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Cybermat47
10-21-21, 10:36 AM
Someone tell the US that their crazies are leaking out:
Conservative host Candace Owens calls for US to invade Australia to free people from ‘tyranny’ (of not having more of my grandparents die thanks to COVID)
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/conservative-host-candace-owens-calls-for-us-to-invade-australia-to-free-people-from-tyranny/news-story/9a487acac0dbafefaa0945d2aa7284cc
3catcircus
10-21-21, 10:50 AM
Someone tell the US that their crazies are leaking out:
Conservative host Candace Owens calls for US to invade Australia to free people from ‘tyranny’ (of not having more of my grandparents die thanks to COVID)
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/conservative-host-candace-owens-calls-for-us-to-invade-australia-to-free-people-from-tyranny/news-story/9a487acac0dbafefaa0945d2aa7284cc
I have worked in Australia *extensively* over the past 10 years. While a bit hyperbolic, she's isn't wrong in the assessment that Australia's federal and state government are out of control with the ridiculousness of expecting zero COVID as achievable. This is because the vast majority of those in positions of authority in Australia are textbook-educated in their field of expertise but lack any practical experience - and this is coupled with a "safety" mindset that attempts to legislate safety at the expense of thinking and common sense.
The *only* reason they've been so aggressive in dealing with protestors and the average guy out walking his dog or taking a smoke break ("who has no legitimate reason for being outside)" is that Aussies did it to themselves when they allowed the authorities to disarm them.
Let's reiterate - you don't need anyone's permission to leave your home in a free democracy - regardless of whether there is a pandemic, roving bikie gangs, nuclear war, or a zombie apocalypse.
Cybermat47
10-21-21, 01:09 PM
-snip-
I’m not saying that our federal and state governments are above criticism - Scomo’s a scumbag who deserted his post during the fires - but saying that temporary restrictions that were lifted last week were comparable to Hitler or Stalin is just ridiculous. The actual shady stuff that the LNP is doing has to do with the internet and finances, not COVID. And a lot of the same people who support the lockdown measures can’t wait to kick Scomo back to Hawaii.
But my main point is that her idea of invading us is just lunacy. Would she be willing to have another country invade the USA to save them from their political issues?
Someone tell the US that their crazies are leaking out
I don't think she was suggesting we actually invade Australia. I think she was trying to point out the hypocrisy of invading Afghanistan "in the name of freedom" and then remaining completely silent as Australians are essentially imprisoned in their own homes.
But that wouldn't make a good headline ... :roll:
3catcircus
10-21-21, 01:32 PM
I’m not saying that our federal and state governments are above criticism - Scomo’s a scumbag who deserted his post during the fires - but saying that temporary restrictions that were lifted last week were comparable to Hitler or Stalin is just ridiculous. The actual shady stuff that the LNP is doing has to do with the internet and finances, not COVID. And a lot of the same people who support the lockdown measures can’t wait to kick Scomo back to Hawaii.
But my main point is that her idea of invading us is just lunacy. Would she be willing to have another country invade the USA to save them from their political issues?
As I said, it was hyperbolic to suggest invading, but the *reasons* for doing so aren't out of the bounds of reasonable understanding.
Should you have to tell a police officer why you are standing on your own footpath in front of your home? *That's* the level of ridiculousness she is referring to. Of course, the fact that government has been found to be in collusion with pharma via the former PM's wife and the former NSW Premier hasn't stopped the Commonwealth from demanding vaccines for all, no matter the consequences.
We *all* know that certain levels of government and big business and NGOs are *all* eating from the same trough - regardless of which nation - they're *all* in it to benefit themselves at the expense of the people they're allegedly representing. The *only* way this gets fixed without armed insurrection in western democracies is term limits.
Rand Paul was right — Anthony Fauci is a liar
by Becket Adams, Senior Commentary Writer | | October 21, 2021 05:44 PM
Dr. Anthony Fauci is a damned liar.
Don’t take my word for it. Take the word of the National Institutes of Health, which revealed this week the U.S. nongovernmental group EcoHealth Alliance violated its reporting rules while conducting bat coronavirus research in collaboration with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
In short, a federally funded nonprofit organization conducted gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. This is something that federal health officials, most notably National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci, assured everyone was a preposterous falsehood. Except it wasn't.
The NIAID funneled some $600,000 to the Wuhan Institute of Virology when Fauci served as the agency’s director.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/rand-paul-was-right-anthony-fauci-is-a-liar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=204&v=gGNKEIvLcjg&feature=emb_logo
Rockstar
10-22-21, 04:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=204&v=gGNKEIvLcjg&feature=emb_logo
Geez an actual real honest to goodness doctor said they refuse vaccination. A DOCTOR! But liberal Democrat totalitarian mandate nazis politicians decide otherwise..
I find nothing on the CDC weekly update that warrants such disgraceful hysteria and authoritarian measures.
Since there's isn't a link to an English version of this Danish article I'm using google translate
Start of article
City council candidate will start corona infection chain
Here we can help each other get infected with corona so we can develop natural immunity.
This is how co-founder of the political party Frihedslisten(Eng- List of freedom) and candidate for the Copenhagen City Council Per Brændgaard Mikkelsen writes in his newly created Facebook group, Smittekæden(Eng-The chain of infection), which currently has 111 members.
According to Brændgaard, he has been reported to the police due to his chain of infection stunt
On Thursday, Brændgaard announced that he himself had now been infected with the coronavirus by going out to a coronary heart disease and ingesting body fluids from him.
Subsequently, he has invited the group members to come and be infected by him in Østerbro. He had previously called the Infection Detection Center to seek advice on how he could be infected with coronavirus.
Whether he has actually been infected, however, is not entirely certain.
“I refuse to be tested. It is a way of bowing to the totalitarian state, «says Per Brændgaard Mikkelsen in a video on his website.
It is not yet known who allegedly reported Per Brændgaard to the police. In a video on his website, however, Brændgaard emphasizes what he thinks about the review
Dear police and military, open your eyes get into the fight and find out which side it is you want to fight for, "says vaccine skeptic Per Brændgaard, who believes that a global mafia is behind the corona pandemic.
End of article
Link to the Danish article
https://www.bt.dk/samfund/byraadskandidat-vil-starte-corona-smittekaede
Markus
Catfish
10-22-21, 05:18 PM
[...]
City council candidate will start corona infection chain
Here we can help each other get infected with corona so we can develop natural immunity. [...]
This is a good idea, one way to get rid of idiots.
Rockstar
10-22-21, 08:51 PM
Ya but most likely only 0.5 percent would be rid off. Id wager that most deaths will probably occur from the liberal fascist authoritarians when their blood pressure causes their hearts to explode while watching those people enjoying themselves.
Jimbuna
10-23-21, 05:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7inaTiDKaU
Jimbuna
10-23-21, 05:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz0I_v-ihsE
Jimbuna
10-23-21, 05:33 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/CLSDWyjH/121189166-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-22oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/t7vYxMvY)
Cybermat47
10-23-21, 10:01 AM
Id wager that most deaths will probably occur from the liberal fascist authoritarians when their blood pressure causes their hearts to explode while watching those people enjoying themselves.
bruh
froinchi
10-23-21, 03:05 PM
i laughed so hard to this topic's titles. "Apocalypse" and all of a sudden "vitamin d" . Who imagined that? :haha:
em2nought
10-23-21, 06:29 PM
Ya but most likely only 0.5 percent would be rid off. Id wager that most deaths will probably occur from the liberal fascist authoritarians when their blood pressure causes their hearts to explode while watching those people enjoying themselves.
We can hope. :D
Rockstar
10-23-21, 06:39 PM
It ticks me off when I read most western nations have stopped injecting children. Yet Democrats in California lead by Governor Mengele have made it a mandate.
Even though studies have shown children have higher chance being hospitalized for myocarditis than they will for COVID. The neo nazi democrats persist in harming children.
https://youtu.be/3ieLBd_VS0w
Cybermat47
10-23-21, 08:33 PM
Yet Democrats in California lead by Governor Mengele have made it a mandate.
The neo nazi democrats persist in harming children.
This has to be satire. You have to be a democrat-supporting troll trying to make conservatives look bad.
Jimbuna
10-24-21, 01:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RerKFYCVFVY
Rockstar
10-24-21, 01:20 PM
So we have CDC statistics that show only 5% of COVID related deaths were caused as direct result from COVID infection. The other 95% showed that those infected already had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel and were ready to go anyway. Take Colin Powell for example.
Now new studies are showing if elderly/comorbidity is involved risk of hospitalization and death are pretty much the same as if you were not vaccinated.
These mandates by totalitarian democrats have nothing to do with science or concerns for our health. They just a bunch authoritarian neo nazis out to make a buck through your misfortune. Let’s vaccinate those children there’s money to be made!
https://youtu.be/eQSDQ-QInh4
California Uber Alles
https://youtu.be/jrWflCJPM4w
Jimbuna
10-24-21, 01:28 PM
Doctors and health service leaders are warning the NHS is on the edge of a crisis, staff are burnt-out and Covid cases are rising sharply - but, in England, the government says there is no reason to change tack.
So far, ministers have refused to budge from their Plan A to deal with Covid this winter - which is to offer booster jabs and get more young people, including 12-15 year olds, vaccinated.
But there is growing pressure to move to its stricter Plan B - which would put England on a similar path to Scotland and Wales, where face coverings are still compulsory on public transport and in shops. People could also be advised to work from home and Covid passports introduced for entry to large events.
These are seen by some as relatively small changes to most people's lives and a very long way from the strict restrictions of earlier in the pandemic. And for some on the frontline, taking those actions now could make a huge difference in the long run.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58981586
If Boris is making the wrong call this could well become the reason for his downfall.
Rockstar
10-25-21, 10:58 AM
Speaking of COVID passports.
Public health or private wealth? How digital vaccine passports pave way for unprecedented surveillance capitalism
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/19/health-wealth-digital-passports-surveillance-capitalism/
As the military surveillance firm and NATO contractor Thales recently put it, vaccine passports “are a precursor to digital ID wallets.”
And as the CEO of iProove, a biometric ID company and Homeland Security contractor, emphasized to Forbes, “The evolution of vaccine certificates will actually drive the whole field of digital ID in the future. So, therefore, this is not just about Covid, this is about something even bigger.”
For the national security state, digital immunity passports promise unprecedented control over populations wherever such systems are implemented. Ann Cavoukian, the former privacy commissioner of Ontario, Canada has described the vaccine passport system already active in her province as “a new, inescapable web of surveillance with geolocation data being tracked everywhere.”
Now go get your boosters like obedient little people otherwise…
https://i.etsystatic.com/9634739/r/il/31152d/1975761424/il_570xN.1975761424_f8dw.jpg
Skybird
10-25-21, 11:32 AM
I wonder whether you are are fighting as feverous against electronic payments and credit cards and the war in cash money. Its at least as dangerous, imo even more, while at the same time triggering less resistence by people, which makes it more underhanded.
Jimbuna
10-25-21, 02:00 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/MHJrv7L2/121217578-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-25oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/WFS7ykjX)
Jimbuna
10-25-21, 02:02 PM
Why are UK cases so high?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58954793
Why are UK cases so high?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58954793
More important question, has the mortality rate increased?
Rockstar
10-26-21, 12:07 PM
The virus was a global pandemic before we knew it. It cannot be eradicated, it never could, which is contrary to the popular conspiracy theory of authoritarian Blue-anon liberals. The virus is gonna do what all virus do. Eventually become weaker and endemic. Meanwhile because of governor Mengele of California 1 in 5000 children will be hospitalized because of a stupid party mandates pandering for votes.
I bet they’ll soon have a martyrs wall with all the children's names who died from heart problems. They died for a good cause I’m sure, long live the party.
Subnuts
10-26-21, 12:38 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Selectively invoked nonsense.
California Uber Alles
https://youtu.be/jrWflCJPM4w
You, of all people, would know that Jello would castigate you mightily for mis-representing his thoughts and music. :yep:
Jello was outspoken during the early days of the AIDs pandemic, calling for more government action. Likewise, I highly doubt he would side with the Neanderthals and anti-vaxxer crowd, today. :yeah:
Use more time in locating appropriate music to make your point. Perhaps Ted Nugent's Cat Scratch Fever would be more fitting.
:O:
Jimbuna
10-27-21, 10:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkmXrHNEn5g
Jimbuna
10-27-21, 11:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwNgKJ-7YWQ
Jimbuna
10-27-21, 11:11 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/NMmvwpyh/121229945-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-26oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/G8L5FPJz)
Jimbuna
10-28-21, 09:01 AM
Just as winter approaches and the belief the virus infections will rise, along comes the latest brainwave idea.
The remaining seven countries on England's Covid travel red list are set to be removed, the BBC understands.
Passengers arriving from Colombia, Peru, Panama, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Venezuela and Ecuador will soon no longer have to quarantine in a hotel at their cost for 10 full days.
But there is no suggestion the policy is ending, and a country could be added back on the list if cases rise there.
More than 200,000 people have stayed quarantine in hotels since February.
The change has not officially been announced by the Department for Transport, but there have been reports that an announcement is expected later.
Previous changes to the travel lists have come into effect on the Monday or Tuesday following an announcement. The initial change will apply to England, with other UK nations able to set their own travel rules.
Pandemic travel rules in the UK were simplified earlier this month, with the amber list cut, and advice against holidays changed for many countries.
Fully vaccinated travellers arriving in England now need only have a lateral flow test on arrival. Arrivals in Scotland and Wales must have the more expensive PCR test although this will change on Sunday.
Red list countries are those the government said should not be visited "except in the most extreme of circumstances" because of the risk posed by Covid.
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland set their own travel rules and could chose to retain countries on their red lists.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59063818
Jimbuna
10-28-21, 09:04 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/1RLSYBSP/121243115-uk-card-with-vax-booster-27oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/7bMj5gbQ)
Jimbuna
10-30-21, 12:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hfq9gBkwBE
Jimbuna
10-30-21, 12:04 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/8PmbLV6J/121278927-uk-card-with-vax-booster-30oct-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/fJkXhp5D)
Jimbuna
10-31-21, 09:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrYj5VJKLIs
Jimbuna
11-01-21, 09:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOyB2PyRf-k
Skybird
11-01-21, 05:06 PM
US company Novavax asks EU authorities for licensing its new vaccine, which is based on traditional vaccine technologies. Hope is it will convince vaccination sceptics who are not opposed against vaccination in principle, just against the suspected malicous seeds in new mRNA vaccines.
The vaccine is already allowed in Indonesia since short time. Novavax also seeks licensing in Canda, Australia, the US. Rolling reviews for it are done since February or January this year.
Early results from February raised hopes that a third booster jab with Novavax after two earlier mRNA jabs does boost number of antibodies by factors of 4 and higher.
Jimbuna
11-02-21, 07:57 AM
Potentially positive development then.
Rockstar
11-02-21, 10:23 AM
Why? As it stands now deaths, cases, hospitalization, have all declined to the point of this being a non-event. Yet these calls for mass vaccinations because of some pseudo science belief which says this virus can be eradicated persist. It can’t be eradicated, it never could. Just like the Spanish flu it will shift to a less dangerous form and eventually become another flu among many. And vaccine will be made available to help the elderly and those at risk battle the virus like we do every season.
I can wholeheartedly agree making a COVID vaccine available as soon as possible to the elderly and those at risk due to comorbidities. But political mandates that it be forced upon perfectly healthy children and adults is imo utter nonsense. It’s imo a political power grab and fear mongers making a profit.
Skybird
11-02-21, 11:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-nPZETLTo
Rockstar
11-02-21, 01:45 PM
Mass Formation and Consequent Totalitarian Behavior in Homo Sapiens
https://larryturner.substack.com/p/mass-formation-and-consequent-totalitarian
“There’s a load lifted from his shoulders with the discovery of his disease.” (from Jethro Tull, "Thick as a Brick")
Aug 24
Introduction
While writing my April 27th posting regarding the disturbing apparent increase in frequency of individual adult-age immaturity within the US over the last 60 years or so, I kept wondering if the science of psychology has examined changes in group behavior consequent of such a shift in background (‘new normal’) human nature. I could find references discussing matters related to normal and abnormal individual psychology everywhere but nothing much to speak of concerning consequent group psychology and group behavior of homo sapiens.
A recently posted video link on Norman Pilon’s blog showed me that the science of psychology has not, after all, neglected group psychology. The video-taped interview of Dr. Mattias Desmet,1 a Belgian clinical psychology professor working at the University of Ghent,2 provides a description of an established predictive psychological model explaining the rapid emergence of rather odd and extreme behaviors in a wide variety of governments and their host populations coincident with the COVID19 virus pandemic.
Individual Ailments Beget Group Ailments
According to the group psychological model Desmet explains and describes,3 four different predisposing factors hosted by many individuals can emerge and combine at the group level to abruptly produce, and then unreflectingly and energetically support, totalitarian government actions.
You might recall that totalitarian states, when they have reached full-monty expansion, are characterized by political repression, very strong control of the economy, large-scale censorship and mass surveillance, limited freedom of movement, and the use of state terrorism. To varying degrees, all of these governmental characteristics have indeed been, and are being, exhibited in many Western nations and in some US states in response to the ongoing COVID19 pandemic.4
According to Desmet’s video taped presentation, the simultaneous existence of four factors in many members of a population prime a society for exhibition of the overly-focused (“tunneling”5) group and individual behavior that supports totalitarianism:
Social isolation;
A lack of sensemaking in individual lives;
Abundant presence of free-floating anxiety; and,
Similar (consequent) abundance of free-floating psychological discontent.
If these four factors are present in enough members of any given society, Desmet says the society in question is at risk for the ‘crystallizing’ action of “mass formation” where large numbers of discontented, anxious, confused, and isolated people simultaneously and suddenly seize upon some single apparent threat and give it their entire attention and energy. The basic reason for this attention and energy seizure, according to Desmet, is that putting focus on a single apparent threat provides immediate and palpable relief from a constellation of the longstanding chronic pressures of social isolation, lack of sensemaking, and free-floating anxiety and discontent. This mobilization of individual attention and energy against some single perceived threat unfortunately, according to Desmet’s explanation of the phenomena, segues easily into increasingly totalitarian government behavior….
https://larryturner.substack.com/p/mass-formation-and-consequent-totalitarian
Uh huh. Best to ignore Skybird's post, entirely, and drift off into something bizarre and non-sequitur. :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-02-21, 02:23 PM
As COVID "rages on" I had a cough last week that lasted 5 days. These aliments still exist. Funny, first cough elicits the question, "Do you have COVID?" :hmmm:
Being a symptom of a highly infectious disease that is currently a global pandemic, not really funny, at all.
AVGWarhawk
11-02-21, 02:58 PM
Being a symptom of a highly infectious disease that is currently a global pandemic, not really funny, at all.
I'm guessing you're the first one asking the question.
To be honest, does anyone of us have a degree in virology or medicin ? Some of you may have some knowledge
It is therefore wrong to reject the fact that Covid-19 is real.
Markus
I'm guessing you're the first one asking the question.
You're right about one thing ... you are guessing. :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-02-21, 03:40 PM
To be honest, does anyone of us have a degree in virology or medicin ? Some of you may have some knowledge
It is therefore wrong to reject the fact that Covid-19 is real.
Markus
It's definitely real. So is the common cold and flu.
It's definitely real. So is the common cold and flu.
Well, now that we've established reality and all ... do you get easily offended when asked such? There are some places (hospitals, clinics, etc.) which will ask you a battery of questions without you even coughing (in order to protect others). An individual may, if they are concerned. So, is it the question that bothers you or is it the reality? As for me, I answer the questions, honestly, and go on with life. :shucks:
Rockstar
11-02-21, 03:58 PM
Having been vaccinated for just about everything under the sun from Measles, Malaria, COVID, Anthrax and a multitude of other cooties. I have no problem understanding the usefulness of vaccines. But I do NOT think for a moment they are meant for everyone nor should they forced.
Pandemics generally began with infection fatality rates higher than observed in the years following their introduction as the viruses continued to circulate. While declining fatality rates after pandemics may be due to a number of factors, one likely key contributor is that the first round of exposure to a pathogen confers some degree of protection against reinfection and severity of disease if reinfection does occur.
Do vaccines help yes but so does natural immunity as we have seen from previous reports indicating close to 49% of the U.S. population had COVID antibodies at the time only 16% percent had been vaccinated.
Sorry to say but as CDC weekly update indicate cases, hospitalizations and deaths have been in decline for sometime now. But politicians keep the virus alive with on going mandates and controlling private business practice and running small businesses out of business.
… From this state of mental intoxication you can explain all of the rest of the phenomena of totalitarianism. The mental intoxication leads to a narrowing of the field of attention, it makes people only see what is indicated by the [mainstream] narrative. For instance, they see the victims of the corona virus, but do not seem to see at the cognitive level the collateral damage of the victims claimed by the lockdowns.
Hard to find balance when the vast majority of people’s attention seem so focused on one thing. The believe in the pseudo science of force vaccinating everyone so we can eradicate the virus. Not gonna happen.
Having a non-scientist on a submarine game forum try to explain to me that science is 'pseudo-science' is not terribly convincing. :shucks:
Around 22000 Danes who was fully vaccinated got infected, which is approx. 0.5 of the number of vaccinated out of these 22000 infected, 800-something had to seek hospital and 133 of them died from Covid-19 infection.
Markus
Well, now that we've established reality and all ... do you get easily offended when asked such? There are some places (hospitals, clinics, etc.) which will ask you a battery of questions without you even coughing (in order to protect others). An individual may, if they are concerned. So, is it the question that bothers you or is it the reality? As for me, I answer the questions, honestly, and go on with life. :shucks:
My health status is no ones business but mine and my doctor.
My health status is no ones business but mine and my doctor.
This isn't Hippa we're discussing. Of course you don't have to reveal anything if you don't want to. If the situation involves policy of access versus no access you also may have to suffer the consequences of not having answered the questions in a forthright manner. If its merely a concerned individual, they may ask you to back away 6 feet if you are unmasked and unwilling to honestly answer. It's simple and it doesn't harm you to do so. Less 'Karen' is good all around. :shucks:
with a less than 2% mortality rate, your "mandates" are nothing more than an assault on individual freedom. Karen has nothing to do with it.
with a less than 2% mortality rate, your "mandates" are nothing more than an assault on individual freedom. Karen has nothing to do with it.
My mandates ... Karen?
Cybermat47
11-03-21, 05:31 AM
I can wholeheartedly agree making a COVID vaccine available as soon as possible to the elderly and those at risk due to comorbidities. But political mandates that it be forced upon perfectly healthy children and adults is imo utter nonsense. It’s imo a political power grab and fear mongers making a profit.
Very young children have weaker immune systems than adults, so shouldn’t they get the vaccine as well?
Skybird
11-03-21, 06:02 AM
As a matter of fact we have more children and teenager in hospitals over r here than last year at this time of the year. Serious cases.
There is a follow-on effect. Becasue the Covid 19 poandemic has lasted so long now, measurements against it have helped to "de-train" the immune sdystem of everbyody and of children especially, too. Thats why additonally to the Covid-induced surge of children flooding the hopsitals, we also see many children suffering hospitalizations from other infects of the breathing system, as well as other deseases. this is no arghument to not maintain Covid-19 measurements, it is exactly the opposite: an argument to do what can be done to make the pandemic last short. Preferrably without having the masses drawing lots who has to suffer hospitalizations and ICU.
Natural immunity is all nice and well. Until on the way there it is your family suffering losses.
Get those damn vaccinations, idiots. Shifts probabilities in your and everybody's favour.
AVGWarhawk
11-03-21, 07:55 AM
Well, now that we've established reality and all ... do you get easily offended when asked such? There are some places (hospitals, clinics, etc.) which will ask you a battery of questions without you even coughing (in order to protect others). An individual may, if they are concerned. So, is it the question that bothers you or is it the reality? As for me, I answer the questions, honestly, and go on with life. :shucks:
You assume too much. Nothing offends me these days. I was answering the question. COVID is real. I'm not sure what was lost in translation.
There are some hospitals and specialists that ask nothing when arriving to an appointment. In fact, of the numerous medical visits my wife and I have had in the past year just one asked if my wife was vaccinated and if not does she want it. What is your point?
Masks are told to be worn for those that cough or may be around others that may cough. Maybe that is something you missed?
You assume too much. Nothing offends me these days. I was answering the question. COVID is real. I'm not sure what was lost in translation.
There are some hospitals and specialists that ask nothing when arriving to an appointment. In fact, of the numerous medical visits my wife and I have had in the past year just one asked if my wife was vaccinated and if not does she want it. What is your point?
Masks are told to be worn for those that cough or may be around others that may cough. Maybe that is something you missed?
Talk about assumption. :shucks:
Rockstar
11-03-21, 11:10 AM
Very young children have weaker immune systems than adults, so shouldn’t they get the vaccine as well?
That is up to the parents and their doctor. Not you, me or politicians.
Skybird
11-03-21, 11:57 AM
Not if attending school in presence is mandatory and Family A's spoiled but healthy brat is demanded to sit next to family B's spoiled and very infested plague carrier, spitting the virus on him or her and thus having brat A bringing the bug back home to family A as well.
Your freedom ends where you put others at risk or force others to share risk and consequences that you have chosen for yourself. You represent the risk - YOU and nobody else has to stay away. And if you don't, you must accept to get asked/controlled/tested. And whether you like it or not interests nobody. The problem is not the others. The problem is YOU.
Jimbuna
11-03-21, 12:08 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/fbqtCKcm/121318388-uk-card-with-vax-booster-02nov-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/1g635DY3)
Your freedom ends where you put others at risk or force others to share risk and consequences that you have chosen for yourself. You represent the risk - YOU and nobody else has to stay away. And if you don't, you must accept to get asked/controlled/tested. And whether you like it or not interests nobody. The problem is not the others. The problem is YOU.
Agree with Skybird in this.
It's you who are solely responsible in this epidemic and not your neighbour.
Like I'm responsible towards others.
non responsible behavior could cost life
Markus
AVGWarhawk
11-03-21, 01:21 PM
Not if attending school in presence is mandatory and Family A's spoiled but healthy brat is demanded to sit next to family B's spoiled and very infested plague carrier, spitting the virus on him or her and thus having brat A bringing the bug back home to family A as well.
Your freedom ends where you put others at risk or force others to share risk and consequences that you have chosen for yourself. You represent the risk - YOU and nobody else has to stay away. And if you don't, you must accept to get asked/controlled/tested. And whether you like it or not interests nobody. The problem is not the others. The problem is YOU.
I thought the vaccine was to protect you. Not others. :hmmm:
I thought the vaccine was to protect you. Not others. :hmmm:
Apparently they protect nobody vaxxed or not. I'm glad that I now have natural immunity as it's the only real vaccination you can get for the China flu.
AVGWarhawk
11-03-21, 01:43 PM
Apparently they protect nobody vaxxed or not. I'm glad that I now have natural immunity as it's the only real vaccination you can get for the China flu.
The idea of herd immunity was wishful thinking. Specifically when the great minds repeatedly answered questions with, "We don't know". Creating this idea that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated was wrong. Notice Biden no longer says it. Yet, he pushes a mandate. Fully accepting this mandate sets a precedence for the future. Again, the vaccine it protect those that have had it administered. The pointing of fingers at those unvaccinated does exactly what?
And Arlo 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.......
There are those who refuse to take the vaccine and among these there is those who take no responsibility in their behavior.
Natural immunity is far better than the vaccine-This does not mean that you should try get infected-NO the aftermath from a covid-19 infection can be severe, it's better to get these jabs instead.
A survey here in Denmark have shown that the immunity from the vaccines vanish after 6-8 month. There was almost no anti-thing in the blood of the Danes who got two shots from Moderna.
This is why elderly and vulnerable people get this third booster shot.
The comment above is based on what I've seen, heard and read in Danish mainstream media.
Markus
AVGWarhawk
11-03-21, 02:04 PM
There are those who refuse to take the vaccine and among these there is those who take no responsibility in their behavior.
Markus
Of what use is a vaccine that does not prevent a vaccinated person from contracting the virus the vaccine was created for?
Of what use is a vaccine that does not prevent a vaccinated person from contracting the virus the vaccine was created for?
How high is the risk to get infected by Corona
when you are vaccinated than those who aren't ?
Let 100 Vaccinated and 100 unvaccinated be in a room with a couple who are infected. Let them be there for an hour.
How many of both will be infected ?
Markus
AVGWarhawk
11-03-21, 02:17 PM
How high is the risk to get infected by Corona
when you are vaccinated than those who aren't ?
Let 100 Vaccinated and 100 unvaccinated be in a room with a couple who are infected. Let them be there for an hour.
How many of both will be infected ?
Markus
200 will be infected. Some will have not symptoms. Other unvaccinated will get the full affect of COVID or maybe a mild case. The vaccinated are not immune to contracting the virus as we now know. These 100 vaccinated will be infected but will recover quickly.
200 will be infected. Some will have not symptoms. Other unvaccinated will get the full affect of COVID or maybe a mild case. The vaccinated are not immune to contracting the virus as we now know. These 100 vaccinated will be infected but will recover quickly.
Can see I wrote it wrong.
How many of those who are vaccinated and those who aren't will develop Covid-19 from a Corona infection ?
Markus
AVGWarhawk
11-03-21, 02:35 PM
Can see I wrote it wrong.
How many of those who are vaccinated and those who aren't will develop Covid-19 from a Corona infection ?
Markus
200 will be infected. The vaccine does not prevent contracting COVID-19. The vaccine only lessens the time for recovery. Makes the symptoms less severe.
200 will be infected. The vaccine does not prevent contracting COVID-19. The vaccine only lessens the time for recovery. Makes the symptoms less severe.
Then I must have remembered wrong.
´cause I thought it was 65-85 % protection from getting infected and 75-95 % protecting from getting severe sick from this infection.
Could be wrong thou
Markus
Skybird
11-03-21, 02:42 PM
I thought the vaccine was to protect you. Not others. :hmmm:
For the felt one hundred thousandth time I explain it: The vaccine does not save you from infection, it instead does reduce - dramatically - the probability of you suffering a serious case in case oyu get infected that commands hospitalization and ICU and sees you ending up with a solid probability for not surviving. It does reduce the risk of getting infected, but not as overwhelmingly.
For the repeated time, I explain it like this: When you drive, fastening your seatbelt does not protect you against having an accident, own-caused or caused by somebody else. You can fasten seatbelts and nevertheless have a truck slamming into your rear or you driving against a tree. The seatbelt however reliably saves you from flying through the windshield, slitting your throat and artery and bleeding to death. You still see dead traffic accident victims with closed seatbelts. Point is: without seatbelts you would see multiple times as many killed.
If these poitns are not good enough to convince somebody, okay, let him go to hell, why should others care. The many however have all the right in the world to care for not getting harmed by those stupid few.
Originator principle is valid. You raise a risk for others? You have to step back and let it be. Not them - YOU. The others have any righ there is to self defend against you, or sanctionise you if do not stop and do not stay away.
AVGWarhawk
11-03-21, 02:44 PM
Then I must have remembered wrong.
´cause I thought it was 65-85 % protection from getting infected and 75-95 % protecting from getting severe sick from this infection.
Could be wrong thou
Markus
It is not a matter of right or wrong. The vaccine has been found to not prevent infection. It only helps resolve the affects quickly. All 200 in this room can possibly pick up the virus and its affects. I know quite a few that have gotten COVID after getting the vaccine. They all suffered loss of taste and the other symptoms. The symptoms not as severe. So, this idea of herd immunity was a pipe dream at best. Specifically if animals can contact the virus. We simply can not vaccine our way out of this.
Understanding How COVID-19 Vaccines Work
What You Need to Know
COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
You may have side effects after vaccination, but these are normal.
It typically takes two weeks after you are fully vaccinated for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19.
If you are not vaccinated, find a vaccine. Keep taking all precautions until you are fully vaccinated.
If you are fully vaccinated you can resume many activities that you did before the pandemic, but you should wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission to maximize protection from the Delta variant and possibly spreading it to others.
The Immune System—the Body’s Defense Against Infection
To understand how COVID-19 vaccines work, it helps to first look at how our bodies fight illness. When germs, such as the virus that causes COVID-19, invade our bodies, they attack and multiply. This invasion, called an infection, is what causes illness. Our immune system uses several tools to fight infection. Blood contains red cells, which carry oxygen to tissues and organs, and white or immune cells, which fight infection. Different types of white blood cells fight infection in different ways:
Macrophages are white blood cells that swallow up and digest germs and dead or dying cells. The macrophages leave behind parts of the invading germs, called “antigens”. The body identifies antigens as dangerous and stimulates antibodies to attack them.
B-lymphocytes are defensive white blood cells. They produce antibodies that attack the pieces of the virus left behind by the macrophages.
T-lymphocytes are another type of defensive white blood cell. They attack cells in the body that have already been infected.
The first time a person is infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, it can take several days or weeks for their body to make and use all the germ-fighting tools needed to get over the infection. After the infection, the person’s immune system remembers what it learned about how to protect the body against that disease.
The body keeps a few T-lymphocytes, called “memory cells,” that go into action quickly if the body encounters the same virus again. When the familiar antigens are detected, B-lymphocytes produce antibodies to attack them. Experts are still learning how long these memory cells protect a person against the virus that causes COVID-19.
How COVID-19 Vaccines Work
COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness.
COVID vaccine
Different types of vaccines work in different ways to offer protection. But with all types of vaccines, the body is left with a supply of “memory” T-lymphocytes as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus in the future.
It typically takes a few weeks after vaccination for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes. Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection.
Sometimes after vaccination, the process of building immunity can cause symptoms, such as fever. These symptoms are normal and are signs that the body is building immunity.
Types of Vaccines
Currently, there are three main types of COVID-19 vaccines that are authorized and recommended or undergoing large-scale (Phase 3) clinical trials in the United States.
Below is a description of how each type of vaccine prompts our bodies to recognize and protect us from the virus that causes COVID-19. None of these vaccines can give you COVID-19.
mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19 that gives our cells instructions for how to make a harmless protein that is unique to the virus. After our cells make copies of the protein, they destroy the genetic material from the vaccine. Our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.
Protein subunit vaccines include harmless pieces (proteins) of the virus that causes COVID-19 instead of the entire germ. Once vaccinated, our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and antibodies that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.
Vector vaccines contain a modified version of a different virus than the one that causes COVID-19. Inside the shell of the modified virus, there is material from the virus that causes COVID-19. This is called a “viral vector.” Once the viral vector is inside our cells, the genetic material gives cells instructions to make a protein that is unique to the virus that causes COVID-19. Using these instructions, our cells make copies of the protein. This prompts our bodies to build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus if we are infected in the future.
Some COVID-19 Vaccines Require More Than One Shot
To be fully vaccinated, you will need two shots of some COVID-19 vaccines.
Two shots: If you get a COVID-19 vaccine that requires two shots, you are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after your second shot. Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines require two shots.
One Shot: If you get a COVID-19 vaccine that requires one shot, you are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after your shot. Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 vaccine only requires one shot.
If it has been less than two weeks since your shot, or if you still need to get your second shot, you are NOT fully protected. Keep taking steps to protect yourself and others until you are fully vaccinated (two weeks after your final shot).
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html?s_cid=10491:how%20the%20covid%20vaccine% 20works:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21
So, as you can (or should) see, the vaccines offer a way to boost your system with tools to fight the virus. No vaccine was ever designed to totally 'virus proof' anyone. They aren't 'armor' or 'cellophane wrap' ... think of them as a way to help your 'natural immunity' to begin before actual infection. Once infected, your body already has a head start, if you will.
AVGWarhawk in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...
(Oh, and you're welcome.) :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-03-21, 02:50 PM
For the felt one hundred thousandth time I explain it: The vaccine does not save you from infection, it instead does reduce - dramatically - the probability of you suffering a serious case in case oyu get infected that commands hospitalization and ICU and sees you ending up with a solid probability for not surviving. It does reduce the risk of getting infected, but not as overwhelmingly.
For the repeated time, I explain it like this: When you drive, fastening your seatbelt does not protect you against having an accident, own-caused or caused by somebody else. You can fasten seatbelts and nevertheless have a truck slamming into your rear or you driving against a tree. The seatbelt however reliably saves you from flying through the windshield, slitting your throat and artery and bleeding to death. You still see dead traffic accident victims with closed seatbelts. Point is: without seatbelts you would see multiple times as many killed.
If these poitns are not good enough to convince somebody, okay, let him go to hell, why should others care. The many however have all the right in the world to care for not getting harmed by those stupid few.
Originator principle is valid. You raise a risk for others? You have to step back and let it be. Not them - YOU. The others have any righ there is to self defend against you, or sanctionise you if do not stop and do not stay away.
Skybird, read all of my posts. It will save you a lot of keyboard time. Furthermore, how is the unvaccinated risking others? Step back and read your first paragraph in this very post. The vaccine helps the vaccinated. The vaccine protects the vaccinated from sever affects. The vaccine job is to protect YOU! A vaccinated you can carry the virus. Infect others and basically make you no better than unvaccinated person. Only exception, you get better faster. For those that do not want to wear a seatbelt, so be it. For those that do not want the vaccine, so be it. Either scenario can be deadly to this individual.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/16/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-work-protect-others/8106810002/
(Again, you're welcome.) :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-03-21, 02:56 PM
Understanding How COVID-19 Vaccines Work
What You Need to Know
COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
You may have side effects after vaccination, but these are normal.
It typically takes two weeks after you are fully vaccinated for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19.
If you are not vaccinated, find a vaccine. Keep taking all precautions until you are fully vaccinated.
If you are fully vaccinated you can resume many activities that you did before the pandemic, but you should wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission to maximize protection from the Delta variant and possibly spreading it to others.
The Immune System—the Body’s Defense Against Infection
To understand how COVID-19 vaccines work, it helps to first look at how our bodies fight illness. When germs, such as the virus that causes COVID-19, invade our bodies, they attack and multiply. This invasion, called an infection, is what causes illness. Our immune system uses several tools to fight infection. Blood contains red cells, which carry oxygen to tissues and organs, and white or immune cells, which fight infection. Different types of white blood cells fight infection in different ways:
Macrophages are white blood cells that swallow up and digest germs and dead or dying cells. The macrophages leave behind parts of the invading germs, called “antigens”. The body identifies antigens as dangerous and stimulates antibodies to attack them.
B-lymphocytes are defensive white blood cells. They produce antibodies that attack the pieces of the virus left behind by the macrophages.
T-lymphocytes are another type of defensive white blood cell. They attack cells in the body that have already been infected.
The first time a person is infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, it can take several days or weeks for their body to make and use all the germ-fighting tools needed to get over the infection. After the infection, the person’s immune system remembers what it learned about how to protect the body against that disease.
The body keeps a few T-lymphocytes, called “memory cells,” that go into action quickly if the body encounters the same virus again. When the familiar antigens are detected, B-lymphocytes produce antibodies to attack them. Experts are still learning how long these memory cells protect a person against the virus that causes COVID-19.
How COVID-19 Vaccines Work
COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness.
COVID vaccine
Different types of vaccines work in different ways to offer protection. But with all types of vaccines, the body is left with a supply of “memory” T-lymphocytes as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus in the future.
It typically takes a few weeks after vaccination for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes. Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection.
Sometimes after vaccination, the process of building immunity can cause symptoms, such as fever. These symptoms are normal and are signs that the body is building immunity.
Types of Vaccines
Currently, there are three main types of COVID-19 vaccines that are authorized and recommended or undergoing large-scale (Phase 3) clinical trials in the United States.
Below is a description of how each type of vaccine prompts our bodies to recognize and protect us from the virus that causes COVID-19. None of these vaccines can give you COVID-19.
mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19 that gives our cells instructions for how to make a harmless protein that is unique to the virus. After our cells make copies of the protein, they destroy the genetic material from the vaccine. Our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.
Protein subunit vaccines include harmless pieces (proteins) of the virus that causes COVID-19 instead of the entire germ. Once vaccinated, our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and antibodies that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.
Vector vaccines contain a modified version of a different virus than the one that causes COVID-19. Inside the shell of the modified virus, there is material from the virus that causes COVID-19. This is called a “viral vector.” Once the viral vector is inside our cells, the genetic material gives cells instructions to make a protein that is unique to the virus that causes COVID-19. Using these instructions, our cells make copies of the protein. This prompts our bodies to build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus if we are infected in the future.
Some COVID-19 Vaccines Require More Than One Shot
To be fully vaccinated, you will need two shots of some COVID-19 vaccines.
Two shots: If you get a COVID-19 vaccine that requires two shots, you are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after your second shot. Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines require two shots.
One Shot: If you get a COVID-19 vaccine that requires one shot, you are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after your shot. Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 vaccine only requires one shot.
If it has been less than two weeks since your shot, or if you still need to get your second shot, you are NOT fully protected. Keep taking steps to protect yourself and others until you are fully vaccinated (two weeks after your final shot).
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html?s_cid=10491:how%20the%20covid%20vaccine% 20works:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21
So, as you can (or should) see, the vaccines offer a way to boost your system with tools to fight the virus. No vaccine was ever designed to totally 'virus proof' anyone. They aren't 'armor' or 'cellophane wrap' ... think of them as a way to help your 'natural immunity' to begin before actual infection. Once infected, your body already has a head start, if you will.
AVGWarhawk in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...
(Oh, and you're welcome.) :shucks:
Like clock work this one.
Sadly, these vaccines were sold by the good old government as armor. You will not get sick with this vaccine. This followed by, "We don't know." from the great minds. Never should have gone down that way. The vaccine administered. Masks, social distancing, and hand washing to continue. People dropped their guard as a result of bad selling of the vaccine and what it could do in an atmosphere full of the unknown.
Ah, the total lack of appreciation. Well, I suppose one mustn't ever concede when they have what they consider to be a perfect point and a crusade to fight.
https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/b991dfe332217472b3e2ccade5fac796.jpg
AVGWarhawk
11-03-21, 03:15 PM
Ah, the total lack of appreciation. Well, I suppose one mustn't ever concede when they have what they consider to be a perfect point and a crusade to fight.
https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/b991dfe332217472b3e2ccade5fac796.jpg
Never said I'm anti-vaccine. Did we not just have a conversation about assuming? You may have all the jabs you like. I will get mine when I'm damn good and ready. :03:
Never said I'm anti-vaccine. Did we not just have a conversation about assuming? You may have all the jabs you like. I will get mine when I'm damn good and ready. :03:
Relax, `ol boy. I'm not trying to convince you that licking rats is a bad thing. I wouldn't dare waste my time on such. :shucks:
Skybird
11-03-21, 03:24 PM
Skybird, read all of my posts. It will save you a lot of keyboard time. Furthermore, how is the unvaccinated risking others? Step back and read your first paragraph in this very post. The vaccine helps the vaccinated. The vaccine protects the vaccinated from sever affects. The vaccine job is to protect YOU! A vaccinated you can carry the virus. Infect others and basically make you no better than unvaccinated person. Only exception, you get better faster. For those that do not want to wear a seatbelt, so be it. For those that do not want the vaccine, so be it. Either scenario can be deadly to this individual.
Read what i actually said. I said the vaccine does dramatically reduce the probability for suffering a serious cause if you get infected - and it reducues the chance of getting infected in the first, just not to a similiar great proability. Against Delta, that is. With earlier strains, the probabiulity of avodij ng ifneciton in the first was much bigger, too.
Its not "either this effect or that effect". Its both effects, just that their quality is wider apart. Even the smaller probability for avoiding getting infected still has a signficiant effect on slowing down the pandemic and reducing the infection activity level.
A thought
A vaccinated can get infected without showing any symptoms.
Do these people take a Corona test now and then ? No why should they-they are vaccinated and believe they are protected.
Markus
A thought
A vaccinated can get infected without showing any symptoms.
Do these people take a Corona test now and then ? No why should they-they are vaccinated and believe they are protected.
Markus
It's not always up to them. Here (in this city and state of the U.S.) Covid testing is currently denied to anyone not showing symptoms. I know, crazy, right? :shucks:
200 will be infected. Some will have not symptoms. Other unvaccinated will get the full affect of COVID or maybe a mild case. The vaccinated are not immune to contracting the virus as we now know. These 100 vaccinated will be infected but will recover quickly.
You mean SOME of the 100 infected vaxxers will recover quickly. Some of them will also die, which proves that at least for them, the vaccines did not work at all.
Also some of both the vaccinated and non-vaccinated in the group may have natural immunity but since the powers that be don't want to track or test for that we don't know how many (if any at all) of your 200 will have already had the disease at some point and that will also affect the numbers.
Approximately 4 of the 200 infected people will die, depending on what part of the world you live in. If they live in the U.S. 2-3 people will die, if they live in Bosnia-Herzegovina, 8 or 9 will die.
What is the death level you would find unacceptable? Does that fluctuate with direct proximity? :shucks:
Skybird
11-03-21, 05:55 PM
And its not just the death level. Its Long Covid. Years-later appearing mortality implications. Flooding of ICU stations. Fallout from that regarding generla health service provision and delayed medical and surgical treatments. Personnel not able to work and business fallout from that.
The fixiation on death rate alone still is inconsistent in itself. And beyond that just one part of the many, many implications. A rat tail of implications, a rat tail with many, many ends.
Covid 19 is the third-most lethal mass pandemic of modern history (after AIDS and the Spanish Flu). Current official lethality is calculated at around 2.2%. Globally, officailly counted numbers read 5 million. The WHO estimates the real number is 2 - 3.5 times as high. 2009 the swine flu was the to-see event. Officially 18500 people died. The Lancet later reported that the real death number must have been between 151.700 and 575.400.
A hypothetical exmaple. Lets assume the swine flu caused the average between the minimum and maximum the Lancet reported, that would be around 363,000. We end roughly with a result that is 19 times higher than the official number. Lets assume that to be a reasonable factor to be applied to the official Covid death count. And you have 95 million dead.
I dont say it was this bad, becasue I simpyl do not know. But the Lancet showed back then reaoisnable arugments why the offiocial numbers have been dramatzically underestmated. And most dying today takes place in the third world with its under-optimised health systems and monitoring systems. And there is polticla will to not klet govenrment appear to be helpless idiots who could not do nothing, there is political will to not let numbers appear to be too high.
I am certain of onyl one thing, however: the real death toll is several times as high than the official counting. And whether the factor is 9 or 19 - is that really a difference from a moral point of view?
What is the death level you would find unacceptable? Does that fluctuate with direct proximity? :shucks:
irrelevant, it is what it is, and no mask, vaccine, or social distancing mandate is going to put this genie back in the bottle. The powers that be need to realize that and move on.
irrelevant, it is what it is, and no mask, vaccine, or social distancing mandate is going to put this genie back in the bottle. The powers that be need to realize that and move on.
So, basically, 'death is irrelevant and no measure can or should be taken to reduce or alleviate it'. Heaven forbid governments or anything given the responsibility or authority of leadership 'realize that and move on'. That's more along the lines of a Covid worshipping death cult thing (as I've said here before).
Not that my perspective should make a dent on yours. :shucks:
Jimbuna
11-04-21, 06:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdmb5NFiEW0
Jimbuna
11-04-21, 06:41 AM
The first pill designed to treat symptomatic Covid has been approved by the UK medicines regulator.
The tablet - molnupiravir - will be given twice a day to vulnerable patients recently diagnosed with the disease.
In clinical trials the pill, originally developed to treat flu, cut the risk of hospitalisation or death by about half.
Health secretary Sajid Javid said the treatment was a "gamechanger" for the most frail and immunosuppressed.
In a statement he said: "Today is a historic day for our country, as the UK is now the first country in the world to approve an antiviral that can be taken at home for Covid."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59163899
Jimbuna
11-04-21, 06:45 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/HxD4pDzW/121341623-uk-card-with-vax-booster-03nov-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/VSgbRh22)
Remove the Unvaccinated From Society, Says Radical Leftist Noam Chomsky
by Kyle Schmidbauer October 26, 2021in Current Events, Opinion
........Chomsky’s entire case is predicated on the notion that the unvaccinated pose an existential threat to the vaccinated, which is a blatant lie.
It’s a lie for the simple reason that the vaccines, by and large, work. Breakthrough infections are exceedingly rare, and deaths from breakthrough infections are even rarer. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, out of some 220.5 million Americans who have received at least one COVID vaccine dose, only 10,857 have died from breakthrough infections — that translates to around .005% of the vaccinated population. Simply put, the vaccinated have a minimal chance of dying of COVID, and scapegoating the unvaccinated for the breakthrough infections that do happen is little more than a crock of tribalistic nonsense.
Tribalism leads us into the crux of Chomsky’s argument, which is that societies should make a conscious decision completely ostracize those who refuse vaccination. It goes without saying that this is morally reprehensible by nature. You don’t get to deny people participation in society because they refuse to entertain your perverted, draconian public health theater.
Yet that’s exactly what the left are doing. They’re mandating vaccines and pushing vaccine passports, all while continuing to demand that you still wear a mask in public and regularly submit to testing. And if you take issue with any of it, surmise the left, it is because you are evil and unfeeling — therefore, you are expendable and ought to be treated as such.
And once you discount the perceived threat to the vaccinated as being purely political in nature, it lays bare the fact that this is the issue at hand. It’s the driving philosophy behind a huge chunk of the COVID agenda that the left are pushing, and it’s coming straight from the mouth of one of their idols.
https://thelibertyloft.com/2021/10/26/remove-the-unvaccinated-from-society-says-radical-leftist-noam-chomsky/
So, basically, 'death is irrelevant and no measure can or should be taken to reduce or alleviate it'. Heaven forbid governments or anything given the responsibility or authority of leadership 'realize that and move on'. That's more along the lines of a Covid worshipping death cult thing (as I've said here before).
Not that my perspective should make a dent on yours. :shucks:
You are projecting again. what is irrelevant are my "feelings" on the "number of deaths I find acceptable."
You are projecting again. what is irrelevant are my "feelings" on the "number of deaths I find acceptable."
Doesn't seem like projecting. You obviously find the current death rate/count quite acceptable (what's currently an unknown is how far you would continue to do so if it climbs) and you continuously try to present its relevance. I'll just take you as you present yourself. Nothing I can do about that. *ShruG*
Since we seem stalemated on the subject I should just silently SMH the next thousand or so times you remind everyone here that the percentages are acceptable yet the measures being taken are not. :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-04-21, 10:19 AM
The first pill designed to treat symptomatic Covid has been approved by the UK medicines regulator.
The tablet - molnupiravir - will be given twice a day to vulnerable patients recently diagnosed with the disease.
In clinical trials the pill, originally developed to treat flu, cut the risk of hospitalisation or death by about half.
Health secretary Sajid Javid said the treatment was a "gamechanger" for the most frail and immunosuppressed.
In a statement he said: "Today is a historic day for our country, as the UK is now the first country in the world to approve an antiviral that can be taken at home for Covid."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59163899
That is good news, Jim. Honestly, it appeared everyone's hat was being placed on a vaccine only. The need for development of a drug after the fact of contracting COVID was not even a thought. Now it is! Wonderful! Thanks for posting!
Honestly, it appeared everyone's hat was being placed on a vaccine only. The need for development of a drug after the fact of contracting COVID was not even a thought.
I really don't know how you reached that conclusion. Obviously a vaccine would the the first line defense to mitigate the virus and improved treatment would be the logical follow-up. I've never seen anyone suggest otherwise. What I have seen is the efficacy of some 'treatments' (drugs used for other ailments/species) questioned. :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-04-21, 10:34 AM
Relax, `ol boy. I'm not trying to convince you that licking rats is a bad thing. I wouldn't dare waste my time on such. :shucks:
Licking rats....I think I just burped up some chunky stuff reading that. :oops:
AVGWarhawk
11-04-21, 10:38 AM
Read what i actually said. I said the vaccine does dramatically reduce the probability for suffering a serious cause if you get infected - and it reducues the chance of getting infected in the first, just not to a similiar great proability. Against Delta, that is. With earlier strains, the probabiulity of avodij ng ifneciton in the first was much bigger, too.
Its not "either this effect or that effect". Its both effects, just that their quality is wider apart. Even the smaller probability for avoiding getting infected still has a signficiant effect on slowing down the pandemic and reducing the infection activity level.
I understand the vaccine reduces suffering. Does the vaccine reduce the chance of getting infected? It is found vaccinated contract with symptoms or no symptoms at all. I will stand by my statement that masks, social distancing, and hand washing should have been advised after the vaccine was administered. Reason being there was to much, "We don't know" going on.
masks, social distancing, and hand washing should have been advised after the vaccine was administered.
It was. It still is.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html
AVGWarhawk
11-04-21, 10:59 AM
It was. It still is.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html
Yes, by the CDC. Not local leadership. Numbers went down after the vaccine was administered widely. So did everyone's guard as a result. The indoor mask mandate removed. Indoor dinning began again. It became a push me pull you for business' that were dying on the vine and leadership looking to save a career. Things were eased to soon.
Yes, by the CDC. Not local leadership. Numbers went down after the vaccine was administered widely.
If you're expecting 'local leadership' to behave logically and to present a united front (especially those that were elected by idiots because idiots love idiots) might I suggest something that might be more realistic like cat herding? :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-04-21, 11:48 AM
If you're expecting 'local leadership' to behave logically and to present a united front (especially those that were elected by idiots because idiots love idiots) might I suggest something that might be more realistic like cat herding? :shucks:
All expect all leadership voted into office to behave logically. Logically we can dismiss the mandates being imposed.
All expect all leadership voted into office to behave logically. Logically we can dismiss the mandates being imposed.
That's amusing on more than one level. :shucks:
The number of infected here in Denmark has gone sky rocket.
2598 person has been tested positive.
Here something to think about
Last year same day Nov. 4th number of infected was 936 person
Denmark started to vaccinate 27th of Dec. 2020.
Around 76 % got the first jab. Around 75 % is fully vaccinated.
How many percentage of unvaccinated and vaccinated among these infected I don't know.
Restriction is on its way back.
Edit
One of them is the Corona passport. This will again be mandatory if you want to visit indoors activities and cinemas. Again What does this help if this fully vaccinated is infected without any symptoms-This person could infect other vaccinated and some of them may die from this.
I say A fresh corona test is the best together with this Corona passport
End edit
Markus
SpeedyPC
11-04-21, 03:18 PM
This book is very interesting and shocking truth
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51PSMOq2NkL.jpg
"The science interpretation in [Sharri Markson’s] articles is so bad it is risible"
- Prof Dominic Dwyer
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/09/sharri-marksons-book-on-covids-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers
Doesn't seem like projecting. You obviously find the current death rate/count quite acceptable (what's currently an unknown is how far you would continue to do so if it climbs) and you continuously try to present its relevance. I'll just take you as you present yourself. Nothing I can do about that. *ShruG*
Since we seem stalemated on the subject I should just silently SMH the next thousand or so times you remind everyone here that the percentages are acceptable yet the measures being taken are not. :shucks:
cool with me
Skybird
11-05-21, 03:48 AM
The situation in German hospitals is becomign critical. Around one third of the houses are at their maximum limits and have there ICUs fully used with none left free, another third is so full that other operations and procedures are being delayed again.
The reason is the high number of unvaccinated infected patients flooding the hospitals, the other that the number of ICUs had been reduced, compared to the last year. That is no malicious coin-counting by hospitals, but is because so many nurses have quit, being outburnt, underpaid, drowning in overtime hours, having no time to regenerate, and having their noses full of the way they get treated. I red an article by one nurse two weeks ago that she quit becasue she was sick of wasting her time with "stupid idio" putting others at risk by not getting vaccinated. There are many angry medical staffers thinking this way. Without trained staff managing the technology in ICU rooms, the special beds and their equipment are useless. The flooding of the hopsitals with unvaccinated patients again causes again a delay in operations with waiting lists that will reach deep into the next year and putting thosuands of others at risk.
Thats why I say people still rejecting vaccination are brutal egoists and criminal idiots. They walk over dead bodies they have caused.
Also, many operations that were delayed last year, have been done in recent months, to work down the long lists of waiting patients. That means the hopsitals already were far more full than noramlly, and way more ICUs were already in use when the fourth wave started. This additonally reduced the number of ICUs that are free.
Its difficult to get precise numbers, but the drain in nurses seems to be bigger than is being usually reported.
Polls show that the anger in Germany over unvaccinated people is rising, and with every week or month of according questions more and more people, already now a very clear and dominant majoirty, are in favour of simply making vaccination legally mandatory. As little as I sympathise with big and strong state and all that, on this I agree. Stupidity kills. Debates there have been enough, but you cannot discuss with stupid people that are in sectarian mind mode. Rationality has no chance when confronted with belief. The freedom of the individual however must see an end where it is practiced at the cost of having others suffering for the freedom of the stupid.
I am also angry at my parents, unvaccinated and as stubborn. Last but not least they expect me too that I be very cautious and mindful not to get infected (I am vaccinated and assume my healht status is such that it would deal easily with Covid19) so that as a carrier I do not bring the plague into their house. They are mid and end of 70s. But they take the flu shot and the shot against pneumonia...
Stupids like my parents help to keep the pandemic running on and on and to make things worse in hospitals, and not just for Corona patients, but all other patients as well.
Thank you for that, stupids of the world. Sometimes I hope you would just drop dead in place. But then, well, its my parents. Its frustrating. Its enraging.
I have told them i will not visit them anymore as long as they do not get jabbed. Tears, laments, drama - the full program. I dont care, I am tired of it. There is telephone, video via internet, email, SMS. No day without one contact at least, and may it even be just a random sMS. have they ever thought about how I would feel if they die of Corona - and I were the one bringing into into their home...? No. Becasue Corona doe snot exist for them, its all fake, its all conspriation, the whole evil world is just after them.
So frustrating.
You're not wrong Sky, I can't figure why people wont vaccinate, it's free and painless, at least it was for us. The wife and I have both been vaccinated with Pfizer (both shots) so too our family members. :yep:
I really can't understand why people refuse the treatment!! :oops::doh:
You're not wrong Sky, I can't figure why people wont vaccinate, it's free and painless, at least it was for us. The wife and I have both been vaccinated with Pfizer (both shots) so too our family members. :yep:
I really can't understand why people refuse the treatment!! :oops::doh:
Doesn't seem all that mysterious to me. Maybe they've been lied to just one too many times and no longer trust the government or Big Pharma. Maybe it's because they realize that this is really an exercise in government control and don't want to submit. Maybe they don't want to play guinea pig by taking drugs that have never been studied for long term side effects.
There are a ton of reasons for not taking the shot, none of them all that difficult to understand. I took the shot and even I understand what this is really all about and don't blame the Refusniks one bit.
A huge number of these Danes who has been tested positive was fully vaccinated. In the late night news a doctor said.
It's people who got their jabs in Feb. March, April their anti-thing is almost gone. When they are being told they are positive, they are shocked-But...But I'm vaccinated, some of them may say to their doctors.
As mentioned before
If you want to have fully protection-then you need to take a third booster jab every 6-7 month.
Markus
A huge number of these Danes who has been tested positive was fully vaccinated. In the late night news a doctor said.
It's people who got their jabs in Feb. March, April their anti-thing is almost gone. When they are being told they are positive, they are shocked-But...But I'm vaccinated, some of them may say to their doctors.
As mentioned before
If you want to have fully protection-then you need to take a third booster jab every 6-7 month.
Markus
Or get natural immunity...
3catcircus
11-05-21, 10:49 AM
You're not wrong Sky, I can't figure why people wont vaccinate, it's free and painless, at least it was for us. The wife and I have both been vaccinated with Pfizer (both shots) so too our family members. :yep:
I really can't understand why people refuse the treatment!! :oops::doh:
The issue is lack of transparency of the risks of side effects and the lack of transparency regarding vaccine effectiveness.
There are many reports of people dropping dead within a week of getting the vax and no significant effort to evaluate how the vax may have contributed to or caused their deaths.
In the US, they refuse to report anyone who gets covid after being vaccinated unless it results in hospitalization. How many people who got vaccinated and still got infected is unknown.
Both my wife and I are vaxxed and we both had to go to the hospital after getting infected. But because we were not admitted into a bed, it doesn't get reported. Our teenage son and tween daughter who were unvaxxed got covid at the same time as us and ended up with the sniffles for 2-3 days...
Shouldn't people understand if they are more likely to suffer adverse side effects from the vaccine if they have a specific condition? Shouldn't they be able to evaluate those risks in the face of exactly how effective the vaccine will be to begin with? We do that now with every other vaccine.
A 10 year old healthy child has a higher risk of vaccine side effects than of a bad outcome from being infected. A 70 year old with diabetes has a huge risk from being infected in comparison to getting vaxxed.
A 35 year old with an autoimmune disorder or a blood clotting disorder is different in the middle.
SpeedyPC
11-05-21, 11:01 AM
If you want to have fully protection-then you need to take a third booster jab every 6-7 month.
Markus
I'm told when we're taking the third booster jab is required every 6 months, UNTIL, the pandemic is over and is like taking a flu shot every 12 months.
Nobody knows how long the COVID pandemic will last, some say the pandemic may last up to 6 or 7 years, because, nobody knows how long.
We need to learn to live within the new normal COVID pandemic enviroment, until, it's OVER.
If you really hated to live within the new normal COVID pandemic, blame, China for the whole disaster.
Friends there's things I really don't understand. Been reading as much as I can in this thread and it makes me thoughtful.
I've read all the comments from friends who says it's important to get these jabs and how well it protect against Corona/Covid-19.
Then I read how these people refuse to meet unvaccinated people-This is what I don't understand-Isn't this vaccine good enough after all ? So why force people to take the shot.
Maybe it's me who don't understand it.
Markus
Interesting watch:
Sanjay Gupta talks with Covid-19 survivors about misinformation
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=2306033622860914
AVGWarhawk
11-05-21, 11:39 AM
Friends there's things I really don't understand. Been reading as much as I can in this thread and it makes me thoughtful.
I've read all the comments from friends who says it's important to get these jabs and how well it protect against Corona/Covid-19.
Then I read how these people refuse to meet unvaccinated people-This is what I don't understand-Isn't this vaccine good enough after all ? So why force people to take the shot.
Maybe it's me who don't understand it.
Markus
For those that are vaccinated but do not want to meet unvaccinated is their choice. Why they do this could be a variety of reasons. Anxiety. Do not trust the vaccine yet. Or an attempt to have others get vaccinated if they want to meet with the vaccinated. Similar to NY City demanding in many places a vaccine passport to eat at a restaurant, see a show and the like. Similar in demanding a vaccine if one wants to keep their job. In a nutshell, it is called coercion.
Skybird
11-05-21, 11:40 AM
Friends there's things I really don't understand. Been reading as much as I can in this thread and it makes me thoughtful.
I've read all the comments from friends who says it's important to get these jabs and how well it protect against Corona/Covid-19.
Then I read how these people refuse to meet unvaccinated people-This is what I don't understand-Isn't this vaccine good enough after all ? So why force people to take the shot.
Maybe it's me who don't understand it.
Markus
I am vaccinated. I have a very high probability of not suffering a serious case when getting infected, I most likely will not need to go to hospital or into ICU. I will most likely not die.
I have a raised probability of not getting infected in the first. The virus finds it more difficult to infest me. I stay infectous for shorter time, beign a risk for others for shorter time. But this probability is not as high as the one for not getting dangerously ill from it. Its a reasonable argument, but not the decisive, the cutting argument.
Therefore, I still can become a carrier and spreader, while not even being aware of it. The likelihood is only much smaller, but not smaller by ten factors or so, but only three or four factors. And if I infect somebody else, than that is what is happening, I infect this other person. And if this person happens to be unvaccinated and old and having comorbidities, that meeting between us two has a solid risk of ending not nicely for this other person.
So, even vaccinated persons can help to spread the pandemic and keep it running. They only do that at reduced probabilities, or reduced intensitiy. But they still do it. Just not as often anymore as without vaccination.
For those that are vaccinated but do not want to meet unvaccinated is their choice. Why they do this could be a variety of reasons. Anxiety. Do not trust the vaccine yet. Or an attempt to have others get vaccinated if they want to meet with the vaccinated. Similar to NY City demanding in many places a vaccine passport to eat at a restaurant, see a show and the like. Similar in demanding a vaccine if one wants to keep their job. In a nutshell, it is called coercion.
Huh. I must have been coerced to receive vaccinations for school when I was younger and heavily coerced when receiving the battery of shots the U.S. Navy gave me before deployment. To think I always 'had a choice' or should have been driven to paranoid concern over such. I think I have enough 'chips' in me to be my own cell phone in a pinch now. 'Hello, Lizard Person Grand Poobah?' :shucks:
Rockstar
11-05-21, 11:47 AM
Interesting watch:
Sanjay Gupta talks with Covid-19 survivors about misinformation
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=2306033622860914
I’m a COVID survivor and I don’t give a rats arse what Gupta has to say. Good luck too you though because unless you lock yourself away in a bomb shelter with proper filtration you will, vaccinated or not, become infected with it. Hopefully by then it will be as benign as the Spanish Flu has become.
I’m a COVID survivor and I don’t give a rats arse what Gupta has to say.
Big surprise? :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-05-21, 11:54 AM
Huh. I must have been coerced to receive vaccinations for school when I was younger and heavily coerced when receiving the battery of shots the U.S. Navy gave me before deployment. To think I always 'had a choice' or should have been driven to paranoid concern over such. I think I have enough 'chips' in me to be my own cell phone in a pinch now. 'Hello, Lizard Person Grand Poobah?' :shucks:
It is coercion. A vaccine is a requirement to attend school. The threat? No vaccine no school. Once you join the armed services you are subject to their demands without question. Of course you read all of the forms before signing them. Right? Your choice is to accept, sign and get what's coming. Or go AWOL once you figure out the armed forces are just not your cup of tea. No worries, someone will be along to collect you. There is no real coercion here you signed up and knew what was coming.
Thank you AVGWarhawk and Skybird for your answer to my comment.
Yes it's up the vaccinated if they want to meet unvaccinated people
Reading Skybirds comment made me wonder.
Is a vaccinated person more dangerous towards others-Here I'm thinking.
The vaccinated think they are protected and do not take these weekly test and could walk around contagious and infect others- both vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Markus
I’m a COVID survivor and I don’t give a rats arse what Gupta has to say. Good luck too you though because unless you lock yourself away in a bomb shelter with proper filtration you will, vaccinated or not, become infected with it. Hopefully by then it will be as benign as the Spanish Flu has become.
Isn't that Sanjay Gupta quack peddling horse tranquilizers or something?
It is coercion. A vaccine is a requirement to attend school. The threat? No vaccine no school. Once you join the armed services you are subject to their demands without question. Of course you read all of the forms before signing them. Right? Your choice is to accept, sign and get what's coming. Or go AWOL once you figure out the armed forces are just not your cup of tea. No worries, someone will be along to collect you. There is no real coercion here you signed up and knew what was coming.
Well then the real question is ... why go coercion crazed now, over Covid vaccines? :shucks:
Skybird
11-05-21, 12:14 PM
A vaccinated person is les sliely to become ifnected in the first, and if getting infected, stays infectous for shorter tiem than unvaccinated people. Thus, by probabilities a vaccinated person "materially" is less dangerous, no doubt in that.
If that person takes its vacicnation as an arzgument to ebcome uncarind and unrespectful and ebhave in a uncautious manner, it therefore behaves more "aggressive" and thus if this person is infecitous it spread the infeciton mroe aggressively.
To be precise, this person could be more dangerous - but exclusively due to its behaviour.
No argument can be formed from this that vaccinations are useless or are dangerous and should be "forbidden".
A vaccinated person is les sliely to become ifnected in the first, and if getting infected, stays infectous for shorter tiem than unvaccinated people. Thus, by probabilities a vaccinated person "materially" is less dangerous, no doubt in that.
If that person takes its vacicnation as an arzgument to ebcome uncarind and unrespectful and ebhave in a uncautious manner, it therefore behaves more "aggressive" and thus if this person is infecitous it spread the infeciton mroe aggressively.
To be precise, this person could be more dangerous - but exclusively due to its behaviour.
No argument can be formed from this that vaccinations are useless or are dangerous and should be "forbidden".
The vaccine against Corona is very much important. What I try to tell is even if you got the jabs you should continue to take these quick test or PCR test as they are called here in Denmark.
Markus
AVGWarhawk
11-05-21, 12:34 PM
Thank you AVGWarhawk and Skybird for your answer to my comment.
Yes it's up the vaccinated if they want to meet unvaccinated people
Reading Skybirds comment made me wonder.
Is a vaccinated person more dangerous towards others-Here I'm thinking.
The vaccinated think they are protected and do not take these weekly test and could walk around contagious and infect others- both vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Markus
Yes, the vaccinated could be carrying the virus and not know it. It is the same for the unvaccinated as well. The vaccinated could potentially be more dangerous as their guard is let down because after all they are vaccinated. Let's face it, the vaccine is still experimental. Again, still a bunch of "we don't know" by the brain trust. But time will be spent claiming this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
AVGWarhawk
11-05-21, 12:41 PM
Well then the real question is ... why go coercion crazed now, over Covid vaccines? :shucks:
Because some clod said this idea of herd immunity is all we need. A lot of people are dying. Get your butt vaccinated now! Those unvaccinated have been treated nothing short of lepers. There are those in a political position that want to say, "I told you so". Then spend their time in the limelight explaining why they are wonderful. Then there are the rapid only seeing the end times. There is many reasons for coercion.
No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
"So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/
(You're welcome.) :shucks:
Because some clod said this idea of herd immunity is all we need. A lot of people are dying. Get your butt vaccinated now! Those unvaccinated have been treated nothing short of lepers. There are those in a political position that want to say, "I told you so". Then spend their time in the limelight explaining why they are wonderful. Then there are the rapid only seeing the end times. There is many reasons for coercion.
No, you misunderstood. You accepted my lifetime experiences as coercion for which you appeared to have great issue with ... lately. Why so late? :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-05-21, 12:46 PM
No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
"So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/
(You're welcome.) :shucks:
So tell me, if vaccinated infected person sneezes in your direction....what are you going to do?
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/can-vaccinated-people-transmit-covid-19-to-others/
Can fully vaccinated people still transmit the virus to others, including other vaccinated people?
While it is possible, Dr. Cardona says that the ability to transmit COVID-19 may occur at a lower rate. She adds that this could also be a reality for people who don’t have a good immune response to vaccines.
:shucks:So tell me, if vaccinated infected person sneezes in your direction....what are you going to do?
Stay at least 6 ft. away (which, I should already be unless aggressively encroached on), stay masked (which I do when indoors ... and on occasion outdoors), stay vaccinated (which I already am), stay calm and wonder how I knew they were vaccinated and infected and offer them a tissue and one of my spare masks (left on a nearby surface for them to pick up).
WWAVGWD?
Oh ... and your original quote was:
"The vaccinated could potentially be more dangerous as their guard is let down because after all they are vaccinated."
Which is untrue.
AVGWarhawk
11-05-21, 01:01 PM
:shucks:
Stay at least 6 ft. away (which, I should already be unless aggressively encroached on), stay masked (which I do when indoors ... and on occasion outdoors), stay vaccinated (which I already am), stay calm and wonder how I knew they were vaccinated and infected and offer them a tissue and one of my spare masks (left on a nearby surface for them to pick up).
WWAVGWD?
Oh ... and your original quote was:
"The vaccinated could potentially be more dangerous as their guard is let down because after all they are vaccinated."
Which is untrue.
WWAVGWD do? The same he has been doing for 18 months. Mask, distance and clean my hands. Not vaxxed.
Yes, it is true. Two friends. Both vaxxed. Spoke to their neighbor over their fence. Only a fence between them. Neighbor had COVID unknowingly. My two friends diagnosed with COVID 3 days later. You really think all or some that are vaxxed did not let their guard down? I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
The health authorities here in Denmark has said it's important to get this third booster jab especially if you got your second vaccine 6 month ago or more.
They didn't mentioned anything about testing among vaccinated-Which I say is even important.
Markus
WWAVGWD do? The same he has been doing for 18 months. Mask, distance and clean my hands. Not vaxxed.
Yes, it is true. Two friends. Both vaxxed. Spoke to their neighbor over their fence. Only a fence between them. Neighbor had COVID unknowingly. My two friends diagnosed with COVID 3 days later. You really think all or some that are vaxxed did not let their guard down? I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
I can take my Elderly sister as an example on people who let their guard down.
She says I'm vaccinated I'm not afraid of standing close to others and do things which was unthinkable some month ago.
Talked to her some month ago and there we discussed Corona and vaccine.
Markus
AVGWarhawk
11-05-21, 01:15 PM
I can take my Elderly sister as an example on people who let their guard down.
She says I'm vaccinated I'm not afraid of standing close to others and do things which was unthinkable some month ago.
Talked to her some month ago and there we discussed Corona and vaccine.
Markus
People did and do let their guard down. For many it is in their nature to trust but not verify.
WWAVGWD do? The same he has been doing for 18 months. Mask, distance and clean my hands. Not vaxxed.
Yes, it is true. Two friends. Both vaxxed. Spoke to their neighbor over their fence. Only a fence between them. Neighbor had COVID unknowingly. My two friends diagnosed with COVID 3 days later. You really think all or some that are vaxxed did not let their guard down? I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
You seem to think they all will. Even if some do, their chances of spreading it is indeed diminished. (I understand you don't read or, if you do, believe the articles from non politically biased sources I share to give you better information than you apparently acquire.)
Regarding bridges, I believe you think you do have one in Brooklyn for sale when you were sold it last month. :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-05-21, 01:41 PM
You seem to think they all will. Even if some do, their chances of spreading it is indeed diminished. (I understand you don't read or, if you do, believe the articles from non politically biased sources I share to give you better information than you apparently acquire.)
Regarding bridges, I believe you think you do have one in Brooklyn for sale when you were sold it last month. :shucks:
No sir, I never said I seem to think they all do. Yes diminished BUT STILL POSSIBLE. Let's not get off track with what I might or might not read. This is common sense.
No sir, I never said I seem to think they all do. Yes diminished BUT STILL POSSIBLE. Let's not get off track with what I might or might not read. This is common sense.
"People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to spread the virus even if they become infected, a new study finds, adding to a growing body of evidence that vaccines can reduce transmission of the delta variant."
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583
"Despite tangible evidence that unvaccinated people are driving new waves of Covid-19 in highly vaccinated countries—which has a far reaching impact beyond individual health—most unvaccinated Americans feel little responsibility for its spread, a recent poll indicates."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/04/fully-vaccinated-half-as-likely-to-catch-delta-covid-variant-and-less-likely-to-infect-others-study-finds/?sh=2fefa072281c
Update: Mortality rate for covid-19 is still under 2%.
AVGWarhawk
11-05-21, 02:49 PM
"People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to spread the virus even if they become infected, a new study finds, adding to a growing body of evidence that vaccines can reduce transmission of the delta variant."
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583
"Despite tangible evidence that unvaccinated people are driving new waves of Covid-19 in highly vaccinated countries—which has a far reaching impact beyond individual health—most unvaccinated Americans feel little responsibility for its spread, a recent poll indicates."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/04/fully-vaccinated-half-as-likely-to-catch-delta-covid-variant-and-less-likely-to-infect-others-study-finds/?sh=2fefa072281c
Let's read this in depth. Less likely meaning what? It can happen. Tangible evidence? I don't have or have had COVID 19. Yet, somehow I should feel responsible for it's spread. :hmmm:
My advise with the little knowledge I gathered from news here in Denmark and Sweden.
1. Take the vaccine-It's important
2. Take the booster jab every 6 month.
3. Do take these test occasionally-Not 1-2 times per weeks but 1-2 times per month or a couples of days after you been with a huge group of people.
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3catcircus
11-05-21, 04:05 PM
Let's read this in depth. Less likely meaning what? It can happen. Tangible evidence? I don't have or have had COVID 19. Yet, somehow I should feel responsible for it's spread. :hmmm:
Of course, because you're a murderer if you don't...
At no point in history have we ever worried about protecting vaccinated people from unvaccinated. The science has always been (until now) that not everyone needs to be vaccinated (and some people can't take a particular vaccine due to underlying medical conditions).
If the "experts" keep pushing for *everyone* to get vaccinated, they're either hiding something (e.g. there is no possibility of eradicating it) or they're complete incompetents who've finally been forced to do rather than talk and proving that they've faked their expertise.
Don't get me wrong - COVID sucks (vaxxed and I still got it), but three narrative is so skewed that the gullible and /or uneducated in science think that merely getting it is a death sentence. I'm 50, fat, and have high blood pressure - getting vaxxed reduced my risk. But *every* kid on my son's football team (most of them unvaxxed)who got covid ended up with the sniffles for a few days - young and with excellent cardiovascular fitness vs. older and not as healthy.
Skybird
11-05-21, 04:23 PM
Yes, the vaccinated could be carrying the virus and not know it. It is the same for the unvaccinated as well. The vaccinated could potentially be more dangerous as their guard is let down because after all they are vaccinated. Let's face it, the vaccine is still experimental. Again, still a bunch of "we don't know" by the brain trust. But time will be spent claiming this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
Formally it is no more experimental but has gotten official approval by your FDA, AFAIK. Just a few weeks ago.
I just googled it. End of August, formal full approval by FDA for the BionTech-Pfizer vaccine ("Comirnaty").
Formally it is no more experimental but has gotten official approval by your FDA, AFAIK. Just a few weeks ago.
I just googled it. End of August, formal full approval by FDA for the BionTech-Pfizer vaccine ("Comirnaty").
Millions of million has received the vaccine so now they know what kind of side effect it has.
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Skybird
11-05-21, 05:15 PM
Millions of million has received the vaccine so now they know what kind of side effect it has.
Long time effects are unknown, necessarily. We will not before "long time" has passed. But it has been like that with just every vaccine ever.
The risk in this statement lies in that some may think because of it that mRNA is some black voodoo magic, worse: digitally implanted by Bill Gates who put nanobots into the serum.
Well, some others think drinking chlorine bathroom cleaner for internal desinfection is a good idea because some deep deep deep political thinker once implied it were.
Rockstar
11-06-21, 07:29 AM
Seems mandate nazis are a bunch of narrow minded one trick ponies. As they demand, destroy business, cry, talk about Trump, coerce citizens and whine how a vaccine as the only solution. The rest of the nation is moving on.
https://youtu.be/PVtf1KD6rT8
Jimbuna
11-06-21, 09:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlUNsEqXZFU
Jimbuna
11-06-21, 09:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgidBCS2Nic
Jimbuna
11-06-21, 09:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F37KsLA4CPI
Jimbuna
11-06-21, 11:10 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/yNjCTkcZ/121454952-uk-card-with-vax-booster-05nov-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/hJXYD4CD)
Jimbuna
11-06-21, 11:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsACTX0_ihs
https://i.imgur.com/NlH2nh2.jpg
Jimbuna
11-07-21, 01:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THv33zWykJc
98 % is what my oxygens is in my blood vessel
Toke the test when I visit my mom. She has one of these small equipment she got from her doctor. Her blood has problem taking on/in air. So she has this machine that create clean oxygen and she walk around with this oxygen glasses which is two smaller pipe sticking up in her nose.
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Rockstar
11-07-21, 03:51 PM
Listen to these Liberal Democrat fear mongers on NBC these Mengele lovin mandate medical experiments nazis lie. Typical Democrat word salad just like when they used the excuse of how they won’t know what’s in the bill until it’s passed. I guess the same reasoning works just fine with liberals with using experimental vaccines on perfectly healthy children.
https://youtu.be/At-BI1KAUJw
Catfish
11-07-21, 04:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5wRDLf54Scs
Rockstar
11-07-21, 05:15 PM
Umm Jimmy the pothead just compared what NBC said and what CDC said. Jimmy the pothead didn’t offer any opinion he just played what NBC already aired to the nation and compared it to the statistics provided by CDC. Either NBC lied or the CDC lied
You come up with Jimmy the pothead lied? About what?
AVGWarhawk
11-08-21, 10:21 AM
Formally it is no more experimental but has gotten official approval by your FDA, AFAIK. Just a few weeks ago.
I just googled it. End of August, formal full approval by FDA for the BionTech-Pfizer vaccine ("Comirnaty").
There is still a bunch of unknowns. IMO, that makes the vaccine still experimental.
Skybird
11-08-21, 11:11 AM
In German. Google offers options to have automatically translated subtitles. On Long Covid and what can be diagnosed on it. Which is a very lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvx1ppXiyU0
You come up with Jimmy the pothead lied? About what?
Indeed.
Jimbuna
11-08-21, 03:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMfjtgli55Y
Jimbuna
11-08-21, 03:09 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/jjNbCsZm/121483482-uk-card-with-vax-booster-08nov-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/B8qyVGWB)
Jimbuna
11-09-21, 02:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufy2AweXRkc
Jimbuna
11-09-21, 02:56 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/TwyK9TzT/121499204-uk-card-with-vax-booster-09nov-nc.jpg (https://postimg.cc/2bDjjNjt)
Rockstar
11-09-21, 08:21 PM
https://youtu.be/1eTL1U6BXns
As you all know by now the entire Mink Industry in Denmark is no more. This after a decision made by the Danish government last year.
This decision has turned into a huge scandal here in Denmark. Following comment is from a Danish Politician, but it's correct what he write
The mink case is so extensive and scandalous that there is no time at all to indulge in minor things that would otherwise in any other context mean the departure of a minister.
For example, the Prime Minister has violated the 'Law on Commissions of Inquiry and Commissions of Inquiry' by deleting her text messages instead of handing them over, as the Mink Commission has been asking for months.
It is very clear in the law here that ministers can not avoid handing over that kind of thing. But the Prime Minister has refuse to do so.
So we have a Prime Minister who breaks the law fully with open eyes to hide her deeds, and some support parties who do not stop her.
It's completely unheard of.
Danish ministers have over time been condemned for trifles, but right now the Social Democrats and the left are setting a precedent for governments to do exactly what suits them and are not subject to either the law or democratic control. It is dangerous and should provoke a popular reaction. Otherwise, we will seriously set back our democracy.
Right now we have an ongoing impeachment against another female politicians. But there's no doubt there will come many more. Not only a couple of impeachment, it will also result in high court cases against the Police and the military.
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Jimbuna
11-10-21, 10:39 AM
UK COVID-19 Projections
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom
There are more countries to view by going to the text box near the top of the page.
Jimbuna
11-11-21, 08:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZZTPp-eYU
Jimbuna
11-11-21, 10:06 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/jjQpjP9n/121513729-uk-card-with-vax-booster-10nov-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/QBC449jj)
Skybird
11-12-21, 06:28 AM
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/ibuprofen_ts/27780882/2-format1007.jpg
"Is that the instruction leaflet
from Moderna or Biontech?" .................................................. ........................................."That of Ibuprofen!"
Catfish
11-12-21, 06:35 AM
^ :rotfl2:
Otto Harkaman
11-12-21, 12:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufy2AweXRkc
Dr. Campbell rips apart "Youtube Independent Fact Checkers" who Fact Checked his video on Facebook.
https://youtu.be/ObTAOvgd_JE
Why is it that those who refuse to take the jab has an ability to believe unproven stories about the side effect of the vaccine.
See it daily among my fb-friends who either copied a text or some link, where people is being warned to take the jab. These friends are also against the vaccine itself.
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Why is it that those who refuse to take the jab has an ability to believe unproven stories about the side effect of the vaccine.
Maybe it's because they have been told so many contradictory things.
Skybird
11-12-21, 07:00 PM
I must agree that the communication by governments/politicians and the standards of the academic processes leaves a lot to be desried by all sides. Plenty of propaganda is used to acchieve behavipral effects of people. Sometimes it is lacking knowledge and udnerstanding. Sometimes inention.
But when I count it all together, what is most convincing and in my eyes still by far more supported by the end of the day is still the narrative of pro vaccination, distance keeping, masks.
Its no bad idea to look back in history and over the centureies and mikllenia and see how people in the past have tried to deal with pandemics. It seems to me, and very strongly so, they often showed more realism and intellectual sanity than those who try to torpedo quarantines and vaccinations at every opportunity today.
The politicization of the medical and empirical variables is the main root of misconduct here. The pandemic struck at a very bad time, with political culture already ruined and social media havign a feast, with eocnomic dependencies havign erected cardhouses and globalization having established most fragile production and delivery chains. The virus is what it is. That it finds such an inviting playground to party and to feast - that is completely our own fault, and we made them already many years earlier.
I fear the political changes concluded on and enforced by the reasoning behind comnabtting the pandemic, are here to stay, and will stay even after the end of the apndmeic, accelerating a trend of increasing totalitarian control and strong government systematically deconbstructing and eroding and hollowing out liberties ands freedoms we have taken for granted in past decades. This in parts also is in the interest of big computer business and IT companies. Many peopel seem to not realise thatr tehcnbology no logner is beign amde to serve our wishes and needs and normns, but that we get trianed and ewducated to serve the needs and nomenclatura of computer technology. This is not a widneign of our cretaitivty, as adverts often try to sell it as. Its exactly the opposite, a norminazationa nd standardization of human behaviour and norms so that machines can make best use of their users.
Microsoft is a master of selling reduction of human potentials and creativity as a benfit and a gain for humans. But they are not the only ones.
People are made to unlearn free, independent, creative thinking. And if you succeed in this you get rewarded with a career, as long as you are not an ingenious entrepreneur serving as the exception that proves the rule.
Jimbuna
11-13-21, 09:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB5oR2gFQEw
Jimbuna
11-13-21, 09:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObTAOvgd_JE
Jimbuna
11-13-21, 09:27 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/YStXKGpq/121539642-uk-card-with-vax-booster-12nov-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/cv57fJgV)
Jimbuna
11-14-21, 09:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdgnLxRsxBY
The society here in Denmark has turned into a übermensch and slave status.
Reading stuff like
Those who refuse to take the jab, shall pay for their own visit at the hospital
Free vaccine until 31th of December, thereafter it shall cost 2000 Danish kroner
Shopping and other things can only be done if a person has a corona passport.
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Jeff-Groves
11-14-21, 02:53 PM
Get the jab or don't. Can't say I care one way or the other.
I got the jabs. My Wife has not. I don't push her as it is her choice.
What I get a kick out of is those that BELIEVE in 5 years, I'll die from the shot.
If they wanted people dead? Won't they just unleash something now to do the job?
:hmmm:
Skybird
11-14-21, 03:57 PM
Those who refuse to take the jab, shall pay for their own visit at the hospital
Well, we have mandatory health insurrance membership here in Germany, and I think since long I am not any solidaric at all with smokers who get ill from their smoking and want the health insurrance to pay for their treatment. If they want to smoke in their private spheres, so be it, but I refuse needing to pay the bills for their treatment if later they get a health condition linked to that smoking, say lung cancer or anything. I am not solidaric with stupid people and/or egoists abusing the system this way. Not regarding cigarettes. Not regarding rejecting a jab that shifts chances in their faovur to escape hospitalization that costs me my money.
If somebody gets it without his fault and despite being vaccinated, his treatment should get paid from the insurrance then, of course, thats what they are then there for.
Free choice - yes, but only as long as a freely chosen and wanted private risk is not being collectivised and is not being demanded to be paid for by the community. This is not a sports accident durign a risky sport. This simply is laziness or mindlessness or egoism or stupidity or all together. I reject being expected to pay for this.
Jeff-Groves
11-14-21, 04:18 PM
Somehow I'd expect to find you on a Mountain Top or deep in a woods as a hermit.
You make points I find very enlightening.
:salute:
The reason to why so many vaccinated gets infected here in Denmark could be that they got vaccinated more than 7-8 month ago and/or is older then 50 years of age.
So my friends, those of you who are vaccinated, don't forget to take the booster vaccine every 6 month.
This is important to keep your anti-thing on top.
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Get the jab or don't. Can't say I care one way or the other.
I got the jabs. My Wife has not. I don't push her as it is her choice.
What I get a kick out of is those that BELIEVE in 5 years, I'll die from the shot.
If they wanted people dead? Won't they just unleash something now to do the job?
:hmmm:They did,..... covid-19 wasn't as effective as "they" hoped, so it's on to plan "B". :salute:
Rockstar
11-15-21, 08:04 AM
To all the fear mongers and mandate nazis. You cannot vaccinate your way out of this. Everyone is going to get infected. Children will outlive you. Have a nice day.
https://youtu.be/6PXtWJ5epEw
Rockstar
11-15-21, 08:09 AM
Ivermectin a generic anti-viral human medicine was frowned upon and equated to horse paste. Why? Because it’s generic no money to make there. So what does Big pharma do? A minor tweek change the name and presto! Start making money off the fears of the gullible blue anon believers.
https://youtu.be/xROICA8Hr7I
^ And you are of course an educated virologist/doctor so you can say it's true.
I'm not I don't know what to believe, so I stay with my motto Don't believe anything anymore.
Except-Trust what our authorities tells me what to do doing our restrictions we had.
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Jimbuna
11-15-21, 02:32 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/dVsj6W4B/121569128-uk-card-with-vax-booster-15nov-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/PP7DrMGp)
Catfish
11-16-21, 02:53 AM
"I think Singapore have gone the better route. If you're not jabbed you have to pay for your health care if you get covid."
Wait, don't you have to individually pay for health care already for anything in some countries.
Jimbuna
11-16-21, 06:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz7wGLPOTxg
Rockstar
11-17-21, 07:46 AM
This fella said it could inhibit the growth of a child’s immune system and refuses to vaccinate his grand children
https://youtu.be/fl8Jix3OHRo
Jimbuna
11-17-21, 08:47 AM
As Germany grapples with record Covid cases, Chancellor Angela Merkel describes the situation as "dramatic"
Some 22,479 Covid cases were recorded in the Czech Republic yesterday, the highest since the pandemic began.
It comes as cases continue to rise around Europe, with Russia recording a further 36,626 and Poland reporting a 31% rise in cases in a week.
Covid restrictions had a "catastrophic effect" on the arts, culture and heritage sectors, a University of Sheffield report says.
Organisations working on Covid vaccine research were one of the main targets of cyber attacks last year.
UK health officials warn of a "hidden pandemic" of antibiotic-resistant infections if people fail to act responsibly after Covid.
Spectators will be allowed to go to New Year's Eve celebrations in New York's Times Square, after it was cancelled last year.
Jimbuna
11-17-21, 08:56 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/XNB23MkD/a29bbff0-0e81-40b4-ac13-bd10d76b8358.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Jimbuna
11-17-21, 11:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGug3rczx4
Skybird
11-17-21, 12:10 PM
^ :D "Four to ten thousand I.E. at this time of the year."
:up: Slowly they get to what I am preaching since over one year now!
BTW, over the winter I take fifteen thousand. :O:
Don't forget the triade: Vit-D, Magnesium, Vitamine K2.
Da = Løgn-19 (Eng = Lie-19.)
It happens I see friends or their friends write this word in Danish.
It makes me sad to see people mocking a serious disease.
Every time I see this word I post a counter comment.
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Rockstar
11-17-21, 01:23 PM
reason, common sense, & science: 1; totalitarian mandate nazis: 0
OSHA Suspends Enforcement of Vaccine Mandate After Court Block
By Isabel van Brugen November 17, 2021 Updated: November 17, 2021
https://www.theepochtimes.com/osha-suspends-enforcement-of-vaccine-mandate-after-court-block_4108842.html
The Labor Department’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has suspended the enforcement of the Biden administration’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for private businesses.
The announcement came shortly after a U.S. appeals court rejected a challenge by the Biden administration on Nov. 12 and reaffirmed its decision to put on hold OSHA’s mandate, which requires that businesses with 100 employees or more ensure that workers either be vaccinated against COVID-19 by Jan. 4, 2022, or be tested weekly and wear a mask.
The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans stated in an opinion that OSHA’s mandate is “staggeringly overbroad,” and ordered it to “take no steps to implement or enforce the Mandate until further court order.”
Jimbuna
11-18-21, 05:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5g9AVqRsjo
Jimbuna
11-18-21, 05:54 AM
Germany has recorded its highest daily number of Covid cases for the second day in a row.
Restrictions are being tightened in other parts of Europe amidst the rise in cases, including Belgium, which is temporarily making home working mandatory four days a week and Austria, which has introduced a lockdown for unvaccinated people.
Chancellor Angela Merkel has warned the country is in the grip of a fourth wave.
In Wales, Covid passes could be used over the Christmas period, the government has said.
No decision is going to be made about introducing the pass to the hospitality sector until early December, says First Minister Mark Drakeford.
In Northern Ireland, more pupils were in school in the week of the 8-12 November than at any point since the start of September.
The Department of Education figures also show a fall in the number of children out of school for Covid-19 reasons after the October half-term.
The widow of a top Scottish government official who died after contracting Covid has said she believes the full details of his illness were concealed to protect the reputation of a troubled hospital.
Skybird
11-18-21, 10:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5g9AVqRsjo
Some of the viewer comments are so enlightening.
It takes usually around one generation, 30 years, before new standards and information from research find their way into routine medical praxis. Some doctors simply lag behind, are not up to date, learned outdated stuff when they were at university, studying medicine. Not all, but quite some. But the Vitamine-D ignorrants seem to become fewer and fewer. even my dentist checks for Vitamine D now. This substance is hard to overestimate, it is omnbipotent. Not many other agents are involved in so many metabolical functions and processes as Vitmaine D.
Same is true with Vitamine K2, which some even do not even correctly differentiate versus Vitamine K1, although K1 does very different things.
Want to reiterate again on the doses of Calcidiol in the blood, which is the metabolically active form of Vitamine D. I have read at some of the research luminaries that the human body is prepared to process and deal with up to 20 thousand I.E.s of Vitamine D per day. And that we have not seen convincing data at all that doses below but up to 40 thousand per day and over many months cause first signs of intoxication symptoms (that are completely temporary, and disappear again when you stop with Vit-D). The risk of Hypercalcemia also is misunderstood and is used to spread panic and demonise the use of this supplement. The blood saturation with calcidiol is recommended usally to be minimum 30 nanograms per millilitre, better between 40 and 60. But these "optimums" imo are not really optimums, just a relatively safe first ground, they are still very cautious, careful recommendations.
We know from several examples with wild tribes living outdoors that they do not seem to form blood saturations in excess of rougly around 90-100 nanograms, which tends to roughly correspond with a maximum dosis of 20 thousand I.E.s of Vitamine D - which happens to be the maximum the skin of a human can produce at maximum per day under according conditions before the skin shuts down for this 24h interval and minimises any further production of the the sun vitamine (and destroying existing Vitamine-D reserves in equal ratios).
This all together is the reason why I say - and more important: quite some doctors and research scientists knowing the matter much better than me - that you must not enslave yourself to a dose that gets your blood saturation exactly in the narrow margin of 40-60 nanograms per millilitre. There is no argument against having it significantly higher, and there is strong indication that we do benefit form much higher levels indeed, for exmaple the number of genes vitamine-D does switch and infleunce in cells explode by several factors with higher doses than just 40-60, which is good. Several factors! So, really, do not be shy to push for higher values of 70, 80. From 100 on you likely do not gain any more benefits and from here on the chances grow that you start to feel (reversable) negative effects and symtpoms. Personally, I aim for the range of 70-80. Last time I blood-tested, I hit right the middle of it.
Your doc starts to frown the forehead when he reads in your blood test "calcidiol 80 nanograms"? Don't worry, but smile! :up: And explain it to him. If his mind locks down, dont waste your time with debates, and better start looking for a new doctor. If he listens, but asks you questions, that is fine. Scepticism is perfectly allowed if scepticism nevertheless asks for arguments. Fanatical denial is not, and any discussion with it is in vein.
Jimbuna
11-19-21, 10:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl9UJp8xuJ4
Jimbuna
11-19-21, 10:07 AM
Austria has announced it will enter a full lockdown from Monday, lasting at least 10 days, in a bid to avoid a "fifth wave" of Covid.
Covid vaccinations will become mandatory in the country from 1 February.
Several European countries, including Germany and Greece, are imposing tighter controls on the unvaccinated.
One in 65 people in the UK are estimated to have had Covid in the week ending 13 November, down from one in 60 the previous week.
A report finds the UK government was not fully prepared for the wide-ranging impacts of Covid-19 on society.
Covid booster and other third dose jabs can now be added to the NHS Covid pass for travel, the government says.
In Northern Ireland, those who worked from home during the first wave of the pandemic are told they should do so again.
Jimbuna
11-19-21, 10:09 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/7Yq2TGfp/121607917-uk-card-with-vax-booster-18nov-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/Lh0XcskT)
"Two weeks to flatten the curve..."
Yeah right. :nope:
Official Public Health England Data Says COVID Infection Rates Higher In Vaxx'd Than Unvaxx'd
The Spectator has published an article citing official data from Public Health England, which states that for the over 30’s, “the rates of Covid infection per 100,000 are now higher among the vaxxed than the unvaxxed.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/official-public-health-england-data-says-covid-infection-rates-higher-vaxxd-unvaxxd
Skybird
11-19-21, 11:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl9UJp8xuJ4
9th minute on, K2. :yeah:
Mühsam nährt sich das Eichhörnchen :) - but slowly he gets to it.
Again:
Magnesium for turning the storage form of Vitamine D, Colecalciferol, into the metabolically active form of Vitmiane D, Calcidiol. The latter is what the doctor measures in the blood. Without Magnesium, stored Vitamine D cannot be activated and is of no use for you. Netto and biologically available I take 2-3 times per day 400mg of Magnesium (600 mg capsules, but only around 400 get "recognised" and absorbed by the body). Mg comes in different forms, they all vary in thei resporbation levels, so getting yourself a bit better educated on it might pay off for you and your individual body status.
Vitamine K2 (K2MK7 alltrans at best) for putting the Calcium where it belongs: out of the blood, into the bones and teeth. Why is this relevant? With higher doses of Vitamine D, you increase the resorbation efficiency of your guts to win Calcium from your food, the Calcium becomes available in higher quantities - but from your guts moves into the blood stream, not into the bones. That is a potentially harmfull thing if it stays there, it needs to moved out of the blood. K2 is the transporter that moves it from the blood into the bone. - Not that much relevant for very small doses of Vitamine D, increasingly relevant with high doses.
Many Vitamine D pills come with integrated 200 micrograms of K2. Personally, I take an additional separate K2, 200 micrograms, when I take 15 or 20 thousand I.E. of Vit-D.
Important: There are many different forms of K2, and they vary dramatically in their usefulness and resorbation rate. You want K2 MK7 alltrans. You want this before anything else, and not just any other. There are 14 or 18 different forms of Menaquonin (MK-"number"), and each comes in two molecular forms that represent each other, but axis-mirrored in 3-dimensional structure (all trans, cis). All cis-forms are of zero use for our bodies. Some manufacturers sell cheap pills, that are of almost zero use to you. So: K2 MK7 all trans. Spend your precious coins only on this, all the other forms are not relevant for our tasks here.
Additionally, of course, Zinc 25-50 mg per day, I take turns on both doses), Vitamine C 3-4 times 1000 mg, Q10 (expensive, but mitochondria medicine is seeing a revolution and is becoming an independent medical branch, the importance lies in the link of mitochondrias to production of the cells' gasoline, ATP (adenosintriphosphate). I take 400 mg per day. - Avoid if you can to buy Q10 in Germany, its a rip-off over here. Order in the UK: 3-4 times cheaper, including taxes. - Avoid inflammatory Omega-6 fatty acids (practically allindustrially won "plant oils", that is), maximise anti-inflammatory Omega 3 fatty acids: EPA, DHA. I have banned plant oils except olive poil comp0letely form my kitchen. The ban includes of course soy oil as well (and Tofu stuff and soy drinks, soy has massive negatzvie impacts on the human hormonal balances, thats why in asia they eat Tofu only with natural antidots, plant co-factors and supplements, or eat soy beans in fermented form: natto for exmaple).
You cannot repeat these things often enough these days. So simple, and compared to the state programs: so very, very, very, very, very CHEAP to have. Many nurses and doctors in hospitals report that in their ICUs they have no people with good Calcidiol saturations in their blood, no matter age or vaccination status. Its so very, very, very, very, obvious. Those still claiming the opposite, mean you bad. Be on your guard against them. Fight them off, if you must. They harm people by the scores and scores.
That politicians do not even lose a word on it, is not just a political scandal: Its mass slaughter. Dr. Campbell is too polite and too gentleman-like to put it this frankly, though he indirectly indicated it sometimes. I am not, and I cal it a crime and mass slaughter. Somebody has to buy those expensive drugs and medicatiosn and vaccines, you know. The pharma industry does not want healthy people, these don't buy their stuff, like the food industry does not want you to eat healthy and less: you then would buy less food since you know you do not need to eat all day long. So they tell you to eat five portions of vegetable, and three times of fruits per day, addtionally to that olther stuff, eat, eat, eat, spend your day moving from one snack to the next. Eat all day long, and drink water in bottles, and much more than your body actually need. At best you drink so much that it starts to hurt your health by washing out minerals from your body (thats an increasing medical issue in Western countries) ! Only this way the coins dance on the cash table.
Skybird
11-20-21, 03:58 AM
NEJM. Novembre 2021
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2113403?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article
Given the parade of variants, their varying transmissibility, and continuing concern about antigenic changes affecting vaccine protection, I believe it should now be clear that it is not possible to eliminate this virus from the population and that we should develop long-term plans for dealing with it after the unsupportable surges are fully controlled. Pandemic and seasonal influenza provide the most appropriate models to aid in developing strategies going forward.
(...)
Most predictions about the shape of the post–Covid-19 world have been inaccurate — a reflection of rapid changes in knowledge. But we can now see a picture emerging in which use of effective vaccines will continue to be critical over the long term. Increases in asymptomatic infections and mild illnesses in vaccinated people will nonetheless continue to be possible, as variants continue to emerge. Counts of hospitalizations and deaths may be more important in monitoring the overall impact than numbers of cases, as long as the vaccines continue to be largely effective at preventing severe illness. The possibility of severe illnesses in a small proportion of vaccinated people does emphasize one of the greatest unmet needs we currently face: continued emphasis on better therapeutics and antiviral agents, which will not be affected by molecular changes in the virus as much as vaccines are.
Skybird
11-20-21, 04:08 AM
NEJM, Octobre 2021, on boostering:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114255?query=featured_home
At least 12 days after the booster dose, the rate of confirmed infection was lower in the booster group than in the nonbooster group by a factor of 11.3 (95% confidence interval [CI], 10.4 to 12.3); the rate of severe illness was lower by a factor of 19.5 (95% CI, 12.9 to 29.5). In a secondary analysis, the rate of confirmed infection at least 12 days after vaccination was lower than the rate after 4 to 6 days by a factor of 5.4 (95% CI, 4.8 to 6.1).
It works.
Bull. You can't determine all that crap in just 12 days.
Jimbuna
11-20-21, 01:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy54I6fGFEA
Jimbuna
11-20-21, 01:47 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/59wHtvMW/121560792-world-card-15nov-nc.png (https://postimages.org/)
Jimbuna
11-20-21, 01:49 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/4NsYHdJ7/121741333-uk-card-with-vax-booster-20nov-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/Sj1SwmYk)
Skybird
11-20-21, 02:13 PM
The chief of the Robert Koch institute, which is Germany's CDC, said in an interview some days agao that on the numbers the RKI is releasing daily regarding infection case numbers, incidence rates and so forth, these numbers are, in his assessment, too low, owed to the archaic German registration and communication method that still excludes digitalization and modern IT infrastructure in many areas, obey office opening (and closure!) times and pencil and paper communication via snail mail. He said the real infection numbers probably are 3-4 times higher.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/710/493/f9b.png
Skybird
11-20-21, 03:09 PM
What has been the effect of the vaccines on non-Covid-related mortality? One of the more popular conspiracy theories that raises its ugly head time and again claims the vaccines may reduce Covid infections and serious/hospitalization/death cases, but raises increased negative outcomes in a number of other diseases as well, and not as am implication of Covid-patients blocking ICU places and hospital beds, but the vaccines biologically-chemically somehow causing this themselves, directly.
In brief: nonsense. Its not true. The study bases on 3% of the total US population, thats is a real big group, 11 million participants.
Actually, the vaccination with the Corona vaccines did not raise but lower mortality in other diseases as well. Conspiracy theory debunked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkVsXOZguLg
Skybird
11-20-21, 03:20 PM
And a very up-to-date study from the state of Texas. I give the link to the study, and Medcram's explanatory video as well.
The essence of it is already in the first paragraph:
"From September 4 through October 1, 2021:
Unvaccinated people were 13 times more likely to become infected with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people.
Unvaccinated people were 20 times more likely to experience COVID-19-associated
death than fully vaccinated people."
https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/Cases-and-Deaths-by-Vaccination-Status-11082021.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWMkeMA3sfA
Vaccination works.
Look at Brazil. And remember where they have been, and then see where they are now, thanbks to finally having started to frantically vaccinate as if - pardon the joke - their lives depend on it!
Vaccination works.
No doubt that vaccine protect a person more than no vaccine at all.
A story from our local area (on our little island with approx. 6000 habitants)
Last Friday 6 people had a party.
Two of them was fully vaccinated
Two of them was tested negative the day before-Thursday
Two of them was unknown-whether they were vaccinated or tested.
Four days later 4 of them was tested positive.
One of the vaccinated was tested positive
One who was tested negative was tested positive
and one of the other two was tested positive.
Can't remember who the fourth was.
It was in a bulletin in our local fb-group I read about it and the author of this bulletin said that the rest and others should go and take a test.
Don't ask me who's the guilty was.
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Skybird
11-20-21, 05:15 PM
In a Berlin birth center, an unvaccinated midwife infected a woman and her newborn with corona.
Freedom is when everyone can decide for themselves whether or not to be infected by a spreader. :yeah:
What a dumb woman. Why did she chose this infected midwife and not another one? Her fault, shame yourself, stupid woman! And shame on the baby for having gotten such a dumb mother.
The government here are planning on making it mandatory to get the vaccine for those who work at the hospital, with elderly or with vulnerable people.
And for people working for the state Denmark.
Don't know what will happen to those who still refuse to take the jab, if they lose their job or are send back home.
Markus
And shame on the baby for having gotten such a dumb mother.
:har::har: You tell em Sky!! :yep:
The government here are planning on making it mandatory to get the vaccine for those who work at the hospital, with elderly or with vulnerable people.
And for people working for the state Denmark.
Markus
And so they should! :yeah:
:har::har: You tell em Sky!! :yep:
And so they should! :yeah:
So far it's a request that they take the vaccine, there's a minority though who still haven't taken the vaccine.
Even in Sweden there are plans on making it mandatory.
Markus
If it was worldwide the virus would probably/eventually die off! :hmmm:
If it was worldwide the virus would probably/eventually die off! :hmmm:LMAO... good luck putting that particular genie back in the bottle considering that covid-19 has "jumped" the species barrier into not only domesticated/farmed animals but has been found in wild species as well. face it, just like the flu, covid-19 is here to stay.
Skybird
11-20-21, 08:48 PM
Since Delta we know for sure at the latest that herd immunity with this one will not become reality, like there is no herd immunity against flu (or cold).
Herd immunity was a hope with the early strains of the virus (but I wondered always why). One hopoed it would be like with sars 1 in 2003 (was it 2003? I think it was). Then the virus suddenly disappeared. But since Delta this year the hope has been thrown out of the window by most experts. The hope is no longer realistic, but compares to desperately grabbing for just any straw - even if it is just a fata morgana.
And we must expect that sooner or later the currently existing vaccines will become ineffective, too.
To only put money on the vaccine strategy, was a mistake, it came at the cost of not giving the development of drugs and cures to actually treat Covid19 the attention and ressocures it commanded. But I think here lies the real "exit strategy". The vaccines I see as a temporary - and for the time being necessary - improvised solution. The two pills revcently licenses for tretament, are showing the righr direction - but we could jhave covered more distance already if we ha dnotmlost so much time with "vaccines exclusively". Some month ago I posted on one or two German reserch projects that had very hopefully medicaiton candidades and asked for financial support, and Berlin turned them down, focussing exclusively on vaccine research only.
Vaccines are NOT the one big exist strategy that politicians talk of, I never believed that. They are a temporary improvisaton only, but a very good one. They buy us time, and this they do well, but we must not waste this time like we have done in past months, especially in Europe, and here again Germany, Austria. We are about to pay a high price for our phlegmatism and surreal "hoping".
Until today we have no vaccines against the common cold. And seasonal flu vaccines are effective only from 20%, 25% to maximum 45%, depending on how well they shuffled the dice for the mix of the year. Many old people benefit almost not at all from the jab, their immune system simply cannot do it anymore, thats why their mortality rate still is high although they got vaccinated against the running year's flu. By the legal demand and criterion of that vaccines should have a study-proven efficiency of at least 50%, these vaccines should not even be licensed, sold and administered, AFAIK no flu vaccine has ever proven its efficiency being 50% or higher. I dont understand why people make such a fuss about flu vaccinations for the older people. Even with young, stronger people they are surporisngly inefficient. Herd immunity regarding the flu?! Forget it! Not artifically, not naturally.
Some of the very same people accepting fly vaccines nevertheless now take a stand against Corona vaccines. Its self-contradictory and most absurd. My parents being two examples. Every year they are almost desperate if they think they get their flu shot too late. But Covid-19? At no cost, never.
Compared to flu vaccine efficiency, all Corona vaccines are shining stars leaving flu jabs in the dust behind.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2779440&postcount=9217
That paper is IMHO a well-aimed shot.
LMAO... good luck putting that particular genie back in the bottle considering that covid-19 has "jumped" the species barrier into not only domesticated/farmed animals but has been found in wild species as well. face it, just like the flu, covid-19 is here to stay.
I had no idea!! . . . Thanks China!! :doh:
@ Skybird, quite an eye opener.
I was actually hoping there was a light at the end of the tunnel, doesn't look like a good future for our Grandchildren! :wah:
Hopefully a miracle will happen. . . sooner than later! :oops::doh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9miLGPXBs4w
:hmmm:
Why the Germans? Best not watch that Sky!! :03:
Skybird
11-21-21, 08:57 AM
I watched it, but I dont get the point.
I was actually hoping there was a light at the end of the tunnel, doesn't look like a good future for our Grandchildren! :wah:
Hopefully a miracle will happen.
Most likely not. However, why so pessimistic? Sooner or later we will have learned to adapt to a slightly changed world. We live with so many deseases around, so one more or less will not make the cake more or less sweet.
The economic and financial fallout and the craving of governments to make use of this crisis to push even more for deep state and totalitarianism, of course in the name of only good things - that is something to worry about: the abuse of eco-policy to foster paternalism and commanded socialisation for group conformity and left Zeitgeist ideologies. Things shifted that direction already before, but Corona is like a catalysator accelerating this unholy trend. All our countries try to become more like China's controlled society, want more control, surveillance, nudging, social and material dependency and behavioural manipulation, they vary only in the success with which they hide it. The UK was the first in Europe babbling about somethign that has striking similiarities with China'S social scoring system, now it makes the round at the whole EU.
Thats is what concerns me much more than just a medical problem of huge proportions.
Some conclude from this all that they must have a counter-revolution by refusing vaccination and masks. That is just stupid. The medical problem gets defined by the reality as set by the virus, that politicians sometimes stry to hijack it for their own interests does not change this. The virus and its threat still are real.
That stat soften demand the wrong forms of compliance and submission (or for the wrong reasons) while failing in doing the right things or doing the right things in time - that is the problem here. In Germany the same mistakes have now been made for the fourth time. All waves have hit the pltlical elite as if it was the first time ever, they again and again were totally suprised and clueless and delayed action. The first time, when the problems were unknown and undefined, can be forgiven, one had to learn the new. But one refused to learn and to make it better in preparation for the next wave. And repeated the mistake from the first wave at the second wave, the third wave and now the fourth wave. I expect the new government failing for the sam reaosns again during the takeover, and then in the fifth wave. Take me by my words.
In germany the out-going healht minister, a real teflon man of great arrogance and incorrigibility who was late in decision making at every opportunity during this pandemic and afterwards blamed others for his failures and poses as innocent himself, now has said he wants to strictly limit the BionTech vaccine while we are in big need to booster, booster and booster - while our vaccinationc ampaign has stalled and BionTech at least has the by far highest acceptance rate amognst nGermans. He wants to not giv eit away anymore, instead wnats to enforce the use of Moderna, which spils timetables of vaccinaiton c entres and doctor who now have bigger tie dmeands to tlak people into even accepting it -a nd many will not, Moderna is not accepte dby huge parts of the population, and still the govenrment has stockpiled many doses who reach the end of their shelf life in the middle of next quarter. thats why he wants to factually prohibit the use of Biontech, and demand that ionly Moderna gets ordered. At the same time he wants to give away 8.5 million doeses from the German stock as donations to other countries!! Because he has faile (once again) in gettign donation schemes in place that for example would have given away the Moderna vaccine to states in africa. Net effect? The bossting campaiugn is about to get seriouslk stalled. because of one idiot in power who has no clue of anything and is totally disconnected form reality, like all his colleagues - ALL of them - as well.
Total and complete failure of the political caste over here. And with the next government things seem to become even worse.
Total immunity - against learning effects.
Add to this that at minimum 9000 nurses and covid doctors have quit because they were burnt out or were not willing to bear the politicians' madness any longer at their own cost and that of their families. The ICU beds still are there, in principle, but they are shut because they lack staff to operate them. The problem was known, polticla reaction: clapping hands, words, a mild fee last summer. No improving of the general - lousy - working situation for nurses which is known since years over here. Too few nurses, underpaid, too many overhours, newbies beign underqualified being left with triple the workloads of traine dnurses during their shifts, too exhausted to concentrate. Many say anonymously that regularly they are just lucky that patients do not die because of errors they made while being hopelessly exhausted.
Triage in preparation in many hospitals in Germany. And this with last years' boasting with the world's highest numbers of ICU's per 100k of population!
I heard that the anti-thing which is created by the vaccine does not protect all these 6-8 month as said earlier. Already after 3-4 month the anti-thing is low.
The doctors are shocked by this survey some expert in some other country had made about the anti-thing in the body of vaccinated people.
* Anti-thing, sorry keep on forgetting the correct name for it.
Markus
Skybird
11-21-21, 09:30 AM
The anti-thing :) starts to drop in levels after four months after the vaccination in case of BioNTech, and declines further in the following months. But that is the propteciton aga8nst getting infected in the first. The proteciton against suferinga sweruiosu case and neeidng to goi to hospitaöl and even iCU and even dying, stay much higher. It drops, but remains relatively high for 7-9 months. The developer and company founders say the vaccine should be reboosted after 9 months.
I have full proiteciton since mid-August. Seven months latert it will by mid of March, and then a chnage in situaiton, winter is over, soirng and summer is coming again, I will then decide whetehr to bvoost then already, or make it over the summer and boost again at around August again, so to be prepared for the winter.
Depends on whether Delta is still the talk of the day then - or an even worse bug has crawled out. As I see it, the main problem is the enormously high infection rate of Delta, it outruns the staying times of patients at hospitals.
Forgot something.
How quick the anti-thing disappear from the body has also to do with how old a person is. A person age 30 has double so much anti-thing after these 3-4 month, than a 60-70 years old has.
This should be the reason to why so many elderly fully vaccinated gets infected.
Markus
Skybird
11-21-21, 11:08 AM
https://twitter.com/drfrocester/status/1456668662744633349
This all medicines required to keep ONE covid patient safe for ONE day one critical care….
Or just ONE vaccine?
https://p6.focus.de/img/fotos/id_24402920/diese-ganze-medizin-braucht-es-um-einen-covid-patienten-einen-tag-lang-auf-der-intensivstation-zu-versorgen.-.jpg?im=Resize%3D%28630%2C472%29&hash=3694439983684c5d89a7eb90032e4913627d3d4187636 a071550e103103361ad
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDcgbSKWEAUf815?format=jpg&name=large
Wow is this what ONE Covid-19 person demands for one day at ICU ?
It sounds incredible but since you post the picture I must believe it's true.
Edit
I right clicked on the picture and found this German homepage
https://www.vfa.de/de/arzneimittel-forschung/woran-wir-forschen/therapeutische-medikamente-gegen-die-coronavirusinfektion-covid-19
End edit
Markus
Skybird
11-21-21, 11:35 AM
One of Germany's leading virologists, Christian Drosten, adds to the picture that he wishes people would be informed by the media on the medications in the left and right bottom corners. He said their sideffects are enormous and very, very severe.
That some people call corona vaccines a cash-in event for big pharma in the face of the above picture is debunked as a myth. If this were only about money exclsuivbely, they would have delayed and let fail the development of vaccines. Treating patients milks the cash-cow much more intensively. Mind you, patients in ICU stay in hospital for many weeks if not months, and then its long covid with another table full of cups and packages with pills.
Following may not be related to Corona virus, but it has to do with our immune system
'immune amnesia'
a mysterious phenomenon that's been with us for millennia, though it was only discovered in 2012. Essentially, when you're infected with measles, your immune system abruptly forgets every pathogen it's ever encountered before – every cold, every bout of flu, every exposure to bacteria or viruses in the environment, every vaccination. The loss is near-total and permanent. Once the measles infection is over, current evidence suggests that your body has to re-learn what's good and what's bad almost from scratch.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211112-the-people-with-immune-amnesia
Since BBC posted it, it made me wonder has this Corona Virus same effect on our immune system as this Measles ?
Markus
Just because i am sick and tired of these increasingly authoritarian minded fanbois. Its a reminder that there just might be a price to pay for taking these drugs.
https://www.habingfamily.com/obituary/michael-mike-granata
Obituary:
Michael "Mike" Anthony Granata
February 21, 1965 - November 01, 2021
...Mike was adamant that people know what happened to him that caused his early and unexpected death.
Message from Mike: “Many nurses and non-nursing staff begged me and my wife to get the truth out to the public about the Covid-19 vaccines because the truth of deaths from the vaccine was being hidden within the medical profession. I promised I would get the message out. So, here is my message: I was afraid of getting the vaccine for fear that I might die. At the insistence of my doctor, I gave in to pressure to get vaccinated. On August 17th I received the Moderna vaccine and starting feeling ill three days later. I never recovered but continued to get worse. I developed multisystem inflammation and multisystem failure that medical professionals could not stop. My muscles disappeared as if to disintegrate. I was in ICU for several weeks and stabbed with needles up to 24 times a day for those several weeks, while also receiving 6 or 7 IVs at the same time (continuously). It was constant torture that I cannot describe. I was no longer treated as a human with feelings and a life. I was nothing more than a covid vaccine human guinea pig and the doctors excited to participate in my fascinating progression unto death. If you want to know more, please ask my wife. I wished I would have never gotten vaccinated. If you are not vaccinated, don’t do it unless you are ready to suffer and die.”
Mike did not deserve the pain and suffering he endured. He was a good man and deserved better.
If the death rate was so high as the article indicate, the vaccine would be taken off line.
In Denmark they removed J&J as a vaccine due to blood clot
Every medicin has some negative side effect. Which some can be servere, but take that in numbers of vaccinated.
Here's the number of death in Denmark
Number of vaccinated first shot 4535368
Here 2,423 people died within 30 days after the first vaccine injection
This gives 0.0005 %
Number of fully vaccinated 4434345
Here 1,992 died within 30 days after the 2nd vaccine injection.
This gives 0.0004 %
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Jimbuna
11-21-21, 02:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7XeW8cCf3Y
If the death rate was so high as the article indicate, the vaccine would be taken off line.
In Denmark they removed J&J as a vaccine due to blood clot
Every medicin has some negative side effect. Which some can be servere, but take that in numbers of vaccinated.
Here's the number of death in Denmark
Number of vaccinated first shot 4535368
Here 2,423 people died within 30 days after the first vaccine injection
This gives 0.0005 %
Number of fully vaccinated 4434345
Here 1,992 died within 30 days after the 2nd vaccine injection.
This gives 0.0004 %
Markus
It's worth mentioning that if Granata was Danish his death would not be recorded on those 30 day stats that you posted. He got the first shot on August 17 but it took until November 1st to kill him.
It's worth mentioning that if Granata was Danish his death would not be recorded on those 30 day stats that you posted. He got the first shot on August 17 but it took until November 1st to kill him.
How many Americans have got the Moderna vaccine and how many lost their life due to this vaccine ?
For me it's nothing but numbers and percentage-
For the love ones it is a disaster for each life lost.
Markus
How many Americans have got the Moderna vaccine and how many lost their life due to this vaccine ?
For me it's nothing but numbers and percentage-
For the love ones it is a disaster for each life lost.
Markus
Some folks don't believe government numbers:
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-vaers-analysis-reveals-hundreds
New VAERS analysis reveals hundreds of serious adverse events that the CDC and FDA never told us about
They missed hundreds of serious adverse events that are more elevated than myocarditis. A new VAERS analysis done by Albert Benavides blows the doors off the "safe and effective" narrative.
The CDC and FDA have said the vaccines are “safe and effective.” They haven't found any serious issues with the COVID vaccines. Zero. Zip. Nada. It was the DoD that found myocarditis.
The evidence in plain sight shows that they are either lying or incompetent. Or both. But of course, the medical community is never going to call them on this.
So that’s where our team of vaccine safety experts comes in; to reveal the truth about what is really going on.
In a brand new VAERS data analysis performed by our friend Albert Benavides (aka WelcomeTheEagle88), we found hundreds of serious adverse events that were completely missed by the CDC that should have been mentioned in the informed consent document that are given to patients. And we found over 200 symptoms that occur at a higher relative rate than myocarditis (relative to all previous vaccines over the last 5 years). All together, there were over 4,000 VAERS adverse event codes that were elevated by these vaccines by a factor of 10 or more over baseline that the CDC should have warned people about.
As of November 1, 2021, there have been more adverse events reported for the COVID vaccines than for all 70+ vaccines combined since they started tracking adverse events 30 years ago. That’s a stunning statistic, nobody can deny it, but nobody in the mainstream medical community (or mainstream media) seems to care much. It’s not even worth noting in passing. Wow.
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