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Skybird

11-25-20, 11:45 AM

Remember back in the day when science was do dreamy and special advocating how the only way to stop the spread was for everyone was lockdown? Because as everyone knows science always knows whats best because its so sciency and the unbelievers were looked upon as too stupid to make their own decisions? Child malnutrition and poverty is just scratching the surface the damage caused by peoples new religion.
The methodology and working principles are the ebst we have, nothign comes close to it.

That does not mean it cannot be intentionally abused by the corrupt and unintentionally abused the incompetent.

I red myself deep inbto the feeild of orthomolecular mediucine and ecotropholy this year, and went ovr many chapters in books describign hwo the research on for exmaple salt or fats or sugar develoed over the decades. The ammount of forgery, ill intention, arrogance leading to ignorrance, stunned me - and I thought I had an idea on how corrupted academics branches are by no, I complained on that often enough. Often, benefitting industries were assisting in the mess. We see it in Corona times again: nobody ion TV dares to disucss how to vitlaising and moduelating your immuen system, but all attention gets distracted on expensive vaccines and finacial polcies and such. Some of the vaccines costs 20 coins per dose. Producing 10,000 pills o Vitmaine D or Zinc costs almost nothing. Now guess why Big Pharma propagated the first and ignores the latter, and sends lobbyists to get selling the latter prohibited!

Its the same with so many poetnially helpful natural remedies there are. You canjt9o make biog profits from them. They get actively ignored. They are made to get actively "forgotten". But that is nothing science ahs to do with. Its about corruption. Egoism. Narcissism. Greed. Even sometimes rivaly between political ideologies (the history of iodine research and medical treatment with iodine in the cold war).

Do not criticise the knife,. ciritice the murder using it. Do not target science - target abuse and target corrupting the method.

Got Amazon mail today, another (English book) arrived to get absorbed by me in short time:

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B08M1QXXF6/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3 %91&crid=2KEWZTFU0ON2M&dchild=1&keywords=dinicolantonio&qid=1606323196&sprefix=dinicol%2Caps%2C274&sr=8-1
(Not yet available in German)

That guy is worth gold, I tell you, his books on fats and on salt were brilliant. And meanwhile he became a professor, I see.

Such concentrated smartness makes me envious. :) I like him becasue he so much focusses on whatn I complained abotj often thsi year: that all thsoe TV "experts" talk on Big Pharma and expoensive vaccines and masks and ICUs - but nobody dares ot comment on the most obviposu and most naturla thing: the role of food deficiency in weakening the immune system, and other metabolic variables.

Because I stick to it: conspiration theoreticist and corona deniers are dumb if claiming the Sars-Cov-2 virus is just a flu or a cold. But If the vorus would have found a population better supplied in vital nutrients and thsu their metaboli8smns and immuen systems beign in much better shape - THEN the vorus would not have needed to be more than somethign like a flu indeed. Seen thsi way, Corona is just a symptom for the real catastrophe, that is the massive, all-embracing valuable-nutrients-deficiency of our food qualty and our eating habits.

Doesnt this make anybody think that we hail our medicine for beign so competent and great and wonderful and our food recommendations of the past 50, 60, 70 years beign so smart and healthy - and fatness, chronic desease and autominne desease have become pandmeic all over those poarts of the world where this mwetsenr food advise rules...??? Why are so many people taking this with just shrudding their shoulders...??? There is a huge contradiction between the claims of our medical paradigms, and the results that it creates! In parts of the world where they do not follow them, people are healthier. Where these people move into Western places and fall under such food regimes, they become ill.

Strange, eh?

Jimbuna

11-25-20, 11:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt-RHHOMl2g

Rockstar

11-25-20, 05:25 PM

The AstraZeneca Covid Vaccine Data Isn't Up to Snuff

https://www.wired.com/story/the-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-data-isnt-up-to-snuff/

The problems start with the fact that Monday’s announcement did not present results from a single, large-scale, Phase 3 clinical trial, as was the case for earlier bulletins about the BNT-Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Instead, Oxford-AstraZeneca’s data came out of two separate studies: one in the UK that began in May, and another in Brazil, which got started at the end of June. These two studies were substantially different from one another: They didn’t have standardized dosing schemes across the trials, for one thing, nor did they provide the same “control” injections to volunteers who were not getting the experimental Covid vaccine. The fact that they may have had to combine data from two trials in order to get a strong enough result raises the first red flag.
@ $4.00 a dose I guess you get what you pay for. What a bunch of hucksters and crap investigative journalism, wtg New York Times. :roll:

Skybird

11-25-20, 06:37 PM

The AstraZeneca Covid Vaccine Data Isn't Up to Snuff

https://www.wired.com/story/the-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-data-isnt-up-to-snuff/

@ $4.00 a dose I guess you get what you pay for. What a bunch of hucksters and crap investigative journalism, wtg New York Times. :roll:
I wouldn'T be too surprise dif they messe dit up indeed, as I said earlier they already had to major incidents in earleir testing phases, with early summer seeing a quarter of their subjects getting so ill that they had to break off the trial .

Due to cosmis radiaitons torms and a rumnoure dintervention by hositle Martians, this was almost nowhre reported, or nowehere. I heard of it at random only at some German conference speech on healthy nutrition held at a youtube coverage.

The Chinese also have problems with their trials in Brazil.

Thats why I am not in a hurry to get a jab: too much pressure in the kettle, too huge a gold treasure to be lifted. I am quite ready to learn unplesant truths about Biontech/Pfizer and Moderna as well, and if it is due to mass injecitons leading to problems with patients.

Too much steam in the kettle.

And Russia? Putin does not want to get a shot of Sputnik V. Well.

Rockstar

11-25-20, 06:51 PM

What sucks is the U.S. gave them 1.2 billion dollars for development and we got crap. Hucksters.

The NY Times article was probably paid for and pumped by some hedge fund so they could short AZN. Greedy sonsabiatches

Looks like its up to the Germans and Americans to save the world (BioNTech. Pfizer and Moderna) ;)

Rockstar

11-25-20, 09:29 PM

The rapid reopening reflected a near-sacrosanct EU belief: that borders within the continent are outdated relics, and any emergency closures must end quickly—much as the U.S. values free travel among its states...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-covid-surge-holidy-travel-11606238690

Catfish

11-26-20, 02:50 AM

[...] Looks like its up to the Germans and Americans to save the world (BioNTech. Pfizer and Moderna) ;)
Well Germany tried once, but most did not like it :oops:
:O:

As far as i know the developed vaccines are made of messenger RNS, and are not able to get into a cells core and screw up its genetics, but you know .. better wait a bit longer.

How can there be so many different "vaccines" (if they work) to target one and the same virus. Yes of course there can be different methods and approaches, but since you cannot kill a virus (it is not alive by any standards) the standard method up to now was to freeze/set in stasis/sometimes destroy its host cells by means of cytostatica to subdue virus numbers until the organism has built up a defense, or the virus has been washed out in a way. Works sometimes, but not the best idea.

Antibiotics destroy the cells in which a virus or other maldoing replication takes place, so while being destructive at a lower level it helps for the "greater good".

Instead those new vaccines concentrate on detecting the antibodies capable of inhibiting virus replication, or better antibodies that neutralise the infection before cells are harmed. It will still happen, but the damage should be restricted to a certain lower level. These are not really classic "vaccines". And they do not seem to inspire the immunosystem by using some disabled viruses, but directly target certain chemical structures, altering them.

@Skybird Taking "vitamines" and especially propping up the immunosystem is a good idea when living beings are young, in humans with more than 50 years of age the immunosystem often turns against its own host for whatever reason, causing inflammations here and there, even destroy nerves, muscles, and the whole organism in the process. Humans in the 21st century have a higher life expectancy due to enough food, medical support and such, but the cell replication is still going downhill after 40 years of a body's life.

When you have Guillain-Barrée syndrome, Multiple sclerosis or such and suffering of myeline-destryoing inflammations caused by an immunosystem gone wild, propping it further up with vitamins or whatever can be "unproductive", to say at least.
This is especially true when you already receive medicine forcing down the run-away immunosystem..

Jimbuna

11-26-20, 06:13 AM

People in England are set to find out the restrictions they will live under when the national lockdown ends on 2 December.

Most areas are expected to be put into the higher tiers two and three - both of which ban households from mixing indoors.

Tier three areas, where many business must close, will get extra funding - as well as more virus testing to help control infections.

Elsewhere, in a Thanksgiving speech, US President-elect Joe Biden says "we're at war with a virus, not with one another"

South Korea reports its highest number of new infections since March, with 583 new cases on Thursday.

The pandemic could wipe out 25 years of increasing gender equality, new global data suggests.

There have been more than 60 million coronavirus cases and 1.4 million deaths across the globe, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock will set out the plans in the House of Commons later this morning.

Jimbuna

11-26-20, 06:31 AM

The rate of positive Covid cases in England "has shown signs of levelling”, according to new data from the Office for National Statistics.
The ONS estimates one in 85 people in England had coronavirus in the week of 15 to 21 November, compared with one in 80 the week before.

Germany is seeking an agreement with EU countries to keep ski resorts closed until early next year in an attempt to prevent a new outbreak of coronavirus clusters.

Sweden's Prince Carl Philip, 41, and his wife Princess Sofia, 35, have both contracted coronavirus.

The Democratic mayor of the US city of Denver, Colorado, has apologised after breaking his own Thanksgiving advice to "avoid travel" by visiting family in Mississippi.

US President-elect Joe Biden says Covid-19 has brought the US "pain and loss and frustration" and cost many lives.
"It's divided us, angered us, set us against one another. I know the country's grown weary of the fight, but we need to remember - we're at war with the virus, not one another," he said in a speech for the Thanksgiving holiday.
"We have to steel our spines, redouble our efforts and recommit ourselves to the fight."
The US saw more than 1.2 million confirmed cases last week, with 2,200 deaths on Tuesday - the highest number since late May.
On Wednesday, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that nearly eight coronavirus infections went unreported for every one that was counted in the country.
The CDC suggests that as many as 53 million Americans had been infected by the end of September.

Croatia has been hard hit by the Covid outbreak in recent weeks and hospitals are struggling to cope. The northern city of Varazdin has begun erecting military tents to cope with the influx of patients. Ten people died in the space of 24 hours and hospital head Nenad Kudelic has spoken of a collapse of the health care system and "wartime conditions".

Germany’s leaders have agreed Christmas restrictions, with a “lockdown light” covering restaurants and bars continuing until 20 December and beyond, but with a slight relaxation over the festive period. Afterwards, states that have low rates of infection can start loosening restrictions.

Turkey has seen a big jump of 28,351 daily infections after it changed its system of reporting to include all positive cases. Doctors’ leaders and the opposition have accused officials of hiding the true numbers. Previously the average number was around 6,000 infections a day.

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin has extended Covid restrictions in the Russian capital that require over-65s and at risk groups to stay at home and at least 30% of workers to work from home. The requirements will go on until at least 15 January. Nationally, Russia has reported a record 524 deaths over 24 hours and another record 25,487 infections.

The World Health Organization says Italy has seen the biggest number of cases in Europe in the past week with 235,979 new infections. Last night Italy reported 722 deaths in 24 hours, a fall on the previous day, and a drop in the number of people treated in hospital.

After a long lull, coronavirus infection rates are beginning to rise in some areas in South Africa - particularly along the southern coastline.
Doctors in Cape Town and in Port Elizabeth are reporting a spike in hospital admissions.

Skybird

11-26-20, 06:43 AM

@Skybird Taking "vitamines" and especially propping up the immunosystem is a good idea when living beings are young, in humans with more than 50 years of age the immunosystem often turns against its own host for whatever reason, causing inflammations here and there, even destroy nerves, muscles, and the whole organism in the process. Humans in the 21st century have a higher life expectancy due to enough food, medical support and such, but the cell replication is still going downhill after 40 years of a body's life.

Mind you, young people, surprisingly sometimes very athletic , well-traioned, healthy-living ones, also get hit, severely. One wonders what the reason might be.

You said it yourself: "inflammations". The core root of moden pandemically spreading civilizational deseases (which means they are practially unknown outside out civilizational living habits). For long time we have been told to avoid saturated fats and rely on "healthy" plant seed oil because it has plenty of unsaturated fats. But that is not really the factor, indeed one of the healthiest oils you can consume is coconut oil, with unbelievable benefits especially for the elder'S brain: it has a staurated fat level of over 95%. What we need to look out for instead is the BALANCE Omega-6 and Omega-3. The first is a (necessary) inflammation starter, the second is the antidot to it. Naturally man should have a balance of around 1:1 to 4:1 at the max (lower is better), but our food habits have made it that most people have balances in the range of 15:1 to 40:1, 50:1, 60:1. What you get from this: inflammatory fat deposits i your body, sending inflammatory cytokines into the body and to the immune system. And so the drama starts, chronification of deasease, autoimmune deseases, all the joys of modern civilizational food desease there are.

We eat too much carbohydrartes, namely in form of corn syrups and refined sugars. But in the end all carbohydrates are sugar, what the body needs as a fuel to burn however is FATS. But it must be the good fats, not the bad ones we are being told to prefer because they are being produced in masses to feed the crowds: cheap plant seed oils, sold in white plastic canisters where refining, then light, then heating all add up to the oxidysation of the oils, making them even worse, making them inflammators.

While the body changes with age and its former abilties degrade, we have however overwhelming evidence after this year that even old people have their life expectancy fundamentally increased in case of taking care of Vit-D insuffiency, serious deficiency (comnlared to being non-deficient). We talk of probability spans in the range of hugh two digit factors! A study from i think Spain had a group of around 90 old people with sufficient Vitamine D levels all surviving hospitalization, while annother such group who were serious deficient, pratcially all were wiped out, to put it this harsh to make clear what happened. By trend and tendency, this was confirmed in much larger studies form indonesia and Israel, but dozens of other reports from around the world over this year confirm this basic message.

The term "silent inflammation" makes the round since years now, and it is a pandemic, it adds to the havoc of not having enough nutrients in your food to supply your immune system, it causes the immune system turning against the body due to all the silent inflammations over time turning into not so silent anymore inflammations. From diabetes over coronar heart desease and hypertension to osteoporosis, Asthma, Asperger, Depression and you know what - it has links to this one big issue: silent inflammations. They notorioulsy demand the immune system to be at war with something. And what does Vitamine D do? It modulates the immune system by making that less additonally inflammatory and more non-inflammatory cytokines get produced. Cytonikes are messager molecules by which cells communicate with each other. Better it would be if we would have better food habits that reduce the level of silent inflammations in our body in the first!

Also, what needs to be seen in context with the abiove, with silent inflkmations, is insuline resistence, a term still too unknown too many, alhtough insuline residstence is part of the the root and core of silent inflammation. The medical relevance of both for deseases, cionrificaiton of desease and auto-immune reactions, can hardly be overestimated.

Some degeneration due to age must be expected, it is unavoidable, yes, but you take just too much in that as a given that cannot be avoided. It can be reduced by not assisiting things to turn worse: due to bad food. Why do you think I have widened my interest from initially pure immune system questions to general eating, and fat metabolism? I do no run a strict paleo or keto food regime now, but I surely have learned to kick out all the bad fats and consume very high ammounts of Omega-3s EPA, DHA, ALA), coconut oil, cleared butter, and olive oil anyway. Additionally to minerals and vitamines, I also learned to look out better for food sources and the stuff that gets fed into animals before they get slaughtered or their milk being used - I must admit that so far I had naively underestimated the relevance of these things that before I considered to be a "vogue thing" only, a lifestyle thing. But when I am then told that the difference in feeding cattle with soy and grains, or with grass is that the ratio between Omega 6 and Omega 3 may even REVERSE, that is somehtign you can measure, and then I turn into a believer.

Too many lies we are being told since too long time. That salt makes us ill - the opposite is true. That sugar is what our body needs - the oppopsite is true. That me must avoid iodine, it can eaisly become toxic - the opposite is true. That selenium kills slowly and shoudk be avoided - the opposite is true. That soy is healthy - the opposite is true. Tjhat full grains is healthy - also , this is under massive fire now. That naturally farmedfood provides us with all that our body needs and that we should not create profits for greedy pillmakers by buying supplements - the opposite is true, our soils are too damaged and to degraded by now. That doctors always have it right - the opposite is true. That saturated fats must be avoided and that plant seed oils are better - not relevant, its about the Omega6-Omega3 balance (more nuances in the fat topic, but this is the most relevant). Why is this so? Last but not least because we are so many people that they all cannot be fed healthily anymore and food production must be boosted at the cost of its quality. This forms industry structures. this forms profits interests. This forms lobbyism. The network of doom.

You know what I say now, you heard it often enough.

WE ARE TOO MANY.

There is not enough fish in the sea to keep us all well-supplied with Omega-3, if 8 billion people would do like I can afford to do, the ocean would be empty before summer next year. And unfortunately, farmed fish and freely grown fish are not the same concerning their nutrients indices.

When you have Guillain-Barrée syndrome, Multiple sclerosis or such and suffering of myeline-destryoing inflammations caused by an immunosystem gone wild, propping it further up with vitamins or whatever can be "unproductive", to say at least.Indeed, or cancer. If I would get cancer, I would stop certain supplements that boost cell defences becasue these supplements do not discriminate between cancer cells and healthy cells. Still, you need an immune system, and must supply it.

You better ask yourself why you even get MS and myeline-destroying inflammations in the first. And there you are with the answers again that I gave above.

This is especially true when you already receive medicine forcing down the run-away immunosystem..But then, there are many deseases like you mentioned that additonally plunder the body's reserves in minerals and vitamines, and that then again creates its own problems.

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/3804736254/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3 %91&dchild=1&keywords=uwe+gr%C3%B6ber&qid=1606392145&sr=8-3

More an almanac to look things up, a bit diffiuclt at times:

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/3804719279/ref=sr_1_9?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3 %91&dchild=1&keywords=uwe+gr%C3%B6ber&qid=1606392758&sr=8-9

Its not wrong what you point at, but it is not the complelte picture. And it does not ask urgently enough where the problems you listed come from. They do not fall down from heaven, and are no unavoidable fate of age, especially when they appear pandemically in modern times since industrially processedf food has flooded the planet.

Indusatrially processed food only delivers energy, calories, but not sufficient nutrients. In principle it is industrial garbage. Waste.

One of my three new books on fats is available in German since some time, it happens to be the best of the three and it happens to be the same author who already wrote the Salt Fix. I recommend it, i its an eye opener if one is new to the world of fats, oils, and Omegas.

https://www.amazon.de/Superkraftstoff-Fett-Geheimnissen-schlechter-Gesundheit/dp/386445669X/ref=sr_1_5?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3 %91&dchild=1&keywords=dinicolantonio&qid=1606390877&sr=8-5

(Dont be irritated by the dubious publisher)

In English:

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B07HFCVG28/ref=sr_1_4?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3 %91&dchild=1&keywords=dinicolantonio&qid=1606390944&sr=8-4

I eat twice as much fat now - and slowly burn fat and slowly lose weight that way, and I am not even strictly keto or paleo, not by a lightyear. What do they say in medicine? "Who heals, is right."

Isn't it strange. We put our elderly into nursing homes where on average - in germany - they get 9-11 different drugs, half of them for initial deseases, the other half for fighting interaction symptoms and secondary effects of the first. And this we consider to be normal...? They get bad fats, plenty of white flour products, overcooked vegetable, becasue it all must be cheap, and healthy fruit juice; and to boost the morale: pie in the evening with more white sugar and white flour. And then we wonder that they die like the flies when Covid finds them...? I am not wondering at all.

Its not the age. Its the lousy nutritional status, the garbage we eat and drink all day long. The insuline resistence we create with our lousy eating habits.

Here is probably the reason why even young, athletic people sometimes get hit by Covid. They excercise and do marathons and all that - and then do one faulty thing, lets say they drink the energetic Gatorade drink to "perform better" :D - et voila. Fructose and Glucose, the one gets burned, the other gets stored in the liver, do it long enough, and you end up with non-alcoholic fatty liver and you do not even know it.

There are so many traps you can step into. And many do. One-sided, ill-balanced diat that are oh so hip. Super-foods that are oh so hop.

One needs to learn and know some things about these things. One needs to learn to question what the doc says, because many of them simply do not know it better themselves, too. How should they if they were not told it at university? The industry sends them many advertising leaflets for new drugs instead. Go figure.Thats why I slowly advanced only into these new topics, carefully and in small steps tracked my path into it all. But when evidence is on the table, then I can become quite radical and revolutionary as well. But I need to know the WHY. Regarding what I talk of here, I have seen enough over the going of this year.

The link between severity of Covid-19 and the deficiency of nutrients supply for the immune system, namely Vitamine D, is such an evidence. The past 15 years, since Sars 2003, has seen a paradimg change regarding Vitmaine D, a revolution, we have learend so unbelievably much about this hormon (thats whyt it really is).

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/3804732763/ref=sr_1_16?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C 3%91&dchild=1&keywords=uwe+gr%C3%B6ber&qid=1606392722&sr=8-16

The reason we are not being told, is simple. You can make no money with it. But you can make big,big money with selling expensive medications, and then medications to fight the side effects of the first medications, and then sell medications to fight the general health decline the earlier medications have caused in the time before.

We are getting lied to. We get betrayed by our leaders and "authorities". We get sold. Its no health system we have. Its a desease system. It needs the ill people to keep it going. For healthy people it has no use. Healthy people must be made ill to be of use.

Rockstar

11-26-20, 07:20 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 26 November 2020,

12 530 862 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK

307 125 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

11-26-20, 09:23 AM

Top twenty countries in order of total cases thus far but not necessarily deaths. Quite shocking.

https://i.postimg.cc/QCVcCXc4/Untitled12.jpg (https://postimg.cc/9w5DNH8Z)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

mapuc

11-26-20, 10:58 AM

Skybird

11-26-20, 12:40 PM

The Funny Court has a soft spot for superspreaders with religious motivations.

By its logic it must also support the Taliban, for they claim the same reasoning and logic and argument on their behalf: their religion.

Well, I always said that the Christian zealots of the Christian conservatives in the US, and the Islamic "fundamentalists" have much, much more in common than the first would ever like to be told.

Meanwhile the 16 states in germany have decided on 16 different variations of how to ruhn the next weeks or months. Its absolutely crazy, and disconnected from reality. 16 cocks and hens trying to show off how nice a dress of feathers they wear.

We should throw them all into Dschingis Khan's big kettle.

August

11-26-20, 12:42 PM

Jimbuna

11-26-20, 01:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z5C5qAwf20

Catfish

11-26-20, 01:19 PM

@Skybird Your post #5516 made a lot of sense, will lookout for the books :salute:

Jimbuna

11-26-20, 01:22 PM

Further 17,555 cases and 498 deaths in the UK

A further 17,555 coronavirus cases have been recorded in the UK, along with 498 deaths within 28 days of a positive test, according to the latest government figures.

The number of daily cases is down from 18,213 on Wednesday, while the number of deaths is down from 696.

https://i.postimg.cc/fRCsyhZX/111.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/1zYZ0c83/222.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/9MRHLR9t/333.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Skybird

11-26-20, 05:13 PM

@Skybird Your post #5516 made a lot of sense, will lookout for the books :salute:
To get you started more comfortably, here are two programs you can listen to in the background while doing your things, they are a popular audience's approach, so to speak.

The first is a video-conversation between Jörg Spitz and Uwe Gröber, author of some of the books I linked to. Its on how to quickly boost immune defences against Covid by taking Vitamine C, D, A, Zinc, Selenium, what is missing imo is Magnesium and maybe even Q10.

Jörg Spitz was chief in the Städtische Kliniken Wiesbaden, a radiologist and expert for image-based scanning and diagnosis who founded his own diagnostic institute. When he retired in 2005, he found to be too young to see this as the end of his career, and started his second go as a medical expert: he made his "Facharzt" title for prevention medicine, and followed it by adding the title for food medicine as well, since then he organises conferences, bringing inter-disciplinary dialogues to work, and works on informing a wide public audience especially on Vitmaine-D (for which he became kind of famous), and other topics as well.

Uwe Gröber is one of Europe's leading micro nutrients experts, a pharmacologist and author of many books, some for a strictly medical expert audience, some for students at university, and some for the wide public. He is engaged in students and medical staff and doctors training, and runs his own research institute on nutrition and orthomolecular medicine, and supervises research studies at several hospitals throught Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWrYPKO-89M

And the following is Jörg Spitz in the Berlin Urania, a speech that is both informative and entertaining, the topic is fats, and it gives an easy entrance into the topic. The man is very entertaining, easy to listen to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwSPLAkkRYc&feature=youtu.be

And since I mentioned DiNicolantonio, this is a one hour talk (in English this time) with an American doctor, and they both talk about how to boost immunity. DiNicolantonio meanwhile has made his professor title (he still looks quite young, almost like an athletic college boy...), and works at some heart desease centre in the Us as cardiovascular research scientist, pharmacologist and senior editor of several medical journals. I like the positive impression he leaves on my mind . And he knows the stuff he talks of (in now almost 250 publications, from books over studies to medical journal entries).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIlMnG9ZLO8

mapuc

11-26-20, 05:44 PM

Skybird

11-26-20, 06:21 PM

This sentence "on how to quickly boost immune defences" in Skybirds comment above is important not only when it comes to Corona but in general.

It's important to have a "well trained" immune defence.

Markus
The combination of Zinc and Vitamine C is known since long.

Else, Zinc is not easily resorbed, and competes heavily with other nutrients for cofactors in the body so that it can get metabolically processed. Therefore, you should take Zinc alone (with C at best), 3 hours after your last and at least half an hour before your next food intake. And certainly, with the exception of Vitamine C, take it alone with no other nutrients, especially not Selenium and Folate (=Vitamine B9). If you are healthy, do not exceed a dose of 40mg per day, if you are ill, dont be shy to immediately raise it to 80 - but do not maintain that dose without time limt, keep it imited to some days only, reduce it again when you feel better again. Its positive to have at least part of your Zinc fix as lozenges. It forms a protective film of Zinc on your throat'S mucosa.

Vitamine A knows severla processing stages, its best to take it as pure retinol so that the body has the least work with processing it. Not exceeding 5000-7000 I.E. most people should be fine and facing no risks, but some more propably still is uncritical. Usually Retinol comes in a flask and you take three drops to get 5000 IE. Vitamine A must be taken together with a small amount of additional fat or oil, not just the carrier oil it is delivered in.

Vitamine-C - well, some take a few hundred milligrams per day, others some thousand, and nobody seems to have problems. Much fear mongering was done in the last decades of the past century, regarding kidney destruction and such, its BS. If your are ill, your body tolerance for it will immediately increase by multiple factors. It gets stored not well and not long in the body, so best is to divide your daily fix into smaller doses and spread them across all your day. I heard of an idea which I really liked, have a salt shaker loaded not with salt, but with Vitamine C, and use it for any food or drink that can make use of the sour taste. Brilliant! Just cover it so that it stays dry.

Selenium: necessary cofactor for iodine, but should not be taken together with Vitamine C, keep some hours between them. 200-250 mcgr will most liekly keep you covered and certainly within safe territory.

Magnesium, very relevant for so many things, beside Zinc the most used and needed and profound mineral. Your needs can vary widely, but do not underestimate them (most people do). Resorbiton rate is such that you can lose up to one third or so of what you swallowed, so plan your dose accordingly bigger. I take two daily net doses of 400 mg (640mg per pill) each, giving a net of 800 (in total 1280). Drink a lot with it!

Vitamine C is hard to overdose, usually you will pee out everything in excess, or have one sit-in session in the toilet room, to settle the story, and thats all.

Same with magnesium.

Vitamine D is safe to daily doses of 40-50 thousand IE over several months, and single doses of 100-150 thousand IE. This is not to say you should take 30 thousand per day as regular maintenance dose! You only produce expensive urine that way. For limited time flood your Vitamine D reserves with high doses, and then reduce to normal maintenance dose.

Overdosing Zinc is easier possible and more difficult to handle then, since you cannot do anything to help getting rid of it, and need to sit it out until the body has metaboilically excreted it, which can last days and weeks. So with Zinc you do not want to exaggerate things.

Same with selenium, the tolerance doseis much higher than was previously thought in the last century, but you want to stay out of the danger zone - but I wonder if anybody really knows where it begins. But with the mentioned doses you are very safe anyway, and far away from any unwanted border crossing, thats what iodine experts seem to have consensus on.

Gerald

11-26-20, 06:23 PM

To get you started more comfortably, here are two programs you can listen to in the background while doing your things, they are a popular audience's approach, so to speak.

The first is a video-conversation between Jörg Spitz and Uwe Gröber, author of some of the books I linked to. Its on how to quickly boost immune defences against Covid by taking Vitamine C, D, A, Zinc, Selenium, what is missing imo is Magnesium and maybe even Q10.

Jörg Spitz was chief in the Städtische Kliniken Wiesbaden, a radiologist and expert for image-based scanning and diagnosis who founded his own diagnostic institute. When he retired in 2005, he found to be too young to see this as the end of his career, and started his second go as a medical expert: he made his "Facharzt" title for prevention medicine, and followed it by adding the title for food medicine as well, since then he organises conferences, bringing inter-disciplinary dialogues to work, and works on informing a wide public audience especially on Vitmaine-D (for which he became kind of famous), and other topics as well.

Uwe Gröber is one of Europe's leading micro nutrients experts, a pharmacologist and author of many books, some for a strictly medical expert audience, some for students at university, and some for the wide public. He is engaged in students and medical staff and doctors training, and runs his own research institute on nutrition and orthomolecular medicine, and supervises research studies at several hospitals throught Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWrYPKO-89M

And the following is Jörg Spitz in the Berlin Urania, a speech that is both informative and entertaining, the topic is fats, and it gives an easy entrance into the topic. The man is very entertaining, easy to listen to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwSPLAkkRYc&feature=youtu.be

And since I mentioned DiNicolantonio, this is a one hour talk (in English this time) with an American doctor, and they both talk about how to boost immunity. DiNicolantonio meanwhile has made his professor title (he still looks quite young, almost like an athletic college boy...), and works at some heart desease centre in the Us as cardiovascular research scientist, pharmacologist and senior editor of several medical journals. I like the positive impression he leaves on my mind . And he knows the stuff he talks of (in now almost 250 publications, from books over studies to medical journal entries).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIlMnG9ZLO8 I add B12 as well.:yep:

Skybird

11-26-20, 07:09 PM

All, each and every nutrient can and must be mentioned/added, because if it were really irrelevant for our healthand surivival, we would not need it. But in the video on Corona and immunity, the authors were mainly about what could be done fast and directly to give an as-quick-as-possible immediate boost to your immune system, and this purpose alone is what the mentioned items owe to.

You need an instant red alert ringing in your immune system? D, A, C, Zink, Selenium, Magnesium get you covered faster than most other things.

Its the red-alert-combo.

Additionally: heat yourself up, get sweating, raise you core temperature, create an artificial fever state. Sauna. Hot bath, shower. Sit in a car in death valley at noon. Do not battle fever as long as it does not reach to really threatening levels. Its a weapon your body uses to fight desease, if you suppress fever, you disarm your bodyguard. Not clever! Many animals can get even hotter than humans if forming a fever to fight a desease.

Drink a lot, but no soft drinks, and no fruit juices, fresh or concentrate. Simple water.

Get a lot of natural untreated salt over the day. And I mean: a lot. Keep the fluorid and the natriumferrocyanid out of it, you do not want it and you do not need it. What suckers get these crazy ideas to add such toxines to food and water...?

I like, especially in summer, cold sweet water with a few drops of a natural and high quality lemon oil essence or orange oil as you can find in supermarkets, it adds the arome, but leaves out strong taste and sugar. The Italians have the best I found so far: Leverno Succo di Limone. The same is available as Orange, also very good. I use a simple water filter by routine, because he have so much scale in our water over here, it ruins water boiler and espresso machine quickly if using unfiltered water. But a side effect is it reduces the chlorine taste in the water significantly, too, which is welcomed. The hygienics concerns are being taken care of by storing the filter and water in the fridge at 4°C, in darkness, and replacing it completely at least once a day.

https://www.amazon.de/Leverno-Succo-Limone-125ml-Sparpack/dp/B07R15N8WX/ref=sr_1_18?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C 3%91&dchild=1&keywords=zitronensaft&qid=1606436156&sr=8-18

Sleep. Rest. Do not train or excercise because you think training will tell your desease a lesson on who the bopss is. It won't. Better is: lay back, rest. Sleep.

Stay at home, and stay in bed. Crazy that one needs to tell this people, but you really need to tell this to a lot of people. Do not force yourself to work so that you can infect as many other people as possible. STAY HOME. Stay in bed. Stay hot. Sleep. drink, eat salt, and the other things listed. Nature has brought mankind until here this way. Do you really think clever you knows it better...?

Gerald

11-26-20, 07:28 PM

Skybird

11-26-20, 07:47 PM

For 20 years plus I have been eating at least 75 percent fish as well as green legumes and black beans and also garlic in high doses ... and of course also meat ... every week and lots of fruit and various vegetables, white bread is long gone. Also takes magnesium and what is needed for supplementation. Mix smoothies every day that contain ginger, carrot, spinach, garlic, and roasted peanuts..with some strawberries and blueberries. But can of course "cheat" by eating some bananas and some yogurt. Beef fillet or chicken with brown rice goes down well. Spontaneously, I think I get enough of what is important ... balancing is the key word.:)
We have a proverb in German: Wer wissen will, muß messen (who wants to know, needs to measure). Make a list of all what you typically eat, in grams, and then look up in a smart book the nutrition content. It can vary widely, for example in fish. Omega 3 and iodine, it can vary SIGNIFICANTLY depending on what sorts of fish you eat. the same alga from the Japanese waters and from the atlantic can have very, extremely different iodine levels. Once you have all the values on a list, then you know, you can also go ask a health practitioner for several variables checked via blood and urine tests, that usually are not being done yb your medical doc, possible you need to pay for these independent from your health insurrance.

Keep on mind: the apple you eat today has 5-8 times less vitamines than the apple your forefathers ate a hundred years ago. The field vegetables and cabbage they harvested during world war one, had up to nine times as much minerals and trace elements than the same things harvested today. Our soils are depleted of Selenium and other things, and the bacteriollogical biomes of the soil have been annihilated by Monsanto and Bayer. Our famrign groudns today are - deserts. Just using fertilizer and you are done?- forget it, it does not work that way, oyu cna get a fruit that way that looks like a furit and that ahs the content of a piece of wood. The many branches and species of fruits and vegetables have been bred and designed to look better, be bigger, be storable for longer time, but they have lost their taste too often, and they have also lost their nutritiuon contents. So chances are that although you believe you eat diverse and healthy, you nevertheless have deficits of which you simply do not know and that you cannot imagine. Vitamine D, Iodine and Selenium are the three hottest candidates for the finals, but Zinc, Magnesium, Q10, Vitamine B complex also offer good chances to score a no-score. And then there is the Omega 6-Omega-3 balance, and Q10 levels whiuch degrades with age, like Vit-B.

Personally, chicken is on its way off my chart, and fish moves in as almost exclusive "meat" food. Will add some portions of grinded beef, however, from cattle held on meadows. That they ate grass and no soy or corn, makes a difference.

Here in germany, Kerrygold from Ireland seems to be a good choice for butter products, since the Irish seem to hold their cattle mostly on meadows indeed. I always thought that were just a cliche told by the TV commercials :) , but it seems to be true. Again, grass-fed makes a big difference for the quality of the fatty acids balance. I could imagine that in sweden with that lots of nature, grass-fed lifestock also is widespread, but thats just my idea, the climate is different than in Ireland which gets hit by the golf stream. Over here in Germany, its mostly animal concentration camps, of course, and soy crap food. I really have started to move away from that. I even feel slightly ashamed that I did not care for it for so long time. Nothing against lifestock and slaughtering, but the way the industry does it has become unacceptable for me. I do not buy that anymore. My dealing with the squirrels in the garden also have left an impact on me. :) Cute little teachers they are, it seems, teaching non-verbal lessons.

Wild meat (boar, deer) is also an alternative, a good one, but hard to find over here, and then very expensive. A shame.

Fruits btw may be less ideal than we think. They are full with fructose, and no matter how you name it: it is sugar and gets metabolically processed like sugar. Diabetics can be prohibited to eat any frutis at all! I have reduced my fruit fix to one fruit per day: either an apple or a banana or a kiwi, although I could kill kiwis by the dozens every day... . But not anylonger.

Gerald

11-26-20, 08:34 PM

A friend of mine who accidentally tipped me off about a book, and it all took place in the late 1980s. He documented the book in connection with a job. The book describes very clearly minerals and trace elements that are necessary in our body. I went through various "possible" pieces to determine my habit of, for example, copper, zinc, etc. Even today there is a lot that agrees well. Will look later today what the book is called and link it up here.
Funny that you mention apple, I do not eat it, do not like it simply, however, I could eat avocado "all in". But I fully agree that the food we eat does not contain as many nutrients as many people think. Today when I was out driving I thought in my quiet mind, earlier when I worked more nights than now ... so there were some burgers and salads via drive-in, :nope: but semi-finished today it is extremely unusual.:)

les green01

11-26-20, 09:06 PM

most foods you get at the stores not good for you what they pack with to last longer when i became a diabetic the dr ask me what i ate told her mostly can soups that not even good for you my dad he loves them dinners smart ones the dr told him they not good for him loaded with salt and postasm 10 minutes later he runs up the isle throwing them in the cart like there a money prize in them i show him one dinner had 60g of salt

Skybird

11-26-20, 09:16 PM

As I said a week or two earlier, salt is no problem, but what you eat the salt with (or eating too little salt) Low salt diet increases insuline resistence. And canned food? Only good for emergency reserve storages, or when we talk about corn or tomatoes in cans. These can indeed become more valuable in cans, but all otber things in cans are seriously degraded in micronutrients.

Shock frozen vegetables often has higher nutrient content, because it gets frosted before it starts to loose nutrients to oxygene. "Fresh" vegetable on the other hand may have seen hours of transportation, and days on the shelves in the supermarket.

Have you ever tried to "unbecome" a diabetic? Experimentec with fats, ketonic nutrition? My father, mild diabetic, is off his meds. The doc did not trust his eyes. Took him the summer. He only eats cocos oil and fishoil now, no other oil and no butter anymore. Reduced carbs. Myself, I am off one of three hypertension meds, and halved dosage of the remaining two.

These things can work! .

Mr Quatro

11-26-20, 10:01 PM

Skybird

11-27-20, 04:30 AM

This is on the back of my Cheeto's cheddar Cheese pop corn bag

Is this bad? :hmmm:

Depends on the quality of the fats, in principle from a keto diet's point of view pop corn and cheese are not the worst choices for a snack, but in keto for example you would prefer to cut down carbohydrates as much as possible and you would prefer to be certain about your fat's quality. You cannot get into ketosis if eating too much carbohydrates, and then you cannot burn ketons and then you cannot replace carbohydrate-based energyx priduction with fat-based eneregy production. If you want to lose weight, you must not burn carbohydrates - you must burn fat reserves. But okay, we do not talk keto here.

Your snack is industrially processed food, so you cannot know what ingredients are included that are below the level where they must declare it on the lable. Also, it contains starch, and this strach was heated up, so it has a higher glycaemic index value, triggers a more intense insuline reaction. Eating whole corn and eating popped corn, makes a metabolical difference

Low sugar and no trans fats, says the lable. That both is good, too. Also, some fibre in it. Good, too. But it all falls or stands with the quality of the fat used.

Idea I got right now: popcorn with coconut oil instead butter or any fatty covering. May be a nice arome. I will try that later this day. However, coconut oil looses its cooconut flavour when getting heated up, sooo...

Thats my personal layman's assessment. I am no doctor or nutrition expert, however. Personally, i try to stay away from popcorn now, from any snacking between my two main meals. Every eating causes a spike in insuline production. I try to keep the number of events down.

Keep consummation non-excessive, then occasionally enjoying a not too big portion probably is okay.

Jimbuna

11-27-20, 05:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM1K2-yTf6k

Jimbuna

11-27-20, 05:47 AM

A revolt is brewing among the UK government's own MPs over areas of England being put into the higher tiers of Covid restrictions.

Some 55 million people will face the strictest two tiers of rules when lockdown ends on 2 December.

The government says it will publish an impact assessment before MPs get a chance to vote on the new rules on Tuesday.

If 40 Tory backbenchers rebel, the PM may need Labour's help in winning the vote.

Labour is expected to decide next week whether to back the plans, after consulting Covid experts.

Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick has defended the tier allocations and says they are "not going to change" before next week.

Fans in Italy have defied lockdown rules by gathering at Napoli stadium for a second day, to mark the death of football legend Diego Maradona.

There have been more than 60 million coronavirus cases and 1.4 million deaths across the globe, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

11-27-20, 05:50 AM

The number of infections in Germany during the pandemic has passed one million - with 22,806 new cases in 24 hours and a record 426 deaths. Russia has also reported record figures this morning with 27,543 daily cases and 496 deaths.

Belgium's prime minister will meet experts at 12:00 GMT to decide whether to reopen non-essential businesses, which have been shut since 2 November. France is making that move tomorrow, and fewer than 5,000 people are being treated in hospital in Belgium. But PM Alexander De Croo says Belgians will pay the consequences if the wrong decisions are made.

Latest figures from Sweden's health and welfare board reportedly show 73% of all Covid deaths involved people in nursing homes. Of the 3,002 deaths from 1 March to 23 November, 1,696 were in nursing homes, public broadcaster SVT reports.

Italy has seen another 822 deaths in 24 hours but the number of patients in hospitals is falling. Virologist Andrea Crisanti says infection rates in Italy have passed the peak and that fatalities reflect the level of infection two to three weeks ago.

France will allow people to go cross-country skiing individually from tomorrow, as long as it doesn't prompt big gatherings of people. Ski lifts have been shut for downhill skiing but cross-country skiing will be permitted, for example for people who live in mountainous areas.

Rockstar

11-27-20, 07:47 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 27 November 2020,

12 709 336 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising

311 529 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK an increase of 4,404 daily deaths making both tolls the highest anywhere in the world.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Swedish Life Expectancy to Drop for First Time in Century Due to Covid-19

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/swedish-life-expectancy-to-drop-for-first-time-in-century-due-to-covid-19/ar-BB1blluD?ocid=uxbndlbing

Skybird

11-27-20, 07:49 AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/27/politics/supreme-court-justices-personal-tone/index.html

What had to be feared, has now begun.

Catfish

11-27-20, 08:00 AM

A few religious weirdoes fled their island, and those illegal immigrants founded a nation based on their delusions while massacring the natives and contaminating the soil in GOD's name, what can you expect centuries later :O:
Back to the middle ages. Much closer to Turkey than i thought.

Only solace is indeed that Darwin's ideas may have a word with those.

Jimbuna

11-27-20, 11:03 AM

The R number for coronavirus has fallen to between 0.9 and 1 for the first time since mid-August, which means the epidemic is thought to be no longer growing.

'R' is calculated by the government's scientific advisers, and represents how many extra people each infected person passes the virus onto.

The aim is to keep R below 1 until a vaccine is rolled out.

During the first peak in the spring, R was thought to be around 3.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55105285

Skybird

11-27-20, 11:28 AM

Interview with a German top virologists who leads the registration study of the Curevac vaccine, and some others. He is head of the tropical medicine department at the university hospital in Thübingen.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesspiegel.de%2Fwissen%2Fmed ikamente-gegen-covid-19-wir-haben-kein-einziges-mittel-das-hilft%2F26658458.html

But overall it has to be said that after hundreds of studies worldwide, not a single agent has been found that specifically helps against Covid-19. And here I explicitly include remdesivir.

But remdesivir has been approved by the US and European authorities for the treatment of early Covid-19 cases.

Yes, one is used to a lot from the FDA, but unfortunately the EMA has also approved it - prematurely in my opinion. Because there is only one study, with around a thousand patients, that shows a clear difference in the duration of the illness, but not in the death rate and other, more important parameters.
In other placebo-controlled studies, including the largest, the “Solidarity” study by the WHO, no benefit at all was found for remdesivir (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&pto=aue&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wissen/remdesivir-wirkung-ueberprueft-who-studie-stellt-wirksamkeit-von-covid-19-medikament-infrage/26281236.html&usg=ALkJrhjBAaoKSBeOTAYGtbg8iwdpLW6G9g) . I wouldn't take it myself, or prescribe it to my father or anyone else. It's just expensive and nothing else.

What about dexamethasone that is supposed to help with a severe course?

That was cheered, but this is nothing new, nothing specific to Covid-19. We have been using such corticoids for acute lung failure for years. Practically nothing has changed in our limited options for treating severe Covid-19 cases since March. That is, the death rate will not change significantly either.

The part in red is what it all is about for the most. Thats why I say there is too much steam in the kettle, there is too big a gold treasure to be won.

Jimbuna

11-27-20, 01:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w26BEGHgqa4

Gerald

11-27-20, 06:01 PM

Skybird

11-27-20, 08:31 PM

Dont be afraid of salt, our problem is not too much but too little salt. I was at salt earlier in this tbread, wasnt I. Before refrigerators, people ate 50, 100 gram, even in some regions and under circumstances up to 200 grams of salt over the day.

Dinicolantonios book on salt is as much an eye opener as is his book on fat. I have each of these ordered additional four times. This christmas, my friends and family will get clusterbombed with the double book combo, fat and salt. :salute:

Rockstar

11-28-20, 08:08 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 28 November 2020,

12 882 936 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK

316 512 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK an increase of 4,983 dead since yesterday's report.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

11-28-20, 08:09 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/CKV1Gd0B/115678702-uk-card-27nov-nc.png (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

11-28-20, 08:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyXI-uOM-z0

Jimbuna

11-28-20, 08:43 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLp6b84x6SI

Jimbuna

11-28-20, 08:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLp6b84x6SI&t=271s

Skybird

11-28-20, 12:15 PM

In summer, the university of Bochum, Germany had a small study on mouth washes, too, finding that of 8 agents they tested, three deactivated 99.9% of the viral load in the mouth region, and the others also were effective to surprisingly high levels. Amongst the three top scorers was an ordinary Listerine product, with the tasts "Cool Mint". The other tested agents used hydrogenperoxide, iodine and chlorhexidrine.

I was surprised to learn that an ordinary tooth/mouth wash like Listerine Cool Mint could be this excellent, compared to more "serious" products of this category.

Additional mouth washing is part of my routine when I return home since then, like serious hand washing.

Jimbuna

11-28-20, 12:42 PM

These are the two I usually bounce between.

https://i.postimg.cc/T3kLng0k/3287372-540x-progressive.jpg (https://postimages.org/)https://i.postimg.cc/k5BVsGh7/Corsodyl-Daily-Defence-Fresh-Mint-500ml.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

11-28-20, 04:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+campbell

Skybird

11-28-20, 04:29 PM

In Berlin the first of the city's huge hospital complexes is about to shut down its Emergency Rooms, they will not take any more new patients then. Corona has overwhelmed them. Vivantes' biggest hospital in the city is one of the biggest the city has, with the Charité beeing the biggest, and its also one of Europe's two biggest. Two other hospitals, also carried by Vivantes, already have unregistered their ERs, and are no longer free for admissions.

Lockdown rules in Germany are diverse and vary widely form state to state, they are not even close to what would, be needed to bring numbers down quickly before christmas . Calculations show that after christmas Germany will pay a very high price for this folly.

https://www.de24.news/en/2020/11/too-many-corona-patients-in-vivantes-intensive-care-units-large-berlin-hospital-before-admission-stop-berlin.html

The numbers of free ICU in Germany are somewhat misleading, since the normal stations are almpost filled up already, and the free capacities consists of added emergency stations. The problem is that there is no nursing staff for many of these. Germany runs out of nurses, and this although in places they already work while beign finecetd and ill themselves. The late Soirng an dSumemr was wasted with not caring for this problem at all-. No staff was hired, instead even got fired.

Germany claims to have a supergood Corona management. I beg to disagree, over these and qwuite some more reaosns. If you want to see how it is to be done, look at Asia - Germany gets not even close to them.

The government has stepped back from plans to vaccinate the elder and vulnerable first, and now prioritizes to vaccinate nurses and doctors and caretakers in homes for elder people first. Makes sense to me.

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My blood boils hot when reading religious madness committing crimes like this:

In New York, thousands of sectarian orthodox Jewish nutheads celebrated a secret marriage in closed quarter conditions and with singing and close social contacts and zero hygienics and protection as if no pandemic were there, and in deliberately breaking of Corona regulations (which they have also violated before). Lets hope the virus mows them down by the hundreds, as a lesson for all others. Lets also hope they do not infect others, but that hope of course is in vein, its a nightmarish superspreader event, with the synagogue where it took place having 7000 seats. Freaks are freaks, I dont care what religion.:arrgh!:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7483203/secret-hasidic-jewish-wedding-new-york-video/

Rockstar

11-28-20, 07:24 PM

Record Levels

Cases in Germany have more than tripled since the start of October, with the number of infected people in intensive care climbing to record levels.

Like other European nations, Germany has imposed stricter measures in recent weeks to stop the disease from spreading. Merkel and the leaders of Germany’s 16 states agreed Wednesday to tighten limits on private gatherings but kept schools and most businesses operating to help limit the impact on the economy.

In contrast to nations like France and the U.K., Germany’s curbs have yielded little progress in slowing the disease’s spread.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/merkel-seeks-to-rally-germans-as-virus-death-toll-mounts

Jimbuna

11-29-20, 07:09 AM

England's new Covid tier system has a "sunset" expiry date of 3 February, Boris Johnson has told MPs in a bid to prevent a Commons rebellion.

The current lockdown ends on Wednesday, and many Tory MPs are unhappy with the toughened tiers that will replace it.

MPs will vote on the system on Tuesday, with Labour undecided on its stance.

In a letter to MPs, the PM said rules could be eased in December, MPs could vote again in January, and the tier system could end in February.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55118467

Perhaps our fearless leader is eventually coming to the realisation that everything isn't as rosy as he would like it to be.

Rockstar

11-29-20, 07:19 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 29 November 2020,

13, 019, 176 million cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising.

319, 712 thousand deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK an increase of 3,200 deaths since yesterday.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

11-29-20, 07:22 AM

I'll start to worry if we (the UK) get anywhere near that of the US and best we not take the Americas and lump them all together.

Rockstar

11-29-20, 09:05 AM

I'll start to worry if we (the UK) get anywhere near that of the US and best we not take the Americas and lump them all together.

Unless our borders are open to each other I wouldn't lump the U.S. together with Canada and Mexico any more than I would lump the E.U. Russia and 'The' Ukraine.

Old European nationalism is dead there's nothing left but an illusion of complete autonomy. The greater E.U. is very similar to the United States when it comes to open borders between the member states of its Union and the viral vector paths liberty like that creates. Only difference really by law we cannot close internal borders. You can but the commission has since persuaded their reopening for the greater good of the union and economy. Most likely why the European Union Center for Disease Prevention and Control (not me) as you say 'lumps' the numbers together and tracks the Union as a whole, including the U.K.

In a package of proposals to enable travelling to resume safely in the EU, the Commission proposed on 13 May to countries that are part of the Schengen zone to gradually reopen their internal borders. The emphasis is on coordination, no discrimination based on nationality and the respect of common health-related criteria based on guidance by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.

EU interior ministers confirmed on 5 June that most member states will have lifted the controls at their internal borders and the related travel restrictions by 15 June, with others due to follow by the end of the month. Ministers agreed to continue to coordinate closely under the lead of the Commission. Ahead of the 15 June deadline, the Commission issued further recommendations on how to lift restrictions with non-EU countries after 1 July 2020
“If we fail to restore the integrity of Schengen, we would seriously endanger the European project,” Fajon said. MEPs therefore want to ensure that any future internal borders controls remain truly exceptional and very limited in time."

Essentially they sound the same as Trump, just more refined and socially acceptable speech. :haha:

Skybird

11-29-20, 11:38 AM

You are much alone there, Rockstar. On my ID papers there still stands "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" and not "European Union" on top of it, and it is German passport that may get me or get me not a VISA for the US, not a EU passport. A passport with "Louisianna" or "South Dakota" written on it will get you no Visa for nowere in the world. A US passport will.

I stick to it, you are irked by the high total numbers in the US and the failure of Trump'S management neing displays in statistics, and so you try to relativise them by desinging you own statistics. Like Trump would do to trick reality.

Your claim is as if one would count all three NAFTA states (including the US) together. If that makes sense. Lets not talk about Mexican or US statistics, talk about NAFTA statistics. They are higher that way, obviously, making lets say Russia's numbers looking smaller in comparison.

I fear the EU will end up where you claim it already is. I call it the European Sovjet Union 2.0. But we are not yet there. Not yet. And I hope I must not live to see it happening. But yes, the gangsters in Brussels want to get there, that much I give you.

Stop relativising. Stop defending Trump. You want to compare? Compare not total numbers and do not throw nations together. Use the numbers-per-100k-of-nations-population. Thats the best comparison one could do: 1. nations, and 2. taking population sizes out of the statistical equation.

You think it makes sense if I start to compare the free state of Bavaria (note that: it is formally a so-called Freistaat, a free state) to numbers from the US? Man, America will look bad then! ;)

Skybird

11-29-20, 12:21 PM

Astra Zeneca gets into increasingly troubled waters with its calculation flaws to beautify the effectiveness of its vaccine. Just red another piece on it where their reasoning gets shreddered. Its not the first.

And this after earlier attempts to gloss over serious issues during their trials in summer, and late summer/early autumn, that strangely nobody talks about anymore, and were somewhat supressed in reporting

Too much steam in the kettle. Too big a gold treasure to be conquered. So far I do not really trust any of the three big candidates anounced in recent weeks. The British not for their repeated display of trying to mislead the public, and the other two for being what they are: new mRNA vaccines of a type that we have zero long term experience with.

Lets see what the future brings, there are more vaccines in development, while some of them also being new in RNA technology they nevertheless work very differently than the mRNA vaccines so far announced. There are over half a dozen of different types of "genetic" vaccines, not just one.

Possible that the slow horses win the race.

Rockstar

11-29-20, 12:26 PM

I'm quite aware of the issues facing the United States and the state I live in with regard to COVID. I know the statistics very well, I look at John's Hopkins School of Medicine COVID Board updates almost daily and see the changes throughout the Union and my own State. Contrary to everyones fears we have been upfront about those numbers and do not hide nor deny anything.

The statistics I'm posting are tracked and compiled by YOUR government, YOUR Union agencies, not mine. What surprises me is when faced with those statistics provided by YOUR government how offended and naive people wish to remain of their own predicament. If anything irks me it's how the hell can anyone can twist the reality of their situation into types of passports and Trump.

Btw, passports of EU citizens are not stamped when entering and leaving states within the Schengen Area and U.K. citizens do not require visas if their visit to the E.U. is less than 90 days. Its the unrestricted movement within the borders of the European Union that provides COVID the same freedom of movement it has in the U.S. Its why YOUR government looks at the whole picture and posts the numbers they do.

Making sense yet or do you still think its about Trump.

Skybird

11-29-20, 12:31 PM

Jimbuna

11-29-20, 01:05 PM

Yes, if both parties have differing views and there's little chance of agreement then continuing is pointless.

Moving on...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C2KH3Xt3W0

Rockstar

11-29-20, 01:16 PM

Sigh.

Bavaria is no Nation. The EU is no nation. The OECD is no nation.

Germany is a nation.

Texas is no nation. NAFTA is no nation. The UN or the two Americas are no nation.

The US is a nation.

The seat of NAFTA does not tell the US or Canada or Mexico what to do with covid, each of the three nations do their own thing, inside each nation provinces, federal states, districts do their autonomous own thing, but on some things they must listen to the voice of the national capitol.

Brussel does not tell each nation what to do with covid, every nation runs its own regime, and inside each nation provinces/districts/federal states do their own autonomous thing, but on some things they must listen to the voice of the national capitol.

End of this absurd debate for me.

Pretty simple, 28 states within Europe formed a Union and as such compiles statistics that reflect what going on within that Union. Like the U.S. the E.U.'s external borders are regulated. Like the U.S. its internal borders are open to relatively unrestricted travel to both people and viruses. Hence the the current increase in infections.

Doesn't have a thing to do with definitions of what a nation, country or state is, NAFTA, AFL/CIO, price of tea in China, whats written on a passport or Trump. Face facts the European Union is a government and those statistics are published by YOUR government.

I still love ya Skybird :D

mapuc

11-29-20, 03:52 PM

I don't feel for derailing this thread to much, but I have to write an off topic comment on this EU thing.

In many ways we are one nation...
If you only knew how many times I hear the words..It's something EU has to decide/approve(in our main stream media).

Markus

Rockstar

11-29-20, 08:38 PM

Pfizer COVID vaccines flown to U.S.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/covid-live-updates-la-county-orders-post-thanksgiving-lockdown-n1249195/ncrd1249229#liveBlogHeader

Think maybe its a cover up and Trump and the big pharma friends he just pardoned for taking candy from babies are stealing it for themselves and really flying the vaccine to the secret island where the Bush Cheney weather machine is located? lol

Jimbuna

11-30-20, 06:59 AM

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says she will not have an "indoor Christmas dinner" with her parents to avoid putting them at risk.

Boris Johnson hopes to avoid a Conservative rebellion over the three tier system of restrictions in England by publishing an impact assessment.

A study has found that coronavirus cases in England fell by almost a third in a fortnight after the latest lockdown restrictions began.

Shops in England could stay open longer in the run-up to Christmas in a plan to boost high streets.

The retail empire Arcadia, which has been hit by the pandemic, could face collapse within hours.

US virus expert Anthony Fauci has warned of a "surge upon a surge" in cases after millions of people ignored advice and travelled home for Thanksgiving.

Globally more than 62.7 million people have been infected and 1.46 million have died with Covid, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

11-30-20, 07:13 AM

More leading disease experts have issued dire warnings about the spread of coronavirus in the US after millions travelled home for Thanksgiving, against medical advice.
A coronavirus adviser to President-elect Joe Biden, Dr Céline Gounder, told CBS News she was concerned about the pressure on hospitals after the November holiday.
Dr Gounder said "unfortunately, that means that many people who celebrated with family, with friends over Thanksgiving will find themselves in the hospital, in ICUs over Christmas and New Year".
Dr Gounder issued the warning on Saturday, a day before data showed the number of people in hospital with Covid-19 in the US had reached a record high of 93,238.
The US has already recorded more than 13.3 million infections and 266,875 deaths, the highest figures in the world on both counts.
Another expert, emergency medicine physician Dr Megan Ranney, likened the strain coronavirus was placing on hospitals to “a natural disaster occurring in all 50 states at the same time”.

With just a couple of days left in England’s national lockdown, a major study suggests infections have fallen by about a third.
Some of the worst-hit areas saw the biggest improvements during the four-week shutdown, the study found.
But cases remain high, with an estimated 72,000 new infections a day compared to 100,000 before lockdown.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the country cannot "take our foot off the pedal just yet".
The findings come from Imperial College’s React-1 study, which gives the most up-to-date picture of infections. It involved swabbing more than 100,000 people from 13-24 November.

China’s economic recovery from the coronavirus pandemic has gathered more momentum, a year after the first cases were detected in Wuhan.
Manufacturing activity in November grew at its fastest rate for three years on the Purchasing Managers' Index, data showed.
An official at China's National Bureau of Statistics, Shi Zhaohui, attributed the growth in part to “notable achievements in the overall planning for Covid-19 prevention”.
China’s economy shrank by 6.8% in the first three months of 2020, when the country imposed some of the world's strictest lockdown measures.
But some forecasters expect its overall economy to expand by about 2% over the entire year.

Thousands of health workers have marched in the Spanish capital, Madrid, in support of the country's public health system. They called for an increase in funding to cope with the pressures of the pandemic.

Turkey is reporting record death rates amid concerns a recent surge in infections may overwhelm its health system.

In Germany, some traditional festive markets are going ahead, but with a novel twist. They are opening to drivers - rather than visitors on foot - with each stall operating as a drive-through service.

In France, the country’s top court has ordered the government to review a law limiting the number of people in churches during religious services to 30

Rockstar

11-30-20, 09:59 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 30 November 2020,

13 123 678 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising

321 998 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK an increase of 2,286 thousand deaths since yesterday.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

11-30-20, 10:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ku4VCPRLWI

Jimbuna

11-30-20, 10:22 AM

Moderna is filing for US and European emergency regulatory approval of its coronavirus vaccine so that it can be recommended for widespread use.

Regulators will look at trial data for the mRNA vaccine and decide if it is safe and effective enough to recommend for roll out.

Clinical studies show the jab is more than 94% effective at protecting people from becoming ill with Covid-19.

Pfizer, which has a similar jab, has already filed for the same US approval.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55129336

Jimbuna

11-30-20, 12:39 PM

Health and care workers in Scotland are to be given a £500 payment as a "thank you" for their work during the pandemic, Nicola Sturgeon has said.

The SNP leader announced the one-off payment to thank NHS and care staff for their "extraordinary service" in 2020.

It will be paid to all full-time NHS and adult social care staff, with a proportional share for part-time staff.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55124729

Hopefully this will shame Boris into doing likewise.

Rockstar

12-01-20, 06:48 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 01 December 2020,

13 229 794 million cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising.

325 407 thousand deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising. An increase of 3,409 deaths since yesterday and rising. Making it the largest number of deaths and increases anywhere in the world. European Union leaders having ordered State leaders to open Schengen borders and prioritize commerce has largely contributed to these dramatic and massive increases in the number of deaths.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

12-01-20, 07:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK0LBXV2bTs

Jimbuna

12-01-20, 08:00 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRRWhNrAtjA

Dowly

12-01-20, 08:09 AM

European Union leaders having ordered State leaders to open Schengen borders and prioritize commerce has largely contributed to these dramatic and massive increases in the number of deaths.I've explained this to you before already; EU members can close and keep their borders closed either completely or to select countries whether they're in Schengen or not. EU leaders have no authority to order any country to open their borders.

Finland has currently closed its borders to travelers from a good two dozen countries, many of them from the Schengen area.

Rockstar

12-01-20, 08:36 AM

Oh yes the Euro illusion of autonomy... You really should keep up with the news in your own Union Dowly. Schengen and commerce is the priority and internal borders are open and the virus is spreading.

Finland's borders are regulated by Finland but they are open for business from the Baltic States, Sweden and Norway.

EU guidance: how to reopen borders

In a package of proposals to enable travelling to resume safely in the EU, the Commission proposed on 13 May to countries that are part of the Schengen zone to gradually reopen their internal borders. The emphasis is on coordination, no discrimination based on nationality and the respect of common health-related criteria based on guidance by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.

EU interior ministers confirmed on 5 June that most member states will have lifted the controls at their internal borders and the related travel restrictions by 15 June, with others due to follow by the end of the month. Ministers agreed to continue to coordinate closely under the lead of the Commission. Ahead of the 15 June deadline, the Commission issued further recommendations on how to lift restrictions with non-EU countries after 1 July 2020.
“If we fail to restore the integrity of Schengen, we would seriously endanger the European project,” Fajon said. MEPs therefore want to ensure that any future internal borders controls remain truly exceptional and very limited in time.

Jimbuna

12-01-20, 09:29 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55142152

The US is going through the worst stage of its coronavirus outbreak since the pandemic began, the top infectious diseases expert in the country has said.

Dr Anthony Fauci told the BBC new records appeared to be set every day, with between 100,000 to 200,000 new cases and 1,000 to 2,000 deaths seen daily.

He said the US had broken a national record for the number of people currently in the hospital with Covid 19. As of Monday, there were a record 96,039 people in hospital with the disease, according to the Covid Tracking Project.

“And the totals of deaths are 266,000 deaths and over 13 million cases. So we're really having a terrible time,” Dr Fauci added.

https://i.postimg.cc/gcKL2Qvf/9295b458-fd67-47ab-9bd8-137a3c21e429.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

US President Donald Trump's controversial special adviser on the coronavirus, Scott Atlas, has resigned.

Dr Fauci could well be living on borrowed time now.

Skybird

12-01-20, 09:39 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/tg0sn7FR/1.png (https://postimg.cc/mPwL0LdK)
France currently has - roughly - twice as many active cases than the US, if you standardise the count against the different population sizes. Wowh, no wonder they freaked out the past weeks.

https://i.postimg.cc/4NqdjnLv/2.png (https://postimg.cc/Mv0qQZ8X)

https://i.postimg.cc/4NDfBqyB/3.png (https://postimg.cc/PPMnq6mw)

https://i.postimg.cc/zvLNkF1s/4.png (https://postimg.cc/2LfgkvyG)

Jimbuna

12-01-20, 09:47 AM

^ Those are some seriously alarming figures Sky :o

Skybird

12-01-20, 09:56 AM

^ They are by Worldometer again, I forgot the link again. After christmas, numbers will turn real ugly, I am certain. In the US maybe already earlier, due to Thanksgiving.

Large multi-generation-family gatherings should have been banned this year. Everywhere. Heck, this is no pickick in summer on the meadow, this is a desaster, a pandemic. And they all act as if nothing goes on?

One can get crazy. Especially those stupid, brutally egoist, mucho-macho idiots saying this is just like the flu. "Just the flu?" There is no "just" regarding the flu. People mean a heavy cold with a light fever and hilariously call that a flu. But the real flu, if it catches you, hits you down so hard that you cannot get up or down stairs without help, and if you stumble, or roll and fall out of your bed, you are so weak you cannot get back without help and can lie on the floor for hours. THAT is the real flu, and it feels so bad that you want to die.

Corona, if it really bites you, is much, much worse than that. It puts your body into a meat grinder and then pushes the On-button.

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China played chaotic, then foul:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html

Jimbuna

12-01-20, 12:37 PM

^ I'd have to agree with you on the above and especially so on the numbers turning 'real ugly' in the new year.

Below is a screenshot and link from one of the sites I'm following.

https://i.postimg.cc/W3b25N3V/111.jpg (https://postimg.cc/t1wQTHWv)
https://i.postimg.cc/xCx97wJz/222.jpg (https://postimg.cc/ftd4Sgvz)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/

It embarasses and annoys me to see the UK fifth on the list of the highest number of deaths but there are three countries who's figures I have trouble believing and that is Iran, Russia and China.

Skybird

12-01-20, 01:10 PM

To all deaths-numbers, one has to add those deaths that are indirectly caused by Corona - by Corona blocking capacities in hospitals and the health system. Operations delayed, examinations not taken, diagnoses in time that are not given, capacities for rescue that are so thin that they cannot arrive on location in time, and so forth.

That is why it would have been so very, very important to keep pressure on the system due to rising Corona numbers low. But no, "I have my freedoms and I want to have fun" is what its about. And so... well, one should know it by now.

Murderous egoism. Murderous ignorrance. Murderous stupidity.

Jimbuna

12-01-20, 01:12 PM

Actions always have consequences. Some much more than others.

Do you know that feeling when you're at the underground waiting at the station platform and you feel a rush of wind flying past you shortly before the train arrives?

I'm getting that feeling now.

Rockstar

12-01-20, 05:42 PM

FedEx says it’s ready for vaccine distribution as Tennessee health officials prepare for first doses in December
https://wreg.com/news/fedex-says-its-ready-for-vaccine-distribution-as-tennessee-health-officials-prepare-for-first-doses-in-december/

First coronavirus vaccine shipment to Ohio will arrive around Dec. 15, DeWine says
https://www.cleveland.com/coronavirus/2020/11/first-coronavirus-vaccine-shipment-to-ohio-will-arrive-around-dec-15-dewine-says.html

Just a few of the articles beginning to circulate. Seems all states are preparing for delivery of the vaccine in mid December.

August

12-01-20, 06:49 PM

I don't think I will get a vaccination. I've never distrusted such things before but I have a real hard time believing that they could come up with this so quickly.

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 07:17 AM

I don't think I will get a vaccination. I've never distrusted such things before but I have a real hard time believing that they could come up with this so quickly.

I feel similarly Dave but in all honesty I'll probably end up taking the chance, for the granddaughter if nothing else :yep:

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 07:29 AM

The UK has become the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, paving the way for mass vaccination.

Britain's medicines regulator, the MHRA, says the jab, which offers up to 95% protection against Covid-19 illness, is safe to be rolled out.

The first 800,000 doses will be available in the UK from next week, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.

People should wait to be contacted by the NHS, he added.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55145696

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 07:34 AM

UK becomes first country in the world to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine for widespread use.

Regulator Dr June Raine says at a government briefing that "no corners have been cut" in approving it.

A priority list of those who will get the vaccine first is published - with care home residents at the top.

Health secretary says the NHS 'stands ready' to begin immunisations next week for people in high priority groups.

800,000 doses will be available next week, but the "bulk" of the vaccines will be available in the New Year.

The prime minister will lead a press conference on the development at 5pm

Meanwhile, a new three-tier system of restrictions has come into force in England, as a four-week lockdown ends.

It comes after MPs backed the new rules which came into effect at midnight - despite a sizeable Tory rebellion.

Under the new tier system, non-essential shops can open everywhere.

But nearly all of the population are in the two toughest tiers where households cannot mix indoors.

From today, people who test negative for Covid-19 are allowed to visit relatives in England's care homes.

The UN calls for seafarers to be classed as essential workers so the thousands stranded can return home or to their ships.

Globally, there have been nearly 64m cases of coronavirus and more than 1.4m people have died, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 07:42 AM

The latest around Europe

Austria’s government will decide today how to allow shops and schools to reopen when lockdown ends next week. All teachers will be tested as part of a national mass testing programme and younger secondary pupils will be allowed back with masks. Hotels, bars and leisure facilities are set to remain closed but ski resorts could be allowed to open before Christmas for locals and day visitors alone.

France wants to ban its citizens from going on ski holidays abroad, as neighbouring Switzerland is keeping its resorts open. President Emmanuel Macron wants to avoid “creating an imbalance with ski resorts in France” that are being kept shut.

Ski resorts will also stay shut in Italy until January. Italians will have to stay in their local area over Christmas and New Year and a 21:00 curfew will stay in place throughout December. However, restaurants will stay open, including at Christmas.

Latvia has extended a state of emergency until 11 January – from tomorrow a 2+2 rule is required for meetings limited to two people two metres apart; shopping centres are shut at weekends and masks must be worn indoors including at schools. Prime Minister Krisjanis Karins says the situation in Latvia is “very serious”.

Germany has reported a record 487 deaths in 24 hours although infections have fallen and health officials put the transmission or R-rate at 0.89, so every 100 people with the virus infect 89 others.

Turkey has reported a record 190 deaths in 24 hours and has imposed curfews every night from 21:00 to 05:00.

The number of people in intensive care in Belgium has fallen below 900 for the first time since 26 October - 198 people were admitted to hospital yesterday.

Rockstar

12-02-20, 08:01 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 02 December 2020,

13 365 555 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and still rising.

330 489 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK an increase of 5,082 deaths since yesterday making it one of the worst and most massive increases of COVID fatalities anywhere in the world.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/is_large/public/images/w46_47_COVID_subnational_Last_2week.png?itok=ty0W5 9dD

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theflagshop.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fc atalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F1%2Fthumbnail%2F9df78ea b33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%2Fe%2Fu%2Feuropean-union-flag-std_1.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Rockstar

12-02-20, 08:20 AM

I feel similarly Dave but in all honesty I'll probably end up taking the chance, for the granddaughter if nothing else :yep:

I'm thinking I'll step up too. Not too sound morbid but there will be a lot of people standing in line for it. By the the time it rolls around to me I should have a pretty good indication what too expect.

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 08:44 AM

When more doses are delivered, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has advised that people are given the vaccine in the following order:

1. Residents in a care home for older adults, and their carers

2. Everyone aged 80 and over, and frontline health and social care workers

3. Everyone aged 75 and over

4. Everyone aged 70 and over, and those who are clinically extremely vulnerable

5. Everyone aged 65 and over

6. People aged 16 to 64 with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and death from Covid-19

7. Everyone aged 60 and over

8. Everyone aged 55 and over

9. Everyone aged 50 and over

Looks like I'll be in tier 6 and the wife in tier 7

Skybird

12-02-20, 09:20 AM

" a lung like a block of concrete" - an Austrian specialist has transplanted a lung from a Covid victim, and there is a picture of the Covid lung.

https://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/origs12726507/3013158090-w630-h326-o-q75-p5/klepetko-cc.jpg

The first time this has been done outside China. Vienna is an international hotspot for lung transplantations, but so far only the Chinese have transplanted Covid lungs.

The organ consisted only of dead cells and was fully "molten" into the surrounding tissue, usually it hangs almost freely in the chest, fixed only with a few strings. That made the operation difficult, since the lung was stiff and hard and fully connected to the body, had to be carved out.

Its horrifying what this virus can do. Giger would hysterically giggle.

https://www.focus.de/perspektiven/24stillehelden/focus-online-adventszeit-europas-erster-chirurg-der-einem-covid-patienten-eine-neue-lunge-transplantierte_id_12720088.html

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 09:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt8cEDd3tSc

Rockstar

12-02-20, 11:45 AM

Once approved by the FDA. Here is Marylands plan to administer the Vaccine. Seems we (Maryland) have a lower infection rate than other states so our initial supply of vaccines will reflect that fact.

https://phpa.health.maryland.gov/Documents/10.19.2020_Maryland_COVID-19_Vaccination_Plan_CDCwm.pdf

Appears that after phase 1 is complete we're not too specific who gets what and when

Phase 1: Limited Vaccine Availability: Target/Priority Group Determination for Vaccination (CDCPhase 1)Initial COVID-19 vaccination efforts will be made available to those at highest risk of developingcomplications from COVID-19 and those in critical workforce/infrastructure industries. Vaccinedistribution during Phase 1 will be limited to those employers/work sites (hospitals, long term care(LTC) and skilled nursing facilities (SNFs), essential employee occupational health) and to Marylandlocal health departments (LHDs). CDC has engaged in direct negotiations with two national retail chain pharmacies to provide COVID vaccinations to residents and/or staff at LTC/SNF facilities that request assistance.

Phase 2 will begin based on:availability of COVID-19 vaccine notification by CDC and state authorities that the general public Phase can begin and/or achievement of targeted metrics for vaccination of high priority Phase 1 groups.

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 11:57 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmMmvfceXq0

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 12:02 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/hPjDdGkL/111.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/Gh5cJCRZ/222.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/pL5Ps6Xy/333.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 12:05 PM

When will Americans get the jab?

Americans are wondering when they'll get a vaccine now that the Pfizer/BioNTech jab has been approved for use in the UK. Pfizer is a US company - its partner in the vaccine, BioNTech, from Germany.

It'll be down to the US regulator, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), to decide at a meeting next week.

Another vaccine, manufactured by Moderna, will be considered by the FDA a week later.

Vice-President Mike Pence said on Monday that Americans could start receiving the vaccine "as soon as the week of December 14".

US vaccine timetable:

8 Dec - White House summit with vaccine firms

10 Dec - FDA could approve Pfizer

14 Dec - rollout of Pfizer vaccine could begin this week

17 Dec - FDA could approve Moderna

The US has recorded a total of 13.6 million cases and some 270,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55155953

Rockstar

12-02-20, 12:31 PM

Coronavirus: EU could green light two COVID-19 vaccines in December

https://static.euronews.com/articles/stories/05/14/07/80/602x338_cmsv2_d446d236-2d2e-55bd-b83e-d0a70dcaa37e-5140780.jpg

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said on Thursday that the vaccines could be approved before the end of the year, which would allow them to be distributed in Europe.

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) is "in daily discussions" with the FDA, its American counterpart, to "synchronise their evaluations of vaccines" against COVID-19, she told a press conference on Thursday.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/19/eu-could-green-light-two-covid-19-vaccines-in-december

What whaaa? "its American counterpart"? :hmmm:

Rockstar

12-02-20, 01:02 PM

The evil of COVID politics and the illusions of autonomy

Even the U.K. must wait until the European Union Medicines Agency approves COVID vaccines. Makes me wonder if that's why the British Government was trying to ram through their own homebrew vaccine from Oxford before testing was finalized. Pretty sad state of affairs when governments place people at risk for something that was later shown to be about as effective as snake oil.

Until the end of the year, when the U.K. exits a post-Brexit transition period, vaccines there must be authorized by the European Medicines Agency. But on Friday, Hancock said he invoked a special rule allowing Britain’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency to authorize a temporary supply of the vaccine Astra is developing with Oxford University if the data is robust enough, after it showed positive results in trials this week.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-27/u-k-takes-steps-to-get-astrazeneca-vaccine-approved-before-eu

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 01:14 PM

Forget about the UK being an EU member. We left eleven months ago and the only fragile link is the twelve month transition period which will not stop the vaccine being rolled out whether the EU like it or not.

Boris is as much use as Trump right now and certainly isn't strong enough to go against the will of Parliament and the UK population.

The vaccine will be rolled out next week or at the latest the week after.

skidman

12-02-20, 01:19 PM

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/02/uk-approves-pfizer-biontech-coronavirus-vaccine-for-use.html

"UK becomes the first to approve Pfizer-BioNTech Covid vaccine, rollout due next week"

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 01:23 PM

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/02/uk-approves-pfizer-biontech-coronavirus-vaccine-for-use.html

"UK becomes the first to approve Pfizer-BioNTech Covid vaccine, rollout due next week"

:)

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2710833&postcount=5598

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2710858&postcount=5600

:up:

Catfish

12-02-20, 04:21 PM

"It's crazy to imagine the European Union or U.K. may approve a vaccine developed in the United States before us though, right?"
said a senior US official.

1) the vaccine wasn't developed in USA. It was developed in Germany by BioNTech.

2) The development of the vaccine was not funded by the USA.

3) US funding for vaccine to BioNtech's US partner Pfizer was directed at financing production and distribution capacity for US market (which is not the same as developing it b.t.w.).

Pfizer is going into production now to smooth out production glitches and build up stocks for release when approved. But only a fraction of Americans will get the initial 40 million vaccine doses covering 20 million people that are expected to be made available this month. Guess who. Guess who is to blame.

Not Trump. The EU! :O:

Rockstar

12-02-20, 05:36 PM

:up: Long live the Union!

edit: a fraction compared to the world population maybe. I'll have to look up where I read it but the U.S. placed a 2 billion dollar order with Pfizer for a 100,000,000 doses with another 500,000,000 due to be delivered by mid 2021. We're also buying from Moderna as well. So I'm thinking were covered and will not be lacking. But everyone should be aware nothing is going to happen over night there are over 7 billion people in the world that need to get vaccinated.

Whats really fascinating is according to a CDC study the regular flu vaccine reduced ones chances of catching the seasonal flu by only 40%-60%. This new vaccine from Pfizer and Moderna is at 90% and 94.5% That is some farking awesome technology at work.

Pfizer and BioNTech said they expect to produce up to 50 million vaccine doses globally in 2020 and up to 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021.

Moderna said in a November 16 news release that it expects to have approximately 20 million doses ready to ship in the U.S. and remains on track to manufacture 500 million to 1 billion doses globally in 2021.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/moderna-covid-vaccine-vs-pfizer-5088193

August

12-02-20, 05:55 PM

I feel similarly Dave but in all honesty I'll probably end up taking the chance, for the granddaughter if nothing else :yep:

Well then I hope for yours and your granddaughters sake that my fears are unfounded.

Mr Quatro

12-02-20, 06:41 PM

Looks like I'll be in tier 6 and the wife in tier 7

Remember it takes two shots 30 days apart :yep:

Jimbuna

12-03-20, 07:44 AM

Well then I hope for yours and your granddaughters sake that my fears are unfounded.

Appreciated and.....me too :)

Jimbuna

12-03-20, 07:47 AM

Remember it takes two shots 30 days apart :yep:

Not splitting hairs but here in the UK they are saying between 19 and 42 days :hmmm:

Jimbuna

12-03-20, 07:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhUh7FWDPMQ

Rockstar

12-03-20, 07:52 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control An agency of the European Union

As of 03 December 2020,

13 518 808 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising.

334 981 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK an increase of 4,492 deaths since yesterday and once again the highest recorded anywhere in the world and rising.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/is_full/public/images/w47_48_COVID_subnational_Last_2week.png?itok=r9Vqd 1Ed

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

12-03-20, 08:01 AM

England's deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam hails the Pfizer vaccine approval but says "we have to take it really carefully"

He is hopeful the Oxford vaccine will be approved for UK use by Christmas.

Professor Van-Tam reiterated that pregnant women should not take the vaccine.

US has record number of new daily cases - almost 200,000 - as hospitalisations double since early November.

Los Angeles mayor issues emergency stay-at-home order after "terrifying increase" in cases in the US city.

A total of 110,620 people tested positive for Covid-19 in England at least once in the week to November 25, according to the latest test and trace figures. This is down 28% on the previous week and is the lowest total since the week ending October 14.

Jimbuna

12-03-20, 08:06 AM

What's happening around Europe?

Spain is banning travel between regions over Christmas and New Year with visits to relatives excepted. But it will allow gatherings of up to 10 people on specific festive days. Italy is banning movement between regions from 21 December and 6 January, other than for work, health or “situations of necessity”.

Officials in France will give details of the country's vaccine strategy today – with enough supplies to vaccinate 100 million people.

France's President Emmanuel Macron has paid tribute to Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, who has died at the age of 94 after contracting coronavirus.

Shops, restaurants and museums are reopening in the Czech Republic today after a six-week closure for non-essential business. Infection rates are at 4,563 a day, down a little on a week ago.

Germany has reported another 479 Covid deaths over the past 24 hours. Last night the 16 federal states agreed to extend the closure of hotels and restaurants until 10 January.

Portugal will also give details of its universal, free vaccine programme – the government is planning to buy 22 million doses but has warned vaccinations could take some time.

Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis says bars and clubs can’t reopen until vaccines become available. Restaurants and shops will open gradually, he says.

Rockstar

12-03-20, 08:08 AM

Now this is something I hadn't realized.

Vaccine trials for children set for 2021

Though vaccines are on the way, they have only been studied in adults and children older than 12.
Trials for younger children could start early next year, Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health, said Wednesday. We "very definitely need to get there," Collins told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

In other news

the U.S. had 3,157 deaths yesterday breaking the record 2,603 set on April 15.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

Aktungbby

12-03-20, 12:00 PM

Mighty suspicious for a country that claims no corona-virus....as yet::doh:North Korean hackers have reportedly coordinated cyberattacks against at least half a dozen drug companies working on coronavirus vaccines and treatments.
A notorious hacker group that the US government has called “Kimsuky” targeted the companies in the US, the UK and South Korea in an apparent effort to steal sensitive information that North Korea could either weaponize or sell to an outside drugmaker, according to The Wall Street Journal.
The hackers have worked on attacks since August against Johnson & Johnson and Novavax — two American companies with COVID-19 vaccines in the works — along with three South Korean firms that are developing drugs for the deadly virus, the paper reported Wednesday.
The revelations followed a Reuters report last week that hackers had also tried to break into the systems of AstraZeneca, the British drugmaker that’s claimed its COVID-19 shot is up to 90 percent effective. The “Kimsuky” hackers have tried to ensnare victims by creating email accounts to pose as their colleagues or friends and sending messages with malicious attachments or links that can let hackers into the targets’ computers if they’re clicked on, according to the Journal. t’s unclear whether the hackers have successfully stolen information from any of the companies, the reports said. wo of the South Korean targets, Shin Poong Pharmaceutical and Celltrion, told the Journal they had been hit with hacks but had not found any damage, while the third, Genexine, said it hadn’t found any evidence of attempted hacking.

New Jersey-based Johnson & Johnson told the Journal that it’s watching out for threats to its data, and Maryland-based Novavax said it’s aware of foreign threats and is working with “appropriate government agencies and commercial cybersecurity experts.” AstraZeneca has declined to comment on the reported hacking attempts.

This isn’t the first sign of foreign hackers going after drug companies that are battling the coronavirus. Microsoft said last month that it detected cyberattacks against seven firms involved in researching vaccines and treatments that were linked to hacking groups in North Korea and Russia. British cybersecurity officials also accused Russian hackers in July of targeting organizations involved in coronavirus vaccine development.

Kim Jong Un’s administration in Pyongyang has previously denied carrying out cyberattacks in foreign countries. The Hermit Kingdom recently said it was tightening its boarders to build a “wall of defense” against COVID-19 even though it has claimed that it hasn’t had a single coronavirus case.:hmmm: :roll::nope:

In this instance, given my loathing of the Fatboy regime in N. Korea, I am of the Mercedes school of largess when it comes to safety over corporate profit in the face of global pandemic: "Mercedes-Benz owns 90% of auto patents, including air bag and other safety technology and shares that technology because they value life over profit...:salute:

Jimbuna

12-03-20, 12:04 PM

More than 60,000 people in the UK have now died within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test, official figures show.

A further 414 were recorded on Thursday, taking the total to 60,113.

Two other ways of measuring deaths - where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate, and the number of "excess deaths" for this time of year - give higher total figures.

Only the US, Brazil, India and Mexico have recorded more deaths than the UK, according to Johns Hopkins University.

However, the UK has more deaths per 100,000 people than any of those nations.

In terms of deaths per 100,000 people, the UK is the seventh highest country globally, behind Belgium, San Marino, Peru, Andorra, Spain and Italy.

The latest daily figures for the UK also showed a further 14,879 people have tested positive for Covid-19, taking the UK's total cases to 1,674,134.

https://i.postimg.cc/gkJqHWdP/111.png (https://postimg.cc/Z0GdJXCf)
https://i.postimg.cc/CLQCvQLn/222.png (https://postimg.cc/QHcWCS7j)

It's beginning to look like Boris the bumbling buffoon is in a race to get us to the top of the list.

Moonlight

12-03-20, 01:44 PM

Buddahaid

12-03-20, 02:40 PM

Right, it's all a conspiracy.

skidman

12-03-20, 02:53 PM

^ Me thinks who ever is coming up with these figures should read the link below and should then STFU.
The W.H.O have been sitting on their well paid asses for years instead of getting an international standard for how you measure deaths and their causes during a major epidemic like we have now. Until they do, those figures above are not worth the digital paper they are wrote on.

Coronavirus: Why are international comparisons difficult?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52311014

Rubbish, it's not the WHO's fault. On the contrary the organization tries to set international standards for monitoring pandemic events:

https://www.who.int/en/classifications/

The problem with COVID data doesn't exist on the professional level. When epidemiologists are evaluating data and feed them into their models, they know exactly what they are doing and how reliable their data basis is.

On the other hand data intended for the general public has to be taken with a pinch of salt, because of course it will be used and misused for political purposes (This thread has some good examples of data used to trying to make others look bad but in fact make an exhibition of the poster).

Long story short: It's not the data that pose the problem. But epidemiological data will be the basis for political decisions. And the question is: Can the professionals communicate the outcome of their data analysis good enough to the people in charge so that adequate political decisions will result from it?

mapuc

12-03-20, 04:26 PM

Talking about a real egoist

Following comment is a translation from a Danish news paper

Start article
20-year-old Danish man, is tired of restrictions: The elderly should lock themselves in for Christmas

“- For young people, coronavirus is not a death sentence. So why should we arrange our lives as if they are? The elderly must lock themselves in for Christmas if they are scared. "

This is what the Danish man said when he visited B.T. Live and was asked what he thinks about the new restrictions in the metropolitan area, which are specifically aimed at young people.

20-year-old man is a student and an avid debater regarding the government's actions during the pandemic. He is angry about some of the new restrictions that affect students in Copenhagen, where he himself studies at CBS. He believes that those in the risk group should choose to isolate themselves if they want to avoid becoming infected.

“- Of course, there are a few young people who are at risk and could die from this. But they, like the elderly, must take good care of themselves and hope that they have some relatives who can help them in this time, "

Journalists:
- But you should not limit yourself to taking care of yourself, but to avoid spreading the infection to risk groups. Do you not have a personal responsibility for it?

"- I would say we do better by actually taking care of the elderly and saying they have to isolate themselves, and then we provide funds that will make it easier for them to do so."

"If the elderly are afraid of the disease, they must lock themselves in for Christmas. Then it is up to the individual family how they will tackle it. "

Journalists:
- But do you not demand isolation if you do not believe that you young people should not comply with a lot of restrictions?

“- If you are genuinely afraid of dying of corona, you must go into self-isolation. You need to find a way to get your groceries delivered. It must then be your own choice. "

"- I think it's strange to shut down an entire society to a very small minority."
End of article

There isn't many who support his standpoint, in fact I haven't seen any yet.

Markus

Skybird

12-03-20, 04:57 PM

^ In Japan, more people die from Covid-caused suicide than from Covic itself. That means despair, depression, economic uncertaiunty drives people into suicide. Its mostly edler people (isolation) and younger women (financial insecurity due to failing safety nets, greater difficulty for women to be economically self-maintaining, and dependence from husbands that may have died).

Complete isolation of the elder people in nursing homes, sounds logical, but it comes at a tremendous human cost.

My answer? I have none. Its a pandemic, isn't it, a health desaster, a catastrophe. So what else would one expect - happy endings all around? Why then calling it a deasaster?

As a community/nation/civilization, we must and will endure this. The individuals need to suffer what they must. Thats neither heartless, nor cynical. Thats just how it is. Its a pandemic, a desaster.

Use FFP masks. Strrengthen and at the same time modulatre your immune system. Keep a distance, think twice on whether you really need to now experience this and that social contact/interaction.

Use your brain, if you happen to have one.

mapuc

12-03-20, 05:52 PM

Moonlight

12-03-20, 07:23 PM

Rubbish, it's not the WHO's fault. On the contrary the organization tries to set international standards for monitoring pandemic events:
I never said that it was the WHO's fault, what I do blame them for is in believing a communist regime that will do anything it can to protect its own reputation.

It was in late December that I first heard chatter about a possible virus outbreak in Wuhan China.
The Chinese government formally notified the World Health Organization on January 3rd that a new respiratory disease had been discovered in Wuhan.

The Chinese government and the WHO also downplayed growing concerns about whether the disease could be transmitted readily between humans. Speaking at a press conference in Geneva on January 14, Maria Van Kerkhove, acting head of the WHO’s emerging diseases unit, was quoted by Reuters as saying there had been “limited human-to-human transmission” in Wuhan.
The WHO scrambled to clarify Dr Van Kerkhove’s reported comments, saying she had only mentioned that human transmission was “possible” and “may” be occurring. “There was a misunderstanding at the press briefing,” the WHO told the FT that day. “Preliminary investigations conducted by the authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.” Another six days would pass before Zhong Nanshan, a Chinese epidemiologist and a government adviser, finally confirmed in an interview with state media on January 20 that the virus could actually spread between people.

What were the WHO doing from January 3rd to January the 20th, that press meeting on Jan 14 says it all me thinks, the WHO leadership sounds as if they're a bunch of incompetents instead of a global professional body.

Skybird

12-03-20, 07:45 PM

My comment wasn't about me,
I know, and I did not mean to give you the impression that I was "targetting" you.

Rockstar

12-04-20, 07:04 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 04 December 2020,

13 680 014 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising.

339 409 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK. Setting another world record increase of 4,428 deaths since yesterday and rising.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/is_large/public/images/w47_48_COVID_subnational_Last_2week.png?itok=2Gv4J A6e

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

12-04-20, 07:05 AM

Dr Anthony Fauci, the top US infectious disease expert, has apologised for remarks that seemed to criticise the UK's vaccine approval process.

"I have a great deal of confidence in what the UK does both scientifically and from a regulator standpoint," Dr Fauci told the BBC on Thursday.

The UK on Wednesday became the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer vaccine for the coronavirus.

It has defended the rapid approval and said the jab is safe and effective.

Dr Fauci on Wednesday had told Fox News that the UK did not review the vaccine "as carefully" as US health regulators, although he implied that the US would quickly also be in a position to approve a vaccine. "We'll be there. We'll be there very soon," he added.

He later told CBS News that the UK had "rushed" the approval, but on Thursday he walked back the comments, and said there was "no judgement on the way the UK did it".

"Our process is one that takes more time than it takes in the UK. And that's just the reality," Dr Fauci told the BBC. "I did not mean to imply any sloppiness even though it came out that way."

The UK medicines regulator - MHRA - said it had "rigorously assessed the data in the shortest time possible, without compromising the thoroughness of our review" - adding that it reviewed preliminary data on the vaccine trials dating back to June and had been running a "rolling review" since October which helped speed the process.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55177948

Jimbuna

12-04-20, 07:09 AM

The UK is "confident" it will have 800,000 coronavirus vaccine doses by next week, with immunisations starting on Tuesday.

The first consignment of Pfizer/BioNTech's vaccine arrived in the UK on Thursday - with a total of 40 million doses on order.

The business secretary called Britain's medical regulator "absolutely meticulous", as US diseases expert Dr Anthony Fauci apologised for appearing to criticise it.

Meanwhile, US President-elect Joe Biden has said he will ask Americans to wear masks for his first 100 days in office.

The French PM has called for the “biggest number possible” to get themselves vaccinated in an “altruistic act” to fight Covid-19

From Friday evening, pubs, restaurants and cafes in Wales will be banned from serving alcohol - and will have to close at 18:00 GMT every evening.

Jimbuna

12-04-20, 07:16 AM

Figures just released estimate that one in every 105 people (about 520,000) in homes in England had coronavirus in the week leading up to 28 November.
That amounts to 26,000 new infections a day, according to the Office for National Statistics.
Infection rates are falling across all regions of England - apart from the North East - and among all age groups.

French Prime Minister Jean Castex has called for the “biggest number possible” to get themselves vaccinated in an “altruistic act” to fight Covid-19. It comes after one survey found only 51% of French people said they would get the vaccine. France's three-step strategy will start with nursing homes and carers in January, followed by the elderly and health workers, and finally everyone else in the spring. The government says a maximum of 6 adults can meet for the Christmas holiday and it has put back the winter sales to 20 January.

Austria has started mass testing for everyone over six this morning - in Vienna, and the regions of Tyrol and Vorarlberg. Testing in the capital is taking place at 80 test stations and most other regions will do their testing the following weekend. The Canary Islands are also offering free tests in Spain for residents and students who want to come back to the archipelago for Christmas.

The Swiss government will decide today whether ski holidays will be allowed over Christmas. Resorts are already open but Germany, France and Italy are pushing the Swiss to keep them shut and Austria has severely limited access to its resorts.

Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte has told Italians that this Christmas will be different from all the others but “no less authentic”– as movement between regions is restricted from 21 December to 6 January. A record 993 deaths were reported on Thursday and officials say one in every 36 Italians has had the virus.

Infections are falling in Spain, where the level of cases is now around 250 per 100,000 people over the past two weeks, according to the health ministry. Another 254 deaths were reported yesterday.

Jimbuna

12-04-20, 12:52 PM

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Jimbuna

12-04-20, 01:00 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/fTJ68GWX/111.jpg (https://postimg.cc/ZCz7RDdK)

Jimbuna

12-04-20, 02:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5F2lZAwQ88

skidman

12-04-20, 02:48 PM

I never said that it was the WHO's fault, what I do blame them for is in believing a communist regime that will do anything it can to protect its own reputation.

Agreed, but this is not limited to so called communist regimes (the PR of China is not a communist regime, it is a one party dictatorship with a very special flavor of a planned economy).

It was in late December that I first heard chatter about a possible virus outbreak in Wuhan China.
The Chinese government formally notified the World Health Organization on January 3rd that a new respiratory disease had been discovered in Wuhan.

And in the meantime SARS-Cov2 has been found in numerous blood preservations in the US from donations that took place in early December 2019. So maybe the story of the Spanish flu (site of origin was Haskell County, Kansas) is repeating itself, and the Wuhan virus came into existence somewhere outside China.

What were the WHO doing from January 3rd to January the 20th, that press meeting on Jan 14 says it all me thinks, the WHO leadership sounds as if they're a bunch of incompetents instead of a global professional body.

You are judging incidents that took place in the past with todays knowledge about the plague. Although this is a common human shortcoming, it doesn't help at all. There is no doubt that almost all administrations of all countries have made mistakes fighting COVID and the WHO have failed too. But there is no evidence that the organization purposely has retained data or misused results to shroud the role of the PR of China or to avert suspicion.

Mr Quatro

12-04-20, 03:09 PM

@ skidman

are you still the only subsim member to be tested as positive for Covid-19 and recovered?

August

12-04-20, 03:27 PM

Agreed, but this is not limited to so called communist regimes (the PR of China is not a communist regime, it is a one party dictatorship with a very special flavor of a planned economy).

A one party dictatorship that calls itself the Chinese Communist Party.

Rockstar

12-04-20, 03:58 PM

A one party dictatorship that calls itself the Chinese Communist Party.

Silly me, here I thinking everyone in the world already knew that. :har:

August

12-04-20, 04:17 PM

Silly me, here I thinking everyone in the world already knew that. :har:

I blame it on societies excessive use of acronyms. To the uninformed and the willingly blind apologists we see here on the forum the "CCP" means something like the "Chinese Cookie Patrol" or the "Cantonese Cat Park" etc. Anything but the most deadly evil regime that the world has ever known.

https://i.imgur.com/GiUEr9Rh.jpg

skidman

12-04-20, 04:23 PM

@ skidman
are you still the only subsim member to be tested as positive for Covid-19 and recovered?

Well that is a misconception on your side, I've tested negative three times (1st because I had a little inflammation that caused fever, 2nd because one of our customers made it mandatory, 3rd because my boss's daughter brought back a little souvenir from her holiday).

So my current status is all green, despite two lower risk contacts (whatever that means. I'm still using public transport, those contacts come and go).

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4lro6jfjhr0fgzk/Cov.png?raw=1

skidman

12-04-20, 04:50 PM

A one party dictatorship that calls itself the Chinese Communist Party.

Well yes. It is a label, a sentimental statement, a piece of the national folklore nobody in modern China except the +80 generation cares about. Some use the label "Ugly American". Now, does that mean anything?

August

12-04-20, 06:45 PM

Well yes. It is a label, a sentimental statement, a piece of the national folklore nobody in modern China except the +80 generation cares about. Some use the label "Ugly American". Now, does that mean anything?

I use the term ironically. You can't say that about the CCP and I figure that the Uighurs, Tibetians or most of the people in Hong Kong or those poor people run over by tanks in Tienanmen Square or would agree with me. "Modern China" my butt. They are the same vicious murderers that sent have sent millions to their deaths and continue to do so today.

Jimbuna

12-05-20, 06:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPpoPA0D2fw

Rockstar

12-05-20, 07:15 AM

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

An agency of the European Union

As of 05 December 2020,

13 839 398 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK and rising.

344 007 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK an increase of 4598 deaths since yesterday, another world record.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/is_large/public/images/w47_48_COVID_subnational_Last_2week.png?itok=2Gv4J A6e

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Jimbuna

12-05-20, 07:49 AM

How is the above a world record when the current number of deaths in North America are reported as being 424 172?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Skybird

12-05-20, 08:55 AM

Lets add all North and South American numbers together to make it look even worse! :yeah:

Anyhow, in Germany it takes revenge ow that politicians wasted time uselessly in summer and had "good hopes", and now still shied away in Novembre from having national unified regulations and measurements, instead Germany is a rag carpet of individual local do's and dont's.

Stupid. Irresponsible.

Not to mention my usual argument that the virus would not bite as hard as it does if we would have spend the past onths to boost nutrition standards in hospitals, nursing homes, schools, etc etc. Vit-D, A, C, Zinc, Magnesium, Omega 3, Iodine, Selenium - you know the song by now, don't you. Just do not believe the valuesfor recommended nutrition doses the WHO wants you to believe in, they are physical assault, that low they are - usually by many factors. Big Pharma says Thank you for the profits generation. Patients have no reason to be thankful, but to sue for getting sick from these nutrition advices.

Rockstar

12-05-20, 09:21 AM

Since this thread started it's been littered almost hourly with COVID statistics on infections and the number of dead. From its inception these numbers have been gathered and grouped purely by man made political boundaries. Coupled with the same convenient, stupid and pointed comments about who has the world's record. However, I'm using a European source developed by the European Union that's has tracked statistic within its political boundaries and has (at the moment) shown to have the most deaths and recorded daily increases in the number of deaths.

Makes no never mind too me if we want to forsake borders and switch to geographical continental land mass now :) Do they have an Indo-European COVID statistic?

Jimbuna

12-05-20, 09:37 AM

Jimbuna

12-05-20, 10:13 AM

Russia is starting its Covid-19 vaccination programme, with clinics in the capital Moscow inoculating those most at risk from the virus.

Its own vaccine Sputnik V, which was registered in August, is being used.

Developers say it is 95% effective and causes no major side effects, but it is still undergoing mass testing.

Thousands of people have already registered to get the first of two jabs over the weekend, but it is unclear how much Russia can manufacture.

Producers are only expected to make two million doses of the vaccine by the end of the year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55198166

Buddahaid

12-05-20, 10:29 AM

Marin County and much of California is entering a lockdown period in the next few days covering the holidays. Marin starts Tuesday.

Jimbuna

12-05-20, 10:56 AM

Marin County and much of California is entering a lockdown period in the next few days covering the holidays. Marin starts Tuesday.

Yeah, I watched it on UK news earlier then looked at the LA Times
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-04/state-covid-19-cases-and-hospitalizations-soar-as-shutdown-nears

USA TODAY NEWS paints an even bleaker picture.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/12/04/covid-news-us-deaths-biden-public-vaccine-california-stay-home/3818218001/

The figures are really worrying but hopefully the imminent introduction of a vaccine will help alleviate the situation.

Rockstar

12-05-20, 11:00 AM

Well, in response to the above and regarding my personal input regarding the subject matter, I have consistently covered the entire world and none more so than the UK.

On the other hand I would suggest it is you who has focussed almost entirely on the UK and Europe and repeatedly made reference to 'world records' but whether you agree or otherwise is of no concern to me and certainly shouldn't impinge on the tone or focus of this thread.

Meanwhile.....

Yes, but has anyone got their panties in a wad and accused you of just trying to make people feel bad or somehow think you're defending a politician because of statistics? I can go through this thread and find plenty of posts with 'world records'. Its a statistic that has been pointed out and commented on here on more than one occasion.

The European Union statistics is solely a European source that never seems to be acknowledged. Maybe people dont like it because its an unwanted reminder, something to do with their world view maybe? I don't know if its denial or somehow people are offended by it. But it has absolutely nothing to do with making people feel bad, or defending a politician. I'm simply pointing out how close the color of the kettle is to the pot. It only gets posted by me because nobody else here will.

Jimbuna

12-05-20, 11:04 AM

Here was me thinking I'd posted loads of facts and figures regarding the UK and Europe :hmmm:

Rockstar

12-05-20, 08:05 PM

Hey, I just cut and paste official government statistics from an official government agency of the European Union and even provided a link. :subsim:

Just think of me as the messenger of pertinent information. I cant help it people got their panties in a wad because it didn't jive with their world view. :)

August

12-05-20, 09:49 PM

I find it amazing that there are people who have holed up at home ever since this thing hit and get so freaked out when they are forced to venture out into the world. As an "essential worker" I have continued somewhat normally working throughout, in several states, at schools, retirement homes, hospitals, office and apartment buildings, you name it. My life has been pretty much unchanged except for having to wear those damned masks.

Reece

12-06-20, 04:11 AM

Just pretend you're the Lone Ranger! :up:

Jimbuna

12-06-20, 06:25 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm45WPaZz-g

Jimbuna

12-06-20, 09:20 AM

Dominic Cummings: New evidence on lockdown trip to be examined by Durham Police. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/dominic-cummings-new-evidence-on-lockdown-trip-to-be-examined-by-durham-police/ar-BB1bEzjZ?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

Looks like the rat might not have escaped the trap after all.

Jimbuna

12-07-20, 06:11 AM

The UK will begin a mass vaccination on Tuesday, beginning with the elderly, health workers, and carers.

The country was the first to approve use of the Pfizer / BioNTech vaccine.

President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, tests positive for Covid-19

Large parts of the US state of California are facing a strict new lockdown.

The number of people shopping in England over the weekend falls to a quarter below 2019 levels.

Six coronavirus patients die in a hospital in Pakistan after oxygen supplies ran too low.

Globally there have been more than 67m confirmed cases and 1.5m virus-linked deaths, according to Johns Hopkins data.

Jimbuna

12-07-20, 08:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oFPU628JCs

Skybird

12-07-20, 09:11 AM

This summarizes why I think the new mRNA vaccines mst be met with a healthy dose of scepticism (and these are not even vaccinations of the full DND type lie thereare severla ones in the pipe). I do not like how massively they are being pushed and how short-cut the testing has been done and how manipulative the reporting on them. You cannot bypass the long time needed to assess longtemr complications. I am not principally against vaccination, not at all, but I warn of the the plenty of steam in the kettle, and our lacking knowledge about longterm consequnces and secondary effects as we have seen durign the vaccination campaign against swine flu here in Germany some years ago, which outclassed the numerical levels that we usually see form vaccination campaigns.

That I have no sympathy for the RKI (the German equivalent to the CDC), is no secret. Their way of handling th corona operaiton once again reveals a great deal of dillentatism and amateurishness. Well, its a department of a ministry, the health ministry. So what else to expect. You want to mess something up big scale? Give it into the hand of the state and its bureaucracy.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fbericht _zur_coronalage_vom_07.12.2020_wielers_offenbarung seid

I agree with the conclusion, that for the time beign vaccination should only be considered for high risk persons. All others should wait, and probably as long as possible.

I freshed up my immunization against tetanus earlier this year (first refreshing since my school days...), btw, just telling this to prove that I am not principally against vaccination.

mapuc

12-07-20, 09:23 AM

Another comment on these facemask.

Around 95-99.99 % of the Danish citizens use their facemask before and after in a very wrong way...It has been in the news and in commercials how to handle these facemask before and after they have been used. Nevertheless people handle these as they were a piece of paper.

And it's not only the ordinary citizens in todays press meeting I saw how the Danish Prime minister put her hand in her pocket pulled out some used facemask and put it on her face.
:nope:

She should have as a leader known how to handle it correctly.

Markus

Skybird

12-07-20, 09:46 AM

FFP masks for multiple uses best are tranported NOT IN A SEALED PLASTIC BAG as often is recommend, becasue that way they turn into diela btreeing grounds for germs and funghi the owner has breathed out and into them. Carry them such that fresh air is all aroudn them, I have mine on a clip linked to myRucksacj, belt, coat. If you want to be really sure, desinfect it in a UVC lightbox for a few minutes, then it should be indeed sterile. I do so, and I can confirm that it also extends the durabiliy of the mask: it starts smelling muhc later, of at all, becasue the bacteria casuign the smell, get killed in time. UVC light shatters the DNA of any germ, bacteria or virus or protozoons, but you need sufficient emitting power in the right wave length, I think it is around 265-270 nanometers, but do not take my word for it.

Second best option is to hang the mask up in direct, highly energetic sunlight on a non-cloudy day.

FFP masks ofte are certified by the prpoducers for how many hours they are intended to be used in total. Hence my claim that they can be used multiple times.

Lighter socalled surgical masks I would not bother to treat this way, but throw them away after one day's use.

Cootonwool masks I do not use. Its illogical to use them if you have FFP or surigcla masks available. And at least in Germany FFP masks can be had much easier now than in early spring.

Do not use FFP masks with exhakle valves. Should be self-explanatory why. These are meant for laboratory work only, not for human-human interaction.

Skybird

12-07-20, 10:00 AM

Its worth to note that the CEOs of all three leading vaccine candidate producers currently, said that nobody can say right now whether the shot protects against infection of others as well, in other words: they do not know whether a vaccinated person still is infectous for others, can transmit the desease. Thats something major, isn'T it?! And yesterday I red something where the author claimed for two of them that they do not even know whether the shot protects only against death in case of getting infected, protects against getting infected, or helps to ease the symptoms in case of an infection.

Another thing i would lable as serious.

We also do not know whether the immunization lasts long or short only.

But we do know that an awesome lot of money is in all this.

The German health ministre ahs demanded pharmacists durign a confernce with their lobby association that phamracists should absolutely tlak down any riks if customers ask, and should avoid to mention any concerns, unknown questions and possible imolications. In other words, the German mionstre of health has demanded Geran pharmacists (and by implication doctors as well) to commit a serious criminal offence for whic they could be jailed.

The mayor of the Baavrian city of Passau has voiced somehtign similiar, adressing the doctors.

I currently read a book by an American doctor, Ken berry. The nice title is 2Lies my doctor told me". Just a coincidence, the book has nothign to do with corona, but... hehehe... Never trust your doctor blindly. Always educate yourself as best as you can before making a decision. Never base on just your doctor alone. He must not even be a foul apple. It can be that he just does not know something, because he just never has learned it, was not told about it at university.

mapuc

12-07-20, 10:44 AM

^^ I use to put my unused facemask in a freeze bag, and I never touch front or back of this facemask I only touch the robber bands and the white strips in the top and the lower part on the mask.

Standing waiting for the bus...bus arrive I take my freeze bag open it use two of my fingers to grab hold in one of the robber band pull out one facemask. Then I use my fingers on the other hand to grab the second robber band and put these behind my ears thereafter I use two fingers to adjust my mask only touching top and bottom of the mask.

After use I touch the robber band to take my mask of and through it into a bin.
And I use it only 1 time

Markus

Skybird

12-07-20, 12:06 PM

If you throw it away anyway after one use, I assume it is a surgical mask then, you must not pay that much attention to keep the mask germ-free before use. Have you never had a scarf raised over mouth and nose in winter when it was cold and windy, or you were on bike? Did anyone (before Corona) care that much for washing his gloves and scarf and hat every day? I admit I do it every couple of years only. If i do it at all. The germs on my breath s till hve no managed to kill me. Maybe they tried, but if so, they failed miserably. I strongly doubt many people wash their scarf every week, every day. Infected the mask can only become once you wore it, so after use you must handle it carefully, or when you re-use it. A used mask must be considered as "compromised", since you cannot know whether you met Mr. and Mrs. Corona or not.

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On money. This one will bite us, and hefty.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article221981880/Corona-Pandemie-Die-Illusion-von-der-einmaligen-Jahrhundertkrise.html

Jimbuna

12-07-20, 12:19 PM

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Skybird

12-07-20, 12:46 PM

Merkel says we do not get over the winter in one piece if things stay like they are now. Therefore she wants a complete lockdown, with only supermarkets open.

After christmas.

That I do not see the sense in this rational does not mean that it is not there, right?

Jimbuna

12-07-20, 02:24 PM

Winter is not fully amongst us yet so she may well be right but only time will tell.

Skybird

12-07-20, 04:13 PM

Of course she is right there. Which makes the conclusion so absurd.

Mr Quatro

12-07-20, 05:43 PM

The UK will begin a mass vaccination on Tuesday, beginning with the elderly, health workers, and carers.

Fact checking this vaccine for Covid-19 will give you two different reasons to take or not to take the shots, but remember it takes two shots and they have to be kept at a certain temperature and you can't really be sure you are getting the real thing if some wicked evil nurse or doctor has sold your portion of protection for $5,000 to another higher up :o

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2020/phdata/tmy/2020HB-05044-R000219-Wrinn%2015,%20Chris-TMY.PDF

CDC Admits Vaccines Contain ‘Aborted Human Fetus
Cells’

If you ever needed a reason as to why there should be a Religious Exemption, here is
the main one.
Parents with a Pro Life stance should be able to opt out of getting cells from another
human being injected into their bodies. Who knows what the effects of the DNA within
those cells will be down the road, what expressions, what diseases could manifest?
Since ALL vaccines have NEVER been double blind placebo safety tested, and since
children have more health issues today than ever before, it’s common sense to proceed
with the utmost caution and our health departments should be researching and asking
for those tests to be done. They should also be asking for the manufacturers to be liable
for any deaths or injuries caused by the so called ‘safe’ vaccines, and not leave it up to
the taxpayers to foot the enormous bill. Why are you not protecting us in this manner?
Thank you,
Chris Wrinn
Milford, CT

Disclaimer of the FB video

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaccine/fact-check-lung-tissue-of-an-aborted-male-foetus-is-not-in-the-vaccine-for-coronavirus-idUSKBN27W2I7

The user in the video then switches to a Wikipedia page for further research on this mention of MRC-5, which she points out is a cell line “originally developed from research deriving lung tissue of a 14-week-old aborted Caucasian male fetus” (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRC-5) . Speaking to her audience about the composition of the vaccine, the user says: “one thing it definitely has is the lung tissue of a 14-week-old aborted Caucasian male foetus.”

This is not true. AstraZeneca has confirmed to Reuters via email that AZD1222 was not developed using MRC-5 cell lines. The study, which was published on Research Square and was referred to by the Facebook user, is an independent study led by scientists at the University of Bristol (here, here) to test the efficacy of the potential vaccine prior to human trials. It tested this by observing how AZD1222 gets to work when inserted into a human cell line, ie: MRC-5 cell lines. This is not the same as developing a vaccine whereby MRC-5 is an ingredient in the final product.

Mr Quatro

12-07-20, 10:32 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/man-fined-3500-for-breaking-taiwan-quarantine-for-8-seconds/ar-BB1bHU2p?ocid=BingNews

Man fined $3,500 for breaking Taiwan quarantine for 8 seconds

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1bHJNg.img?h=450&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=563&y=386

Jimbuna

12-08-20, 06:48 AM

The NHS begins the "biggest vaccination programme in its history" with Margaret Keenan, 90, receiving the first Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

Margaret, known as Maggie, said getting the jab was "the best early birthday present" - she turns 91 next week.

Professor Stephen Powis of NHS England said it was "really, really emotional" and marked "a truly historic day"

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said there was a "long march ahead of us but this marks the way out"

PM Boris Johnson said the vaccine would make a "huge difference" but urged people to keep following the rules as "we haven't defeated this virus yet"

Hospital hubs across the UK are gearing up to give the vaccine to the over-80s and some health and care staff.

The UK is first country in the world to start using the Pfizer vaccine after regulators approved its use last week.

More than 60,000 people in the UK have died after being infected with Covid-19, according to government figures.

Globally 67.59 million people have been infected and 1.54 million have died, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

12-08-20, 07:04 AM

Europe’s second Covid wave has been more deadly than the first, Spain’s El País newspaper reports. Since the start of August the pandemic has claimed 152,216 lives while the first wave up to the end of July cost 136,176 lives.

Italian Interior Minister Luciana Lamorgese has tested positive prompting two ministerial colleagues to go into isolation. She took part in a brief cabinet meeting on Monday where everyone wore masks. Lamorgese doesn’t have Covid symptoms.

Denmark is reimposing tighter restrictions on 38 towns and cities including Copenhagen and Aarhus. As of tomorrow restaurants and bars will shut and many children will be sent home from school.

France is still looking to relax the national lockdown conditions on 15 December, despite the aim of 5,000 maximum daily cases not being met. Cinemas, theatres and museums are set to reopen and families will be allowed to meet up for Christmas. Health Minister Jérôme Salomon says cases are down to around 10,000 a day and France must remain vigilant.

German Health Minister Jens Spahn says if cases don’t fall before Christmas then stricter lockdown measures may have to be imposed again. That could mean non-essential shops closing.

A Dutch New Year’s Day tradition of diving into the sea at Scheveningen is being cancelled because of the pandemic. Instead, the organisers are offering to send frustrated divers two tins of sea water so they don’t miss out

India reported fewer than 27,000 new cases for the first time since July on Tuesday, the government has announced.
It is a significant drop from early September, when the country recorded more than 90,000 new cases in a single day.
More than 9.7 million people in India have contracted the virus since the pandemic began - the second-highest number of any country in the world after the US.

Russia began large-scale vaccinations for at-risk groups over the weekend using the Sputnik V vaccine, which received emergency approval from the government in August. But clinical trials to test its safety and efficacy have not yet been completed.

China also appears to have begun offering vaccines to the public, with hundreds queueing for an experimental jab that has not yet completed clinical trials in the city of Yiwu in October.

In the UAE, thousands of frontline staff and even the ruler of Dubai have already been given a vaccine developed by China's Sinopharm.

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is due to meet on Thursday to discuss emergency approval for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, with a decision on the Moderna vaccine expected next week.

The EU is expected to make a decision on whether to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine by the end of December, although it is unlikely that member states will begin offering vaccines before January.

Jimbuna

12-08-20, 07:08 AM

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Rockstar

12-08-20, 10:10 AM

Its made from monkey's. :03:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOq8-FR8s1E

skidman

12-08-20, 05:18 PM

mapuc

12-08-20, 05:22 PM

A thought

Those vaccine who has been developed have been, what I understand, tested on non-infected people.

I hope the isn't going to be some complication if people who is or have been infected gets the vaccine.

Markus

Rockstar

12-08-20, 05:28 PM

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/08/europe/uk-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccination-intl/index.html

https://media.mutualart.com/Images/2016_05/15/20/201748866/13f3b54e-8532-4bd6-ab9a-3db5feaaa401_570.Jpeg

Brits get the vaccine first because they live on an island. If things go bad and the vaccine turns them into zombies we can blow the chunnel and isolate.

Bet ya didn't know that.

Buddahaid

12-08-20, 05:34 PM

But they have HMS Thunderchild hidden away.

Rockstar

12-08-20, 08:19 PM

An mRNA Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 — Preliminary Report

None of the participants had fever after the first vaccination. After the second vaccination, no participants in the 25-μg group, 6 (40%) in the 100-μg group, and 8 (57%) in the 250-μg group reported fever; one of the events (maximum temperature, 39.6°C) in the 250-μg group was graded severe. (Additional details regarding adverse events for that participant are provided in the Supplementary Appendix.)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2022483

So I'm wondering now what have they determined as the appropriate dose?

btw, if you read they fine print they do mention zombiefication as a possible side effect.

Jimbuna

12-09-20, 07:08 AM

Infections in the US pass 15 million, as President-elect Joe Biden vows to provide 100 million vaccinations in his first 100 days in office.

People with a history of significant allergic reactions should not have the new Pfizer/BioNTech jab, UK regulators say.

The warning came after two NHS workers had allergic reactions on Tuesday - the first day of the UK's vaccination rollout.

GPs in England have been told to be ready to give the jab from next week. Hospitals started giving jabs yesterday.

Campaigners accuse rich countries of hoarding doses of Covid vaccines, leaving poorer countries able to vaccine only one in 10 people.

A cruise has returned to Singapore on day three of a four-day trip after a passenger tested positive for Covid-19

Schools in England will be allowed to close a day early for Christmas to give teachers "a proper break" from identifying potential Covid-19 cases.

The latest figures show there have been more than 68.2 million infections and 1.5 million deaths linked to the coronavirus worldwide, a tally by Johns Hopkins University says.

Catfish

12-09-20, 07:57 AM

I wonder how Bill Gates is going to spend his first day in control of Margaret Keenan, 90, from Coventry.

Skybird

12-09-20, 10:36 AM

I wonder how Bill Gates is going to spend his first day in control of Margaret Keenan, 90, from Coventry.
:haha: :up:

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https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/coronavirus/nach-erster-impf-welle-werden-grosse-infektionszahl-sehen-drosten-warnt-vor-neuer-patientengruppe-im-sommer_id_12754153.html

In the NDR info podcast "Coronavirus Update", virologist and Charité scientist Christian Drosten addressed the expectations of a quick vaccination of German citizens. In the population, a “distorted perception” arose from reports of success from politics.

Even if vaccination starts in January, one should not lose sight of the amounts and periods of time that are involved: “It won't be the case that a large number of people in the population will be vaccinated by the end of January. These temporal ideas will simply not be able to be fulfilled. [...] The vaccination per se, with the delivery figures now in prospect, will not interrupt the pandemic spread of this disease. "

According to Drosten, politics now has to deal with how non-pharmaceutical agents and measures can be used. However, after a certain point in time, these measures will no longer receive approval from the population.

“At some point in the summer we will have a situation where it might be possible to state that those who are at a very high risk in society - and who wanted to be vaccinated - are now vaccinated. At that moment we will no longer be able to convey socially that we are upholding non-pharmaceutical interventions. At some point we must then embrace unlocking and opening. [...] We will at some point come into a situation where the infection will then run to a large extent in the population. And we haven't seen that before. "
The temperatures in summer will then influence the infection process in our favor, but after the warm days there will be a changed infection process: "We will then come out of the summer and see a large number of infections in a population group in which we do not yet have any: In the healthy, normal population, where there are no risk factors." The pandemic event will then slowly come to a standstill - because part of the population will already be vaccinated, another will be thoroughly infected.

But then the patient picture in the hospitals will change significantly.

Skybird

12-09-20, 10:47 AM

An mRNA Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 — Preliminary Report

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2022483

So I'm wondering now what have they determined as the appropriate dose?

btw, if you read they fine print they do mention zombiefication as a possible side effect.
The UK has issued an allergy warning against the jab by Biontech/Pfizer, saying that peoople with existing moderate or serious allergies for the time being should not get the shot.

Reactions to the jab have been widely reported, the symptoms are interpreted as the body recognizing the presence of the foreign mRNA material, and the immune system starting to react to it. Symptoms range from a mild heating around the wound, to a raise in general body temperature, headaches, dizziness, and the likes.

Pre-existings states of allergies apparently are not secured to not be a serious concern.

mapuc

12-09-20, 10:52 AM

I wonder how Bill Gates is going to spend his first day in control of Margaret Keenan, 90, from Coventry.

Maybe like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjPsaYMk83Y

Markus

Skybird

12-09-20, 10:58 AM

I wonder how Bill Gates is going to spend his first day in control of Margaret Keenan, 90, from Coventry.
https://www.welt.de/satire/article222112830/Nach-Impfung-gegen-Corona-Briten-werfen-iPhone-und-MacBook-weg.html

The opponents should feel confirmed: Apparently, the vaccinations against the novel corona virus, which began in Great Britain in the second week of December, are not as free of side effects as hoped.

The medical staff who vaccinate senior citizens against Covid-19 disease unanimously report a puzzling phenomenon: old people immediately disconnect from their electronic devices.

“After I gave her the syringe, she gave me her iPhone 11 with a disgusted look on her face,” says the doctor who gave 90-year-old Margaret Keenan the first British woman to receive the Biontech and Pfizer vaccine. She said "I would rather get a device with the Windows operating system, that is much better than this junk from Steve Jobs.

" Numerous relatives report similarly disturbing experiences. Accordingly, the newly vaccinated throw their MacBooks and AirPods in the trash and refuse with hands and feet to eat an apple. “He says it's the symbol of evil,” reports the daughter of an 87-year-old from Dover, who currently has to help her father with a complicated craft job: “We're carving an altar for Bill Gates, for whatever reason. "

If you fear comparable side effects or are generally afraid of injections, you don't have to worry in Great Britain. The government wants to open vaccination centers all over the country in common eating places. "Then you don't have to be pissed off, but take the delicious microchips orally together with Fish," they say from London.

Jimbuna

12-09-20, 12:20 PM

UK regulators have issued a warning that people who have a history of "significant" allergic reactions should not currently receive the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine after two NHS staff members who had the jab suffered allergic reactions.

The workers were given the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine on Tuesday - the first day of the NHS mass vaccination programme - and then suffered an allergic reaction.

It is understood both staff members have a significant history of allergic reactions - to the extent where they need to carry an adrenaline auto injector with them.

This means that anyone scheduled to receive the vaccine on Wednesday will be asked about their history of allergic reactions.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-vaccine-pfizer-nhs-oxford-covid-uk-cases/

Jimbuna

12-09-20, 12:22 PM

A further 533 coronavirus deaths have been recorded in the UK, taking the total number of people who have died within 28 days of testing positive for the virus to 62,566.

The latest government figures also show there have been a further 16,578 cases across the UK.

Jimbuna

12-09-20, 12:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fXn1PCU2E8

Skybird

12-09-20, 01:39 PM

How to and how not to pay for the Corna measures.

https://www.fuw.ch/article/how-much-debt-is-too-much/

Let me put it this way. Neurologically, I once learned, the human brain is unable to form an adequate visualised understanding of numbers bigger than 25-30. It can form the illusion of depicting bigger numbers in a visual representation only by a lot of cognitive tricks and cheats, but it is not as real as is the imagination of for exmaple 4 items of something. 25 to 30, not more. No further zeroes.

Humorously so-called "economists" by habit throw around with numbers having 9 - 14 additonal zeroes, and more.

New Money Theory is neither a theory, nor is it new, nor is it anything more than just garbage. Its old stale wine in new bottles with a cast-golden print on a socialist-red label.

Jimbuna

12-10-20, 08:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayQvcu20j7A

Jimbuna

12-10-20, 08:08 AM

The United States records more than 3,000 deaths in the latest 24-hour period - the highest total in a single day anywhere in the world.

The UK's economic recovery slowed in October - rising 0.4% on the month against a backdrop of rising Covid cases.

Canada joins the UK in approving the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine.

South Africa, the worst hit country in Africa, enters a second wave of the pandemic as it registers 7,000 new cases on Wednesday.

Ministers in Northern Ireland are due to meet later before the end of a two-week lockdown on Friday.

The origins of many of the second wave of Covid infections in Scotland were ignited by summer holidays, a study suggests.

There have been 68.9m cases and 1.56m deaths worldwide, figures from Johns Hopkins University show.

Jimbuna

12-10-20, 08:14 AM

A day after Angela Merkel made an impassioned plea for Germans to accept tougher lockdown measures, a record 23,679 cases have been recorded. Bavaria's state premier, Markus Söder, says there should be a complete lockdown from Christmas to 10 January.

French Prime Minister Jean Castex is set to announce a relaxation of lockdown measures today, but not as fast as planned. The government did hope daily infection levels would be down to 5,000, rather than the 14,500 announced yesterday, so cinemas and theatres are likely to stay shut after 15 December.

The Czech parliament has voted to extend the state of emergency again, but only until 23 December. The government had sought an extension until 11 January. Another 5,848 Covid cases were recorded on Tuesday - the highest figure for two weeks.

Slovakia has ordered schools and most shops to be closed for at least three weeks from 21 December. Almost the entire population took part in mass testing recently in an attempt to avoid further lockdowns.

A Dutch think tank has called on the government and employers to help vulnerable people who have not had help so far. It has also highlighted that between 9% and 20% of young people are at risk of becoming a “lost generation”.

Belarus is banning departures via its land borders to prevent the spread of Covid-19. Foreigners arriving in Belarus will have to show they have a negative test.

Jimbuna

12-10-20, 08:19 AM

The United States has recorded 3,054 Covid-related deaths in a single day - the highest total anywhere since the pandemic began.

The previous single-day record was 2,769 on 7 May.

More than 106,000 people are in hospital with Covid-19, according to the Covid Tracking Project.

Hospitals in some states are almost full and medical experts are warning that things will get worse in the weeks ahead if people continue to ignore warnings to avoid unnecessary travel and large gatherings.

Many experts have attributed the huge spike to people relaxing their precautions at Thanksgiving.

President Donald Trump has been heavily criticised for his handling of the crisis and President-elect Joe Biden has promised to get a grip on the situation.

The US remains the worst affected country in the world with more than 15 million recorded cases and over 289,000 deaths.
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Skybird

12-10-20, 09:36 AM

I love it. In late Octobre and ealry November, pltlicians hick-hacked eahc other over tighhter rules, 16 cocks and hens ran aorund and eahc of them did their own thing, and the result was the nzumbers were steeply climbing, and they say it and hich.-hacked even more and blablabla, and they kepot on doing their own thigns in ever ystate, and the numbers kept on climbing steeply. They said that they do it to protect Christmas days. And here we are now, anbd the indifference and carelessness and stuoidiuty and idiocy of the pllcial perosnell is what has led us to now assuming that right on Christmas days the hard olockdown will fall. They have achieved right th eexact opposite of what they cliamed theyx were aimign at with their wishy-.ashy nonsense tlaking and hesiation to set tighter rules, althopugh a vast ,majorit yof the population here expected an ddemanded them - SINCE WEEKS. But no, not our wionderufl bette rkniowng supsmart monsterbrains in the reigonal governments.

And they now have the impertinence to accuse the nomal population for having escalated things this far.

Big, big, big fail in Germany since summer. And this although in Spring Germany was seen as the Wtsenr textbook exmaple for how to do it. (Asian countries always did things smuch better than even Germany, however). This detoriation was and is much unneeded and unnecessary. Absolutely unnecessary. They messed it up, or in plain German: sie haben es nach Strich und Faden verkackt.

Onkel Neal

12-10-20, 09:48 AM

Spoke with my physician and I'm in line for the vaccine soon. My sister will take it in the first wave as a nursing home health care provider.

Jimbuna

12-10-20, 10:32 AM

Spoke with my physician and I'm in line for the vaccine soon. My sister will take it in the first wave as a nursing home health care provider.

That's good to know. The wife and I have decided to accept the jab as and when it's offered.

Skybird

12-10-20, 11:06 AM

Spoke with my physician and I'm in line for the vaccine soon. My sister will take it in the first wave as a nursing home health care provider.
Let us know when you grow long ears and a soft fur and get an intense appetite for carrots. ;) :D

Jimbuna

12-10-20, 12:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+campbell

Mr Quatro

12-10-20, 01:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+campbell

All of the above or only today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WndHeosSVGk

Mr Quatro

12-10-20, 01:40 PM

That's good to know. The wife and I have decided to accept the jab as and when it's offered.

@ Neal

You do realize that you will be tagged and registered and that you will have to have two shots 28 days apart and that if president elect Biden gets into office you will be contacted by the IRS to make sure that you qualified for an early shot due to your (as on record) income tax returns.

Just want you to know that ahead of time :D

mapuc

12-10-20, 03:46 PM

Catfish

12-10-20, 04:52 PM

@Mapuc yes it is literally(!) breathtaking. Not much reasonable people around, or maybe it is predominantly the unreasonable ones who are the loudest, in the "social" media.

@ Neal
You do realize that you will be tagged and registered [...] and that if president elect Biden gets into office you will be contacted by the IRS to make sure that you qualified for an early shot due to your (as on record) income tax returns.
Just want you to know that ahead of time :D
You forgot to add that Neal will be remote-controlled by the eeevil Bill Gates foundation :D

Buddahaid

12-10-20, 05:12 PM

I can't wait for my chip. I think I'll go have another fluoridated cocktail to celebrate my 5G flat earth sky dome radio reflecting lizard man existence.

mapuc

12-10-20, 05:42 PM

@Mapuc yes it is literally(!) breathtaking. Not much reasonable people around, or maybe it is predominantly the unreasonable ones who are the loudest, in the "social" media.

You forgot to add that Neal will be remote-controlled by the eeevil Bill Gates foundation :D

It's not Bill Gates, what you have been exposed to is projection The real person behind this has manage to get you to look at Bill gates.

The person is the same who is sending all these tiny satellite into orbits-It's not only for giving internet to people living in the wilderness, but to track us.
(Of course this is nothing but utterly bs, an imaginary idea that popped up in my head some month ago)

Markus

Onkel Neal

12-10-20, 05:43 PM

Attitude

Number of infected goes up every day, yesterday around 2600 was tested positive today it had gone up to 3100 something.

When the daily test result is published my friends keep on saying...Since we had to use these facemask the number of infected has gone almost straight up.

It's not only how the Danes treat they facemask before and after the use...but the attitude towards this corona and the restriction the Danish government has introduced.

I have meet on the web two types of people.

1. The ignorant- This person couldn't care about others, even if this person is tested positive, doesn't prevent this person to join some parties.

2. The conspirator - This person is rejecting the fact and the restriction the government has introduced.

Markus

As a friend of mine put it, trying to hit that sweet spot. That precise, razor thin, scientific sweet spot where you’re observing the rules more than those selfish, infection-spreading morons who observe them any less than you do, but not as much as those paranoid, silly idiots who observe them any more then you do. How I’ve managed to hit exactly that spot every single day for nearly a year, I don’t know. Especially as I’m the only one who has.

Jimbuna

12-11-20, 08:07 AM

AstraZeneca says it is recruiting people for trials combining its own vaccine with Oxford University with Russia's Sputnik V

The self-isolation period for travellers and contacts of those with Covid has been cut from 14 days to 10 in the UK

Medical experts in the US recommend emergency approval for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

An Australian candidate for a vaccine is abandoned after some trial participants return false HIV positive results.

Businesses reopen in Northern Ireland, and also in Glasgow and other parts of western Scotland as rules are eased.

EU leaders strike a deal over the bloc's budget and Covid recovery fund.

The Royal Shakespeare Company and arts organisations hit by the pandemic share £165m ($220m) in UK government loans.

The response to the pandemic has driven the biggest annual fall in CO2 emissions since WW2, say researchers.

There have been 69.5m cases and 1.58m deaths worldwide, figures from Johns Hopkins University show.

Jimbuna

12-11-20, 08:15 AM

Germany has this morning reported a record number of 29,875 daily coronavirus cases and 598 deaths - bringing the total to 20,970. The latest figures have added to pressure to bring in tighter measures fast. The head of Germany's medical association Klaus Reinhardt wants to shut down public life between Christmas and 10 January. The south-western state of Baden-Württemberg will later announce its plans for tougher measures for the start of next week, and Berlin Mayor Michael Müller believes a hard lockdown should start on 20 December.

Additional measures have come into force in Cyprus today until 31 December, shutting shopping centres and catering establishments and barring worshippers from church services.

Last night's EU deal to unblock a €750bn (£685bn) coronavirus stimulus fund across the 27-country bloc will be welcomed in Spain and Italy in particular. It still has to go before the European Parliament, but it'll mean €140bn in grants and loans for Spain alone.

Ukraine has reported its highest daily Covid-related death toll of 285, with 13,514 infections.

The deaths of four patients in a Swedish hospital's cardiac intensive care unit (ICU) could be linked to an ICU Halloween party, Expressen newspaper reports. Vaxjo Central Hospital Operations Manager Thomas Aronsson is quoted as saying he would have banned the party had he known about it. Eleven staff in the cardiac intensive care unit reportedly became ill afterwards.

Italian health officials say a 26% fall in case numbers in the past week confirms that the Covid curve is "freezing", despite a surge of 887 deaths reported yesterday. Covid commissioner Domenico Arcuri has appealed especially to young Italians to take care over Christmas and to act responsibly.

Catfish

12-11-20, 08:17 AM

[...] trying to hit that sweet spot. [...] How I’ve managed to hit exactly that spot every single day for nearly a year, I don’t know. Especially as I’m the only one who has.
And i thought the one was Skybird :O:

August

12-11-20, 12:15 PM

As a friend of mine put it, trying to hit that sweet spot.

George Carlin talked about just such a sweet spot.

Idiots and maniacs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWPCE2tTLZQ

Onkel Neal

12-11-20, 11:54 PM

George Carlin talked about just such a sweet spot.

Idiots and maniacs

I know! :up: That's one of my favorites, it's so good, it ranks up with some of the best fables. (http://www.taleswithmorals.com/aesop-fable-the-ant-and-the-grasshopper.htm)

Skybird

12-12-20, 07:29 AM

Georg Ortner from Austria wrote:

No boarding without vaccination: This was recently announced by the Australian “Quantas”, which in future will no longer allow passengers to board their planes, at least on long-haul flights, who are not vaccinated against Corona. The Aussie airline will certainly not be the only company to do this. It is foreseeable that many other doors will remain closed without evidence of vaccination.

Nadhim Zahawi, minister responsible for coronavirus in the UK government, said recently: "I think you will likely find that restaurants, bars, cinemas and other venues, sports venues are likely to use this system as well."

If you are vaccinated, you will receive proof of this directly on your mobile phone, which will become the open sesame of the Corona period. People who do not get vaccinated will then have only extremely limited opportunities to participate in normal life.

Whether and to what extent this is even permissible will still have to be resolved quite tough political, legal and ethical disputes. In contrast, the culture battle over the mask will have been a cultivated 5 o'clock tea chat. It will be very instructive to observe whether the minority of the excluded will so easily accept the dictates of the majority willing to vaccinate - or resist, possibly not only by peaceful means.

As if there weren't enough explosives available for an explosive year 2021, this situation is now being mixed up with a second development that is only marginally registered in Europe. At the last G20 summit, Chinese President Xi Jinping proposed a “global mechanism” to make travel easier in Covid times: “We have to further harmonize policies and standards and set up 'fast tracks' to facilitate the orderly movement of people . ”

That sounds harmless, but it isn't. Since the beginning of the year, China has been operating a fairly complete corona monitoring system, the basis of which is the citizens' omnipresent cell phones, which, via QR code and, in future, also depending on the vaccination status, have different degrees of freedom to travel, participate in social life and visit bars and museums , Cinemas, public transport and other areas. The system is as totalitarian as it is successful, measured by the corona numbers. And China obviously wants to roll it out worldwide in some form - a not really edifying idea even for contemporaries who do not suffer from paranoia.

It fits well into this picture that China recently orchestrated the world's largest free trade area, along with Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia and a few others. A market of over two billion people, dominated by Beijing. It seems at least conceivable that China will be able to implement “global standards” (Xi Jinping) of surveillance under the pretext of the pandemic according to its ideas. It's not reassuring.

https://www.ortneronline.at/zwangsimfungen-nein-aber/

Jimbuna

12-12-20, 07:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOkIkSGYCmw

Jimbuna

12-12-20, 07:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noaTw8a_5gQ

Jimbuna

12-12-20, 08:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3grsMELjZA8

Jimbuna

12-12-20, 01:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLWQtT7dHGE

Jimbuna

12-13-20, 12:11 PM

Germany is to go into a hard lockdown over the Christmas period as the number of deaths and infections from the coronavirus reaches record levels.

Non-essential shops will close across the country from Wednesday, as will schools, with children to be cared for at home wherever possible.

Chancellor Angela Merkel blamed Christmas shopping for a "considerable" rise in social contacts.

The latest figures showed 20,200 more infections and a further 321 deaths.

The new lockdown will run from 16 December to 10 January. Announcing the move after meeting leaders of the country's 16 states, Mrs Merkel said there was "an urgent need to take action".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55292614

That's hard luck on Germany, especially when you consider how well they coped at the beginning of the pandemic.

Onkel Neal

12-13-20, 01:07 PM

Vaccinations start tomorrow.

skidman

12-13-20, 02:13 PM

That's hard luck on Germany, especially when you consider how well they coped at the beginning of the pandemic.

The horrible figures are only partly bad luck or the consequence of factors that can't be controlled (colder weather, shorter days, more indoor activity). Three capital mistakes have been made since the first wave.

- The low numbers in summer and early autumn were interpreted as the final throes of the virus, though experts warned the second wave would hit us sooner or later. The time that could have been used to come up with a long-term strategy was wasted.

- In the beginning of the second wave everybody with a basic understanding of exponential growth told the persons in charge the adequate answer was an early hard lockdown. This was exactly what made us look good in the first wave: The early response. But quite the contrary was put into effect: a "lockdown lite" with hardy any positive effect. And even worse, it was extended for a two week period twice.

- 16 federal states, each with their own set of rules. Rules that were partially changed on a daily basis. If you start annoying people, they will start looking for bolt-holes. The virus loves bolt-holes. A response to a pandemic requires convincing people to act responsibly, not treat them like little kids.

Skybird

12-13-20, 03:46 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg&feature=youtu.be

Onkel Neal

12-13-20, 04:42 PM

What's the situation like in Sweden? Bloomberg paints a scary picture, nurses are quitting go get time off....anyone have a first-hand feel?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-12/swedish-covid-workers-are-quitting-leaving-icus-short-staffed

d@rk51d3

12-14-20, 03:23 AM

An Australian candidate for a vaccine is abandoned after some trial participants return false HIV positive results.
.

Reports here say that it was every participant.

Wonder whether they can refine their HIV test, instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Jimbuna

12-14-20, 06:53 AM

GP surgeries in more than 100 locations in England will receive their first deliveries of the Pfizer jab
Care home residents in Scotland will also start receiving the jab.

The US begins massive task of rolling out the vaccine, with first doses distributed to dozens of locations.

President Trump reverses a plan for White House officials to receive the vaccine in the coming days.

All schools in Greenwich, London, have been asked to move to online learning from Tuesday.

London mayor Sadiq Khan calls for more help if London moves to Tier 3 of restrictions this week.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock will make a statement to the House of Commons at 15:30

New Zealand agrees to a quarantine-free travel bubble with Australia “in principle”

Germany is to go into a hard lockdown over the Christmas period.

Eswatini Prime Minister dies with Covid-19 - believed to be the first world leader in office to do so.

Jimbuna

12-14-20, 06:56 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lA5_WxP5nQ

Jimbuna

12-14-20, 07:00 AM

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Skybird

12-14-20, 08:03 AM

People getting the jabs by Biontech/Pfizer or Moderna should expect more severe secondary symptoms for a while than usual with other vaccinations. Severe headaches, muscle pain and fever above 40°C are possible. Its said that this is a wanted immunization reaction , but not to the mRNA element, but the lipo-nano-particles in which the mRNA is packed.

I you get vaccinated, make sure you understand this so that you do not panic if these symptoms bite you.

Two articles, one English, one German (translated to English).

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/fever-aches-pfizer-moderna-jabs-aren-t-dangerous-may-be-intense-some

https://ptaforum.pharmazeutische-zeitung.de/ausgepraegte-impfreaktionen-moeglich-122472/seite/alle/
Pronounced vaccination reactions possible

Vaccination with the mRNA vaccines against Covid-19 from Biontech Pfizer and Moderna can sometimes cause very violent reactions, as some study participants are now reporting. Fatigue, fever, and muscle pain can be possible reactions. Doctors should educate vaccinees and make it clear that strong reactions are a sign of a desired immune response Reactions such as fatigue and fever can be very violent when vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines. But this is usually nothing to worry about.

Kristen R. Choi is a nurse and works in clinical research. She herself has often sought participants for studies via social media, she writes in a field report in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine. Therefore, the advertisement by Biontech and Pfizer for the recruitment of test subjects for their vaccination study initially only aroused their professional interest. In the end, however, she also registered, was selected and was given two injections at intervals of one month - at the time she did not know whether a placebo or verum.

The first injection caused no discomfort apart from slight pain in the arm. The second was completely different: “I quickly got pain at the injection site, much more than the first time. In the evening of that day I was dizzy, I was cold, I was sick and I had a very severe headache, «writes Choi. She went to bed early and fell asleep quickly, but woke up around midnight because she was feeling significantly worse. She could barely raise her arm because of the pain at the injection site and her temperature (37.4 ° C). After a restless sleep, she woke up again early in the morning and had a high fever (40.5 ° C). "That was the highest fever I can ever remember and it scared me," says Choi. After taking a paracetamol tablet, the temperature dropped during the day and by the next morning all symptoms were gone except for a sore, swollen area at the injection site.

Her strong reaction makes her very sure that she actually received the verum, although of course she could not know because of the blinding of the study, says Choi. She wanted to report on her experiences because she feared that the severe side effects could endanger the acceptance of the vaccination. Despite the intensive clarification by the study staff, she herself did not get the information that she had to expect vaccination reactions "on a personal level". In the meantime, she feared that she was suffering from Covid-19.

According to study data, 75 percent of subjects reported exhaustion, 67 percent headache, 25 percent muscle pain, 17 percent fever, and 17 percent joint pain after vaccination with BNT162b2. Even if it is seldom the case that a vaccinee develops all these symptoms at once, it is extremely important that doctors really make it clear to the vaccine candidates in advance that violent reactions are possible - and that these are then a sign of a desired immune reaction.

A very similar report by a test person who had received the vaccine mRNA-1273 from Moderna as part of the vaccination study was recently published in the journal Science on its news page. Very strong reactions to the second injection seem to be possible with both mRNA vaccines, but according to the "Science" article, the trigger is not the mRNA itself, but rather the lipid nanoparticles in which the mRNA is packaged. In this text, too, experts emphasize that people who have been vaccinated must be prepared for the reactions, otherwise acceptance would be lost. Even if the acute reactions are sometimes very violent, there is currently nothing to suggest that there could be negative long-term consequences.

mapuc

12-14-20, 03:36 PM

In some early post I wrote about attitude and mentioned ignorance as one of two types.
So far I had only meet a few on the web until today

In the news today I heard and read following.

An institut has asked 23.000 Danish citizens on corona in general and isolations.

Only 11 % of these 23.000 put them self in isolation if they had one or two Covid-19 symptoms

Only 53 % of these 23.000 put them self in isolation if they had two or more Covid-19 symptoms

Only 83 % of these 23.000 put them self in isolation when Covid-19 has been confirmed.

So the numbers of ignorance here in Denmark seems to be high. I wonder how it look in other European countries and USA.

Markus

em2nought

12-14-20, 06:02 PM

Vaccinations start tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V90AmXnguw :D

Skybird

12-15-20, 12:13 PM

New mutation variant identified in the UK, reported to the WHO. Whether it is a threat to the vaccination campaign, is not yet clear. Certain is that the mutation affects the spike protein of the virus that the vaccines are targetting. It is assumed that the new strain has somethign to do with the increased speed by which the virus spreads in parts of the UK, and worldwide.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55308211

Shift probabilities in your favour. Do not depend exclusively on vaccines. Boost your natural inbuild defences: take Vit D, C, A, Zinc, Selenium, Iodine. There are no certainties, just probabilities, some of which are more favourable than others.

Skybird

12-15-20, 12:44 PM

Novembre 2020:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11845-020-02427-9

A majority of the Irish adult population have insufficient vitamin D intake and a very significant proportion across all age groups have low serum vitamin D levels. This should be addressed as a matter of urgency. Without vitamin D supplementation, the blood levels associated with protection against severe viral respiratory infection due to SARS-CoV-2 will not be achieved. While food fortified with vitamin D is recommended as a first-line strategy to augment intakes, for the vast majority, vitamin D supplements will also be required. The evidence linking vitamin D deficiency with increased risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection and Covid-19 disease severity has evolved significantly since March 2020, and now strongly supports the need for intervention in this area. Given this evidence and the unambiguous safety profile of daily intakes at these levels, we recommend that adults in Ireland should be supplemented with oral vitamin D3 at 20–25 μg/day (800–1000 IU/day) for the duration of this pandemic. For those who are overweight or obese, or who have dark skin pigmentation or other risk factors for vitamin D deficiency, it is likely that supplementation at daily doses higher than this will be required to achieve the serum 25(OH)D levels needed for optimal immunity against Covid-19. In these groups and in older adults, amongst whom vitamin D deficiency and severe deficiency (i.e. 25(OH)D < 25/30 nmol/l) prevail, and for whom SARS-CoV-2 infection carries significantly greater clinical risk, prescription at these higher daily doses according to baseline serum 25(OH)D should proceed as required under medical supervision. This is especially important for older adults resident in nursing homes or other long-term care settings who are particularly vulnerable; here, sufficient vitamin D supplementation to achieve a minimum serum 25(OH)D level of 50 nmol/l should be expeditiously implemented as a priority element of standard care.
Anythign may be better than nothing, but their doses are too low and conventional. For Vitamine D, think in terms of 50-80 IUs per kilogram of body weight instead. The bigger oyu are, the higher. The fatter you are (ration of fat to non fat mass in your body is high), the more you need. If you BMI is not normal, but above normal, consider doses at the higher enmd of that range.

It is safe to exceed those values if you do not exaggerate it. Up to 20,000 IUs I would not even give it a mindful thought anymore. Whether it is needed to take this much if you have no health conditions demanding it, is something else. Most likely you will end up with pills of 5000 or 10000 IU, 1 per day. Consider a flooding phase with 20,000 per day, for 2-4 weeks.

Take Magnesium and K2 as well. 400-800 mg bio-active magnesium, and 200-400 ngr K2.

P.S. I have stopped countign how many examples I have stumbled over this summer of reading old studies and case descriptions where those evil, profit raising nutrition supplements where "proven" to be ineffective, and then you learn that they tested them with incompetent methodology, by giving therapeutically irrelevant low doses only, or giving simultaneously any other active agents that collide with them, or some doctor sent a report that only shows his own incompetence of correctly diagnosing things or simultaneously observations of two things get illegitimately interpreted as causality. There are some such single-doctor exmaples that make the round severla time sper years, since decades, regarding Vitmaine E and Vitmaine D, for exmaple. Its drivel, but it still is what gets published in the media again and again and again, and it gets quoted again and again and again, and so it must be true.... Its very discouraging to see such amounts of methodological incompetence on display, forming official, published paradigms. Such corruption seems to to haunt every academic branch, and intentional betrayal and data manipulation is nothing new in all sciences, too, but in the field of ecotrophology and nutrients it seems to be especially bad. Very low standards - and I once tought it were bad in psychology...

Bilge_Rat

12-15-20, 12:54 PM

anyone have actual scientific info on this (not hype) ?

1/ The @Moderna_TX vaccine data shows even higher rates of serious side effects than the @pfizer data. The second dose is the problem - almost 1 in 5 people under 65 had a grade 3 or 4 adverse event after receiving it, compared to 1 in 50 who received placebo...

grade 3 or 4 side effects are:

Someone asked about how adverse events in clinical trials are graded. Quick answer here. Grade 3 and 4 events are no joke: Grade 3 "are serious and interfere with a person's ability to do basic things like eat." Grade 4 usually require hospitalization.

20% potentially serious side effects is very high.

https://twitter.com/alexberenson

Alex Berenson is controversial, but most of his claims do check out.

Jimbuna

12-15-20, 01:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c38i4_4o1DI

Jimbuna

12-15-20, 01:12 PM

Ministers from across the UK discuss the five-day easing of rules at Christmas, amid pressure to scrap the plans.

Northern Ireland's first minister says there'll be an update on Thursday, following medical and scientific advice.

Two leading medical journals say the relaxation of restrictions are "rash" and will "cost many lives"

No 10 says the Christmas plans are under constant review - and people must remain "cautious and vigilant"

Greenwich council backs down over moves to close schools early due to Covid, after ministers threatened legal action.

Mass testing is to be extended to all English secondary schools and colleges in January.

The Moderna vaccine has been found to be safe and 95% effective by regulators in the US

The US death toll has risen above 300,000, as the country's vaccine programme gets under way.

Jimbuna

12-15-20, 01:15 PM

The Dutch go into their strictest lockdown yet with non-essential shops, theatres, gyms and hairdressers shutting today until 19 January and schools closing tomorrow. Prime Minister Mark Rutte said the 9,000 daily infections were like filling the Feyenoord football stadium in under six days.

France’s lockdown has ended but strict restrictions are still in place – there’s a curfew from 20:00 to 06:00 which will be lifted for Christmas. Theatres and cinemas stay shut.

The German government is pushing for Europe’s EMA medicines regulator to green-light the Pfizer-BioNtech vaccine by 23 December, tabloid Bild reports. The DKG hospital association also wants it brought forward from the current 29 December deadline.

Italy’s daily death toll is still close to 500, so the government and its scientific advisers are considering a further tightening of measures over Christmas. A type of lockdown could come into place between Christmas night and New Year which PM Giuseppe Conte describes as a “new squeeze”.

Spain has seen a rebound in infections and top health official Fernando Simón has warned of a “delicate” situation ahead of Christmas.

The lord mayor of Copenhagen has spoken of a frightening increase in infection rates – with 786 infections per 100,000 people. That’s a fourfold rise in the past four weeks.

An outbreak at a Belgian care home is being blamed on a visit by a “superspreader” St Nicholas – 75 cases including staff and residents in Mol in Antwerp were reported after the man fell ill.

Jimbuna

12-15-20, 01:17 PM

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Skybird

12-15-20, 05:31 PM

Over the past days there were repeated and now mounting reports over more and more regions in Germany where triage is being used in hospitals. The state propaganda so far hides it.

And the shortage in nurses and doctors is threatening. Its an old problem that politicians since many years completely ignore - and in summer still ignored. Germany stumbled extremely ill-prepared into this winter'S second wave, and it did so needlessly, carelessly and driven by utmost dilletantism of its leaders.

Since today, not due to the lockdown from tomorrow on but due to simple days counting until the 24th, I am in self-imposed voluntary quarantine/isolation, to make sure that I cannot fetch up an atypical infection until I meet my parents on christmas. They live for the traditional raclette we do every christmas, its our family tradition since over twenty years, calling it off would deliver them a major moral blow. Need no supermarkt shopping, and started to even bake bread myself again. Will leave the house only at night, to drive on bicycle for a while and get some body excercising that way (night rides are fun, btw.). I could live with the risk of getting the desease myself, but I would not forgive it myself if I infect my parents, and one or both die from it.

Jimbuna

12-16-20, 11:43 AM

A "shorter Christmas is a safer Christmas" says PM Boris Johnson and while the UK will win the battle against coronavirus we must "hold our nerve" and exercise "extreme caution"

The rules allow three households to form a bubble from 23 to 27 December but this is a "maximum not a target" says PM. The public should "think hard and in detail about the days ahead"

"Keep it small, keep it short, keep it local - and think of the most vulnerable people," England's Chief Medical Officer Prof Whitty says.

PM advises against travelling from "high prevalence" areas to those with lower rates of coronavirus and not to stay away from home overnight if possible.

But the Welsh government says it is changing its regulations so that people will now only be able to meet two households over the festive period by law.

The World Health Organization is urging people to wear masks at Christmas family gatherings, especially when indoors.

Minister Nadhim Zahawi hails "a really good start" to the UK's vaccination programme and says nearly 140,000 people have had the jab.

There have been 73 million Covid-19 cases and 1.6 million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

12-16-20, 11:57 AM

Covid: How are European countries tackling the pandemic?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53640249

Rockstar

12-16-20, 12:00 PM

meh, I'm heading down to Florida again. I'll knock out about 8 hours of driving stopping at Francis Marian National Forest for two nights. I'll spend a day there just chillin' maybe take in a hike and throw rocks at some alligators.

Then leave early in the morning and finish up the last 8 hours with a stop at The Osceola National Forest spend another two nights and finally meet with the family for christmas in Canaveral.

The christmas goat will not be bringing any presents though, he's very much a bah humbug kinda goat.

Everyone stay safe, do whats best for you, take your vitamins, wear your mask ,wash hands frequently and try to have a good time. Go someplace you've never been before away from other people and the internet. Go climb a tree or just look up the night sky, its beautiful.

mapuc

12-16-20, 04:13 PM

Once again I got a non-voluntary vacation until further notice.

From this day part of Denmark is partly shutting down.
From dec. 25 Denmark close totally and until Jan. 3 or later if needed.
Even grocery and drugstore close.

Edit
Sorry I must have heard wrong-grocery store and drugstore shall not close.
End edit

Markus

Skybird

12-17-20, 04:26 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crVQvZ5fk-A

What to say. He is right.

He just wears the wrong kind of mask in the above picture (exhale valves).

Bilge_Rat

12-17-20, 11:11 AM

What to say. He is right.

He just wears the wrong kind of mask in the above picture (exhale valves).

well he is an easy target, but he is the boss and essentially paying for all this out of his own pocket. He has had to negotiate special deals with the UK, Norway, Italy, etc. to be able to film there. He can't afford to have production shut down for 14 days because someone does not want to follow the rules.

Jimbuna

12-17-20, 11:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crVQvZ5fk-A

What to say. He is right.

Didn't he just :o

Jimbuna

12-17-20, 11:55 AM

Health Secretary Matt Hancock announces results of review into England's tier rules.

A number of areas move into tier three: all of Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Berkshire, Peterborough, Portsmouth, Gosport, Havant, Hastings and Rother, and Surrey, except Waverley.

Just two areas move down a tier: Bristol and North Somerset into tier two, while Herefordshire moves to tier one.

The new rules kick in at 00:01 on Saturday 19 December.

New data shows English hospital beds are 89% full - above target but emptier than last year.

Secondary school pupils in England and Wales will have a staggered return post-Christmas.

UK Chancellor Rishi Sunak extends UK furlough scheme by one month, to the end of April.

French President Emmanuel Macron tests positive for Covid-19 and will isolate for seven days.

The EU announces its vaccination programme will begin on 27 December
A study of vitamin D suggests there is not enough evidence to say it protects people against Covid-19

Worldwide, there have been 74 million Covid-19 cases and 1.6 million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

12-17-20, 12:12 PM

A further 35,383 coronavirus cases have been recorded in the UK.
If that figure seems higher than in recent days, it's because the figure includes some 11,000 cases from Wales over the past week that were missed due to a technical problem.
Another 532 deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test were also reported on Thursday.

Over 3,600 Americans died from coronavirus complications on Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.
The single-day death toll again broke a global record, even as vaccinations begin around the country.
Nearly 250,000 new infections were reported across the US on Wednesday.

Portugal's Prime Minister António Costa is the latest European leader to go into isolation after French President Emmanuel Macron tested positive for Covid-19.
Costa, who held a meeting with Macron on Wednesday, has shown no symptoms but has taken a coronavirus test, his office said. He is "in preventive prophylactic isolation" until health officials can determine "his level of risk".
Other senior figures isolating and getting tests after coming into contact with President Macron so far include:

Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez
French Prime Minister Jean Castex
European Council President Charles Michel
Irish Prime Minister or Taoiseach Micheál Martin
Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo
French parliament speaker Richard Ferrand

Spain's Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has tested negative for Covid-19, the Spanish government says.

King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden has given a blunt TV message telling Swedes the country has failed to save lives during the pandemic. ”We have a large number who have died and that is terrible”. Sweden did not initially go into lockdown and has seen 7,802 deaths in a population of 10 million.

Spain says infections have climbed above 200 per 100,000 people because of recent public holidays and health officials are worried that Christmas will make things worse.

German health officials are planning for a vaccination campaign to start on 27 December, beginning in nursing homes. Europe’s EMA medicines agency will meet on Monday to decide whether to approve the Pfizer-Biontech vaccine. The EU aims to have vaccinations starting on the same day across all 27 member states but has not yet named the day.

A French opinion poll for news channel BFMTV suggests strong opposition to being vaccinated against Covid-19 – 49% of those surveyed saying they would not have it. Prime Minister Jean Castex has promised to explain and reassure French people in the face of “fear, doubt and suspicion”.

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen has called on Danes to have a very different New Year’s Eve than usual. She’s worried big parties will increase the spread of coronavirus. As of today all department stores will have to close and from Christmas Day to 3 January Denmark will effectively be under lockdown.

New Covid rules have come into force in Austria with overnight curfews from 20:00 to 06:00 apart from over the holiday period. During the day up to two households can meet up and masks are required in enclosed public spaces including most workplaces.

Santa Claus has resigned in the French town of Blois because of repeated insults from passers-by. Locals apparently got angry that for hygiene reasons he couldn’t take the children in his arms or give them treats.