Wuhan virus 2020

[Dowly]

Even our own study in Massachusetts determined 60% new infections were fully vaccinated and 4 out of five people hospitalized for COVID were fully vaccinated.Please, do share.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/Y2hyXzLb/120712777-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-27sep-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/5jW3yv3C)

[Rockstar]

Please, do share.

I have, earlier. It was conducted in Barnstable, Mass. If I remember correctly they had basically a zero case load until officials opened up for summer tourism and fun in the sun. After which cases jumped and they found of those surveyed 60% of infected were people that were fully the vaccinated and 4 out of the five hospitalized due to COVID were also fully vaccinated. No deaths were reported.

[Jimbuna]

^ Which suggests vaccination whilst not being a cure certainly lessens the impact on the individual and helps them toward recovery.

[Rockstar]

^ Which suggests vaccination whilst not being a cure certainly lessens the impact on the individual and helps them toward recovery.

Yes but let’s not forget the hospitalized person in that report who was not vaccinated didn’t die either. Nor did the remaining unvaccinated 40%.

This is my take after reading the report.

60% of the infected surveyed were fully vaccinated.
4 fully vaccinated persons hospitalized due to COVID
40% of the infected surveyed partially or unvaccinated. (Who now have antibodies from natural immunity)
1 partially/unvaccinated persons hospitalized due to COVID (Who also now have antibodies from natural immunity)

No reported deaths in either group.

What would that suggest? Let me guess MANDATES! MASKS! FORCED VACCINATION PROGRAMS! VACCINE PASSPORTS! MORE BOOSTERS!

[em2nought]

What would that suggest? Let me guess MANDATES! MASKS! FORCED VACCINATION PROGRAMS! VACCINE PASSPORTS! MORE BOOSTERS!


More gain of function research, more "accidents"! :D

[Rockstar]

I’m all for gain of function research. It’s real science and as we all know real science always has our best interests in mind, it’s for the benefit of humanity for cryin out loud. That’s why they do gain of function research because they love their neighbors and care about the elderly. Those are perfect reasons to restart gain of function research in the U.S. again. Enough of this now, there’s more important things to think about anyway.

[AVGWarhawk]

I didn't know Haas actually made horses too. I thought they just made bridles and other harness stuff.

Capitalism at work. Kind of like mask sales.

[August]

Capitalism at work. Kind of like mask sales.


When you think about it, yeah.

[Arlo]

You anti-capitalists. :shucks:

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/cJYw9p9Z/120739732-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-29sep-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/KKG14Hhs)

[MaDef]

Mortality rate continues to remain under 2% I see.

[Arlo]

Mortality rate continues to remain under 2% I see.

You don't care, I see. :shucks:

[Rockstar]

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[MaDef]

You don't care, I see. :shucks:
No I don't care to jump on the germaphobia bandwagon. When the mortality rate reaches the level of SARS or MERS I'll show a little more concern. Until then you're just "Whistling Dixie".

[Sean C]

We were all told we needed to get a vaccine back in 1976, too. What really surprises me about what is happening now is how quickly a large portion of the population went from being anti-"big pharma" to claiming they were our only hope for survival. I mean, surely they wouldn't simply be trying to profit off of us ... anymore ... would they? :hmmm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bOHYZhL0WQ


NB: I am still not saying the vaccines don't work.

[Jimbuna]

A total of 191,771 people tested positive for Covid in England in the week to 22 September, a rise of 18% on the week before.

The UK's furlough scheme, which has helped pay the wages of 11.6 million workers, ends but some struggling sectors say it should go on.

The government announces a £500m Household Support Fund - grants for people facing difficulties with essentials like food and utility bills.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak says it "will provide a lifeline for those at risk of struggling to keep up with their bills over the winter"

Scotland's vaccine passport scheme starts tomorrow as planned after a judge refused a legal challenge from nightclubs seeking to delay it.

The volume of face-to-face GP consultations in England has changed little since the winter lockdown, latest data shows.

Just 58% patients were seen face-to-face in August, only slightly higher than in January - before the pandemic it was 80%

GCSE and A-level grades will be returned to pre-Covid levels over the next two years, the government says.

[Rockstar]

Oh oh the left’s worst nightmare a black man with an educated opinion.

https://youtu.be/fjLn_zCnjjA

[Dowly]

Oh oh the left’s worst nightmare a black man with an educated opinion.
"Projection, the mental process by which people attribute to others what is in their own minds."

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/28yjsfwn/Maite-Perroni.png (https://postimg.cc/Tp8XbFBP)

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgVsd6qoyU4

[Skybird]

Has hand-made (=prof.) English subtitles.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeVD3WPpxmc

[Skybird]

Again, English subtitles are build in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGiCuoxY_7I

[Skybird]

From Germany.


19 months without a break: exhausted doctors and nurses also fight against their own anger. In the AZ interview, Dr. Thomas Felbinger, chief physician of the intensive care unit at Munich Clinic Neuperlach, on everyday hospital life.

Outside, life feels much more normal for most of the people. But in the clinics, doctors and nurses are still fighting day after day for the lives of seriously ill Covid patients. Thomas Felbinger, chief physician of the intensive care unit at Munich Clinic Neuperlach, sometimes feels anger and incomprehension.

AZ:
Dr. Felbinger, we are in the fourth wave. What is different about you in the intensive care unit today compared to previous waves?

Thomas Felbinger:
In percentage terms, we have a lot more difficult courses. We can no longer care for as many patients at the same time as in the first two waves. And the doctors and nurses are significantly more exhausted, the team has become smaller.

Why is that?:

Felbinger:
In the first and second waves we had a lot of volunteers - most of them have since left us and have returned to their original professions. And while we focused almost exclusively on Corona in the first wave and only dealt with emergencies, we are now trying to maintain normal operation in parallel and catch up on interventions that have been postponed. All of this without a break and relaxation.

And it is to be feared that the numbers will rise again in the cold season, right?:

Felbinger:
I am not an epidemiologist, but we fear that more unvaccinated people will be infected again when it gets colder and people move closer together in closed rooms.

What is the difference between the patients who are now in intensive care units and those who came in the first wave?


Felbinger:
Our patients are much younger today. Most of them are 45 to 60 years old, we don't even see older ones, as most of them are protected by a vaccination. Another thing is that the disease processes are very long.

Why are they longer?:

Felbinger:
That is due to the young age of the patients. They have more muscle strength and therefore often come to the clinic later. There they fight longer with the virus. And we about them.

Do pre-existing illnesses still play a major role?

Felbinger:
Obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes play a role in around half of them. But the others have no previous illnesses.

How long do your patients stay on average?

Felbinger:
Most of them ten to 14 weeks, they are ventilated invasively. Then there is the time in the normal ward and then a rehab.


Do you also have patients who, despite being vaccinated, have severe disease progression?

Felbinger:
No, we did not have a single breakthrough vaccination in any of the intensive care units at the Munich Clinic. Our patients are all unvaccinated.

And on the normal ward?

Felbinger:
We had about a quarter of our vaccination breakthroughs there. These are mostly patients who have to take drugs that suppress the immune system.

Do you sometimes feel incomprehensible or even angry when people become so seriously ill or even die, although a vaccination could have prevented that?

Felbinger:
I do not understand. And I also feel anger. Not against patients, but against vaccine opponents. We have a vaccine that clearly prevents a severe course.

Can you find out why your patients didn't go to the vaccination?

Felbinger:
Yes, we have already found out. There are many reasons. In the majority, fear of supposed side effects is the dominant factor. In part, it's also ignorance. In rare cases we also have anti-vaccination agents.

What were these patients afraid of?

Felbinger:
There is a persistent rumor among young women that the vaccination would make them sterile, which is nonsense. There is also a myth that vaccination could make young men impotent. That is also wrong. One can only appeal to everyone: get vaccinated! The benefit of the vaccination outweighs the risk many times over.

https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/coronavirus/thomas-felbinger-intensivmediziner-der-muenchen-klinik-unsere-patienten-sind-ungeimpft_id_24295331.html

[Rockstar]

https://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/September-2021/end-game-forced-vaccination.aspx


Weaponizing a Virus and A Vaccine Against the People

This virus, which has a 99 percent survival rate, and this leaky vaccine, which fails to reliably prevent infection and transmission in the fully vaccinated, has racked up a record breaking more than half a million vaccine adverse event reports in the U.S. alone. It will not be the last virus and vaccine to be weaponized against the people in the name of the greater good.

That is because forced vaccination is the tip of the spear in a culture war that has been going on for much longer than the 40 years that I have been a vaccine safety and human rights activist publicly warning that this day would come. It is a war that will cause more suffering until enough of us refuse to be siloed and, instead, join together to change dangerous laws that abuse the trust and good will of the people.

Every single American, whether you have been vaccinated or not, should stop to reflect upon what is happening in our country. Think about what liberty means.

Imagine What Life Will Be Like in the Future

Imagine what life will be like in the future if you cannot leave your home without being harnessed to a government issued digital ID, which contains personal information about your body and your life, and is hooked up to an electronic surveillance system that records and controls every move you make.

Imagine if you are a health care worker and your medical license is taken from you for refusing to get a government mandated vaccine, which is a public health policy being implemented in Washington, DC, a city where doctors can now vaccinate children as young as 11 years old without the knowledge or consent of their parents.

Imagine if you cannot hold any type of job or enter a grocery store to buy food to feed your family, or enter a drug store, cafe, gym, school, cinema, museum, park or beach without showing proof you’ve been vaccinated.

Vaccine Injured
Imagine if you are denied entrance to a doctor’s office or lose your Medicare and social security benefits because you don’t have the vaccine passport, a suggestion made recently on national television.

Imagine if you cannot get on a plane or bus to visit your children or elderly parents because federal government officials have exercised authority over inter-state commerce and banned the unvaccinated from crossing state borders, an action that some proponents of forced vaccination are urging the current administration to invoke.

Imagine if you cannot get a driver’s license, file your taxes, open or access your bank account or use a credit card to make a purchase if you fail to produce the required vaccine paperwork stamped by the government.

Imagine if you or your child have already suffered a previous serious vaccine reaction or have an underlying inflammatory immune disorder that increases your risk for being harmed by vaccination, but doctors refuse to see you because you are unvaccinated - which is already happening in America – and you are denied admission to a hospital for a life saving operation.

… You, your children and grandchildren are the commodity, and in the name of the greater good, you are expected to obediently allow others to “reset” your lives in all kinds of ways without making a sound.

The government issued passport allowing you to function in society, is just the first step on the slippery slope to what will be many more requirements and restrictions on your freedom in the days, months and years to come.

[mapuc]

In Sweden the doctors/scientist will find out why elderly who are fully vaccinated are more likely to get infected despite their vaccine.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Skybird nothing against you when I say this but that article is absolutely meaningless.

It offers nothing no statistics, nothing what little is said is about ONE city.

Over here according to CDC we had 1,470 deaths in seven days. Out of 350 MILLION we had an average of 202 deaths a day. We have more bicycle accident related deaths than do from COVID.

Party politics are at play now, long live the Party.

[Arlo]

Skybird nothing against you when I say this but that article is absolutely meaningless.

It offers nothing no statistics, nothing what little is said is about ONE city.

Over here according to CDC we had 1,470 deaths in seven days. Out of 350 MILLION we had an average of 202 deaths a day. We have more bicycle accident related deaths than do from COVID.

You defend Covid like its your very own child or like its you're a defense attorney and its your client. Gotta love that Covid, I guess. :shucks:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt7T-26qQH8

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bamaEMftg4

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/xdZ7jRsd/120794395-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-02oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/mcQV8QWx)

[mapuc]

I think this expert was right when he said that you can't compare Corona with lifestyle sickness/diseases.

And can you compare this Corona with how many die in the traffic ?

Markus

[Rockstar]

202 deaths per day.

Compared to reported adverse side effects and deaths attributed to a vaccine.

Compared to authoritarian mandates for vaccines approved only under emergency use act. Which leaves no legal option for problems later down the road.

Compared to financial loses for those who lose their jobs because didn’t follow the mandates of politicians playing doctor.

Dividing a country even further by political party. Long live the party, long live Oceania.

Compared to doctors refusing to treat people unless they’re vaccinated..

Compared to a 99% survival rate.



Do as your told

[mapuc]

Someone mentioned this vaccine as the Mark of the beast.

I'm not that much into religion that I can say he's right or he's wrong.

Markus

[Skybird]

Skybird nothing against you when I say this but that article is absolutely meaningless.

It offers nothing no statistics, nothing what little is said is about ONE city.

Over here according to CDC we had 1,470 deaths in seven days. Out of 350 MILLION we had an average of 202 deaths a day. We have more bicycle accident related deaths than do from COVID.

Party politics are at play now, long live the Party.
I said it before. In other hospitals across Germany, its the same. No or almost no vaccinated in ICUs. People who get it really badly and are in ICU, are across all ages 18-80, and 9 out of 10 if not more are unvaccinated.

The jab works. It reduces significantly, very severly the risk of getting the desease really badly, so baldy that you would need to go into ICU.

I think the practical experience of two years now of the chief physician of a huge medical centre in one of Germany's major cities, is very relevant. Even more since he is not the only practically working health specialist saying this.

BTW, in my hometown here in Münster some days ago the local press said the same. We have one of the most well-known university hospitals in all of Germany, the UKM. In several medicla fields it is of internaitonal fame, patoents come from across all Europe, sometimes the world. They say, since some time now: no vaccinated people in our ICUs. We have less severe cases of vaccinated in hospital, but not in ICU.



Different to the national trend, incidence rate is going down here in Münster anyway. Why? Above-average vaccination quota. The jab may not prevent iof necitons completely, but it pishes the rate down a bit. Its key job however is to prevent really serious cases. And that it does very, very, well.


What do i care for an infection anymore if it does not affect me much? I sneeze, thats all. So to speak. I may even benefit from it, if under the protection of the vaccine I get an infecion and form additional natural immunity. The empiral data is moutning that this maybe has a muich stronger, by many factors stronger immunization effect than a thord boost jab.



If somebody now thinks he must get the infection without getting vaccinated first, well, so be it, I cannot help every stupid around. Above I said: getting the infeciton under the protectiove umbrella of beign vaccinated. Because the vaccination helps to prevent getting a really heavy go with the virus, so serious that I end up in ICU.



I recall to hav ered a study soem days ago where they said that natural immunization gained this way maybe is up to 23 stronger than a third booster jab.

[Rockstar]

We only have a little over half of our population fully vaccinated and deaths have dropped to 202 per day. Seem like natural immunity is a wonderful thing.

What is really beginning to irritate the hell out of me are mandates which doesn’t have any scientific foundation. Instead it’s right down political party lines

[Arlo]

Dividing a country even further by political party. Long live the party, long live Oceania.


Party division is now a virus' fault. George Orwell, you didn't foresee the slightest, it seems. :shucks:

[Arlo]

We only a fraction over half of our population fully vaccinated and deaths have dropped to 202 per day.

Natural immunity is a wonderful thing. But what is really beginning to irritate the hell out of me is the divided over mandates doesn’t have any scientific foundation. Instead it’s right down political party lines.

Its the virus' fault! :shucks:

[Skybird]

Someone mentioned this vaccine as the Mark of the beast.

I'm not that much into religion that I can say he's right or he's wrong.

Markus
You can. It needs not knowledge, but reason only.

[Skybird]

We only have a little over half of our population fully vaccinated and deaths have dropped to 202 per day. Seem like natural immunity is a wonderful thing.

Seems the little you did still causes an effect.

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/nw08zWJQ2m8

[August]

Someone mentioned this vaccine as the Mark of the beast.

I'm not that much into religion that I can say he's right or he's wrong.

Markus


Well if it is then ain't it in the wrong spot? Never heard of anyone getting the poke in the forehead.

[Rockstar]

Seems the little you did still causes an effect.

Maybe, maybe not. Remember the one study here in the U.S. which estimated 49% of our population had anti-bodies. But only 16% had been vaccinated?

That was in May, so it also seems natural immunity was in play long before the Covidian Cult and our homegrown mandate nazis showed up.

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/qnMjFy0OAjM

[Jimbuna]

Number of novel coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths worldwide as of October 1, 2021, by country.

https://i.postimg.cc/ht6ktWbH/Untitled22.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bZ0Cm55T)

These are the 27 worst hit.

Grim reading indeed.

[Rockstar]

More on censoring information with misinformation. Democrats, the largest group in the U. S. ever to be duped by conspiracy theories.

https://youtu.be/EBejhtjVrLE

[Rockstar]

Number of novel coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths worldwide as of October 1, 2021, by country.

These are the 27 worst hit.

Grim reading indeed.


You keep denying who is at the top of the list.

# 1 and still leading the globe in total deaths is the European Union with a whopping 768 681 deaths

Source is from the E.U. CDC

[mapuc]

These conspiracy believers or supporters, what kind of medical education do they have ?

The people they use as prove they are correct, what kind of expertise in medicin does these people have ?

Markus

[mapuc]

You keep denying who is at the top of the list.

# 1 and still leading the globe in total deaths is the European Union with a whopping 768 681 deaths

Source is from the E.U. CDC

Can you use say it is so ?

Yes we have an Union, but this union consist of many free countries here in Europe. Denmark and Sweden has their own law, their own flag and their own border. Some of us is a member in something called Schengen.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Can you use say it is so ?

Yes we have an Union, but this union consist of many free countries here in Europe. Denmark and Sweden has their own law, their own flag and their own border. Some of us is a member in something called Schengen.

Markus

The exact same thing can be said of our Union. We have free states each with their own flag, borders and own laws too

[Jimbuna]

You keep denying who is at the top of the list.

# 1 and still leading the globe in total deaths is the European Union with a whopping 768 681 deaths

Source is from the E.U. CDC

I keep denying nothing. The EU/EAA is a combination of 29 independent sovereign countries.

The figure you quote is quite correct and to the best of my knowledge doesn't include the 136,000 deaths in the UK but if we are intent on lumping countries together the combined number of US/Mexican/Brazil/Canada etc. is well in excess of one million.

[August]

These conspiracy believers or supporters, what kind of medical education do they have ?

The people they use as prove they are correct, what kind of expertise in medicin does these people have ?

Markus


Since you're generalizing about a large and diverse group i'd say their education ranges from should-have-paid-more-attention in high school science class right up to folks holding medical degrees. Does implying that they are all ignorant peasants make it easier for you?

[Rockstar]

I keep denying nothing. The EU/EAA is a combination of 29 independent sovereign countries.

The figure you quote is quite correct and to the best of my knowledge doesn't include the 136,000 deaths in the UK but if we are intent on lumping countries together the combined number of US/Mexican/Brazil/Canada etc. is well in excess of one million.

But I’m not the one lumping things together. The European Union’s own Center for Disease Control did. I even provided a link. I’m just the messenger. :)

[Jimbuna]

But I’m not the one lumping things together. The European Union’s own Center for Disease Control did. I even provided a link. I’m just the messenger. :)

So here is my link https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/

[August]

I keep denying nothing. The EU/EAA is a combination of 29 independent sovereign countries.

The figure you quote is quite correct and to the best of my knowledge doesn't include the 136,000 deaths in the UK but if we are intent on lumping countries together the combined number of US/Mexican/Brazil/Canada etc. is well in excess of one million.

Couple things. First Brazil not only does not share a border it is not even on the same continent as the US, Mexico and Canada. Including them to make your point is a bit of a stretch.

Second how many of those 29 independent sovereign countries have populations in excess of 300 million people? The reason that Rockstars grouping is valid is because Europe is made up of countries that have populations and territories the size of US states.

[Jimbuna]

Wasn't looking to make any point Dave, simply showing each country in individual terms imho gives a far clearer picture of the state (no pun intended) each one is in.

[mapuc]

Since you're generalizing about a large and diverse group i'd say their education ranges from should-have-paid-more-attention in high school science class right up to folks holding medical degrees. Does implying that they are all ignorant peasants make it easier for you?

It was not my intention to generalize.

No doubt that some of them do have an education in virology.

I should have written "Among ordinary people" Like our friends or friends friends on the social media.

I see it almost daily a friend or a friends friend share some text written a by a person who claim to have an education.

I myself does not have any education I therefore don't believe anything I only follow what our expert and our authorities tell me what I shall do and not do.

Markus

[Rockstar]

So here is my link https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/

I reckon I just prefer E.U. CDC and U.S. CDC government sources for clarity. All else is just what Trump coined as fake news and Biden says is misinformation. :03:


BTW State and Country are synonymous. According to Obama we have 57 states in our Union and the European Union has 27. Each with their own borders, flags, laws, anthems or song, and leaders.

[mapuc]

Been thinking and came to the conclusion that Rockstar is correct.

Let me give an example why.

Denmark and Sweden has lost almost 90 % of their domestic, foreign and economic policy to EU.

I guess Texas is more independent than these two countries.

Markus

[Skybird]

Focus writes:


The concern about the fourth corona wave is unfounded, says statistician Christian Hesse, and for several reasons. That applies at least to the general population. Because a dangerous trend is becoming noticeable among the unvaccinated.

It has been there for months: the great fear of the fourth wave. The concern of overcrowded hospitals. Against renewed closures and restrictions. Autumn has now begun and the figures are still at a relatively low level. Does that mean there is no fourth wave?

“That's exactly what it means,” says statistician Christian Hesse in an interview with FOCUS Online. The head of the department for mathematical statistics at the University of Stuttgart has been observing the infection process since the beginning of the pandemic and is developing models to assess its development. What
Three reasons why there is no fourth wave:

1. The incidences

"Some federal states, such as Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria, have been showing the incidences for vaccinated and unvaccinated people separately for some time," explains Hesse. “And you can see that the incidence of those who have been vaccinated is on average only 10 to 20 - in the case of the unvaccinated, however, it is ten to 15 times higher.” That the proportion of those who have been vaccinated is gradually increasing and the incidence among them is increasing stabilize at a very low level, has the effect that the nationwide incidence has been slowly falling again for around two weeks.

2. The situation in the intensive care units

Hesse makes another point. "On average, there are 20 unvaccinated patients for every vaccinated corona patient in intensive care units," he explains. "Or, to put it another way: Around 95 percent of Covid patients who are currently being treated intensively are unvaccinated." The vaccinated people are therefore not at risk of overloading the health system.

3. The deaths

What also speaks against the fact that we are dealing with or will be dealing with a fourth wave, according to Hesse, are the daily deaths. “The number of those who died from Corona has been very low and stable for weeks. It is an average of 40 per day. ”At the height of the pandemic, it was well over 1000.

“If we take these points together, we see: there is no fourth wave. Rather, we are dealing with an epidemic of the unvaccinated. "


The rate of vaccination must not decrease any further

The statistician does not know why the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) does not publish these values ​​separately, especially the incidences in vaccinated and unvaccinated people. He hopes, however, that the institute will change that in the future. Such a differentiation would reflect the infection situation much more clearly. "And it would also make it clearer to the unvaccinated what risk they are taking if they do not get vaccinated."

How important the vaccinations are will become clear, according to Hesse, with a view to the coming months. The statistician does not expect a fourth wave in autumn and winter either - under one condition: "According to my modeling, the incidence will continue to decrease - at least if our vaccination rate does not decrease any further."


Herd immunity - before spring 2022?

Federal Minister of Health Jens Spahn called again a few days ago to be vaccinated against Corona. Otherwise unvaccinated people risk infection. "Herd immunity is always achieved," said the CDU politician of the "Augsburger Allgemeine". “The only question is how: whether through vaccination or infection.” With this herd immunity, the pandemic is “overcome in spring”.

According to Hesse, this works out. “We currently have a quota of fully vaccinated people of around 64 percent across all age groups. For herd immunity, we would need 80 to 85 percent of the population to be immunized - but this value does not only refer to the vaccinations. ”This also includes those who have recovered. "And according to a new study, that is significantly more than we previously thought," emphasizes the statistician. Scientists at the Mainz University Medical Center had determined that for every ten people who were infected and had symptoms, there were eight who had not noticed anything about their infection.

“In addition to the 64 percent, there is certainly another ten to 15 percent who are immunized because of an infection,” estimates Hesse. "And then it is so that there are unfortunately many people among vaccine skeptics who are rather careless when dealing with the virus." Thus, in this group, infection also ultimately leads to immunization. "So Spahn's forecast for spring is realistic - but we will probably reach herd immunity even earlier."

[Rockstar]

https://www.aier.org/article/who-deletes-naturally-acquired-immunity-from-its-website/

… So that you will believe me, I will try to be as precise as possible. Here is the website from June 9, 2020. You can see it here on Archive.org. You have to move down the page and click on the question about herd immunity. You see the following.

What is herd immunity?

Herd immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection. This means that even people who haven't been infected, or in whom an infection hasn't triggered an immune response, they are protected because people around them who are immune can act as buffers between them and an infected person. The threshold for establishing herd immunity for COVID-19 is not yet clear.

That’s pretty darn accurate overall. Even the statement that the threshold is “not yet clear” is correct. There are cross immunities to Covid from other coronaviruses and there is T cell memory that contributes to natural immunity.

Some estimates are as low as 10%, which is a far cry from the modelled 70% estimate of virus immunity that is standard within the pharmaceutical realm. Real life is vastly more complicated than models, in economics or epidemiology. The WHO’s past statement is a solid, if “pop,” description.

However, in a screenshot dated November 13, 2020, we read the following note that somehow pretends as if human beings do not have immune systems at all but rather rely entirely on big pharma to inject things into our blood.

What is herd immunity?

'Herd immunity', also known as 'population immunity', is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached. Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it. Read the Director-General's 12 October media briefing speech for more detail.

Vaccines train our immune systems to develop antibodies, just as might happen when we are exposed to a disease but - crucially - vaccines work without making us sick. Vaccinated people are protected from getting the disease in question. Visit our webpage on COVID-19 and vaccines for more detail.

As more people in a community get vaccinated, fewer people remain vulnerable, and there is less possibility for passing the pathogen on from person to person. Lowering the possibility for a pathogen to circulate in the community protects those who cannot be vaccinated due to other serious health conditions from the disease tarted by the vaccine, This is called "herd immunity'


What this note at the World Health Organization has done is deleted what amounts to the entire million-year history of humankind in its delicate dance with pathogens. You could only gather from this that all of us are nothing but blank and unimprovable slates on which the pharmaceutical industry writes its signature.

In effect, this change at WHO ignores and even wipes out 100 years of medical advances in virology, immunology, and epidemiology. It is thoroughly unscientific – shilling for the vaccine industry in exactly the way the conspiracy theorists say that WHO has been doing since the beginning of this pandemic.

What’s even more strange is the claim that a vaccine protects people from a virus rather than exposing them to it. What’s amazing about this claim is that a vaccine works precisely by firing up the immune system through exposure. Why I had to type those words is truly beyond me. This has been known for centuries. There is simply no way for medical science completely to replace the human immune system. It can only game it via what used to be called inoculation.

[Catfish]

^ American Institute for Economic Research?

:har::haha:

[Skybird]

Hypothetical new strain -> which can evade existing immunizations -> means end of herd immunity.



Likely example: Mu. It is known to have significantly higher resistence against existing vaccines, and creates a multiple times as high virus load in the infected than earlier strains. Infected thus can infect others much more easily.



Herd immunity depends on the reproduction value of a given virus strain. With Sars-Cov-II, these vary, early strains had lower R values than later ones. Thats why the vaccination quota needed for herd immunity was calculated higher and higher, actually it must be even higher than calcuated because the calculation assumes a 100% efficiency of the vaccines, and that is not given. And this just assumes the new strain still are vulenrable for vaccination effects/immunity effects. If the viorus turns to become able to dodge existing antibody, the game starts new.



Thats why it is important to keep infectous activity in the wild as low as possible. By vaccination, which accelerates the process. The less opportunity the virus has to play around, the smaller the chance it learns a new trick to dodge existing immunization.



There are many virusses that constantly change, and for which therefore no herd immunity exists, or will ever exist.

[Skybird]

And Rockstar, that article spills over from simpyl false claims. For example that BionTech vaccine expose the immune system to the virus as if an unvaccinated person would meet the virus in the wild, by getting infected. Thats exactly how mRNA vaccines (and vector vaccines as well) DO NOT WORK. Wiuth mRNA vaccines it is no virus at all, and with vector vaccines it is deactivated (="dead") virus.

That author has not medical facts. What he has, is an agenda to mislead people and spill oil into a fire to keep it burning.

[mapuc]

False beliefs can cost your or someone near you life.

No your authorities in your country is not trying to lie to you.

Markus

[Sean C]

^ American Institute for Economic Research?

:har::haha:


If an economist told you that water is wet, would you laugh at that, too?


If the WHO changed their website, it doesn't really matter who points it out. Even if the part about how the vaccines work is incorrect, they are still sweeping facts under the rug. The statement that "Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it." is simply not true. It is a well known fact that herd immunity can be achieved by exposure. Otherwise, humanity would have probably gone extinct long, long ago.


Obviously developing an immunity without getting sick is preferable. And the vaccines can do that. There's also a non-zero chance they can make you extremely ill. There is no [good] reason to distort the truth. It certainly isn't going to change the mind of an "anti-vaxxer". All it does is erode trust, and I think that's the opposite of the desired effect.

[Rockstar]

The NYT's Partisan Tale about COVID and the Unvaccinated is Rife with Sloppy Data Analysis

The Times' piece on "Red Covid" obscures the reality of the pandemic and manipulates data in favor of a self-congratulatory liberalism.

https://outsidevoices.substack.com/p/the-nyts-partisan-tale-about-covid

By Jeremy Beckham

A widely shared article recently appeared in The New York Times’ “The Morning” newsletter titled “Red Covid,” authored by David Leonhardt. This article, presented as news reporting and not an opinion piece, argues that deaths from COVID-19 are “showing a partisan pattern,” with the worst impacts of the disease “increasingly concentrated in red America.” Given that this narrative perfectly flatters a liberal sense of superiority, it has predictably gained substantial traction on MSNBC and on Twitter.

One particular claim in the Times' article caught my attention: that there is a clear and strong association on a county level between COVID deaths and support for Donald Trump in the 2020 election. Specifically, the article alleged that those counties which voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump had more than a four-fold greater mortality rate than those counties which decisively voted against Trump. If true, that would indeed be a striking observation.

But, as is often the case with epidemiological observations, the question is more complicated than two variables. There are three analytic errors that can lead someone to make false conclusions from what appears to be a meaningful association between two variables: bias, confounding variables, and random statistical error. In this case, the Times’ analysis failed to discuss significant confounding variables.

Age is a common confounder in public health research, and COVID-19 is no exception. The mortality burden of COVID-19 is not randomly distributed across age groups. Indeed, age appears to be the “strongest predictor of mortality” from COVID-19, with one’s risk of death increasing exponentially with age. According to CDC figures, the oldest populations experience a rate of death 570 times higher than that of the youngest populations. This is precisely why older populations were vaccinated first; we knew that prioritizing this population would have the most dramatic effect in curtailing hospitalizations and deaths. Yet the crude county-level analysis reported in The New York Times failed to adjust or account for age at all.

Why is it especially important that we adjust for age when comparing COVID-19 mortality rates in “red” counties with “blue” counties? Because age is not randomly distributed geographically, nor is it randomly distributed on a partisan basis. Republican voters tend to be older than Democratic voters. And rural counties, where Trump won by the largest margins, have older populations than suburban and urban counties. So this means that age is clearly a third, unaccounted for factor that is associated with both the independent variable (a county’s political affiliation) and the dependent variable (COVID-19 fatality rate) in question. This makes it a significant confounder that could easily exaggerate or distort the measured effect and lead one to spurious conclusions.

To be clear, age affects a wide range of health outcomes, and the presence of age as a confounder doesn’t necessarily preclude a subject from methodologically sound inquiry. But you do need to account for it typically by using a statistical process like age-adjusting. For instance, one study looked at seven different nations with widely different crude COVID-19 case fatality rates, ranging from 0.82% to 14.2%. However, once the study’s authors performed age-adjusting, they found that the difference in fatality rates between these countries almost evaporated. If this research technique is not feasible on the county level, perhaps because the available data is incomplete, then it’s important to explicitly state that a known confounder is a limiting factor in extrapolating the significance of your research, so that the reader knows to take the findings with a grain of salt.

Another way researchers try to tease apart a confounder from the variable being investigated is looking only at data where the distorting effect of the confounder is not present. We could do something similar for this research question. Take my home state of Utah, for example. Utah is a very red state. Trump won Utah by more than 20 points in 2020. But Utah also has the youngest population in the country, with a median age of approximately 31 years old. If partisan affiliation were a significant factor that explains deaths from COVID, we would expect Utah to have a greater COVID death rate than the national average, and the younger population helps us minimize the effect of this confounder. But instead, what we find is that Utah ranks 45th in the nation for COVID deaths, with 91 deaths per 100,000 population, far below the national average of 210 deaths per 100,000. This suggests (without proving) that age, not partisan affiliation or ideology, is paramount.

And all of this only accounts for one potential confounder (age). There are other potential confounders that should be addressed. For instance, the disparity in health outcomes between rural and urban populations likely means that people in counties that voted heavily for Trump have other comorbidities that place them at greater risk of death from COVID-19. And people who live in rural areas also experience significant disparities in health care access, with higher rates of uninsured, diminishing available health care facilities, and longer travel times to the nearest hospital. In the past decade, 138 rural inpatient hospitals have closed. This unjust inequity that persists in rural America has previously been a matter of persistent concern for writers at The New York Times, even in the context of reporting on COVID-19 when the pandemic was in its early stages.

To be clear: there is no question that COVID-19 vaccines are a safe, effective, and important tool in protecting people from severe disease and death. The vaccination rate for rural counties is 41.4%, while the rate in urban areas is 53.3%. This difference also surely has an impact on the different rates of death from COVID-19. But this is only one part of the equation, and The New York Times’ recent viral article contained no such nuanced or informative discussion about this complex web of interrelated factors influencing disease burden and health outcomes. If you search the article for any mention of ‘age,’ or ‘rural’ you get no results, because these factors didn’t appear in their analysis at all. In any discussion about factors influencing COVID-19 mortality rates, failing to mention the role of these important demographic influences is journalistic malpractice that grossly distorts reality.

So if it failed to account for any of these factors, how did The New York Times ultimately account for the higher death rate in Trump/rural counties? It does so entirely by invoking the ideological makeup of their knuckle-dragging residents and their apparent self-destructive desire to “own the left.” Under the subheading “Why is this happening?”, The New York Times asserts the following:

What distinguishes the U.S. is a conservative party — the Republican Party — that has grown hostile to science and empirical evidence in recent decades. A conservative media complex, including Fox News, Sinclair Broadcast Group and various online outlets, echoes and amplifies this hostility. Trump took the conspiratorial thinking to a new level, but he did not create it. “With very little resistance from party leaders,” my colleague Lisa Lerer wrote this summer, many Republicans “have elevated falsehoods and doubts about vaccinations from the fringes of American life to the center of our political conversation.”

Part of the problem is that The New York Times relied on incredibly shaky source material. Much of the article is based on writings of an individual named Charles Gaba, who appears to be a web designer and “internet consultant.” Gaba runs a Patreon page where he disseminates his writings to subscribers, which are not submitted to reputable peer-reviewed publications. But this lack of rigorous scientific review was no barrier for The New York Times relying on his "findings," even as the Paper of Record in the same breath scolds those who it says remain “hostile to science and empirical evidence.”

The irony is thick indeed, and the reason why should be obvious: even if the methodology is unsound, the findings fit a preferred narrative that the overwhelmingly liberal readers of The New York Times want to hear. If Gaba’s blog had made the opposite claim – if it had focused on counties like those in Utah, for instance – I think it’s safe to say it would have never seen publication in The New York Times. For this paper, it appears that feeding its readers' desire to feel intellectually and morally superior to “Red America” is of utmost importance, even if it comes at the expense of accurately reporting on the complex reality of the COVID-19 pandemic.

We may not be better informed, but at least we know who to hate.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVW2QqHUJUw

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZKV7P4Sv/120815570-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-04oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/JGH5MwtR)

[Rockstar]

And Rockstar, that article spills over from simpyl false claims. For example that BionTech vaccine expose the immune system to the virus as if an unvaccinated person would meet the virus in the wild, by getting infected. Thats exactly how mRNA vaccines (and vector vaccines as well) DO NOT WORK. Wiuth mRNA vaccines it is no virus at all, and with vector vaccines it is deactivated (="dead") virus.

That author has not medical facts. What he has, is an agenda to mislead people and spill oil into a fire to keep it burning.

Yes there may have been issues with how vaccines work,he is an economist who never claims to be a virologist. The thing is when I read it it didn’t seem to me that was the point of his article. I thought it had more to do with agencies erasing decades long scientific understanding of how herd immunity can be reached through a combination of factors. Making it now look like humanity cannot survive or reach herd immunity without being injected with a man made concoction of chemicals.

[Arlo]

https://assets.cureus.com/uploads/figure/file/234669/e49d0e60daa111eb8572bb2673924a3d-Vaccine-History-Timeline_updated.png

[Admiral8Q]

"Herd Immunity" can be reached naturally, without medicine. For example, over 98% of the natives of the Americas, specifically the Aztecs, Mayans, etc, died, but about 2% became resistant to the diseases Europeans brought over.

[Arlo]

"Herd Immunity" can be reached naturally, without medicine. For example, over 98% of the natives of the Americas, specifically the Aztecs, Mayans, etc, died, but about 2% became resistant to the diseases Europeans brought over.

And that right there promotes vaccine use. :shucks:

[MaDef]

And that right there promotes vaccine use. :shucks:

LMAO..... There's a bit of a difference between a 98% mortality rate and a 2% mortality rate.

[Arlo]

LMAO..... There's a bit of a difference between a 98% mortality rate and a 2% mortality rate.

Because mortality rate never shifts ... especially with mutation (fed by unvaxxed). Guh-yuk. :shucks:

[MaDef]

Because mortality rate never shifts ... especially with mutation (fed by unvaxxed). Guh-yuk. :shucks:

Ahh.. but even with the Mutations covid-19 mortality rate is dropping. And that fact is due not to masks & social distancing, but to the combination of the vaccine and natural immunity. So quit trying to scare the sheeple.

[Rockstar]

Because mortality rate never shifts ... especially with mutation (fed by unvaxxed). Guh-yuk. :shucks:


Fed by the unvaxxed? Lol you just made that load of misinformation up didn’t you?

[Arlo]

Fed by the unvaxxed? Lol you just made that load of misinformation up didn’t you?

Nope. Misinfo is your bag. :shucks:

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/unvaccinated-people-are-increasing-the-chances-for-more-coronavirus-variants-heres-how

https://hub.jhu.edu/2021/07/19/andrew-pekosz-delta-variants/

[Rockstar]

LOL. It’s obvious you don’t read any of your own links either.

Just so you know there are virologists and evolutionary biologists a plenty who would disagree with Pekozs “presumptions” and insert their own.

[Catfish]

^ what do you think fuels mutation and replication of the virus if not people who are a) unvaccinated or b) have not had Covid yet?

[Arlo]

^ what do you think fuels mutation and replication of the virus if not people who are a) unvaccinated or b) have not had Covid yet?

In the case of Covid vs. Humanity the defense team for Covid is rather weak. :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

After implementing some of the strictest rules in bid to battle back the pandemic last year, Ardern acknowledged during a press conference on Monday New Zealand can not fully eradicate coronavirus.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-zealand-abandons-zero-tolerance-policy-toward-covid-as-nation-battles-delta-outbreak/ar-AAP9RI5?ocid=msedgntp

[Rockstar]

^ what do you think fuels mutation and replication of the virus if not people who are a) unvaccinated or b) have not had Covid yet?

What do I think? Well, thanks for asking, if I were to guess I would say evolution fuels the virus attempt to survive.

A virus needs a host to survive. Seems to me those who have NOT been infected play absolutely no part whatsoever in the evolution of a virus. I know some people say vaccinations can cause a virus to evolve and so too will our own immune response. Heck just look at our meat and poultry industries. Mass vaccination galore and guess what? They are STILL having to develop new vaccines against new variations and disease. Why? Because I think those little virus just keep evolving in order to survive whatever is thrown at them. Surely after decades of pumping animals with vaccine the virus should have been eradicated by now, right?

I’m sure you can find data to the contrary. The internet is filled with opinion that confirm your personal bias. As for myself I really don’t have a clue and just rely on my own common sense. They have their opinion I have mine.

[Arlo]

I know some people say vaccinations can cause a virus to evolve and so too will natural immunity.

Some people? Whom, per say, regarding blaming the vaccinations? Joe Rogan? Ben Shapiro? Tucker Carlson? Marjorie Taylor Greene? :shucks:


The internet is filled with opinion (and scientific information) that confirm your personal bias (and reality). As for myself I really don’t have a clue (understatement) and just rely on my own common sense (hilarious).

[3catcircus]

^ what do you think fuels mutation and replication of the virus if not people who are a) unvaccinated or b) have not had Covid yet?

Vaccinated people are getting COVID - there is no good study showing mutation rates in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

If you haven't gotten COVID yet, you aren't contributing to mutation and replication.

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/ph-co5r_ylA

[Skybird]

Singapore, of 1512 hospitalized on Octobre 5th, only 34 are in ICU (~10% of their current ICU capacity of 300, which they say they can boost to 1000 if need would be).


Will you ever finally get it? The vaccine only lowers a bit the rate of infeciton. But the vaccine prevents (= dramatically reduces likelihood of) infections killing you.

A safety belt does not prevent accidents. It only prevents you from flying through the windshield and slitting your throat if you hit that tree ahead.

[Skybird]

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes:


At the moment, a basic knowledge of the Greek alphabet is proving to be helpful: Since June, the questionable and observable variants of the Sars-CoV-2 coronavirus have been using Greek letters as "trivial names" in addition to their scientific names, and we are already at Lambda. The organization currently considers four variants to be questionable, “Variants of Concern”: Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta. Four more are “Variants of Interest”. Others turned out to be more harmless than feared and were declassified; They kept their names anyway, Epsilon for example. How many new letters will be added in the course of the year is unclear. At best, it would be surprising if the list of variants still ended with Lambda at the end of the year.

Fortunately, the vaccines currently available appear to be effective against either variant. However, that does not mean that we can rest on this success. Instead, we should start thinking about the future of vaccinations now and adapt them systematically to new variants: How should, for example, be determined when new vaccinations are needed and against which variants they should be directed? Research also needs to be pushed forward. Important data are still missing. And last but not least, it is important to actually use the existing vaccines to put as many obstacles in the way as possible for the spread of Sars-CoV-2.

Because the virus has only one goal: to spread as efficiently as possible. To do this, it has to adapt better and better to people. The genetic changes that allow it to do this, however, occur only randomly while the virus multiplies in infected cells. The most successful combination of such changes currently has the delta variant.

Your recipe for success is simple: Delta spreads faster from person to person than other Sars-CoV-2 variants and virtually snatches the hosts away from them. After infection, these are initially immune, the other variants lose out. But even if the virus has succeeded in another big hit with Delta - its path is actually a little bit rockier.

Because at the beginning of its triumphal march, the pathogen had around 8 billion potential hosts. He had never met their immune systems before and was accordingly unprepared. The virus was able to spread without resistance. That has changed in the meantime. To date, approximately 5.8 billion doses of vaccine have been administered worldwide, and nearly 43 percent of the world's population is fully vaccinated with two doses. They can all counter the virus with their immune protection.

This is a godsend. Because mutations can only arise if the pathogen multiplies. The higher the percentage of protected people, the less chance the virus has of changing. This in turn lowers the risk of developing variants that escape immune protection. But that also means that the proportion of people who have been vaccinated should be increased worldwide.

In some places this means attracting more people to vaccinations: creating incentives and explaining where the benefits for individuals and where the benefits for the common good lie. In many places, however, also to make vaccines accessible to enough people in the first place. If, for example, it is foreseeable in a country that vaccines cannot be inoculated quickly enough and threaten to expire, they should be distributed as efficiently as possible to those countries that need vaccines.

But the fact that efficient vaccines exist - even if their distribution is still faced with problems - does not mean that the research and development work is now done. It is still important to collect and evaluate data, such as antibody titers to be protected. Only on the basis of this information can immunologists and medical professionals decide when and for whom a third vaccine dose makes sense.

The work on the vaccines themselves remains just as important. Because the fact that we have effective vaccines does not mean that we no longer need others: For example, some researchers are working on so-called universal vaccines, which one day and possibly even different variants of Sars-CoV-2 protect other, related coronaviruses.

These vaccines would offer broad protection against many viruses of the same type. The fact that many of the "interesting" corona viruses are closely related gives rise to hope here. It would then be possible, for example, to use such universal vaccines as part of vaccines that are only directed against one virus variant, and thus perhaps to achieve a broader effect.

Nasal spray vaccinations against Covid-19 have also proven to be extremely efficient in initial studies on animals. They generate a good immune response on the mucous membranes - exactly where Sars-CoV-2 penetrates the body. Their development should also be followed up.

And last but not least, we should also think about the future of the vaccines that are already available: When, and ultimately from what loss of effectiveness of the vaccines, do we need adapted vaccines against certain variants? Which variants should these be directed against? And who determines it?

Dealing with the flu could serve as a model here: New variants of the various influenza viruses keep appearing, the spread and frequency of which are monitored using a special, worldwide reporting system. After evaluating these reports, a WHO expert group recommends twice a year - once for the southern and once for the northern hemisphere - which of these viruses the flu vaccines should target.

It remains to be seen whether the Sars-CoV-2 variants will ever develop that far apart, as well as whether different variants will one day dominate in different regions. With a coordinated collection and evaluation of data, one would be prepared for such possibilities.

Tracking influenza viruses is only part of the job, however. In addition, animal experiments and human sera are used to examine how well the vaccinations fight the viruses against which they are directed. A number of international laboratories are involved in this, some of which work within the framework of the Global Influenza Surveillance and Response System of the WHO, which are independent or associated with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO). If the effect observed in the laboratory falls to a certain extent, the vaccine virus is exchanged. Because flu viruses are constantly changing and after a few years manage to evade the immune system so much that new vaccine viruses are needed that contain the changes.

One could proceed in a similar way with Sars-CoV-2. To do this, however, it would first have to be very clear which antibody titers protect and up to which thresholds this protection is sufficient. This requires large-scale long-term studies in which the relevant data is collected and evaluated. In addition, coordinated monitoring of mutations is required in order to know exactly which variants are distributed where and how they develop genetically. There are also indications that some variants, as antigens, provide somewhat “broader” protection than others - if this is known exactly, they could be particularly suitable as models for vaccinations.

There is a lot to do and a lot to coordinate - across national borders. Now is the time to take this by hand. Sars-CoV-2 could one day become “more harmless” if the population is so immune to (multiple) infections and vaccinations that the disease progresses increasingly mildly. Until then, however, it means to confront the virus together.

[Rockstar]

According to this fella “It makes no difference if you are vaccinated or not, statistically there is no difference.”

It’s also pretty obvious English is not his first language,

https://willemvincken.wordpress.com/2021/09/23/the-covid-survival-rates-with-without-vaccine-no-differences/#comments

And no, I am NOT “anti-vax”. Like everyone else here I got one. However I’m very much an anti-mandate kind of guy. According the article “it could have been worse had I not got vaccinated doesn’t seem to hold much water.”

[Skybird]

How can lethality rates over a period of time have any meaning if they are not standardised in any way against the changes in treatment and prevention over that time period? And if growing effects from growing prevention rates do not get reflected?


Also ignored are the pporblems of Long Covid, and their eocniomic costs - which maybe ar ejigher than that of fatalities. Not to mention that surviving Coid but needing to be hospitalised can be an adventure lasting not weeks, but months.



Thats too shallow and one-dimensional for me what the man writes.



However I am, in Germany, in favour of slowly lifting the restriction regimes. There is strong empirical hint for letting it appear desirable to take the risk, how big or small it may be, of sitting out an ifneciton under the protective umbrella of being jabbed two times. That should tremendously reduce the risk of suffering a serious cause, while giving a severla factors as high immunity boost thna third booster jab does. That means, if their is a "right" time to get infected,m then it is in the 4-8 months after the second jab.



How it is once that time is over and immunity from vaccination has dropped even further, I cannot say. Obviously, like with most vaccinations, there is a critical treshhold level below which practic al immunity protection is no longer given (thats why many vaccinations should be repeated every lets say ten years or so: most vaccinations, though not all: a few work for all life).

[AVGWarhawk]

Singapore, of 1512 hospitalized on Octobre 5th, only 34 are in ICU (~10% of their current ICU capacity of 300, which they say they can boost to 1000 if need would be).


Will you ever finally get it? The vaccine only lowers a bit the rate of infeciton. But the vaccine prevents (= dramatically reduces likelihood of) infections killing you.

A safety belt does not prevent accidents. It only prevents you from flying through the windshield and slitting your throat if you hit that tree ahead.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p180x540/242102901_10219232728984796_8705649735992381949_n. jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=yJnEwmyVaywAX-ZpXFk&_nc_oc=AQkEUSo3tp4s679F-KQIwgc6TXj7Ba0FEwuXmalgk9owcyOV8hforh7WBI2Pha9HLHU&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=0e67da4d8e821eb303973f4853186a58&oe=6184F53F

[Catfish]

Like Trump said, just the flu.

[Arlo]

(Amavingly 'brilliant' meme removed.)

The flu isn't Covid. Covid isn't the flu. Wait ... you know this, right? :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

The flu isn't Covid. Covid isn't the flu. Wait ... you know this, right? :shucks:

You a reading into this meme a bit to deeply. Just answer the question. :doh:

[Arlo]

You a reading into this meme a bit to deeply. Just answer the question. :doh:

If the question/meme is beside the point of the thread then what's the point? :doh:

:shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

If the question/meme is beside the point of the thread then what's the point? :doh:

:shucks:

Do not answer a question with a question. :Kaleun_Wink:

[Arlo]

Do not answer a question with a question. :Kaleun_Wink:

Musta missed that forum rule. :03::shucks:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKa3EZqofNo

[Rockstar]

As of 1 Oct 21 202 deaths per day or 0.00006 percent of population and decreasing..

55.6 percent of population fully vaccinated

64.5 percent of population have received one dose

Moderna CEO five billion dollars richer. Loves long walk on the beach, the Covidian Cult, government and corporate mandates for vaccinations under Emergency Use Authorization. Weeeeeeeeeee

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/t4Z7KQzs/120869109-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-05oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/cvWs3z2W)

[AVGWarhawk]

Musta missed that forum rule. :03::shucks:

It is common knowledge. :salute:

[Dowly]

As of 1 Oct 21 202 deaths per day or 0.00006 percent of population and decreasing..Where?

[Rockstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKa3EZqofNo

There is no money to be made with ivermectin. So I imagine molnupiravir will be the drug of choice and pushed on patients because it will increase profit margin.

MERCK SELLS FEDERALLY FINANCED COVID PILL TO U.S. FOR 40 TIMES WHAT IT COSTS TO MAKE
The Covid-19 treatment molnupiravir was developed using funding from the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Defense.

https://theintercept.com/2021/10/05/covid-pill-drug-pricing-merck-ridgeback/

[Rockstar]

Where?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/87/e3/fd87e311a0319bb2031d68a05247b2a5.jpg



Well it isn’t from some media fact checker that’s for sure.

Btw, 1,188 daily hospital admissions and decreasing.

Seems the pandemic of the unvaccinated was just another sham perpetrated by left wing mandate nazis.

[Dowly]

Sigh, what country are you talking about?

[AVGWarhawk]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/87/e3/fd87e311a0319bb2031d68a05247b2a5.jpg



Well it isn’t from some media fact checker that’s for sure.

Btw, 1,188 daily hospital admissions and decreasing.

Seems the pandemic of the unvaccinated was just another sham perpetrated by left wing mandate nazis.

The numbers of new cases in the USA(per World Counter)appeared to have plateaued weeks ago. There was no mention of this in the news that I'm aware of. The pandemic of the unvaccinated would appear to be a misnomer.

In other news, a friend who is vaccinated has contracted COVID. She said it started with sore throat and runny nose. Her symptoms are not severe.

[Jimbuna]

In other news, a friend who is vaccinated has contracted COVID. She said it started with sore throat and runny nose. Her symptoms are not severe.

As has my son-in-laws mom as of two days ago.

[mapuc]

Which is the correct way to use statistics
when investigating corona/covid-19 cases ?

Got the feeling my friends are using it differently.

Don't ask me I do not know how to use statistic correctly.

Markus

[em2nought]

Maybe covid-19 was engineered to be a weapon for just long enough to get rid of you know who, after which it's effects diminish. :hmmm: Maybe they already had a vaccine for it waiting in the wings, waiting for release after a "certain" date.

[Skybird]

Maybe humans are nothing more than just an overengineered form of bicycle, and maybe that is why vaccines do not 100% perfectly work, where as a single drop of oil possibly would have.

[Arlo]

Maybe covid-19 was engineered to be a weapon for just long enough to get rid of you know who, after which it's effects diminish. :hmmm: Maybe they already had a vaccine for it waiting in the wings, waiting for release after a "certain" date.

If it was specifically engineered to get rid of 'you-know-who' then 'you-know-who' would have died upon contracting it. If your conspiracy theory is more complicated than that then it is Qmaginary.:shucks:

[MaDef]

bottom line it, are we gonna die or not?

[Rockstar]

Sweden suspends Moderna for those under thirty.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/06/sweden-suspends-moderna-vaccine-for-those-30-and-under/

The reason for the pausing is “signals of an increased risk of side effects such as inflammation of the heart muscle or the pericardium” — the double-walled sac containing the heart and the roots of the main vessels, Sweden’s Public Health Agency said in a statement. “The risk of being affected is very small.”


small but enough to suspend it.


Get in line you left wing Covidian Cult blue-anon mandate nazi loonies get your boosters right away. It’s still administered under the Emergency Use Authority. Wonder if it will ever be fully approved? Any bets it won’t and you mandate nazis will have no legal recourse to right any side affects.

[Rockstar]

Covidian Cult, racist Democrat left wing kook blue-anon Mandate nazis exposed.

NSFW Language (f-bombs galore) NSFW.

https://youtu.be/oxOAIWd_YmQ

[Catfish]

[...] Get in line you left wing Covidian Cult blue-anon mandate nazi loonies [...] any bets it won’t and you mandate nazis will have no legal recourse to right any side affects.
Covidian Cult, racist Democrat left wing kook blue-anon Mandate nazis exposed. [...]
Those evil Left Jewish racist democrat Muslim qanon blueanon Antifa Communist Covidian Cult red mandate Nazi loonies and Frank Fauci is the worst (and so on)
Lol black is white, right is left, fake is truth, and the moon is made of green cheese, prove me wrong :D


Meanwhile:

"Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid miracle drug"
By Rachel Schraer & Jack Goodman
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809
BBC Reality* Check

(*sorry for mentioning reality in all this conspiracy cosplay, but reality tends to have a bit of influence on real life)

[3catcircus]

Those evil Left Jewish racist democrat Muslim qanon blueanon Antifa Communist Covidian Cult red mandate Nazi loonies and Frank Fauci is the worst (and so on)
Lol black is white, right is left, fake is truth, and the moon is made of green cheese, prove me wrong :D


Meanwhile:

"Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid miracle drug"
By Rachel Schraer & Jack Goodman
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809
BBC Reality* Check

(*sorry for mentioning reality in all this conspiracy cosplay, but reality tends to have a bit of influence on real life)

So some of their claims - non-random trials, evidence of using the same patient data for multiple people - are issues to question the study. But some are bullsh!t - the local health authorities weren't aware of the study?!?! How often is East BumF$ck Tennessee's health department aware of a study being done under a federal or state grant?

While I don't doubt the sincerity of the article, it also should be subject to a hairy eyeball ..

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kf_Y3e8UaY

[Jimbuna]

Nine months after it was rolled out, the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine has finally reached the Antarctic.

It was flown in this week to immunise the 23 staff members who've been keeping the British Rothera research station running through the polar winter.

This is the most southerly despatch yet for the jabs developed at Oxford University.

Apart from some cases at a Chilean base, Antarctica has been Covid-free.

The international science agencies want to keep it that way.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58822425

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/wv7jP2GQ/120882453-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-06oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/WFcVqGjd)

[Skybird]

The false science behind the Ivermectin hype:


https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

[Jimbuna]

Just five posts back...Catfish :)

[Rockstar]

“False science” headlines dupe the blue a-non conspiracy theorists everytime. The real hype was from the left wing mandate nazis calling it horse paste. When IN FACT it is one of the most commonly prescribed human medications distributed around the world.

Now go and search actual trail data instead of chasing headlines of two paid shills from the BBC government rag.

Nobody here is hyping it as a miracle cure. In FACT most would only say it should be considered. The only HYPE comes from left wing blue a-non conspiracy theorists who believe it’s just horse paste pointing fingers and mocking those who are looking at it as a possible alternative treatment.

[mapuc]

Friends throw stones at each other and none of us are educated in medicin/virology.

We have as in many other things a standpoint.

This we must respect.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna COVID-19 vaccine

by Reuters
Thursday, 7 October 2021 09:25 GMT

https://news.trust.org/item/20211007092437-11532

HELSINKI, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Finland on Thursday paused the use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger males due to reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect, joining Sweden and Denmark in limiting its use.

Mika Salminen, director of the Finnish health institute, said Finland would instead give Pfizer's vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Finland offers shots to people aged 12 and over.

"A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis," he said.

[Arlo]

Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna COVID-19 vaccine

by Reuters
Thursday, 7 October 2021 09:25 GMT

https://news.trust.org/item/20211007092437-11532

HELSINKI, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Finland on Thursday paused the use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger males due to reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect, joining Sweden and Denmark in limiting its use.




Read and understand the whole article. :shucks:

"Regulators in the United States, EU and the World Health Organization have however stressed that the benefits of shots based on the mRNA technology used by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech in preventing COVID-19 continue to outweigh the risks."

"These are typically mild cases and individuals tend to recover within a short time following standard treatment and rest. The risk of myocarditis is substantially increased for those who contract COVID-19, and vaccination is the best way to protect against this."

[Rockstar]

Read and understand the whole article. :shucks:

"Regulators in the United States, EU and the World Health Organization have however stressed that the benefits of shots based on the mRNA technology used by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech in preventing COVID-19 continue to outweigh the risks."

"These are typically mild cases and individuals tend to recover within a short time following standard treatment and rest. The risk of myocarditis is substantially increased for those who contract COVID-19, and vaccination is the best way to protect against this."

Thanks Captain Obvious but just like you I did read whole article. Btw tell that to families of dead, I’m sure they’ll find comfort knowing that.

[Skybird]

I heard that Nukacola is very effective in the faithful against Covid-19.

[Arlo]

Thanks Captain Obvious but just like you I did read whole article

Something worth bearing in mind, Ensign Frustrated. :shucks:

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/MULDV9Ya-Fo

[Rockstar]

Big Pharma Quietly Pushes Back on Global Tax Deal, Citing Covid-19 Role
Drug companies mobilize in D.C., arguing competitiveness and agility are at stake

https://www.wsj.com/articles/big-pharma-quietly-pushes-back-on-global-tax-deal-citing-covid-19-role-11627378146

According to Prof. Damodaran’s analysis, Pfizer’s effective tax rate over the past decade was 5.8%, the lowest of the biggest drug companies. One factor was a big tax-related gain Pfizer took in 2017 tied to the U.S. tax overhaul that year, resulting in a negative reported tax rate by global accounting standards. Pfizer reports a so-called adjusted effective tax rate that excludes one-time charges and which the company describes as reflective of ongoing operations. That adjusted rate is about 15% this year.

Pharma executives and lawyers say they want certainty and simplicity and warn higher taxes could crimp the sort of risky research and development that led to the quick deployment of Covid-19 vaccines and pandemic therapies. “Pharma is going to get hit hard,” said a senior tax official at J&J who has been closely involved in policy talks. J&J makes another Covid-19 vaccine authorized for use in the U.S. Companies will have less to invest in research and development, the official said.

The industry’s outsize investments in research and development are “foundational to human health and well-being, as demonstrated throughout the Covid-19 pandemic,” a J&J spokesman said. If tax changes cut research spending, he said, it will bring “a negative impact to new medicines, vaccines and treatments.”

Not to worry Big Pharma, Big Gubnent will just mandate the use of your vaccines. That should help you cover your tax loss. :har:

Follow the money. https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=H04&recipdetail=A&sortorder=U&mem=Y&cycle=2020

[Dowly]

Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna COVID-19 vaccine
As a precaution and because we have plenty of other vaccines to use. There have been four mild cases of myocarditis among the twice vaccinated here in Finland, so it is extremely rare.

[Rockstar]

As a precaution and because we have plenty of other vaccines to use. There have been four mild cases of myocarditis among the twice vaccinated here in Finland, so it is extremely rare.

From what I’ve read it’s an issue in every country. I’ve read too our FDA has issued warnings for both Moderna and Pfizer concerning myocarditis

https://www.fda.gov/media/150054/download

But that doesn’t stop our mandate nazis here from demanding Emergency Use approval of of Moderna in children under 12 under. Or California from mandating the use of Pfizer in children K through 12.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gn5GtUpwQ0

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQH40UydmWM

[Skybird]

From what I’ve read it’s an issue in every country.


Of course it is, or did you think the Fins are something special?


Its a thing in Germany as well - and similar low incidences of myocarditis. There are more total cases in germany than in Finland. Because there are more Germans and thus more vaccinated total numbers in Germany, than in Finland.


Sorry, no witchcraft or black number magic at work here.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/C1T4gh85/121001132-uk-card-with-vax2doses08oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/HJzM0CB1)

[Rockstar]

Of course it is, or did you think the Fins are something special?


Its a thing in Germany as well - and similar low incidences of myocarditis. There are more total cases in germany than in Finland. Because there are more Germans and thus more vaccinated total numbers in Germany, than in Finland.


Sorry, no witchcraft or black number magic at work here.

Yes but I also wrote: …that doesn’t stop our mandate nazis here from demanding Emergency Use approval of of Moderna in children under 12 under. Or California from mandating the use of Pfizer in children K through 12.


It’s one thing to vaccinate the aged whose immune system is not that of a child’s. It’s another to push it on children who have basically zero chance of dying from COVID. While gleefully increasing there their chance of myocarditis up to 200% in the name of feeling good about yourself.

Kudos to the Scandanvians and Suomi for realizing that. I wish we would do the same and stop this nonsense as well.

[Dowly]

I don't think you understand. Finland didn't put Moderna on hold because of the increased risk, it was put on hold because we have other options. If the overall situation would worsen or we would run out of other vaccines to use, Moderna would be back in use in a heartbeat. The risk is miniscule.

[Rockstar]

I don't think you understand. Finland didn't put Moderna on hold because of the increased risk, it was put on hold because we have other options. If the overall situation would worsen or we would run out of other vaccines to use, Moderna would be back in use in a heartbeat. The risk is miniscule.

You’re right maybe I don’t. :D Honestly, I understood the article as saying you all put a hold on it for those under 30 because of the risk of myocarditis. I’m sure it will be back on online again soon, for politicians it’s the thought that counts.

Still though I find it somewhat disturbing this push to vaccinate children when the data seems to show the risk of dying or future adverse complications from the cure seem to be greater than the virus.

[Dowly]

Still though I find it somewhat disturbing this push to vaccinate children when the data seems to show the risk of dying or future adverse complications from the cure seem to be greater than the virus.Does it though?

[Rockstar]

Does it though?

Regrettably only around 490 children under the age of seventeen have died from COVID. However you asked a great question, unfortunately we don’t know what the long term health effects of juicing these kids up are. So I stick by my opinion that I find it disturbing a politician can arbitrarily mandate the use of a still experimental drug for children under 17 since it doesn’t seem they will benefit from it.

This isn’t polio or Ebola it’s a particular virus that is known to weaken over time and our CDC weekly COVID tracker indicates to me the so called emergency is over. Yet the hysteria and mandates appear to continue unabated.

[Arlo]

Regrettably only around 490 children under the age of seventeen have died from COVID.

Terrible start for a post. :shucks:

[Jimbuna]

Perhaps 'Thankfully'?

[3catcircus]

Perhaps 'Thankfully'?

Depends upon which kids...

[Rockstar]

Terrible start for a post. :shucks:

Nope, I meant regrettably. :yep:

We must have more mandates, complications and adverse sides.

[Arlo]

Nope, I meant regrettably.



Well, did you also mean 'only' along with your 'regrettably?' :hmmm:

[MaDef]

Well, did you also mean 'only' along with your 'regrettably?' :hmmm:

Only 98% of people who contract covid-19 survive the illness. (it's all about reading comprehension).

[Rockstar]

It too bad only 4 million people world wide died from COVID. If there were more maybe people might give a damn how it all happened and actually hold people responsible.

NSFW - fbombs - NSFW

https://youtu.be/rjgduNLasLw

[Arlo]

Only 98% of people who contract covid-19 survive the illness. (it's all about reading comprehension).

Oh, I have tons of reading comprehension and have to use such on a daily basis. Writing is a skill, too. Professional, in some cases.

"Regrettably only around 490 children under the age of seventeen have died from COVID." might have been a Freudian slip. Or it might have just been poorly written. But neither was my fault, Def. Everyone is capable of slip-ups. Some seem incapable of admitting it, though. :shucks:

[Sean C]

Some are also apparently incapable of recognizing sarcasm. Even when it has been pointed out to them. :shucks:

[Arlo]

Some are also apparently incapable of recognizing sarcasm. Even when it has been pointed out to them. :shucks:

Just remember ... 'regrettably' + 'only' is reserved for regretting actual loss ... such as:

"Regrettably, there were only (x number) of survivors of the sinking."

"Regrettably, only (x number) of people were rescued and released from _____ concentration camp."

It should never be used to regret that numbers of loss or suffering were too low:

"Regrettably, only (x number) of lives were lost this year on the highway due to automobile occupants not wearing seatbelts."

"Regrettably only around 490 children under the age of seventeen have died from COVID."

Even slight word variation which conveys the same meaning should be avoided.:

"It too bad only 4 million people world wide died from COVID."

It's just bad form, even if people try to use the sarcasm excuse (for themselves or others) after the matter (like some seem prone to, more and more today, rather than admit a mistake because such admissions are fatal (sarcasm). :shucks:

[MaDef]

"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but the highest form of intelligence.” (Oscar Wilde):O:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy7c_FHiEac

[Arlo]

"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but the highest form of intelligence.” (Oscar Wilde):O:

The only difference between the saint and the sinner is that every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. - same

[Catfish]

It too bad only 4 million people world wide died from COVID. If there were more maybe people might give a damn how it all happened and actually hold people responsible.
NSFW - fbombs - NSFW
[BS]

https://i.imgur.com/OCRjrJjh.png

[August]

Except it's not 1%. It's not even 1/10th of 1 percent.

[Catfish]

Then i propose the US should have done just nothing for four more weeks to reach this one percent.

[Skybird]

https://www.nightmare-horrormovies.de/Bilder/Wenn-er-in-die-Hoelle-will-lass-ihn-gehen.jpg

[em2nought]

Then i propose the US should have done just nothing for four more weeks to reach this one percent.


We have no worries, there are more than enough illegal aliens flooding over our southern border to replace those we've lost. :D

[Arlo]

Except it's not 1%. It's not even 1/10th of 1 percent.

Boy, that floating scale of the RWDC. :shucks:

[Subnuts]

The fire- and atomic- bombing of Japan killed less than one percent of the population of Japan. Guess they should have shouldn't have contemplated surrender until it got to three or four percent. :hmmm:

[August]

The current US population of 326 million divided by current US dead by covid of 714k equals a mortality rate of .002%.

[Arlo]

The current US population of 326 million divided by current US dead by covid of 714k equals a mortality rate of .002%.

In eighteen months.

World War II (1939-1945) 405,399 (6 years)
World War I (1917-1918) 116,516 (a year)
Vietnam War (1965-1973) 58,209 (eight years)

Just some perspective.

But hey, it don't matter ... until it does. :shucks:

[mapuc]

I who thought that you divided the number of infected with the countries population and

You divide the number of death with the number of infected.

Ain't no mathematician so I'm mostly probably wrong.

Markus

[mapuc]

In eighteen months.

World War II (1939-1945) 405,399 (6 years)
World War I (1917-1918) 116,516 (a year)
Vietnam War (1965-1973) 58,209 (eight years)

Just some perspective.

But hey, it don't matter ... until it does. :shucks:

The War that cost most American life is the Civil war.

Markus

[Arlo]

The War that cost most American life is the Civil war.

Markus

The original one.
Yes, so far.

That doesn't make it better. :shucks:

[em2nought]

714K less social security checks, heck they can rob social security again soon. Oh wait, they already stole it all. :har:

[August]

I who thought that you divided the number of infected with the countries population and

You divide the number of death with the number of infected.

Ain't no mathematician so I'm mostly probably wrong.

Markus




Well read Catfish's article again. It clearly talks about the death rate being 1% and specifies that as 3.28 million people. That's 1% of the total US population of 320 million which makes his premise false no matter how you count it.

[Jimbuna]

As of 04:00 BST, the UK's travel red list has been cut from 54 countries to seven.

It ends hotel quarantine rules for people arriving from South Africa, Mexico, Brazil and other countries.

Separately, fully vaccinated travellers arriving in the UK from 37 other countries will also have to comply with fewer rules.

Heathrow Airport says passenger numbers for last month were 38% of pre-pandemic levels.

An Astra-Zeneca antibody therapy can reduce the chances of high-risk people developing severe, life-threating Covid, clinical trial results show.

In Wales, NHS Covid passes are now compulsory for entry to big events or nightclubs.

And in Australia, Sydney celebrates the end of a 107-day lockdown.

Here are the 47 places removed from the UK's travel red list from 04:00 BST:

Afghanistan, Angola, Argentina, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Burundi, Cape Verde, Chile, Congo (Democratic Republic), Costa Rica, Cuba. Eritrea, Eswatini, Ethiopia, French Guiana, Georgia, Guyana, Indonesia, Lesotho, Malawi, Mayotte, Mexico, Mongolia, Montenegro, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Paraguay, Philippines, Réunion, Rwanda, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Africa, Sudan, Suriname, Tanzania, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Uganda, Uruguay, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

Source: Department for Transport

Those still on the red list are: Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Haiti, Panama, Peru and Venezuela.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/C57d8Gwf/1111.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/VsWJ28XL/2222.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/DyfSTMcQ/3333.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/c4Dr4BDp/4444.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/3x15HtnG/5555.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/3wwMr2cc/6666.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NKZCp2Y6)

[MaDef]

https://i.imgur.com/OCRjrJjh.png

You Kids and your "NEW Math", sometimes you're good for a laugh.

You are assuming 100% of the population has covid-19. FYI they don't.

The actual number of covid-19 deaths as a percentage of the U.S. population is: 0.00021%

[Arlo]

You Kids and your "NEW Math", sometimes you're good for a laugh.

You are assuming 100% of the population has covid-19. FYI they don't.

The actual number of covid-19 deaths as a percentage of the U.S. population is: 0.00021%

Because you assume that it never will reach that while foot-stomping about masks, shutdowns and vaccines. True conservatives would address the issue well beforehand. :shucks:

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/8kbLVWLv/121026412-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-11oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/hhfXLXy4)

[MaDef]

Because you assume that it never will reach that while foot-stomping about masks, shutdowns and vaccines. True conservatives would address the issue well beforehand. :shucks:

Your ilk are insisting it is going to be an extinction level event if everyone doesn't follow your mandates. And you've pretty much made a mess of things with those mandates haven't you.

[Arlo]

Your ilk are insisting it is going to be an extinction level event if everyone doesn't follow your mandates. And you've pretty much made a mess of things with those mandates haven't you.

Actually, 'my ilk' is just interested in saving lives and saving society. Extinction is an exaggeration on 'your ilk's' part. The real mess is from 'your ilk' that refuse all 'mandates' (most of which are merely practices instituted by both the public and private sector protecting lives). 'Your ilk' is causing more and longer waves and a greater risk to society. :shucks:

[3catcircus]

Actually, 'my ilk' is just interested in saving lives and saving society. Extinction is an exaggeration on 'your ilk's' part. The real mess is from 'your ilk' that refuse all 'mandates' (most of which are merely practices instituted by both the public and private sector protecting lives). 'Your ilk' is causing more and longer waves and a greater risk to society. :shucks:

Masks and social distancing slow down a pandemic; they do not stop it. Leaky vaccines allow people to still be infected. Together, these measures extend the duration of a pandemic - instead of a sharp short duration curve, you get a flatter longer duration curve - but the area under the curve is the same.

Ultimately most people will get infected even if they are vaccinated. The only ones who won't are either hermits in caves or possibly immune due to T cells.

Getting COVID sucks - I had it even though I'm fully vaccinated. But the majority of people who get it ( whether vaccinated or not) are going to come out unscathed.

We did not engage in these authoritarian measures in the 68-69 Hong Kong Flu pandemic (which killed millions) - no restrictions affecting travel or the economy - and it ended after about a year. This was after they saw the economic impact of the 57-58 Asian Flu. The Asian Flu continued endemically until 68 when it shifted to the HK strain. Yet they managed to survive without 10 years of lockdowns, masks, or forced vaccination.

We're going on 2 years now for covid *because* of these protective measures. If everyone were wearing a properly-fitted N95 or a full face forced air respirator, it's might be different. But we not, so they're imperfect enough to allow infections to continue. Likewise social distancing which has been admitted as being arbitrary at 6 feet since they public would balk at 10 feet

We have vaccines. We have improved antibiotics and sanitation (even as compared to the 50s and 60s). We know who are the most at risk. Yet we continue to mask children and destroy their necessary in person social interactions. We continue to destroy the economy. Yes, some people who aren't vaccinated may die, but it is their choice. Those who are vaccinated are extremely unlikely to die or suffer long term complications if they still get infected. And that's the point - things exist for people to decide their own risk tolerance and act according to that risk tolerance, so everyone should get on with their lives.

And there's the conundrum - the poorest nations are the most free even though they're they are the least vaccinated. Yet many Western nations continue draconian measures despite pretty much being close to or at herd immunity due to vaccinations combined with infections. No one wants to admit that high vaccination rates of leaky vaccines has led to more infections in western nations because people were led to believe they couldn't get infected when really all it does for most people is reduce infection severity.

[Arlo]

Masks and social distancing slow down a pandemic; they do not stop it. Leaky vaccines allow people to still be infected. Together, these measures extend the duration of a pandemic - instead of a sharp short duration curve, you get a flatter longer duration curve - but the area under the curve is the same.

Ultimately most people will get infected even if they are vaccinated. The only ones who won't are either hermits in caves or possibly immune due to T cells.

Getting COVID sucks - I had it even though I'm fully vaccinated. But the majority of people who get it ( whether vaccinated or not) are going to come out unscathed.

We did not engage in these authoritarian measures in the 68-69 Hong Kong Flu pandemic (which killed millions) - no restrictions affecting travel or the economy - and it ended after about a year. This was after they saw the economic impact of the 57-58 Asian Flu. The Asian Flu continued endemically until 68 when it shifted to the HK strain. Yet they managed to survive without 10 years of lockdowns, masks, or forced vaccination.

We're going on 2 years now for covid *because* of these protective measures. If everyone were wearing a properly-fitted N95 or a full face forced air respirator, it's might be different. But we not, so they're imperfect enough to allow infections to continue. Likewise social distancing which has been admitted as being arbitrary at 6 feet since they public would balk at 10 feet

We have vaccines. We have improved antibiotics and sanitation (even as compared to the 50s and 60s). We know who are the most at risk. Yet we continue to mask children and destroy their necessary in person social interactions. We continue to destroy the economy. Yes, some people who aren't vaccinated may die, but it is their choice. Those who are vaccinated are extremely unlikely to die or suffer long term complications if they still get infected. And that's the point - things exist for people to decide their own risk tolerance and act according to that risk tolerance, so everyone should get on with their lives.

And there's the conundrum - the poorest nations are the most free even though they're they are the least vaccinated. Yet many Western nations continue draconian measures despite pretty much being close to or at herd immunity due to vaccinations combined with infections. No one wants to admit that high vaccination rates of leaky vaccines has led to more infections in western nations because people were led to believe they couldn't get infected when really all it does for most people is reduce infection severity.

Is 'leaky vaccine' a 'medical term' you made up? :shucks:

[Otto Harkaman]

Is 'leaky vaccine' a 'medical term' you made up? :shucks:


I believe its called an analogy but you wanted to indulge in your typical snarky mockery that is a parody of wit. :shucks:

[Arlo]

I believe its called an analogy but you wanted to indulge in your typical snarky mockery that is a parody of wit. :shucks:

So, it's not a medical term. I'll take his entire post as a parody, then. :shucks:

[Jimbuna]

A major report by MPs criticises the UK's early response to the Covid outbreak, saying "big mistakes" were made.

The late lockdown in early 2020 "ranks as one of the most important public health failures" the UK has ever had.

The report also says "many thousands" of care home deaths could have been avoided.

And it criticises the test and trace programme for its "slow, uncertain and often chaotic performance"

But the MPs praise the vaccine programme and rollout as one of the best in the world.

Minister Steve Barclay defends the government's response, saying it always followed scientific advice.

The UK reported 40,224 cases on Monday, plus 28 new Covid deaths.

[3catcircus]

So, it's not a medical term. I'll take his entire post as a parody, then. :shucks:

http://epidemics.psu.edu/articles/view/leaky-vaccines-promote-the-transmission-of-more-virulent-virus

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/

I'll just leave these here...

I eagerly await your comments to my prior post on this...

[MaDef]

I wouldn't bother, Arlo thinks he's always right regardless of data to the contrary.

[3catcircus]

I wouldn't bother, Arlo thinks he's always right regardless of data to the contrary.

Oh, I'm not expecting anything in response that even comes close to a serious discussion.

I suspect he realized he had no response that wouldn't make him look like a fool.

[Arlo]

I wouldn't bother, Arlo thinks he's always right regardless of data to the contrary.

It's more like I don't really think 'your ilk' is always right (hardly ever, actually). That does seem to bother 'your ilk.' I'm surprised ya'll try so hard and constantly. :shucks:

[Arlo]

Oh, I'm not expecting anything in response that even comes close to a serious discussion.


I'm sorry? You think you're trying to have a 'serious discussion?' Seriously? :shucks:

[Arlo]

http://epidemics.psu.edu/articles/view/leaky-vaccines-promote-the-transmission-of-more-virulent-virus

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/

I'll just leave these here...

I eagerly await your comments to my prior post on this...

Ah, if only Otto had held off defending your honor long enough for you to present. Ok, then ... the supposed evil of the 'leaky vaccine.'

It's been common knowledge for some time now that the vaccines being used to protect against Covid are not a guarantee against infection. But it is also common knowledge that they reduce the worst of the symptoms and help prevent deaths. Funny how 'death' supposedly only has meaning when it hits a certain floating percentage and that lives saved by science is met head on with imaginary 'more lives will be saved without it.' I also love all that 'precautions taken makes things worser' pseudo-ideology that seems to go hand in hand with 'doing nothing is better than doing something' and 'scientists and doctors are wrong unless they agree with me ... and I've found a few.'

Is that the response you were waiting for with baited breath? :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

Ah, if only Otto had held off defending your honor long enough for you to present. Ok, then ... the supposed evil of the 'leaky vaccine.'

It's been common knowledge for some time now that the vaccines being used to protect against Covid are not a guarantee against infection. But it is also common knowledge that they reduce the worst of the symptoms and help prevent deaths. Funny how 'death' supposedly only has meaning when it hits a certain floating percentage and that lives saved by science is met head on with imaginary 'more lives will be saved without it.' I also love all that 'precautions taken makes things worser' pseudo-ideology that seems to go hand in hand with 'doing nothing is better than doing something' and 'scientists and doctors are wrong unless they agree with me ... and I've found a few.'

Is that the response you were waiting for with baited breath? :shucks:

Sadly once the vaccine was available it was touted as good(news outlets/social media nuts). CDC/local governments decided to drop the masks. Drop the social distancing. Ease up on the hand sanitizer. You're vaccinated! Silly us to think that the vaccine was fully tested. Silly us to not fully see the general public is the trial phase. Silly the general public took it hook, line and sinker. That common knowledge that the vaccine was not 100% was only in the past few months. The only knowledge previous to that is the vaccine will protect you. Go ahead and drop you guard. And to add, boosters anyone? Again, no one knows.


Yes, it does appear the vaccine helps with getting over COVID. It does not reduce the worst of the symptoms. Any symptom other than good health is the worst. Case and point, two I know personally got the vaccine when first available. They tested positive for COVID last Monday. They are experiencing all of the symptoms. However, generally they do not feel any worse then a common cold. Loss of taste evident. But again, both are vaccinated. Guard was down. Got COVID from the neighbor. :hmmm: Some have died even when vaccinated. Bottom line, the vaccine provides a good shot(no pun intended) at quick recovery. It is not a failsafe. Development should not stop.

We have talked about this before. The vaccine will not eradicate COVID. It is part of the toolbox. Issue here is other tools to combat COVID once infected are not being developed with much urgency from my understanding.

[Rockstar]

The Covidian Cult is filled with ‘general knowledge’ but provide little or no fact. Just like Josef Mengele Arlo sees absolutely no problem with mandating the use and injecting little children with experimental drugs. Unfortunately if he’s as old as I think he is, he probably will not be around to see the long term effects of his experiments on children.

Btw it’s has been ‘general knowledge’ that persons over the age of sixty could reduce the risk of heart attack or stroke by taking children’s strength aspirin. Until today, now a US task force proposes adults 60 and older should not take daily aspirin to prevent heart disease or stroke

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/12/health/daily-aspirin-heart-disease-stroke-draft-recommendation-wellness/index.html




Gotta love that general knowledge. :rolls:

[AVGWarhawk]

The Covidian Cult is filled with ‘general knowledge’ but provide little or no fact. Just like Josef Mengele Arlo sees absolutely no problem with mandating the use and injecting little children with experimental drugs. Unfortunately if he’s as old as I think he is, he probably will not be around to see the long term effects of his experiments on children.

Btw it’s has been ‘general knowledge’ that persons over the age of sixty could reduce the risk of heart attack or stroke by taking children’s strength aspirin. Until today, now a US task force proposes adults 60 and older should not take daily aspirin to prevent heart disease or stroke

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/12/health/daily-aspirin-heart-disease-stroke-draft-recommendation-wellness/index.html




Gotta love that general knowledge. :rolls:

Similar to the eggs and the great cholesterol caper 2 decades ago. It was not quite cracked up to be as bad as it was claimed.

[Arlo]

Just like Josef Mengele Arlo sees absolutely no problem with mandating the use and injecting little children with experimental drugs.


This comes off as a personal attack, Rockie. Perhaps you should generalize your character assassination by comparison more. Even if you were shooting for 'accuracy' (which you missed by a mile
). :shucks:

[Arlo]

Similar to the eggs and the great cholesterol caper 2 decades ago. It was not quite cracked up to be as bad as it was claimed.

Bit of a deviation, there. :shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

Bit of a deviation, there. :shucks:

Did you get the yoke? :haha::hmmm:

[Arlo]

Did you get the yoke? :haha::hmmm:

I like you, man. :shucks:

[Rockstar]

This comes off as a personal attack, Rockie. Perhaps you should generalize your character assassination by comparison more. Even if you were shooting for 'accuracy' (which you missed by a mile
). :shucks:

Don’t take it personal it’s bad for your health Arlo.

[Arlo]

Don’t take it personal it’s bad for your health Arlo.

You made it personal in your approach. But not to fret, though, I take into account that you don't realize a lot of things. My health isn't as fragile as you may want to think. I can still care for and care about others. :shucks:

[Skybird]

Keep it civil, gents.

Rockstar, show some class - you owe Arlo an apology. That remark was no longer within limits.

[Jimbuna]

I think we're past the warning attempts now Sky and it isn't only this thread that has been 'infected'

So, to 'the usual suspects' not just in this thread but also the US Politics (to name one other).

Take any insults etc. to PM if you don't have the willpower to simply ignore those you are unable to agree with.

The insults and name calling etc. stops now!

https://i.postimg.cc/dQrZpNZ9/adminwatch-2.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/Y93Kmwy3/121055703-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-12oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/2bVXPgYb)

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/5yRrw95w/111.png (https://postimg.cc/N2RbtczM)
https://i.postimg.cc/9X8s313r/222.png (https://postimg.cc/5jzsLB2V)
https://i.postimg.cc/7Y5dq7DX/333.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[MaDef]

mortality rate still under 2% @ 1.6758%

[Arlo]

mortality rate still under 2% @ 1.6758%

Well, we're not rooting for it to climb, right? :shucks:

[MaDef]

Well, we're not rooting for it to climb, right? :shucks:

Just bottom lining the information.

[Arlo]

Just bottom lining the information.

You've been 'bottom lining' it for a long time in an apparent effort to undermine concern, it appears to me. If I'm wrong, please tell me. :shucks:

[MaDef]

You've been 'bottom lining' it for a long time in an apparent effort to undermine concern, it appears to me. If I'm wrong, please tell me. :shucks: I haven't posted anything but facts as far as I'm aware. If my numbers are wrong, please post the correct ones.

[Arlo]

I haven't posted anything but facts as far as I'm aware. If my numbers are wrong, please post the correct ones.

How about trying this? When it changes post that. :shucks:

[Buddahaid]

I try to keep from posting anything from Beau generally but this one hits pretty hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LiZuivD_yg

[Skybird]

^ Point well delivered. :up:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8SQCDIVf1s

[Jimbuna]

Yet more confusion.

Lateral flow tests (LFTs) are very good at detecting people most likely to spread Covid-19 and positive results should be trusted, say University College London researchers.

When LFTs were introduced, they were criticised for being less accurate than PCR tests, which are analysed in a lab.

But the study found rapid tests were "a very useful public health tool" for stopping the spread of the virus.

One third of people with Covid can spread it while showing no symptoms.

Based on the UCL research, Prof Irene Petersen, lead study author, said people who get a positive LFT result "should trust them and stay at home".

But government guidance says people must get a follow-up PCR test after a positive LFT to confirm they have Covid - and they can end their self-isolation when they get a negative result in a PCR test.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58899612

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLqS5dAxKj8

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXcddiS32s0

[Jimbuna]

NHS Test and Trace suspends Covid testing provided by a private laboratory in Wolverhampton amid fears up to 43,000 people were given the wrong result.

Dr Jenny Harries, the head of NHS Test and Trace, says it is not yet clear how or why the laboratory might have given incorrect results.

Harries adds there will be a "serious incident investigation" to ensure there are not problems at other testing laboratories.

Earlier, a mass testing site in Berkshire asked people who recently got a negative result to book another test.

It comes after reports that some people received negative PCR tests after testing positive using lateral flow devices.

But health officials say the problem is "an isolated incident attributed to one laboratory" and that they are investigating the cause.

Separately, travellers returning to England will be able to take cheaper lateral flow tests from 24 October.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/qBhmLsm2/111.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/SQBgtn53/222.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/vH50RQwB/333.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3dJXmQR5)

[Skybird]

On a sidenote.


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/eric-clapton-s-covid-vaccine-conspiracies-mark-sad-final-act-ncna1281619


Too bad.

I did not know this about him. Have a live concert DVD, it was great stuff.

[Sean C]

Too bad.

I did not know this about him. Have a live concert DVD, it was great stuff.


"Too bad" he has his own opinion? I don't agree with a lot of the political or personal views of the musicians and bands I listen to. But that's not why I listen to them. Their personal beliefs don't make their music less great.

[August]

"Too bad" he has his own opinion? I don't agree with a lot of the political or personal views of the musicians and bands I listen to. But that's not why I listen to them. Their personal beliefs don't make their music less great.


No place in Skybirds brave new world for wrong thinkers.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVBzaTnDZKo

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/90DkjgqC/121100775-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-15oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/jnrcHXXF)

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbjuWs99CrE

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHazL7-EyDA

[Otto Harkaman]

^ love Dr. Campbell, I'm glad I watched his videos early on at the beginning of the pandemic, been taking Vitamin D every day since. He gives great practical advice. There was another UK doctor I had watched that videoed his days as a general practitioner. It was very scary at the beginning of the pandemic because he was truly on the front lines. I need to rediscover him and see how he is doing, hopefully well.

[Skybird]

Colin Powell (84 yr) died from Covid-19 complications.

[Rockstar]

Supermarkets in German state of Hesse can now block entry to the unvaccinated

https://www.thelocal.de/20211015/supermarkets-in-german-state-of-hesse-can-now-block-entry-to-the-unvaccinated/

Denying entry to perfectly healthy people. What’s next make them sew a COVID virus patch on their coats and place in quarantine camps?

The world is going mad.

[Skybird]

Denying entry to perfectly healthy people.
How do you know? How could anyone know?

I do not agree with those rules, to be clear on that, it means going from 3G rules ("G" as German abbreviations for vaccinated, tested or recovered) to 2G rules (vaccinated or recovered). Testings alone are not sufficient under 2G rules to get access.

However, you imply that tested people all are automatically "perfectly healthy", to give it an ideological twist again. And that conclusion simply is wrong.

Its even wrong for recovered and vaccinated people as well. You can catch the ifneciton although you have immunity. Chance sof rit are smuch samller, and chances for suffering a serious case are even more smaller. But you are not "perfectly healthy". And you can spread the infecton to others.


I see no need for those stricter 2G rules, and think we in general must consider opening up again now, since we have a high vaccination rate. But I reject the twist you add to it.

[Jimbuna]

My lad has tested positive two days running with a LFT so he has booked a PCR for yesterday morning.......symptoms heavy cold and loss of taste and smell.

PCR test was a POSITIVE

[Arlo]

My lad has tested positive two days running with a LFT so he has booked a PCR for yesterday morning.......symptoms heavy cold and loss of taste and smell.

PCR test was a POSITIVE

Best vibes to you and yours.

[Jimbuna]

Best vibes to you and yours.

Appreciated :up:

[Skybird]

Best wishes!

You know the drill by now: Vitamine D (10K-20K IU), C (3-6 gr or as much as he can digest: higher is better), Zinc (~80mg but for not longer than 2-3 weeks, it mounts up and then can become toxic, it fades just slowly), Magnesium (500-1000mg), Quercetin (500mg, google it, its a plant flavonoid).

So, lots of it as long as his bottom does not start to leak. C and Mg distributed in several smaller doses over the day, that increases digestive tolerance.

Q10 (400-600 mg) , Omega-3 (4gr of EPA+DHA) maybe also have direct effects in this scenario, but I am not certain whether or not they help if started just now, without longer building time. Iodine would be good, too, but it takes months to build in higher levels in the body, so is of little or no immediate use (it plays, amongst many others things, a very important role in the regeneration and control of permeability of the guts' mucosa which has an immunity-relevant function).

Plenty of (unrefined) salt. Lots of drinking. Keep sugar low, best: none. Eat healthy. Bring the guts into shape, at least dont stress it. No alcohol.

:salute:

[August]

I hoe your boy gets well soon Jimbuna. Unlike some others here I will refrain from offering unqualified medical advice.

[Jimbuna]

Thanks guys. I spoke to him via phone earlier and he feels like it's simply a bad cold so I'm quietly confident he will manage.

[August]

Colin Powell (84 yr) died from Covid-19 complications.


In spite of being completely vaccinated.

[Rockstar]

Thanks guys. I spoke to him via phone earlier and he feels like it's simply a bad cold so I'm quietly confident he will manage.

I had very similar symptoms. But I also feel they were compounded by a complete loss of appetite. Make sure he gets some good food in him. All my best to you and yours.

[Rockstar]

In spite of being completely vaccinated.

At least he could go to the grocery store and ride the BART.

[Jimbuna]

I had very similar symptoms. But I also feel they were compounded by a complete loss of appetite. Make sure he gets some good food in him. All my best to you and yours.

He loves cooking but not right now so I'll take him a few of my Chinese and Indian curries, the latter are usually too hot for him.

No doubt his mom will be slaving over our cooker tomorrow.

[Rockstar]

Mandate nazis hate science and it’s findings and recommendations.

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

Vaccines currently are the primary mitigation strategy to combat COVID-19 around the world. For instance, the narrative related to the ongoing surge of new cases in the United States (US) is argued to be driven by areas with low vaccination rates [1]. A similar narrative also has been observed in countries, such as Germany and the United Kingdom [2]. At the same time, Israel that was hailed for its swift and high rates of vaccination has also seen a substantial resurgence in COVID-19 cases [3]. We investigate the relationship between the percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases across 68 countries and across 2947 counties in the US.

Findings

At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.

In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do more harm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacological prevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the balance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same manner we continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonal alterations of the 1918 Influenza virus.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/wjS1QC0d/121129646-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-18oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/217jzXsH)

[u crank]

My lad has tested positive two days running with a LFT so he has booked a PCR for yesterday morning.......symptoms heavy cold and loss of taste and smell.

PCR test was a POSITIVE

Hey Jim, I hope young James will have a full recovery. Wishing him all the best.

:salute:

[Catfish]

Jim, I hope James gets well soon.

[3catcircus]

Mandate nazis hate science and it’s findings and recommendations.

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

Vaccines currently are the primary mitigation strategy to combat COVID-19 around the world. For instance, the narrative related to the ongoing surge of new cases in the United States (US) is argued to be driven by areas with low vaccination rates [1]. A similar narrative also has been observed in countries, such as Germany and the United Kingdom [2]. At the same time, Israel that was hailed for its swift and high rates of vaccination has also seen a substantial resurgence in COVID-19 cases [3]. We investigate the relationship between the percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases across 68 countries and across 2947 counties in the US.

Findings

At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.

In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do more harm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacological prevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the balance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same manner we continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonal alterations of the 1918 Influenza virus.

This is something most of us with any understanding of science could see coming a mile away. More vaxed = reduction in totalitarian measures = more social interaction. The problem is that the "experts" and the authorities did not communicate that these vaccines are non-sterilizing, so respiratory viruses gonna do what they do in the presence of people with leaky vaccinations having a higher level of social interaction.

[Skybird]

Robert Koch Institute, Germany (the German equivalent to the CDC):
what do you see?
You see how many hospitalizations per 100,000 people, listed for week 26 to 37.
Blue lines: age group 18-59
Black lines: age group above 60 years
Dotted lines: unvaccinated
Solid lines: 2x vaccinated


https://static.dw.com/image/59452854_7.png


Who still claims vaccines "do not work" and "do not make a difference", simply has missed the starting shot. There are 10 times less hospitalizations amongst vaccinated, and even higher factors.

[Jimbuna]

Hey Jim, I hope young James will have a full recovery. Wishing him all the best.

:salute:

Jim, I hope James gets well soon.

Thanks guys and by way of an update.

A few month ago James secured the post he has aimed for quite a while now, Harbour Pilot at the Port of Tees (Teesport). At the time of interview he was told he had been successful but the timescale for the post commencing was not until January 2022 due to the fact that positions rarely come up and usually only when a Pilot retires.

He informed his boss at the college he teaches at and very considerately imho gave three months notice instead of the one month contractually required.

He informed me his boss accepted his notice offer but looked like he was a little miffed.

Sooooooo...this morning he telephoned said boss informing him of the PCR result and the response went along the lines of "Sorry to hear of this but get well soon. I'm not sure if you'll qualify for full pay whilst on the sick because it is not work related"

James said he was willing to work from home because he had students course work to prepare for those he'd be teaching on his return to work, the response being "I shouldn't bother, rent some films and enjoy your time at home"

James then rang HR and the response was "You have offered to work from home so you will be paid your full salary whilst off"

James is rightly annoyed and said to me "I mightn't bother going back dad"

I've told him he should go back as soon as able therefore giving what was an alright manager (until he gave his notice) no opportunity to have a laugh at his/James expense and not to forget to inform him the Pilot position is almost three times his current salary and therefore twice as what his manager is currently earning.

James has agreed and I ended the conversation by saying "Don't forget to tell him your dad thinks he/the manager is as thick as mince"
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You may claw the cat but keep away from the kittens.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F-Ml9gHnqA

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E89taTH86_s

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/fL1hFBcd/121141986-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-19oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/N98V28PG)

[Jimbuna]

At a Downing Street news conference, Health Secretary Sajid Javid says Covid cases could reach 100,000 a day this winter.

Four million people in the UK have now had a Covid booster vaccine, the health secretary adds.

He also says the UK has bought 730,000 doses of two antiviral drugs that could help treat Covid - but they still need regulator approval.

A further 49,139 cases have been reported in the UK - meaning eight consecutive days of more than 40,000 cases.

Another 179 deaths within 28 days of a positive test have also been reported; deaths remain well below last winter's peak.

Health leaders say ministers' Covid Plan B, which would bring back social distancing rules, should be implemented to avoid a "winter crisis"

Morocco has banned flights to and from the UK, Germany, and Netherlands because of Covid.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/Rh9JNNLp/535fbaba-4509-4368-ac20-ccee929163fb.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

The NHS is under huge pressure at the moment, but it's sustainable, Health Minister Edward Argar says.

The vaccination programme has altered the dynamics in the pandemic between infections, hospitalisations and deaths, he says.

But doctors say an unacceptable level of Covid cases means ministers should trigger their Plan B for the pandemic this winter.

The British Medical Association says the government is being "wilfully negligent" for not reimposing Covid rules such as mandatory face masks.

Daily UK infections have been above 40,000 for more than a week.

The pandemic will last a year longer than it needs to because poorer countries are not getting the vaccines they need, the WHO says.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-AqBrboooI

[Rockstar]

The NHS is under huge pressure at the moment, but it's sustainable, Health Minister Edward Argar says.

The vaccination programme has altered the dynamics in the pandemic between infections, hospitalisations and deaths, he says.

But doctors say an unacceptable level of Covid cases means ministers should trigger their Plan B for the pandemic this winter.

The British Medical Association says the government is being "wilfully negligent" for not reimposing Covid rules such as mandatory face masks.

Daily UK infections have been above 40,000 for more than a week.

The pandemic will last a year longer than it needs to because poorer countries are not getting the vaccines they need, the WHO says.

Man you all have a mess over there.

Checking my CDC weekly tracker our rates are steadily dropping. Considering the population of a 325 or so million our numbers are I think substantially far below the U.K.

Seems the only thing we have in common now was the initial narrative of having to flatten the curve, that accomplished. We watch open totalitarianism emerge with continued lockdowns, restrictions, individual rights vanish and small businesses falling prey to government mandates while corporations thrive. Sadly the narrative has changed again and the emergency, hype and hysteria continues as headlines proclaiming the need to reign in the number of cases.

Meanwhile the virus isn’t going anywhere. In fact the virus is gonna do what any virus is gonna do. Weaken over time and survive and we’ll have COVID cases from now until our sun goes red and consumes the planet.