvbWpkdVHmWuw KsxiGEbKW1UDN3FMjdA

[MaDef]

The Political Flare is a news/opinion site where we write political commentary and news analysis. I want to be clear, we are a site for Democrats, by Democrats. I am an advocacy journalist, I aggregate my stories from major news sources, and choose stories that I, as a blogger, feel my audience would be interesting in reading. Try again.

[Arlo]

Try what? Are you claiming the report to be false? :shucks:

[Skybird]

Lets play Robodoc.


https://bmjsept2021.qcovid.org/

[Skybird]

Oh, and those salad dressings: the vaccine in them is the most harmelss of all their ingredients, you better watch out for the many inflammatory omega-6 fatty acids, glucose and fructose, inhibitors, functional encymes, for these are the real dangerous things in them. :D

:O:

:haha: Maybe the vaccine helps to neutralise them. Via Borg nanobots.

[MaDef]

Try what? Are you claiming the report to be false? :shucks:

Context matters, and absent the transcript of the podcast, it deserves no consideration.

Note: The only place to find this story is on websites known for partisan political reporting.

[Arlo]

Context matters, and absent the transcript of the podcast, it deserves no consideration.

Note: The only place to find this story is on websites known for partisan political reporting.

Known for liberal reporting, I'm sure you mean. Conservatively biased sites (especially radical ones) would never share such an embarrassing story. :shucks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq_SFYzT1Qk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzVAR7BISg

https://news.yahoo.com/michael-flynn-spreads-bizarre-conspiracy-011631564.html

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckIQhGKyvd4

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/QCMK0kDc/120671289-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-23sep-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/qh977Kz7)

[AVGWarhawk]

Known for liberal reporting, I'm sure you mean. Conservatively biased sites (especially radical ones) would never share such an embarrassing story. :shucks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq_SFYzT1Qk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzVAR7BISg

https://news.yahoo.com/michael-flynn-spreads-bizarre-conspiracy-011631564.html


This potentially means the vaccine could end up in your Cheerios and milk.:shucks:

[Arlo]

This potentially means the vaccine could end up in your Cheerios and milk.:shucks:

Well, I am looking forward to a booster since the original shots are out of your system within approximately 48 hours of injection (leaving behind a 5g chip .... I mean anti-bodies more capable of dealing with the virus). Maybe the vaccine will be put in my Wheaties and beer?:shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, I am looking forward to a booster since the original shots are out of your system within approximately 48 hours of injection (leaving behind a 5g chip .... I mean anti-bodies more capable of dealing with the virus). Maybe the vaccine will be put in my Wheaties and beer?:shucks:

I thought the jury was still out on boosters. As you know many have not gotten the vaccine, contacted the virus and survived. This then provides natural immunity to some extent. Shouldn't herd immunity be reached eventually?

[Arlo]

I thought the jury was still out on boosters. As you know many have not gotten the vaccine, contacted the virus and survived. This then provides natural immunity to some extent. Shouldn't herd immunity be reached eventually?

I don't know of a single instance of the population achieving herd immunity without the assistance of vaccines. (*ShruG* I could be wrong but I've seen no historical proof, so far.)

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/07/24/894148860/without-a-vaccine-researchers-say-herd-immunity-may-never-be-achieved

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't know of a single instance of the population achieving herd immunity without the assistance of vaccines. (*ShruG* I could be wrong but I've seen no historical proof, so far.)

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/07/24/894148860/without-a-vaccine-researchers-say-herd-immunity-may-never-be-achieved

There is the assistance of vaccine in this case. I have read that those who have had COVID have a better immunity than those with the vaccine. Logically we can believe that both vaccine and natural immunity will produce herd immunity? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

There is the assistance of vaccine in this case. I have read that those who have had COVID have a better immunity than those with the vaccine. Logically we can believe that both vaccine and natural immunity will produce herd immunity? :hmmm:

Not if the bugga keeps mutating Chris.

[AVGWarhawk]

Not if the bugga keeps mutating Chris.

Then the vaccine will not create herd immunity. It will help those recover quickly. I'm still firm in my stance we will need to learn to live with this virus. Herd immunity was never in the cards.

[Arlo]

There is the assistance of vaccine in this case. I have read that those who have had COVID have a better immunity than those with the vaccine. Logically we can believe that both vaccine and natural immunity will produce herd immunity? :hmmm:

Not so much, methinks. :hmmm:

"The percentage of the population that needs to be immune to attain herd immunity varies by disease and how contagious that disease is. Measles, for example, spreads so easily that an estimated 95% of a population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. In turn, the remaining 5% have protection because, at 95% coverage, measles will no longer spread. For polio, the threshold is about 80%."

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/herd-immunity

[Jimbuna]

Then the vaccine will not create herd immunity. It will help those recover quickly. I'm still firm in my stance we will need to learn to live with this virus. Herd immunity was never in the cards.

Pretty much my thinking as well :yep:

[Arlo]

Then the vaccine will not create herd immunity. It will help those recover quickly. I'm still firm in my stance we will need to learn to live with this virus. Herd immunity was never in the cards.

There's a difference between vaccines and therapeutic drugs. Learning to live with something requires living. The effects of long Covid are still being studied. All prior vaccine experiences indicate that an effective vaccine will be needed to stop the spread and that stopping the spread will make this 'livable.' :shucks:

I, personally, am not ready to accept a dystopian future just because I got tired of fighting the good fight. :)

[AVGWarhawk]

Not so much, methinks. :hmmm:

"The percentage of the population that needs to be immune to attain herd immunity varies by disease and how contagious that disease is. Measles, for example, spreads so easily that an estimated 95% of a population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. In turn, the remaining 5% have protection because, at 95% coverage, measles will no longer spread. For polio, the threshold is about 80%."

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/herd-immunity

I see. But as Jim pointed out, mutations are the undoing of immunity. We need to leave polio out of the picture. Only humans carry polio. COVID can be carried by animals. Lions in the San Diego Zoo have tested positive for COVID. That is another wrench in the monkey for COVID.

[Jimbuna]

I see. But as Jim pointed out, mutations are the undoing of immunity. We need to leave polio out of the picture. Only humans carry polio. COVID can be carried by animals. Lions in the San Diego Zoo have tested positive for COVID. That is another wrench in the monkey for COVID.

Not forgetting household pets as well.

[AVGWarhawk]

There's a difference between vaccines and therapeutic drugs. Learning to live with something requires living. The effects of long Covid are still being studied. All prior vaccine experiences indicate that an effective vaccine will be needed to stop the spread and that stopping the spread will make this 'livable.' :shucks:

I, personally, am not ready to accept a dystopian future just because I got tired of fighting the good fight. :)

Three in my office had COVID. Been over a year since they had it. No long lasting affects.

[AVGWarhawk]

Not forgetting household pets as well.

Or a bat! :o

[Jimbuna]

Or a bat! :o

I thought Batman was a goodie :03:

[mapuc]

This is why it's important to get vaccinated if you work with elderly or sick/weak people.

12 Elderly at a care home in Sweden has died from Covid-19 symptoms. 11 of them was fully vaccinated. They were infected by an employee who was unvaccinated and walked between sections.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I thought Batman was a goodie :03:

He is. Robin is the issue. :haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

This is why it's important to get vaccinated if you work with elderly or sick/weak people.

12 Elderly at a care home in Sweden has died from Covid-19 symptoms. 11 of them was fully vaccinated. They were infected by an employee who was unvaccinated and walked between sections.

Markus

It has been found that the vaccinated can carry the vaccine without any symptoms or some symptoms. This due to mutations. I think widely available tests should be available. People who work in specific places like a elderly care home should be tested dial?

[Rockstar]

From spewing the pseudo science of spitting on mirrors, colored marbles, religious philosophy and how only white Republicans are anti-vaxxers. The Covidian Cult has been proven wrong again.

https://youtu.be/g7_arLNg40o

https://youtu.be/s4jhICpxtec

Seems they only expect everyone else to follow their mandates. As the old saying goes “do as I say, not as I do”.

[AVGWarhawk]

From spewing the pseudo science of spitting on mirrors, colored marbles, religious philosophy and how only white Republicans are anti-vaxxers. The Covidian Cult has been proven wrong again.


Seems they only expect everyone else to follow their mandates. As the old saying goes “do as I say, not as I do”.

It's well known the virus has political affiliations. Ask any democrat.

[Arlo]

It's well known the virus has political affiliations. Ask any democrat.

I know you know better than that. :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

I know you know better than that. :shucks:

Of course! :har: But, we can't turn a blind eye to the declared super spreader events knows as Trump rallies. Yet a riot was deemed safe. And the wealthy galas where none wear a mask but the hired help does.

[Arlo]

Of course! :har: But, we can't turn a blind eye to the declared super spreader events knows as Trump rallies. Yet a riot was deemed safe. And the wealthy galas where none wear a mask but the hired help does.

It's almost as if vaccinations don't exist. :03::shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

It's almost as if vaccinations don't exist. :03::shucks:

The vaccine was not available during the rallies and riots. Google search the following: riots super spreader event and this what you find. Nothing noting any riots for Floyd or Seattle. Hmmmm......:hmmm:

A Riot Amid a Pandemic: Did the Virus, Too, Storm the Capitol?https://www.nytimes.com › 2021/01/07 › health › corona...
Jan 7, 2021 — Some scientists fear that the mayhem on Capitol Hill may prove to have been a so-called super-spreading event.

Was the US Capitol Riot a Coronavirus Superspreader Event?https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics
Jan 11, 2021 — WASHINGTON — A grim reality has begun to dawn on Capitol Hill: The riot on Wednesday may have started a coronavirus superspreader event, ...

COVID-19 cases in the Capitol are only the tip of the iceberghttps://www.theverge.com › capitol-riot-covid-cases-su...
Jan 19, 2021 — The Capitol riots were likely a superspreader event for COVID-19. Many rioters did not wear masks and did not stay distanced, increasing the ...

Capitol Hill riot could prove to be COVID-19 superspreader ...https://abcnews.go.com › Health › story
Jan 9, 2021 — Capitol Hill riot could prove to be COVID-19 superspreader event, experts say. Thousands of unmasked rioters flouted public health ...

Was the Capitol riot a COVID-19 superspreader event? | TheHillhttps://thehill.com › well-being › prevention-cures › 53...
Jan 7, 2021 — Some experts say it could have been a superspreader event. On Jan. 6, pro-

If don't see a bias I don't know what to tell you.

[Arlo]

If don't see a bias I don't know what to tell you.

Super spreaders are super spreaders. The virus has no bias. Obvious is obvious. :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

Super spreaders are super spreaders. The virus has no bias. Obvious is obvious. :shucks:

You missed the forest for the trees.

[Arlo]

You missed the forest for the trees.

I noticed a fake forest being planted. :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

I noticed a fake forest being planted. :shucks:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Horses_2.jpg

[Arlo]

Even the horses are being radicalized by the right now? :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

Even the horses are being radicalized by the right now? :shucks:

Funny how some interpret pictures. :doh:

[Arlo]

Funny how some interpret pictures. :doh:

Very much my point, entirely. :D

[MaDef]

Funny how some interpret pictures. :doh:
This surprises you? most can't tell a whip from bridle reins, and You expect them to know what blinders are for?

[mapuc]

I lack imagination, that's why I wonder what the picture is supposed to tell us.

The only thing that comes into my mind is narrowminded.

Markus

[Arlo]

This surprises you? most can't tell a whip from bridle reins, and You expect them to know what blinders are for?

You saw a confusion about blinders? Interesting. :03:

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/QtRy2WcP/120685578-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-24sep-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/cgBhYC9M)

[AVGWarhawk]

You saw a confusion about blinders? Interesting. :03:

No. You did not see Budweiser in your minds eye when you first looked at the picture? I did. :Kaleun_Cheers:

[Arlo]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/X8WOWvMQIy3dMbf7IL/giphy.gifhttps://media1.giphy.com/media/X8WOWvMQIy3dMbf7IL/giphy.gif

[AVGWarhawk]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/X8WOWvMQIy3dMbf7IL/giphy.gifhttps://media1.giphy.com/media/X8WOWvMQIy3dMbf7IL/giphy.gif


:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

[MaDef]

You saw a confusion about blinders? Interesting. :03:

it is confusion in your deliberate misinterpretation of the pic. No intelligent people I know would do that.

[Arlo]

it is confusion in your deliberate misinterpretation of the pic. No intelligent people I know would do that.

I'm not one to complain, Def. :shucks:

[Dowly]

From spewing the pseudo science of spitting on mirrors
That is an experiment you can do yourself, any time you want.


Ok, I make it easier for you since you are obviously an anti-masker. Replace mask in my original post with your own hand. Report back.

[em2nought]

Coming soon to a border near you. :har:



https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2017/03/6068dd200535b55f-600x338.jpg

[Buddahaid]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Horses_2.jpg

Are those Haas horses?

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vsp5DJtsXM

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8yZ4usdr4Y

[Rockstar]

The religion and pseudo science of the Covidian Cult starting to fall apart. Immunity? Comparing covid 19 vaccines to polio? boosters?

https://youtu.be/wxTZ_DKARzQ

[Skybird]

Sigh.


More than a million Israelis who qualify to be vaccinated have not yet gotten the coronavirus vaccine. That includes about 110,000 people 60 and over, and about 90,000 between the ages of 50 and 59.
People’s reluctance to get vaccinated (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-israelis-don-t-want-to-get-vaccinated-they-should-constantly-get-tested-1.10238565) comes despite the fact that the clear majority of seriously ill COVID-19 hospital patients have not gotten the vaccine. That’s particularly true now after the booster shot, has provided even greater protection to Israelis at risk.https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-serious-covid-patients-in-israel-they-re-unvaccinated-and-middle-aged-1.10241619

Unvaccinated Israelis are putting a strain on hospitals, Nachman Ash, the Health Ministry's coronavirus director-general said Thursday, as official figures showed that the 17 percent of eligible Israelis who have not received the vaccine account for 60 percent of coronavirus deaths in the past two weeks.
"Illness today is mainly among the unvaccinated, [and] they are straining the hospitals," Ash said. The strain is mainly felt by medical workers, he said – specifically, those working in emergency wards.
https://img.haarets.co.il/img/1.10231984/3906328263.jpeg?precrop=751,563,x0,y102&height=438&width=570
https://img.haarets.co.il/img/1.10231984/3906328263.jpeg?precrop=751,563,x0,y102&height=438&width=570
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-s-covid-czar-says-17-unvaccinated-a-strain-on-hospitals-1.10234830

[Arlo]

Sigh.


Let the Irish handle this.

How best to persuade people who do not accept scientific consensus:
Since emotion plays a large part in motivating those who reject the consensus, then science communicators should also use emotion in making their case. (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/how-best-to-persuade-people-who-do-not-accept-scientific-consensus-1.3285873)

[MaDef]

When are the Fauci-ites going to realize there is no putting the Covid-19 genie back in the bottle?

[Arlo]

When are the Fauci-ites going to realize there is no putting the Covid-19 genie back in the bottle?

Preventing the spread of a virus is actually important. Embracing the spread is death cultish. People knew this not so long ago. :shucks:

[Skybird]

Its also about reducing the opportunties and time the virus can test new mutations. Delta and Mu both formed up in countries with very poor vaccination rates.



It also illustrates why it is important to get the rest of the world jabbed, too. Else we live on an isolated vaccination paradise, and new mutations get delivered to us for free endlessly from the world outside, by global travel and migration.

[MaDef]

Preventing the spread of a virus is actually important. You missed the boat, that ship sailed back in Nov-Dec 2019.

You need to realize covid-19 has gone world wide, has a low mortality rate (on par with the common flue & it's variants), and there are effective vaccines available. So, no, Chicken Little, the sky is not falling.

[AVGWarhawk]

Its also about reducing the opportunties and time the virus can test new mutations. Delta and Mu both formed up in countries with very poor vaccination rates.



It also illustrates why it is important to get the rest of the world jabbed, too. Else we live on an isolated vaccination paradise, and new mutations get delivered to us for free endlessly from the world outside, by global travel and migration.

The virus is going to mutate no matter the vaccination rate or not.

[Rockstar]

Sigh.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-serious-covid-patients-in-israel-they-re-unvaccinated-and-middle-aged-1.10241619
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-s-covid-czar-says-17-unvaccinated-a-strain-on-hospitals-1.10234830

Look at those statistics, but so what, it proves absolutely nothing other than who is vaccinated and who isn’t. It’s quite clear to everyone except the quackery of Covidian Cult pseudo science the majority of infections are of the vaccinated population. Even our own study in Massachusetts determined 60% new infections were fully vaccinated and 4 out of five people hospitalized for COVID were fully vaccinated.

We have also learned that natural immunity seems to provide a better defense against future infections. I think the better question would be how many of those 1,000,000 have already had the virus and beaten it through natural immunity, anyone know?

[Skybird]

The virus is going to mutate no matter the vaccination rate or not.
Yes. But the more opportunities where it can test its latest tricks, the faster it reaches a new dangerous result.



It slike with a dog wioth rabbies in youir neighbourhood. The longer time you let it run around, the greater the chance becomes that sooner or later something bad happens. Thats why you have the police take it out.

[Skybird]

Look at those statistics, but so what, it proves absolutely nothing other than who is vaccinated and who isn’t. It’s quite clear to everyone except the quackery of Covidian Cult pseudo science the majority of infections are of the vaccinated population. Even our own study in Massachusetts determined 60% new infections were fully vaccinated and 4 out of five people hospitalized for COVID were fully vaccinated.

We have also learned that natural immunity seems to provide a better defense against future infections. I think the better question would be how many of those 1,000,000 have already had the virus and beaten it through natural immunity, anyone know?
You cna get infected when being vaccinated.


BUT YOU DO NOT DIE FROM IT AND YOU HAVE A SEVERAL FACTORS SMALLER CHANCE TO END UP IN ICU.



Most people in Isralei hostials, are unvaccinated. Same here in Germany. In Germany the oanedmci is a desease now of the unvaccnated. Its the unvbacicnated that are in hopsital becasue they are so ba doff that they mist go there.


For myself I must not care to be infected or not if the infection has no consequences for me and I am not limited in any way, or have just mildest symptoms. I only care for not spreading the infeciton around. To my parents, for example, who are old and unvaccinated and handicapped with their health.



You understand the difference between being ill and just staying home and have some rest and maybe not even realising you are ill, and being so heavily ill that you must get hospitalized and fight for your life, you understand that difference, yes...? :stare:

[Catfish]

The virus is going to mutate no matter the
vaccination rate or not.
Yes. [...]
No. If the virus cannot replicate due to vaccinations, it cannot mutate as well.

[AVGWarhawk]

Are those Haas horses?

No. Brown horses.

[AVGWarhawk]

No. If the virus cannot replicate due to vaccinations, it cannot mutate as well.

Do we know if the virus can not duplicate in a host that is vaccinated? Also, COVID is carried by animals. It will always have an avenue for mutating.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes. But the more opportunities where it can test its latest tricks, the faster it reaches a new dangerous result.



It slike with a dog wioth rabbies in youir neighbourhood. The longer time you let it run around, the greater the chance becomes that sooner or later something bad happens. Thats why you have the police take it out.

Since you brought up rabid animals, COVID is carried by animals. There will always be an opportunity for the virus to mutate.

[August]

No. Brown horses.


I didn't know Haas actually made horses too. I thought they just made bridles and other harness stuff.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBaIRm4610o