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Skybird

07-09-20, 06:41 AM

Just that the mutated strain now forms the vast majority of infections in the world and infect people easier, faster. ;) Translates into raised vulnerability of everybody.

The more virus load at exposition, the bigger the chance for a serious going of the desease.

The deeper into the lungs the virus gets inhaled at exposition, the smaller thge ammount of time for the immune system to learn to form according antibodies, and the faster the virus can overwhelm the depe mnside of the lung.

Thats why aerosols with small particles of lowe vorus load nevertheless are dangerous. Coughign droplets do not enter deep into the lung. Aerosols do, and then even a smaller virus load can do even greater damage.

That this does not get said any clearer imo is owed to poltical demands to lull people and avoid objections to "opening" the work places again.

I say: guys, switch on your brains. One does not need to strudy medicine to see the easy reason in some of the advice there is: avoid the exhale of people (social distancing), wear filtering (FFP2/3 or K/KN95) masks to protect not just others but also yourself, be aware of infectious exhales condensating on surfaces and being remaining toxic for 16-24 hours on paper, 3 days on steel and plastic, 1 year on deep-frozen food (-> wash your hands and wash them correctly, not just hush-hush as an alibi); keep the ammo stocks for the cannons of your immune system up to the max. Nothing of this is a cure,. nor a guarantee, but you shift the chances in your favour to hopefully get a milder form in case you get infected. You cannot increase the number of cannons in your immune system, you constantly lose some of them the older you get - but you can help to keep those you still have in good ammo supply. Thats all you and we all can do. Its easy enough.

All this shoudl be doine not becasue some authorities say so, or becasue it is mandator yin your district, or the polticians or experts say so. But becasue it is healthy reason to do so in this situation. Simply plain, healthy reason. And thus: self-interest.

A new study by John Ford clinics in the US, some kind of hospital union that is, claims that Hydroxicloroquine is effective. Howeer the study takes ploenty of Flak due to a seriosu methodological edrror: almost 80% of patients claimed to have fundamentally improved simuklatnbeously were given huge doses of steroids which are known to have an effect on Covid-19. Talking of confounding variables here. Thats why I took note of the study, but do not give too much for it. When I red the fineprint at the end ("conflict of interest" list), I also noticed that quite some of the lead authors are on the pamyent list of several pharmaceutical producers associated with the production chain of HCQ. Still the WH of course bangs the bongos with all four hands and feet.

Jimbuna

07-09-20, 08:25 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjuaPuiqYnA

vienna

07-09-20, 08:48 AM

The trends in just who is getting infected by Covid-19 in Los Angeles is taking a concerning turn:

Mayor Eric Garcetti said today at his press briefing that there have been too many social gatherings in Los Angeles, which is, simply put, the main reason we are seeing a surge in COVID-19 cases locally.

"There are still too many social gatherings, maybe too many pool parties this weekend, too many playdates, too many family barbecues" he said, adding that today, over 50% of those who tested positive for the disease are under 40 years old. Last week, it was 40% and several weeks ago, only 30% of positive cases were in the 18-40 age group.

Mayor Garcetti Says Too Many Angelenos Are Hanging Out With Friends, 'The Covid Test Is Not A Passport To Party' --

https://laist.com/latest/post/20200708/garcetti-update-coronavirus-july8-surge-losangeles

It seems the young 'invincibles' are increasingly falling victim to the virus, something which could be an indicator Covid-19 is mutating and seeking out healthier hosts to latch on to; if this is the case, I wonder how governments and businesses that have been so vocal about reopening and anti-mask will react when the major portion of their desired demographics is more significantly affected by the pandemic...?...

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Jimbuna

07-09-20, 09:43 AM

Two of the UK's biggest High Street retailers, John Lewis and Boots, announce 5,300 job cuts.

They come despite public spending to tackle the crisis rising to nearly £190bn ($240bn)

Charity Oxfam says 12,000 people a day could die from hunger - more than from Covid-19 itself.

It identifies 10 countries as potential hotspots, including Yemen, DR Congo and Afghanistan.

Australia's second-largest city, Melbourne, has begun a second lockdown.

The Trump administration says US schools should reopen on schedule, despite a surge in several states.

Globally there are now 12 million confirmed cases and almost 549,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-09-20, 09:51 AM

Coronavirus has been suppressed to a "low level" in Scotland, said First Minister Nicola Sturgeon as she outlined plans to ease the lockdown further. Let's take a look at the key points:

People in Scotland will be allowed to meet up in extended groups outdoors, and with two other households indoors, from Friday.
Exemptions to the 2m social distancing rule will also be introduced, but face coverings in shops will be mandatory.
From Monday, shopping centres will be able to reopen, while dentists and optometrists will be allowed to begin scaling up their work.
From Wednesday, hairdressers, barbers, indoor bars, restaurants, libraries, museums and cinemas can reopen.
Places of worship can resume services on Wednesday too - though numbers and singing will be limited. Restrictions on how many can attend funeral and wedding services will also be eased.
Personal retail services like beauticians and nail salons can reopen from 22 July.
Universities and colleges can implement a phased return to campuses from that 22 July, while Scotland's schools are due to reopen in full from 11 August.

A further two people have died after testing positive for coronavirus in Wales.
This takes the total number of deaths to 1,540, Public Health Wales says.
The number of virus cases recorded in Wales increased by 16 to 15,929.

The French city of Marseille will not host the Heineken Champions Cup and Challenge Cup rugby finals this year "due to the many uncertainties created by the Covid-19 pandemic".

India has urged the US to rethink a visa ruling that could force a large number of Indian students to return home.

Serbia's Prime Minister Ana Brnabic has confirmed that the government will not impose a weekend curfew in Belgrade, following two nights of protests in the capital.

A royal family in South Africa has confirmed the death of Queen Noloyiso Sandile from Covid-19.
A sister to the current Zulu monarch, King Goodwill Zwelithini, Queen Noloyiso, 56, served as regent of the amaRharhabe royal family.

Jimbuna

07-09-20, 02:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO05T4tNcRg

Onkel Neal

07-09-20, 10:33 PM

Just as expected, deaths in Texas beginning the jump to lightspeed.

https://i.redd.it/xwtvq1vj5x951.png

vienna

07-10-20, 01:21 AM

Well, ...ya know, ...its just a flu, bro...

Say, didn't someone, back when this started, say, with a certainty, Covid-19 would disappear by April? I just guess now he'll claim now he didn't really specify which April... :03:

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Jimbuna

07-10-20, 05:03 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utMREADbtAc

Jimbuna

07-10-20, 05:05 AM

Travellers arriving in the UK from dozens of countries no longer have to self-isolate for two weeks.

The rules are being relaxed for arrivals from more than 60 countries and British overseas territories.

Hong Kong is to suspend all schools amid a spike in locally-transmitted cases of Covid-19, officials confirm.

Top US diseases expert Dr Anthony Fauci has said some states in the country reopened too fast.
"We're in a very difficult, challenging period right now," he said.
It comes as the US posted another record rise in cases of more than 65,000 in 24 hours - according to Johns Hopkins University.

Singapore is holding a national election with strict safety measures in place.

New Zealand's ex-PM Helen Clark, appointed to a WHO panel, says the global response has been "flat-footed"

A second South American leader, this time in Bolivia, has tested positive for the virus, following Brazil's Bolsonaro.

Globally there are now 12.2 million cases and more than 550,000 deaths.

Platapus

07-10-20, 05:23 AM

This thing is not over nor going away.

Mask wearing in my part of the state has gone down. I guess since we are in "Phase Two" people think that masks are not necessary.

In Grocery stores it seems to be about 75% mask wearing. But in other areas it seems about 50% if that.

Wearing masks sucks and it especially sucks in the hot and humid environment where I live. But we still need to do it.

One thing this crisis has shown me is which people simply don't care about other people.

Skybird

07-10-20, 05:36 AM

Catfish

07-10-20, 05:40 AM

^@Skybird after Sars and Corona I only heard about the bubonic plague in China, now there's more?
Wow those dictatorships really have it all under control :doh:

^^@Platapus: Very true.

On the other (dumb) hand, it is undemocratic to have lockdowns, it is unpatriotic or undemocratic (choose) to wear face masks, and corona is just the flu or a democrat's hoax.
It would be so unselfish and unamerican to care for others.
I know it's only 50 percent who think so but it is enough to make it all look very ugly.

Skybird

07-10-20, 05:44 AM

Correction: not the Chinese government denies the reports, but the Kazachan health ministry.

Catfish: https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/news/1772-menschen-gestorben-neu-lungenenzuendung-chinesische-botschaft-in-kasachstan-warnt-vor-unbekanntem-virus_id_12194923.html

Some virologists warn of a whole volley pf pandemics caused by virusses transmitting from animals to humans. Africa and Asia: wild meat. Just look at what people eat, and you cnanot really be surprised. Wet markets in these parts of the world imo are a nightmare. I feel ill by just watching the pictures. Delicious recipes do not really cover the truth.

Botanic meat surrogates all do not convince me so far, or better: wtaever I dared to taste in the past years, tasted awful. But i will happily migrate to artifical meat cultures from glas tubes once they get the part on the fat and consistence right. Once it looks, smells, tastes, behaves in the pan and feels like meat, I buy it - even for twice or three times the price of meat today. But not this vegan crap they do now and that has nothing in common with meat at all.

Onkel Neal

07-10-20, 06:58 AM

Some media report the Chinese embassy in Kazachstan reported to Bejing that a new unknown and much more aggressive lung desease there has killed 1800 in little time. Confronted by these reports, Bejing denies.

Deep stare trance.

Oh boy, let's hope this isn't the next thing
https://us.cnn.com/2020/07/10/asia/kazakhstan-pneumonia-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

Catfish

07-10-20, 07:19 AM

Oh boy, let's hope this isn't the next thing
https://us.cnn.com/2020/07/10/asia/kazakhstan-pneumonia-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html
No sweat, not before the bubonic plague is here :yeah:

Skybird

07-10-20, 10:54 AM

Into the heart.

Covid-19 not only attacks the lungs, but also other organs, such as the heart. To what extent, researchers at the University Medical Center Hamburg-Eppendorf (UKE) have now investigated: According to their results, the coronavirus can infect heart cells and even multiply in them. In addition, it is able to change the gene activity of infected heart cells, it said in a press release from the clinic.

Gene activity determines whether a gene in a cell is on or off. This activity controls special cell functions - in pregnancy, for example, switching on certain genes ensures that breast milk is produced.

"Until now, it was not known how many cases Sars-CoV-2 also affects the heart and - if it does - whether it can multiply in cardiac cells and cause pathological changes there," says study director Dirk Westermann from the University Heart and vascular center of the UKE. "With the test results now available, we have significantly more clarity."

In about two thirds of the patients examined (24 out of 39), the researchers were able to detect the coronavirus during an autopsy in the heart tissue. In 16 cases, they found the virus in quantities that could have had clinical effects (more than a thousand copies of the virus per microgram of RNA). The researchers identified the plus and minus strand of the virus genome in five patients with the highest virus levels. "This is a sign that the virus is also multiplying in the cell in question," said Westermann.

However, it cannot yet be conclusively clarified whether this change in the heart cells will also have an impact on the course of the disease. The team of scientists had examined the activity of six inflammatory genes in more detail. The activity of these genes was therefore significantly increased in the 16 infected with the highest viral load.

"This could have been an indication of myocarditis," said Westermann. "Nevertheless, we have not been able to find any typical signs of such an inflammation - for example the influx of inflammatory cells from the surrounding tissue into the heart muscle."

The results support the previous observation that heart muscle inflammation associated with Covid-19 is very rare. However, the altered gene activity in the heart cells caused by the infection could have long-term consequences for the health of those affected. In order to clarify this, screening tests on living Covid 19 patients will be necessary in the future.

Jimbuna

07-10-20, 11:29 AM

A further 48 people have died in the UK after testing positive for coronavirus, the Department of Health and Social Care confirms.

It brings the total number of people who have died to 44,650.

Mr Quatro

07-10-20, 11:31 AM

Some media report the Chinese embassy in Kazachstan reported to Bejing that a new unknown and much more aggressive lung desease there has killed 1800 in little time. Confronted by these reports, Bejing denies.

Deep stare trance.

^@Skybird after Sars and Corona I only heard about the bubonic plague in China, now there's more?
Wow those dictatorships really have it all under control :doh:

^^@Platapus: Very true.

Correction: not the Chinese government denies the reports, but the Kazachan health ministry.

Some virologists warn of a whole volley pf pandemics caused by virusses transmitting from animals to humans. Africa and Asia: wild meat. Just look at what people eat, and you cnanot really be surprised. Wet markets in these parts of the world imo are a nightmare. I feel ill by just watching the pictures. Delicious recipes do not really cover the truth.

Botanic meat surrogates all do not convince me so far, or better: wtaever I dared to taste in the past years, tasted awful. But i will happily migrate to artifical meat cultures from glas tubes once they get the part on the fat and consistence right. Once it looks, smells, tastes, behaves in the pan and feels like meat, I buy it - even for twice or three times the price of meat today. But not this vegan crap they do now and that has nothing in common with meat at all.

Oh boy, let's hope this isn't the next thing
https://us.cnn.com/2020/07/10/asia/kazakhstan-pneumonia-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

is very scary about what's happening in the world right now.

It's happening on our watch ... My boss said it's not over yet. I wonder if this is what he meant :o

Mr Quatro

07-10-20, 11:37 AM

Not like the old news reel days, uh?

https://www.koaa.com/news/coronavirus/u-s-navy-aircraft-carrier-returns-home-after-virus-outbreak

U.S. Navy aircraft carrier returns home after virus outbreak

SAN DIEGO — The USS Theodore Roosevelt returned home to San Diego on Thursday led by a new captain who came aboard after the previous commanding officer was fired over the handling of a massive COVID-19 outbreak on board.

There were no emotional embraces on the Navy pier typical of such homecomings when sailors return after months at sea.

Instead, the crew wearing face coverings disembarked one by one and walked to waiting vehicles to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, marking a quiet and sterile end to one of the Navy's most tumultuous non-combat deployments.

Jimbuna

07-10-20, 01:15 PM

It is understood the UK government is looking at whether to make face coverings compulsory in shops in England.

Travellers arriving in the UK from dozens of countries no longer have to self-isolate for two weeks.

The rules are being relaxed for arrivals from more than 70 countries and British overseas territories.

Hong Kong is to suspend all schools amid a spike in locally-transmitted cases of Covid-19, officials confirm.

The UK has opted out of the EU's Covid-19 vaccine scheme.

Top US diseases expert Dr Anthony Fauci has said some states in the country reopened too fast.

It comes as the US posted another major rise in cases, some 63,247 in 24 hours - according to Johns Hopkins University.

Globally there are now 12.3 million cases and more than 556,000 deaths.

mapuc

07-10-20, 01:58 PM

Only thing I'm a little worried about is the opening of the Danish society-which I think happened to fast.

I live on an island who gets it's economy from turist-most Germans, Swedes, Norwegians and Danes.

Our busses is filled as herring in a barrel and people are gathering very close.

The Danish government have increased the number of how many can gathered from 10 to 50.

I would not be surprised if the R0 goes up here in Denmark.

From a news program some month ago, before opening face 2 they showed a picture of some diagram-here the viewer could see the difference between income and risk of infection
(from memory)
Those section of the society who would earn most by opening was those who was allowed to open in face two. Some of these had also the highest risk of infection.

Markus

Skybird

07-10-20, 03:31 PM

Houston hospitals completely overwhelmed, lost:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/all-hospitals-are-full-houston-overwhelmed-icus-leave-covid-19-n1233430

This is why we do all these things to keep infections low: masks, social distancing, hygiene; this is why we try to flatten the curve, distribute infections over longer time instead of havign too many in too short a time: to not see our hospitals being overwhelmed like this.

And then some coldblooded psychopath comes along and ruins it all with his criminal tongue and brutal egoism. And some plebs still cheer. Shame on them, shame, shame, shame! They all have blood on their hands.

Skybird

07-10-20, 07:13 PM

Trump, as well as Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro and Russia's Vladimir Putin, must have felt his ears burning when the German Chancellor demolished their approaches to the coronavirus in a speech Thursday. "As we are experiencing firsthand, you cannot fight the pandemic with lies and disinformation any more than you can fight it with hate or incitement to hatred," Merkel said. "The limits of populism and denial of basic truths are being laid bare."

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The long way home
https://www.bbc.com/news/53193835

Jimbuna

07-11-20, 04:35 AM

The US recorded 63,643 new cases on Friday and experts fear there will soon be a spike in deaths.

Belgium has made the wearing of masks compulsory in shops, cinemas and other indoor settings.

It is understood the UK government is looking at whether to make face coverings compulsory in shops in England.

France has officially come out its state of 'health emergency'

India has seen another big spike in infections, rising to over 820,000

Globally the number of cases has passed 12.5 million with more than 560,000 deaths.

The head of the World Health Organization has called for an aggressive approach to fight the virus.

Skybird

07-11-20, 05:42 AM

CEO of German biotech company Biontech says even if there will be vaccines, global population will take up to 10 years before immunization levels of 90% has been reached by vaccines or infections.

Biontech hopes to have a vaccine ready by the end of this year. They are already producing for stockpiling. Phase 3 of their testing trials is about to begin.

Problem I conclude on from readings of the past two weeks is that me might not need just one, but several vaccines.

I read suspiciously little about the the feared paradox reinforcement effect that earlier was described to be a problem with antibodies to this virus. This effect, demonstrated to be a real threat in other virusses like Dengue fever for example, cause a paradox effect of antibodioes formed up in reacitron to an vaccine exposition. If the varrie rif these antibodies later meets the lviing viorus int he wild and gets ifnected, these antibodies then do not battle the virus, but "paradoxically" helpt it, increasing the severity of the overall ifneciton drsamatically this way. Seasonal flu shots are under suspciipon of beign haunte dby this effect, too. It may explain why some people who get their first flu shot ever in their life, become ill quickly and then suffer an unusually tough form of the flu.

I am not generally anti vaccines, by far not, but one has to know it all , not just the positives. Usually I see it as a weighing of positives versus the negatives, and a general risk assessment.The politically correct narration is that every form of vaccination under all circumstances is always popsitive. Thats simple it is not. That it isn not you cna already see in the fact that vaccination strerngths get doesed dependign on yoru age, the older you are, the less potent the flu shot is that you get: down to less than 50% of what a healthy strong adult in his best years may get. The growing risk gets balanced against the hoped-for gains.

Jimbuna

07-11-20, 08:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grhl9Q0QO60

Jimbuna

07-11-20, 08:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg927g0HLjs

Jimbuna

07-11-20, 08:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKfsnI4pllw

Jimbuna

07-11-20, 10:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL-n0LWBEJQ

Mr Quatro

07-11-20, 11:40 AM

Quick (strange) thought :o

How long do you think this thread will last? :hmmm:

Onkel Neal

07-11-20, 01:10 PM

Until the last of us drops dead from the 5th time mutated virus in a dreary post apocalyptic wold.

Why do you think the thread is going to end?

Mr Quatro

07-11-20, 01:50 PM

Until the last of us drops dead from the 5th time mutated virus in a dreary post apocalyptic wold.

Why do you think the thread is going to end?

I told you it was a strange thought ... Makes one wonder, uh?

Skybird

07-11-20, 01:57 PM

Quick (strange) thought :o

How long do you think this thread will last? :hmmm:
Post release Fallout 7 or 8, I assume. Artificial intelligence-enriched virusses with nuclear teflon-anti-vaccine plating will then take over forum moderation and deny membership to evertyhing walking on two legs: their life membership then will be terminated.

Aktungbby

07-11-20, 03:12 PM

Quick (strange) thought :o

How long do you think this thread will last? :hmmm:

Until the last of us drops dead from the 5th time mutated virus in a dreary post apocalyptic wold.

Why do you think the thread is going to end?

I told you it was a strange thought ... Makes one wonder, uh? Now that we're all on the same wavelength: MODERATOR :please conjoin both threds::O: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2551078&postcount=1 (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2551078&postcount=1)
No need to wait for a comet; Mother Nature has taken command of the situation and will reduce earth's population waaaaay down from 8,000,000,000 of which 1,400,000,000 are voracious Chinese seeking global domination....Tibet's takeover in '59 was only the beginning!!In addition to which, Black death,
Avian Flu, and Swine-flu are currently causing problems in China along side the Covid 19 issue....Throw in the Global warming...and the nuclear clock stands at 100 seconds to midnight: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Doomsday_clock_%281.67_minutes%29.svg/96px-Doomsday_clock_%281.67_minutes%29.svg.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Doomsday_clock_(1.67_minutes).svg) Oh and about the comet: always the harbinger of disaster(since 1066https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Comete_Tapisserie_Bayeux.jpg/220px-Comete_Tapisserie_Bayeux.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Comete_Tapisserie_Bayeux.jpg)) Comet Neowise just entered the solar system on the 3rd https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/2AB95045-2E0D-4748-8569D876D35FFFBD_source.jpg?w=590&h=800&A085074A-66E5-40D6-B7FD21D489952F0BPerhaps in our case, we should call it...Neodumb!:O: :oops: :nope::dead:

Skybird

07-11-20, 03:44 PM

To the disgust of the Spanish natives, German tourists on Mallorca throw parties in flocks of hundreds, without any social distancing and without wearing masks at all. The picture series on this site shows how it looks like in the Beer Street on the "Ballermann". On TV there was worse to be seen.

https://www.mallorcazeitung.es/multimedia/fotos/lokales/2020-07-11-187818-party-ballermann.html

In a few days these stupids will return to Germany in significant numbers, and will distribute across all of Germany.

...

:o

em2nought

07-12-20, 12:15 AM

Dr. Richard Bartlett shared exclusive news with OAN about how asthma medicine Budesonide emptied a hospital ICU after being used to treat coronavirus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY0VLgnQ59c

Jimbuna

07-12-20, 05:16 AM

Jimbuna

07-12-20, 05:24 AM

The US - the country hardest hit by the coronavirus - on Saturday posted more than 66,000 new cases, a daily record.

President Donald Trump finally wore a mask in public for the first time since the pandemic began.

Amitabh Bachchan, one of India's best known film actors, has tested positive for Covid-19

India has seen another surge in infections, rising to over 820,000

MPs have called for the government to clarify its position on face coverings in England.

A Scottish pilot who spent more than two months on life support in Vietnam with coronavirus is on his way home.

More than 12.7m cases of Covid-19 have been reported globally, and 565,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-12-20, 05:30 AM

Prof Robin Shattock, who leads Imperial College London's vaccine team, says its Covid-19 vaccine could be rolled out across the UK in the first half of next year if everything goes "really well".

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says her government must take a "very close look" at how to avoid people from rest of the UK bringing coronavirus into Scotland.

Thousands of Israelis in Tel Aviv took to the streets on Saturday to protest against the government’s handling of the coronavirus crisis.

Japan’s capital Tokyo reported 206 new infections on Saturday, the fourth straight day of more than 200 cases.

Reece

07-12-20, 05:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY0VLgnQ59c
I keep my fingers crossed!! :yep:

Dowly

07-12-20, 05:47 AM

I keep my fingers crossed!! :yep:
Save your fingers, it's the OAN.

Reece

07-12-20, 07:29 AM

If it's fake then it's in very poor taste!! :nope:

vienna

07-12-20, 08:00 AM

OAN is a really Far-Right cable news channel with all the baggage extreme Far-Right entais; it is not fake in the sense OAN is real, but OAN does deal in a whole slew of conspiracy theories, wildly unattributed "sources" and a news 'style' best described as "supermarket tabloid with an extreme political bent"; anything OAN reports should be taken with pounds, not grains, of salt and any claim they make of facts should also be thoroughly fact-checked; OAN has been caught several times making absolutely false reports...

One America News Network --

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_America_News_Network

I do agree that such reportage is in very poor taste, even more so when it has the potential to tragically affect lives; particularly of those who may be taken in by such charlatanism...

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Bilge_Rat

07-12-20, 10:39 AM

.. it is not fake in the sense CNN is real, but CNN does deal in a whole slew of conspiracy theories, wildly unattributed "sources" and a news 'style' best described as "supermarket tabloid with an extreme political bent"; anything CNN reports should be taken with pounds, not grains, of salt and any claim they make of facts should also be thoroughly fact-checked; CNN has been caught several times making absolutely false reports...

hmmm, anyone notice the similarities....:ping:

Mr Quatro

07-12-20, 10:47 AM

hmmm, anyone notice the similarities....:ping:

Yes I do ... They both have something to sell you in between the news :yep:

Jimbuna

07-12-20, 12:38 PM

A further 21 deaths have been recorded in the UK, bringing the total recorded figure to 44,819.

The figure includes deaths recorded in all settings - hospitals, care homes and the wider community - as of 17:00 BST on Saturday.

A further 650 cases in the UK have been confirmed, bringing the total to 289,603.

Skybird

07-12-20, 12:52 PM

Redearchers in a German hospital confirm earlier reports of Chinese scientists that antibodies dissappear after short time and thus immunization effects go away. They found this happening in half of their patients.

If further confirmed, this is the worst news we could have gotten.

The findings are not without criticism. Some say it is positives that never healed out. But they already said that - without gibing further evidence - when the Chinese said something like this already weeks ago. It starts to sound like whistleing alone in the dark forest.

I more and more agree with those thinking that we may not nerd one or a few, but many different vaccines. And they may be effective only for limited time, one season or so, maybe even less?

Catfish

07-12-20, 01:22 PM

It is true one does not know yet enough off this "virus", but the missing of ready antibodies usually does not mean a species has not acquired some immunity. The information to quickly form required antibodies is stored for a certain amount of time.
When the persons observed are getting really sick again, this would be real bad news = meaning the acquired information in the T-cells is already gone, or the immunosystem's reaction develops too slow despite of the existing 'knowledge'.

Skybird

07-12-20, 03:23 PM

^Those were patients with confirmed Covid 19 infection, Catfish. They were immune after recovering, and later lost their antibodies again in little time. Half of them.

The Chinese rang alarm on this already several weeks ago. The WHO, as usual, tried to supress it as unwelcomed news. Hell, they still argue against wearing masks. I want Germany too to stop funding these comical Alis. :o

A commentig n theory says that maybe the vorus load at exposition polays a role. Asymmptom,atic patients may suffer not seriously enough to form a fully developement antibody suite = immunity, and then find these light dfeence vansih quickly and the pewrosn vulnerable again, whereas serious casdes may form more antoibodies and more robust immunity that last for longer - if the pateint survives. But that is not proven, and just a version of the narration, I understood. Would be hell hwoever to learn that mild forms of Covid does not free you from t he need to suffer a serious, risky painful going of the desease later on to get better immunity, so I would not call this explanation attempt more hopeful. It isn'T. Its especially grim, I would say.

Mr Quatro

07-12-20, 03:39 PM

^Those were patients with confirmed Covid 19 infection, Catfish. They were immune after recovering, and later lost their antibodies again in little time. Half of them.

Come on man, we still have a 50/50 chance of survival ... :D

I finally get tested next week. I will keep you informed :up:

mapuc

07-12-20, 05:35 PM

It was in the Swedish news some days ago, about people who had lost their immunity after some weeks or so.

Vaccine:

Let see if I can get this straight.

When we hear or read the word Vaccine, we probably think of syringes and liquid that a doctor injects into the body.

Maybe in this case, the Corona case it may be different.

Due to this short time immunity, we could end up with pills.

1-2 Pills per week or 1-2 pills every 14 days.

Then the question is, who shall have the right to these pills.

Markus

em2nought

07-12-20, 11:11 PM

vienna

07-13-20, 01:13 AM

hmmm, anyone notice the similarities....:ping:

Maybe, but there is one very big difference; CNN, and other MSM outlets, are very good about making corrections and/or retractions when they are caught out on factual matters, very often making the adjustments by direct mention on future edits of an article or report, and making specif note of what has been revised or deleted to make a report more accurate, whereas OAN, and other of its ilk, make wild, inaccurate and often patently false reports and, when caught out or challenged, make almost no effort to correct their reportage, opting to just ignore factual proof/evidence refute their claims; I don't know about anyone else, but I am far more inclined to give more credence to sources willing to acknowledge their failings and seek to se the record straight tan I am to give credence to sources with long track records of denying their own failings; its called responsibility and OAN, Hannitty, and others of that stripe seem to lack that virtue big time...

I do want to point out Fox News does make note of edits in their initial reportage in later iterations, but, far more often than not, they do not specify the nature of the edit/retraction; where, say, CNN will put at the end of their articles something like "EDIT: the name of the quoted source was mistakenly reported and has been changed" along with the specifics of the change/deletion, Fox News simply puts something like "Edit made to original article 07/13/2020" with no specifics as to what has been changed or omitted; I guess its easier to give the impression of accuracy if you don't acknowledge your mistakes, particularly glaring ones...

God, wouldn't it be just horrible if something mentioned on OAN turned out to beneficial. :har: The horror!

Oh. I'm sure OAN has done beneficial reportage before; every dog has its day... :har::har:

Oh, wait, do you mean beneficial in general, to the broader public, or beneficial to a niche, or, perhaps, beneficial to a certain individual who, himself, is no paragon of honesty, accuracy, or truth... :03:

I tend to look at reportage as a sort of LCD situation: strip away all the rhetoric, establish the knowable, provable fact(s), and deal with that core information as what to think about and consider...

If I'm having car trouble, and one mechanic blames the problem on my not driving a Ford, and a second mechanic blames the problem on my not driving a Chevy, I think I'll take the advice of the guy who simply tells me something like "Your car needs a front end realignment..."...

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Jimbuna

07-13-20, 04:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBRIAqA-czQ

Jimbuna

07-13-20, 04:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wshkM1mkBOU

Jimbuna

07-13-20, 04:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UadD-r3Jows

Skybird

07-13-20, 08:18 AM

Now also Kings College London indicates that immunity may only be short-lived.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-53386093

We're screwed, if true. And the indices are mounting that it is true.

Jimbuna

07-13-20, 01:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Y04ZxJwJY

Jimbuna

07-13-20, 01:42 PM

Too many countries are headed in the wrong direction, says the head of the World Health Organization.

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus warns that mixed messages from leaders are undermining public trust.

Coronavirus immunity may only last for months, according to a study by King's College London.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson says it is "important to wear masks in shops"

In England, nail bars, beauty salons, spas, and tattoo parlours have been allowed to reopen.

Scotland reports no new deaths for fifth day in a row.

Mexico now has the fourth-most virus deaths, passing Italy.

Globally there have been 12.9 million confirmed cases with 568,000 deaths.

Platapus

07-13-20, 05:45 PM

1-2 Pills per week or 1-2 pills every 14 days.

Then the question is, who shall have the right to these pills.

Markus

If it is up to the USA Health care system, only those who can afford to pay the $500.00 per pill price.

mapuc

07-13-20, 06:02 PM

If it is up to the USA Health care system, only those who can afford to pay the $500.00 per pill price.

I wasn't exactly thinking on USA only, but the entire world.

You are right though, the price per pill would be sky high

Markus

Skybird

07-14-20, 03:01 AM

Look what happened with Remdesivir.

vienna

07-14-20, 04:33 AM

https://i.etsystatic.com/9059358/r/il/f00370/2335877282/il_794xN.2335877282_dx5f.jpg

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Jimbuna

07-14-20, 04:43 AM

France awards health workers pay rises worth €8bn (£7.2bn; $9bn) after a series of protests.

The number of confirmed global infections since the outbreak began passes 13m

In England, face masks will be compulsory in shops from 24 July.

The UK could see about 120,000 new coronavirus deaths in a second wave of infections this winter.

California reimposes restrictions on indoor activities including bars and restaurants.

Singapore's economy plunges by 41% compared to the previous quarter.

Hong Kong Disneyland to close less than a month after reopening, as the city reimposes distancing rules.

Jimbuna

07-14-20, 04:51 AM

At least 43 people in the US state of Michigan have tested positive for coronavirus after attending a party.

As the number of coronavirus cases in India continues to rise, people have been urged to wear face masks.
But there is no system to safely dispose of protective equipment and rubbish collectors say the waste is putting their lives at risk.

Iran has reinstated restrictions in the capital, Tehran, to combat a resurgence of Covid-19.

A photograph, shared tens of thousands of times on social media, appears to show President Trump not wearing a mask correctly (with his nose left uncovered) during his visit to a military hospital.

India's Jammu and Kashmir will open for tourism in phases starting from Tuesday, authorities have said.

The southern Indian city of Bangalore, with a population of more than 8 million people, will go back under lockdown for a week amid rising cases.

Health officials in the capital Tokyo are appealing for more than 800 theatregoers to get tested for the virus - after a stage production was found to be the source of dozens of cases.

Jimbuna

07-14-20, 04:52 AM

Which countries are worst affected?
More than 13 million people have been infected with Covid-19 and that number is rising sharply.

Here are the worst affected countries in terms of overall caseloads:

US: 3,363,056 cases

Brazil: 1,884,967 cases

India: 878,254 cases

Russia: 732,547 cases

Peru: 330,123 cases

Here are the places where the most people have died:

US: 125,605 deaths

Brazil: 72,833 deaths

United Kingdom: 44,915 deaths

Mexico: 35,491 deaths

Italy: 34,967 deaths

This is all according to a running tally by Johns Hopkins University.

Skybird

07-14-20, 05:26 AM

To enforce social distancing, a pub owner in Cornwall installed this:
https://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/origs12207217/505476278-w630-h358-o-q75-p5/kneipe-strom.jpg

An electric wire fence.

10 points for creative thinking!

vienna

07-14-20, 07:34 AM

A shocking idea...

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Mr Quatro

07-14-20, 08:31 AM

This is the day I go in for a heart scan planned 3 and 1/2 months ago by the VA and what do I wake up to, but this news. :o

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-damage-heart-according-study-134858952.html

The coronavirus can damage the heart, according to a major new study which found abnormalities in the heart function of more than half of patients who had scans.

The new findings are significant because they add to a growing field of evidence that suggest coronavirus damages not only the heart but also other major organs.

The research, drawing on data from 69 countries, found that 55% of 1,261 patients scanned had abnormally functioning hearts.

Around one in seven patients who were scanned showed 'severe abnormalities' which were likely to have a significant impact on their chances of survival and recovery.

Skybird

07-14-20, 08:43 AM

A shocking idea...
<O>

Beer is in the air everywhere I look around,
Beer is in the air every sight and every sound...

"Was guckst Du so stier, Bube? Warst Du in der Bierstube?"
"No, I got electroshocked!" :roll:

vienna

07-14-20, 08:53 AM

This is the day I go in for a heart scan planned 3 and 1/2 months ago by the VA and what do I wake up to, but this news. :o

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-damage-heart-according-study-134858952.html

This virus is indeed very, very serious and, as much as medicine seems to think they know, there is much yet to be found given this is such an unknown as to what it can affect or harm...

I want to wish you good luck on you scan and its results; if you will forgive me quoting Bill Clinton, honestly "I feel your pain" as someone who is currently going through the process of scans, etc.; hang tough... :salute:

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vienna

07-14-20, 09:30 AM

Its become rather interesting to see how very many of those who publicly claimed Covid-19 is a hoax or that its not that bad a disease seem to be just as publicly suffering from the affliction and in a lot of the cases paying for their denials, sadly, with their lives; withing the past week, I have seen at least three reports of persons dying who had mocked or denied the seriousness of Covid-19, one who actually attended a "Covid-19 party" with the aim of demonstrating the disease is not as infectious as claimed; he might just as well have engaged in a round of Russian Roulette...

Just as interesting are the GOP governors and mayors, who previously also decided to back the White House line on Covid-19 ('just the flu', 'sniffles', 'it'll be gone by July', 'masks are unnecessary', etc.) who, now that their constituencies are being walloped by disease spikes, have 'found religion' and are backing away from the party line; I guess its kind of like a battlefield where the guys who have just come face to face with live fire and appreciate the strength of the enemy suddenly realize just how full of it the REMFs really are...

One such recently outspoken GOP governor is Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves who gave a very detailed and practical debunking of a favorite Far-Right Covid-19 argument:

Republican Gov Debunks Right-Wing Coronavirus Theory In Stirring Call For Masks --

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tate-reeves-coronavirus-herd-immunity_n_5f0d42ecc5b6df6cc0b0852c

Gotta like a guy who can back up his points with cold, hard numbers and not just empty partisan political puffery...

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Jimbuna

07-14-20, 12:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXUmFmZV8Vw

Jimbuna

07-14-20, 12:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-I5piVSGf4

Onkel Neal

07-14-20, 03:56 PM

CLOSED CASES: 1,720,280
Cases which had an outcome:
1,581,328 (92%)
Recovered / Discharged

138,952 (8%)
Deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

So at this rate, if everyone in the US contracts covid19, that means 13 million Americans will die.

Onkel Neal

07-14-20, 03:58 PM

Just as interesting are the GOP governors and mayors, who previously also decided to back the White House line on Covid-19 ('just the flu', 'sniffles', 'it'll be gone by July', 'masks are unnecessary', etc.) who, now that their constituencies are being walloped by disease spikes, have 'found religion' and are backing away from the party line; I guess its kind of like a battlefield where the guys who have just come face to face with live fire and appreciate the strength of the enemy suddenly realize just how full of it the REMFs really are...

Umm... and California.:88)

mapuc

07-14-20, 04:07 PM

I have tried to find a reason to why:

There's a different in treatment of covid-19 patients.

Ordinary are placed in a respirator

VIP's like high ranked politicians are put in oxygen tent

From hearing and reading the news here in Denmark and Sweden, the death rate among people who have been put in a respirator is higher, than those who are placed in a oxygen tent.

Why ??

Markus

Skybird

07-14-20, 04:35 PM

For the first time ever, French doctors proved that a pregnant woman transmitted the virus to her unborn baby.

:-?

More confirmation for that the virus can infect cells in the heart muscle, stick there, multiply there.

More indices collected for the vorus beign able to seriously harm the brain by imemdioate as well as lng-term consequences. Risks for strikes for example may get seriously increased, and materialise years later - as a consequence from Covid 19.

Parts of Switzerland ban the use of acryl-glass face shields. Their protection against aerosols is almost nil. I think it is so obvious that it is, that I wonder why they even were allowed in the first. They should be generally banned, everywhere. They are a joke, an alibi.

https://www.welt.de/img/wissenschaft/mobile211616231/9432505857-ci102l-w1024/41-Internationale-Automobilausstellung-2020-in-Bangkok.jpg

This damn beast is a perfect storm. And malicious and diverse like only very few other bugs.

Skybird

07-14-20, 04:41 PM

From hearing and reading the news here in Denmark and Sweden, the death rate among people who have been put in a respirator is higher, than those who are placed in a oxygen tent.

Why ??

Markus
Respirators press air into the lungs by force, this is dangerous and puts the tissue under stress, the procedure is no self-runner. Thats why usually patients get severly sedated or put into coma before they get attached to the machine. After spending one or two weeks on the machine, the lungs must relearn to actually breath by themselves, a procedure that is practice-and-recovery for months: ten minutes free breathing (if the patient can), and then several hours off trainign and on the machien again, and then start from beginning. The luings can "atrophise", comparable to ordinary muscles. Getting somebody off the machine is a long-lasting process. Its not like a drip getting pulled out of your arm again.

Respirator are no comfortable works-wonderful-solution. They are a means of last resort.

There is no undisputed consensus on whether they even should be used in Covid 19 cases. Over the course of the pandemic, doubts grew, but have not taken over the experts' opinion. The debate is "in flux". In the beginning, they were much demanded, currently many dictors seem to try to get along withouzt thwem, if they can. But again: the debate is still running, the issue is not ultimately decided. We know too much not.

The death rate being higher as you said could also be due to respirators used only in cases of people who are already deeper in the "red zone". Or cofactors play a role like severity of the disease linked to age, health issues already existent.

em2nought

07-14-20, 05:46 PM

Just as interesting are the GOP governors and mayors, who previously also decided to back the White House line on Covid-19 ('just the flu', 'sniffles', 'it'll be gone by July', 'masks are unnecessary', etc.) who, now that their constituencies are being walloped by disease spikes, have 'found religion' and are backing away from the party line;

They should have gone with my "democrats imported the virus" instead. I think the democratic leadership got a little more than they bargained for with the "extras" that this virus has. :hmmm:

Catfish

07-15-20, 02:45 AM

^ You are joking, right?

Reece

07-15-20, 03:11 AM

No, he's dead serious! :yep:

Catfish

07-15-20, 03:26 AM

Ah. :03:

Jimbuna

07-15-20, 05:09 AM

US pharmaceutical company Moderna entering final testing phase for its vaccine.

Phase one testing has proved safe and provoked an immune response, it says.

UK Health Minister Matt Hancock says masks will not be made compulsory in offices.

Hong Kong is bringing in strict new measures to counteract virus surge.

Dine-in restaurants must close from 6pm until 5am, while bars are closed entirely.

A South African minister and his wife have tested positive for the virus.

NZ PM Jacinda Ardern says they must prepare for new outbreaks, as the virus "explodes" globally.

Globally, there have been 13.3m confirmed cases since the outbreak began, and 578,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-15-20, 05:31 AM

The England and Manchester United footballer Marcus Rashford is to become the youngest person to receive an honorary degree from The University of Manchester.

A delay to an order of protective equipment (PPE) for NHS dentists in Northern Ireland could see some treatments pushed back, the British Dental Association is warning.

Police in Chile are training dogs to sniff out people who have Covid-19.

Mining companies in the Democratic Republic of Congo have been given a month to stop confining workers on site.

Police in Bangladesh have arrested the owner of a hospital amid allegations it had issued thousands of fake Covid-19 certificates.

Russia has reported a further 6,422 new cases of coronavirus, bringing its total to 746,369, the fourth highest in the world, reports Reuters news agency.
A total of 156 people died with the virus in the past 24 hours, say officials, bringing the official toll to 11,770.

A special Covid-19 police taskforce in Canberra, Australia, going door-to-door to check on self-isolating residents has been seeing more than it bargained for.
A number of people wearing little or no clothing answered the door to police officers checking for quarantine compliance,

Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro has been bitten by a rhea - a relative of the emu bird - while he quarantines at the presidential palace after testing positive for Covid-19, the country's media reports.

Catalonia has brought back some lockdown measures in a bid to contain a widening outbreak – including a decree asking people to stay at home. The Spanish region reportedly confirmed 745 cases in 24 hours on Tuesday. “We don't have to go back to total confinement, but we do have to go back to the early stages of reopening,” a government spokesperson said.

A new report published by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism has heavily criticised the EU response to the coronavirus pandemic, saying they found “complacency, confusion and a lack of coordination” in the early months of 2020.

Germany has issued a travel warning for its neighbour Luxembourg after a spike in cases. The country recorded 100 new confirmed infections on Tuesday, and now has more than 50 cases per 100,000 inhabitants.

Disneyland Paris slowly reopens on Wednesday after months of closure. Social distancing rules apply and masks must be worn at all times for visitors aged 11 and over.

North Macedonia is pushing ahead with parliamentary elections on Wednesday despite the ongoing outbreak – the first vote since the country controversially changed its name.

Skybird

07-15-20, 08:36 AM

After they already made it mandatory to wear masks in public (except on the beaches), the authorites of Mallorce have shut down many of the German party animals most favourite bars and pubs in the Germans' preferred partying hotspts of the Mallorca party miles. Reason is the excessive misbehaviour of German tourists. Spanish employees of whom you would think they benefit from toruiosts returening, have protested randomly against the Germans - I think that illustrates more than anythign else how far off the marks the German barbars are.

Dowly

07-15-20, 08:43 AM

Trump administration has ordered hospitals to begin reporting their covid-19 statistics to the Department of Health and Human Services instead of CDC.

moose1am

07-15-20, 09:34 AM

Trump administration has ordered hospitals to begin reporting their COVID-19 statistics to the Department of Health and Human Services instead of CDC.

They are doing this because they want to hide from the media/people the number of cases of the virus in the USA. Trump doesn't like the high numbers and he is behind this BS. IMHO the hospitals should continue to report their case numbers to the CDC as before so that the people and press can know the truth about the number of cases. We should not politicize this virus and science should lead the way to the elimination of the virus.

Mr Quatro

07-15-20, 09:39 AM

US pharmaceutical company Moderna entering final testing phase for its vaccine.

What does this mean? Does mean we might have a vaccine by December?

I went to the VA yesterday and I saw them testing people that drive up and they even had a tent and men and women asking you questions before you could get in, but I just went in for my heart scan and left.

I just couldn't do it ... I chickened out on getting the test to find out :oops:

The place was weird with chairs staggered six feet apart everyone wearing mask and that mask got tiring after an hour wait.

I feel sorry for the people that have to work there day after day :yep:

I'm back safe in my man cave now and I doubt if I will venture out again

mapuc

07-15-20, 12:00 PM

I just couldn't do it ... I chickened out on getting the test to find out :oops

And I understand you very well.

Here in Denmark and Sweden, there are two type of test

First is the one which tells you if you have had Corona or still have it.

Seeing it from a psychological point of view this test is bad.

Example you get tested and the result is positive...NOW do you have the Corona in your body and thereby risking getting more sick OR did you have corona virus in your body and they are now dead-your body have killed them.

As I have said to my friends, the day the test can see the different between living and dead corona virus, I may take the test...but only if I have some of the known symptoms.

The other test is the immunity test. Here they test you to see if you have developed anti-thing

Markus

Jimbuna

07-15-20, 12:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zATAO1pLXs0

em2nought

07-15-20, 03:01 PM

No, he's dead serious! :yep:
Why should democrats have all the fun of making totally baseless claims? :hmmm:

Skybird

07-15-20, 03:23 PM

August

07-15-20, 04:32 PM

They are doing this because they want to hide from the media/people the number of cases of the virus in the USA. Trump doesn't like the high numbers and he is behind this BS. IMHO the hospitals should continue to report their case numbers to the CDC as before so that the people and press can know the truth about the number of cases. We should not politicize this virus and science should lead the way to the elimination of the virus.

Maybe because some states are reporting nearly all deaths as covid related to jack up the numbers for political reasons.

Gun shot but also had the sniffles? - Covid death.
Get hit by a bus but tested positive? - Covid death.
Strangled by jealous husband while not wearing a mask? - Covid death.

Catfish

07-15-20, 04:40 PM

Do people in the US actually b eleuve these bizarre attempts by Trump's minions to now discredit Fauci and make him responsible for the murderous mismanagement by Führer Trump?
Lies, lying, lying all time long - this grrreat man's whole life seems to be a single big lie. Does he even exist - or is that maybe a lie, too?
You should know the Donald always needs a scapegoat he can fire :haha:

Meanwhile in the US - enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=433b5RJ9BME

skidman

07-15-20, 04:56 PM

Maybe because some states are reporting nearly all deaths as covid related to jack up the numbers for political reasons.

Gun shot but also had the sniffles? - Covid death.
Get hit by a bus but tested positive? - Covid death.
Strangled by jealous husband while not wearing a mask? - Covid death.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ew4q4znia7hhuno/BPFM.png?raw=1

u crank

07-15-20, 05:01 PM

You should know the Donald always needs a scapegoat he can fire :haha:

Meanwhile in the US - enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=433b5RJ9BME

NowThisNews.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/nowthis-news/

In review, NowThis News reports political news with a strong liberal/progressive leaning bias, heavily relying on meme culture and soundbites, often omitting certain key facts spoken in video clips.

Overall, we rate NowThis News Questionable based far-left bias, promotion of liberal propaganda and five verified failed fact checks.

Skybird

07-15-20, 05:06 PM

You should know the Donald always needs a scapegoat he can fire :haha:

Meanwhile in the US - enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=433b5RJ9BME

Did this really just happen, have I really just seen and heard what I believe I have just seen and heard?

:o

One comment nailed it: "The current level of stupidity in America is actually a threat to democracy."

Public schools must be worse than I thought in America.

Dowly

07-15-20, 05:09 PM

Maybe because some states are reporting nearly all deaths as covid related to jack up the numbers for political reasons.

Gun shot but also had the sniffles? - Covid death.
Get hit by a bus but tested positive? - Covid death.
Strangled by jealous husband while not wearing a mask? - Covid death.Do you have anything to back that up or is it just the usual BS?

August

07-15-20, 05:10 PM

https://i.imgur.com/ojzq4ba.jpg

Dowly

07-15-20, 05:15 PM

NowThisNews.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/nowthis-news/
Ok, take this then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjH1aCj510o

mapuc

07-15-20, 05:27 PM

About August comment.

Here in Denmark- They say the person may have died of Corona infection or the Corona infection may be part of the cause of death.

But a person who get killed in a traffic accident or get killed-is not put in same category.

Markus

Skybird

07-15-20, 05:41 PM

Ok, take this then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjH1aCj510o
Comment under that video source: "If they don't want to wear a mask, they're not going to like the respirator."

Problem is they do harm others when not wearing masks, as if it were their right to put others at risk, or physically harm others. A masks protects both the wearing pwerosn, and the others around him. It works both ways.

Over the past twenty years while I visdit this forum, I have quoted Dietrich Bonhoeffer's "On Stupidity" several times on various occasions, and I think that video above is anoter opportunity to remind of it. Every single word is so true. Bonhoeffer was a Lutheran pastor. He was thrown into prison by the Nazis due to his opposition to the regime, later ended up in the KZ and was murdered there. The quote is part of a letter he wrpte in prison.

“Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed – in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.”

u crank

07-15-20, 06:25 PM

Ok, take this then:

Take this? U mad?

Actually I have no problem with the video. I didn't watch it because I could care less.

I had never heard of NowThisNews and did a quick Google check. The Media Bias/Fact Check was on the first page. And I only mentioned it because some people on this forum are quick to point out what they see as questionable right leaning news sites. You believe in fair and equal treatment don't you?

Catfish

07-16-20, 02:15 AM

^ I do not care who posts this, this is not the only link that presents the video, and what those anti-maskers say in this video is what counts, not who posts it.
It is not that some biased person writes something biased, just listen to what those people say and form your own opinion.

B.t.w i got the link from a canadian friend yesterday, july 16th, he could not believe what he saw and heard. Just like me.

Jimbuna

07-16-20, 04:31 AM

Spain's king leads a state memorial event for the country's coronavirus victims.

The UK shed more than half a million jobs during the lockdown, with employees working fewer hours.

China announces a year-on-year increase in GDP as its economy rebounds.

Another 317 cases were confirmed in Melbourne on Thursday.

In the US, a new daily record number of cases is confirmed, according to Johns Hopkins data.

US health chief Dr Anthony Fauci believes the country will have a vaccine by the end of the year.

Globally, there have been 13.5m cases since the outbreak began, with 583,000 deaths.

u crank

07-16-20, 04:46 AM

^ I do not care who posts this, this is not the only link that presents the video, and what those anti-maskers say in this video is what counts, not who posts it.
It is not that some biased person writes something biased, just listen to what those people say and form your own opinion.

I'll keep that in mind and I definitely will remember it.

Skybird

07-16-20, 04:59 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-53399036/coronavirus-surged-as-nightlife-returned-in-arizona

Over half of the patients in Arizona are age 44 and less. "People need an experience [with Covid 19] that is close to home."

Catfish

07-16-20, 06:05 AM

I'll keep that in mind and I definitely will remember it.
Oh yes at all costs remember this; also when it comes to certain speeches of certain presidents which are commented like "it is not a lie but an alternative fact", do not forget what was really said :yep:

Catfish

07-16-20, 06:20 AM

I wonder what Sweden and other nations trying to induce a "herd immunity" do if it is verified that there is no lasting immunity. I mean even a vaccine will not provide lasting cover then?

Bilge_Rat

07-16-20, 07:02 AM

u crank

07-16-20, 07:45 AM

Oh yes at all costs remember this; also when it comes to certain speeches of certain presidents which are commented like "it is not a lie but an alternative fact", do not forget what was really said :yep:

So now you are assuming something I have not yet done? And if you think I have done it please show me.

Here's the thing you and others seem to miss in this highly partisan age ... a person can look at all sides of an issue without stating a political preference. Some people believe in the all or nothing scenario. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't.

Dowly

07-16-20, 07:48 AM

Onkel Neal

07-16-20, 07:50 AM

Even a cloth mask is more effective than having no mask at all.

Here's a study that compared various masks and their effectiveness:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v2.full.pdf

Agreed, and this seems so obvious, it's amazing that we have to keep saying it.

They are doing this because they want to hide from the media/people the number of cases of the virus in the USA. Trump doesn't like the high numbers and he is behind this BS. IMHO the hospitals should continue to report their case numbers to the CDC as before so that the people and press can know the truth about the number of cases. We should not politicize this virus and science should lead the way to the elimination of the virus.

I don't know if that's accurate but I agree and would not be surprised. Trump showed his hand early on with his attempts to exclude Americans on cruise ships from counting, brazenly saying he didn't want them to make the numbers go. :o

Why should democrats have all the fun of making totally baseless claims? :hmmm:

Lol, post of the year material.

You should know the Donald always needs a scapegoat he can fire :haha:

Meanwhile in the US - enjoy:

-video-

Yeah, sad but true. To be fair, there are nutty people in the opposing camp, those videos are out there too, and to be even more fair: I'm sure there is a similar slice of foggy-headed mouth-breathers in every country and every society. So that video is not a complete representation of American society and is unique to American society. Wouldn't you agree? :hmmm:

What's funny to consider, imagine if that woman to pointed out the doctor and said he would be arrested for crimes etc, imagine if later that afternoon she was in a car accident and had some injuries that needed immediate medical attention, and they wheeled her into the hospital and she looked up and there's the doctor...? :haha:

Catfish

07-16-20, 08:10 AM

[...] Yeah, sad but true. To be fair, there are nutty people in the opposing camp, those videos are out there too, and to be even more fair: I'm sure there is a similar slice of foggy-headed mouth-breathers in every country and every society. So that video is not a complete representation of American society and is unique to American society. Wouldn't you agree? :hmmm: [...]
Yes of course i agree :), but when i saw this i was really dumbfounded.
Also posting the numerous german nutjobs here (apart from me) is pretty useless when no one understands it :D

Catfish

07-16-20, 08:38 AM

[...] ... you and others seem to miss in this highly partisan age ... a person can look at all sides of an issue without stating a political preference. Some people believe in the all or nothing scenario. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't.
So how can wearing a mask then become a political thing obviously? You are right, stupidity is not reserved for one side, but how comes that it is more often on Trump's?
I do not even say republican, because for me Trump is not a republican. But most virus deniers are on his side of the camp and describe themselves as republicans, as you might have noticed.

The psychology of pandemic denial (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mood-swings/202003/the-psychology-pandemic-denial)

Skybird

07-16-20, 09:01 AM

well the whole point about masks which everyone conveniently forgets because it is becoming a political issue is that only the N95 masks have been shown to be effective, but those are in very short supply.

cloth and home made masks which most people wear have questionable value in preventing the spread. The virus is small enough it will go right through the mask or through the various gaps around the mask since the air you breathe in and out will follow the path of least resistance. The visors people wear are totally useless.

social distancing and washing your hands regularly are still the most effective method to prevent the spread.
Plus fresh air in rooms (two windows pen instead of just one), and proper virus-filters in air conditioning systems that of cours eno longer can be switched to "circular", but only "external air supply". Companies say that trains and airpülanes are "safe", but many conveniently forget to say that they do not use HEPA filter that can filter out virusses, but only lower grade filters that can NOT filter them out.

I read today that of 600 German companies that volunteered to sweitchign production to masks, almosta ll already have shut down again, so much for the wanted German mask autarky. Germany now is ordering masks in China again, they write. And already lacks behind in numbers again.

Why 600 small and little companies of extremely limited financial reach, instead of a very few real heavyweight fighters? Because of "equal chances to as many as possible", that is.

I fear that politics already have secretely decided to let something like mass infection happen, hoping it will happen fast (it won'T, it was already shown, getting 90% of the global population infected would take at least 10 years, and antibodies in local populations of very seriously affected regions in Italy and Spain and especially Sweden showed to nevertehless have only discouraging low numbers), and immunity in the surviving will last (apparently it will not, although they hope that immunity will last the longer the more servere the infection was: no suffering, no gain, so to speak).

But it also strikes me this: that this virus shows some very dysfunctional social consterllation we have enforced to live by in order to get alogn with out lives in the industrial world. That we send kids as early as possible away in order to follow our own job. That we try to reduce times of united fmaily life a smuch as possible, in order to serve our careers, or even just make a minimum living. That we allow increboily little space for reserves for tikjmes of emeergency, or unforeseeing probpoems, for exmapelk swithcign economic systems from reserves-keeping to delivery on demand production chains. If the virus does point beyond itself, than it does unmask the deep rooting social dysfunctionality of our modern collectivist societies. For many families, the uncomplementing truth is that Kindergardens and schools a simply are "Verwahranstalten" to unloci the parent'S enewgry and workforce for industrial demands.

Some things imop are gouing very seriously wrong in modern societies. An then we wonder that neurosis and destructive forms of egoism are spreading like - like a pandemic? In parts it is the accelerated travel and delivery culture of modern industrial societies, that labels under the name of "globalization," that made the Corona virus spread around the world.

Mr Quatro

07-16-20, 09:25 AM

u crank

07-16-20, 10:52 AM

You are right, stupidity is not reserved for one side, but how comes that it is more often on Trump's?

Well I'm a bit of a skeptic so you'll have to prove that. On the other hand to find evidence of stupidity on the left one only has to look at what is going on in the streets of most Democrat controled cities in America. Or in the left leaning publications where identity politics and cancel culture rule the day. I could go on.

And as for polititians I give you Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York and Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey both Democrats. In late March they issued almost identical orders requiring nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients being discharged from hospitals. The orders barred the homes from even asking if the patients had the virus.

Seems like a stunning bit of stupidity wouldn't you say?

Buddahaid

07-16-20, 12:03 PM

Aktungbby

07-16-20, 12:28 PM

Now that we're all on the same wavelength: MODERATOR :please conjoin both threds::O: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2551078&postcount=1 (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2551078&postcount=1)
No need to wait for a comet; MotherNature has taken command of the situation and will reduce earth's population waaaaay down from 8,000,000,000 of which 1,400,000,000 are voracious Chinese seeking global domination....Tibet's takeover in '59 was only the beginning!!In addition to which, Black death,
Avian Flu, and Swine-flu are currently causing problems in China along side the Covid 19 issue....Throw in the Global warming...and the nuclear clock stands at 100 seconds to midnight: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Doomsday_clock_%281.67_minutes%29.svg/96px-Doomsday_clock_%281.67_minutes%29.svg.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Doomsday_clock_(1.67_minutes).svg) Oh and about the comet: always the harbinger of disaster(since 1066https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Comete_Tapisserie_Bayeux.jpg/220px-Comete_Tapisserie_Bayeux.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Comete_Tapisserie_Bayeux.jpg)) Comet Neowise just entered the solar system on the 3rd https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/2AB95045-2E0D-4748-8569D876D35FFFBD_source.jpg?w=590&h=800&A085074A-66E5-40D6-B7FD21D489952F0BPerhaps in our case, we should call it...Neodumb!:O: :oops: :nope::dead:

I'm actually OK with those people who put their faith in god and ignore prudent requirements to mitigate the viruses impact. I think it's all part of god's plan to eliminate the stupid people from earth. If I can capitalise Mother Nature, can't U at least capitalise God?:D But we're certainly on the same wavelength...throw in the quakes and great infernos of Napa and Sonoma counties...I'll stand you to Corona....beer if you'll tell me where you got a spare respirator stashed at!!:haha::Kaleun_Cheers:

Buddahaid

07-16-20, 12:58 PM

Purposely omitted as a jab.

skidman

07-16-20, 01:39 PM

I'm actually OK with those people who put their faith in god and ignore prudent requirements to mitigate the viruses impact.

If it was only their life they are jeopardizing, I would agree. But it isn't. I wonder if the crucial point that causes the US failing to fight the virus is exactly this: A society without coherence that perpetually confounds solidarity and socialism.

I think it's all part of god's plan to eliminate the stupid people from earth.

I'm sure he does not have a plan, but a weird sense of humor.

Jimbuna

07-16-20, 02:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeKDzwhi8nw

Onkel Neal

07-16-20, 02:09 PM

Well I'm a bit of a skeptic so you'll have to prove that. On the other hand to find evidence of stupidity on the left one only has to look at what is going on in the streets of most Democrat controled cities in America. Or in the left leaning publications where identity politics and cancel culture rule the day. I could go on.

And as for polititians I give you Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York and Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey both Democrats. In late March they issued almost identical orders requiring nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients being discharged from hospitals. The orders barred the homes from even asking if the patients had the virus.

Seems like a stunning bit of stupidity wouldn't you say?

Yet the fake news mass media never call them on it.

u crank

07-16-20, 02:22 PM

I'm actually OK with those people who put their faith in god and ignore prudent requirements to mitigate the viruses impact. I think it's all part of god's plan to eliminate the stupid people from earth.

I'd like to go on record to say that regardless of how stupid people are or their religious beliefs or lack of or their political affiliation I wish to see no one come to any harm.

Skybird

07-16-20, 03:28 PM

I like this mask ... t doesn't work of course, but the other ones don't either,

Care to elaborate on "the other ones don't either" ?

Mr Quatro

07-16-20, 03:42 PM

Care to elaborate on "the other ones don't either" ?

Just a joke Sky for people that have to wear them all the time :D

skidman

07-16-20, 03:53 PM

Well, wearing surgical masks 6-8 hours (customer on site service) and FFP2 1-3 hours (public transport) every working day I cannot see the funny side of it.

Skybird

07-16-20, 04:20 PM

Study on silent spreaders being responsible for 50% or more of infections.

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/02/2008373117

Jimbuna

07-17-20, 04:14 AM

There have now been more than 1m confirmed cases in India, and 2m in Brazil.

The total in both countries has doubled in less than a month.

Despite an increase in daily infections, the death rate in Brazil is largely flat.

But in India, the number of people dying with Covid-19 each day is increasing.

In the US, the daily total of new cases hits another record.

With infections rising, Japan is now recording more daily cases than Italy.

The UK, US, and Canada accuse Russian spies of targeting vaccine researchers.

Globally there have been 13.8 million cases since the outbreak began, with 589,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-17-20, 04:21 AM

Ireland's acting chief medical officer has warned the country is in a "precarious" position and urged people to holiday at home. Ireland's public health emergency team says if the virus continues to spread there could be 150 cases a day by 10 August.

Spain recorded its highest number of cases since early May on Thursday, with 580 new infections. Authorities in Barcelona are planning to restrict movement throughout the city to halt the spread.
Madrid's Cibeles fountain is the traditional destination for celebrating Real fans when they win La Liga. But last night it was fenced off to prevent supporters going near the water - "The goddess Cybele's saddest celebration" - in the words of El País.

Cases are also rising again in Italy, where 230 infections were recorded in 24 hours, many of them in Lombardy and Emilia Romagna in the north. Fatalities in Italy have now surpassed 35,000

Serbia and Montenegro have been removed from an EU list of countries seen as having the pandemic under control.

Two areas of France are causing concern in particular: Mayenne in the north-west and Nouvelle Aquitaine on the west coast where several clusters have been recorded.

More than 600 flights have been cancelled in Urumqi, the capital of China’s Xinjiang province after a case was confirmed there.

Israel is imposing weekend restrictions to limit the spread of the virus.

Jimbuna

07-17-20, 04:23 AM

It's a big day for Captain Tom Moore today, who will be knighted by the Queen.

The 100-year-old World War Two veteran - who raised more than £30m for NHS charities - will be joined by family members for his own personal open-air ceremony at Windsor Castle later.

Ahead of the ceremony, Sir Tom said on his official Twitter account: "It is going to be the most special of days for me."

All other investitures due to be held in June and July were postponed - but Sir Tom has had a special exemption.

Skybird

07-17-20, 05:02 AM

British airways retires its complete Boeing 747 fleet with immediate effect. BA was the worldwide biggest operator of this plane, having run fleet of 31 planes.

Others will follow with comparable measures, I'm sure.

If anyone still has not fully forseen the economic changes Corona brings to the world - this niow should.

Another branch that will not escape to undergo dramatic change, is the gastronomy. Automated transactions will become dominant. Machine restaurants, so to speak. Single enterprises will die in significant numbers. . Chains will dominate.

Skybird

07-17-20, 05:22 AM

University of California: 1 in 3 Young Adults May Face Severe COVID-19. Smoking being a very significant single factor.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/07/418081/1-3-young-adults-may-face-severe-covid-19-ucsf-study-shows

Mr Quatro

07-17-20, 09:18 AM

Why don't we just follow whatever it was that China did to stop the spread of Covid-19?

Lie :o

California total cases
356,178

California fatal cases
7,345

China mainland total cases
83,622

China fatal cases 4,634

Jimbuna

07-17-20, 09:24 AM

Catfish

07-17-20, 11:32 AM

^^ you mean, lying about the real numbers? :hmmm:
:03:

mapuc

07-17-20, 12:46 PM

China or not - Does any affected country have the exact numbers of infected and who many of their citizens who have directly or indirectly died from Covid-19 ??

Markus

Jimbuna

07-17-20, 01:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfWR_QmPe0

Jimbuna

07-18-20, 04:50 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=libhd7y8us0

Jimbuna

07-18-20, 04:51 AM

President Trump rejects mandatory masks: "I want people to have a certain freedom"

Top US infectious diseases expert Dr Anthony Fauci says everyone should use them.

UN Secretary General António Guterres has criticised the world’s biggest powers for failing to work together to tackle the pandemic.

PM Boris Johnson gives English councils new powers to manage local outbreaks.

Indian actress Aishwarya Rai Bachchan is taken to hospital after testing positive for Covid-19

Iran's president says 25 million Iranians have already been infected by Covid-19

4 million people in Barcelona in north-east Spain are urged to stay at home for 15 days.

Globally there have been 14.1 million cases since the outbreak began, with 602,657 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-18-20, 04:58 AM

Councils in England have new powers to close shops, cancel events and shut outdoor public spaces in order to manage local outbreaks of the virus.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has called for an urgent review into covid death data in England after Public Health England confirmed reported deaths may have included people months before they died.

EU leaders discuss compromise on Covid recovery deal.

The opening of parliament in Australia has been delayed by several weeks due to the spread of the virus in the country’s two most populous states.

The US has now recorded more than 3.6 million cases of the virus and more than 139,000 people have died.

Jimbuna

07-18-20, 10:58 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/pT7K7Nyt/e3c70912-2314-4658-9c45-81d8b068c5df.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

07-18-20, 01:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WLrjJ90rQg

Skybird

07-19-20, 05:52 AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/19/health/long-covid-italy-uk-gbr-intl/index.html

Meanwhile, health authorities in the UK and Italy, two of the European nations worst hit by the coronavirus pandemic, are starting to offer rehabilitation services to Covid-19 survivors.
These will likely need to be wide-ranging, since research now indicates that coronavirus is a multi-system disease (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/health/coronavirus-entire-body-effects-columbia/index.html) that can damage not only the lungs, but the kidneys, liver, heart, brain and nervous system, skin and gastrointestinal tract.
Dr Piero Clavario, director of the post-Covid rehab institute attended by Pescarolo in Genoa, said his team had started contacting several hundred Covid-survivors treated by hospitals in the district in May. Of those, they have now visited more than 50.
"They are not only those that were in ICU and intubated because of Covid, but also patients that spent not more than three days in the hospitals and then went home," he said. "We investigate aspects that escape standard virological and pulmonary exams."

Skin...? I missed that.

Jimbuna

07-19-20, 06:00 AM

More than 600,000 people have died with the coronavirus around the world
Nearly a quarter of them were in the US.

The world has seen the largest single-day increase in cases, the WHO says.

The number of new cases of coronavirus rose by almost 260,000 in 24 hours.

The EU is in its third day of talks to try to agree a rescue package for virus-hit countries.

Millions of people have been told to stay at home amid an outbreak in the Spanish region of Catalonia.

The global number of infections now stands at 14.3 million - Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

07-19-20, 06:09 AM

The number of people who have died from coronavirus in England may have been overstated by up to 4,000

The Australian city of Melbourne is set to make mask wearing in public mandatory as it faces a spike in cases.

The number of active cases of coronavirus in the Czech Republic has risen to 4,764, more than the previous high of 4,737 in April.

Russia’s ambassador to the UK has rejected allegations that his country’s intelligence services tried to steal coronavirus vaccine research.

Iran has confirmed 209 deaths and 2,182 confirmed cases in the past 24 hours.
Of the new people diagnosed, 1,324 have been hospitalised, a health ministry spokeswoman said.

Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam has now announced that the city will conduct 10,000 tests a day. She also announced that authorities would make wearing face masks mandatory in indoor public spaces.

Beijing will lower its coronavirus emergency response level from three to two, an official said on Sunday.
The Chinese capital has reported no new cases over the past 13 days.

Jimbuna

07-19-20, 12:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUgpFwsvgks

mapuc

07-19-20, 03:20 PM

Something must be missing in this case

Most strangely, all of the crew tested negative and self-isolated for two weeks before boarding the ship. This, in theory, would mean the chances of Covid-19 being introduced to the ship and its crew were slim-to-none.

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/mysterious-covid19-outbreak-on-ship-after-35-days-at-sea-stumps-scientists/

Markus

Skybird

07-19-20, 04:31 PM

On deep-frozen food the virus can survive around one year, I recently red. Virusses outside a physiological ambience (animal body) usually like it

- moist or even wet (not dry)
- dark (no UV)
- cold (not too warm or even hot).

Household fridges are usually around -28°C.

Just an idea.

^This is why virusses usually quickly become ineffective in the open nature outside caves: in woods, lakes, on plants and trees. Eitherwrong humidity level, UV or warong temperature will deactivate them quickly. Chemical and bacteriological agents you have to look out for, virusses are low on your list if you go camping or trekking and ask yourself whether you can use this or that water you find. Virusses in free nature will meet you most likely in form of infested animals and insects. Smear infection from stones, rocks, plants, leaves, grass, trees however is practically non-existent.

Skybird

07-19-20, 05:00 PM

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32252338/

This article reviews the roles of vitamin D in reducing the risk of respiratory tract infections, knowledge about the epidemiology of influenza and COVID-19, and how vitamin D supplementation might be a useful measure to reduce risk. Through several mechanisms, vitamin D can reduce risk of infections. Those mechanisms include inducing cathelicidins and defensins that can lower viral replication rates and reducing concentrations of pro-inflammatory cytokines that produce the inflammation that injures the lining of the lungs, leading to pneumonia, as well as increasing concentrations of anti-inflammatory cytokines. Several observational studies and clinical trials reported that vitamin D supplementation reduced the risk of influenza, whereas others did not. Evidence supporting the role of vitamin D in reducing risk of COVID-19 includes that the outbreak occurred in winter, a time when 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D) concentrations are lowest; that the number of cases in the Southern Hemisphere near the end of summer are low; that vitamin D deficiency has been found to contribute to acute respiratory distress syndrome; and that case-fatality rates increase with age and with chronic disease comorbidity, both of which are associated with lower 25(OH)D concentration. To reduce the risk of infection, it is recommended that people at risk of influenza and/or COVID-19 consider taking 10,000 IU/d of vitamin D3 for a few weeks to rapidly raise 25(OH)D concentrations, followed by 5000 IU/d. The goal should be to raise 25(OH)D concentrations above 40-60 ng/mL (100-150 nmol/L). For treatment of people who become infected with COVID-19, higher vitamin D3 doses might be useful. Randomized controlled trials and large population studies should be conducted to evaluate these recommendations.

Skybird

07-19-20, 05:02 PM

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20079376v2

Through its immunological functions, vitamin D attenuates inflammatory responses to respiratory viruses. Vitamin D deficiency might be a highly prevalent risk factor for severe SARS-CoV-2 infections. Objective. To investigate the level of vitamin D deficiency in West Flanders, Belgium and its correlation to severity of COVID-19 as staged by CT Design. Retrospective observational study Setting. Central network hospital Participants. 186 SARS-CoV-2-infected patients hospitalized from March 1, 2020 to April 7, 2020 Main outcome measure. Analysis of 25(OH)D in COVID-19 patients versus season/age/sex-matched diseased controls Results. The rate of vitamin D deficiency (25(OH)D<20 ng/mL) in West Flanders varies with age, sex and season but is overall very high (39.9%) based on analysis of 16274 control samples. We measured 25(OH)D levels in 186 COVID-19 patients (109 males (median age 68 years, IQR 53-79) and 77 females (median age 71 years, IQR 65-74)) and 2717 age/season-matched controls (999 males (median age 69 years, IQR 53-81) and 1718 females (median age 68 years, IQR 43-83)). COVID-19 patients showed lower median 25(OH)D (18.6 ng/mL, IQR 12.6-25.3, versus 21.5 ng/mL, IQR 13.9-30.8; P=0.0016) and higher vitamin D deficiency rates (58.6% versus 45.2%, P=0.0005). Surprisingly, this difference was restricted to male COVID-19 patients who had markedly higher deficiency rates than male controls (67.0% versus 49.2%, P=0.0006) that increased with advancing radiological stage and were not confounded vitamin D-impacted comorbidities. Conclusions: vitamin D deficiency is a prevalent risk factor for severe COVID-19. Vitamin D supplementation might be an inexpensive and safe mitigation for the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.

Skybird

07-19-20, 05:04 PM

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-21211/v1

WHO declared SARS-Cov-2 a global pandemic. The aims of this paper are to assess if there is any association between mean levels of vitamin D in various countries and cases respectively mortality caused by COVID-19.
Methods: We have identified the mean levels of vitamin D for 20 Europeans Countries for which we have also got the data regarding the morbidity and mortality caused by COVID-19.
Results: The mean level of vitamin D (average 56mmol/L, STDEV 10.61) in each country was strongly associated with the number of cases/1M (mean 295.95, STDEV 298.73 p=0.004, respectively with the mortality/1M (mean 5.96, STDEV 15.13, p < 0.00001).
Discussion: Vitamin D levels are severely low in the aging population especially in Spain, Italy and Switzerland. This is also the most vulnerable group of population for COVID-19.
Conclusions: We believe, that we can advise Vitamin D supplementation to protect against SARS-CoV2 infection.

Skybird

07-19-20, 05:06 PM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6470874/?fbclid=IwAR0ZMDMFRPa9NAHfaPNYuHkmJyde4umUUTxKUQFr rWKUJ7Rv9v6yhDmT-4U

Molecular insights on nutrient-sensing systems allow a more integrative view of the reaction of the human body to dietary molecules. Vitamin D and its metabolites belong to a small set of dietary compounds that have direct effects on gene regulation. The analysis of vitamin D signaling via next generation sequencing technologies in in vitro cell culture models as well as in primary cells, such as PBMCs, has generated large amounts of data on the vitamin D-triggered epigenome and transcriptome in the respective cellular systems. Since the micronutrient connects cellular metabolism with immunity [94 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6470874/?fbclid=IwAR0ZMDMFRPa9NAHfaPNYuHkmJyde4umUUTxKUQFr rWKUJ7Rv9v6yhDmT-4U#B94-nutrients-11-00676),95 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6470874/?fbclid=IwAR0ZMDMFRPa9NAHfaPNYuHkmJyde4umUUTxKUQFr rWKUJ7Rv9v6yhDmT-4U#B95-nutrients-11-00676)] (Figure 2 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6470874/figure/nutrients-11-00676-f002/)C), nutrigenomics of vitamin D has a pleiotropic physiological and clinical impact. Personalized nutrition, such as tailored vitamin D supplementation, will contribute to the maintenance of wellbeing and the prevention of age- and lifestyle-related diseases, in particular those related to chronic inflammation.

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Guys, Vitamine D3 is cheap to have, and the conventional medical wisdom of your house doctor is maybe decades behind the status quo of science. On food, and supplements, most doctors tend to be extremely, extremely conservative, and I totally disagree with that. Manipulate probabilities in your favour: take it, together with K2 and Magnesium. It may change the game for you if you happen to get hit. Choose however wisely, espeically with Vitamine K2 studies from 2013, 2016 and 2018 show that the overwhelming majority of products are seriously underdosed, comparing to their printed claims on the box. Most such products lack 30%, 50%, 70% of the printed dose, confirmed in studies for the markets in India, New Zealand, USA, and Germany. Some even have no included K2 at all. The situation is not different with Vit-D supplements, even those for clinical use and high dose treatements via injections, only that these products can even be dosed higher than printed - even true for some products used in hospitals. That you get something from your doctor, unfortunately is no guarantee that it is a good product. My impression is that producers not so much want to make additional money by betraying, but that they simply are not in full control of the production processes. QA fails, probably mostly due to unwanted oxidation processes that get not properly compensated for. If you want to maximise your chance to get a good product, I recommend these steps:

- Make sure you buy from a company that indeed produces in your own Western country, not in Asia.

- The producer should have an own web shop stationed - with an existing company HQ - in your country.

- They should answer your email request for a laboratory report by an independent lab regarding the concentration of the claimed ingredients in the product. Make sure you get a link to or a copy of this analysis report/certification (it should even be renewed yearly) - not just an avertising text or a lab report regarding chemical or bacteriological contamination. The latter often is used all by themselves for advertising. Content anaylsis you have to explicitly ask for. If they cannot meet these criteria - avoid them. What they print on the boxes, is not the criterion you form your buying decision on. You want an independent lab certification.

As a rule of thumb, once again:

~50 I.E. Vit D3 per kilogram body weight. If you are "fatter", BMI above 25 or so, this can be risen to up to max. 80 I.E.s for very obese people. Vit-D gets stored in the fat cells, and the more of these the body has, the longer it takes and the more difficult it is to fill these all up - not before then Vit-D starts to flow in the blood stream as well, where you want it.
Take Vit-D3, not D2. D2 is vegan, D3 is from animals. Problem is our bodies almost not use D2, it gets transformed into D3, but at a ratio of 7:1 at best, probably even much worse (7 units of D2 are used to make 1 unit of D3). D2 is not used in the body directly. Serious products always are D3, never D2.

For filling up your reserves quickly , consider to take a single event dose of 50,000 IE, then two weeks long 10,000 every day, and then a maintenance dose of 3000-5000 I.E.
Myself, I took 20,000 daily for two weeks, 10,000 daily for another two weeks, and since then 5,000 per day.

Vit-K2 is a bit more complex, there are variations. To cut it short, avoid K1, your body cannot make use of it. Avoid so-called all-cis K2, only accept all-trans K2. Avoid K2 MK1 or K2 MK4 - only accept MK7. So the Vitamine K you want is named "all-trans K2 MK7". 200 micrograms per day. K2 can be more easily overdosed, avoid that. Mixes of any of the above you do not benefit from, but you waste money. all-trans K2 MK7 is all you need, want and pay for.

Magnesium: 250-350 mg per day, in that range. Leave some hours between taking K2 and Magnesium, if taken together the magnesium will neutralise much of the K2. They should be taken separately.

Skybird

07-19-20, 06:00 PM

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/18/health/texas-infants-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

Eighty-five infants under age 1 have tested positive for coronavirus (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/) in one Texas county.

Catfish

07-20-20, 01:39 AM

This is all depressing enough, but re vitamins Sky mentioned, this is true. You can usually not overdose them (apart from vitamin K!), also these are not "drugs" but merely natural minerals and combinations of natural components the human body needs to function; they are also in what we eat - unfortunately when your diet is limited due to preferring burgers or never eating vegetables or not enough, you do not get enough of those.

Corona is not limited to any age, of course a healthy 30-year-old will maybe get over it, or has a better chance to survive.
But here is a 32-year old friend, an athlete who won international running competitions. Had some strange problems like feeling dizzy, then tested positive. Seems he caought it in full, things deteriorated, has been in a breathing machine and can walk again after 4 weeks, with a walking frame. Seems in his case, the nervous system is partially destroyed by the infection. Just saying, don't brush it aside.

Skybird

07-20-20, 02:41 AM

This is all depressing enough, but re vitamins Sky mentioned, this is true. You can usually not overdose them (apart from vitamin K!),
You can overdose liposoluble vitamines, since overages do not get simply dumped by the body, like for example vit-c, which is watersoluble. But the doses when negative consequences must be watched out for, are much higher than the ordinary advice from conservative national health bodies.In case of vit-d these critical treshholds may be in a range of 40,000 IEs daily over a longer period of time, or 250,000 IEs in one swallow/injection as once-in-a-lifetime event. Such doses should only be considered under medical supervision. Compare: I mentioned a maintaining dose of 3000-5000.

Jimbuna

07-20-20, 04:18 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARzl4PkJV90

Jimbuna

07-20-20, 04:21 AM

Australia launches investigation into security breaches in Victoria's hotel quarantine programme.

Outbreaks linked to errors in the programme have seen Melbourne put back under partial lockdown.

EU leaders are meeting for a fourth day to try and agree a huge virus rescue plan.

Early research suggests a new treatment involving a protein called interferon beta could significantly reduce deaths.

Donald Trump has dismissed Johns Hopkins data showing the US has the seventh-highest mortality rate.

Globally the number of confirmed infections has risen to more than 14.4 million and deaths to 605,000

Jimbuna

07-20-20, 04:32 AM

In France, masks are also now compulsory in indoor spaces such as shops, restaurants and banks. They were already required on public transport. People can be fined €135 (£122; $154) for failing to comply.

Hong Kong is stepping up its measures against the virus after a record new number of cases were recorded on Sunday. Authorities have announced a series of new measures including the mandatory wearing of face masks in indoor public spaces.

Nigeria’s Foreign Affairs Minister Geoffrey Onyeama has tested positive for Covid-19. He is a member of a presidential task force that is coordinating the country's response to the pandemic.

Peru has now passed 13,000 virus deaths - nevertheless it is going ahead with easing some restrictions. Restaurants can reopen from today but only to 40% of their capacity. Over the past 24 hours, 189 deaths and 4,090 new infections were recorded. Peru, with 33 million residents, has the second-highest number of cases in Latin America.

Mexico, which has the fourth highest virus death toll in the world at 38,888, has now seen its president pledge to improve health standards in the region.

But it's Brazil that remains the worst affected country in Latin America. According to data from Johns Hopkins University, a staggering 2 million people have been infected and more than 79,000 have died. And yet President Jair Bolsonaro - who himself was infected - has continued to criticise social distancing measures, saying they have "killed" the economy.

Skybird

07-20-20, 06:43 AM

From Japan, a new study. It lead some western experts to claims of that "10% of cases cause 80% of further infections", referring to super-spreaders.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/9/20-2272_article

We noted many COVID-19 clusters were associated with heavy breathing in close proximity, such as singing at karaoke parties, cheering at clubs, having conversations in bars, and exercising in gymnasiums. Other studies have noted such activities can facilitate clusters of infection (9 (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/9/20-2272_article#r9),10 (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/9/20-2272_article#r10)). Japan’s Prime Minister’s Office and the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare announced 3 situations that could increase the risk for COVID-19 cases and advised the population to avoid the “Three Cs”: closed spaces with poor ventilation, crowded places, and close-contact settings (11 (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/9/20-2272_article#r11)).
Among the probable primary COVID-19 cases we identified from non-nosocomial clusters, half (11/22) were 20–39 years of age, which is younger than the age distribution of all COVID-19 cases in Japan (Figure 2 (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/9/20-2272_article#tnF2), panel A). We do not know whether social, biological, or both factors play a role in the difference in transmission patterns between the younger and older persons. We also noted probable primary COVID-19 case-patients appear to transmit the virus and generate clusters even in the absence of apparent respiratory symptoms, such as cough.

I need to visit the dentist in a few weeks. Laying there - with my jaw wide open. Wonderful. :roll:

Jimbuna

07-20-20, 08:40 AM

Mr Quatro

07-20-20, 09:33 AM

A coronavirus vaccine developed by the University of Oxford appears safe and trains the immune system.

Trials involving around 1,077 people showed the injection led to them making antibodies and white blood cells that can fight coronavirus.

The findings are hugely promising, but it is still too soon to know if this is enough to offer protection and larger trials are under way.

The UK has already ordered 100 million doses of the vaccine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53469839

How encouraging this news is ... so after the anti-Covid-19 virus shot gets into our system we will be immune to the one started in Wuhan, China.

Then we can take off our mask and go out to eat again, watch movies in a theater again, go bowling, have birthday parties, weddings and funeral's, play and attend sports games of all kinds.

Everything will just return to the norms of the summer and fall of 2019, right?

Then we can go back to worrying about cancer, heart attacks, drug overdoses, sexually transmitted diseases, the common cold and the common flu.

What a great future the world has to look forward to :o

Buddahaid

07-20-20, 10:48 AM

Otherwise referred to as the human condition.

Aktungbby

07-20-20, 11:13 AM

What a great future the world has to look forward to :o

Otherwise referred to as the human condition.in the Age of the New Normal portended by comet Neowise:haha:

Jimbuna

07-20-20, 02:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3_wSU1JnTE

Skybird

07-20-20, 03:50 PM

A study published in the New England Journal of Medicne claiming that blood group is a variable influencing the severity of Covid-19

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2020283

is beeing objected by two other new studies done at the Boston Massachusetts General Hospital

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00277-020-04169-1

and the New York Columbia Presbyterian Hospital

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.08.20058073v1

Both studies find blood group not to be a deciding factor for intubation and death due to Covid-19. The latter study claims associations, but of no deciding influence.

Jimbuna

07-21-20, 07:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQA3XcbclZ4

Jimbuna

07-21-20, 07:49 AM

EU leaders agree details of economic recovery fund, after four days of talks, with €750bn (£677bn; $859bn) in loans and grants.

UK chief medical officer Chris Whitty tells MPs the government followed advice on lockdown timing.

Iran records record daily death toll of 229 - its highest so far.

UK police, teachers, doctors get pay boost for "vital contribution" to coronavirus frontline.

President Trump now says it's patriotic to wear a mask.

WHO emergencies chief Michael Ryan says evidence of "acceleration of disease in Africa"

There have been 14.6 million infections worldwide and more than 600,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-21-20, 07:58 AM

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has met his cabinet in person for the first time in four months, telling them his government's "radical and reforming" agenda would not be "blown off course" by coronavirus.

The UK's chief medical officer, Prof Chis Whitty, told MPs he would "very much doubt" that there would be a legal requirement to have a coronavirus vaccine in the future, and he would expect it to be free - but that is a policy decision.

Just under 10,000 deaths were registered in the UK during the week of 10 July, according to figures released by the Office for National Statistics.

That is about 600 (or 6%) below the average for that week in the preceding five years.

The majority of new coronavirus cases in Scotland are in Lanarkshire following an outbreak at a local call centre, Nicola Sturgeon has said.

Dr Anthony Fauci, the top infectious diseases expert in the US, will throw the first ceremonial pitch for the Washington Nationals when the pandemic-delayed baseball season restarts on Thursday.

Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro has held a packet of hydroxychloroquine in front of a crowd of supporters which he claims has made him feel better.

Buenos Aires has begun lifting lockdown restrictions as Argentina balances the economic cost of the pandemic against the risk of continued spread.

Skybird

07-21-20, 08:17 AM

The financial mismanagement of some nations in the past ten years and their econimic failure and rejection for systemic reforms - now has found rich reward.

The virus is being abused as an alibi to push the EU massively towards a total, unlimited transfer union and collectiovisation of national debts. The eCB sees no limitsd anymore, and is welcomed to infintely finance states. The Maastricht treaty has always been dead, but now everybody has admitted it and nobody tries to give an opposite imporession anymore.

Its not exaggerated to conclude that for some die- hard EUcrats the plague was a god-sent present, like 9/11 was for Bush's then already collapsed presidency.

Skybird

07-21-20, 05:24 PM

A southkorean study shows that while little kids and young school children might be less infectious than adults, teenagers are far mor infectous than adults and cause infection of more other people, than infected adults do.

This study puts big question marks behind the political intentions across much of the Western world to open schools in full after summer holiday as if nothing happened.

Already in the past months, countries that consequently locked down schools from early on showed to acchieve positive effects from this and getting infection numbers quicker under control.

Is any of this really a surprise when you look at spirngbreak in the US, juvenile Mallorca tourism, and party excesses across the West? Teenagers and young adults after school tend to have blokeheads with a sign on the forehead that reads "temporarily closed due to structural alteration works".

Jimbuna

07-22-20, 04:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqDd7ixh184

Jimbuna

07-22-20, 05:23 AM

Australia sees its worst day yet in the pandemic, with more than 500 new cases.

The overwhelming majority of them are in the city of Melbourne.

The head of the Pan American Health Organization says the virus shows "no signs of slowing down" in the Americas.

President Donald Trump says the pandemic is going to get worse, and urges Americans to wear face masks.

Leading Democrat Nancy Pelosi dubs Covid-19 "Trump virus"

Health experts in the UK have told politicians Sars-Cov-2 virus will be with us for "decades"

There have been nearly 15m cases of the new virus worldwide and more than 600,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-22-20, 05:30 AM

The head of London's Metropolitan Police has said she hopes people will be “shamed” into complying with new rules on wearing face coverings in shops.

Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick said police would respond as a last resort if shoppers without face masks refused to leave and were getting “aggressive”.

The World Health Organization has rejected allegations reportedly made by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo over its handling of the pandemic.

Mr Pompeo is currently visiting the UK for talks. Last night in London, Mr Pompeo was reported to have said that the head of the WHO, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, was "bought" by China and that there are "dead Britons" because of it.

An Austrian woman goes on trial today for ignoring quarantine rules. The unprecedented case involves a woman from Klagenfurt accused of going to the post office while suffering from Covid-19 and not wearing a mask. She could face a three-year jail term.

Ireland's government has relaxed quarantine rules on travel to and from 15 European countries but says the safest thing is still not to travel. The "green list" includes Malta, Finland, Norway, Greece, Cyprus, Italy, Hungary, Slovakia and the Baltic republics. The UK, France and Spain remain on the quarantine list.

France's public health authority says it's still too early to give a precise coronavirus death toll - but says 29,186 deaths in hospitals and care homes were directly linked to the virus from March to the end of May. At one point, at the end of March, the mortality rate was 60% higher than normal.

Thailand is extending its state of emergency until the end of August, a senior official confirmed.

Stricter measures in Hong Kong will come into effect from midnight on Wednesday making it mandatory to wear face masks in all indoor public areas.

Jimbuna

07-22-20, 12:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0CEeeVpSiw

August

07-22-20, 06:50 PM

Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick

Now there's a moniker! She have anything to do with that spotted pudding? :)

Jimbuna

07-23-20, 03:52 AM

Now there's a moniker! She have anything to do with that spotted pudding? :)

Bit of a tough cookie many say. Stamping her authority at every opportunity.

Jimbuna

07-23-20, 04:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2TB91sDEHI

Catfish

07-23-20, 04:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0CEeeVpSiw
Now this is a reasonable u-turn. So the mask thing is now "de-politised" i guess?

Jimbuna

07-23-20, 04:07 AM

Basic income would allow 2.7 billion people to stay at home, a UN Development Programme report says.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said the pandemic shows "sheer might of the union"

A committee of UK MPs says it is "astonished" by the government's failure to plan an economic response to the pandemic.

The cost of the pandemic has pushed Australia into its biggest budget deficit since World War Two.

Brazil registers more than 67,000 new cases in 24 hours, another record amount.

President Trump says he wants schools to reopen and would be "comfortable" sending his young son in.

Globally there have been 15 million cases of Sars-Cov-2 and more than 622,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-23-20, 04:15 AM

A vaccine developed by a Chinese pharmaceutical group could be ready by the end of this year, according to state media.

Liu Jingzhen, chairman of China National Pharmaceutical Group (Sinopharm), said human trials are expected to be completed within the next three months.

Sinopharm’s unit China National Biotec Group had warned that a vaccine might be delayed as a lack of infections in China made it difficult to find people to test it on. However it is now being trialled at a number of overseas sites, including the UAE.

Another vaccine by Chinese firm Sinovac Biotech was tested on people in Brazil.

Skybird

07-23-20, 09:15 AM

From FOCUS magazine.

In a joint study by the Helmholtz Center (HZI), the Uni-Klinik Hamburg-Eppendorf (UKE) and the Heinrich Pette Institute, the origins of the first coronavirus outbreak in May 2020 were examined at the Tönnies meat factory in Rheda-Wiedenbrück.

The results reconstruct the triggering transmission events of the outbreak in the Tönnies meat factory: starting from a single employee, the virus was transmitted to several people within a radius of more than eight meters. The main transmission took place in the cutting area for cattle quarters, where the air is circulated and cooled to ten degrees Celsius. In contrast, the housing situation of the workers during the investigated phase of the outbreak did not play an important role.

In addition, an analysis of the virus sequences shows that all people from the infection cluster who tested positive for the coronavirus in May share a new combination of eight mutations that had not previously been observed.

“Our study sheds light on SARS-CoV-2 infections in a work area where various factors meet that allow transmission over relatively long distances. The important question now is under what conditions transmission events over longer distances are possible in other areas of life, ”said Melanie Brinkmann, professor at the Technical University of Braunschweig and research group leader at the HZI.

"Our results indicate that the conditions of the cutting operation - i.e. the low temperature, a low fresh air supply and constant air circulation through the air conditioning in the hall, together with strenuous physical work - the aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2 particles over larger ones Funded distances, ”said Professor Adam Grundhoff, co-author of the study and research group leader at HPI.

“It is very likely that these factors generally play a crucial role in the global outbreaks in meat or fish processing plants. Under these conditions, a distance of 1.5 to 3 meters alone is obviously not sufficient to prevent transmission. "

Jimbuna

07-24-20, 04:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_uTpZclik

Jimbuna

07-24-20, 04:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQA-Sa_sK8

Jimbuna

07-24-20, 04:41 AM

Former UK PM Tony Blair believes coronavirus will not be eliminated.

Blair urges the UK government to focus on containment measures for a second wave.

New rules begin in England making it compulsory to wear face coverings in shops.

President Trump cancels the Republican convention in Florida, blaming the virus "flare-up"

Cases in the US pass four million with at least 144,000 deaths.

All major international tennis tournaments have been cancelled in China.

Globally there have been more than 15.4m cases and almost 632,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-24-20, 04:52 AM

Some small business owners in Scotland have said they cannot afford to keep giving health workers discounts and have requested people to stop asking for them.

As face coverings become compulsory in shops in England for the first time, in Austria they're being made mandatory a second time. They were first brought in early in April but the rules were scrapped in mid-June as Austrian cases fell. Now the numbers are on the rise again, as in many European countries, so they're required in supermarkets, banks, post offices, bakeries and petrol station shops. In other news:

A group of experts is urging the Dutch government to bring in new measures within days to prevent a second wave. The ex-head of the health care inspectorate told Dutch TV that masks should be required in catering and at the hairdresser's.

France has seen a 26% rise in cases in the past week. More than 1,000 infections were reported on Thursday. The most vulnerable areas are French Guiana, Mayotte (in the Indian Ocean) and Mayenne in north-west France.

The Czech Republic has more than 5,000 currently infected with Covid-19, the highest number since the start of the pandemic. So face coverings will be mandatory from midnight at indoor events with more than 100 people.

A survey says 79% of Germans have now got used to wearing masks and social distancing - but 19% still find it difficult to comply with the measures.

The overall number of coronavirus infections in Russia has gone past 800,000, the country's coronavirus crisis response centre says. It now stands at 800,849 with 13,046 deaths. Of those infected, 588,774 have recovered.

India has recorded 49,310 cases, a single-day record, the health ministry said. This brings the country’s total number of cases to 1.2 million.

Coronavirus precautions are being taken as the Turkish city of Istanbul prepares to hold Muslim Friday prayers at the Hagia Sophia building for the first time since the celebrated museum was controversially turned back into a mosque.

Skybird

07-24-20, 05:28 AM

German research study says that aerosols infest the air in enclosed rooms within shortest time and then strike at everybody easily. These statements by the project leader are in stalk contrast to claims by a recent American study that was introduced a couple of days ago saying that the infection risk from aerosols is hugely overestimated. I go with the Germans here - the events around meat factory Tönnies shows how fats ot goes, and we have many hiotspots now again that grow from returnign tourists or from bars and restaurants - places with enclosed rooms. The spacing of 1.5 - 2 m apart cannot be sufficient, most obviously. In the open, with a gentle air breeze flowing, maybe. But not inside rooms.

Keep distance. Avoid closed rooms where possible. Wear both-ways-protective N95/FFP2 masks. Wash hands. Train your immune system so that it can fight without causing cytokine storms.

ET2SN

07-24-20, 08:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQA-Sa_sK8

Well, crap. :O:

I think I warned you all about Interferon a couple of months ago.
Interferon does NOT make you feel better, that's not what it does or how it works. Clinically, roughly 1/3 of patients starting Interferon give it up. It took me 4-5 months to build up a tolerance to it. Another 1/3 of patients will have mild to strong reactions as they build up their tolerance. The last 1/3 will have no issues outside of learning how to give themselves a 1 ml injection every other day. We call them Lucky B######s but having no problems can also indicate that Interferon isn't working for them. :yep:

So, it isn't a walk in the park. Not by a long shot. In terms of having MS, imagine you can have really good days and call them a "10". Your bad days can be maybe a "2" or a "3". Interferon makes EVERY day a "6". You trade off your good days to have no bad days, if that makes sense. :doh:

So, do me a big favor and take this story with a grain of salt. :yep: The number of patients in the world who have an Rx for Interferon is relatively small. That means the Pharma companies (mostly Bayer) don't have to produce a lot of it. For the folks who already need it, Interferon allows us to live mostly normal lives. That won't be the case if my next Rx winds up on an eight month backorder. :o

Jimbuna

07-24-20, 01:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxhZ2Z-Y4ls

mapuc

07-24-20, 01:48 PM

Skybird

07-24-20, 06:10 PM

Mr Quatro

07-24-20, 06:33 PM

The CDC says that a third of those asymptomatic people never getting symptomatic enough to become hospitalized, nevertheless do not recover quickly, but can fight with Covid-19 for several weeks.

Some weeks ago German doctors reported that infected people never seeing a hospital but neverthelses being ill, could be effected by Covid-19 symptoms for 3 months and longer.

Exhaustion, breathlessness and "immune system dizziness" (my term) are amongst the most common long term comsequences. Also headaches, migraines, heart racing, sleeplessness, cough. Old and young, trained and untrained, men and women, healthy and people with previous health conditions - it affects everybody.

Yes doctor Skybird that's me except my doctor says it is an allergy ...

Now I hear about the long term effects of Covid-19 and wonder, but fear of being told to stay inside and give a list of all my friends and contacts keeps me from getting official notification about something I can treat myself.

Skybird

07-24-20, 06:54 PM

Make sure you cannot infect others, and nobody must have worries of what you do alone at home. Its then your own thing. Just when you expose others to risks - then it is no longer just your own thing.

Jimbuna

07-25-20, 04:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qPdH8BCMes

Jimbuna

07-25-20, 04:55 AM

Catalonia is to close all nightlife in the region due to a spike in coronavirus infections.

Indoor gyms, swimming pools and sports facilities have started to reopen in England.

Being obese or overweight puts you at greater risk of serious illness or death from Covid-19, experts in England say.

The World Health Organization reported 284,196 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours on Friday, a new record.

The biggest increases were in the US, Brazil, India and South Africa.

South Korea reported 113 new infections on Saturday, its biggest one-day increase for three months.

There have been more than 15.7 million cases globally and almost 640,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

07-25-20, 05:00 AM

A nurse has returned home after spending 111 days in hospital with coronavirus symptoms. There were cheers and tearful hugs as Barbara Moran, who usually looks after patients at Aintree Hospital, returned to her Liverpool home.

French Prime Minister Jean Castex says people arriving from 16 countries where the virus is widely circulating will be subject to on-the-spot coronavirus tests. The move comes as the number of new infections in France starts to climb again. The health ministry said there were now more than 1,000 new cases each day in hospitals. Mr Castex said the tests would be for "French citizens who live in these countries or citizens of these countries with an established residence in France". Any travellers testing positive will have to spend 14 days in isolation. The new rules apply to people arriving from the US, Brazil, Algeria, Bahrain, Israel, India, South Africa, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Panama, Peru, Serbia, Turkey and Madagascar. France - and the European Union - do not allow general travel to and from these countries.

The latest figures broke WHO's previous record for new cases - 259,848 on 18 July.

The number of new cases by country were:

US - 69,641
Brazil - 67,860
India - 49,310
South Africa - 13,104
WHO said the biggest increases in new deaths were:

Peru - 3,876
Brazil - 1,284
US - 1,074
Mexico - 790
India - 740
Cases in the US have passed four million with at least 145,000 deaths.

Skybird

07-25-20, 06:38 AM

Latest study form germany reiterates that Chloroquine is extremely unlikely to be of help against the Sars-Cov-2 virus infection path. Some of the German heavyweights in virology, including often quoted Christian Drosten, authored this.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2575-3

Abstract

The COVID-19 pandemic, which is caused by the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, has been associated with more than 470,000 fatal cases worldwide. In order to develop antiviral interventions quickly, drugs used for treatment of unrelated diseases are currently being repurposed to combat COVID-19. Chloroquine is a anti-malaria drug that is frequently employed for COVID-19 treatment since it inhibits SARS-CoV-2 spread in the kidney-derived cell line Vero1–3. Here, we show that engineered expression of TMPRSS2, a cellular protease that activates SARS-CoV-2 for entry into lung cells4, renders SARS-CoV-2 infection of Vero cells insensitive to chloroquine. Moreover, we report that chloroquine does not block SARS-CoV-2 infection of the TMPRSS2-positive lung cell line Calu-3. These results indicate that chloroquine targets a pathway for viral activation that is not operative in lung cells and is unlikely to protect against SARS-CoV-2 spread in and between patients.

Jimbuna

07-26-20, 05:15 AM

Travellers arriving in the UK from Spain must now quarantine for 14 days, under new coronavirus travel rules.

The measures follow a spike in infections in Spain, with more than 900 new cases reported on Friday.

Spain is taking new measures to cut a spike in cases, amid fears of a more widespread "second wave"

France and Germany have also seen a rise in cases, as nations grapple between staving off fresh outbreaks and reopening economies.

North Korea has reported what it describes as its first suspected case - a defector who returned from South Korea last week.

There have been more than 16 million cases globally and nearly 645,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

07-26-20, 05:21 AM

North Korea says it has locked down the city of Kaesong near the border with South Korea over fears that a defector who returned to the North last week was infected with the coronavirus :haha:

Australia has experienced its deadliest day of the pandemic so far, with 10 deaths reported on Sunday and a rising number of infections. In the state of Victoria - the epicentre of the current outbreak - 459 new cases were reported on Sunday, up from 357 on Saturday. About a dozen more were recorded elsewhere in the country. The national death toll now stands at 155 with about 14,000 cases.

The mayor of Rio de Janeiro has cancelled the city's famous New Year's Eve celebration because of the pandemic. Marcelo Crivella said he was considering alternative ways of welcoming 2021. Brazil is one of the world's worst-affected countries with more than 2.3 million infections and 86,000 deaths.

Mr Quatro

07-26-20, 09:28 AM

North Korea has reported what it describes as its first suspected case - a defector who returned from South Korea last week.

North Korea says it has locked down the city of Kaesong near the border with South Korea over fears that a defector who returned to the North last week was infected with the coronavirus

:haha::hmmm::o

Jimbuna

07-26-20, 01:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdgAUA0VvA

Col7777

07-27-20, 04:00 AM

I have never been tested but I have been in self isolation now for a few months.
Not long ago I got a cough, I treated it myself like I always do and after a time it went, but since then I have had loss of energy, breathless, insomnia and the odd headache.

I was reading this could be what they call (Post Viral Fatigue) the symptoms of the after effect of CV-19.
They list: Headaches, Nausia, Diarrhoea, Breathelssness, Metallic taste in the mouth, loss of smell, Burning in the mouth, Cramp, Violent shaking episodes, Vertigo and a few more.

I wake in the morning and most times I have a headache, at first I thought my pillow was too high, tried different things but still get them.
I don't have the enthusiasm to do even the smallest of jobs, if I do a job I get out of breath very quick and need to sit down and rest.

I have had coughs before but never felt like this after they have gone, I'm still in isolation, like I sad above I haven't been out in months, I'm in my own lockdown, I get my groceries delivered via monthly online shopping.
I'm 72 by the way and have an irregular heartbeat, so on daily tablets for that.

Keep reading things where people saying it is all a big hoax, there is no virus etc, it's all a government plot and so on.
You may ask if I have been in lockdown then how did I get it, well not sure but I have been in the front garden to cut the grass, spoke the the guy next door over the fence, it might have been in the air, I don't know.

Col.

Jimbuna

07-27-20, 04:18 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCQtf2NCWGw

Jimbuna

07-27-20, 04:23 AM

The total number of confirmed Covid-19 cases reaches more than 16 million - up by a million in just four days.

Hong Kong has reported 145 new cases, setting a new daily record - hours after announcing its toughest measures yet.

A doctor who diagnosed early infections in China says local officials covered up the scale of the initial outbreak.

Clusters in China lead to 61 new cases recorded on Monday - the highest daily figure since April.

Australia also records its biggest daily spike, with more than 530 new cases in Victoria state.

Vietnam has closed the city of Da Nang to tourists after four new locally transmitted coronavirus were recorded - the country's first since April.

Spain insists it is a safe for tourists after the UK ordered people coming from the country to quarantine.

Skybird

07-27-20, 05:42 AM

Nina Böhmer in conversation. Nurse doesn't want applause: "I get burned up every day"

https://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/origs12245837/4823253627-w630-h436-o-q75-p5/nina-boehmer-3-alexandra-s.jpg

She received applause from the Corona crisis. Nevertheless, nurse Nina Böhmer got angry at the very moment: at Jens Spahn, the RKI and somehow also at the applauding. Why and what she wants instead of clapping.

She says of herself that she is a "calm and shy person". In order to "make me angry, it takes a lot," laughs Nina Böhmer on the phone. But a lot had accumulated for her outburst of anger in March. The nurse actually wanted to fly to her boyfriend in England. The flight was canceled. She had worked six early shifts in a row, was slightly chipped, stressed by the long hours. Böhmer works through a temporary employment agency for various Berlin hospitals in cardiology, surgery, internal medicine or sometimes in disabled facilities.

"Actually, all nurses should quit their jobs right now!" She was very sad and disappointed because there were not enough protective clothing. The Robert Koch Institute (RKI) also recommended that the quarantine rules be relaxed for medical personnel. Continued work after contact with a Covid 19 patient. Finally, the minimum staff levels that have been fought for a long time are simply suspended.

She let out her anger. "You can put your clapping anywhere else," Böhmer writes. "I'm sorry to say it that way, but if you want to help or show how much we are worth, help us fight for better conditions!" Before she went to bed, 23 people shared her post. Nothing against what should come. 85,000 passed on their cry of rage.

Now the cry of rage has turned into a book. The applause was a nice touch. But Nina Böhmer had not found her to be sincere.

FOCUS Online: You have felt the gesture of clapping as not sincere. Why?

Nina Böhmer: As everyone said, it should express solidarity. But clapping only freed people from their fear. It didn't do us much good.

FOCUS Online: What do you want instead?

Böhmer: One could sign petitions, of which there are many online. People could choose parties that are more social. Or if the next pandemic comes, don't go to hospitals to steal masks and disinfectants. That would be in solidarity.

FOCUS Online: Yes, extreme situations have arisen. It was similar with the immense workload. They also tell you that you felt burned. How much still?

Böhmer: I feel heated up all the time, every day anew. We have so much stress because there is an extreme shortage of staff and documentation costs a lot of time. I miss this time for the patients. In addition, it is still the case that we only have one mask per shift. It constantly says that there are masks for everyone. I don't experience it that way.

FOCUS Online: So how well do you feel protected when you go to the hospital every day?

Böhmer: Disinfectant is back, which of course is good. This is important because I have to disinfect my hands after every patient. Since masks are still missing, I feel little protected. Especially when I go into a room with a highly infectious patient who has a hospital germ.

FOCUS Online: How present is the fear of corona during your shift?

Böhmer: My fear of Corona is actually not that big. Because there are still separate corona stations. I also worked there for a short time, but otherwise I have no contact with Covid 19 patients, only with patients suspected of having corona, who was never confirmed.

FOCUS Online: Lack of time is another point that you address in your book. Is there a service where you can care for all patients the way you want?

Böhmer: Actually never. I often have to choke off conversations with patients because I have to keep going. I rush from one room to the next. I am most likely to have time in the disabled facilities, where the personnel key is sometimes better.

FOCUS Online: If you say that you have too little time for the patient. What exactly is neglected?

Böhmer: For example, personal hygiene. I would like to have more time - also to guide people to do things themselves. This gives you what you can do and supports you. Or that you don't have to keep someone sitting on the toilet unnecessarily long because you're busy somewhere else. Or that I don't have to hurry when I hand over food. Lots of small things ...

FOCUS Online: ... which would do the individual patient very well.

Böhmer: Exactly. In particular, conversations are neglected. Because many have a great need for speech, which I unfortunately cannot serve.

FOCUS Online: What would have to happen now, so that your cry of anger does not simply fade away?

Böhmer: At the moment, I have the feeling that the media are looking at the topic, but less the politics. It must finally become active. There is a maintenance bonus, but it does not change the whole system. Of course, he shows a bit of gratitude for the fact that so much work was done in the Corona crisis. Nevertheless, such a bonus, which only nurses in old people's homes receive, is not a long-term benefit. Nothing has changed in our stressful everyday work.

FOCUS Online: What do you want from Health Minister Spahn?

Böhmer: First of all, he should ensure that the clinics can hire more staff. And ultimately, the healthcare system needs to be reformed. It shouldn't be based on profit, but on humanity. Instead of buying 45 fighter jets, politicians should invest the money in healthcare.

FOCUS Online: Money is also an issue for every single nurse, every single nurse. They said, for example, that IT is about life and death for them every day and that their salary is too low. How much should be added?

Böhmer: I don't have a fixed sum in mind. The salary is not that important either. But if you see it in comparison with employees in the auto industry or in some office jobs that earn more, it is of course unfair.

FOCUS Online: The trigger of your outburst of anger was also the Robert Koch Institute or the relaxation of the quarantine regulation for medical personnel.

Böhmer: Yes, I didn't understand that at all. What distinguishes us from the others? The RKI says on the one hand that the virus is dangerous and highly infectious. On the other hand, we shouldn't be quarantined the usual two weeks. There was also a lack of masks for our protection. I didn't think that was okay. Her crisis management was by no means commendable. There was chaos. You should have looked more closely at other countries earlier. In addition, warnings of such situations have generally been given for some time. You could have been better prepared.

FOCUS Online: Despite all the things that have made you angry, it is still your dream job. Why do you love him so much?

Böhmer: I just enjoy working with people. I mostly get positive feedback and above all gratitude. This is so beautiful! For me it's not just a job, it's a calling. Most recently I had a patient who fell at home. She had broken her arm. The transfer to the next shift stated that she was self-employed. Nevertheless, I then helped her wash and made the bed nice. She was so happy about it. For this gratitude, I like to do my work every day.

Nina Böhmer, born in 1992, was born and raised in Brandenburg. After school, she graduated as a state-recognized social assistant, then works for a nursing service and began her training as a nurse in 2012. Since then she has been working in Berlin hospitals. As a child, Nina Böhmer already knew that she wanted to do a job that would help people. Today she wants nothing more than that the state is more committed to the health system and her profession. She became known to a wider public through her anger message "Euren Applaus könnt ihr euch sonst wohin stecken", which she posted on March 23, 2020 on Facebook.

Jimbuna

07-27-20, 01:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv4iINxf4IM

Mr Quatro

07-27-20, 01:54 PM

Isn't vitamin D in milk and in the healthy sunshine?

mapuc

07-27-20, 02:36 PM

Skybird

07-27-20, 03:12 PM

Isn't vitamin D in milk and in the healthy sunshine?Doses.

Skybird

07-27-20, 03:18 PM

On the doors to our doctors, shops and similar, there's a not saying

If you have covid-19 symptoms then do not enter.

Said to the owner of the local grill near the harbour.

" You know, there are those who have the health, not ANY symptoms, like sore throat, coughing, headache and other covid-19 symptoms, but they are nevertheless infected and are contagious.

Am I mad at them ? NO!
Why would a person who are full fresh, think about taking the test.
The message is clear-if you have symptoms then take the test.

So this message you and others have on your doors is somehow wrong."

Markus
With 80% being asymptomatic (nevertheless a significant part of these get hit by post-Covid-syndrome), and with incubation times being what they are, it is important that not only those with symptoms test. Ev erybody meeting people should test - repeatedly, frequently. The higher the social contact count and/or the lower the social distancing practiced, the more important it is.

10% of infected people infect the next patient generation's 80% of imminent cases. Only the remaining 20% of that following patient generation get infected by the other earlier generation'S 90%. Identifying super spreaders as early as humanely possible, is of utmost priority.

Skybird

07-27-20, 03:26 PM

mapuc

07-27-20, 03:30 PM

Exactly half a year ago, the first German Covid-19 patient in Germany became known, and identified. He described recently hpow it was for him. He was held in quarantine for 19 days.

Since April his blood shows no antibodies against Covid 19 anymore, he reports in an interview marking the "half year jubilee".

:doh: Not good.

This is why I'm convinced this vaccine will come as a pill.
Where we have to take 1 pill per week or 1 pill every 14 days and not a one shot from a syrringer.

Markus

Jimbuna

07-28-20, 04:28 AM

The German foreign ministry advises against unnecessary travel to Catalonia, Navarra and Aragon "due to high infection numbers"

Belgium tightens social restrictions to try to avert fresh lockdown.

Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez says the UK’s 14-day quarantine is "unjust" and tourists would be safer from coronavirus in most Spanish regions than in the UK

A lack of translated coronavirus guidance is jeopardising the safety of non-English speakers in the UK, a joint letter to the health secretary claims.

US Republicans propose spending an additional $1tn (£776bn) to address the economic damage caused by the pandemic.

Emirates becomes the first airline to offer free Covid-19 insurance as it tries to get people flying again.

Worldwide, more than 16m cases have been recorded so far, with about 650,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University in the US

Jimbuna

07-28-20, 09:33 AM

The UK's "true" coronavirus death toll has passed 56,400, the latest Office for National Statistics figures reveal.

So far 56,409 deaths have been registered across the country where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, including suspected cases.

The figures come amid an ongoing row over Britain's travel quarantine measures, with reports the self-isolation period will be cut down from 14 days to 10.

The Government continues to opinion over its "swift" decision to remove Spain from its list of safe destinations to visit. Meanwhile, Downing Street has added a further five countries to the so-called "travel corridor" group.

In other developments, Boris Johnson has announced plans to make bikes available on the NHS as part of the Government’s anti-obesity drive, and the world’s biggest Covid-19 vaccine trial has begun in the US, with some 30,000 volunteers taking part.

Mr Quatro

07-28-20, 11:26 AM

I think either China is lying or we should all move to China

Mainland China

83,959 Active cases

Fatal cases 4,634

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6312c30f836a720061d8759e318aba1e

mapuc

07-28-20, 11:57 AM

^ In a Danish radio broadcast some month ago
Free China had a whole different numbers of infected and dead.

From Memory.

In Wuhan the local crematories had cremated over 42000/47000, more than usual.

Local health authorities drove around in the area and picked up dead bodies from homes.

Markus

Onkel Neal

07-28-20, 12:18 PM

I think either China is lying or we should all move to China

Mainland China

83,959 Active cases

Fatal cases 4,634

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6312c30f836a720061d8759e318aba1e

Look at Taiwan. Smart people.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=3391&d=1595956718

Jimbuna

07-28-20, 01:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahWS5RQBJwE

Platapus

07-28-20, 05:28 PM

I have a hard time believing that India's numbers are what they are reported.

Col7777

07-29-20, 02:49 AM

Skybird

07-29-20, 03:25 AM

^ By symptoms you are indeed sounding typical for Post-Covid19-Syndrome, but you may want to be sure and get tested just so to have a doctor deciding whether you still are infectous or not. I think you are not, and must not self-isolate any longer. Patients are not infectous throughout all the time they suffer from disease or post-disease symptoms. ;) The dangerous time where people are highly infectour for others is at the very early beginning. A second reason to get tested is to see if you have antibodies, and thus immunity for the time being. Its a bit complicated with concluding from antibodies on immunity, or concluding from lack of antibodies on lacking immunity, but as a rule of thumb the connection can be made.

Skybird

07-29-20, 04:04 AM

A German study shows that of all patients that got hospiltalized in Germany during Spring, every fifth patient has died of Corona. Thats sounds consistent to me with numbers saying that your risk for suffering so seriously when catching the infection that you need to enter hospital at some time, is 20 : 80, and that 4% of the total infected people die: 20 divided by 4 is 5: that means every fifth hospitalized patient.

53% of those needing ventilation, died.

The study's numbers base on health insurrance data representing one third of the total German population. To be found in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine.

And in JAMA Cardiology a group of scientists in Frankfurt report that 78% of patients recovering from Covid-19 (two thirds at home, one third in hospitals) showed lasting inflammatory processes in the heart muscle's tissue, visible in MRT. Most of these patients where never hopsitalised and had only very mild forms of Covid-19.

Last week I red somewhere that CARS-CoV-2 is a virus that can enterpratcially every cell type in the body, making the whole, complete body of humans a possible attack target. Everything, including neurons, and skin. It seems we have no knowledge that many such omnipotent virusses do exist.

A frightening little bugga... It commands respect.

Skybird

07-29-20, 06:02 AM

When the symptoms never go away:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/these-women-s-coronavirus-symptoms-haven-t-gone-away-doctors-n1235091

The real, profit reasons why Trump and his minions still promote Hydroxychloroquine, despite scientific trials showing it is not effective (latest such study for Germany just a week ago, I posted it then).

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/dark-money-pac-s-coordinated-reopen-push-are-behind-doctors-n1235100

Skybird

07-29-20, 08:09 AM

Boeing ends production of B-747 in 2022.

Earlier, world's biggest operator of 747s, BA, already had pulled the plug on its fleet with immediate effect. Other carriers followed.

End of an era. But you would have never got me into one of these oversized planes anyway. Although I did travel 20 and 30 years ago - never with an airliner, always on the ground, the tracks, the water. I just dont trust flying things the size of airliners.

Onkel Neal

07-29-20, 08:28 AM

omg, this just got serious

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-dr-pepper-shortage/

Reported shortages of Dr Pepper soda flavors across the U.S. in the spring and summer of 2020 sparked Snopes readers to question whether limited local soda stocks were the lingering result of coronavirus-disrupted production chains, or of people hoarding the carbonated soft drink.

Not taking any chances, I've got the Urban War Vehicle fueled and loaded, heading out now! :arrgh!:

Jimbuna

07-29-20, 10:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pDD1RGXH0I

Jimbuna

07-29-20, 10:07 AM

Young people could be driving spikes in coronavirus infections across Europe, the World Health Organization warns.

Several countries are seeing a higher proportion of new cases among the young, the health body's Europe director says.

The top US infectious diseases expert says the height of a pandemic is not the time to be distracted by political infighting.

Speaking to the BBC, Dr Anthony Fauci has blamed the recent surge in cases on some states not following expert advice.

Almost 1,300 virus-related deaths were reported in the US on Tuesday, the biggest daily increase since May.

Heathrow boss calls for tests at airports to avoid quarantine rules, but a UK minister says this is not a "silver bullet"

Scaled back Hajj begins in Saudi Arabia with international visitors banned.

There have been nearly 16.7 million confirmed cases globally, and around 660,000 deaths.

Skybird

07-29-20, 10:13 AM

omg, this just got serious

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-dr-pepper-shortage/

Not taking any chances, I've got the Urban War Vehicle fueled and loaded, heading out now! :arrgh!:
Try to buy dried yeast in German supermarkets. Not only is it out since March - they also have not gotten any resupplies since then.

(You can buy it via internet, in baker's quantities of 1 kg packs, but not those tiny packs with 5 sleeves à 7 or 9 gr).

Mr Quatro

07-29-20, 10:31 AM

omg, this just got serious

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-dr-pepper-shortage/

Not taking any chances, I've got the Urban War Vehicle fueled and loaded, heading out now! :arrgh!:

Coca-Cola too :yep:

https://www.eatthis.com/these-beloved-coca-cola-products-are-quietly-becoming-scarce/

According to information relayed during an earnings call last week, the company has been dealing with a lag in shipments due to a bottleneck of orders at the start of the pandemic. This means that the shortage of some of Coke's brands is only temporary.

Another factor that could play into canned sodas becoming scarce at the grocery store is the shortage of aluminum cans, which is due to a higher consumption of sodas and beers at home during the pandemic.

Coca-Cola is still experiencing a 25% decline in operating income due to the pandemic.

Buddahaid

07-29-20, 10:58 AM

The pandemic will solve global warming and obesity....

tmccarthy

07-29-20, 10:32 PM

Catfish

07-30-20, 01:56 AM

Dry yeast is not a problem anymore here since weeks, all available.

But in Germany the opening-up came too early. Someone with responsibility should have ordered a strict lockdown until the problem has been solved, regardless what people said, or listening to "opinions". Now more people will die, and their economy will suffer much more.
No comment on other countries. Humans are dumb.

Skybird

07-30-20, 02:23 AM

Dry yeast is not a problem anymore

Where do you live - on Helgoland? :) Münster, Osnabrück, surrounding small towns - out. Supermarkets say that have not gotten any since this all began.

Catfish

07-30-20, 04:09 AM

Hannover, dry yeast was missing at first (along with toilet paper), back in the shelves since appx. 4 weeks ago, tp already longer. Fresh yeast was available all the time.
I do not miss Dr. Pepper's, but then i never bought it anyway. No shortages of that either.. :03:

Skybird

07-30-20, 04:37 AM

Strange. I and also my mum have asked in several supermarkets and big consumer markets like Marktkauf, and they tell us they have not even gotten it (its not that what they get is sold out immediately) since March alhtough they reorder it again and again. I bake my bread myself since 30 years, and prefer dried yeast, its easier to store and to dose, and works as good as fresh yeast (whcih also is avaialble only at times, and then in very limited quantities that are soon sold out).

Ordering big 500gr and 1000 gr packs via internet is possible. But small packages (5x7 and 5x9 gr were unavailable at Amazon, too, last time I checked there).

Not that it is a drama. Just strange.

Jimbuna

07-30-20, 06:29 AM

The time people with coronavirus symptoms will have to self-isolate in the UK increases from seven to 10 days. The change comes as the government tries to avoid a resurgence of the virus.

England had Europe's highest levels of excess deaths between the end of February to the middle of June, official data shows.

Coronavirus has killed more than 150,000 people in the United States.

Florida is to close its coronavirus testing centres as Tropical Storm Isaias approaches.

Australia's virus-hit state of Victoria has reported its worst death toll and case rise.

Violent protests have broken out in Paraguay after areas were ordered back into lockdown.

There are now more than 17m confirmed cases of coronavirus and 667,000 reported deaths worldwide.

Jimbuna

07-30-20, 06:38 AM

Germany's economy - the largest in Europe - shrank by 10.1% in the second quarter of the year after being hit by the coronavirus outbreak. The fall is the biggest in half a century and sharper than economists had predicted.

Facemasks are being made mandatory in the US House of Representatives, as the national coronavirus death toll rises above 150,000. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said anyone who broke the new rule faced being removed from the chamber.

Vietnam's health ministry has told tens of thousands of people to contact disease control centres in a bid to contain the country's first coronavirus outbreak in more than three months.

A lack of testing for coronavirus across Africa is making it "nearly impossible" to understand the extent of the pandemic there, an aid group has warned.

For the seventh day in a row, mainland China has reported an increased number of cases of Covid-19. The country's media are urging people nationwide to not stop being vigilant, to continue wearing masks and avoid large gatherings.

India has also set a new record for infections in a 24-hour period, with more than 52,000 people testing positive.

Brazil has lifted a four-month ban on foreign travellers arriving by air, despite record numbers of daily cases and deaths. The government did not explain the latest move but observers suggest it is aimed at reviving Brazil's devastated tourism industry.

Japan is to lift its ban on the re-entry of some foreign residents next week, the foreign ministry has said. About 90,000 foreign nationals with residence permits are currently stuck outside Japan because of the restriction.